Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 135: Barlow Can You Go, with Sarah Alami

Episode Date: August 21, 2025

Matt and Daniel welcome actor Sarah Alami (Guardians of the Galaxy) to cover Gal Gadot’s Snow White post-mortem, Eve Barlow’s ongoing celebration of her own victimhood, and advice on securing a chopped cheese in Woodside, Queens without triggering a self-induced panic pity party.Please donate to Doctors Without Borders: https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/Join the patreon at https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraBad Hasbara Merch Store: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastFind Sarah online at https://www.instagram.com/salamisarahFollow Real Time Palestine at https://www.instagram.com/realtimepalestineSee Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb August 28 in Houston, TX: https://bit.ly/mattfranhtxGet tickets for Francesca Fiorentini, Matt Lieb and friends with Daniel Maté October 13 in Brooklyn: https://bit.ly/mattfranbellhouseProps to Matt Ketai, whose Gal Gadot impression has burrowed deep into all of our brains: https://www.instagram.com/mattketaiSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://spoti.fi/4kjO9tLSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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All of garden us White cost for us Zabrahamas Asvaras us everybody and welcome to Bad Hasbara. World's Most Moral Podcast it is. My name is Matt Leib. I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast.

I'm Daniel Mate, and when 135 episodes you reach looked as good, you will not. Yes. Oh, man. Yeah, I was wondering what the point of the Yoda was. None at all. No, but it worked. It worked. It worked is the point. I am so excited for all of you to be here for another wonderful episode of the World's Most Moral podcast. Thank you to all of those who have liked and subscribed, not just to us on the, you know, podcast apps, but also on the YouTube. I got to say, subscriptions on YouTube, they've flattened, all right? We have reached some sort of of plateau is this have we reached every single person we could possibly reach look

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I moved to New York to live in Brooklyn. It's not quite true. I bet you there's a Brooklyn, Iowa. Yeah, I think there's a Brooklyn, Montana. Oh, yeah? I was driving past it once, yeah. No, what I meant was like, I bet Des Moines has some, like, good record stores. Oh, I see.

Just saying, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's good record stores everywhere. I can confirm. I could live in Paris, Texas. It's like, yeah, that's not what I... They don't have the tower, you know? London, Ontario. I was going to say the leaning tower of Pisa, but that can't be right.

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please put your money to actual good use by going to Doctors Without Borders.org and donating now. Hell yeah. All right. Daniel, what's the spin? Well, today the spin has a theme, and I will let my boy, my fellow Canadian, Rick Moranus, take it away. Turning Japanese. Turning Japanese. I really think so. That was going to get wild there. that was oh this is

listen it's old SCTV it was late 70s early 80s yeah yeah and it's a cover of the vapors post-punk hit I'm turning Japanese which is very offensive silly song but I've been really getting into

but this segment is not welcome to the last episode a badass barra I've been really getting into some Japanese records recently so and I don't know how many of these will be on Spotify, so the What's to Spend playlist, we'll have some of these, maybe not all of them.

This is, what is this? Masterpieces of Koto, Koto being a stringed instrument from Japan, played by Michio Miyagi, Mr. Miyagi. Oh, look at that. Mityo Miyagi, good name. Koto music. I've got the soundtrack to the film Spirited Away. Oh, yes.

That beautiful animated film by what's his name, Miyazaki? Yeah, Hiro Miyazaki, I fucking, I don't remember, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure Adam knows. It's terrific. Because he's got the anime body pillow that he keeps having us over to have tea with. Yeah. And then a couple of records by a guy I've recently just gotten into, but this guy is super fucking cool. First of all, just look at him. That is a cool looking.

guy. Yeah, this is the album Hosono House by Haruomi Hosono, who is like an ambient electronic music pioneer who has just some really cool shit. But this album is like his first from 1973, which kind of sounds like early solo McCartney, like just kind of cool playing with friends and experimenting with styles. And then there's another one from 1989 called Omni Sightseeing, which is like techno, ambient, super fucking cool stuff. I just blew my mind when I heard it. And a couple more. This is a compilation called

Nepon Psychedelic Soul from 1970 to 1979. Really cool compilation of just I love hearing other countries do American music. Yeah, sure. That's like one of my favorite things because they often improve on it.

And then finally, I found this quite funny. There's a group called The Players and the album is called Wonderful Guys. That's a great. name. And they really are. And it's jazz fusion stuff from like 1980. Okay. So the cover is very weezer coated. So I thought yeah. Well weezer is very this coded. This came out a lot longer before it but but it's like you know it kind of sounds like muzac but it's more it's better and cooler and faster and funkier. Uh yeah really good smooth uh Japanese jazz fusion. So that's the

spin today. That is what is spinning. You can hear some of those in the Spotify playlist, if you are keeping up, keeping track of that playlist. It is ever expanding and it's very good. Almost up to 200 hours. That's crazy. All right, we're going to introduce today's guests. First, I want to play a little bit from her social media. We're very excited to have this guest. This is one of those linkups that was made by Zuckerberg. I've been following Sarah's account for a while on Instagram, and she's been making, you know, a lot of great content was, you know, early, early on talking about this, demanding a ceasefire, and she is an actress. So it is one of those things where a lot of people in the industry were not risking their careers to, you know, just stay silent. And she was never one of those.

So here is a little bit from her Instagram in which she is doing what we do and tackling some Hasbara. Canadian Minister of Miseducation had done this video on what Palestine was like before Israel was created 75 years ago. That it was this crappy piece of land with just a few hundred thousand people on it.

They don't understand that it was a crappy piece of land with nothing on it. You know, there were several hundred thousand people. But other than that, it didn't produce an economy it didn't have it couldn't grow things it didn't have anything on it but it was far from that let's take gaza for instance it was not what it is today this poor isolated place cut off from the world controlled under siege by israel this was the land of the philistines enriched in history it had once lived through alexander the great's raids one of

the most beautiful cities which makes it a very sought after land it had thermobats roads lined with columns, temples, churches, mosques, theaters, places of entertainment, comedy and satire were staged there and mimes would perform there. And in Jerusalem, you have people like my family, the El Alami family, who owned tons of real estate and businesses in the holy city, going to university, learning English. My father specifically was just a kid playing outside when in 1948 they started hearing the gunfire and and people were coming to kick them out and if they didn't leave they would be killed all right ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the podcast uh wonderful actor sarah alami hi hi sarah sarah thank you so much for having me and introducing that

clip. I forgot about that I did that clip, so it's cool to see. That was Sylvia Robinson, who at the time was the minister of post-secondary education in my home province of British Columbia. She wasn't a federal minister. And it, you know, I think she left her job after that. She got roundly, you know, just pilloried for that. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I'd leave too. It's kind of embarrassing, right? Like, oops. Yeah. I mean, it is, what's wonderful about the fact that she left is that feels like something

that wouldn't happen in the United States. Like, we still, to this day, have elected officials saying the exact same shit, which is like, you know, yeah, it was, it was an empty land. What are they going to do? Not live on an empty land? And, which is, it's so funny with her saying it because she's, you know, she's, you know, she benches, and you mentioned and make a joke of this where she's like, there was nothing there. Yeah, there was like a couple hundred thousand people.

But there was nothing there except for human beings. Yeah. Also, one thing I thought of when I was just listening to that clip again, it's like we're talking about 1948, right? Yeah. Look at everywhere in 1948, you know? Maybe if you had let us prosper a bit after 1948, imagine where we could have been. been today. It's like people talk about, you know, 1948. What if, you know, even America, what if, you know, this place had been stuck in 1948? And that's what's happened to Palestinians.

That's what is, you know, what's happening to Gaza as well. Yeah. How are they supposed to prosper and build and, you know, maintain this modern society when everything is controlled? Everything's been taken away from them. So it's so interesting when people talk about that, you know, They didn't have anything because, you know, you look at any other place in 1948. Yeah, they didn't have much either, you know? Right. And not only that, but it's also like, first of all, as you rightfully point out, it's like a lie that there was nothing there.

That is complete bullshit. And also it completely erases the, you know, thousands of year history of Gaza and the people within it and the culture within it. And it's just one of those, like, stories that we all kind of, like, tell ourselves in order to make us feel better. We do the same thing in the United States when it comes to, you know, the settling of wherever we currently live. We're just like, no, there was, like, basically no one there. Although if you go back to the early writings, although if you go back to the first writings of the pilgrims who like encountered, say, Cape Cod or, you know, the eastern seaboard, there's like, they thought they'd reached the Garden of Eden. Like, they sent letters back to Europe being like, there is plentiful corn and beans. And it is a very, like these people were coming from a fucking place that had nothing.

You think these people left Europe because it was so plentiful? Yeah. They were starving and oppressed and out of room. Like the whole thing had been colonized. And they got to North America and they thought that they'd reached Valhalla, you know? Yeah, which is a marked difference between the Israeli settlers who, or at least, I think the Israeli settlers also knew what was there. They just claimed that they were the ones who did it.

Right. You know, like Jaffa's Orange Groves being like, oh, this is a Jewish invention, as if oranges were not being grown already, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it is crazy. I had this, it's so crazy because even when you are logical enough and you have all of this information of your own family history, like my family history is deeply embedded in Palestine. Like I have a, it's crazy because I, I'm going to get to that story in a second.

But when you keep like hearing a story over and over again, you almost question your own self, right? Sure. I'm like, am I really a Palestinian? And I did my DNA test. And it's just like, it points straight there. Like, it says Levant. It says central highlands of Palestine. Of course, there's like a little bit of Egyptian as well.

But it was so beautiful to see like all of this area highlighted in my DNA. And I'm like, man, like, anyway, I'm like, okay, Sarah, you're not crazy. You are from this place. Like, okay, good. But with my history, like, our ancestors. And it's well documented. We literally have like this paperwork. And a lot of it is documented because of what my ancestor did.

And what is now, it's hard for me to even say, but it's considered it's something like in old Jerusalem, there's something called like the Walk of Trusts. It's basically Islamic trusts that regardless, even with the occupation, this is like protected. So what happened was, it was the 12th. century, my ancestor actually helped fight the crusaders. And because of, and it's well documented. And because of this, like my family was actually awarded much land in Jerusalem. Like, when you go to the old city, and I'm kind of careful a little bit just because I am so outspoken. And some of my family members, they have gone through like really horrific things. And they've kind of asked me to

keep them protected. So I try to protect their identities as much as possible. But our family, they really do own a lot of land, much of land in Jerusalem, especially. And it's so cool when I would go there when I was younger, like we would walk the streets. Everyone knows who my family is. My dad would introduce me to everyone. And he's like, you know, our uncles are here and da-da-da-da. We own this. And he's like, we own this.

But right now it's currently being occupied so we don't have access to it. And it's crazy because my family is like, at this point, there's. so they don't have a lot of money, really struggling, really struggling to survive, which is crazy because given where the land is at, like, we would be like really, really wealthy people, you know, but we're not at all. But it is really beautiful to have that history behind us and just to know how important it was and what my ancestor did. And this is all the way in the 12th century. So it's not like I'm just, you know, like my, like people move there or whatever. Like, it's within me. what you're saying. And I love the, I love, I love that, because we think of it as, oh, the Palestinians

used to own the land, and, but actually, indigenous people will say, this is our unseeded territory, and the Palestinians most certainly never ceded it. Like, the ownership doesn't change just because it was stolen or occupied. And, and that must be part of what keeps the struggle alive, the hope alive is not a sense of, oh, we're going to, we're going to displace the current owners. No, we're going to return to what we own. Actually, I don't know why. This just gave me chills because I just spent an incredible weekend with my family. We were, we all went down to Houston. Out of all places you could pick to go to a family vacation, but we went to Houston. A lot of Palestinians in Houston. It is a big Palestinian community. That's where, that's where Mo was

filmed. Oh, I didn't tell you that. The whole show Moe is set in Houston and the Palestinianness of that. Oh, yeah, he gets a job at an olive, like an olive grove owned by a white redneck, but his, but the white neck, but the white neck is totally friendly to his family and they grow their, their, his mother's traditional olive oil on that farm outside of Houston. This is so, that's so funny because that makes so much sense now because I'm not kidding you. And I'm going to post my trip later, but like, there were so many places I went. There's like these little pockets. So the reasons we did go out there is because my cousin had a baby, so we would to visit him. And so there were like some Palestinians here and there.

But a lot of times, like I was walking and I'm like, holy shit, what is this? And it was mega burger. And it was this whole thing, J.D. Vance and Elon Musk and Trump are like this. And the whole restaurant is mega burger. That's what it's called. And Trump signs. And everyone's just like, they have Trump shirts on. It was the craziest thing. And I'm just like, And then right next door, I was going to get a psychic reading because it was like $20 for a psychic reading. So I'm like, yes, I'm going to go in there. I'm not kidding. I have pictures of it.

I go to the door and it's like the Israeli flag is everywhere around the psychic reading that was $20. And I'm like, damn, it was like this thing within myself because I really want a reading. Like I really want to know my future. And for some reason, I'm just like, because my mom, you know, unfortunately just passed. And I'm like, I want answers. I don't care if someone's like. I just want answers. And I'm like, am I going to give $20 to this woman?

But I didn't know what was going to happen. Like, was she going to take my purse, you know, when I was there? I don't know what was going to happen. I'm like, I'm going to get out of it. As a Palestinian going to an Israeli psychic, it feels like the setup to a joke. That would be a great Instagram sketch. Yeah, what is an Israeli psychic going to tell you? I'm like, all right, I'm looking through the crystal ball.

You're never going to get the land back. Like, that's all they're going to say. I see endless disappointment in your future. Yeah, yeah. I see sort of ethnic cleansing continuing on this. And I'm like, tell me more. Thank you so much. How much will that be?

Everything you own. Everything. I will take everything. She leaves with the keys to my car. Oh, that's great. But, yeah, that was my trip to Houston. But what were we saying before that? I forgot why we were talking about the Houston thing.

Oh, go ahead. I forget why. If you remember it, you go ahead. I don't even remember. Yeah, it doesn't matter. That's all right. It's going to hit me when we remember this. You know, when we watched the recording.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's what we were talking about. Yeah, it'll hit you while I'm segueing to the next thing. But I do want to ask you more about yourself. So you are, you're an actor and you, I was looking, you know, I've been following you for a while on Instagram and you were in Guardians of the Galaxy, which is really fucking cool. That is rad. And, you know, I think as an actor, you know, one of the things that I've seen repeated for the last, you know, almost two years now is people who have a stake in the entertainment. industry or in any way trying to make it. You've seen a lot of like really shameful silence

from them in which they are, you know, and I speak to a lot of people privately about this. A lot of people want to talk to me about it because they know that I'm someone who speaks about this out loud. A lot of them kind of say like, oh, you know, I just, you know, I just, I hate Israel and I hate what they're doing. It's so evil, but, you know, I just don't want to like, you know, my manager told me to, like, stop, like, posting stuff on that. What, what, what is your experience been with all of this? That is so crazy. That is so crazy because it is the exact same thing.

It is, and it's weird because there is a part of me that is still protecting the people who've done this to me. Yeah. And I don't know what it is. And I'm not. Same. I don't know what it is either. There's people who I still have not called out. Right.

Yes. It's crazy. I don't know what it is. You know, it's me as a person because I do think that this will haunt those people. I think that right now, for some reason, people are scared to speak on what's happening. But I think that that's something that they're going to regret later because I think that in, When everything comes out, like we can see it because we've kind of been like, we've been kind of well versed in this.

I mean, Daniel, I know that you, I mean, grew up, you know, learning about this, Matt. I don't know you're necessary, like your entire background, but like when you, when you grow up, like, really understanding the stuff, you can see the bigger picture. I think sometimes with these people, it's almost like this systemic, like almost hardwired into the brain, you know, that. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of hard to break that.

cycle. But once you see everything for what it is, like we, we see through all the bullshit. They don't see through all the bullshit yet. We can read right through it. October 7th happened and we knew exactly what was going. We could call it at that moment. This is going to be a genocide. They've been waiting for something like this to use this against this to completely take over the rest of the land. So anyway, like, I don't know. It's hard to, I don't know why. I feel like I never want to set out to to damage anybody else's life i right almost have like grace sometimes uh i don't know i just it's not in me to to control other people or make uh like they're doing it to themselves you know but yes i do feel and i've talked to other people like this is definitely a real thing that's

happening i have lost a lot i've lost a lot um but it doesn't matter like i mean friends like lost friends lost work, stuff like that. I've lost work. I've lost friends. I've lost reps. The same things have happened to me where you cannot post this. Like, you need to stop what you're doing right now. You cannot keep posting about this.

Hey, Sarah, casting's looking at what you're posting. You know, you're not getting these jobs. There's a lot of things happening. I have a lot of things happening to other friends. You know, I'm also a part of artist for ceasefire and entertainment labor for Palestine with other SAG members and union members, across the board who are working to like create change and we hold this like safe space within our circle to talk about what's happening still in that safe space I won't say names I won't

it's not my job too and and if I were looking for clout if I was looking for this uh oh Russian followers and all that bullshit then yeah I'd be like oh my god this person did this to me this person no what what does it do for me you know but I can say like in my own experience that bad things are happening and it's wild to me because it's like you're literally talking about a foreign government what the fuck does that have to do with with our careers it's so crazy we're seeing like people really burning alive the worst thing i've ever seen in my lifetime in modern times that we can see and you're still not able to talk about it because you might lose your job like what the fuck is that about you know yeah it's wild to me yeah it's well i guess

What I'm hearing you saying is you will not be joining us in our Chris Pratt roast of the segment of the podcast. I'm just making that up. I'm just naming someone you've worked with. I actually, you know, I will say, and I have no idea where his stance is because I've worked with him for months on end and he was a great person. Like in real life, he was a great person. He was really kind on set.

Nothing like weird about him or anything like that. But I don't know what his stance is. You know, some people, sorry, go ahead. Well, no, I mean, I want to hear what you were going to say, but that was, you know, that's been kind of the thing. I don't know where X, Y, Z comedian stands or X, Y, Z actor stands, you know, we don't know where these celebrities stand, which is something that I think at this point is more telling than it was maybe, you know, a year ago. Right, because we know where Miss Rachel stands. Right, exactly.

Don't kill children. Don't kill children. That's what she stands. And I'm not going to work with you if you are supporting it. Yeah. 1,000 percent. You know who surprised me. This is what I was going to say.

And this really surprised me just because like these people have been advocates before for supposed human rights. But then you have like, pink shocked me. Pink shocked me because I'm just sitting there looking through her stories one day. And she, she reposts some. bullshit. Like, what was it? It was, it was Jonah Platt? Oh, yeah, maybe. Was it Jonah, Jonah Platt? Like, he, he's the one like big Zionist, uh, sparing like tons of propaganda. Is that, is that? Yeah. His dad, Mark Platt is the one who flew out across the country to pressure Rachel Ziegler to

speak out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to be talking about soon, uh, sort of. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because I wasn't even that familiar with him, to be honest, but he, he, he went on this, like, he did this thing. It was just so much propaganda. It was like, really, lies after lies. It was so ridiculous. And pink was just like, so like she did like the clap clapping emoji. This right here.

And she reposted Deborah Messing's post. And it was him saying all of these things. And I was like, I gave people a tiny window of not of like thinking they were smart or whatever, but of like, okay, like after October 7th, I stand with Israel, whatever. You ignorant people, you don't know anything. Something horrible happened in a place. You know, our government, you know, the Democrats are empowered. They're against it.

So you're going to be against it, fine. But after a certain point, like doing something like that, like reposting Deborah messing of all people, the people that have really disgusted me and I will name names are people, no, because it's kind of, it's not super personal for me, but it's more personal. You know, I co-wrote a book with my dad about trauma, illness, and healing in a toxic culture, you know, the myth of normal. And Jimmy Lee Curtis blurbed it. And Mayambialic had my dad on her podcast and just showered him with all kinds of adulation.

And there's a woman named Dahlia Kurtz in Montreal, not as big of a name, but she had a podcast about healing and personal development. I was on that podcast promoting the book, as was my dad separately. And I mean, she is a complete loony. I mean, she went after Eve Engler got him arrested. She's now suing all kinds of people. What year was this, though, that you did all that? 2020. So, yeah, we released the book three years ago, September 22. And that fall into the winter and spring, both my dad and I were doing quite a lot of promotion for it. And yeah, people like Mayam Bialik, whose grandfather, or great-grandfather, was Chaim Nakhman Bialik, a great poet who wrote a poem called Come to the City of Slaughter,

basically describing what Gaza is now. And meanwhile, Mayam Bialik is writing a children's book called, like, I don't know, under the Rockets glare or something about how hard it is to be an Israeli child. I thought that would be for Gaza. I was like, wow, she really did? You would think, you would think. But it's these people in the, like, personal development space who were so attuned to the impact of trauma and who are, who find, you know, say, my dad's work on which I collaborated once attractive and important and, and compelling and worth promoting. And then you go and actively support this shit.

Yeah, it's crazy. I can't stomach it. Here's what something recent that Dahlia Kurtz recently put out a tweet that said, I just asked my Amazon Alexa device of October 7 was justified. Echo, as you'll hear me call it, said yes and explained. This is propaganda at the fingertips of people and impressionable children worldwide. Care to explain Amazon? I'm sorry.

I got to buy an echo now. That was a great advertisement, right? For, what's your echo? Yeah, now we kind of want to get an echo. Based Alexa. And just kind of vibe with it. Number five is alive. Next time you do your podcast, it's going to feature.

Just ask questions to the echo. Yeah. She also wrote a book. She also wrote a book called Dear Zionist, which is like, I don't know, 36 pithy little, like, motivational chapters for, like, Zionists going through a hard time right now. Yeah. Oh, wow. Fun.

Yeah. Are you there, Zionist? It's me, Margaret. Yeah. I'm planning on writing. Like on Twitter, I've been like, well, you take my podcast off the air, please. And I'm going to email it as well. I don't want my name next to hers.

I'm sure she doesn't want her name next to mine, except she can, you know, profit off the association with my dad. Well, the interesting thing. Yeah. The interesting thing about all these, like, particular, you know, people that you've named and that we've dealt with is that they all have this very inverted sense of reality. And this is, I think, what drives a lot of us crazy, especially, you know, in the industry, in the entertainment industry, this idea that you, if you come out as pro-Palestine,

you will get, you know, consequences has been borne out. It is so obvious that to dispute it would be ridiculous on its face. What's worse is to not only dispute it, but claim the opposite is true. And that is my segue into this recent interview that Gal Gadot did with Israeli TV talking about how the pressure to speak out against Israel during the, I guess, Snow White Press tour or something. led to the movie flopping and we have some video of that and certainly of course

that's why it flopped that is why and here it is were you angry I have to say first off I really enjoyed filming this movie really enjoyed it

especially when it wasn't with Rachel Zagler I even enjoyed working with Rachel Zegler. We love... Hold on. I like how the Israeli host and she's like sitting in this room of... I think there's like women around them

or maybe it's... Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like this like circle, like the sort of Israeli like... A panel almost. A panel. It's a safe, definitely a safe space. Yeah. And the host is like,

you especially enjoyed the scenes without Rachel Zegler, right? Yeah, exactly. Without set anti-Semite. And she's like, no, no, even with Hitler, I enjoyed it. Even with Ziegler, right here. Zegler, we laughed, talked, and had fun. I was sure this movie was going to be a huge hit.

I don't know why you would think that the live-action remake of Snow White would be a huge hit. At this point, none of the Disney live-action remakes have been huge hits. Maybe the Lion King did okay, but none of them are, like, critically acclaim. I mean, there's the Aladdin one. Especially a film featuring you as the villainous. Yeah, I mean, come on. Calell, I need you to give me the stone. No.

It's my acting teacher. I need to learn how to be as expressive as it. And enough blood to feel the Nile. I couldn't even watch it, to be honest. No, I would. I wouldn't watch it. I wouldn't watch it. No, I won't watch anything with her.

Right. But even if she wasn't in it, I don't, I like, I have a two and a half year old. If I want to show her Snow White, I'm going to show her, you know, the cartoon. The OG, yes. Why would I, why would I do that? Yeah. And then it happened. The release in October.

And what followed, followed, and, you know, this happens a lot in various industries, including Hollywood. There's pressure on celebrities to speak against Israel. And, you know, it happened. And despite, oh, you know, I can always explain and try to give. context about what's happening here. And I always do that. But in the end, people make their own decisions.

And I was disappointed. The movie was so affected by it. And it didn't succeed at the box office. But that's how it goes. I mean... Sarah, I need to ask you. Yeah. When did you decide?

because you have been very vocal against Israel, when did the pressure to be anti-Israel in Hollywood finally get to you? Like, when did you sell out and cave in and finally decide to go against your convictions and do the easy thing and speak up for Palestine in Hollywood? Yeah, well, it's so easy, you know,

because I was like, I was being told, hey, listen, if you speak, if you speak up for Palestine, you're going to get leading roles. Everyone's going to love you. You know, so it was like this. It was almost like, I was paid off. I was paid off. To be honest with you, I was paid off.

Yeah, of course. It's so ridiculous. What a fucking dystopian nightmare. This is cognitive dissonance at its truest form. This disconnect. Are you fucking kidding me? Who has been rewarded forever speaking against, against Israel or up for Palestine? Has anyone ever been rewarded because this has happened.

Vanessa Redgrave, Mark Ruffalo years ago in 2014, Susan Sarandon. I mean, we're talking pre-2020. We're talking pre-October 7th. These people who have been vocal have been shitted on against, and everyone fucking knows it. Everyone knows it. I have friends who have been supportive secretly, who have said, Sarah, I support you. And I'm sure this has happened to you. I just can't speak.

I can't lose my roles. I can't lose money. I'm afraid. I've heard I'm afraid so many times. So this is absolutely ridiculous. It's a complete lie. It's so stupid. When you guys think we're dumb?

Like really, do you think we're dumb? Really? Do you think we're dumb? They do. They 100% do. And I think more to the point they think that everyone will take the word of a celebrity who, it doesn't matter if they are literally an ex-soldier of the country they are supporting, you know, quite possibly the most likely candidate to be doing lies for said country, they just think,

well, if Gal is saying it, then everyone will just believe it. And it's just, it's, it's crazy to, to watch, you know, the, the actual inverse of reality being, you know, purported to be what's actually happening. Well, she is a liar, but I want to, I think there's, I think it's a lie based on truth. When she says she feels a lot of pressure, I'm sure. This is the internal pressure that builds up from holding up a crumbling and unjust edifice, right? And having to project a family-friendly image to the world and being aware that you're an emissary of a country that is deeply hated and no amount of context. And I love that Hebrew can't find a word for that.

have to borrow from English. If they invented a Hebrew word for context, the state of Israel would crumble. The entire thing would just fall. I'm surprised it's in English and not Arabic word for context. Yeah, I know, right. What is the Arabic word for context? I actually don't even know. Context, I guess I'll say context too.

But anyway, what I'm saying is that what often happens with Zionists and holders of crazy, you know, hateful, superpowers. premises ideologies is they'll take internal dynamics and they'll project them outward. Mm-hmm. You know, so there is a kind of pressure that builds up when you're living in a world clinging to something that shouldn't be clung to. Yeah, and the pressure that she's speaking about, it's so funny, it's how inverse everything is in this context specifically, because we're talking about this movie, which had Rachel Ziegler in it,

who not only was being, like, ripped apart. by right-wing white supremacist psychopaths for being mixed and playing someone with white in the title. Like, you know, the people who are just calling her all sorts of names because she didn't have fair white skin the way they thought, you know, because they're racist psychopaths on the internet. But she also was being completely torn apart by the own, her own production company. Yeah.

Literally. In fact, it was Jonah Platt's father who flew across the country to bring. grow beat this poor young woman who stood her fucking ground. Yes. And even Mark Platt's own son, Ben. Yeah. And even Mark Platt's own other son, Ben,

to her defense or at least said, you go back. Wow. Yeah. And if it's any consolation, I actually did also play Snow White at the Fringe Fest. And it flopped. So listen,

it's not just, it's any like Snow White reading. Yeah. It's a shitty story. It's like, Snow White is. inherently weird to watch in 2025. You've got, you know,

little people who love to work and, like, their whole thing is just like, we'll work till we die. All of it feels problematic, okay? Gall's in her trailer, looking in the mirror, being like, mirror, mirror on the wall, who's the unfairest of them all?

Palestine. But, you know, there is something interesting. There is something interesting. about this whole thing, right, though? Because it's not that it's not that it's a popular thing now, but there is a shift that's turned. And why is that happening?

It's because more people are feeling compelled to speak out because what they have seen is so devastating. And I feel like, you know, the more and more people who are not afraid anymore to speak out and say it's okay, It welcomes other people. So it does become a prominent talking point amongst, you know, the kind of the masses because, hey, you know, you can't see these hundreds of thousands of people being starved to death and killed. And, you know, the whole narrative is like, oh, and they keep using the same thing as the human shields bullshit. But you know what?

It's like the more and more people who come out and speak against this and then they're being called Hamas support. I mean, the fact that Miss Rachel, when she's being called by these anti-people against anti-Semitism groups, when she's being called a Hamas member, you know, if Miss Rachel will go, wait a minute, if you're calling me Hamas for speaking out against the killing of innocent children, then there's something wrong here. And then they could clearly see that the people that they've been calling, you know, that and anti-Semitic and all this. Then they're like, wow, actually all of you got it just completely. takes their whole lies away from them.

And that's the pressure that Galgadad and everyone else should be feeling. They should be feeling that rising tide of public opprobrium. Public contempt for this kind of bullshit. Because as you're pointing to, Sarah, at this point, and you and I

would probably agree that this happened a long time ago by rights, but at least in the public sphere, every single possible justification for what Israel is doing and increasingly for Israel's, even Israel's existence in its current form, but certainly for its actions

has been completely and thoroughly spent. We're at the point where most people, you tell them the most horrific, made-up ghost story about the details of October 7th, and even if those things were true, they would say it's not justified. Right.

The justifications aren't working on their own terms anymore. Right. You can literally see. I mean, you see, what is it, a world food kitchen, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can see them completely like just blown into pieces. Everything is kind of, is well documented.

You see Hindraja well documented. The journalist being killed, well documented. There's so many things that we're actually seeing. Like, we're seeing it. It's not like we're just hearing propaganda, right? Because they always say, oh, this is Hamas propaganda. We're literally seeing it. It's live streamed.

We can tell the difference, at least right now, for this point because I think in the near future we won't be able to tell the difference of AI. Sometimes it's so incredible it is hard. But we can, right now, we can still tell the difference and fact check everything. And that's one thing that I think is so important. Because of course, amongst everything,

there is going to be some, you know, shit that rises sometimes. And then you're like, okay, well, I'm not going to repost that. Make sure that whatever you do repost is actually, like, factual, right? Sure. But we're seeing it and they're still denying it. Like, you have all the facts right in front of you. And they can still say, nope, that's not. That's humus.

And it's the same excuses over and over again. And so at this point, you know, you can talk about, you know, October 7th until the cows come home. Right. When you see a starving child in Gaza. Or until the dwarves come home. Or until the dwarves come home from work because they like to work. Whistling. Yeah.

When you see a starving child who was born after October 7th being, you know, starved at the hands of the Israeli government. It is, all of the excuses ring hollow. It's like, you know, you, I mean, at this point, even, you know, Netanyahu is, he tried to pivot to a new talking point about why all the buildings were, have been blown up. Once these aerial photos started coming out, seeing Gaza completely flattened, he started saying, well, that's- Blaming the boobies. Yeah, he started saying, well, every building in Gaza is booby-trapped by Hamas. Oh my God, this is so stupid. Yes, and that's why they're all blown up.

But then his explanation is like, we go in, we set up, we detonate extremely powerful devices. Our devices set off their booby traps. Right. And the buildings collapse. Yes. That makes sense. Okay. Even in his justification.

He's still the one who blows it up. I know. By the way, you mentioned the World Central Kitchen, Sarah. I just want to give a quick bad A quick bad Hasbara Thumbs down and Raspberry To chef Jose Andres Oh no

What happened? Who posed with Isaac Herzog The president of Israel this week You know Like They slaughter your fucking people How disrespectful to their families To the families that volunteered

Gave their life How disrespectful I don't understand it Yeah Yeah that's awful I haven't even Or at least Herzog posted a picture of the two of them together

this week. I can't confirm it was a fresh photo, but either way, like to allow yourself to be used as a propaganda prop for that government after what they've done to your organization says a lot. Unbelievable. It's really, it's sickening.

I do have to say something, and it's back to gal. I'm sorry. Do it. It's just the reason I have beef with this person gal. I always thought it was Gal Gadot, but you're saying it's Gal Gadot? Gadot, I think it's Gadot. Okay.

Yeah. So I have had beef with her since 2014 because I will never forget. I will never, this has enraged me. Oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Is that like, I forgot how many people were killed. It could have been around 2,000 Palestinians killed during the Israeli aggression on Raza back then in 2014. It was something, I don't have the numbers in front of me. it's operation diamond condo all of their all of their operations sound like condom brands

cast lead yes iron protection yeah protective edge contraceptive annihilation yeah yeah yeah rib for her destruction yeah yeah but yeah but it was like you know what was happening at that time was that um there again there was just it was more than a thousand people Yeah, 2,300 civilians killed, yeah, and 10,000. So, 300, so 2300 killed. And it was the same, it was the same thing again and again. It was the bombing of schools, the bombing of shelters, the cutting off electricity, the food, all of these things that are being repeated, but just on a much larger scale.

Because what's been happening is just like almost doses of it until it became, boom, we're going to do the whole thing, right? So what happened at that time was. And I'm not kidding you, because I think maybe Wonder Woman might have been coming out at that time. But I'm just sitting here like, how can I help my people? How can I be a voice of reason? How is this happening in 2014? I'm thinking at the time, at 2014, how can something like this be happening?

And this girl comes on and she's like, let us pray for the Israeli soldiers. It's like, I couldn't believe it. And I'm like, are you fucking, there was pictures of children. dead on the streets and she's asking her fans to pray for Israeli soldiers who killed the children please these men just killed the children

please pray for these men because how are they going to live with themselves? And do you know how many younger brothers of those people killed and maimed in 2014 were part of whatever posse that broke out of Gaza on October 7th? Probably a large number. Right. And that's just what we're not talking about enough.

You know, people people who want to bring up October 7th, I have a question for them. I really do. Why did October 7th happen? Why don't we talk about Hannibal Directive as well? And why don't we talk about the reason and the fact that Hamas exists in the first place? How can you talk about October 7th being, you know, as devastating as it was and all of this? And they want to put all of the blame on October 7th. We need to talk about why October 7th happened in the first place. There's nothing surrounding it. Speaking of context, right, Galgadot, because you're talking about the context, Sarah.

You're saying what's the context for, right? Well, Galgadot says, like, what context means to Israelis is explaining why it's hasbarifying why Israel does what they do. But I remember early after October 7th, one of the early sort of media altercations was some Israeli government spokesperson. talking to a British newscaster who was asking him exactly the questions you're asking. What were the conditions before October 7th? How did Hamas come to power? What were the grievances here? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And I think maybe it was Alon Levy, actually, who said, I would strongly caution you. I would strongly caution you, and he spoke to him by name, not to try to contextualize October 7th. And it was a threat. Yeah, absolutely. It was a threat. It's so unbelievable to me. That is so, that's such a crazy statement to me. How can we not talk about it?

If you want to talk, then we could say like, don't contextualize, or whatever this, whatever this large word is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then we can talk about that when it comes to Palestine too, right? Right, yeah, right. I mean, they're allergic to context because context is what's gotten them into this PRMS to begin with. I mean, for them, they have been.

actively fighting this PR problem by saying can you guys please just stop trying to look into the why of the whole October 7th thing and please just you know focus on the fact that history started on October 7th and just believe us for every lie that we put out they are that phone call in the detective movie where the detective gets a call yeah like an unnamed caller with a with a you know voice scramble or whatever you're like you need to call off this investigation. Yeah, yeah, right. You've been poking your nose in where you don't belong.

Yeah, exactly. Throwing a rock through a window and it just says, stop, you know. But, yeah, there, you know, for them context is and will always be the enemy because once you start looking into the context of their particular situation, you can't help but, you know, see it for what it is. which is like, oh, you guys are brutal occupiers who are doing apartheid, who are doing genocide, who do ethnic cleansing and who are, you know, unashamed of it because you believe you have the right to do it, because you believe at the end of the day you are a more worthy,

civilized people, and you believe that Arabs are inherently, you know, not as human. And you're not going to stop until you're stopped. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You know, I remember early on. asking because I actually didn't I didn't understand the term Zionism and I was confused and I because I have so many I do have so many Jewish friends and so I didn't understand because even even growing up like as a Palestinian my family was never like we were never taught to like hate Jewish people or anything like that oh you missed out you really missed out but I remember earlier on asking because what I was confused about because society keeps telling us that um Like this is Jewish beliefs.

Like basically they say if you speak against Israel and what they do, like you hate Jewish people and all this. That's one of the most anti-Semitic statements you can make, actually. It really is. It really is. And so what happens is I am conflicted. And I am talking about actually early on October 2023, which is surprising because I feel like I'm well versed in the history of Palestine. But as far as Jewish studies and all of that, I'm not well-versed. It's not, you know, I don't know much about it.

And I try to dive deep. But I was confused. And I remember asking my friend, Alex, who is Jewish, and I was like, I don't understand. I feel like I am a friend to, like, Jewish people. And I don't, I don't, I refuse to think that Jewish people are evil. I refuse to think that this Israel thing and this beliefs of Israel can, that that every Jewish person agrees with it. So I didn't understand the difference of what a Zionist was, but I knew that there was a difference. I just didn't know how to explain it. So then I was like, what is the difference?

Like, how do I separate this thing where I know that Jewish people are great people? And I know that this thing doesn't apply to all of these Jewish people, but how do I separate that? And that's when I started learning the term of Zionism and what that is. And I completely, completely separated. And even, you know, and I have to do this thing where I remind myself when I do see the start of David that they are, it doesn't mean that they're a Zionist. And it's, you know, that thing. And I have to like make sure that I don't, I don't judge because so many Zionists, you know, they've put their own beliefs on these Jewish people.

Yeah. Well, look, I think it's, there's, there's a lot of nobility and you're doing that. And it's shitty that you have to do all that emotional and intellectual labor. And I would say, yes, it's true that. that Jews do not equal evil people. Jews are not automatically evil, but it just so happens to be the case that many Jews, a way too large proportion of Jews, and this is why this podcast, one of the reasons this podcast exists, are wedded to that evil ideology. They've fallen in with it. They're under the sway of it. They've been affected with that virus, whatever. And I don't think it serves anyone,

And I'm telling you, like, you have my permission, you have our permission to glimpse and bear witness to the truth that a lot of Jewish people have gone in for a nationalistic ideology that has to dehumanize your people in order to justify what it did. Whether those people can be redeemed or salvaged, I think many can, maybe some can't, but that's not about their Jewishness. And if you want any evidence of that, you were talking about your ancestors, go back to your ancestors. who lived in great harmony in Jerusalem, in the Holy City for thousands of years next to Jews, for whom the Jewish and Muslim holidays were wedded together, you know, where the life of the city was completely multicultural. There's absolutely nothing about Jews and Palestinians that equals conflict. No, it's Jewish.

who think they're supreme. Right. And I want to add on to that for, you know, the, and there are always going to be people who have this blanket discomfort with the idea that like a large percentage of Jews support Israel's even now, even still, because it feels like, you know,

a lot of people equate it with anti-Semitism, like to like to say that a large percentage, percentage of Jews are Zionists or support Israel. And it's, it's, to me, I look at like supremacy is not, supremacy is not unique to any one type of people. If you look at, you know, the United States and you look at white people and white supremacy within the United States and Christian white supremacy specifically, you see a lot of the same thing where it's like there are, of course, a lot of great, you know, Christians and white Christians in America. And a lot of them, at the end of the day, buy into an ideology that supports Christian white nationalism.

Whether or not they, you know, parse it in different ways, no, I believe in this and the Constitution and that. You just look at our own society and you see that same thing where people, I'm not saying every white person or every Christian is a bad person. But we have to face the fact that this type of ideology is prevalent within white people, within Christian white people in the United States. This is not a unique thing to choose. No, there's probably Muslim supremacists in the world. In fact, there are. Of course.

It's a question of how much power does any group have to enact that. Right. And it's a question of confronting it without people, you know, straw manning the issue and turning it into something that it's not. Oh, you know, it's about being. honest with yourself about, I'm sorry, but Jewish people are not immune to being nationalist fascists. And we have seen that. And it's at some point. Or to being evil, doing evil and right. Exactly. And we have this exceptionalism that we, you know, kind of continue to, I don't know,

proliferate in terms of the way we speak about it in terms of the media we see on it, in which we kind of want to cater to the exceptionalism because we, you know, are, because we feel uncomfortable with the idea of admitting that people are people. And at the end of the day, if you have this exceptionalism for anybody, it is racism.

You're actually just doing anti-Semitism when you say, oh, but how can the Jews who have suffered this and that and the other be like this? It's like, because they're human, very easily, because they're human beings. And the most human thing is to, air. And with that, we need to take a little break. All right.

So I'm sure our sponsors will very much appreciate that intro into commercials, whatever they may be. I hope they're good. Just to recap, Jews can be evil too. And now a word from our sponsors. Buy hamburger at McDonald. Drink Manashevitz. We'll be right back.

And we're back as Bad As Barra World's Most Moral podcast here with Sarah Alami. How you doing? Doing great. Did I pronounce that right, Alami? Remember the Alami. You know, it's so funny. That's why my handle is salami because it's like Sarah Alami. And then people would just put that together.

That's why I just call myself Salami, which is stupid. but it's because I don't know how to say my last name because it's like, it's Arabic. It's like, El Alami. And my dad does this whole like, Al-A. So anyway, I'm just like, call me whatever the fuck you want. Call me whatever you want, honestly. Just call me.

Sarah Salami is here with us. I have to do one quick correction. Early I misspoke when I said that the politician that you clap back on on Instagram, her name was Sylvia Robinson. No, Sylvia Robinson is a African-American R&B, maybe Motown legend. Of course. Yeah, she was either a singer or an executive, I forget. This woman's name was Selena Robinson.

Ah, different Robbins. And she did step down in February, 2024 after that horrific statement. And then the R&B singer took her place. So to continue our conversation, I want to do a little Eve Barlow react. We're going to talk about Barlow. We're ready to get into. The Barlow of it all. Barlow said this.

She said... Setting the bar low as always. That's right. Barlow, sweet chariot. Gal Gadot has nothing to excuse or explain or apologize for. Gal, the flop of Snow White, is not on you. It's on Rachel Zegler, a spiritual and moral zero, who has taken advantage of her Jewish-sounding name. You got to do your Irish accent last time

I feel like I should get to do my Scottish one Okay, go ahead, yeah, you do. Gal Gadot has nothing to excuse or explain or apologize for. Gal, the flop of Snow White is not on you. It's on Rachel Zegler, a spiritual and moral zero who has taken advantage of her Jewish sounding name since she entered Hollywood

and who broke her contact... That's a funny statement. She's taken advantage of her Jewish-sounding names that she entered Hollywood. That's the most anti-Semitic shit we've said on the podcast so far. That's crazy?

Wait, hold on. Actual anti-Semitism alert. There's no anti-Semitism in the United States. All right, thank you, Norm. That was a hell of anti-Semitic. She's taken advantage of her Jewish-sounding names since she entered Hollywood and who broke her contractual,

contractual obligations and didn't did not did not maintain did no did no maintain a professional line when she actively smeared you in the midst of the film's promotion because she wanted the world to know that she sided with terrorists and not the Jewish people you're good and we Jews have your back don't you ever forget it hashtag never forget If it's not Zionist, it's crap. That is an incredible Scottish accent. That was really good. Like, wow, can we just talk about your accent and not about Eve Barlow, please?

I did an extended Scottish accent in the audiobook of the myth of normal because we quoted a Scottish labor leader talking about society and whatever at labor conditions. And I was working with the director of the audiobook. I'm like, can I do an accent? She said, sure, go for it. And we kept it in. and the readership, the reviews are decidedly split on whether or not that was a good idea or appropriate in the context of a serious nonfiction book.

Just excuse me, please. Can we please, for the viewers, can you guys please post below and tell us what you think of his access, please. Please, yeah, give it a rating. Yes. So, I mean, that statement is just like there's so much going on there. First of all, I love the idea that she thinks that Rachel's English. has been, like, promoted because she has a Jewish-sounding name,

which is very, like, oh, you know, how if you have a Jewish last name in Hollywood, you immediately make it. That, to me, is just a very funny level of anti-Semitism. That's how she got cast as Maria in West Side Story. That's right. Yeah, they were just, like, make sure it's a Jew. It's not a Jew. That's why Natalie Hirschlag is so famous,

a.k.a. Natalie Portman, yeah. Or Marilyn Monroe, for that matter. Right. I mean, completely ridiculous. I think the only time I've ever seen that excuse being used is people saying that about Whoopi Goldberg, which I always thought was very funny. I thought we all agreed that that's a joke. To say that that is why someone makes it

it is because they have a Jewish sounding last name is to deny the millions of Jewish failures like myself who have Besides, Jewish sounding last names. Whatby Goldberg's demeanor and whole attitude and personality is way more Jewish than Galga Dots.

Oh, 100%. 100%. But Eve, doing this whole thing as just like, I mean, look, this entire statement is just crap. She is a master at making crap statements.

She, to like, talk about something we talked about in the last episode, Bono and you two came out with a statement in which they finally broke their silence on Gaza and the statement as we read was just pitiful. It was disgusting. It was mostly Bono just saying October 7th is bad and all this genocide and starvation is actually the fault of Hamas and but you know still it was recognizing that starvation was happening. And Eve Barlow took to her social media to discuss this recent change in the tune of Bono. And I have a little bit more Barlow

for all of us to enjoy. Oh, no. Yes. You're going to see that my accent was rather exaggerated. She has one of these lighter Scottish accents. Oh, no, it's still there. It's still, it's, here it is. What they have done during this window of opportunity that's presented itself over the last month for people desperately trying to clean up their public image because, well, in Bono's case, you know, he came out immediately after October 7th and said something very resonating and morally courageous, actually. So what she's speaking about there is something we did show on the, it's his statement in the sphere or the dome or wherever the fuck in Vegas.

He, the bubble. Yeah, in the bubble in which he said that, you know, everyone is, you know, it's laughable to do a song about nonviolence because we all know, essentially he said violence, it needs to happen. But he played a song which he changed the lyrics of it to be about October 7th. And then. The Nova, the Nova Festival specifically.

Yeah, the Nova Festival. Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know. Yeah. And then he. Stars of David. They took your life. Yeah, and then he went on to be completely silent about it for, I mean, the rest of the last two years up until, like, a week ago.

And so this Eve Barlow, like, statement, everything she's talking about is just like, first of all, she makes it about her, which I love the narcissism, and she makes it out the pressure that people are under in the industry. And I want to play a little bit of that. And for Eve, by the way, by the way, for Eve, moral courage is saying what everyone else is already saying. Right. Just like for, just like for Gaul, like, bucking the pressure means going along with the entire drift of what your entire industry and the entire mainstream media that has turned you somehow into a star is. Right. That's what moral courage is. Yes, yes.

And, you know, it's, yeah, you'll never see more inverted reality. than you will watching an Eve Barlow clip. They're cleaning things up. You know how many messages I get from... Just so you understand her talking about cleaning things up, she's talking about the fact that like the reason why Bono or Madonna, who recently said, hey, maybe, you know, someone should do something about the whole Gaza thing,

she's saying that they're all cleaning up their images after being pro-Israel. Now they're being anti-Israel in order. her to save their careers, which, you know, famously. She thinks Bono's statement is anti-Israel. That's what she say. Yes, yes, which is crazy if you read the statement. It is the fact that she thinks...

I've read it. Yes, isn't that crazy? You have to be completely in a vote. Is she, I just, I'm curious, is she also claiming to be indigenous to the Middle East? I'm just, because I'm looking at her. Okay. Okay, she looks middle-ish. She looks like she's from Gaza, like it's...

100%. She looks indigenous to like a soul cycle class. Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's great. Entertainment industry people per month saying that they have been pressured privately on direct message by trolls, by other people in the industry, to public. unfollow me because it's not a good look, et cetera, et cetera. I'm sorry, good Luke. No.

She's like, do you know how many people have been pressured, pressured in this industry to unfollow my account? This is bullshit. Maybe it's because you suck. I mean, Jesus. Like, you suck as a human being. It's a travesty to see Bonos succumbing to the pressure to not even mention me in his In his lengthy statement, there was no statement of support for Eve Barlow and the whole thing.

Yes. Is she an actress then? No. She was, by her own reckoning, approaching the height of Western music journalism. Yes. She was a music journalist. Circa, 2007. Yeah, or something like that.

As everyone knows, the peak years for music journalists. Yeah, exactly. The pre-pitchfork years. Pitchfork's been around since late. Has it? Yeah. Oh, wow. This is so crazy because, you know, there is this part of me also that, like, I get pissed

for Jewish people because I have this like, because my mom, my mom was actually like a little fighting Irish woman. I don't know if you guys know that about me. Like my mom's grandmother was Native American, but like my mom was from an Irish family, predominantly Irish. My dad fled after the, because my dad survived NACBA and then survived six days. War. He came to America. He might have a mom. So, uh, anyway, it's, it's just like I get, so because of my mom and she would talk about segregation, like growing up in Canaryville and Chicago and all

these things. My mom was this like little fighter, right? So, and she, she would be so passionate about like human rights for all. So, so it's not just like, you know, the Palestinian people, but also for me too. It's like the, the BLM movement and, and the LGBTQ plus community. And the Jewish community because Jewish people have faced so much, you know, horrific things as well. So it's like, it's like when people talk like this, I feel like immediately like I have to protect those people, but it's like it's weird because you're trying to, it's a weird position to be in, right? Because you get almost pissed off for Jewish people because of these people are like, I don't

know. Right. Because it's a victimization in a fucked up way, which of course is not nearly as victimizing as being a Palestinian, but in a way, it's a victimization of, like, Jews in the Jewish psyche to, I mean, look at the damage. Look at the damage of Eve Barlow. Look at her brain. What has happened to her brain? And it's only Zionism. Zionism is the answer. This is what it did to her, where she's going to make statements like this next one I'm about to play. Oh, no. There's a straight face. This was an eight-minute video, Sarah.

It was mad, actually, I didn't watch the whole thing. I had to cut through. I had to find it. I defined, like, just parts of it because I was like, this is too insane. But here is one of the statements that she makes completely straight-faced about the media. I'm scared. This isn't something that you should gloss over just because you're not Jewish, and you don't think it affects you. When the media has been totally owned by terrorists and terrorist organized,

I agree. When the New York Times is printing a puff piece, glorifying and praising an Al-Quds terrorist as some sort of freedom fighter, it's not just the Jewish people who are in trouble. If you are being pressurized to look at this in a specific way, you are being subjected to brainwashing and propaganda. be aware of what you're being forced fed. I mean, stay walk, brothers and sisters. Stay woke.

Stay woke. The unwokenest person. Like, she is just not even realizing. It's so great. She's completely right that the media are owned by terrorists and that they support there is. Just the wrong ones. I mean, that's that to me is like when you talk about like almost like feeling bad in

this warped way for for Jewish people, it's like, yes. I feel you. You look at everything she just said, and she's essentially just doing old-school anti-Semitic tropes about owning the media. She's done multiple. She did it in the Gal Gadot tweet, where she was just like, you know, the fucking talking about having a Jewish last name gets you ahead in Hollywood.

In this case, she's talking about how like, oh, well, we all know that, you know, choose or, we all know that terrorists own the media. I mean, she's part of this like, you know, know, school of conspiracy theory in the Zionist, you know, lane in which they believe that Qatar is, uh, you know, secretly controlling the strings of news media. And she's sitting there telling other people that they're brainwashed. You got, you got a, you got to, I see it so often, I see the, I see the empathy on your face. I see the, the human kindness, the compassion for

these poor people. And I'm hoping that you will use your privilege as a Palestinian in Hollywood, which an industry that is controlled by your people to set up some mental health foundations for brainbroken Zionists like Eve. Yeah. I mean, everyone knows that Palestine is, you know, controlling the world. And we're very prominent. I mean, even our politicians are controlled by Palestine, you know? That's right. You see it all the time. You see it all the time. You see it all time in the news and the Hollywood it's all it's all just under Palestinian Arab control it pisses me off because it's so it's like it's like you're almost dealing with like it's so it makes no it makes no sense at all in the real world in reality in the real world

but but it's like you're you're hearing from these people who seem to be of sound of sound mind where they're you know like they can actually have a conversation they're not in a mental institute right they're not they're like going about smearing dudo on the walls right they're not naked and afraid they're just like speaking and so but you would think what they're saying is just so like wild that this it just doesn't make sense this doesn't make sense I really feel like I'm crazy have I died you know what I feel like the sixth sense I really do this is hell welcome I'm dead. Actually, hi, welcome.

We just, you figure it out. Really? I swear to God, I think that all the time I'm like, am I dead? And I'm walking around thinking I'm alive because none of this bullshit makes sense. I'm waiting for the therapist. You know, like, wait, no, the therapist. I don't know what's going to wake me up. But I do think of six cents and how Bruce Willis was just walking around and just he was like, holy shit.

He didn't know he was dead. So I'm waiting. I see Zionist people. Yeah. I love watching. enough as Barra where your reaction is just am I dead?

Because apparently everything I know everything I know is the opposite of the truth according to Eve Barlow. Maybe I am not alive and am dead because... It's so stupid. Like I literally like

what more do you need to see? Like we're really seeing the worst of the worst. Like I don't think when I've seen like people like real beheaded people. I'm not talking about like a fake beheaded. Like I'm talking about real beheaded people burning alive targeting children like shot

355 times hint as she like waits for the ambulance to come and save her. But then the ambulance which they know the coordinates so they know exactly that this ambulance is for Hind. They know there's no Hamas or whatever in there and then they still kill them. So we have

so many things to look at. We have so much And then still, it's just like, it's driving me crazy that people will still say something else. Like, what in the world? I don't understand. Yeah, it makes no sense. It is just being completely, I mean, it's being delusional in a way that you, yeah, it's hard to make sense of without. But you're, without completely dismissing the person as like, you know, just being actually ill. And I don't think, I don't think there.

actually ill, I think they are actually brainwashed. And it is, yeah, it is crazy watching. Well, look, look, is there more Eve, Matt? There's not more Eve. Okay, well, then I just want to say this. It's easy for the two of you guys to say that. That's true. All right.

In your little safe bubbles of L.A. and Florida. Yes. Here in New York, there are reminders of how unsafe Jewish people are everywhere. Now, have either of you, do either of you know what a bodega is? I know this. Yeah.

I know. Are you familiar with bodegas? Yeah. So for those listening who have never visited New York, a bodega is like a corner store plus plus plus. They have like everything. And they're on like not every corner, but there's a, wherever you are in New York City,

there is a bodega, many of which are open 24 hours a day, within three blocks of you. I'm not exaggerating. Yeah. And they all have an ATMs, and they have a deli counter. Right. And they, what are they? Yeah, they're stores.

Yeah, they're stores. I just want to say that to everybody in New York. Proud of your, oh, we got a store. You got a store. You got a deli that sells gum. With a cat. Oh, good for you. Yeah, yelling at me about L.A.

We have stuff too. We have stores. There's a real cool song about going to the bodega, by the way. Yeah. I mean, listen, they have a whole culture. Is it from In the Heights? Is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't think of it, but it's like. I was making that up out of my head. I was like, probably Lynn, Manwell, Miranda wrote it. It's probably Lynn Manuel. Bodega. God. Yeah, in New York, you can get expired funions on nearly any corner. Exactly.

Exactly, Adam. So many of them are owned by people. from all over the world, let's say, and there's languages you might hear spoken in there that might scary languages from places that we've bombed, so might dislike us. Right, even more scary. So you hear that language,

and it makes you think of all the reasons why people might hate America, even though these people are some of the friendliest people in New York, and they'll give you a free banana if you don't have the 25 cents. But there was one that decided to take that that sinister ominous danger that lurks within every bodega

and put it on the outside. That's right. That's right. Today we are going to be talking about the Gaza, Delhi, and Grill. Now, this story is insane in terms of it's like, I mean, in terms of, we're talking about all this like inversion of reality shit. This is wild.

So New York Post put this story out. Queens bodega named, quote, Gaza, Deli, and Grill ignites fear among Jewish New Yorkers, including October 7th Survivor. Quote, I'm still not safe. I was just, this is on 46th Street in Woodside Queens. I was just there having breakfast with a friend last week. I'm so sorry, Daniel, that this has probably made you feel. fear for your life? Did it make you fear for your life, like being Jewish and then having that bodega with Gaza and the name? Like, did you run the other way screaming? Like,

I can, I can barely eat a second helping of every meal since then. I've only been able to down the appropriate number of calories per day. I, I, I can barely overeat, guys. I can barely overeat. I imagine, I mean, it scares me just looking at it to know what there's, to know that there's a Gaza deli and grill in New York that I haven't bombed yet, you know, like that we haven't sent in troops to destroy and steal. I mean, it's just a lie. They sell, they sell a drink in there called Jewish tears. Can you imagine though? Like, imagine though, this person, whoever wrote this, can you imagine that their, like, their therapist appointment? Like, what happened? Like, they come in just like just crying and then the therapist is like explain what happened and then

she's like a corner store there's a bodega there's a pota there's a place where the people I support are currently doing a genocide like where do you how do you how are you how can you be scared why would anyone all right well let's let's read what the therapist say, oh, oh. I think the therapist just collects the check and says, how does that make you feel? A Queens Deli is stubbornly refusing to change its controversial name. It's controversial name, even after over a year's worth of complaints from Jewish New Yorkers who said it makes them feel unsafe.

How? I don't understand. Well, it does say the Gaza deli, so that's, you know, terrifying. I mean, I can see how that is, you know, terrifying. name of Gaza being on top of this deli. It's like, what more do you need to destroy in order for you to feel like the name Gaza has been rightfully neutered in your mind? Quite honestly, like, okay, I'm a human being who's Jewish and I have feelings as a human

being. That's true. And as a Jewish person, I have, you know, mental neuroses attached to those feelings, probably connected to centuries of trauma. Sure. But I have one of the nice things about all of this is it might be curing me of myself absorption because I've

never let I've been, I've never been less interested in the feelings of any Jew than I am in an era when Jewish New Yorkers are trying to get a fucking small business shut down because the name of it, which is a geographic location, that

the Jewish state is trying to pulverize, makes them feel unsafe. Yeah, crazy, crazy. Jewish New Yorkers are terrified by a building identified with Gaza that's still standing. 100% Adam, 100%.

To continue, you can go ahead. The Gaza Delian Grill on 48th Street and Woodside features painted slogans, including Save Gaza and Free Al-Axa. A freeze used as a call from Israel's removal from Jerusalem. I don't know.

Maybe it's just a call to unoccupy the second most holy site in Islam, as well as images of a kaffia-clad woman and watermelon. A watermelon! Can you imagine? The most terrorist of all melons. Oh, God. Like, imagine seeing a woman, wearing kaffia, eating a watermelon,

sitting on a picnic blanket. Seeing these messages on a neighborhood deli feels like a punch to the gut. It's not just a mural, it's a message. And to someone like me, it's a reminder that even here, in the place I came to for peace, I'm still not safe. Natalie Sanandaji told the Post. Okay, Natalie.

Jewish name. You are, I mean, listen, I, who knows, Jews are all over. They're all over the place. And I, yeah, I'm sorry that you came to the United States to feel safe from the people who are currently being genocide. I mean, it's crazy how they're making this seem like a horror thing. Like if someone was to wear this as a costume on Halloween, like a kofia with eating watermelon. And they're like, ah, straight up though.

It's like, I am, I believe that some people are serious when they say they're afraid. But I also believe that a good percentage of people who say they're afraid are doing cultural appropriation of actual marginalized people's fears. Where they just, they do the calculation of like, okay, so for me, Kofia equals rebel Confederate flag. For me, watermelon equals gun. Like, they need to appropriate the feelings of other people in order for the math to make them afraid. And many of these people were the same ones who were ridiculing the snowflake liberals for their love of safe spaces and trigger warnings or whatever.

Whatever you want to say about it, I think there may be valid criticisms. Sure. But the absolute hypocrisy of, especially people like Barry Weiss, these free speech, anti-woke warriors, who are the biggest wokesters,

the biggest snowflakes in the country right now. Right. And they're not doing it to try and protect an actually oppressed group. They're doing it to try to prop up a genocidal regime across the world. To try to continue oppression. And they're appropriate.

That's why they're the soy right, You know, their right wing, but they're soy about it. That's right. But I will say also that media plays a huge role in this. And the reason I say that is because if you look at the movies over history, even, I don't know if you've ever noticed, the beginning of Wayne's world. They have like, cofias in Wayne's world. And they just have all these rifles and they're just like killing everybody. But they have put these like cofias, you know, with these, with these Adub and they're just calling terrorists.

So it is almost like this, it is a systemic kind of hatred that's deep rooted in mind. Ever since I've been alive And I'm turning 50 this year And I remember very vividly Seeing back to the future In theaters when it came out Oh, the Libyans Yes

1985, you know They found me I don't know how But they found me Who? The Libyans And these fucking You know

I don't know if they're Kaffirs Or Arab headdress Right wearing just generic Central casting Arabs Pop their heads out of this van And they're shooting a rocket launcher You know

Yes And that's my introduction to what Middle Eastern people are. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It is 100%, you know, as you say, a systemic issue in the West, in the United States, specifically in New York, that we are going to automatically, you know, fear and despise anything Arab. It's just another level entirely when the rest of your personality or purported beliefs

are these like liberal woo-woo thing. you know or the other way around where you are completely right wing anti-woke free speech and then this one you're like this actually makes me afraid and I'm scared you know how do you know how fucking how long the New York Post has dined out on people feeling unsafe that's all they're fucking it's all they do it's all they do Sanandaji 30 who was at the nova music festival on October 7th 2023 when Hamas slaughtered 1,200 Israelis no they didn't not at the Nova music festival. And they didn't slaughter 1,200. Yeah, that's right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all right. That's just not true. Spotted the deli while heading to Brooklyn earlier this week. Oh, so this just happened. Yeah. Wait a second. You mean, just this week, you saw the deli and said, well, I got to tell

the post. The post got to know. I thought this was a two-year-long campaign. I came back to New York hoping for safety and stability. Instead, I feel alienated in a city I once called home, said Sanandaji. I'm surrounded by people who glorify and call

October 7th, a resistance. Like, it's a good thing. People who would celebrate the fact that I almost died. Sanandaji, who now works as a public affairs officer for the combat anti-Semitism movement, likened the bodega's name to calling it 9-11

deli or Holocaust Delhi. Oh my god Is happening Two dozens Are you sure Eve Barlow didn't write this And then she just used the

The name Sanandaji I think Eve Barlow's behind this I'll go back and read the entire article In a Scottish accent Yeah yeah You know I would But Holocaust deli Gaza's a place name

You fucking moron Yes Yes But you know what So is Dachau Yeah So is Auschwitz It's the same

connotation, she said. No, it's not. Well, at this point, I somewhat agree that Gaza Deli and Holocaust Deli actually... Yeah, no, there is a connotation, but not in the way you think. Yeah. The Deli's owner dismissed the notion that Jews could take offense to his store's branding.

That's a great sentence. The deli's owner, he dismissed the notion that Jews could take offense. No, he dismissed the notion the Jews should take offense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they can't. I dismiss it. The Jews' offense should be taken

seriously as he should telling the post comma they like to make excuses to make it sound like they're always the victim yeah there's a better than 50% chance that's not what he said yeah yeah there's but it's also true but yeah i know that they if they invented that line they did it because they thought people would be like oh how could you say that and he probably meant Zionists when he said they we don't turn down any customers and believe it or not we have a lot of Jewish customers who still to this day come into the business. Everyone is welcome. We don't turn anyone away.

Bilal Al-Ghazali said, there's no reason for fear. Yeah, you say that, and yet you stand there being Arab. Am I right that Al-Ghazali would mean, like, someone from Gaza? Like, am I reading it? Oh, yeah. Actually, yes. Yeah. Well, there we go.

Yeah. So it would be like a Jew with the last name, Yurisulaymi or something. Right, sure, sure. 26 years old said he named the bodega to honor his mother's Palestinian roots and claimed he's gotten multiple death threats since the Delhi opened in February

24. Snowflake! Yeah. Snowflake. Oh, we're supposed to care about your feelings just because you got multiple death threats. Oh, yeah. Think about the people who have to walk by. Think about the walk past your store. The people who could take a different route to Brooklyn if they wanted. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I got a death threat. Well, you know what? Think about me. A random New Yorker passing by reading a sign that has a place name on it and then doing a search and replace function in my brain turning it into a death threat. A random New Yorker who

if I'm really scrolling through my Google Maps and I really, really zoom in I'm going to see the name of your deli. But he said he doesn't regret the name and even plans to name his future daughter Gaza. Michelle Achtut, the director of end Jew hatred

said the signage feature... They're talking to all the right people here. I like this. Said the signage features, quote, the same kind of artwork that is used by Hamas to glorify violence against Jews. This is a complete lack of sensitivity

to Jewish New Yorkers who have experienced such a massive increase in Jew hatred and are now seeing this deli being used to spread distorted, politicized images. Yeah, it is very... I mean, it lacks a lot of sensitivity to... The watermelon on the mural

is seedless. Yes, exactly. There's a seedless watermelon. There's a kaffa. There's something that says, Free Us. Yeah, I love that. Yeah.

This is Hamas coded artwork where it's just like the artwork itself, the mural of someone saying, you know, free Al-Axa or, you know, free Palestine. All of this is. The revised 2017 Hamas Charter calls for all. glorious resistance fighters to set up affordable corner stores on every block and and and offer you know single use like condom packs right like you know individual Tylenols right and weed sometimes and weed sometimes and and and bananas with no stems and yeah it's as all it's all part of the plan it's all part of it yeah it's it's so crazy right fresh right russia right

Rashid, the Israeli owner of the flat iron restaurant, Tabunia, called the deli's messaging, crazy. There are too many, um, Hamas supporters here in New York, Rashid said, okay, I was, uh, Hadar and I were walking in Williamsburg just yesterday. Yeah. And near McCarron Park, we walked by a restaurant. It's called, it's called, and it, it actually says above it. a love letter to Tel Aviv.

Like, that's its subtitle. And B. is written in, like, modified, like, Hebrew letters refigured to be English letters. Okay, yeah, yeah. To me, that's crazy branding. Like, that's... Right.

Like, that's... Yeah. Like, the Gaza Delhi is not subtitled an homage to the glorious fallen martyrs of the Islamic jihad. But even if it was. Even if it was. It's New York.

They're allowed. They're allowed to have an Israeli restaurant. Yes. And this guy's allowed to have a Gaza deli. And there's no New York Post article about it saying that Palestinians are terrified of the name of this, right? No. I just want to make sure of this. No, of course not.

And that's the thing is it's like, you know, you see what kinds of anti-Semitic issues, the post or any of these like right-wing, you know, anti-Semitic watch accounts are talking about. And it's always the most micro of microaggressions that you could even, like, imagine. It is parody at this point. And yet, if someone were to make the, you know, a restaurant that was just IDF themed, I would totally understand someone, you know, being like, I, this makes me afraid, you know, this makes me, like one, one lives in reality in which there is, a genocide happening to people, and the other lives in a completely inverse reality in which they go,

the name of the place that, in which Israel is doing a genocide, makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like they're trying to kill me. That's... Right. And I guarantee, if you look at the menu of that restaurant, I guarantee they have an Israeli hummus on there or falafel. I'm sure. I'm sure, you know? Of course they do. But honestly, if you and I were walking in Williamsburg, Sarah, and you saw a restaurant that said a love letter to Tel Aviv with those things like, like would you feel some emotions? Would you have to deal with some internal reactions? Is that part of walking around in a world where people lovingly refer to that country as something worth having a love letter to? Well, yeah, because they're responsible for killing off my people and the displacement of my people.

But at the same time, I can also acknowledge that, you know, I have no control over what people name their restaurants. And I'm not going to go sit there and call the army of other Palestinians rile up and be like, oh, my God, isn't this terrifying? And then call the New York Times and be like, you know, I mean, especially if it was just the Gaza Grill's ridiculous. So like that for someone to, that to trigger someone is just wild to me. You know what's even worse? it's everywhere I was in CVS the other day and then Walgreens

a few days later there was fucking gauze they were selling gauze they were selling gauze a roll of gauze a roll of gauze a roll of gauze as they call it Goz yeah I don't know if people realize that that's where

that's where it comes from yeah it actually is right is it is it is there's a whole thing on it you can read about it but you know it does piss me off it go ahead oh really i did that it sounds like that no no the name the name uh gauze does come from if what if i read that correctly sit down children we're going to learn something i love that i mean is it uh i'm right ironic ironic that it's one of the many products that has been i'm sure banned from entry into the place the english word gauze it's thought to be derived from the name of the palestine

city and city Gaza. It's thought that the fine open weave fabric now commonly used in medicine originated in Raza and was initially known by names related to the city. 13th century. Okay, but except for Gauss, there was nothing there. Yeah, exactly.

Except for Gauss, a couple hundred thousand people. Right. They had some tenser bandages. Right. And my ancestors who were fighting the crusaders, they were just there alone. It was just, I'm like the beginning of right save for that save for a couple of bodegas where they got

grills and delis there was it was a land without people that's right man that is uh you learn a lot on this show and bad gosbara bad gosbara

great you already have a runoff show called bad gazera there we go there we go uh great show and great guest, Sarah. It was awesome talking to you. It was really, truly a pleasure. Where can people find your work

online? Where can people follow you? Go to my Instagram, salami Sarah. It's pretty good. I'm pretty basic. Well, we will put a link right next to pepperoni patty and Gabagool Gabby and Gabba Goo! Hamburger hairy.

I do have a real-time Palestine account to you. which just features like more of like real, real horrific stories coming out of Gaza. And sometimes I feel like I have to protect my family who are actually from Palestine because it does trigger them and it is very hard for them to see. So I kind of keep that account separate. But yeah, my main account is Salami, Sarah. And check out artists for Seiz Fartero.

And just before you go, Sarah, any message to any sort of fence sitting celebrities out there who might be considering, and you think I'm going to say speaking out for Palestine, but more specifically coming on the Bad Hasbara podcast, You want to leave us a Yelp review quickly right here while you're going there? What's the experience like? Do you recommend it to people? Or would you say stay away? How many stars is the guest experience?

No, I give it a 10 out of 10. I think you guys are amazing. I love talking with you today. And honestly, to other, to celebrities out there, anyone with the platform, anyone at all, really. The reason I say with the platform to speak on it is because you should, you've been given this incredible opportunity to reach people in a much larger way. And why wouldn't you use that to do something good? I honestly think that people are like, ah, it's not going to make a difference.

I promise you it is going to make a difference. It's going to open the world for others to feel more comfortable to speak on this. And you really could save lives. Like just you really could save lives. So open up your heart and like Spike Lee said, do the right thing. Yeah. And actually guard the galaxy. You know what I'm saying?

Guard the galaxy. Yes, 100%. And on that note, Sarah, it was great talking to you. Thank you for me. It was awesome talking with you guys. Thank you so much for having me. And it was awesome having all you out there listening and watching patreon.com slash badhasbara, badhasbara at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns.

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