Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 143: Pursuit of Floppiness, with Chris Kunzler

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by content creator Chris Kunzler, who was endlessly impressed with their accent work during their chat over the UK’s proscription of Palestine Action, Hen Mazzig’s pecking at Hannah Einbinder, and Israel’s decision not to drop Jerry Seinfeld’s “Unfrosted” on Gaza because their drones can’t carry bombs that massive.Please donate to Bridge of Solidarity: https://chuffed.org/project/bridgeofsolidaritySend us an email or leave us a voice message for our next mailbag. [e-mail] / [phone]. 100 words, 20 seconds, make it count.Find Chris everywhere:https://www.instagram.com/chris.kunzlerhttps://x.com/chriskunzlerhttps://youtube.com/@chris_kunzlerhttps://www.tiktok.com/@chriskunzlerJoin the patreon at https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraBad Hasbara Merch Store: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastGet tickets for Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb at the Ice House in Pasadena October 1: https://www.showclix.com/event/new-world-disorder-10-01-25-7-45-pmGet tickets for Francesca Fiorentini, Matt Lieb and friends with Daniel Maté October 13 in Brooklyn: https://bit.ly/mattfranbellhouseSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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That's our, we don't choose which one's going to be which necessarily. Like occasionally, we will be like ah well we want everyone to see you know this episode but that's you know that's a very occasional most of the time just random chance it's behind a paywall uh for that i guess we apologize but also you can you know you can watch it just you just got to join the patreon or you know i can steal it i mean i don't want you to steal it but what are you going to do

there's ways of course there's ways anyways if you will it there is no paywall it is no dream if there's a will there's a way to steal it daniel what's the spin uh today i uh was riffing off of this i i got this the gray album oh shit is that dangerous mouse or no danger mouse excuse me different mouse so danger mouse mashed up this sort of one of the original like mashups mashup breakthrough kind of started the whole like girl talk craze of the mid 2000s where everyone was doing mashups of shit yeah so danger mouse of narles sparkly fame who worked with mf doom anyway he did a

mashup of jz's black album with the beatles white album yeah you know i got 99 problems but a bird ain't one that's right uh after i got that i realized oh i've got some other beetles inspired albums in my collection. So one is Macklemore Avenue by Booker T and the MGs. That's the street in Memphis, Tennessee, where their studio was. Is that what McElmore is named after? No. Oh.

I don't think so. It's not quite spelled the same either. But yeah, this is an album covers from Abbey Road. Oh, I love that. In the style of Booker T and the MGs. And then, you know, that's sort of Staxville, Memphis, soul stuff. And then George Benson also did a jazz guitar album of covers of Abbey Road called The Other Side of Abbey Road. Some smooth jazz. Beatles reggae by the reggae specials, who I think

are in English. English band? English reggae band, yeah. I love me some regified music. I will admit to listening to Dub Side of the Moon on a regular basis for maybe five years of my life. I was on drugs, but... I was quite a Dred Zeppelin fan when I was in my teens, yeah? Fair enough, yeah. And then finally, another hip-hop mash-up project that I just happened to have,

Wu-Tang versus the Beatles, the magical mystery chamber. Oh, I love it. I've never heard that. Yeah, a bunch of... Old dirty bastards singing yellow submarine? No, not quite. It's Wu-Tang vocals with Beatles or Beatles and Spodels.

tracks underneath. Most of them are from Beatles covers, like Beatles' soul covers and stuff like that. So you don't quite get that satisfaction. But there's a few tracks where they actually sampled the Beatles recording. Okay. That's still very cool. Those are all things that are spinning at the Matei household. Check those out. Okay. We have a wonderful episode for you this week. I'm very excited. I want to begin with something pre-guessed, though, just because I had a lot of fun with this. This apparently Netanyahu recently spoke at, in front of like a Democrat Republican U.S. congressional, quote, delegation in Israel,

which is just birthright for elected officials. That's what that is. And I know that because he gave this one particular speech and I got a clip of this one part, which is, there's just something sad about it. that I feel like y'all need to hear this. Check this out. And our weapon systems, we share with the United States. We're tremendously appreciative of the bipartisan support

and military matters to Israel in previous years, and today as well. But do you have cell phones? You have cell phones here? You're holding a piece of Israel right there. You know that? I mean, a lot of the cell phones, the medicines, the foods, you eat cherry tomatoes. You know where that was made?

Where it was made? You know where that was made? I got some fucking cherry tomatoes in my fucking... In your garden. Right. Yeah. I can make my own goddamn cherry tomatoes. I love that he's doing that for Congress.

And also, I've never seen him so sad while doing it. Yeah, well, it's Charlie Kirk, you know, it's still mourning his boy. He's still thinking about Charlie Kirk. Poor Charlie. I fucking love watching him phone that in. I miss my friend. I deeply miss my friend whose death I had nothing to do with. Yeah, of course, I didn't do it myself and never would.

But man, I miss him. I miss the way that he was slowly becoming pro-palis. No, just kidding. But still, though, I think it's great that he can't. speak in i don't know there's like there's something missing now yeah he sounds depressed he sounds depressed he sounds like it's like he's just running through the fucking script uh if you ever notice that the women can vote here yeah so can we please kill the guys can we please like all of this it's like he doesn't even have to try with congress anymore he just has to say

we made cherry tomatoes therefore we would like to clear the gaza strip of all arabs and muslims um beautiful thank you so much bb for um you know giving us a little bit more to add to the theme song um with that i'd like to introduce our guest we have a great guest he is a ticotker he is a content creator he comes from sunny old england town sorry uh and he is truly and I mean this, one of the most requested guests we've ever had on. I mean, for weeks now, there's been sort of a groundswell of boosterism for us having this person. People have been saying, you got to get them on. So we're doing it.

Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, welcome Chris Kuzler to the podcast. Hello, hello, hello. Hey, you're here. We did it. We made it happen. Indeed, indeed. You needed some proper British representation after Lee Kern. I know, I know. So far, Lee Kern is the only British guy we've had on for a while. And that's just me with a bolt filter on. How are you doing? How are things? How is England?

England is England, you know, an increasingly atlanticized place that is becoming increasingly more miserable and expensive. I mean, as you probably saw, there was a very interesting March this weekend of sort of... Yes, I did see this march. Tommy Robinson is a name that comes up. And so just let's get into it. Who the fuck is this guy? Who's Tommy Robinson?

And why are people waving the Union Jack and the Israeli flag at the same time? I mean, I'm 25, so I don't have like a full track of 24 actually. I don't have like a full recollection of Tommy Robinson's rise to power. But Tommy Robinson is basically this far right. individual who's changed his name a lot of times and got arrested for he made this documentary that's really bizarre and he says it's groundbreaking and then the media silence there but it's actually a documentary about how in i think maybe 2016 this syrian schoolboy got bullied and everyone assumed that it was like a racist incident and i think the school eventually said this wasn't actually a

racist incident but either way Tommy robinson became obsessed with this story and he he thinks it's like the most important thing that you will ever see and the documentary The South Park episode when Cartman commits a hate crime, it goes to jail because he accidentally hit his black classmate with a rock. That's right. Yeah. And it basically morphed into this massive story where Tommy Robinson went round asking the children who were involved to basically say that the Syrian boy had been beating them with like rocks and like trying to kill them with a hockey stick and stuff. And as it stood up, none of it was true. The school went through it.

And Tommy Robinson went to prison for a libel recently because he keeps showing this documentary. because I watched it and I looked at the court documents of why they said, you know, this guy's going to prison. And yeah, he's basically just a far right guy who loves Israel and also loves cocaine. Like that's another big selling point of his. He is really interested in cocaine and loving the IDF. Hand and they go hand in hand, you know, in a lot of ways. It's, that's, it's wild because it's, uh, he's a name I've seen, uh, a lot for the past,

I mean, it feels like past decade at this point. he has been constantly at the vanguard of these like right wing marches whether they are nationalist like whatever the reason whether they're anti immigration anti like Syrian refugees uh anti you know pro brexit uh he was around for all of those i feel like the the israel stuff and you can correct me if i'm wrong here but it feels like a more recent thing, like a sort of, I don't remember him being someone who was holding up anything other than the, you know, the Union Jack flag. So I was actually watching a video of how true this is because it came from like another

far right individual in the UK called Nick Griffin. He claimed that he was offered money to turn his party to just being entirely anti-Israel and anti-Iro-Israel. Sorry, pro-Israel. and anti-Muslim and he refused to do it, probably because there's actually a thing, if a party was founded after the Second World War, generally they don't associate with anti-Semitism and have had to move away from it across Europe. And this is a thing for like Marine Le Pen's party. You know, her dad was obviously a collaborationist with the Nazis. Right. But the newer parties tend to have this spin of basically, because they hate Muslims, who's the best at killing Muslims and just killing a massive amount of Muslims? It's Israel, really. And so I think that there's a kind of an association and a love with that of like rank and file, but he also actually has like an association with some big backer who donates to an organization called like Friends of the IDF. I'm pretty confident that that is true that one of Tommy Robinson's key backers is this guy who's just, you know, a big funder of charities that tell you you need to like the IDF more and that they're poor victims of terrifying Hamas. But it's kind of, it's kind of an odd thing as well

because there's quite a lot of right wingers in the UK who are probably headed the same way. as Americans, you know, don't like the IDF anymore because Israel just kills lots of people and they're like, I don't think that we should be involved. In fact, they have this woman who sings awful songs at the pro right, at the rally, she performed live. And she was singing about how she didn't like Kea Stama because he got mixed, us mixed up in Israel drama, a beautiful rhyme and such. But obviously, Tommy Robinson. Yeah, I know. Daniel, you want to give that one a rating? that's solid especially in an English accent yeah yeah yeah I mean brilliant kind of stuff but it's kind of yeah it's like an interesting split that's going on in America where you have

some people but love Israel and tell you you need to support Israel because it's like the bastion of civilization and then others who are either just anti-semitic or don't like people being killed right and then others who are not elected officials getting paid to say it but yeah no it is it's interesting to see because you know um I I have seen, obviously, the same kind of shipped in American public opinion within conservative movements, which, you know, a lot of times are tied up into, like, you know, vaguely anti-Semitic to sometimes full-on Nazi-fied, you know, ideology. And, you know, the amount of public action that you see taking place in the UK, I feel like dwarfs the amount you see in the United States. States. It's not in terms of like numbers maybe necessarily, but more in terms of like

recently I think it was the British Paralympic team turned their backs on the Israeli Paralympic team during the national anthem during like the opening ceremonies. And that's just something you wouldn't see or we haven't yet seen the United States. You know, the amount of criticism that Israel takes, you know, even as small as it is by, you know, elected officials within the UK, it's still far and away more, I mean, it's better than what we got, you know, here in the United States. So I find it interesting that you'd still have this like far right party or far right figurehead who's still so clearly and openly. a paid shill for the

Hasbaris of the UK. You know, it feels like if, you know, if right-wing ideology is now coupled with populism, it feels like, I don't know, like it's not going to last.

That's how it feels to me. I don't know. We'll see. But I wanted to talk to you about Palestine action. This is a story that we've not like fully covered on the show yet, mostly because we were like, We need a British guy.

And we're like, we've got to get Chris. He's British. He has the accent. And yeah, can you tell us a little bit about what Palestine action is and what it means now that they're a proscribed, quote, terrorist organization or whatever? Yeah, so Palestine Action are a direct action group that have been around for about five years or so. but obviously since October the 7th they've really escalated and effectively their main their main point of concern in the UK is to do with elbit systems which is Israel's biggest

weapons manufacturer and effectively they just sort of drive cars and smash down the sort of security gates of these factories and then get inside of them and they'll spray you know high-tech equipment that is used to building Israeli weaponry drones and such and they that argument is drones is like they're their their biggest thing uh that they'll spray uh that they're essentially an Israeli drone-making company, primarily, and then other different, like, you know, machines of war. But, yeah, a lot of drones. And so the organization is, it basically revolves around that in terms of being a direct action organization that basically encourages, it kind of, I was reading through the government's report was leaked recently of like the reason

they were prescribed. And they do, whether intentional or not, they do attempt to make it seem like a terror organization in saying there'll be like there are different cells of Palestine action all over the UK, you know, that are teaching each other through their underground manual of how to do an action of what to do. But they've been very basically public on social media. They don't cover their faces generally. It's generally just people who go smash a weapons factory and then, you know, record it and publish it because they want to be arrested. And I think it's kind of in the same vein there's a few other organizations here, such as youth demand, just stop oil, and those are, those are kind of the main two, actually. Youth demands are newer one. But they kind of take direct

actions like blocking a road or something, and they do it for the climate. And then when people are arrested, they just sort of, you know, take the consequences. But people have got very serious charges. There's a group called the Filton 18 who have been awaiting trial for a long time for taking a direct action. And it's kind of an all over the UK kind of thing, because There are Elbit factions, factories in places like Bristol, up north. I believe there's one outside of Newcastle, which is like very northern UK. And these are places that are, you know, producing weapons that are being used by Israel to massacre and maim people currently.

Effectively, it's just about British complicity in Israel's genocide. Because obviously we're not selling as many weapons as America is because Britain is just a declining place. Right. There's still a major complicity. And it's such a powerful thing to be doing, really. Yeah. I mean, it's so direct, too. I mean, you know, you can't really get more. It's not like, you know, boycotting hummus, right? It's like this is a manufacturing plant. At least, you know, they'll, they will occupy manufacturing plants. They will spray paint or throw paint on different Elbit system like subsidiaries and whatnot, trying to stop other technology companies from working with them at all. I mean, it's very.

very direct, very simple A to B, you understand completely why they're doing what they're doing. And it seems like it's just overwhelmingly clear that this is a peaceful organization doing direct action. The physical harm is, for the most part, I mean, they pump up the numbers. They say, like, well, you say you're not violent, yet two of our employees were hurt during, your last, you know, whatever. Of course, we don't know the details of, you know, what happened. It's all just bullshit. I mean, we know that this is an organization that does acts of vandalism and acts of sit-ins and whatnot. That is peaceful protest. Whether or not property is damaged, that's peaceful protest. And, yeah. So that's kind of like the outgrowth. I think those are

organized by a group called defend our juries or defend the juries. I mean, if you look at that, document. There's a really beautiful part where it says that one of Palestine actions crimes is that they sought to intimidate a section of the population and it's bracketed Elbit system UK employees and influence the UK government. So that's basically what their crimes are. And there's one example of apparently a police officer somehow getting hit by a sledgehammer, but it seems kind of incongruent with the general actions, which are not like attack the police, but much rather attacking Israeli weapons factory, you know. Right. Exactly. I mean, listen, I'm sorry, but if you're a bobbie, as you call it, who is like taking a bullet or, you know,

or taking a hammer for a drone, that's on you. Don't jump in front of a fucking guy with a hammer who's trying to hit a drone. I'm sorry, that's on the bobbies, isn't it? But yeah, the prescription is something they've been trying to do for a while. What is this prescription business? What does it mean to proscribe a group? I know what the word means, but I'm asking, Chris, in terms of the legal designation of a group being proscribed,

because, I mean, it seems as if they become the activist group who shall not be named, to even speak their name at protests. I see people getting hauled off. Yeah. So, yeah, thank you. Thank you, Adam. The opposite is amateur scribe. That's inscribed by a pro.

I don't even have ratings in me today. I'm so fucking out of it. 10 out of 10 day quills. Talk to me about these proscriptions and how that's enforced and like, what does this mean? So in terms of it's like a legal categorization of basically once a group is prescribed, I think it's something that it's. under the 2001 or 2000 Terrorist Act. Yeah, the Terrorism Act of

2000, which apparently, I mean, you know, you can prescribe groups, you can essentially ban groups under this act and they added an amendment to it in order to make it, you know, more modern, I guess.

Yeah, there was, like, when it was first introduced, it's like war on terror legislation that's obviously not quite as bad as something like the Patriot Act, say, but it's still pretty extreme in the sense of like Jeremy Corbyn, all those years ago was like, oh, this will one day be abused in terms of expanding it to target civil liberties in a certain sense. And the previous groups that you look on there, and even, you know when it was prescribed, how they got it through, was that they put in three

organizations, Palestine Action, the Maniacs Murder Cult, and the Russian Imperial Movement. So it's quite like a big difference, you know. Like, I'm not sure the Maniacs Murder Cult has got anything interesting or like maybe important to say about society. But maybe Palestine action wasn't worth prescribing. I love that they had to find, okay, well, it can't just be them. We got to make it look real. It's like buying, you know, it's like, I can't just buy these condoms. I also have to buy, oh, I need toilet paper.

Like this, the maniac's murder cult. Wait a minute, hold on. There's a murder cult that calls itself the maniac's murder cult. I don't know. I believe they are a neo-Nazi group that calls itself. the maniacs murder cult which is like i'm you know that is uh sounds like a like a side project super group of like late 90s alt rockers or something right it's like what if corn and limp biscuit started a band with slip knot um yeah the maniacs murder cult i'm certain i'm certain that they

got like five guys and when they found out they're like finally hell yeah This is what we've been wanting. And then the... They sent Ballastine action. I thank you, Christmas Garden. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for legitimizing us. It's really hard to get attention

for a small outfit like ours. You know, we're just like, we've, to be honest, we've been suffering in terms of donations. It's gone down a lot since people decided they didn't like maniacs nor murder. My previous murder cult wasn't maniacal enough. A prescribing tide lifts all boats. Yeah.

Yeah, I love that they had to add to others. Like, they were like, oh, and by the way, you know, uh, well, Palestine action. I don't think that that was like, uh, something that was done unintentionally. Because how are you, you know, how are you not prescribing the maniac's murder card? If that's put on the table, you know, I think if you don't, it's kind of an endorsement of them. But yeah, like, uh, so that, so there's been like a long attempt to prescribe them for very obvious reasons because there are people getting money, not even if it doesn't even have to directly come from Israel, because it's people like, you know, weapons factories in the UK

because allowing one group to target specifically Israeli weapons factories and also they've obviously, they targeted an RAF base. I think it was Bryce Norton was the base that they targeted. But once you sort of allow a group like this, they're going to start looking at other British interests and the weaponry that we're making that is going to other places

to, you know, facilitate and participate in genocides or war crimes. Because I know when it came to the bombing campaign of Yemen, there was a lot of discussion around Britain, British made weapons used in, you know, like just bombing a wedding or bombing like a school bus or something like that. And they came out with the longest workaround to say, no, actually, that was fine

to, you know, bomb those children or whatever. And so it has like a wider implication in British society of this group will represent a kind of outgrowth into something bigger and direct action. But once it's prescribed, you can get up to 14 years. You cannot incite support for it. You cannot like wear insignias or things that show affiliation with this group. I would never. I think I mean at the protest I remember me and my friends were there and we saw someone with I support Palestine full stop action is needed now and it was like oh this person's not getting arrested and allegedly this person was arrested for wearing a t-shirt that said I support Palestine but it's producing all this ridiculous stuff

because you're designating it alongside a group like I don't know maniacs murdercult someone's wearing a t-shirt like a child wearing a plasticine action t-shirt a police officer like having to accost them and look at them. It's like such a, it's such a ridiculous problem for the police in the fact that like... Here's a video of one of these incidents where a man is detained in Scotland for wearing a t-shirt that says plasticine action. And you see him just like standing there and the police are, they're like on their radios and they're like, I, uh, what's all this then? The police are like very slowly spelling out the word and they're reporting.

it says P they're on their phone to base yeah sergeant says P L A yeah

T no P-L-A-S-T and by the time they get to the end of the world no that's plasticine stand down is that a time period

like Jurassic or is it more like an Alton craft supply doesn't matter the point is you can't arrest him for it like the fact that they're standing

there having to figure out like what do we do with this guy with a parody shirt like that doesn't how doesn't that ring alarm bells for the entire you know citizenry where they're like what are we doing here how can how can this be justified in any way in america there would be a sort of spoken and unspoken code of like the right of every citizen to free speech that would it would rankle some American instinct, I think, in the general populace. Is there that in Britain? That sense that there's a British core value that's under severe threat here, or is that just not a value? Or is it just like a, oh, stiff upper lip. I'm sorry, by the way, if any of this. Siff upper lip because you're, because it's crazy glued to your lower lip. Well, I was very impressed

with Daniel's British impression. I've got to say much more than yours, Matt, I'm afraid. Mine's kind of perfect. I don't understand. I feel like. I feel like. Like, you don't understand Britain the way I do. That's because I've watched sexy beast many times. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. In terms of how it's like incense people, I saw someone reporting this. Apparently when Palestine action was first designated, only 29 supporters showed up with those placards saying, I support Palestine action. I oppose genocide. I support Palestine action. Now, I don't know if you've read the police commissioner of the UK.

talking about people going floppy? Going floppy? Yeah, there's a serious issue in the UK with people going floppy. You what? What does it mean to go floppy? I really hope that there's a way that you can maybe pull this up. If you search going floppy on Twitter, it's like a thing of British, basically, this is a complaint from a while ago.

And this is if you meet someone who's in, this touch has gone floppy. if you meet someone who's involved in this stuff they'll tell you that one of the techniques is if you get arrested if you just lie down and go floppy basically the police yeah the police officers have to have to go and like pick you up with like four people

and it becomes an absolute balladay this is a classic civil disobedience it's a Gandhi and Martin Luther Kinningian it's also literally what my two year old does when she doesn't want to go. Either it's go to the bath, go take a nap.

She just floppy completely. It's weird that I like that even as a two-year-old. You're like, fuck the police. But yeah, here is some writing I found on this. One of Britain's most senior police officers has launched an angry tirade

against extinction rebellion protesters going, oh floppy, when they get arrested. Sir Stephen House, the Deputy Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said the tactic of going lip was a flipping nuisance. It's a flopping nuisance. Come on, man. As it required extra officers to drag away, drag protesters away. House told a London Assembly Police and Crime Committee hearing, we have awesome assault being floppy.

We are to, and that might seem like a silly thing to say. But when we arrest them and pick them up, they go all floppy, which is why you see four or five officers carrying them away. It's a complete waste of the officers' time and a complete pain in the neck. It doesn't seem like a silly thing to say. It seems like something out of a Monty Python sketch. He said, the problem with them going floppy and four officers carrying them away is it looks to the general public like police are overreacting here. We're not going to, we're not making them and go floppy.

They're just sort of being a nuisance. I love the British. Excuse me, protesters whom we are arresting for exercising what should be your basic inalienable rights to free speech. Can you stop making us look like ponses? Yeah, exactly. You're making us look bad with the floppy move. And I mean, so I think that when you talk about like this British sensibility that the

Americans probably have more, I feel like this is what provokes it, you know. I don't know if you've seen the videos but there's that old blind guy who's been carried away two times and it just looks so ridiculous and this is also the thing about Palestine activism in the UK so this kind of stuff is obviously

kind of like a new thing in terms of people getting mass arrested for Palestine-related things however Palestine the main thing in the UK is something called PSC that has wanted nothing to do with Palestine action and they're like treated as this evil

anti-Semitic bunch of people if you go around any rural town in the UK it's just old women and old men who are kind of like Israel's biggest threat in the UK who you are told are like making Jewish people unsafe and sometimes you get like a mixture of like people it depends where you are in the UK sometimes you get like sort of a hippie

from the 90s and 80s who believe some interesting things about Israel to say the least but most of the time it's just older people who are like supportive of Palestine including older like military personnel here's one video so here's a here's a man going old floppy

being carried off and he looks to be you know wearing some sort of military I mean he's got a lot of metals I don't know if he was RAF or what he was but it's like

you know this it looks as ridiculous as it's meant to I mean that's the thing about this type of action is it's meant to show the ridiculous like the ridiculousness of having a law

that makes it illegal to say that you are sitting in support of, you know, that you can wear a shirt that says Palestine action on it, you know? I mean, Hamas, Hamas as an organization wasn't even fully prescribed until 2020 or 2021. So the Qasam brigades have always been prescribed as in the military wing, but the political wing was not prescribed. It wasn't prescribed in much of Europe, like much of Europe was just like, yeah, probably

shouldn't prescribe the political wing because however we feel about them, they govern the Gaza strip. Right. We still got to, we still got to talk. to somebody. Exactly. And now you're just looking at this. And it just shows you kind of how ridiculous this act really is and how, I mean,

Ilan Pape was accused of being a fan of terrorism by someone who went to my university. More like Elon Flape, am I right? Yeah. Ilan Paupe is going floppy. Because he wrote that like Hamas were brave. And so obviously this was like a serious thing about after October the 7th, he called them brave. And there's an article where it's like, Ilan Pape,

was asked for a comment and he was like, I have to respect the government's decision, but as like an expert, I don't agree with it in the sense of like, this is like a really neutering thing in terms of discourse about Palestine in the sense of like, you know, certain groups are doing things around the world like targeting civilians in heinous ways. But I think that this kind of shows you there's also an arbitrary nature to it. And it creates such a spectacle. And it's been one of the biggest problems for the UK because when there were the encampments in the UK, none of them got dealt with. as heavy-handedly as the US, you know, you didn't see like the police go, and I mean, this is a crazy thing that I feel like it's ignored. There were police on there shooting students with rubber bullets. And it's probably smarter to reduce activism and to reduce the spectacle of it, not to do that. And the UK of all was kind of not done this kind of stuff, have not sent the police in very heavy-handedly.

And now they're arresting 890 plus people, no, sorry, 800-plus people, near enough 900, who are old, who are disabled, who are, like, young, who are just obviously not evil terrorists. Who are descendants of Holocaust survivors, too. And one of the funniest things I see, just one of the strangest things about watching these scenes coming out of England, is that there's a combination of the heavy hand in this. They are going to carry you out of there, no matter how floppy you are.

But first, they're going to go through this ritual of politeness, of courtesy. Excuse me, excuse me, sir. Hello, Gatner. Excuse me, Matt. Excuse me, excuse me. Superior practitioners of the English accent are at work right now. Excuse me? Can we just take a back seat?

All right, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, then. Excuse me, sir. You are in violation of the prescription code. We're going to ask you to remove your offending t-shirt. Will you do that? No. Well, sir, I'm going to have to ask you one more time to please once again remove the offending garment.

No, you are going to physically remove you now from the pay? I'm going to go floppy I would kindly ask you not to go floppy I'd come in courtesy It makes me look like a right idiot Doggy floppy do We're going to be a right Cuffo Winnie

How's this not a good accent I respect it in the Lee Kern video Doesn't it sound like most of the guys you know It sounds like Lee Kern Yeah that's what I'm saying He's representative I'm going to dine out on Chris's Chris's ruling on my accent

for quite a while. I know you are, you son of a bitch. Everybody likes my accent. It's not about how accurate it is. No, it's about how correct it is in your heart. That's right.

I would say that there's also one other thing about this, which is also so ridiculous, which is they're a counter-proteous every time. They have like 30 people. There's sort of a mixture of just far-right people, probably a very small number of actually Jewish people. And there's this one sort of crazy black guy who loves Netanyahu who loves Israel doing genocide

he loves it there are interviews with him and he's sort of being very weird with the reporter as well who's a woman but either way they blast out music that is like painful to your ears and it's we are the champions and they sing it but this guy sings we are the champions you have no country they're protected by

like hundreds of police like maybe 50 police officers so it's a waste of police resources if they're crying about the floppy people you know defending the people singing we are the champions flying IDF flags, it's crazy, you know, that like on the one hand, you have old people being arrested for saying, I oppose genocide, I support Palestine action. And then on the other hand, you have some crazy guy that's like, yeah, I think it would be good if we killed more women and children.

And it's like, yeah, that's good and acceptable discourse. But on the other hand, maybe questioning whether it's right to sell weapons to Israel. Now, you know. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, you, you know, it's, um, what do you guys say? It's, uh, it's, uh, yeah. Up the apples and pears. I don't know what that means. It just kind of popped in my head. Stairs, doesn't it? Yeah.

Stairs. It sounds like crazy to me. You guys should change that. Tell the cockney wharfels to change that. Cockney rhyme and slang is incredible. It is. I love it because it's like there's so many different, you have to like, you have to know all the different points of reference and then you get there.

But yeah, no, I mean, you see what they're calling a waste of resources. And it's like, you know, I don't disagree. it is a waste of resources for you to arrest these people and it's their job to make you waste your resources. Right, that's right so you know, it's like... The patheticness of asking

nonviolent civil disobedient protesters to be more cooperative with you. What they're trying to do is make it harder for you to enforce the unjust dictates that you're

supposed to enforce. just that mean yeah it's so stupid i mean especially uh the way in which he was complaining about it because it is so you got to be i mean it's a truism in the united states as well as like if you're a cop it's uh it means you you're not the smartest you know fucking you're not the sharpest tool and tool shit or whatever it's like you are a fucking idiot and in this case yeah this guy is a fucking moron it's just like i don't understand why people aren't you know making it easier for me to arrest them they're causing a spectacle i did not expect that um yeah it's it's wild and just you know in terms of the stuff that palestine action does

uh it is it's pretty rad i mean there's a video uh that i got which i i love and i've watched this a few times and just been like man i wish we had a painting of uh balfour But Balfour is a British man, and there was a pending of him at... Balfour, I grew up in Vancouver on a street called West 22nd Avenue, but just on the other side of the Cross Street, Oak Street, started this sort of much more tony neighborhood, like a much more aristocratic neighborhood, and West 22nd becomes Balfour Avenue. And look at that. All of the street names are named after British lords.

Oh, I'll see. Yeah, that's right. Selkirk, Hudson. That's right. I forget that, like, Canada used to be, like, a British thing. Do you guys still have the queen on your money? Yeah, I think so. Fucking, I've got a Canadian 20 here somewhere.

I can confirm, man. This is why in America we don't respect Canada. Well, but it might be the king now that the queen is dead. The king! Oh, long live him! So, all right. but here's here is the

this is an action that took place I think a few months ago in which they yeah they went to a where the fuck did it go University of Manchester I think if it's oh there it is yeah yeah here is them defacing

awful balfu and here's the here's the look at this They're spray painting his picture, which badass, and then boom, slashing that shit. I mean, they do great work. They do great work. They definitely improved upon that painting. Oh, yeah, it looks way better now.

You know, it's not even an original. It's a copy that painting. They were getting upset and incensed over it. But also, it's kind of stupid. If you're like a British nationalist, getting involved in Palestine, was like a disastrous decision. Even like British, British army officers and like people on the ground.

Some of them were like, don't do that. Just what are you doing here? This is a ridiculous decision to be making. And then they were all up in arms over like, all these people who love the empire were up in arms over like, look what these Palestine actionists have done. And it's like, bro, you should like that. Yeah.

Isn't there a sense of UK patriotism over the fact that like... They bombed the King David Hotel? Exactly. Yeah. Like, I mean, in terms of like terrorist organizations hurting British soldiers in the Middle East kind of feels like they'd be talking a little bit more about, I don't know, the Argoon or, you know,

the Stern gang or any of these fucking like these right-wing Zionist organizations, you know, pre-48. But no, that doesn't matter. That's all in the past, isn't it? Well, I think it's, I will say, there's part of me that is jealous of this kind of repression because I feel like in the United States it is true what you were saying that in general

I think even even the conservative right wingers you know even MAGA people would be like you you're not allowed to do that police if someone's wearing a shirt they can wear whatever shirt they want now of course that always switches you you know it's like if you were to wear a shirt now that was like a meme about how Charlie Kirk is dead, they would try to kill you and your whole family or at the very least docs you.

So I'm not saying that, you know, necessarily it holds up in every situation. But I saw Matt Walsh being like, cancel culture on the left and right is absolutely not the same thing. Cancel culture, the left tries to cancel you for saying things that are true. The right cancels you for saying things

that are abhorrent and disgusting. We are not the same. I'm like, yeah, you, sorry, you sound exactly like the people you hate. Yeah, yeah, they are. They are exactly the people that they hate. But worse, because they're always doing it in support of the ruling class. It's like, it's like, you're right. The cancel culture is not the same, but you are doing cancel culture for the sake of the ruling class.

But yeah, so part of me wishes, you know, like, oh, I wish they would. Now, of course, I say that knowing full well that it is very possible that they, will in the United States, you know, a bridge, you know, at least more explicitly abridged the First Amendment to stop people from, you know, waving a Palestinian flag or whatnot. But in the UK, it does seem like particularly ridiculous. I just, I don't know how anyone who is a citizen of, you know, the UK is not looking at this and being like, this, this can't hold. How can we continue to prosecute these people for wearing a fucking shirt? It's ridiculous.

I think there was even someone who wasn't arrested because they displayed a Palestine action flag in their house window. And so that's not a crime because it's in your own private house. It's so arbitrary and ridiculous. And as well, it's playing. into the logic that all of these groups have wanted for years, that Extinction Rebellion just stop oil, they thought that they could overwhelm the UK's juries and our justice system by basically getting people mass arrested. And I know that some people I've spoken to have said that there are

problems in how some younger people were pressured to be arrested in previous iterations of this group. But now, getting people arrested for holding up a sign. Like, I mean, this is crazy, like people normally wouldn't be talking. And someone put it like this on Twitter, I saw a while ago. They said, we have had so many Palestine marches in the UK. They attract, it seems at minimum, like 100,000 plus people. We've had one that I'm sure was like a multiple hundreds of thousands, perhaps up to a million people. And it's not implausible.

There was, against the Iraq war, there were huge protests. But at the same time, none of those protests are spoken about in British media. It's just like, oh, a few thousand people attended a Palestine protest in London today. And unless, like, I don't know, there's some kind of clash with police or counter-protesters, which have happened so rarely, they don't get reported on. This, there's no way to fudge the numbers. You have to report. Okay, yeah, 800 plus people got arrested today for holding up a sign

and they have to show footage. And they have to talk about it. And so you've kind of ended up in a situation where the British police have cultivated a problematic situation for themselves in terms of overfilling our legal system. And you could just, I mean, you can get away with crimes, it seems, in the UK anyway. But also just, also basically just being. able to, sorry, just having to talk about this, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's great.

I, I'm interested to see what happens. Like I said, especially with the fact that it does seem like a much larger percentage of not just the British, like, you know, citizenry, but also the actual elected officials, a much larger percentage than here seem to be critical of the Israeli government, even if their criticism is, of course, neutered and, you know, all British. shit um but like it is just utter disrespect speaking to this english guest of ours you know what i'm yeah you know your style which is essentially cuck neutered you're basically unix i'm saying we're worse it's not offensive because i'm saying we're way worse at i mean we don't have we have our most to the left politician wouldn't even say the word genocide to like tuesday fair like at the very

at least you guys have people saying shit in the British way. Limited though. It's limited in the sense of like our ruling class just have like a well like Kea Starman stuff just have a perverse desire to just cling to Israel when it's such an easy win to up his position in the numbers like to

actually do any of the stuff that they've spoken about and they just made up sanctioning Israel they were like oh we're not granting them offensive weapons licenses it's just insane. We're going to recognize the existence of a state of your enemies if you don't slightly stop the genocide right but i mean you know it's like as ridiculous as that is uh it is um

not something you would see even like a little bit of uh in terms of the leadership of the quote left party in the united states yep so you know again they're hedging they're neutered they're british or oh i'm a bit naked but still it's better than us um but also all all I'll do respect to the British people. I, of course, love you all. The way you talk, as obviously you're born that way, I can't, you know, I am not faulting you for it. But we do need to take a bit of a break.

So everyone, please stick around. Let's just the commercials. And we will be right back. And we're back. This is Bad As Barra, World's Most Moral Party. podcast here with Chris Kanzler. What's that, dog? Not too much.

Not too much. Chris, we meant to ask you this off the top, but now is as good a time as any. You said you're 24, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So how, what's the, take us through the trajectory here, the plot arc. How does a 24-year-old bloke such as yourself end up such an in-demand content creator and serious analyst, really, of propaganda and politics?

things like that. How did you get started when and to what do you attribute the fact that more people have asked for you to be on this show than virtually any other guest? I would say that the main sort of reason for like getting into Palestine related stuff was when I was 16, I just so happened to go to like our school library because I knew that we were going to learn about Palestine the next year for part of a module, the Middle East. So, but it was kind of focused on Palestine a bit. and I ended up just picking up on Palestine by Noam Chomsky and Ilan Pape and I read it and I was like it's quite weird that I just don't know anything about this and like I was not very well I was political but it was more just like political through browsing the internet you know

and just falling down into rubbish nonsense of like leftist gets owned by in debate and then so I started to read about it and I started to like understand Palestine a bit and then I just found it the most interesting out of the Middle East and I'd always liked history but I kind of just I don't know. I started reading about the Middle East and I was like, whoa, this place is really interesting. And then it just so happened that I, like, fucked up my A levels, which are kind of like, it's when you're 17 to 18, so it's like the end of sort of high school, I guess you'd call it, just before you go to university. And on the, like, we have this thing called clearing. And so I'd wanted to go to Exeter. They still offered me a place, but it was at their other campus, which is like in deepest, darkest Cornwall, which is very pretty, but it's like a shit place to live.

There's nothing nearby. No road infrastructure. Well, there are roads, but it takes ages to get anywhere. And so I ended up looking at courses and there was one called Middle Eastern Studies and I was like, oh, this actually sounds way better than doing history, which I probably would have ended up not enjoying. And so at university, I just happened to be really lucky that Ilan Pape was one of the lecturers, which everyone's like, oh my God, you were taught by Elan, which is in part true, but it was like modules and supervision for like one module and stuff and like being taught by him in a couple over the four years I was there. But generally it's just like a surprisingly good Middle East center because Rosemary Zahlan Saeed, who's Edward Saeed's sister, was heavily involved in setting it up. So it has like brilliant stuff related to the Gulf and just more and more learning about it. And then I took a year out because I was like, right, specialising in Middle Eastern studies is not really the best idea unless you kind of want to go into working in the Middle East, working for some probably horrible Saudi company or something. Right.

Or working in the army or doing something related to intelligence, which. were all options that weren't really of interest. And so I was just working kind of jobs I didn't enjoy. And then I thought, oh, I quite like the Middle East and Palestine and stuff. Why don't I start talking about it on the internet? And TikTok just happened to be like, it's so simple to use. YouTube feels a bit daunting in the sense of, oh, you need to edit your video through some software and, you know, you need like a decent setup.

I literally just put my phone on like balanced on a laptop. And I was like, uh, this cancel culture is bullshit. But about Palestine, cancel culture matters in. like January of 2023, I think I did that. Yeah, January of 2023. And then from there, people started enjoying the content and it started to get like a decent amount of views. And I was like, oh, you know what, maybe there's something in this. Because if people like me talking about, you know, why the Middle East doesn't have democracy and this is normally something that no one cares about unless you're at university, maybe there's scope to talk about this. And then, so throughout

the year, I just kept talking about it. And yeah, that's kind of like how I got into making the TikTok content and just obviously October the seventh happened. And, and, Since then, it's been like a hyper focus on Palestine. I was starting to like make other videos, but I was still talking about Palestine mostly. But yeah, since October the 7th has basically just been Palestine because right, as you well know, there's so much of like an element of just right shit on the internet. I mean, especially, you know, you talk about like the cancel culture aspect of it is so interesting. You know, and I've always felt the same way, which is like the way in which people talked about cancel culture.

If you were on the right, you were turning it into, you know, something that it wasn't where it's just like, you know, acting like it's a violation of free speech for someone to be mad at you for the words that you say. And then on the left, there was this kind of like blanket dismissal of like, you know, oh, there is, you know, no cancel culture whatsoever. And I've always, as someone who's, you know, also been in the space for a while, I've been like, no, there is a cancel culture that exists. And it is mainly if you talk about Palestine. If you in any way advocate for the human rights of Palestinians, then you'll actually experience real cancel culture, not just like people online trolling you or doxing you or

whatnot, but actual consequences from above, from the actual government consequences. And of course, that got supercharged after October 7th. It was, you know, and it wasn't just supercharged in the way that like I don't know governments are writing legislation to make it illegal right you know as you have experienced as we've just talked about but also just the shroud of silence you know among people in industries that um are precarious to be a part of such as the entertainment industry after October 7th people um you know in Los Angeles actors and writers and directors everyone just was fucking dead silent no one was saying a goddamn thing and uh that's you know for me one of the impetus is to create this podcast

was because i was like they're putting out all this material all of this bad has barra and no one's making fun of it if it were any other country colbert would be doing a fucking monologue set every night about this but because they're all cowards no one was doing it um Which leads me to my next subject, which is people in the industry are speaking out now. It's taken a while, but now I'm seeing it, and it's making me happy. So the Emmys happened over the weekend, and there were a couple of key moments of protest against Israel during the Emmys. So the first that I'm going to play is Friendo of the Pod, Javier Bardem, He came out and said this...

He called it. Yeah, dude. On the red carpet, he said this. Here I am today denouncing the genocide in Gaza. I'm talking about the IAGS, which is the International Association of Genocide Scholars, who studied thoroughly genocide and has declared it is a genocide. And that's why we ask for a commercial and diplomatic blockade and also sanctions on Israel to stop the genocide, free Palestine.

I mean rocking up baller kaffia too yeah I know that was slick it looked great and also

at this point now that this is starting to happen more frequently I was like you know what we need a sting we need a sting for people who are in the industry

who are finally speaking out so ladies and gentlemen it's time for a brand new segment friendo the pod friendo the pod

thank you Thank you. Perfect. So that happened. And then comedian and, uh, IRL homie, Hannah Einbinder, won an Emmy and said this during her Emmy speech. It was the last few words of her Emmy speech. Here we go.

Finally, um, go birds. Um, fuck ice and free Palestine. Thank you. Hell. Yes. Hannah. How long have you known Hannah? I've known Hannah now for, I don't know.

I mean, it's comedy world, so since like 2017 or something like that. So for a while, I first, we met at Sketchfest like in San Francisco and I saw her do this great bit that just ended with her singing Jerusalem of gold for no reason. And I immediately was like, that's hilarious. I need to be friends with this person. Um, and Hannah has been one of the rare voices who has occasionally said some stuff. Uh, and, you know, as especially more recently, you know, has been involved in some direct actions. Um, she gave a great speech that we, I think we've talked about on the pod. Um, she, she joined a sit in at, uh, at some politician's office. Yes. With JVPLA. Yeah. So very cool stuff. And both of these people, Javier and Hannah both recently signed the, uh, uh, Film Workers for Palestine Pledge to boycott Israeli cultural institutions that they deem complicit in human rights abuses against Palestinians. This pledge, which is garnered over 4,000 signatories includes actors and directors

like Emma Stone, Joaquin Phoenix, Mara Rooney, and aims to draw attention to the issue citing inspiration from the boycott that helped end apartheid in South Africa. So it is a big deal, you know, and as much as I think we want to denigrate celebrities, I think, a little bit, you know, for the fact that it's like, you know, they hedge their bets a lot, they hedge their words and their actions, the effectiveness of culturally isolating Israel is, like, I can't, like, it can't be understood. stated. They hate it. They hate not being allowed to be a, you know, celebrated in the same way that, you know, other countries are. They don't like being isolated. They want to be part of it. And you can see them adjusting to it in real time. Like, they're getting it through their thick skulls that this is not going to stop. It's going to get worse. And the reaction to Hannah's speech has really been a case of, dude. It really has. It really has.

Another friend of the pod, but ironically, Henmezegh is back. And Hen recently wrote this article. It came out literally a few hours after she made this speech, which just leads me to believe that he had the speech ready to go and he was just going to put in whoever's name said anything during the Emmys. But he wrote this for the Hollywood Reporter. Here we go. Okay, so this article in the Hollywood reported by,

Henn Mazzig is called, no, Hannah, that wasn't brave. I'm sorry, but the literal fucking title of this is him denying something she never fucking said. That's right. She didn't say, I'll go up there and say, free Palestine, go birds, I'm brave. Like, no, Hannah, that wasn't brave. Very defensive. Brave would have been saying, go Browns.

Right. Yeah, exactly. Pick a historically denigrated football team to celebrate. True courage would have meant calling for peace, for coexistence for the humanity of both Israelis and Palestinians, even if it risked booze instead of applause, writes Israeli activist Hen Mazig. Yes, famous activist.

Yeah, famous activist. Now, how soon do you think he's going to drop his identity into the proceedings? I mean, I'm surprised it wasn't in the headline. last line yeah i mean yeah it's got to be the first line let's do it yep as a queer jew oh god how dare how dare any of these motherfuckers call any of us an as a jew you you can't that all they do is as a their whole their whole line is as a blank as a queer as a jew as a brown yeah as a queer jew son of refugees from iraq and tunisia berber who has dedicated my life to fighting

anti-Semitism, I read Hannah Einders Emmy Knight comments with sadness and fear. When the Hacks actor signed a pledge to boycott Israeli film institutions and used her platform to declare free Palestine,

she no doubt believed she was doing something bold, even righteous. But what she did wasn't brave, it was populist, and it was dangerous. What is that sentence? It wasn't brave, It was populist? I mean, it's this, I think it's, him saying is like, no, this, it's, it's populace.

It's like, yeah. Oh, you're just, you're just catering to the crowd. Yeah, you're, you're pandering. You're doing the easy thing. Yes. And he's using, you know, populace to also, I don't know, as a dog whistle for Nazi. You know, he's saying, you're doing right-wing populism. That's what he's doing.

And it was dangerous. There is nothing risky about parroting the most popular slogan in Hollywood. Fucking what? There's nothing risky about saying the words that got Susan Sarandon Academy Award-winning legend of Hollywood fired from her talent agency. Yes, no, there's nothing brave at all about doing something that literally I know at least 10 people personally. And many of whom I've been on the podcast who have lost jobs, lost representation, lost the

fucking project that they were once working on due to. saying not even saying free Palestine due to wearing a pin due to uh writing a tweet that you know supported a a charity in fucking Gaza I like the world that these motherfuckers live in where they're just like well everyone if there's one thing people know about Hollywood is they know that they love freeing Palestine it's what their favorite type of movies are those free Palestine movies well look I mean choosing unemployment is the easy choice I Absolutely. I mean, who wants to work? Who wants to work? Exactly.

There's also just the thing of progression in any job. It is better to keep your head down and do nothing. The universities, look who's the, of course, there's progressive professors, but look who's in senior positions. Yes. So was some right-wing guy who's done, who does nothing, no activism, no, nothing. Yes. I thought the most popular slogan in Hollywood was Slava, Ukraine.

I mean, honestly, the most popular slogan in Hollywood is, well I mean obviously I don't agree with what he does in his personal life but his movies are great that's right that's the most popular slogan in Hollywood fuck off yeah oh my god wearing a pin or signing an open letter won't cost you jobs or red carpet invites yes it will yes it has yes it does I'm so mad if anything it buys you applause but for millions of Jews it comes to the cost our safety yeah you felt i'm sure you felt very unsafe when you immediately were able to get this article into the hollywood reporter just yeah a poor jew was was was was walking down the streets of tosa oklahoma yesterday was was was a caught or this morning was accosted by a

group of rednecks who said hey jew yeah yeah come here jew yeah we heard hannah binders speech last night and it's bold my favorite my favorite show is hacks now give me your funny hat. I really like the way it gives you insight into comedy writers rooms. And I enjoy the openly queer undertones of the main characters. And Gene Smart is an underrated legend. Yeah, absolute legend. Sleigh queen. Anyways, get here, Jew. It's just the gall to write something like this that, you know, I'm under attack because someone said free Palestine. Yes. And he's apparently like this nice face of Zionism who's like moderate

it's just the same as Netanyahu yes yeah exactly and especially him saying it because this by the way is his job I mean the New York Times did an entire fucking like feature on this guy where they talked about he is a whisper to the

stars on the Middle East conflict many in Hollywood have struggled to navigate how to talk about their support for Israel on social media some of them have turned to Henme Zieg for advice. This is his whole fucking beat. And for him to just like literally stand there and be like, when I saw this, I was like, what?

How could someone say this? You are paid to be the person who writes this article. Put the photo of him back up from the New York Times. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. You want to see? Here he is. Uh, what, there.

Has anyone ever seen him and Hassan Piker in the same room together at the same time? I know. He's kind of just like, he's like Wario Piker. except for, you know, I'm like 99% sure he's 5'4. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different. Different proportions. Different proportions.

Different proportions. What I'm saying is that, you know, Hassan is a very, very tall guy. But yes, he, listen, Hen is also a very handsome man. I'm not saying he's not handsome. What I'm saying is that he's a shill for a genocidal government. Yeah, absolutely. Which is worse. Okay, now here we have to go tying some disparate strings together

and trying to make an argument because he's made a pretty bold claim here that Anna Einbinder's two-word slogan or Emmy Wain is making him unsafe. That's right. The claim that anti-Israel rhetoric is separate from anti-Semitism collapses under the weight of reality. Jews are attacked on the streets of New York,

stabbed in Europe, shot in synagogues in Pittsburgh and Poet by people who believe the same conspiracy theories anti-Israel activists spread. I'm sorry, but is Hen talking about the Tree of Life synagogue shooting that happened? Must be. Was it 2021? Or whenever it happened, it was. It was, he was a out and out Nazi. He was someone who was like, Trump isn't Nazi enough.

Like this is a, it is just, it is so disingenuous. The words free Palestine did not escape that man's lips. No, not at fucking all. And also it's like the language here is important who believe the same conspiracy theories that anti-Israel activists spread. I'm sorry. The conspiracy theory that you, saying free Palestine people's main conspiracy theory is what the great replacement theory you

fucking disingenuous loser that is in Palestine great replacement is not a theory it's practice exactly history that's actually it's the closest thing Israel has to a constitution yeah does he does he ever write about Elon Musk because you know Elon Musk spread that conspiracy you know the exact conspiracy of he commented on that person saying you have said the truth about them saying Jewish people are bringing over immigrants to our society. Yes, to do white genocide. Yeah, no, I mean, just like the ADL, Hen has a bit, he's a bit more like cautious when it comes to right-wingers who are in power

who say something blatantly anti-Semitic. They're like, whoa, whoa, listen, we've all gotten a little drunk and called cop sugar tits and then chastised Jewish police officer. you know, Mel Gibson style. But if you're wearing a kaffia, I mean, that's literally Hitler style. That's what I'm saying. A Jew being punched in Los Angeles

doesn't care that his attacker says it's about Israel. He cares that there is a fist in his face. I'm saying. A Jew being punched in Los Angeles... Are you talking about me? Listen, if you don't want to punch me in the face, punch me in the face. But if you say it's about Israel, I'm going to be like, oh, okay.

let me explain I will a little bit feel like better if you say it's about Israel be like okay okay well first of all don't do it but second of all At least it's not about some joke that he didn't like Exactly exactly Just this past May

A gunman opened fire outside the Capitol Jewish Museum in Washington D.C. during a reception hosted by the American Jewish community killing a Jewish woman and her partner not just a Jewish woman and her partner and Israeli government affiliated.

Israeli government yeah affiliate like they worked at the I mean you know again this isn't I'm not excusing people doing acts of political violence but this whole thing

it's like whenever you talk about or criticize anything having to do with Israel it's just like they immediately conflated with all Jews this is an attack on all Jews no it's absolutely fucking not

witnesses says the Shooter shouted free Palestine. Hannah Einbinder did not condemn it. Instead, she repeated it on stage. Do you want to play this game? You want to fucking play this game? By this logic, I would ban the phrase M. Israel High. Yeah.

Like, how many times has that been fucking said before killing actual fucking, like, children? You know what I mean? Yeah. Fuck you, dog. Ban the Israeli National Anthem, ban the flag. Hannah should know there is no such thing

as a good Jew who can launder anti-Semitism the good Jews trope the ones who sign boycott pledges or reassure progressives that this isn't about hatred are always used as cover okay hold on

what trope are you talking you're the one who makes that a trope yes you're the one who says good Jew you're the one who every time someone who is Jewish speaks out for the rights of Palestinians is like, oh, so you're one of them good Jews. You're doing it. Yeah. And also, don't write a sentence since there's no such thing as a good Jew. Because that kind of sounds like you're just repeating a Nazi talking point. Right. The only good Jew is a dead Jew.

Henmezeg. Henmezeg said it. That's what he said. That's what he said. True, yeah. And we just repeated it. And at the end of the day, the people demanding good Jews. No one's ever demanded a good Jew. Cyril, fetch me a Jew. Make him a good one this time. I wish to have some sport. I keep going to the store and buying bad Jews.

I just want a nice, ripe Jew. It's also just funny because this article is a perfect example of why I don't like Hen Mazieg. It has nothing to do with him being Jewish. It's just being so self-righteous in the face of a genocide and just being so incensed by the world. words, free Palestine. Like, I don't care about this guy's Jewishness. I don't care that he's gay or from a Berber.

I care that he's really, really annoying and loves genocide. Yeah. Yeah. At the end of the day, the people demanding good Jews don't actually believe there is anything good about being Jewish. You're the one who said there's no such thing as a good Jew. Yeah. And you're the one who said it.

Your words. That is why Einbinder's words sting so deeply. She is not just a comedian with a platform. She is a Jewish comedian. When she singles out Israel, the one Jewish state in the world, home to half of global jury, she is telling millions of us that the single most unifying part of our identity is illegitimate. Yes. That's a lie as well.

The single most unifying part is just killing and oppressing Palestinians, you know? Right. Gives you some other to blame. That's what holds it together. Yeah. But, I mean, also, it's just like calling it, you know, saying, it's clearly not the single most unifying part of anyone's fucking identity unless your entire identity is based on the fact that you have an ethno state but saying that it's like oh you know

you're delegitimizing um jewish people's connection to israel yes good yeah this this is what needs to happen yeah and you're and you're allowed to say hey the single most unifying part of your identity is illegitimate yeah say that to nazi germans Yes, you've rallied around a false idol. You've turned your Germanness, which was once the legacy of Beethoven and Goethe and mountain climbers or some shit. Yeah, absolutely, right? Chocolate.

Yeah, little. They used to be, oh, I love chocolate, yummy, yummy, you know. In my tummy. Yeah, yummy, yummy in mine tummy. It tastes so good to eat many chocolates. But now you've replaced that. you've replaced that with a false identity that's based on self-destruction and the destruction of everyone around you.

That's a legitimate. You're allowed to do that. And here, Hen, as a queer Jew, a Berber Jew, whatever, he's drawing on left liberal identity politics language and saying, don't delegitimize my identity. My truth. When you claim, as Hanna did, that the Jewish religion and culture is. an important contribution to humanity that stands outside of the ethno state essentially hen is saying you're dead naming us that's who we were before is right yes yes a hundred

percent that is that is his argument and it's uh you know it it doesn't hold water at all because the way i mean listen this type of liberal Zionist rhetoric is pretty much dead at this point it really only exists for the Hollywood crowd, for the liberal Hollywood crowd. That's why it's in the Hollywood reporter. That's why he's writing a whole fucking article about it, because again, the cultural part of the boycott, the cultural stain that this is left on, not just like Israel as a state, but Israelis. And anyone who supports the genocide is, yeah, it's disturbing. That's why he's writing about it when he says, like, you know, what was the previous sentence. He goes, like, um, he says, uh, hold on, let me find it. He the, do,

do, do, hold on. That's why, that's why, uh, Einbinder's words sting so deeply. Uh, no, the reason it stings deeply is because she was at the Emmys. Yeah. That's why. Yeah. That's why. Could I, I feel like just imagining post, like pre-October the seventh world of someone like Javier Bardem just coming out unequivocally saying an event, is, Israel is doing genocide or the Spanish, you know, the leader of Spain coming out and saying, Israel should be sanctioned. It's unimaginable to Israel. And people like Hen Maziga, just these people who are trying to cling to try and keep that unimaginable,

rather than saying, like even some Israelis say, you know, like, oh, Israel's done all these things to itself. And we're increasingly isolated because of what we do. It's just a lack of a willingness to reflect, to reflect on anything. And a desire to center these feelings over the feelings of people in Palestine. Like, why would these, as like a person living in the UK, why would the feelings of Henmezeg about someone saying free Palestine matter more than the feelings of someone in Gaza being subjected to violence unless I'm just predisposed to hating Palestinians because I think they're backwards? 100%.

It's really insane. Yes. And it's kind of relying on the, you know, people's dehumanization of Palestinians. It relies on our, you know, previous consensus that like, When it comes to human life, some are worth more than others. And to kind of assume naturally that we're all going to be equally offended by this, really kind of, I mean, you're showing your cards. You're showing to everybody that you're like, you're someone who does not value

and thinks that everyone else should not value Palestinian life or dignity or human rights. Meanwhile, you're willing to throw Jewish safety completely under. the bus in the name of Jewish safety, as we see in the next paragraph. But the truth is that according to a Pew Research Survey in 2021, interesting that you're citing something from 2021, wonder what the numbers would be now. More than 80% of American Jews say they are pro-Israel. Add that to the half of the world's Jews who live in Israel, and it becomes clear. Zionism is not a fringe ideology.

It is the consensus of the Jewish people. Hey, open season on us. Anyone who doesn't like seeing kids splattered across walls. Yeah, that's us. It's our consensus. Yeah, we all agreed on it. We took a vote on it in 2021. That's just the kind of people we are.

Yeah. We're the kind of people that sticks together in rooms and sort of cabal-like structures. Like, to say this is so fucking actually dangerous for Jewish people. It is insane that he would even claim. otherwise that he's trying to, you know, speak for the safety of Jewish people. And it goes to exactly what you just said, Chris, like the chauvinism to think that people are even capable of, never mind willing to put aside fundamental moral instinct and human compassion in the name of, oh, well, Jews have decided it's fine.

No, I saw Pew Research poll. No, the Jews have agreed. I guess, while, you know, differences of opinion, Charlie Kirk would say that we have to just sort of let everyone, you know, let everyone agree to disagree about whether I have the right to like blow up this high-rise tower full of babies. Right. And it's so insidious too because it comes from an even darker place.

The fact that this is in the Hollywood reporter, the fact that this is something that comes in response to a very Hollywood fucking night as like the Emmys, what he is essentially saying there is that just so you know those who give a shit about the Hollywood reporter that the industry is Zionist

that 80% of Jews like for him for most people when you start doing these number games where you go like oh but 90% of Jews support Israel we've come to the realization now that it's like listen it doesn't actually fucking matter it could be a hundred

percent of Jews, if everyone is supporting something that is wrong, it doesn't make it right. You can't say, oh, well, genocide's okay because all the Jews agree to it, which is of course not even the case, but that... Jew wrongs don't make her right.

Jew wrongs don't make her right. Exactly. Exactly. And so, like, you know, what he's doing here is in the Hollywood reporter. He's telling the readership, hey, just so you know, you know, he's playing on their fear. He's Playing on the fact that people in the industry might be afraid to, you know, speak out because they're like, I don't know, man, I heard there's a lot of Jews in Hollywood and I don't want to offend them.

Yeah, but at the same time, but at the same time, by that logic, people are going to be watching to see what happens to Hannah Einbinder. Right. And Hacks Season 5 is going into production next week. And it's going to be just fine. And they're no longer going to be able to, I mean, the more this damn breaks, the more the, the. the deterrence capacity of a terrorist like Han Mazzig to shut people up with this bullshit

the more that's going to wane. So it is the consensus of the Jewish people the belief that we have the right to live freely and safely in our ancestral homeland after centuries of exile and persecution. There he's just plagiarizing the Israeli National Anthem. Right. Right. To live as a free people in our

in our land. Oh, I thought it was, maybe next year we'll be number three. That's your... Desert Techno Festival. You listening to that? Yes, that's right.

To oppose Zionism is not merely to challenge a government policy, really. It is to challenge Jewish existence as a free people. You can criticize Netanyahu and his government's actions and policies. I know I have, and still hold this

truth. By the way, if you click that link, it's a video of a monkey pissing in his own mouth. The craziest line there, though, it really reminds me of a Tom Segev quote. I said this earlier. The quote about free people, what was the prerequisite of Jewish people becoming free people? Literally, free people, the Palestinians, becoming exiles. Right. And they took, like, they took everything. It's what Tom Segev writes about. It's like they found houses with pots, pans, pets, photo albums in. I'm sorry, it's like, it's just, Well, you're misunderstanding the meaning of the word free. That's a Jewish thing.

We're bargain hunters. Yeah, exactly. God. I love doing a comedy podcast about Israel. But I guess it just speaks to the whole piece, doesn't it? And Henn Muzig is a person. I don't care about Palestinians. We should just pay them platitudes of, oh, it's bad when you suffer.

but my safety is what matters and if even you as an American Jewish person dare to question that I'm coming to police you in the Hollywood reporter Yeah so far the only mention of Palestinians really Was in the subhead Where he talked about what she should have talked about Which is like peace and coexistence

There's none of that actually in the article Right, that's right, this is a good point So far it's just like I'm sorry but this is just all the same Fucking Hasbarotropes. Again this is why I think it was written And this was like Hasbara Madlibs, where they were just like, for anyone who says anything during the fucking Emmys, I'll have this ready. And I'll just search and replace, you know, I'll put Hannah's name or Javier's name, whoever's name needs to be in there.

Yeah, it's funny. He didn't mention, he hasn't mentioned Javier. He did on Twitter. He said he was wearing a Jordanian scarf. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that hen or was that A.L. Yacobi? No, that was a henna Z. I'm pretty confident, yeah. Words have consequences.

When celebrities make it trendy to vilify Israel, it fuels the climate that leads to Jewish schools under police guard, synagogues set on fire, and children beaten on their way to class. Fucking A. This fucking bullshit. True bravery. Here we go. Here we go. Here's where the subject comes from. True bravery would have been using that Emmy stage to call for the release of the 48 hostages still held in Gaza and the end of the war.

Yeah, yeah. If you put an apostrophe before the 48, that sentence might have some merit to it, call for the release of the 48. Yeah, the actual 48 hostages. Wow. True courage,

what has meant calling for peace for coexistence for the humanity of both Israelis and Palestinians, even if it risked booze instead of applause. Oh, man. Anna Einbinder had a rare moment when the world was listening. She could have built a bridge,

instead she burned one and you know to end it with the instead she burned a bridge it's again this implicit threats throughout this thing the fact that it's in the Hollywood reporter the fact that it's you know trying to spread

this total anti-Semitic trope that all Jews are in agreement with Zionism that it is an intrinsic part of Judaism you know like all of it is meant to do one thing which is to scare people in the industry who think they're going to be like

Hannah Einbinder. Hannah Einbinder could have worked in this town again. Yeah. The reason that fucking, you know, Javier Bardem isn't getting a whole article on him is number one, he has been talking, you know, about this for a long, long time.

He's been a, you know, someone in Hollywood with, you know, in the Palestine solidarity space for longer than most. And he's from Spain, you know, he's a famous movie star, but he is, you know, he's European. It's a different thing. The fact that you have this homegrown, you know, like Los Angeles American Jew with a hit TV show just won an Emmy, that's a threat.

That's a bigger threat than a Javier Bardem, because it says to people, oh, shit, maybe all Jews aren't in, you know, like, knee-jerk support for everything Israel does. And Hannah is young and hip and cool and queer. And my friend, sort of. And Matt Leeb's friend. Yeah. We know each other. If we saw each other, we say hi.

And I know the next question is. When she appears on this podcast, then I'll believe that she's your friend in real life. Okay. Well, now she, and guess what? She will probably. I just have to write a few more DMs. I'll do it. Don't think I won't fucking do it.

I write those DMs. Probably start with hey, congrats on the Emmy. That's exactly what I started with. I've already done it. Congrats. I'm waiting for it when it's a scene. And once it says scene, then I will ask.

So everyone who's like, why don't you get Hannah on? I'm trying. But no, I truly, I, you know, I respect the ship out of anyone who is saying something, you know, even at this, you know, late date and people want to, like, criticize people for doing so, you know, like later or whatnot. And the truth of it is is that it's like you, I fully support it. I support the people breaking out. And I also very much appreciate the people who did speak out earlier, who helped bring it along. Yes. So, you know, the show hacks obviously is like got a big cast of people and one of the actresses on it

is a friend of ours poppy lou yes who has been speaking out about Palestine from the beginning she's a good friend of ours our kids hang out together um and she has been you know she's been talking all these people whether it's on her show or other shows and she has suffered um consequences for speaking out she has lost jobs uh and uh you know like i i won't get into that maybe she'll come on the podcast and get into that but like she has been instrumental in helping i think a lot of people um in hollywood kind of stopped being you know afraid to say anything and uh you know uh so credit where credit is due to the people have been talking about it but also hannah someone who's been around she was she was at the protests um early on in november i mean

she's she's been and she's been donating and she's been doing things so it is nice to see the public ship so i support it fucking fully and i love we love watching how scared they get about it yeah yeah yeah like a meltdown quite a meltdown but also to transition to some people who are not friendos of the pod we need to talk about the old guard who is still out here spitting out all this bullshit we're going to talk about Jerry Seinfeld. Oh, notorious Hollywood outcast Jerry Seinfeld

who has really paid the price for his refusal to say the trendy Free Palestine slogan. Yes. Jerry, it was reported in, of course, the Hollywood reporter that he compared the Free Palestine movement to the KKK. He compared them unfavorably

to the KKK. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they didn't have all the good parts. Yeah. Just say you don't like Jews By saying free Palestine You're not admitting what you really think So it's actually Compared to the Ku Klux Klan

I'm actually thinking that the clan It's actually a little better here Because they can come right out and say Yeah we don't like blacks We don't like the Jews Okay, that's honest I love doing like straight up Apologia for the KKK

In order to paint What Hannah Einbinder as the fucking Grand Dragon. What does KKK even stand for? Kramer Kramer Kramer? Yeah, Kramer Kramer. Yeah, speaking of KKK, I believe Michael Richards has something to say about this.

Obviously, this shit is so fucking stupid to even make the comparison. But we've been talking about this for a while. So obviously, this is very funny. And I enjoy watching Jerry Seinfeld try to do a little bit of his classic observational humor about the Free Palestine movement. So

yeah, let's all do it ourselves. Let's give them some pointers for a little bit of Bad Hezbarra, Seinfeld edition. All right. Here we go. Hey, there we are. And let's get a little bit of this going.

All right. What's the deal with Gen Z supporting Hamas? Do you know how hard that's going to make it for me to find a girlfriend? All right. How come they're called Palestinians? They're not my pals. Pals are your peers.

Half the Palestinians are under 18. Sounds more like girlfriendistinians to me. All right. Hey, Chris, do you want to do one? I said free Palestine protesters, a less honest. than the KKK. And I know about dishonesty in letters. B movie was an F movie the whole time,

and I didn't even know it. I thought B was an A. I effed up. We recently bombed Cudder, which I don't approve of. My last girlfriend was a Cudder. I date teens. Cutter.

That's really good. Did Adam write that one? That's me. Maybe. The Palestinians won't write a return? I want right of return. Return to success in film or television, but I can't write. So they won't let me return.

Oh, sorry. Don't cut me off. I tried to return without writing. It was called Unfrosted. They wanted me to return the money. They were right. That's right of return. Very good.

Oh, yeah. There we go. People say I'm out of touch, sociopathic billionaire narcissist who harassed minors in the 90s, has no business commenting on Israel, and I say, you're right. But which one are you talking about? Be more specific. So TikTok is anti-Semitic. Well, we didn't have TikTok when I was young.

Back in my day, if you wanted to see high school girls dance, you had to go to my girlfriend. friend's birthday party. Jerry. I hope you all had the time of your life. I know I did. If you're wondering what all the jump cuts were about, don't wonder. It went fine.

Oh, man, I got to say, you know, watching Jerry Seinfeld and like, you know, just kind of this old Hollywood guard, like, sort of, clinging on for dear life it makes me it makes me excited for the future it really does

I mean you know they they've they've started now to finally see that holding on to support of Israel in such a public and you know

demonstrably like immoral fashion is not going to not going to like make them look good at all and make me feel good, dude. Make me feel good. And that is the podcast.

We did it. We did it, everybody. We did it. Thank you to all the friendos of the pod. Friendo. The pod. And thank you to Chris. Chris, thanks so much for coming on the podcast and talking about Bad Has Barrow with us.

Thank you very much for having me on. Thoroughly enjoyed. Good. How can people find you? It's quite useful. chose not to use any other name, just my name, Chris Cuncelot on any platform, Twitter, YouTube, not Rumble or anything yet. Not yet.

You know, I've been talking shit about Rumble for a long time, but now I'm starting to see it's like, you know, it's very possible this podcast will end up there. Yeah, because you never know with these fucking tech companies. But Chris, it was great having you on. Thank you for doing it. Thank you very much for having this happen. Yeah. And thank everyone, thank you to all of you out there for, you know, listening to another episode, watching another episode.

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