Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 167: Bondi Hero Us, with Cassie Willson

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by comedian and content creator Cassie Willson to cover Netanyahu’s wrong-footed snap response to the Bondi Beach mass shooting, Rabbi Ammi Hirsch and Jonathan Greenblatt���s tag-team attempt to paint the American left as anti-semites, and the tasteful sort of Australian accents you would expect after a mass-shooting.Please donate to Mercy Corps: https://www.mercycorps.org/Cassie on Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cassiewillsonCassie on IG: https://www.instagram.com/cassiewillson_Cassie on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@cassiewillsonNew Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White foster us. Zabrahamas. Hasvara suss. Um, Mozy, Lehmine, hi, everybody. And my name is Matt Leib. And welcome to Bad Hasbara. Shehachianu. Welcome. My name is Daniel Matte. This is the world's most moral podcast. We sort of jumbled up that intro this time. Yeah, we did. All the pieces matter. And they fit in where they get in. That's right. The wire. Check it out. My name, once again, is Matt Lieb. I will be your world's most moral co-host for this podcast. I already said my name. I'm not going to repeat it.

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way it really in 2025 definitely aged wonderfully. I wasn't on that episode but I greatly enjoyed listening to it. I especially enjoyed after about an hour and 15 minutes of you slamming Aaron Sorkin and writing an entire song

about him. Adam clues you in that neither of the episodes in question were written by Ernstokin. I know. And then, in fact, he had departed the show by the time that season earlier. And I was like, my point on Sorkin still stands, all right? My Sugar Ray parody, we're still playing it.

We're still playing it. And you can listen to the full version at the end of the episode. That was great, really, really funny. It was a lot of fun to do. We had Zach Foster, and we had Vince Mancini. And Vince Mancini, of course, I do TV rewatch podcasts with

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Do it. Daniel, you look like you're in a different place, but I'm still going to ask you, what's the spin? I'm going to tell you, but first I just noticed I'm dressed like a literal teapot. Like I'm, I've got a T-Coseon. That's true. I've always been short and stout, but now I've got like a rhomboid injury, like an upper back. Oh.

Like I pulled a muscle or something. I don't even know where the romew is a rhomboid, huh? Yeah, it's like a little muscle that lifts the arm up. And so, you know, sometimes the pain is in my arm, sometimes it's, anyway, it's painful. But I've got a menthol pack on there. Yeah, exactly. It's like a square with one wonky side. Exactly.

Okay. High school, high school geometry. I remember that shit. I'm learning these things as I go. Anyway, yes, I'm in D.C. I'm here lobbying for podcast pack. Thank you. Meeting with lawmakers.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. If you support our podcast, then we won't talk shit about you on our podcast. That's exactly right. Those are the types of threats we do at podcast pack. I went to the menorah lighting on the ellipse yesterday, spoke to Congressman Fine, spoke to Congressman Schumer, got them together, said, hey, yiddles, what are we doing? my yiddles, let's get, let's get, let's get, let's get some of that, come of that, that pork, that kosher pork flowing to the podcast.

You know, check out this pork barrel. Exactly. But anyway, being in D.C., I brought along some records from D.C. artists. I love it. I love it. With Money Jungle by Duke Ellington from Washington, D.C. This is his collaboration with Charlie Mingus and Max Roach, really, really great jazz album. throw that on the hotel bed behind me the blackbirds city life very cool yeah including the song rock

creek park named after a park here in this town blackbirds singing in the city life is that how it goes uh yeah that's exactly right thank you um i brought actually the wrong bad brain so whoever keeps the playlist ignore this this says eye against i i already we already have that one on the you wanted to put that abandoned dc no i just wanted to bring their eponymous debut. Oh, okay. Yeah. Bad brands, bad brains.

So that's the one I want on there. I'm glad you did bad brains because I was racking my brain for it. I was like, what's a DC band? I know Baltimore bands, but the only DC band I can remember is bad brains. Hey, Cheggie, you know, you know Go-Go? I'm trying to do Chris Partlow in the alley with the New York drug dealer. That's right. Yeah, was it, is it Go-Go music?

Was that the name of it? I want to say, like, step in and fetch it, but that's not the name of the track. Definitely not. Can't possibly be. Shake it and move it or something? Yeah, shake it and move it. Something like that, moving and shake it. Rollins band, Henry Rollins from Washington, D.C.

Oh, I didn't know that. Look at this. The end of silence. For some reason, I didn't bring Fugazi. I think they're from here, aren't they? But anyway, slam the soundtrack, a wonderful film with starring Saul Williams, the poet, who's a wonderful Palestine ally advocate. incredible poet and he

was in this when he was young in like the late 90s playing a DC era poet who gets jailed and his poetry mentor is Sonia Son from the wire from the wire Keem of Greggs and finally

DJ Spooky that subliminal kid great turntablist and sort of soundscaper from the late 90s album is called Rhythm Warfare. I don't know DJ Spooky but that's a very funny, silly name.

His real name is Paul D. Miller, so he wanted to go for something a little spookier, I think. DJ's spooky, ooky. What if DJ was a ghost? That's great. I love it. So that's what's spinning. Yeah, man.

That's what's spinning. Shout out to Bad Brains, by the way. One of the fucking dopest American hardcore punk bands from that era. Yeah. People often sleep. leap on them, but they were super dope. I recommend you check out there live at CBGB's set. It is the coolest thing you will have ever seen. So, now before we introduce our guest, there's one thing that we wanted to bring up from, I guess this is, we talked about this guy, was it last week where we talked about the deal book conference? A couple of weeks ago, I think. Yeah, I don't, time, I don't remember time. Time just happens. Alex Karp And you alerted me to this

Can you tell me a little bit about This tweet that he put out? So Alex Karp was one of the many freaks Who attended And were featured at the New York Times Deal Book Summit Talking to Adam Ross Sorkin

Or what, the other Sorkin Yeah, yeah, yeah Andrew Ross Sorkin A different Sorkin A different Sorkin A Sorkin by any other name Would smell as Coke out. That's exactly right. And Alex Carp smelled even more coked out. And, you know, he talked about

how the most oppressed people in America are white working class men. And that's why Palantir has to exist. Right. He talked about how people... We got to watch them. You know, these white working class men are dying alone from depression and loneliness. We got to create... Send them overseas and have them die in piles. Make your suicide matter. join a private military organization. Suicide contractors. And then he also talked about how people are Jew obsessed and how literally no, you know,

no one normal thinks about Jews all the time in a room full of Jews. Yeah, right. At the New York Times deal book conference. But more than the content of anything, he said what a lot of people noticed was just his body language, his mannerisms, if you will. physical mien.

And Palantir also took notice of people taking notice of that. And they put out this hilarious tweet last week. They said, while cross-country skiing this morning, Dr. Karp decided to launch a new program, the Neurodivergent Fellowship. If you find yourself relating to him in this video, unable to sit still or thinking faster than you can speak, we encourage you to apply. the final round of interviews will be conducted by Dr. Karp personally. Application link coming soon.

Thank you and good luck. Can we just play the video they're referring to? Oh, absolutely. I would love nothing more than for people to see this while cross-country skiing, by the way, quite a choice of words. Yeah, slaloming, you know, with big piles of snow. Yeah, lots of snow. Just back and forth.

Here he is. When we began talking, annoying each other 10 years ago, hopefully I'm annoying you as much as 10 years ago, or more. When I made a, you know this. I've never, like, first of all, that is the most coaxed out man I've ever seen. I love neurodivergence as the new like Hasbar for when you watch someone who's clearly tweaking. And the thing I love about this is just imagining the waiting room for that interview. you with Dr. Karp himself personally.

You know, the final round of shortlist. Hey, can we bolt down these chairs? Just hitting each other in the fucking face. Yeah, they can't. No one can control their limbs. I also, I'm sorry, but like, Palantir is, what are they other than the future robot overlords of the, you know, of the future fascist states of America?

The idea of being neurodivergent and just being like, I certainly would like to visit the Palantir facility and meet with people. You just get in, immediately the waiting room is euthanasia stable. Like there's no fucking way that Alex Carp is not pro-Euthanasia. I'm just really hoping that they don't make Alex Carp, the sort of body double prototype Andy Circus for the robots. Can you imagine a robot program to move?

like him that would be the most frightening thing in the world it's killing me annoyingly it won't sit still it has no center of gravity I mean listen I'm okay with you getting killed by a cool robot but this one's a fucking dork that is kind of how I feel about it yeah anyway shut a stop or my electric eel will shoot oh shout out to palinger Alex carp you guys are making great products that are very useful and And great, great initiatives. Thank you for caring about neurodiversity in this age of, you know, rampant ableism. If there's one thing Palantir cares about, it's making people's lives better.

That's right. We have a wonderful guest that I'm very excited to introduce. This is someone who I actually first came across because not unlike myself, she very much seemed to have enjoyed and really digested the uh what's her name sarah herwitz um you know like like soul you know what i mean yeah like she seemed to really understand where that video was coming from where sarah herwits was coming from when she the key lessons of the herwitsian world view yes yes uh and uh so she this is one of the uh videos that she put out uh that i would like to show you all right now.

Holocaust education is really essential, but I think young people are getting confused. They're seeing videos all day long of, you know, buildings being destroyed, children with missing limbs, you know, innocent people literally being blown up. And the lesson that they're taking is that this is wrong. And that's really not the right lesson because they learn about, you know, big, strong, these hurting, weak, emaciated Jews. And then they see videos of Israel, you know, one of those powerful military operations in the world, just literally destroying an entire population of people. And for some reason, they don't like

that. It's like, make that make sense. You just can't even have a conversation with some of these people because, you know, they're seeing just the most horrific, depraved violence you could ever conceive of for over two years now. And what they're thinking is, oh, you should fight Israel. You should fight the big powerful guy. And it's like, no, you should be cheering that on. And now people can just see what's actually happening all the time on their phone. So it's way harder to propagandize that just uh a beautiful impression shit i thought there was two of them uh super funny comedian and content creator ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the podcast cassie wilson

thanks for having me team i just subscribed on youtube and that is real getting you inching you closer to 50 yeah every day we just hopefully you know something Sometimes we get a subscriber and then someone leaves and I'm like, oh, yeah, you fucked me. Cassie, thank you for coming on. Stoke to have you. Great video. You make a lot of really great content. Oh, stop.

I love my fans. Well, thanks for having me. I love, I can't wait to be moral altogether. Yeah. I love to be moral. Can you just tell us a little bit about yourself. Tell our audience about you. You're a comedian.

your, you know, your political, you know, anti-Semite maybe. Yeah, yeah, huge anti-Semite. You know, I'm just a lady and I make videos in my room pretty much is the vibe. But I have thoughts and sometimes I share them and that's cool. I did a lot of work on the Zeran campaign this year. And, you know, that's the vibe. Yeah. How you feeling, are you feeling pre-in-og?

I feel incredible. The city is electric. It's going to be amazing. I'm so excited for the Anog. It's like, it's a long time coming. So let's make it happen. Hell, yeah. Yeah.

So you single-handedly got him elected and that's, yeah, pretty much. So you're welcome. And you also seem to be part of like an impromptu or ad hoc little troupe of, of comedians and content creators. Can you tell us about your little for some? Tell us about your little troupe. My little friends. Yeah. You guys do skits.

We're big little videos online You guys, you might be familiar We don't have like a name We do have a group chat that is called Political Polycule So that is kind of the vibe But yeah, it's me Prance of Box Top That's his like handle

And then Christina who is Miss XTina B And then Christian Devine So the four of us just All makes similar kinds of like Leftist sketch cultural commentary Kind of content and we all just kept running into each other. We all have in Brooklyn.

We all kept running into each other leading up to the election. And so, you know, we just, like, we're organically spending all this time together. And then I think Christian had the idea for the New York Times video. And since then we've, we actually just filmed one today. So look out for that. But, yeah, we've been writing stuff together, and that feels really exciting and really fun.

And it's, you know, it's nice to have to have buddies and not just be making your own stuff all the time. Well, not that you asked me, but Polly with an I, Kuhl would be a fantastic name. Oh, Polly Sye. Oh. Totally. I'll run it by them. I'll pop it in the group chat.

You're already getting notes on your group chat. Yeah. Well, that's why I'm here. That's why you're here. We're here to give you feedback. Great. Speaking of feedback, how has, like, how is the response been? Have you done other, you know, critiques, comedic,

of the genocide and what's going on with the media with regards to that. Yeah, you know, I find it hard to be laugh out loud, hilarious when talking about Gaza. But, you know, I made a video a few months ago just talking about how insane you start to feel after having a similar kind of conversation. Like, if you're in kind of an organic conversation with somebody that you know and Gaza comes up and you can see a shift in them. And you just think, what are we talking? Like, what is going on? And that's how, you know, I felt for two years and how a lot of people have felt for two years, I'm sure.

Yeah. But, yeah, in terms of, you know, feedback, back, I don't know. I, back in October, 2023, I just started posting a bunch of stuff about Gaza and my stories. I wasn't posting regular videos because I literally didn't know how to do that. I was like, is everyone not kind of looking at this all the time? Right.

So I took a long break and lost thousands of followers. and was getting the craziest DMs you could ever imagine, but was also thinking, like, hey, literally, can I swear in this podcast? I'm sure I can. Oh, I'm sure I can. I don't know why I asked. You can't swear, but you can do anti-Semitic tropes.

That's okay. You can do hate crimes if you want. That's fine. We're not live on ABC. But you can curse the Old Testament. Great. You can curse the Talmud. I mean, it was just this feeling of like people would be DMME insane stuff.

And it was just like, literally, fuck you. I have a platform and you don't. And I was working a day job with a lot of Israelis. And they were getting in my DMs. And it was like, this feels weird and inappropriate because this is my personal Instagram. And you could just message me on Slack. But it also just felt like, okay, if not this, then what? You know, like, if this isn't something you care about and that you want to talk about

and that is worth losing lots of followers over, then what? what the fuck is, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, really funny laugh out loud to start to my appearance on this pod. I think we call it. Oh, don't worry. This pod is going to remain somber and unfunny for the rest of this.

So, uh, yeah, you just have to, in between stories, uh, about, horrible, uh, atrocities. Uh, I just need you to do a little skit. Yeah, for sure. I'll get a clown nose and do a little, a little, a little, some kind of. Yeah, yeah. A bell? Performance. I don't know.

Yeah. Um. Yeah, so I mean, you touched on something that I think is important and relevant to the story that we need to open with. You talked about the kind of like the mass gas lighting, that feeling that you had of like talking to someone and watching their, you know, watching their entire body change as soon as you bring up like, hey, these Palestinians sure seem to be getting murdered in mass. that's bad. And then watching people kind of not know, you know, what to say or and then questioning yourself and going like, wait, am I wrong? Did you ever have that feeling?

Like, am I wrong for caring about these people? No, but I, I don't know. In growing up and in my early adulthood, I just wasn't really exposed to like Zionism, really. And so I remember having this moment on like October 8th where I was sitting in a restaurant with two friends of mine and my friend showed me a post that her boss

had made on Instagram to saying like we stand with Israel and I was like with Israel like I couldn't I was like but what do you mean?

So you know I knew enough to know that something was immediately amiss that's not something you stand with yeah right I was like

yeah as a boss especially is when it's like the person who employs you is telling you by the way um you this is where i stand and this is where the company stands yeah is a strange thing like you didn't i feel like you don't really see that with any even with the like ukraine stuff it was

uh people weren't being um you know put in a position of like you better fucking you better like all my pro ukraine post this just wasn't a thing well there aren't as many ukrainian bosses out there either yeah yeah maybe not but it's it is it is it is definitely a weird thing that you notice for sure yeah yeah just this immediate like there is some there is some deep misalignment with what uh you know the the powers that be are saying and what i and every reasonable person that i know is saying yeah um and so that's when i started to feel insane and never really stopped but then at the same time like you know ticot has been a big place where people are kind of more able to

you talk about Gaza and like how insane Zionism is and how deep it goes and in this country. So you kind of, and the algorithm will do that for you. They will kind of section you off into people who agree with you. So, but, you know, Instagram does that a little bit less. So I was getting, you know, some crazy messages here. Crazy, crazy commenters over on Instagram. In those early days of Am I Crazy, did you have or need to have like progressive Jewish people around you saying, it's okay, you're not crazy, you're allowed to see what you're seeing?

Or did you not require the co-signing of people who, for some reason, were given more authority like us? I mean, I wasn't really requiring co-signing. I, you know, went to a JVP protest on October 8th, and it was, you know, I guess reassuring or comforting to hear these, you know, Jewish New Yorkers saying what I already thought to be true and then yeah friends of mine like it was that the one

at Grand Army Plaza? Yeah I was there too yeah hell yeah look at that right by Chuck Schumer's pad Look at you in New Yorkers doing fun cool shit well all of us in L.A. are just basking in the sunshine

surfing in your cars sitting in traffic sounds awesome I wish I was there. It's pretty sick. Some of us have backyards, not me. Totally. But yeah, no, you know, you bring up this like gaslighting and it's like to me, I've been thinking a lot about the complete lack of leadership when it comes to, you know, vaguely left institutions, liberal institutions, whether it's a Democratic Party or any of the, quote, like liberal media that people consume like MSNBC. see, the gaslighting that happens because none of these people are willing to admit the stark reality of what Israel is and what they've been perpetrating for a long time, but also what they're currently perpetrating in front of everyone, live streamed on TikTok.

And it adds to that kind of, like, I must be crazy because I don't have my usual, you know, uh, me. media viewing, the people I go to reassure me that my worldview is correct, are not saying shit. In fact, they're saying kind of the same thing that the MAGA people are saying. And that to me kind of leads into a little bit of the subject I wanted to talk about, and we have to talk about this up front because yesterday, we're, you know, talking on Monday. this will come out tomorrow on Tuesday so if you're seeing us on Tuesday hi but two days ago to you two gunmen went to Bondi Beach in Australia and killed 15 people at a Hanukkah celebration we don't know much as of now what we do know so far is that the shooters were a

were Syrian father and son and apparently it's nice to collaborate with family yeah it's always good to have a strong dad and I work together too it's nice that's true you and your dad do work together um yeah you guys are of course

he's a Holocaust survivor that dad was a Holocaust denier a lot of you know similarities there but he and his son according to the BBC and Haarets both reported that the Sydney gunman in Hanukkah attack reportedly were linked to the Islamic State.

They said that they had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State, and they had, you know, IS flags in their car. I don't know, we still don't know everything about this. But what is interesting about that particular detail is that it kind of blows away the Iran links that Israel has been desperately trying to make. Actually, it should create more of an America link. There was a leaked email, I think, from some American diplomat to Hillary Clinton back when she was the Secretary of State who said ISIS is on our side in Syria.

That's right. Yes, yes. And it's really, I mean, in terms of that detail, we'll see what more comes of it. But, you know, in Israel, they say Iran's chief rabbi condemns Bondi beach attack amidst. suspicions of Iranian involvement. Now, the idea... Iran's chief rabbi condemns it, and we're not having it. Yeah, I love the idea of just like, oh, you condemn it. That's awfully suspicious of you to condemn it at this moment

when we are very much trying to make you a party to this horrible event. And, you know, when you just talk about the gas lending, I think one of the things that is really bummed me out, And I hate to start off with, like, bummer stuff, of course, on the... Hey, we're already there. We're already there. Come on. We're already sad.

But watching the way in which the death of these 15 people in Sydney, 15 Jews is what it's being said. I assume it's 15 Jewish people, although we don't know. Even if it wasn't, you know, it's a blatantly anti-Semitic attack shooting up a Hanukkah celebration on the beach. watching the way in which before we even have a body count, the Hezbara apparatus has decided, of course, to exploit this event. Like, nothing makes me angrier. Like, the idea that the Atlantic can immediately come out with an article, before we even have a body count, they came out with an article that said, this is what globalizing the Intifada looks like. you have people on all major news networks immediately framing this entire thing as a

not just an anti-Semitic attack, which it is, but as somehow part of the pro-Palestine movement. Yeah, to be clear, ISIS has zero to do with the Intifada. To a degree at which Hamas, of course, chased ISIS out of Gaza, I mean, these are literally warring factions to the point where also Iran is the opposite of ISIS. They are not ISIS. That is like they are in political and ideological opposition to each other. Of course, people in general don't know that because, you know, before 9-11, no one knew what the fuck a Sunni or a Shia was. It just was, it's all Muslims.

And still, to the day, people don't know this shit. But I just like watching the way in which we had no leadership. All of this makes me pissed at liberals because there's this liberal commitment to, you know, being pro-Israel or at the very least being quiet about it and considering it like a touchy subject that's complicated that has essentially allowed for the majority of people who consider themselves Democrats or, you know, not MAGA. It's allowed all of them to go literally fucking insane for the last two years. Just give me a second. I just need to open the window for a second. Oh, go ahead. You hear that, Democrats?

Congress is just right down the street. D.C., baby. That's right. You're in D.C. Can you, I don't know, can you aim the speakers at the Capitol? Yeah, he's in the Capitol right now. But yeah, it just, it pisses me the fuck off that immediately Israel can hijack this tragedy. This actual tragedy against Jewish people, the very people they claim to care about

and immediately weaponize it to try to do the things they always do. Spread anti-Muslim hate, spread anti-Arab hate. It's just like the shit fucking, it makes me fume. I can't believe we're still at a place where when the prime minister of Israel has something to say about anything, you're not immediately going, oh, and now we hear from Nazi contingent of the of the world's you know just like we are dealing with a group of people who if you don't by now understand that Israel does not care about Jewish people I don't know what's going to convince you Cassie how have you dealt with I'm assuming before all of this you found

it easier to think of yourself as somewhere in the nebulous spectrum of of democratic politics. How have you dealt with the, I mean, maybe that's a false assumption. Maybe you're, maybe you're a hardcore. Maybe you're a further left tanky than I am. I'm a Hillary girl, actually. Yeah, still with her.

Yeah. I'm always with her. Still withering. Still withering. Yeah, still withering. Nice. I mean, I think this has drawn the, the clearest line between like a leftist

a liberal like what that is and I even I mean I just to give an example I went to a like an influencer conference back in May which was kind of for like progressive content creators and overall it was like a really positive experience mostly because I met all these people who were kind of doing similar things to me but Gaza was the issue that you know everyone else can agree on everything else, but Gaza was the issue that some people still are skirting around it or saying, you know, kind of pro-Israel things. And it was just that, it is the issue. And it, and the fact that it is the issue and you can see exactly what has been happening for two years. Like, it just, it will never not make me insane. Yeah. And they're hoping that it's not

an irreparable fault line. They're hoping that people like you will be like, yeah, well, big, big tent differences reasonable people can disagree but not bloody likely. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot about trying to explain this time period to my future children

the way that my parents have explained other things to me. You know, like, you know, like, hey, parents, what was the AIDS crisis like? You know what I mean? Like, were you feeling a similar kind of like insanity? And so I think about that all the time and how like having to explain

explain that no, no, no, the world wanted us to be pro-Israel during all of this. Right. It will never, I will never know how to explain that, like, truly. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like the way in which it's being done, because, I mean, obviously there's, like, always going to be the political pressure to conform from, like, your, you know, your big liberal institutions or institutional media is always going to be like this is our line this is the things we say um and that's you know kind of that's just how it is it's how it's been

with this one in particular it's it's just so starkly different in that you are literally being told to stop caring about people who are dying during a genocide and i think like it's the lack of leadership that has been, I think, driving most people insane where you have nowhere else to go with these feelings. And the idea that we're just going to

or you have to turn to podcast or you have to turn a fucking podcast. Or you turn to one another. I mean, genuinely, like I think about going to those protests in fall 2023 being the only thing that would bring me any sense of like comfort is being surrounded by

thousands of other people who I know agree with what I know is right yeah the last time I was in DC was at one of those massive rallies in the October or yeah November of that year and the the feeling of collective exhalation of wow we're not crazy right right was was palpable Matt what have you been seeing in terms of the way these this disappearing class of of virtuous liberals who care about human rights have been treating this tragedy in Australia or just the Hasbara

industry in general. So far the Hezbara generally has been exactly what you would expect it to be. It's just an immediate call for pogroms against Muslims for the disenfranchisement of Muslims in every Western country. A fucking New York City

in your very city of New York, big Apple, more like big racist. Because here is councilwoman Vicky Palladino saying, we're in the midst of a global jihad the likes of which the world has never seen and we cannot ignore it we must uh we need

to take very seriously the need to begin the expulsion of muslims from western nations or at the very least the severe sanction of them within western borders the administration oh so sanctions are okay sometimes well yeah as long as not boycott and divestment the sanctions are fine uh the administration needs to begin developing a formal legal framework for the naturalization process and get it over with before we end up with another 9-11 or worse enough is enough first of all the idea is like we're going to have another 9-11 as if like the 9-11 hijackers were all American citizens like and uh yeah also i mean okay okay fine do that that might she might just be telling herself there you know what i mean bush we we need to we need to

we need to denaturalize Muslim citizens so that we won't have brave people intervening the next time there's a massacre. Literally. Yeah. So the thing about that tweet is it was a quote tweet of a friend of the show, quote, unquote, Drew Pavilu, Pavlov, whatever. You know, the, Pavlo's dog. Yeah.

He's Australian. Yeah. He had tweeted the video of a man in Australia during the shooting who tackled one of the shooters. And so that is a. quote tweet of that. And it's very interesting because it was the one tweet that didn't identify the shooter. It didn't say his name or any information about it. She found the one that actually didn't mention who this person was. Yeah. So his name is Ahmed al-Ahmad. And he is,

he is an Australian citizen, a Muslim who came to Australia in 2006. And here is just some of the video of it it truly is an amazing thing to see he tackles one of the shooters he took two bullets from the other shooter and he pulls his gun away now he doesn't fire on him

but just seeing that video was like holy shit that's an incredible act of bravery he literally saved lives he saved Jewish lives and for some reason Bibi, Prime Minister, our main man, took this opportunity to randomly do, in the most Israeli fashion, take credit for that guy.

He's straight up, he straight up us, Tim. Muslim shopkeepers, us. Yeah, exactly. Good Samaritans, us. Australian heroes, us. So here is. Today, mate, us. Fostas Laga, us.

Yeah, exactly. Shrimp on the Barbie, us. Bloom and onion us. You call that in the knife, us. Yahoo, serious us. Did your parents explain to you, Crocodile Dundee, Cassie? I know about that. Don't worry.

Yeah. I'm not that young. Come on. That's just, that's just. I hope you guys think I am. Wait a second. I don't know. That was, that was Daniel reacting to having lived through the AIDS crisis.

He was just like, what do you mean? Ask your parents. I know. My bad. It wasn't that long ago. All right. Ask my old, old parents what it was like. My parents are like 45.

Ew. Okay, here is Beebe randomly taking credit for it. We have seen evil at its worst. Thank you, Adam, for the dub, by the way. And we have also seen Jewish heroism at its best. I saw on the way here a video. of a Jew who pounces on one of the murderers takes the weapon from him and saves who knows how many lives. My only criticism was that he did not fire on the shooter, point blank, and then bomb his extended family.

Where is the drone when you need it? His Jewish education was clearly incomplete. He was taught too much about the Holocaust in order to complete the ethnic cleansing in that moment. And when the Hasbarists clued in that this guy's name was Ahmed al-Ahmad, I then saw some of them be like, this guy is spiritually Israeli. That's one of their favorite phrases, spiritually Israeli.

Yeah, and I'd love to go to his fruit stand and see if there's any maps, particularly of, you know, like, I'd love to find out what his politics are regarding Israel. Yeah. I mean, it's just like, I also saw, like, the blatant misinformation campaigns that we've always see around these things. And this was just one of the rare times where the misinformation about a Muslim, it was still Islamophobic, but they realized they had to, like, because he was a hero, they had to change the narrative. So they were just like, I think it was the atrocities. of October 7th account

that posted that he was a Christian Maronite for no reason. They're just like trying to... What are we talking about? Like what are we even talking about at this point? Yes. Jesus. Talk about gaslighting. I mean, it's... I mean, obviously there is a commitment to Islamophobia, but

also, I mean, narrative-wise, it's kind of fucked up because for them they have to like, they're like, man, we had this perfect thing where we could just be like, see, this is how Muslims are and then a goddamn Muslim had to go in and fucking tackle one of the guys and one of the coolest videos

anyone has ever seen. Yeah, and then they flip it to like, you see Muslims, this is what you should be doing, pushing it back against the hijacking of your, I'm sure, on some level, at some point in history, noble or at least potential-filled culture

that we despise anyway, but you could be better. And if you'd only, which is so telling on themselves because what is called for in this moment truly is Jewish people doing the same uh in terms of you know pushing back against the hijack tell me about it exactly what are we trying to do here yeah i i love i love doing that i love trying to trying to pull that

fucking argument at a time when you have to fucking like you have to beg someone in private please stop being genocidal yeah can you can you if you're not going to post your own statement about it please stop reposting myambial yes um then just just the immediate like yeah the jump to taking some like a shooting that is so horrific and so hate fueled and immediately being like and this is muslim's fault it's it's kind of the same way the american media has started to be like you know the second there's any kind of shooting it's like they're probably trans right right just this immediate jump to how can we demonize a specific population for this with zero basis it's actually disgusting it's it's it is

And it's so fucking blatant. And, you know, I think one of the other gaslighty parts about it is, like, anyone who lived through the goddamn war on terror for the last fucking 30 years sees right through this. The idea that they're trying to, once again, rehash the same old fucking shit makes everyone insane. Because it's like, I thought, especially liberals. Like, I thought we, you know, in 2008, we were like, you know, I realized the whole like Islamophobia. go to Iraq, kill a million people for no reason thing. I think we need to make up for it. Let's elect Barack Hussein Obama as a fig leaf, you know, as an olive branch. It's like it truly was I, you know, at the time it felt like America had like learned something. And I don't actually

believe that they haven't. I think people do see through a lot of Islamophobia. But they completely abdicate responsibility when it comes to like they allow Israeli, Islamic, Islamophobia to be prevalent because they mask it in like fake, you know, identity essentialist language. That sounds like the language of, you know, social justice. Well, and related to that is in my view, it started, or at least it took a very bad turn in 2016 when their hero, Hillary Clinton, lost. They couldn't explain it. And so in order to help them explain it and deal with their trauma, not only did they blame Russia, but in so, doing they invited back into the fold people who should have been put out to permanent

pasture in 2008 people like david from who are now chiming in helpfully to tell us what this all means people like bill crystal you know people who should have been neocons who should have been thoroughly discredited uh iraq war cheerleaders and architects and now they are because they're never trumpers they are democrats best friends they're on ms now which is i guess what it's called now. Yeah, I just learned that. And, you know, Rachel Maddo's been one of the biggest, Maddo's been one of the biggest warhawks in the past decade. You know, so it's, it's, it's been insane. The Democratic Party has been a place where neocons can can make, do their comeback tours. Yeah. And meanwhile, it's like, you know, you're, you're looking at what the shit that is,

you know, Benjamin Netanyahu is now saying about this. And I just can't. believe anyone buys into his his nonsense he took the opportunity once he was of course corrected about the fact that the sky was not jewish he just assumed he was jewish uh he uh he went on to talk about the anti-semitic attack uh and he went on to blame australia and the australian government uh for it by saying you guys have let in uh you guys have let antisemitism spread right right right right By recognizing a Palestinian, by recognizing a non-existent, non-continguous, non-militarized, completely chimerical, never-to-be Palestinian state. Right, yes. That's what killed those Jews on Pambandhi Beach.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so here is him talking about this and making that claim. There I go. On August 17th, about four months ago. I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia. What the fuck?

What kind of heart on do Israelis have for people of the Albanese clan, man? I think that it's, I don't know what it is. The fact that he's also Albanese, I'm like, what, what is going on here? We need a big Albanese family sit down. We need the members of the Albanese family to gather in Sicily or wherever. And have a good talk about these. What if you just call Taylor up? That's what you said.

I'm straight up, like, at this point, all Albanazes need to get together and figure out how to create their own states. Sit down with some Ziti. Yeah. It'll, some sort of Italian Albanian, I assume. Okay, here we go. In which I gave him warning that the Australian government's policy was promoting and encouraging anti-Semitism in Australia.

I wrote, your call for a Palestinian state pours fuel on the anti-Semitic fire. It rewards Hamas terrorism. It emboldens those who menace Australian Jews and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. Anti-Semitism is a cancer. It spreads when leaders stay silent. It retreats when leaders act. I call upon you to replace weakness with action, appeasement with resolve.

Instead, Prime Minister, you replaced weakness with weakness and appeasement with more appeasement. Your government did nothing to stop the spread of anti-Semitism in Australia. I warned him at the time that we may, if you do not change course, we may soon stage, I mean see anti-Semitic incidents rising in Australia. There may be consequences that I will be powerless to stop. Yes, I will be on a PowerPoint. I mean, powerless. I mean, just like, do you, like, you really have to soak in how disgusting it is in the wake of, I mean, not even a few hours have passed since these now 15 people were gunned down. Can you imagine on October 7th, on October 7th, if any world leader had had had the,

temerity to make a much more meritorious case that I warned Israel for the past two decades that starving this population and caging them in and massacring them every couple of years and emissurating them every single day of their lives would result in blowback and backlash that would cost innocent Israelis their lives. I mean, that would have had much more merit to it and it still would have been completely insensitive and completely verboten in the realm of international relations. The best they could do was getting, seeing like a college professor

saying something similar. That's the best. Not a fucking prime minister of a country. They were all expected to sit silently with their eyes, eyelids, you know, clockwork gornged open, watching the Hamas footage

for the next year before they were allowed to say a thing. I knew this podcast was going to make me feel insane. I was like, you guys are going to make me watch BBC stuff and I'm just going to be upset. I'm sorry.

Oh my god Oh my god And you know what the Hebrew word behind him is Oh no Don't Demona Oh he's in the fucking nuclear facility Yeah

He's in a nuclear He's in a nuclear nuclear bunker Up to his waist And toxic waste Which keeps his heart beating He's just like He's literally sitting He's soaking in a hot tub

In a hot tub of free of He's holding the button in his hand Oh Oh He's yeah He's in a A vat of toxic waste, Harkin' style. And he's like, and he's straight up next to a nuke with hand on the button.

And he's like, the tropes that you allowed in Australia, I've caused this. I'm really surprised, given his, like, sense of humor and what he thinks is a mic drop, that he didn't say, Prime Minister Albanese, this was not a good day, mate. Oh, he should have done that. I have to say to this, or nor. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, you would expect it. But no, he goes on to continue to, you know, make this about Israel.

Here. You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country. You took no action. You let the disease spread. and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today we saw an action of a brave man turns out a Muslim brave man and I salute him fuck

turns out a Muslim brave man and that's fine I guess fine fine fine fine that stopped one of these terrorists from killing innocent Jews but it requires the action of your government which you're not taking and you have to You come from the land down under.

Where shooters shoot and prime ministers blunder. Oh, man. I mean, the cancer metaphor really got away from me, but we'll just keep going. Exactly. I mean, and here's the annoying thing about everything he just said is that it's actually, it is not true. The idea that the Australian government has. not moved at the behest of the pro-Israel lobby in australia they have a very strong israel lobby there like is fucking absurd especially like any australian we have a big uh

australian fan base who watches and listens to this podcast they are currently punching their screens because of how draconian it's gotten in the last two years just this year alone all right so like uh blaming australia right for this attack is victim blamely In February of this year, they passed a new hate crime law that banned Nazi flags, which is good, fine, good enough. But then they also banned any flags of any organization they deemed terroristic, which of course includes Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, or any flags that kind of look like them, which is a very interesting point. But, you know, that's one of the actions they took. Also this year, New South Wales legislation created a specific offense for blocking, impeding, or hindering access into a place of worship. Did we really need a New South Wales?

I mean, he's not one South Wales enough. Who wants more Welsh? Especially South Welsh. But yeah, like you guys are in New York. You understand what kind of law this is and where it comes from. Very specifically, people have been protesting outside of synagogues that are holding essentially land sales for illegal settlements in the West Bank. I mean, these are, these are, that makes your, it doesn't matter where that's happening. If you were doing illegal land sales against international law, and people are protesting it's an ancient religious right, man.

That's true. I don't know what to say. We read real estate catalogs from left to right with a little pointer, and we chant the asking prices and the rates and all that. Yes, read from left to right. And they come furnished a lot of the time, and they're just like that. I know. There's no one there.

You just go there and you're like, oh, shit, it's weird. Oh, God, there's food on the stove. That's amazing. Oh, these guys kind of look like my family. Close enough, I guess. Yes. They've got to go, though. Yeah, they got to go.

Pre-war buildings. Yeah. I couldn't do something with that one. Yeah, well, we all try, and that's an important thing. It's okay. It's okay. Good to workshop stuff, you know? Yeah, that's what we're here for, man.

Yeah, we're just spitball on some ideas. Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, there's- Pre-war crimes, thank you. There we go. All right, just had to give it a second. Woo! Stuck the landing, really good.

Adam, really just cut it down to just when he said the good note. No, no, no. But then I want you to do a behind-the-scenes of how the joke went. Okay. Okay. And the last. Patreon only. Yeah.

Just a super cut of Daniel going, hold on, hold on. Wait a second. I'm almost there. I got a pun. It's cooking up right now. Let me cook. And also in Victoria, they responded to pro-weekly Palestine marches in Melbourne. By expanding the police powers, they essentially legalize stop and frisk.

Yep. Perfect. So no warrant, the cops can go in and arrest who they want and stop and frisk. You need to have stop and frisk in Australia, all these marsupials with pouches. That's true. What are you hiding in there, kangaroos? Oh, we're having fun. Woo, having a lot.

Sorry, I'm not thinking about a kangaroo getting frisked. They find a Palestinian flag in their pouch. Make a crocodile open up, you pull the flag. What do you got in there, mate? Oh, we got him. We got him. But yeah, I mean... Kuala Akbar.

Kuala Akbar. Oh, God. Stupid. Stupid. Yeah, I just... The idea, of course, that they've done nothing at all to curb anti-Semitism. I mean, that's a thing. It's like curbing anti-Semitism is one thing.

They've done things specifically to curb free speech. and curb the right of assembly curb civil liberties in Australia in order to appease the Israel lobby there. So it's just like looking at this fucking horrific human being who does

nothing but exploit the deaths of Jews wherever they happen. And also does everything in his power in order to create those deaths. I'm sorry but like you know I've said from the beginning that I, you know, the reason that I care about this stuff beyond Palestinian human

rights, you know, beyond being anti-apartheid state anywhere, is because I do care about anti-Semitism. And Israel is the biggest fucking exporter of anti-Semitism in the entire world. It is like what they do. They do not give a shit about the safety of Jews in the diaspora. And I know this because they exploit it whenever it does happen. They export it and then they import it because it's their main fuel source too yes and and you know uh it's the idea that the you know fighting anti-semitism narrative has been so cynically co-opted by these fucking fascists like it just makes me insane and i think it makes everyone else insane too so anyways there's going to be more uh information and um as to you know what exactly happened and the tragedy but it's a

truly horrible way to start this holiday season and I was talking with my wife about this and she put her hand on my shoulder and she was just like, Matt, I'm really, really sorry that you're going to have to do

this fucking podcast forever. Yep. And I was like, yep. I'm sorry too, you guys. It sucks. You're interested in inheriting? I will never come back. No, please.

We were hoping you might take over for us. I'm good. Oh, no, you could like, well, but you should, though. Guys, my last name is Wilson with two L's. I'm the waspiest chick who's ever lived. Like, that can't happen. Fuck! Okay.

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Double S, double L. I had an email address like that when I was like 12. Triumph of the, no, never mind. Double S. You don't want to have double S anywhere. Oh, God. You know, Chris says in Israel

I should have remembered where I was instead of, yeah. Oh, boy, party bell. Speaking of the SS, we need to talk about the way the way in which the Zion in the media sphere and, of course, the king of all pro-Israel advocacy, Jonathan Greenblatt,

the way they're talking about anti-Semitism now, especially with the rise of figures like Nick Fuentes and the rise of Candace Owens and all of these, you know, far-right populist, openly, anti-Semitic, openly Nazi, you know, media figures who are in these conservative institutions now. Um, and I just, I love it because he went on a, he went on a podcast with, uh, rabbi, uh, Ami Hirsch. Do you know, Amy Hirsch, Cassie? I, nope. Yeah. Last name is Wilson with two else.

I don't know about this step, I guess. Everyone you're mentioning, I'm like, nah, for sure. Am I supposed to know what that is? Yeah. Have you seen the movie, the movie footloose with the, with the, with the, with the, I'm too young for that. I'm so sorry. Ask your parents about it.

Yeah, I will. where there's this, you know, it's a small town where dancing is outlawed and the father of Kevin Bacon, the dancer, dancing teenager, is John Lithgow, a preacher, like a Puritan, you know, moralist who wants the teenagers to stop doing sexy things with their bodies. Ami Hirsch is like that kind of character if it was set at like a Jewish Zionist summer camp. He had a Yom Kippur sermon a couple of years ago or maybe last year when he, admonished the younger generation and said, we taught you

about Tikun Olam, which is the Hebrew term for, you know, repairing the world. JVP holds up that as a principle. But we didn't mean that you'd be pro-Palestine. We wanted you to be Zionists. Yeah. And then he said, if you...

What did you be Zionists? That's right. And if you're not a Zionist, then what, Matt? I don't know. You're emotionally damaged, Jewishly. Yes. Came in with both of them. Yeah. So he is, I mean, listen, this guy fucking sucks. And the fact that he has been someone who in any way is respected outside of like just the most far right, you know, far right Zionist fears is like insane to me.

He's very coded as like a reform or maybe conservative rabbi. Like I'm sure he's got a lot of liberal congregants. Actually, Cassie, he's the one who said, we met with a candidate. Zoran in the summer and we were very disturbed. And then recently he put out a tweet being like, we met with the mayor elect. And it was a good meeting, but I have to say I'm still very disturbed by his politics and we'll be keeping a close eye on him. Yeah. Yeah. He'll be hearing from him. He's a scumbag and he and his, you know, other scumbag homie, Jonathan Greenblatt, head of the ADL, had a podcast in which they were talking about, you know, far right anti-Semitism versus far-left anti-Semitism. And I just have to say

the way in which Zionists are so willing to allow space for Nazism, for literal actual Nazis, the way in which they're like forgiving

of, you know, these actual Nazis is like, it's wild to me to do it so, you know, openly. Here is Ami Hirsch, And Jonathan Greenblatt talking about that, here we go. Conspiracism and populism. I didn't mention that before, but the conspiracism is real.

The Jeffrey Epstein stuff plays into it. You know, a lot of the MAGA folks believe it. Now, by the way, I'm so, by the, wait, believe what? I need to stop you right there, buddy. A lot of the MAGA folks believe that he existed, that he, didn't kill himself like that his last name is outlandishly jewish that he's jewish the idea of like just throwing the epstein stuff in there and just being like you know as we all know that whole thing never happened not explaining it beautiful thank you what what is

the counter narrative to that i still don't know when they're just like oh this a whole epstein thing is um you know a conspiracy theory it's like wait But Jelaine Maxwell was arrested, tried, and convicted. Also, we have eight gabillion photos of the whole thing. It's like the most well-documented. Like, what are we thought? There's victims who are alive and have come forward. What is the conspiracy?

I think the conspiracy is there were a lot of non-Jewish statutory rapists on those planes and on the island. Yes, yes. And yet somehow we're always seeing, you know, Dershowitz and Epstein. Like, why are we focusing on the ones with Jewish? We're mostly focusing on Trump. That's what everyone's focusing on. Prince, Prince, whatever his name is. It's like, I'm sorry, but he's just, he is mad that the Epstein stuff is being talked about

because the guy's last name is Epstein and because he had, you know, uh, you know, Ehud Olmeir, the former PM of Israel, like, with him. What's it? Oh, no. Oh, it was Ehud Barak? It wasn't Omer. I think so. We should get this one right.

Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. Okay, let's look it up. Ehud Barak Epstein? Question mark? Who is? Yeah, yeah, okay. Omer was the mayor of Jerusalem.

Maybe both Ehud's were in there. Yeah, now I'm also searching Ehud-Omer Epstein. Wait, Ehud Olmer, one of Jeffrey Epstein, associates it can't it is it both it can't be hold on hold on guys uh hold on israel's x p m a hood barak and epstein had close ties a hood omer according to jerusalem post former p m omer because he was also p m uh mentioned as one of geoffrey epstein's associates and case documents okay they had both ehudes boys in the ehud a second ehud has in the first.

Sorry. A second A hoot has. Sorry. Has hit the Epstein files. God damn it. No. Oh my God. I'm just going to just any just any a hood will do.

So yeah, like just a crazy a crazy thing to throw in there for no fucking reason. Here we go. Here's more of. Jonathan Greenblatt talking about. these MAGA right wingers, these populists who are also Nazis. I should say, ADL is the 501.63. We don't do partisan politics. I don't care to tell people who to vote for.

My job is to call balls and strikes. I'm sorry. I love that. My job is to be the referee of politics. That's worse, buddy. Don't please do not frame this. Gaga balls and airstrikes. Thank you very much, Adam.

Whether or not the person, you know, the batters box is wearing a red jersey or a blue jersey. Same strike zone. But I admire the fact and appreciate that folks on the right are working through this literally right now as we speak. We have not yet seen that happen on the left in the same way. They're working it through, Cassie. They're working it through. Trust the process. The right wing, they're working through it.

I mean. Is it a answer? Is it a base? Like, what are we doing? The idea that the right wing is working through it is a, uh, It's a very, like, I don't know, it's a very soft way to peddle. The right wing is dealing with a huge Nazi contingent that has looked at the other parts of the right wing and says, guys, guys, we hate every non-white, non-Christian person.

Why would we not include Jews in that? And there's the other contingent that says, could you do a carve-out? Yeah, exactly. But, you know, come on. We're homies. tent. It's a big tent. You want an ethno state. We have an ethno state. Come on. Work with me. It's so much in common. It's a big, it's a big sucker. Yeah, it's a big sucker. Yes, yes. I was going to say that too. Yes. It's a minion. A thing I know about. Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Jue stuff.

For sure. That's why we brought you on. Gassie Wilson. Happy to be here. Do a skit. but yeah i mean i just i love the way in which you can sit there with a straight face is the head of the 80 fucking l and just be like hey listen i really admire the way the right wing is like you know working through this like weird little problem meanwhile the left i haven't seen one of them work through it and it's like the first of all um the left does not have a nazi problem yeah they're not much to work through there's nothing to work through there step two despite not having a

Nazi problem, the Democratic and liberal institutions have done everything in their power to disenfranchise people who are pro-Palestine. Everything, capitulated at every single fucking moment to the point at which New York City, the city with the most Jews in the world, was like, you know what, we're going to vote for Zoran Mandani because we don't believe in this fucking bullshit. You know, like, who are we fucking kidding here? Meanwhile, You got fucking more of this, you know, unfortunately. Ami Hirsch and him talking about left versus right. So I'm going to play a little bit more just for all of our edification.

It's about the left now, which you equated or compared to climate change. And I think maybe the dam is bursting on that. What? Hold on, hold on, hold on. I wasn't ready for that. Another metaphor. Yeah. Well, the left is a lot like climate change, you know.

Well, we are hotter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the left is causing a migrant crisis, I assume that's where he's going with this. Refugees. The right is working through that one, too. That's right, yeah. In greater effects on the climate every day in the left-wing parties. Very alarmed. Democratic Party and now with the mayoral election in New York City.

What do you say? Well, first of all, what are your general? observation. So we have hurricanes on one side and tornadoes on the other. They have the same destructive force. And it's all in a baseball diamond. Yeah. And also cancer. You know what? I love, I may not love race mixing, but I love mixing metaphors. That's my favorite pastime. Like baseball. We haven't had a mass casualty event in America like the Tree of Life Massacre, which was done by a white supremacist angry about immigration

by someone on the quote unquote left and on the other hand we have people on the far left justifying like a biblical catastrophe or cataclysm like I've covered a Sabbath oh Jesus Christ that's the first time I've heard

well hold on a fucking second that's literally the first time I've heard a Hasbarist call it biblical except when the Zionist state of Israel used the Bible to justify what it did in its aftermath. That's right.

Yeah, that's the only time it's been biblical is when they're like... Do not spare Amalek. Yeah, the enemy is Amalek. That's the only time it's been biblical. Yeah, I love that we have moved on from calling October 7th the Holocaust to calling it a biblical, a tragedy of biblical proportions. I also, like he is mentioning the Tree of Life Synagogue here, which was a shooting that happened in Pittsburgh. I think I'm not

sure how many were killed, but I think it was above 10. And it was done by a racist, white supremacist anti-Semitic Nazi dude who went in there and he was specifically targeting Jews because he believed that Jews were responsible for the, you know,

immigration policy that was bringing migrants in. A conspiracy theory spread by all of his fucking allies. Okay, but on the other hand, on the other hand, on the other hand, On the other hand, he never posted a Miss Rachel in me. That's right. On the other hand, he has never hung out with Ms. Rachel.

His hands are clean. His hands are clean on that score, man. Yeah, exactly. So is he really that bad? He's working through it as well. He's just here to call balls and strikes, you know? Exactly. All I know is foul ball on both sides.

I love how the baseball metaphor stops working immediately when you realize one of the things you would have to metaphor is, mass shooting of Jews it's like what is that is that grand slam? Where do I fit that in? Yeah that's a foul tip That's like the dugout or something Is that a strikeout?

Coach got really mad I don't Is that a perfect game? I don't know where we're going with this medical I'm just calling balls and strikes Yeah exactly We're going in the extra innings Fucking God Justifying it

Literally describing Some of the perpetrators who were caught and captured as hostages, which is so profane, I hesitate to even say it out loud. Yeah, I'm sorry, but the people who we describe as hostages are the, what is it, upwards of 3,000 people, Palestinians who are in administrative detention

with no charges because they live under military law. Those are hostages. In fact, I know they're hostages because they literally do exchange of captives between Palestinians. and Israelis all the time. It is literally a program of we need to get Palestinians so we have people to trade with.

And he's right. It is profane to call, you know, combatants captured in military operations. Hossages. Agreed. And he was doing a lot of that regarding a good portion of the so-called hostages in Gaza who were captured from military bases,

who were active to these soldiers. The majority of the, after the cease-finding, deal in November 2023, in which there was an actual captives exchange. 23 or 24? 23. Really? That soon. Yeah, it was the one and only hostage deal that actually happened until very, very

recently. And then they spent the rest of the time during the genocide, doing genocide, saying we're doing it to save the hostages. The remaining captives there were, I think, by and large, if not, completely IDF. I think serving IDF or former IDF, which I guess

they're all former IDF, so maybe that's not a fair metric. But yeah, I mean, what are we doing here? They were putting out articles about they were describing, I think, I Don Alexander, IDF soldier.

They described them as being kidnapped from his tank. That's right. You can't get, that is a prisoner of war. As I said at the time So much for that vaunted Arab hospitality You know what I'm saying

Yeah exactly And I don't Alexander by the way Recently He gave a speech where he's like I'm re-enlisting Yes I'm going back in I'm getting back on the horse

Yeah that's right What do we do when we fell down Messed the way? Do you guys ever seen Batman? Yes No I'm too young sorry Yeah Wasn't born yet

You guys know about Michael Kane What do he do? It's about to plow the plow the dolls off. You guys got to watch more here. It's just so disgraceful and amoral. But the reality is there are segments of the far left which have been consumed by this anti-Zionist ideology. And we've talked on your show before,

and I'm pretty out there saying anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism because it is. I'm pretty out there. I'm pretty out there. I'm kind of a big deal in the anti-Semitism is anti-Zionism world. Yeah. I'm really brave for saying it. A lot of people are calling me really brave for saying that.

I mean, I don't want to to do my own horn or anything, but I got some takes. One of my hottest is anti-Zionism equals anti-Semitism. No big deal. I know it's a bit radical for you. Kind of the groundbreaking stuff happening over here. Yeah, exactly. I'm a bit of an arture. The sky is blue.

You know, I also think that the world is not flat. I mean, anti-Zionism. Keep going. No, keep going. Yeah, yeah. Where's the baseball metaphor? I want that. I also think that a bull is not a strike.

That's right. Yeah, exactly. I believe the latest way that anti-Jewish hate is normalized and legitimized with a pseudo-scientific or pseudo-political veneer. What are we talking about? I have no idea. You know how you guys get all your pro-Hama scientists to go in there and look at x-rays of children.

astronomers hate Jews saying that oh is this that anti-Semitic chemistry no thank you looking at the Geneva Convention under a microscope exactly if you look real closely it says we can kill anybody that's on the periodic

table it's one of the elements the element of surprise the tropes and if you listen to the words and you see them for where they are like the the the the rabbit anti-zionist is just i like that's my banning the sorry rabbit that's yeah yeah yeah the caption said the rabbit anti-sionist it is wascaly waddy waddy oh god hold on that calls for just a second oh go that calls for this

just a second oh watch up doc demingala beautiful really good perfect you know it's just it's rare when we we have such a specific clip that can be used more than once. You hit that one out of the park. That was a softball. You, gosh, you caught that one. Right down the middle.

Golden gloves. I don't know. So, yeah, that was our boys, Rabbi Hirsch and Jonathan Greenblatt. I think we need to end this podcast with, I think, of our new favorites out here. Do you think so, Daniel? Yeah, yeah, I love this guy. He's always given us, you know, stuff to chew on, food for thought. Yeah, a lot of food. A lot of, a lot of snacks for thought. Yeah, it's the thought, you know, not much thought actually goes into the

food, which I always like. But this is Adam Lewis Klein, who is a PhD student at McGill, I think. Yeah. And he's really, he's really pioneering the sort of this new genre of like, academic parsing of anti-Zionism as a problematic like he's just basically doing a pretty good caricature

of the most obtuse woke academic tropes but he's doing it in the service of pure evil yeah it's kind of it's like it's like kind of impressive because the way that he

I don't know, talks about it is like so stupid it should be parody it actually should be parody this is just like very deadpan parody. A previous example of he likes to do a lot of artwork by which I mean he asks

AI to make him graphic designs and he had one that said BDS is apartheid. Oh my God. Which of course is completely absurd being that BDS is literally the tactic taken by the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa.

He needs to do like a Keith Herring style taken from the AIDS crisis, you know? Yes. They're all holding hands. That's the one name this is missing, yeah. Holding hands. Holding hands condemning Hamas. All right.

But here is the most recent thing. And what is he talking about here? He's talking about the other Albanese. Oh, look at this. Double Albinazza, baby. And her, her. latest UN reporter, she's the special rapporteur, who, by the way, you know, I saw a clip of her talking to, I forget who it was, actually, it was Tucker Carlson of all people. And she was talking

about the, the, friend of the show. Friend of the show. Well, you know, sometimes agreeer with the show. What can we say? We're living in times when, you know, he visited Palestinian refugee amputees in Qatar and, you know, at least performed the, the, the empathy of, I mean, it's far better than is then his embassy rivals you're doing. This is why I fucking hate liberals. This is why I hate liberals. I'm like this is you are

losing what is essentially a woke battle. It's the opposite of stay in your lane. It's get back in your fucking lane. Yeah. Stop seating your lane. So anyway, she was talking to him about how you know

Israel and the Zionist empire has ruined her ability to move through the world. She can't book hotels. That's her. She can't use her financial instruments. If her daughter tries to help her out with booking accommodations, she can be charged with aiding and abetting a terrorist.

Yeah. I mean, it's fucking crazy. They've absolutely done what a mafia does, which is they make your life miserable for stepping out of the line. So here's Adam Lewis Klein parsing very carefully, reading the text and the subtext and the context of her latest report. Francesca Albanese's report, anatomy of a genocide bears a revealing title. The term anatomy is not incidental. It signals a visual

and epistemic posture. You know what epistemic means, Matt? Uh, no, actually. I don't think anyone knows what that means. Epistemological. Yeah, which which has to do, I think, if I remember, I'm not going further than that. I was at, I did McGill philosophy way back when you got to do with how we know things. Epistemology is the study of knowledge and how it's derived and, you know, on the basis of what do we know things? So it signals a visual and epit, but he knows that most people reading this have no idea what that means.

It signals a visual and epistemic posture, one that presumes the legitimacy of inspection, dissection, and exposure. You mean the legitimacy of inspection, dissection, and exposure that is granted to the UN special rapporteur for human rights? I mean... Yeah, it presumes that the fucking United Nations

has a role to play, and some authority over world affairs. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You'd think. You would think. To anatomize is to render an object open to scrutiny. Oh, my God.

To lay it bare under an authoritative gaze. Nerd. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up, nerd. You're being so annoying. Oh, is there a locker that we can stuff this guy in? He loves talking about the gaze, the projective anti-Zionist gaze.

He loves talking about gays. He loves talking about gays. Well, because he's borrowing from feminists. By the way, G-A-Z-E. He's borrowing from postmodern. He's barring from Foucault. He's borrowing from Judith Butler. He's trying to sound smart and thoughtful.

In this sense, the title already performs the operation it claims to describe. Like the board game? He's spoiled. Don't touch the sides. That's a strikeout. You're the doctor. All right. That was an operation.

from the 80s, from what I remember. Wasn't alive, so I couldn't tell you. I'm just going to keep laying on them. I'm also as young. I'm also that young. Keep going. Oh, here I go. It stages Israel as a body to be looked into,

penetrated, and morally examined. Stop raping Israel with your laws. Oh, my God. This fucking, that is insane. You saying the use of anatomy is so that we can, so we can violate. your body this like

again like the most powerful like military industrial like oh it's so weak and we describe it as anatomy it's vulnerable shut the fuck up what are we even again oh my god he's just he's such a

beautiful a beautiful buffoon like there's something about that level of thinking where you're just like is there really I don't know, like a dorky, existential way to be pro-genocide. Right. It's called anatomy of a genocide.

If anything, it's looking into a genocide. The idea is like, it's the anatomy. Oh, I see what you're trying to say. You're trying to say you're going to penetrate Israel, my wife. Leave my wife alone. You could do the anatomy of a hammerhead shark. You could do the anatomy of Thanos. You could do the anatomy of.

Any being that has a body. The anatomy of a fall. Great movie. Totally. Anatomy of, yeah. A kangaroo, anything. Yeah, you go into the pouch, find the flag. Oh, God, just this fucking psychopath.

It's one of the worst tweets I've ever seen in my life. Isn't that incredible? On so many levels. He's a machine of them, too. He just pumps them out. It's like, it's like kind of impressive because it's, you know, most people have jobs. He's like so happy once he sends one of them out. He's like, this will get him.

Yeah. The navel gazing is crazy. It is, Bucky. It is essentially the world saying to Israel, you deserved it because of the flag you were wearing. That's right. That's right. Because of the flag you were wearing when you bombed those children. Does he know about IDF soldiers literally raping Palestinians all the time?

Should we tell him about that? Looking into that is a version of raping my beautiful country. Right. Who is my wife? It is just, it is, it is, uh, It is a constant, just horrific cluster fuck of lies and propagated on this beautiful podcast. And I got to say, what an amazing time it is to do it. And what an amazing choice it is to come guest on this show.

Yes, yes, it is. I've got to say, guys, it is exactly what I expected. So great. Welcome to the fun house, baby. Well, we couldn't do it alone. And we need people like you who are willing to undergo this. Happy to be here. Happy to be here.

Just thrilled to be included. There's nothing better than the feeling of, oh, we're ending. Thank God. Okay. I need to go thinking that. Everyone take a deep sigh of relief, have a bowl of soup, and enjoy the rest of your day. Cassie, where can people find you and find your content? Oh, you know, everywhere is my name, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube.

I promise I will post another video at some. point and uh you better now that ticot's about to be in the hands of the ellison larry ellison also we're two ells ellic so no relation even though two ls so yeah yeah i'll probably try to branch out but yeah try and up the ellicens well anyways we had a great time cassie thank you for coming on we love having you on please come back soon we're going to i i cannot promise that but thank you so much for this opportunity. We'll see you next week, Cassie. And thank you to everyone out there for watching, listening to another episode.

Patreon.com slash bad as barra. Bad as barra at gmail.com for your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea. Stop giggling, kids. We're studying anatomy. Beautiful.

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