Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 170: Cherry First Amendment, with Krystal Ball

Episode Date: January 6, 2026

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everybody and happy new year and welcome to Bad Hasbara fresh and most moral for 2026 you suckers Hell yeah my name is Matt Lieb I will be your most moral co-host for this year Whoa

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as opposed to, you know, different organizations that are on the ground. A lot of those organizations that we've shut it out before are being criminalized now. And this is, you know, obviously going to, you know, it's going to take a lot of us figuring out where to send money to in order to make sure that people in Gaza are getting the help that they require. But Gaza funds is a good place to go if you want to donate directly to people. So do it. Do that. It is worth more than getting an extra episode of the world's stupidest podcast every week. But you should also get the world's stupidest podcast every week. Daniel, New Year, New Jew. What's the spin? Wow, man, it's been a couple of weeks since we did this. So I apologize. I got a bit of a stack here. Oh, no. I mean, yay. I'm going to go super quick. But it is the New Year. So I did, I started with songs themed around the New Year, the Breeders.

Last Splash starts with a song called New Year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got an album by the queer disco legend Sylvester. Why did I choose Sylvester? Because actually in Israel, they call New Year's December 31st Silvestel. I think it's the feast of St. Sylvester. So it's like a Christian reference. Because they can't say Rochechashana because that's other songs and albums with years in the title,

Summer of 69 by Brian Adams off the album, Reckless. I thought that was Bowie. Rush 2112 Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Deltron 3030 Okay Dell the funky homo sapiens

These are like years Now we're doing years Now we're doing years I like that I like that Talking Head 77 Mm-hmm Mm-hmm

Dr. Drey 2001 Oh yeah Hell yeah I've got bone thugs E99 E99 on the shelf But that's our But we've already done that one

So no Of course I'm gonna reef us Send him straight to heaven It's the fit It's the fifth of the month We gonna get paid by Patreon 1999 by Prince

Okay 1984 by Van Halen Okay And two more There's a group 1979 by Smashing Pumpkins It's not an album but it's a good song No that's coming

There's a group called the 1975 A Millennial group that I quite like I know them They're quite good I know of them Which is rare for me a brief inquiry into online relationships. 1975, the year I was born,

and I like this band quite a lot. The kids are all right. And finally, like you said, melancholy in the infinite sadness, smash him pumpkins, box set with the song, 1979. I love it. I love it.

That's my massive, my fat stack. It'll be less fat next time, I problem. Hell yeah. Keep on spinning in the new year. So those are what's spinning for all of you, 2026ers out there who are listening. I say that because I assume some people will listen in 2027 and years after. Before we get started to introduce our guests, we have to do something a clarification of sorts. We don't often do this. No, we don't. We don't usually hold ourselves

to a journalistic standard. You know, we can get away with a lot because we're a comedy podcast And so, but sometimes, yeah, I mean, clarifications and corrections are in order. As someone who is an accidental award-winning journalist, as some of you may know, I worked for AJ Plus, and we did get an award, the, what was it called? It's a society of professional journalists. Yeah, no, I mean, I have it. It's like, it's on my wall behind me somewhere. But yes, I'm an award-winning journalist somehow. And I need to live up. to the standards that are accidentally expected of me. So our last episode of Badisbarra was, of course,

about the Canadian podcaster, Jesse Brown. And much to my surprise, it turns out he was listening to the episode. And he took umbrage with some misinformation that I spread. I think he's low-key a Patreon member. I think he's got a self-pump account. Yeah. I mean, listen, if he's, a Patreon member, I would just encourage him to subscribe for the full year.

Because for the full year, not only do you get a discount, but you get a year's worth of wonderful bonus content. Anyways, he thought that I had implied that he would never be willing to come on bad Hasbara. I, uh, is that because you said that? Uh, well, sort of. This is, this is, uh, this is what I, this is what was set right here. I'm not entirely against maybe, well, never mind.

I was going to say talking to Jesse Brown, but I don't think he'll want to talk to us after today. So that is what I said. I'm not entirely against maybe, well, never mind. And so what followed after that was a back and forth between Daniel and Jesse in which he informed us that he, was willing to come on and he's unafraid to come on. And Daniel

had clarified that this is a comedy show and not a debate show. And you even offered to have a conversation with Jesse on a different YouTube channel. We could talk to him on your YouTube channel or on his show. Happy to do that. Yeah, I tried to explain that Matt was being glib because that's all Matt knows how to do. Yeah, Matt Glib. Matt Glebe. Matt Glebe.

Matt Glebe. exactly um but uh he essentially ignored that offer instead insisted that we clarify his position and our position i did offer to i did offer to clarify to be fair i did yes yes you offered to and he took and he took us up on that offer yes he did he said and i'm just reading from the uh final exchange thanks again for the response i accept your offer to clarify this on your next episode i'm going to do an impression of him i know he doesn't sound like this jesse your voice very low very booming but I'm going to make you sound like this. Specifically, Matt's comment

that I probably wouldn't be willing to come on the show after the critical episode about me is what requires clarification. I'd like Matt to clarify. Oh, sorry. This inaccurately suggested that I was asked on the show or would be welcome on the show if only I would be willing.

Okay? I'd like Matt to clarify that this was never the case. that I am in fact willing to come on the show but you won't have me on. Thanks again for clearing this up. It's a basic matter of honest. I like how he's become Wallace Sean

and the Princess Bride. Yeah. And in fact, but you invited me on the podcast. And in fact, I never said that I would not come on the podcast. So therefore, and then he passes out and dies.

I think it's a basic matter of honesty to your listeners who have been, who you have misinfore. inconceivable. So that's what he wrote. We just inform our viewers all the time. I know.

I just, I love the basic matter of honesty that what I, when I said, you know, I'm not entirely against that I should clarify that I am mostly against. Yeah. But for the sake of journalistic integrity, I will issue this clarification. If anyone thought that I was implying that Jesse Brown

would be too afraid to come. come on bad has barra i just want to clarify that in fact no jesse brown is not afraid to speak on a podcast he is no coward he is brave the real cowards are the podcasts who won't book him as a guest the bad has baras the joe rogans the call your daddies the hoc tuas of the world talk toa jessie Brown, you cowards. Now, some may ask why I will not talk to a Jesse.

Now, I could say what we've already told them, which is that we'd be happy to talk to him on another channel, but this is a comedy podcast, and I have a general rule about not booking people who refuse to call this a genocide. It kind of fucks up the comedy, the vibes are off. But in truth,

that's only half true. The full truth is that I'm afraid. I'm afraid that Jesse Brown will be too funny. I mean, we're talking about a man who once published a podcast called Pretendians,

which called out non-Indigenous people who falsely claimed indigenous ancestry and who is now carrying water full for a state full of pretendians.

That is too funny. We cannot compete with that. That level of joke is too good. I am afraid. But Jesse, Jesse wants us to be absolutely clear.

He is unafraid to go on podcast. A mere mortal might be afraid to, sure. You know, after two and a half hours of hearing someone talk shit about you, most people would be shaking and crying, but not Jesse Brown. He loves it. He urns for it.

He welcomes the pain. He gets off on it. Feels good. Oh, you can insult me, daddy. Jesse Brown is not a coward. Okay? And I struggle to think of things that Jesse is afraid of,

other than, like, obvious things like anti-Semitism or, things that feel like anti-Semitism or things that aren't anti-Semitism. But if you squint, it could be. He is afraid of things that any person would be afraid of, like Hamas or things that feel like Hamas or vaguely Hamas like words, like hummus, student protesters or teacher protesters, or parent protesters, people talking about Israel, people asking him about Israel, people asking him again about Israel, his own thoughts about Israel, people learning his own thoughts

about Israel, he's afraid of normal stuff like Canadians or Canada land, his own staff at Canada land, his former staff at Canada land, Palestinian human rights, calling something a genocide that the entire international human rights community is called a genocide. Arabic, the language, Arabs, the people, Greeks, probably, Muslims, spiders, snakes, quicksand, Other journalists, Greta Toonberg, Rachel Gilmore, The Creeping Shadow of Death, Octopus plushies, Octopi, Octopi, Octopussy from James Bond, Octomom, Octagons, Dracula's. And, of course, speaking to Daniel and I on a different podcast, these are all normal things that everyone is afraid of. Yeah, but coming on Bad Hasbara, nope, never. The guy is a tank. So I just want to make sure you all know.

that it's clear that he's the bravest person we've ever talked about. Matt, that was stunning and brave. Thank you for doing that. It was very vulnerable for you to admit the fear of being shown up by him comedically on this podcast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and I do want to reiterate. Like, this is, yeah, this is not a podcast where we bring on people

who fundamentally disagree with the moral framework of everything we do here. The closest we've ever come was inviting someone who, was on the very verge of giving up his liberal Zionism forever and ever, and he did so within five days of the interview. That's right. And even that was a bit of a stretch for us, but it was a worthwhile one. Yes, I think so, too. In the case of someone who's been running interference for the very genocide word of crying,

we just have nothing to joke about in this space. But I did, like you said, put out an invitation that him and I, or the three of us, either way, because he said he's not afraid of a little two on one. He literally said that. could do this somewhere else where it wouldn't distract from the puerile idiocy that we're trying to seriously accomplish here. And so far, in several email exchanges, Jesse's had not one word to say about that invitation.

I haven't heard back. I hope he'll respond to that part of my email, which was most of it. No, I don't think it's because he's... I don't think it's because it's a different thing. Well, look, he demanded satisfaction. and I believe he has been granted, I believe he will be satisfied with this clarification. That was hella journalistic.

Listen, they don't call me an accidental award-winning journalist for nothing. Correct. Now we got to bring on our guest, and I'm so excited about our guest. This next guest needs no introduction. I say that as someone who actually watches this show and has watched her on other shows before. She is the co-host of breaking points and of Crystal Kyle and friends. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome to the podcast, Crystal Ball.

Hi, guys. Hey, how are you doing? I'm good. That was fun. Your intro, I liked it. Thanks for hanging in there. Daniel, that Sean Wallace impression was pretty impressive. I know.

That was not bad. Thank you. Well, that's actually my, I'm sending up my little Wallace-Shon bat signal. We'd love to have him on here. he's done he's been a great advocate for all that'd be amazing yes him and mandy patinkin yeah mandy now mandy now going forward as well i feel you know uh carry elwis or however you pronounce it where are you at dog let's get all of the princess bride what gives robin right yeah you know i actually come to think of it billy crystal that would be nice that would be

nice um have have fun storming the separation wall Yeah. So Crystal, thank you for coming on. Like I said, I've been a fan of you for a while. I think it was during the lead up to the 2020 Democratic primary that I started watching Rising with you on it. And then after you left Rising, watching you now on breaking points. So big fan. Love that you're here. That's very kind of you. Yeah, that was such a different time. Felt hopeful. watching Bernie Wind, Nevada and feels like aeons ago. Right before the whole world just went insane.

It was such a moment of hope. And it is gone now. We were just talking about how we only allow a certain bandwidth of disagreement on this show. I mean,

many of our guests disagree with each other, but, you know, not here. Yeah. Because it's a comedy show. But you, you know, part of what you've made

your bones doing is co-hosting a show opposite, someone who sees the world in some ways pretty fundamentally differently from you, has that, I haven't, I have to say, I haven't kept abreast of sort of Sagar's evolution on or is positioned towards what's been going on in Israel, Palestine. But what's that, how has it been navigating those tensions or those differences, which are usually so productive and so much a part of your brand, frankly, and what makes the show valuable in the past couple of years?

Yeah, I think it's, I mean, I do think it's one of the things that people like about the show is that, you know, there are certainly moments of agreement, but there are also moments of like deep philosophical disagreement. Fortunately on Israel, we do look at the world differently, but there is enough sort of of a shared understanding of reality that that topic was not so difficult for us to cover together. And we had our moments because he's very like, you know, he doesn't really believe that. international law even should be a thing. He comes much from the more like realist perspective of we just shouldn't have anything to do with this. I come obviously with more of a like international left human rights perspective. So we've clashed over that and had that battle out. But overall, we're kind of in the same place with regard to Israel and the genocide in Gaza. We have had a debate over the specific use of the word genocide. But in any case, we can put that aside. I think we've had

more sort of heated squabbles or disagreements over immigration. with ICE and Sikod, and those have been some of the probably most tense and most difficult moments on the show to work through. But the reason that it works is that Sager can be persuaded, and he does have a fundamental commitment to, like, facts and reality, right? So he's not going to be the guy going out there and sharing the, you know, AI, Venezuela video or, like, buying into the Husbarra. Like, he, if he sees that something is inaccurate, he takes that into his worldview.

And so for me, as long as that is the case, you know, then that's someone that you can have a reasonable exchange with. I relate to you guys, though, saying, like, we're not having anyone on who doesn't see it as a genocide. Because I, obviously, in the context of our show, we do have people on who would not have that view. But I am no longer interested in, like, debating whether it is or whether it isn't. I think if you at this point are still looking at everything we've seen and you've lived in this world and you've, you've, you've, you've, you know, watched all of the horror unfolding on your feed every day and you're still arguing that this is all fine and good and moral. Like, I just, I don't think there's anything productive that you can do with that whatsoever at this point. Right. Yeah. At that point, you know,

to me it feels like a, uh, just allowing someone to spout out, uh, spout out some denialism that would be time better spent with them and a therapist. Like that's true. Seriously. It just, It comes to a point where when you are so divergent in your worldview or in the view of reality or in your morality or in your morality where you need to argue about the semantics of a genocide, then I'm like, I can't help you with this. If we can't agree on this as a foundation for a conversation, then you can just deny everything. And at that point, what's the point of talking. I mean, it works with you and Saga because you're each coming from some first principles

that are explicitly stated. Yes. Like you're each transparent about this is the fun, these are the fundaments of my worldview. For him, it's individual liberty in America first or I don't know if he's an American first. But a certain, you know, focus on what's good for us and let's, you know, let's decouple ourselves from the welfare state or whatever. Okay, those are, those are intelligible first principles and you have your first

principles, right? And then you can take a look at the world through each of your lenses and see how those two views line up and where they don't. If you're debating with a Zionist, it's tough because they don't have any first principles except this country is sacrosanct to me. Right. Right. And whatever and might makes right, essentially. And Jews are permanent victims. They're sectarian tribalist first principles. And it's not, it's not any fun to try and make a show around those kinds of disagreements so yeah that's that's exactly right and you know as one example like we're a week our whole show today was about venezuela and you see so many right wing influencers who five seconds ago we're like oh my god no more forever wars no more interventions no more regime change wars

and then once daddy trump does it then all of a sudden it's like greenlands next let's go america you know based based based and you know that's never like saga was like no i'm opposed to it then I'm opposed to it now. I think this is terrible. I think there's horrendous risk here calling out the people who do change on a dime and have absolutely no principles. So Daniel, to your point about him actually having some first principles, yeah, I mean, you can have an engagement. You can have a battle of ideas. You can cover the news and have a shared reality if you have someone who wants to deal in reality and does have some sort of philosophical grounding that they stick to.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of Venezuela, you mentioned something about an. AI video. And I don't know what exactly you're referring to, but I do have this very real video of people in Venezuela celebrating Maduro's deposition. So, finally, is free. The people are yore for their liberty. Thanks to the United for liberate. And live a liberty. So this is real, right, guys? Is this, um, yeah, see, this is a real.

Okay, the dictator fell, finally. We're free, we're free. Look at the very real emotion on his face. How could you deny him? What confuses me about the, I don't know, proliferation of AI videos

that you see now is like, I understand that there's plenty of hogs out there who will believe, you know, anything that they see. I'm one of them. I wouldn't have even thought AI if you hadn't pointed it out. I'm still very slow on the uptake. Well, I guess that kind of answers my question, which is like, is anyone with a normal brain actually look at that video and get confused? But I suppose so. And that's a bummer. Hey man, normal's a myth. I heard. Yeah, that's

right. You wrote a book about that. I want to ask you, Crystal, about Venezuela, because obviously this is the big story going on right now. And we, of course, have a pigeonhole ourselves into a podcast not about that but why not just bring it up anyways um regarding venezuela uh have you and uh sager talked about this and and uh his his positions on it you were saying you know he's he's against it have you seen i guess with other uh liberals i guess he's not a liberal but when you talk to liberals have you noticed a sort of change in the attitude of when they talk about this where they say things like he was no angel when it comes to any time a regime change happens. There's always a need for a lot of throat clearing about, oh, he's a bad guy.

Yeah. It's like, you know, you can just leave that aside. And to be honest with you, I really think that comes more from like elected Democratic leadership than it does from the base of the party. Because one of the things I'm genuinely hopeful about is I think the base of the party has become much more radical. I think they see that the. status quo approach, you know, the sort of negotiation with fascism. I think that they see that failed. Israel, Gaza, I think, has been a major moral dividing line where it's just they have no use anymore for Cory Booker being, oh, APAC, I don't know. Why are you focusing on that?

I don't know if I can say Netanyahu's a war criminal or Gavin Newsom being like, oh, you're asking me about APAC? That's interesting. That's interesting that you're asking me about APAC insinuating that his questioner was an anti-Semite, of course. They have no patience for that anymore. So I think they're looking much more for the unvarnished truth as told by people like Graham Platner, I think, has been fantastic. I think Rokana's been fantastic. He has a different sort of style, but he's been very straightforward and hasn't needed to do all the throat clearing about like, well, of course he's a bad guy. And of course we're happy for Venezuela that he's gone, blah, blah, blah. It's like we would have been like, we would have liked to have been asked.

We would have liked to have been invited to the cool kids party. You didn't notify us within the appropriate 48 hours so look we would have been on board with it but you know you just didn't come you didn't follow the rule they're like the boss in office space they sidle up to your desk it's like um so yeah yeah you didn't file your cps report i'm gonna need you to file the cps report next time you want to invade a sovereign country and abduct its its leader yeah so if you could do that that would be great yeah and i love that the uh you know republic party is just like Milton from office space, which is just like, I'm just going to shoot up the office. I'm going to put, I'll put strict nine in the guacamole.

Like, he's completely... Never thought of them that way, but it kind of works, actually. Yeah. I mean, you know, so it's, it's interesting seeing these two approaches. I would like to see the, I would like to see the MAGA base be more like Milton. Excuse me. You were supposed to be, it's supposed to be America first. You said America first. You said, no more foreign, for, for, you know, you promise me. and you promise. I want to ask about that, you know, and I'm sorry for asking about someone else's

opinion, but when it comes to Sagar, one of the things I find interesting about him. The Saga continues. Yeah, the Sager continues. But when he, you know, talks about Israel, one of the things I like about him is that he does, I think, correctly point out that this was a campaign, the Trump campaign and administration that sort of promised, you know, an end to forever wars or end to regime change. They were able to somehow steal that lane from the Democrats. So he's pointed out, of course, through the actions of Trump actually not being, you know, a dove, but instead being a hawk, that this is inconsistent

with this America First worldview. What are his thoughts, if you know, about the fact that now the America firsters, including actual anti-Semites like Nick Fuentes, are being like, actually, yeah, this is, you know, doing this to Venezuela is pretty based, actually. This is America First technically, if you think about how we need the oil or whatever. Yeah, I mean, he's disgusted by it. He's just, we talked about it on the show today, and he was calling on all these people who are suddenly like, Monroe Doctrine, the Monroe doctor, and he's like, you don't even know what you're talking. You literally don't know what you're talking about. And we can all see your old posts where you were saying the exact opposite of what

you're saying now. So somehow they're going with this argument of like, oh, it's Venezuela, it's not the Middle East. So this is totally different, guys. This time it's going to work out. So he sees through that very clearly. What's interesting is actually there's the people who've been good on the Middle East have been, I mean, Marjorie Taylor Green's statement about Venezuela. Oh, I didn't know. She had a good statement about it. She had a very good statement. Oh, okay. The only thing I would quibble with is, I mean, listen, you take what you can get, right?

It's a Republican, like, let's be clear. But, I mean, she does the whole, like, well, if you're really concerned about drugs, then maybe we should bomb Mexico. It's like, no, no, no. Okay. I didn't see that part. But the rest of it was very good. I didn't see that part. I'll quibble.

And I do think, you know, it, it had, there are very few on the right that are actually good on Israel and have, you know, align with some of the policy that we would like to see who aren't genuinely anti-Semitic. And it's like libertarians and then people who have this like principled realist view. So I feel very fortunate to work with one of those people because, you know, I think you do see the danger and the allure of the Nick Fuentes types right now, who is just like an out and out neo-Nazi, you know, does not share our worldview at all just starts with from a completely different place of this ethnic sectarian, like frankly disgusting worldview. But when you have so little space to criticize Israel without being called an anti-Semite, like it's no surprise that someone

like that is going to rise in popularity because they're saying, look, look, we were right. Look, the Jews won't even let you tell the truth about what's going on here. Look at all the power that they have. And for a lot of people, that's going to ring true to them in this moment. And it's, you know, that's one of the things that is deeply disturbing to me and that I've had to really think about how do you deal with that when the term anti-Semitism has been so, like, cheapened and just, you know, you just, you say it and you already feel ridiculous because it just gets thrown around so much for such ridiculous things. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And we're going to be, I love it when my community works hard to live up to Nick Fuentes' expectations.

I know. I mean, you see Miriam Adelson there with Trump and he's like, she's like, I'm going to give you $250 million more dollars next time. So you're like, stop doing this, please. Yes. I'm going to give you Jewish money because I control.

And it's like, stop saying this. This is not good for us. So you're one of these voices in the past two years that's just been unrelenting and unstinting in your language about this. You haven't pulled punches. And, you know, we know, we have mutual friends

and colleagues who have paid with their jobs, You know, Brianna Joy Gray lost her job at Rising over an eye roll. What's it been like for you in your ad hoc role as a counter-hazbarist? Did you ever see this? Did your own reaction, the force of your reaction, your own willingness to step out on this, surprise you at all? Is this a role you ever saw yourself in? And what have you dealt with?

Can you give us some low lights or highlights in terms of what you've had to face in the past a couple of years. I mean, I'm in a very fortunate position because no one can fire me. So not to say I can't be canceled, like we rely on Spotify, putting on our podcast and Apple and YouTube. And so you do have those worries. We also have faced, I don't know if we've said this publicly, but I'll tell you guys, GHF threatened to sue us. And, you know, you have to take those thing seriously because GHF is the the fake

humanitarian foundation that was set up by if they really wanted to scare you and shot a bunch of people looking to get food exactly I was going to say if GHF really wanted to scare you they threatened to cook you a meal exactly like just come over

for dinner I'm like wait a second the real threat is inviting you to a restaurant but yeah I mean you have to take it seriously because they have you know official US government bag officials really get backing even though they tried to act like they're this independent entity now they basically don't exist anymore so i think we dodged that bullet but um literally i guess but um but you know that for me i feel like i can't imagine having done anything differently

you know i mean what you've got people who are being murdered in their houses and their children starve to death and i can't tell the truth about what i see happening that would be like i couldn't live with myself. I think the two most difficult things for me on a day-to-day basis. And again, this is like nothing in the grand scheme of the world and the struggles of people. I think everybody takes that for granted. But for one thing, my nature is to be very like, you know, the teacher's pet, a student. So the liberal line of like, well, it's complicated and you just understand, just don't understand. That's a hard one for me because I'm like, well, maybe I don't know everything. Maybe I need to read 10 more books. Maybe there's something I'm missing here. Maybe I,

I need to know all the history and I need to know what was said in this year and that year. And so, I mean, I did really make a concerted effort to educate myself as much as possible. But like, you know, I'm never going to be as expert as a Norm Finkelstein or someone who's really just been steeped in this for their whole lives. And, you know, it's made this their academic career. So I had to give my self permission to not know everything and still be able to take a moral stance. So that was that was one piece that was difficult for me. And then, you know, I think just the, that sense of, okay, there are powerful people who don't like what we're doing. I mean, that does, it does weigh on you to a certain extent.

And then just the sense of responsibility to know all the ins and the ounce of the horror every day also just does, I mean, it does take a toll. It's, as you guys, it's a difficult thing. And like, I hate to even say it because, again, it's so trivial in the grand scheme. of things, but it definitely, you know, it was, it was a dark year. It's been a dark, you know, more than two years at this point, and it continues to be incredibly dark. And, you know, in a sense, almost darker now that the world is turning their eyes away. It seems like, you know, I don't know, it seems like the project and the hope that was there at some point of like, we've got this resistance, we've got these protests, maybe something's going to be

different. It's very hard to hold on to that at this point. Yeah. No, I completely feel that, you know, a very deep level. I think for me, the thing that I hold on to is the fact that I am seeing Israel as, or at least, you know, what Israel has been doing, the genocide, they've been perpetrating on the Palestinians now is so prominent in the, you know, public discourse. It's now something that we all know that it's almost people's foray into anti-imperialist thought. And so now, you know, when I see people, you know, taking Venezuela, for example, and making the connection between imperialism, the imperialism of America going out and being like, we own this country and saying that that is connected in the exact same way as Israel. saying, well, we own, you know, the Palestinians and they're, you know, we're going to run it for them. It's the one hope that I have is that, you know, they may have accidentally made Americans by and large more and more anti-imperialists, which I think hopefully in the long term will have some, I don't know, good manifestations.

You know what's interesting, Matt? I woke up this morning at a hotel in Hershey, Pennsylvania, I was on a road trip coming back from, I went to the Appalachians. From the chocolate factory. Yes, exactly. I was driving the Hershey Highway, so to speak. And on the television in the breakfast room, forget I said that. Moving on. Moving on.

In the breakfast room, the television was on, the morning news show. I left at about 645 to get home in time to podcast and rest up a little bit. And there was a news item, the first story, and it was on ABC News. ABC local news, but first thing was about Venezuela with some quotes from Trump. And then a local story filmed in Harrisburg, which I believe is Pennsylvania's capital, of people on the street just protesting and holding signs that say down with U.S. imperialism and very intelligent people being interviewed and connecting the dots

exactly as you're saying about, speaking very intelligently, speaking as if they had taken Noam Chomsky's self-applied course and intellectual self-defense that he always advocated Americans should take. Right. And I couldn't remember a time in the past 20 or 30 years

where there was a spontaneous, immediate, woke in the real sense of the term, woke, as in awake and aware reaction that demands to be covered by the mainstream media. You know, it's like, since the war on terror started, that is either non-existent or just invisibilized. And yet it was there. It was right there on the news in front of me. So it was a kind of uncanny experience of like, oh, are Americans seeing through this? And are they at this point way ahead of their elected leaders, including the most so-called progressive

among them? Yeah. Oh, I absolutely think that that is the case. At least, I mean, you know, with with young people, certainly with the Democratic Party base, absolutely. You know, one thing that was striking to me is we've got some like snap polls now of how people feel about the Venezuela attack and kidnapping of Maduro. And the Washington Post one had it basically split, like 40% yes, 40% no. And the rest like, I'm not sure. And that is actually kind of amazing, given how much Americans usually fall overwhelmingly for the initial pro-war propaganda, how wall-to-wall the, you know, all the cable nets were all in on it. And oh, my God, our glorious military and was this an incredible operation, blah, blah, blah, and aren't they amazing, et cetera. And so to

have that full force propaganda, war propaganda, wall-to-wall, and for people still to be like, I don't think so. Yes. I mean, that's very different. That is completely different from, I think, any time in our lifetimes. Do you think that's because the narco-terrorism thing just doesn't get people as animated as like weapons of mass destruction? They're being like, what are they trying to cut off? They're very lazy with their propaganda now, you know?

They're trying to cut off my cocaine supply? What? Does it like, I like, the machine gun part was the funniest part to me. They're like, any, had machine guns. They're like, wait. He was in violation of a U.S. law where he couldn't have a machine gun. I was like, we have a law for that, first of all. And second of all.

And we enforce it in Venezuela. Like, what? I love that. Goofy dances, too. Yes, that was his real crime. No, we've downgraded from WMD to, I think he had a machine gun. Yeah, yeah. Where we are with the problem.

I mean, yeah, there's the learnings that the American people have taken over the past number of years. And Israel Gaza being a very important part of that, you know, quote unquote, heightening the contradictions, I guess. And really destroying this idea that America is some moral force. know, oh, we're in for democracy, for human rights. Like, who could say that with a straight face at this point? And in fact, Trump doesn't even try to say that. You know, he just comes out, yeah, we're going to take their oil. That's what we're in it for.

Our own self-interest, you know, Paul Singer is going to benefit. So we're going to go in, enjoy dying and waging war on behalf of Paul Singer getting more billions. Did you see the press conference where Rubio and Trump are standing next to each other? And Rubio says, we gave him a chance to negotiate. He would not negotiate. And Trump just leans into the microphone and is like, he wanted to negotiate. He wanted to negotiate. I didn't want to negotiate with him.

Enough. I wanted to kidnap him. Incredible. It's crazy. I mean, it's like you're watching someone who is completely immune to prosecution. You're watching someone who understands that there is no line that a lawyer can give him that he actually needs to say because laws don't mean anything. So, you know, it is, it's almost refreshing. as opposed to seeing the sort of liberal hand-wringing of, like, well, sure, Maduro needed to be taken out.

Of course he did. But in this way, it just feels illegal. And, you know, I'd much rather, you know, deal with a person who is just so immune to prosecution that he's honest, you know, about it. I've thought a lot about that. I actually disagree. I think that's how it lands with the public is like, oh, at least he's just being honest that they just, want the oil. But the hypocrisy creates a political tool. Because then politicians can be shamed. You know, you can, you can demonstrate like, no, actually, this isn't about human rights

and democracy. And it's a useful political constraint. Whereas if you can get away with what they got away with with a complete genocide, ethnic cleansing in Gaza, then they're like, we can do anything. And we don't even have to pretend. So, you know, I agree it's worse. I agree it's worse. I think what I'm coming from is a place. It's less meuling and annoying, yes. Yeah. And a place of covering propagandists, you know, and covering people who carry water, liberals especially for things that they can't justify but are scrambling to justify and watching someone just say what's actually happening. Yeah. Well, he kind of puts a sound of a job, right? It gives me a break at the very least. I would much rather.

the man he's telling you. I would rather watch a monster do monstrous things than watch an android pretend to be human. You know, like someone like Korean Jean-Pierre or Joe Biden or, you know, the the apologetics and the callousness in that. Anyway, whatever. We've had this conversation a million times. One thing I wanted to make a parallel, though, is, you know, I think people now understand, they understand the power of the Israel lobby.

they understand that there are Miriam Adelson's whose number one priority is like whatever Israel wants Israel gets, that they have a lot of sway and influence both because of their proximity to the president and to the Democratic Party as well. Why can't Jews have agency, Crystal? What's wrong with that?

We want things. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I guess you're allowed to. It would be better if we didn't have this particular system. But in any case, there is a parallel structure for these like, you know, South Florida. neocons who are incredibly influential in this administration mean marco rubio has like 10 different titles um you've got susie wales is also a florida person there's a number of this like florida contingent soccer calls it a miami occupied government um which i think is pretty good

and they're yeah and they're big donors i mean i mentioned paul singer like paul singer is this mega donor billionaire who now his one of his companies owns um sitcom which we stole from Venezuela, and he stands to benefit to the tune of, I don't know how much money from us, you know, this attack on Venezuela and kidnapping Maduro. Like he stands to directly benefit. So in any case, you know,

there's a similar array of money and power when it comes to Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, really any left-wing government in Latin America. And so sometimes I think when people look at actions with regard to Israel and feel like, okay, well, this is not rational. it doesn't serve American interest, they go, oh, well, the Israel lobby. And they need to think of this in the same way where you can look at it and actually like, that doesn't even make sense to me. Like,

why are you doing this? The oil thing doesn't even really fully add up because the infrastructure's all screwed up and the price per barrel and whatever. You have to understand that they're incredibly powerful and deeply ideological interests that are constantly pushing in this direction, which is also why you have some level of like bipartisan complicity, I mean a large level, bipartisan complicity in this direction. Yeah. Yeah. It's like cronyism writ as large as you can writ.

Yeah. And it's almost like this is more digestible. So the hope is that people can make this analysis on their own just by looking at it. As opposed to, you know, when it comes to Israel and the Israel lobby, it can be a little bit less digestible to people because they have to, you know, the why of it might be confused. Whereas the why of like, why would United Fruit Company want to oust the elected Democratic leader of Guatemala? That is very simple to people. So the hope is that this will also be as simple and that understanding it.

I mean, beyond the freaking, I think the drug trafficking thing, one of the reasons that's not sticking, why, you know, we're fighting narco-terrorism is because Americans, by and large, blame addicts for their own death. And so I think that they are, you know, looking at this, you know, a lot of them have enough analysis to blame the Sacklers and pharma companies for their role in the opioid crisis. But in general, I think most Americans are not kind when it comes to addiction. So this is one of those rare cases where that might end up having at least one good effect, which is they don't buy the bullshit about. narco terrorism. That's an interesting point. And I have noted that the like the Trump regime analysis in this is almost has like a leftist flavor to it of like, you know, completely absolving, you know, treating addiction as to see like, oh, they had nothing to do with it. It's all these

drug dealers who are pushing. But, you know, obviously it falls short when it comes to the Sacklers who are, you know, basically got to slap on the wrist. I don't know if you guys saw. Go ahead. Oh, in Honduras, there was the narco, I believe it was the leader. of Honduras who was recently pardoned by Trump. Yes. Yes, Juan Orlando Hernandez, who was actually a narco terror. Well, I mean, the term narco terror, we got to not use this term because this is just a made-up, invented bullshit thing. Like, Kyle was like, what, they're going to do terrorism on behalf of cocaine?

What are we talking about here? Like, this is not a thing. Well, but the word terrorism itself was bullshit from the start. 100%. And never more clear than us, you know, cozying up to the former terrorist who's now the head of Syria and like, hey, sure, he's good to go. I had a tough pass, but he's good to go now. I'm going to fly a needle directly into the World Trade Center and get it hot. Right.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But anyway, that's what you're talking about. I missed the vein. Missed the vein. But you're talking about he legitimately was and convicted a drug trafficker. Yeah. And, you know, he, though, allowed this weird Peter Thiel aligned prospera,

crypto libertarian, like feudal, to be built in Honduras. And when a new, you know, more left-wing government came and they're like, we don't want to just cede our sovereign territory to these tech oligarchs freaks and weirdos. And so that's, you know, so they're stand to lose money. And also this is part of an ideological project for them. So I think that's part of why he's ultimately pardon. I mean, the other thing I think that people just feel like with this, oh, we're going to bomb boats

and we're going to we're going to take out Maduro or whatever is, does anyone really think that bombing anywhere? is going to actually stop the flow of drugs. Like, I just don't think people are naive enough to believe at this point. We've been fighting the war on drugs for how many decades. Has the drug flow ever slowed down?

Not to mention, you could talk to Seth Harp who wrote the great book about the Fort Bragg cartel. Yes. How literally the special forces that are involved in taking out Maduro or some of the same guys who were, like, deeply implicated in some of the drug trafficking into this country.

So in any case, I just don't think that people believe, that this is actually going to change anything in terms of an addiction crisis. They don't buy it. And I mean, it's not like this administration has a lot of credibility

with most of the American public outside of their own base at this point. Right. I don't know. You guys are both making some decent points, but I'm not finding it as persuasive as the clip of John Krasinski, you know, lecturing,

doing his version of the newsroom, lecturing a bunch of idiots, college students about why Venezuela is the number one threat is lokey the most underrated threat to the free world and why we need to go shout out to John Krasinski playing Jack Ryan we all love us some CIA written television is there any other kind is there any other kind I only watch CIA productions they are approved productions yes exactly But moving on, we do need to take a quick commercial break, but when we come back, we will be talking about Zoran, Mamdani. He is mayor now, and we need to talk about how that is problematic.

But first, some ads. Everybody listen to them. If they're for ICE, again, don't join, and you can skip. You're allowed. We'll be right back. And we're back, this badass bar, the world's most moral podcast here. Once again, with Crystal Ball. How are you doing, Crystal?

Doing well. Hell yeah. How are you feeling about the upcoming or now current Mamdanian Caliphate happening in New York? Now, you're not in New York. The Sharia law. That's right. She's in D.C. She wants to see us fall apart up here in New York.

That's right. No, I'm a former New Yorker, though. And it's honestly, to be honest, it's making me very nostalgic for New York. I have a lot of New York envy right now. Yeah, same, same. I live in L.A. Everything sucks here. And it's nice that New York is, you know, having a moment.

And people are freaking out about it. So today we're going to be talking about how Zoron, the now mayor of New York City, he is already reportedly implementing his pogroms against former Mayor Adams' legacy he's cancelled all of his executive orders after the date in which he was federally indicted and of those executive orders

three are specifically coming under attack by the institutional Jewish community of New York for signs of anti-Semitism So the three that they are mad about are, one is the adoption of the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism, that was revoked, the ban on Israel boycott slash divestment, that was revoked, and also the ban on protests happening near places of worship. that was revoked. He also, by the way, revoked an executive order banning horse-drawn carriages

from the city. So I guess, so those are back. And he also revoked the executive order. That's going to make some people mad. A lot of people are very passionate about getting rid of those. As someone who's not a New Yorker, I'm kind of like based when it comes to him unrevoked, like un-banning that.

Like, don't you want more horses? I want more horses. apparently I actually when I lived in New York I covered this issue there's it's that the animals are it's bad for them basically it's bad for the horses so that's why there's always a yeah the horses Adams right the horses are very badly abused as part of it so that's been a push I can see him putting that one back I don't know I like to believe that they like it um what horse doesn't go with that sure yeah horses like it um again all nine of these orders that were revoked, were all revoked specifically for happening after the date in which Adams was federally indicted. So this was just a sweeping revocation of these executive orders after that date. Because he also revoked the executive order that created the Office of Rodent mitigation to fix the New York's rat problem, which was an initiative backed by the Genovese, Gambino, Lucchese, Colombo, and Bonano families, I assume.

We don't like rats, and we just get stitches. But the headlines have mainly been about Mondani's revocation of the IHRA adoption and the anti-BDS orders. And here is a little bit of local news explaining this. Once again, seeing local news that doesn't make me sad. I'll all play the clip. This is just an honest telling of news. Here we go. Pro-Israel groups are slamming Mayor Magdani for revoking two executive orders by former Mayor Adams meant to support Israel.

One of them barred city agencies from boycotting or divesting from Israel. The other adopted the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti-Semitism. It equates some forms of anti-Israel criticism with anti-Semitism. Now, these executives' orders are two of nine that Mamdani revote because they, came after Adams was indicted on federal corruption charges. So, I mean, first of all, I love that that news item started with pro-Israel groups are slamming. Usually you don't see that kind of distinction.

It's saying Jewish groups. They would say Jewish groups, Jewish institutions, you know, like or groups that are dedicated to fighting anti-Semitism are slamming, you know. But instead, pro-Israel, which is very important. as a distinction. And I also appreciated that report because it clarified for me that IHRA stands for International Holocaust Remembrance

Alliance. I thought it had something to do with either human rights or human resources. Yeah. International human resources Association. Yeah, because it is an HR thing. That's true. I mean, it does make some sense. So I see how you got there.

Yeah. And it's interesting. Mamdani, the wrath that he's been facing is, of course, being overblown. It is being framed by, you know, Twitter and anyone on social media, all of the usual suspects that we cover on the show that has bars who are all saying, wow, you've pissed off every single Jew in New York with this. He has been, you know, facing the wrath of a bunch of the Jewish institutional community who, at this point, we've covered on this show extensively are have pivoted to just pro

Israel advocacy. That is what they do. I'm sorry, I can't let you get away with that. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Saying the phrase Jewish institutions or Jewish institutional community is a blood level. That's right. I'm sorry. I'll go back to the Zionist organized government institutions

that we cover regularly on the story. That we live under happily. The puppet masters. The puppet masters, yes. The octopus holding globe type thing that, you know, I forget. Well, I'll have to ask the international human rights associate. Metallica's master of puppets actually was about the ADL.

Oh, didn't know that. Yeah. But yeah, Zorn also deleted some tweets, and a lot of these institutions were slamming him for that. So he was deleting New York City mayor account tweets. That's right. Which is good because otherwise it's very confusing. you you look at because now his his handle or his his name his username is now at the top of that same account

and when you am I correct that when you go back and look at yes it would say things like hi I sure love Israel the most and people were like damn gotcha gotcha dude now I got receipts so I mean I don't believe he was deleting it for reasons of people making bad faith receipts but I like to believe that. It's like inverse dead naming. Yes. People were saying that what he was doing was against the law

because you're legally not allowed to do that, which is untrue if these are archived. Now, of course, all of these tweets had been archived, and he, in wanting to continue this trend of revoking the executive orders,

also wanted to revoke the tweets of a guy who was indicted. Yeah, they'll lobby displayed in the Eric Adams Memorial wouldn't be a library. What would it be? A booth at a VIP booth at a club, the Memorial VIP booth. Which country was it Turkey that he took a bunch of money from?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's the, I love that, the Eric Adams Memorial Istanbul Terminal. So he, in response to, you know, the deleted tweets and all of the executive order, revocations, a joint statement was released by the AJC, the Jewish Community Relations Council, the ADL, the UJA, LMU, U.S.C, MGMT, PPO, MZOG, the good one, not the bad one. They all... So basically the Gambino family, the Bananos, the Lucases, yes. They all released a joint statement, which I'll read for you guys right now, at least I'll read

some of it. Mayor Mamdani pledged to build an inclusive New York and combat all forms of hate, including anti-Semitism. But when the new administration hit reset on many of Mayor Adams' executive orders, it reversed two significant protections against anti-Semitism, the city's adoption of the IHRA and critical protections against the BDS movement against Israel. to which someone quote tweeted this by saying do you have any idea how bad your policy has to be to make all these Jewish organizations agree on a statement come on at this point

what all yeah it's very difficult you can get them to all agree that Palestinians are not human I think you can get them to agree on a statement you know what I mean? Jews are so bad at rhythm do you know how offensive your your statement has to be to make them march in lockstep yeah you know what they say two jews three opinions unless the question is israel in which case they all agree to at the same time in case it's no opinion in that case is no opinions no jews and a whole bunch of facts

that's right and facts on my side but yeah no i mean at least the jews that you know really count as jews guys like you and not that doesn't that doesn't matter of course well the jews that Disagree are not really Jews. Everyone knows that. Obvious. Yeah, I saw, this is a side note, but I saw a video of a, what is that, Nutra Carta, the Natura Carta. Nutriacarta.

There's a video of one of the... Nutra Carta is their little blender for smoothies. Right. Okay. All right. I saw one of them, there was a video online where they were talking about anti-Zionism. talking about not adopting the IHRA definition because it's bad for everyone and it's bad for Jews of conscience and whatnot.

There was a bunch of Zionists in the comments who were going, you are not Jewish. You do not become Jewish just because you wear a hat. That hat is fake. And because this guy's Hasidic. And I was just like, what are we doing now? We're looking at a Hasidic Jews got a literal Yiddish accent and going, you are not real Jew. Not Jewish enough. Yes.

Zionists are out there trying to rip off the beards. Right. of Brooklyn rabbis trying to prove that they're fake. Yes, exactly. So, you know, this is, of course, you know, focused on these two very particular revocations. And we, I realize we hadn't talked much about the IHRA working definition of anti-Semitism. And we need to correct that because people need to know why this is bad. It's called a working definite, working on what?

just working on it dude like a working definition is like until we come up with a better one I mean it's like Missy Elliott said

is it worth it let me work it I think that I saw that someone who was involved in the like creation of this definition

of anti-Semitism has come out and said like I didn't we didn't really mean for it to be applied in this way but you know

I mean the the whole idea of course is that you create this incredibly broad definition that sweeps in

any sort of Israel criticism. And then you get to say officially, now you have this official backing that anti-Israel criticism is anti-Semitism. And so, I mean, the incredible thing, like, Zoran winning in New York City is just, you cannot possibly wrap your head around what a big deal it is. Because it's the one play that people would have said, absolutely not someone who's like a vowed anti-Zionist who's, you know, down with the BDS movement, all these things. there is no way

maybe somewhere else in America but not in New York City and so he's just opened up this incredible realm of possibilities now you've got Cameron Caskey who's running in a district that's like the upper west side and the upper east side oh no but the Zionists owned him Crystal

they owned him because he was filmed at Tel Aviv airport he talks all this shit about Israel and then he goes there presumably hanging out in nightclubs and enjoying the oops he went to the West Bank directly and was meeting with Palestinians. And then someone, I think Blake

Flayton, or one of these fuckers, was like oh yeah, you go to the West Bank and you tour and you look at the Palestinians as if there's zoo animals and you uncritically adopt their narrative. And I'm thinking like, yeah, that's my favorite thing to do at the zoo is just uncritically adopt the animal's narrative.

Like so, in one hand, calling Palestinians animals and trying to position yourself as some kind of like PETA activist be like, you leave those Palestinians They just freaked out. They couldn't deal with Caskey there. It's also, there's something about, like, you know that the image of your country is so bad that it's like an own that someone's going to be wrecked if they get caught visiting

there. Yeah, yeah. That was just starting there, even before, you know, we learned, which, no surprise, Jasper Nathaniel helped him organize this to go and actually see for himself. Because Cam has been, I mean, Cam has been an incredibly courageous voice and has really been trying to um go as deep as he possibly can so um yeah but you know to have him running in that district and have a shot at it i just it has become remind me where he's running um he's running in the district that jerry nadler is retiring from so i believe it's um upper west side upper east

and then some of like you know below central park there and um you know it's it's a district i think i think quomo won it i'm not 100% sure i think it was pretty close between quomo and and Zoran there, but, you know, right now in the polls, he's got a shot at this thing. And, you know, the point is that in these Democratic primaries, this has become such an important litmus test issue because it just stands in for like, do you have a soul? Are you willing to stand on principle on anything? And it's crazy to me how many people just fail that in basic human test. The easiest test in the world, a test that you would only fail if you would are somehow compromised in your own morality and in your careerism, you know, like you're just,

yeah, that's right. It's, it, it says one thing. It says that you value your career over human life. And people don't, I don't think people like that. And I, at least I, I hope they don't. That's been my impression. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, this, uh, I-H-R-A definition is, is interesting because it's kind of one of the things his bars try to do is try to retcon uh jewish history and the history of anti-semitism so when this definition you know is being lauded as like the only definition people try to pretend as if it's like always been around it's been around forever how dare you them three thousand years ago right exactly this this definition has been promised three thousand years ago. And of course, this is not the case. One of the many reasons why this is bad is

because the working definition of anti-Semitism that it created is essentially merely a framework that was used in order to define anti-Semitism for the sake of statistics and data collection, specifically trying to say like well there are instances this was made in the early 2000s and it was saying well there are instances of anti-Semitism in which the reason for it was um uh Israel based like you you can't just say well if someone says oh I did this because of Israel I did this crime because of Israel that it is necessarily not anti-Semitism so you can't rule it out so this is one place where you might want to look and investigate not ipso facto equation this equals that right but very specifically about data

collection not about legislation not about being adopted by governments and legal bodies so that is that is the issue with it so just one of the many points that it makes regarding this definition And one that I think a lot of us take issue with. Like for the first few points of what is anti-Semitism is things that are kind of the classic anti-Semitism of conspiracy theories, stereotypes, you know, accusing Jews as people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoings committed by a single Jewish person. Basically, the same definition as racism or bigotry for any ethnic group. what ends up happening is after a few of these

you know saying this is for the old timers the old heads remember these guys then the rest of the definition has to do with Israel and it conflates anti-Israel sentiment with anti-Semitism. Can you go back to the first slide just for a second? Yeah sure. The last one there accusing the Jews as a people or Israel as a state of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust

inventing, exaggerating. Okay, good. I don't see exploiting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't see exploiting. Yes. I don't see bastardizing. I don't see.

Cheapening. Cheapening. Yes. Good, great. Rome solid ground. But then, you know, we start getting into things like denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor. Hold on a fucking second.

That E.G. is doing a lot of heavy. lifting because nowhere in claiming or I would say pointing out or making the strong case that the existence of existence of oh a state of Israel I didn't see that yeah yeah yeah by claiming that it's an indefinite article it's not the existence of the state of Israel oh just a no we're talking about the state of Israel fuckers right there is no a state of Israel there's no theoretical state of Israel there's the one that exists the one whose existence right predicated on a racist cleansing of land of certain ethnicities and groups, but then to equate the existence of A or the state of Israel is a racist endeavor with denying the Jewish people their right to

self-determination? Hell no. There were a lot of so-called cultural Zionists before the state of Israel who were like, yeah, right to self-determination. Absolutely. And our right to self-determination ends where other people's existence on this land and humanity begins. So we're going to have to find something other than a racist, ethno-tribalist, nationalist, militarized state. Right. I mean, what's crazy about this to me also, this

example is specifically like, it is actually illegal for you to call me racist. Like, the fact that racist, being called racist is the example that they use in a definition

that they're trying to define of racism. They're trying to say, This is, so essentially they have a, I am rubber, you are glue claws in their definition of anti-Semitism. I mean, it's kind of perfect, though, especially for the right-wingers that embrace this view, who five seconds ago were like, you know, that you can't call us racist and you guys with your wokeness and your safe spaces or whatever. And then the second it comes to Israel when it comes to, you know, quote-unquote anti-Semitism, then they need the safe spaces. They need the affirmative action. Everyone's woke. Yes.

Everyone becomes woke. There was some Zionist, like, I think billionaire, went on CNBC and was just like, you know, this whole First Amendment thing. I'm sorry, guys. Yes. We got to deal with this. This is not going to work out. I mean, listen, I know we were going to maybe save this, but we got to watch it.

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the fabric of society and politics and undermining it, giving unfair advantage to authoritarian governments against democratic countries, First Amendment type of... That's already happening. That's already happening. Hold on.

This guy's name is Shlomo Kramer. Yeah. I didn't know that Cosmo had an Israeli cousin. Very good. And number two, there's something about this, this level of thick Zionist Israeli accent where when you hear the word democratic, it just sounds like a joke.

Like it sounds like it's in air quotes. Like I just can't, it doesn't sound like it refers to anything real. It's a weirdly hard K in the middle of there. Yeah, democratic. Yeah. Polarization in countries that allow for the first amended and protected,

which is great. And I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the first amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late. What do you mean? I mean that we need to control the platforms, all the social platforms. We need to stack rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves. I'm sorry. It's so much worse than I remembered. For its own good, Adamson, with the torture.

We need to control the platforms, he said. And I can't understand why anti-Semitism is spiking worldwide. I can't put my favorite on it. I can't understand why Nick Fuentes is now a freaking millionaire who gets to put his views on every major platform. Like, we got, I just, it just pisses me off so much. This is not to mention actually saying out loud the phrase, we have to limit the, first amendment in order to protect it is just the first amendment's mom and dad sit it down on it's honey honey sit down sit down sweetie well you're you're getting you're getting to be a big girl now

and and your body's changing and it's rounding out and god and some people are going to some people are are are going to look at it and what do we do we need so your curfew now is 3 p.m. I was like, just putting himself as the arbiter of what limits need to happen on the First Amendment. And starting with, I know it's hard to hear. I know it's hard to hear. Your baby ears can't take it. But you have to understand, you're not allowed to talk like this. Also, we need to limit it in order to protect it.

It's just very much Seinfeld. Incredible. Incredible. I like how even the CNBC lady is like, Wait, what do you mean by that? You know, we need to control all the platforms. That's all. I mean, that's again, like, you're taking our jobs away from us.

We don't have to explain or analyze anything. It's just, wait, just listen to what he says. We in Israel have been, our innovators in nanotechnology. We can shrink things. We can make, you know the tomato, yes? We can make a cherry First Amendment. A miniature. version bite size not too much free speech not no juices all over your chin yes just pop it in your

mouth and it's gone oh my god a cherry first amendment and do we know is this this guy israeli israeli i don't know um i i it's so wild to me to imagine like going on in another country and be like let me tell you about your constitution like these rights you've got you know this is really not working out for me personally so yeah He's thinking as a billionaire from a country that does not have a constitution. Here's what's wrong with yours. Yours is a little unrestricted.

Maybe you guys, have you thought about not having one? We do that. Coming from the only democracy in the Middle East, right? He's got the position to tell us about this. I understand you have your founding and how you say fathers. My founding fathers are Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, you know, the real orgies. Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, just circling back to the IHRA definition, I mean, this is a definition that in and of itself is when adopted by governments and localities and municipalities, ends up criminalizing speech to an absurd degree. It is not a definition that should be taken as like, oh, that's the way it's always been perceived. It is not always been. This is a not meant to be legislated upon. And I know this because, as you said, Crystal, the loudest voice opposing the adoption of the IHRA into law is the guy who wrote the damn framework, Kenneth Stern. He was the lead drafter of it. And he explains why in this clip that I got, this is from the Christian Amempur show. A case that's really instructive

is what happened in Germany when the IRA definition was used to basically classify... They call it the IRA definition? Yeah, as if it needed to sound more Jewish boom. Yeah, right, yeah. Well, George's definition is different than Iris. Ira, come here, your definitions on the news.

We have both definitions named by different Gershwin brothers. All right. Here we go. Opposing the war in Gaza, calling them anti-Semitic. And one of the things that a person commenting on it said is, isn't it ironic that Germany has again decided what it means to be Jewish, what it means to have a Jewish position? And I don't want Congress deciding that here either, and I don't want an administration's deciding. So, I mean, this is someone who goes on the show and he's been on a couple times. He is a self-proclaimed, you know, two-state solutionist, Zionist and whatnot, and was the lead drafter of this working definition and is saying, no, no, this is not meant to be used by states. This is not meant to be used by people in government.

And he understands what I think the Shlomo, which is that his name, the guy that we played the clip of, Shlomo doesn't understand, which is that free speech. does matter to people in the United States. The ability... It's a rather important part of American's self-concept. Right. It's a pretty sturdy plank of the American identity. Might be the only one that I would say most people agree with, at least on some level. And so it's the idea of using the law in order to criminalize the speech of the mayor who just got elected, I think is ridiculous to most people.

I mean, it just feels very desperate. this point as well. Like, they can see. I mean, the Democratic Party put the elected officials aside, but the base of the Democratic Party is gone. I mean, they'll never look at Israel the same way. They will never be behind shipping weapons to Israel. Like, they're done. Right. And I think it will be a very important issue in 2028. Independence, largely the same thing. And younger Republicans, too. So because of that sense of like, oh, we're really, you know, the Hussbar is really not working for us anymore. It's like, okay, well, what do we have to do? We have to crack down more. We have to, like, put TikTok in the hands of an aligned billionaire. We got to, we better get

that same family to get CBS. And, you know, we've got to make this whole thing and install Barry Weiss. And we really have to lock this down because this isn't going well. But, you know, I think it's, it's far too late at this point. Yeah. Yeah, completely. It is, you know, shocking to see, you know, a Muslim mayor of New York be so openly anti-Semitic. But I think that we can, you know, we can hope that the Jewish institutional community can band together and make sure that he re-adopts that definition so that they can then prosecute him. The puppet masters have to get to work, I guess. That's right.

They're slacking. Hey, and someone's got to pick up the slack on those strings. And when they arrest him, when they arrest him, he and Maduro can do cute dances together. Think about what they've done. Before we end the podcast, there's one more thing we need to talk about. Crystal, can you stick around for just a little bit longer? Sure, no problem. So we have a segment that we like to do here about AI.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's 2026, and here is our first segment. of the year of, I'm Israel, AI. Picture of a lion with an Israeli flag. And a picture of Hamas as an octopus or a bug. I am Israel, aye. I'm Israel, aye. I'm Israel. A.I.

Israel. A. Love it. Love it. We're back, baby. We're back. Daniel, you had something that... Yeah, I came upon something.

And have you managed to not watch it? I have not watched it at all. Good boy chick. I'm glad. Thank you. It's worth it. So, Crystal, are you much of a reader? Do you like books?

I do. Okay, great. You ever heard of a little book called The Bible? I'm vaguely familiar with it. Great. Great. Well, it's very old. And it's got a lot of great characters in it.

And I didn't know this. But all of them are 21st century Zionists who can really talk their shit. What about that? Came across this video featuring a number of them being interviewed about their views. Maybe we can just take a look at it. Let's do it. And see what they have to say. Boycott Israel?

I literally started this family. This is Abraham. We're late by 4,000 years. Boycott Israel Great heart I birth tribes You birth conspiracy posts Boycott Israel

I was almost sacrificed I was hoping it would be like My dad almost stabbed me I had better odds than your argument Boycott Israel Jonah I survived a fish It's not a fish

A whale is not a fish. I'm sorry. Maybe we're being pedantic, but come on. You won't survive basic history. You have to survive basic biology. You want to boycott Israel? Joseph. I checked your future.

The dream says, stop talking. Learn history. Boycott Israel? Honey, I have stopped genocides. Okay, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Time out, time out, time out. That's Queen Esther, folks, of the Purim story.

The Purim story, which concludes, with the following verses. And yay, on Thursday, the Hebrews did slay, rape, behead, and skull fuck the people of, blah, blah, blah. 20,000 of them perished that day. And then the Hebrews feasted and banqueted. And yay, on Friday, they did the same thing

to 27,000. I love saying, like, I've ended genocides. It's like, if you do a genocide, you don't get the credit for stopping. That's the idea. That's like the idea. like, savings makes you money. Like if you go shopping, you know?

It's like, oh, but I saved 5%. That's right. Yes, yes. Scare me. You say boycott Israel? Jacob. I wrestled angels. Your boycott has zero grip.

Boycotting Israel? King Solomon. Ah, yes. The wisdom of fools never ceases. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Wow. Oh, man. Who is this?

I don't. Like, who is this for? Well, I was thinking, I was thinking about that. This is internal, Hasbara. This is morale. This is a pep rally. Yes. This is just for Jews to feel like, yeah.

Yeah. And very, very corny. Christian Zionists too. Yeah, that's, yeah, good point. Yeah. They care more, I think, about, like, liturgy than Zion. There's a lot of, like, Jewish Zionists who pretends that they give a shit, but they, not as much as the Christians love that shit.

Everything's fan fiction to them. You're so right. You're so right. That's exactly who is targeted with this, isn't it? And Adam says Facebook boomer moms too, which... Yes. Which there's a heavy overlap between those demographics. People who like...

People who like that video and people who like when Jesus was made out of shrimp or whatever. They love the AI. Now, I do have a boomer mom who's on Facebook a lot, but we're not talking about you, Mom. She's cool. She's cool. She was at the Badhusboro Live. show in New York, she's cool with us. Now, I feel like this video, frankly, could have gone deeper. There's a lot more characters who would have a lot to say. And I found some passages

in the Hebrew Bible that suggests to me what other characters might think. I just want to read some of them. Starting with the very first human character in the Bible, he would say, I'm Adam. I've been around since the very first book of the Bible. You tell me you're against genocide? Good for you. Me, I'm on genesis's side. I see what you in there. I like that.

All right. Here's a no one. I'm Kane. I slew my brother, Abel, in a jealous rage. Imagine what I would have done to that fucker if he tried to boycott Israel. This is optional. I would have gone all Old Testament on his ass. Get it, Old Testament.

Very good, Daniel. Yeah, thank you. Crystal, you do Noah. Crystal, you want to give us Noah? Here we go. Yeah, I got you. I'm Noah. I was shamed by my son Ham for exposing myself while drunk,

and you want me to be upset about some soldiers posing in their victims' lingerie. Grow up. You know, I got to be honest with you, I don't think I know that much lore about Noah. That's a new one. I didn't know. I wasn't aware of that either. He cursed his son Ham's lineage for, for, yeah, he was, for shaming him while, because he was, wait, drunk in his tent, yeah.

Noah was drunk or Ham was drunk? Noah was drunk and Ham came upon him. I think he was exposing himself to his own daughters, if I remember correct. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah, he was, you look, he'd had a hard day, right? With all that hickory bark. Yeah.

Building that fucking thing. This is pre-arch, Noah, right? I think it's pre-arch or it's, it's in the midst of the making it. I'm not sure. There's a Canadian novel called Not Wanted on the Voyage by Timothy Finley, which fictionalizes it and tells the story of this dysfunctional family. It's a very great book. Anyway, we have some more here. I will read this one.

And then Matt, you can do the one after. Sure. Sorry for all the delays. I'm Job. I was a good and pious man whom God made suffer bitterly just to prove a point. But then I was rewarded with riches because I never once cursed the name of the powerful force inflicting all this on this. Gazzins, take note. Silence is golden.

See, this is why you don't need AI. All you need is a sick fuck like Daniel Monta. A little bit of human ingenuity and psychopathy. That's right. Just mix them all together and... And you have to have a certain working knowledge of the Israeli mentality. That's right. Matt, this one's just for you.

All right. I'm non. Come on, bro. He did. I sexually associate. in my half-sister tomorrow and you want me to talk about stai-te-man yiddell please whewf boy oh boy let's get one more in oh i've got so many more oh my god crystal go okay um i'm sarah you heard that i made my husband cast his second wife hagar and son ishmael into exile because i was envious of her fertility

whatever bitch it worked out God made my desert bloom yeah oh man can I read one more just please all right let me pick my favorite it's your podcast

I'm Samson my lover Delilah snitched on me and cut off my hair so my Philistinian enemies could imprison and torture me so yeah I kind of know what it's like dealing with you as a Jews

like so yeah and then finally we're the Israelites. We danced around the golden calf in a fit of wild idolatry breaking God's most fundamental commandments and you know what? We will dance again.

Oh no. Wow! What a... You stuck the shit out of that layering. That was the right one to end on. Oh my God, that was good. You know, I love that. I love to contrast

just the sloppiest AI slop ever with someone who actually writes words with their brain. Oh, thanks. Maybe it's something we could all learn. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is our podcast. First one for 2026. Crystal Ball, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. Thank you for having me, guys.

I enjoyed it. Oh, I had a great time. And where can people find you, find your work, subscribe to your show? Breaking Points.com and on substack for Crystal Kyle and Friends. and then I'm usually, you know, rotting my brain over on Twitter at Crystal Ball, so feel free to join me there. That's where I live to. It's hell.

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