Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 172: Unglazed, with Jeremy Kaplowitz

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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so please do that now and we thank you in advance. Daniel, it's time. What is the spin? Well, Adam already mentioned Bob Weir's death in his little lower thirds, but I have nothing to say about Bob Weir. I've already featured a Grapeville Dead album on The Spin before, and that's all I got, and I got nothing else to say about him. So I was thinking, well, what am I going to talk about?

What's my theme? Well, there's another musician death just today. the original guitar player, Matt something or other, sorry I don't know his name, of a group called Black Middy, a UK sort of advanced kind of math prog, modern Math Prague rock. I don't know how to classify them. Black Middy, very, very cool. Black Middy is a cool-ass name.

Very cool name. And they have cool albums, including this one, Schlagenheim, their debut album. Hell, yeah. And, yeah, their 26-year-old former guitar player. died after mental health struggles. So you know what that means. And a lot of this is happening right now.

Young people losing their mental health struggles. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's really sad to see. So anyway, that's their debut album. Rest in peace to him. And then since it's Black MIDI, I chose other bands and album names with Black in the title.

Hell yeah. Starting. We've already got that one on the playlist, so not that one. And also, it's not really called the Black. I know. It's not called the Black. Island is the black album. But this album is called

Black Star by David Bowie, the one that came out right as he died. Beautiful album, actually. Such a good album. It is incredible. And that looks like a sort of a still from the Lazarus music video as well. That's exactly right.

This album is called the Black Album. Oh, yeah, Jay-Z. That's right. Yeah, the one he was supposed to retire on. And of course, he came back two years later. Nope, he never stopped. Did he? He never stopped.

Is he on the Epstein list? I feel like I know he's not, but for some reason he seems to be as toxic as Epstein list. I think he's on the Kushner list, which is... Oh, is that what's going on? Yeah. Okay.

Him and, well, him and Beyonce sat at the same table as Kushner. That's some kind of something or other. Black Sabbath, of course, volume four. Okay. Black Thought from the Roots has an album with the instrumental group El Michaels Affair called Glorious Game. Mm.

Black Star, Most Def and Tilleb Kuali. That's right. Of course. The group Black Moon from Brownsville, Brooklyn here, enter the stage,

their debut album. Blackalicious from Oakland, the Bay Area, Blazing Arrow, great album. And finally, you don't have enough room. Somehow I have,

somehow, Matt, I find room. How do you? I find Rome. There's room. I have a room with a view. All right. What are we doing?

I'm making fun on my... Making fun of how you say rum. That's how it's pronounced. Everyone knows I speak normal. Finally, we have Black Man. Don Blackman, to be specific. Funk's Soul Classic. It's great.

The album's called Black Man. I love that. And here's Black Man with two of Black Man's friends. I mean, I shouldn't laugh. That is his last name. It's funny. to me. I don't know why. You think the black man

is something to laugh at? No, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. It's just you know. Laughing at him again. I don't want to laugh. Well, anyways, that is what's spinning. That is just

a fraction of the albums that are in his room. And now, we need to move on to talk to our guest are wonderful returning guests so excited to have him back on the podcast you know him he's the comedian he's the host of the quarreters podcast uh which is a show in which they go through quora it's super funny you know him you love him ladies and gentlemen everyone else welcome

back jeremy caploid whata how you doing docovic welcome back he is i had a teacher as a kid who would call me Kaplovits or Capovic or something. Who cares? Who cares? I always say like people, you know, are so upset when people say their name wrong and it's like it all goes to me anyway, right? Like there's no other there's no Caplovic or vits or whatever.

It's all auto corrects. Exactly. We know we know roads lead back to Jeremy. That's that's who we know who everyone means when they say your name wrong. They mean Jeremy. This Jeremy. Yeah. So how are you doing? How are things? How's New York? New York's great.

Everybody's really chill. And Zoran won, and we're all Muslim, or I think we have to say Muslim now. Yes, that's right. And it's great. It's all better. It's he fixed everything. That's what I heard. But this is a very special episode of Bad Hasbara in which we finally,

according to maybe one or two people in our Patreon who get mad at us, we're finally doing the anti-glazing episode of the Zoran Mamdani series. Yeah, we need to get right into this because this is what has been talked about. Hey, Zoran, you feel those lips around your member? Today, they're not ours. Miss us and it's just our wet mouth. Say goodbye to these. Yeah, Zoron and a lot of the progressive, I guess, elected community.

of New York has come under fire lately because of a response to a protest that happened in Queens. I don't know how familiar you guys are with this story. So I'm going to let our audience and you guys know. I'm vaguely aware that Queens exists. I'm not sure if it has the right to, but I hear it does exist. Yeah, it does. I may have been, I may have traversed through it on my way somewhere else. Ridgewood is encroaching on Bushwick territory right now.

Oh, shit. Oh, man. As a Bushwick resident or near resident, we claim Ridgewood as ours, and that's it. End the story. This is the complications of borders and war. Actually call it Ridge Dea and Bush Maria. Very good. So for those of you don't know, a protest took place in Queens on January 8th.

That was this past Thursday. and it was outside of a synagogue. Shame. Shame. How can you protest outside a synagogue? Never mind what's going on inside of there. Yes, yes. This is, so we're all yelling shame, shame at each other.

So this was outside of a synagogue that was in Q Gardens, Q Gardens, Q Gardens, which love, this is a heavily Jewish neighborhood. And there's something about K.E. EW. We've said this on the podcast before, but it does seem like they were going to call it Jew Gardens. But it was already taken. And they chickened out. This is everywhere though. I grew in Hewlett and everyone called it Jew lit when I was growing up. And then I knew people from Plainview and everyone called it plain Jew. And it was just every town in Long Island in New York, they find a way to make it Jew. There's a way to call it Jew. Jew, York. I mean, what are we doing

here? What are we doing over here? Everything's Jew. So the synagogue is, uh, Agurath Israel. I'm sure there's a better way to pronounce that. And this protest was organized by a group called the Palestinian Assembly for Liberation, Aouda, or Pal-Aouda. And this is the protest flyer. It says stop the sale of stolen Palestinian land today, Thursday, January 8th, 630. It says where, when, bring flags, kaffirs, and noise makers. So the post on Instagram expanded on what the reason for the protest was. And it said this. After Caput I.L. canceled its December real estate event following protests from our community, Zionist real estate agencies are hosting an illegal event explicitly advertising the establishment of an, quote, Anglo community.

Ma'ale Adumim, a West Bank settlement deemed illegal under international law. We will not be silent in the face of this blatant land theft and dispossession. Some more details on that right here from DropSight. Powell Aouda, New York, New Jersey, and community members rallied in Queens to disrupt a real estate event advertising properties on stolen Palestinian land. The event promoted sales in Malay adumim, an illegal settlement in the occupied West Bank, marketed as a, quote, new and exciting Anglo community. I love indigenous culture.

Me too. Just 15 minutes from Jerusalem. Organizers said the sale reflected. 15 minutes from Jerusalem, if you're Anglo. If you're Palestinian, it's about three and a half hours from Jerusalem, or it's never hours from Jerusalem, because you ain't getting those, you're not going to ever cross those 15 minutes to visit your sick relative or your spouse or whoever who lives on the wrong side of the line. Yes. It is 15. Time is relative. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's 15 minutes away from Jerusalem for us. For anyone who's in this community,

you get a special pass. That is not a joke. You literally get a special license plate that allows you to have access to roads that the Palestinian citizens of the West Bank do not have. Yeah. And so this whole settlement is a really interesting thing because this is not something that we know of, I think offhand in the United States. We don't know the names of settlements. We don't know where these settlements are.

A lot of this is allowed to go on because of people's general ignorance as to what these events are. the fact that they're happening inside of a fucking synagogue is insane when you think about how what they're doing is not religious in nature whatsoever unless you are a cultish Zionist who believes that Zionism is the ultimate form of Judaism. And so just for a little bit of context, the company itself, mortgage Israel. Let me just show you their logo. This is mortgage Israel. Israel's leading mortgage.

company. And if you go on the website, it's all clouds and beautiful buildings where you and all of your Anglo friends can get together and drive on roads that no one else can. And this is from Jewish Link, a website, introducing affordable luxury living in my Alley Adumim. There's all sorts of promotion for this specific settlement and it's very focused on English speaking people who are making Alia to Israel. And Malaya do a meme, if I'm remembering correctly, really, I might be wrong about this, but I remember first hearing about it in like the late 90s. And it was, it's one of these settlements that's been instrumental in expanding.

the definition of what Jerusalem is. Right. Yes. Right. So it's like it's this it's this, it's a Zionist settler mission creep settlement that that keeps pushing the boundaries and blurring the boundaries of

what's East Jerusalem, what's the West Bank, what's Jewish Jerusalem. Yeah. And just for people don't know, on a map, here's where it is. If you see Jerusalem there, and right next to it is Malay adumim That whole enclosed thing in the red dotted lines

That's correct And that is not in Jerusalem Nor is it even in East fucking Jerusalem That is square East Williamsburg now They're calling all of it East Williamsburg It's all of East Williamsburg Yes

So you know this is squarely in the West Bank and squarely a part of the apartheid system that they have there in the West Bank. So that is what is being protested. Of course, that was not the story. The protest has been completely overshadowed by the condemnations of a specific chant. And I'm going to play you that video

and hold on to your butts, fellas, because you may not be able to handle it. All right. All right, so say it loud, say it clear. I got to be honest from that video, it is neither loud nor clear, but I believe they said, we support Hamas here. Yeah. And this. And that one Palestinian girl dressed up as an ultra-Orthodox Jewish boy waving that Palestinian flag.

Yeah. It was super loud with it, you know. Yeah. Diapolical. If you're looking at the video, you are seeing Hasidic Jews in New York. protesting, of course, on the side of the Palestinians, the side of the people who are protesting the land sale. And that is, of course, being cropped out narratively by everyone else. Once again, the entire anti-Zionist Jewish movement part of anti-Zionist movements has been completely erased from the narrative.

It is immediately calls that this was anti-Semitic, that this was anti-Jewish protest. With that group of Orthodox Jews or whatever, I keep seeing people online insist that they're from some like crazy sect of Judaism. Like I saw someone say that, I don't know anything about them, but someone said that they're the Westboro Baptist of Jews, which I love. I don't know much about it, but if the Westboro Baptist started like fighting ice or something, it would make me actually kind of respect that a little bit. Right. I would have some interesting things. I'd be like, okay, well, you know, obviously, take the bad with the good. Yeah, maybe I'll, maybe I'll put off my abortion until tomorrow. Right. They have like a God hates cop sign or something. Like that's the thing. No, the Westboro Baptist Church did say God hates soldiers. And it was one of those things where you had to like delve deeply into them hating soldiers because they believed that America was.

by gayness. So by the transitive property, these were gay soldiers. However you get there, it doesn't matter. That's true. There's all sorts of ways to become radicalized. Listen, your anti-imperialism has to start somewhere and it starts with just deep-seated homophobia. Sometimes you get to deal with it. Yeah, that's an interesting question. Would I march along someone who had a sign like a Westboro kind of sign that said like, I don't know, settlers equals f*** or something like that. that's the thing is I wouldn't necessarily march next to them but I also don't make it my business to necessarily

police everyone like read every sign and make sure that everyone has my exact beliefs now I will say this the you're not the chant inspector I'm not the chant inspector I do not inspect chance but I will say this the amount of people who will say like, oh, you know, these chants are filled with anti, or these protests are filled with anti-Semites who are hurling all sorts of anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic insults and slurs. They keep saying slurs, but I haven't seen the slurs in the video. Right. Not only do I not see the slurs in the video, but I don't see the slurs in real life. I've been to these protests. I've been to these marches. I've participated. I've spoken at these marches. And it is,

this absurd thing where because there are, of course, people who blur the line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism online, there's Nazis who pretend to give a shit about Palestinian life, they just automatically assume that this spills over into these pro-Palestine marches. But by and large, they don't. Like, you don't see the Hitler was right signs the way you see that shit on Twitter. So it is, it's one of those things where I if the Westboro Baptist Church started showing up,

I can guarantee you they would get screamed out by everybody. It's just a thing. You can't stop people from, you know, yelling in real life at someone who's doing some blatantly bigoted shit. So when I see people claiming that these marches are filled with anti-Semites or bigotry or people saying this and that, I know they're lying because the type of people who go to these marches are incredibly sensitive lib types. And I'm not saying that all of them are libs, but what I mean by lib type, not liberals, but I mean people who will not stand for that. In general, their entire political identity, they are mobilized by things like anti-bigotry,

anti-racism. Yeah, and they're very suspicious of people who come out and, and are so on the nose with it, they'll be like, are you a fed? Are you a fed? Are you a fed? Now, but here's the thing. The people who are claiming

that there are anti-Jewish slurs at these rallies are either lying or they're uncritically believing and repeating lies. Yes. Because the lie, the premise is to say, we support Hamas here,

which the chanters did say. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. The presumption, they want you to think, think what you want you, they want you to just equate it without even thinking about it is that's anti-Jewish, that's aggressive, that's hostile, that's designed to make Jews, quad Jews feel unsafe. And we'll see that in these statements of politicians who should know better and

some of whom do know better, which makes it worse. Yes. And that's, that's what pisses me off about this. So here are some of the tweets. Immediately AOC came out with the tweet. Hey, so much, Marching into a production. Can we stop? Please. What is this 2016? Antisemitic to Stan Hamas, y'all. Just starting with this super online. Hey, so stop this shit. What are we doing? I kind of just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Right. Just, oh, it's some fucking Joss Whedon ass posting where it's just, just, it's hack at this point to talk about. It's all credibility that it matters to them, that it's so dangerous. and important if you're just like, um, by the way, it's like, then you don't care. Yeah.

It is just, it's, it's, it's so grating to hear, especially when what follows is going to be some total horseshit. And especially since she cops it, like of all of the tweets we're going to read, like hers is my, is the one that pisses me off the most because it's the most aggressively just disdainful of anyone who disagrees. And her tone is supposed to convey that. It's supposed to be this kind of clapback smackdown, Nancy Pelosi ripping up the paper. Yes.

Epic, you know, Yaz's Queen shit. And the insipidness of what she's saying and the absolute wrongness of what she's saying is just so at odds with the blustering confidence with which she says it. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, this kind of shit gets a lot of praise when she's correct. and rightfully gets a lot of critiques when she's wrong. And in this case, it's wrong and annoying, which are two of the seven deadly sins.

Hey, so actually marching into a predominantly Jewish neighborhood and leading with a chant saying, we support Hamas is a disgusting and anti-Semitic thing to do. Pretty basic. Pretty basic. Well, there is something pretty basic in that tweet. Yes. the person who tweeted it.

That's right. Can we put that back up again? Let's just take that apart word by word. Sure. Haseau. Okay, we've already handled the Heso part. Marching into. No one marched into a predominant.

This is not, she's trying to make it sound like Skokie, Illinois. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's like these, these choices of words are absolutely deliberate. And they're deliberately chosen to show that, yes, I place this in a long lineage of Jewish neighborhoods being set upon. by hateful mobs who are there to show the Jews that you're not safe here. That's the history. It's trying to, yeah.

Now even the Supreme Court, the funny thing about that is the Supreme Court ruled that it was legal for the KKK or the Nazis or whatever to March through Skokie, Illinois. The primarily, you know, the heavily Jewish ACLU at the time was, I think, if we remember more more correctly. supportive of their free speech rights. Yeah, they were. They used to be a civil liberties organization. Right. But she's conjuring that. No one marched into anything and no one is, they showed up there.

She's trying to get into Charlottesville with the language. And then it's shit like that that is just completely ignorant and unacceptable. Okay. So predominantly Jewish neighborhood. Well, why are they in a predominantly Jewish neighborhood? Because that's where the synagogue is, where mortgage Israel decided to sell illegal settlement. land. Yes. They could do it in, you know, what is it? What's that one Heights, Washington? Yeah. Which is the Lin-Manuel Heights? That's, uh, yeah. If they did in Washington Heights,

they'd be there, you know? It just this idea that it's immediately, if they did it in the middle of Staten Island, they'd be there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd be watching into a, marching into a predominantly white neighborhood. Right. It's this, she is helping to create brick by brick this narrative of what happened trying to draw these parallels to Charlottesville to the Nazi march on Skokie and like it is uh yeah it's what she's doing i keep seeing people say that they the synagogue was like a uh they call it a school for jewish children or something yeah yeshiva like yeah sometimes people do have yeshiva at a synagogue it's not a children's school or whatever like right right crazy yeah it's i mean it's using this language all serves a very specific purpose which is to

make it sound like the Nazis went to a Jew school to do anti-Semitism. To attack children. Right. As we learned on our last episode, ice agents have children too. That's right. They're being used as shields, dare I say. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Human shields. So what else does she say? Ju-man shields. In Jewel Gardens. Jewelman. Now I'm thinking of that album, Black Man. and just with me but with cornrows or braids just called Juman.

All right, go ahead. What else do we have? Oh, yeah. And leading with a chant. They didn't lead with it. What does that mean leading with a chant? Yeah. The 22nd clip, the 11 second clip that you got to watch AOC, which is all you know about it,

leads with that chant. Right. Do you think that that was the entire chant? Right. They're objectively not marching in the video. They are standing. standing still. Yes. Standing completely still.

So it's one chant of many. And then saying is disgusting an anti-Semitic thing to do? No, it's not. Yeah. It's not. It's not anti-Semitic to say you support the resistance movement of the occupied people

no matter how many Jews that resistance movement has killed or even promised to kill. And we've been over this a million fucking times that Hamas's stated mission is to overthrow the occupier not to destroy any. anything to do with the Jewish people.

They've done revisions to their charter. They're far less genocidal than the liquid party is, so on and so forth. Right. And this equation of people in a moment where undercover of ceasefire, Palestinians are still being drowned, starved, blown up, incinerated. I mean, you might, you know, and that people protesting an illegal land sale in a place where those illegal land sales cost land sales cost Palestinian lives

and livelihood and nationhood to say we support the resistance movement here loud and clear. It's got nothing to do with Jews whatsoever. Now, will it predictably upset Jews? Yes, it will. But doing things that upset Jews is not the same thing as anti-Semitism. Yeah, yeah. It would be too easy.

It would be way too easy to be anti-Semitic. We're so easily upset. That's right. was the big issue. I mean, I'm upset all the time reading the Patreon comments and say that we're glazing. Dauron. But yeah, we will get into their game of making us reframe this entire narrative to be about whether or not Hamas is anti-Semitic. But first, more tweets.

Next is Brad Lander. Oh, Brad. Now, Brad Lander, as far as I remember, was someone who, who supported Zoron, was also running for mayor, supported Zoran subsequently. And I will say I was marginally impressed with, you know, for the duration of that campaign. Me too.

He was very good at lending, I think, a rational, reasonable voice to counter all of the Hezbar that was coming out against Soron. But of course, he had this to say. Let's be crystal clear. This is vile anti-Semitism. This should not have to be said. You can oppose land sales in the West Bank without supporting terrorism and the mass murder of Jews. And the, you know, at least he mentioned the fucking land sales.

I'll say that at least he mentioned the land sales. Everything else he said, including vile. I think Adam was saying this in the group chat. Yeah, like this. Everything is vile. Yeah, just the pairing of vile and anti-Semitism degrades both. Yeah. At this point, it's always just vile anti-Semitism.

Just we don't, do we need a distinction if something is actually anti-Semitism? Adding vile to it just seems redundant. Even if it was anti-Semitic, like if saying we support, if they were saying like you guys are all kikes or something, it would still be not as bad as the land sales where they're like forcing people from their home. I know. That is exactly. Completely, completely agreed. We are like caving into the idea of the language being the most important thing. And it was prominent during the genocide. It still is prominent during the genocide. Even in the sale of other people's land, even in the upholding of an apartheid system, we're still like trying to parse. what kind of language may or may not be anti-Semitic. It is obscene and fucking stupid. I could be into some vile anti-Semitism if it was Kurt Vile.

Kurt Vile. Yeah, that's my favorite type. So Mayor Mamdani, we come to him. He's not literally. He's coming in you apparently. I don't come to him. Before you get to him, I just want to think about that Bradlander statement again for a second. because there's something about it.

You can oppose legal, you can oppose land sales in the West Bank without, what does he say? He says, without supporting terrorism and the mass murder of Jews. Just a few murder of some Jews.

Okay, well, I could flip that on him. You can be against, I mean, you can decry the killing of innocent civilians and you can you can want to focus on and safeguard Jewish safety without running interference for or downplaying the crime

of selling illegal land on New York City turf and you can stand up for the lives of Jews without throwing Palestinians under the bus. Right. And without equating their resistance movement or one of their resistance factions with a broad,

historically unconnected phenomenon called the hatred of Jews. It's got, you know, this, again, like... And one is more urgent than the other. One is much more urgent. Like, if you're going to play that game, maybe let's rank it by urgency

and see what feels more uncomfortable. You'd figure at this point that way it would feel weirder to continue essentially tacitly supporting it if not the state of Israel doing apartheid but the

the mechanism by which they continue doing so then you know maybe that's on you but Mamdani was asked about it in this real quick clip from he was asked by reporter political reporter

Jason Bferman great name and he asked him this question and this was his answer what do you think of those protesters what do you think of those protesters that said we support Hamas here in Queens I think that that language is wrong I think that language has no place in New York City what would you say for Henry so that was just one quick clip of something that he said and immediately you know my lips are not necessarily off a stick. But I will say watching that, I was a little bit like, they're kind of hanging off. They're like, oh, yeah, they're like, oh. I'm like holding it. I'm

already at the sink. I'm already rinsing out my mouth. I'm already gargling with salt water, because look, I know you're never going to say that about Amisraeli high at the Israel Day parade. Exactly. I doubt you'll attend the Israel Day parade. But I I doubt you're going to take the time to think about the kinds of chance. Right. That are tolerated all the time on New York City streets and that are never identified with bigotry or violence or racism or genocidality, even though arguably they have a much more direct and powerful connection to that. Right. Well, the chance that they were on the other side of the fence in that video, right?

Didn't they say the people at the synagogue were chanting, like, kill all Palestinians and we love ice or whatever? We love ice, yes. They were chanting that. And specifically anti-Zoron things? Yeah. And the most hateful things that were being chanted were inside of the synagogue, which is, I see one million. Can I get one million two, one million three, one million four? They didn't get an old tiny guy for it too.

Sold to the fat man with a long piss. But yeah, I mean, I completely agree. It's this knee jerk and almost, to be honest, like completely useless statement about like, Well, this language has no place in New York City. What is it? Okay, so that means nothing to anybody. That's right.

To the Zionists who are all up on your ass about not condemning enough or blah, blah, blah, they're not going to be, you know, satisfied by that. And then to anti-Zionists, to people, of conscience who have been protesting this genocide from the beginning I had no idea what you're talking about. This language has no place. It's very school counselor. It's very Mr. Maggie.

Supporting Hamas is bad. You shouldn't support Hamas. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And like New York is a place where all language has fucking, I'm sorry, if one place on earth exists where all language belongs,

I think it's New York. I don't think you should outlaw any kind of language from this city. Right. And it's like he's not calling to outlaw it, right? Like I know this and I understand this. What he's doing is making a quote that's

for the news guy. So he could be like, this is what I have to say about it. Yeah. And it just comes off. You can hear the font. You can hear the font in his words. And that's the thing. He's a font of, he's a font of charm and good wisdom. Yeah. Sometimes in good politics. But I, too,

Too often I worry, and this is one of his superpowers that is also in Kelly Seal, I think, just this talking in pretty language that is that Obama-ified way of talking. Exactly. That always, always biases towards the established power structure. Yeah. And speaking in font, this is exactly what happened. And he quote tweets a screenshot of a New York Times article. The article says,

Mamdani condemns slurs and pro-Hamas chant at heated Queens protest. Pro-Palestine and pro-Israel demonstrators hurled threats at each other outside an event promoting real estate sales in Jerusalem. The mayor said those actions had, quote, no place in our city. He quotes tweets this screenshot and says in the tweet, as I said earlier today, chance in support of a terrorist organization have no place in our city. we will continue to ensure New Yorker's safety entering and exiting houses of worship as well as the constitutional right to protest. Quote tweeting this article, I think for me, is, you know, dick fully out of mouth. Because this article in and of itself is a disgusting mischaracterization of the event, the reasons for the event.

I mean, this article does not mention that this is an Anglo-Settler community in the West Bank. It does not mention mortgage Israel. It doesn't even say the words, Malay, Adomim, does not mention anything. And at one time, maybe twice, acknowledges the idea that a land sale was happening. It does in that subheadline, and it does one other time. and I want to read that to you right now. Here's a quote. At the protest on Thursday,

pro-Palestinian demonstrators chanted their opposition to the sale of land in Jerusalem that they said had been, quote, stolen from Palestinians during the creation of the state of Israel. Later, they hurled anti-Semitic slurs at pro-Israel protesters across the street, expressing the view that Israel either should not or did not really exist. Wow, that's only two sentences, but it's just loaded.

Isn't that loaded as fuck? This, it is... Quote stolen. Dude, this is, like, it is packed. It is packed with it. I mean, demonstrators chanted their opposition to the sale of land in Jerusalem. There's falsehood number one. I mean, the, again, I'll show you the map.

Jerusalem there. settlement there. And then beyond that, they just say without, I mean, had they known the name of the settlement, maybe they would have Googled it, you know, like, and seen where exactly on the Google map it existed. But they said, uh, the land sale in Jerusalem that they said had been, quote, stolen from Palestinians during the creation of the state of Israel. No one said that.

No one said. I mean, yes, writ large, that's true. That's true. but that's not the claim. Right. And also... This is the West Bank. Yes.

And the West Bank. This is occupied territory. Did they mention occupied once in the entire article? I have not yet done a control F to find how many times they say occupied. But no, I mean, the fact is, is they are immediately claiming incorrectly that the land had been stolen from Palestinians during the creation of the state of Israel. This is the West Bank. It was in 67 when Israel...

occupied the West Bank. And also, not Jerusalem. I mean, just that. And the act of selling the land is, it's the completion of the theft. Right. Yeah. Because as the occupier,

you're supposed to be holding it until you give it back and whatever. Of course, 60, whatever years later, we know that's never happening. But yeah, incredible. And then the next sentence in that Times article? Oh, it's a great sentence. Later, they hurled anti-Semitic slur.

Which anti-Semitic slur? Hamas, I believe Yeah, that's literally what they mean, I think Yeah Slurs at pro-Israel protesters Across the street Expressing the view Terrorism's what we like

Go away, you big nose Yeah, do it In New York Times thought they were saying ham ass It's like the new headass Yeah Ham ass, motherfuckers But yeah The new dead ass

Yo, hemass, I was up. But yeah, I mean, so they just say hurled anti-Semitic slurs. I assume these sentences are connected, expressing the view that Israel either should not or did not really exist. Does that mean the slurs were something like settler? Israel is a fake country? And is a slur a whole sentence or is it just a word? I don't know. Yeah.

All I know is the view. vagueness of that is immediately contrasted with quotes that they got from the others, including, you know, we love ice. This is one of the quotes from the pro-Israel side. So I love how you can directly quote from the pro-Israel side, but then from the, you know, pro-Palestine side, it's immediately, well, it was anti-Semitic slurs. Need I say more? I don't think so. just totally journalistic malpractice

one two three fur here's a here is another generic slur is there a reason why they they are pro ice the israel people or is it just violence is that what it is I mean I think right wing Islamophobia

it's right wing Islamophobia and also I mean it is it is game recognized game they understand what ice is because if they are are, you know, Israeli, or even just pro-Israel, they understand the point of making sure that you get rid of the demographic threats. I mean, the way in which ICE and the IDF ideologically are able to, I mean, they see each other for what they are. I mean, they both do the same thing,

essentially. It's just in the United States, we're a little bit more queasy about it when it's so, when it's so violent and public. In Israel, they see it as necessary for their existence. And that's what the right wing wants us to start feeling here, too. It's like it is necessary for you to have these ICE soldiers along the streets, making sure that there's no Mexicans fucking up our birth rates or whatever. Zoran, like, approvingly quote tweeting their quote of him as validation. is so class president coded,

like collaborating with the administration. It's so fucking suss. It's fucking Carcetti coded. Yeah. Like that is, if you ever watch The Wire, like this is, and this has always been my queasiness with Zoron.

And it stems from the Obama era in which, you know, if you didn't watch the Wire, Carcetti is like this great white hope in Baltimore. He becomes the mayor. in his campaign he's learning about the war on drugs he's uh he's learning basically the problems within the city of baltimore especially for the black black population and you think like oh shit he's actually going to go there he's going to fix this shit because he really wants to he's

really disgusted by the he really is disgusted he really does want to to change things uh and then of course his uh entire ambition starts to come through and you see that at the end of the day what he really wants is just to be mayor and to win the election and you know hold and he's and he's in all of his intentions matter nothing right in the face of the people who he has signed up to listen to right and his people he has signed up to advise him and inform him and they not his inner principles shape how he governs and the gap between how he governs and how he speaks to the public and then his charm starts turning into smarm and on and on and on And then he was cast as Little Finger, right?

And then he was Little Finger. And then he told me, Chaos is a Wheel. New York was once New Hampshire, damn. Thank you. Thank you, producer. Adam. But yeah, like, I remember when Obama was asked during the campaign in 2007 or 08, he was asked what his favorite show was. And he said The Wire, and I got really nervous because I was like, if you watched The Wire and

and you still want to run for public office, I'm concerned. Unless, you know, you're coming at it from a point of like, no, I think I can do, you know, be a good politician. I actually will make drugs legal and all that shit. But yeah, so I was nervous about it, and I've been nervous about it with Zoron as well, just kind of like someone who knows how to say the right things,

but when it comes down to it is going to feel pressure to capitulate to something that does not, it does not need capitulation. It really doesn't. I feel like, you know, at best, if I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, he understands that the rest of the progressive, you know, caucus or whatever elected in New York is going to say something about this and he doesn't want to be the odd man out. and even that is not a sufficient excuse for me. It's just the, I don't know. He didn't comment on the other side. Maybe it would be a little bit better if he said also it sucks that they were saying kill all Palestinians, but there's not even a comment on it.

Yeah, he did. When someone asked him on a follow-up thing, he was at a lectern at some event the next day. And he's like, I also think it's absolutely, we should not be having these land theft thing. But I'm thinking of myself, okay, if you say that if you say that something has no place in the city, right? Well, that would have more teeth to it if you had the power to legislate it out, right? Now, what do you think is more the mayor's business? Right. Whether or not private real estate companies from other countries hold land sales for illegal land in places of worship in your city, or whether residents of this city gather in a protest against that

and say some shit that you don't think is cooth. Right. Which do you think your attention would be better focused on? You could very easily say, hey, you know what? I wouldn't chant that myself. Sounds to me like these people are trying to support Palestinian resistance. I wish they'd go about a different way. But ultimately, I agree with them that what they're protesting is completely and totally wrong. And we're going to focus on making sure these things don't happen.

What's that? Yeah, Intifada stuff. He used to say, look, I'm pro-Palestine and it's not my job as the mayor to police people's language. It's not what I would personally say, but that's, you know, blah, blah, blah. So he used to say it, but he's been like broken down by the whole, I guess the general election. Yeah. And, you know, I can't help but look at it and think that he understands now that he doesn't need to be specific. He doesn't need to play the job of I'm going to use the news media, whether it be local or national,

in order to educate the viewers on what I stand for and why I stand for it. Now he's not running because he's the mayor, and so he doesn't need to do that. So he's just going to just pop off with like, oh, yeah, you know, that is unacceptable and anti-Semitic. And he's going to quote to the fucking New York Times being like, good job on 14 seconds of saying exactly what we wanted you to say. And I'm sorry, that's what this is. All of this is, what did you want him to say?

something in order to distract from the idea that these protesters were doing anything maybe worthy of protesting. That's what it's for. It's for the change of narrative. It exists to make the protest about the, quote, slurs and about the debate of whether or not Hamas is bad. Now, for them, they want it to be taken as a given that everyone hates Hamas and that it is totally unacceptable and that it is the exact same thing as saying, like, you know,

I support the Nazis. Of course, that's not the case. But then what you end up having is discourse about Hamas, about people in the fucking United States, in the center of empire who support the people who are killing everyone that Hamas is claiming to represent or does represent in Gaza, politically at least. And we all have opinions now about Hamas. oh, about this particular resistance movement,

not at all looking at the fact that we're the ones that are in, fundamentally through our tax payments in opposition and genociding these people. And we have something to say, we fucking, either it's liberals or leftists too. You know, they want to have these conversations about, is how much good or bad? Well, you know, and it just, it pisses me off because what are we doing? What, we, the nerve of anyone who is, in the center of this fucking empire to be like,

I think we need to have discourse about this issue. When there is land sales happening in the West Bank, then that is what is being protested. I, yeah, it just makes me mad. But yeah, they've acceded to the narrative. Now we accede to the narrative. Yes, the idea that people are going to say it is anti-Semitic to change.

We support Hamas here. First of all, as if everyone was doing it. As if it was the, we're here to chant this protest. As if it's the fucking, you know, a large busking video. You know, I got to say. Improv everywhere. Hamas edition. I got, I got to say.

Like, and, you know, lots of love to drop site and friend of the show, Ryan Graham. But he had a, I thought, a rather convoluted tweet about this where he was, he was trying to game out like he basically said like okay this is a fairly standard playbook do you have this i'm i'm finding it right now but yes it'd be better than me paraphrasing it but he uh he's he was sort of just describing a tremendous amount of strategic thinking through and uh and kind of gamifying to the protesters like they were trying to do this so that they would get the reaction and heighten the contradictions and force zoron and aOC to pick aside and i just i just didn't find it persuasive. Here is the

tweet itself. There we go. So he says He says What happened at this protest followed a fairly common script. A script I just wrote myself. It is organized

against illegal land sales happening at the location. Not at a synagogue actually but that gets lost in the coverage. Okay so maybe it was just a Yeshua. Then a small handful of protesters managed to get a chant going about supporting Hamas, because they are trying to call the question for people like Mamdani and AOC and force them into a maximalist position, or more likely force them to

condemn the chant and then use that as an organizing vehicle to channel people away from them and toward their group. Pretty standard practice for sectarian orgs inside movements. That's kind of specious. I mean, to me, I look at this and he is just, like you said, creating a script as to what happened, why, you know, there can only be one reason why people would chant we support Hamas and it's because sectarians are trying to do infighting. Yeah. Or sectarians are are trying to force a maximalist position on, you know, the progressive elected officials in New York. To me, I look at that and like, no, no. As opposed to people just standing across the street from the real estate arm

of the genocidal entity that has wiped out your family and is wiping out everyone you know there and looking at that and what comes up in your kishkas

in your fucking guts viscerally is we support the ones who resist this right yeah what if it's no more elaborate than that yeah

that it's actually a genuine it's a statement of genuine allegiance It's like, fuck you, we're not going to condemn the resistance. I can completely get that independently of what I think about Hamas. And as we said on the question and answer, the mailbag episode, we don't think about Hamas.

Right. We don't have much to say about them as a organization. All I know is, I'm not going to make this elaborate Paul Thomas Anderson script to try to explain why people at a protest in January 2026 might defiantly say, yeah, you know what those fuckers we support them right i mean it is like i've said before israel has worked tirelessly to make people go from yes i condemn hamas to i don't know i kind of get it now yeah like that's the it's 2026 people are not looking at hamas as this villain they're looking at Hamas as an excuse and justification for the murder of Palestinians.

That's what they're looking at it. That's what Hamas means to most people. And whether or not, it's basically a Zog whistle at this point. Wow. 10 out of 10. I think it's a 10 of a 10. I'm not sure if the placement was 10 at a 10, but it was, it hit me out like a bolt out of the blue.

I'm like, holy shit, why have I not said this on the show? before. Oh, I thought it was perfect. I thought it was perfect. I mean, I guess, yeah, maybe in the context, but who's looking backwards? I'm looking forwards, baby. You know me. You're looking forward to what this episode's going to be called. Yes. Certainly not

Zog Whistle. I think we should just call it unglazed. Unglazed, yes. But yeah, I mean, to finish off the unglazing of Zoron, or to not finish them off, specifically, it's incredibly disappointing

seeing someone who knows better that this is going to be his go-to line, that this is his knee-jerk response to this. His daddy knows better. Definitely. Do we have that tweet from Mahmoud?

Yeah, here is his... This is from years ago. This is from 2021. Mahmoud Mandani says, when all ranks of the occupation from the armed settler to the settler state claim, quote, the right of self-defense, what language is left for those

who defend themselves against the occupation but the right to resist? And that goes for those who support them globally. What language have you left them? Right. We should have been pretty basic at the end. That's my note for it. That's what AOC said.

And honestly, that's what Ryan Grimm said. He said it's pretty standard. It's pretty basic. Or shoe theory. Yeah. Everything's pretty obvious if you think about it. Yes. That's true.

Everyone's just stupid. Everyone but me. I thought it was in the nature of obviousness that you don't have to think about it. Right. Yeah. Anti-Semitism is not a maze balls. Yeah. It's certainly not awesome sauce.

I'm holding up a very solemn spork today. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Mamdani is. just became the mayor. He's not the mayor of my city. I have no stake in his mayorship

beyond what he is representing in terms of a seat. I have no steak through his heart. I have no steak through his heart. I have no garlic around my name. So I think people who are expecting and waiting

for him to become the I don't know, the CIA op that they've been saying that he is, you know, from the beginning, I think they're going to have plenty of shit to point out to back up those claims. And I, for one, am not someone who I try to not be as cynical as I am in my heart. But in my heart, yes, I am as much of a miserable piece of shit as anyone who's commented about us glazing Zoron. But I, you know, I will say that like seeing this, all it does is back up those claims that, you know, at the end of the day, it's all insincere politicking. In my head, I still choose to believe that it feels impossible for someone to play that long of a long game, where they're like, I'm going to run for mayor as New York as.

an anti-Zionist just feels like that if you wanted to be mayor there's easier ways that being said I you know I I don't know I don't expect politicians to hold a position a pro Hamas position by the you don't have to grim it out you don't have to be like ah it's a pretty standard script you know like like up and coming uh political neophyte decides to take the long way towards power so you can enforce a Zionist no he starts out with ideas He still has those adios. That's the thing. He still has them.

He's just making concessions here, making concessions there, listening to this piece of advice. And look, while we're still in this, we still are in a transition period between him being an unknown and him being a major figure. I mean, he's crossed over, really. But what I'm saying is there's also still a transition period between him as a movement guy and him as a power guy. And while he still has some tethers in the movement, he needs people around him being like, yo, dude, that was whack.

Yeah. You didn't need to say that. And there are consequences to saying that. Because I don't think he thinks there are consequences to saying that. He thinks he can just say that. No, there's only bad consequences for saying that. I don't see, I don't see. For you too, there are bad consequences.

For him, I know. For him is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. For him, it's all bad. The Zionists aren't going to be like, oh, he's cool now. Like, you are still going to be attacked by the ADL as an anti-Semite. for anything that you do. They've already said it's not enough.

You know, nothing that he says is enough. So to me, I'm like, why even cave on something when you know full well that this entire thing is a distraction? It's meant to be changing the narrative on what these protesters are. And it's meant for you to commit to criminalizing people who are organizing

protests in front of synagogues in which there are land. sales. I don't give a shit what the building is. If you're in there doing apartheid, fuck you. And then when genuine acts of anti-Semitism happened, like something happened in Jackson, Mississippi. Yes, when they burned down a synagogue. Burned down a synagogue, yeah. And then Zoron, for some reason, thinks he needs to comment now on every incident of anti-Semitism everywhere. And it looks even more ridiculous to people like us because you just fucked the pooch on this protest, you know? And showed that you're, you're,

your concern for Jewish feelings seems to be a little bit tilted on those scales. Right. And it's, and it also, it's as, you know, I'm sorry, but it is as calculated as the Zionists say it is. But in a direction that obviously, you know, diverts from the Zionist perspective on it. I think it's calculated in terms of trying to present himself, at least on paper, as like, No, I am not an anti-Semite. The thing is, he is not an anti-Semite. Right. And the fact that he feels the need to placate these bad faith fucking losers to me is...

You already won. He's already the mayor, too. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Yeah. It's like Pacino said to Alan Arkin and Glenn Gary Glenn Ross. Arkin's like, I'm nervous. I'm nervous. What do you mean you're nervous?

I get nervous talking to cops. Yeah, you know who doesn't? Thieves. Yeah, exactly. You know? You're not an anti-Semite. you know who whatever

no now I'm just looking for our Glenn Gary Glenn Ross fucking Patel but I can't find it I think we got rid of it unfortunately we used well now that cash well

yeah yeah that that shabby Patel that chubby Patel guy is out but Cash Patel is in we've never used it for Cash Patel we need to bring that bumper back anyways Zoran you're on notice

Zoron Soron notice. Oh, yeah, it's absolutely just, all of it just makes me mad, which is why I need to take a break. So we're going to do that. We're taking a quick break for wonderful commercials, probably. They might be bad. I don't know.

Listen to them, and we'll be right back. And we're back as bad as bar. The World's Most Moral podcast here with Jeremy Kaeplewitz. How you doing, Jeremy? I'm good. How are you? well, you know, just out here doing podcasts, living my life, having children. You guys know what I mean?

High five. You guys have kids? I do not. I know. Good for you. Next in the docket, we got to talk about Portugal. Now, many of you don't know this, but Portugal is not in South America. Portugal is weird.

I mean, that's where that's where Portuguese comes from, though, right? That's right. From Brazil. Brazil. Yeah. So I assume people assume that that's where Portugal is from. No. You see, the Brazilians sailed over to Spain and said, it's a Brazilian colony.

That's right. They said, we're going to make our own country just for people who speak this weird language. Yes, Portuguese, the Frenchman, a deaf Frenchman speaking Spanish, I believe is what I called the language one time. Anyways, there was a restaurant in Lisbon that recently closed down and Yeah, it's too bad. I mean, look, Israeli restaurants closing down. Oh, it's an Israeli restaurant. Yes, it was an Israeli

restaurant. Even sadder, is what you want to say. Yeah, sure. It's always sad when people don't get to try Palestinian food. But here is an article written about it in Haaretz. Daniel, you take it away. Yeah, let's see what happens here. Israeli-owned Lisbon restaurant says it will close over anti-Israel anti-Semitic campaigns. The restaurant opened by an Israeli couple and rated among Lisbon's top 10 will close after nearly a decade. It quote, it started, this is the subhead. It quoted, it started with online messages. Later, it was a protest outside the restaurant, graffiti on the wall, as the owner said.

And the article starts. restaurant in Lisbon announced Tuesday that it would close its doors after nearly a decade, citing harassment and vandalism in the wake of Israel's war in Gaza. Well, I guess this is just one of the unfortunate things. And, you know, like the protesters are probably not even going to look to see what your own politics are. They see you're Israeli and they jump to conclusions that you're a massacre denying a monster with no sensitivity whatsoever to what the indigenous people of that land went through. Let's continue. It really does feel like a drum roll

where you're like, what they do? What they say? Okay, let's see. What are they called? In a post on Facebook, the owners of Tantura. Let me try that again. In a post on Facebook, the owners of Tantora, that's an interesting name.

I'm sorry, what is that? Was the Sabra and Chitila Cafe already taken? Have you heard of Tantura, Jeremy? No, I don't know this. Okay, great. Let's school the people. So this is a fun joke for us. So Tintura, for those of you don't know, I first heard of the court.

Hold on, hold on. Let's finish this paragraph because it'll make it be funnier. The owners of Tantura explained that they were forced to deal with the war and the alarming rise in anti-Semitism in the world over the past two years. Quote, we had graffiti smeared on the restaurant walls, blackening its good. name online, hostile campaigns, and a full-on boycott, the post reads. So let's talk about its good name. Okay.

Tantora, according to Wikipedia, if you don't know, I first learned about this, the massacre that happens. It was an Arab village, okay, that was a Palestinian Arab fishing village in Palestine. and it was the place of a massacre in 1948 in May in which just unspeakable Israeli war crimes happened. They made a whole documentary. This is how I first heard about Tentura. Called Tentura is the name. That's the name of the documentary.

And here's just a snippet from a former Israeli soldier talking about his time in Tentura. The events in Tantora were crazy and horrifying. Tentura was a rich village and had beautiful houses. Its residents lived like Europeans, you know. And women of the village used to wear nice clothes. For real, it was a village. One of the soldiers raped a 16-year-old girl. Now he's laughing.

Do you understand? The events were horrendous. By the way, if you're listening to this and not watching, he is smiling and laughing throughout this. entire footage. And he's a very old man. Yes. And it's not that he's laughing diabolically. It's that he's been sitting with these

secrets. There's a combination of nervousness and dissociation. And, you know, it's not gleeful. He's telling you it was horrible. We did horrible things. And he's laughing as he says this. So it's a kind of like built up defense mechanism. But it's very unsettling, so

to speak, to see a man of this age, recalling what he did and seemingly emotionally completely disconnected from him. Completely disconnected. Yeah. There was a guy with us, a soldier. He is dead. He was a brutal human being. He took them, the Palestinians, and put them in a cage and killed them. They gathered them in something like a cage and put iron wires around them. They gather all the men, sat them on the ground. And one of the soldiers got the submachine gun and shot them.

So he's describing just a summary mass execution. He changed the cartridge. What do you think? But we were not like that. That person was different and unusual. They imposed a cover-up. So, I mean, this is one of many interviews you'll see from Israeli soldiers,

older Israeli soldiers, talking about this massacre. And the documentary itself has some of the most like chilling interview footage, not chilling footage of the mass murder, mind you. This is chilling footage of old ex-Israeli soldiers recalling what happened there and doing so with, if not glee, if glee is too farred, I will say at the very least some fondness. fondness of the memory. Or some fascination in some way, but something well short of... But very internal fashionation. Fascination with themselves that they were around for such a monumental occasion in which they all agree was necessary, at the very least for the creation of the state of Israel.

So this is what the restaurant in the Lisbonne is named after. The village. And that's the speech they give as they explain the specials. We put the eggs in the cage. Oh, God. We boil them. That's how we do our eggs, Benedict. One of those moments from that, I didn't see the whole documentary, but one of the clips I saw that really stuck with me was, you know, the trailer that really stuck with me in that movie.

Was a guy being like, yeah, you know, there were, there were rapes. We killed women and children. And someone says, have you ever told me anyone? You ever told your wife? He's like, what am I supposed to tell her? That I raped somebody? Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah.

It's just watching people confess to some horrid shit. And you realize in watching it that the narrative is so strong. The narrative of Israel's existence and creation is the most important event in Jewish history. It's so strong that everything that led out, to it. Everything that was done in order to create the state was worth it in some way. And so they can actually say war crimes that they've done without feeling like maybe they should mask a little bit of this in some sort of. It's like this is the pre-shoot and cry era of Israeli. Like now it's all the liberal Zionist shooting and crying.

It was shooting and crowing back then. Right. It was shooting and crowing. Exactly. All right, here's some more about this wonderful restaurant. The restaurant was founded by Elad Bodenstein and Itzamar Eliahu in 2017, serving Homo, Sambusak, and Shukha in Lisbon's main entertainment district. Some great Jewish foods. It's great classic Jewish foods. The place has won a raft of awards and has been ranked one of the city's 10 best

restaurants. The name Tantura was inspired by the beach where the owners met and later married. Along the beach, just south of Haifa and Israel's north, once stood the Palestinian village of Tantura, also the site of a massacre of Palestinians during the 1948 War of Independence. Berenstein and Eliahu said they were not aware of this historical association when they chose the name. However, when we found out of the historical association, we kept the name. First of all, the fact that they could know this beach well enough. In fact, it's where they met and got married on that beach.

And then they could leave and go to Portugal and start a restaurant and leave Israel never having known that there was a massive massacre on that beach or right down the beach from there says something already. Yeah. About that society. Yeah. But then you fucking name your restaurant at, and you find out about it

and it doesn't really change much. Right. It doesn't because there is no part of you that thinks that there will ever be a mass movement of people who have heard of this massacre. You are utterly convinced that this will always be an

okay thing to name your restaurant. I mean, you know, through no fault of their own, most people I think are convinced. Come get sizzling apps and chicky fingers at the wounded knee diner. Yeah, it's like me finding out that I'm getting canceled as being like, oh, these people really hate whites here.

That's why they're making me tear down my bar, the Trail of Beer's Bar in Oklahoma. Just completely, just, yeah. So, I mean. My diner had to close. my concentration themed diner Noshwitz. Why are you making

me close hamburger Belson? It's my favorite burger shop. Yeah. It is, you know, them being utterly convinced that it's like, oh shit, I didn't know that was the same name. Well, no matter. Yeah, it says a lot about the, I think,

I don't know, I guess the strength and proliferate of the pro-Palestine movement that people, I mean, I don't think it was necessarily targeted because it was called Tintura. I mean, I'm sure it was. But I think also

in general, just the idea of Israelis operating a Palestinian food restaurant in Lisbon that's named after a massacre. All that mixed together is going to cause some tempers to flare. That's a recipe for backlash.

That's right. Maybe I would regret saying this, but I do wonder what the graffiti was because I feel like if it was like really fucked up graffiti, it would say anti-Semitic graffiti and not just there was graffiti. Right, right. Yeah, that's. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe at the end of the article, it'll be a bunch of swastikas or something. Yeah, maybe. Maybe.

If it was, they'd say it. It does feel like they'd lead with it, but who knows? Here's a little bit more of this article. In December, they told how arts that turned out of the restaurant fell for 120 customers a day before the war. to 20 during the fighting. Solutions were suggested, they wrote in the Facebook post. I want to know the solutions. The owner said they were advised to change the restaurant's name.

You think? Yeah. I love that. Keep a low profile, hang a sign saying they don't support the war in Gaza and play down their identities. All of this felt like a band-aid and a much deeper wound, they wrote. We've given up on Tantura, but not on our... ourselves. Well, that's good. No one wants you to not believe in yourself anymore, guys. These deeply anti-Semitic solutions were suggested, which reminded us of final solutions.

Right, exactly. A very dangerous trend. These are a list of final solution. You know, Hitler had a solution to the Jewish problem that included, changed their name from Jews to something more fun. but yeah you want to continue reading sure speaking with Israel's channel 12 on Thursday the two chefs said the harassment campaign began

on October 8th 2020 a day after Hamas's surprise attack on southern Israel quote it felt planned because it all began then first we will breach this we will breach the separation wall yes yes and we will slaughter people

people at a music festival. And we will take over 200 hostages. Sorry, he's going to be Israeli in my voice. I don't know. At the very next day, and the very next day, the Yelp bombing will begin. We'll start with Portugal. Operation Tantura. That's where we go on, give one star to this one restaurant in Lisbon.

We're going to go massacre their reputation. It's a top 10 in Lisbon. It's in Portugal, not in South America. Well, it's actually kind of a classic script, Matt. It actually is a classic. sort of standard playbook stuff. It's simple. Yeah, so everyone knows that after you plan and attack,

you always also target a restaurant the next day. It's pretty basic. It's pretty basic. It started with online messages. Later, it was a protest outside of the restaurant, graffiti on the walls, showing a picture of us as the owner of a Zionist business, quote, unquote. It was all over the place, Eliahu told the outlet.

Okay, so showing a picture of, us as so was the Zionist graffiti a picture of them that said Zionist? I'm clear. I don't know. I don't know. When asked whether they received support from the Israeli community in Lisbon, Eliahu told Channel 12 that some Israelis developed a different kind of fear, explaining that they didn't come to the restaurant due to fears it would be targeted because of its Israeli identity.

I can understand them, Eliahu said, with Bodenstein adding that we're not judging anybody. including ourselves we're not judging anybody who's Israeli yeah yeah the European Jewish Congress said it was deeply concerned by the closure of the restaurant that a cultural and culinary space dedicated to bringing people together has been driven out of business by hate is a troubling reflection

of the climate facing Jewish and Israeli life in parts of Europe today the EJC said in a statement on social media I feel the need to mention that it is incredibly strange to say a culinary and cultural space dedicated to bringing people together as a qualifier for restaurant. And I say this because are there other Israeli restaurants that are not dedicated to that, which are in fact incredibly anti-sharing of culinary space?

Are there racist restaurants that exist out there that the European Jewish Congress is okay with closing. Because to me, you just described the restaurant as some sort of diplomatic building. And I don't think that is the case. I looked it up, by the way. It looks like the graffiti said Free Palestine. That's a very dangerous.

That slur. You can just tell they wanted to say, have some adjective there, but they couldn't. That is really anti-Semitic. Isn't that right, Netanyahu? Thank you. Thank you so much. A cultural and culinary space dedicated to bringing people together

wouldn't stay named after a fucking massacre of the people whose food you're serving. Yeah, there's an asterisk next to people and a footnote that includes people that they exclude. By people, I mean, not any Palestinians or anyone who's ever seen a documentary. And the EJC says that these actions were far beyond political expression.

Free Palestine is, I can't see it in any other light than political expression, but hey, you know. That's your limited mind. When anti-Semitism manifests in a way that silences livelihoods and erases silences and erases, wow, the European Jewish Congress has been attending woke school, erases Jewish presence from public life. It must be recognized for what it is. Discrimination with real and damage and consequences. The EJC expresses its full solidarity with the owners of Tantura. And with the Jewish community of Lisbon.

The restaurant. As well as the restaurant. Exactly. Oh, my God. I love that. Yeah, the silences livelihoods and erases Jewish presence. Like, you're named after a restaurant that silenced. lives and erased people.

I just want to say there's a bit of a difference there. Kind of not exactly the same thing. But also silences livelihoods. Does it silence livelihoods? Does it? Yeah, that's not quite the right

word. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like they just really wanted silence in theirs. But the still doesn't work because silences is violences it doesn't work they were attempting to do lib speak and i think they failed tremendously yeah i think we can all agree though that you know murdering and raping people is uh key to the jewish identity right that's a distinction that we jews want to make exactly exactly this is part of our cultural tradition and our culinary spaces to be honest And we hate anti-Semitism. Again, Jews, rape and murder.

Yeah, exactly. We love it. The language itself and also erasing Jewish presence from public life. God. Just everything about it is wonderful. And colonarily, you know, we've always had a fondness for church to table cuisine. That's right. Church orphanage to table cuisine.

That's right. fuck to table but that is that is a RIP to that restaurant I hope you know I hope they open up a new one

you know and it's named after the knock bar or something they'll call it SNACPA and then they'll have to explain that it's no it's a combination of snack and bar God damn it we can't stop opening problematic

random word What's next? Is Quibi a town I should know about? Come on. Maybe the next time I commit a massacre, I'll name it after a restaurant I like. Oh, I like that. The Sizzler Massacre of 2026. Yeah, can it go in the other direction?

Yeah, I can. I think you have to massacre a Sizzler, though. That is our episode of Bad Hazz Bar this week. Jeremy, thank you so much for coming back on and speaking with us. Thank you for having me. Wonderful having you. Where can people find you? I'd love if people listen to my podcast coordinators. You guys were both on an episode. It was very fun. Yeah. Maybe an easy transition. That's right. That's right. If you need to ease into it, you can hear us on an episode. It's a great podcast. You won't get scared. Thank you. Everyone listened to it is really, really funny.

It exposed me to things about the internet that I couldn't have easily conceived. Oh, yeah. I'm still remembering that one German guy who kept asking, kind of with increasing urgency. But what would happen if I got kicked in the testicles? What if I liked the feeling? What do I do? Yeah, just kept asking over and over.

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