Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 174: Tankie Very Much, with Samira Mohyeddin

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by returning champion Samira Mohyeddin from On The Line Media to discuss the tumult in Iran, an Australian butt dial that works in reverse due to the Coriolis effect, and a sweet little sing-along to Jesse’s Girl.Please donate to United Palestinian Appeal: https://upaconnect.org/See Matt and Francesca Fiorentini January 24 at the Ice House in Pasadena, CA: https://www.showclix.com/event/new-world-disorder-01-24-26-7-pmOn The Line Media: https://www.youtube.com/@SamiraMohyeddinSamira on IG: https://www.instagram.com/smohyeddin/New Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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But yes, I know. They need it more. So do it. Daniel, what is the spin? Well, it's a bit of a grab bag today, but on several themes. So number one, it is MLK Day. And you mentioned the threat to that as a national holiday. Well, one of the main reasons it became a national holiday.

You know which music legend we have to thank for that? Oh, if I had to guess, I would say, David Bowie. not quite Stevie Wonder that was gonna be the next one Happy birthday too It was a big part of the campaign Really?

Yeah And it's since become the sort of the black happy birthday As it's known Yeah You go to a cookout For someone's birthday You're not gonna hear

Happy birthday Yeah That's what I call it I always Whenever I hear it I go hey guys This is the black happy birthday That's what I'm telling you men

I guess you just have gotten invited to the cookout, Matt, because that is what they call it. I've been to the cookout, and I'll tell you, they sing in the black happy birthday. It's a different type of birthday. It's kind of like the whiz. It's the black wizard of all. I don't know why when I say black, I just turned into my dad saying the word black. I wonder how Martin would feel about a segregated happy birthday song, you know?

Oh, exactly, exactly. Separate, separate, but equal, but not equal. All birthdays matter. not equal because this song is song rocks a lot harder. And then also Max Roach, the jazz drummer with his Freedom Now Suite, which is an incredible testament of the civil rights from about 1960. He ended up doing a drum piece, a percussion piece called, I Have a Dream or something like that.

Or he sampled Martin Luther King's, I Have a Dream, and played drums to it. Kind of like you see a lot of Instagram. Yeah, right. People playing piano like someone's. weird sort of cadence or something like that. It's usually done sort of comedically I've seen. I like it. It's not comedic.

I love that, especially since I think Martin Luther King has a rhythmic cadence. So it actually works quite well. What I like is that that album is called We Insist. Yeah. And I'm sure that there's, you know, a reason for that. But it just reminds me of me and my wife going out to dinner with another couple and trying to get the bill. No, no, no.

We insist. That's very good. Then I've got an Iranian record. I still don't have a flock of seagulls. Iran so far away, so I can't include that. Iran so far away. But I do have Kourush Yagmere, who look at this fucking dude. Look at this badass dude.

Samira in the green room is given two thumbs up. Nice. Back from the brink. This is, I think, pre-revolution. 70s like psych folk. Amazing, amazing music. And then because we have a Canadian guest, I'm going to shoehorn in, grandfather in,

a whole bunch of Canadian music. This is the album Ghetto Blaster by my buddy, so-called Josh Dolgan, who does the music for Canada Land and is also an amazing musician, klezmer, hip-hop, turntablist, DJ, magician, cartoonist. And this is the 20th anniversary edition. of this album. The original was this same woman when she was a little girl, sipping on the straw, but this is the 20th indigent. It's a beautiful album called Ghetto Blaster. And then Propagandhi from

Winnipeg, Potemkin City Limits, great fucking hardcore punk band. City and Color, which is a indie folk group out of, or act out of Canada. Got to include some classics. So we got Anne Murray, who basically, she is the, she's the, He's the aesthetic model for every second grade teacher in Canada. They all look like her. Oh, damn. This way is my way. Then we got Gordon Lightfoot.

Tell me who the fuck that he looks like in this picture. Brian Cranston. He looks like if Walter White had been doing his business in the 1970s. I love it. He looks like a mixture of Jesse Pinkman and Walter White together. I love it. That's right. Yeah.

Beautiful. Breaking Bad, North of the Border Edition. Neil Young comes at time. Amazing album by Mr. Young. A couple more. Just a couple. Bruce Coburn, got to get him in. This is his album, The Charity of Night, which is my favorite album by him.

Gorgeous album by Mr. Cockburn. And finally, Lover Boy, their greatest hits. Everybody's potting for the weekend. Yeah. I love it. Vancouver Group. I was waiting for just one. I was waiting for Sammy Yusuf.

It was an Iranian-born British-like singer, Muslim singer. I kind of, that's, if I had a What's the Spin, that's what it would be for this episode, because we're going to be talking a lot about Iran. Shout out to Sammy Yusuf. I don't, I assume his politics are dope. But, and he had an album in 2003 that my Iranian friend used to play all the time. And it got me really into, like, Islamic music.

I mean, it's very, you know, British and sort of like Western. But it was all like either, it was half in Farsi, half in Arabic. It had songs like Muhammad. That's a sick one. it's good. And then Al-Mualem is the name of the album and the name of the best song on the album. Fuck it.

Throw it on the playlist. That's an executive decision. And also, if you could throw on Iran so far away by Falakas Eagles, I'd be very happy. Yeah, do it. Do it now. He was Muhammad. I don't know, like, because I don't speak it, but it was a fucking good album.

I got to sit that out. It's like for real dope. I remember just being like, oh, shit, okay. Sam Yusuf. Who is the loved one? Allah. Who is al-rahman? Allah.

It was so sick. It was so sick. Anyways. You should take that act out on the street with a guitar and bust like you used to. With bone fogs and harmony. I think I wonder how it would go. I think people would like it, honestly. The problem is he's a good singer.

I'm not a good singer. Okay. We have to introduce our guests. Very excited to have a returning champion back on the podcast. The Toronto-based Iranian-Canadian journalists, you know from On the Line Media. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome back to the podcast, Samira Malyadin. Brat, brad, brad, brad, brad, brup, what's up? How you doing?

Gentlemen, how are you? Well, live in life. How are you doing? Live in large. Living large, living life. Living the dream. Yeah, this is it. This is the dream.

Not just MLK's dream, but everyone's dream. For us to be podcasting on an American national holiday. Now, you guys don't celebrate that in Canada, do you? No, we do not. No, we have no MLK celebrations here. Do you have like, we add a letter and call it Milk Day. Milk Day, yeah. I love milk.

That's great. Do you guys, I guess you don't have like an MLK. Like, who's your guy? Let me mark Maren this. Who are your guys? I mean,

we have moving a reality. Yeah. He was a Métis later. Yeah, I think it's quite confined to Manitoba, though. I don't think anybody celebrates it outside, right? Yeah. It's not national.

And then I don't, I don't think we have any day. Terry Fox, the guy, there's no day for him. the guy who, the one-legged guy who tried to run across Canada? Yeah, we have Victoria. And failed. We have Victoria.

What's Victoria Day? Queen Victoria. Oh, no, I don't know that. Yeah, yeah. It's one of the queens? She's the queen mum. Oh. I don't know.

The mother of the queen. Mother? The mother of all mothers. Elizabeth's mom? Yeah, Charles's grandma. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Played Don on Beverly Hills, 9-0-2-10. Okay, good to know.

Good to know. Thank you, producer Adam. Samira, we are going to be talking a lot about Iran today. MIGA. Talk about, MIGA. We'll talk about, excuse me? Make Iran great again. MIGA.

Yeah, that's what they call it. That is. We're all walking around going, you my mega. Yeah, yeah. I feel like they, there's really setting us up for disaster with that one. Although, I guess if you're already someone who's, like Maga but Iran, you probably are saying that with a hard, a hard eye, at least. The problem is, it also stands for Make Israel Great Again.

Oh, interesting. That's a bonus. Look at that. I wonder if there's any connection there. Do you see any connection there, Samira? No, not at all. Well, so Samara, my understanding, just based on a cursory reading of the history, that to make Iran great again

would be to reinstall that Motown girl group, the Shah Shah Shah. The Shahs. The Sharells. No, I mean, listen, this is decades of work by satellite televisions. These are the Iranian satellite TVs

that really are just hearkening to this nostalgia. There is a nostalgia, you know, when your aunt says to you, We used to go to cabarees and, you know, we'd gamble and there were clubs and discos. This is what's being fed to this generation. And listen. Sometimes I'd show a little ankle. Exactly.

Every propaganda has a little bit of truth in it. And it's just gone wild from there. It's a perfect, perfect cluster fuck to bring this sort of nationalism together and to start with all the rhetoric of like, we are not Arab, we are ancient civilization. I mean, all of that is tied into this, you know. And then you bring in the Israel and, you know, the Jewish people and Cyrus saved you, and we are two ancient cultures that have been together for millennia. And there's this 50-year blip where things didn't go right, but we're going to make it

great again. And that's what this is about. I mean, you see the Israeli flags at a lot of these protests, which is. Yeah. Could we show a clip, Matt, of right in your hometown there, Samira? Yeah. This is, I mean, these are some committed marchers. I mean, it looks like it's pretty snowy where you are. We had a little bit of snowy in New York, but nothing like Toronto. This is an account called Iranian American, and it says Iranians in Toronto showed guts like no one else in the world yesterday, marching through freezing snow and brutal winds to stand with the people of Iran and tell the Canadian government to stop sucking up to the

regime and that is accompanied by this video of people marching in Toronto. Here it is. So you see in the background flags, including a real big Israeli flag. And it does look cold as shit, you know, that is fun. Now some of these flags I don't recognize. knives. Punch buggy white and blue. Okay. Punch your nearest guy then.

Yeah, so. And they're chanting. The chant is, yeah, Pahlavi will return. Okay, so hold on. Pahlavi is the son of the Shah? Yes, he's the crown prince of the former Shah of Iran, Muhammad Reza Shah. Right. Okay. Now,

let's just back up for a second because this is i confused i not confuse easily yeah he's smart usually mad confused matt always confused matt lives baseline confused but when daniel confused they're not really confused shit confusing yeah now i shared with you samira an article on substack i think it was or n plus one or n plus one n plus one one one of these like intelligent uh uh publications that did a good job for me of like sorting my hemispheres out because when I deal when I look at Iran obviously I have my anti-Western imperial lens and my anti-Zionist lens and a huge amount of suspicion of any propaganda that does exactly what you laid out in your intro right harkening back to Cyrus and Persia and now Iran is Western and we need to make it great again and all that.

And at the same time, something in me feels a little rotten when I consider that, well, my ignorant ass might be dismissing out of hand aspects of the protests that are genuine. We have a family friend who died in an Iranian prison under the current regime. Sorry, whose father died. You know, I know other people who have had family members. What's that? Where is he now?

In heaven. Do you want me to say in heaven with 72 virgins? No, no, no. His son, who is also a very good friend of mine, went back to Iran six months ago. Oh, you know who I'm talking about? Absolutely. He's a good friend of mine. He's in Iran. He went back to Iran six months ago.

So if it's such a hell, if it's such an oppressive, hellish place, why would this guy go back? And all of his posts from there are, I'm having the best time of my life. I'm so glad I came back here. I mean, Iran is not a monolith. Iran is something different to every single Iranian. It is a country of 92 million people, 92 million the size of Western Europe.

So anybody who comes and tells you Iranians or this or Iran is that is full of shit. Right. Okay, I got that. So the article I shared with you, though, was stressing the ways that the current government has exploited the U.S. sanctions and the U.S. has exploited internal unrest. And there just seems to be a big cycle of mutual exploitation of narratives. Matt, you were going to ask a question, but I mean, what I'm driving towards is, can you give us an overall picture that doesn't pay lip service, you know, to whatever should be supported or honored about what's going on there?

Whatever is spontaneous, whatever is grassroots, whatever is class-based. I think that would be one of my principles for things to support. How do we keep our heads about ourselves as we watch what's unfolding? I'm going to try to do this in two minutes. Okay. Pre-revolution 1979, you guys are all familiar with Michelle Foucault, very well-known sociologist French. Michelle Foucault went to report on the revolution in Iran and was talking about this spiritual awakening and Khomeini being this Gandhi-like figure. You know, there were op-ed pieces in the New York Times by Richard Falk, very well-known international human rights lawyer, saying we should trust Khomeini. He is not going to be an oppressive person.

He's inclusive, all of this stuff. And Khomeini himself at the time was saying, I'm going to bring freedom, freedom of expression, freedom from torture, all of these things. That didn't happen. Iran became an extremely repressive, oppressive government, killing thousands of people in the summer of 1988 in the jails. 6,000 people were killed. This isn't hyperbole.

It's very well known. You can go look it up. However, as all of this is going on, you have these crippling sanctions placed on Iran. During when? Well, the biggest ones have started about 20 years ago. But when Iran took the American embassy hostage in 1979, that's when these sanctions really started. So they took the 52 Americans hostage. And it was just this constant, you know, and then the war started with Iraq.

America was helping Iraq. They were using chemical weapons against Iranians. 800,000 people were killed in an eight-year war of attrition. And then in 1989, Iran started to open up a little, right? The world started coming in and all of this. And then the first mass protest happened in 1999. And during the Islamic Republic, this was by the students. It was called the student movement.

And it happened in August of 1999. Hundreds of students were killed. And it was all because this newspaper was shut down. Iranian civil society at the time was really burgeoning. It had one of the largest presses in the whole of the Middle East. All of these newspapers were opening up. All of this was happening. And it was under Khatami.

Okay? Then you moved to the Green Movement. Again, this was, you know, fraudulent elections. Musavi should have won. This is back in 2009. Again, hundreds of people killed, jailed, imprisoned. And then from 2017 on, a successive just hamster wheel of protests happening. And then in 2019, again, hundreds of people killed.

And then you remember the Massa Amini uprising, thousands arrested, hundreds of people killed. That's women life, that's women like freedom. Women like freedom. Then we come to this program. which began on December 28th. We know from many of the protesters accounts themselves that in the first two days, people were protesting. Even the government itself came out and said, Pazeshkiyon, who's the president right now, said,

people have a right to protest. We do have major economic problems. We do have corruption. We're going to fix it. All of this stuff. And then things got fucking ugly. Right. And when, so when did that happen?

those first two days. What days were those? December 28th, it started by January 1st, which is when you saw Mike Pompeo fucking tweet out. That's right. Mike Pompeo tweeted out, there are Mossad agents walking beside them. Happy New Year to the Iranians and the Mossad agents walking behind them. Like, saying that out loud is such a crazy thing to do when you just say, you know, I just want to shout out to the free people of Iran who are. just trying to do whatever these Mossad agents are getting them to do.

But it wasn't just him. It wasn't just him. It was Israeli officials. Amichai Eliahu, the heritage minister saying, we're on the ground. He said we have a hand in this. I mean, it's about time the handlers get their flowers. You know, it's about time the covert agents, the Ajun provocateurs, you know, they never get fucking named for some reason.

It's sad to be covert when you just want to be overt a little bit, you know? I want to be an overt op for once. No more hiding. So anyways, the thing with this is, I want to go back to what Daniel was saying about, you know, not being a ship and like not trying to take away from Iranian people's... Yeah,

not being a stereotypical tankie who just closes his eyes to anything that might contradict the anti-imperialist narrative without giving up my anti-imperialism. For instance, you mentioned the sanctions, right? one of my, again, first principles without knowing much about the individual situations all over the earth, is that if a country has been subject to brutal

U.S. sanctions for a long time, I'm going to look askance at any Western reports of some heroic, pure protest movement. I mean, economic unrest, you know, being the impetus for it and then being

like, man, can you believe what the Iranians are doing? Not to say that, of course, there's more things than just sanctions going on in Iran, but we're going to sit here saying that? It's economic warfare. That's what it is. And the other thing is also that you have the sanctions, but then on top of that, you have serious corruption and mismanagement. See, a lot of people think that this government will just fall because, you know,

somebody comes out and burns a building or does whatever in Iran. This government is so entrenched in Iran's economy. What sanctions have actually done is created underground black market economy, and they have enabled the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which is this paramilitary group that guards the revolution. So you didn't have that in 1979 during the Shah, when they brought the Shah down. We now have a three-tier army in Iran. There is a weird sort of Stasi called the Basij, that basically,

basically keeps an eye on society and the universities. And so there's that, and then there's the IRGC, which guards the revolution itself, the ideals of the revolution. And then you have the National Army, which I don't even know what they do in Iran. They're like non-existent. And then you have the police or whatever, but the official police. So all of these things, you're not seeing the defections.

You're not seeing the things that you would need to have an actual revolution. All you're seeing are people burning things, and people in the diaspora yelling, you know, Pahlavi. is coming back. But I want to get back to what Daniel was saying because these are real protests happening inside the country. Is there foreign meddling? 100% there's foreign meddling.

But that doesn't mean that people in Iran aren't fucking pissed off. They are. You know what I mean? And these mullahs, these clerics that you see wrapped in these claws and they're like crawling to a slow fucking zombie like death, they don't live these Gnostic lives, you know,

in a cave or whatever. They're fucking billionaires. Okay. Chaminet has so much money stored away in Swiss banks. They're set up. Their families are set up. Sanctions aren't hurting Khomeini. He's good. It's hurting the people. And I firmly believe. And I'm saying this as someone who, I'm going to be honest with you guys, 10 years ago, if you asked me about sanctions, I would have said, yes, targeted sanctions.

Very smart. Sanctions are the reason I firmly believe why this government is in power. If you had opened up Iran, if you had less, let Iran become part of the international community, join the market, be able to come and go, you know, not put these crippling sanctions on people, on companies. Iran, this sort of system of governance, people would have been able to get due away with it a long time ago. Makes total sense. It makes total sense that the explicit, you know, we talk about the

failure of the war on drugs. No, as the wire argued, you know, it's not a failure, it's a total success. the sanctions, it seems to me, the natural aim of sanctions and predictable result is to isolate and destabilize and create pretexts. I want to break this up. For people who are listening, please go and look at the effect that the pistachio market, because one of Iran's biggest exports is pistachios. In 1979, when the U.S. put the U.S. put the U.S. put the U.S. put. sanctions on Iran, all of a sudden California pistachios began flooding the market.

There is a great, great research done on the pistachio wars. Look that up. It's really fascinating. There's a Zionist couple that owns like a huge amount of land in north of Los Angeles, right? And like huge amount of water monopoly and Chapo did an episode on that. It's a crazy story. It's great. And you're saying that this was done. specifically as sort of like economic warfare against the number one export. Interesting. That is... 100% it was. I still remember Stephen Colbert shelling for that, that pistachio company.

Yeah, you know what? Now I actually do remember that when he would do pistachio shit. Oh, that's fun. That's always nice to know when your heroes are actively doing imperialism. I think what is interesting about the subject and also what makes people afraid of it is trying to thread this needle, right? You know, I've seen a lot of leftist, whether they be journalists or pro-Palestine journalists or just, you know, pro-Palestine posters or whatnot, being stuck in this position of going, well, I don't know how to thread the needle of supporting the people of Iran without supporting U.S. intervention. And it comes from a place that I'm still trying to analyze myself. Like I don't like putting down people who are trying to show solidarity with people. But I also, part of me thinks ego is a big issue here,

especially within the American left. And I'm speaking just as an actual, like an American. You guys are Canadian. To me, you're basically like foreigners. But for myself, I think that a lot of American

leftists need to be honest about their position as Americans and leftists, I mean, they need to be honest about what is the real impact that they have and what is just branding. And the amount of people I've seen who are trying to thread this needle, I feel like it's come from just a place of needing to feeling like they need to comment on something

in which they would end up, you know, through their nuance take, essentially offering sort of like an imperial consensus with the rest of the Warhawks. Like, do we really need this? Do we really need this kind of? And for those who don't, for those who don't speak out, there's this wave of, why aren't you speaking out? Someone posted an Instagram video about me, like a series of Instagram stories,

some guy who follows me, and he admitted that he follows me, I don't know, because he likes my dad or something. And he's like, where is Daniel Matei in all this? Interesting. Where are you, Daniel? I'm right here. We're coming to hang you.

I mean, our own community is not doing itself a service either. We have become disgusting bullies in this. I've listened to some asinine takes by Iranians. I mean, you had a woman, I think she's Fox News' weather lady or something. I don't know what she is. Lisa Dufthari is saying that more people have been killed in Iran in three days than in Gaza's three years. Oh, that was on Pierce Morgan, right? What the fuck are you talking about?

How can you say that? What's worse than that is on NPR recently, my wife was telling me this, Francesca Fjantini. I just want to let everyone know she's my wife. Shut up. And she was saying that she was listening to NPR and she heard one of their political roundtable shows. She heard one of the analysts or maybe it was the guests essentially say that the, there is no diplomatic solution with Iran. And doing in the most NPR way, as much as it pains me to say it,

I just don't think there's reasoning with this government or these people. And I just, it's one thing, I think, for the right wing to offer their usual daily dose of imperial slop. It's another for the sort of meek, NPR, liberal capitulation. to it, where you are essentially allowing yourself to be a part of the chorus that says, well, regime change is the only option, even if they say they're against it, you know? I don't think we should abandon. Spread some imperialist paté on your milk toast. But the thing is, I don't think we should abandon Iranian protesters because of all this shit.

See, the problem here is that I think, you know, I recently interviewed Antity Lowenstein, investigative journalist and author of Palestine Laboratory. He called this the mother of all distractions. The only person that's winning when it comes to this sort of narrative about why aren't you speaking out on Iran when you spoke out on is Israel. Israel is the one winning here. And you'll notice that it's a lot of Israeli influencers who are saying this. Oh, let me show you all the encampments happening on crickets, crickets, crickets. I mean, that's the language that's being used.

use. And then you have, you know, higher up sort of by higher ups. Sorry, I shouldn't say that. But people like David Frum from the Atlantic sort of spewing the same bilge, you know, there are all the encampments. Literally, these are all the exact same people who used to tell you all the time, all of your posting and marching does nothing. This is what they would tell you. And now they are all in unison saying, why aren't you posting and marching about Iran? Like, either it does nothing or it does, something. And I'm, of course, in the camp of believing that it does something. It does something when you speak out against imperialism. It does something when you use whatever platform, however small it may be, to go against the grain of the stormtroopers marching. So when these people are

telling you now, after two years of genocide and them ignoring your posting and marching, they're telling you now, why aren't you doing this? It's because they want you to do it, because it does, have an effect and that to me should be caution enough for you to think, well, maybe I have some responsibility in what I say and how I support people's either in Iran or anywhere. But it's really hard. It's hard. Sorry, it's it's really hard to not see the hypocrisy and all this too because a lot of the same people who are saying, why aren't you talking about Iran?

By the way, I talk a lot about Iran. I fucking post about it. I write about it in the Globe and Mail. But still I get these messages from Iranians. You're not a real Iranian. You know, all of this bullshit. I saw one taking you to task for your Arab-sounding name from a guy named Mohammed. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the brain, it's just, you know, we're not doing ourselves a favor, you know, by waving Israeli flags. These are the same people who were quiet as a genocide was going on. So I don't believe them. I don't believe they're genuine. I don't believe they have integrity. I don't believe they give a shit about universal human rights. This is navel gazing.

It's disgusting. And to me, it's breeding a vile form of anti-Arab racism and nationalism. We're Persian. We're not Arab. Right. Motherfucker, there are two million Arab-speaking people in Iran. The south of Iran is Arab. Right.

Okay, and people don't get that. They don't understand the makeup of Iran. They don't understand how multi-ethnic, multilingual, multi-religious the country is. It is not a homogenous or monolithic place at all. But they want to present it that way. And also, who are you doing that for? Like, the only people who would be in any way find that interesting,

like, oh, you know what, that's right. They're not. is people who already are like, well, all Arabs are enemies. So it's like you're trying to placate the people who are just like, I hate all the Arabs. No, no, no, not us. We're actually Persia. It's weird reflex.

Can we look at Mark Levins? Oh. Mark Levine. In that genre. And we have to be clear. It's a video. Producer Adam has made very clear that we have to add the disclaimer. It's pronounced Levine.

Mark Levin. Mark Levin. Is it Levin or Levin? It's Levin. Levin. Adam Levin, Mark Levin. Okay? Just so you know, there is a difference.

This is Persia. The Persian people are Western people. That's what they are. Do you know what? Iran today is a concentration camp. I mean, just this is the guy you're trying to play. Not very concentrated somehow. Yeah, it's weird.

Free range, free range, Iranians. Free range. The size of Western Europe. They're just like crammed in. Yeah. But so, I mean, you know, you talk about these kind of influencers. I mean, Mark Levine is being an influencer is a funny idea.

But, I mean, essentially, what is he doing? Then you have people like Daniel Ryan Spalding. Speaking of someone who knows that a thread a needle or rather plunge it into his belly fat. My favorite historian on Iran. My favorite Iranian historian, Daniel Ryan Spalding. Daniel Ryan Spalding. I haven't seen this yet. Yeah, he, of course, took to his platform, Instagram to talk about this.

There's a revolution happening in Iran the past two weeks. Iran is under occupation by Arab Islamists. Iranians are not Arab. They don't speak Arabic. It's not a look. Muslim country. They see Islam as an occupation. These turban wearers will ruin us. We have no security because of them. The mainstream media doesn't record on it because the mainstream media is controlled by

by socialists. Oh, socialist. And then he goes on about Mamdani after that. Oh, wonderful. With an agenda. Excuse me, I'm sorry. When he said socialists, he showed a picture. of Jimmy Kimmel interviewing Rachel Maddow

for fucking neocon war mongering propagandist Rachel Maddow Comrade Maddow will not be insulted on the podcast. The one who helped rat fuck Bernie. Comrade Kimmel. Comrade Kimmel Report for duty. I love it. The enemies of

people like Daniel Ryan Spalding like when he's trying to picture a leftist and he's just like, I don't know, John Stewart, Jimmy Kimmel. It's very late-night TV brain that I kind of love it. But hold on, hold on, hold on. Iran is not a Muslim country. Then what is it?

Zoroastrian? That's the big thing being pushed. This is the other idiocy is that people don't understand. Zoroastrianism is not something you can convert to. There's only about 200,000 in the world. Okay? They don't let you convert. You have to be born into it.

That has to be your ethnic sort of. You've born with the mark of Zoro. Very good. Iran is the birthplace of Zoroastrianism, which was the first monolithic religion. But the majority of Zoroastrians fled Iran and went to Gujarat in India in the late 6th century. That happened.

Iran is a Muslim culture. We have some of the biggest mosques, most beautiful shrines. Let me ask you to Samara though. No, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. You said they were there in the 6th century. They left. If I went to Iran today and I went to an archaeological dig that was set up expressly to, I know what you're doing.

To cause me to find coins marked 6th century, I am Zoroastrian. Would I find those coins yes or no? Yes? Fuck it. The whole thing is Zoroastrian. That's right. Right of return. You would find the oldest Zoroastrian temple in Yazd.

which is a province in Iran, and it's where most of the Zoroastrians' temples are. So you would find it there, but you would also find some of the oldest synagogues in the Middle East. You would find that... Don't tell me that. You said it. I'm going to take it.

Okay, two-state solution. Two-state solution, Zoroastrian, Jewish, split it down the middle. We'll take 52%. You would find the tomb of... Archaeology is nine-tenths of the law. Esther is buried in Iran.

Esther. Well, Esther and Mordecai. They're both there. We learned from our AI segment recently. Esther prevented genocides by commitment. That's right. Yeah. I mean, we gave you Purim.

We gave you Purim. That's right. You're welcome. Seeing Daniel Ryan Spalding like glom onto this, I hate to be someone who is, you know, uses, like Daniel Ryan Spalding is a weather vein I guess

but it is what I end up doing and I you know I'm trying to clock it and you know not everything has to be looked through the lens of my own personal like geopolitical interests right

you know looking at Iran as a chess piece is not something that I think any any good internationalists would do, right? It's not something that any good, like, humanist would do. It's not a fair way of, I don't know, engaging in the subject. On the other hand, on the other hand.

That being said. Is, are the people I am flocking to and taking marching orders, rhetorical marching orders from, aligned with Daniel Ryan Spalding, is a somewhat helpful heuristic in some ways. It's a shortcut that I think people often put into this category of tankie, right? This category of tankie that exists. I don't even know what that word means. Neither do I. It's a conversation ender.

I thought it meant you were a part of a think tank. It should be. I thought that's what it was. Oh, you're a tankie. Like you're a fellow somewhere. That's a much better definition. Yeah, a group think tank. So what is it?

What is a tank? A tankie is. It's a catch-all term for anyone who is, it's an insult from leftists to other leftists. It's a way of sort of pushing, I mean, it's a way of negative branding for a lot of people. I think it's when someone is in the tank for repressive, would-be socialist communist government. So a hardcore communist who, who, who, who doubles down on Stalinism or Maoism or overlooks the excesses of this dictator or Assad, for instance.

My brother and Blumenthal at the Grey Zone get called tankies all the time. You know, it's anyone who's... So you overlook the crimes of this government. That's right. You glaze the wrong people. You glaze the wrong people in the name of your anti-Western imperialist ideology. That's the implicit accusation. And who levels it at who?

It's leftists against leftists, essentially. And a lot of the times it's, you know, radical liberals against leftists. A lot of times it is, you know, Marxist-Leninists against other Marxist leninists. Trotskyists. It is just a kind of a way of branding someone's anti-imperialism as like dumb, dumb, not nuanced, whatever. And fair enough, I think that does happen. I see it a lot where people reflexively due to their anti-imperial stance will reflexively support regimes that they don't have to. Or assume and a verre without evidence that any accusation of those regimes are doing something

unto it is a conspiracy, as a fabrication, whatever. So do too much in the push. back against... Right. I mean, I've seen that. It happens. I see it on the comments under my post. If I post about...

Right. If I post about the Iranian government killing hundreds of people, killing thousands of people, people will come under it and say, well, a woman was shot in the States. And I'm like, what the fuck does that have to do with what I just wrote?

I would say the impact of tankism in general is mostly just in comment sections. It exists for yelling at journalists who are doing journalism. It's like you are someone who, I think it was Dropsite interviewed someone. It was like someone who was at the protests who said they saw. Ryan Grimm, yeah. Right.

And there was a bunch of people saying like, you know, you are doing the bidding of regime change. Yeah, regime change. You're doing the bidding of Mossad. I don't think that's necessarily fair to do to a journalist when they're doing journalism. However, that being said. people who kind of levy this criticism of tankism, I think often they don't understand why the simplicity of anti-imperialism is actually, I think, a more effective strategy

than the nuanced take that I think a lot of us have. Because we all, I think, are doing a little bit of pretending when we are online and have political opinions on platforms. Like, I think we try to, we all think we stand apart from the imperial sphere because we're critical of it, right? And, you know, we do a podcast that's anti-imperial. We, we read Marx or we read the tweets of someone who has read marks. I don't know about that, Matt.

You might be in the podcast business. You might be in the podcast business. I'm in the empire business. Right. Well, so I'm just saying, I do think that it's like sort of an illicit. a little bit and like our self-perception is different than the reality of what our impact is. Like we're doing an anti-empirate prop like in the Death Star. Inside the Imperial Corps. And the other reason to I think lean anti-imperialist and look askance

at sort of the quickness to dismiss people as tankies is just the Chomsky in principle. wherever you're living, whatever the power structure is there, that's what you're responsible for criticizing the most. That's what you can ostensibly do something about, say something about, you know, especially since the people who will glom onto criticizing and demonizing and demonizing and rabble-rousing

against repressive regimes halfway across the world are our enemies. Here, there are domestic enemies. There are foreign policy. Those are our actual enemies. Iran is not our enemy. Lindsay Graham is our enemy. Yeah, and it's just to finish my thought.

I'm sorry. We can take off the mask, right? Like the helmet, but we're still stormtroopers. You know what I mean? And I think that we, like, if every imperial officer is like, we're going to blow up Alderan. if your take is well i don't agree with that but i do think that the government of alderone really needs to go down like it's hard for that nuanced take to be anything more than another voice in

like the imperial consensus so yeah hands off alderon is a more cogent message right yeah and it may be you know you you can criticize someone for being dumb being too you know uh too pro iran or whatnot. But to me, it's like a lesser, it's a lesser crime than being someone who is going to allow themselves to be used as a mouthpiece for, thank you, ADL. I had the same thought out of. I'm glad you got there. It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be radical to be able to hold two thoughts at the same time. Of course. It shouldn't be radical to be able to say the Iranian government is a brutal government. It oppresses dissidents. It kills and has one of the highest rates of execution in the world. However, let the fucking Iranian people decide for themselves what they want to do with that.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, when you can't have people like Tamir Marag, the diplomatic correspondent of Channel 14 saying, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, we're arming protesters. We're on the ground. I mean, what are you doing? You're providing fodder to an already paranoid government. Yes, yes. And yeah, you're providing consent also in the United States to a government that is, I mean, not that they anymore ask for our consent or need the consent, but like look at Venezuela. Like Venezuela is a perfect example of the culmination of years and years and years of like fear mongering, war mongering. Every type of mongering was happening.

And then sanctions. and then on the right they're talking about oh it's communism socialism all that shit and on the left or liberals mostly were sensibly consenting via like nuanced statements about like oh Maduro's crooked or sold out the revolution or

he is stolen election yada yada yada now we have enough consensus for Trump to be like I'm going there and steal the oil I'm not saying that having an opinion about or something you should self-censor or whatnot but what I'm saying is that you do have responsibility as a stormtrooper. If you're in the United States, you're listening to this

podcast. You like to tweet a lot. You have some political opinions. You have to understand where your impact is. And to me, I look at people who are trying to thread this needle. I sometimes I go like, well, this is why I think tankism for some people is almost more principled. Like it can be wrong, but it can be wrong for the right reasons. And the simplicity of it, I think, is less of a crime than allowing yourself to be someone who, when Maduro is ousted, going like, well, he was no angel. Like, do we need to start with that?

We don't need to start with that. That's, to me, that is... Well, that's what the Democrats did. We don't like how he got taken out. That he got taken out. You know, sometimes blessings come... Sometimes blessings come wrapped in the... legal, belligerent,

catastrophic packaging. Yeah. And, you know, it's not to say that there aren't sectarians, you know, out there who are just always, just always after attacking anybody who's, you know,

a journalist or whatnot, you being attacked Samira for, you know, pointing out facts. That exists. But it also is, the impact of that is nothing compared to the impact of people who are just sort of consenting, they might say they're

against regime change. And they are. I'm sure they are. But a lot of people want it. But a lot of people want it. And the government overtly wants it. Our government wants to blow up Alderan. You just don't want to be a stormtrooper who's like, well, I can see why. It's to me, that's just, that's, I guess, how I feel about it. But I'm stupid. You saw that clip of, of Toronto, there was a hundred thousand people. The police said 110,000 people were there. Wow, in the blowing snow. I mean, I got to give them.

That is not a fun climate to be marching. And I got to, there's conviction there, I got to say. You know, there's no doubt that the overwhelming majority of people in the diaspora. Right. Want this government gone. And they've reached a point. I brought up the 2009 elections. even in Iran, people have reached a point where they are so frustrated.

They are inviting, inviting bombs onto their heads. That's fucked. You know what I mean? And you only do that when you get to a point where you're like, okay, I've tried the ballot box. I've tried the civil disobedience. I've tried whatever. Nothing is working. Okay, bring on the fucking F-16s.

But people right now are losing their minds. And we're in this spiral of fascism, nationalism, racism, like this movement right now that you're seeing in the diaspora, also inside the country, it's very dangerous. Right. Well, I have an idea. Now, Big Pharma, meet me at Camera 3. Get on this.

Okay, we need, diasporas are causing some problems in the world, all right? And it's tough to be a diaspora. You get, you're away from your homeland too long, your strangers in a strange land, you go a little crazy. You get ideas. You dream of returning. and all this. It happens to the best of us, all right?

Look what happened to us, right? I don't want it to happen to anything else. So we need big pharma. We need big pharma to come up with a little pill that'll help cool the temperature of these diaspora. We can call it diaspora. Diasprin, very good. Thin out that hot blood with diaspirin.

I like breaking the word up, like di-aspora. Yes. Samira, just before we take a break, I want to ask, for people who do want to, for the people who do want to support at the very least, even if it's a small cadre, but the liberal or leftist of Iran who are fighting against their oppression, they are fighting against an oppressive government. how does one show that solidarity when in doing so you end up adding to the chorus of voices who want regime change? Like, is there a way to thread that needle? It's difficult because of the setup. And, you know, there are voices out there.

There's a woman specifically, an amazing writer. Her name is Sahar Delijani. She was asked by the New York Times recently to write an op-ed on, the protests in Iran and she very publicly turned down the invitation from the New York Times and said, I don't want to do anything with you. Your coverage of the genocide in Gaza was horrific. And so there are voices out there, but they're not the loudest and they're not violent and aggressive. See, this is, what is happening right now is that there is this huge, silent majority of people. And people are afraid to speak out because, you know, my homeless dogs, my family's been

threatened. I mean, these are real things that are happening to people who aren't myopic right now, who have a 360-degree view of the world, and who understand that foreign intervention will just continue this fucking cycle that Iran has been in for more than a century, you know, of foreign intervention, we're going to do this, we're going to do that. Oh, we found oil. Great. You know, now they're talking about splitting up the country. I mean, I'm not sure if you saw that. op-ed in the Wall Street Journal that said, you know what? This is the title.

The headline was, A Fractured Iran? Not so bad. They sure do love fracturing countries. Dr. Bezos has examined your fracture, and it's fine. Let's just, let's fracture it a little bit more. Let's just keep that thing broken. How great would it be for Israel and America to come in and say,

we liberated you? Now give us that southern region where all that sweet, sweet black, gold is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is, it's, you know. And just because you point that out doesn't mean you're a stooge of the fucking Iranian government, which is what people accuse you of. Right. Exactly. And I think it's, you know, it's, it's true on the other side as well, just pointing out the various repressive methods and the shooting of, uh, of protesters does not mean that you are pro imperialism. That being said, the effect of one versus the effect of the other is the reality we have to live in. That's a very good point.

The reality of being called, you know, a stooge for Iran on a personal level is going to suck, obviously, for, you know, especially going against people with power. The effect on the other side is, I think, it is more dangerous. It just is. Look at Venezuela. For those who are looking for a way to thread that needle and have an intelligent, balanced, reality-based view of it, we'll share in the show notes this N-plus-1 article, which is by Imman Ganji and Bahar Nurizadeh. Really, really excellent stuff. Samira, I just saw in my DMs, you sent me a rabbi-shmuli video. Oh, my God, I found something. Oh, M.G. He's Iranian.

Yeah. He is? Yeah. Oh, no, I'm so sorry. This guy's been doing Ashkenazi cosplay. Should we play this? I haven't even watched you yet. Matt, can I send this to you?

Yeah, yeah, send it to me right now. As an Iranian American. First of all, he's Iranian? Yes. Yes. Yes. This is horrific. Horrific.

Like, this is horrible news for you. Has he been doing white face this entire time? Iskhi face? This is such like I feel I'm really sorry to our Iranian listeners who just found this out this is such a bummer. Look at the comments underneath it are even worse.

Thank you. Thank you so much for supporting us. That's what a real tankie is. Someone who says, thank you, thank you to Rabbi Shmuli. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. United States in the 1960s left Iran in the 1950s.

I want to tell you the pain that I feel for my Iranian brothers and sisters as they are murdered, slaughtered. That video that I posted yesterday, and by the way, it's almost impossible to get videos out because they've turned off the whole internet and people are using Starlink, God bless Elon Musk, who so often comes to the rescue of people who are fighting for freedom. That video that I posted was you just see, the IRGC, the Revolutionary Guard, frickin Nazis of Iran, just indiscriminately firing snipers just into crowds. I mean, they're just blowing people away.

Can you imagine a country doing that to its people? Can I just like... And turning off internet access to boot? How can you... Who else does that? And outlying journalism? It's fucking... Are we...

Sometimes I'm like, how stupid do you think we are? Iron is dead. It's dead. He's sitting here saying, literally every single thing the Israeli government did to the Palestinians and is still doing. And he's just like, I can't believe this. I can't believe it. Such an abomination.

Such an abomination. And the only person who gives one crap is President Trump, who said he's locked and loaded. I want to, and all these people who hate his guts who called him Hitler, you disgusting rabble at Columbia, you disgusting rabble at Harvard, you've called him man Hitler. You, there's crickets in Harvard Yard. There's crickets at Columbia. University. You don't give one crap. There's the messaging. There's the messaging. There's the messaging.

Where the encampments. I mean, it's all, it is so pathetic. Yes. Every single person is now saying the exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah. And under all of these comments is us going, thank you. Thank you, thank you, sir. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, look. I'm sorry. I can't. Rabbi Stouli. No. Very good. That's my new name for it. I'm just saying I have a physical aversion to being on the same side of any issue with Rabbi Shmooly and Daniel Ryan's building.

That ends it. That ends it. It really does. You know, I mean, it is. Hello, tankies of America. I'd like to pay my dues. That's right. We got to take a quick commercial break, but everyone, please stick around because we will be right.

And we're back this badass barrow, the world's most moral podcast. here with Samira Moeddin. How are you doing, Samira? I'm the worst I've ever been. Nice to see you. Doing great. To continue talking about Iran, we got to talk about Lindsay Graham.

This episode's turning out to be bad Shaz Barra. Yeah, oh, there we go. Look at this. I always rely on you for a title, and it works. They're in the valley now, by the way. They're not in Beverly Hills anymore. Shaw's Shaws of Sunset just started. Wait, hold on.

You're saying the Crown Prince is in the Valley? No, no, no, the show. The Shows of Sunset. It's now set in the Valley. Okay, okay, okay, okay. In Beverly Hills. Okay, that's good. Because for a moment, I was just like,

that would be crazy if I had, like, ran into him in West L.A. And I was just like, oh, that was, that's the Crown Prince. So, Lindsay Graham, last Sunday, January 11th, Graham touted a new day coming for the Iranian people. The following day, he touted the, quote, biggest change in the Middle East in a thousand years and the slogan, make Iran great again. Or as I call it, the M word. He went on Hannity, and this is just crazy. wrestling promo that he cut for the war on Iran. You guys got to watch this Lindsey Graham clip.

Here it is. Why are these people in the streets this long? They believe Trump has their back. President Trump said, if they come after you, they got to go through me. If you thought Afghanistan was a debacle, it was. The only thing worse would be to entice people out into the streets against a brutal dictator and pull the plow.

on them to anybody at the White House who thinks that I had told him what on. Hold on. Hold on. Did he just use the verb entice? Is he admitting that we lured them out? I love it. Like rodents? A hundred percent. No, I mean, literally, this is, this is the, he's talking about like, like blue balls, but for blood. The worst thing we could do would be to lift our little schoolgirls skirts and show them some some young some young thigh some leg and not put it out and then

and then I mean let's be honest not get in their van I don't think he's into girls and skirts or I didn't say there was a girl in the school girl skirt that's true that's a good point

but yeah no this is him complaining about like guys we you can't give us blue balls. You're leaving us like throbbing, throbbing for war. Clary, did you see A.Up Lovely's tweet? No. When Lindsay Graham put out a tweet explaining why he was going to Israel

and like this big justification for why I need to be in the Jewish state at this moment. Aup Lovely, the British shit poster, Parexam loss, tweeted, Thank you, Senator. I was confused as to why a politician, widely rumored to be a gay paedophile, would be flying to Israel. Wow. Wow. The interesting thing about that is he also, like, took a picture with, like, Mossad. Oh, yeah, yeah, the head of Mossad.

Just met with my good friend, David Barnaya, director of Mossad. Wow, these people are clever. My God. He's a clever boy. He's a clever boy. He showed me some things I'd never even imagine. I tell you, those geez, they're clever. They'd be watching you while you be doing sex crimes.

You do that really well, Matt. Well, I'm just honestly, I'm impressed with it. He showed me sucking and fucking. He showed me pictures. Licking and picking. Licking and picking. Stroking and foking. Did you know there's a.

kosher and unconsher way to eat ass? Just like, you need to have a rabbi present to bless it. He met with the guy who has the compromise on him. And he just was like, wow, this, this guy's clever. He's a clever guy. He's very clever. Also, I just love just being like, these Jews. They're so clever.

Have you ever seen the head of Mossad named or photographed before? Isn't that kind of like doxing? Talk about overt ops. I mean like, you get me, I get you. I get you back, motherfucker. He's calling up, he's calling up the head of my side. Honey, when are we going to go public? Why do we got to keep it in the closet?

Yeah. All right, here's more of him being mad. Ambition. You're a fool. Donald Trump is not a fool. These people are out in the streets because they believe in Trump. He's the first president since 1979 to pick the people over the Aitela. And the leader of the Democratic Party, you're sick, pal.

Where are the Democrats? You cheer on Hamas who wants to kill the Jews. Now you've got people in Iran like the Crown Prince who want to be our friend. But because it may happen on Trump's watch, you're belittling the movement. These people are dying by the thousand. He loves the movement. He loves the movement. What he says the movement, he's talking.

talking about this big map. He's talking about his bowel movements. Or he's talking about the movements of troops across a map. The movement. Isn't this so awful? You know, to be an Iranian in this moment is just horrific. To have people like Lindsey Graham touting anything you're doing. I mean, people are dying in the streets.

And this guy is sitting here saying everybody's out for Trump. That's fucking bullshit. That's fucking bullshit. And let me tell you, McMahon, you are not. ready for the movement of the Graham maniacs out on the streets of Tehran. The president is is on my side. What we need right now is Iron Sheek. Rest in peace,

I know. I know. And it's funny. So last Friday, on the 16th, Trump told reporters that he had like canceled. 800 executions. Yeah, yeah. Iran had canceled the hanging of 800 people and therefore he's not going to, you know,

launch of military attack, but you still might in the future. And they caught an interview with Lindsey Graham right after, and you've never seen a more sad boy. I just like, he is, he is so bummed. The headlines out there that are, in my view, not accurate, President Trump's resolve. It's not the question. The question is, he's just a bit of a fool. When we do an operation like this, should it be bigger or smaller I'm in the camp of bigger Senator please don't read your

Grindr profile out loud In the camp of bigger Bigger camp Biggiele I love a big camp In the camp of girthier I just want a A really girthy

just uncut war with Iran you know if you're going to do a demonstration then demonstrate something honey I mean it's just watching him be sad out loud you know just be he's so bummed about it and you know we laugh about this now but he is you know

he's working tirelessly for this for an increase for an increased fire So many people are. So, you know, I've been doing this research right now on Christian Zionists who believe that the striking of Iran will bring the rapture. They believe that the Messiah will come back. We laugh, but there are actual people, huge pastors who are pushing for this because they think that this is the end. This is it.

You know, they're fighting the evil Islam and this will bring the Messiah. Won't bring the rapture at this point. Everything is rapture bait. Like anything regimes want to do, they just try to sell it to the Christians as like, you want to hasten the coming of the Messiah? I mean, it's going to be interesting to see.

You want it? It's just like selling them a watch. I don't want this bootleg rapture. Give me the real shit. No, it just, it'll be interesting. I got the three horsemen right here. I'll get you the fourth. I think the real test for a lot of, you know, what's going on in the right in terms of anti-Israel sentiment.

The real test is Iran, you know, I think you saw a lot of, you know, right-wing anti-Israel, anti-Zionists. And I put those in quotes for a lot of them who are out there saying like, you know, I don't want to die in a war for no Jew and stuff like that, which is. like, listen, however you get to the no Iran war with Iran place, I'm like, okay, fine, fine, whatever. But now, you know, you really are seeing this increased imperial presence, not just like, you know, in countries across the globe, but also in the United States with, you know, ice being in occupying Minneapolis right now. And, you know, so seeing Lindsay Graham and sort of the Christian evangelical Zionist movement trying to push for this, the question, you know, still remains, like, how much of that anti-Israel sentiment on the right actually translates

to anything other than tweets, you know? And I don't know the answer to that. It's just, it's an interesting, it's an interesting moment for, for the right where, who knows, who knows which way they're going to go. I do see a lot of right winger's tweeting, talking shit about Lindsey Graham, though. And occasionally the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hey, man, if you got to break out that homophobia for something. Yeah. And to be clear, ours was not homophobia. It was it was him being a pedophile, just to be absolutely clear. Very different things. Very different things. Very different things. This is nothing to do with anything other than he's allegedly. I was mincing vegetables the other night.

Yeah, exactly. I would never mince words. So before we get out of here, we have one more thing to talk about. We got to talk about Jesse Brown. One more time. I'm sorry, but you're Canadian. You're a clown, Jesse Brown.

Yeah. Yeah. We got to talk about Jesse Brown. Jesse is a friend. I wish I had. I wish I had Jesse's balls, man. Like this guy. Yeah.

That song, by the way, that song, by the way, has such a great, one of the great lyrical lines in pop music. Which one? Makes me something, something. When they start acting cute, I want to tell her that I love her, but the point is probably moot. Moot. Who uses that? It was so unbelievable.

You're like, Rick Springfield said moot. Is that a Rick Springfield song? Is that who does that? That is Rick Frile Spring, who is Australian. I only know it. I just know the song. I don't know anything else about it. It's like that and that,

it's like. He used to be on General Hospital too. Oh yeah? Look at that. And he's watching her with those eyes. And he's loving her with that body. I just know it, know it. I mean, just bites into that.

It's a musical theater song almost. Like it's so, it's such a great character moment. Anyway. He hits that I just know it with such a, an in-cell tone that I'm yeah that song is she really going out with him by Joe Jackson there's a lot of good in-sell numbers

from around that era I like I like Sister Christian that song I don't know if this but I feel like it's in the same vein what's the Christian all your time has come what's the motor cage

what's the motoring oh motoring what's your price for flight I don't see I Prize for flight. At that point, I don't know the plane ticket. I think it's about not losing your virginity or something.

Anyways, Jesse Brown is, just wrote a piece for Newsweek. He's moving on up in the world. Yes, and we want to read some of it right now to all of you. Daniel, please do the honors.

The next massacre of Jews is likely to occur in Canada. opinion. Jesus Christ. What a start. I got to say, he knows how to write a headline. It's catchy. Yeah, I knows if he wrote it. But I mean, you know that, you know that expression?

Like worrying is like praying for what you don't want. Interesting. Writing a Newsweek article is like writing a Newsweek op-ed predicting that a massager is going to coming is like getting down on your hands and knees and begging for the thing you say you don't want. And they're going to be killed in a bunch of Jesus. No, he wants that.

No, he was. Listen, Jesse has been tweeting this exact headline for a year. You want to tell my listeners, I'm a journalist, but the point is probably moot. He just has been talking about this massacre that's coming. It's like the rapture. It is. It's just coming. It's coming. He's, you know, he's been waiting for it. He's been pointing to all of this stuff. And I have to say this, that there have been so many. I'm not sure if you know about there. There have been fire bombings at schools. There were shootings at 4 in the morning at a girl's Jewish day school here. However, the two people who have been caught for burning a synagogue and for breaking the windows of another.

synagogue, both Jewish. Oh, no. But where's the lie in his headline? Yeah, exactly. Just the headline doesn't specify who's going to do it. But yeah, no, I mean, it is something

that has been his beat and he's gotten so much criticism for it and the fact that he has continued on, it's almost like he's doing it. It's like the negative reinforcement has only convinced him that he is more right about it.

And also just like is likely to occur. You know what? Let's read it. Let's just read it. Okay. A disturbing pattern is emerging when it comes to violent acts of Jew hatred around the world. Oh, that word. Yeah.

Jew hatred. Yeah. Yeah. It's new. Wow. A few days after the Hanukkah massacre at Bondi Beach and a few months after the Om Kippur synagogue attack in Manchester, Canadian police announced that three,

Three armed men had been, quote, targeting women and members of the Jewish community on the streets of Toronto. One of the men was charging with conspiring with ISIS to commit murder as the Bondi Beach killers had done. What do you know about this case, Samara? So that's absolute bullshit. Oh, wow, really? That case, the way he's framing it, three armed men. Stop talking over Jews. Stop talking over Jews, Samar.

That this, these three armed men were, it's true that they were kidnapping women because they were part of a, um, trafficking ring has nothing to do with the targeting of the Jewish community at all. At all. It just so happens that some of those women were Jewish. You know, sometimes right now, I'm like, if I get into a car accident and the person is Jewish, I always wonder, oh my God, like, am I going to be called anti-Semitic for that? So I hate to interrupt this with something else, but did you guys hear about this case in Australia?

Oh, yeah, this is too good. This is too good. In Australia, a woman was arrested for doing an anti-Semitic threat. The butt dial, yeah. It was the butt dial. I just, I got to play it because I was so, like, blown away. Tornuri charged with harassing Maddie Sacker, a nutritionist of Jewish faith, she'd never met but seen on TV and social media.

The alleged offending contained in a voicemail one week after the Bondi massacre. All of the circumstances of this case, point in one direction. It is an accidental call. Serena's lawyer, noting his client who works at Bunnings, has a severe intellectual and cognitive disability supported by the NDIS.

She's not anti-Semitic. She doesn't even understand the conflict. I'm sorry, but this lawyer... He almost said she's not smart enough to be anti-Semitic. He's kind of saying that. She does not meet the Australian government's IQ quotient for hating Jews Takes a certain amount of worldliness

to despise the Jewish faith Oh God, it's so Like, you know, you already have a case without this Here's the case. It's alleged Serena sent a text to Mandy writing, hey, how are you? Is this Mandy? I saw somewhere that you helped Katie from married at first side with her nutrition.

I was wondering if you could help me as well, Serena. Around five hours later, a call from Serena's number went to Mandy's voicemail. No voices were heard on the recording, but Mandy claims she heard sounds she believed were gunshots, causing her immediate fear and nervousness. It could be a bed creaking. It could be someone snoring. The 26-year-old who... I fucking love Australians.

It could be anything. My dad used to fart and say, oh, it was the bed. Oh, someone farts. No, that wasn't me. That was an anti-Semitic threat. It could be a koala snapping a kangaroo's pouch as a prink. Yeah. Just incredible, incredible to be charged for anti-Semitism for a butt dial.

But that is sort of the... This is where we are. That's where we are. It's a world that Jesse Brown is currently helping foster. But let's continue. you. Oh, next page. There we go.

This incident was not an outlier. Since October 7th, 2020, so I'm just trying to square. This incident was not an outlier with what Samar explained to us, which is that also this incident was not an incident. Since October 7th, 2023, there have been seven extremist murder plots against Jews by Canadian residents. The common thread between Britain, Australia, and Canada is England. No, is that in all three nations,

virulent anti-Zionist rhetoric that demonizes anyone connected to Israel has not only become normal, but it has become popular. Popular. Popular. She's so popular. Games without frontiers.

Nice pull. Meanwhile, concern for Jews has become decidedly unfashionable, even for the police. Oh, my God. Welcome to the What's Hot, What's Not. Yeah. Toronto PD calendar.

What's not? Caring about Jews. Right. The most disturbing aspect of the sexual assaults in Toronto, hold on. Wait, what? How did we get there? How did we get there? What did I miss?

I thought they were arrested for conspiring or planning. Oh, oh, okay. No sexual assaults. The most disturbing aspect of the sexual assaults in Toronto is that authorities made their first arrest in the case four months before alerting the public. Wait a second. So this was, they're talking about the, the three armed men. Okay.

So that, the attempts to kidnap. Where did the sexual assaults? I don't know. He just, I like that. That's a fun part of the playbook is just adding sexual assault whenever you want. How many, how many likes it? Four months before. alerting the public. The Jewish community had no idea that armed hate-motivated extremists

were roaming the suburbs of Toronto in a luxury SUV, allegedly sexually assaulting women and attempting to kidnap and murder them. Got it, got it, got it. Okay. And the police did that because they hate Jews. That's right. Yes. This is but one example of how authorities have failed the Jewish community in Canada and left us vulnerable to hatred and harm. Toronto police have apologized to the Jewish community twice, once for delivering rights. refreshments to anti-Zionist protesters occupying an overpass. I can't believe he brought this up. Oh my God, this is such bullshit.

I have to give you context about this. Okay, so there was a, there's a bridge where people were protesting Israel's genocide. The police were not allowing anyone to cross a certain area. And so one of these protesters had gone to get some Tim Hortons and one of those big containers. and he wasn't able to give it to the protesters. And so the cop took it and gave it to them. Huh. So he...

What's the fucking problem? Well, I mean, I see clearly what the problem is. That's essentially giving a donation to Hamas. Of course. Coffee for Hamas. Obviously. It's just like, don't wait me... Don't bother me until I've had my intifada mug.

You know? Do you know how many Israeli soldiers have sustained life-threatening injuries from little Palestinian children throwing timbits at them? That's right. It's violence. Occupying an overpass in what the protesters called a Zionist infested area. He loves throwing in like little nasty quote, that nasty sounding quotes from protesters to make it sound like.

Like every protester there is a Nazi doing like Nazi tropes about like Jewish. infestations or whatnot. It's his way of tying this into some sort of dark, Nazi-like, you know, future that we're going to be living in. That's true. It's a smear.

And speaking about people as if they are rodents and bugs and roaches and infestations is very much. What does that sound like? Very much something Jesse would never support or uncover for. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, never, never. Not that he knows much about the, you know, not that he, you know, he doesn't know much about the conflict.

He's not taking a side. All he knows is he's trying to stoke, I mean, prevent the next massacre. Stoke, I mean stop. Yeah, yeah. And again, for releasing a podcast, this is what the Toronto police have done, releasing a podcast in which two Muslim police officers spoke approvingly of how October 7th inspired many reverts to Islam. Like, I spoke approvingly.

Again, that's bullshit. Well, I am interested to know about both of these stories because the context so far is he's just using this as evidence of, well, the police obviously have something to be sorry for. They have done two acts of anti-Semitism in which they had to apologize for. But both of these things are the most ridiculous things I have heard for them to apologize for. Also, excuse me, how often do large metropolitan police,

police departments apologize to entire communities. I mean, I don't know how it works in Canada. Never. You don't, that's not a thing. And it's funny at being, most communities don't expect it. Yeah, in Newsweek, you know, as an American and with American readership, I think they just expect this to go like, well, it does sound like, I mean, it is Canada. They do apologize a lot. Maybe the police are saying sorry. Sorry, sorry about stuff.

Only twice in three years? That's very un-Canadian. It's very low for us. It's anti-Semitic not to apologize to Jews once a week. At least once a year. Yes. Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney's sole policy initiative so far has been to propose new anti-hate legislation

despite the fact that current hate speech laws remain largely unenforced even when violations happen in plain sight. Canada had a, quote, federal envoy for combating anti-Semitism, but she resigned last summer, citing day. frustration and literal, quote, despair. Her role has yet to be filled. She resigned because she didn't fucking do anything. All she did in Canada was shill for Israel.

She was embarrassing. She has a picture of her hosting Canadian IDF soldiers at a pizza party. I mean, this woman did nothing. She did nothing. That's why she resigned. Well, and she felt despair because sometimes doing nothing makes you feel spare. Statistics confirm the extent of the crisis. I'm sure they do

as read by you. Statistics confirm what I believe. Yes. Reliably, as they always do. Though Jews comprise less than one percent of Canada's population, we are the one percent. I'm not sure if you are. We are now the number one target of police reported

hate crimes targeting religion. So we call the cops more than anyone. What does that mean? I mean So, sorry, I interject here again, this number that is being used, I'm surprised he doesn't include the number. I haven't read this bill yet, but if he does include the number, that number is a number that B'nai Bredith has put out into the world, B'nai B'A Brith Canada. It has no bearing in anything. They are the official police of the Jewish community, so there's police reported.

And they've included such things as Free Palestine. If you see Free Palestine written anywhere, you could call in to their number and say, say, I just saw anti-Semitism. And they will include that as part of their, the numbers. So this is all. And this is, this is something we've seen, you know, in the United States as well with the ADL's metric for, you know, quantifying anti-Semitism, which was used very specifically for reporting students and, you know, faculty as anti-Semites.

and it was the vast, vast, vast majority was anti-Israel speech or, you know, slogans like Free Palestine and, you know, not anti-Semitism the way that it is commonly thought of. And his sentence here is he says specifically, hate crimes targeting religion. These weasily little would-be synonyms that he slips in. It's so sloppy. A comparison of Statistics Canada data against. FBI, unless Zionism is your religion, I guess, which in his case it is. A comparison of statistics Canada data, I mean, he's not an observant Zionist, but, you know, deep down, against FBI data

shows that a Jew in Canada is significantly more likely to be the target of a police reported hate crime than a Jew in America. Now, speaking of statistics, a good friend of mine is an academic at a major Canadian university, and he gave a listen to Jesse's, what's it called, podcast series, what is happening here? Did you forget the word podcast? Yeah, it did.

I wiped it out. Yeah, what are we doing here? What are we doing? And he pointed out to me, and he read this Newsweek piece, he said, Jesse's doubling down on the most specious part of his podcast series, which is his reliance on these stats,

his interpretation of the stat that talks about, you know, the extreme rise of anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada. Even when he interviews the statistician, I forget the guy's name, the guy says, yeah, you know, 94% of Canadians have zero animus

towards Jews expressed. Like, the actual numbers show the opposite of what Jesse's saying. And then Jesse's like, yeah, but these incidents. What about that? Yeah. And it's, you know, like to me, this game of quantifying it, it's why, you know, the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is being pushed so hard to, you know,

to be adopted by, you know, not just like universities, but like by police, by federal and local governments. It's because then you really. We adopted it. We adopted it here in Canada. Yeah. And you can, you can. you can tell, based on...

We adopted it. Like, hey, hey, hey, Ira! Yeah. That's so cute. Baby Ira. Meet my baby, Ira. I'm not your real father, Ira.

Your real father is Israel. But like, it's, you know, it's for this very reason. It's so that you can quantify hate speech and also criminalize speech

in general. But in this case, it's so he can, it's so, Jesse Brown can use it to write an article about how. And I love how now he's trying to take it. Now he's trying to take it to American audiences. Like he's done everything he can in Canada with his little podcast series.

And now he's trying to get, you know, Zionists abroad to take an interest in the plight of Jews. Maybe, you know, Iran style. You can get Lindsey Graham to support some kind of, you know, uprising of Canadian Jews for their freedom in Canada. I want to point out that he wrote Neighbors with No You. I mean, that is just unbelievable. Well, that's Newsweek. I mean, that's his editor.

That's his editor. I mean, I don't know. It's true. There is no such thing as a Jewish neighborhood OR in Canada, literally. There are neighbor. Neighbors. Interesting.

I like that. That's a little bit of like, there's a little colonialism there. The weak responses from Canadian leaders to anti-Semitism stand in stark contrast to their forceful condemnations of Canada. Carney has even promised to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, should he ever set foot on Canadian soil?

The protesters are emboldened by these high-level validations and have shifted their targets. Yeah. Samira holds up a little bumper sticker of Netanyahu saying terrorist, exactly. Yeah. These protesters are emboldened by these high-level validations and have shifted their targets from elected officials to their Jewish neighbors.

I mean, at this point, at this point, if you are, Samara is now hanging yourself with their headphone court, at this point, if you are going to look at,

you know, Mark Carney promising to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu, if you're looking at that as like, oh, this is only emboldening, you know, the anti-Semites and whatnot, then I, I do not believe anything you have ever said about being pro-Palestine or about being,

you know, somehow non-involved or whatnot or objective. Like, I'm sorry, but that, it may not be the norm in America, but that should be the norm in any Western country. And there is no argument. There is no argument for being against arresting Benjamin Netanyahu as a war criminal. he has the warrants out for him. Like, you can, you can still keep your liberal Zionist cred and believe this. You know what I mean?

I want to point something out here about this Jewish neighbors and go marching into Jewish neighborhoods. So every Sunday, because I live in this city, every Sunday at the corner of Bathurst and Shepherd, which is where predominantly, predominantly Jewish community, Zionists will come out and they wave Israeli flags and they play, you know, music and they chant for Netanyahu and stuff. People who are anti-Zionists now have come out and they will stand across the street with their Palestinian flags. It's like this, you know, tit for tat, okay? So this is what he's referring to when he says, now they're marching in Jewish neighborhoods. Last week, Jesse Brown put out a tweet of a video of people marching in these Jewish neighborhoods.

And you heard the doctor, a man in the video say, hey, I'm the head of cardiac surgery at Sunnybrook Hospital, which is a hospital here in Toronto. Jewish doctor says to one of the protesters, why don't you try coming there and see what sort of service you get? Wow. And, you know, I wrote under it. I wrote under to Jesse, I guess you didn't hear that part where he threatened to not live up to his Hippocratic oath as an author. I mean, what the fuck? You know, the way this is being framed is such bullshit. Yeah.

But people in Newsweek have no idea. Well, and the phrase marching into is just becoming one of these mindless tropes. AOC used it with regard to the anti-land sale. protest outside a yeshiva you know that's right oh hey so it's not cool to march into a jr didn't march in they probably took the subway in stood there and uh and they're planted protesting and yes yeah it's it's using it's using march in order to give you the image of it's giving it's giving skokie yes yes it's giving crystal knocked like that's what it's giving and it's just it's so disingenuous and you know uh so crowds of anti-protesters have taken to marching into Jewish neighborhoods under the watchful

eye of police officers instructed to practice de-escalation rather than what Jesse would like, which is escalation, whether than make arrests or redirect masks and aggressive extremists as they demand that Canadian Jews, quote, go back to Europe. Okay, he's grabbing, he's cherry-picking a quote from his podcast. Again. There have been some noxious characters at these protests. I remember there was one thing he reported on that he was saying that a particular corner, I don't know, it was Blur and Spadina or something like that, I forget which one, there were like, you know, extremists shouting about Jews and this and that. And it was pointed out to him that like there are wakadoodle Christian anti-Semites who stand on

that corner and preach have been for years all the time. And he was young and Dundas, yeah. Young and Dundas, exactly. And he was young, strong. America, Canada's or North America's longest street, right? Young and Dundas? Dundas. Young Street and Dundas.

Young and Dundas full of gum. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Anyway. And Jesse made it sound as if these people were part of this new crop of anti-Zionist, pro-Palestine protest. And when it was pointed out to him, by his guest that that's not what was being said,

he doubled down on it and he wouldn't issue a correction. Anyway, that's just how honest he is. In the immediate aftermath of the Bondi massacre, an intelligence report from Canada's integrated threat assessment center leaked to the press. Sounds legit. I've never heard of that. Yeah.

I think it's in someone's basement. I gotta write that down. TAC. Oh, ITAC. ITAC. C-I-TAC. Yeah, just go ahead. warning that Canada faces the same anti-Jewish extremism as Australia

and that, quote, the Jewish community in Canada could be targeted by a violent extremist actor or actors. It could. A violent extremist actor, what, Mark Ruffalo? It's Javier Bardem. Javier Bardem. How much have you ever lost in a coin toss? man yeah this is yeah this is him trying to do he's trying to steal valor from bondi and it's like

this weird thing where it's just like oh we're next guys is such a just a a strange and inappropriate way to frame this talking about anti-semitism especially since i am someone who uh cares whether or not anti-Semitism spreads. I care about that. I don't want it to spread. And all of this shit to me is, it just adds to my worries about the

continuing spreading of anti-Semitism. Because what happens from this? What is this a call for? It's a call for criminalizing all of these people. It's a call for considering students who say free Palestine as, you know, doing hate speech.

Yeah. It's a call for increasing the centrality of Jewish insecurities in the repression and authoritarian crackdown on free speech, what do you think is going to increase anti-Semitism more than that? We don't do this podcast to decrease anti-Semitism,

but we sure like it when we hear from people that listening to us and our guests has kept people from going over the conspiratorial edge. And I, you know, like I don't judge someone who might be tempted, after three years of this shit or 80 years of this shit to associate what Israel does with the Jewish people because Israel insists on that

and people like Jesse insist on it too. Yeah. You know, we're trying to do something else. Jesse says it was a bizarre warning considering the threats that had already taken place. Well, it was a bizarre warning, but he doesn't mean that. Two Ottawa teenagers face terrorism and explosives charges for plotting to kill a large crowd of Jews

who assembled together at the nation's capital in the fall of 2023. Do you know anything about this, Samira? No. Okay. A father and son, Ahmed and Mustafa Eldidi, were arrested in... The fall of 2023. Yeah.

We're arrested in 2024 in a hotel room where they were found shooting a video while wielding a machete and an axe. Okay, so they were doing a WWE promo. Cutting a promo. And in the advanced stages of plotting a serious violent attack, according to federal law enforcement, A member of parliament later confirmed that the LDDIs were plotting to murder Jews.

Ooh, a member of parliament confirmed it. A 20-year-old student named Mohamed Shazab Khan was arrested in Quebec, also in 2024. He was driving to New York where he planned, quote, to use automatic weapons to kill as many members of our Jewish community as possible, according to U.S. eternity, J. Clayton. Okay. I don't know anything about those cases. I'm not going to dispute them. No, yeah. You don't need to dispute them.

in order to see very clearly sort of what he is utilizing them for. Whether or not you believe it is a synagogue being, you know, firebombed by a Nazi or a pro-Palestine, you know, like the realities of it are the utilization of it for this one very specific purpose, which is to generate more and more fear within the Jewish community and to start criminalizing all this shit. That's what this is. That's what this is for. And the fact that he calls it bizarre, like, it was a bizarre warning considering the threats that had already taken place. So in what way is a bizarre? Are you mad that you got the warning? Like, yeah, no shit, you know, eye tag. No shit idiot. Like, a little too late. Too little too late. And it's just like, there's no winning then. There's no winning. Literally, I don't know this fucking I tack thing. And you're already mad at it.

I'm sorry. Go ahead. In Canada, the anti-Zionist movement is not constrained to downtown marches or college encampments. It targets Jews where we live, where we worship, and where we send our kids. An Orthodox father in Montreal was beaten in front of his kids. A Jewish grandmother was stabbed in an Ottawa supermarket by a man later discovered to have a virulately anti-Semitic online presence. Synagogues are routinely vandalized. One was hit 10 times. A Jewish deli was burned down and a Jewish girl's school was shot at three times.

Recently, someone tore Mizuzza prayer scrolls off every doorframe in a building housing elderly Jewish residents, including Holocaust survivors. Oh, Samara, you're shaking your head. Samara, what's that head shake about? No, no, no, because this is a building, okay, that is, it was predominantly Jewish people live there, elderly people. They've had It is cameras Like up the wazoos For the to check on the Mazzuzas

Nothing Up the Wazuzas Sorry Again that same synagogue That's been hit 10 times Yeah There are cameras everywhere Why aren't they catching these people

Like I don't get it Somebody walked around And took off Mizzuzas On every single floor Who the fuck did that? Spider-Man? Right. Right. It's just an anti-Semitic web that just pulls it down.

A hand reaches down from the ceiling. I mean, that's, you know, people, I think often, you know, I look at these things and I also do the same thing. I question, I'm like, okay, well, you know, what am I going to see video of this happening? And I'm willing to believe that these things happen. It's like if even if everything was just some sort of like Zionist false flag, I don't like ascribing that to events that happened because it doesn't matter to me whether or not this event happened. What matters to me is that you are solely focused on the Jewish community to a degree where you are allowing the Jewish community to continue supporting genesis. policies, you continue not critiquing. He never does that.

He never does that. He will never do that. He has never critiqued any of that. And at the same time, Jesse doesn't mention that while all of these incidents occur, where nobody's actually hurt, nothing actually has happened. I mean, there was the grandmother who was shopping in the kosher section and this crazy man stabbed her. We still don't know if he stabbed her because she.

she was in the kosher section of the grocery store. I mean, that, you know, of course, Sijja jumped on it. But the fact is... Was he an anti-Zionist or was he just an anti-Semitic cuck? Who knows? Who knows? But the point is that while he's saying all of these things, you know, Muslims are being driven over, families are being killed, people are being shot up in mosques. A man who was a Muslim identifying man was beat the shit out of by this Nazi who said, you know,

you're Muslim, you come into this country, blah, blah, blah. The level of vitriol and anti-immigrant sentiment in Canada is out of control right now. And these Zionist organizations are feeding into it. They're talking about the Muslim population growth in Canada, how it's out of control, that they breed like rabbits. I mean, it's disgusting the language that's being used by these groups. And that's okay to Jesse. Well, not only is it okay to Jesse, but it's like he, at this point has decided to make it his brand or his business to say,

Oh, it's good for business. Some of you liberals need to hear this. And I'm sorry that I have to say this. And I have to be the one who says it. But when the right talks about the existential threat that Islam poses to the West, they're kind of right. That is his line on this. It's like we have to be, we have to be honest with ourselves.

about the amount of anti-Semitism we are importing to our country. And I'm like, wow, this all sounds very familiar. This all sounds like, well, they're- I don't understand why people can't put that together in their brains. I really don't. He knows what he's, he knows what he's doing. He knows what he's saying. He knows what it sounds like.

And he's almost sorry about it. But the truth of it is that he is still a willing participant in all of this. And I see this in the United States too all the time. And to me, what Canada actually needs is to have a Donald Trump just to put things into perspective. We came very close. No, I know. I know. But what I mean by that is like I saw the exact same talking points about the United States and the increase in anti-Semitism.

And Jesse often ignores that. He goes, no, no, no, no, no. You know, the real increase is, you know, really happening in Canada. It's so much worse than the United States. A bunch of Jesse Brown-ass people in the United States were talking exactly this way. And now what do you see? What you see is using Somali Muslims as a pretext to go and occupy Minneapolis.

Where does the power actually lie? It does not lie. It doesn't lie with the fucking immigrant community. It lies with the federal government who is very, very willing to invent a pretext. you know, either, I mean, it's on behalf of their own racist immigration policy. So what you're going to see, Jesse Brown, is hopefully not, I hope not, but what you're going to see is what it really looks like when groups of people are being targeted by, you know, the federal government.

I don't know, guys, look, the day I believe you that Jews aren't facing structural, inequality and dehumanization and marginalization from the Canadian law enforcement is the day that I see a Montreal cop deliver a bag of San Vieter bagels to Zionists calling for death to Arabs or selling illegal land parcels in the West Bank. Let's finish this goddamn op-ed

because it ends with such a bang. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or it ends with a... The whimper. It ends with gunshots on a butt dial. Yeah, it ends with a whimper, as does all of Jesse's whining. Canada prides itself on its diversity and tolerance. So how did this situation come to be?

Theoryes abound. I specialize in them. I see a plug coming. Oh, my God, he said D-E-I! No. Some blame the rise of DEI training within policing. I blame the rise of PEI training

within policing, which has to do with Prince Edward Island. Some blame the woke ideology of former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Some blame his new girlfriend, Katie Perry. Some blame the rapid influx of Muslim immigrants. Canada's Muslim population

has almost tripled over a 20-year period. There's the Zog whistle right there. Wow. And here's the plug. Isn't that an incredible paragraph. Theory is abound. Lots of people are saying.

Yeah. Some people. It's a Trump ass. It's a Trump ass free associative paragraph. Yes. And also, when he says some... Thank you for your attention to this matter. Yeah.

It's some blame. You blame. That's right. After months of investigating this crisis for a new podcast series, hyperlinked, what is happening here? I can offer this point of understanding. He's going to boil it down, folks. He's going to synthesize it.

Nearly every demand that anti-Zionist protesters have made of the Canadian government has been met. I can think of a couple that haven't. Canada has recognized the Palestinian state, denounce the Israeli government, cut arms exports to Israel, and seen Palestinian flags flown at city halls nationwide. Okay, let's think of some demands of anti-Zionist protesters have made of the Canadian government that have not been met, shall we? No, those are the only ones. Those are the only ones that I'm sure you had.

You know, that's why most of the chance are from the river to the sea, Palestine, well, we have three demands. Number one, recognize the state. Number two, denounce Israeli. It's a long chant, but that whole Palestine will be free part is, of course, is not even in there, really. They got everything they wanted those They got everything

Now in terms of cutting arms exports to Israel I would love to know Okay yeah that's what I would love to know whether or not It's a lie or not That's that's a lie As in like reduced by a certain increment No way Had they reduced it though

No they're using a US loophole So what they're doing is they're sending it to the United States And the United States is sending it there What the fuck? Okay okay Samira but I'll tell you this but that's fine, but I'll tell you this in defense of our great nation,

you self-hating Canadian, okay? Prime Minister Mark Carney has been named by Trump to sit on the Gaza Board of Directors, right? The international conglomerate that's going to govern

the vice royal, right? And guess what he said? He said, uh-uh, not going to do it, wouldn't be prudent at this juncture, not until there's more transparency until it's more humanitarian aid gets to the Palatine.

We need the, that aid flowing before we take over and become the, you know, the, the, the, 51st state. Exactly. Before Mark Carney is installed as the head fucking blackjack dealer at the Gaza Casino. Don't forget. It was also Carney who said, we want to see a Zionist Palestinian state. No way.

He said it twice. The second time was the Christian Amunpur. What more do these anti-Zionist protesters want? Yeah, that's crazy. We want to see a scientist Palestinian state. It's just Israel. You just say it like, that's crazy. All right.

We want a Palestinian state in which the history books teach that from 1948 until the establishment of the state was the golden era of Palestinian life. That's right. That's right. It was the good old days. So, having laid out that all three of anti-Zazis, Zionist protesters. Outrageous demands have been met.

Wokeness. Wokeness. Dei. Immigration. Okay. And the demands, recognized Palestinian state, denounce Israeli government, cut arms exports to Israel, and Palestine flags floundered city halls. Okay, so the demands have been met.

All right. All right. All those have been met. And the harm towards Canada's Jews just gets worse. So here is my conclusion. He's going to put on his conclusion cap here. You ready for the closure of the syllogism? Right.

Theory is about. And so do conclusions. Here's my conclusion. It's not worse here despite anti-Zionist protesters getting what they demanded. It's worse here because of it. Oh, brilliant. Brilliant. I love it.

I love it. And that is how he ends it. Brilliant. This is what I deduce. I'm surprised I haven't said. There's no deduce in that. You know what's brilliant about? I ascertain.

That kid's in the whole skit, but the guy can't stop using the word ascertain. Assertain, yeah. No, like, what I love about him, his conclusion there is, like, what I have ascertained through my research into crime statistics of hate crimes against Jews is that it's worse because of anti-Zionists. And it's like, okay, at this point, if you have done enough research to ascertain, some things, perhaps you could do enough research to ascertain why those stats are the way they are

and maybe stop using them to scare yourself into a frenzy. And, you know, I hate to be dismissive of someone's mental health crisis, but like at some point, you have to look in the goddamn mirror and ask myself, why am I the only person? Why are people? Why are people? so convinced why are my peers why are my other you know journalists peers my my employees my employees my employees all leaving yes my friends and if you truly are going to sit there and look at yourself and say it's them it's not me then I can't I don't then I can't help you I don't know I don't know what to tell you Jesse Brown is in his ors and well he well's years I said that but but but not

Because he looked like, Jesse. Because we saw a clip of him, and I was like, wow, he's really, he's really leaning into the Orson Welles thing. But you mean something else. That's what it reminds me of. You know, it's this sort of, he has serious delusions of grandeur. Yes. And really doesn't care about what is going on. It's just navel gazing, navel gazing.

And it's really good for business. I mean, in one of the speeches he gave in a synagogue last year, he brought me up as like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, I, the, the, I. I thought you meant he like brought you up like to do it. No, no, no. Come up to the pulpit. All right. This next person we got to this stage, hey, Jews. He brought up all of us in his speech.

All female journalists of color. Right, right. As like, you know, this is, if you were going down the slippery slope of anti-Semitism. It's disgusting. It really is. Well, he needs to quit Canada land, start his own nightly show called

assortainment tonight. Yeah. He can do that with Ben Malroney. He talk and ascertainment tonight. And, you know, he can still stay in his Orson-Well's face and just have the sponsor be Paul Massan champagne. Do it, Matt. Do it. Do it.

The French champagne has always been celebrated for its excellence. There's a California champagne by Paul Masson, inspired by that French. save Reg Excellence. It's fermented in the bottle like the best champagne pulmos on is vintage dated.

Sorry, this is an outtake of a commercial he did when he was too drunk. But Jesse Brown, you know, you could probably figure some stuff out with your mind. And you know what? I wouldn't be totally against.

You know, never mind. I don't think you would do this podcast. We should I think you just gave Jesse Brown an idea. Don't... We should challenge him to a charity hockey game. Yeah. Okay.

Between the Baddus Barra podcast and its listeners and its crew and the Canada Lamaim one. And we can do it with our shirts off and we can call it brown shirts against skins. Oh, yeah. Brown shirts against thin skins. I like that. But anyways, thank you to Jesse Brown. for always being around to talk about on this podcast. And thank you,

thank you to Samira Maiden for coming on and talking with us. Where can people find? Oh, yeah. I had a great. Patreon, patreon.com slash on the line media. Also on the line media on YouTube. Yes. And you can catch some of my columns in the Globe and Mail.

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