Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 180: Post-It Clarity, with Katie Halper

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by Katie Halper, host of the Katie Halper Show and Useful Idiots to spike the football on Robert Kraft’s anti-anti-semitism ad, codify the hasbarist taxonomy, and work to out some accurate and respectful Bad Bunny impressions.Please donate to https://www.mecaforpeace.org/The Katie Halper Show: https://www.youtube.com/@TheKatieHalperShowUseful Idiots: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/podcastKatie Halper IG: https://www.instagram.com/kthalps/?hl=enKatie Halper Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thekatiehalpershowNew Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Daniel, what is the spin? KS. El Spin. Today, I wanted to honor the bass player of one of the great American rock bands, I think, ever. Television. Fred Smith died. Do you know this group, Matt? I don't. This album, Marquis Moon, from like 75, I think.

Yeah. There is no New York art punk scene without this. album. Tom Verlaine, Richard Hell are the two guitar players. This is one of the greatest, this is a perfect 10 album. Really? A classic, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll check it out. Fred Smith just died in his 70s. Incredible, incredible group. And then to go with that, other groups or songs or albums having to do with television, talking heads of a song called Television Man on their late career album, Little Creatures. Yes, yes, that's right. You know, do you also know that the band radio? Radiohead is named after a Talking Head song.

I did not know that, but that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Which one? Is there a song about Radiohead? Yeah. That makes sense. That makes the most sense. I should have guessed that.

The true stories of them. I thought I was watching The Revolution when I saw Bad Bunny's halftime show, but it turns out I was wrong because the Revolution will not be televised. Oh, shit. Gil Scott Harron. Harron. Love that guy's great. My favorite is I discovered the poem, Whitey on the Moon from watching.

I think it was a, it was like a Neil Armstrong biopic or something like that called like First Man. And I saw someone, so like a protest and someone was doing it. And I was like, is Whitey on the Moon real? And I found out, yes, it is.

And it is a banger. Bars, bars, bars. I did have a problem. Gil Scott Harron in college. I did way too much hair on. I was like, Whitey is very much on the moon with all the hair on I was doing. A rat done bit my sister now. Um, Black Flag, Henry Rollins's group has a song called TV Party. Oh. We're going to have a TV party tonight. Yeah, yeah. All right. That's a good. Um, in that vein, it's like, uh, TV casualty by, uh, uh, the misfits do you have that i don't have any misfits that's a that's a that's a gaping that's a gaping hole

inside you yeah dude you got to get yeah early you know early misfits we're talking danzig era you know that's that's when they were the best right before they became like the halloween band i mean they were still the halloween band i think then but uh danzig misfits is like the best shit you'll ever hear yeah i always forget that danzig was the singer of the misfits oh it's So it's the fucking best. They were the greatest. Yeah. I love that.

TV on the radio. I've got something to say. Sorry, go ahead. Dear Science. I watched your podcast today. Doesn't matter much to me. As long as I like, comment, subscribe, and share. Stupid.

Dear Science by TV on the radio. Deer Science. He has another bass player who died. Yeah, another dead base player. I was going to say. But he died like much, much, much younger. Gerard, Gerald. Gerard, yeah.

Jarrod Smith. Anyway, hypocrisy is the greatest luxury by the disposable heroes of hypocrisy. Michael Franti's first group has the song, Television, the Drug of the Nation. Amazing song. As well as other songs like everyday life has become health risk and financial leprosy

and famous and dandy like Amos and Andy. Real groovy, catchy, light stuff. And then finally, I didn't think this would fit the theme, but it actually turns out that it does. I ordered this from England that it arrived today. It's a Welsh hardcore group called McCluskey who, if I'm right,

are named after a cop in the godfather? Isn't McCluskey the... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He shoots him in the... Spoiler alert for Godfather 1, but it shows him the throat and then the head, yeah. Yeah, he's the racist cop. He's the one who punched Michael so hard

that he had like a black eye for like two years. Yeah, and however long he was in Sicily. Al Pacino acted. Anyway, McCluskey Dudailles is the name of the album. They're really great. They have a song called Lightsaber Cocksucking Blues, which got me into them. But anyway, so I ordered this album, and it arrives. And inside the package is this little note.

Whoa, let me see. Which says, Free Palestine. Wait, what does it say before that? I fuck with your work. Free Palestine, smiley face. Isn't that nice? That's crazy. And it turns out that this album has a song with lyrics about a guy,

who's given it at all just to be on television. So there you go. That's the spree. I love that. But thank you to whoever I ordered that from on like eBay for for spotting my name and including that lovely little note. That means a lot. I love that.

I love any kind of recognition in the wild from people. It's always like I always, it's crazy. It's crazy because this is one of those podcasts where it's just like, are you sure? You know, you listen to it? Why? You're a fan of what? You're a fan of what? You spend your time how? Yeah, okay. I mean, look, I'm happy that people like this. I just am always shocked by it. Before we introduce our guest, I first need to introduce all of y'all to something that happened on Twitter.

I think yesterday. Right now, we're filming this on Monday, February 9th. Yesterday was the 8th. And this happened. On Twitter, kosher, one of those is a Kosher koshner Kockney, which is, Kosher Kockney is one of those like has bar accounts you see everywhere. He posts a picture of Jerry Seinfeld, who apparently said, I don't care about Palestine to one of the Palestine News Network guys. And he writes, we are all Jerry Seinfeld. Someone named a menacing freak wrote, I am not a pedophile.

Well, very funny joke. Funny way to quote tweet that. To which a guy named Nodulus underscore forever with an Israeli flag in his handle wrote, No kid would even fuck you. And I think I laughed about this for a full hour as this is the most Israeli thing. People were commenting, they're calling it the most Israeli insult ever. My favorite part is someone eventually goes, non-pedos usually aren't into raping children. I understand it might come as a shock to you, quote, people.

And he wrote, did I say rape? Which, I mean, look, if you're going to be an Israeli online, please be this Israeli online, you know? Yeah. Like, be the most Israeli you could possibly be. Be so Israeli that in no way do you see a problem with tweeting out. I bet kids aren't even attracted to you. Must suck to be you. I bet kids walk up to you on the street.

They're like, even if I was of the age of consent, I wouldn't. Yeah, gross. Cuddies. You got, you think you're hot? You think you're hot? You think you're fucking cool and hot? Well, guess what? I know a bunch of kids who would never fuck you.

Ask me if they would say the same. Uh-huh. You see that grown-up over there and that one over there, that whole group of grown-ups? I'm just saying, only in Israel. You're at the end of a long list, buddy. Only in Israel. Are you so used to child exploitation that you're just like, man, you couldn't even get it if you wanted to.

Anyways, shout out to whoever the fuck that guy is. Keep tweeting. Keep doing the hard work of exposing Israel for what it is. It's like taking Chalva from a baby. That's right. And now we introduce our guests. I'm very excited to have her back on the podcast. You already know her and love her from the Katie Helper Show.

Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, welcome back to the podcast. Katie Helper. Hi. Hey. Hi. Hi. How are you doing? Come on back.

Thank you. I noticed this thing. It's funny. Daniel, when you're, like, flattered by something, like someone writing you a note for the visual audience, the audio won't get it,

but you do this thing like this, you're like, yeah, oh yeah, a little, like, a little, that's my little, that's my little, that's my little,

yeah, yeah, oh, you're tickling my ego balls. It's like, he's trying not to smile. It's cute. Yeah, it's nice, though. Listen, whenever I, you know,

get a little ego boost. Now I can, now I'm self-conscious. Yeah, right. You know, you're going to have to frown or smile. I have to go watch the playback. Adam calls it the I'm a little stinker face. Right.

Which is, that's about right. It's the humble quville. It's the humble quvel. It is the humble quvelle. That's exactly what it is. Katie. Matt. I'm, first of all, I'm so happy you're back.

Thank you for coming back to the podcast. You have a wonderful show, the Katie Helper show. Thanks. We have been guests on it. Yes, we enjoy doing it. And you have a, a, wonderful amount of subscribers. And I think we have both, you know, chided you about that because the fact that it's,

you know, what about us? You know, it's not fair. What about you? What about it? That's right. At least she doesn't have another show on the side that also has an obscene number of useful idiots with that. That's right.

That's right. You have with Daniel's brother. So you've, at this point, you have too many podcasts with too many viewers. Yeah. I do encourage people to subscribe to yours, though. That's very nice. That's very nice. But, I mean, I think short of just giving us those channels, I don't think we'll ever be satisfied.

I want to ask you if you are a fan of football at all. Have you ever heard of it? As in soccer? No. No, that's, I'm talking about American soccer. No, I'm not. I'm not. Soccer, which is American football, which is played with hands mostly.

That's right. Yeah. No, I'm not a fan. And I find really boring. I do enjoy, like, a basketball game. That's more dynamic for me. Yeah, no, I'm not a big football fan. But I did sit in front of the Super Bowl, mostly for the commercials.

Sat in front of the Super Bowl. I was working. I was working. And then when the commercials came, I would take off my head. I would stop. Let's get ready to endure something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. I love that. This may be the most detached way to say you watch the Super Bowl is I sat in front of it. I don't want to do Stolen Valor because I really didn't watch it. That's fair. And then I would see, then I would watch the commercials and the Bad Bunny. Yes. Listen, I grew up watching the Super Bowl for the commercials and for the halftime show as well.

I was never a big football guy, but mostly because our L.A. team had left by the time I was of enjoying sports age. so I had no one to root for. By the time you're age of consent. That's right. Once I was the age of consenting to enjoying sports, I was just all basketball all the time. But I will say I do enjoy the commercials. And this year, a wonderful commercial happened in the middle of our Super Bowl. And I'm sure you've already seen it because, like, I don't know if it leaked or it came out last week, I think, on Friday.

Yeah, we even talked about it on our last episode. I saw the cut and uncut version. Yes, there's two versions of it. Circumcise and not circumcised. That's right. Yes, they nip the tip off the end. But for those of you who maybe haven't seen it for one reason or another, let me first describe that this is, of course, Robert Kraft's anti-Semitism PSA that we watched.

And this was a, you know, Robert Kraft, by the way, is the owner of the Patriots. And this particular ad aired in front of 130 million people last night. By the way, biggest, I think, Super Bowl ratings of all time. So here is that video. Now, this is the full version. The one they aired on the Super Bowl doesn't have the ending where they introduce each other. But here is that in case you haven't seen it. Do you see?

I'll tell you. I'm gonna use it. Ha. He's there. Dude. Did you see that? So we're telling? Oh, look.

Oh my gosh. Oh, my God. It's not funny. It's not. Do not listen to that. Thank you, man. I know how it feels. Nah.

They're not worth it, bro. Yeah, you're right. I was tripping. What's your name? Dave. David? Yeah. Allow.

So. First of all, there's so much, it's weird how this ad very much for me is, it's like a really good TV show, you know, or like a really good song. It's a rich text. Where you get something new out of it every time you view it. Yeah, exactly. Like waiting for Guffman. Yeah, exactly. Or Godot.

I feel like this time around one, I know. This is more like Best in Showa, am I right? Yeah. Oh, nice. Very good. This time around, I noticed that him, you know, walking and hearing people, they're whispering something and they're, you know, and it's revealed that they're laughing at him behind his back because he has a Post-it note on his backpack that says dirty Jew on it. Very rude. But I was noticing that there is something about the, like, the, I don't know, the paranoia of people nowadays, at least since October 6th.

where you walk down a hall and you hear someone laughing and they're just like they're doing anti-Semitism. I just know they are. Well, that's what this commercial is. I actually, obviously, I'd seen the long version when we covered it on our last episode. But when I was, when I, I didn't watch the whole Super Bowl. I turned, tuned it in a bit and it happened to play when I was watching. And it occurred to me, oh, this is actually geared towards Jewish preteens.

that's who it's for. It's not primarily to try and change adults' minds or anything like that. It's not even to help Jewish teenagers who are experiencing it. It's training, it's grooming young Jewish people who are sitting and watching the Super Bowl with their families, right, into being afraid of what's coming. Right. And sparking their family members and the people they're watching with to be like, yes, son, this is what we've been trying to tell you.

Only Israel can keep us safe. And meanwhile, you got Jewish kids. Why we have to kill a bunch of Palestinians. Right. Well, exactly right. Israel is the only remedy for your encroaching feeling of anti-Semitism, of fear of anti-Semitism, which we're going to ramp up as much as we can before you ever encounter a single, even dirty look. Much less dirty poster note.

The country that is most responsible, the entity most responsible for increasing anti-Semitism would like to tell you. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. They've got your back that has all the post-it notes on it. Exactly. That's right. And the funny way they got your back is not by removing the dirty Jew post-it, but by censoring it with a blue square.

Oh, yeah. Right. Also, I mean, Brianna Joy Gray, I first saw this because Brianna Joe Gray texted me, let's be these, let's go as these guys for Halloween with a link to the video. So I do really want to do that. It's a great idea. But he's so much shorter than him, I'll have to, like, walk on my knees. Yeah. That's funny.

It also does, it looks like a Stranger Things episode. I thought it was Finn Wolthard at first, you know? It's like Stranger in a Strangeland Things. Right. And you got this black character coming along at the last minute to diversify things. And his name is Bilal, it turns out. Belal. Yes, that's right.

I mean, it's a cheesy ad. It's an ad that when it came out, it pleased no one, which I thought was fascinating. fascinating. Yeah, that was amazing, yeah. Because I understood why, you know, we're on this podcast, we're cynical, you know, and skeptical of the motives of it. You know, obviously, anti-Semitism has been used at this point, I mean, for a long, longer than since October 7th, but for the last few years as a way of justifying the unjustifiable, you know, oh, we have to protect people from anti-Semitism, therefore we have to censor everybody on the internet, therefore we have to kill a bunch of Palestinians

and therefore ethnic cleansing of the land is totally, you know, valid. Of course you would say that, Matt, but what are the non-Coppos saying? That's right. That's right. They must have loved it, right? The proud Jews of the world, obviously, also were mad about it. And I say obviously because we covered this on the episode we just did with Kat. But what was interesting about it was like much of the criticism from the has

Barosphere was essentially that it was not tough enough. Like was that anti-Semitism needs to be dealt with in a way that bolsters the Jewish state, which is, I mean, is the perfect encapsulation of just everything that pro-Israel people believe, which is that like anti-Semitism serves one purpose. It's the reason for anti-Semitism, for even talking about ending anti-Semitism, is that you're going to send a bunch of guns and money and Jews to Israel. Yeah. Also, I mean, it's very embarrassing for people.

And maybe we should wait until we show some of the tweets. But, you know, proud Jews, the Hasbara sphere Jews, they do not want to see a short king. Dude. And they don't want to see a black, tall black person having to have their backs. It's so emasculating for these people. And it like, if you want to see why Zion, it's. took off because obviously you have the imperialism part and all the kind of like the geostrategic stuff. But if you want to understand why psychologically it's taken off, especially among men,

this is a big window into that pathology. It is very interesting. This ad is pure, this ad is pure cope and these guys want pure seeds. Yes. Yes. So the height thing is very interesting. And we will get into that. First, here's a couple of tweets from people, one from Meg Keene, who wrote, I have Jewish kids in public school. Anti-Semitism is absolutely a struggle for them and it looks nothing like this. Instead, they're told that their cousins and the IDF murder babies for fun

and my kids, you know, raised by me, argue back. They don't do it for fun. They don't do it for fun. Right. They do it for self-defense. Yeah, exactly. Laughter is a Krov Maga move. But also, can you go back to that?

Please. I just want to see that again. So, I mean, here they are giving away the game, which is that it's not anti-Semitism that they are facing or a struggle for them. It is the fact that they defend. I assume that people don't just go up to her kids because they're Jewish and assume that they have cousins in the IDF. I assume that their kids are criticized because they're defending Israel. Well, mom is a blue checkmark on Twitter who constantly, you know, talks about this, I'm sure.

So there's a little bit of like, yeah, this is probably. a pretty openly publicly pro Israel family. Maybe they've had occasion to say in a classroom setting, oh, actually my cousin was in that army or oh, I visited that my family, like kids might know that about them. It's like, yeah. Right.

You know, wait, show one more, I got a screen grab it. Thanks. Okay, yeah. Right. But and obviously and my kids, you know, raised by me, argue back. So obviously they're in the battle because they're raised by this feisty US. Yes. But she gives away the game here. They're not facing anti-Semitism. They're facing criticism.

for defending a genocidal state and for having cousins who are engaging in genocide. And that's exactly, it's so funny because they're like doing our jobs for us, right? Because our point is this isn't anti-Semitism that you're facing. This is criticism of the state of Israel. Right. And you're just laying it out. So thank you, lady. Right.

And also beyond that, but like, you know, this anti-Semitism is absolutely a struggle for them. It looks nothing like this. Instead, they're told their cousins in the IDF murder babies for fun. I have to say that there is, of course, a version of anti-Semitism that is just going up to every Jew you know and being like, oh, are you a pro-Israel genocide supporter or whatnot? That can absolutely be anti-Semitic. However, I always feel like the people who are mentioning this conflation are the ones who constantly do it. They're the ones who are doing the conflation.

They're the ones who are making it so that when the kids argue back, What they're arguing isn't, no, you know, my cousins don't do genocide. They're arguing, no, it's not technically a genocide and they need to kill those babies for X, Y, Z reason. Or when they fight back, what they're saying is Hamas tunnels or whatever. So what they're doing is defending a genocide. And by the way, once again, Israel is doing a genocide. So if you're going to put yourself in the position of agreeing that, yes, as a Jew, I am someone who, of course, is represented by the state of Israel,

you're doing anti-Semitism to yourself. And they want more of that in this ad. Like Adam Lewis Klein was like, this is the entirely wrong approach. Like, what they need to be doing is making an ad that shows kids being called a white colonizer, a genocider, a settler colonialist.

Right. You know, like imagine how that would go over in front of 130 million Super Bowl viewers. Like, watch anti-Semitism. Like, this ad is about, noxious enough. You know, if you came out with it and been like, the thing we're going to browbeat you about

during America's favorite sports event is that you're like objecting to where your tax dollars are being spent in this foreign country. And like naming the accusations that people might level at it and being like to level these accusations is to be anti-Semitic. Right. I mean, fucking.

I mean, you're not, that's a, well, because it gives away a other part of the game and that like the actual uh goal here isn't to stop anti-semitism. The goal here is that what's the point of even mentioning that anti-Semitism exists without this other part? Like they they don't care about stopping anti-Semitism because if they did, they wouldn't suggest doing an ad where the IDF is, you know, wakeboarding over baby skulls and saying, you know, if you don't like this, then you're going to jail.

Yeah. But by the way, it's funny. I called her a Jew ass and I'm looking at her website. She actually describes herself as a best-selling offer, an actual boss, a hustler, builder, permission slip giver, feet first jumper, Jewess, mom of two, anagram three, firecracker, forever a ridiculous theater kid. And you probably use my books to plan your wedding. Now I write beautiful, complicated, healing Jewish love stories. Yeah, I'm sure. I can just hear the vocal fry going up in that, yeah.

I mean, this is probably a little bit. there's only based on my experience, but the only time before I, you know, started digging into pro-Israel accounts that I heard anyone use the word Jewish, it was like Nazis. I had never heard that it self-described Jewish. It was one of those things where it was like,

that always felt like something that, I don't know, like Eamon Goertz said in Schindler's list to one of the like people in her camp. in his camp. But anyways, people were tweeting all sorts of things about how they were mad about this. This guy, Gideon Ashkowitz, wrote, I'm sorry, but when a student in my college told me his Egyptian father would cut my head off if he saw me, I did not need someone to post a blue square. I needed his father investigated and removed from the country.

I wonder if he said that because the kids, like he may just coincidentally found him insufferable, that kid. You don't know what happened. Listen, we don't know. He sounds like a snitch. I mean, he's probably really annoying because he's already basically calling DHS in. Yes. I love it. I love that he's just like, listen, guys, the problem with this commercial is that you're advocating for censorship.

Right. When what you should be doing is advocating for the jailing and deportation of anyone. It's like we need more Mahmood Khalil, less, I don't know. Insert example of whatever. Fire professor. The ad should have featured the. kid going to the school counselor and, you know, the school counselor listens with horror to this incident and then says, do you want me to take care of it? And the kid says yes. And the, the counselor

leans forward and presses a button on his desk and instantly, you know, eight kids have the, eight kids are like yanked by their backs up by helicopter ropes. Tom Homan shows up. Yeah. Yeah, just ends up being another. They put it, she presses like a blue button. A blue button on a Yeah, blue square button. Yeah, blue square button, baby. But yeah, I mean, obviously, like, these were, like, some of the things that people were saying, but this was before. You know, it's actually, come to think of it, blue square is the symbol for intermediate ski runs. So you're going to have a lot of people this winter. Wow. How do you know that? Because you're Canadian? Because I used to ski because I'm, yeah, yeah. You got green circles, green circles, blue squares and black diamonds. Oh, okay, yeah, I got it. Yeah. I thought it was, for some reason, I thought they were all diamonds, but you're right. This blue

square. So the ad finally aired, and I just want to say, I don't know if this was on purpose or not, but I do want to shout out the guy who, comrade guy who sequences Super Bowl ads. Because this dude is a comrade. Here is his masterpiece as shown by Rabbi Shmooley who tweeted about this very thing. Here it is. So he puts the square over. We see them together. I know how it feels. I know what it feels. Oh, we didn't even talk about this part. A lot. We'll get to them.

It's the best part. That is amazing. All right. That is pretty good. But I was listening. The next is a toilet seat singing Phil Collins, right? Yeah, what is it singing? I was laughing.

I think it's against all odds. Take a look at me now. I was laughing too hard to know what song it was, but immediately following the anti-Semitism PSA was a toilet bowl singing. Fiddler on the roof would be good. Yes. Dude, straight up, Rabbi Shmuli was even just like,

how did they allow a speaking toilet ad right after the anti-Semitism ad at the Super Bowl? But we didn't even talk about how he says, what is it? I know how it feels. I know. Being a black person in America, they really get what it feels like to be Jewish in America. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that is the, of course. Because they're the same thing. Because we were slaves too in Egypt, right? Dude, straight up, it is like the ultimate liberal Zionist talking point when it comes to this. 400 years of Post-it notes, Katie. Yeah, exactly. That's right. Well, like, what is, I think, left unsaid here about where this dissonance is coming from,

at least with this ad, is that the approach of the sort of liberal Zionist of the past is just no longer palpable like not only is it do regular people

look at it and go like you know, gross, but like even the pro-Israel people or even just like regular Zionists are looking at this and going, guys, what are we doing? You know, at this point, it's for nobody. This is why liberal Zionism is so funny.

Yeah. Well, it does remind me of the Sarah Hurwitz intervention when she was upset, you know, about how we messed up Holocaust education because now people think that the Nazis in this situation are the Israelis. Right. Right. Not the, you know, not the Palestinians. Obviously, they're the Israelis. But also she was upset that people saw like parallels between Palestinians and black people. And so they're like still hoping that they can.

bully people and just thinking that the parallel is black people and Jews. Yes, exactly. Or black people and Israelis, you know, by proxy, of course. But, like, it is, it's funny because you're just watching this is like completely, doesn't make sense to anybody anymore. You are speaking to an audience of no one at this point. The only people you are speaking to are maybe like a handful of people who have been like, I don't fucking know.

Like, I would say maybe the majority of Americans. Americans at best looked at that and just went, okay, yeah, people shouldn't put dirty Jew on things. But the idea that, like, this is in any way comparable to the experience of being black in America. It's just so insulting. It's, again, embarrassing. It's the most embarrassing thing that we've, at least I've had to deal with, is talking to black friends of mine for the last couple of years. who have been like, yeah, you know who I got yelled at by today? And it was just some other white Jewish person who was DMing them about how they were doing

anti-Semitism and how could you and all that stuff. Yeah. The discourse like just kept getting worse. We talked about this before, but like there's the fact that pro-Israel people were mad that it was a wimpy Jew. Exactly. That was a big thing. Like, why is the Jew so wimpy? You know, this, you know, dweeby Jew rescued by a cool black dude.

And, you know, there was even one account who wrote this about it. My very first experience with anti-Semitism was in high school. Oh, my God. Being attacked by a black Muslim guy named Talib or Talib. But Robert Kraft just spent millions on a crappy Super Bowl ad to tell the world that a black Muslim guy named Balal is our savior. So cool. Well, right. They should have had a Christian Zionist

his rescue, right? They should have had a Black Balal attacking him. That's right. Yeah. They should have had Lewis Farrakhan in there. Yes. It should have been Louis Farrakhan,

putting the Post-it note on, and then a white Aryan Christian being like, we are both master races in our own right. John Higie type, yeah. Yes. Don't listen to them, my friend, and my brother.

I know how it feels. And one day the day will come when Christ the Lord will rise and we'll cast these sinners away and will take us both to the Holy Land and you'll be promptly cast into the pits of hell and I will wave you a fond farewell as you fall. Yeah, yeah, unless you convert, but you won. Right, 400 of us get to survive, yep. It's just unless I place a post-it note on your back that says saved. That's right.

Yeah. The green, the blue post-it note will be my sign to St. Peter that you, okay, you're allowed. You can get in. But remember, I'm the one who chooses. What I love about it, too, is that there was like, posted. There was even like some inter-Nazi drama between ethno-nationalists over this. This is just my favorite exchange regarding this. This is a little fun little sidebar.

I love these people. Yeah. So reasonable man. with an American flag in his in his bio wrote this is just anti-white racism and then Alexander the first Jewish Massearch and emperor of the yeah well I say masheiach but whatever we're not white light brown like Scarjo with a tan and then reasonable man says the bad guys in this are white as per usual in your propaganda which is like this is the anti-Semitic trope right of like I wish

this were true, like that, uh, that Jews today or, I mean, basically, uh, they're cast, he's confusing progressive Jews who are against racism with, uh, Zionists. Right, right. In that instance, yeah. And also, I mean, this is just someone who is, like, reasonable man is, if not, an anti-Semite. Yes, for sure an anti-Semite. If he's a person, if, if he's not just a bot who always writes, this is anti-.

Could be a Zionist. pretending, yeah. You really, yeah. I'm looking at the last tweet. Oh my God, isn't the best. I know. Your fault for expanding the demographic to include pale spicks,

wops, polags, and Irish Catholic mooks. White used to mean spick and span wasps. I wonder if that was a deliberate, if that was a deliberate pun on spik and span. Anyway, Western Euro Protestant only. You dirtied your brand. I feel like both of these people are plants. I think that the alleged anti-Semite is actually a Zionist.

And then I think the alleged Zionist is an anti-Zionist trying to make Zionists look like racist, you know, backwards racist. They're two pro-white, you know, pro-race science bots, arguing with each other about who is the most. Racial purity, yeah. Racial purity. No, no, no, no, no. Batia Angar Songa, Argon told me these are two ordinary Americans standing on Main Street having a conversation about their lives and what matters to them. Fighting back against the elites. Yeah, the elites don't, the elites want you to keep talking about race science.

I have a friend, by the way, who whenever he impersonates, he's someone who you guys know, but I don't know if he wants this to be public. But whenever he impersonates, Batya, my dog starts barking furiously. I love that. I got out of control. Yeah. Wow, it is a dog whistle, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. More like a dog whistle, but I've made that joke before.

And it's still good every time you do it. But yeah, this, I just, I love just two people arguing about, like, who does the best at race purity? Right. Just mad at this ad. Also, who is when he says it's your fault? Can you show that again? Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who is he talking to you? Your fault for expanding the demographic to include. No. He's talking to white people.

He's like, you shouldn't have expanded the definition of white. Yes. But we liked it more when the Irish were not white. Yeah, this is a... They didn't used to be considered white. I know. They were the N-Words with their skin turn inside out, which is just so disgusting. Right.

So he longs for those days. That was a real thing. He longs for those days. This guy, wow. No, I mean, what they're arguing about is... That's why I think they're both plants. Whether or not they're both plants, what they are arguing about actually makes total sense. this reasonable man is doing, you know, white nationalist talking point about like the Jews, you made diversity into this thing and, you know, all of your propaganda is about doing race mixing.

And this, you know, Jewish racist Zionist is saying, hey, it's not my fault that you guys expand the tent of whiteness every fucking decade to include the Irish and Italians. Right. You know, like the problem is, is you dirtied your brand, whereas we in Israel are trying to do the right thing by keeping our brand clean, making sure that we only allow the purest of Jews inside. And of course, none of that is true because they, you know, of the Mizrahi Jews, of course, they despise for various reasons. And then, no, but they've, but they've turned them into the white class. Yeah, of course. Right, right, exactly. I mean, they have, they have in a sense redefined and reconfigured.

whiteness in a way in which it can it can it can it can have a little bit of of a hue variety right which yeah which of course i think this guy is probably you know going to have a problem with at some point and that's the thing about you know the internal race politics in israel is that it's like there's a lot of racism uh against jews of each you know different types of jews it's just uh they of course have a national project that says let's hold that you know, to the side while we do some ethnic cleansing. But the...

I like that. At least he, like, this is not a pep. This is not a progressive except on Palestine. This is like a racist. It's just a racist. Racist including on Palestine. Rip. It's a rip. It's a rip. Exactly. But the best thing was something you alluded to earlier,

Elon Levy. Oh my God, I love him. He posted a video. It's great. Now, the video itself has Bad Bunny music over. I don't want to get a copyright strike, so it's just, but it's seven seconds long, but you got to read the text of the tweet. That is the important thing. Doesn't he hate Bad Bunny?

What's that? Doesn't he hate Bad Bunny? I'm sure he hates Bad Bunny. Yeah, it just happens to have that. John Podaris, by the way, tweeted out. I couldn't believe it. He was like, I don't want to hear a bad word about Bad Bunny. He was amazing, which I quote tweeted, and I was like, please don't hold this against

Bad Bunny. But anyway, sorry. I'm sure that he waited to send that tweet until he was. He thoroughly scanned the halftime show for Palestinian flags. And when he found none, he said, okay, fine. Right. But here is the tweet, and it's Alon Levy saying the ad-IdF has released what it says is its Super Bowl ad, much more inspiring for an American Jewish kid who is getting called a, quote, dirty Jew than hoping a taller, cooler black kid will save him.

That is just so revealing, yeah. The video itself is just like, you know, seven or eight seconds of Israeli soldiers, all with their faces blurred out. Of course, because that's how courageous and brave they are. Yeah, because there's nothing more courageous than being saved by people in masks. But yeah, that tweet itself is very revealing, I think. Very revealing. The fact that he is mad. And a lot of people keep bringing this up, that a cool black kid is the savior.

of this advertisement. The whole point is Jews are butch. The good Jews are butch, right? Yes. That's what they are. And the whole, like, founding of Israel was enmeshed in this narrative that rejected the, you know, diaspora Jew or the exile Jew, the weak, cowardly, rabbinical, you know, stettel, whatever, cowering in the corner as their mother was raped, their sister was raped, doing with this or that program, going to the slaughter like sheep, all of these things. But it's just crazy that he just wears his insecurity on his sleeve in this tweet. Like we get it. You feel insecure and you feel insecure around black guys and you feel insecure about being short.

The short thing is the big, that's the surprise to me because I didn't notice that until he said it. Until. Well, you're short, you're hype blind. You're very progressive and you don't see height. I think it's, I just, this is, I'm high privilege. So I, doesn't, doesn't, doesn't this sound though like the next Nick Crowell animated show, like a, like a TV series about like a dweeby short Jewish teenager, you know. Nebish.

Yes. Yeah. And his cool, tall black friend who protects him from anti-Semitism. But maybe he's a, but maybe he's imaginary, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Imagine a black savior. Like, what is, what is that that movie with the big rabbit? Harvey? Harvey, yeah.

Yeah. Balal, but it'll be Balaw. Yeah. Bala the rabbit. I mean, the funny thing about this, other than the height thing, which I think is, I noticed the height thing after Alon said it, and it's really interesting to me because I think he truly, like, there is something so openly insecure about, like, not only is this guy cooler, but he's taller. Yeah.

And I was thinking about this because this ad, in terms of what Daniel was saying, like, who is this for and who does this appeal to? And it's just like, you know, obviously it is doing the like Israel grooming thing. But I think being mad at this ad, what's funny to me about it is that you've got people who are mad and want, they want the cool black guy to be Israel. They don't want you as a white American Jewish kid. to be looking towards some taller, cooler, black guy. Yeah, common cause.

Like, they don't want you to be forming alliances or solidarity with anyone who isn't promising you, like, who isn't circling the wagons and, like, getting you to hunker down in the bunker, the ethno-s supremacist bunker with them. It's not like, oh, wow, in fact, there's a whole world of human beings who see us as human beings and their human beings and our common humanity will save us. solidarity will save us empathy was no none of that none of that that that's a threat that's an active threat to what the you know Jewish state is to what Israel is like

it is an active threat to be like you know no one is free until we're all free type shit like that's right having that kind of intersectionality is an active threat to the state of Israel and so you know there's this thing where you can see the this attempt this insecure attempt to like please stop, stop trying to be friends with the cool, tall black guy. And as a, like, white kid from America, I will tell you, you are never, ever, ever going to make this work. You're never going to be able to convince a bunch of white Jewish kids to take...

To not want black kids to be friends with them. Yes, to not want black kids to be friends with them. And to instead replace a cool, tall black kid with a thousand, a fucking... a million like Jewish munchkins. Are you saying Jews will now replace them? He's trying to do Jews please replace cool black friends. And I'm like, you don't know white kids in America. But these kids, they don't understand, Matthew.

That tall, cool, black kids have an entire continent of countries that could represent them. Okay? They don't really, they're not really, they don't have any allegiance to you. Right. You're just a dirty Jew to them. Even if they're friends. So old school, dirty Jew. What's that?

It's so old school, dirty Jew. It's a very old school, you know, yeah. My mom got that. It also sounds like it should be. From like the Irish Catholic school kids. No disrespect. Some of my best friends, partners are. Robert Kraft remembers it from in utero.

But it also sounds like it should be a rabbi schmuli like after sex cleanup product. Dirty Jew. Like a moist towelette called Dirty Jew, you know. Not only does my daughter say. She also sells soap that wipes up the lube. It's called Dirty Jew Cleanup Solution. Right. Also known as the final solution.

Oh, nice. Yeah. But yeah, like I just love thinking about every bar mitzvah I've ever been to. And they're all, what's like the common theme among all of them? The common theme is, man, I wish I was a cool black dude. Like there's not a single bar mitzvah, unless it's like super orthodox. Most of them are just straight up dance parties. And most of them are just the entire, not just musical vibe,

but the aesthetic vibe of the party is always urban hip-hop. Yeah, and that's the music. That's the music that's being played. It's not modest Yahoo or whatever, yeah. There's nothing that white Jews want more than acceptance by a cool. tall black dude. You are never going to be able to change that. If there's any doubt about that,

rewind this show one week and go watch what happened when Butch Ware mentioned, or when Tribe Called Quest came up in my interview with Butchware, all of a sudden, I'm rapping, you lit up. Fife Dog with him, and I just lit up and I've never been, you know,

like that's me at my most absolutely exuberant. It just doesn't happen unless black people want to rap with me, you know. And, and, you know, it's, for whatever reason it is, There's various reasons.

I'm sure many of them problematic as to why. I'm not saying it's not problematic. No one saying it's not problematic. But the wanting acceptance from cool black guys is white Jewish American culture. So sorry. We are all Adam Sandler in uncut gems. Exactly. Exactly.

Finally, the ADL came out with a tweet basically saying, guys, that's stop being mad. they wrote at uh they wrote did you see the at b sq a org 20 Jesus Christ what did you see the 2026 Super Bowl ad square I get it oh blue square oh blue square god um some say it leans too heavily on Jewish victimhood or that it fails to reflect the realities of anti-Semitism today and honestly those are valid concerns they are we've been saying that about you for three years that's all you do no because they want, well, this is what, what it speaks to something actually, which is that they want,

this is like the Jewish fantasy, which is to be a would-be victim, but like one inch away from being a victim. You know, like, other Jews have been victimized. There was October 7th, but we would never let that happen. So don't show us as like wimpy, just focus on how bitch we are. But also everyone wants to kill us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're not because we're so butch.

That's why they didn't get away with it. It's too much shit to juggle. Too much shit. We're not paranoid. We're vigilant. That's right. Right. And vengeful.

And we're not weak. Yeah. But that is the real thing. It's like how can mean that is the contradiction? Yeah, exactly. You can't touch us, but we're all being killed. Exactly. Israel is so badass.

People in the world and I'm crying right now. Exactly. Yeah. We're not fragile. We're brittle. Don't push us because we're close to. Don't break. Don't push me.

when we break, we'll cut you. But also, you know, Israel is like, you have to live in Israel because it's the safest place slash we just went through the worst thing since the Holocaust. Yeah, exactly. Like, pick a fucking narrative. They can't. They can't.

The narrative is completely, it's just, there's too many directions. And so they don't know how exactly to navigate this because they live in a set of, like, lies that all contradict each other, that your head explodes even to try to hold them all together at the same time. But they were rabbinical balancing all these truths, yeah. Yes.

And honestly, those are valid concerns. But this ad was about raising awareness and motivating people to fight anti-Jewish hate. The ADL Center for Antisemitism Research, Carr, conducted a randomized controlled trial of over 2,000 Americans. And the results are clear. The ad works. And that's a huge. Do people leave and say, fine, I won't write dirty Jew on someone's back, uh, on someone's back now? The, the ad works, uh, because they ran the numbers, Katie, okay?

And the numbers say that. This 2020s, Super Bowl ad. We don't have to love the ad to take the data seriously. The ADS Center for Antisemitism research tested the ad with some U.S. audiences. Here's what the data said. After watching it, people were 8% more likely to say anti-Semitism is a serious problem. 13% more likely to interrupt friends or family making anti-Semitic comments. What I want to, wait, wait, wait.

13% more likely to interrupt people in their general vicinity doing anti-Semitism. They said. They said. I mean, that's great. I used to be cool with dirty Jew, but now I realize it's not cool. Right. How do you feel after seeing that ad? I feel like I'm about 13% more likely.

to tell my dad to stop saying things about bankers. Right. Quote unquote. 10% more likely to support anti-Semitism education in public schools and 10% more motivated to help fight anti-Semitism. Oh, I love to be 10% more motivated, bro, for anything. But to fight anti-Semitism? That's not about aesthetics.

It's about behavior. The ad works because it builds awareness. I love Matt, how many times have I told the, have I told the Woody Allen Halloween Party joke on this podcast. Gosh, I don't know. To be honest, I'm trying to remember. You know I don't remember the past, right?

Like when it comes to this podcast, if you don't remember it, please do it. I will take the opportunity. This is from back in his stand-up days. He tells this long story about a Halloween party he went to and he was late and he didn't have a costume,

so he decided to dress up as a ghost. He puts a white shoot over his head and cuts a couple little holes out for the eyes. and he's trying to catch a cab to the party and a car drives by and people tell him to get in. It's a bunch of other guys wearing the same costume. He's like, wow, we must be going to the same party and they take him out to this open field.

Oh, yes, yes. And this big cross, and they, you know, and when they realize who he is and they rip off his mask and they realize he's Jewish, they're about to, you know, do something very terrible to him. And he says at that moment, I don't know what came over me. I unleashed this beautiful monologue about the brotherhood of man, and solidarity and our need to support each other

and how we've all been through stuff and to listen to each other's narratives. And he says, and they were so moved by my words that not only did they drive me to the party and apologize profusely for the inconvenience, but I managed to sell them $2,000 worth of Israel bonds. Oh, that's good. This is in the 1960s or early 70s, you know?

But that's what the data is shown. Yeah, the data is showing that these clansmen are starting to understand the need for Israel. Truly, truly an amazing series of events just, you know, due to one Robert Kraft-sponsored Super Bowl ad. It's not great either to have craft, crafty, crafty, you know. I know. He's a crafty, crafty Robert, we'll tell you that. Robert, crafty robber. Yeah.

But shout out to, of course, the Seattle Seahawks for whipping that ass. But by the way, I like the way Carr is one letter off from care. Yeah, right. They're like care, but without the Islamic. Bilal, without the Bilal. Without the Bilal's, yeah. So, yeah, oh, and final note on this, the final version, if you maybe noticed, did not include the part where Bilal.

where Bilal introduces himself. Instead, when the Jewish kid says, what's your name? Black kid says, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You know what I'm here for. I'm tall, I'm black, I'm cool. Yeah. Let's go, homie. What's your name?

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Katie Helper shows. Katie Helper. How are you doing, Katie? Good, thanks. You guys? We're good. We guys is good. We good guys. We're two good guys. You know what? We're two nice Jewish boys is what I would say. But that was with my segue to talk about this next thing. Nice. About two nice Jewish girls. So, Daniel, you, I think, came across this podcast clip from the,

I really hate you account. That's a good one. An ex-Israeli who collects Israeli media for everyone. And ex-Israeli on X. Yeah. He's an ex-Israeli on X, everything happened, which he really does hate Israel. And he actually moved, like he doesn't live there? He or she doesn't live there.

Yeah. He moved, I think, sometime last year. He, yeah, he was, he, like, tweeted about it. He's like, I got to get the fuck out of here. I do think he might have legitimately been in danger because he really does hate. Israel. Yeah, and he's a very, very reliable steady source of the worst Hebrew language media has to offer, you know, and we haven't done one of these in a while. But this one, you know, we did cover those two nice Jewish boys on their genocide podcast. Yeah, it would be really sexist.

It would be really sexist to not cover the girls. Yeah. That's so true. But here's here is something. I haven't seen this yet. So this is a podcast. It's just called Femort. or something like that, like women talking. Similar conversations. Sarah, what's her name? Sharma or something like that. And her guest is Limor, Son Harmelech, who is a member of Knesset, a settler. We mentioned her.

She was, she was one of the part of the committee that held those hearings where the rabbi came in and talked about how non-viginal unmarried women are like used adhesive stickers. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Cool. So she's cool. Yeah.

Their glue is worn off. And this has got to be, the name of the podcast has to be like girl talk. Female Conversations doesn't feel like this is the name of the podcast. It doesn't roll off the tongue. It's got to be like girl talk, but female conversations. All right, here's that video. The Hamas narrative. I think that a world where even one child is killed in a world where a female would lead,

one child dying is a huge tragedy. for our world. I, first of all, look out for my people's well-being, but to tell you that there's no part in me where some natural motherly human emotion stirs within me, for the boy I see, the girl I see in Gaza, among the garbage and such, that's an emotion, but ultimately, that emotion is not what would lead me. That is, uh, that is, that, that is a feeling. That, that, that was a human feeling. I definitely, I do, yeah, sensors detect. If the question is, Do I have feelings inside when I see Ghazan dead children? Somewhere, maybe, yes.

I feel something. But there's lots of feelings. There's hungry. They're sleeping. There's excited. And I'm not going to tell you which one I feel. And also my husband says, I'm just a stupid woman. So what are my feelings have to do with anything?

I asked the rabbi and he agreed. I used to be a useful sticker. And now I'm a used sticker. Right, exactly. But she says it's not those emotions that will lead her, which I love that sort of like second wave feminist bullshit where it's just like, yo, yo, I'm not like those other girls who allow their empathies to. I'm like a Margaret Thatcher. I'm on Margaret Thatcher. I'm a tough titty.

It will guide me. It's not the emotion that will make me act one way or another now. I know what needs to be done. And it doesn't contradict the fact that this feeling may sprout. The mind rules over the heart. That's it. The mind ruling the heart. So I think that's exactly what we're missing in the world

because the mind ruling the heart is the masculine perspective on the world. It says, I feel something, but I suppress my emotions and act even against them. That power of the womb is a force that contains contradictions within itself. You know what I think. I'm sorry, but I just want to point out that I called... Power of the womb. Pow. I fucking called this shit. I was just like, what is this like, oh, I'm not going to let these feelings like override my...

you know, sensibilities and then immediately they get into yeah, see this is a problem with women. They immediately start denigrating themselves. But what's funny is that the host seems to be saying, no, don't override the emotion, feel the emotion.

Like let yourself feel the contradiction, but both of them will arrive at the same conclusion and do nothing about it. Well, don't wait. We don't know the conclusion yet, right? Because we haven't found out. I mean, the fact is, is that the host kind of threw me for a loop here because I thought she was directly confronting

this member... Wait, is that it? There's no more? There's more. There's more. Okay, okay. Directly confronting this member of Knesset about like, hey, don't you feel something when you kill children? And instead, she's like completely agreeing with her take care. When I look at a Gazan woman, what I want to say to them, my sister, I want you to thrive. I want you to do well.

I want your children to do well. In return for that, you will have to give up this land. In your temperament, you will have to not threaten my children in any way, because if you come near my child, I'll murder you and your children. What the what? That's the host.

That's the host. That's the host. That's the one. That's the one who's like, I have, yo, yo. So I'm saying about this, we agree. But on the other hand, when I see your children dying,

my heart burns. Tell me, do you think there's anyone? And now this is the Kinescent member. And he wants children to die? I just think that I would, I really, really, really want to hear you say it, Limor. I think that's the voice that's missing in the world. You know, Sarah, I would say it if I didn't know that it might cause confusion.

Yo, thank you, Le Ma'amor. That's very honest. What is she want Leymour to say? She just wants her to say. Let me be the Zionist whisperer here. What she wants LeMor to say is, this hurts me more than it hurts you. Right, okay, God. Stop pretending that this isn't hard for you.

Don't give up that it's necessary. Allow your womb's wisdom to help you contain the contradictions of shooting and crying. Let's go back to shooting and crying. Yeah, you're doing the shooting, but you're not doing the crying. That's right. And what are female Zionists for if not to provide the crying? Exactly. So you're saying, so they want like, please show us that you have some humanity that you're choosing to squelch?

That's right. Yes. That's exactly right. It's going to land better. I would, except I think that would confuse the issue. And she's exactly right. Yeah. Like right wing, genocidal, fascistinists always speak the truth in a more plain, less mind-twisting way.

I prefer her honesty. Exactly. I'm too. Yeah. Yeah. I prefer that to the, what is the gold of my ear. It may be apocryphal, but whatever. It's like we can forgive the Arabs for killing our children, but not for making us kill theirs. It's like the most. That's exactly right.

Yeah. This woman, this podcast shows is the absolute air to that. So, yeah. Dude. They're like, I would love for you to thrive. I just need an order for me to recognize your humanity, you're going to have to give up land. Yeah. Okay.

I hear you. I hear you. You don't want to give up your homeland. You don't want me to pave the cemetery where all your ancestors are, I'm going to have to keep killing you now. But I want you to, no, no, no, you've had your chance for today. I just want you to know this. This really sucks for me. Yeah.

Is that so hardly more? Right. Yeah. It is... Just say that there's a part of you that dies inside. Nah, not really. Right. I mean, honestly, it is... What that is is a plea for, remember the days when we used to be good at PR. Remember, we used to be good at explaining ourselves to the world as like this unwitting... Being victims who had to do genocide, who had to do ethnic cleansing.

They've gotten lazy because they're so entitled and coddled that they don't even know how to pander and fake... it anymore. Right. And she's mad because I'm sure, you know, that host has to explain it to people all the time in English, which is harder to do. And it is just so funny watching it because you're also seeing the ratchet effect of like liberalism, you know, like writ large. Like the ratchet effect of at this point, if you're a liberal inside of Israeli society, the right has moved so far that your liberal centrist ass is now firmly in the okay. genocide is happening. Yes, it's happening. We're doing it. We must do it. Can't we still be sad about it? Exactly. That is the movability of a liberal. It's the perfect example.

Principalist fucking liberals who just go for, well, how do I meet someone in the middle who keeps moving right? And the right wing, and in the meantime, correctly asks the question, why fucking bother? Right. Right. Who are you explaining? What are you saving here? What's the fucking, why would I want? want to mess with that. That's just, that's just inefficient. We are a genocide factory. We're an anti-Semitism factory. We're a hate factory. We're a contempt factory. We're a fear factory. Why in the fuck would we waste valuable resources allowing that emotion to factor into it whatsoever? Why are we even talking about this? Right. Yeah. No, it is really, it is really fascinating. They're like, we really want to push the idea that we would love to not kill people because we have hearts,

But when we kill people, it's obviously, we obviously don't want to do it because we're overriding our humanity. So if we're doing that, there's a really good reason, which is like we can't survive without doing it. So just say that, please, so we have some cover. And the other woman's like, eh, me. Also, what's the schmata she's wearing on her head? Because it's so funny how certain cultural things, like, don't translate.

Because here that would look very, like, tolerant, like multicultural, you know what I mean? but she's actually just like a Jewish Nazi. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of these settled women. I know. It's weird. I remember, like, you will have Israelis

who have like shaved heads and look like they're Ani DeFranco fans, like those shaved heads, but they just say genocidal stuff, you know? It's really bizarre. We need to end today with that soft liberal Zionist, like feeling that we all miss. Someone who has the courage of their convictions,

when it comes to shooting and crying and making sure crying is the most important thing. His name is Adam Lewis Klein. Once again, we're back with... Take it away from this guy. The man from McGill. He, of course... The whole McGillah.

Yeah, the whole McGillah. He is someone who we often show his graphic designs. He's the anti-Zionism, is racism, graphic designer guy who constantly has made his, like, angle being the guy who posts pictures that he made. saying slogans like Oh my God

he puts so much work into them it's so embarrassing And he just posts memes in response Like someone can be posting something about He's literally that me That thing of like I'm that true Nobody colon blah

Right right yeah Yeah He'll just pop up like here's my latest Arts and Crafts project My latest little collage Yes Like yeah nobody Patrick Wolf was the founder

of Settler Colonial Studies Blah blah blah blah blah It's nobody Adam Lewis Klein's. Jews are indigenous. JPEG. So he put out something recently that I absolutely loved. This is his anti-Zionism across cultural lines axes.

Does Daniel have to recuse himself? I mean, he might. We see that on the X-axis, the X-axis goes left to right, right? Yeah. And the Y-axis is up and down. So obviously X-axis is political left and political right. And axes is plural mat.

Axis is singular. Oh, yeah. Excuse me. The political left is the left side of the left axis and the political right, the right side of the X-axis. This guy's so fucking dumb. Well, this is modeled after a New York magazine. Right.

The intelligence or like they have this thing where they're like brilliant, despicable or something like that. and then highbrow, lowbrow, where they just do, you know, television shows and news events and stuff up the week. Yes, that's right. That's right. So, yeah, and then, of course, on the y-axis,

the top is high-brow, at the bottom is low-brow. And he's put all sorts of different, quote, anti-Zionist cultural figures in here. So, for example, in the political left but low-brow quadrant, we see Hassan Piker. We see Mark Ruffalo. And then on the high-brow, And political...

Can I just point something out? Yes. Would you want to give the whole layout and then we'll go more granular? Well, I actually... We have a little game we're going to play after we introduce this. I mean, it's just ridiculous because Jank Yugar is to the left of Hassan Piker. And that's just not where it goes. And I don't think that Anna Kasparian is to the left of Mark Ruffalo.

And I don't think that... I don't think that Peter Bynard is to the left of Gabor fucking Mate. Yeah, that's crazy. But he is certainly more highbrow than Jank. I agree with that. But also more highbrow that, like, is that? My dad should be way off the spectrum on the left side. That's right.

And I think at the very top, the most highbrow, the most political left, is that Judith Butler? Judith Butler, yeah. And then below, yeah, that is just ridiculous. And Gabor is to the right of Rashida? Well, also to the. the left more leftist than gabor exactly and zoran is way to the left of gabor that's not true and then we have on the top right so the most right wing and the most highbrow is meersheimer why is he on the right wing and who is that steve wall who is that below him i don't know i probably walt is it stevealt

that's i i love it was maybe he's that's the entirety of the highbrow right wing is meersheimer and walt who wrote the israel lobby which fine. You know what? Whatever you want to say, bro, I mean, at this point, if he's putting, like, jank to the left of Gabor Mote,

he clearly has no real understanding of what left means, especially... I think Fuentes is, unmistakably, in the right place. Yeah, no, that's the easy one. Bottom right corner. Yeah, that's easy.

Yeah. Bottom feet or bottom right, yeah. Right. Then, you know, of course, you got your Marjorie Taylor Greens and you got your Candace Owens and you got your Tucker Carlson all in the political right and lowbrow. Fine.

I love. I really love how Gobber is like a centrist according to that. Yeah, I think I, to look into Adam Lewis Klein's brain and try to dissect it, I think is a mistake. But what I think is not a mistake is for us to look at that format and say, you're on to something, Mr. Adam, Louis. C. C. Cline. And we need to make our own. We are alch-a-holic on this podcast. That's right.

We are addicted to your sweet-sweet content. So we decided to make our own. This is our genocide matrix right here. Let me share my screen here. It's the same general idea. I want to just make sure that you guys can see it. It looks good. Is it visible? Yes, it is. Yeah, it's great. Okay. So the Y axis is the same, highbrow lowbrow.

Yes, but the X axis on the left is genocide with a crying emoji. So liberal Zionist. And to the right, to the right is genocide. Oh, right. So like the host of that show we just saw would be on the left side. And the Jewish power MP or MK member Kness would be on the right. Got it. That's right.

And there could plausibly be right to smack a dab in the center. of the X axis, a genocide with like a hmm emoji. Oh, yeah, that would be good. Or what about the, oh, yeah, the, I don't know. More research is needed. I don't know, you know, like. Oh, no, what about the smile? That's Jesse Brown.

That's Jesse Brown. The, like, cringe smile, like the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the big teeth. Nervous smile. Genocide, awkward. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But, yeah, so this is, and then high brow, lowbrow, same as before. Yeah. And now I think we need.

Can we actually drag them? Oh, yeah. I can drag them. And here's who we got. First, let's start, I think, with our boy, Alcatraz, as producer Adam has called him. Adam Louis Klein. Where do you think he? Alka Klein.

Alka Klein. Yeah, sure. I mean, honestly, if we're being, let's be completely honest. Highest brow and also the most crying. He shouldn't even be on this. No, I don't think he's crying at it. I think he's right. He's in the, hmm.

Like, what are you talking? He just deflects. He's in the genocise that make you go, hmm? Exactly. So that's around here then? But he's high-dow, guys. He's high-brow, guys. He's high-brow, okay?

I mean, but is he, I feel like there should be- He's a genius, Katie. But like, isn't there something that should happen to people who think? I hate when people think they're smarter than they are. It just drives me so crazy. We're going to see a lot of that in this particular demographic, Katie. So we're going to have to correct. we're going to have to adjust for

inflation. We'll adjust for ego inflation. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So we've got we got him on here. We all agree he's highbrow. I mean,

look at the first cut at it. Right. Yeah. Pop off in the comments. Let us know if you. This is great. We're not going to. Yeah.

All right. Now let's do. Are you being sponsored by Canva? I hope so. The student respecter. The student respecter, we have Mr. Shy Davy die. I mean, I mean, look, if I'm going to be completely honest,

he's kind of a lowbrow guy. He's, You think for a second he's going to be smart. He's in the school of business. Come on. Yeah, but he's not. He's... No, I'm saying he's not in the economy department. No offense to my business people.

But he is venturing, he is venturing forth with some entrepreneurial ideas. He's selling shirts now. Right. That's what I'm saying. It's kind of lowbrow. He's in the business realm, not the, you know, intellectual realm. Right. I mean, he's just not, he's just not a smart guy, you know, where it's like, Adam, fucking genius.

Adam Louis Klein, bro. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm saying about here. What do you guys think? Wait, you're saying that he's, you think he's more, okay, yes,

he's more genocide, enthusiastic, yes, than Alk. Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I just got confused as my axes. Okay. He's got more of a hard-on for, for Israeli virility and domination and all that.

Like, he's the kind of person who wanted a more badass craft ad. I think if we're looking at the site here as to who we can pick of all of these Who's that one below shy? I don't know who that is. Below shy.

That's Elsev's Lizzie Savetsky, baby. I don't think I know about her. You don't know Lizzie Savetsky? No. She's a former fired from Real Housewives lady who's made her entire thing

being pro-genocide. She is absolutely, I mean, if we're talking, I'm sorry, Lizzie, you know, obviously. Oh, no, I accidentally replace chai. Oh my God. Jews will not replace.

Yeah. Some Jews will replace other Jews. That's okay. You can replace Jews as other Jews. You just can't replace the go. Oh my God. You can't replace, I was about to say the G word. We should do an episode on that.

You can't replace Gentiles with Jews. You can't stop yourself from saying Goyem. Goyem, yeah. I have Goyem Touretz. Oh, Goyem. I'm putting, I'm putting Lizzie Savetsky here. I support that choice. Yeah, let's, I mean, she's, come on.

I don't know, guys. The main man, Michael Rappaport. He's the lowest brow right, right. Yeah, I think it's totally the, yeah, the bottom. He's as far right bottom as you can go. Exactly. All right. He's a bottom.

Let's do it. There he is. Hey, what's the, yo, it's me. A white guy who talks black. I'm tired of people trying to kill me. You think I'm lowbrow, I'll take it. You know what I'm not? Unibrow.

Vote out Zoron. Vote me in in 20208. Hey. I am in love with Dick Stain, Donald Trump. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, remember when he was lived out to it. All right. Sasha Baron Cohen, I'm sorry, but he is, I mean, he's pretty, I'm sorry.

He's brilliant. He is, but he's brilliant. I do think he's a brilliant. person, which does not make me okay with his positions on Israel. No, of course. I mean, you know, he wrote apparently a PhD at like Cambridge or Oxford, I think on black Jewish, like solidarity or something. I'm not saying what a Shauna. It's called Julia, Jha. Jha. That's right. He does say that as on the G. He's so good though. But yeah. So I kind of feel like because you don't really see him, I mean, I judge celebrities of his stature by their, by their

online presence. And because he is completely. silent. Not been that prolific. Right. So behind the scenes. But he goes higher. I would say, I would say he's highbrow.

I mean, he's so much smarter than Al. He was in Sweeney Todd. He was in Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd. Right. I guess it really depends on how we define highbrow. Right. Up at the brow.

Yeah. So I mean, look, he did, on the one hand, he has not come out and, you know, set a bunch of genocidal stuff. On the other hand, he has behind the scenes been responsible for a lot of witch hunting

in Hollywood. And, you know, the acquisition of TikTok by the Ellisons as well, in which he was, you know, had a hand in advocating for. So, you know, I'm putting him sort of in the middle of between... Closer to the crying. Yeah, he's closer to the crying because he's not... He's closer than anyone else, I would say, yeah. I'm sure he says some, like, pseudo-send... That's a question of liberal.

He's in the liberal Hollywood class. Yeah, he is, yeah. He's in the liberal. Hollywood class. Well, speaking of which, look at this dumb ass. She's just too dumb to... Oh my gosh. What did she tweet the other day about Palestinianism

coming from the Russians? But she spelled it Palestinian. But she spelled it Palestinian. Well, she shatter... You know what she does? She does the work because she shatters the stereotype that we're smarter than everyone's. Yeah. Yeah.

Honestly, it is kind of amazing. Good on her. Messing with the program. She should be on the right. She should be all the way on the right. In terms of genocide. Like, I don't... Has she experienced. She does. She is,

no, but she's very, um, she's very, I mean, listen, ever since fucking, uh,

Zoran Mamdani, she's become more and more closer to this side. But like, post October 7th for a while there, she was doing a lot of like, yes, Palestinians are evil.

And we have to kill them, but I'm sad about it. So I don't know where she is. I would say she'd be, I don't think she's to the left of, um, uh, Shy.

Not to left of shy. I feel like saying. I would put her right below him. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely below. But above Lizzie. You know?

Yeah. Respect where respect is due. Eric Adams. I mean, I think where, God, is he, there needs to be like an extra zone, I think, for people who's like, their brain isn't like fully firing on all cylinders. So you're like. Yeah. Put him lowbrose.

Or more cylinders than we can even understand. Yeah. And that is Steve Walt, by the way. Sorry, I called him Walt's Walt. Yeah, I think he goes there. I mean, sorry, there was a call back to him before about Walt. I figured it out. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It was Stephen M. Walt. Yeah. All right. Now we have, of course, our boy, our short king, Ben Shapiro. I mean, he's definitely. By the way, can I just say, if he's so proud of being Jewish, he needs to wear a yarmaca that is different in color from his hair color i know right it's like why are you trying to blend in so much mr diaspora or you're trying to he's not that highbrow but

he is so short that we need to give him a little boost so just put him on a little ladder and but he's definitely on the right side of the genocide good genocide give me more drink you know give me more blood to drink yeah um all right this fucking guy if that's libel then Then lead me, baby. Here's Benjamin Netanyahu. I mean, I'm going to say he's probably, he's probably around there. Yeah. And.

Yeah, you barely see him. Well, he's middle brow because, look, he might be a lumbering fool, but he's also, you know, the head of state. I don't think he's a lumbering fool. I think he's disgustingly like, smarmy. Swarmie. Sweet. What is it? Smarmy.

you had smarming. As long as you don't say swarthy. Yeah, I know. Smarmie. Yeah, yeah. I think I was thinking of Shwarma. Yeah, yeah, smarmy. Because, you know, it's so indigenous to Ashkenazis.

And now the 1099 employee himself, Alon Levy, the citizen spokesperson for his accent alone, his accent alone raises the brow. Exactly. Yeah. Well, you know, he's, he's, um, this guy is such a liar that he got fired from, uh, how, how much of a liar is he? he got fired from being a Israel spokesperson. Yeah, for the prime minister office.

Do you understand how dishonest you have to be to get fired over that? Yeah, it is crazy. When you're too dishonest for Israel. Yeah. It's only because he lied to like a Tory MP. Right. Yeah, he didn't know when to stop lying and a bit him in the ass. I mean, he is, let's say, I mean, this is a thing.

In his mind, he's a very highbrow guy. But in the reality, he set up a. podium that says citizen spokesperson and he is no longer a spokesperson for literally anyone. So I got to put him in the lowbrow. Well, it's like citizen journalist, citizen spokesperson, not actual, yeah. I love, yeah, you know, I never made that connection before. Gorilla, gorilla spokesperson, yeah. That's exactly what he's doing.

He's like, you know, a citizen journalist, but instead it's a citizen who does propaganda. Exactly, yeah. I don't know why I never put that together. Pro bono liar. He's rogue. He's rogue. God, we got to find There's no left

You know, there's just like, where's the Israeli left guys? Chaya Wright-Chick, this is the Libs of TikTok. Oh my gosh, she's just an idiotous. She's somewhere near Rap and Bile person. Yeah, yeah. The less said about her, the better. Yeah, there's Mrs. Libbs, putting them right on top of his face.

Oh, Brandon himself. Oh, God. Brandon is another one where it's it's tough to know exactly where he He barely has brows Yeah and we don't know where he stands because he can barely stay erect So let's see Or awake Or awake

He is I think he's also midbrow Because he's head of you know he's someone in former head of state But he's not a good student as we know and he lied about it Which makes him even lower brow I think he is to The left of shy but is he to the right

of Eric Adams? I don't know. Well, I think for Joe actually Brandon, we would need to split him up into it because there's different versions of them right. He's got different personalities. That's right. But you know what he never wants you to forget.

Right, exactly. There's another side of him that would fund it to the teeth. Well, there's one side of him that forgets that there were no beheaded babies and then there's another side of him. See, I always thought he was lying but I actually think he probably just kept forgetting. Like that the beheaded babies thing had been hung.

Keep forgetting. No babies got beheaded. Keep forgetting. All that shit was made up by the Jews. Sorry. That sounds like a great song. We are almost done. I'm putting two brandons on because who knows.

The mirror has two brandons. Yes. Ugh. Sinking of Streisand movies. Remember he said that Jews would be really unsafe without a, Israel. That was so, that was so,

at the White House Hanukkah party in, what a cool president. So comforting. He was like, let me be clear, guys, I won't protect you. Exactly.

Now, in my day, there were, you know, there were cool taller black kids who would, who would come to your protection. I mean, there was a guy called cornpop.

And he, uh, was a mean guy, man, but whenever he saw anti-Semitism, he'd put a post-it in front of, in front of the anti-Semitism. He would caress my golden leg hairs.

Mm-hmm. Remember he talked about that? It's so insane. Yeah, Batya, I mean, look, Batya is for sure to, you know what's interesting there is... No, she's lowbrow by her own estimation. All right, she's aspiring lowbrow. She's aspiring lowbrow, you know, she's trying to get as low, how low can you go? Right.

And she's very, and she's very genocidal. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's because that's where the masses are. Yeah. You know, the working class don't have the privilege of not being genocidal, like the coastal elites. Batia and Shia. Both, I think, the same energy, except for Batya is a little bit more scared. Chaya, I think, is just so dumb that she's Michael Rapaport, essentially.

Whereas, like, Batia, like, knows exactly what she's doing, and she's choosing to be this level of both lowbrow and genocidal. And, of course, I mean, look, we got, how I mean, look at this. Danielle White, first of all, class act. Class act. She's multicultural, but it's just a killer, yeah. We're putting there because she's, you know, she's highbrow. I think we all agree that she's a classy dame. She's a classy dame.

There is nothing like. She's out here doing ethnic cleansing the way any good Nana does. You know what I'm saying? This Zadie knows how to kill. Luck be a settler tonight. Yeah. Poor boobby. This boobby knows how to kill.

I'm on her ethnically cleanses. that Palestinian right out of my lair? Yeah. That was good. Thank you. And then we have two more you guys, because yes, we have to do them all. Oh, no.

Pierce. We'll do them all real quick. Galgado, I say, I don't know. He, here's, she's highbrown. I don't think she's highbrow. Oh, Galgado? The wondrous woman? The wondrous woman.

I think she's got to be below the midline, the vertical line personally. All right. All right. But what about Pierce? Pierce and crumpets. Well, he certainly plays the highbrow, and he certainly plays the tears.

He's way on the tears side. Oh, yeah, he does, yeah. I think he's here. I mean, and every now and then he'll, like, argue, like, that, you know, they should probably, if they know how many civilians they've killed. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly.

So I think he might be the most to the left. Yeah, he is, by far of any other person. Yeah, he is Hamas. He's basically Hamas, relatively speaking. He is low brow, though, because, I mean, look at his show. His show is essentially just shaking the ant farm and making them fight. I mean, you say that to someone who has been one of the ants. You're one of the ants.

You're married to an ant, and you're brothered to an aunt. That's right. All of these people have been on the Jerry Springer show. I mean, the Pierce Morgan program. The Pierce Morgan show. And this guy, I think I put him wherever there's, I don't know, an underage girl. so let's say Middlebrow

You know I went to high school with the brother of the young girl Shoshana or whatever he did? Oh yeah? Yeah. And then finally Van Jones You know what? I'm going to do us all a favor. I deleted Van Jones. We don't need to rape Van Jones

because I mean You just got rid of the cool black kid who's trying to protect us. I know why can you do that? What are you doing? Without Van Jones, we wouldn't know that wearing a kofia in certain areas of like in Los Angeles, it's just like wearing a Confederate flag in Harlem.

You got to put him top left. Top left. Top left. Because, you know, he still pretends. Oh, wait a second. He did the dead baby, dead baby's dead baby, dead gossip baby, dead gossip baby, right? I know. That was one of his hits.

I know. That was him trying to be based or whatever. But he still is on CNN. He's a serious commentator. And he's sad about them being. And he's sad about them. even they're more than they they're a punchline but not just a punchline that's right that's right that's right so yeah i mean i think that's a good place for them Palestinian kids i think we did colon a roller coaster of emotion that's right i cried yeah it's a beautiful book written by van jones um guys i think

this is our list this is our uh genocidal matrix and uh adam uh our adam not bad adam uh good adam Levin will be putting this online and we'll make sure that people know this is this is how we feel about the Zionists in our midst so maybe offended none of us made his list by the way I know oh it's it's not it's Ashanda we don't even want to talk about we never make lists Katie that's just how it is for all of us it's safer for Jews not to be on list let's be honest that's true but sometimes unless it's chinlers that's the one good list I want to make a remake of that movie said in the the aughts called it Schindler's Listical. That's fun.

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