Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 184: What About Bobsled, with Moe Tkacik

Episode Date: February 24, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by journalist Moe Tkacik to talk American hockey gelt, Tuck Cucking Huck, and the Israeli bobsled team reenacting the first 5 minutes of Ferris Bueller's Day Off, to less spectacular effect.Please donate to Children in Conflict: https://www.childreninconflict.org/Moe Tkacik at the American Prospect: https://prospect.org/author/maureen-tkacik/BAD HASBARA LIVE IN LOS ANGELES APRIL 12 AT SCRIBBLE: https://bit.ly/badhasbaralaNew Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

So that's right. Ramadan Mubarak and welcome to Bad Hezbarah. That's right. My name is Matt Lebe. I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast. I'm Daniel Mette. Fucking shivering from the cold. Are you wearing two?

Was that two beanies or one was the hoodie? No, that was the hood of the jacket. I like it. Plus a beanie, plus a scarf. I'm going to take it. take the jacket off. Yeah. Sorry.

It's freezing out there. You're in New York. It's, uh, there's a, a blizzard. Yeah, like 18 inches of snow or some shit. I've never seen anything like this or at least not since my Montreal days. It's, uh, it's really something. It's, and it's still coming down. It's been, it's been snowing for 24 damn hours.

That's crazy. That, that honestly seems like a lot of fun. Can you like, can you, can you toboggan or sled or? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, you know, and today's actually a school day for the kiddies. Hopefully the snow, Oh, but isn't it a snow day? Didn't they call off school or something?

Yeah, yeah. It's an old school snow day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mom Dany pandering to the six-year-old voters. Fucking A, dude. That's how, that's this called clientelism. You know, he's just trying to, he's just trying to electioneer this by getting all the six-year-olds to remember who he is in 12 years and vote for him for governor. Well, it's cold in New York, but it is warm here at the podcast.

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not to tickets to see some dumb show, not to, you know, Patreon bonus content. No, please give it to childreninconflict.org. go to children in conflict.org now. Click the link. It is in the show description. Daniel, what's the spin? I got this record, which really surprised me. It didn't know it exists.

It's wonderful. This is Cat Power sings Dylan. This is Cat Power, American singer-songwriter, recreating the entire live 1966 Manchester Free Hall classic Dylan and the band concert. So she does every single song, the acoustic set, electric set.

Wow. And it's beautiful. So it's like a cover of a live show? It's a cover of an entire, she went on tour and did this concert, like a cover of a famous concert. Wow. That is amazing.

And she did it, I think, at Royal Albert Hall, which people miss assigned to that historical concert. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Great, great double record. And then I was like, well, who else do I have, you know, like one artist doing an entire album covering the other? All I could think of was Jennifer Warren's. famous blue raincoat, the songs of Leonard Cohen.

She sang backup on a number of songs. She's the one who sings, you know, she's the female voice on I had the time of my life. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love it with her and one of the righteous brothers, the tall one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Love that guy.

So this has first we take Manhattan and ain't no cure for love and so many, it's great and really recommend it. So then I was like, okay, so what else do I have in my collection of female artists covering Ashkenazi, Jewish songwriters. And I got nothing, but I sure have a lot of women writing their own songs, so that's the rest of it. All right. All right. Really cool singer-songwriters here. That for Lashes. I think she's from the UK, beautiful debut album called Fur and Gold. Okay. P.J. Harvey, rid of me.

Great from the early 90s. Yes. Mitzki, very, very musical, like, musically trained and gifted singer-songwriter, very sophisticated stuff. We had a few on Apple last time I got it had to do Fetch the Bolt Cutters from the her pandemic air album. Just a terrific album. A few more on the hip hop side of things, Bahamadilla

affiliated with the roots from Hell yes. I love Bahamadia. Yeah. Wordplay is one of my favorite songs that you does. Yeah, that's on here. Yeah. And what else is on there? You know how we do? You know how we do? Love that. Spontaneity. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That explosive spontaneity. Yeah. Erica Badu, Mama's Gun, her best album, I think. Yeah. And what's this? Karen Dalton, in my own time, totally distinctive voice. This is from the late 60s, early 70s. Really, really cool.

She covers When a Man Loves a Woman on here, and it's like a total transformation of that. Hell yeah. As an Otis Redding song. Anyway, great. I don't know who wrote When a Man Loves a Woman. So not Michael Bolton? No, I think, no, definitely not.

Well, egg on my face. That's right. Egg in my curly locks. Exactly, making them shine. And finally, three singer-songwriters teaming up together to form the supergroup boy genius. Hame. Oh, no. No, not Hame.

That would be very funny. None of these got murked in the latest PTA movie. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, this is Julianne Baker, Phoebe Breedges, and Lucy Dacus really all talented in their rights. And when they get together, it's a whole lot of town. I didn't know that they made a supergroup out of them. Yeah, Boy Genius.

That's their debut EP. They also have a full length album. I love it. So that is what's spinning in the Mate household. Before we bring on the guest, Daniel, was there something else that you wanted to bring up? This quick, quick update on something we covered. a week ago with Molly Crabapple. That's right.

This is, you know, file under, we'll get fooled again. Oh, that's sick. Hell yeah. As those who, for those who tuned in, got completely rooked by a listener of ours, who I won't name, but who created an AI,

you know, MAGA country style song about the glorious men and women of the IDF. Seferical. in like such a heavy-handed way that it's amazing that Fould got fooled. And so obviously AI. Yeah. You know, and this is like a lot of listeners, like the listeners were split between

OMG, this AI song is the best and OMG, this AI song is the worst. And I feel you on both counts. It's terrible. It was a burner though. Producer Adam, you're absolutely right. It was a burner. So this is the follow up. Hillaw Fool took to Facebook to.

tell the whole story as a cautionary tale. Yes. It's very, very long. I don't have the whole thing here. I left out some of it. But this is just some highlights from Hillel Fools's getting fooled war stories here. How an anti-Semite used AI to almost ruin my name. Twice.

Fools me twice. Haleel fooled me twice. Shame on me. This is great. Yeah. Boy, do I? I have a story. Yeah, fool me once.

Shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times. Kill all the Palestinians. Yeah. Fool, do I have a story for you? He says, I was duped again last night. Dupped is an interesting word to use.

Yeah. Consider the one that says a, you know, homonym to maybe your name. That's right. Who is more a fool, the dup or the dup who dupes him? A few days ago got an email from a stranger. it said, and then he quotes the email, which we've already got, we've already summarized, which was, you know,

but it was actually really funny because the wording is like, huh, my name's Brantley Baskins, I'm from Texas, I love everything you do. I created a song just for you. And like, it's this, you know, it's well crafted.

Anyway, I listened to the song and it was nice. And the shout out he gave me, like in the lyrics was super cool. Oh, that's cool. All right. So just to be clear, the lyrics that he's calling nice

included lines like boom boom goes the mosque oh well the losers in Gaza can go straight to hell we'll starve them and liquidate all that hate sometimes to make an omulet you got to break a lot of bones a lot of family trees to make a glorious homeland for you and me

this is the original version he's calling nice those are nice dude that's nice that's super nice bro noise noise so I shared the link across my channels he thanked me profusely and I went on with my day thinking I'd never hear from him again. Then yesterday I got another email from him. And this is the email where he said, oh my God,

Ban Camp took it down for no reason. So I made a different version. And here it is. Okay. Anyway, Hillel says, last night as I was, and of course, he posted the second one as well. Yeah.

Which was even more overtly fucking genocidal. That one was. It even said free Palestine, isn't it? Right. Yes. That one was straight up. Like it broke cave.

at that point, you're like, do you not understand words? Because it was straight up just like, hey, just kidding about the last song, you're a bitch, free Palestine. Yeah. We also don't understand that there's a lot of people out here who hate you and think you're a monster.

Right, right. And we'd love to see you look forward. But he was just like, yeah, cool, another one. That's right. Last night, as I was preparing to go to sleep, my ex account starts blowing up. Long pointy sleeping. And candle-ass motherfucker.

Yeah, he's like that, he's that sleepy bear on the cover of the Celestial Seasonings Camamile Tea packets. Yes. People were sending me tons of tweets that said the song I shared was anything but pro-Israel and the calls for death

to the IDF calls Gaza a genocide and my shout-out was anything but nice. I was very confused. So I went back to the link he sent and sure enough the original song I shared which was pro-Israel was swapped out for a new horrible anti-Semitic song. The original song that you shared was also, I mean, was also according to you,

anti-Semitic. Yeah, exactly. It was the same, except it didn't, it didn't have a big sticker plastered on it being like, this is satire, which the second one did, and you still didn't get into it. Yes. I was very confused. Okay, there we go. I of course immediately deleted it and wrote him to ask WTF. Of course, he didn't respond, but I was deeply, disturbed by what it just transpired. I can imagine. This lunatic created an AI song, uploaded it to the site, created a whole profile, and

drafted the email he knew I'd respond to. He knew I'd definitely help a small artist who was pro-Israel. Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. This was in fucking Hannibal Lecter not being able to throw away fucking messages from the tooth fairy because they had compliments in them.

Yeah, that's right. He's just like, no, this isn't Judge Doom, you know, being like, well, I can't resist hearing a song about me. It's just so clear. It's like, you knew I would respond to it because it had a compliment about me. He then swapped out the good song for the horrible one. No.

And without me knowing, I had shared his song that calls Israelis murderers and other horrible things. The other one did too. You're just too stupid. Last night when I couldn't sleep, I kept replaying this story in my head. And the more I thought about it, the clear it became that this lunatic had done this once before and just like this time I fell for that one too. Dude, this is...

Finally, who does that? And twice. Who falls for it twice, man? Wait, oh yeah. Wait. He had passed for him. I never thought it could happen to me. That he said.

Wait, when he says who does that and twice, is he talking about himself? No. No, no, he means the guy, the psycho who did this. Oh, this great. I love it when he thought it wasn't satire.

When he thought it was real, he was super okay with all of the violent imagery against Palestinian. Boom, boom, boom, goes the mosque. Yeah, he was like, well, yeah, that's sick.

I love that. Yeah. And then the part about human shields and, you know, it was perfect. All I keep thinking is how to prevent this from happening again, because surely they'll do this again. Do I have to verify every single email

I get asking me for help? That would take hours and hours every day. Do I really stop trusting anyone until I can prove their identity? I mean, if I had stopped and done some due diligence, it would have been clear that this person was fake. Or listened to the song from a non-Israeli point of view. Whoever this is definitely did their research

and used their findings to manipulate me to promote their poisonous song. Nope, it's super easy to do this. Super, super easy. No research needed. That's right. Just he just had to know your name. And the last sentence is so funny

because it's basically like, I can't let this happen and again, but it probably will. He says, my conclusion is that I have to be more careful, but then again, that was my conclusion last time, too. Wow. Wow. Oh my God. Fooled thrice. Dude, this is, this is incredible. Like, there's, there's such a, I don't know, it's like, being Israeli should be classified in the DSM6, you know what I mean? Like, just being completely unable to understand how you could be

maybe saying a lot about yourself by saying one version of the song in which it was taken at face value is totally fine but the other version is evil and bad and how dare you? And it's the capacity to be utterly credulous about the most obvious bullshit and utterly incredulous in the face of obvious truth. Yes, yes, completely, completely.

It's like you at no point do any introspection as to the fact that maybe your defense mechanisms go up as soon as it's not your point of view. It's just wild. It's wild. Beautiful. So shout out to the guy who made that. Where self-awareness goes to die.

Yeah. Yeah. Really incredible. Incredible stuff, Daniel. Incredible stuff. Listeners. Hey, listeners. Bless you.

You're doing God's work. Truly. The fact that in any. way that this can this is one of our listeners who did this it just makes me proud. It makes me proud of what we've built here. You know what I mean? That's right.

So now we need to get on to our guest and I'm very excited about our guest. Our guest is the Investigations Editor at the American Prospect ladies and gentlemen and everyone else. Welcome to the podcast Motusack.

Hey. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being had. Yeah. That was an incredible story, and I'm so proud of your listeners. So the Gropers don't bother with these guys. Because if you went on, did anybody watch the Turning Point halftime show? No.

I've only seen clips. Nobody took a peek. The kiss my fish song? Yeah, I just want to fuck my fish. Like, I only remember that. But, uh, no. I just went on for like 30 seconds just to see what was going on. Sure.

It's just this big live stream of comments. And half of them are God bless Israel. Like, it's just groipers, you know. They're not bringing their best. Like the groypers really did send their best to the Tucker Carlson, Ted Cruz interview. I haven't seen them in the comments on here. But I'm surprised they're not calling themselves goypers at this point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm glad they are, actually. I haven't checked. But it's also like anybody who spouts Zionist talking points on Facebook, you know, you look at them and, oh, wow, they don't, this isn't a real person. My husband, when he comes home, he's a chef, he works really long hours. and every night he comes home and he spends like half an hour arguing with bots on Facebook about Israel. Oh no.

You got to stop them. I know this really well. Well, after, you know, I've watched the bear. You know, after a long, long shift in a toxic environment like that, you really just need to decompress and get some, you know, some fresh air. You need a much more healthy, you know, place to detoxify, which is right. You need an outlet. Yeah.

It's, yeah, it's not, it's not a great ritual, but, um, sometimes you just need to let it out. It's like, just like draining out some of that poison. But I tell you, like the, the amount of people on Facebook especially who fall for like AI, everything is, it just come to the point where I, I fear for the rest of the world. because I'm like, how many of these people are real who are just completely unable to distinguish reality from, I don't know, a picture of Jesus as a bunch of different shrimps?

You know, and if you're unable to live in reality, what will that say for the future of our current reality? That's the question I was having that thought with a Mar-a-Lago shooter yesterday. Yeah, what is that story? So the Mar-Lago, someone came to Mar-Lago armed? He's like a golf course artist. He's like, he does these paintings.

Of course, it's like a courtroom sketch art. Yeah, it's like a courtroom sketch artist, except for all of the defendants are golfing. That's right. It's the same subject, but in a golf. What a depressing. And speaking of that, wondering, what have you been investigating, what you've been reporting on, what weeds have you been getting lost in? What's, what's, can you share, can you, do you have anything breaking soon, any scoops, anything you give us hints about? Well, one small rabbit

hole that I've been going down recently is, um, over this document I found in the Epstein files. Um, it's funny because a friend of mine was looking, she was looking up MBZ, um, in the Epstein files, totally natural thing to search. Yeah, MBZ. Well, she was looking for the, you know, arrival of MBS. But there's also Mort Zuckerman. I don't, I forget what his middle name is,

but Mort Zuckerman's initials are MBZ. And Mort Zuckerman's got personal, financial documents all over Epstein files because in 2013 he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and who's he go to? The only man he could trust. Jeffrey Epstein. You're like, what the fuck? And he's like, what do I do?

I want to commit some crimes. I'm going to forget them all anyways. Might as well live immorally. Yeah, the eternal sunshine of the spotless moral conscience. So he, he pays like $30 million or $21 million or more. maybe $51 million. I'm not sure. To a bunch of,

apparently Jeffrey owns a database company at this point to get his trust in order. Because J.P. Morgan, to whom he apparently referred Mort in the first place, has been totally fucking up his estate. And everything needs to be done over again, or at least that's what Jeffrey says. But I'm thinking, you know, I'm going in there. And one of the things that's interesting is that Mortzuckerman owned the Philadelphia Daily News is a newspaper that I used to work for.

The New York Daily News used to be the highest circulation daily newspaper in America. And Mort Zuckerman bought it in 1992 out of bankruptcy court after Robert Maxwell fell off his yacht. He had just purchased it a few months earlier. He fell off accidentally. He accidentally after he got a heart attack or no. This is Jislane Maxwell's father, who was also known as the Israel super spy, right? Yes. And then he accidentally died.

And one of his friends speculated that he'd gone out to piss out the side of the yacht late at night, and he just lost his balance. Yeah, it happens. Tale is oldest time. So anyway, Zuckerman had purchased this. newspaper, it's gone through what all the newspapers have gone through, but in, you know, 20, Epstein's advice is you got to sell this thing right away. And his, they end up sort of, you know, fucking around for a while, saying they're going to sell it and then not selling it. And they end up selling it for a dollar. And the sale includes this large 25 acre parcel of waterfront

land in New Jersey. And you're like, man, that's got. ought to be worth more than a dollar. I wonder what that's about, you know? And it's just one of these things where we'd seen, um, uh, we'd seen Les Wexner, you know,

still can't really understand why Les Wexner, you know, who does not have Alzheimer's is, you know, perfectly lucid. He's lucid enough to hear it when his lawyer whispers if you say another fucking word, I'll kill you.

Oh, yeah. Right. But this lead, this led me to another document that, from a guy who, and this is just so classic, it's a document, there's a few documents about this guy named James Hat. I think he was under investigation by the DOJ.

Do we have a non-Jewish name in the house, finally? Jesus Christ. Yeah, wait, how do you spell Hat? It's not C-H-A-T, is it? Hot, no. No. Hat with two T's. James Hat was under Foreign Corrupt Practices Act investigation.

He's a British intelligence officer who I think was stationed at cable and wireless, like a telecom company. And he was assigned to go to Russia and, you know, the Soviet Union and just sort of figure out how stuff worked. And how are we going to privatize that shit, you know? Mr. Hat. So Mr. Hat. Mr. Hat. He worked under Mr. Garrison, also part of MI5. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Mr. Had is a spy. He's not going to answer that question. There's some. absolute gems in here. And one of them is, you know, basically the guy explains, like, I met Galane Maxwell and her brother when right after her father died. And the thing is that, you know, he fell off this yacht, whatever, he died. And then the, they, she is, is rushed off to the Canary Islands to identify his body and ship it to Israel because he has to be buried in Jerusalem. Right.

And she brings a daily mirror reporter with her because he owned the Daily Mirror that was part of his media empire. He had this big and incredibly over-leveraged media empire because she couldn't write anything herself. So she needed somebody to write the eulogy, blah, blah, blah. And this guy says, I was looking for it. At one point she disappeared, I was looking for it. And she's like throwing documents off the side.

of the yacht, telling everyone to shred anything they find. All right. You know, so, so, so they find those documents in the nearest Palestinian orphanage. We need them destroyed. They, they find very shortly that there's 1.4 billion pounds missing from this, this media empire that Maxwell controlled. You know, where did it go? Nobody knows it's a mystery that. I'm missing 1.4 billion? Yeah, 1.4 billion pounds.

And they never really figured out where it was, but her older brother, Kevin, went on trial in 1996, and somehow he beat the charges. He just doesn't know. Well, this guy, this is one of the enduring sub-mystries of the Epstein scandal. This guy says he had hidden it with this Latvian, Bulgarian mobster named Gregory Luchansky. And Gregory Luchanski was, and that they are doing now, they're sort of in debt to Luchansky for the rest of their lives.

And Galane is doing sort of favors for him. So she's doing a little money laundering, but also she's procuring hoars for certain Russian generals and then like Latvian businessmen. And she's really good at that because she's just a freaking nymphomaniac. and, you know, he talks about how she was trying to, you know, she was trying to hit on him, but also set her up with, what do you like, little boys, little girls, I can get it all. You know, and he's explaining this. And this is like, just to be, so this is Mr. This is Mr. Hat explaining this? This is Mr. Hat saying this stuff, right?

I haven't been able to, you know, track him down. His lawyer hasn't called me back, but, you know, this document is in there. And for anyone who's concerned about the language, it's okay. They don't call them sex workers in Latvia. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Latvia's not as woke as you.

No, they were slaves. They were just literally sold. I mean, that's what he talks about, too. He's like, yeah, you know, during that time, there were a lot of people who were just buying Russian girls. There's one guy who died in Long Island, you know, as a Swiss guy. He named some people, and you're like that, you know,

I can't track down everything. But he says that they're working for this guy, Luchansky, and also and Epstein's a friend of Luchensky's and they kind of work together and money like you know Launder money, each other's money But that Epstein was getting

all this money out of the New York Daily News Which is funny because then as now The Daily News is supposed to be hemorrhaging money Oh my gosh, running a newspaper So, you know, unsustainable in journalism It really shouldn't exist because it can't support itself Yada yada

And you know This was certainly the probably the most scrutinized bankruptcy in the world and this was like an enormous story for five years in the british press they were following every little you know if i it's sort of shocked me to think that like somehow the money you know geoffrey epstein would find you know the the the the the shigot inside this you know labyrinthine um uh network of shell companies that they were using to hide Maxwell's money, which he'd taken out of the pension funds of the mirror staff, by the way. And at the same time, so that was really interesting that they'd sort of found some sort of mechanism for taking money out of the New York Daily News and relevant because, you know,

Jeffrey Epstein also offered his services, his, of funding to the scheme to bankrupt Gawker, where I used to work, RIP. Oh, so this is personal for you. I get it now. And but then I started, you know, looking into this guy Lutschensky, who they were supposedly all working for. And he was the big oligarch. He was a business partner of Mark Rich. He sort of run Latvia for a long time. And I guess Latvia's port is really important in terms of selling oil, doing kind of off the books, oil transactions. But the big, he got invited, and according to Mr. Hatt, Galang got this set up, he was invited to meet with Bill Clinton in 1993, and then he got invited to this $20,000 plate DNC fundraiser, Natch.

But he had to be disinvited because the Washington Times got a hold of this. And they were like, oh, check out who's going the DNC fundraiser. And so they disinvited him. And when they disinvited him, they created another scandal about how the DNC had gotten access to this top secret classified report on who this guy Gregory Lucensky was because he was literally like, you know, public enemy number one, at least in the Russian. And the reason they were so fearful of him was because they suspected, I guess the intelligence community suspected Luchansky of selling nuclear secrets and possibly material to Iran. And I just thought that was kind of interesting because it's like, wait, what he actually did? What if he did? Just so that, you know, like that, like how, how like, I mean, I thought at first, well, I mean, he's freaking, you know, hardcore Zionist.

He's kind of part of this like. Luchensky is? Undergrowth. Yes, he was a, in fact, he said that the entire, the entire, because there was a sort of witch-hound. around him where there was a lot of intrigue about this guy. William Sapphire wrote this like breathless column about him. Are you about to say that he called this all anti-Semitism? Is that what you're about to tell me? It's on his website. Yeah. He's also, you know what this guy's doing now? He's an economist, but his specialty now is longevity. I love that. I love when people. He's shown

longevity. This guy is still around. People love to pivot to what if you could leave forever? Because it's Keep being the shitty person I am. Exactly. Well, look, you just landed that plane in a place where it brings together a lot of different news stories that are happening now. You know, war with Iran, the collapse of the media and the emergence of, you know, alternative places where journalism can happen. We'll be covering that in a second. Secret DNC reports. We're also going to be covering that.

Where do you want to go first? I think we need to go first to the place where. everyone expects us to go first. We're going to do ball-haspara again. I love Israel. Give me all your tax money, but I can buy weapons. Should that be ball?

So this is not a specific basketball story, but I need to use the bumper anyways. Because all sports. All sports are basketball. They're all ball. That's right. No, we're going to be talking about the Israeli.

bobsled team being disqualified from the Olympics according to the Times of Israel, according to all of our favorite, you know, Hasbara journalistic

institutions like Jerusalem Post or Times of Israel. They're all reporting the same thing in this very specific language, which is Israel disqualifies its own Olympic bobsleigh team for lying to officials.

So this is a fascinating story. When I first saw this headline, I immediately tweeted out something along lines of like, it is physically impossible for an Israeli to follow international rules. And being fired by their own governing body for lying makes them the A-Loan levy of sports team. Yeah, speaking. He's the Husbarist who got fired by the Israeli government for lying about... For lying too much. For lying too much about civilian casualties and hospitals, which then maybe they'll go do

bobsledding in their backyard or something, the way he set up a civilian spokesperson office in his basement. That's right. He's like, well, just because you fired me, it doesn't mean I quit. And, of course, Alon was incredibly sympathetic to this bobsled team. He actually quote tweeted my tweet, making fun of it. And he said, there's something incredibly poetic about the Israeli team. getting disqualified because checks notes.

They wanted to make sure their droosy teammate could also take part. Yeah. So now we need to get into the reasons. So we're going to read a little bit of the... What if you did something bad but for a really good reason? Right. What if, yeah, what if you lied wokely? They were actually being two morals.

Yeah, no, they went broke. They went woke and they went broke. Exactly. Yes. They went woke and of course they went broke. And here is sort of the story around that. And there's just so many questions that I have and I love it all. So Israel disqualifies their own Bob, their own Bob, over alleged faked illness.

What about Bob? What about my Bob? So Israel withdrew their four-man bobsled team ahead of the final two Olympic runs on Sunday because it reportedly aimed to change a team member by faking an illness. The Times of Israel said it was told by the nation's Olympic Committee, OCI. It disqualified the team from competing after one of its athletes lied to the Olympic officials in order to allow their teammate ward Fawarza. Fawarse, to compete in their stead.

under the competition rules, a team member can only be exchanged if another is ill or injured. The OCI said that Yuri Zizman went for a medical examination and also signed an affidavit so that alternate ward could take his place. The report quoted the OCI as saying that Zizman later, as saying that Zizman later, quote, admitted to the head of the delegation that he had acted improperly. This forced the Olympic Committee of Israel to withdraw the request and disqualify the move. So, to be clear, Zisman, after lying, went to the Olympic delegation and then said, actually, no, I'm not sick. I was lying about that. I mean, look, I would have done the same thing if I was Israeli, you know, reporting a misdeed to a commanding officer is usually grounds. for promotion and getting decorated.

That's true. I thought he would get a medal for it. Consequences. Yes. So it says the OCI said that the team's behavior was, quote, improper and goes against fair and sportsman-like conduct. Pilot A.J. Edelman confirmed the withdrawal,

as they're calling. Again, withdrawal is the question here. On Instagram, after the team had placed 24th on Saturday without giving full details. fourth of how many? I'm going to take guess. Oh, it's like 26, right? Yeah, it was 24.

They were dead last. Yes. Oh, oh, my God. Yeah, no, dead last, literally dead last. No, I think that I saw fake news on that, I swear. Oh, it's possible. It's possible. Given that our placement going to the final run was all but predetermined,

it was more important to us that our alternate could have the opportunity to compete in the Olympics. The team moved to make the replacement. said, but circumstances under which we made the substitution did not meet the bar that allows a team to make a change and we withdrew from the final run. That's a lot of words to say we lied. Yeah. So just to finish us off, while we are sorry that this will not end for all of us in the way we had hoped, we are proud of the history we made for Israel.

Okay. So, just to be clear, to try to understand. this because it is actually kind of hard to understand. They lied about one of the teammates Zisman being sick in order to have this guy Ward

who is Drusy. I think it's pronounced Druze. Is it Drews? See, I figured it was, but I just, you know, Drews or Jews it just sounds the same. So, you know, point is Drew's. He is Drews and they wanted

him to be represented on the team because he was their alternate alternate can only be on the team if someone is injured or sick fine okay so that's the premise area area b of the team's uh yeah well no no no Drews are citizens of it no but what's interesting about this is they were like okay we really want our alternate uh this guy who is Drew's to be uh you know to do one run with us an understandable thing right they lie about it in order to get this to happen They then immediately say they lied about it to the body of people, the OCI, this is Israel's, you know, Olympic committee, who then automatically has to disqualify them so that they can't actually do the run. So the question is, why the fuck did they do any of this?

someone tried to explain this to me. It's either the Olympic committee was like, hell no, you're not integrating the team before the run. So you guys are going to be disqualified by us. Or the Olympic bobsled team was like all about doing it. All about like, and then they were like, you know what? No, let's not do this.

Instead, let's disqualify ourselves and say that, that it was because of racism. Yeah, it seems to me that it's more likely to be that. It's like, guys, if we go through with this and place last, we're going to look like absolute fools. We're not going out like that. Let's go out like... Like his real Israelis.

Like the most moral, bobslayers. It's... Bob Slayers. Yeah. It makes no sense. No, you're right. No, they clearly didn't want to. I mean, it's humiliating.

and also probably everybody's booing them the entire time. Sure. They thought they was going to be cool runnings. That's what I want to know. Who thought Israeli bobsled team in 2026 in fucking Milan? You know what they were calling themselves, Mo? That'll remake our image. You know what their nickname for themselves was?

Shul running. Shul runnings. Yeah. Shul, oh my God, of course it was. Yeah. I should have been. I mean, it is absolutely an idea that was born out of someone having a pun first and then said, what if we did that? 100%.

That is the birth of the idea. And, you know, that, like, who do you think made up that pun? They hired some, like, image. Guys, how long has this, has this bobsleigh team? I also want to know about Mr. Ward. Yeah, I mean, I'm interested. Can he even, like, can he even do it? No, I mean, none of them can do it.

Here's the thing. Listen, they qualified for the Olympics so they can at least do that much. To me, I look at, has bar around it. There's always a question to me, it's a chicken or the egg when it comes to their PR. Because a lot of times I found that their PR is the purpose of everything. So rather than, you know, they need to find explanations for things that happen, they a lot of times create things that happen so that they can have a nice optic moment

and in this case... They need to explain things so you've got to create things to explain. Right, but in this case it seems like this was a failed moment where they were going to do optics because what they wanted to do was say, see people say a lot of shit about Israel, they call us racist, they call us

apartheid, they say that we hate Muslims and look at our bobsled team. We have someone who's Drews on the team, he is Muslim, and we're proving it to everyone. But in trying to do that, the racist Israeli, either Olympic committee or Israelis within. He can't actually do this because, I mean, are they all Ashkenazi? Well, the rest of the team is just Israeli Jews. And this is their, I need to look at these guys. This is their Drew's teammate. Because that's the thing is,

like, they're so racist. And then they were like, what if we integrated our apartheid team? And then they said, no, we're too racist for that. Can't do it. Can't do it. I kind of imagine that somebody's like, he got to have one non-jured. Can you have an Arab? Can we do an Arab?

Okay, something people will recognize as Arab. And then, and then the guy, the captain, what's his name? Not the guy who... That's the guy who's like super genocidal who the Swiss commentator was... Yes, that's right. Having such a ball. Yes.

And we played the whole clip of that on our last Patreon episode for anyone who missed it. Right, yeah. Sorry to rehash. No, no, no, but it's fantastic. People should be back to hear it. But no, you could just so easily see that guy being like, what is that guy doing here?

Like, okay. I mean, you know, so I have a different take on this because I think that AJ is, he is an American. He was born in Boston. He made Alia at like 21. In 2016, he made Alia and became like super Zionist and whatnot. But I believe. A Boston.

A Boston guy. Can you imagine how levels of racism just undiscovered. Boston and Israel. Yeah, this, yeah, so he is someone who, if I had to guess, yeah, yes, if I had to guess, he is a, like, liberal Zionist or believes himself to be a liberal Zionist. He calls himself Zionist to the core. He's someone who is, obviously, Israeli in that he is playing for the Israeli Olympic team. Like, it's not an American bobsled team. It is an Israeli bobsled team. It is an Israeli bobsled team. So just based on the being a Boston white dude for 21 years of his life, I bet it was his brainchild in order to try to do the like, Hasmar, you know, the PR moment of having a Drews guy. And the rest of the team is more Israeli.

And they were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Who knows? Well, yeah, no, it's just, one thing that I, think about this whole the whole right wing anti-Syanism trend is is that like you know there are there are going to be bad actors there's going to be sort of questionable intentions but fundamentally I do think that a certain number of you know even like nicofuentes followers have seen in Israel what ethno-sopremacy looks like you know in action and it's fucking creepy.

Like it's, there's just no doubt. Like, people in this country, a certain amount of racism, like a large proportion of American racists are like kind of racist because it's not allowed. Racist because they're edge lords. Right,

right. And, and I think, you know, that's also part of why you see folks like, you know, Tucker and Candice who do have that, like,

They have that, you know, that's a big part of their sort of identity. Right. They come out from a right-word angle of, they tell me I can't, so I will. And I think that, you know, again, you see Israel, even, like, I think hardened racists do see the culture and they see what apartheid looks like and they see the genocide day and day out. and, you know, as, what's his face? Christian Small said, you know, I've never experienced racism like I did in Israel, you know, and this is a guy who, you know, is from Staten Island, a black guy from Staten Island, you know, I mean, that's something. Yeah, Tana Hosecoats said much the same thing.

Yeah. I love it when right-winger's get shocked by racism. I mean, there's a case of it. I mean, it's totally probably very cynical, but Gavin Newsom made his, idiotic, you know, very democratic, coded racist comment of like, I'm slow just like you to a black audience. You know, I can't

read either. I only have an IQ of 960, whatever. And Randy Fine posted, this is shocking. Sending my love to my black constituents. You know, like, when you've lost Randy Fine on the racist thing, Democrats are just, you know,

completely owning himself. Randy Fine is like a total psychopath. And so he's, he's completely. cynical with it. Whereas like you know, you've got

Gavin Newsom who's a perfect example of a liberal you know someone who's doing liberal coded racism where they just they think they are being

populist or they think they are somehow endearing themselves by being like I'm not elitist I'm stupid just like you guys just like all of you. They think they're playing the sacks

but really it's just a big tub of fart. Right exactly. That's reminding me though that Number one of the Rothschild who got like a 1,100 on their SATs or a thousand on their SATs and was complaining about this to Jeffrey Epstein. Like, we've gone to so many protest prepets. Like, what are we doing wrong?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's what like... I think I said IQ. It was SAT. 960 IQ. Yeah, yeah, that's right. 960. SAT.

Yeah. Well, folks, we have more Gavin Newsome, I think, coming up. We also have more Tucker coming up. And both of those things will be on the other side of the break. that we now need to take. That's right. So everyone... There are things to sell.

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The world's most moral podcast here with Mo. Tassick, how you doing, Mo? Great. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Just finishing off talking about the bobsled team for Israel being disqualified. Obviously, everyone was making a lot of hay about that. They were being either made fun of by people like me or they were being defended as actually trying to do wokeness and being scuttled by the scuttled. Is that the word?

probably by the Olympic Committee, which of course was them as well, all very confusing. They moved on quickly to something else that they could celebrate. All of the Zionists and pro-Israel people decided to move on to hockey. Tablet magazine had this. They said, yes, hockey is Jewish now. Welcome to the golden age of Jewish hockey. Apparently, the USA hockey team, team won the gold against Canada, Daniel? I'm so sorry. They beat them two to one in sudden death overtime. Wow.

And Jack Hughes, Jay Hughes, Jews, scored the goal. There's two of them, right? They're brothers. They're two brothers. Quinn Hughes used to play for the Vancouver Canucks. My hometown team was traded to the Minnesota while. He was Vancouver's captain.

Best defenseman, the Canucks had ever had. Brilliant player. The Canucks were tanking terribly and they traded him. Yeah, but both him and his brother Jack or American. Canada dominated the third period, tied the game, had like 46 shots, couldn't get anything past Connor Hellebuck, the U.S. goalie. And finally, as often happens, when one team presses and presses and doesn't score a goal, the other team against the flow of play does and the U.S. did so.

And they won the gold medal. Congratulations. Well, well, very happy for them. What's interesting about this is, you know, to me, I didn't find out that they were Jewish until after the fact. And very specifically didn't find out that they were Jewish until Governor Mike Huckabee, who is now the ambassador to Israel, wrote this. What? The guy scoring for the first USA gold medal in hockey since 1980 is a Jew? Oh my, I'm sure the Jew haters will say Mossad was behind it.

I say just celebrate the incredible victory for the USA and be grateful for Jack Hughes' love and for the USA and his teammates. Look, I'm all for the cancellation of Kevin Spacey, but we need him to come back and play my cockapie. Yes, I know. He would crush it at that. It's the one time where I'd be like, he's allowed, he's allowed. Yeah, they're both pedantic as hell, and they kind of look alike.

Also, this was quote tweeted by a friend of the show, Jasper and Nathaniel, who said, huge bummer that a Jewish-American guy with no obvious connection to Israel scores a goal, and the U.S. ambassador to Israel immediately starts shrieking about Mossad. And I think that is just a point that I wanted to make here, which is, I'm sorry, but you're talking about two American diaspora Jews. Half-Jews. Yeah, they're half-Jews. But beyond that, they are born in America, raised in Toronto, they play hockey, and this is not at all a story about anti-Semitism or the Mossad or how they fit into the project of Zionism.

There is nothing there. In the six or seven seasons that Quinn Hughes played in Vancouver, and I follow that team casually, but enough. I never once heard anything about him being Jewish. Right. Unlike one of the players that Vancouver got in exchange of him, Zev Bouyam, who is Israeli, and it's got a little harder to hide the Jewishness. Zev Buyum.

I love a good Zev. But I think it's interesting because this is a type of thing that Huckabee and a lot of other Zionists do a lot, which is this is part of the conflation of Israel and Jew in which you're looking at a team of white American hockey players who won a game who happen to be Jewish or of Jewish ancestry and immediately

you're making this a connection to Israel and you do the same thing for anything that's Israeli as well. Everything that's Israeli is Israeli, everything that's Jewish is Israeli. And they're trying to make that connection. Meanwhile, it's like, no, no, no. You think that the outrage or whatever over the bobsled team, let's say, is due to anti-Semitism.

It's like, no, AJ Edelman grew up in Boston. He moved, you know, in 2016, he made Alia. He's playing for the Israeli team. And he has a full-throated support for the IDF. There's a difference between that and just some American Jews who are playing hockey. Like, there's a difference. And this is a difference that they don't like to talk about

because it ruins their narrative of everything that is Jewish needs to be about Israel. So he was making it about Israel in order to make that point. And the most egregious example of this, which I had to respond to, was this. So here was Jeremy unplugged, who said, incredible, two Jewish brothers, two clutch overtime goals, such and such. Oh, this doesn't show the end of his tweet where he said, USA, Jewish, USA, U.S. USA, to which I said, may I humbly recommend not popularizing the chant, JuS.A. I feel like it could be misused or something.

Come on, man. Like, what's next? He shoots. He snores. Oh, that's great. That is really great. That's amazing. I was trying to figure out how to not do tropes here.

Oh, don't even bother. I should probably plug that the American prospect, my employer, has a sports issue out right now. And my contribution to this is an exploration of the corporatization of youth sports in which hockey is 100 percent, like the worst offender. It's been totally, uh, youth hockey has been sort of totally monopolized by private equity. This one, this, which is like black, it's some blackstone guy. It's actually, he's, he actually worked at Blackstone like 25 years ago, but he, he, he always refers to himself as an ex-Blackstone guy who's bought like all of the rinks in America or like all the you know half of roots in America. Why would they choose hockey if hockey is such so low on the

list of popular American sports or is that just at the professional level in terms of fandom? Because it has the most affluent I guess. Yeah. I got the money. But you know, doing the story involved me going into a lot of Facebook chat rooms. with hockey moms. And they are all, like, it's so expensive to participate in youth hockey now. It's like, you know, $20,000 a year for these kids. And the rinks are like really, you know, terribly managed. And they all wind.

What's the $20,000 for then? It's like the rinks suck, but it costs $20,000 a year? It's this like black street. Black Street, you know, private equity fund. And, and, and, but there, you know, it's, I think it is Black Street. It's no, it's, it's. No digotty. No digity.

No digity. And, or maybe Black Street is like one of his LLCs. In any case, this guy is, is this incredible, just like scammer and like these kids, it's gotten to the point where kids are doing their, you know, class projects on how bad private equity is because, you know, their hockey rink is like the, none of the, toilets in their hockey rink work because they like, you know, they just, they do classic kind of mafia bust out economics of maintaining the race. But it is like, you know, considered like widely.

If you don't have that much money, you really want your kids to, you know, play flag football or something that has a little bit more subsidization because hockey's definitely like the most off limits. And they also, you know, a big expense too is that they're every, league is a travel league so they're taking you know they do a lot of tournaments in like italy and like um chukaslovakia that's not a country sorry um the robert maxwell stuff you know so that's just my my plug is that um uh you know hockey is is is just getting more upscale and that's not what it's you know reputation traditionally has been but you can get

Pino Noir at all major hockey rinks that are run by this private equity firm. Oh, that's nice. $15 for a cup. So, yeah, if you... That's worth it. So we talked about, you know, our wonderful, beautiful man, our ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee. And I think we need to talk about what has been spreading online as these clips from Tucker

Carlson's interview with him in Israel over the... past weekend. This has been interesting for me as someone who is, you know, looked at the rise of Tucker Carlson during this time and kind of shook my head because he's doing, you know, he's asking a lot of great questions and he's actually doing real journalism regarding this issue. And it's just a, it's a shame that, you know, liberal media in general is completely abandoned this subject. especially when Tucker has, you know, obviously comes from such a right-wing, you know, ideological framework that it is never good when someone who might actually be a little bit of an anti-Semite is the leading voice on this.

And watching this, Mo, do you see Tucker as an anti-Semite or a white supremacist? What's your, what's your read on him, generally speaking? Like, what's the, what's the objective read? I mean, it's weird. I have spent less time watching him than Candace, who she's no problem with Jews, but it's one of those things where you're like, she's definitely an anti-Semite.

She subscribes to all of these anti-Semitic conspiracy theories that started the Holocaust. But she does. Yeah, she's one of those anti-Semites who doesn't exactly hate Jews, but she can't figure them out and they keep her up. She tells her audience constantly, no, these are not the Jews you grew up with. These are special people who are like in a cult. And it's not like she doesn't have a point.

She just doesn't have a point of reference. History. Yes. Correct. And she's also very obsessed with Bolsheviks, like sort of labeling everyone Bolsheviks, which I don't understand at all. Like that's no. It makes no sense.

It's because her only, her entire ideological framework, is this right-wing conservatism, and she is a Christian nationalist. She's all of the things that if she were ideologically consistent would be consistent with being pro-Israel, but she can't be because she has some, I think, conflicting views about Jews, and I think she's made that obvious. To me, it's like, I don't care how many times she says,

I don't, I'm not talking about Jews. She can't be like, what happened to the Bolsheviks, now all the Bolsheviks are B.B. Netanyahu. Now they're all Israeli. Right. Without like, wait, what's the connective tissue there? Because it certainly is an ideology. It's certainly not history.

The only connective tissue is that they're Jews doing schemes. That's it. So I don't know. I mean, also the animating force, right, of, you know, anti-Semitism in Austrian Germany that, again, you know, the foundation of Nazism is that, the bankers and the Bolsheviks are in cahoots, which of course was insane, right? Exactly, exactly.

In this new iteration where everyone's an anti-Semite, they've completely swept the Bolsheviks under the rug. That entire, you know, the entire premise that sort of got all of these corporations and rich people in on the Nazi project has been erased from that history, which is so important. And that is one reason that, you know, I'm always like, Candace will suck you in. The Charlie Kirk assassination, I'm sorry. It's a crazy story.

Fascinating stuff. No, I love it. I love it. My favorite thing is when she ends up interviewing someone like Norman Finkelstein. Right? I try to get him to talk about the Bolsheviks. Or you find there's almost like a little horseshoe, and I'm not blaming Norm for this at all.

But like, he's long said that. a lot of people who claim to be Holocaust survivors are not. Because if the Nazis killed that many people, then who are all these people who survived? And he speaks about his parents as people who literally survived the death camps. That's what a Holocaust survivor is. I'm not sure if he would call my father, who lived in the Budapest ghetto, a Holocaust survivor.

I'm not sure. But Candace Owens will be like, yeah, I agree. All these people who say they live through the Holocaust, they're making it up. And these two people mean two different things. Yeah, exactly. They're lying because it didn't happen. And Norm will try to be like, yeah, well, but, you know, but then they, you know, they come back to places of agreement, which is that, you know, 40,000 children shouldn't be massacred.

Right. Well, the funny is, I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. Well, just the fact is that with these people, for whatever reason, I mean, the fact is that they all, I saw it. I was actually trying to write a story about Norm when she got. kicked out of the Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire, yeah. Daily Wire. And, you know, her interviewing Norm, the day before she went on maternity leave, she's

like as big as a house. And he's telling her about the, you know, how they've turned off the incubators and the hospitals and all of these babies are just being left to rot. And she's like, sitting there absolutely appalled. And, you know, it's very moving. And the fact is that these folks, most of them turned against Israel because they were doing genocide. Yes, 100%.

100%. Not because they hate Jews. Or in the case of Tucker, because they were doing genocide on our dime instead of doing things that they thought they should be doing here and telling Americans that you can't talk about it. Right. And you can't ask questions. And that's going to offend all of these sensibilities.

And if the right-winged. And if the right of Muslim Palestinians to live free from massacre is like number seven or 17 on that list. Yes. And what it took for him to get to that item was all the other outrageous. Fine. Fine. Those are also outrageous. It's not how my moral compass works.

But I like that his chauvinism. And I consider him a Christian chauvinist and a white chauvinist. I don't know that I would call him a supremacist. That to me, that term needs to be reserved to, like I feel. like it's been spread way too thin. Sure, sure, sure. He's a bit of a shapeshifter too. It's a shape shifter too, right? There's something a little slimy and whatever about him. But regardless, those other principles that he holds to when it comes to American sovereignty, free speech, government serving the people, things like that, those are perfectly good ins to get into

opposing Israel's genocide. Well, they're necessary ins. I think it's like the, The problem with left-wing, I think, framing on this is that it is kind of assumes that most people care about the human rights of others, right? And there's a whole portion of American society that is like, I don't care about that. I only care about mine. What's mine? My individual liberty. How much does my fish cost to fuck? Exactly, exactly. And so having the entire right wing be this, you know, walking fucking monolithic Christian Zionist thing for so long has made this very clear opening for a, not even a moral case, but just a America first case for why Israel is bad that I think people like Tucker Carlson and Candace both took them.

mantle of and it's necessary. Someone has to get to it on the brain level of a right winger. If you can't get in through woke shit with these guys, the only other way to do it is through talking about, hey, all of our tax money is going there. They're trying to lie us into another war. They're trying to, you know, whatever it is that needs to be said. And yeah. And so I think the problem that a lot of people have is obviously the messenger itself being, right-wing person. It's like, yeah, well, he's speaking to other fucking chuds. Someone's got to speak to the chuds.

And at the same time, I do think that I'm thinking back to our Daniel Penny killing. And, and. Daniel Penny was in New York. He, like, he killed someone who he was a Jordan Neely was the same. Yeah. And he was in a subway station. A guy was acting erratic.

Oh, subway car, yeah. He was acting erratic and he was defending a white woman or something and he ends up murdering someone. Yeah. And immediately after that, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, The New York Post and Rhonda Santis are calling this guy a good Samaritan. And I remember just being like my insides crushed. Like, I just, there's something like, you know, when, when, truth is inverted to that degree, it just, it was, you know, just disturbing on, on, you know, so many levels.

And, of course, then the, you know, the genocide happened. And I think that with Candace and Tucker both, Candice is a, I guess, recent convert to Catholicism. And for whatever reason, I mean, I don't, I've been Catholic my whole life. and so I don't know much about evangelical Christianity. I have not been a practicing Catholic. I started practicing again recently, which is a whole other story. But there were 35 years, I think, in there without no practice. But they ingrained it in you.

And Christianity is a fucking woke religion, guys, especially when Pope Francis is in charge of it or now Pope Leo, Um, you know, it's not, it's not about abortion. I don't want to sell in all James, Tilarico, or, you know, what have you. Or Carrie, what's the name Carrie Prejean? Carrie, right? I, I guess it is Carrie Prejean, or maybe that's just your Montreal talking. I thought it was Eugene.

Maybe Perjean, like Cooper DeGine. Um, but, uh, but yeah, she's hot. I mean, she is beautiful woman. She doesn't take no shit from Zionists. And I, you know, I'm attracted to that. But so anyway, Matt, we have to get to the actual Tuckabee interview. Oh, yeah. But, you know, I think that adequately sets the table in terms of who we're dealing with.

And I think, like, one of the nice things about right-wing outrage is that as distinct from left-wing outrage, which is very moralistic and, I mean, and rightly so, like, grounded in principles. but it's tough to be like a left-wing interviewer with a genocidal person and like keep your cool but with Tucker the right-wing outrage I guess or maybe there's just no left-winger is in the mainstream media no left yeah there's no left yes but what you have is liberals and fucking psychopaths it leads to a kind of incredulous indignant what are you trying to sell me right now what are you trying what what did you just say

huh and so he'll so let's take a look at some clips where Tucker actually refuses to let something absurd go unchallenged. And Huckabee has some creative responses to that. So here's the first one which got a lot of traction. You've appealed to Genesis. Genesis 15 says it's Abram, it's pre-Abraham, it's Abram, receives from God the news that his descendants

will inherit the land and you tell me as the theologian if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to the Nile. I think that's right. And that would include, like, basically the entire Middle East. That would be the Levant. So that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon. It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

It would be, I mean... I'm not sure it would go that far. I mean, it would be a big piece of land, but here's the point. It would be a lot of places that are now countries. But this particular area that we're talking about now, Israel, is... is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he chose. It was a people, a place, and a purpose. We can look at it that way. Christian Zionism. I want to go back because that's where we started on this. I'm not going to let you off on this because you have said it three times

that God gave this land to this people. And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask, what land are you talking about? Because I just read Genesis 15, as I have many times. And that land, I think it says, from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is, once again, basically the entire Middle East. So God gave that land to his people, the Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he did. What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis.

You're saying that's the original deed. It would be fine if they took it all. I've watched it like five times, and I still, I, Like, it's the agreement thing. He was, he prepped that. It's like he knew they were going to ask that question, I think. Yeah. Sure, take it all.

Yeah. I mean, he understands that his, he, first of all, he, first of all, he understands who butters his bread and it's Christian Zionism and it's the Trump administration. And he gets that, look, I'm not in the business of telling Israel when to stop invading other countries. You know, for him, he is, of course he believes that he's just going to defer to whatever the Bible says. That's his whole, that's his whole schick. His whole schick is like going, if the Bible says it, it's true.

And that's where, you know, and I don't care how it's interpreted. That's, that's, that's him. That's how he does it. Because he's, yeah, he's a Christian Zionist. But I love watching Tucker actually make him say that. And this is like the thing that I find truly incredible is that Tucker is able to ask follow-up questions and keep people sticking to his train of thought.

He doesn't let the person he's interviewing move the question into some other territory. He, you know, he stays on topic and he gets him. to admit essentially that it does not matter where Israel draws its borders. It has no borders. It has no borders. And it's quite an insane thing to get the ambassador to Israel to say. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. How about the second clip? Noor is a horrible thing, Tucker. And there are people who end up, unfortunately, being killed that shouldn't have been. I would tell you that I wish that none of those people in Gaza, had been killed after October 8th. Well, I say none of them. I'm glad Mohammed Sinwar was killed.

I'm glad that some of those warriors that people who masterminded and carried out. Excuse me. Does he just assign the name Muhammad to any Arab he doesn't know their first name? I mean, maybe is Yahya a nickname that he didn't know about or is his name Yahya Mohammed Sinwar? I don't know.

It could be. It could be. Well, if I'm wrong on that, then shame, you know, fooled me once. Yeah, exactly. But, uh, fooled me once. Nope. Yeah, his name is, uh, Yachya, Ibrahim, Hassan, Sinwar.

So his name is not Muhammad, which is a kind of, that's kind of incredible. Yeah, I know. What are the odds? Because like, the answer actually very much. Yes, it's in Huckabee's favor that he's right. And, and even then he can't get like, it doesn't, oh, God, it doesn't even know the name of the fucking guy who is probably called Hitler on several occasions. The atrocities like 14-year-old Hamas operatives?

How do you feel about their deaths? If they participated in that, then God help them. I'm telling you. Because I won't. What's that? Because I won't. Are you happy? They were 14 years.

No, but I'm telling you that when someone commits the acts of atrocity and then they hold hostages, if these were your children being held hostage in Gaza, what would you do to get them out? I wouldn't want to. Did you almost say Gomorah, by the way? Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Sorry, there's a Freudian slip.

If these were your kids being sodomized in Gamora. Yeah, exactly. Held hostage in Gaza? What would you do to get them out? I wouldn't want to kill 14-year-olds. I'll tell you that. Let me ask you something. Would you do whatever it took to get your kids back if they were being tortured, raped, starved, and...

I would not kill children, period. You know, that is, I got to say, it's really incredible that I actually saw that clip posted by... a Hasbarist Who was trying to use it as like Can you believe how craven Tucker Carlson is? He would sacrifice his own children

To save 14 year old terrorists Yes and I'm like You putting this clip out is Not going to have the effect You wanted to. No one sees it from that point of view What they see is someone saying No I would not kill any kids As a way to

Get back a kidnapped child That is a, and you can be like, oh, what a bitch. She doesn't want to live like a, it's a taken movie or whatnot. But I think it's pretty clear that most people are not so psychopathic as to say, I would kill any number of children. Like, no one is making that math. I'd kill 10,000 babies to get back one baby. Only a psychopath makes that.

Right. Like has boris. I think this is one of those areas where Tucker is also. done a good job because I have heard of talk about Hamas a lot in recent months. And he's saying, I don't even know if I call them terrorists anymore or I don't even know what they are, but I think that they're just sort of a resistance force. So this has been going on so long that even Tucker Carlson is sort of admitting that this is just dehumanizations because calling Hezbollah terrorists. You know, it's just a it's a way of making their lives worthless.

And it doesn't work anymore even on Tucker Carlson. Yeah, and that's a moment. I mean, people use the phrase moral clarity a lot. And would they just mean that my position is moral? But what Tucker just did there is the, at least rhetorically, it's the embodiment of moral clarity. You ask a question, someone tries to turn it back on you, and you're like, of course my fundamental principles say that

there's no, there's no leeway, there's no, no, that's not a gotcha. I'm going to stick to my principles under all circumstances, including your silly hypothetical one. Yeah, yeah. You know, that's meant to be an appeal to my basest emotions, no. Yeah. And then he'll appeal to his religion for that. My religion prevents that.

My religion prevents hate. My religion prevents murder and all that. Now, whatever we think about Tucker's actual, whether he has huge blind spots or is disingenuous when it comes to other things. That is a very strong, kind of unfuck-wit-withable response to a slimeball. I agree. And I think it's good to see that because it, I think, puts the person he's interviewing into a really stark contrast. I think the more important thing that he is doing, because, you know, whether or not he is grifting is like a conversation that people can have,

What does grifting even mean at this point? Making money? Right. I mean, but I mean like grifting as in he takes up positions, not because he believes them in particular, but he does it because it's like he sees a lane open and whatnot. And it's like, okay, sure. Okay, sure.

But let's say that he's doing that. This is all grift. He doesn't actually believe in, you know, he's pro-Israel in his head. He's just whatever. The thing that he's actually doing that is, of service, the thing that is actually

what we're seeing is actual journalism happening. What we're seeing is an actual interview with a, not just a Zionist, but a fucking ambassador to Israel. It was currently the ambassador to Israel. And he is being asked questions

that I'm sorry, but liberal media wouldn't dare ask. They wouldn't dare push back at him in the same way. And part of it is he's able to actually use I feel like a lot of liberal media, especially

if they're not completely compromised by pro-Zionist forces, they're hamstrung by their fear of being labeled anti-Semitic. Tucker doesn't have that fear because he's been called it a thousand times and because he's a little bit

anti-tematic. So he gets to ask follow-up questions that would be considered dog whistles. he gets to not give a shit about whether or not someone considers it a dog whistle. And so because of that, it corners people like Huckabee into actually answering a question that he may not have, you know, have ever been asked before or never gotten clarification on. I mean. And quite frankly, that's the way to do it.

Yes. Unapologetically with no concern, you know, which is why I posted like this, at this point, I'm sick and tired of hearing. leftists and liberals. Yeah, say, yeah, yeah. No, you don't actually have to hand it to Tucker Carlson. Yeah, you do. I'm sorry. That's what handing it to it means.

That's what handing it to someone means. You don't want to. You have every reason why not to. It feels icky. But you know what? Credit where credit is due, that person is doing something that I should be doing or that the people I give my time and subscription money or my, you know, who I prefer are not doing.

liberal media is infinitely more subservient to power than this right-wing independent media lane. It just is. There's also the fact that, you know, again, this genocide is still happening, this massive ethnic cleansing campaign, Tucker can reach people. Tucker Carlson can reach audience members

that we can't. I have spent probably 18 months of my life arguing with my dad about by the right-wing Trump or dad who's annoyingly unabashed about it even now. And, you know, we've had blowout fights and I try a different, I try to get ready every time Every time I pick the kids up and I still have never been able to make him come over to my side.

And Tucker Carlson has changed people's minds about this stuff. He has platformed the whistleblower of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation. He's just done a big service in terms of moving the so-called Overton window. He's platformed Isaac Munther, the Christian head priest of Bethlehem. He platformed George Stephanopoulos' sister, that nun who lives there. You know, like, these are good voices to have out there. And you're hearing, I mean, the Tony Aguilar interviews were just absolutely insane. You know, people are hearing from Tucker how unbelievably humane, you know, that a guy who's

and the special forces for 30 years, could get turned to get turned green party by what he saw. I think that's really important. And I also think that it's really important when people talk about, oh, it's not Israel, it's the empire. You know, why are we talking about how Israel has hijacked our foreign policy? Do you really think that they're the ones in charge? That's so naive, blah, blah, blah.

And I completely reject that argument because the fact is that small lobbies controlled by, you know, disproportionately wealthy, powerful people control everything in this country. You know, this is a way to understand how. And I was very, I found it pretty heartening when Marjorie Taylor Green resigned. And she's like, listen, it's not just Israel. It's pharma and it's, you know, the banks. And it's like, that's right, baby. Like, that's, that's the problem. And it's, you know, money in politics and the Israel lobby just happens to be the most deeply entrenched in our, in our politics and our discourse and in the minds of this large number of people.

The other thing about anti-Semitism is that Israelis are so, like Jews and Israelis are just not. not similar at all. They're like Israel's entire identity seems to have been formed in the opposition to, you know, the wonderful things that we associate with Jews in America. And so that's another thing that always gets me. Oh, wait. No, I love Jews. The Van Diagram, that Van Diagram between Judaism and Zionism has launched an official complaint with the Van Diagnet Association of the World.

Yes. I also complain about anti-Semitism being used by Israelis who are the top of the racial caste system that they live in. And I'm like, you don't get to talk about anti-Semitism. You don't experience it. Like, you experience it in theory because you're like, I hear other countries hate us. But that's a... Yeah, anti-Semitism is like anti-fudalism. Right, exactly.

Yeah. They're the feudal lord. Exactly. But yeah, no, this is... Something that I completely agree with you, Daniel, in terms of, and you as well, Mo, like, he has done a service by being someone who can get right-wingers to actually look at this from a, at the very least a perspective that makes sense to right-wingers. And that is, that has so much value.

And it's one of the reasons why I have not been on this podcast, making it about how actually Tucker's bad or actually Candace is bad the whole time. I don't really complain about them because as much as I know where they're coming from and right-wingers in general where they're coming from with a lot of this stuff, to me, that does not matter. I am not going to sit here in fear of a possible Tucker Carlson style politics in which you know, well, what if, you know, they hate Israel so much that they start hating all Jews. And it's like, that to me is not the fault of people like Tucker Carlson.

It's to me it's the fault of, I'm sorry, the Israeli government. It's the fault of the U.S. government. It's the fault of anyone who supports Zionism in any form because that is what's spreading anti-Semitism to the point at which, you know, we're at right now. I mean, it's fucking ridiculous for me to worry about that during an act of genocide. I think it's narcissistic and it's self-serving and it's one of those things that we have the privilege of doing as white dudes from the West who are, you know, like Jewish or of Jewish ancestry. And we get to talk about ourselves for a little bit during, you know, an active genocide. I don't give a shit.

I'm going to let people like Tucker Carlson do their thing and hope to God that at some point the, uh, liberal media establishment and liberals in general understand the danger of being like, no, we're going to cede all of this shit to the right. We're going to let the right be the people who are in charge of relations with the Jews. That's, that to me is a fault of institutional media, not the fault of people who take advantage of the lane. Yeah, well said. We have one more clip to get to in which Huckabee drops some major new bombshell, so to speak, about, well, putting things in perspective. Yeah.

When we play that. Israel goes to links that no other country, including ours, goes to, in the middle of an urban war. And yet, Israel ended up with fewer civilian deaths in the... What is it about right-wingers that they have to pronounce it, Israel? I don't know. Because they have to convince himself it's real. Officially sanctioned Southern.

Look at the Lindsay Graham says it is so good. Israel. Israel. It's the style God. Israel. An urban war than any urban war of record. You said you didn't know how many civilian deaths there were. So how can you say that?

If you took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers, you didn't know what the numbers are. We don't. You just told me that. Then how can you say it's a lower? number. But if you took the numbers that they reported, which is like 50,000, 24, 25,000 of those were actual warriors, how many civilians? If you took all the numbers range from 120 to 78, those ones I just read, I don't know if that's real. I don't know either. I'm asking you. Yeah, and I'm telling you, those numbers I've not heard, have not read. The numbers that I think

are more reportable are somewhere in the 60,000 range. Where do those most from? From the Gaza Health Ministry, which is from Moss. But you said those were valid numbers. I think they are. I don't think that they're accurate, but I'm saying, let's just assume. They're inaccurate, but they prove that Israel's doing a great job. Let's assume that the most widespread numbers, the largest numbers that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas. The most anti-Semitic numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. That's what he means. Assume they're true. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they are true, but assume they're true. Let's just take them at their word. then you still have a lower number of civilians killed than in any urban warfare environment in modern history.

Wait, I just love that. Even if it were a million billion, they'd still have the best ratio. Right. It's like, wait, so you're, even in an imaginary scenario where you're making up the biggest number, you're still going to claim that there is a ratio that is, makes that. makes that number of death okay. And also what is this urban warfare warfare bullshit?

Oh, it's the, yeah, yeah, this is what makes it urban? Because Gaz is the most concentrated area on earth? It's urban. It's made it that way. It's, it's, yeah, he's using urban warfare to get the specific stat. It's like the qualifier to make sure that, you know,

it's like I'm the, I have the world's largest penis for someone who's over six foot five. You know, it's like, you need to like you need to have the qualifier on it although i guess you know that would be assumed um is that yes what are you comparing it to to any urban war name one iraq we're in iraq afghanistan we're in iraq we're in afghanistan there aren't many urban areas in afghanistan i don't think there was any fighting in urban areas in afghanistan i don't know was there was there were there

pitch i'm sorry did he did he just ask cobble as a question yeah probably fighting in urban areas In Afghanistan? Kabul? Why are you asking him? You're the one who mentioned it. I don't know. Was there were there pitched battles in Kabul over long periods of time? I don't... 20 years. In Kabul? No. Throughout all of Afghanistan. So what were those rates? You're talking about what are the rates there? You just... The number of people who were killed into the tens of thousands. I'm asking you to...

I don't know the answer. I never heard of any of this. You brought it up. You said the IDF has killed a lower proportion of civilians in urban warfare than in any urban conflict in modern history. I'd never heard that before. I don't know what your, what are the controls for that? And you said, well, America, the U.S. military killed more civilians. Would you agree that the real tragedy was that Hamas continued to force this war? Come on. You just once again said that the IDF is more humane than the United States military. You just said that. You said in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military killed. more civilians than the IDF did in Gaza. You just told me that. I never heard that before.

And my question is, how do you know that? What are those numbers? And I'm trying to explain to you that there were extraordinary efforts to keep the number of life. I think there were tens of thousands. I'll get them for you. Well, you brought it up. That's the only reason I'm pushing it out. I'm wearing a flag. I've worked for a country and you pretended or alleged that somehow I'm not loyal to this and that I'm criticizing their own country and I'm not. They did a better job than the U.S. military in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I said, what are the numbers? And you said, I don't know.

So on what basis are you making the claim that the IDF in Gaza spared more civilians than the U.S. Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan and Iraq? Why are you saying that? Like, on what basis are you saying that? From the conversations that I've had with the people who fought there. And I don't have the exact number. on the basis of what are you saying that there was no cyclone B at Auschwitz on the basis of the prison guards who were in a position to know that's right that's right who would know better you who now say that the Gaza health ministries statistics are totally accurate that's right yeah because there's such a dramatic obvious undercount and they barely moved in the past year and a half I spoke to the Eisengrad's and fewer whatever the fuck those guys were called

in charge of not gassing Jews and he told me yeah you're right mode like now that the Israeli army has admitted that the Hamas numbers are completely valid now that there's no stakes you know like there's nothing they don't need to deny it well now the numbers have installed for so long

yeah I don't think that they have really a whole lot of capacity for for counting the dead anymore I mean they can't even they don't have any place to take their trash. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's preposterous. But I will note that, um, the, you know, many Democrats, um, Josh Gottheimer, uh, the Moskowitz down in Florida. You know, they, um, passed a, I think a passed an amendment. I'm not sure that, that, um, uh, outlawed using those statistics for the, the state department, but that, that prohibited the state

department from using Gaza health ministry statistics. Right. Back to the Biden administration. Well, I'm sure that had no effect whatsoever on the election results. We're not going to be able to get to the story today, but there's apparently a secret, a report that the DNC is doing that they're not releasing it or at all that suggests that, you know, Kamala's and Biden's positions on palace.

It turns out it does persuade some people. People were mad about that. I imagine. Yeah, news to me. I still, Americans aren't dumb enough to think that maybe Donald Trump would be better. You know, like, this is America, guys. Right, yeah. It is crazy.

But just to, you know, since we can't get to that for this episode, but we'll talk about that on this week's Patreon episode. Just rounding out the Tucker story, it is, you know, seeing him actually pose these questions to the Israeli ambassador, Mike Huckabee, is like, it is i'm not going to sit here and pretend like i'm not uh happy he's doing it uh i think there's a a lot of um there's a lot of woke 1.0 when it comes to talking about these figures in which we are going to not at all put the utility of what he's doing into a proper perspective or the courage of it yeah yeah yeah like be a human being like you don't have to tuckermax but But, you know, like, this is what happens when you sort of create categories of people, like, this person's problematic. Right, exactly.

I can just ignore and dismiss everything they do that I would never do. Right. Or just reflexively try to be anti something that you're like, no, this is a good thing that he's doing. And people who say, like, you know, no, don't hand it to him or whatnot. It's like, okay, I don't know who exactly you're talking to or who you're trying to. are who you're trying to convince of this because it's like people are sharing something in which

the ambassador to Israel the American ambassador to Israel is sitting here admitting things like yeah they can take the whole Middle East if they want he's sitting here admitting that like listen I don't know what the numbers are all I know is that no matter what you say I'm going to say Israel did it better than us

and you know you look at that clip and I see Tucker you see Tucker's like idea ideological, you know, underpinnings are pretty obvious. He's coming at from this angle of, you're saying Israel's better than America? Because he knows his audience. He knows who he is talking to.

And I'm sorry. But I want those people who are watching Tucker to at the very least be exposed to the same realities that a lot of us on the left are. It's from a different angle, but at least they're getting exposed to the realities. fucking monolithically just walking, you know, hand in hand with Christian Zionism. It's a good thing. And that's, uh, that's all I've got to say about that. Word up.

Word up. Mo, do you want to have the last word before we get on out of here? I encourage if you, if you decide to Tucker Max and listen to the whole three hours, because one thing is like, all sorts of things, but he's really created a foreign policy dilemma here. We're about to bomb Iran again. And all of our Arab and

all our Arab and Muslim allies have come out with a joint statement. India, I mean Indonesia, sorry, not India. Indonesia to Syria to Syria to Syria and Lebanon, they're all like, this is, this is fop. It was the most of what you're talking about

Willis press release I've ever seen. Yeah, yeah. And he tells the story at the beginning of, you know, going to Israel, getting invited to Israel, trying to get some security when he's there. And the U.S. Embassy is just like, yeah, we're not going to do that. You've got to just come. You just got to show up. We'll put the, you know, the foreign ministry in charge of your security.

And he's like, I don't think that's a good idea. I don't know if I like that. It's really unreal because that also kind of hits home on his topic. This embassy does not give a fuck about my life. Right, right. You know, and it's the same with the young child who was, you know, from New Jersey or from Florida, who was imprisoned until Jasper and Nathaniel's mom called Kirsten Gillibrand, to 700 times, you know, for nine months, they couldn't get the embassy to do fucking

anything. And that is really astonishing. Yes. Yeah. So, yeah, heads off. I have no problem tip in my head. But I also think that it's good that people are starting to associate Christianity with something that isn't abortion or, you know, it's, you know, it's, it's good. some guy to death in the subway, like, anti-genocide. Yeah, no. And, you know, so, so I wish, I wish we had, I wish we had that. Yeah. Meanwhile, Judaism associations are going on. I have have that. I have that. I'm, I'm full Catholic now. I'm just a Catholic guy. With the Jasmine Crockett thing, too, is just like,

okay, so your bet, noir is Marjorie Taylor Green, this person whose politics on Israel are way better than yours. This is a bad matchup. I have no room for MTG dismissal. I just don't. To me, it's just, it's viscerally disgusting.

And it's, it's fucking, you know, coastal elite fucking superiority and hatred of the deplorables and all this kind of shit. I don't care what else she said or what else she believes. The presence of a moral compass and a human heart is evident when she speaks about Palestine. And the evidence of some kind of,

you know, American self-respect is also evident. And to me, if I weigh the moral, like I just, I can't stand when people fold all of their,

like try to pack every single aspect of their ideology into every take and can't take a win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If the wind happens on the other side of the aisle. I also think that like the,

There's nothing more toxic than being worse on Israel than someone like Marjorie Taylor Green or someone like Tucker Carlson or Candice Owens. If you're worse on them, on Israel than them, then you're actually a huge problem. You're beyond just being like, oh, that's kind of a problematic, a little liberal Zionist, yeah. But no, that is a problem. You're actually a problem. It's not problematic. No, you're a problem. You're a problem because you give permission for this kind of, you know, cowardly ideology to be like,

well, you know, I have all these other, you know, aspects that are better than them, except for the Israel thing. And it's like, well, okay, well, there's a genocide going on and you are going to allow other people to do what happened in 2024, which you actively ignored an ongoing genocide and, of course, gave power to the fascists. That is an episode of Bad Hasbara. Mo. Thank you so much for coming and talking about Hadithspar. Having me was such a pleasure. Of course. Where can where can people find you? A real nice Jewish boy podcast. Yeah, exactly. Are those guys still doing it? Oh yeah. Well, they're still nice, that's for sure.

Nice like that song, Hello, Phillip. Like a song. Where can people find you and find your work? Prospect.org, I'm Motasic on Twitter. I'm not on Twitter that much, but

when I get started. Check it out when it's there. We'll put up links to both your Twitter and to, of course, the Prospect, American Prospect on our show description and thank you, Mo. Really appreciate you coming on talking with us.

Thank you so much, guys. And thank you to everyone else out there watching, listening, doing both. Patreon.com slash bad as barra, gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea. You don't want to hand it to Tucker, that's on the... Yeah.

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