Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 186: Out of Town, with Tadhg Hickey

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Matt and Daniel welcome returning champion Tadhg Hickey to hear about his time on the Global Sumud Flotilla, whether or not there are rules for anything of international consequence anymore (there aren’t!) and this week’s potentially world-swallowing conflagration: Iran.Please donate to https://gazafunds.com/BAD HASBARA LIVE IN LOS ANGELES APRIL 12 AT SCRIBBLE: https://bit.ly/badhasbaralaBAD HASBARA LIVE IN VANCOUVER APRIL 2 AT CHILLXSTUDIO: Join at https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraNew Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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announcing another live show in the West Coast of Canada. That's right. Thursday, April 2nd at Chill X Studio in Vancouver, BC. We are going to be performing in Canada. That's right. Thursday, April 2nd.

Tickets go on sale Wednesday at 10 a.m. Pacific time. At first, it's going to be exclusive to Patreon members. And then it's going to be released out into the public, I think 24, 48 hours later? I don't know. Adam knows. But there will be a public sale not too long after, but we do want to give our Patreon members first dibs. And if you're looking

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Slash those prices. Everything must go. That's right. Yeah, take it out of my share. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, so this way, you know, if you are someone who's like, I would like to join for a year, but I cannot pay $5 a month,

nor can I pay, you know, however much that is to do the year-long subscription, which is a slight discount. Well, I'm going to discount it even more than it's discounted. So, yeah, go ahead and go to, you know, Patreon.com slash bad as borrow. Look at the discount. See what I decided on. I don't know what it is now. So, yeah, look at that.

Go, quick-going. You're wild and crazy, man. That's just crazy. That's, you must be insane. How do we even make a profit? Answer, we don't. Yeah, that's the thing. We're crazy like that.

Just like Crazy Gideon's electronic sales and downtown L.A. I don't know if he's still around. I hope he's okay. Was he Israeli? Well, I'll deal with that later. But the point is, go to patreon.com slash bad asbarra. I just want to say about the Vancouver show Thursday, April 2nd. That's the second night of Passover. That's right. That's right. In my hometown, very excited to bring Batasbara to the place I was born and raised. And because it's the second night of Passover, just, you know, anyone who's religiously observant, I'm sorry, but you can't come out because there's going to be a whole lot of leavened. That's right.

We'll be leavening things up. That's right. There may not be a lot of hummets. There might not be levity in the bread, but there will be levity in the jokes that we do. It'll be stuff like that. You'll love it. Some would say, in fact, it doesn't count because it's not funny. And that's fine.

That's fine. say whatever you have to say to yourself in order to allow yourself to come to the show. It's going to be really fun. Chillax Studios in Mount Pleasant. Never been there, actually. It's a new venue, but I hear good things and we're excited. It looks really fun. I'm very excited to do it.

Yeah, April 12th. Oh, that's not it. That's Los Angeles. April 2nd. There's April 2nd. Chill Xudios in Vancouver, BC, whatever that stands for. Bloods and Crips, I assume. And today's episode is brought.

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Gaza funds.com link is in the description. Daniel what is the spin? Well, folks, we're living in a world that's a wash in abbreviations IDF, IRGC, USA. And here are some records by artists who go by their acronyms or abbreviations. I like that. MIA, Arol, fucking classic album. I revisited it recently. Hard to overstate. What a great album.

Is that the one that has paper planes on it? That's the next. That's the second one. Oh, interesting. She has one before that. Yeah, this one is Bucky Dungan and Pull Up the People and Galang. It's better, I think, than the one paperbacker. Is that Diplo?

Diplo, I think it's involved. Yeah, I think Diplow might be the producer, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. EPMD, Eric and Parrish, make and dollars. Strictly business, classic. Classic hip-hop duo. R.E.M., New Adventures and High-Fi, which I would say is their last great album. What is that stand for Rapid Five?

Who are you, Jiminy Glick? What did you tell me? What does that stand for? Michael Stipe. Michael Stipe. So you're the lead singer of a band. He says... Is it a good band?

He seems about shiny and happy, get he seems neither. Which, well, Martin Short's going through a rough time right now. We shouldn't be. Is he? His daughter died. His daughter died from his suicide list.

Oh, why are you guys? You don't have to... Seriously. The day's not sad enough. I know, it's terrible. You don't have to give me more, ah. This is a truly great album from 96, I think,

which I like quite a lot. TLC, ooh, on the TLC tip, their debut album. Now, they do not stand for tender love and care or the learning channel. It is T-Baws, Left Eye, and Chili. Well done. Thank you. I know a thing or two about music.

You sure do. I do. And you know a thing or two about barking like a dog. Oh, yeah. Ar, art, art. I love smiles Do your heart is broken

Smile What is that from that Chris Rock movie I think I love my wife I don't know Did he sing Yeah Chris Rock goes and visits Him he's locked up

And DMX is singing that In a prison cell That's great That's a great bit So that's the album It's dark and hell is hot The DOC LA rapper

Fucking incredible Incredible I can't overstate what a classic album this is. M-O-P from Brownsville, Brooklyn, I believe, to the death. But I had to include that the song that's not on that album, which is their greatest, is Andy Up. And I have the single here. If you ever want to see a great version of Andy Up, go check out the Sesame Street version

on YouTube. It's not really that. It's just someone did some, they, they used Sesame Street clips, Bert Nernie. XTC, Skylarking, wonderful album. And then finally a couple of bands that are popularly known by their acronyms, but are officially, they have names. CSNY, of course.

Yeah, yeah. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. That's right. A thing or two about that. Crosby, Stills, Nash, and or Young, because they do switch him out sometimes. Sometimes he's gone. Creedence Clearwater Revival, CCR,

William and Poor Boys. And finally, orchestral maneuvers in the dark. aka OMD. Oh, that threw me for a loop on that last one. Don't know him. Don't care to know him. Don't have time for new music.

Only old music for Matt Lee. Same album. That's very old. That's over and over. Yeah. More familiar music. Well, if you're like Matt, then click the, you should have clicked the link that that dude on YouTube puts every time to skip

the spin. Someone's pioneering the same guy is now doing to skip the spoon, which fuck you. No one should skip the spoon. Unbelievable. Some people, they just, they, you know, it's pearls for swine out there. Some people don't know a good superfluous extraneous segment when they, when they see one. Yeah, some people don't know what it means to a palate cleanse before you've even tasted anything.

It's in a moose bush. That's right. Exactly. You know, fucking motherfuckers never heard of apps. Someone got to have your antipas. Some people don't want to amuse their boosh. What the fuck? Yeah, let us amuse your boosh. Before we get started, There's one more thing you had to show me, isn't that right? Well, I was doing some writing at my local lesbian cafe, boyfriend cooperative on Myrtle.

Good name. Good name. Great queer-friendly, Palestinian-friendly space. Great coffee, great design. Nice pastries, good teas, and a bar. And I was talking to my friend, the barista, maybe one of the owners. and she showed me this picture. She recently went to the buffer zone hearings.

Apparently, municipally, there's some kind of law under review to do like a hundred meter, 100 feet something like buffer zone for protests outside of religious institutions, which we know what that is for. Right, yes. No matter what's going on inside of them. Yeah, very specifically because protesting outside of a synagogue is always bad. even if they are literally selling illegal land in the West Bank. That's right.

Always bad. And so my friend, the barista, said, guess who I was sitting right behind? And I'll let you guess who this is. Just based on, oh, no one has ever had a clear shaped head. Is that our boy shy? If you had any doubt, just zoom in on his hoodie. Wait! Is he wearing his own?

merch. He's wearing his show. What does it say? Am with shy? It's here I am with Shai Davidae.

That's the name of his fucking show. Bro. I love that he wears his own merch. And I'll bet underneath that hoodie he's wearing his this is what an

anti-Zionist. This is what a Zionist looks like a t-shirt. He only dresses himself in slogans that he made himself. It's just so that is the most embarrassing

thing I've ever seen. So if it was a live show. Maybe. You know, alive, here I am with Shai Devi-Dai. No, he's at some fucking hearing where he just wants to plug is beautiful. Yeah, it should say the guy in this shirt is Shai Davida. She was like, I was close enough to push him over the railing. Oof, I know.

Can you imagine the temptation? I don't know if I could survive it. That is incredible. I also love that his shirt is just look at me. I'm Shia Davidai. Incredible. So shout out to whoever sent you that picture, the barista. Very cool.

Our guests, I'm very excited to introduce. Our guests recently got into some trouble because of some actions that he took preemptively against a neighbor. I'm going to play a little video and then introduce him. Here he is. Oh, hey guys Noel Tishby here I just preemptively burnt my neighbor's house down almost killing him in his entire family, you know?

And over some strange reason, he's really upset with me. This is my life now. Pray for me, guys. Ah! Just a beautiful and misunderstood man. man, Mr. Noel Tishby. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome back to the podcast.

Our dear, dear friend in Ireland, Tyg-Hickey is here. How you doing, buddy? Ashluck. Not bad. World War III. Was that a little bit, you speaking Irish there? Did you say Ash look? Oh my gosh.

Or was that you just... Are you starting off already? No, I just didn't know the first word. I wasn't sure if maybe I didn't understand the accent. I said, ah, sure, look, all English words. Yeah, but altogether, doesn't it sound Irish to you? Doesn't it sound like part of your native tongue? Oh, fuck.

Or maybe Farsi, his real native tongue. It reminds me of my maternal grandfather who used to say, Ashipoyamaia, which was his shorthand for, Ah shit, boy, am I tired? Oh, my gosh. Look at that. Yeah. We could do that.

Please don't confuse Matt by speaking his first language. To be honest, guys, the only reason I ever sign up for these events is Adam's little asides. Adams Shakespearean asides are. They're beautiful. They're beautiful. They just love them. We have considered doing... Spotlight downstage.

Adam steps out. Addresses audience. We've considered doing just totally silent podcasting, just letting Adam cook in the lower thirds. Ty. So happy to have you back. It has, you know, been quite a weekend of news. This is one of those episodes where putting it together was a feat in and of itself. But because we haven't had you on since you were a part of the freedom flotillas,

I wanted to ask you about those. Really? Yeah. Have I not been on since then? No, no, no. No, we had Greg Stoker as you guys were making your way across the Mediterranean. Yeah, yeah. Tunisia, but we didn't have you.

I did send a few messages to your wife to get to you to say, you know, that we're all thinking about you and we love you. No, I actually heard one of your episodes when we were away as well, kind of wishing as well, which was genuinely really, like, beautiful. And I mean that. I meant a lot because in a situation like that, it's mad. how kind of almost borderline sentimental you get because you kind of go, like even though this is kind of a ridiculous thing to do and all that kind of stuff

and we're not in as much peril as people obviously in the region and any way, shape or form. But all that said, there was like a particular night where there was like, you know, drone strikes overhead and like 11 of the boats had been hit and there's kind of no one coming to help you.

Right. You do kind of think, I, geez, like, I actually might die here. Right. Yeah. And so then like, a nice message from somebody who, you know, kind of vaguely thinks you're not a bad guy was just elevated to this extraordinary level.

You're like, oh my God, people care. Yeah, I was really like that was the prevailing kind of realization when we were away. Like one of the one of the activists said that night was like 3 a.m. like drone strikes all night. I'm on night watch. Like I don't have any special skills. I've got like a little lamp on my head and a walkie talkie and I'm looking out for drones. again, if I see a drone, what am I going to do?

I'm not going to fight the drone. There was something very pathetic about like, you know, man potting around boat searching for drones. Yeah, looking at one and going, well, now what? There's a drone. Okay. Anyone got a plan for when I see drone? They don't have said there was no plan.

My part is done. I look and tell you when I see it. Exactly. Now someone else's job is to do something about that. And I was good at that part But the part of like Oh, there's no one then is going to It almost felt like it was a big film or whatnot

And then we'd caught because we'd say Okay, there's drones here now that's a bit dangerous Right. You need to get the adults like or people who know what they're doing Into this situation and they That moment never came. So that was the kind of I think The thing I took from the trip most

More than anything else it was like Oh, this is what it must be like You know, just for a split second I had a sense of what it was like to be, say, in Gaza where, like, no one's going to come. No one's coming to help. And then you literally sailed from that

into captivity, into being, I mean, there's, I imagine the scene of being abducted, surrounded, boarded, you know, captured, and then taken wherever you're taken. And, you know, Matt knows this very, very well on this podcast. I personally have no experience with incarceration, so I have no idea what that's about.

You see, Tyge he does because he was incarcerated in Mexico for a few days and he brings it up maybe every other. No, I've never said anything like that whatsoever. I've heard him. I've heard him. I've heard him. You know, I was arrested when I was in fifth grade for stealing from a Robinson's maid department store and I don't bring that up. But I was arrested. In fifth grade?

Fifth grade, that's right. They handcuffed me and then they made me go up all of the elevators to the security area. Oh, wow. Wow. I was crying. It was pretty pathetic. What did you steal? I stole a USC shirt for a friend. I had gotten so brazen that I started taking requests. That's so sweet. I'm a really nice guy.

But anyways. You were all thinking of others. But I was driving at something serious there, which is to say you've also gotten to experience, you know, losing the custody battle between freedom and Israel. And being under their tender, love, and care for a few days. My two parents, my two parents are freedom in Israel. It was such a wild conception.

Yeah, they were drunk and the two genders. We've all been there. We all tried it. But what, I mean, I've only heard reports of what that was like from a few people who were there, Christian Smalls who was there. and, you know, a few others. What was that like for you? I mean, yeah, how did you experience? Like, it was, I mean, how could I sum it up?

It was a mixture of kind of genuinely quite scary and a little bit shocking and worrying and then also ridiculous at the same time. So, I mean, there's something about the Israelis. They're just like world leaders at, you know, creating the sense of menace and, you know, were going to be really sadistic and horrible towards you,

but were just completely inherently silly as we do it. It's just, it's mad. Even as they were trying to meet out cruelty, they'd be like, fumble. Like at one point, they were trying to set up the TV to show us some October 7th propaganda on a loop. Oh, that's nice. I was really nice.

And I enjoyed it because the music was like really like quite bad, but it was kind of funny bad. And so I got a good kick out of it. But all the corner of my eye, I was looking out through the bars and I could see like three, which then became four, and ultimately it was six people trying to set up the TV for two and a half hours. And I was like, guys, please, like, please. Or they did this thing to me as well.

Like when we were being processed for a split second, it's kind of, so I wouldn't sign any of their forms. Mostly because I was like, it was very hard to kind of really gather what they were trying to get you to say you had done or not. You know, sometimes the form would be like, you know, there's no, you're not admitting to. any wrongdoing here. And then at the end, it'd say, you know, so you'd like to go back to your own country. Then, you know, you just say that you've entered Israel illegally. And I'm like, no, no, no. Hold on a second.

We never, we never bargained for that. Like, you know. But when I eventually said, I'm not saying anything, it was a shift in the mood. And then it was like, okay, you're going to prison, boy. And any kind of vague pleasantries or humanity was just gone. And they were, they did this kind of check on us. And then they kind of were about to bundle us out the door and we're heading to prison. But before they did it, they put like, what you say, like a kind of bag over my head, like a cotton bag, you know, kind of Guantanamo Bay kind of freestyle stuff.

Except I could see there was a prison van right outside the door. And they'd been telling me I'm going to prison all day. So I just felt like that the bag routine didn't really work. Right. Because I knew I was going in a prison van. You know, and then I just took it off. Like as soon as I got a connection to the fan, you know. What are we doing?

All their malevolent games, I didn't think were like really well. well thought through like you know and so they just didn't want you looking out the window of the prison van and seeing all the happy uh democratically enfranchised that's right that's right yeah yeah they don't want you looking at all that not apartheid happening all that democracy no i also think it's it's really funny showing you know a bunch of people who are so so driven by the uh genocide of the Palestinian people that is being you know you know, done by Israel, that they board a flotilla to try to break the siege. It is really funny to show them footage of October 7th.

Try to give them a detention with audiovisual guidance. Just because it's like, wait, what do you think you're achieving here? It's like, I know in their minds they're like, oh, see, the problem is, is all of these people have been brainwashed and they just don't know that, you know, how bad October 7th, was it's it is just that's an incredibly funny thing to show if someone is at that point where you're like I'm literally going to put my life in my hands in order to try to help some of these genocided people and you're like well you know what check out this video footage of me and my friends getting our ass kicked on October 7th it's just like you're going to be like what like

oh my god you mean there was a pretext for all this my mind has been changed forever Or you're going to just eat popcorn and go more. No, I want to see more videos of you guys getting killed. They did, like exactly as you're saying, they did say that though. Like there was one guy who was like chatting a little bit when we were being processed, like one of the guards, one of the, I don't know, I don't know, the kind of port prison guard type guys. Sure.

And he was saying that, you know, the problem with you guys is you're just eating up propaganda. You're not watching enough news. like. So if you just walk, I think what he was getting at was like, you need to watch some of our news. Like, you know. And I was like, whoa, okay. So you think the only issue is that we're just watching the one. And I'm like, what is the channel that you're talking about, you know? Because like, it's everywhere is, everywhere showing what you're doing. Yeah. It was, it was kind of fascinating to be honest. But, um, but yeah, but being up close and personal to the kind of the, the mindset. I felt like that there was a kind of, um, a mentality of we're going to, like, stop pretending that we're ever going to win. back anyone thinking that were nice or that were good guys or whatever. Like there's a real doubling down and it kind of a, yeah, kind of a fuck you. Like at one point, they did this kind of, the first night did do this arbitrary count so that they can keep you awake. So they come in every hour and they wake you up and they put on the lights. And nobody was provoking them yet because we were all like firstly we're tired. We'd been like driving six hours through the desert. People

are making up their minds as to what they're going to do. And this like really small guard like this impossibly, it seemed like the prison guards were. all diminutive, like really angry Israelis. They were funny. Like, there was this really small guy came in and he like, he did the count. And then as he was leaving, he was like, fuck Palestine. And he left here and was like, ma'am, we're half asleep. Like, we're let's play tomorrow. Yeah. He's just giving a thumbs up. Cool, buddy. All right. He's like, I love you. As if you're going to, as if you're going to just pop up and go, whoa, whoa, whoa. What did you say? I can't stand for that.

No, don't get me off. What are you mean? Honey, I'm tired. Can we talk about this in the morning? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's their version of why do you say sex? Tonight's so special.

Why ruin it, you know? I thought you guys were pro-Palestine. I wanted to debate Palestine. No pig. Yeah. So, I mean, it's just, it's, it was crazy watching, you know, you experienced that. And I was so happy when you were released. And, you know, you talk about how this was you experiencing just a fraction of what it's like to be a Palestinian, constantly under threat, constantly, you know, knowing, I guess, that you are, if you were to be killed by Israel, no one would have your back.

Your own government wouldn't have your back. All you would have is support of us powerless individuals who are the majority in every country. country who all agree that this is a genocide and is evil. So, and for me, I felt similarly, I mean, obviously not even close to the same, but this, it felt a lot like, you know, I know so many people on the flotillas. It felt a lot like having what it must be like to have, you know, a family in Palestine, what, you know, to be if something were to happen, how helpless I would feel trying to deal with any of our elected leaders. to be like, hey, they won't release, you know, my friends from captivity or, you know,

God forbid, you know, you had been murdered by them. You know, good luck getting anyone in the United States, at least, in office, to give a shit or to do a sanction, a single sanction. It's the same here, though. I mean, for what it's worth, at least you know that your government doesn't give a shit. Like, at least there's a clarity there. So, like, it's really frustrating at Ireland. because there's a kind of a duplicity to the Irish government, which is heartbreaking.

They make a lot of, like, hard speeches. But my predominant emotion after I came home was actually anger more than anything else. Because as you say, like, we were trying to bring baby formula to, you know, starving babies in Gaza. None of us have any criminal records. Like, amongst the Irish contingent, one guy is like a 75-year-old man that wasn't being given access to his insulin. And you could see the Israelis were like, we're not really going to kill anyone because that's going to be bad PR. but if somebody dies, like that is amazing. So they denied him access to his medicine for three days

and he became like seriously unwell. Oh my God. When I came home, I just couldn't believe that the Irish government knew all this. They said they were going to keep in touch with us afterwards and I haven't heard from any of them, obviously. Wow. And we spoke to Amnesty International

who were just like, we need to force the Irish government to say or do something here because otherwise it sets a precedent that you can now just abduct Irish citizens anywhere in international waters. And the Irish government would go, I really hope they come home, soon because that's what they did for us.

They basically just said, like, I really hope those guys come home. Yeah, yeah. We definitely don't want any of them to die. Fingers crossed. Like, I just think it's like another example of how Israel and the US combined have just destroyed international law and just any basic accountability at all. And it's really hard to, how do you navigate forward now that that's gone or whatever,

you know? So it's, it's, I'm mostly, I mean, I'm not angry right now. I mean, World War III is on or whatever. But when people talk about the flotilla these days, it's, like, I just still can't believe the Irish government is still so weak that it hasn't said or done. And like, even just send an angry letter to Israel saying, please don't abduct our citizens anymore. Could we not just say a strongly worded fucking email like I take? Yeah.

Yeah. It's, it is crazy. And that kind of perfectly dovetails into this. That's why I did it, Matt. Yeah, well, because you're a fucking pro. More like hot cocktails. Excuse me? Hottails.

Rather than dovetails were in the time. Hottails, that's right. Yeah, okay. I thought that was, I thought you were going for a Hock-Tua thing, but I'm glad. I think Daniel's punning thing is getting worse. I just want to say that objectively, or better, depending on how you do it. I mean, he's good at punning, but he won't stop doing it. He's excellent at them.

I know, I know. And for that alone, I am appreciative of it. The only, the danger is that I'm worried that people think I'm, that's all I'm, well, what I'm worried is, is that people will get the impression, a mistaken impression, that I'm not really listening to the conversation or engaging. with it, but that rather I am sort of several steps removed in my own little contained thing, playing with sounds and words to no benefit of the conversation itself and to no one's edification. It always benefits, and I can tell your present. So it's an amazing thing. Your brain just does it

automatically. Same. I have to say that. I have to say. I agree totally. I think both those things are true. You are doing that while also listening intently as to what's going on. It's like a good disease. You have a good disease. That's a great segue. Speaking of good disease is Zionism. We need to talk about where this erosion in international law and the norms of even bad folks has gotten us. We are now at a point where we are so, I guess, removed from even four. finding a reason to pretend as if Israel isn't driving American foreign policy,

that we're just doing it and hoping that no one says anything about it. So we're going to talk about Operation Epic Fury. This was already on that. You know that, like, whatever it was going to be, they knew that they had to use the word epic in whatever the next adventure is. Like, Hedek Seth was like, I'm only taking this position, sir, I'm honored. I'm honored to be named the Secretary of War

I promise you and this is my condition I have to be able to use the word epic as often as possible Yeah They require it They require everything to not only be evil But also lame

Which is, you know I'm not sure what's worse So Iran has been attacked by Israel and the United States leading to a regional, as of now, a regional conflict in which Iran is firing missiles back at Tel Aviv, at Bahrain, at the UAE. I mean, it's crazy. We're watching this all happen.

And this was naturally described as a preemptive strike, you guys. This is the Israeli bread and butter strike, you know, act as if you've already been attacked and attack, you know, and attack on that premise. This is what we did in Iraq in 2003. This is what Israel did in 67. I mean, Israel is famous for the preemptive strike. It's how they do. And then, you know, kind of going back in time and erasing that part of their history. I remember growing up thinking all of the Arab neighbors had attacked Israel in 67 and they were just defending themselves. And then, of course, doing any reading on the subject will completely change. Blasted books. Yeah. The goddamn books written by Israelis who are for it, by the way.

They were pro this. But they're all openly admitting, yes, we did a preemptive strike. So the reasons are the same as they've always been, I think, but this time a little bit more confused. I want to read you guys this tweet from Scott Jennings, who is this like CNN guy who exists to do panel shows in which he says just fundamentally evil things. This is one of the more insane messaging around the preemptive strike. So listen to this. Senior Trump administration officials telling me that credible intelligence indicated Iran planned preemptive missile strikes against the U.S. military targets in the region and against civilian targets as well.

Failure to act would have resulted in mass U.S. casualties. So it was pre-preemptive. So to be clear, it was a preemptive strike because Iran was going to do a preemptive strike. And they were preempting the United States's preemptive strike. Yeah, and now there are mass U.S. casualties. Yes, there are. I guess Jennings is an accelerationist.

Oh, shit, that's right. He was just trying to get it going. He's like, come on. Let's get it over with. Let's kill some guys for Israel. Yeah, no, I mean, that messaging to me is incredible because it is literally, it admits in the message that they were going, that Iran was doing preemptive, going to do a preemptive strike, which admits that the United States was going to strike, which you can't then say,

I'm doing a preemptive strike to avoid the preemptive strike. At this point, the messaging has gotten so fucking insane. In fact, Matt Walsh, who is a famous piece of shit, accidentally. Did you see this fucking tweet? No, there's been a couple of inveterate pieces of shit who have said some pretty clear-headed things. Yes. Oh, wow. Okay.

It happens, you know, and in this case, he is right about this. First, I'll read you guys the tweet. In the tweet, he says, so far, we've heard that although we killed the whole Iranian regime, this was not a regime-changed war. And although we obliterated their nuclear program, we had to do this because of their nuclear program. And although Iran was not planning any attacks on the U.S., they also might have been, depending on who you ask. And although we are not fighting this war to free the Iranian people, they are now free,

or might be depending on who sees his power. And we have no idea who that will be. The messaging on this thing is to put it mildly confused. It's a perfect tweet. That's a perfect tweet. And I'm going to just play just some of what he's talking about here. This is not a so-called regime change war. But the regime sure did change.

In June, we obliterated Iran's nuclear enrichment capacity. The side that the rated nuclear size have been totally obliterated. What's left to go after? You can get whatever the dust is down there. They were warned to make no future attempts to rebuild their weapons program in a particular nuclear weapons. Yet they continue and are at this moment again pursuing their sinister ambitions. I have no indication that they were anywhere close to getting nuclear weapons because our bombing was devastating. And Margaret, that's one of the reasons I urged President Trump, now is the time.

Okay, so none of that makes any fucking sense. Oh, my God. We are dealing with a message in crisis that is unlike any I've ever seen. Every single point in that is, it conflicts with someone else's point. There's no one thing. It's like with Iraq, you had a very simple, huge lie about what Saddam's capabilities were. You had people testifying in front of Congress saying they have WMDs, you know, we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud, blah, blah, blah, blah. In this case, because Trump's ego can't let go of the initial strike that they did last year, he can't let go of being the guy who obliterated the nuclear program.

he will say, yes, they have no nuclear program, but also we need to now invade them because of their nuclear program. It makes no sense. And you have Ted Cruz who just said, there's no indication that they have any nuclear capabilities at all, which is the very reason I told Trump that now is the time. You've got to nip it in the non-existent bud.

None of it makes any fucking sense. And Hegseth talking about how this is not a regime. James War, but the regime sure did change. Can we talk about Hegseth for a second? Please. Okay. So he's a poet. He's a poet.

He's a poet. He's a poet. First of all, he's a poet, but he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, biting ass MC, okay? Oh, he's, he's stealing his bars from, from me, okay? What? Because, because, because look at, play the clip where he talks about, uh, death, death, uh, death, death to a death from?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Hexat talking. Here we go. Yeah. Turns out the regime who chanted death to America and death to Israel was gifted death from America and death from Israel. All right, he said that like today or yesterday, okay?

On February 28th, I tweeted out when people say death to America, they're just trying to balance the ledger, death from America has been running up one hell of a tap. So fuck you. Get your own shit, Pete. All right. If you want to be an emcee in this game, write your own bars, okay?

I'm not your ghostwriter or pay me. Terrible. That is messed up, man. All right. Now, but at the same time, I'm torn because I want to be angry at him because no one likes a biting ass MC. But at the same time, I understand that he is, he's in recovery. and I'm talking to two guys here who know that relapse is a genuine thing.

And we have to have some compassion. You know, the wagon is a slippery thing. It's easy to fall off. And as if to make the point for us, why don't we hear from Pete Higgseth's sponsor, Pig Hed Seth, from 2024 just before the election? So true, Adam. So true. I've been a recovering neocan for six years now.

Oh, no. Oh, he fell off. With which we ricocheted around the world, intervening, think it was in our best interest when really we just overturned the table and created something worse in almost every single scenario has led to almost, I mean, the hubris of the Pentagon is that they want to now tell other countries

how to do counterinsurgency based on what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like, are you kidding me? So you really have learned nothing. Oh my God, dude. That's from 15 months ago. You know how many times I've seen this at an NA meeting? I've seen this happen so much.

It'd be like someone with three months clean who's just like, man, never again will I be out there be a slave to dope, all right? I'm done with this shit. I got God on my side. In fact, some of y'all are slacking. Some of y'all are slacking out here, not doing the steps, not working your inventory with your sponsor. A few months later, they're taking a fucking

just for today chip and they're just like, so I fucked up a little bit. But I'm a proud and grateful alcoholic one day sober. Dude, and I can't wait for all these dudes

to very shortly just denounce this, Trump, everything. You know, you can see these guys flip flopping like so much. And,

you know, I wondered what your take on this was. I think it's always been a bit like this, right? But this particular outbreak of potentially World War III has really seen the kind of the destruction of anything approaching an objective take on what's going on. Yeah. So like even on our site, even on our side, right? So I don't know you boys still using Twitter. Like I love the misery, right? So I'm still on Twitter.

And you just have, you know, the Zionist going. This is incredible. We've killed everyone in Iran, except for the people that were trying to free. Where are the best? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then people on our side are saying, oh my God,

Iran are just like killing it. Like, day one has been unbelievable. Even though they've lost, like most of their kind of, like, like, command. It's been a great day. Yes.

I feel like this is, this is part of why Trump and Hegset and all these people are just kind of going, it doesn't matter. It actually doesn't matter if we have any support or not. It doesn't matter if we have any evidence or not. Let's just do it. let's just do shit.

No, it's the full, it's the full jokerification of politics. It's, you know, we're just fully, we're all, we're all, you know, swine on the funny farm at this point.

Yeah. Put it this way. If those guys watched your presentation, I think they'd be indifferent. They don't feel like they need to correct the fact that it's a confused messaging that makes no sense. Did you see JD,

did you see JD Vance's video to the American people? No. He's like, you do. You know, He comes in to sort of run cover for abusive daddy. And he'll be like, look, I understand, I empathize.

He literally said, used the word empathize. I empathize with Americans who are sick of foreign entanglements. And who are confused. I love using empathy instead of sympathy there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's very telling where he's just like, man, I could see how that would hurt for you guys. As someone who is separate, completely separate from this,

I don't even know what to tell you. Yeah, I'm sorry you feel that way. But then he says, and might be confused, you know, but the difference is that in past foreign regime changed wars, we had dumb presidents. That's right, yes. Oh, sweet lord. Yeah, it is.

Just trust Trump. Just trust Trump. That's it. Yes, and this is, I mean, the ultimate messaging is, if Trump is doing it must be correct. And that's always been sort of the ethos of, the MAGA crowd. But I agree with you.

Let's hear how our non-dum president is handling, say, the news that U.S. soldiers are dying for Israel or nothing. Can you play the Trump clip there, Matt? Finally, we honor one more American soldier,

a fallen warrior of world, of wars, and really, a really terror. Stay of Saudi. What the fuck? What? He's doing great.

A fallen warrior, warrior of world. of wars of worlds and wars of the worlds of the worlds of HG Wells. This foreign regime change operation is brought to you by the letter W. Well, Lerlis, you guys have got a great president. Yeah. I think you're in safe hands.

Yeah, no, we're in safe hands. But I agree with you completely that it's like this is the, there was at one point a pretense that kind of had to be maintained, I think, in order to manufacture consent. And now the consent is, there's no need to manufacture. It's like, you know, Chomsky's canceled, bro. Yeah. So is the manufacturing of consent.

Now it's just assumed. It's all gone. It's not even assumed. It's not even assumed. No, it's eschewed. We don't care if you consent or not. It's obsolete. Your consent is not required.

Yes, yes. And this is, you know, how the, you can see this from the messaging being so convoluted that they had no interest in, I don't know, deciding on where they're going on what is actually happening here. And instead, they're taking it question by question. That's how they're dealing with anyone who is possibly dissenting. So, like, the question that I've had about this is, how is this Forever War different than all other forever wars? And it seems like everyone's got a different answer to this. And this is what I find kind of fascinating. So if you ask the Trump administration, they'll tell you that they have a new definition of Forever

Wars. You see, Forever Wars are no longer the name given to U.S. foreign policy of destabilizing a region through war and occupying and maintaining order and what we did in Iraq, for example. Now, forever wars are something that has been done to us. And this is exemplified by this tweet from the House Foreign Affairs Committee

who wrote, President Trump is ending the forever war that Iran has waged against America for the last 47 years. Well, at least we now know what the actual length of infinity is. It's 47 years. Right, exactly.

That's the largest number one can count to. Isn't that crazy? And hold the second. When was the coup? When was the CIA back coup that overthrew Mossadegh? Wasn't it in the 50s? Yeah, yeah. That's a fuck ton longer than 47 years.

Right, right, right. Yeah, that's true. They don't count that far. They only count from starting at 79, I assume. Yeah. But it's like, it's just a really funny thing because, you know, people have been stating sort of the, obvious hypocrisy, which is, didn't you say you're against Forever Wars? Pete Hegsteth,

you said on this podcast, look at this, is you saying you're against this type of interventionism. So they're taking it question by question. They go like, whoa, whoa, whoa, when it comes to Forever Wars, kind of have a different mode of talking about it. Now they've changed the definition of it. So that's like, that's Trump. But if you ask someone like, let's say John Federman, He will tell you something different. This is his view on all of this. Yeah, no, I mean, it's truly incredible. And let me just say, like, all of the naysayers,

you know, all these so-called experts, aren't you ever tired of being wrong about this? You know, everybody claimed that this was going to turn into, like, a huge disaster or things could be, you go out of control. And then she's actually not what happened. You go out of town, what? He was about to get off. He was about to get off the sentence at the wrong exit.

He's like, these people are saying that, you know, you're going to, it's going to go out of town for the weekend and tell the wife to feed the cat wings. And I barely knew her, honey, and she was 17. I never saw the pit. But I'm trying to get through season one now. Aren't you guys sick of being wrong?

Yeah, anyways, point is, what's the point? Like, him. Better man. But before he, like, you know, went astray there a little bit, you know, his point being all these naysayers. He was his manager? Yeah, like, let me just, hold on. Let me do a little bit of translating.

I'm like the... What John was trying to say was... Yeah, exactly. He's a little tired right now. He's had a long day of lumbering. No, look, he came out strong in the first clause of the sentence. You know, he lost his way then, you know.

Sentry people right. After the comma, after the comma, he got a little lost. But he recovered. But Democrats like him, you know, are an interesting thing because, like, he's saying something along the lines of this, you know, hey, what now, naysayers? You all said this would be a huge disaster.

It's been two fucking days at this point. Yeah, what point is even trying to make? That's what I kept thinking of? What point are you attempting to make here that it's all gone so well in the first couple of days? I mean, they came the same about Iraq, Afghanistan, every single U.S. intervention I can think of. Yes, that's the thing, though. It's the phrase.

They said this would go on for 10 years. It's only gone on for two days. Would you people ever get tired of being wrong? Two days. I went into town for two days. I went in town for two days. I got some wings. Met her girl?

I didn't get her ID. It was like, well, what are we talking about, John? But it's like, you know, what he is not saying because, you know, it would be either politically incorrect, you know, to say, or he's, his brain doesn't work anymore. What he's not saying is mission accomplished because he knows he can't say that because that phrase maybe has some negative connotations. And that is essentially what he and a lot of people have been doing. They've been doing this like mission accomplished style told you so, which is like, you know, if you look back to 03 when we invaded Iraq, it was like, you know, days and days of us just going in and kicking ass. We're toppling statues. And then eventually we got Saddam and then we hung them and we did all that stuff and there was a mission

Encomplished banner and all of this shit as if like two days into that we were like this war, you know, this is bad. No, no, no. People went along with that shit for a while until they realized mission was not accomplished. Yes. And, you know, if you ask other liberals, forever wars are only bad when they are illegal. or don't follow the correct process. And that's what we're dealing with the Democratic Party here.

So on February 24, Chuck Schumer was briefed about this military action that was about to take place. And his only response to the media was just a quick little sentence or two. Here it is. This is serious. And the administration has to make its case to the American people. Would you hear it? That was it. That's all it was.

And it was him cryptically saying, this is a very serious thing. I have to go. Yeah, I got to go. I got to go into town. I got to go into town, get some wings with betterment. We got to hide a body. But he's like, he is doing coward shit. You know, like Schumer is and has always been in favor of military intervention in Iran.

this has been his thing for the longest time. We have played clips from when he was young to when he was old, talking about trying to destroy the regime in Iran. And he, at this point, he cannot appear to be working with or in favor of Trump. He can't be in favor of the plans. So he's going to cry about how, oh, we didn't get a vote, even though they made damn sure that they weren't going to get a vote. when there was a resolution that was put out by, I think, Massey and Rokana called the War Powers Resolution.

And it was basically the president has 60 days from the initiation of a conflict to obtain after the fact permission from Congress in form of a declaration of war in order to continue and officialize the conflict. So this is in June of 2025, Thomas Massey and Rokane introduced a war powers resolution in the House. of representatives that aims to withdraw all U.S. forces from and cease hostilities with Iran. And the bill had 84 Democratic co-sponsors and no Republicans other than Massey. This would essentially make it so that Congress had to be the final say before there was, you know, before the executive branch decided to go to war, which is part of the Constitution. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was going to say, this would basically make it as if the Constitution was binding.

Right, as if the Constitution was real. And adding a constitutional amendment that be like, be it resolved that all the other shit we just said, we mean it. Yeah. And they were going to have a vote on it, but there were a few Democratic lawmakers who were against it and called it, like the Ayatollah. act, essentially making it so that people couldn't get on the record with wanting to stop Trump. Because at the end of the day, the Democratic Party does not want to stop Trump, the leaders at least, especially Chuck Schumer, who is doing his utmost to get Trump to actually follow through on these plans so that he can be neither for nor against it and so that he can criticize it later.

But he wants the same thing. And that is, I think, the disgusting thing, which is why you see all of these other fucking cowardly, useless democratic politicians who are saying things like, listen, I'm no fan of the Ayatollah, but someone has got to tell me first, I would have said yes if you just let me be a part of it. Here's Tammy Duckworth. I'm glad the commune is dead. He ordered the massacre. and murder of thousands of people, protesters are protesting for democracy. My problem with this whole thing is how President Trump has gone about doing this. He promised Americans that he would get us out of Forever Wars, and yet here he is on his own launching an attack on Iran without congressional oversight

when there appeared to be no imminent threats. I love that. I love that. You made a starting of a point about Forever Wars. He promised he wouldn't do Forever Wars, But here he is not asking us if it's okay for him to do forever. The Democrats are Dr. Peter Vakman trolling Walter Peck. And why is that? His man has no, no, no, earlier than that in their first scene together.

This is a ghost poster. And why not, Mr. Vankman? Because you did not say the magic word. That's right. And what is the magic word, Mr. Vankman? Please. Please. Yeah.

No, seriously. Oh, really? This ties into Ghostbusters, Daniel. Okay, fine. Don't put me in Mexican jail about it. It's just like, it's disgusting watching that be sort of the standard liberal Democrat line, which is like, oh, listen, we all, I'm glad he's dead. I'm glad that Trump did this, but the way he did it is bad. Yeah.

Because they're trying to have it both ways because they need to do the thing that they accuse every fucking, and this includes like radical libs who call themselves leftists, who do nothing but try to tow this line where they go like, listen, I agree that, you know, someone needs to take out the Ayatollah. But I never said I wanted Trump to do it or anybody to do it. It's like, yeah, but also you are openly and publicly making it your. Lorraine to be the person who's like, I'm going to thread the needle of being against the Ayatollah, but also against intervention. Yes. You're not. I would have thought that after like the last two and a half years of murder and mayhem,

there'd be people with balls in Democrats enough to say maybe we're not in a good position to be an arbiter of who is morally, you know, acceptable and who is. isn't. Right. So like you, and maybe you don't have to qualify at all. Maybe you can, maybe you can say actually what we think of the Ayatollah is kind of irrelevant because if we uphold international law, then we can't just go murdering people, willy-nilly. That's not the way that it, that it goes. Like, you know, I just can't. As an outsider, it's kind of mind-bending that both sides of the house basically agree that at some point we need to balkanize Iran and absolutely destroy the country and kill as many civilians as necessary

kind of for Israel. Like that's mind-bending as an outsider. But what I want to ask you two boys, as I have to be there, is, you know, because a lot of the narrative online is, and I'm getting in on it too,

don't get me wrong, it's, you know, it's fun to get in on it. But the reductive angle of this is purely because Trump is compromised and he's doing this purely because he's in the files and all that kind of stuff. realize there's lots of different people. There's different stakeholders in the States.

Like you've got the neo-cons. You've got some people that just love war. But when it all comes down to it, is Trump literally doing the things that he kind of got elected saying he would not do because he is an Israel stooge and he's compromised? Like, is that it? Like, is it that?

Who knows? I don't know about comp. No one fucking knows. All of this speculation, it reminds me of the thing about, I mean, I guess with the Epstein files, you know, starting to trickle out. There's more, there's a lot more credence to, to that idea than there ever was that Putin had a pee tape on him or something like that. Right, right. You know, Lib's trying to explain everything by, by virtue of, you know, compromise or whatever. Yeah,

urine, compromise. But I don't know what's driving him. I know that Miriam Adelson's $250 million made a dent, but I think it also is just the case that his principles were never principles. He believes whatever he's saying when he's saying it. He has no recall for, like a principle is something that withstands the changing of circumstances, time and whoever's whispering their hot neocon breath in your ear. And he proved in his first administration he couldn't resist the pull of people like John Bolton. So why is he going to be able to resist the pull of Netanyahu and Lindsay Graham at his most rabid and in heat? you know, I just don't know.

I'm very loathe to explain everything through the lens of pedophilic. Yeah. Yeah, I just don't see the world as requiring that level of conspiracy to explain how things work. I would, yeah, I agree with that. For the most part, I do think that a lot of that is cope. And I do see that coming from the left, but also from the right. I think the right is doing it as cope because they say, no, but Trump promised he would do this, that, and the other. You know, he said, you know, he wouldn't go to war with Iran.

You know, he said, you know, no more forever wars, blah, blah, blah. It must be the Israelis leading him around, you know, by the dick or because he has compromise or whatever. I think that is cope. I think that Trump's someone who has one principle, which is that he is right about everything. and he, I think, sees, he has a boner for this kind of strong man action. I think he always has had that boner, and he's really been flexing it for... Vintage boner, like that. I mean, you know, this entire second term has been him, you know, invading Venezuela and deposing, you know, Maduro.

It's been, you know, them doing such hard sanctions on Cuba that they're, you know, starving the population. It's been continuing to let Israel run roughshod over the Middle East and do whatever the fuck they say to do over there. It's been him putting ice troops in fucking Minnesota and killing American citizens and saying, oh, no, that's okay, we're allowed to do that. Yeah, doing his best to make those of us who were like, including me, who was like, okay, the word fascist is kind of an exaggeration. called down, making us look stupid silly. Because you are silly. But this particular war though,

like I totally get, I mean, Venezuela, like, I'm not a fan, obviously, of what he did in Venezuela, but in terms of like, you know, to appeal to your base, it was, you know, a one and done kind of thing. But this war, I mean, it's clear

that they're aware that it's not good for it's not a good look to the base, like in terms of the polling. otherwise you wouldn't have all this kind of double speak and people tying themselves. It's true. And it's before the midterm. So there's just an incredible amount of insouciance about it. I also think one difference between this administration and is, thank you. Just to say, I'm just saying that that shows the audience then that I'm also familiar with the word.

I mean, I wouldn't probably have the skill set to use it. Yeah. But I know of it. Yeah. Go on, Daniel. Sorry. Yeah, it's right. It's your show.

Thank you. I went out of town there with the compliment, you know, and I just went out of town. I was focusing on that. Chuck and Betterman, like, looking for a third, I think. This administration is entirely post-October 7th. It's in the context of a new vision for how to profit from and exploit the Middle East. Absolutely. The Gaza Riviera kind of is a whole new vista.

for Trump and and and you know the part of him that gets tickled in his kishkas at the prospect of a lucrative reinvention of something and and transforming something good and natural into something garish and profitable yeah and with that in mind i don't pretend to understand all of the regional you know gaming out of everything but but i know that iran as the man regional opponent of U.S. and Israeli hegemony that might have

given how much the world that Trump's class and the people surrounding him stand to win by having no opposition is in some ways a new one, a more vivid one. And I wonder if that's good for it.

I mean, that's my Occam's razor explanation. There could also be a tape of him, you know, getting peed on by by by by a room full of toddlers and as far even if there was he wouldn't care that's the thing it's like none nothing matters because you know when uh denies when you when you when you've got to go you you've got to go you got to and that's what we said to the iatollet it's time for you to go yeah exactly um yeah i mean it is uh i think look if you look at the messaging being so insane um it makes me have sort of no problem with people who are going to immediately jump to whatever theories they want.

I mean, at this point, with all of the conflicting narratives as to why they're doing this at all, it is clear that all of those are bullshit. And you're led to no other conclusion than Trump is someone who will do the bidding of Israel, someone who loves that Israel, you know, names fucking settlement. after him and loves the idea that he can just do whatever the fuck he wants. Because at the end of the day, all of this fucking, you know, politicking that countries do with each other, the, you know, negotiating whatnot. It's all supposed to be done sort of in good faith with the idea that like, hey, no one

wants problems. And Trump understands that no one wants problems with the United States. So he's going to just, he's going to do the fucking muscle man shit that he does and be like who's going to fucking stop me. Including the countries that talk tough like Canada, Mark Carney. We praised him in a very limited way for his wonderful speech. And he comes out with a statement after the U.S. and Israel bomb Iran that says, we are closely monitoring the Iran-related hostilities.

Iran-related hostilities is a crazier phrase than officer-involved shooting. Right. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And, you know, it's what I find funny. I'm sorry, Matt. You just said something, though, that there's no other explanation other than that Israel has... No, I'm not saying there's no other explanation. I'm saying all of the explanations given lead you to believe. Okay, but you must not be listening to Rachel Maddo.

And I hope by the end of this episode, you'll get a chance to consider what she has to say because she has some different explanations. I hadn't considered. Maybe Rachel... Maybe Rachel Madd has a perspective that I'm just missing. And so why did Donald Trump just start this war? Why is this happening? Thank you.

I've been wondering. Cui Bono, right? Who benefits? It's always useful to start that question in any country. Who benefits? Who wants Iran bombed off the map and for their own reasons? See, this is what I'm saying. Who are Iran's rivals?

I propose that we play, let's make this exciting. Let's put something at stake here. Let's put both of your sobriety at stake. Let's play a drinking game. Let's play a drinking game. This guy is determined for us to relapse. He just really wants us to do that. I want you and Hegset.

I want to see you guys in a room with Pete Hegsetth. All right. Every time Rachel Maddo mentions Israel as the reason that the U.S. is doing this, you guys have to take a shot. Well, Daniel, that's not fair. We're going to get drunk because she's going to mention it so much. Here, let's hear it. Perennially, it's the Gulf Arab states.

Countries like Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates and Qatar. You know, dry as a bone, dry as a bone. A country that just gave Donald Trump a really, really nice $400 million plane, really a gilded flying palace for his own use

during the presidency. You guys noticed that her and Tucker Carlson have similar mannerisms. The pauses, the quizzical look. I prefer his. I prefer his, but she's the originator.

I feel like he's copying her playbook. Yeah, that's true. He is doing mad. His presidency and after Trump plans to take that plane with him and keep using it after he leaves office. Okay. If he ever leaves office. Right. But... And you remember United Arab Emirates. Mm-hmm. Famous for recently structuring... Yeah, the stable coin. Totally pointless crypto financial transaction so that $2 billion of it would be stuffed into the

Trump family's otherwise worthless brand new crypto financial firm. Yeah, okay, but you're saying why, but let's, okay. There we go. There we go. Just as Trump's first term in office came to a close. You might remember enough people were alarmed about that when it happened that the Trump folks actually sort of bothered to come up with an excuse for what made that okay. They said, don't worry, Jared will never again work for the U.S. government. He's never coming back to Washington. So it's okay that he's taken all this money from the Saudis now. We will never have to worry about having somebody. Yeah, but no, but Kushner also has very close ties with this other country. Listen, I don't want to relapse, but at this point, I'll do it just so that you can say.

the word Israel. Who has also just been given billions of dollars by Saudi Arabia apparently for no reason. Well, that was the explanation when he took all that money from the Saudis at the end of Trump's first term. And now today, who's been leading

the negotiations on behalf of... Did he say it? No, she didn't say it. Did she? I don't think so. The United States government with Iran before we just started this war with them today? It's on the screen. Mark of State, Marco Rubio was in St. She could. Say it.

No, it was Jared Kushner. The president's son-in-law recently paid billions of dollars by Iran's chief rival and nevertheless sitting there alongside Trump's tiny real estate friends. I'm sorry, Iran's chief rival is the Saudis? The Saudis? Considerable Saudi fortunes by going. Okay, okay. You guys made it.

Congratulations. I got the shit out of them like twice in the last year, you know. Yo. The, it is crazy that she could have just read the fucking Kairon. Yeah. U.S. and Israel, bomb Iran. I mean, this is where the liberals are going with this. This has been very interesting to watch the response from a lot of our institutional media and liberal 24-hour news networks because there's a lot of focus on the fact that Iran, in retaliation for these Israeli and U.S. attacks on it are bombing bases in the Gulf States. And these are very specifically attacks against the United States and against Israel. And they're going, look at this.

Look at Iran attacking all of these Gulf neighbors. Look at them. They're a rabbit dog. They're crazy. And watching it just gives you a fucking stroke. You straight up, fetterman out. I'm out of town, bro. I'm out of town.

You really get to see. I can't complete a sentence. You really get to see. who someone really is, okay? Yeah. After you bomb this shit out of them. That's when their true colors really come out. That's right.

That's right. Wow. It's very revealing. Classic Iran fighting back. Yeah. You dirty dogs. Why don't you just lay down and take it? You know what I would love to see somebody with again the balls, the human balls,

to come out and say, we don't care about Iranian civilians. Like we don't, like there's people that we're trying to free, you know, we're giving it all hot that we're just trying to free the Iranians. Like, nobody's mentioning the fact that we don't care about women, we don't care about life, and we sure don't care about freedom. Correct. Correct. Like, just come out and say it.

Like, I just, yeah, I'd respect them a bit more. There is an interesting, another angle in terms of how is this Forever War different than others. Ask Lindsay Graham, because he gives, I think, a very revealing answer about this. And I find this to be the most compelling. in terms of why this is different than, say, Iraq or Afghanistan. Here's this thing. The social media post Sunday, President Trump wrote this, quote, hopefully the IRGC and police will peacefully merge with the Iranian patriots

and work together as a unit to bring back the country to the greatness it deserves. Is hope the plan for the future of Iran? No, the future of Iran is going to be determined by the Iran. people. The new Iran, whatever it is, whatever, for this a cleric or a representative. What the hell you're talking about, Lucy? Our goal is to make sure it cannot become again, the largest state sponsor of terrorism. That's a win for us.

But is there a plan to make sure that happens, Senator? Is there a plan? Does the president have a plan to guarantee that that happens? No, it's not his job or my job to do this. How many times to have? How many times I have to tell you. Our job is to make sure Iran is no longer the largest state sponsor of terrorism to help the people reconstruct a new government, no boots on the ground. We don't own, you know this idea you break it, you own it. I don't buy that one bit.

I love that. You just said, you know what I say? You break it, I don't buy it. You buy it. You know all those old phrases, I don't buy it. A penny saved is a penny earned? I don't know. Maybe I stole that penny.

You know, there's a saying where I come from, aphorism is terrorism. Oh, man. Iran is the biggest state sponsor of aphorisms in the world. That's right. They're doing Islamic aphorisms against people. I love the way nobody pushes back on that as well. On either side of the house,

you just say the greatest sponsor of terrorism ever, and like that's it. There's no pushback. Like, where does the terrorism come from? Right. Yeah. Where, so these groups that they're funding, do they just wake up in the middle of the night and go, any new terrorists on the horizon?

Right. They can just like diabolically kind of fund or are they all literally groups that were founded to fight back against Israeli settler colonialism? Exactly. Exactly. Or American imperialism writ large. I mean, you just look at the history of the Middle East and you go like, this, you know, idea of

Iran funding terrorist cells and whatnot. It's so funny because all of that really applies much more to Saudi Arabia because you see the way in which Saudi Arabia has helped to fund a lot of these

I mean, shit, Wahhabism and like fucking ISIS and basically all of the pseudo-CIA-Op related types of actual terrorism that you have seen. And it's just, it's crazy, it's crazy that he, his point there to me is fascinating because what he is essentially saying is the problem with Iraq is that we went in there and we said

we would do something with it. We said we would nation build. We said we would, you know, we're just making no promises. That's the new thing. Yes. to be clear, that makes the United States government purely sort of like the administrative wing of our mercenary army. Like, you know.

We need to get big government out of having plans for the countries they destroy. Right. He's like, that's not what this is about. Yeah. The mistake in Iraq was we said we would do shit after we fucked it up. That was the mistake we made. Now we're just going to fuck it up and like let them just deal with it like. We talked about elections.

We talked about freedom. all that stuff. He's like, no, no, no. Any manisphair influencer would tell you, don't, don't, don't promise that bitch anything. Don't over promise. That's right. Exactly.

You got to mock these countries. You don't own her. You don't own her. That's right. Exactly what. Sometimes you break things and you walk away. That's, we are a bull in a China shop.

That's okay. But yeah, I mean, he's essentially saying that we can, our army is for sale. I mean, it is, you know, it is work. for the interests of either foreign governments like Israel, who's like, hey, we need you to, like, take out Iran for us, or it works, you know, for international oil conglomerates, like the ones who are benefiting, you know, after the arrest of Nicholas Maduro and Venezuela. This is,

this is like a much more clear-cut sort of ethos than we've had before. And what's interesting about this is, like, the way in which this is being propped up. If you ask like Pete Hegsith or Lindsay Graham, you know, about this, they'll talk about it like it's this new amazing third thing that exists. Like we used to have either, you know, isolationism, you know, where we don't do anything or we had, you know, neocon style fucking interventionism. And now we have a new thing where we can depose leaders and do regime change, but not risk any American. And just kind of fucking, you know, get in, get out.

No one gives a shit. This has been American foreign policy for a long time. We've done this. This is what the CIA has been doing. This is like this isn't new. They're acting like they invented a new way of doing war. Did you see the quote where Hegsteth was like, no more stupid rules of engagement? Right.

Yes. Yes. But we haven't had. No more stupid rules. Yeah. No more stupid rules, period. Engagement. marriages, all of it's off, dude.

We're doing absurdist. We're doing absurdist theaters of war. No more of this, you know, being fucking polyamorous and whatnot. No, we're cheating. Straight up cheating, man. Normalizing affairs. But yeah, it is, it's just so funny because it's like, you know, this is them trying to claim this new innovative tactic in American, you know,

militarism as if we haven't been doing this since like post Vietnam. Like post Vietnam pre-Vietnam, shit, we have been this country who has deposed leaders and done regime change and whatnot. We are

doing this shit again. The only difference from what I can see if there is a difference is that we still have no real explanation other than we still have no real explanation for why Israel gets to basically dictate our foreign policy in the Middle East,

other than the fact that the United States Congress and political class is bought out by fucking, you know, the Israel lobby. That's it. They're like, hey, this, we control American foreign policy with regards to the Middle East because if it's either that or you don't get elected. Yeah, Walter Meersheimer might be the last one standing when it all, when, when it all comes down to it in terms of, you know. coming up with catch-all explanations. I mean, that is how it seems. Should we take a break, Matt?

Because we got so much more to get to. That's true. We should take a break. And, you know, we're probably going to. People are getting like, who, guys. Where are my ads? Where are my ads that? I need a commercial.

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but please stick around listen to these ads don't join the CIA and we'll be right back and we're back as bad as bar as the world's most moral podcast here with tykeki how you doing tight doing good we're all doing Irish noises Irish noises that's what I figured comes from that from that whiskey you like to treat martial arts me I'm sorry We need to talk about the reason for the season, Israel. When this was all happening, you know, Tyge, you had this great parody video of your character, Noel Tishby, who likes to pose while running towards a bunker. This was happening, you know, lightning speed. It was crazy seeing, you know, we had Noah Tishby's video.

We had a bunch of other Israeli influencers all doing it, including our friends. friend, a friend of the pod, Alon Levy. Look at him. My boy. My boy. He's hard at work in the bomb shelter, which is hilarious because he is unemployed. And famously, and he, when I saw that post, it was so funny because right under it, I saw the post that he was making.

It was like, what are you hard at work doing? It's writing this. this is a war to liberate Iran. It's a rescue mission. The amount of stupid that they think we are is... It's very insulting. I got to say, I'm someone who is very cynical about the American populace, obviously, and I'm not someone who gives any credit to most Americans as being particularly good.

at identifying propaganda or identifying something that's a sci-hop or whatever the fuck. That being said, he's just using straight up war on terror, you know, era propaganda.

You know, they will view us as liberators. You know, this is, we, at the very least, I have enough credit to the American populace to think, we have not forgotten that type of propaganda.

The fact that he's using it as if every American is going to be like, oh, yeah, they will Vios as liberators. Never thought about it like that before. It's insulting. And I got in an argument with somebody about this who was just like, no, Americans are stupid. They will fall for it. I'm like, I'm sorry, no. Americans are stupid. They will fall for things.

But if you look at the elections since, you know, the Obama administration on, left wing, right wing, centrist, liberal, conservative, there has been one sort of unifying thing, which was that whole thing we did in Iraq was stupid and bad and we were lied into it by the government, whether it's because you're a fucking isolationist conservative or whether it's because you're an internationalist, leftist, Marxist, or a centrist, whatever the fuck. Everyone agrees that that era was stupid. And to use the same... And lamentable and embarrassing.

Yes. And the fact that Alon and all these like Israelis are using that same fucking language and expecting everyone to just fall in line, it is fucking insane to me. And very insulting. That's how I feel about it.

I think it's stupid. They've enjoyed so much impunity though. They've enjoyed... I mean, as you guys, I think, have proved better than anyone. The Hasbara is not good. It's just that it has... has traditionally historically been working very well.

Yeah. They haven't really had to fine tune it that much. They're still cracking out the same kind of ideas. They don't really have any new ideas. And they're probably still working amongst a certain cohort of people, mostly older, probably Republican. But I do think, I mean, like, you won't hear me battling you on the whole thing of the Americans not being the brightest in the bunch.

But I think they're getting smarter, generally. They're getting more cottoned on, particularly the younger people, you know, at least wise to the, the kind of ways in which you shut down the conversation, like the anti-Semitism thing. You don't have younger people anymore kind of trying to trot a path to not be accused of that. They're like they know that the accusation doesn't have

the kind of the merit that it once had, rightly once had. They're over it. And they're over all of the niceties, including in ways that can feel uncomfortable for me as a Jewish person. And yet, like the fact that, like the word goyem now is being thrown around as a kind of fuck you.

You know, like, okay, I know how you see us. You know, we know exactly what you think of us, how you speak of us behind closed doors now. All right, that's who we are. Now, something in my little Kishkas gets a little nervous when I start hearing people turning, you know, throwing around Yiddish and Hebrew words as proud, ironic group descriptors for those.

And at the same time, they're totally entitled to it. They totally are. Just given the way that Israel has popularized and pulled the curtain back on a very real phenomenon called Jewish supremacism. Yeah, yeah. Jewish chauvinism. And it's hard to, you know, it's hard to make it a focal point, I think. You know, as much as I have, you know, sort of the same reaction to, you know, and this comes from years of me following like the white nationalists,

Christian nationalists all right, knowing, you know, what they, what their memes are, you know, the goy and all that stuff. Like, I've,

I've seen them. I know exactly where these memes come from. I'm sorry, but, you know, after, you know, two years of open,

not just genocide, but open genocidal intent. Open genocidal PR statements. And open, supremacism and contempt. You know, I don't look at this as a problem of anti-Semitism. I look at this as a problem of Israel creating the grounds for people to start becoming its us or the Jews. And, you know, again, this is not me excusing individual anti-Semites. This is me very much attacking the biggest

purveyor of it, which is Israel. Now, when people say things like, you know, the Goyim are waking up and stuff, I know that, you know, was like Casparian from T.I.T. got in trouble for it. Now, Casperian is not the most careful speaker in the world. And also, like, she's got pretty dog-ship politics. A lot of people are like, you know, they're talking about her because of the fact that she has been, you know, a voice of, you know, on the pro-Palestine side. But honestly, you know, I, this is someone who has, like, tacked right for very cynical purposes.

And has attacked people that both you and I are closely related to and love, you know. Well, beyond, beyond my personal disdain for her, but knowing her as a person, she's someone who I'm like, she's always been grifty. And, you know, she's been, she's been trying. this, you know, to find the way into getting right-wing money for a long time. And now she, you know, she found a way of doing it. But anyways, she was, you know, talking about, you know, the going and whatnot, not getting a lot of trouble for it or getting yelled at for it. And honestly, it's one of those things I look at and I'm like, ah, this is kind of just her signaling

to a larger base that she's, you know, that, you know, she's for all comers, let's just say. Yeah, she's hoovering up the antipathy towards Israel on both sides. Yeah. You know, that's what I'm thinking of. It's a wider base. She's maximizing her own position. Like, yeah. Right.

But it's actually fascinating to hear you guys say that, though, because, like, for instance, a very quick anecdote, like, I can't remember exactly what I tweeted, but there's a Jews for Palestine, Ireland group, and they're everywhere. But, like, the Irish branch of them, like, amazing people. I've been on marches with them. And they kindly. in the most sound out way possible, you know,

sent me a message saying, you know, would you be up for having a conversation? You know, there's one or two things or one or two people that I had retweeted, for instance,

and like, Goyim, but probably worse than that, like somebody would use the word Jew instead of like Israelis or whatever. Right. And we had a really healthy conversation. They didn't say,

like, we want you to take anything down or anything like that, but it was an education to me that they were kind of making the point that there is a lot of actual anti-Semitism that is creeping in all over the place. On the right, in our movement, not in our movement,

and they don't want to make a big deal out of it, but it's just a reality that it is creeping in. And even if we all agree that the reason it's creeping in is because the one state in the world that describes itself as the Jewish state is a reckless genocidal monster, we still have to take responsibility if that kind of stuff is creeping in or whatever. You know what I mean?

So I just think it's fascinating that you're saying that, but still in all, the reason this is happening, I think, or the catalyst for it is the atrocious behavior of Israel. Well, there's two different strategies. There's two different things going on. There's one, it's what are you going to be a public advocate for? And what are you going to be a private advocate for? And, you know, I personally do the same thing as this group that you're describing,

which is I reach out to people individually. When someone I'm like, hey, you're doing some like, you know, you're delving into the Talmudic, you know, conspiracy thing where you're just like trying to blame things on the Talmud. You know, I've had multiple people who are friends of mine who I've had to like, you know, have conversations with where I'm like, hey, just so you know, this is you kind of falling for the same type of reactionary thinking that would make you against Islam writ large, you know, this is the same, you know, like most Jews don't know what the fuck's in the Talmud. They're not like living their lives based on the secret.

of the Talmud or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, then the, you know, the conversation about, well, what am I a public advocate for? And it's Palestine, period. And that's because I only have so much fucking space that I can exist in. I have only so much time for, you know, what I'm going to advocate for. And, you know, I choose it very carefully.

it's not to excuse people's anti-Semitism. If I hear anti-Semitism, see anti-Semitism, I am someone who will talk to people individually and privately just to make sure. And also, when I get that feeling, I just won't fuck with them. I just don't fuck with certain people who I'm just like, nah, you're, I can tell that you are on some other shit. And, you know, Casparian is the perfect example of that, like beyond, you know, me, not liking her for personal reasons.

She's someone who was like, no, I don't trust you. I know that you're down for whatever fucking gets you the widest audience. And to be honest, it's almost like, you know, when it comes to, I think Tucker is actually better. Tucker Carlson's better than Anna because Tucker actually makes it a point to actually platform Palestinians, whereas this is not something that TYT does. And Tucker has some first principles. Yeah.

You know, they can be a little shaky. And some of them are... And very right wing, a lot of them are planted in soil that I wouldn't want to eat from. Yeah, same, same. But there's a kind of internal logic to it. That lends the outrage and indignation a certain degree of, I don't know, wait to it. But we've talked about him a lot on this show.

We have. We don't have Tyg for very much longer. Do we have another clip we wanted to play from Israel? That's true. We don't have Tyke for very... I keep forgetting that. We can go... I went down on a kind of a philosophical tangent.

I love that. We could let him go and then go a little longer with the other stuff we have. Well, well, let's... I think you should do that, guys. I think you should do that because if only so that you get comments going, I thought it fell apart after Tigley. That's exactly. On YouTube.

Well, we can always continue this conversation. But just real quick, let's go further into the Israeli response to this. which I thought was kind of interesting, because you've got, as soon as the retaliatory missile attacks happened. And this time... The post-emptive strikes. Right, the post-emptive strikes. There were, you know, a few pretty critical hits,

including a structure in Beech-Shamesh, which is a small city in Israel and there was a reporter slash Hasbarist, Orrin Marmerstein, more like Smarmersstein, am I right? Because he's smarming. I don't, not as good as Daniel at doing that. So, am I right? Am I right or am I, where's everyone going? Wow, what a terrific audience. Well, what a great audience. They're going in town. So let's see. So the

This guy Orrin was in front of one of the structures that had been hit in which there were some deaths and he was talking about it here. This is a civilian neighborhood in the city of Bechamish. Nine people were murdered

here by the Iranian regime. They murdered their own people and now they are going after Israelis and after countries all over the region. So, I mean, just watching that is just the incredible, incredible chutzpah of someone who's just like, can you believe it? They are murdering us for no reason sending missiles towards us, murdering, raping, pillaging.

It's just like, bro. How many times have we seen? this structure, this type of rubble throughout Gaza. We're all sitting here going like, oh man, I can't believe they hit civilians literally, right

before this, a fucking Israeli or U.S. missile destroyed a school in Iran, killing upwards of a hundred school kids, school girls. And all the Hasbarists launched into action, claiming

that it was in Pakistan, really, it was an Iranian missile. Yeah, all the same bullshit. Emily Schrader, you know, fucking family shredder. Yeah.

Oh my God. Yeah. And just like, you know, so it's always funny when there's like still continuing to do the Hezbarra because you're just like, guys,

at this point, I can't hear it. If only some journalist would talk back to that guy and, and yes. And that did happen. Yes.

the same spokesperson was questioned by Channel 2 News in the UK and he asked a real question. We are aiming at military targets but the Iranian regime is targeting our civilians

our children, our women, our elderly. Our women? But this is not only happening here in Israel. The Iranian regime we And don't have any...

Fast-forwarding. ...fighting any quarrel. All right. Shut up. The only quarrel is the Iranian regime murderous attacks. This is what it's all about.

Uh-huh. Now I'll take some questions, please. Second de Kamani from Channel 4 News. Khomeini, the Iranian regime, have clearly done terrible things, particularly to their own people. your prime minister is a wanted war criminal. You don't have the moral high ground here at all.

This is a war crime. This goes to 11. This goes to 11. I love that so much. He's just like, you don't have the moral high ground. It's like, we did until it was attacked by Iran. Iran destroyed our high ground, and now we only have low ground. This is a world.

I'm against the highest ground. The dude is asking him a very legitimate question, which everyone has the same question. You know it's a ubiquitous question amongst like the populace when a fucking Western news channel is going to be in the rubble of an attack that happened from Iran to Israel. And their question is, yeah, but aren't you guys genocidal fucking maniacs though at this point? Like if they're saying that, that's. That is a... And like, I can tell you, Channel 4 News is not particularly left-leaning in Britain.

You know what I mean? It kind of once was a little bit, but I think it's like it's got partial Zionist ownership now. So just like all-lidstitians. They're just asking the question that like everyone is thinking. But I do think, don't you think that it's very revealing though that it kind of says, yeah, well, they're not people though? Yes.

You know, the women and children and all that kind of stuff and the civilian casualties, like that we have that we have created like all over the region they're not Jewish may I say you know that don't their lives don't matter

you know it's true though it's very revealing I thought that I mean it was funny and I thought fair play to the reporter but it was also so revealing that it was like in their minds they literally think well we haven't done this stuff though because we haven't

killed cherished meaningful civilians like our ones and and you know we haven't we haven't we haven't bombed or killed a single Israeli Jewish civilian in Iran. Yes, yes, yes. But I mean, I think that is a great way of sort of wrapping up the previous conversation that we were having, which is like when we talk about this Goyam discourse of people using it as, you know,

sort of reclaiming it. it is on one hand I look at that and I go like you're misconstruing sort of the where that came from is sort of the man. That was our

the man. Yeah. You know it was it's the same thing with chosen. The language of chosen I'd never heard used in anything other than an ironic sense which was like chosen for what for you know being holocausted. It is never

about like but that It wasn't to say there weren't people who were Jewish supremacists in my life. I knew a bunch of people who did use those phrases in derogatory ways, use goy as a derogatory label and whatnot. But I will say that, like, you know, it is, it wasn't as, like, ubiquitous, the amount of Jewish supremacy that we're seeing. And so when people use it, it is in response to shit like this, where a guy can say with a straight face, can you believe these. motherfuckers sent a missile towards us and killed nine Jewish Israelis? It's unbelievable. And then people going like, why is that, why is that so unbelievable? You just killed a hundred

Iranian children. You can't look at that and not think, oh, he doesn't think that those are people. He thinks that Israelis and Jews are more important, more special, their lives are worth more. And when that is the overwhelming narrative, yeah, people are going to start thinking that Goyem is who they are, people are defining themselves as not Jewish, almost in opposition. And I'm like, it's hard, it's hard for me to blame. It's hard for me to blame them, even though I don't support it. I understand where it comes from. How do you not look at that?

and a little bit be like, you know, this guy really just doesn't see them as people. Yeah, after all this Jewish chauvinism, I can't expect Gentiles to stay genteel. That's right. Beautiful. Daniel's always, that was it. God, had to give you a nice, a nice, classy one to put a little period. He's a poet, man. He's a poet. He is.

He's probably Irish. He's probably one of us. You know what's crazy is that I am half Irish, and I got nut. You know what I got? The addiction. So all I got... Well, you've got me as a buddy too, mate. Yeah, hell yeah.

Look at us. Look at us, sober. I've also got loads of addiction issues. So you got extra addiction stuff as well. We got a lot of problems. TIG is such a pleasure talking to you. Pleasure, guys. You're my faves.

You know you're my faves. You are our fave. Where can people find you and where can people support you, follow you, all that stuff? The word on the street is going to, I'm going to start doing a version of what you guys are doing maybe some time pretty soon. And I'm also doing a new satire show, which I'm filming at the moment. I'm going to get you guys involved in it some way. Yeah, please.

Maybe when we're out in Ireland at some point, which we need, we need to contact you about it because we got to play with it. Writing, acting, whatever you want to do. Genuinely, I love you, love you part of it. And people can find me. Please look at my Patreon because it's literally my only stream of income. right now in this moment in time because I'm off Instagram. I'm off TikTok. I'm currently demonetized on YouTube and I'm fighting it. I'm fighting a good fight. But you can find me like around my estate as well in Kark if you want to come and visit me. Oh hell yeah. Well, we will put a link to your

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