Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 189: Defund The Tone Police

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

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So letting you guys know, we're going to be talking about Vancouver. We're going to Vancouver very soon. And, of course, we're going to be in L.A. on Thursday, October, sorry, Sunday, October 12th. October 12th. Sorry. April. Easy, easy months to confuse with each other, you know. I am losing my mind.

Listen, we have a very big show today. And by big, I mean lots of content. and no guests. It's just us. So I'm like, you know, I've got files in my head that are just collating and just flipping around. So I can't remember what month is what. But the LA show is sold out. However, there are still tickets left for Thursday, April 2nd at Chillex Studio in Vancouver, British Columbia, which is in Canada. And we do have a guest that night.

We do. That's right. We are going to be speaking with the acclaimed doctor. Uh, and, uh, somehow a relation to Daniel, uh, Dr. Gabor Matte. We grew up on the same block. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have been homies since day one, sort of a ride or die. Uh, and, uh, he is going to be there with us. It's going to be a really fun show. The tickets are, uh, sorry if you don't get. Sorry.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry to all of you. However, if, you know, you are, you know, you know, going to miss it and feel sad about that. Don't you worry because there is a stand-up show happening at the very same Chill X studio on Sunday, April 5th.

That is now confirmed. We're going to do a stand-up show myself and my wife. I don't know, Daniel, if you're going to be there. You might be in town. You might not be in town. But it's going to be stand-up. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a really good time.

So, you know, if you miss us at the live. podcasts, you know, you can see at least half of us at Chill Xt Studios on Sunday. So please. Come through Vancouver. Get, yes, get your tickets now because, you know, that date is fast approaching. And if there's a Canucks game that same night, skip it. They suck. Yeah.

You don't need to see the Canucks or any Canucks. Yeah. Although I would love to take you to a hockey game when you're in town, Matt. Might be a fun excursion. I think my daughter would actually really like hockey. She would, yeah. Yeah, she'd have a good time. It's going to be a great time in Vancouver.

Whoever they're playing, I hope it's a heated rivalry. Oh, sexual attention. Yeah, please come. Linkin bio, badassbarra.com, all that stuff. Today's episode is brought to you by Doctors Without Borders in Palestine. Doctors Without Borders provides medical and psychological assistance to people affected by violence and occupation. and has scaled up activities to assist people injured and displaced by Israel's war, quote, unquote, on Gaza. Doctors Without Borders teams are providing life-saving care with limited supplies and hospitals,

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Well, but I don't want to undercut Doctors Lab Borders, but we featured them before. Lebanon is in terrible, terrible shape right now and, you know, undergoing another massive force displacement because of Israel. They've ordered the entire south to evacuate. That's about a sixth of the population. And our good friend Anthony Sargon of the Do Not Worry podcast has been doing some live stream fundraisers. I appeared on it this weekend.

Matt will be appearing on it today, the day we're recording this. Probably it'll already have happened by the time you hear this. Yes, yeah. But he and his podcast have a particular charity. I forget the name. But if you go to their YouTube channel, and uh or go to our description we'll find it we'll we'll add it yeah you know add it in post and you'll see it just helping provide meals for displaced families who are facing not just displacement

not just hunger but you know bombings and massacres and all kinds of horrible things that israel specializes in so please do uh pony up for that yeah yeah it's a good cause very necessary right now uh link in description daniel what's a spin i'm happy about i'm excited about this one. Me too. You know why I'm excited about this spin? Why? I'm excited about the spin because we don't have a guest. Yeah, so you don't feel this sense of pressure of like I don't feel this like you know my eyes aren't like looking down to the like backstage doc and just going like oh oh they're glazing they're glazing over. Um yes so uh the original use of the term glazing before it turned into a disgusting blowjob, uh, you know. Correct. Correct. Correct. Uh, and

then became a synonym for flattery of people who don't deserve it. The theme today of the spin is same but different. So this is an album I love very, very much. I finally got it by an alt-country group called Lamb Chop. I think out of Nashville, maybe out of Texas, I forget. Really cool music. Kurt Wagner is the brain behind it. It barely sounds like country.

It's just very cool, melancholic, sardonic stuff. And the album is called Thriller. Oh, well. Thriller. I've heard that name. Same, but different. Okay, I got it. I see what we're doing.

I see what we're doing. Hell yeah, yeah. So here we got the car's greatest hits, and one of their big hits was called Drive. Mm-hmm. Right? And Incubis' drive. No?

No, REM's Drive. Okay. I'm not including incubus. Unfortunately, I picked the wrong REM album off the shelf here. I've already featured this one, New Adventures and the High Five. I mean automatic for the people. It is on the shelf. So please add automatic people for the people to the playlist.

That's right. Great album. Great play on the moon. Great playlist. It is a great playlist. Approaching 500 hours. I've already featured Living Color times up on what's the spin. But OC, amazing underrated rapper from, I think from the Diggin in the Crate's crew,

has this album Word Life, which also has a song called Times Up on it. Love this album cannot recommend it enough. Of course, we have the Star Wars soundtrack, John Williams. This is the original. Yeah. And I recently found out that Wilco has an album called Star Wars. That's incredible. Which has to be a joke given.

Just look at the cover, you know. Just a big fluffy cat and some flowers. That is incredible. I love that they have. an album called Star Wars. Yeah. It's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like there's like a sketch comedy group that I think made a movie. And the sketch comedy group is called Nirvana the band. Yes, Nirvana, the movie, the show or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they had a show, Nirvana, the band, the show, and then they made a movie, Nirvana the band, the show, the movie, which... Aren't they Canadian? I don't actually know, nor do I...

Have I seen any of the things they did, but their name was so funny that I've never forgotten it. Nirvana with two ends at the end. and three ends in total, I guess. There's four songs that I can think of entitled One. One of them I've already featured, Ghostface Killa on the album Supreme Clientel. One of them I'm probably never going to feature because it's U-2. Oh, damn.

See, okay. All right. Then, of course, there's Metallica, which is my favorite one. All right, okay. Have you ever heard Chris Cornell's mashup of this one and U-2's one? He sings U-2's one with the lyrics from this one. That's crazy. Chris Cornell did this?

I can't remember anything. Is this real or just a dream? Like he sings, yeah, he did it live. Very, very funny. I love that. But the other one, the other one, what were you going to say? Well, I'm interested to see what it is. Is it Brian McKnight?

No. No, it's not. It's one singular sensation. Every little step she takes from a chorus line. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I always thought of as just kind of a silly musical theater number. But actually, it's in the context of the show, which I saw it live for the first time, like, I don't know, 15 years ago when they revived it, it's kind of heartbreaking.

Because you've watched this entire show about literally actors trying to get ensemble roles just to dance and the chorus line behind the star. And all the lyrics are about the star. It's like, she's awesome, she's amazing. and you see these hardworking, desperate for work, chorus liners, like, just, you know, giving it up to the... So it's very cool. I love that. Ed Kleban wrote the lyrics. I won the Ed Kleban Award as the most promising musical theater lyricist in America 13 years ago.

I love that. Yeah, promise, eh? Promises are made to be something. To be kept eventually. This young talent promises to be a podcast. host in 13 years. Then something very interesting here. We've got a Van Halen album off of which

spins out two. Same but difference. So the album's called 1984, and there's a song called 1984. Diamond Dogs by David Bowie also has a song called 1984. That's right, yeah. But the Van Halen album, what's the biggest single off that album? Jump, right? Jump, yeah. Right? Pointer sisters, jump from love.

you're going to do DMX. No, no, no. Isn't that DMX? Or criss-cross. Or criss-cross, yeah. Yeah, there's Chris-crossed. I could be wrong. Don't the shit make want to jump, jump.

Is that Busta? Someone, don't yell at me if I don't know. I don't actually do. I don't know either. But I do like that jump song by whichever rapper that is. Absolutely. And speaking of the pointer sisters, one last pairing on this album, Energy.

So that first one was Breakout, the 1984, like, pop breakthrough of The Point of Sisters. Also has the neutron dance from Beverly Hills Cop. Anyway, this album, Energy, has a couple of really cool covers, including Dirty Work by Steely Dan, which has a famous needle drop in the best picture of the year.

Oh, yeah, that's right. And the Sopranos, yeah. But in one battle after another. Dirty work, but also Fire by Bruce Springsteen is on here. Hell yeah. And another band that covered a song called Fire, but a different song is the red out chili peppers on Mother's Milk covered Jimmy Hendrix's Fire.

Hell, yes. Great cover. Move over, Rover, and let Mr. Sassafras take over whatever the fuck Anthony Keatis says. I really don't like this band, but I like this album quite a bit. Yeah, I like Red Out Chili Peppers, but I don't know why. It's like one of those bands where it's like, if I were introduced to this not as a child, I'd be like, I cannot stand this shit. Yeah.

There's a lot of bands where the singer is just like for me, I can't do it. Anthony Akitas would be in that company, but for some reason, I've accepted his stupid-ass voice. I like them up until Blood Sugar, Sex, Magic. And then when it started getting into... Well, Californiaication after it was super good. Not in my book. Oh, you're crazy. And so was the one after that.

By the way, that's a great one too. You're wrong. You're just wrong about the RHCP, you know? I sit to be corrected, but not my... And I never want to feel... That's off of a blood sugar. Yeah, but, you know. Dinga dong, danga do do da.

Yeah, that is kind of what they do. If you ever want to see something really funny, look up Mr. Bungle's Halloween show from 1999. Mike Patton dresses up as Anthony Keatus, and they do a silly cover of... And who was it? Trevor Dunn, their bass player or a guitar player dresses up as the ghost of Hillel Slovak

with a big-ass needle in his arm. It's very disrespectful. Jesus Christ! Holy shit! Oh, yeah, that was their original guitar player before, what is his name? John Frischante? John Friante took over.

Also a heroin addict. Dave Navarro was in that group, too, at a certain point. Also a heroin addict. Look at that. Yeah. What is it about these LA guitar players all being heroin? Me too, except for I was never as good as any of those guitars. They've been dancing with Mr. Brownstone.

They certainly have. So that's the spin. That's what spinning in the Mote household. And that's what the spin is like when there's no time pressure. It's just relaxed. It's easy. It's fine. Yeah, we take our time.

We enjoy it and you enjoy it too. I know you do. All those who pretend to skip it, you don't skip. A few people in the comments have been saying they tune in for it. I know. I like the defense of the spin that I've been seeing. And I know I'm feeling really secure about it because my voice went really high when I said that.

People really like it. I've seen quite a few comments that I'm sure I didn't post it. I don't think those are my song. Overwhelmingly positive. The polls show a surprising degree of mild toleration for my vanity segment. They like it. They really like it, which is a segue.

So we don't have a guest today, which means we're segueing straight into content. And we all know, you like me, you really like me. Famous speech from Sally Field after she won an Academy Award. That's right. We're going to talk just a little bit about the Academy Awards before we move on to more meatier subjects. The Oscars happened last night,

which is, you know, we record this on Monday. It comes out on Tuesday. And I don't know about you, Daniel, but I did spend a good amount of time sitting and waiting, hopefully, for someone to mention the fact that the country that this has taken place and is currently waging an illegal war on Iran at the behest of Israel. And I waited. I didn't watch.

I was at my brother's birthday party, but they were playing it on the screen with no sound at the bar. So I got to see the voice of Henrajaab lose to... some sentimental value or whatever yeah yeah which is supposed to be a good movie now the voice of hindr's job losing um was of course very disappointing um but for me as someone who's watched a lot of oscars um sort of expected uh especially it was going up against um you know movies like sentimental value which had multiple other award nominations and was going against uh the secret agent which uh is a really good movie

you know so it's like a lot of competition and also it had to deal with the fact that at least according to some reporting by DropSight DropSights Prem Takar who I believe that's how you pronounce his name there was a huge campaign

by Israel and a bunch of pro Israel Zionists in Hollywood to try to make sure that this film lost. So they did their best to make sure it lost. And, you know, it is what it is.

That is the industry. But there was one's... They fired 600 times on the envelope. That's right. Exactly. They just did a lot of double tapping against the envelope to make sure that it was dead. And so were the first responders, as they do.

But before the award was in, announced the people who were giving the award, the presenters. One of them was Mr. Anton Chigur himself, Javier, Javier Bardem, who said, Oh, our friend O the Pod. That's, oh, that's right. He is a real friend of, man. Oh, shit. I knew there was a reason for this.

Friendo. The pod. Yes. So he's next to someone who I'm sorry. Sorry, people were trying to let me know who this was. Priyanka Chopra? Yes, who apparently is. Do you know what people are calling her today?

No. What are they calling her? Oh, no. And this is coming from the South Asian community. Okay, okay. So it's okay. So it's okay. Go ahead.

They're calling her Dalgadot. What? Apparently, her views seem to be quite different. than Javier Bardem's. But I don't know anything about her. But I do know that Javier did say this. Note to war on free Palestine. I love this man.

I just want to give a big shout out to Javier Bardem for this, because he's been a voice for Palestinian human rights for a long time. He's been woke on this longer than I've been woke on this. I know that's not saying much. but I do remember very specifically one time in which I was writing for a film blog. And he had called, this is like 2014, he called Israel a genocidal apartheid state. And I wrote something along the lines of like, I'm glad he's saying something, you know, maybe he shouldn't be throwing around the word genocide so much.

But he's right, it is an apartheid state. So even he, you know, this famous Hollywood actor was woke on this way. before. Is he Spanish from Spain? He's from Spain, yeah. Well, then he would have called it Genocide. Genocide, si. Genetide is no bien. I'm sorry, guys.

No, bueno. No, bueno, yes. No, I blas de Spaniol. But, yeah, he is great, and I loved it also because I was like, yes, now, let the tweets come. Yeah, cue the outrage. You're the freak out. And, of course, we had a few. I'm just going to play the top three, the best.

Okay. This is from... And then we can give... These are the nominees, and we can give the award at the end. So I'm just going to show a couple. This is my second favorite. This is from Friendo the Pod, John DePod Horowitz, who wrote, Remember, Javier Bardem is cinema's most terrifying villain.

That was Anton Shiger, saying, Free Palestine. I love this man. No one is ever been more publicly afraid of everything than John Pod Horitz. It is. Just imagining John Paul Horowitz in every hotel room he's ever in just hallucinating that Anton Shiger is sitting there in a chair next to him, asking him to consider what series of events led him to this moment. Yeah, exactly.

How much have you ever lost in a coin toss? It just gives you a list. How many, how many shekels have you ever lost? How many, how much have you ever lost in a shekel toss? In a dreidel game. But my favorite, of course, is from just the goat at this point. Mrs. E. Fartlow wrote this completely, I just need to preface. This is unironic.

Every time you read a tweet from her, there's part of you that goes, this can't be real, this is a bit. It's not a bit. This person wrote this. Timothy Shalamee will win years from now when it's okay to give awards to Jews. Like the beauty, the beauty of that tweet is, I can't even describe it. I love the idea that she's just like, you know, Hollywood has never been a place in which Jews collect awards. No, Hollywood is a place that has been unsafe for Jews of all stripes for years and years. And years from now, people will see that Timothy Shalemate, famous Jew.

Is he Jewish? I think he is. And he played a very obnoxious Jew in Marty Supreme, which to me was a very mediocre movie. I really liked it. I love it. I like the cinematography. I like the filmmaking, but I didn't like the film. And I didn't like, you know.

And he irritates me. Like, he was very good as Dylan in no direction. He does his work, but he also acts like someone who's convinced he's going to win the best actor Oscar. Like, he just gives off the, and then whenever he's offscreen, he's just obnoxious as fuck. He's just standing on top of the sphere or, like, dismissing opera and ballet as, like, irrelevant. You know, like just, he's just a really, um, I mean, Marty Supreme captured something about him very well, actually.

I mean, it did. And I thought he played the role, uh, fantastically. I thought he was really good in it. Uh, that being said, um, you know, uh, him not winning an award until it's okay for Jews to win awards is just, it's just so fantastic. I, I, God bless you.

God bless you, Eve. Keep, keep tweeting. Fight through all of the slop. Just keep churning it out. Don't listen to the haters. The haters are just the waiters in the VIP lounge of your life. So, I mean, look, there's been thousands of Jews on the stage to accept the award for best picture because, you know, producers. There's been directors like Spielberg, right?

Who are some actors who have won, Dustin Hoffman? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Does Natalie Portman ever won an Oscar for Best Actress? I don't know if she actually has. Attack of the clones, I think. No, I'm kidding. You know what? She wasn't that bad in it. She was doing the best with what she had. Yeah. No, but I mean, you know, there are, I mean, you know, there's a lot of Jewish actors in Hollywood. and many have won awards. And I just like living in the alternate reality in which you can ignore the long history

of Jews in Hollywood and successful Jews in Hollywood so that you can make a point about how Timothy Shalame will one day overcome anti-Semitism. Yeah. Yeah, we shall overcome. We shall. But yeah, the Oscars, for the most part,

the freakouts against Javier Bardem are still impending. We'll see some more, I'm sure. But for now... There's certainly less virulent than Hannah Eindler got. Oh, yeah. Which shows us a tremendous amount, I think, of ageism and sexism. Yes. You know, to be honest, I almost feel like at this point,

Hollywood has allowed Javier Bardem to continue you know, like being the person who's the voice, he's been the voice for Palestine for so long, at least in Hollywood, in terms of representing the realities of Zionism, that they're just like, well, what are we going to do? You know, there's nothing we can do about it. It's once Americans start saying something,

that's when they really freak out, especially American Jews. But we need to move on to talk about something else that happened. This has been a very, interesting weekend of discourse about Palestine, about anti-Semitism, and we need to start with Mayor Zoran Mamdane. So last week, the mayor of New York City finally caved to weeks and weeks of attacks on his wife from basically the entire his barosphere, and he decided I mean, this is the downstream effects of Olivia Rheingold's intrepid, you know.

No, it really is, though. Shoe leather, fucking, you know, lubaton leather journalism, you know. That's right. He caved to the types of hasbarists like Olivia, Ryan Gold of the free press, or John Levine, who, by the way, you know, is one of the people who spearheaded this, like, can you believe the stuff that his wife has been. liking online and tweeting or retweeting. And this is a guy who wrote this, November 4th, 2025. My closing message to voters is that Israel should have bombed more hospitals and the famine was a hoax.

Thank you. So this is the person that Zora and Mamdani is caving to when he decided to throw his wife under the bus and throw her mutuals under the bus and anyone who was mutuals with her, you know, her followers, people followed her. And he divorced her on the spot and started. publicly calling for her execution. And I have the video... He declared that her name was no longer Rama, but Harama.

Yeah, yeah. Her name is Harama. There's kind of rhetoric before she took that job. And do you think that type of rhetoric is acceptable about it? I think that that rhetoric is patently unacceptable. I think it's reprehensible. And as is common for freelance illustrators, the first This lady was commissioned to illustrate an excerpt of a book by a third part.

She's never engaged with or met with the author, nor had she seen the tweets that you're referring to. And we stand in our administration, and I can tell you our administration, which is separate from the first lady, and she doesn't have a role within it, against bigotry of all forms. And we do so unflinchingly because every single New Yorker deserves a place that they can call home without having to be wary of being their full self when they do so let me explain that for anyone who hasn't heard about this story yeah it's exhausting just to watch it adam that is very true um so i'm joking when i say he you know threw his wife under the bus to the point of calling for her execution obviously um i even think it's a little bit of a stretch to say he threw his wife under the bus

What he did do is choose to placate the Hasbar schools who have been seeking to destroy Zoran and his wife since they first set foot in the public eye. And he told some untruths along the way, some very significant ones. So the controversy here was not about a retweet like, you know, it has been, or about like a liking posts on social media. This one was about an illustration that Rama had done for, a book that is quote by Susan Abulahua, excuse me. And the thing that he said there was, oh, well, she, of course, was not privy to her views.

And, you know, had my wife known what some of these, you know, tweets that she'd made, She never would have illustrated a short story by her. The thing is, it's not a short story by her. This was a compilation of... I think Mamdani said, or the accuser, was that it was an essay by her in which she called Israelis parasites or something. Right, right.

Which is not the case. It was not an essay. It was a short story, and it was not by Susan. It was by a woman named Diana Isia, who is from Gaza, a Palestinian from Gaza who was taking a writing workshop that Susan had put on and she collected it's a collection of short stories by Palestinian authors. So she was the editor or the, yeah.

And so what Zoran's capitulation was here was to agree with the premise that Susan is so beyond the pale that had his wife known about it that she would have never illustrated a short story, not by Susan, but by someone else. Because New Yorkers deserve to live free from fear of not fully being themselves or some shit. Some word salad garbage. And to me, this kind of capitulation is sort of the worst kind, in my opinion, especially when you're a political leader on this subject.

I mean, this is the kind that it lends legitimacy to the practice of smearing someone via retweet. And it's so unnecessary. It's so completely un- What is he trying to save a campaign? No, he's elected. It's early in his mayorship. He's very popular. He handled the snowstorms.

I wish he handled shitstorms as well as he handles snowstorms. Yes. He needs to get some better advisors because all you need to do is counter with the facts. actually she illustrated a story by a Gosen writer that Susan edited so even on the basis of guilt by association like what are you fucking talking about

and then if you want to go another layer another level of truth bombing terrible phrase these days but you know another level of sticking to your guns you say and I'm not going to police the way Palestinians describe their

Oppressers. Yeah. Just not going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, she handles it very well in a video that she put out on Twitter and social media. Yeah. It's about 20 minutes long and we just have some clips from it.

And I'm going to play a little bit of it right now for you guys. So this first clip is her describing something about, I think she's been talking about the writing workshop that she led for Gazan writers. Yeah. And describing what it's. meant to them and also what this story was about. Israel had interrupted, maybe even dismantled their psyches with ineffable trauma. They had stripped them of the most basic human dignities. In fact, the particular short story in question chronicles the details of the first time

that Deanna had to contend with using a public toilet that was shared. by hundreds of women who walked out of their tents and waited in line, waited in filth, in misery just to use the bathroom in the morning. So these young people

risked dangers that most of us cannot begin to fathom just to attend writing workshops. Pause for a second that? Yeah. She had previously she had previously explained

that these writers, you know, walked for hours to get through a war zone, through a genocide zone, to get to this writing workshop. Right. But it was, and now she's going to explain why it was so worth it to them. Because it was a singular outlet for intellectual exercise and creative expression. They came so they could be reminded of their potential. They came to feel that they are more than creatures seeking food and water and shelter.

that they have a place in the world, that they have a voice, a relevance, something to contribute. They came to touch the lives that they thought they might still have, even if it was just for a few hours. So what really comes through there, before the words, you know, look at her face and listen to her voice, just the exhaustion, the depletion, the depletion. And yet the sumud, you know, the sort of the, the just the steadfastness and the unwillingness to back down.

And throughout the course of this brilliant 20-minute video, very soft-spoken, never raises her voice. And it doesn't even get particularly hostile. What can I say? Hostile. It's fierce, but it's very quietly so. Very understated. Which is something that needs to be pointed out. ad nauseum.

The ways in which we have policed Palestinians' engagement, like tone policed their engagement with their own oppression to the point where you see someone like Susan who is, you know, being smeared in this case, Zoran's case specifically wrongly, wrongly smeared. And the expectation, I think, that most of us would have for most people who are dealing with this kind of oppression is to eventually say, fuck it when it comes to how they talk about it. The anger that you would expect to see, I mean, I know the anger that I see from fake instances of anti-Semitism. the amount of hostility is a hundredfold compared to Palestinians who are dealing with actual anti-Semitism.

They're dealing with actual oppression. And it's something that should be pointed out. How many times have we seen Muhammad al-Kurd blow up and yell and say, fuck you all, fuck Jews, fuck this, fuck that. No, he is very soft-spoken, very clinical and very honest. And very indelicate. Oh yes, completely indelical. At the same time, right? Which is deliberate. But delicate and not, I mean, to be honest, it's like more delicate than I would be if I were in that situation. No, no, but more precise for that. Like the words are very carefully chosen, very carefully considered with full awareness of the consequences of saying them. But that is,

the act of defiance that I am not going to even submit to the premise that there's some appropriate way for my people and me to respond to this level of sustained injustice and oppression. I just want to take a little side step here and talk about the word anti-Semitism because actually something clicked for me watching Susan's video that I think it's going affect the way I speak going forward. And I'm not going to police your language matter or anyone else on the show. Antisemitism is the standard term that we're so used to. But she refuses to engage with it as such, because she points out, I'm, that Semetic is a language group and that Palestinians are more Semitic than, you know, European Jews in terms of lineage. So she calls it

anti-Jewishness, which I think is actually a lot clearer. And it, turns out, etymology is and derivation of words is a very faithful clue as to what words contain. Words contain their history in all cases, right? That's why very useful always to go back

and look at the oranges of words. Well, where does the term anti-Semitism come from? Well, it turns out it was coined by a German, I think, sociologist named Wilhelm Marr. I think I'm getting that right. And he wasn't coining anti-Semitism

to name a disturbing trend or phenomenon that he wanted to decry. He was trying to rebrand his own Udnhaus, which is Jew hatred, right? Because to him, to call it Udnhaus, which Germans proudly embodied for centuries, is to commit a fallacy because we are not hating the Jews because of their religion. It's their race. We have to cast them as a race, right? which, you know, a religious intolerance is a lot less savory than a kind of racial superiority to a German of that era and that ilk.

So he coins anti-Semitism. Why? Because it lumps Jews in with Arabs. Yes. With the Middle East. They're not European. They're not from here. They're Semites.

So now anti-Semitism is what we're going to call our bigotry towards Jews. Now, what are the consequences of us, Jews cleaving unto this term and then using it, this rate science term, right? Well, one of the consequences is that it clouds the issue. Yes. Another consequence is that we cut ourselves off from solidarity with the people after whom it's actually named, which is Semites. We're no longer in solidarity with them, brotherhood, sisterhood. We're no longer part of their world, their lineage, which is part and parcel of what Zionism did to Arab Jews, and what European Jews wanted to do to themselves as not being, you know, they wanted to be

white Europeans. But now, in the modern day, when we've forgotten all of that, right, you could say, well, what's the fucking point, right? Words change, definitions change, so what? Yeah, but when you talk about anti-Semitism, what does it conjure? It conjures some kind of, like, there's some inner essence to Jews called Semitism, right? And it's like this mistake. serious, like, ineffable kind of cosmic allergy to something about us, right? And that's why it's so hard to spot and we have to name it and we have to call it. Anti-Jewishness is a lot more pedestrian and straightforward, right? Right.

And then you can ask the question, if there's anti-Jewishness, well, what are the grounds for it? Right. Right. Right. Now, there are very likely tons of irrational and, uh, you know, you know, unpleasant and deplorable grounds, pseudo grounds for hating Jews. Certainly the Nazis, you know, had nothing but lore

that they had written about how much they hate Jews in order to back up their time-honored tradition of Juden Haas. That's right. And even inside of, quote, anti-Zionist discourse, I'm not talking about Palestinians here, I'm talking about Ypepo. I saw a friend, my friend Michael sent me a video on Twitter of some, I forget the guy's name, but some American Groyper Patriot, who also seems to be a musical theater geek,

doing his version of Gilbert and Sullivan's modern major general. I am the perfect modern of a modern raging Zionist. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which sounds like it has promise, but all the lyrics, and he's playing it on the piano, And all the lyrics are, you know, about pedophilia, Jewish pedophilia, and shekels. You know, we make these kinds of jokes, too, but it's us. Oops. But like just very, very clearly an anti-Jewish, full of conspiracy theories, not very clever, right?

And then he has this other video he links to. He's like, I'm very proud of this one. Check out my, if you're wondering how I made the music sound Jewy, check out this video I did two years ago about how exotic scales can help make your music sound more Jewish. He's just talking about the Phrygian mode or whatever. So the point is, that's anti-Jewishness, right? And it's probably anti-Semitism too, right?

Because it's right. Right. But what about people who harbor feelings of resentment towards the Jews that massacred their family? Right. What about people who harbor resentments towards the state that puts the Jewish symbol on its tanks and guns and bomber planes. So I'm going to try as much as I can to differentiate.

To differentiate and to actually use the term anti-Jewishness when that's what we're talking about, because then you can clearly see, is this person being anti-Jewish or are they being anti-Zionist? Right, right. Yeah, I mean, it's... That was long, but thanks for indulging me. No, and I think it's an important point to make. I've always said that, you know, the, one of the biggest, like, I don't know, cognitive dissonances with Zionists and their rampant anti-Arab hatred and Islamophobia has always been the fact that they keep saying anti-Semitism, you know, this is anti-Semitism without, like, they talk about the, you know, they talk about the, you know, centuries-long hatred of Jews of, you know, Jews and the anti-Semitism happening, and compare it to anti-Arab hate, which is like, they're like, and that doesn't exist.

That's not, you know, a real thing the way ours is. You know, people hate us, you know, Jews, you know, with Arabs, there's all these Arab countries that doesn't exist without ever recognizing. They also hate the term Islamophobia. Right, right. I'm not afraid of them. I just hate them. Yes, you are afraid of them. Yeah, exactly.

That's why you hate them. But they do this without ever pointing out the fact that, like, literally the term anti-Semitism is straight up comes from Arab hatred. It is, they were like, oh, Jews are just like this Arab thing. They're outsiders in Europe and whatnot. And that's not to say I've always been someone who thought it was kind of a dumb argument to engage in. If you're like, you know, actually we're Semites and you're not Semites, it's like, yeah, it's just, it is just a term that people, you know, use. They're using it wrongly. I agree with you, but it's not, it's not worth it to get into that pedantic argument, I say, most of the time. But it's strange to me that people aren't, you don't

see that the foundation of it was hating Arabs. You don't see that hating Jews as the outside other, specifically Middle Eastern outside other, is Arab hatred. So anti-Semitism, in my opinion, would apply to Arabs as well as it would apply to Jews. And it's a confusing dumb term. Well, I used to feel the way you do that it's mostly useless and whatever, and I don't like getting into it. But Susan's video actually changed my mind, that at least when it comes to Palestinians,

who are being asked to participate in anti-Semitism dialogue, anti-Semitism discourse on the defensive in the witness box, you know, being prosecuted for alleged whatever. They're like, I'm not, I don't accept the terms, much less the charges. Right. Yeah. You know, and I think that's powerful.

Like any premise, any faulty premise you can reject, you absolutely can and maybe should because anything that follows from a lie is going to be infected by that lie. True. You know, and we're not slim Charles here. It's not, we're not going to say, and if it's a lie, we fight on that lie. That's right.

No. That's what Zionists do. Let's play the rest of the video, just the ending part of it, because I thought it was so powerful and it was great. Lastly, and separately, I want to congratulate you on the work you have done and continue to do for the working family. in New York. She's talking about Zoron right now. In this section, previous to this, she points out that while a lot

of other people have been speaking out in her defense and knee-jerk anger at what he said, she is not angry. She wants to take this opportunity to educate and talk to it. Yeah, she's less angry at Zoron than Jesus was at Judas. Yes, yeah.

Exactly. Or at least she's expressing last vitriol. Yes. With admiration. how you centered municipal workers as the heroes in every snowstorm, how you reimagined child care as a right for every working family and as a social responsibility for everyone. These are things worthy of respect and admiration.

But in this instance, you have erred. You succumbed to forces that seek to pick away at you, at you, at your talented, beautiful wife, and at your work, clawing harder with each apology or concession you make. If you are not careful, they will siphon your soul before you even realize it. I wish you well, Mr. Mamdani. If you or Rama are readers of novels, especially historic fiction, I would love to send you a stack of my books. Because literature, art, music, these are the most profound landscapes

where humans can meet each other across geographic, generational, linguistic, racial, and cultural borders. And let me close this sincere message with the hope of glory to our martyrs and victory, to every name. every individual anywhere today fighting against the tyranny of the Epstein class. So, damn. I mean, bars.

And more to say about something she said earlier, about the way, if you're not careful, your soul will be siphoned out. She's right in that these ghouls will never be satisfied. They're never satisfied with any capitulation. See also Jeremy Corbyn. Yes, because they're, capitulation is, it's capitulation to their like carefully constructed narrative reality whose entire goal is not accountability, but specifically to create a plausible narrative

of bunch of sets of proof and instances that create a pattern. It's pattern creating for them. So they levy the accusations over and over and over and over again in order to say like, here's a list of things that, of times, anti-Semitism has, you know, come from Zoron or his wife and whatnot. As soon as you capitulate to that, you now have a fucking data point. You've given them that point.

And it doesn't stop them. The idea that this is like they're ever going to be happy that you took accountability is utterly ridiculous. And I think he knows that, which is why to me, this was, I think, for him

such a stupid misstep, such a dumb moment of just wanting to think you know, in the short term, I'll get them off my back for a second. If I just say, oh, I don't agree with this. This is terrible, not just for yourself, because they will not stop, but also because this is the type of tone policing that Zionists have relied on forever. For my entire time, my entire awakening of, you know, what Israel is, this has been,

the consistent tool, this type of tone policing through sort of liberal mores. And it is, it's been a strange two years because for the last two years, this has, this strategy has not worked. Like, the practice of, like, going through someone's retweets or, like, social media likes looking for a problematic follower, someone who you can smear as problematic because of a tweet or a retweet or an out-of-context clip.

Like, that type of stuff used to work wonders. And the tactic is very useful for Zionists because Zionists do this in order to get people to be careful about who they boost. Be careful about who you retweet. You know, let's say you see a video of an Israeli murdering a Palestinian child at a checkpoint. you know, you want to retweet it, but you need to be careful who's the person who tweeted.

You have to go to the profile. You have to go to weeks of tweets to make sure that this person is not problematic. This is to exhaust people, and it's to, you know, make it so that you don't want to deal with the hassle. That's right. You know, the hassle of having to do research into the person you're retweet. You just want to retweet a video of somebody of an Israeli. doing a war crime and they want you to think twice. For the past two years, I feel like this is driven Zionist crazy because people were sharing clips and whatnot from people who

most liberals would find be on the pale. And they, you know, like Nick Fuentes or Dan Blatzerian or whatnot, you know, and yes, these people are doing anti-Semitism and yes, for most liberals and leftists who may not have known of, you know, who these people are and whatnot. As soon as they would find out, they might be like, oh, shit, you know, this is, this is bad. But there were so many videos that people were not, they weren't doing that research. They weren't doing the normal sort of like liberal leftist thing of making sure that you're not boosting or platforming the wrong person, this and that. Whatever happened to retweets does not equal endorsements.

Well, I mean, that's the thing. this feels sort of like cancel culture 1.0 style smearing, and it was not effective for the last couple of years because people were being inundated with shit that most people had never seen before and hearing from people that they didn't really know. But they were like, damn, that Fuentes kid made a lot of good points. That doesn't excuse people who then hear his actual views on everything

and go like, yeah, I still like him. like obviously but for the most part this is the way social media works you are you see a post you're like i agree with that post i'm going to like it i'm going to retweet it i'm going to share it uh you see someone spreading some news and you're like i'm going to retweet it and share it you are not necessarily doing that kind of due diligence and in capitulating to that you are essentially uh i don't know you're lending legitimate to this practice of, hey, slow down before you, you know, talk about Palestine. Slow down and research the person that you're doing.

And to me, this has always been their tactic. This has always been how they have been able to stymie the spread, how to stop the spread of people learning about what's actually going on in Palestine. Well, that's what they're supposed to do. They're just doing what they're supposed to do because they're Husbarists. Yes. What's absolutely galling is to see people ostensibly on our side. Yes.

People who believe in Palestinian liberation. People who call it a genocide. People who call it apartheid. People think it's horrible. People who think Israel needs to end. All this kind of stuff. Being like, ah, ah, Susan liked the wrong thing. Right.

Going so far as to, I'm not going to name names, but we have a former guest who called Susan a neo-Nazi. Yes. Okay? outrageous and took an unsolicited shot at my brother for Syria or something, you know. Just in the, and being like, actually, it's not, it's not bad for Zauron to distance himself from this kind of stuff, right? It's absolutely atrocious. I mean, and I said something, and he deleted the tweet and I got into a whole other thing with someone else. but the

just the insistence not only that Palestinians should be more careful in who they accept support from or should be more decorous in their language

and can be tarred and smeared in association with retweeting whatever's or with indecorous indelicate language about their oppressors but even more audaciously, the chutzpah of,

and it's my place as a Jewish ally of Palestine to be like, uh, uh, uh, uh. And the person I got into this with was like, whoa, Matta, you're coming in kind of hot here, policing me. I said, dude, there's only one person in a police uniform in this conversation. It's not me. That's right. I'm just showing up at your town hall,

being like a commissioner, stop stopping and frisking Palestinian activists. for how they feel about Israel, how they speak about it, or which accounts they dare to retweet in a time. I mean, look, as someone said, I think it was Lexi Alexander, I forget who. The minute Rachel Maddow starts tweeting this stuff,

I will retweet her. Right, right. The moment you're less problematic people, you know, fuck off. We've talked about that we've had countless discussions about, you know, this particular problem, whether it be Tucker, Carlson, or Candace Owens, like, we don't need to rehash it other than to say, yeah, I sure wish any liberal media institutions, you know,

wouldn't fucking seed all the ground to the right because they're afraid of Zionist pushback. This has been what we've said over and over and over again, which is, this is what happens when you seed that ground. You have people taking the mantle who are not people that we would want to be allies with, because at the end of the day, this is either, you know, they don't believe in Palestinian human rights so much as they believe in the right of, you know, the white West to be free from Jewish influence in a way that is not just throws Jews under the bus, but of course throws everyone else under the bus, including Muslims, including trans people, including black people, immigrants, all of the groups. So no one on the left wants to have to retweet a fucking Tucker Carlson clip. But if he's the only one doing it, he's the only one asking fucking Ted Cruz questions, then you kind of are stuck with it.

It's an annoying part of it. It doesn't mean that you endorse the rest of his views. But people, for the most part, I would say, are not. weren't doing that kind of parsing. Liberals were doing for a while a pretty good job of not being the fucking tone police. And that is what happens when you capitulate to people like John fucking Levine who are like, you have to renounce this person. You have to renounce the person who you retweeted, who has retweeted someone else.

On what grounds? On what grounds? And the grounds they offer is, oh, fascism is coming if you let these people in the door. Okay, well, it's already here, okay? Yes. The encroaching fascism has nothing to do with the contents of Susan Abolawa's timeline. Right. Who she admires, who she retweets, who she accepts support from, what she says about Jews.

Again, once again, if there wasn't a Jewish state doing it in the name of the Jewish people, I might have more of a problem with the word Jewish appearing in tweets. but I'm sorry, there is a Jewish billionaire class. There is Jewish supremacy running amok among among Jewish and Christian leaders of our society writ large. There is- And even then I don't-Judeo-Nazi ideology that's taken over the Jewish state. And even then I don't really fully let people who are using these kind of like Nazi adjation tropes off the hook.

It's not about letting people off the hook. it's about like, well, which are people with any power and which aren't? And, you know, to be honest, it gets tiring to have to explain to people, especially in sort of like the liberal class that like when you are doing the thing where you're being like, our movements are being destroyed by leftists who retweet X, Y, and Z, it's like, you, you're, you're doing. understand you're a useful idiot for Zionists, right? You understand that actually what you're doing is legitimizing. They keep saying, we're legitimizing the Zionist attacks as everyone is anti-Semitic by retweeting someone like Susan. I'm like, no, I'm sorry, you're the one who is actually legitimizing it and you're doing it by saying, yes, I'm going to gatekeep who is doing anti-Semitism and who isn't doing anti-Semitism. And I'm going to be the person who's doing

anti-Zionism the right way. And all others, you know, outside of my very narrow fucking, you know, linguistic lexicon, like anyone else is, is an anti-Semite or suspect. And the, one of my more eloquent turns of phrase in the whole exchange was, I'm having a hard time geolocating the gate that you've elected yourself qualified to keep here. Yes. You know, like, what do you, what's the? what is this line you're holding? And the behavior to me is is nothing if not

like useful idiocy for Zionists and for people who make it their mission to smear people on liberal grounds. They're doing a fascist war and smearing people on liberal language grounds. So it's entirely contiguous with with the narcissistic self-obsession of Zionists, right?

It's another example of a failure of autocranorectal extraction, which is to say getting our heads out of our own asses. Yes, yes. So this one person, Ben Lorber, who, you know, is like someone who I've known for quite a while was... Written a book about how to confront anti-Semitism in solidarity with other groups. And he's, you know, someone who I think has been in sort of of the, you know, the NGO sort of the non, what do you call it, nonprofit industrial complex, like,

for a while and whatnot. And so, like, there's part of me that understands the political realities that a lot of these, like, nonprofit guys are dealing with in movement spaces where they're like, well, we have to always be against anti-Semitism and make sure that we continue to get funding and whatnot. I do believe that he does think some things are anti-Semitic, but I think in this case, he is doing the work of Zionists for them. He wrote in the last several months and maybe longer, Abulawa has steadily adopted the framing and terminology of the fascist anti-Zionist

right. It's been sad to see Elon Musk's algorithm can fry your brain on the site if you're not careful, but nobody benefits from downplaying this. Now, to that, I will say for all, you know, while I do see people have the ability to have their brain fried on social media, I'm sorry, but like, you know what will really fucking fry your brain is two years of videos of Israelis celebrating carnage and death of Palestinians. And that will radicalize you. Which Elon Musk's algorithms have somehow allowed.

Like, I'm sick and tired of hearing about the all-powerful algorithms that are frying. He also told me that, this is the guy I was arguing with, he also told me that my brain had been stewed or fried, whatever. He kept changing tones with me, like being friendly and fulfilling. familiar and like trying to stop. Right. I was coming in with a bit of hostility because I was so disgusted and dismayed by the attack on Susan and the attempt to whitewash what was a betrayal by Zoran, you know? Right.

But this notion that like, oh, the algorithms are programming everybody. Well, the algorithms have allowed us to fucking talk to each other. And you and I met through the algorithm. Like, what the fuck? Like, it's not that all powerful. And if it's your job to monitor things. and track things and and be, you know, Nostradamus for the coming, whatever, you're going to see it everywhere, but nobody benefits from downplaying this.

No, everybody would benefit from, I think, shutting the fuck up in this case. Actually, having some humility, having some etiquette, actually. There is etiquette to being in solidarity with people. One of the things he said in our exchange, which really got me. He's like, if we, you know, he's like, there are no perfect victims, and that also means that we shouldn't hesitate from calling it out. Like, just because, you know, Susan Abu Elba and her people are oppressed doesn't mean we can't have critiques.

If you give in to that, then you're just adopting the Zionist framing, right? That oppression justifies anything. And I said to him, dude, oppression when? Right. When did the oppression of the Palestinians end such that they're now going to exploit it? No, there is no end in sight. It's ongoing. There's a certain etiquette.

There's a certain humanness and compassion where you realize, okay, Zionism is the exploitation of oppression that is over and has been inverted and inflicted on people who had nothing to do with it. But when those people speak about the ongoing oppression that they are facing at the hands of the people who justify it by exploiting their own past, defunct, over-finished oppression. I'm sorry. Oppression of Jews, by and large, is not a thing. Discrimination against Jews, resentment of Jews, whatever.

Say what you're like. I'm not... No, yes. But it's a big fucking difference. It's a big fucking difference. It's a wide gulf. It's huge wide gulf. As Finklstein said, you're not going to be denied any job, any tenure, any travel, anything like that for being Jewish, except if you try to travel to a country that's an enemy of Israel.

Right. But the notion that there's some parallel, like, oh, now, I am perfectly interested in intra-Palestinian critiques of each other. I am. I think it's interesting. I like reading about, you know, critiques and disagreements within the black freedom struggle. I think it's interesting. I think it keeps us humble. I think it keeps us engaged.

Keeps us from seeing any oppressed group as a monolith. That is true. That's why we had Maha Agbaria on the show. a Palestinian citizen of Israel who spoke very eloquently about her positionality in a way that totally gets erased often in pro-Palestinian discourse in the diaspora. I think that's important. But that is the limit. That is the absolute outer limit of my allowance as who I am.

Yeah. And it's got nothing to do with like, oh, I have a moral duty to call out Susan if she, like, oversteps or, like, missteps or retreats the wrong people. I think that's absolutely wrong. Right. And I think to me that is, it's much more harmful. It's like this idea like, no, what is harmful is not calling it out. It's like, no, actually, I'm sorry.

But what is much more harmful is deputizing yourself as the social media collector of data. And I'm going to be the person who shows who's being problematic and who's not. Who's safe and who isn't? Who has a history of saying, you know, some problematic position and who doesn't. And doing it only for the left, doing it only to be like, oh, this, to try to like create this horseshoe theory thing. This type of behavior is, was counterproductive back when it fucking started and became like, you know, the cancel culture that people talked about.

And it is the only real cancel culture I've said from the. beginning. While there have been, of course, people who have been, you know, canceled for this, that or the other, you know, and cancellations usually being some private citizen, finds himself being smeared online. In terms of institutional power, the pro-Palestine movement is the most canceled, always canceled. They have institutions dedicated to doing actual cancel culture. So that's first and foremost. When you are buying into that, it is 5,000 times. more harmful. So one thing that Ben did that I thought was pretty atrocious was he went through to try to, you know, smear Susan with tweets. Here's the thing about this. We've already, we've already

capitulated at this point. We are just trying to reinforce that this was an okay thing for Zoran to have done because why? Here's some tweets I found. Because we owe Palestinians nothing. Right, right. Like they are on probation. They're on permanent probation. And what's really funny is, and really, really awful, is that Ben is, he's fully, he's pulling an Olivia Rangel here because he pulls out some supposedly smoking guns. And what he presents, I couldn't find a single thing on there where I was like, whoa, that's terrible. I mean, I have seen some things from Susan in which I would be like, okay, this is not something I would say.

and this is not something that I would accept, I think, from most people who aren't Palestinian. But when someone is Palestinian, listen, the way intersectionality works, I'm sorry, is this is not just about identity politics. This is about the fact that Palestinians have a specific lived experience when it comes to interacting with the Jewish community, with Zionists, with Zionist institutions, with Jewish institutions. And they might just see us, they might just see us more clearly than we see ourselves in certain ways, as is always the case. Yes. And always the case. And people didn't like the way Malcolm X spoke about white people either. Yes.

But so rather than, you know, reading through each tweet, which, you know, you can judge for yourself, although I, you know, personally, I'm sorry, I'm against the entire practice of let's judge for ourselves whether or not we think Susan meets the. anti-Semitism bar. And he does so by doing a search for Jewish. That's the problem I have. And you look through these things. Look, the word Jewish is bolded. It's bolded because that's the part of the search function on Twitter. If you search the word, it shows you, you know, what you found under this person's profile.

And he just searched for Jewish to try and find Jewish supremacists. Go back to the first one. Is Exhibit A. Okay. Let's just just, just this one, okay? Okay. And she's referencing the, you know, Blue Square Robert Kraft Super Bowl ad that we made so, such merciless fun of, right? Yeah.

The second is an ad set to run during the Super Bowl to ensure all of us, Goyim, continue to worship at the altar of Jewish victimhood, even as the so-called Jewish state continues to perpetrate unfathomable atrocities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah. I mean, no lies detected. Yeah, and you know, it's to even look through and try to parse it, like I've said, is a capitulation. Because I'm sure that you can find grounds to be offended by some of the tweets that she's had. There are ones that I saw that it was like, oh, you could get into quite a debate about this. The point is, is what was the act that was done here? It's this act of compiling evidence by just searching.

for Jewish in Susan's Twitter to try and get this person. You know, we have now her retweeting or quote tweeting a probably Nazi account talking about Nick Fuentes, Kandis, Kandis, and Tucker Carlson. I'm sure that this is a retweet, a quote tweet that is problematic somehow because of the person. But she just writes, Jewish supremacists like to point out the disproportionate number of, quote, successful Jews is proof that Jews are smart or more hardworking and so on. But here's one example of that. how that success is achieved.

I don't, I'm not interested in clicking on the example. I'm just reading her words here. I'm like, the example is a, there's a Zionist who's advocating that we might have to put certain people in re-education camps because that's what we did to the Japanese and that was justified. Right. Yeah. And I'm sorry.

Tucker Carlson's having his texts read by the CIA. Right. You know, for talking to Iran. Like, you know, just because you're paranoid don't mean they're not after you. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, this entire practice here is really the issue that I have, you know, we got her, I think she wrote tentacles in this one, you know, or what does she say? Yeah, the ADL and various tentacles of Pax, Judeica will swallow us all.

But who is she? Chris Mannerhand, or whatever, he's a good actual, his account posts a lot of valuable shit. I don't know who the fuck he is. I see the American flag makes me a little cringy. Yeah, you kind of, you can assume where he's coming from with it. Right, but where he's coming from is vastly secondary. or tertiary to the fact that he's exposing what Jonathan Greenblatt said. Right, right.

And then this is another thing. And it's like you just see that he has clearly just clicked, search for Jewish. The big tweet that I saw. Does Ben have a problem with the term Jewish supremacy? Really? Is that off limits? We can't talk about Jewish supremacy? I doubt it.

I doubt it. I think, you know, for all of these, you know, if I'm reading it in good faith, I would say that I'm sure he finds some issue somewhere with some of these things. The general, in general, what I see here is an attempt to smear, Susan, in order to justify Zoron's move. And this is the problem with Zoron's move. The problem with it is that there are plenty of libs.

I'm sorry to call them libs, but they are libs who are ready to do this kind of gatekeeping. And this is the type of gatekeeping that I think a lot of people have kind of stopped. They had stopped doing for a couple of years because they saw urgently the issue here was Jewish supremacy and a genocide being perpetrated in the name of Jews around the world. And, you know, people say, well, you know, well, what's the result of that, you know, silence against these people? The result has been statistically a miracle has been pulled off in which half of the country and like 80% of death. Democrats are all more sympathetic to Palestinians than they are to Israel. And that has never been achieved in this country. So that is as a direct result of people putting the focus on Palestinians and putting the focus

on the genocide rather than the tone policing. And this, you know, this is, you know, something that I felt insane about. So this guy, Eric Blanc, he's right. it's good for Zorin to criticize bad comments made by someone who, like, who like the Zionists, conflates Jews as a whole with the Zionist project and who ignores young American Jews widespread opposition to the genocide. All right. Hold on a second.

Hold on a second. Again, I know that the attack you're taking them at here is like the content doesn't matter. It's the move that they're making that's objectionable. But I also want to, I want to just because on a case by case basis, it falls apart. All right. someone who, like the Zionists, conflates Jews as a whole with the Zionist project. And the screenshot he shows is of a Susan Abuawah tweet that says, Israelis should not feel safe anywhere in the world.

I also don't give a shit if people collapse the distinction between Zionists from Jews, not when 82% at least of Jewish Israelis and the same percentage of American Jews support this Holocaust. Now, I don't know if it's the same percentage. Right. All right. But it's a pretty big percentage. Yeah. It's less than it would have been.

And yes, there are young American Jews, and she does not ignore it. If you look at the video that we clipped from earlier, she goes out of her way. And she names some. I was a little offended she'd name us. That was my only problem with it. But maybe she hadn't heard of us.

Whatever. But she named my brother and Katie and others, as beautiful examples of Jews who use their platforms to speak the truth. But what she's saying is, I cannot be bothered to worry, you know, as a Palestinian who's constantly grieving and mourning and enraged and all this. And in community with people who are just trying to survive the most horrific, atrocious atrocities being carried out by that government with the support of this government. You're just not going to get me all exercised about this distinction. Yes.

You know, until you show me Jews going to their synagogues, barricading the doors so people can't get into these illegal land sales, unless you see, unless you show me, you know, some more real action, I just don't have the energy or the time, and I feel for her. Yeah, so, I mean, I am someone who has always said that this conflation is bad, has always pointed out in which, is always pointed out whenever. Israel does it because they do it all the time and they live constantly. It's part of their Hezbara. It's part of, you know, their spin has always been to do this conflation. It's why they call everything anti-Semitism that is against Israel. We know this. And this, I apply this across the board. I don't think anyone should be doing this conflation. And when people who do this conflation, you know, are from the left or whatnot, you know, it puts a thing in my head where I go, okay, well, you know, I noted.

That's usually how I operate when it comes to this. But I don't spend my time going like, I need to compile a list of the people who are doing this conflation on the left and make it my primary goal or primary mission to try to smear a Palestinian woman, who, by the way, was tweeting this as a quote tweet to the video of the IOF, doing a double-tap strike against the hospital and killing the goddamn first responders and

journalists. They did it in plain sight. Now, to get the Hamas camera? Yeah, to get the Hamas camera. Now, you can, people can argue again. This is why for me, I'm not interested in arguing and parsing whether or not what she said is anti-Jewish hate, whether it's anti-Semitic or whatnot. I'm not interested in that because everyone's got different fucking lines and different fucking opinions on that. I have my own lines and I know who to platform and who not to platform, at least in some aspects. And sometimes that can change and you can, you know, learn and whatnot. But that's how I feel about it. What I hate was the fact that this context was cut out. And let's say it was full on anti-Semitism that she was doing there. You know, these fucking Jews did this, that, and the other,

you know, all Jews like this. As they always have done. Right. In every system. side, you know. Yes, yes, in all 109 countries, all of that shit. It's not to say that it'd be like I forgive this person, you know, for doing this, for being, doing straight Nazi language, but I would

look at this and I would go, you cut out the context in which a strike like this, a particularly disgusting violation of international law and Palestinian human rights was done in plain sight with

a fucking like balsa wood stable fucking reason for it which was oh there was a Hamas camera or something like the brazenness of it I'm not saying that people in moments of anger are allowed to do you know anti-Semitism

I am saying that cutting out the context of it with this fucking tweet being language I look at that and I go this is worse It's as bad as lying. It's worse than lying. Because you are the one who are taking the Zionist, you're legitimizing this particular Zionist tactic, which has been so fucking effective. This tactic specifically.

And you see it with liberals of all stripes. Some of them mean it. Some of them are like earnestly just, you know, that way. I think I think Ben earnestly means it. Yes, I think he does. I think he does. I think he also is, you know, again, like there's going to be a nonprofit orgs who kind of do this kind of shit. And people get mad at them for towing a certain type of line. And, you know, for the most part, I go like, you know, I judge orgs by the work they're doing rather than the problematic tweets that they have. And I judge people that way too. And so this is, you know, final example. This lady. who used to be a big fan of our podcast and hates us now, has been doing like a lot of,

has been covering this a lot in particular. What did she get mad at us for? She originally got mad at us because we weren't sufficiently sad enough when Trump won. Instead, we just said, I told you so. And we spent that episode going like, you know, we spent months and months trying to tell the Democrats not to do this and that Trump would win if they did this. And I'll own that my imagination didn't extend quite to how terrible this administration could

been. It didn't. And I was a little too interested in owning Dems to, you know, I got, I got pulled into that a bit after two years of genocide. Yeah, sure. For a year of genocide. And I'll cop to that. I will say, I don't think we did. I don't think we did much of that on here. We didn't do any, like, talking down. Trump will be fine at all. What we did was say like, you know, there's a reason why Kamala lost. And Trump, at the very least, gave the lie that he was the anti-war president.

But we pointed out it was a lie. We pointed out he would be worse. But she didn't like it because she saw it as like, whatever. I don't care for her reasons. I care for her tactics. And this is the kind of tactic that I fucking hate. This constant, this is someone who likes to climpchimp everything where she takes clips and out of context from our show from other people and she collects data in the way

the what is it called the post left watch account does whereas the constant collection of the left has now gone right and I look at it go like you understand that your your focus on like the content that people are ingesting and whatnot is so petty so as to be nothing but I essentially a data collection source for... You're basically Brooklyn mom defiant at this point. Yes, yes, yes, and I'm sorry. But, like, this is a worldview that is... It's not really compatible with the reality of this situation.

You can be like... It's a level of purism that is not... I don't even think is genuine purism. Because, like, on the one hand, she's doing everything she can, to police the language of Palestinians for not being quite right. At police the language of, you know, anti-Zionist Jews as well, usually under the are you a cis-hat white man type of, you know, meta that has existed for long enough that people just knee-jerk go.

Yes, okay, cis-het white men, go on. But also while simultaneously having in her profile, not taking etiquette advice from genocide airs, you are. You are doing that, Bree. And in Brie, I know you're watching. Well, you're giving etiquette advice to anti-genocide errors. Well, you're giving. But also you-

What does Brie say here? What did Brie say in that tweet? That tweet was about, it was a, I mean, this is... She says, I 100% believe neither Zoran nor Rama knew that renowned Palestinian author, Susan Abolawa, was into this kind of stuff. Right. What? Like, she goes to like a, like... Nazi conventions.

Right-wing fetish clubs or something? Yeah. When Rama agreed to do the illustrations for her book, I myself had no idea about it until recently. It's bad stuff, though. And Zoran is correct to publicly disavow it. Yes. Then there is a picture of,

she screenshots at her own tweet saying, I'm sorry to say that's most of what she does these days. She's into some deeply disturbing Holocaust denial and other anti-Semitic conspiracy theory garbage. And the proof of that is a retweet of someone else who said something that, I guess could be considered Holocaust denial, but I, again, the parsing of it. This is one of those like, one of those like endlessly recursive things.

Yes. It was a dark and stormy night. We were standing on the deck. The captain said, tell me a story, my son. And so I began. It was a dark and stormy night. We were standing on the deck. Yes.

Like, and the picture gets smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller. Right. Yeah. Mirror within a mirror within a mirror. Mirror within a mirror. And I'm like, eventually I'm trying to like read into someone else's thing that was retweeted. That was a quote tweet of an eyes on Palestine and it's showing a, a Palestinian, a concentration camp they're in. And I'm supposed to care that Susan retweeted. It's just like,

this is doing free labor for Zionists. This is doing free Canary Mission. This is doing a free stop anti-Semitism. And I have to strongly encourage people who are liberals, who are, right to be wary of anti-Semitism wherever it comes up. But you need to understand that what you are feeling a lot of the times and what you are responding to, a lot of times is a collection of data points that Zionists do all the time. What they did to Zoron, here's all the smears, smear, smear, smear, smear, smear, smear, smear, smear, a bunch of it untrue bullshit. And then some that you could be like, well, I guess you could see by that type of tactic is the same thing that people like Ben Lorber or Bree are doing in this case in which they are collecting the data needed to smear someone and needed to discard them entirely without taking into context any of their history, any of who they are as a person, any of their views in general and just going, no, your social media retweets and your social media retweets and your,

social media, you know, tweets are a, the deepest insight we get into your dark heart. That is fucking woke 1.0 bullshit that should have been discarded the second time Trump got reelected when we realized that like, oh, this this type of left-on-left violence that we are doing is is only helpful for the right. Knowing who your enemy is is very important.

And if you think your enemy is Susan, because of the fact that you don't like the tweets that she wrote, consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, you are a victim of Hezbar. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, the enemy of my friend is my... Franemy? friend the quote tweeter of my enemy is none of my fucking business and and and the last thing I'll say and then speaking of free labor we should take a break because this ain't free yeah yeah Adam Adam we're on your groovy train I know I know the uh the I didn't want to break the momentum Adam I'm sorry no it's just too it's just too important and too juicy you know like bad Hasbara like getting inside the intricacies of like intra movement shit but I'll say like also your discomfort your sense of ooh something ominous is coming the imminent threat whatever is not equivalent to nor does it supersede

the right of Palestinians in the face of ongoing inexorable and never never ending with no end in sight in fact it's getting worse atrocity oppression genocide displacement horror to speak however the fuck they want to speak about it. Yes. Yeah. You got to take a back seat. And it's not about deference politics. No.

It's not. It's not that I will never criticize a Palestinian or never disagree. But what I will never do is endorse betrayal. I will never endorse backstabbing. I will never endorse lying and smearing in order to engender some kind of respectability resistance. Yes. And most importantly to me, I will never endorse a tactic whose one purpose is to eventually when, you know, if Israel were to win this genocide, a complete its genocide and ethnic cleansing, I will never, ever endorse a tactic that makes it Palestinians fault.

Right. that go if they had only listened to me and if they had only shaped their language to my particular you know red flags and borders and whatnot uh then we could have freed them but instead susan had to go and retweet a person who is retweeting an anti-sama like never i will never endorse that tactic It is not, it doesn't serve anyone and I, yeah, I hate it. I don't like it. Well, it serves, it does serve anyone, just not the anyone that we are trying to. We should take a break.

Bree, I'm sure you're going to have a lot of fun clip chimping this one as well. Make sure to do it out of context as much as you can. Make sure to smash that unlike button. Yeah, smash that unlike button. and yeah everyone we do need to take a break so stick around we'll be right back and we're back as bad as barra the world's most clipped podcast yeah how are we doing everyone out there good great um great clips great clips you get good haircut and you get out of context anti-semitism um before we go because we did spend a long time talking about that uh we we only we only

only have. See what happens when we don't have a guest to interrupt our train of thought? I know. I know. It's, uh, you just interrupt each other and, but, and like, and leapfrog and it's great. And yeah, it's great. I can only hope that, uh, any of it made sense. I usually just black out when I start talking and hope that I ended up on a point. Um, but we need to, real quick, before we get out of here, talk about two clips from the 90-second street Y conference in New York. That's right, folks. There's another conference. Another collection

of Zionists have gotten together to make clips for this podcast that make me want to pull my pubic hair out of my... At a nice liberal establishment like the 92nd Y, which has all kinds of... You know,

you know, it's the kind of place that would host like Amy Poehler. Amy Poehler to talk about parks and recreation with Terry Gross. posting it, you know, like just good New Yorker festival, you know. Totebag having, lanyard wearing motherfuckers.

That is who mostly goes to these types of events. Toot bags, tote bags, magoat bags. Yeah, tote bags, magoat bags, and their ilk. Now, there are, of course, so many of these goddamn conferences that I just, I truly can't believe this, this scene. It is so wild. You see like these

Zionist influencers the lifestyle that they lead is insane. They have nothing but time to do panels, to go and you know do these live events with people who I'm like

the whole audience is like this. It's almost like they constitute a class. Yes, a type of class. We can say which one is it Epstein? Could be. Might not be. But no, this is a common occurrence that we see, these types of events.

But this one was particularly great because of these two clips that have been going around like crazy. This first one is from the former anti-Semitism czar. Yes, yes. Remember, there's an anti-Semitism czar, but not the Nicholas, the second type czar. He's a different type of anti-Semitism czar. This is an anti-ante-Semitism czar. No, we do pogroms good now.

Yeah, exactly. Pogroms correctly, the right way. And this is just a clip of her, well, I'll just play the clip and let it do the talk about. Those of us who were in synagogue yesterday heard Parshad Zahar, very brief reading from Deuteronomy, from Dvarim, about Amalek. What Amalek did to you when you,

you were leaving when you were tired and weary, they attacked you from behind. Why from behind? Because that's where the weak and the elderly and the children were and it was easier for them to get at you. So what are we told to do? I'll tishkach. Don't forget, Zahor, remember, and Timche, wipe them out. Just, I mean at this point, at this point, isn't somebody, anybody, got to wipe it after he get it from mine. That's right. That's right, Adam. It's good to remain pain.

Adam really workshopped that one. It came in steps. He finally nailed it. God. At this point, you'd figure that... Always front to back, folks. You'd figure that any of these people would have, I don't know, taking the hint that, like, maybe we've got to stop, you know, this Amalek thing we're doing

because of the fact that we are just adding evidence to the whole ICJ you know Jesus Christ doing genocide and not only that but to the anti-Jewish conviction

that Jews go to synagogue and salivate about slaughtering entire people like the fact that any Jew could read the Pyrim McGilla get to the end of it and not squirm very uncomfortably in their seat as they read the translation of those final chapters and verses

in which the exact number of tens of thousands of people that we slaughtered on Thursday and then feasted and banqueted is listed speaking of data points and then on the Friday we repeated it and you know women and children were not spared the notion that I mean it really is actually strange to think of a religious group and there's a lot of beautiful things in Judaism which anti-Semites, anti-Jewish people can never appreciate and they erase and they allied and even many of us secular Jews who don't really understand our own tradition are missing out, I think, on a lot of deep, ancient, tried and true cosmic wisdom. Yeah, I know I am for sure.

Just like we can wonder at Catholics sitting there while altar boys are. you know, given shoulder rubs by caucid fucking, you know, priests, knowing what we know. To me, it's not unfathomable that people sit there wondering, huh, so every March, Jews read a book in which they were almost killed, so they slaughtered all the

innocence that are related to or associated with the one guy who tried to kill them. And then they party it up. Oh, and look, Israelis are doing that. Oh, and look. look, Israel's foreign minister and prime minister are announcing that the bombing of the schoolgirls in Iran who's coinciding with this festival and using terms like, I'm like, oh, and Jews go to synagogue and they just sit through this? Like, that's good? You know, like, I'm starting to, I'm actually starting to

sound like Tucker Girls. The more I sort of, same with this. You know, it's just, I mean, I'm not, I don't, I don't hate anyone, obviously. Obviously. But, but. it gets, that tries your brain. I know, I know. And that's not an algorithm. That's just fucking listen to these people. Right, exactly. This is not the, uh, the algorithm.

Like the best you could say is, oh, man, the algorithm exposed you to that bit of person doing that algorithm. Bad algorithm. Yeah. That algorithm. You shouldn't have showed, showed me that image. It shouldn't have showed me the anti-Semitism are being like, so we all know the most important thing in the Jewish religion is.

genocide. Like, don't, you know, that's not the algorithm's fault that she said that. She said that. And here's another thing that was said. This was, I don't have the info as to who exactly this was, but the clip itself, I was just like, this is an incredible bit of Nazi or anti-Semitism and revisionism. That's what it is. Here it is. I want to say one thing also to what Debra said earlier about this new form of anti-semitism. Deborah is who we were talking about the anti- Deborah Lips that. Yeah, yeah, former anti-Semitism czar.

It's not so new anti-Zionism. I want to point out, here's how not new it is. What's the first document of anti-Zionism? The protocols of the elders of Zion. It was written in response to the world Zionist Congresses. It was true, the Jews were gathering to hatch their international plans, and we still do, right? But what I think is...

So, okay. And that's what we're doing here at the 90-second Y. That's right. And that's what we do every month at a new goddamn conference. But don't you quote that, Susan Abouawa. No, no. Don't you comment on it. You don't get to, I'm sorry.

Yeah, don't internalize that. And the privacy of her public address. Yeah, exactly. And the privacy of the 90-second. Why. Oh, it just so. The mind-fuck, the absolute mind-fuck of being a Palestinian in this world. I can't even imagine. I don't know how they don't go insane.

Exactly. We go insane and we are not Palestinian. In fact, we are literally the people that Israel is claiming to offer refuge to. It is fucking insane to imagine this type of feeling and being Palestinian. I just, I just couldn't. I don't think I have the strength of a Muhammad El-Kurd. I don't have that kind of, like, I would just be, I'd be an asshole about it. And I'd be like, I don't fucking care, you know, because, because fuck it. You know, it's like, it's just, you see a clip like that, just this person who has made it their job to be the person who shows you where the line is in terms of anti-Semitism. And they're saying the first instance of anti-Zionism was the protocols of the elders of Zion, which was, you know, came directly out of

this actual real thing, the first, you know, Zionist Congress, which was a, yes, a plot of Jews, a cabal of Jews getting together to do, to hatch schemes. And I'm supposed to, like. And we're still doing it. Yes. We're still doing it. And we're proud of it. And, and, you know, it's not to say that I think the protocols of the elders of Zion are real. It is not. It has been proven to be this forgery. Back when anti-Semitism was used mostly as a way for, you know, the fucking czar to have an enemy, you know, an internal enemy to blame for all sorts of shit, you know, a distraction. I'm not saying it's real.

she's the one giving it fucking legitimacy by saying, well, you know, there's a point to it about the world domination and the caballing that we do. So, you know, maybe we just call a moratorium on all conferences, you know, maybe that's the one thing that just, you could still be a genocidal fucking freak. It's your right as an American. But maybe stop taping your stuff.

yourself doing it because that's only going to have you guys continue your your victimization campaigns. That's all it does. You know what I mean? Yep. And it's going to make me not want to join the 92nd Street Y. Yeah. I've swam there. But, you know, now I am a member of the YMCA here in Brooklyn because, well, it's fun to stay

there. It's fun to stay there. As our president knows. You can get yourself clean. You can have a good meal. You can let a young man cop a feel. I don't think that's the, is that the lyric? What lyric?

I'm just talking about my lib experience. I've never. Is there a song? I don't know anything about a song. But I do know that this has been a wonderful podcast. And I think so much, Daniel, for being my co-host and life partner. Hey, man. Talking about our libbed experience.

Our libed experience. Yeah. No, it's great, Matt. I love doing these episodes, these guestless episodes. It's nice sometimes just to be the two of us, you know? Yeah, because this is a conversation that we would have in private over the phone. And, you know, it's nice to have it be in public. It's kind of the same thing as doing a conference at the 92nd Street Y, except for we're correct.

We're correct and we're non-genicidal. So, you know. That's exactly like when we talk on the phone. Like when you call me, talk about something really urgent, I'll be like, uh-uh, uh-uh, what's the magic question? You have to say, what's the spin, Daniel? And then I spend 10 minutes telling you about some records you don't care about it. And then we can talk about it.

And then we get to talk. Yeah. Your little emergency. It's, but I feel like it's worth it for the conversation that we have, you know, even though I'm like, Daniel, I don't care about the records. You keep telling me, we're just on the phone. This isn't even for anyone. Thank you, everyone, for listening to this podcast.

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