Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 191: Get With The Pogrom, with Cameron Kasky

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by March For Our Lives co-founder and activist Cameron Kasky to talk modern art criticism in the imperial core, zionists’ sudden case of morals over this week’s West Bank pogroms, and the smoldering appeal of past Bad Hasbara guests sized 6’3” and greater.Please donate to Pal-Humanity: http://palhumanity.com/VANCOUVER STAND UP TICKETS: FRANCESCA FIORENTINI AND MATT LIEB APRIL 5 AT CHILLXSTUDIO: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/francesca-fiorentini-and-matt-lieb-co-headline-tickets-1985342654323Jasper Nathaniel Substack: https://www.infinitejaz.com/New Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Daniel, homie. Spin that shit for me. All right, let's add some albums to the playlist. By the way, to our intrepid playlist keeper, we did a what's the spin on the live stream on Friday. I don't know that that made it onto the list. So go back and check that one out on the page. Patreon.

Yeah, yeah. But today, the theme is special, like very special guests, like surprising guests. We have great guests on this show. I don't know if we've had any guests that made people go like, wow, what are they doing there? Maybe Deborah Winger, maybe Roger Waters. Sure. But I was listening to this Paul Simon record, his first solo album, him in the parka here.

And all of a sudden, there's a little duet between him and jazz violin legend, Stefan Grapelli, called Hobos Blues. And I was like, oh, that's not a collaboration I expected to hear on here. So that's the theme. Thundercat, his album, Drunk, features an incredible cameo. He's in the middle of doing this very yacht rock infused kind of almost pastiche song called Show Me the Way. And he says, ladies and gentlemen, I'm very proud to present Kenny Loggins. And this fucking Kenny Loggins impersonator starts coming on, but it's not an impersonator.

It's actually Kenny Loggins. And then he does the same thing, ladies and gentlemen, Michael McDonald. And this Michael McDonald impersonator pulls up and starts singing and it's actually Michael McDonald. Oh, okay.

It's not Kenny Loggins doing a Michael McDonald's. No, no, no, no, it's actually Kenny Loggins. And... What? Thundercat played bass in suicidal tendencies? When? Is that real? Well, you know who else?

We're getting a thumbs up from Adam. He says that's real. You know who else played base? That's interesting that you say that. You know who else played bass in suicidal tendencies Robert Trujillo of Metallica and he was in Mike Muir's side project

Infectious Grooves which I just got and it's on the shelf right behind me including the song Monster Skank which I'm sure you would like at him You did the monster skank Oh it's not It was a graveyard wank Oh that dick was stank

Oh that dick was stank Sorry I nearly puke after I drank. David Bowie Young Americans features John Lennon is on this album. Oh, yeah, that's right. He co-wrote the song Fame and did background vocals on it, which you wouldn't expect. That's right.

Joni Mitchell's 80s output has a ton of crazy guest stars you wouldn't expect. On this album, Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm, the first song, My Secret Place, has Peter Gabriel on it. Dancing Clown has Billy Idol on it. it and Cool Water has Willie Nelson on it. Nice. Good class.

A couple of rappers showing up where you wouldn't expect them. R.E.M. Out of time. This is the album with shiny happy people and losing my religion. But the opening song, radio song, features a cameo from KRS1. Oh, I do not know that. I only know those hit songs off of it. Shiny Happy People. It's a beautiful album out of time.

I've been doing a lot of REM on the show recently. That makes sense. Yeah. You're, I enjoy REM-Coded. In fact, it's kind of a miracle. You're not a U-2 fan. Do you ever think about that? It is kind of a miracle.

Well, wait for it, because YouTube makes a special, strange appearance somewhere that I'm going to feature in just a second. Sonic Youth, the album is called Goo. And Chuck D of Public Enemy, of all people,

makes a strange little cameo on the song, Cool Thing. I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I love that era of like, strange, strange little band they got there. Strange little band. Damn, son.

Damn. You too. Okay, got it. You too on the song Triple X, and it's really a great song. I like what they do on there, you know. It's not a place. That's right? Yeah, exactly.

And then finally, a Tribe Call Quest's final album, their goodbye album, released around the time that Fife Dog died, the anniversary of which I think was just a few days ago, features a few surprising cameos including Jack White, not Jack Black, but Jack White, but also Elton John is on here. I love that. On the song Solid Wall of Sound,

which samples Benny and the Jets, but he also sings, he has, you know, he sings some original vocals for it. He sings some original vocals with Q-Tip on here, yeah. I love that. And I was looking at the lyrics to this album, and there's a song called Conrad Tokyo, in which Fife wraps about, you know,

bullshit CNN. and politics, politic and SNL and Trump hilarity. He talks about SNL-Trump hilarity, and we don't have any time for that shit. I think this came out in like 2015, 2016 or something like that. Yeah. Pretty fucking... Turns out we had a lot of time for that shit.

That turns out we have nothing but time for that shit. Speaking of... That's the spin. That's the spin. And speaking of nothing but time for that shit, and special guests. That's right. And special guests.

we got to get on to our guest. I am very excited about this next guest. He is an activist. He is a, you know what? He's a fine young Jewish man. He is a mensch. He is someone who has been making the rounds on various shows and is someone who is a staunch advocate for Palestinians. Excited to have him here.

Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome to the podcast, Cameron Kasky. What up, dog? Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me. Hey, Cameron. Welcome. Yeah. How's it going?

I like your millennial records behind you. Super millennial. Super millennial. Especially today, you know. You want to meet up and go play Pong? Oh, my God. Listen, first of all, we get that you're young and hip, and you probably go to TikTok and do all the things.

but we're not that old. How old do you think I am, Cameron? If you have the guess. I don't think you look a day over 29. Oh, man, that is, you know how to get right into my heart. They tell you that form of flattery is only for women. I don't do that based on gender. I tell everyone that they look like a sprightly 20-something.

You're an equal opportunity age liar, and I appreciate that. Well, as a last ditch, sort of last moment, Gen Xer, I'm actually very flattered by the millennial dig. Yeah, he's a Gen Xer, that's the thing. I did think you were a millennial. That wasn't just flattery. Wait, so you're saying you don't think I'm 29? This is fucking bullshit. Anyway, anyway, Israel.

Israel, one of our favorite subjects to talk about. Yeah. I want to ask you about yourself. I want our audience to be. Speaking of countries that are younger than they look. Tell us a little bit about yourself. I think first became aware of you as you were one of the, one of the many students who survived the Parkland shooting.

And I had seen you, you know, interviewed in multiple places. But very recently you ran for Congress. And one of the things that you did was you actually went to the West Bank. Can you tell us about how you went from, I'm going to run for Congress to I'm also going to visit the West Bank and see what life is like there? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of bizarre stuff in my lore. You know, when you're basically like a child star, except instead of your Disney show, it was the massacre of 17 of your classmates that just puts you on a strange path. I've done some very odd things that don't make a lot of sense over the years. But I ran for Congress because I was just like, how can I game pretty much the most Zionist political district in the country and get something out of it?

Where is that? Is it in Florida? No, it's in New York. It's New York's 12th congressional district. So it's Upper West Side, Upper East Side, down to Chelsea in Stuytown. And I was like, I feel like I can exploit Jerry Nadler stepping down to do some sort of Palestine advocacy. that's just uses different tools than a lot of Palestine advocacy, because I have certain things at my disposal that a lot of advocates don't have,

and I get asked about activism a lot because March for Our Lives, which is an organization that we started in my house back in Parkland, was kind of the definitive beginning of what Zumer activism was going to look like. Because keep in mind, there were a couple of years, where Zomers looked like we were going to be the best and not the fucking worst. And March for Our Lives is a big part of our story. Sterling reputation for the first bit of it. But what I say to people when they ask how they should do activism is that it's a different

answer for everybody. You have to use the tools in your box and use the tools at your disposal. So I have a very different set of abilities to lend my time and effort to this than other people do. For example, I don't really go to protests because due to school shooting related PTSD, I don't do very well in crowds. nor do I do very well in rooms that are very crowded. So when I'm in a crowded room,

like I had to be as a congressional candidate plenty of times, I have to dissociate. And it's a very complex situation. I haven't done drugs and alcohol in years. But dissociating was a lot easier when I could do ketamine. So a lot of my activism was ketamine-fueled for a very dark. It's a funny thing. So you didn't want to go into a K-hole just so you could join the K-Hive?

I never did enough. First of all, that's funny. Second of all, I never did enough to K-hole. I did a lot of bumps. I never did lines. Because, again, I wasn't looking to, like, ball out on ketamine. I was looking to dissociate. So when I would do...

Yeah, you were trying to cope is what it sounds like. It was, you know, it was not a healthy coping mechanism, but, you know, you'd be hard-pressed to find a lot of popular healthy coping mechanism. All this is to say, I have influence on Capitol Hill. Out of my congressional run, we were able to get a house resolution introduced with the help of Congressman Roe-Kana, who is really stepping forward a lot on these issues. And, I mean, his office just turns out more in two weeks

than a lot of members do in their entire term and sometimes multiple turns. So Roe is very open-minded to new policy solutions, and he was great to work with. But I also, I have this ability as a Parkland survivor and somebody who's influential on social media, I can get meetings on the Hill. And I frequent MSNBC, and I get to say things,

on the news that other people simply cannot get away with saying. Because when you're Jewish and a seven, you can get away with anything. So the tools in my box are very much related to communication and influence and sort of understanding how power works, which is something that a lot of Jewish anti-Zionists don't understand. And that's why Jewish anti-Zionists make up one of the largest portions of annoying people in my life. And that's, so I guess... Same.

Listen. Did you guys watch Game of Thrones? Of course. You know how Sir Beres didn't sell me says to DeNaris Targaryen. Every time a Targaryen king is born, the gods flip a coin. It's either going to be greatness or madness in the world holds its breath to see what happens. Every time a Jewish person kind of has their worldview shattered like mine was, because I grew up in a very Zionist environment and becomes an anti-Zionist. God, Hashem flips a coin.

You either become extremely humbled or the biggest fucking narcissist in the world. Because there is a superiority complex that comes from being one of the small percentage of your people to see this very basic truth about the world. And you think you're really smart. And I have to say to Jewish anti-Zionists, you're not at 100. You went from negative 100 to zero. So don't think you're some fucking genius here. You recognize the sky is blue. Congratulations.

Absolutely. And man, if I could get that just sent out as like a mass email to a lot of people that I know it would be I would have had a better weekend. They'll tell you that much. Yeah, no, it is it is very interesting to see, you know, to hear you talk about growing up that way and then kind of having that awakening. I'd like to hear when that started for you, like when, how you grew up and then when the sort of brainwashing, whatever you want to call it, the story. structures that made you a Zionist started to fall apart. Yeah, when did you hit zero? So, you know, the thing about Zionism is if you ask three Zionists and three anti-Zionists

to define Zionism, you're going to get six answers. So I was functionally a Zionist, but I was never technically a Zionist given that I was pro-Israel and I thought that, you know, my family members that served in the IDF were brave and that they were tough, badasses. But if you had been like, God promised us the land, I would have been like, God. promised us the land. Oh, God, big man in the sky. Oh, okay.

He did a big he swear and now it's ours. God created this wide range of creatures in the world and of human beings and of animals in the ocean that we still don't even know about to this day. But then he took one group of people and gave them tummy issues and beachfront property in the West Asia region. Congratulations. You got fucking punked. But again, like, my output was saying. Yeah, you knew Messianic Zionism was cringe, but you were still in terms of just tribal identity

and a sense that, yeah, that country belongs to me too. And my relatives, like, you felt a connection to the place, no? No, I didn't feel a connection to it because the Israeli members of my family and I just never really connected. So I just, you know, I didn't, my dad had been on a kibbutz when he was a teenager or something, but I was more just like Islamophobic. And, you know, I was raised in post-9-11 America.

I was born in 2000. I mean, that's enough to get you a passing grade in most Zionist education. No, that's what I'm saying. So I was functionally Zionist, but all the spiritual bullshit. One of the first things my parents told me when I started going to Hebrew school was they were like, by the way, they're going to talk to you a lot about God. and that's probably made up. Like, that's probably not an actual thing.

We can't confirm that it's not a real thing, but it's very hard to believe. And I was like, okay, then why the fuck are you sending me a Hebrew school? I don't want to do this. There's more school. But when they tell you that Arab radio stations told their residents to leave in 1947, believe that shit. Yeah, that's the one thing you should believe.

No, and then, yeah. So, you know, I always thought that the Israel thing was just a little dramatic. That's one way to put it. And I thought that, but I was like, Like whatever, it's, you know, I just looked at it the way many Zionists do is just like another American outpost in the Middle East region.

And I was raised to believe that that was important. And that when Muslims and Arabs and stuff were killed, well, it was for a reason. It was a strategic thing and that their lives were just inherently less valuable and that, you know, all of them were terrorists and stuff like that. So that was my mindset for a very long time. And then, you know, I didn't have. this sort of come to God moment that a lot of people have. It was a very slow process for me.

I definitely started feeling negative about Israel before I started feeling empathy for the victims of the state of Israel. Because I saw a lot of the, you know, escalatory military actions they were taking. And I was like, you guys are begging to get attacked. Like you guys are so fucking stupid. And I would hear, my family members talk about Judea and Samaria

and I was like, what the fuck is that? Do you want me to start talking about my foreign policy perspective on fucking Atlantis? Like, welcome to modern history, you fucking idiot. But again, I still was just like, oh, the terrorists, you know, stop the terrorists and everything.

Well, but little did you know it, even being able to feel this sense of disgust and cringe and like these guys are just begging to be attacked, that is a kind of backdoor to the empathy for what their victims must feel because that's exactly what motivates reprisals. Yeah, but what I would say is that a lot of people who have their off-ramp from the Zionist stuff,

it's more often the empathy first and then while they still hold on to this. Because liberal Zionism, I describe, I call it the woke knuckba and I call it like progressive apartheid. But I do understand that it is an off-ramp for a lot of people who are very scared of getting away from the right wing nationalist stuff and they're scared of their families and everything. So they, the way I describe it is they cling to a vision of Israel the way that a lot of my friends will not throw out their ex-boyfriend's hoodie because it kind of, it smells like his color.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when they wear the ex-boyfriend's hoodie, they're reminded of all of the good stuff while I. They get a little horny. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like a reformed bisexual. It's like I might sleep. with a man again, I highly doubt it, because it's just been the worst.

And I say to my straight friends, many ways I'm straighter than you are because I know what it's like on the other side and the grass is always greener. But all this is to say, I still, given my chemical sexual preferences, I function as gay best friend to a lot of my female friends.

Like a lot of my female friends, and it's an organic thing. It's just how I operate because I hate men, yes, in a feminist way, but more for personal. reasons. And I always say to them, like, you're only thinking about the good memories with this guy. You're not thinking about why this fell apart in the first place. And that's what I say to liberal Zionists, too. I'm like, you're clinging to the land of milk and honey. You're not clinging to the reality of this situation. And a lot of Zionists come to me to talk about my perspective.

I ignore the ones who just want to argue. I talk to the ones who want to have a better understanding of why I use words like resistance, things like that are very scary to them. And when somebody comes to me in good faith, I always talk to them. But I think that a lot of anti-Zionist Jews also are very quick to demonize Zionists as opposed to Zionism. And like, I know a Jewish anti-Zionist who had his Great Awakening. And then six months later was like calling Zionist Nazis. And I was like, hey, dude, hey, dude, that was you less than a season of TV ago. So maybe you should focus on the system and not the individual because when somebody in the general Muslim world is due to their upbringing very homophobic and anti-gay, I do not consider that a moral failing of them.

I consider it the result of the system into which they were raised. And I believe that with a deeper understanding of the human experience, those are beliefs that can be reformed and changed. I've actually seen this with religious people, regardless of their faith. So it's like a lot of Jewish anti-Zionists will act like Zionists simply cannot be reformed at this point. And I'm like, okay, I was. Well, no, that's just them looking for a way to not have to deal with where they come from and who they come from and who they're still in relationship with. And it's a shame. It's a shame because strategically, we need people who are not so far from the exit ramp to stay, you know, like,

I'm not only these people who's like, cut your family off if they believe things you problematically believed until three months ago. Yeah, the onus is not on Arabs and Muslims to negotiate the Zionists. I don't think that that's a fair ask for them, but the onus is on us and it's an important responsibility. It is literally the responsibility that you have as someone who's Jewish, especially in the West. I mean, especially since the Hezbara around it and the programming around it is you can't trust anyone who is anti-Israel because they are Jew haters. And so it makes it imperative for Jews

to be the ones who speak out because a lot of these people, they need a soft off-ramp into this or else they are going to continue building up these defense mechanisms. I want to talk to you about your trip to the West Bank. You went to the West Bank pretty recently. How long ago was that? That was the end of December. Okay. And I, I, I, I think I remember the origin of this trip. You went at the urging of Jasper Nathaniel, who was a friend of the show, homies of ours. No, is that not right?

Other way around. No, I urged Jasper Nathaniel to set it up. Oh, you urged Jasper to set up the trip. Well, I said, like, can you help me go? Sure, sure. And I wanted to go before the new year. Had you been planning to go to Israel, you know, 48? before then and then realized you had to do both?

Or was this trip specifically for you to experience the West Bank? No, I didn't have any desire to go to 1948 Israel. Which is so funny because I remember when you did and you arrived, there were a bunch of Zionist Hasbara accounts that tried to own you. They're like, oh, look, caskies at Ben-Gurian airport in Israel. Yeah, he says it was an anti-Zsign. Like, yeah, that's where you have to land. Hassan Piker had a really good tweet about it where he was like,

like imagine your country being so ass that you're smearing people by saying that they went there but yeah i was approached by this girl in the airport who uh and i was wearing a covid mask and i'm a very generic looking white person so the thought of somebody recognizing me from this is just very hard to believe i i mean i am average height i like you know there was another candidate in my congressional race, who I don't really want to talk about for, we don't have enough time, Jack Schlossberg. Jack Schlossberg has a very specific face. He has a very specific face.

It's a handsome face, and it's a very unique-looking face, and he's very tall. So if somebody caught Jack Schlossberg, and he's, you know, more of a famous person. Like, if somebody went up to Jack Schlossberg, that would make perfect sense, because even behind a COVID mask, you could tell that's him. I'm the most regular Like if I mugged you What the fuck would you tell the sketch artist? Like there's nothing specific I have small ears

Luigi Mangione did it again That's probably what I would say I don't know I got sort of formally bisexual Vives from him vaguely But I couldn't tell you what it looks like Not anymore But spiritually bisexual at this point

That's what I was Not sworn off of it Not sworn off of it Of course But he looked like he Yeah No future intentions She went up to me

And she said are you K McCasky And I was like no Well, I didn't say that. I said, no, who's that? And she told me, and I was like, oh, yeah, I don't really follow American politics, but I'll look them up and I'll see if that's a compliment. And she said, okay, thank you for your time. And then she posted pictures and videos of me that she had taken,

which is like the most Zionist behavior in the world. Sure. And I had found out that she was kind of a nutcase who was like at Columbia Spectator or something like that. And, you know, it was one of those like, I quit because of the anti-Semitism people, whatever, whatever. And then, and then, like, you know, who's the, who's, like, the compulsive liar kid, who is an Ivy League guy? Shabas Al-Yacobi.

Al-A-L. Yacobi, the biggest, it's so funny. Him and Elon Levy, I always say, like, I could make a better pro-Israel argument than you can, and I am extremely anti-Israel. But anyway, they were, you know, not Elon, but Eyal and all those guys were. all like trolling me for going to Israel. I was just like, what do you guys think I was doing over there? Do you think I was in gay Tel Aviv? Do you think I was going to go see the beaches? Like, if you take more than one second to ask yourself what I might be doing at that airport,

because I was going to fly into Jordan, but Jasper told me that you're more likely to get turned away at the checkpoint if you're coming in from Jordan. And I had publicly said some things about Israel that we're obviously going to get me a little bit more scrutiny trying to get in and out. But anyway, when to the West Bank, set up by Jasper. I wanted to rush it. So I said to Jasper, how quickly can you set me up over there with the people I need to know? Because I wasn't going to go directed by some liberal Zionist organization. I was going to go directed by the Palestinians there. And Jasper was like, whenever. So I said, can we do it in 48 hours? No pun intended. And I literally

meant it two days. It's just, you know, conveniently is 48. And he told me, like, I didn't believe you were going to go. I believed you were going to, you know, and I would have understood you were going to not be interested in going. But I went. It was the first time I'd ever left the United States. And I don't do well on airplanes. So that was a little intimidating for me. I sat next to a girl on the airplane on the way there who told me she was on her way to go volunteer for the IDF because she wanted to do something. She wanted to do something for Israel before she went to medical school and she asked me what I was going there for. And I was like, oh, you know, I just want to go see my family history. And I get picked up. I get through the airport more easily than I thought.

And I just went all over. I went to more urban population centers. I went to suburbs in area A. I went to Bedouin villages. There were more, like if you ask people to name 12 parts of of the occupied West Bank, I went to nine of the ones that would get name dropped in six days. I had never experienced jet lag before. I could almost eat nothing because Arabs put sesame seeds on everything and I'm deathly allergic to them. What? That's a new kind of anti-Semitism.

You're allergic to sesame? Definitely allergic to sesame. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Also, that's hilarious. So actually when Zionists pull out there, you know, try going to Janine and see how they like your Jewishness there. You can actually say, yeah, they tried to kill me. They tried to kill me a lot.

And the worst thing is it's very hard to turn down food from any brown people. Yeah. If you're with brown people, like the first time I ever thought Muslims were actually going to kill me, I was at dinner with my friend's family. And I, like, and the mom, the auntie was putting food on my plate. And I was like, oh, I'm stuffed. And she just looked at me. and she had this, like, homicidal look in her eyes, and she was like, no, you're not. And I was like, okay.

But it was a very interesting experience. Yeah. A lot of people were showing me their bullet wounds, and they were showing me videos of themselves or others getting shot. And there was this very complex psychological experience I had because I had to basically perform shock and awe. Whereas, as a school shooting survivor, I've seen videos of my personal friends getting shot. And I have seen, you know, I've toured around the United States. I've been to almost every state talking to victims of gun violence, talking to people, whether it was something like Aurora, Sandy Hook, or Parkland,

where it was this terrible anomaly, or if it was somewhere like Chicago and different areas where gun violence is part of their day-to-day lives, whether it's police violence, domestic violence. I've seen every form of gun violence up close. And I've probably seen at least 100 people's bullet wounds in person. person. And I am not conflating the two forms of violence. I mean, at the end of the day, taking a life is taking a life, but there's a difference between violence under occupation and violence at my high school because the shooter from Parkland, the shooter from Parkland was the bad guy

of the story. And the people who are shooting the people in the occupied West Bank and Gaza and Lebanon, those, as far as Israel is concerned, are the heroes. And the armed forces, you know, the police arrested the shooter from a high school and he was prosecuted to the fullest extent or the law, whereas the people who were shooting, the people I was talking to, they're all prancing around having a merry day and they're throwing parties for them. So I'm not saying it's the same thing. What I'm saying is I did not have a physical response to watching videos of people getting murdered because it's one of the most familiar things to me. It's my entire adult life I've been seeing these things. So I had to, I had to, but I wasn't going to be like, oh yeah, I know what

you're talking about. I've seen that. Yeah, been there. Don't worry, Palestinians. I know what you're talking about. So what, if anything, did shocker surprise you there? If it wasn't, if you're inured to, you know, the site of, you know, forensic. Physical gun violence and stuff. Was there anything in terms of the facts of life on the ground, the vibes, just anything you picked up on that you were, like, really not prepared for?

I mean, you know, there's just some things that even when you understand them, when you see them, it's a whole other experience. So seeing the checkpoints and seeing the, the occupation. It was very different. I was very surprised by everybody's sense of humor, but then I realized that I shouldn't be because, you know, the people I make school shooting jokes with are normally the people I know who have lost family members in school shootings. Comedy is the weapon we have against trauma because you're never going to get over trauma. It's just a question of what, of what skills you develop in tackling it.

So, you know, I make jokes all the time about school shootings with my friend whose sister was killed, my friend whose son was killed. It's just the way, it's the only way we can win. the only way we can let the person who traumatized us lose as if we have a good sense of humor about it. So everybody who I met there was very funny and had a very dark sense of humor. And it was surprising me at first, but then I was like, wait, this is everyone I know from Parkland, too. Most of the people I know who are not sensitive about school shootings are the people who have been in them. The other thing was just the pervasiveness of the occupation, the way that it hangs in the air. I describe it in a way that definitely diminishes the seriousness of it. I describe it as like

the fog and Scooby-Doo, when Scooby is able to pull out like a butter knife and cut a hole in the fog, which, you know, is a pretty Gen X reference. So here I am calling you guys old. But it was- That's what I like about your generation. The millennials scoffed at Gen X. You guys have, you've skipped that. There's a kind of appreciation for something. hate millennials more than they hate you. It's fucking bullshit. Well, I think generations are over. I have this little girl who's basically my assistant.

She's 18 years old, and I do not feel like I'm in the same generation as she is. Like when she says stuff, she's very precocious and she's very skilled and has very clearly a very high IQ person. But she says shit. And I'm like, it's not even like this is a younger sibling to me. It's like this is my fucking kid. And then I have friends... What I liked about that is it was a very boomer thing of you to say,

I got this little girl, she's 18 years old. No, she's a... She's a voting-aged woman, but she's very much like... She talks a lot about look-maxing and mugging. Is that what it is? No, but that era of stuff, yes. So she actually gets mad when I say mog. She's like, you're too old to say a mug, and I'm like, fuck you.

If you ask you her to come in for like six, seven hours, does she make a bunch of hand gestures? Well, so I was hosting a screen and... of Palestine 36. Oh, such a great movie. Yeah, I was doing a Q&A with the director in New York City a couple days ago. And Marie? Yeah. And we, I said to her, you know, while the meme is still alive, you should make Palestine 67.

Yes. Hell, yes. Because every time I hear six, seven, I'm like, which one? Jordan, Egypt. But it's a very bad husband. No, it's this. There's only so many people who will get that one. Hey, Israel, where are the six, seven borders? There we go.

Yeah, exactly. But I, yeah, I, this kid will just say stuff. And I thought when I, when she came under my tutelage, that she would be like a little sister. Because she's my little sister's age. And my little sister is, again, a woman, but she's my, I'm, she's my step-sister. I met her when she was four. She's still four to me, you know, that's still my baby sister. But then she started saying stuff, and there was this one moment where she said something.

And at the same time, I was so proud of her and amazed by her. And I was also like, oh, my God, fucking get out of my apartment. Shut up. You're so annoying. And I was like, wait, this is what being a parent is like. Having an eight-year-old is at the same time being like, you can do no wrong. I worship the ground you walk on. And also, leave me the fuck alone.

And also, you know how easy you are to drown? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I can do it so easy. I don't have a window that's suicide prevention. I can throw you out of it. That's right. Well, so getting back to the fog you were talking about. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's like every step you hear, it could be the settler who's going to kill someone in front of you. And every time a shadow dances on the wall, it could be the ATV of a settler who's speeding through town at 90 miles an hour and is going to hit a little kid, which a little girl named Siwar, who I met. But she got hit by a settler's car a week or two ago. I talked about it on MS, NBC, which I need to stop calling on MS. MS. MS never. I'm dead naming it. But she got hit by a settler's car.

And one of her family members sent me pictures of it from the hospital. And I was just like, oh, my God, these people need nukes. but the occupation, it's everything they know. And I compared it to the Parkland shooting. Again, this violence is their life and their family history. It's not this one thing that happened in one of the safest cities in America. But it's also true that the feeling that I saw and that I experienced in a white American way, but I still experienced it.

Yeah. The feeling in one of the villages I was in, it was the feeling that my classmates and I had when we were hiding under our desks because we didn't know if the next person in the room was going to be the SWAT team or the shooter. And with the way SWAT teams work, we didn't know if the SWAT team was going to overreact and misfire because in the classroom I was in, I was with the kids with developmental disabilities and some of them have elevated responses where they might, what we could call, lose control in a high pressure situation.

So I was very concerned that one of the kids who was lower functioning might have had a big reaction upon seeing an armed officer and created enough of a stir that the wrong thing happened and somebody pulled a trigger. And that's the West Bank, it's both the settlers and the armed officers in response who are at risk of doing the murder. There's two reasons you can't tell the difference. Number one, both them are doing the murder and they work hand in hand and they worked hand and pull up to shit together. Number two, the settler militias are all wearing their gear from when

they were in the idea. That's right. So, and they still have their weapons. So it's, it doesn't matter. The difference between an occupation, like soldier and a, and a settler, it's just, there's no point. And, and, but neither of them are going to face any consequence for their actions. It's not like there's a different level of accountability to which they're held. No, the difference is paperwork. You know, some people are active duty and some people are not. Well, there's something that this is, I think, segues very well to what we want to look at in terms of what's been happening recently. Because when there is such an uptick in settler violence, like you talked about how it's just the fog and it's the environment the Palestinians live in, it's their daily normal. But when things pass some invisible threshold, and I don't quite know what it is, but every now and then, all of a sudden there's a whole bunch of liberal Zionist and even beyond liberal Zionist hand rigging, like straight up mainstream Zionist,

about how this is not who we are. Like, we're the SWAT team. We're not the school shooter. And we need to make a clear distinction. That's right. If we do violence against Palestinians, it's accidental, or they deserved it. But these guys out here. It's not uncouth murder like this.

It's judicious, legal, you know. And we've been seeing a lot of this recently due to or in the aftermath of this, this rash of, you know, new extreme settler violence. Yeah, so this weekend, just to give some people background on what has been happening, because over the weekend there was huge, I mean, there's no, nothing else to call it other than Pagrom that was going on in the West Bank. Is that how you pronounce Pagrum? Pagram is how I pronounce.

Pogrom. We do three different versions of it. I say Pagrom. Daniel says Pagrum. And what did you say, Pagrum? Pagrum. It feels like a very Americanized way to say. Yeah, I mean, it's probably a Russian word, right?

Yeah. Well, either way, it's a word mostly associated with the, you know, mass is getting, yeah, get with the pogrom, everyone. Masses are getting together to do some racialized, you know, hate, hate crimes against Jews. And this is what we see all the time in the West Bank. So this weekend, basically there was an incident with a car. An 18-year-old Israeli settler was killed in an incident in the West Bank on Saturday after the ATV he was traveling in, was hit by a Palestinian vehicle, according to the Israeli police. Yehuda Sherman was 18, and he lived in an illegal settlement outpost called Shuvah Israel Farms in northern West Bank and was conducting a, quote, land patrol, which, of course, is not at all. expanded on in terms of what the fuck that means.

And he was doing it with two other men when, you know, according to multiple accounts of this by more trusted sources, this is sort of a thing that a lot of settlers do in order to intimidate Palestinians who are driving, you know, down a road is like kind of play chicken with them with an ATV and try to like drive them off the road. and in this case, the Palestinian driver of a pickup truck

ended up, I think, hitting the ATV with his car to get the fuck out of there and it caused the deaths of a... You can't even do a land patrol safely anymore. It's like... Which reminds me I was in my my next door neighbor's bedroom the other night,

just doing sort of a, you know, an apartment patrol. Sure, sure, sure. And I got kicked in the nuts. Yeah, I remember like, where did neighborliness go to? Well, correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't even the Israeli police, or was it the PA, which is basically the Israeli police did a car accident?

Yes, it was deemed the car accident, but this is still being heavily disputed and propagandized. Yeah, the, I mean, the land patrol itself is kind of a dead giveaway as to what exactly was going on here. According to the IDF, this is an incident involving a tender, which is the pickup truck with the Palestinian side and a ranger. This is the ATV with three Israelis. A Palestinian pickup, hit the ranger, and rolls off the side of the road. Jasper Nathaniel wrote a collision between Israeli and Palestinian vehicles on a dangerous road in PA territory. Area A left the settler dead.

Army is investigating. Police are calling it an accident. Settlers, though, are out for blood, quote, Jews revenge. He posted a couple of pictures, tweets, one of the settler who died, and another of this guy, what is it, Elisha Jere, wrote on Route 60 near the Benjamin Gate now, we went out to ensure that the enemy will not continue to travel freely on the roads and endanger us all, because we will not let the murder pass. without consequence, Jews, revenge.

And the weirdest thing about this was, or the most noted thing, was the fact that so many of the Hezbaras that we cover on this show constantly, who are basically open genocide airs and doing whatever they can in order to support Israel, a lot of them started tweeting against this act of settler violence. Yeah, to be clear, for these people, there is literally nothing that the Israeli army can do that will lead to this kind of full-throated denunciation. There's nothing that Israeli prison guards can do that will lead to this kind of denunciation.

There is nothing that the Israeli government can do, the Israeli police can do. No official arm, officially official arm of the Israeli state, can do anything to provoke this kind of outcry from them. But suddenly we got Batya Angar Sargon. Yeah. She says the Israeli government needs to crack down on this sickening settler terrorism right now before another innocent soul is harmed. Emily fucking Schrader, L.A.'s very own. The shaved Grinch.

Yeah, the shaved Grinch herself said, what a hateful, what kind of hateful bigot gets up in the middle of a war when ballistic missiles are flying and says, I have an idea. let's go burn homes and cars of Palestinians. What the fuck? These people are disgusting. This is terrorism.

And I hope they rot in prison. I like the implication that during a war is not the right time to get up. And go and go burn homes and go like, this is peacetime activity, you sickos. We can only burn certain homes and cars. Yeah, it's an interesting thing. It's just the sanitization of the, Israeli state and it's this idea that, oh, this isn't like us, we can't do this. And it's like, it's just the IDF or the occupation forces, whatever you want to call it,

they are simultaneously the most and least advanced military operation in the world. And the Mossad is simultaneously the most advanced intelligence operation in the world and also just must have accidentally taken a nap during the October 7th. attacks that took years of planning and training and tons of artillery being moved into Gaza, which they openly flexed. They watched like a hawk and they're able to hack everybody's cell phones. They needed the nap. They retired from protecting settler gangs in the West Bank the previous week.

It was the 50th anniversary of the Yon Kippur War, so they were like, oh, there's no way they're going to do anything tonight. But, you know, I heard this term somewhere. I don't remember who said this. It's the invincible victim, right? Israel is both the boldest, most powerful vanguard of the West. It's a, it's a Valerian steel sword to pull from Game of Thrones again. It's a lion and everybody else is a mouse.

But also, they can't stop the settlers. How could they possibly stop the settlers? The settlers are just too powerful. They have to accompany the settlers. And also, Hamas is an existential threat. You know, like they're both invincible. But also we've already defeated them. Right, exactly.

Iran has been completely debilitated and mommy, they're hitting me. And we can't stop their cluster bombs anymore. Right. And cluster bombs, that's against international law. And Israel appealed to the United Nations this week for help and succor around the use of illegal cluster ammunition. The other thing is, I talk a lot about international law when I talk about this. It's one of the ways that I frame these conversations. It's partially due to the fact that one of our responsibilities is going on the mainstream

media and going on Capitol Hill. So I have to frame things through the place of international law. And I have to frame things through the place of my experience with violence, not because that's how I think about it, but that's because that's how I communicate with politicians and your average American. And the response I get from Zionists when I talk about international law isn't, no, we aren't violating international law. It's LOL international law doesn't work.

And I'm like, okay, to your credit, at least you're not bothering to act like you aren't violating it. You're just, you're trolling. And that's the thing that is the case with, especially Israeli settlers, also a lot of Zionists. I mean, look, I truly believe that a pretty tremendous amount of American Zionists simply don't actually know what they're supporting. They simply don't know what they believe. I've had a lot of conversations with people who identify as black and white completely different from me. And then I lay out my views. And they still call themselves Zionist, but there's nothing that they disagree with.

And I'm like, okay, then you're holding on to your ex-boyfriend's hoodie. But all this is to say... What they disagree with is that what they now know should make a difference in the future. So what I was saying was like, it's trolling. There's a lot of trolling. There's a lot of pulling off the hijabs of women and screaming the Arabic word for horror into their houses and, you know, building. But I was in a small village where they had erected an eight to 10 foot tall metal menorah directly outside the gate that was keeping the settlement and this land that had belonged to these people since 48 apart. And they like surround the town just right outside.

They surround it with Israeli flags. And it's like, that's not a form of security. That's not a form of protection. You are trolling and you think it's funny. And you're laughing at them. And they know exactly, yeah, they know exactly what they're doing. In fact, Jasper, Nathaniel, had some more tweets regarding that as well that I wanted to read. Bro, it's so funny.

It's so funny the way that I'm just like a less appealing and less well-read Jasper. I was on a date with a girl. and I think that I have so many skills of my own. I think we are all that. Hey, I'm not, I'm a, you don't have to explain. Everyone is less appealing, less smart jasper.

Yeah, I have a very positive image of myself in my head. I think I have plenty of weaknesses. I think I have a ton of strengths that are very special. But I mean, it's just like I was on a date Saturday with a girl who is like, she went to Jewish summer camp with me

and she actually slid into my idea. being like, hey, why is everybody at our Jewish summer camp like this? And I'm like, well, because, you know, they grew up in institutions like the camp that we both went to. Right. And we ended up hanging out. And I didn't realize until about midway through that it was a date, but it ended up being a date. And one of the first things she said to me within the first 10 to 15 minutes was, gee, isn't Jasper Nathaniel Hot. So.

The guy just lives to Mug. He's a mug monster. And Jasper is like, you know, he's like a big brother to me. It's the same with Hassan Piker. They both have this big brother feeling in my life. And both of them, like, at least half of my girlfriends have just explicitly said to me like, oh my God, I would love to fuck Hassan. And I'm just like, Jasper's a different story.

But with Hassan, what am I providing for you if that's what you're looking for? Because there are plenty of girls who love 5-10 twins. You're preaching to the fully cuckers. choir here. We've had them on our show several times. We're not even going to get into the ways that proximity to Jasper has wrecked absolute havoc on our libido, sex drives, love lives, self-concept, self-image. That's between us and our therapists. I said to Jasper, let's just move on.

I said to Jasper, my new niche on the dated market is we have Jasper Nathaniel at home. You know that meme? Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, Mom, can I get a blank and then a shittier version of the blank? blank at home. Yes. Timu, Timu, Jasper, Nathaniel. By the way, do you know how tall he is? I think he's 6'6. That's, like, the worst part of it.

Yeah, because I... That's the one thing you could have on it. So one thing I have is I'm 6'6. And I was like, I hate that. You know what? On record, he is no longer a friend of the pod. He is no longer friend of the pod. You heard it here first, folks. You heard of your friend of...

The pod. No longer. I spend a pretty, I spend the majority of my time with women, and I will say the height thing is not, like the dick-size thing, the height thing is way overstated. Yeah, no, for sure. Girls don't care about that much. And I also stand my short kings.

But just to finish up, what our arch nemesis, Jasper, said, is if you accept the settlers' claim that this was not an accident, but a car ramming attack, and to be clear, I've seen zero evidence of that, then it is exactly the outcome that. that settler leaders say they're looking for when they invade Palestinian land. Literally read the quotes. And this is from his most recent, I think he unpaywalled this article in his substack, which I encourage everyone to read. We'll link it in the show notes.

He says, Ured goes on, goes further than the language of preempted defense. Like most settlers, and much of the Israeli government, he believes Jews have an inherent right to the entirety of the West Bank or Judean Samaria. settler incursions into Palestinian communities, he says, are designed to provoke violence that can be met with overwhelming state force and eventual depopulation. Quote, without question, we are initiating friction,

he said, and we're proud of that. And I appreciate the honesty and the clarity about it. Let me read, speaking of Judean Samaria and fake Zionist outrage about it, let me read you a quote, a tweet from Naftali Bennett, who's the former,

isn't he the former prime minister? former something minister? Yeah, I think... Very high office, right? Or he was running. Yeah, he's the former pro minister and defense minister. Yeah, okay.

This is from his account. Quote, we did not establish a Jewish state so that violent gangs would operate within it. That's the first sentence, all right? Never mind the fact that violent gangs are what helped you establish.

You would not have been able to the entire estab. All the violent gangs, once the state was established, coalesced and deformed something called the Hagana, sorry, Zahal, the IDF. Like, that's what it is. We created the state specifically

so we could stop doing gang-related terrorism. That's exactly right. I strongly condemn any display of nationalist violence by extremist Jews in Judean Samaria. Stop, keep it down, guys. Stop displaying it. More than half a million Israelis live in Judean Samaria. Good, decent people, the backbone of the country.

Oh, I'm glad he admits that the settlers, the illegal, ipso facto settlers, every single Israeli living on the other side of that so-called green non-line is the backbone of the country. It's true. There is no separating the separate the, yeah. The vast majority reject violence and crime, precisely as someone who believes in our right to the land and in the communities there, we must announce the rioters and eradicate all violence from within our own ranks. This is yet another failure of governance by the government. Let the IDF and the police do their job. Soon we will return to lead Israel.

Beautiful. Slam. I love that truth for you. That's right. I love it. Yeah, and, you know, there's just this strain of liberal Zionism that we've been talking about, you know, throughout this podcast, but definitely throughout this episode as well, that clings on to the settlers as being the main thing wrong with Israel. And sort of, it's the one instance in which usually paid propagandists can step up. outside the lines and say, hey, you know, this is bad. Look at me criticizing Israel. And of course, a lot of the times it's done in bad faith. It's done almost as a, you know, it's as a way to clean their own slate and their own conscience. But what I, what is interesting about this particular case is you're seeing now more and more people saying, hey, liberal Zionists, you know, Batya or Emily Schrader, what are we doing here?

Let's, can we drop this facade of actually giving a shit about settler violence? And Daniel, you pointed me to this tweet by Lyle Leibovitz. Yeah. Daniel, do you want to read it? Sure. As so many people, including so many who ought to know much better, are falling for the, quote, very violent settlers storyline. Here's a very brief clarification on what's actually happened.

on the ground. Palestinians are constantly and violently provoking and attacking their Jewish neighbors. An 18-year-old young man named Yehuda Sherman was killed just this morning when a Palestinian driver deliberately ran him over. Palestinians are also constantly seizing lands illegally. Constantly. It's like their main thing, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Like what she means by that, or he, seizing lands illegally is when, soldiers come in the middle of the night to rip grandmothers and grandfathers away from the home they've lived in for a hundred years they seize the grip of you know the door jam to not be pulled away they're seizing their own yeah holding onto their own door by their fingernails that's exactly

right and on the rare occasion that israel's highly sympathetic courts bother enforcing the law and demanding that they leave they ignore the orders and grab away meanwhile a battery of human rights organizations paid for by the same deep-pocketed NGOs paying for all the progressive chaos worldwide, wow, are spinning out reports accusing Israel of unspeakable crimes, often marking Palestinian terrorists eliminated while murdering Jewish civilians as innocent victims of settler violence. This is, this is, this is, this is, virtuosic. This is virtuosic. Yeah. And thanks to a Biden administration appointed official, these reports are then copy-pasted word for word and presented as official American policy.

When Palestinians go on murderous sprees, no one registers a complaint. When PA and police officers blatantly violate the Oslo Accords, oh yeah, those sacrosanct Oslo Accords that you give a shit about, my favorite accords, you know. Yeah, it's all good. But when a Jew responds to constant attacks and provocations by rising up and defending themselves, everyone, including a large swath of American Jews, hurry to condemn them as dangerous lunatics. this kind of retardation doesn't work anymore.

Jews have every right to defend themselves from murderous Palestinian violence everywhere, but especially in their ancestral homeland of Judea and Samaria. Yeah. No notes. No notes. Truly like Olympic level psychopathy. I prefer it.

I prefer it to the sanctimony and the hypocrisy and the pretense, quite frankly, of giving us. Sure. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. It is really something to behold, especially when you, you know, know the facts on the ground, especially for you, Cameron, who's, you know, actually been there. You know, you saw with your own eyes the type of, you know, degradation and oppression that they live with. And it's seeing it completely inverted in this case is like it's shocking to see for, I think, us. I do think it is sort of normalized within most Zionist circles to just go, no, let's just say every time a Palestinian is claiming, oh, you know, they keep harassing us and then trying to kill us, we'll just say the opposite.

Another thing I noticed was that, you know, I expected two responses to people figuring out that I was Jewish when I was in Palestine. I expected wary mistrust because, you know, the Jewish star has been used as this swastika-esque logo of just murdering them, which is an even bigger shame because from an aesthetic standpoint, the star of David and the swastika are two of the best-looking logos of all time. You're right, actually. And Hitler, fascism is not great.

Hitler obviously stole the swastika from India. That's right. And so it's a fascist. That's why I say the AIs. Didn't he turn it backwards, though? Is he around the side or something? You put it at an angle. It's too bad you can't do that with the six.

It's too bad the six-pointed star is so fucking symmetrical. Yeah. No, but that's why it's, it's really a phenomenal logo, and it's such a shame that it's been associated with Israel, because, like, I would wear a star of David necklace if it wasn't on the Israeli flag, not even because I care about religion, which I really don't,

but because it's just a great-looking thing. It's a cool-looking star. Yeah. I also like the seven-pointed star from Game of Thrones, but as you can tell, I'm a big fan. Anyway, I was going to say... It's my favorite book, the seven-pointed star. It's my favorite religious text, you know?

Yeah. Every, I would say, I expected a lot of wary mistrust. I never feared for my safety with housing to the West Bank. I mean, I feared for my safety with settlers, and I had some interactions that I, interactions is what they call it when settlers kill people, but I had some interactions that I'm not going to talk about that are private, but they're very scary. And then I expected, like, solidarity, like, hell yeah, you know, one of you guys with us that's so great. I did not expect option three, which ended up being pretty much across the board,

the response, which is nobody fucking cares. Nobody fucking cares. They think it's boring. They've been around Jewish activists their entire lives. And the Palestinians that I spoke to, a lot of them spoke English and a lot of it. They have a more nuanced perspective on the difference between Zionism. I'm just imagining you walking around the West Bank and being like, I just want to say that as a progressive anti-Zionist Jew and Palestinians just come equipped with like a printout of that meme with the person like giving a sort of sarcastic thumbs up like this and going back and just throwing it in your face and then going back to their daily business.

Exactly. No, I was just like, you know, they were just talking to me about Zionism and Judaism and they were just giving this more nuanced, including people who have had access to just a negligible amount of educational resources in their entire lives. They're just giving this more nuanced perspective on the matter than like New York Times columnists with three PhDs. And I was like, oh, this is what I was saying about how being an anti-Zionist Jew does not put you out 100 intelligence.

It brings you back up to the pH level seven. Yeah. And I have another thing about it, which is like, I think some anti-Zionist Jews that center their Judaism from a religious perspective, I think that a lot of them make some very good points and I obviously think that Zionism is this very hypocritical thing. It's extremely Christian. The Nuffba is extremely Christian. Settler colonialism is extremely Christian behavior. Like Zionism, if you told me it was a Christian sciop, I would totally believe you. We were expelled from Christian Europe. The rise of Arab nationalism happened because of Western intervention, which is just

Christian Europe. Jews were saved for under the Ottoman Empire, the Christian Europe. I really think that the Christians are kind of the puppeteers here, the way that people say the Jews are, but that's another conversation. But I think... Makes for a worst cartoon. Like someone with a really cute button nose and blonde hair pulling the strings doesn't work as well as a hawk nose octopus like us. Some guy who looks like Steve Rogers.

Right. But I think that the centering of Judaism in it is just something that I don't really do, first of all, because I don't, like, I happened to enjoy the Purim spiel at Hebrew school. I've happened to think that was very fun because I liked theater. and I like curb your enthusiasm and stuff like that. But from a religious standpoint, I think that centering your Judaism in it is kind of just doing what Zionism does, which is using ancient scripture to determine your foreign policy stances. So I'm kind of like, it's like, yes, being anti-genocide is the Jewish principle, totally, totally.

But also, like, the whole point is that citing ancient scripture, And it's not worth talking to a lot of people about the fact that the archaeological evidence that were the indigenous people to that land is questionable at best. Like, it's not even worth it. Just being like, citing these fucking ancient texts as your proof is so stupid. So when I talk about these matters, I, the only time I really talk about being Jewish in this context is when people talk to me about anti-Semitism because I was a Jewish person on CNN telling America that I was coming for their fucking guns. and that is that gives the anti-Semites that's the dream situation

for the conspiracy theories and my father and my grandfather were adoption lawyers which to anti-Semites is human traffickers so anti-Semites docks to me

they followed me back to my car from my office they found my home address they sent me things to my house they swatted my family and my little sister was home when a SWAT team broke in she could have been killed

when you Like, I have experienced more anti-Semitism than you and your entire family put together will in your entire lives. And I'm fucking glad because you shouldn't have to deal with what I've dealt with. It's terrifying. So shut the fuck up. When I am talking about kids getting killed in Lebanon and you're saying, okay, but what about the would-be attack on the synagogue? Okay. As the American taxpayer, I funded the gazillion cops that went to apprehend the attacker at the synagogue.

As an American taxpayer, I am funding the bombs that are being used all over the Middle East region. So no, I am not going to earn my right to talk about Palestinians and Arabs dying, but also talking about what the Jewish people are experiencing, because it's not even close to the same thing. And the fact that you're acting like, I get all these comments and DMs from people. Like, I rarely ever hear you talking about a Semitism. I'm like, okay, well, I'm talking about something that is a deadlier and bigger problem. right now. I have experienced anti-Semitism. I understand the horrors of anti-Semitism. I don't have to

earn my right to talk about Palestinians by also talking about Israelis and American Jews. That is a completely unfair equivalence to draw, and it is harmful to the conversation. It's just really disappointed to hear someone young and promising like you with so much potential, just squandering all this supremacist currency. I mean, you really, you really, could have been a contender for, you know, a major leader in our, in mainstream Jewish institutions, but you seem to be refusing the, I mean, it's on a silver, on a silver gobladed platter for you there, but you don't want it. If I, if I was a Hasburist, I would be so fucking successful. I would be raking in money. I'm more well-spoken and compelling than any of the Hasburists in my generation

fucking, what's his name, the Penn, you Penn Kid. Yeah, yeah, A-L. And, he's, and, he's, Yeah, right, of course. The thing is, I'm an LA 6, a New York 7, and a politics 1,000. That's right. So, like, that's why I generally see. And a Jewish 8. A Jewish 8. You could call it that.

Well, there's some people where being Jewish makes you less attractive to them. And there's other people who just fetishize it so hard. And that's always fun. I mean, look, it's done some amazing things for me. I'll just say. Is there a phylo-Semitic dating app I can get on? Yeah, it's called J-Date. I can't go on dating apps because people will, like, post screenshots of my profile and stuff.

It's happened to people I know in the space. And also, when I was afflicted with the gay disease, I was on the gay dating app Grindr. I was on the gay dating app Grindr. It's a safe space, Cameron. You can talk about it. I showed face, which you don't have to do on Grindr. You could just post body picks. I showed face.

And I, instead of going by Cameron or my common nickname Cam, I decided to use the other half of my name and go by Ron. And I got multiple messages that were like, do you understand how fucked up it is to impersonate one of the Parkland kids on Grindr? I was like, no, it's me. It's me, guys. It's me. I love that. So I just, I just, and Grinders too, it's.

It's too easy. Like, it's just like Uber Eats for sex. And I, and again, it's just, when you've experienced men and women, it's just like, how on earth could you not choose women? So, but anyway, I was just going to say, I would do really well as a Hasburist. I'd be making a lot of money. I'd be able to talk about Parkland a lot and talk about, because genuinely, like, my response after October 7th, I was already critical of Israel at the time.

But I had a very, very anti-Hamas response to October 7th. And I had a sort of pro-Israel response because in many ways, October 7th felt to me like proof that I was actually wrong for having been openly critical of Israel. October 7th felt like the vindication of the Zionist argument. Well, I can imagine that because in terms of what you have the basis, experiential basis to empathize with, what October 7th was for many Israelis and for many Jews who identify with Israel was a tranquil, you know, easy-go-go-go-execis to. going reality, insulated, sheltered, rightly so, because we're good people, shattered by

brigands and vandals who are at the door, and they're busting down the door of our reality, and how dare they, and how could they, and why would they? And you know what? This is a bad Hasbro exclusive. I've never talked about this before. I've talked with Hassan's stream about hours, for hours about Israel. I've talked with a lot of people for a long time about this. I've never brought this up because I just, you know, I try to be very tactful with

my victimization of myself. So I try not to do it too often. But, you know, the videos that I saw from the October 7th attacks, you know, obviously I was going to believe a lot of the atrocities that were completely fabricated because I witnessed a lot of atrocities that were real. And that immediately, that brought me back to Parkland in a way that I hadn't been in five years at the time because those videos that I saw, I, I, I saw the footage.

I also watched the footage from my school. It's just, it's morbid curiosity. It's a very human thing. They reminded me of what happened in my school. So I had a very traumatized response to it that was very much informed. And it led me to make some very regrettable comments publicly about Hamas and about Palestinian, more about Hamas and more. But again, I barely even recognized what Hamas was or what causes things like that, what

inspires people to support something like doing revolutionary things. So I had this public response that drew a lot of criticism, rightfully so. And I actually spent pretty much the entire month of October back in Parkland with my family, almost never leaving my bed. I was so fucked up from October 7th that I was like, I felt my vision was being affected. Every time I was having dinner, I asked my parents to turn the lights down. Because like it was and I and I, this is a fun podcast.

We could talk about fun. I did, I like pretty much did not jerk off once. Which, you know, that's insane. There are some, there's some sperm retention in cells who will say that that's a good thing. But I just like I did not. I never, I barely left my room. You were traumatized. You had been re-traumatized.

by these videos, which by the way, there was also the point of that, Hasbara was to traumatize people into all being in lockstep with whatever Israel was about to do next. And I said that to my Zionist friend at dinner last weekend. She was talking to me about some of the more inflammatory comments that I've made. And she was just very much just asking questions, very much wanted to get a better understanding and was coming to me from good faith. And she was talking about how she's afraid. And I said, I would be too.

But you understand, that's on purpose. Like, they want you to be afraid. Your fear is what powers what they do. That's so interesting because, you know, Naomi Klein talked on this podcast about the idea of prosthetic trauma. I have your book right there. I have doppelganger, right?

Doppeganger, great book. So we had her on last year sometime talking about this notion that and that Zionists full well have understood for decades in terms of educating kids, you have to implant in them the memory of things that didn't actually happen to them. Maybe some things that didn't even happen, period, as in some of the fabrications of October 7th, but at the very least, implanting in people a very visceral nervous system trauma response to things that are not happening.

Right. Right. In order to shield them and shut them down and dissociate them for things that are happening. And you're this perfect test case of someone who had already in you the seeds of those reactions, which could, and for a moment, understandably, were grafted on to this new stimulus to get your old response. It's not prosthetic. It's not prosthetic in your case. It's just kind of a slight, it's a transposition of the original, you know.

So you would have been primed to become someone who then and forevermore, would never let go of that association. And I've called, I've pointed out that one of the dynamics about Jewish Zionism is a refusal to heal from trauma. And you clearly were like, no, I'm not staying in that place. That's hell and that's false. What is that process of waking up out of that? I just had a diverse group of friends,

which meant that there were going to be people who had anti-ist reprospectives. And I think, you know, I know a lot of Zionist kids. Most of my friends from college were in the Jewish Theological Seminary at Columbia. Because I was at the School of General Studies, so I didn't have the same orientation as the Columbia College kids, but the Jewish Theological Seminary kids, they were the only other 18-year-olds at my orientation. So naturally they became my primary friend group. And some of them just don't talk to me anymore. Some of them talk to me and don't tell the other ones that they still talk to me because while they are pro-Israel Zionists, they are adult enough to recognize that I mean no harm.

to them. But I, you know, a lot of, I know a lot of Zionists who are actors in Hollywood. I know a lot of Zionists and talk to a lot of Zionists. And a lot of them in New York, in the theater world, when they started to see people around them, start saying anti-Israel shit, especially as soon as on October 8th and things like that, they immediately said, oh, you are no true. friend of mine. And I, and I get it. I get it. I really do. But I was fortunate enough to have people in my life who were more patient with me than I necessarily deserved. And their patience that they were kind enough to grant me gave me that sense of trust

in them that allowed me to hear them out and be exposed to education. materials and information that were simply just not ever put in front of me in my life. And that's why I very often urge people, you know, from a place of obviously so much privilege. I do urge people to keep calm and stay measured because no matter who you are, the greater Zionist world, including myself when this was generally in function, my worldview, they want to characterize the pro-Palestine people, the anti-occupation people, as unhinged, emotional, and out of control. And that is why I temper myself very much on television. That is why I keep a very level tone when I am talking to people about this,

is even if I can't change somebody's mind, the reason I piss so many Zionists off is because they, when they talk to me about it, they don't get to say that I'm some kids. kid who the hot girl in my poetry 201 class at Columbia went to the encampment. So I went there to hopefully get with her and immediately started saying pro-Hamas talking points because that was the trendy thing right now. No, I will talk to them about what Israeli parliamentarians are saying. I will talk to them about historical documents. I'll talk to them about the way that this government operates.

And I'll say things that they don't understand. Most scientists right now, including scientists who are incredibly intelligent people, couldn't fucking tell you who Smutrich is. And then you tell them who Smotritch is and they are outraged. And I'm like, guess what? Smotrich is not happening in spite of the Israeli project. Smotrich is the direct result of the Israeli project. And it's just tough because it's such a, it's a worldview that is so ideologically abhoring.

But also it was my worldview. And I have to go in a second, but I'll just, I'll end with this. like the one of the most classic stories in literature and in in fables and is game of Thrones it's in it's part of Game of Thrones I mean game of Thrones it's so sprawling that it has so many themes at once yeah every every character story has different themes but there's a lot of stories where this is the theme um breaking bad is another example can a man change. And a lot of people will just give you a very immediate response. A lot of people say, of course. A lot of people will say no. You know, there's the story of the scorpion and the toad,

or the frog, depending on who you ask. The scorpion wants to cross the stream. It goes to the toad and say, hey, can I ride your back to cross the stream? The toad says, how do I know you won't sting me? And the scorpion says, well, if I sting you, then both of us are going to sink. So the toad says, fair enough, the scorpion hops on its back, and midway through the stream, the scorpion stings the toad. And as they begin to sink, the toad says, why did you do that? Now both of us are going to die. And the scorpion says, because I'm Jewish.

The scorpion says, I'm sorry, it's in my nature. So a lot of people, when they're talking to someone, and this obviously extends beyond the sinus conversation, but they believe it is in somebody's nature to think certain things. things. They think if all of these children and men and women in Gaza have been killed, then there's no coming back from that. And I simply cannot believe that. I cannot give up to that because I am of the belief that anybody can change. They just have to be open to it. Yes. Yeah. Thanks for having me, guys. We should all be the scorpion saying, sorry, it's in my nurture. That's right. That's right. Cameron, thanks so much, gang. Really, really great to have.

have you. Where can people find you and follow you on in social media? They don't need to do that. Thanks so much, guys. Much love. Keep the touch. All right. Take care. Peace, Cameron. See you. So that was Cameron Caskey. Really wonderful having him. We got him longer than we thought we were going to have him. So that, that is, that's awesome. It also meant that we never took a break. So let's do that now. Everyone, stick around. There is more show to be had. after these brief messages, hopefully not from the CIA. Don't join the CIA.

We'll be right back. And we're back. It's badass barrow. World's Most Moral podcast. Just me and Daniel left. We said bye-bye to Cam Ran. I made sure to make my bed for this part because the person who makes our social media clips

decided in the last one to like feature me in wide shot for part of it. and I was mortified because that was on a day when my room was looking, especially what's the word? Just unmade. Unmade. It's okay to be unmade. Listen, you try doing a podcast, commenters who always want to say our beds are not made. It's hard.

You try working from home and having lots of time to clean up. That's right. It's harder to do it when you have so much time. Exactly. Um, Cameron was great, wasn't he? I'm really glad we had him on. I'm impressed with that young man and not just because he pegged me for younger than I am. Right. And not just because he might peg you if you ask nicely. Well, it sounds like he's, sounds like he's mostly over that. But I, that's the kind of thing that makes me want to, you know, swing that way.

Because I want to prove him wrong. I want to be the guy like, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Like, I like a challenge. I'm not generally attracted to men, but if a man says, I used to be with a guy. I used to be with. with men and now I'm off it. So you want to convert, just to be clear, you want to convert yourself so that you can convert him back. That's right. I love that for you. And it's kind of like Zionism.

I can get automatic citizenship for as long as I want. That's true. And then move back, but still enjoy all of the benefits. All of the benefits, all of the privileges of being both trade and gay at the same time. I'm pretty sure that's how it works, right? Bisexuals. Shout out in the comment. Sound off in the comments.

He's a cut. No, no, no, no. Sound off in the comments if you feel like the discourse about you on this episode has been good. Has been good and honored the complexity and truth of who you are. Oh, God. We're definitely going to get some people who are mad just so you know, always joking, always having fun, love and respect to all. Everybody loves you when you're by. That's right.

That's how it works. Let's keep it going. So we still have a little bit more to get through. And I wanted to segue from our last conversation topic. So we were talking about these pogroms that were happening. And I was like looking at all these tweets from people who were talking about it that I was surprised by. You know, people like Emily Schrader, people like Batya. There were, you know, a bunch of these people who are our foils on this podcast who were saying something.

And then I saw one that really like blo. my mind because I was like, really? And I'll read it to you right now. It said, Melanie Phillips said this. And just real quick, for people who don't remember who Melanie Phillips is, we talked about her once before, probably more than once before on the show. She's the one who said this recently. My view, the Palestine calls is a form of holy war, Islamic holy war.

and there is a Trojan horse for the Islamization of the West. The West no longer has the will to defend itself because it no longer knows what that means. So zooming in on, she's standing at a podium that says, rage against the hate, which she's currently doing.

Yeah, so Melanie Phillips is, you know, a famous British psychopath into Muslim, Islamophobic piece of shit. And she wrote, this is pre-Pagrom territory. It demands unequivocal denunciation and emergency measures from Starmer. Good for her. Instead, as he presides over unprecedented anti-Jewish derangement, he is handing his country over to

Islamist supremacists who incite against Israel, whose incitement against Israel, he echoes. So this is where I got really confused. I confused, Matt. because I was like, wait, so what are your thoughts about this? Then I realized, guys, she's not talking about what was happening in the West Bank on the day she tweeted that. The pogrom. No, she was talking about this. There is a story of a artist in England in the Sunny Old Land of England, who had an art show that has barred Zoe Strimple.

Great name. Strimple sounds like it comes from the same language family, the same etymology as Strumpet or something like that. Yeah. Like a Shakespearean term for a woman of ill repute. A Strimple is like a really slutty pimple. It's like, oh, why did you get that on your minge? So there was an art show.

Some of you may have scenes impressed about this in which Zoe Strimple went to was an anti-genocide art gallery show in which she accidentally ended up at. She just on accident, absolutely. And I just want to read you her tweet and show you the drawings that she has been screaming about. In Margate. All right, so Margate's a place. Me cheeks are red, yeah, I'm shaking. I popped into the exhibition that turned out to be the insane fever dream of an artist called Matthew Collins, drawings against genocide. Drawings. Drawings. That's right. Drawings against genocide.

Remember Mike Myers, Simon, on SNL? Oh, yeah. I like to do drawings. Drawings. The exhibition is described as drawings, raising consciousness about hell or L. Israel is the pure encapsulation of it. Zionism is the terrorist state's ruling ideology, close quote. shocked by this use of Nazi imagery. The room is full of the Star of David pasted around,

figures meant to be Israelis and the Jewish lobby spewing blood. To say nothing of blonde yummy mummy-mommies wearing globalised the interfaith shirts. Yummy mummies, yeah? Blonde yummy-mammies. Pitched up for the same spurry, isn't it? Oh my God. Yeah. Yummy mommies and their tasty pasties.

Oh, they got tasty pasties, yummy mommies. Oh, God. That's just great. To say nothing in the blonde yummy mommies wearing globalized in the father's shirts. I spoke to the artist to share me reaction as a Jewish person. It continues. What was the artist's name again?

Matthew Collins. Collins. Okay. Yeah. He was instantly aggressive, yeah? As soon as I started to say, I was shocked and threatened by what I was saying because it was Nazi imagery, yeah, I started yelling at me that I didn't mean anything I was saying.

Anytime I tried to speak calmly, she writes in parenthetical, he said, you don't mean any of what you said. You're just repeating Hasbara talking points because you're defending a genocide. on and on he yelled in my face. I said, quote, if I was a black person, but I couldn't finish the sentence. Because he said,

you're not, are you? Which, beautiful. I love, I love stopping, stopping that shit, nipping it in the bud right there.

And you don't mean any of what you're saying. I mean, you don't mean any of what you're saying. You came there specifically for this. Yeah, and this is the strategy. deployed very effectively and people might be tired of me

are us referring to this but Tucker Carlson put a display on of this exact kind of approach to a Hasbarist British twit also stupidly named what's that woman name? That woman's name is Zanny Minton Beddows

I don't think we have the clip but she's the chief The editor is cheap of the economist Zanny Minton Beddows Minton Bedfellows where he was just just like, what are you talking about? You don't mean that.

Everyone knows what I'm talking about when she's like, I don't know what you're saying, Tucker. And the incredulity and the unwillingness to let the Hasbara talking point finish is a perfect approach. That's right. And it drove her crazy. Look at her. It drove her crazy.

It drove if I was a black person. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because people know, okay, you're going to go on to some fucking bullshit. And it's like, no one is interested in you. I mean, number one, spouting off talking points that you've memorized. but number two, comparing yourself in this way. I'm not interested. If that's how you start off your argument, I want nothing to do with it.

It is just so disingenuous because, as the person said, you're not all you, in it. And she continues. On the Nazi ideology point, he said, yeah, why do you think it's there? Israel or the Nazis? His breath was disgusting. The crowd began booing and closing in. around me here, making to shoe me out in it.

I said, fine, get the Jew out. And he yelled. So she said the most explicitly Nazi thing. Right. In the entire place. She yelled the thing that she wanted everyone to yell. And

he yelled more across the room at me, quote, repeatedly jeering, call the police. Go ahead. Call the police. I said I would. and the community security trust, which features as a devil in his exhibition. He's calling the police a devil, isn't it?

This was met with even more during, yeah, called the CST, was the last thing I heard before leaving, yeah. Someone snapped pictures of me while I was being shouted at. Short videos show the artist, the longer video of our final almost, Surreely Disgusting Exchange didn't record. So basically... What's the final almost serreely disgusting exchange?

Everything else. That was the moment where I pried his jaws open, stuck my head down his gullet. And said, ooh, he smells in here. Oh, you're best of stinking. It was out of a Hieronymish Bosch painting. Serreely disgusting. Yeah, so what she's saying, so there is a short video in which it's just like five seconds of her like shaky cam like trying to point it at the artist while everyone's like can you

get can you get out of here it's not very long then she's saying the longer video uh of our final almost serially discussing exchange which is everything she just described in this tweet didn't record to be clear then it's not a video the idea that you're like there's a longer video of this that doesn't exist because i didn't make it is not a sentence that makes any sense that makes any sense, but, you know, it's a lot of everything she's described verbatim in this tweet was recorded. It's fantastic. No, and I believe it. I already.

And for Melanie Phillips to say this is pre, excuse me, pre pogrom territory on a day when there's actual pogroms happening in the West Bank, sorry, Judean Samaria, is crazy. Like, as if like Crystal Noct happened when a bunch of German Nazis got fed up with Jews crashing their wine and cheeses at art openings and installations. And we're like, Jew, you're getting out of my nerves. You're getting on my nerves. Get out of here.

And they threw them out a little too forcefully. Right. Yes. Yeah. It's just crazy. And of course, in her tweets, she shows some of the pictures she took of the art, which of course we're going to show to you right now.

If you were listening, we'll try our best to describe it. But it is, you know, they're drawings. What can I say? They're drawings. I mean, I couldn't do better. I'm not an artist. No, I don't think either of us could draw or these things. Yeah.

But here's a few of them. So we see the one that's getting the most play is this almost like, I don't know what you call. It's a drawing. It looks like a child's drawing. Maybe that's the point. Of an IDF soldier smiling, sun at his back, and he has put his foot over a skull. And there's also a start of David. under him.

What kind of sick imagination could even come up with the image of an Israeli soldier with their foot? Oh, no. Oh, right. Oops. Yeah. So it turns out this is an image that was actually taken in Gaza. There is a picture side by side of this actually happening, an Israeli soldier who is in this

picture in real life actually foot on the skull, on top of the skull. Whereas this drawing is just his foot is over the skull. I mean, I love starting, that's the leading example everyone has. It's like, can you believe this anti-Semitism? It's like, guys, if that's anti-Semitism, maybe you should ask your soldiers to stop doing anti-Semitic memes. Well, but he changed some things, you know. Yeah, that's true.

You can't tell him he's smiling or not. The blood that he's standing on looks like it hasn't even had time to seep into the, That's right. Demolished rubble that he's standing on in the painting. I mean, in the actual photo, it's not blood soaked, you know, not literally. No. It's just rubble and sand and a human fucking skull with his literal jack boot on while he is holding a fucking machine gun. Decorum.

Yeah, decorum, you know. And then there's more, of course, you know, this is a picture of like the eye. IDF with the Star of David and blood and skulls, you know, and she's showing this. She's showing, you know, different pictures that he had drawn. Now, just to give you some background into Zoe Strimple, in April of 2024, she wrote this article for The Telegraph. As the mob high and low rages and organizes against Israel's, quote, genocide, my column says, quote, the Israel defense forces are the most

moral soldiers in the world. This woman needs their own substack and call it strimple-minded. That's right. Oh, shit. That was great. She is pretty shimple-minded. So she wrote that for the telegraph.

I found more stuff that she's written and it's all great. For the telegraph, she also wrote, museum shops should not be promoting the audacious lie that Israel is committing a genocide, subheading the woke agenda is infecting places that should be for learning, not propaganda. And right under that is an article that she wrote for the Jewish Chronicle that says, I lost me temper over Kofia in North London. That's the vastly underappreciated remix to I left my wallet and El Segundo.

That's right. That's right. I lost my temper over Kofia, North London. Yeah, or I left my heart in San Francisco, you know. It's like I left my hate in a North London store. I should have stayed calm, but that's difficult if you see things for what they really are. So that's, of course, a three-minute read that she does about. Are you sure that's not a donut? Yeah, I mean, look, at this point, there's a picture on the screen where it's like, is that a kaffia, is it a donut? It doesn't matter what it is.

The point is, is that she lost her temper, and she's very sad about that. We have the clip of her rolling her eyes on that new show. When a Palestinian or an Arab... Oh, God. Really? English... I think a British citizen is talking about the amount of hate and discrimination against Palestinians. And people have framed it as if she's rolling her eyes at the notion of Palestinians, because he mentions a lot of things that Israel's and genocidal things Israel's doing.

She rolls her eyes particularly when she talks about Palestinians being silenced in England. And she's like, there are 300,000 people at your marches. How are you possibly being silenced? I love that. But it makes for a really good, but it makes for a very good screenshot. Her eye roll game is. Yeah. I mean, she really milks it.

Yeah, yeah. Just to continue on with some of this other shit, I mean, there was, truly, there was a nice coordinated attempt, almost like pre-planned sort of attempt to kind of make this a story. Unfortunately, you know, the main story was what was happening in the West Bank and the actual pogroms that were taking place. You know, in the ones that these people all support, you know, whether explicitly or implicitly. But yeah, this is just a few of these fucking propagandists talking about story trying to make it a thing. This is Jake Wallace Simmons, who is, you know, this is a psychopath we've talked about. He wrote, so you can be locked up for 31 months for being nasty about migrants. But this Nazi-grade anti-Semitism is suddenly free speech. Britain is done. I love just adding, like, so wait a second. All of a sudden, I'm going to jail because I keep tweeting out the addresses of migrants that I want killed.

But you can do like a drawing of the IDF doing something they did in real life and suffer no consequences. This world is unfair. Mike Tapp, who is an MP, wrote, not only is this anti-Semitic and completely unacceptable, the art is utter garbage. And to me, that's a, I love just being like, also it sucks. Because as if it was drawn well enough, then he'd be like, well, you have to admit it was pretty good. Like, say what you will about Hitler.

Some of those buildings he drew were really nice, you know? Yeah, yeah. Mike Tap has long been a critic of the university admissions policies of art schools in Austria or Germany or wherever it was back in the 20s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike tap. I just did it. Mike tap. I just did a mic tap for everyone out there.

Clompy wrote stuff. This is Aviva Klompis commenting on a telegraph article. Why is anti-Semitic in quotes at Telegraph? This is one of the oldest and most grotesque blood libels. There's nothing ambiguous about it. This is apparently there was a drawing showing Jewish people eating babies. And that's what she is referring. to. I didn't see any pictures of any Jews eating babies. There is a picture of a, well, of a person

eating a baby and then kind of like you see different paintings in the background, like different artist names like Frida Kahlo and stuff like Picasso. And I was like, what is this fucking painting? The drawing was of these people who are run auction houses, art auction houses. And it was a statement on that, but it showed them eating babies. And apparently they are also Jewish. And so the connection... How do you know they're Jewish? Because they're eating babies. Are they eating babies? That's how you know. Yes. So Zoe

did do a little bit of an update, which I of course need to read a little bit of it. Update on the David Collings exhibit at Margates, Joseph Weyuz, Galleries. So it's apparently it's David Collings, not Matthew Collins. So that's an important... Sorry to all the Matthew Collins out there. We're like, not me.

Me never drew like that. Kent Police, Sergeant, just called. He told me no action to be taken. The pictures, a few below, are in his view, quote, criticism of the Israeli state. He said, because some Israelis happen to be Jews, it doesn't mean it's anti-Semitic. He said, you're all-

Is a joke. I know. This is what they meant. This is what they meant. That's what public enemy was talking about. I called 911 a long time ago. Would you believe how late they're reacting? They never come.

And when they come, they tell me that it was just criticism of the Israeli state. And I'm overreacting. And I'm overreacting. Yeah. But yeah, no, it is like, it's great the way in which she's being told by a cop who's just like, well, all of the soldiers are IDF soldiers.

It says IDF. There's an Israeli flag on it. I can't really. see how that's anti-Semitic, which is not usually the care. A lot of people will just be like, you're right, that is anti-Semitic. But he said, you're obviously very passionate, which she parenthetically says, thereby dismissing my complaint. I tried to tell him that he was perhaps not best judged to evaluate anti-Semitic content

if his view was that this was not Nazi imagery, but criticism of the Israeli state. And could he possibly send someone who knew more about this stuff? Excuse me, police officers. Can you send someone who's like more on my side about this, yeah? Someone who understands that this is illegal, maybe? Yeah.

Can you? Could you please? This is not the pandering I ordered. Yes. Please send it back. And he wrote, or he said, quote, no police officer is an expert in racism he told me now that's not true but not in the not in the way he means not not in the right exactly maybe he's never been to america that's right

he's like oh man it like expert i don't know but certainly deputized to do racism uh i gave me oddly yeah he told me oddly i love that like is that really that odd to you yeah could you Could you send me, I don't know, one of the staff writers for the Jewish Chronicle, but with a gun and a badge? I gave him some friendly, if passionate advice, colon. Sometimes criticism of the Israeli state overlaps with anti-Semitic content and incitement. This is one such case. I'll be complaining. Please join in.

Case 210938. I always wanted to believe the best of the police agents of us. She spelled it polite agents of the law. The polite agents of the law on the other end of the phone. But this well-spoken man, uh-oh, well-spoken man, I have a feeling that this is a man of color.

White people don't just say well-spoken. Well-spoken, yeah. Unless. But this well-spoken man telling me that hail of swastikas and blood and Jews was nothing but criticism of Israeli, of the Israel state, is why we are where we are.

Why Jews don't expect anything from the police and how we find that the Kent police are exactly in tune with Matthew Collings. Again, we've changed the name. Yeah, yeah, David Collings, Matthew Collings, Matthew Collins, Judy Who, Judy Wu, Judy Wong, Charlie fucking Chan. Why can this guy, why can't Zoe Shrimple remember the name of the party? This is the same tweet.

And in her last sentence, she did a typo on the, so T-H-A. So it does look like fuck the police. Yeah, yeah. Find the Kent police coming straight from the London Underground. A young Jew got it bad when she talks to Brown. Yeah. All right, we're doing our best. We're doing our best here, guys. We're doing parody songs on the go, off top.

And then, of course, she has a few more pictures. It looks like Netanyahu, vomiting blood. this is a person holding up a Palestinian flag this says yes and there's a no next to it I don't know. Again with the same image she posted it twice can't remember the name of the artist also posted the art twice

and then one that is just a devil vomiting blood it says demon and it says stop apartheid at that point I'm like look if you're looking at a drawing of a demon vomiting blood and it says stop apartheid and you said, uh,

is this about me? Maybe you're giving away the game a little bit. A little tiny bit. So yeah, man, like I, I'm so glad that this happened when it happened. You know,

this is a totally unplanned, unforced error where their little, you know, Hasbara fucking op that they were going to do anyways. You set out, you, you,

as Zoe Strimple set out to go to this guy's, you know, opening, his exhibit, knowing it was anti-genocide, knowing it was going to call out Israeli apartheid and Israeli genocide. And you went to get mad. And you just, it's unfortunate because it happened at a time when everyone's watching the West Bank do literal pogroms. And it happened with the most elegant strimplicity. That's right. Right. My favorite artist is

Striple Mines. I don't be listening. We should have added that to the playlist. We'll do that for the next. I have Stimple Minds album. You do have Strimple Mines. Yeah, I do have Strimple Mines. And yeah, so shout out to

either Matthew Collings, Matthew Collins, or, what was it, David? David Collings. Whomever this artist was, good shit, come on the podcast. We would love to showcase more of your art. Yeah. Yeah.

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