Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 194: Fat Katz's, with Mary Houlihan

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

194: Fat Katz's with Mary HoulihanMatt and Daniel are joined by comedian and writer Mary Houlihan to talk through who gets a pass to say repugnant garbage on TV, the correct condiments for a trayf Pesach meal, and Jake Tapper, at your chamber door with dual-use swears.Please donate to Children in Conflict: https://www.childreninconflict.org/The Mary Houlihan Show: https://www.youtube.com/@maryhoulieNew Bad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Welcome to Bad Hasbara. He's starting the podcast, telling the listeners to die. Then you finish that Hebrew word from Passover. Hi, everyone. It's the world's most moral podcast. That's right. I am Matt Lebe. I will be your most, I was going to say mayoral, but most moral podcast hosts for this podcast.

And I'm Daniel Mate, and I'll be your most mororal. Oh, fuck. God damn it. See, this is, you know, when we don't coordinate, I always miss out on something genius that you're going to say. I had a crazy dream last night, speaking of Maror and Passover things. Was this about the Taylor Motel-Kams oil? No. Okay.

What? Who is this? Who is that? Mazel to. We love a little fiddler humor on this podcast, everyone. No, what was your dream? I've dream that was at my family's Passover. and you were there, of all people.

Wow. And your wife and kid might have been there, too. Oh, my Lord. And you were just towering over me. But not just, like, in terms of stature, like, the entire family was just starstruck. And they were like, see, Daniel, here's a real professional artist. Like, look at this comedian.

And you were killing everything you said was hilarious. And I just couldn't compete, you know. I mean, listen, I have that effect. I woke up in an unleavened sweat. I have that effect on people. I have that effect on their family. I call it the What About Bob effect, where I just really endear myself to my friend's families,

to the point that the friend starts to resent and hate me. And then eventually I take over the family and I marry the sister. You know how it goes. It's a great movie, What About Bob? If you haven't seen it. been a long time since I saw it. Yeah. Shout out to producer Adam Levin, who says with me, it's more of a The Ref Effect, which is another great movie, similar era.

But in all seriousness, it was great having you guys. Yes. So we did Passover Seder together, Daniel and I and my wife and my child and his family. Right now, you're currently still in Vancouver. I am. And you are using, I think, your... family setup there. It looks like you're on an iMac. You're using

that Yeti mic, which sounds good enough. Yeah. Good enough. It's not my Brooklyn place. This is Matte Manor. I'm in my dad's usual spot. Yeah. But it'll do, you know, it'll do pig. Yeah. It'll do biggies. That'll do piggys. That'll do it. Shout out to our producer, Adam Levin on the Ones and 2.

Subscribe on YouTube and all the podcast apps. And also, shout out to everyone who came out to see Bad As Bar Alive over at Chill X Studio in Vancouver. Super fun show. We really loved it there. I mean, it is such a, it's a beautiful town. I love Vancouver and we had a really fun time. People seem to enjoy themselves. We talked about all sorts of manner of things. Jesse Brown included. We even wrote a new parody song that at some day, at some point we'll do this for

for everybody on the regular feed. But the next time he gives a reason to cover him, we'll do a performance of it. I have a feeling that he'll give us a reason very soon. He's reliable. He's very reliable. You really can rely on him to make

something about himself at any moment on any week. Most recently he was very pleased to report that three British Pakistani people were arrested for the firebombing of those ambulances. Which proves that it was not a false flag.

That's right. That's right. Yeah. There's one thing that proves that it's the cops. The cops are really good at proving. The men of those cuffs go on. The uncertainty comes up. That's how it goes, everyone. Arrest that band. End of movie.

We are going to be doing our live show this Sunday in L.A. Those tickets are sold out. But it's going to be at Scribble. It's going to be really. fun and if you are someone who wasn't able to get tickets we're sorry we will make sure to do another one in l.A. at some point soon and who knows you can always just like come to scribble in highland park eight o'clock this sunday and just hang out outside or you know try to get inside maybe there'll be no shows who knows all i know is it's going to be a lot of fun and if any of you want to you know

hop or hijack a train along the west coast in the next few days you might catch me on it because I'm taking the Amtrak down to L.A. That's crazy, dude. That is... I'm so excited. We don't do that in America. So you're doing something no one has ever done before. Taking a low-speed rail.

Yeah. Take slow transits across the country. They call him rail car matte. Yeah, I hope you have like a box car matto. I hope you have a bindle. I just saw Adam just throw his hands up and go, fuck, when he said that. Today's episode is brought to you by children in conflict. Children in conflict has been working in occupied Palestinian territory since 06

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I'll start out with a couple of records I found at Zula Records, my old record haunt, my CD haunt from high school in Kitsilano. These are not going to be on Spotify, so you won't find them on the playlist. But this one excited me because I went to school with this guy's daughter, elementary school. his daughter McHale So this guy's name is Tembatana And I forget what African country he was from

It might have been Ethiopia, but I forget But he's a percussionist And I'm not sure if he's still alive actually But he would come into our class At Le Colby Lang My Belangul Elementary School And give us demonstrations of African drumming and singing So cool to pick up his

His record on the Vancouver Folk Festival label Excuse me, I just bumped the microphone with it And then this one I was very excited about, and you were two. The Muppets Take Manhattan. Yes. Together again. Gee, it's good to be together again. Oh, man.

It was really weird. It was weird having Jordan Peterson do a cameo in it, but I thought he's sung it really good. Right, and Erica Kirk also. Together again. There's no feeling feels like that feeling. On Kermie, they shot Kermie in the neck. I'm gonna be your right, Wainster. That's how we know she killed him.

We heard from 300 yards back, the gunshot was, hi-ya. She saw him, like, DMing with, like, Tucker Carlson and, like, anti-Israel Groypers, and she was like, mm-hmm. Oh, that's great. That's great. Kirkett, the Frog.

This could go on for a long time, but it oughtn't. And then the other records I wanted to just mention were ones, a few of them that I mentioned at the Vancouver show, Vancouver bands. I actually don't have the screenshots here. I don't have the albums. I don't have my feetpicks from home where I pictured myself holding them. But Black Mountain, their debut self-titled album,

and Pink Mountain Tops, also self-titled, side project of Black Mountain. I used to work at the Portland Hotel Society in the downtown East Side with Stephen McBean. They headed that. Also worked with Alison Russell, Grammy-winning singer-songwriter. So her debut album, I wanted to feature Destroyer. Dan Behard is a good Vancouver artist.

And finally, Wolf Parade featuring, I would say, extended front of the pod, Dan Beckner from Vancouver Island. So their album, Apologies to the Queen Mary I featured. Sorry, I don't have visuals for that, but those are the ones. No, it's fine. It sure goes quicker without the visuals. I mean, look how fast that went at the end there.

Beckner is extended front of the pod in how? And he likes us, I think. Really? I've DM'd with him on. He's on side, at least. Oh, I love that, dude. I love it. We have many friends.

We have friends everywhere and or. That is what is spinning. And without further ado, I think it is time to bring in our guest a hilarious comedian who has a new show right now on Hulu. Oh, sorry, Hulu, excuse me, on YouTube. Just the last name threw me off. My wife was just on her show. The new show is called The Mary Hulahan Show. ladies and gentlemen and everyone else welcome to the pod mary hula hey hello hi hi how you doing pretty good do you want to know my favorite song from muffets take manhattan please tell us somebody's getting married

oh yeah absolutely that is a good one i like that i brought you guys a gift really yes so i'm i'm in my parents house and I stowed away this little treat that I saw in the New York Times on May 22nd, 2021. It's a full-page ad

condemning the Hadid's and do a Leipa. Holy shit. That is a full-page ad? Full page? Bottom half is text. You know what I always say. A friend against the Hadid's is a friend indeed.

That's right. That is that old chestnut. Does it say who put it out? Let's see. The World Values Network. Facts. That's great. That's great.

I thought it might be the World's Values Networks. Protocols of the Elders of Values. World Values? Is that the network of world values? Is that what it's called? Really? This ad was organized, produced, and paid for by the World Values Network. Rabbi Shmuli, pardon my pronunciation, Bo-Teach.

Bodhioc, but, you know, Boatich is what I call. We call them both. Teach is lost as peach. You know what I mean? Oh. Andrewsclay. Worldvalues. U.S.

slash the Israel warrior. Oh, I love it. I love it. Thank you, the Israel Warrior slash world values. I like world values does sound more like, I don't know, a department store or like some sort of Walmart. Value Village. Yes. The ultimate Israel Warrior is my favorite 80s wrestler.

Oh, yeah, for sure. Great wrestler. Thank you, Adam. Mary Hulahan, thank you for joining us. Thank you for finding us. Thank you for finding some Hasbara. Of course. I want to ask, Hulahan is a very peculiar Jewish last name.

Yep. Are you Irish? Yes, I'm Irish. I'm Catholic, kind of, I guess so. You're Irish Catholic. Do you think it's your Irish heritage that makes you anti-Semitic? Yes. Fair, fair.

Just wanted to make sure. We like to ask all of our Irish guests, whether or not their Irish heritage makes them anti-Semitic. Yes, it's our small brains. I hear from a lot of Irish Catholics that they're actually lapsed anti-Semites. That's right. Yes, of course, yes. Ever since the new Pope, you know, they just, they can't handle the anti-Semitism of their youth.

I want to ask you a little bit about, the war in Iran, as our, you know, premier representative of the Irish government, what are your thoughts? So we, should we go to war? Should we stay in Iran going to more war? Do you want less war? I think I would like less war. Do you think it's because you're anti-Semitic? Yes, unfortunately. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Well, I want to get into our Iran news says. because we need to talk about what's been going on with Trump.

Did you have a lovely Easter weekend, Mary? I did have a lovely Easter. I went to church even. Wow. What was that like? Well, it was funny because sometimes I go to church in Queens, and it's like a cool church. What's a cool church?

Is that like a church with skateboards? Nah. It's a church with a youth pastor. Basically, it's a church where, like, the priest will, mention Palestine during the mass. Yeah. That is a cool church.

Yeah. And I did notice a slight difference at my parents' suburban church. The priest said, what did he say? It was really something that could be read several ways.

It was like, let's pray that everyone prevents violence I love it I was like, okay Let's pray to Jesus Christ

That everyone is That President Trump and Netanyahu Do their best to prevent violence Well, President Trump woke up that morning With a very similar Aspiration and wish Yes On his heart

Yes, to prevent violence And he did so With the Easter Bunny For those of you who haven't seen it he, on Easter morning, he went up to, you know, I think this was somewhere in the White House where they have a giant balcony. And he was doing his normal Easter wishes thing. But then, as most Trump speeches do, it went off the rails a little bit while the Easter Bunny was standing right next to me. I don't think it gets much more hostile than Iran. And there are others like that.

You don't mind when the enemy is weak, but that enemy is strong. Not so strong like they were about a month ago. I can tell you, in fact, right now they're not too strong at all, in my opinion, but we're soon going to find out, aren't we? For those of you... It's too bad that mascot head doesn't have ears that can droop. I know. I know if it just slowly start...

Or like one ear kind of turns towards him and one away, like a dog. Imagine being in that suit. You're like, how do I? I play this. I've never seen an inanimate, like, mask face of a bunny still, like, display total alarm. Like, it reminds me of Tom Wamsgantz, in the first scene of his ever in succession when he's playing that, or the second thing, when he's playing that dog at the amusement park. Oh, yeah.

And the kids start harassing him and he pukes in the thing. I mean, it's that level of alarm. Yeah, you can only imagine who's actually in there who was forced to play the Easter Bunny. Oh, my God. You know, like Bobby Bacola being forced to be Santa Claus at the event, you know what I mean, at the Christmas party for the Sopranos. Like that is... All right, Mary, now you need to do an HBO reference. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's your favorite HBO show? Oh, yeah, the Easter Bunny reminds me of season two of The Wire. Yeah. You know that scene. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know what? Need you say more? No, you need not.

A woman after our own heart. After that speech, they could open up the Easter Bunny and find a bunch of dead. Never mind. I want to know what you were going to go on. Well, you know, the container. The shipping container. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I got you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you haven't seen season two of the Wire, you should all see it. It's very good. It's a great season. It's a much maligned, much misunderstood. Amy Ryan is so good in that season. I do wonder who's in there. I think it could be a little Marco Rubio.

I think it's possible. It's Christy Noem. Who was the lawyer who was just fired? What's her name? Pam Bondi. Yeah, Pam Bondi. I mean, at this point, Pam Bondi is jobless. Maybe it could be Christine Nome's husband who was revealed to, I guess, cross-dress.

Do you guys see? Sure, yeah. Beautiful. Honestly, he does look fabulous in it. But yeah, this is, you know, coming at a weekend where we now have a deadline, which is as we're recording this, the deadline is tonight, Tuesday at 8 o'clock. And it's a deadline for accepting the ceasefire quote unquote proposal, the peace plan of the Trump administration. It's already been rejected by Iran who put out their own 10 point peace plan in which they made a bunch of pretty reasonable counter offers that we can only assume will not be accepted. So we can only hope that they do decide to not fucking continue this shit. But knowing Trump, he probably will.

Meanwhile, the rhetoric on his end has been insane. He has had some of the most outlandish fucking true. tweets about this that I think I've ever seen, and that says a lot. I mean, for Trump to have something that shocks even me, I'm, it means something. So this is one he put out today. Today he put out, this is on truth social, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will.

However, now that we have, and for some reason, capitalized, complete and total regime change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary, revolutionarily wonderful can happen. Who knows? We will find out tonight. Who knows? Something's coming. Something good.

Yeah. We will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history. of the world. Oh, my God. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran. I mean, I love starting with a whole civilization will die tonight. And then ending with a, you know what, this will be great because 47 years of death will

finally end with. God bless the people I'm about to annihilate. You're right. And God bless all of you who are. are about to die tonight. It is, I mean, it's genocidal in ways that we always criticize the Israeli government for doing openly, but like it is, it hits different when it's not written in modern Hebrew. You know what I mean? Like, we've seen this kind of rhetoric from all sorts of Israeli leaders talking about Palestinians. Except they don't say a great civilization will die tonight. No, right.

don't do. They don't, they don't, they don't, they're not the Joker. They're not the riddler. You know, they're, they're, they're, they're, I don't know, Willem, the Willem Defoe enemy and whatever that was, Iron Man, I don't, I forget. No, that was Spider-Man. Come on, Spider-Man, okay, I'm not a superhero guy. Yeah. But, you know, they're, they're, they're, they're efficient, cold-blooded, uh, lunatics, whereas Trump does it all in a clown suit. Yeah. I mean, like, the way that Trump does it, it's almost like he's, he's so clownish that he's a nerd to, it's not even he is, we are all immune to his rhetoric in a way where we go like, yeah, yeah, he's saying the most crazy thing ever and whatnot. But it's like, this is, that is openly genocidal and it's crazy.

And before that, he had another tweet that was on, on Easter. Yeah. that he got a bunch of shit for. And I want to, instead of me reading it, I want it to be read by a few other people. First, we'll start with this is... Before you play it, Matt, so I can just ask Mary, are you shocked at this point by any of this?

No. So you're past the point of being able to be surprised or startled or, yeah, you just, this is the new normal? I feel like this is just how he's talked forever. except he used to speak out against regime change and mock those who believed in it. But, you know, you can replace the content, but stylistically, you're right. Yeah. I mean, I feel like he has always taken everything to that degree, you know, to the more insane degree.

Almost like purposefully prodding liberals and leftists and whatnot in ways that will make us go, oh, can you believe what he said? Right. Yes. The difference for me has always been that he would do it almost as a tease to something that he wasn't actually going to do. It was always just like a way to get everyone talking about something so he could do some other shady shit. In this case, he is bombing Iran. He is planning, you know, a ground invasion.

He is doing all of the things that he said he wouldn't do, which I think anyone who, who was paying attention would know that he was going to do, like, to think he wasn't actually going to be a war hawk is obviously ridiculous. But I do think that a lot of people thought, if not, you know, he doesn't have to be, you know, a dove, but he's not going to start a war in Iran. Like, people actually thought he was not going to do that. And in his first administration, he killed Soleimani. That's not, that's not dove behavior.

Right, exactly. But he didn't start a new war. Right. And that is how low the bar. has been is been will they will the next president start a new war and in this case not only has he done that but because he's done that when he says things like we're going to a whole civilization will die tonight he very well could mean it and he has the power to make that happen and as a negotiation or a negotiating

tactic it is it leaves the entire world peace like caught in the middle It's fucking insane. And the tweet he did on Easter was equally insane, but in a different way. And here's a few different people reading it. This is first Jake Tapper. Oh, no, you know what? I'm going to start with Alex Jones. That's my way of insulting Jake Tapper even more.

He's getting bumped by Jones. Here's Alex Jones reading a tweet. Tuesday, one of Power Plant Day and Bridge Day, all wrapped up in one. And Iran, there will be nothing like it. Open the effing straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Raise me to Allah, President Donald, John Trump. Trump came out on Easter and said, Allah Akbar, God is great.

I like the fact Trump's off the cuff sometimes at a rally or something, but you don't do the church service. And you don't say on Easter, F you mothers, you either, you know, give up the effing straight or, you know, God is great. Allah Akbar, I'm going to destroy all of you. I mean, you know what he said. So he likes the mocking of Islam, just not in this context. Well, I mean, just don't say fuck. Oh, yes, using the F word on Easter Sunday. Yeah, so don't swear on Easter.

And I think for him, it's not that he, I mean, I'm sure he doesn't, he doesn't give a shit about mocking Islam. No, he likes it. I'm saying he likes it. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, for sure. I mean, that's in distinction. I don't know if you're going to play Tucker Carlson's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tucker's as well.

But like with Alex Jones, it is fairly interesting the fact that he is going to look at that tweet and be mad at the war hawk nature of it. I think he is genuinely like, you know, what the fuck is up with this guy? Like he is doing this. And I feel like the whole don't swear on Easter thing is like a conservative coded loophole for a good reason to get mad in case the whole part about him doing this in further into the war doesn't do it for you. Well, it's back to the wire, right? It's, isn't it, was it Barksdale or was it Stringer Bell who got upset at his underlings for breaking

the Sunday truce? Oh, it was Barksdale. Yeah, yeah, for shooting up. Because Stringer, Stringer broke the truce by allowing his minions to try to take a shot at Omar during Sunday church services and shot off, shot off her crown. Yeah. Her church crown. Yeah. It's like you're making all of us look bad by doing that, which I guess perhaps there's an analogy there, Alex Jones saying like, we're conservative. We're not, we're supposed to pretend to be Christian. Come on. Right. Which is absolutely insane because, I mean, like, all of these guys, I think knew full well that Donald Trump is not a Christian. Like, not a Christian in

terms of, like, actually going to church or believing in Jesus. Like, everyone knew that this was all part of the grift that he was doing in order to be president. He just didn't think you would win. But still, it's like he's, he is covering all the bases. For those of you who are okay with war with Iran, but are not okay with swearing on Easter. I know. Here's the reason why it's bad.

And Jake Tapper also read this tweet, but he left out a lot of. little something that I think you may notice. Here we go. If your children are watching, be warned the president did not use polite language. Quote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day, all wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it.

Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. We should note that destroying civilian power- No. Jake, Jake, Jake, you have another line. Wait, wait, wait. There's another line.

Sorry, you missed that. Maybe it wasn't on the prompter or something like that. Praise be to whom? Praise me to somebody. I love that he just... What's that choice? I mean, it's classic Jake Tapper who's just like he sees praise be to Allah. And he's just like, I don't want to even read this ironically.

Right, yeah. I might get a call from Jonathan Greenblatt if I even utter those phonemes. They might restrict my access. I won't get to have Jonah Platt back on my podcast. The crazy thing is where he ends this. You know, after reading this, you know, objectively insane tweet about... It's crazy to see fucking on the CNN Chiron and coming out of Jake Tapper's mouth. Like, it looks like a Stephen Colbert, like a Colbert rapport or John Stewart, you know, mock Chiron or something like that.

But here we are. Yeah. And it's crazy that he'll say children, you know, if you have children in the room, please move them out because I'm about to say some swears. And then he says, open the fucking straight. He'll say that, but he won't say praise be to Allah. Oh, God. He is a true. I think he thinks that's the Shahada.

I think he thinks that's the, like if you say that, you're a Muslim. Oh, no, I've converted. Oh, my gosh. First one to say to Allah, Allah is a rotten Muslim. I guess that's the phrase that for their particular audience, they would get hate mail. Yes, yeah. I mean, and not audiences in terms of who's at home watching, but their audience at the ADL and APEC and J Street and every single part of the lobby.

Yeah, not so much their audience as they're producers. No, no, right, right, exactly. They're handlers. What's wild is after he, you know, threatens this war crime, because Jake Tapper is a pro-Israel stooge on the news, he has to qualify whether or not this is a hate crime, or sorry, whether or not this is a war crime. And here's the rest of this.

We should note that destroying civilian power infrastructure is generally considered to constitute a war crime under international law, though the president could argue that the infrastructure has dual use and also is utilized by Iran's military. Thank you, Jake. There are terrorist trolls under that bridge. I've consulted with my Israeli sources, and they tell me there are ways, but Trump employed none of those nuanced tactics in his tweet.

It's really a failure of messaging. On the one hand, it's a war crime. On the other hand, come on. Yeah, come on. Would it be a war crime if Israel did it? It wouldn't. So let's, he straight up wrote some Hasbara for the president to use should he need it. That is, that is a level of commitment to Israel that I have to respect game, recognized game dog.

Meanwhile, a dual-use city like Tel Aviv is being pummeled and we're supposed to be like, all outraged to international law being violated when the entire military infrastructure is planted in among and underneath. a huge amount of civilian neighborhoods. Right, exactly. It's, you know, but dual use is, you know, only matters if you can append the word terrorist to it. And in this case, because we're talking about Iranians or Arabs or any, you know, type of brown people that's not an Israeli, you can do that. You can just say terrorists. And they're like, well, what can you do?

You have to bomb where the terrorists are, including any place where there's civilian infrastructure. I knew dual use was a tax write-off. I didn't know when there was a war crimes right-off. Dual use, that's part of my dual loyalty trope, is my dual-use trope. But another person who came out against his tweet in, you know, somewhat surprising fashion was Tucker Carlson. Hate to be back on the glaze train, but he did a pretty good job of, at the very least, explaining that this is an insane thing. I thought this was beautiful, quite frankly, and I'm not ashamed to say it. I mean, I don't, just taken as a piece of oratory and human response from a major influencer talking to people that we don't talk to.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Get me yelled at. Yeah, I'll get you yelled at. I mean, I'm getting myself yelled out on Twitter for saying it, but I'm just sick and tired of all the grudging or the whatever, the refusal. I find it really churlish. It is churlish. When we're this deep into all these crimes, you know, you want to sort of backhand slap away,

some very significant. And I actually think quite rooted and grounded and well-expressed and eloquent opposition because you're uncomfortable for any number of maybe valid reasons. Yeah. I don't have time for it. I mean, I will say that both for, for, Tucker and for frankly Alex Jones to say something against the narrative of no we have to do this war is good everyone get on board I mean their roles are essentially um you know to speak to

the ravenous chudhogs who are out there who want uh you know basically want to be led uh and um for them to go against the grain of that type of thing for what you're Whatever reason is a good thing. You haven't even played it yet, but someone on Twitter yelled at me and was like, oh, you're lifting him up. He's not even significant anymore. Look at the numbers. He has about a third.

He used to have 3.8 million viewers on Fox News. And now he only has one million impressions. Who is he talking to? I'm like, a million people who are never going to watch corporate news again, independent media consumers. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here is Tucker Carlson's video. Just explaining this tweet or talking about this tweet.

Who do you think you are? You're tweeting out the F word on Easter morning? I'm sorry, when he's opening with that, I'm like, all right, calm down, buddy. Don't yell at me. I just was, I'm just playing the video. You'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise B to Allah.

Tucker will say it. This is another annoying thing. A perfect example. Jake Tapper won't say praise me to Allah because he's afraid of whatever the fuck. And Tucker Carlson will. It's the difference between being scared and not being scared. And it makes all the difference in the world

to what you're going to be able to put out there. Oh, it pisses me off so bad. It's a living example of the thing I've been saying from the beginning, which is just like, Every single, quote, liberal news person abdicating total responsibility and, like, you know, changing everything they report. The way they talk about Israel, the way they talk about Palestine and Palestinians to fit this. Like, that is the reason why you have Tucker Carlson being the, you know, a leader on this issue for right wingers.

Sorry, you could have, any one of you could have done it. But anyway. So obviously you're mocking the religion of Iran. Okay. If you seek a religious war, that's a good idea. But by the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions. You may have a problem with the theology. Presumably you do if it's not your religion, and you could explain what that is.

But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself. And we should never mock that. because at its core is the acknowledgement that we are not in charge of the universe. We did not build it. We won't be here at the end of it. We can destroy life. We cannot create it because we are not God. The message of all faith at the biggest picture level is the message in our Bible,

which is you are not God. And only if you think you are, do you talk this way? That Bible was crazy. That Bible went crazy. I don't know if you saw when he picked it up. That shit looked like the cover was made out of wood. And there's just a Cover of a simple Torah album.

Yeah, yeah, dude. That was, I mean, I kind of want to listen to whatever the fuck that Bible was. I want the audio book of that Bible. Yeah. But it's not just mockery of Islam. And no president should mock Islam. That's not your job. This is not a theocracy.

We don't go to war with other theocry. That's a funny line. It's not your job. Leave it for someone else. Yeah. That's my job from before. Right. That's the old me's job.

That's the old me's job before I got fired. Yeah. But, I mean, you know, to be fair, it is kind of wild to watch him do a 180 on some of these things. You can call it grifting. You can say this is just him, you know, working an angle. And I don't disagree with you there. But also, he is speaking to a million people who you kind of hope have, you know, if they have been the type of person that he's currently lambasting, maybe they'll stop being that.

I don't know. Who knows? Procies to find out which theocracy is more effective, we are not a theocracy. And God willing, we never will be because theocracies corrupt the religion. Also, they corrupt the, never mind. That's fine. That's fine. No.

He is a religious chauvinist. Yes. And he's a white chauvinist. He's American chauvinist. He's all kinds. He's a male chauvinist and probably a heterosepherson. sexual chauvinist and the gender expression chauvinist. Like, he has all kinds of, like, little rigid areas of focus,

and he's very willing to dismiss and, frankly, mock people who fall outside of them. Sure. That said, I do believe his sort of liturgical or spiritual convictions here are sincere. I think he's genuinely disturbed by something here that. And what he says about theocracy, I think, is consistent with that. Yeah. No, I think it's very short-sighted for atheist leftists who just disdains spirituality in all its forms. Oh, I completely agree.

Which has all kinds of consequences, actually, I think, besides this, to coup-poo this because it's a faith-based critique, as opposed to what? Like, based on the DSA handbook? Right, right. And I have always been someone who quickly, noped out of any kind of like atheistic identity whether or not you know you are an atheist you can be an atheist

nothing wrong with it but the whole like I'm going to openly identify with the atheism and the atheist community Sam Harris shit Sam Harris shit a Bill Maherish shit which always ends up being racist against some religions and not others yes what's that Mary it's just well I feel like Bill Maher's

Atheism is more Islamophobia than truly the absence of theism. Yes. It's more about saying this one religion is so stupid and extreme and look how violent they are. And then anyone says, hello, what about people being like insane to trans people in America? Then he's like, you're being woke. Shut up. Right. 100%.

And a lot of us leftist atheists do it to Christianity. And there's all kinds of things in every single religion in the ways those, you know, religious expression, in religious doctrine and practice, which are enforced by humans and systems, as he's pointing to, theocratic systems, which is distinct from the actual thing itself. But on the merits of what Christianity is about, this kind of cruelty, this kind of, chauvinism that Trump is exercising and certainly the genocidal militarism of it. It's totally anathema of Jesus' teachings. Right. Right. And it's something that I think, you know, has been pointed out by

leftists and liberals before to all these, you know, Christian evangelical, you know, racist psychopaths or, you know, misogynist psychopaths or whatever, different chauvinists. You know, hey, this is antithetical to. Jesus is teaching. So what are you actually doing here? But, you know, no one listens to a leftist or a liberal who says that because that leftist or liberal is usually not also Christian. You know, they're usually just doing it as kind of a gotcha. This whole like, don't listen to Tucker, do listen to Tucker thing is like so complicated because like as you said Daniel, like he can reach an audience that like isn't going to listen to Medi Hassan.

or Joy Reid or anyone like that. And like the interview with Huckabee, I thought was really interesting because, of course, it would be better for us to have like a Joy Reid interview Huckabee. But who are they going to let fly into Israel an interview? Yes, the ambassador. Like Huckabee in Israel, they're only going to let a Christian. Zionists do that. So in a way... Or someone with a Christian Zionist

pedigree or track record. I don't know what I would call him that now. Right. Oh, yes, of course. But someone who Christian Zionists might listen to, basically. Yes, 100%. And it is, this is obviously something

we have gone over and over, you know, when it comes to this ship. But yeah, like, no one's going to listen to me saying, hey, Jesus' teachings don't include, let's do genocide against the Iranians. They might actually listen to Tucker. They might actually agree with him. And like, I feel... Especially since he connects it to nativist concerns.

Yes. How's my life going? That's true. How are the promises that I invested emotional and identity energy into for the past eight years or more? going. Do I feel, am I being served? Very American kind of self-interested question, which is also a reasonable human one. Yeah, I mean, and it's also one that is not going to, it's not going to take as much reprogramming for the audience.

You know, the audience themselves, they are already, you know, this is just part of their chud brain. And if they, and look, when the war in Iraq was happening, this is, you know, know, sometimes I feel like people forget the amount of, like, the uniformity, not just within our government, but also within our culture. And not just the culture of, like everyone, like I'm talking Hollywood, I'm talking all of it. There was, you did not have this quick of a reaction against the war in Iraq. It was, it, it, it, it, it. There was certainly leftist marching in the street. There was certainly a movement against it out of the gate.

But culturally, it was not there. Culturally, it was like the worst fucking thing you could do. No newsmen were sitting around saying this is a terrible idea until at least a couple years into the war in Iraq. To say it was to lose your career. And to say it was to lose your career. Phil Donahue. Yes, yes.

The Ditchicks. Yes, yes. And I'm never going to call them just the chicks, but I'm willing to not save the original name out of respect. Right. The D-chicks. The D-chicks, yeah. But, like, they, you know, there were serious consequences for that.

To have people like Tucker Carlson, and I'm sorry, but, you know, Alex Jones, for as much as a clown as he is, to have them actively trying to pump the brakes on shit like that. Intervene. Yeah, intervene. It's like an intervention. It is a net positive thing, okay? And that is something that, you know, you can be mad about or you can have some fucking

perspective and go like, it is good. We don't want this fucking, you know, monoculture of pro-war fucking psychopaths, especially not when the right wing is in office. Because these are, this is, these are people. who they don't need anyone to consent in order to do this. If you add consent to that, it could be worse. And either of you have any thoughts about why we're not seeing hundreds of thousands of people in the streets as we eventually did with Iraq and certainly with Vietnam?

I mean, it's a good question. I think we are seeing people in the streets for various reasons. I mean, these no kings protests are the, you know, most popular. biggest protests in, I think, in American history. But do they name names in terms of, like, they talk about no foreign wars, but do they, they're like, stop the war in Iran? In general, those no king's protests are, like, pretty packed full with anti-war in Iran people.

It's like, there's, for sure, like, you know, suburban white libs who are just like, you know, Trump is bad, you know, orange man bad type shit. But these are protests that are filled with people, despite all of the sort of the leftist hand-wringing against like, oh, this is all performative. It's like, yeah, this is, yeah. Our politics are performative until you pull a Luigi Mangione. I'm sorry, but they are. I mean, guilty as charged. I've rolled my eyes at these protests.

Oh, sure. Ever since Russia Gate and pussyheads and all that kind of stuff. Right. But if you think about that criticism, actually, it's performative. what do you think demonstration means? I know. Right, exactly. You're demonstrating something.

You're showing and proving. You're performing something. Yes, exactly. As to why we're not seeing a sudden flux to the streets of like anti-war protesters, I guess, I think people are viewing like the move into Iran as just like a continuation of what was happening in Palestine. Like, I'm seeing people, you know, that we're having Palestine demonstrations. Then they say, come to our demonstration next week for now we're saying Palestine and Lebanon. Now we're saying Palestine, Lebanon and Iran.

Yeah. No, completely. I mean, I agree. And beyond that, I think it's almost also a continuation of these. He's like, no, King's protests are a continuation of the anti-ice protest. I mean, that was, you know, at this point, the thing that Trump has learned, at this point, the thing that, you know, Trump has learned, I would say from the Israelis, but, you know, in general, I think, maybe this is not just unique to Israel, is that if you keep the crimes coming, it is really throws everyone off balance. It makes it so that, you know, you're in the middle of planning a protest against, you know, ice Nazis murdering people in cold blood in Minneapolis. And then, you know, when on the day of that protest, already we've gone to war with Iran.

And so now your ice protest is also an Iran protest. So I think we're- There's more of a cluster fuck. It's a honey bunch of oats of-honey bunches of atrocities. Yes. These days, you know, there's just so much in every bit. Well, look, I just, I mean, thank you for those answers. That's helpful for me. you know my little hypocrisy alert went off in my head sure in my conscience I'm talking about

myself now because here I am being like all these libs being churlish towards uh you know right wing anti-sionist and anti-interventionist whatever you should appreciate it and here I am being like yeah no kings I've already made up my mouth about that and yet they're the ones out there in the biggest numbers so that's right you know shut the fuck up all you people and also shut the fuck up. I'll meet people sometimes. That's right. My hypocrisy alarm goes on less about like in the street demonstrations and more about the media response.

And I mean, you're probably a little older than me and you were just saying that. What makes you say that? He's a very young man. You were just saying that, you know, the response to the Iraq war wasn't immediate, that it took a while and that journalists that spoke out against it. looked like freaks, basically. And I don't know. I guess maybe I don't remember it as well.

But to me, this whole past couple years, all I've been thinking is, why aren't there SNL sketches about Net and Yahoo? Why aren't there late night bits about this stuff? Like, you could even do it in like a toothless way. You honestly could. And so like, the absence of any joking about it. And it really makes me like scared, honestly.

It makes me feel like what is going on? Like if you guys aren't allowed to, like say that, tell a journalist that you're not allowed to. Right. Sorry for interrupting. There was a bit of a lag. Maybe with SNL UK, we'll get a taste of that. They did a, on their weekend update, they said, well, you know, it's Easter, which is the only they were allowed to commemorate the murder of a Palestinian.

Of course, all the Zionists flipped out about that. So that's, you know, that's a sign of maybe something popping out of the world. But I think that's just another sign that like every other Western country you can talk about Israel. Like the U.S. is uniquely fucking weird about it. Oh, yeah. Like look at every single Irish. actor, Irish musician, they're all so vocal. And then when it comes to Irish Americans or any kind of American, people are doing this

calculus of what can I say? Or they say it in like such a thinly veiled, oh, do you think they were talking about Palestine? Yes. You need a fucking decodering to understand anyone's politics. Speaking of, you know, people that people don't want to hand it to, right? Who do you have to get on SNL to get Palestine mentioned and some real moral solemnity? Well, was it like, Chappelle?

It was Dave Chappelle, yeah, exactly. Who did a wonderful little thing in his monologue. That's right. So, you know, it's like, again, this is a show who is, as you're right, Mary. Like, they are in this privileged position. And I don't know. And it's like, I just can't accept that they're not allowed to talk about it. Because look at Iraq War era, Adam McKay, was making.

sketches about this. Robert Smigel made sketches about this. Are you telling me there's no one that works there now that's interested in talking about those things? Then that's a problem. Yeah, yeah. And we know there is, there are people who work there who are pro-Palestine. I know, I know them personally. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, it is very much a part of the, you know, the no-go zone. And that's just, that's just it. And, uh, Yeah, it is why, yes, it is why the, having any sort of people speaking out against the sort of like general consensus, even if it's someone who you don't want to hand it to, is a part of a larger good that we, you know, if you can be as pissy about it as you want. But and okay, this is this is my most controversial take. People hate it when I say this.

We're going to love it. I'm very excited. I think you will because you guys have hypocrisy alarms. Yes. Which we're willing to turn on ourselves sometimes. Of course. Yeah. Dave Chappelle speaks up for Palestine.

It's beautiful when he does. And people point out when he makes jokes that are. insensitive towards trans people. Yes, that's true. Bill Maher says 10 times as many transphobic things. He gets none of the write-ups, none of the tweets, none of the cultural outrage. He has a weekly show on HBO. Yes, yes.

So, like, can tweet perhaps? There's a tiny bit of racism or Islamophobia to how those two people are treated. Yes. Ten times as many. Ten times as many and ten times as callous. Mm-hmm. Yes, it's me. They're not just dehumanizing.

It's not poking. They're not, they're not trolling. There's no angle. There's no angle whatsoever. He's not trying to find a funny, it is lazy. And none of them, none of them are funny. Yes. Yes.

And they're just insults and they're like, what, these are my beliefs. And then he gets invited on Kara's Wisher's show. Like, he is fully embraced by mainstream media. Yes. And is fully a transphobe. So you guys are telling us you can be a transphobe so long as you're pro-Israel. Pro-Israel, yes. That's not okay.

Right. And this is, you know, this is sort of the dead giveaway as to what the values are of, if not liberals in general, but like liberal, you know, mahears who are like run institutions, media institutions that we all find. Why are you going to give it a Yiddish name? Whatever, fat cats is the other way. There you go. The liberal. Fat cats? Cats?

Yeah. Okay. Listen. I didn't say fat rats. Some of the cats. Some of the cats. Some of the cats is. I mean, they own delicatessen, sure, but some of them are skinny.

They have to be. Oh, God, damn it. It's impossible to not be anti-Semitic. Speaking of which, we should take a break. I don't know why that's being with. I just sometimes I need a good segue. We're going to take a quick break, but everyone, please stick around. Don't join the CIA and don't join ICE.

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How are you doing, Mary? I'm doing very well. Thank you. Oh, yes. Yeah. I do an Irish accent sometimes. Is that okay? Yeah, it's okay.

Thank you. Okay, good. Thank God. Because it's really racist. Oh, it's me. Foykin me, da. I like to say something like that. Is this podcast good crick?

Did good crack so far? Yeah, is it good crack? Yeah, it's good crack. Yeah. I like the way you say. It sounds like you were smoking from a pipe. Do they have crack houses in, in Ireland.

That's what a comedy club is called. Why is no one open? I mean, I have to believe someone's open. It's got to be. I'm certain there are. A hundred percent. It's got to be. That's so good.

Let's save that for our Irish show. Let's save that for when we go to Ireland. Daniel, we had a guest on not too long ago who wrote a book about the Boond. Yeah, Mali Krabopal. Yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. announced. Our friend, Molly Crabapple, whose book is being released, I think, like, tomorrow or today as we record this, I'm not sure, but right on the verge of it. And lo and behold, she got a rave review in the New York Times of all places. Here's the title of it. What does Judaism look like without

Zionism? In, here we are, here we live is our country. Molly Crabapple tells the story of a Jewish labor movement that fought anti-Semitism and nationalism with equal fervor. And I just want to read a couple of paragraphs from that review to give you a sense of, you know, the tone of it and the enthusiasm that the reviewer lavished upon it. It started with a paragraph about how Jews and Israel are being conflated, both by Zionists. And, well, it started with, you know, opposition to the war. And it called it Israel's wholesale destruction of Gaza, which it's not genocide, but I'll take it. And then it says, this conflation of Jews in Israel is dangerous anti-Semitism.

And yet it's harder to fight back as the mainstream Jewish establishment insists that Zionism is nearly as integral to Jewish identity as circumcision. And notice that when they says Zionism is nearly as integral, too, that's broken up into three separate hyperlinks. Wow. Right? Yeah. So they got receipts. They got her. She's showing their work. That's right. Increasingly, though, many Jews are searching for another point of view. Feelings about Israel are wobbling within the community and disapproval is rising among the young.

Pro-Palestinian Jewish groups are growing and more and more Jews view Zionist as a toxic label. We don't want to take all the credit for it, but we'll take, you know, 30%. In this muddled moment, Molly Crab Apple's terrific here where we live as our country unearths the story of a Jewish political movement that opposed ethnic nationalism of all stripes, and that fought anti-Semites head on, sometimes literally beating them on the head. It's an authoritative history of the Jewish labor bund, better known simply as the Bund, the early 20th century socialist movement

that broke with the Bolsheviks, fought the Zionists, and tried to resist the fascists. Well, that's a pretty exciting thing. It's great. It's great. I mean, Molly's book is excellent, and that interview with her was proof of that.

And it's great that the New York Times actually read it and is reporting about it at least as honestly as they can, you know? Yeah. All right. So how do you think the Hasbara sphere reacted to this review? I'm sure they loved it. The New York Times is known for being anti-Semitic. Yeah, exactly. You know that's what they're saying.

I guarantee you you're going to show me a screenshot that says that. Once again, the anti-Samites at the We Hate Jews York Times. Said, yeah. Yeah, I mean, even in just the book review section, you can go through the history of the New York Times and just find, you're speaking about glazing, just, you know, fawning reviews about absolutely insipid, specious frauds,

like Joan Peters from Time and Memorial, all the way up to, I don't know what, probably Dershowitz. I mean, it's... And certainly a lot of love for liberal Zionist Israelis like David Grossman and Amos Oz and all the others, you know, who hand ring and, meanwhile, completely privilege Israeli Jewish interiority and relegate Palestine. And this is not an article about Palestinians, but it is about Jews who fought Zionism, which doesn't get a lot of play in the mainstream.

So here are just some of the reactions in no particular order that I saw. I don't know who this is. I mean, I'm not even picking particularly prominent people here, but they're all emblematic of a pattern. Yeah. The members of the Bund who were bit killed by the Nazis, I know what bit killed means. Yeah, I don't know.

I think it's not killed. Who are not killed by the Nazis. Yeah. Either, thank you. Very good. Oh, yeah, you're right. Because N is next to B and I is next to. Oh, very well done.

Either ended up in the Gulag or assimilated out of existence. I'm not sure that's the success. story you want to model yourself on. I mean, I love the claim of... Compared to what other Jews, what do they mean? Isn't that what happened? It's true.

You know, when Jews got off the box cars at the Auschwitz Terminus, they would trundle down the queue and they'd reach a guard who would ask them for their name, age, do a quick medical

check to see if they were good for work, and then ask them Are you by any chance a Zionist? And if they were, they got to, you know, stay at the local Hilton. All right. They said, oh, never mind. And then they flew you out. No, it's funny. I mean, like that entire tweet is perfect because they talk about, oh, you've been assimilated

out of existence, kind of like a knock on all non-Zionist, you know, leftist Jews who remained either, you know, communist or. socialist or leftists in whatever way they had and then maybe became essentially their kids went to reform synagogue as opposed to the Zionists, the ones who went to Israel and lived in Israel. They didn't assimilate at all except for they did because they created an entire fucking mishmash of fact and fiction type of culture that made it so that, you know, Yemeni Jews and And Palestinian Jews, Iraqi Jews, European Jews, they all became the same flat fucking thing. So in terms of assimilated out of existence, you know, these guys assimilated out of like not just relevance, but like out of their own fucking Jewish, preexisting Jewish culture. I just hate the assimilationist argument.

It's it's total racist nonsense. form Jews that they don't like, right? Yes. Yes, 100%. Yeah. And it's to, you know, shame Jews who haven't made Alia to Israel to say, like, you guys never truly cared about your culture the way we do. It's like, you know, this is, I'm sure the Germans thought the same thing about German

Americans who didn't move back to the fatherland during Nazi time. Something I don't get as someone who's not Jewish, and I'm sure you guys don't get it either. But like is guilt trips about intermarriage? Well, many things. Yeah. But there's this disgust towards quote unquote reform Jews. But they hate Orthodox Jews. They hate deeply religious Jews.

Like what is this perfect amount of we're reformed, but not that reform, but we're not so religious that we're. We're not so religious that we're anti-war. Right, right, right. Like, it doesn't make sense to me. Well, what Israel creates, actually, is a kind of sectarian intra-antemitism because it's completely founded. They hate Hasidic Jews there, don't they? Because they don't serve in the military? There's a lot of, yeah, exactly.

But meanwhile, a lot of religious parties hate the secular ones because they're not upholding that. So it's this fractious internecine, is that the word civil war. of who's the right kind of Jew. And of course, we're the ultimate, wrong kind of Jew. But Israel, it's, I mean, anti-Semitism itself, and I'll read you a tweet that I wrote that kind of sums this up once we get through all the Hasbara ones. But it's founded fundamentally on a kind of self-rejection.

And if you're self-rejecting, then you need to find some faction of your, quote, self, right? Some part of the collective that is not you, you know? Even the inclusive lie that, oh, well, the in-gathering of the exiles, whatever. No, it was the abducting, really, and the coercing of Jews who were indigenous to places like Yemen, Iraq, Iran. By the way, did you guys hear that they just,

that the U.S. and or Israel just bombed a couple of historic synagogues in Tehran? Mm-hmm. I didn't hear that. Some of the most beautiful, I'm sure some of the most beautiful architecture in the entire region. ...searchs. Complete psychopaths. Complete anti-Zemites. Moving on, the Times opinion, this is Mark Horowitz,

Times opinion editor asks the question, what does Judaism look like without Zionism? But he leaves out the six million answers that history already provided. You know what's crazy about that, Mark Horowitz, is that Zionism existed. Right. During the Holocaust.

Right. And still six million Jews were killed. And not only that, but of those six million Jews. Right. And of those six million Jews. Right. million Jews that were killed, I'm sure. It's like this idea that...

My great fucking grandfather, Joseph Levy, a doctor from Koshitsa, Slovakia, who I believe was friends or colleagues or in pleasant acquaintance with Vladimir Jabotinsky, of all people, died in Auschwitz. Right. Now,

the fact that he was connected to Jabotinsky might have saved my father and grandfather's life in the Budapest ghetto at the same time in an ironic twist of fate given to, you know, Joseph's great-grandson ended up being. Right. Of all the podcasts, my great-grandfather could have imagined I would be hosting. I'm sure this is not one of them.

But, you know, they act like the Nazis killed six million Boondist Jews. And the crazy thing about it, and we discussed this with Molly. The, you know, we discussed this with Molly when she was on the show, but this is such a dark and evil and frankly, anti-Semitic way to discuss the victims of the Holocaust as people who essentially deserved it because they were weak and because they were leftists and because, you know, they were stupid. And for, you know, whatever reason, while all of the, you know, Jews who, you know, Jews who. moved to Palestine were the ones who were smart and better and stronger and yada yada yada just completely anti-semitic memo to the the jews and the gas chambers how's that bundism going for you right yeah exactly yeah these guys are um they they only love um the holocaust uh or like you know they only respect the holocaust survivors and victims of the holocaust when it benefits

their narrative. But as soon as it doesn't, they are. So here's Professor Gerald M. Steinberg. I looked up his bio. And he's like a former, something like former liberal or something like that. And now, now a Hobbsian realist. Oh, okay. Hobbsy and really. Thomas Hobbes who famously talked about the life of man being nasty, brutish and short, baby. I'm sure this guy's nasty, brutish and short. I'm only one of the three.

You just described every is right. Yeah, Tom might as well have been saying, Life is Ashkenazi. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. Every few years, says the good professor, a few diaspora Jews uncomfortable with the major Zionist component of Jewish identity

rediscovering glorify Bundism. They conveniently omit the finale in which Bundists learn that all men are not brothers. Lesson learned. You got to learn. You bundists got to learn and the Nazis are going to be your teachers. It is like truly. Can you believe the shit? It's truly insane. It's just so like, you know.

Here's someone quoted tweeting, Brooklyn neighbor of mine, Doug Henwood, who, whom I once spent New Year's with, who took a picture of these very good bust-up. ads that Molly's publishers took out with quotes from... Yeah, they're cool. I saw those. They're super cool, right? It's like a really bold thing. It's really great to see.

Henrik Erlich, the leader of the Jewish Bund, basically prognosticating about what would happen if a Jewish state should arise in Palestine, talking about chauvinism, talking about, you know, being an anathemat of freedom and democracy and progress. Michael A. Cohen, not Trump's former fixer, at Speech Boy 71. The modern veneration of the Jewish Bund is honestly one of the stupidest ideas

I've seen in some time. The Bund of Eastern Europe rejected Zionism and believed in promoting Jewish life in the places where Jews lived. Guess what happened to them? They got wiped out by the Nazis proving why a Jewish state was so necessary. It is, yeah.

I mean, it is true brainworms. Like, Zionism is brainworms because you, you, can only view things from the lens of whether or not Jews deserve it or not. I mean, that's the whole thing. And whether or not people... And it happened because they were boomed and not because of geographical luck. Like, what are you talking about?

That makes no sense. And the truth is, the truth is, bundists got slaughtered, Zionists got slaughtered. Yes, exactly. Unaffiliated Jews got slaughtered. Religious Jews, secular Jews, gay Jews, straight Jews. Zionists got slaughtered of all stripes. It wasn't about that, except insofar as what was the main Nazi misgiving or discomfort with Jews, is that they were socialists, is that they were, you know, they were part of a, they were, they were internationalist,

class conscious, they were, they were, they were termites. and the architecture of nationalist fascism. I mean, you'll find this with all of the accounts who go on these anti-Mali, anti-Bundist rants, that they all have the same politics, which is essentially, like, beyond Zionism, it's these very specifically right-wing anti-socialist politics where they blame the Jews for their own death

during the Holocaust because, oh, if we just had stopped being socialist, if we had stopped being leftist, we'd stop being communist, then first they came for the communists, the Jews should have stopped doing that, and they brought it upon themselves. Instead, what they should have done was collaborate, should have collaborated with the German government to make sure that the Jews of all lands were ethnically cleansed,

moved to Palestine. And instead, what happened? Oh, we all had to have different opinions, didn't we? That's the problem with us Jews. We all have too many opinions, and that got us killed. Well, now there's a land called Israel in which there is only one opinion, which is it is good and everyone else who is against it deserves to die. And that's the only way we'll be safe. And that fucking politics is so poisonous and so evil that it literally does the opposite of what they all claim the project of Israel is for.

It does not make Jews safer. It is, I mean, Israel is not a safe place for Jews. Let's be real. I think there's so many Jewish families in America that have relatives where there's like a story in their family about like, oh, they almost, they had the chance to move to the United States, but they said, no, we'll stay here. And this is such a sad thing to happen. But like, yeah, to treat this like the choices to stay in Europe and die or move to Palestine, those are your only choice. No. Right.

And you know what? They could have had a life in the United States. That's right. It is victim-blaming mentality. And that mentality transfers over to every other ethnic group, every other, you know, discreet and insular group that they actively go after. That's why they are all also racist against black people. That's why they're all also just bigots in general. Yes.

And what's very interesting. I thought a very good point made by alleged anti-Semite Susan Abelawa that the Jews are the only people in history that she could think of who have been induced to hate their ancestors. Right. And that's what Zionism does. And I wrote on Twitter, and this, you know, this must have resonated because it got my, you know, I have a shadow ban on me and this got 577 likes.

And for me, that's huge. That's huge. That's like viral. Come, it's not, it's not for you. No, I'm saying for you. For me, it's viral. The refusal to identify with and stand in loving solidarity with the, quote, losers of the world is ironically what makes Zionism such a self-hating, self-rejecting,

paranoid, and psychopathic ideology, which is true losership. Yes, 100%. That was viral. I saw that. See? But it is... If it's visible, it's viral, basically. It is truly, it is the ultimate loser shit to, yeah, just to look at the boon, or look at anyone talking about Judaism that doesn't include this fascist state and then be like, here's my proof.

The Holocaust happened. You got to be a real fucking piece of shit. And meanwhile, before we get out of here, who are the allies? of these total psychopaths other than like the Israeli government and whatnot but like who are their you know Gentiles of note

Righteous among the nation Yes righteous among the nations There are people like Brianna Wu Who put this out We're ending with a few Timely Passover posts that I think are wonderful New Seder plate items

just dropped. Check this out. Move over, Shankbone. It's time for General Tau's shrimp with ketchup. Rihanna Wu wrote absolute mystery, how anyone can hate the Jews when they gave the world this.

That's the worst-looking Chinese food I've ever seen in my life. What is that Israeli kuskosk next to it? It is a picture of, I suppose, Israeli kuskosk with broccoli. and next to it is shrimp

covered in saracha it looks like which is I mean you really got not being not being Chinese the Jews gave us that the idea that she's just like how can you hate the Jews when they gave us shrimp

knowing so little about the people who you are claiming to love beyond all reason I'm surprised she didn't post a picture of Wu clam chowder. Yeah, exactly. I mean,

I always have to work in some Wuteh that was great. But like this is, I mean, shrimp is beautiful. There's another one that was done by, this is a person

who is running for office in Atlanta. As a Democrat, but she won't admit that she won't ever use the Democratic branding. Her name is Natalie Canani.

And she wrote, have a blessed pastor. wishing you a Passover rich in divine love and blessings. And she's got a fully leavened piece of holla. That's a fluffy matzah, mama me. That's a yeasty matzah. That's a yeasty meatball. Just, you know, like it's these little things where it's like, well, you know,

Jews don't eat shellfish, right? That's why we don't have shrimp on the sater plate. And you understand Passover is very specifically about having shitty bread. on all other nights we have your crustaceans why on this night do we stuff our faces full of red lobster all you can eat

I would love that there was one Jewish holiday that's just called you know Gentile night where you get to you get to you eat the shrimp you get to have the bread you get to

you know not fuck through a hole in a sheet like something where it's just Like whatever rules there are, turning on and off lights during Shabbat. Yeah, using the dishwasher and washing machine with nothing in it just to use the electricity, just to turn the dials. Yeah. I feel like the Rugrats Passover special was made in vain if people don't even know these things. I know.

Yeah, that is exactly what I was thinking. I was just like, don't you, haven't you guys learned this from Rugrats? Come on, guys. And there were a few people who were. who are against the calling out of this. It is Bethany Mandel. Oh, she of the, the only reason I don't want to nuke Gaza is because the mushroom clad might drift over.

Right, yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. Yes. She wrote, I saw so much dunking on this, and it's so counterproductive, talking about the Kanani's ad with the Phala. It makes people resent Jews when we lash out at their attempts to wish us well. And I know about making people resent Jews. Tell me about it.

I do it professionally. It's a misstep, but obviously came from a good place. Just I love it. Let the goyam pander. Yes, exactly. Let them pander. Let them do their best. Let people engoy things.

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