Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 202: Haredi or Not, with Miko Peled

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

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Bodaamos us. Olive Garden us. White foster us. Zabrahamas. Oh, hello, how's the bien. And you, me amo Matt Leib, and welcome to Bad Hasbara. El Poldcast, what's the superlative in Spanish, the most moral? Much moral.

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you know, at any point since we started the Patreon, you will have your name shouted out in a scroll. You'll see names. It's basically the credit. to people who decided to really, really help us out by becoming patience. Very, very nice. You might be dead. Even if you turned Zionist and you're dead to us, we're still going to call out your name

because you're former self. We're going to dead name you ideologically. Exactly. You existed, you know, you were here, you was here. Yeah. You're going to get your shot out. I love the idea of dead naming is just when you put someone's name on their tombstone. Yeah.

Well, yeah, of course. You got to not give him the name. We are gathered here today, dearly beloved, two dead names. This wonderful man. So yeah, shout out to producer Adam Levin, by the way. Let him hear it. He is great. Always on the ones and twos and lower threes.

And shout out to our full first time ever. a guy who's just doing editing and I just want to shout out to him, Brent. God bless you. You're a great editor and you're making us look beautiful. Editor Brent. Editor Brent. We got producer Adam. We got editor Brent. We got co-host, you and me. That's how this podcast works. And we thank you everyone for listening to it. We love you so much. Today's episode is brought to you by Mercy Corps. For more than three decades, Mercy Corps has worked in the West Bank and Gaza meeting critical humanitarian needs. Their programs have supported Palestinian communities by helping

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Mercy Corps is where you should go. That's M-E-R-C-Y-C-O-P-S-O-R-G. Please donate now. Daniel. Gaza needs your help right now. There's a, there's a rodent infestation. There's just, I mean, the conditions are worsening. It's terrible. It's terrible. And it's also being pushed out of the news by all of the other horrible shit that the United States is engaged in and Israel is engaged in. So people are, you know, getting their focus shifted away from the humanitarian crisis that's going on.

So please donate your money to a good cause, not just. But also, you know, get your name shouted out of the end of the episode. But you can do both. Daniel, what's a spin? Well, first of all, let me announce for anyone who is not on Spotify for moral or financial or any other reasons. Sure. First of all, salute to you.

I have gone ahead and made a Google Doc that captures all of the albums currently on the What's the Spin playlist. So you could create your own and your own streaming. service or just, you know, check out what albums you might want to check out. It's bit.ly slash what's the spin list. Producer Adam, thank you for the catchy little URL. Appreciate that. Yeah, so what's the spin today?

Well, you've heard, you know, I'm trying to keep it down to six albums a week. I've heard. And you've heard of the game six degrees of separation? Yeah, it usually has to do with Nicholas Cage. That's right, or Kevin Bacon. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, Kevin Bacon also. I do it with Bruce Willis.

I decided to try and do Bruce Willis. Yeah, I just, I just don't want. Mark Hamill. You put me on the spot. Okay, Mark Hamill. Mark Hamill was in fucking Star Wars. I'm too tired for this. If you can get it to Mace Windu, then you've got Pulp Fiction.

That's a very good. That's good. That's true. Wait. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you did it. Except Hamill. Okay, so, all right, Mark Hamill was in a bunch of Star Wars movies,

and one of them had Frank Oz, playing Yoda. Yes, that's the connection. And Yoda was in the Mace. Also Anthony Daniels as C3PO and. Yeah, I figured that too. Yeah, it also works. Thank you for the assist, but I could have done it on my own if I wasn't so tired. Mark Hamill was in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Bagheed with Kevin Bacon,

who was in Die Hard with a Vengeance with B. Willie. See? Not so hard. But here's what's harder. Try doing six degrees of separation from oneself. And here's what I mean. Let me start with this album, Lee Morgan, Indeed. Lee Morgan's a fantastic trumpet player from the Golden Age of Jazz.

And there's a song on here called Gaza Strip. Okay. Believe it or not. Which is the reason I bought the album. I had to have a song called Gaza Strip. Okay. The album is called Indeed. On the De La Sol album, Art Official Intelligence, Mosaic Thumb,

There's a song called Set the Mood featuring the rapper indeed. I see. I see what we're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, connecting them to each other. That's right. But it has to circle back to the first one by the sixth one. Oh, a Laurent. We call that a Lerrand.

Yeah, Arrond. So the song is called Set the Mood. Well, Duke Ellington has a famous song, Moot Indigo. I actually don't own it in my collection. It's been covered by a million jazz artists, but as far as I can find. But I do have a Duke Ellington album. the concert of sacred music.

Beautiful, beautiful. Nice. Do you ever see, sorry, The Little Mermaid? I know the songs from it. Okay, under the sea, there is a moment in which Sebastian's talking about all the different fish. You know, and he mentions one as the Duke of Soul. And if you look at that fish, it is Duke Ellington ass fish. It is. They just put Duke Ellingen's face on a fish, which is great up until you get to the blackfishy's black. And then it's a black face fish going, wah. And that's, that's problematic.

But Sebastian himself is clearly Caribbean. So what's the problem? Yeah, that's a good point. It's a good point. Is it really, is it really racist if the crab is also a crab. Exactly. So mood indigo. Got to go for the Indigo girls. This is their Not at their debut But their eponymous album With Closer to Find All that Oh, that's them And there's

Yeah Oh yeah Yeah From the Barbie movie That's the old girls Great tune I went to the doctor I went to the mountains

Yeah Yeah yeah yeah So a couple of possible links To the next album There's a song on here called Prince of Darkness And on Third bass

The Cactus album There's a song Called Triple Stage Darkness I prefer This connection Indigo Girls Girls is that song by the Beastie Boys, that sexist song about getting girls to do your laundry. And the first song on this album is called Sons of Third Base.

It's a total diss of the Beastie Boys. Really? By the other white rap group of the time, third base, who were excellent. MC Surge is Jewish. What I thought you're going to say. Wait, are they also Jewish? MC Search is. I don't think Prime Minister Pete Nice is.

He's the other rapper. But they're both white. There they are. See how Jewish that guy looks? I guess. Yeah. Anyway. So Sons of Third Base, Beast Bois reference.

Okay. The Jewish guy in third base is named MC Search. So I've got the song Strip Search by Faith No More on Album of the Year, which leads us back to Gaza Strip. Yes. Strip Search. Beautiful. I did it. He did it, guys.

It turns out all of these guys did a movie with Bruce Willis. That's what it's saying. Yeah, exactly. Thank you so much for that. And we have a wonderful show for you guys. We actually, we're going to get to our guest after the break. He is a returning champion. Miko Pellid is back.

You'll see him in a few minutes. But first, we have some other stuff that we're going to do before we get to our interview with Miko Pellet. And the first thing I want to do is point out something that, you know, when you find something in the Hasbarosphere that is only, you know, only, you know, something that you and your other anti-Zionist friends will appreciate. All the time. Because you try to send things, you know, if I try to send Daniel Ryan Spalding shit to

someone, everyone's just like, oh, who's this gay fascist? And I was like, I don't have time to explain who he is. Just so I found a Nootishby video. You just dropped a hard F bomb there. What did I say? Tell me. The F slur, the fascist slur? You called him a gay fascist.

For a second, I was like, did I black out and become homophobic? Yes, that's true. That brings me back to the school yard, calling kids gaylord homophascists. That's right. I used to do it all the time. That's how we rolled in communist school. But I found a video from Noah Tishby. Well, I have two videos.

One that I want to play in which, you know, I'm not really sure what her technical job is ever since being laid off. by the Israeli government, but she's kind of trying to create new streams of content for herself and new streams of income. It's new streams of service, Matt. I think she's trying to be of service. That's true. She's trying to be a service. She's trying to help out other Zionists in need. A Zionist in need is a Zionist indeed. And here she is with a little service that she is going to help all of us out with. Have a wonder what Zionism is. Yes.

the time. What, what else? Judaism is, oh, why the world can't stop talking about a tiny country like Israel? Hmm. Hi, I'm Noah Tishby. I am a best-selling author and I'm Israel's former special envoy for combating anti-Semitism. How's that going for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. How's, are you combating it? Are you still combating it? It seems like, probably, probably working out great.

I've been hearing questions like, is Israel an apartheid state? Why does the word Zionism scare? I decided to break it down. Introducing what is, but no attention to me. That's me. A series for the Jew Curious or the Zio Curious. All right. I just want to point out, she just said Zio Curious.

And officially, this makes Zio not a slur. Doesn't this officially just completely defang the idea that anyone who says Zio is a slur? No, it's not a slur. And the reason it's not a slur is because, people who just learned about Zionism for the first time are like, seems like a kind of nice abbreviated version of Zionist. But my only concern, Matt, is she could flip it in a different direction and say that, you know, Zio-curious is like bi-curious, which means that if you're Zio-in-curious, you might be a

bigot, you know. Oh, that's true. I mean, let's be honest, 100% she's going to try to add a Z to LGBTQ. She's 100. She's going to remove the T and she's going to be LGBTZ 100% guaranteed. Watch. You watch, you watch. But he's curious real.

Short, clear, fun answers to big misunderstood topics. Like, for real, not the propaganda. What is the land of Israel? Judaism. Antisemitism. The Holocaust. Subscribe to my YouTube. Text with me on 81840A 4344.

Any kind of updates. See soon. All right. So I am 100% going to be texting Nootishby directly asking lots of questions about Zionism. Yeah. I'm very excited. I'm about to love bomb that service. I'm about the curiosity bomb.

I miss you so much, babe. Whenever you give out like a full, like, because that phone number, I was like, that's, was that an 818 area code? Is she in the valley? Like, I think I'm just going to drive over and see if I could visit. So I saw that video and it led me to another video, a much more important video. Noah Tishby is someone who, you know, she says her credits right there. She goes, I'm a bestselling author. And I used to work in the propaganda department at Israel.

But the way that she is described and the way that she's presented is almost like, oh, this already famous person is very pro-Israel. She is not an already famous person. I did an episode of A Bit Fruity with Matt Bernstein for his Patreon. And in that episode, he did all the research about Notitishby. Turns out, I've been wrong about her this whole time. I thought she was famous from being on CSI or like NCIS or some fucking network show. No, absolutely not.

She was Mrs. Israel. She was, you know, she won like a beauty contest. And then she became sort of just a propagandist for the state of Israel and moved to L.A. in order to, for the state of Israel, be a propagandist towards celebrities. So the amazing thing about her is that her entire vibe is that of someone who is already known. And that really comes true in this next video that I'm going to play for you, Daniel. Yeah, never seen it. And Daniel, this is a challenge.

Okay. The challenge is to see how long you can stomach this before you... just don't feel good enough about yourself to watch it. If you cringe out, you are allowed to cringe out. But if you do, you've got to let me know, okay? Okay, so this is a kind of somatic experiencing exercise. I stay in touch with my gut feelings, pay attention to the cues in my body, feel if I'm embracing, having a trauma response, all that stuff.

Right. It's kind of like those videos or people put water in their mouth and they watch funny videos to see if they, you know. Now, am I allowed to do EMDR or tapping while I'm doing this to ground myself? or do I just have to, I don't have recourse to that. You have to, you are straight up, you know, clockwork orange style watching this shit. I'm going to put my hands behind my back and pretend that my eyelids are glued open.

Exactly. Here it is. Yes. You have to deal with the notes. In the dream that you dare to lead to, come true. I know Oh no!

Oh no, don't do it! Today I wish upon a star and wake up when the clouds are far behind. Not enough re-burbon all of Abby Road. Oh my God! When trouble melts like lemon drops, I have all the chimney tops that's where...

The chimney, huh? I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't. The face. The face is when you actually see her singing, like, just the trying to produce noise out of that instrument. Dude, I have yet to get through that video. I can't do it. There's something about someone being flat that it's like glass in my brain. Yeah.

Like, it's like I can't. Flat and passionate at the same time is worse. Yes. Yes. Confidently flat. Confidently. Yeah. Where it's just like, they're there.

They're doing the face of a guy, you know, like crushing it. You know, it's like if you did John Mayer face during a solo, but it was just dog shit. Imagine there's no pitch correction. It's easy if you try. Thank you, Adam. Well, look, on one hand, it's terrible and cringe-worthy. You saw my face. It was horrible.

And the other hand, I do feel somewhat vindicated by that video because the version of over the rainbow that she's doing. And by the way, it's not as cringe But it's also not as entertaining As when we had that guy doing it Remember at that conference in Israel? Oh, yeah. When he sang the name of the piano The piano player

But he was doing just somewhere over the rainbow Just the actual, not the Israel, whatever his name is. Israel, I bet she chose it. Yeah, yeah, the Hawaiian guy of blessed memory Who's name is Israel. I'm sure that's why she chose it. That's right.

Yeah, yeah. The only Israel I recognize is the late great Israel. Yeah. Kamakavioole. Yeah. Kamakavole. All right. So what I want to say about that is for years, in fact, when that version first came out,

and no disrespect to this man who seemed lovely and meant a lot to a lot of people. But when that version first came out and went viral, it was one of the first sort of viral feel-good moments of the internet. A hundred percent. viral songs, I was like, this is a bad omen. Because just taking the Yip Harburg and Harrell Arlen song Somewhere Over the Rainbow, erasing the actual melody and just putting a couple of simple ukulele chords under it

just takes away to me. And it, I just could never, the lyric just didn't come through for me in that version. And I was like, this is all about feels and vibes and like some vague thing that were being primed to now, like, it's lubricating some new circuit in our brain. I'm like, I don't like this. I don't want anything to do with it.

He messed the lyrics up. He moved things around, so the lyric wasn't even intact. It's a medley with a wonderful world. What a wonderful world. Yeah. Right, right. So it's, so it's vindicated, it's vindicating for me to see the tackiest person. Like, it was always such an Israeli coded cover version is what I'm saying.

I mean, literally. Sorry Israel, but it just was. RIP to Israel, Kamak, Vy Vol-A. Who I'm sure would be a strong anti-Zionist if he was alive. I bet you he would too. But yeah, no, I mean, listen, I've never been a huge fan of that song. That song pretty much exists for, like, compilations of crying grandmas at graduation. But, like, I know that people enjoy that, you know, music.

He has a bunch of other great songs that are not. that. Okay, great. That's good to know. That deserve some recognition. To me, that song is not that song without the octave that opens the melody. Hmm, interesting. Somewhere. I mean, that's true. That's true. It's just you take that out and I don't know what you've got. Also, I think the, what is it? Like, you know, that, I guess it's a bridge. So da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Go like, you know, fucking half tones to whole tones. and then all the way back up. Oh, yes, that's right.

What is that, a fourth? It's just like, it is a truly beautiful song. His version is cute, but you're right. I feel like not after, not long after that. It's too easy for yoga teachers. It's just too easy for mediocre environments to employ that version. Like, it really is. Yeah, you're right.

Because all you have to feel is something vague. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a sort of like, it's like, You know, it's the musical version of fucking Soma from Brave New World. You know, it's just like a mind-numbing drug that makes you go like, oh, everything's chill. Yeah, so welcome to Bad His Bar, the world's most, you know, we're anti-Syodoration podcast. That's right.

We hate all Israel's. We hate all Israel's on this podcast. Moving on to our next subject. This is a subject that everyone's been talking about. once again I hate to bring it up but Tucker Carlson has once again been put into

the ring with the left row we are forced to be the drive by Tucker's that's right he does this so often you know it's not even really you know I'm no longer you know saying well you know

here's I'm giving credit to it's not even about Tucker anymore it's not at this point It is just him being boosted by people who are just that convinced that they can take him on while still maintaining a dishonest version of Israel in their head. And it's people showcasing how ghoulish they are by making him look good. Right. And that's why we are now forced to do a segment whenever this happens. This segment is called Tuck My Life.

There is our new bumper for Tuck My Life. Tucker Carlson. He was recently interviewed in a New York Times podcast called The Interview and host was at Lulu Garcia Navarro and he got to talking about Israel. She went to Maine and sat down with him in his breakfast nook apparently. Went to the breakfast nook and sat down with Tucker. I will say this because already there's been a lot. of discourse about Lulu's politics and whatnot.

This is not her first time talking about Israel, and she has actually been at least competently talking about it with adversarial figures for a while. She did do a great interview with the ADL's John Greenblatt, in which she cornered him into hearing a definition of genocide that pissed him off so much that he retweeted people saying she was anti-Semitic for doing that. Okay. She also did an interview with Anthony Blinken, uh, in which she asked, uh, this question. Do Secretary Blinken worry that perhaps you have been presiding over what the world will see

as a genocide? No. Uh, it's not, first of all. Like, like this, this, this, this fucking. scumbag. I forgot how much I hated him. Oh, yeah. Second, as to how the world sees it, I can't fully answer to that.

I mean, just watching him immediately just go, no, I don't worry about that at all. And also, who knows how the world views it? He knows how the world views it. What a slam ball. Now, are we sure that's her? Because she looks like a different woman to me than

the woman in the Tucker video. No, that's her. that is Lulu Garcia Navarro. And so, you know, with those questions, I thought she did, you know, at least a competent job. Those are real good questions. Yeah. Yes. Then with all that confidence built up, it was time to take on Tucker Carlson. And here is the clip of Tucker and Lulu talking about many things, but most importantly, Nick Fuentes here.

we go. Who do you think is more morally repulsive? Ted Cruz or Nick Fuentes? Who do you think is more morally repulsive? Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is a sitting U.S. senator who has called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong, whole populations who advocated for this war. Nick Fuentes is like a kid. He's like 26 or 70. He has no power except his words. here you have a public official who we pay, who has actual power, who's voting for things, who's making policy decisions. And those decisions would include,

in fact, they are focused on the murder of people who did nothing wrong. And yet no one thinks it's a big deal. Well, this is totally fine. I mean, if there's tape of Nick Fuentes saying we should kill people because we need their parents. He has some kind of chip in his brain where every 90 seconds,

he has to either do, or, I don't know. Or. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, that's just... He can't be normal for too long. Yeah, that's, yeah, exactly. There's just a ticking clock in his brain that says, do something strange.

Yeah. Or it's okay to kill children. I would love to see the tape because that's disgusting. And that's based what the entire U.S. Senate does every single day. And no one notices. Nick Fuentes said something naughty that I disagreed with. He made fun of things that I don't think... I would never make fun of them.

He's a white nationalist who's denied the Holocaust. And what I will say, from my own understanding, from my understanding of my own, you know, I was just in Germany recently. And, you know, it was such a good reminder that the Holocaust didn't start with the gassing of Jews. It started with the dehumanization of Jews. It was language that was used. The Holocaust didn't start with the gassing of Jews. The Holocaust started with the denial that the Holocaust was going to happen 10 years later. later. Yeah, it is, oh, God, it is, there's so much to say.

I couldn't agree more. And that's why when you have a U.S. senator, a member of Congress, a U.S. ambassador, waving away civilian deaths as if they don't matter, that's the language of genocide, which results, and this is the lesson of the Holocaust, in genocide itself. And it has. So the less. I mean, fucking just, like, that's a word out of place, not a word out of place. That is a dog walking of whatever point Lula, Lulu was trying to make there. I mean, just he says, I completely agree with you. And also here is how your point, how language is used first in order to enable genocide is happening right now.

Yeah. Really, watching all of this is that this can happen in civilized countries. In all human beings, there is the capacity to ignore the evil rights. in front of you. And my point is it's happening right now. And my job, to the extent I have one, I don't really have a job, but I just want to remind people that we're all capable of that, including me, and that we're watching it right now. And if you think that Nick Fuentes is a greater threat to other human beings than Ted Cruz, I would love to know how. I can imagine people hearing this and thinking you are soft peddling Nick Fuentes. You are...

Just like, I can imagine people hearing this and it's just... just your editor. I can imagine people hearing this and thinking, God damn it, Lulu, you fucked that up. It's not what we planned. I can imagine people hearing this, and it's the organization camera, which is set up specifically to monitor the New York Times

and other newspapers to see the new anti-Israel stuff and pulling the dildo out of his ass. Right. Rather roughly and, you know, tearing a membrane. Yeah. It is just God. I'm hardly soft peddling Nick Fuentes. I'm trying to awaken people to killing of innocence in our midst,

which we are not only encouraged to ignore, but really told to ignore on pain of being denounced. And I'm just saying, no, I'm not doing that. Oh, it is. It's brutal to watch shit like this because, you know, this is just one of a million different examples of, like mainstream institutional media boosting a

prominent right-wing anti-Zionist voice and you know in their attempt to try to tie sort of the right-wing ideology to their anti-Zionist beliefs and say like hey isn't this painted with some white nationalist shit going on

in their attempt they end up completely looking like the psychopath well because they give him an opportunity to speak very human ecumenistically, ecumenically, and not based on any apparent right-wing, certainly not even racist or white nationalist dogma. Everything he said there was, is in its essence. First of all, it's correct.

Secondly, it's founded in principles any sane human being can get behind. Now, whatever else he has in his little ideological grab bag, that's a separate question. But for the purposes of these interviews, and he's very skilled. he he's got a kind of judo like ability to move with the energy of his opponent and expose them. But it's also not even like, you know, eventually I just get to the point where I'm mad at the fact that like it's not even judo. The dude is just simply able to be honest about what he sees. He's simply able to not exceptionalize the state of Israel or the Jewish. experience of bigotry of anti-Semitism.

He is, instead of exceptionalizing it, he's putting it all on the same equal ground. Genocide against one group of people is just as bad as genocide against another group of people. And making false historical claims about genocides from 80, 90 years ago is not as bad as genociding a group of people now. Right. Which is obvious. Yes.

I'm not saying it's good. No, of course. And that's the thing. I feel like bad because I feel like Lulu was attempting to do the thing that a lot of like these liberal institutional media people do, which is not ever have an opinion because of the fact that they're trying to be an unbiased reporter. That's, I understand why. The problem is, is that when you're presented with a choice of who is more ghoulish or however he put it, you know, a famous white nationalist online and a. person in power, in government right now, who is advocating and getting what he wants in terms of bombing Iran. He's getting more apartheid in Israel, more ethnic cleansing, more genocide. It's obvious to anyone who is allowed to speak freely about it. To anyone who's not trying to placate the myriad fucking organizations that are dead set on destroying anybody who, uh,

speaks out against Israel. It is like, so liberal media are always hamstrung. They're always hamstrung with him. And it's not, to me, it's not him doing judo. It's just like, it's just one person who is able to hit targets and the other one who's just like, I'm a little bit, I don't really block so much as I want to talk this out. It's like one person's a boxer, the other person's a baby. You know what I'm saying? It's, it's, it's, sure. I mean, I do, I do. I do. I, I do... I think he has skill. I'm not saying he doesn't have skill.

This is the thing. He has rhetorical skill. Yes. He's equally good as an interviewer and an interviewee. Yes. I agree. I agree. I'm...

I agree. I'm... ...that follow a clearly followable kind of logic that doesn't require that you have gone to, you know, some fancy university. I understand it. But at the same time is delivered with a certain degree of articulateness, I think is not something that everyone has, including a lot of the people who share his views. Megan Kelly can't do that.

that. Take Candice Owens can't do it. They can do what they do with a different kind of attitude, but it's nastier. You know, he's able to at least affect a kind of thoughtful, reasonable, even just saying the bare minimum, like the patently obvious and his incredulity at the fact that the person he's speaking to. Now, that might be part of a performance, but it's a very effective one. Right.

Yeah. And I think it's hard to. it's hard to overstate how bad this is in terms of, if you're going to interview Tucker Carlson, you have to be able to be honest. You have to be honest about what is worse. Like words can lead to genocide, but genocide is genocide. And when he asks you, you know, that question, you could go out and say, look, the fact that you are putting these two things at odds is. a bullshit rhetorical tactic and I'm not going to buy into it.

But you have to acknowledge, obviously words are violence, but violence is violence and it's just too simple. Everybody sees it. But the New York Times simply cannot do that. You know, the only person who would be able to do that would be say, maybe a Graham Platner or an actual leftist who Tucker would speak to

who could, you know, or, you know, if Finkelstein was to go on that show again. And would say, Tucker, I think you're completely disingenuous when you talk about sort of this innocent United States being bamboozled by Israel or these Western values that are being corrupted by this Middle Eastern state since when have we had them and just lay out the receipts to show that his premise, you know, and also that his false indignation that Trump became this and he got bamboozled and Trump has this crazy energy around him. And, you know, I don't know if you saw that clip from the same interview where he talks about how Trump.

can hypnotize people and he turns people into cowards. And I'd say, well, Tucker, like, do you have the humility to consider that maybe people who are prone to cowardice are attracted to him in the first place? Right. And that people who can be craven, you know, and that if you've apologized already for doing it, can you go a little further and be like, yeah, it was expedient? Sure. It was cynical.

That's how you have to interview him. But that also means to treat him with a certain degree of, to treat his strengths with a degree of respect. Yes. So you can find his weaknesses. And also treat, you know, stop having the voices in your head be your editor or be the, you know, people who work at camera or who work at, you know. Yeah, Jonathan Greenblatt at the ADL. Those can't be the voices in your head because I'm sorry, but we have normalized in the United States and in the West the fringe position.

We are doing the fringe thing by even by even questioning things. like, is this a genocide or is this apartheid? The rest of the world and all of the human rights organizations, they all know what this is. So, you know, I understand the need to want to seem detached or be an objective journalist. But apartheid and genocide, I'm sorry, they're objective facts. So you can't go into this conversation mealy-mouthed. And I think this is the thing with liberals. The mealy-mouthness of it is why no one trusts these institutions anymore.

and it's why, you know, no one, it's why no one likes fucking lips anymore. Every, it is just, ugh. Also, I'll give her credit for those interviews she did with Blinken and, what's his name? But Greenblatt, I didn't know about them. But generally speaking, who the fuck is the New York Times to be lecturing anyone about interviewing anyone?

I know. About how they do or don't hold, you know, hypocrites, liars, murderers, racists, thugs to a, count. There's just no moral standing except this kind of assumed liberal preening that they think will go over well with their readership. Yeah. And it's hard to, it's hard to stomach, you know, it's seeing it so much and the effect that it has. Because, you know, I'll tell you what that's going to do for a lot of people watching it. There's going to be the liberal New York Times liberals who see Tucker Carlson and just automatically, you know, are, you know, I.

I hate him. Fuck you. But then there's also a lot of just fucking Normies who, uh, you know, are going to be like, wow, you know, uh, he, uh, made, made some good points. And you've, you know, you've made then a conservative, um, you know, anti-Zionist, uh, voice. Uh, you've, you've, you've boosted them instead of, you know, I don't know, get norm on there. Get, you know, fuck. There are a number of, there are a number of, uh, sort of Carlson hating New York Times type people and, and people, you know, also in the progressive world. who tried to find other clips from that interview that really supposedly showed him to be an absolute liar,

like transparently being called out. There's one where he said, fact-checking that he never said Trump is the Antichrist or whatever. And he did say, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then they deceptively edited it to pretend as if the New York Times showed him the video and he'd still didn't. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Any of those things compared to what we just witnessed? are a misdemeanor. They are, you know, they are, they are, they are, those are, those are safety's field goals at best when he just scored 20 touchdowns on you. Exactly. And, and, you know, this is why, you know, the, you know, when it comes to the state of our politics now, Israel is such a strong litmus test for people, for, for the realness of people. because if you are not able to call out a genocide,

that, I mean, it's been two and a half years, folks. At some point, it is just, you have to accept the objective fact here. You know, if you can't do it, then, yeah, everything else feels a little bit muted, a little bit disingenuous. And, you know, this is why, you know, I just watch this video. I'm going to show you guys of Barack Obama, who was being heckled at an event. Before we go to break, I wanted to play this because this is just a perfect, example of why nobody trusts. By the way, another person who's objectively way more toxic and destructive than Nick Fuentes. Yeah. Nick Fuentes never drone bombed a wedding in his life. I know.

And it's like, like to just to talk about that point for a second, the idea that you in any way could hedge on the idea on on the question of, well, who is more destructive, who is done more evil? someone who is in power in American politics or someone who streams if you're saying it's someone who streams I'm sorry but you're fucking you are delusional

Who stinks worse? Someone who works in a in a shit factory in the pits of hell or someone who just sniffs their own farts all day on the internet. Yeah, yeah and it's like it's not to say that you know someone like Fentes

couldn't gain power. Sure. That's totally possible. And some people say he's got, he has influence with certain people in Senate or Congress or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, the idea, well, he has influence with people in Congress. The gamekeeper there is the people with the power.

Yeah. Why do you think? Ted Cruz has more influence over Ted Cruz. Yeah. I feel like I'm going insane with this fucking logic. Yeah. You know, it's like it is just totally insane. Meanwhile, what kind of leaders?

Adam's backstage laughing his head off. at his own joke that neither of us got. Oh, I missed it. I'm bad it was good, though. I don't come to the shick factory and kick the turds out of your mouth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very good.

It's very good. You were right to laugh. But here is Barack Obama, another person who, yes, is objectively, or has objectively done more damage to the world than some fucking insult like Nick Quentin.

These liberals, they confuse likeability with morality. I know. I know. Obama's, of course, likable. Yeah, he seems like a nice guy. If you don't look at his actions,

he's charismatic, he's well-spoken, he can convey thoughtfulness, he can perform empathy. Ted Bundy seemed like a nice guy. This is the whole thing. And listen, I'm not saying that Barack Obama

is like going to go on a road trip and kill a bunch of women, but I'm saying his literal body count is higher than some fucking in cell who streams. Here it is. Ladies, get in the back seat of my

in. Let me be clear. I'm going to kill you. All right, here's, so someone is heckling him at this, at this event, and he's, and is screaming, do you think Palestinians are human? They do. And then he screams, will you call it a genocide? And this is where the hemming and hawing starts. Quiet. Well, now, here's the thing we have to do. Would you like to come up and take the mic? I'm not making light of this, right? But here's the – I'm happy to talk about this if it's a part of the question. Ham ha, ham ha.

Again, some rules around how we talk. Well, yes, there are disasters and catastrophes everywhere. sir, sir. I'm sorry, but like he, I wish I could address it, but I don't know if it's okay with the moderator. I mean, honestly, there is a bit there where he says, you know, there are rules. Now, you could read that as him saying, there are rules, as in don't yell at me, but that's not the rule he's talking about. He's talking about the language. The ground rules, how we talk means, How we talk means what words we are allowed to use or what words we consider to be off limits. And he's considering genocide to be off limits because you'll notice the first question asked by the heckler was, do you think Palestinians are human beings or something along the lines?

Do they have human rights? Of course they do. Of course they do. Do you think this is a genocide? Well, I'm hem, but ha, but hem but ha. Let's have some ground rules. And then he switches to there's everybody got problems, man. That's his next fucking point. Sir, I'm not the president of the United States currently. So there's no point in shouting at me.

It takes a while. I'm not in charge of foreign policy currency. Yeah. And I'm not in charge of foreign policy. And as you can tell from my behavior since I've been an ex-president, I don't think my public statements matter. I don't like the sound of my own voice much. And I wouldn't deign to speak up on anything, really,

because it's just not my place. And also when I was president, I had a few minor differences from the current policy. I'm a private figure now. And, you know, I'm a recluse. which is why I'm going to go on the recluse tour, 2026, throughout different counties who are experiencing elections. I'm going to cut recluse. Ragloose, I'm going to kick off the Sunday shoes.

Oh, my God. It just, it is so hard to watch at this point. And that's not to say that, like, I would totally get being mad at heckler, you know, or not wanting to speak to heckler. But when you feel the need to Hem and Hall at that question of genocide at this point, it just shows that liberals in general just they're fighting with their hands tied behind their back and hoping that the world will be okay with that, hoping that they can continue this fucking ruse that everyone is just so tired of.

It's just gaslighting to a point of, I mean, we're just not even. no one's a sucker for it anymore. There's no one to gas light. Yeah. I saw someone, you know, one of these libs raising the alarm about, you know, again, the giant fucking zamboni-sized lane that the Democrats are leaving open for people like Tucker Carlson. And they said something like, wake up Democrats. And I reposted it.

And I was like, I actually think they're. perfectly awake, bright-eyed, and bushy-tailed. I think they're just being themselves. I think this is them awake. Yes. This is them after three coffees. This is just them. This is just a normal day for them.

It's the only conclusion you can come to. You know, you think that they're, you think they're really asleep at the wheel just going like, geez, I didn't know this many people. They're literally hiding a report about what went wrong in 2026 or in 2024 with the election between Kamala Harris and Trump. That report is still not public, and they refuse to release it for the incredibly obvious reason that it just confirms what we all knew all along, which was that y'all decided to be completely soulless when it came to talking about Palestinians and talking about genocide, that people were like, I just don't feel, I don't feel energized. They're not asleep at the wheel. They're popping pills in the passenger seat.

Yeah, this is what they do. This is what they're doing. And it's impossible to look at, to draw any other conclusion. There's no learning curve here. They are cowards. And I'm sure at some point they'll look at where the, you know, which way the wind is blowing. But until they take a fucking lesson from Tucker Carlson, even their worst version of him. And make a fraudulent apology.

Yeah. You know, like, like if you think he's fake. faking it? Why don't you fucking fake it for one? You fake it. I would love it. We were, like, at least the podjons have done, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, they're quite sincere. And they're, they're, they're, they're, they're building on it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. The Democrats could, could, could, could, could do that. They could even do the fake version of it. And it would make some kind of difference.

These motherfuckers are, yeah, you cannot talk shit about like, oh, you know, this is all. He's just doing a grift. You grift, do it. I fucking double dare you. When he says, I'm happy to talk about this, prove it. And you just won't. You won't because there has to be ground rules that don't allow you to go out on a limb and say the things that you know you're not allowed to say. And it's unfortunate.

Anyways, guys, we somehow have so much more show for you. I wore the right shirt today, man. I know, look at that. There's some fucking evil going on. Yeah, some evil. Two evils. Let me be clear. I'm polite and evil.

Watch my new show with Mr. Beast. On Netflix. Salam al-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a. Michael Brooks used to do the really good impression. Yeah. If Obama was in the nation of Islam, I was like, oh, so good. All right, guys, we do have to take a little break, but everyone, stick around, listen to these commercials, don't join the CIA, and we'll be right back. Oh, you want to hear this interview.

Do not go anywhere. That's right. And we're back. This is Badass Bar, the World's Most Moral Podcast. It is time to introduce our guest. Really excited to have this guest back. this is a returning bad Hasbara champion. He is the author of the general's son and the founder and president of Palestine Freedom House.

Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome back to the podcast, Miko Pellet. I love an exciting intro. I'm sorry. Good to be with you. Thank you. It's Palestine House of Freedom. Oh, yes. Literally the only Jew based in a Palestine House that we'd be happy to talk to.

Yeah, that's right. That's right. Because you built it or you helped create it. How are things going? I mean, I visited you in December and got to look at the space there in D.C. It was incredible what you guys have done there, that whole back open, like, courtyard area and almost like an amphitheater in the back. How have things been the first quarter of this year? Well, we're busy as we want to be, which is good. We just had a big event here yesterday out in the courtyard that you mentioned,

a fundraiser for Gaza, that some other group had. There's vendors and food and kids' activities. So there's a vibe that's really fun, and people come and feel like they're actually doing something as opposed to just hearing a lecture, which we have lectures and movies too, but the kind of activities where people are actually engaged in something, you know, drawing a mural and having kids do stuff. And, you know, it's really, really nice. We're really become the hub here in Washington for that sort of activity.

Fantastic. And it's free. I mean, all the different allies use this place, all the other orgs, ally orgs use the space. And it's really wonderful to be part of that. And then we have our own things that we're working on, like outreach to Congress and a curriculum and all the events that we have. We've got a big event and a very solemn one prepared for. for May 17, which is we're going to commemorate Nakabah Day that day.

Yeah. And so we're preparing for that. How is it that Yom Ha Tzmaud and Nakpada are in different days a month apart? Because the Israeli Independence Day follows the Hebrew calendar. Oh, I see. Not the, yeah, not the... And it also follows the Advent calendar, the Zionist Advent calendar of Yomashua, Yomazikaron. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So they commemorates all three. The stations of the six-pointed star. Sure. I think of it like a Christmas Advent calendar instead of chocolate, though. It's just every day you get a Xanax.

And a bigger portion of Xanax every day. Oh, yeah, yeah. Every time it just gets bigger. Zionax. Zion X, yeah. It helps you forget the crimes. Yes. Miko, the last time you were on, we talked about the General Sun, a fantastic book. highly recommend to anyone

who is looking to read something and you have something else coming out soon that you sent us just a chapter of can you tell us a little bit about this book that you're currently working on? Sure, of course, I'm happy to. I can talk about it all day long.

So a few years ago... And if you could include in the answer, what is an anti-Semite like you're doing writing about Jews? That's right. There we go, you know. I mean, who would have thought, right? Who would have thought, yeah.

Who would have thought? But, you know, it's not a completely ridiculous question because when you're raised as an Israeli, a good Israeli, secular Israeli Zionist, you learn to hate the Orthodox Jews. That's right. The ultra-Orthodox community and the Arabs. Right. Those other two communities that are, in many ways, the Palestinians, certainly indigenous, the ultra-Orthodox communities, I mean, many of them predate the state by a lot.

So we learn to hate them because the ultra-Orthodox burned the Israeli flag on Independence Day. They don't serve in the army. They're parasites. They're ugly. They're backward and on and on and on. It's always an image that is always very confusing, I think, for a lot of people. when they see Orthodox Jews being beat with batons by IDF soldiers. Dragged out into the street and dragged out into the street.

It's one of those things that I think for a lot of people doesn't make any sense because as far as most people know, they're like, wait, I thought in this, in the whole point of Israel that they don't do this to Jews? No, but that's a complete misunderstanding. As we talked about when my brother was on the first time, that the reason we had to form a state is everyone else has been beating the shit out of us for 2,000 years. Now we get to do it ourselves. That's right. And what's interesting is secular liberal Jews and even very progressive ones are just as hateful of the ultra-Orthodox community,

even though they show up to the protests and they're always, you know, they keep their space and they're very, you know, respectful of everybody. When I talk to people in the community, the Jewish progressive community, they're always like, they make these statements that I didn't think progressives, you know, think in those terms, they hate women. They are da-da-da-da-da. They're so backward. First of all, who's they? Have you visited their homes? Have you spoken to anyone? Have you met women from that community? Because I have. And so, and the way this started for me was, growing up in Jerusalem, their neighborhoods are over there and we don't go there because, you know, we're supposed to hate them and so on. And then one day, it was 2014 during one of the massacres in Gaza, and on their billboards, which is where they put all the news and all the information because there are no TVs and no computers and so on.

I saw this huge notice about the horrific crimes once again committed by the Zanzibanked. Zionists, you know, a cry to the heavens for these children in Gaza. And I thought, wait a minute, they got this right from the very beginning. They have been the only Jewish resistance to Zionism that still exists today and exist in Palestine. There is no other Jewish resistance anymore for Zionism, certainly not within historic Palestine. And so are they all, are they, are they all or are they mainly descendants of the Palestinian Jews that lived their pre-state? Or was there a wave of immigration that contributed to those communities? It's a combination. It's a combination. I mean, their native language or the language that uses Yiddish. So it's a result of the Jews

that used to live within the old city. And then sometime in the 19th century, late 18th century, Jewish philanthropists built communities for them outside the walls of the old city because it was too small. And that's what Meash Arim is. If you've been to Jerusalem, Meash Arim was built then and still exist, except there's a lot more people living there. It's much more crowded. So anyway, so moving forward, eventually at one point they were coming down here to D.C. for protests. And I just decided to approach one of the rabbis, the rabbi wise, actually, who's always there. and said, I introduced myself, and I said, you know, I'd like to talk to you guys to this community, learn more, and perhaps write a book.

Now, which specifically, which community is this? So the communities that I've been in touch with are the community in New York, in the state of New York, the community in London in Stanford Hill, and the community in Jerusalem. Specifically, Haredi Jews? Yeah, these are Haredi Jews. These are all Haredi, ultra-Orahic Jews. And Natura Khartah? Is that the Niterkarta?

So Nurturikaarta is the activist group. Okay, okay, got it. And it's not like, it's not like an actual organization or anything like that. But the Nurtukarta have always been at the forefront of the fight against Zionism for lots of different reasons. And the name Nurtukarta comes from a story where this well-known rabbi went to another city, visited another city. And he asked the people there, where are the guardians? of the city and they showed him the guards the soldiers and he said no no no they are not the guardians of the city the guardians of the city are the scribes the writers you know the you know the people the

spiritual people are the guards who's guarding their soul yeah yeah so that's the name the turakarta so the turakarta is is the activist group but the community by and large the jaredi community by and large is, has always been anti-Zionists. And even now, like you were describing in Jerusalem, the reason they're getting beat up is, besides the fact that they're hated, is that they refuse to serve in the military. Right. And today, there are some 40,000 draft age young men in that community. And the army, I guess, needs more people to commit genocide. I mean, it's hard work for these guys. And so, They need these 40,000 young men.

And they're saying, we will die and we will not serve in your army. And in Meashireem, when you walk through, and I think I describe it in that chapter, you see these big signs. You know, a Jew is not a Zionist. A Jew will never participate in the elections. A Jew will not serve in the army, in their army. And where they're confronted with Zionists, they say to that, we will not serve in your army. This whole state thing was your idea.

For us, the Holy Land is about worship. It's not about sovereignty. You know, we wanted the Arabs to stay, and we were perfectly fine living under Arab sovereignty way back in the day. So it's been a very interesting journey. So I've traveled to their communities. I spent Shabbas in their homes. I was, you know, they took me around. I spent days there and nights there.

Same thing in London. Same thing in Jerusalem. And around Jerusalem. I met with some of these activist anti-draft activists that are being hunted down by the police. and in that chapter, I think I described how they thought I was... Getting rocks around at you. I was one, yeah, and so I got stones thrown at me because they thought I was a detective.

A detective coming to grab the deserters. Get out of here, copper, see? We're Orthodox around here, see? It's the Sabbath. Day of rest, get out of here, copper. Something like that, yeah. And so, but yeah, so it's been very interesting. I've managed to slaughter all the, throwaway, I should say,

all the misconceptions that I had about that community, about women in the community, about this. And when I started talking to them, to the different rabbis, I started with the questions that are out there. Like, you know, why are you, you know, people say that this community suffers from serious misogyny, you know, homophobia, all these different things. I put it right up front.

Let's talk about these things right away. And of course, I didn't know what to expect because I don't know anything about the community. And the responses I got and the willingness to engage in a conversation about all the different issues was really, to me, it was enlightening and very, very interesting. Now, granted, I couldn't live like them and they couldn't live like me. Sure. But they managed to do two things that are incredible. One is maintain the integrity of who they are as a community. And a second thing that they did that very few Jewish communities were able to do is to replicate what they had before the Nazis, you know, wiped out millions of that community.

They were able to come back and they speak the language, they wear the clothes, they study the same, the same. scriptures, and I think it's because they were able to maintain their education system that they were able to rebuild. And you know, it's really interesting. There's this other book that came out by Molly Crabapple about the Bund. Well, the Bund was the other Jewish community that was a very strongly anti-Zionist. They existed in Europe. They existed in New York.

And they were destroyed by the Nazis. And then what was left of them was destroyed by the Zionists. that replaced Jewish culture was Zionism. I think this community was able to sustain itself or recreate itself because it's, I think, faith-based. You know, it's interesting that the dedication to anti-Zionism would seemingly make the, you know, anti-Zionist Haredi Jewish population a natural ally to secular anti-Zionist Jews and left-wing, Israelis, left-wing Jews in the West. But from what I've seen, you, at least before October

7th, generally in sort of Jewish anti-Zionist spaces that were more secular, it was like, hey, everyone stopped boosting Naturae Karta because they're actually crazy, they're actually, you know, right-wing, all of that stuff. And I always found it strange. Was there, was there an allegiance or some sort of shared solidarity between the Israeli left at some point and these Haredi groups, or were they always just seen as like the separate strange thing? No, I think certainly not Israelis. But outside of, you know, progressive Jewish communities in general, like I said earlier, don't want to have anything to do with them.

Right. And it's all based on this presumption. It's a kind of secular Jewish anti-Semitism. It's a kind of a secular Jewish racism against that community, which existed since early Zionism, really. I mean, my parents, not so much my mother, but my father hated them and just despised them and would call them name.

I mean, it was really, you know, they really hated it. And, of course, that goes on until today. So, you know, it's very strange. So I have these conversation with, you know, anti-Zionist Jews and progressive Jews around here. And it's always like, oh, those people. In fact, I was talking to one publisher, and she said, oh, I can't publish a book about these people.

I can't publish a book about this community. And it's all based on ignorance and racism. Completely. And we're all, and we're diehard fundamentalist assimilationists in the progressive Jewish world. And just like the early Zionists, there's this embarrassment of anything. thing. And I wonder the connection between, you said that the two communities it's okay to hate

in Israel would be the Heredim and the, quote, quote, the Arabs, right? Now that the Mizrahi Jews, the Arab Jews have been successfully converted into Israelis and become some of the most, you know, rabid, you know, Arab haters. And I just wonder that, you know, there's a fundamental, it's like, I wonder if it speaks to the fundamental lack of indigenousity. in the Israeli psyche, that you cannot be connected to something truly ancient and continuous and be worthy of inclusion in that society,

that if you're connected to an actual intact thread of culture and tradition, then you're going to put something above the idea of nationalism. You're going to have something to be true to, whether it's Palestinians who are true to the land, and they let the land inform the way they live and how they sing and how they dance and how they dress and how they eat, right,

as opposed to being cosmopolitan and of the world, or being part of it, like Matt said, a faith-based tradition, which, yeah, is going to put you at odds culturally with some of the mores of modern Western society. Do you think there's something to that that in the Israeli psyche, anything that is a link to the recent past is suspect, which ultimately means you have to reject your own Jewishness?

Yes, and this is because Zionism is based on lies. And so if you follow the Zionist mythology, it negates what the most observant Jewish communities say. And of course, it negates the Palestinian claims. And so you have to find a way to disregard them, hate them, get rid of them. And in fact, one of the ways in which the Zionists are trying to kill that community is through the draft. Because when you're in the military, you know, you can't be, you become secular. You can't, you know, you can't continue to do this. You know, and they've tried and it doesn't work.

And the other thing they're trying to do is they're trying to undermine their education system because their education is built 80, 90 percent on religious scripture. Yet somehow they're always very successful in other endeavors, whatever endeavors they get into, they're very, very successful and they've maintained the integrity of their community at the same time. but and this is the thing that they will also die for they will die to they will fight and die to preserve their education of the education of their children and you know it was um in ireland they were commemorating um the death of bobby sands just a few days ago the IRA volunteer who died in hunger strike um and he led it was he was one of uh 10 that died

of hunger strike. And his famous quote is, our revenge will be the laughter of our children. And when I'm in those communities and you see the children running and playing and, you know, being children as they are, but still dressed like their ancestors were before the Holocaust,

I thought, this is the revenge for the Nazis. This is the answer. Not the Zionists coming in with this military fascist perspective and destroying Palestine, but these people. So I'm thinking perhaps I will use that or some version of that as the title of the book and the first give credit to Bobby Sands.

Because this is the answer, because these are the people that the Nazis killed. And these are also the people that the Zionists didn't really care to save. I have that thought. Every week I drive through the Sartmar-Williamsburg community. on my way to and from therapy. And it's the slowest part of the drive

because there's all these little side streets and there's a lot of industrial stuff in there too. And then there's just a lot of fucking school buses with Yiddish on the side. And the difference between the Sotmar school buses in Williamsburg and the like more modern orthodox whatever school buses in Crown Heights is that the ones in Crown Heights have some English on them too.

Right. It's just these long-ass Yiddish words. and I try to piece them together, but I can't quite read yet. Anyway, I drive through this, you know, and you have to slow down. They make you slow down. And you're not just going to zip through their community at breakneck city speed. And if you take a detour into a side street, you're just in a, you're in a stettel, you're in a village. Yes.

It can feel, depending on my mood, it can feel a little intimidating, it feel a little off-putting, feel really exciting and beautiful. and endearing, but the thing I always take away from, I'm like, man, these people won. Like, they kept it going. Yeah. And they don't care what you think of them. And recreating the stettel was really the whole point. And that's why if you keep going upstate, towards upstate New York, you'll see these towns

that are completely, completely orthodox, ultra-orthodox chettels, really. Yeah, Muncie. Muncie is one of them, right? They arrived right around. Exactly, exactly. And the Satmar Rebbe, you know, the Satmarrebe survived. The Holocaust was saved from Auschwitz under very strange circumstances. I won't get into it. It's a long story. But he went to Palestine and then realized he doesn't want to, he can't stay there. Or to Jerusalem. And then he came, he went to London for a little bit. And then he ended up where he ended up in Brooklyn. And that's what brought everybody together because he was such a renounce. rabbi and rabbi titlebaum and so that was the beginning of that community and then he created the community he said okay you're going to go and you're going to start a business and you're going to go and you're going to start another business and you're going to go and you're going to start health care services and you're going to go and you're going to build ashevas and on and on so the

community takes care of itself and and that is really the the heart of it but his vision and what they wanted to create is the Stettel where they live on their own, they're left alone to do their to live their life. They're not exposed to all the you know the outside world and and that's they've succeeded and they can't build the yeshivas fast enough and they can't build housing fast enough because of course they have 13 14 15 children and I remember speaking to a young so I was I was in Jerusalem and I wanted to talk to some of the activists kind of the anti-draft activists and And so somebody set it up for me. It was past midnight in a back alley in Meshireem in some bookstore in a back room.

And I was talking to this one guy who also speaks English. And within 10 minutes, there were like 20 or 30 young guys from this community who came because they heard there was something going on. So they go to school during the day. They go to yeshiva. And after yeshiva, they just kind of hang around. So they came over. and of course the conversation you know got

larger and larger and these guys are like 18 17 17 19 and they were telling me you know they have kosher phones I don't know if you've heard of the kosher phones they have kosher phones that are allowed to use they don't work

they don't give them access to they don't exactly no access to the internet no access the internet it's very very they have their own they have their own area code and stuff like that yeah

And a couple of phone stores opened around the neighborhood that were selling non-cochure phones. So they asked them, I said, can you please take your business elsewhere? You know, we're a religious community here. Anyway, they got into a fight with these people. But long story short, I asked these young guys. I said, why? I mean, why don't you want to have access to the rest of the world? Why don't you want to, why are you staying in this community?

You know, you're 20 years old. And you look like your great, great parents did with a beard. Some of them didn't even have a beard yet, but these pay us. And they're like, why would we want to leave this? This is our community. This is our family. This is our tradition. And I thought, fair enough.

I mean, you know what I mean? Young people, you think, oh, young people want to rebel and leave. And I'm sure there are ones that do. But by and large, a community grows and grows and grows. It doesn't shrink. And young people just continue. and they have a sense of pride. And when you see them protest in Jerusalem

against the draft, and I was there, they arrested two girls because women are also obliged to serve. And the community just went upside down, and they were protesting, they were shutting down main streets, and I was just driving by,

and I saw it, so I stopped, and I started talking to people and, you know, taking videos. And they're yelling at the Israeli cops, Nazis, Nazis. And I said, what are you guys saying? You're calling them Nazis? What are you doing?

What are you talking about? I wanted for them to explain to me what the hell is going on and why did they feel so strongly. And they say, well, they want to destroy our community. They want to destroy our religion. They want to make a secular and so on and so forth. But they're fierce and fearless. They are fearless.

They fight. They protest. They get, like you said, beaten terribly, tortured in the prisons. I mean, it's really horrific. And it's amazing, too, I think, you know, I'm thinking about it in terms of the, you know, Israeli left, you know, or at least, you know, what was the Israeli left at some point. You look at the commitment to anti-Zionism. And, you know, between the two communities, one has been able to maintain that tradition. And the other one as.

Never had it to begin with. It never had it to begin with or, quote, sobered up after October 7th, you know. And so there is something about that that, I mean, is noted, in my mind at least. It's notable. That community went to anti-Zionist synagogue, which is to say Dizengov or Tel Aviv, some, you know, protest on the high holidays, which is to say whenever Israel's, you know, massacring too many thousands of people at once for too long. Sure. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

That was their religious practice of their very fickle anti-Zionism. But you say in the book, you know, you talk about these sort of conceptions that we have about this community. Did they dispel any of the myths? Like how much of it is based on truth? I imagine as a fundamentalist sort of religious community that they would have some views that, you know, you might consider, you know, either misogynist or paternalism, you know. possibly racism. Is there any part of that that is at least somewhat based in fact? Or is it how much of it is myth and how much of it is true?

Well, it's easy to judge a community based on somebody else's values. Sure, of course. And this is a trap we fall into a lot, right? We judge other communities based on values that have nothing to do with that community that they never had interest in or never had a part in building. Right. So here's how it was described to me. Okay, so we are a religious community that follows the letter of the law.

From the moment you wake up until the minute you go to sleep, every second of the day, you follow a set of rules. When you're 17, 18, 19, you get married and you have children for as long as the system, you can have children. You know, you can have children, and then that's it. And then you start having grandchildren. That's the life in the community. Now, would that work for me? No. But would my life work for a woman from that community?

I mean, she wouldn't know what to do with herself. I mean, so women have their own roles. They have their own places where they are comfortable, and they function within that role, that that particular set of laws has for them. I have to tell you a story. I was in Williamsburg. and I was speaking to this one rabbi who is kind of the he's one of the benefactors he was very

wealthy guy he was part of some of these big businesses that the um like bn h photo and some of these bigger businesses that they that they built and he and i are talking in their house and you know this and that and then his wife comes in and she pulls up a chair and she sits next to us and she's kind of like she's folding her arms and she's looking at me intensely like she's pissed Yeah. And then she says to me, what do they think? Why do they think it's okay for them to kill Palestinians?

What is it with these Israelis? Why do they think it's okay for them? Who gave them the right? Who gave them the permission to kill Palestinians? And she's demanding an answer for me. And so, of course, I was like sitting there for a minute, try to, you know, collect my thoughts. And I said, well, here's how it goes.

they basically secularized the Bible. And when I said that, she burst out laughing. She said, what? What do you mean? They did what? How can you even say something so insane? I said, well, they say that all the religious stuff in the Old Testament is nonsense.

It's our history book. And Palestine is our homeland. And that's it. We're back. And she just thought it was so ridiculously. I've never heard it put that way, but I think that is a perfect description of it. They've secularized it and used it only as a pretext to prove their historical connection to Israel.

That's it. It's a real estate map. But what would that community make of, say, the Hilltop youth or the ultra-Orthodox, you know, extra-genocidal West Bank settlers who use scripture to justify. a reign of terror and pogrom. Well, let's say, just because you, you know, you follow the, you know, you pray however many times a day, that doesn't make you Jewish. If you're a Zionist, then your, Zionism is a complete denial and disregard of Jewish faith.

And what's very, there's so many interesting aspects of this. So one of the books they gave me was a book that was published in Hebrew in the year 1900. 1900. Zionism was barely crawling, right? And in that book, all of the greatest rabbis, the important rabbis of the time, published a series of articles, warning Jews of the dangers of Zionism and this idea of a state. And they basically say three things. Number one, it would bring violence to the Holy Land. Number two, it will ruin the good relations between Jews and Muslims and Jews that

who live in Arab countries. And number three, it will cast doubt as to the loyalties of Jews who live, you know, as a religious minority throughout the entire world, which is just the way Jews had always lived. They said this in the year 1900. Of course, nobody listened to them. That's crazy. They said this without ever having read Marx once. you know it's like without coming specifically from you know a left-wing ideology they just saw it

for what it was yeah yeah and there's a there's one rabbi in new york yacob shapiro i don't know if you guys have seen his work yeah so he'd be great to interview he's brilliant and he wrote a book that's about i don't know this thick it weighs a ton and every home that i visited has this book and it's called the empty wagon Zionism uh the journey of Zionism from identity crisis to identity theft and it's basically it's written like a like a talmudic kind of a study it's for jews to explain to them why zionism is bad basically and why it's anti-jewish and so on um but he's uh you know he's a great speaker and he did read every single thing about zionism ever written and he mentions that in the book and he mentioned that in the book and he

mentions that when he does interviews and he gives speeches. He and I became friends years ago. And I've spent Shabbas at Hidholm, too. I've got a chapter of that as well. And it's fascinating how the assumption is that this community is ignorant and, you know, kind of in the dark ages and that sort of thing where, I mean, look, every aspect of their life, if they choose to go to business, they become very successful. If they choose to go into whatever other field, they're very good at what they do, and the community takes care of its people. The stereotypes were not, were dispelled. I mean, the reality is the reality, right?

That this is a fundamental Jewish religious community that does not give up on one millimeter of the scripture. And it is true that some, it is true that some women have defected from that community. men have too and some queer people have and because they just simply couldn't live the lives they authentically wanted to live inside of that community and some of them have spoken about rampant abuse in that community or at least maybe not rampant but but but radically under discussed but that doesn't make that community super unique I mean the Israeli army sexual assault Israeli society regular society here secular society so this this thing that that we secularists do, we assimilated people do, where we pin social ills on, you know,

quote unquote fundamentalist sects and whatever, without recognizing that all of those things are going on very much under the surface of our normality is so dishonest. And it really is just our my general thought about this is, has always been when people bring up, you know, the right-wing tendencies of these particular religious fundamentalists and whatnot. I have the same feeling that I have about any person who is, you know, a Muslim, where I go like, or someone who's, you know, part of, you know, a Palestinian in Gaza, we do this thing where we tend to judge people based on our own particular values, you know, in our society, especially in our, you know, liberal bubbles and whatnot. And to me, I say none of that denies their

lived experience or their humanity. You know, a person might be a religious fundamentalist and still be able to look at a situation as morally obvious as a genocide occurring in Gaza and be like, that's wrong. And to me, I give that person much more credit than I do someone who is a secular person who is, you know, going to hem and haw and hedge about whether or not something is considered, you know, a genocide by the literal definition. It's like, you know, I can't be going through, the way I described is I can't go through everyone's tweets to see whether or not they perfectly align with me. I can't go through a Haredi. Jewish communities like individual laws and say, does this person's values match up enough with

mine to ally myself with people who are so strongly anti-Zionist that they continued to be anti-Zionist after October 7th, when so many secular leftist Jews and Jewish Israelis decided to abandon it completely. And that they've put their bodies in the line of, in the line of Zionist fire way more than I ever will. Yeah. You know? And fundamentally, it's like we can flatter ourselves for our secular, Western, enlightened values all we want.

Number one, we are as fundamentalist as anyone. There's a great Wallace-Shahn monologue called The Fever, where he's confronting his own class privilege and chauvinism as a liberal westerner. And at a certain point, he says to himself or a voice in his head says, you're a complete and total radical. You're a total, you're a fundamentalist. You're way more of a fundamentalist. than the guerrilla living in the hills, you know, or the, or the, or the revolutionary

in the favela. If your, if your coffee isn't there in the morning, the world has to stop. If your electric blanket doesn't whirl, you know, God, look out. Someone's going to have to fucking die, you know? And if you want to see a real fundamentalist, go back and watch the Tucker Carlson interview that we, we talked about earlier in the show, and see that New York Times woman and her the fundamentalist numbness that she conveys with every single breath, which is a kind of numbness to horror and evil when it comes from Israel. So anyway, I'm just, I'm just jumping on the train here to say that. It's so true. I mean, it's so true the way you just described it, both of you. I mean, it's so absolutely true. And I saw that in me as I was in that community, as I was, you know,

spending Shabbas and this and that, spending the night, you know, seeing all the different laws, all the rules, you know, and I'm like, oh, my God, I mean, I can't have milk with my coffee because I ate meat five hours ago. What, you know, this is crazy, you know, I want my, I mean, you see that once you're in there and you see there's a generosity of spirits, which is very similar to what we find when we're in Palestinian communities, a kindness and a welcoming, but I have to tell you a funny story. I want to tell you two, two stories about. So when they come down here recently to DC for protests they always ask if they can use our space to you know to put their things to pray to worship and so on and this happened twice so last year there was a big protest here

and they asked if they could use the space so they come down Friday before Shabbas so if people don't know Shabbas begins Friday evening and then Shabbas leaves Saturday night right and so So they came Friday and they set up. And then I came Saturday morning. I just came to work and then, you know, and I come, and I, the elevator opens into the space. So the elevator opens and I couldn't believe my eyes. The place is packed and they're worshiping and praying and little kids running around.

And for a moment there, I thought, wait, where am I? What's going on here? You know, there are over a hundred of them here. of this community that came down for this particular protest. And it was, you know, the morning of Shabbas, Saturday morning, they have their, you know, worship. And they were all praying. And as I was walking between them, kind of trying to maneuver my way to the office,

like they take a little break and they say, thank you, thank you, thank you so much, thank you, thank you, thanks for letting us use a space. And outside in the courtyard, I don't know how many children there were. It was filled with little children running around and jumping and whatever, doing whatever kids do. And then in the evening, the protest organizers came to use the space just to kind of, you know, have pizza and, you know. And so you had like a couple of hundred of these radical progressives. And then they, so they took all their stuff out into the courtyard and they were sitting there and eating and doing their thing.

And I thought, I mean, this is this is what peace, this is what the world should look like. I mean, you know, all these people with Chigivarra shirts and whatever. and then these guys with their Pais and their beards and their Torah and their scriptures. And I'm like, wow, you know, so now they know they can come here and they can't sleep here because it's not allowed. But other than that, they eat, they cook, because they have to bring their food. They have to bring their clothes. They have to bring everything, you know, which is also a funny story.

I've got a chapter about funny stories that they've told me about, you know, how you have to bring the salmon and what happens if you forget the salmon or your luggage doesn't arrive or, You know, all kinds of, you know, stuff like that. And so it's, it was heartwarming. It's for me to come in here and see. And, you know, it was wonderful. And then the other thing I was mentioned, I was reminded, as you guys were talking,

there's a wonderful rabbi. He's kind of considered the head of the Natura Kharta in London, in the UK, Rabbi Beck, El Honan Beck. And I've met him. I've known him. His father was a very revered anti-Zionist rabbi. here. He passed away. A lot of these older guys passed away during COVID. And so rabbi, there's an interview with Rabbi Beck where he takes this reporter into the synagogue and she talks

to him and asks him and asks some question. And she says, so what's wrong with Zionism? I mean, why is it so wrong? And why is it an affront to Judaism? And he takes her to the sin commandments. And he says, you see here where it says, do not steal? And you see here where it says, do not murder. That's what's wrong with Zionism. And have no other gods before me. Right. And don't worship graven images.

And so there's so many, there's so many statements like that, incredible statements and stories that I've been, you know, that I've been hearing from them as, you know, over the years as I've been working with this community. And it's just been, I mean, it's been an incredible education and I could talk about it, you know, all day long. Because now, you know, when you know something,

you want to, you're happy to share it. Well, we can't wait. We can't wait for the book, but unfortunately we do need to pivot from the heartwarming to the sort of blood-curdling. We've got an article we really want to read with you. But I think the conversation we've just had will shed a lot of light on it. Because to going from that logic and that sense of tradition to the Zionist one, we're going to be reading an article that was written in Hebrew. We're going to read a translation of it, but we'll set it up by reading a piece about that article from Mando Ice by Jonathan O'Fir. So the headline is an Israeli op-ed calling U.S. Jews traitors for refusing to emigrate to Israel points to the looming Jewish fracture over Zionism.

So in part to mark Israel's Independence Day on April 21st, the former editor of the right-wing outlet Makor Richon, first source, wrote a tirade in that paper. Are you familiar with that publication, Miko? Yeah. What can you tell us about it? Well, I mean, it's one of those things. It'll take a whole interview. Just keep going. Making the argument that American Jews are traitors to the Zionist cause

because they could have come to Israel by the millions but chose to remain in the quote disgrace of their willful exile. And we're going to see this throughout this article. It's so pissy.

Like it's just so you know, like accusing us of a kind of unfathomable ingratitude. It's just bitter. This is how I was raised. I heard this every day

at home growing up. And worse than that, that the Jews that died in the Holocaust, it was their fault because they were not Zionists and they didn't come. Right. So this thread has been, this line of horrific, I don't even know what to call it, has been part of Zionist education from the very beginning. Yes. These Jews, all they care about is blah, blah, blah, money and comfort instead of coming and being real Jews and being Zionist. I heard that my entire life growing up. So we're going to see the 2026 version, which includes an ultimatum.

Like they've had it with us. The article is notable because it not only shows the desperation that Zionists are feeling over a looming divorce between Israeli and American Jews over Zionism, which, by the way Norman Finkelstein called 15 years ago in a small book called Knowing Too Much, the coming breakup of American Jews in Israel, but also demonstrates why many U.S. Jews feeling of attachment to Israel have quickly turned to disgust. But before getting into the contents of the article, it's important to share a note about its author. Hagi Segal is a longtime noted journalist in the Israeli media community who also happens to be a convicted terrorist from the Jewish underground movement.

He was personally responsible for bombing Palestinian West Bank mayors in 1980, and his group sought to bomb the Dome of the Rock at the El Exa compound to make space for a third Jewish temple. I'm nice that he's seguued to a nice, you know, post-retirement career in op-ed writing. And his son is a very well-known journalist. He has a, he's an anchor in the news show, Amit Sego. Okay, I think I know the name. Yes, this is Amit Siegel's father? Yes. And he was confronted by, God, I can't remember who he was.

Somebody that was on his show and confronted him. And he said, I'm very proud of my father. I'm very proud of the things that he did. He was a great man. Wow. So, yeah. That's amazing. I love that we're all...

Yeah, he's a piece of... Yeah, he's a total piece of shit. But this is, I didn't know that he, you know, Apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This is incredible. I love that we're about to be yelled at by this guy. I'm very excited. Yeah. In his, uh, sent, uh, Segal was sentenced to five years in prison in 1984, serving only two.

In his memoirs, written in, prison, Sigal opined that the bombing of the Dome of the Rock would serve as a purification. And as much later years, as chief editor of Mako Richon, Segal was not shy of allowing incitement to murder, as, for example, in 2016, when he had a senior former educator suggests that the Swedish foreign minister, Margot Walsstrom, get the Bernadotte treatment, which is murder, based on someone who was killed during the British mandate, right? Oh, okay. Might have been at the King David Hotel, I think.

No, he was killed. I could tell you when he was killed. Oh, please. He was assassinated in 1948 because he was the UN mediator. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. Folkabernadotte was the UN mediator, and he came with a plan that demanded the right of the refugees to be, to return.

Yeah. And so he was assassinated in Jerusalem, yeah. All right. By the Zionists. He suggested that she'd be murdered for her. quote, anti-Semitic DNA. Volstrom was at the time right to suggest that there may be an Israeli policy

of exjudicial executions, you think? Which merited investigation. How dare you say that? I'm going to extraditionally murder you. That is beautiful. Okay, with that context in mind, let's see what is on Seagull's mind now. So now we're going to pivot

and actually read this article. So Independence Day Eve, a final call to American jury. You know what it's hilarious? Oh, I love it. a final call. Is this the final solution to American Jewry? No, no, no, no, no, no. Final call, you know what that is? That's the name of the nation of Islam's newspaper. Oh, is it? Isn't that the read the final call? It's Minister Louis Farrakhan's publication.

I love it. That's great. Israel is already 80 years old, but our brothers in the United States are still hesitant to come, except for his handful of Zionist Sadikim, which means righteous, righteous ones. It is time to tell them clearly what we think about it. So this is going to be an auto-translation, so there may be a few janky sentences, but we'll see. On the day of Passover, between the alarm and the warning in an underground bait midrash, which is a synagogue, in Jerusalem, a young relative of mine was inducted into the covenant of our forefather Abraham. Adir Tzion, they called the circumcised infant. Cool.

Also known as boy. His happy father explained in English that it was in honor of, in honor of the famous American fighter jet, the stealth, which the IDF did wonders with in the war against the Iranians. Yes, wonders blowing up girls' schools, bridges, and the synagogues, in fact, they did some wonders blowing up Tehran Synagogue. That's right. Yeah. That was a, that was a miracle too. Blunder of blunders. Oh, my God. Jews. Let me tell you. There's a possible title. for you. We love a little fiddler on this show. The charismatic moyal also spoke in English between the blessings and songs in Hebrew. I love a sushi chef who can keep, uh, keep banter going even as he's doing

his knife work, you know? Like Omikaze. English is a language with a strong vocal presence in our streets. When I was a child, no one spoke English on the street or in the grocery store. My late mother, born in London, had no neighbors with whom you could chat in the language of Shakespeare and Churchill, Moroccan, Polish, Romania. Hungarian, French, and Yiddish dominated the discourse of the surrounding adult population. By the early 1970s, Russian and Georgian had infiltrated it, and since the 1980s and 90s Amharic had also infiltrated it, but they are gradually fading away. Only English is emerging and flourishing as a second language.

Here we're winding our way to the thesis. It is possible that immigrants from other countries make a greater effort to switch to Hebrew when they are not in the homeland of their mothers, due to the diasporic flavor of their original language, that unwanted diasporic flavor, and the prejudices of the natives of the country. Immigrants from North America and Britain do not have a similar complex. English is the leading means of communication in the world. It's also the leading means of Hasbara in the world. The language of diplomacy and high tech, and certainly the foreign language, most familiar to the ears of natives of the country. Well, depends which natives you mean. Therefore, due to the abundance of English sounds, there is

sometimes a feeling that half the Jews of the United States have already immigrated to Israel in the last generation, like the mother of little Adir Tseo and his father immigrated from Britain. Unfortunately, this is a very mistaken feeling. All right. We're about to yell at me. I'm excited. The largest Jewish! Sorry, I'm not ready to yell yet.

The world's largest Jewish diaspora, the remnant of the demographic hope of the state of Israel. Help me, Diaspora, Jewish. whom I despise, you're our only hope, is arriving here bit by bit in a terribly stingy manner. Oh, those stingy American Jews. They're so stingy with their uprooting of themselves. They're jewing us democratically, you know?

These demographic penny pinchers. You're jewing us out of our statistics. So small as to be an insults to the vision of the return to Zion. It has never flowed to. to us en masse like other diasporas, Morocco, Yemen, Iraq, and more. Yeah, you should try planting some bombs. Maybe you should bomb synagogues in St. Louis and Chicago.

God. Parity, parody, parody. Yes, joking. The Russian diaspora has shrunk dramatically in recent generations, from about 800,000 in 1970 to only about 120,000 today. Yes, fewer Jews in these countries. While the American diaspora is only growing, even when we are solemnly heralded

with the news of a record immigration from the United States, it is the joy of the downtrodden poor who received a dollar from a millionaire cousin, not even a fraction of his budgetary capabilities. Jesus. There's a lot going on in that paragraph, isn't there?

There's a lot. It's very bitter. Since the establishment of the state, a total of about 180,000 Jews have immigrated from the United States. That's fewer than I would have thought. According to data from the Ministry of Immigration and Absorption, 3,773 people immigrated in 2025. They are only six hundredths of one percent of the estimated Jewish population in the United States, according to the diligent demographer professor, Sergio Delapur, 6.3 million. This is somewhat...

What's amazing about this right now is we are now getting into... him essentially having a list of Jews in the United States and being like going name by name furious that only a handful of those names have so far made Aliaa. Like I just, I like the image of him going through the list and just going, but where's Daniel Mata? Where's Matt Lieb? He's the chief high executioner in the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta, the Macado. He's got a little list and not one will be missed.

You know, he's going to cross us off the list and make sure that we... Oh, man. It's just wild. I've got them on the list. They hate our right to exist. Wow. This is a somewhat generous estimate in defining a person's Judaism in relation to strict sage law. But our law of return is also quite generous.

Yes, it certainly is. Yeah. And take, well, it's a little, it's a little stingy to some people. Right. But when it comes to... Jews, Matt Lieb could move there tomorrow. Yeah, generous to me. And Mohammed al-Kurd could not.

Yes. Although Mohammed O'Kirb was born there, but the point, you get what I'm saying. And takes into account the constraints of marriage in the diaspora. Yeah, these terrible constraints of marriage. And I'd so much rather get married in Israel where it's free. You can just marry anyone you want, right? For every 10,000 American Jews, only about five emigrated last calendar year. Fuck yeah.

In 1971, the true peak year of all time, a little more than 8,000 immigrated, a mere thousandth of the total number of Jews in this vast diaspora. In other words, even in the peak year of peaks, only 10 American Jews out of every 10,000 bothered to go to the land of their ancestors, and there is no doubt that this is indeed

a great hassle and a grueling mental effort. Tsabar will not understand this. Is Tsabar some kind of acronym? Do you know what that is? Sabar is the prickly pear, but it's the nickname for Israelis. Sabra, right. Sabra, Sabra, Sabra, yeah. Right, that's right.

So Sabras will not understand this, he's saying. Right. Unless he means the fruit will not understand it. There is so much bitterness in this. It's really wonderful to see. How bitter they are. It's lovely to see them being bitter. Yeah, just because this is, like, I can feel in my head

a voice that's saying, you know, what do we have to do for you? We let you go for free for 11 days on birthright. We assign only the hottest IDF soldiers to escort you. We don't care if your mother is Jewish. We don't care if your mother is Jewish. We don't, you know, you can just be someone who just kind of likes Woody Allen movies and we'll let you immigrate. What are you doing to us Jews and people who are Jew adjacent? It is, it is, it's great. We even give you bonus immigration points if you approve of Woody Allen's approach to dating. I'm kidding. I mean, it just seems like such like, this is like the extreme version of like, you know,

your mother calling you or your mother saying, what are your fingers broken? You can't pick up a phone. It's guilt at a level that I've never seen before. No, it's fine. I'll just sit here in the air raid bunker freezing to death. Yeah, no. When you find my dead body, you throw me. me straight in the trash. That's all I deserve.

Barry me under the third temple. That's all I ask. All of Bangorians pleas, his anger and his threats were of no help. He was the most demanding Prime Minister in the field of immigration. A country that demands immigration, that's so funny. Because most countries have to wrestle with, like, how much do we limit immigration, right? For the good of our own country or for our own ethnic purity or whatever. This is a country that has like an immigration policy of stamping their feet and being like, come.

I'm already. I'm not going to take it anymore. A demanding Jews move somewhere without it like conjuring the image of being forced onto a train. Is like if it doesn't conjure that image for you, you might be a Zionist. You know what I mean? We send you rail cars. You're uneducated. I have to, I have to say this thing.

So I don't know if we discussed this last. time, but I co-produced this short documentary about Jacques Boudet, who is a Holocaust survivor, as anti-Zionists as you can get. He lives in Brussels. And he describes how after the war, his parents didn't come back, they were sent to Auschwitz. And so he was sent to a orphanage. And the entire orphanage was forced to come to Israel. And he says, and this was financed by all these wealthy Jews. And then he goes, because what does a Jew who has money, what does a Zionist who has money do?

They send other Jews to Israel. Right, exactly. And that, and again, I remember that conversation as a child, you know. Once the Zionists allowed that, people like, you know, rich Jews to call us with Zionists because they gave money to bring other Jews, then they pretty much shot themselves in the foot because now all these Edelson types that have,

you know, we're not going to go. there. But they can call themselves Zionists because they're giving all this money. Yeah. You know? Right. And there's another thing, I got to mention, another little anecdote that Rabbi Beck in London said to me once, he said, they're telling me that I'll be safer over there than I am here in London. I've lived my whole life in London. He said, I don't know what a British soldier looks like. My children have never seen a gun. All over. our neighbors are, this is Stanford Hill in London, all of our neighbors around us are Arabs and

Muslims. We send our kids in taxis with them driving. We've never had a problem. We never even thought that there might be a problem. And somebody wants to tell me that I will be safer over there than I am here as a Jew. Yeah. I don't worry about the way I look. Nobody cares. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, I mean, all these things, this is, you know, this is why Zionism is a failure because it makes no sense. Right. Yeah. The mission statement is incoherent to anyone who, I mean, just lives in Western society and goes like, well, I mean, it's not to say I haven't seen people draw a swastika on walls sometimes. It's not to say that I haven't experienced someone saying some weird shit about Jews to me, but in terms of safety, especially after October 7,

to try and make the claim that Israel is the safe haven for all Jews of the world. It seems like quite the opposite is true. And even, you know, he goes on and on and on. He goes on and on and on about the Arab Jews. The Arab Jews were not Zionists. In the 1950s, when Ben-Gurion and his gang realized that the good Jews from America and the West aren't coming, they had a demographic problem. So they said, ooh, let's get the Arab Jews.

The Arab Jews were like, we're not Zionists, this is your problem, this is a European thing. I don't know if you saw Abish Lime's the memoir. The memoir is over an Arab Jew, brilliant the way he describes it. So they had the Mossad put bombs in Jewish institutions and then kind of create this, create, exactly as a matter of fact what these rabbis in the book from 1900 said, distrust of the loyalty of the Jews in the countries in which they live. That is how they got the Arab Jews. Right.

Yeah, I've been thinking that the ADL should rename itself Association for Dual Loyalty. Right. Yeah, exactly. That is what they do. All right, back to the article. If they haven't come after yet, now they're going to come after. Yeah, now they will. Bring it on, Greenblatt. Ben-Guriam was the most demanding Prime Minister in the field of immigration, and he did not hesitate to severely insult the leaders of the Jews across the ocean.

He farted in their general direction. He explicitly said that their Zionism, was hypocrisy. And if they were Zionists, then he was no longer a Zionist. I wrote an entire chapter about this in my book, Messiah in the Morning Field. And in the end, I had to comment that it did not help him. They did not come. The gates of Russia opened in the twilight of Benghorians' days when the Soviets still controlled the Kremlin. The gates of America remained closed by choice. These are the gates that, these are the closed gates of America that really offend him, not when the gates to Canada and the United States

were closed out during the Holocaust. Right. No, they like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They lobbied for that. Nathan Alterman also urged them to come. In August 1967, after 100,000 Palestinian war refugees

registered in one day for the return home operation to Judea and Samaria, and the right was gripped by security concerns, Alterman wrote in a newspaper that he was more concerned that not even 100 Jews had registered to immigrate to Israel that day. Oh, no. We need numbers to dwarf the amount of Palestinians

who were kicked out of their homes yesterday from coming back. We need to get Jews from Boise and fucking Skokie and, you know, to come and box them out. Right. This fact is a lightning bolt illuminating the growth of an absurdity, which not only the security authorities should pay attention to the power.

Okay, I want to jump ahead to where he really gets super super super super bitter and then we'll close because up until now it was soft Jews of the United States do not immigrate as a wall or as a door we send them emissaries

rejoice in the initiative of the nefish benephish organization we've talked about them they're the ones in synagogues selling illegal land from time to time we muster the courage to hint to them that they should immigrate but we have long ceased to morally disbelieve

in the decision of the vast majority of them to adhere to the diaspora. We are not asking anymore. Get on the train! We try to play nice with you. I mean, this should be written in its original German, you know? That's right.

It's so insane. The law of return needs to be renamed the Udun-Rous amendment or something. The Noltenberg Law of Return. I want to hear you read the opening of the next paragraph. Go on. Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. According to our democratic values

and theirs, this is a legitimate decision, of course, also according, I'm starting to sound like Bill Maher, also according to the Jewish principle of free choice, but according to those values and the principle of our right and duty to tell them clearly what we think of them, enough of the

flattery. Okay, guys, enough of the flattery. Here it comes. Dear brothers, you are traitors, you are betraying us and betraying yourselves. When you pray three times a day, blow a great shofar for our, when you pray three times a day. You missed the point here, Daniel. No, no, no, no, no, no. Have you ever listened to Menachem Begin's speech? No. There's a famous speech that he gave when, just before he

won the election, where he talks about the racism basically against the Arab Jewish community. and there was a rally for the labor party and somebody made fun of them and used all these kind of derogatory terms to describe them. And then the next night in his rally, Began spoke, and he talks about the Jews

and the brothers. He would have said, Dear brothers, you are traitors. All right. I'll take the line reading. You are betraying us. And betraying yourselves, when you pray three times a day, blow a great shofar for our freedom and raise a banner to gather our exiles, you don't really mean it.

Because the shofar has already blown. And there is no longer any technical or political obstacle to the gathering of our exiles, only a selfish obstacle on your part. Wow. Although there are still many Jews left in Europe, Australia, Canada, or South America, you are statistically ten times larger than them. Your lack is felt many times over, and no marginal benefit financial or political can cover it up. Therefore, there is no escape from drawing conclusions. There's no amount of money that you could pay for me to not notice that you have not yet fed yourself into this human meat grinder called Israel. Our cannons are empty and need fodder, and you give us what?

Money? Fuck your money. Money and prayers? Give us your prayers. The shofar has already blown is such a funny thing. The show far is already blown, all right? This is, oh, it's so beautiful because it is, it is truly coming from, I mean, it's, it's a mask off moment for this type of Zionism, you know, one that offers Israel as a

safe haven, you know, a, you know. Israel as a place where Jews know that no matter what happens in their home country, they can be safe. And instead, it shows it for what it really is, which is a project, a deeply anti-Semitic project, deeply anti-Jewish project, which necessitates the bodies of Jews to go there, live there, become the demographic majority, and, you know, continue to rule. over Palestinians and over, I mean, everyone else in the Middle East. It is, it's truly gross. It's more a Sendax where the wild things are where they say,

we'll eat you up, we love you so, except they don't have, they don't have cute faces and they don't play with them. They're just fucking monster. Not enough Jews have signed up for the wild rompice. All right. The show far has already started. That's right. The wild rompice has already begun.

We started this wild rapist 80 years. ago. Where the fuck are you? Oh, let's wrap this. You're at home in your cozy bed having dinner. Therefore, there is no escape from drawing conclusions. Oh, I can't wait for this guy to draw a conclusion because it means it'll be over. After all, Israel is 80 years old. 70 years have already passed since Rabbi Solovecich's stirring Independence Day speech, the voice of my uncle's heart in which he lamented the continued slumber of, quote, loyal Jews in America, despite the wake-up calls from the land of Israel, how long can we wait? What more needs to happen to you or us? How much, that's a nice little threat. How much more need to happen to you before you pack your

bags and board a plane? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Perhaps the time has come to issue an ultimatum. Oh, here we go. Dear brothers, if you do not immigrate here en masse within five years, You have 24 hours. By Independence Day, 5721, which is 2031 in uncoacher years, we will stop sending emissaries to you and disband the agency. Do you promise? Is this a promise? Yeah, swear. Don't try it.

No more schlichtim, brow beating our children at summer camp. In any case, there is not much point left. You won't have to give yourself hand jobs. You will have to tell yourself you can't understand until you've served in the army In any case there was not much point left in their mission and its existence I agree Those who wanted to immigrate have already immigrated

Those who are still hesitating should decide quickly The door will close The shofar will cease to blow And we'll... Faster The chief rabbinit will simultaneously announce in 5721, that it will stop including Jews from abroad in the halakhic calculations of the majority of its residents in Alia, which concerns certain Torah commandments related to the land.

Ladies and gentlemen, this window will be closing to be included in the book of life. You just have to buy your ticket on L.L. in the next five years. Don't miss your chance not to be damned. Such an announcement will primarily shake religious Jews. Yeah, it'll only shake religious Jews. You think the Jews of Park Slope are going to give a shit? Yeah. But they are also those who pray three times a day or at least once a week and may repent.

The rest of the Jews there are already mentally distancing themselves from us at an ever-increasing rate, partly to excuse the disgrace of their voluntary exile. Too many are willingly giving in to anti-Semitic propaganda. Some even reach the low point of supporting Hamas' invasion of Israeli territory on October 7th. Some even start podcasts specifically about Israeli propaganda. propaganda. These low diasporic scum will do anything not to move here. Thou shalt have no pods before me.

Anyone who doesn't believe in this should read, it wasn't that good, Matt. I'm just thinking I'm going to start in setting, writing pod, POD. I'm going to do P-D. P-d-D, yeah, yeah. We're the world's most moral P-D cast. Yeah. Anyone who doesn't believe in this should read the comprehensive. interview on the Ha'arets website with Ariel Angel. Oh, he calls out

Ariel Angel by name. Wow. The editor of the successful anti-Zionist magazine Jewish Currents. What is it? It is a good interview, actually, in Ha'Ritz talking about how American Jews are distancing themselves. And she's gentle. She's relatively gentle. She maintains positive relationships with Israelis

in her life. But she's talking about how Jews understand that October 7th had a context. and all that. What is it to them and us? What is it to us and them? Judaism is not genetics. Really? It is first and foremost an idea. And the land of Israel is one of its pillars, not a scaffold that can be removed and hoped will be continued to survive. Mass immigration to Israel as soon as possible would be a life-saving immigration for American Jews. Somehow they will survive the rising wave of anti-Semitism, but their Judaism will be,

will not survive without the land of Israel. And that brings us back to the absolute antithesis of the sanity you were citing earlier, Miko, when it comes to the Nurtigarta. Incredible. Inverting it. Wow. And he's just missing out one part

that for Jews throughout the millennia, the Holy Land is considered a place to worship. It was never about sovereignty. It's about worship. Yeah. And that's why in 1948, the old ultra-Orthodox communities were begging the United Nations to give them another kind of identity because they didn't want to have Israeli ID. You know, they didn't want to have anything to do with this. And I'll tell you one last story.

Then I got to run. There's a famous anti-Zan and the Turakarta rabbi in Jerusalem, Rabbi Luria. No, Abram, Rabbi Amram. Rabbi Amram. And one of the books that, again, I got from one of these rabbis in Jerusalem, Rabbi Hirsch, is an interview of Rabbi Amram by one of his students. And he asked him all these questions. And then he says, if you were in charge, what would you do?

Now, I remember the name of Rabbi Amram as a child, this horrible, you know, I don't know, Osama bin Laden, whatever. I don't know, like horrible anti-Zionist, horrible hater, you know. And so anyway, the student asks him, okay, Rabbi Amram, if you are in charge today, this is the 1970s, he said, what would you do first? And Rabbi Amram said, first, I would ask the Arabs to come back. Come back from exile, take control, take their country back, live as we used to do before. And the student says, what are you talking about? They want to kill us.

They want to throw us into the ocean. And the rabbi says to him, who told you this nonsense? Where did you learn this nonsense? Now, Rabbi Amram's family is originally from Hebron and then moved to Jerusalem. And he says, in Hebron, we lived as neighbors for centuries. In Jerusalem, we lived as neighbors and friends for centuries. Who told you this nonsense? He says, the best thing that can happen to us is for the Arabs to return and to take control and to have their state and we will live within it.

So that's the spirit of that community. And that's who the Zionists hate the most. Yeah. I mean, truly wonderful contrast between those two. Hearing that article read out loud and then also hearing the thoughts of anti-Zionist, you know, Haredi Jews, as told by, you know, you, Miko, it's, it really is a contrast. It's really something. You know, one version is, you know, yelling at us

and the other one is, you know, saying that we are, looks like we were right. We were right, Daniel. We were right this whole time. Miko, it was really wonderful, wonderful to have you on again. Yeah, too much, too much fun, guys. This is really too much fun. We really love talking to you.

Where can people find your work? And, yeah, can they follow you on social media or anything? They find me on social media. They can follow Palestine House of Freedom on Instagram. See our website, Palestinehouseof Freedom.org. They can message me. You know, they come visit. I mean, we're open.

We're here all the time. We have events all the time. Like I said, we're planning a very solemn event for Nakaboday. But we do events and markets and all kinds of things that are also uplifting. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm all over the place. welcome to come and check us out. Absolutely.

And we'll put links to both your book, The General Sun, and to Palestine House of Freedom, in the show description for anyone who wants to check it out as well as social media links. Miko Pellad. Great. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, guys.

Pleasure. Of course. And thank you to everyone out there for listening slash watching another episode of Bad Hasbara. Bad Hasbara at gmail.com for questions, comments, and concerns. And Patreon.com slash Bad Hasbara. please join now. All right, thanks so much for listening.

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