Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 208: Merkava With The Fringe On Top

Episode Date: May 26, 2026

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Fully circumcised. That's right. Cut it off. Speaking of cutting me up, my name is Matt Lieb, and I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast. Oh, I'm Daniel Mante. And I was looking at producer Adam with great joy and Nachas, because I'm happy he's here. That's right. I'm that guy. I'm producer Adam. I'm here today. That's right. Here today. Gone today. I'm just kidding. I don't know. I'm just saying stuff. That's what podcasting is. You just say stuff. Thank you all for joining us for another wonderful

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And it makes me happy because it says that, hey, at the very least, if we're not affecting change, we're at least hanging out together and trying to make sense of this crazy world. You know what I mean? Yeah. Anyone know what I mean? go with you on that ride do i know what i mean we're certainly uh you know making audio as time ticks by that's super true yeah you know and that's the thing about art it may not do anything but at least uh it is fun but you made it yeah like anyways you know i would say we're all we're doing is just adding to the white noise

on the internet and in the world but then again it's Jewish noise it's not white noise that's right yeah don't don't call our noise white all right exactly the Nazis didn't

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do. So do it and do it now. Daniel, what's spinning? Well, why yes, I would love to delay the start of the substance of the show and in the process split our viewership down the middle, down the middle. Well, first of all, happy 85th birthday to the boy Bob Dylan, Robert Zimmerman. I got a few There's records up there on the top shelf. Yeah. Love that, man. 85s and still going. Still going.

Still going. Booked and busy. Still on the never-ending tour. Still putting out croakingly, croakingly alternate versions of all the songs that all sound like the same. But that is fans obsessed over. This is, my first one is just a supplemental one from last week

because I did the sales angle on the show a week ago with Adam Johnson, author of How to Sell a Genocide, and I forgot completely about Beatles for sale. Fantastic. Early Beatles album containing a lot of sort of deep cuts, like I'm a loser and babies in black and no reply, I think. So great, great album. Is that the one that has like Mr. Moonlight and fucking taste of honey?

And Kansas City. Kansas City, hey, hey, hey, is an incredible song. Yeah, yeah. Is that, is that a Lenin McCartney song? No, no, no, that's a cover. That's what I thought. It's got rock and roll music, which is a Chuck Berry tune. It's got I'll Follow the Sun, which is one of their loveliest.

That's a, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Buddy Holly cover, Words of, eight days a week is on here. Man, I'll Follow the Sun is one of those songs that is incredible that they wrote it so early. Yes. Yeah. No, it's a very beautiful one. Yeah.

So anyway, the main theme of what's to spend today is musical theater. showing up in other genres. Because I was at a record store out in New Jersey and I found this awesome record. Guys and dolls love vibes. Don't we all love vibes, folks? I mean, I love vibes. This is the Eddie Costa Quartet.

He's the vibriform player. It's a whole vibe. That makes more sense. I was like, wow, I didn't know that the word vibes had been around this long. That's crazy. All the cool cats were using it back in the 50s.

So this is, yeah, Eddie Costa. That's what they called xylophones back then. Or vibraphones, I guess. It's a vibraphone, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So really cool album of Guys and Dolls tunes. You know, Guys and Dolls is a great score. Eddie Costa, it's actually on Spotify, so we will end up on the playlist.

Didn't we do a Zyze and Dolls like parody? Yeah, yeah, not Xylophones and Dolls, but Zio's and Dolls. In our private chat. That's right, it was private. When you see a bra watching Bad Husband. Barra. Yeah. Good stuff.

Anyway. Taught show today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the Billy Taylor trio. My Fair Lady loves jazz, a lovely album of songs from My Fair Lady, you know, like get me to the church on time. And I've grown accustomed to her face and with a little bit of luck and other great tunes. The Rain in Spain, of course.

I could have danced all night. West Side Story played by the Oscar Peterson Tristan. Oscar Peterson, great Canadian jazz pianist, and this is his trio's rendition of songs from West Side Story. David Bowie doing Peter and the Wolf, not musical theater exactly, but theatrical classical music. Prokofiaf, right? And this is David Bowie narrating that one. This is that, you know, that piece that... Oh, I know.

Yeah. You play for kids to teach them... That's right. Is the duck. The piccolo is this guy. That's right. And the bassoon. Don't get me started on the buso.

The bassoon. The bassoon is the, I don't know, sexual predator. It's either the wolf or the hunters. Yeah. And then finally, it's a shame about Ray by the Lemonheads, super gen X group. And the very last song on this classic album is a cover of Frank Mills from Hair. Oh, okay.

I met a boy called Frank Mills. Does that have the Mrs. Robinson cover on it? No, I don't think so. I think that song Come on Feel the Lemon. Oh, wait a minute. essential extras. It's on the bonus album. Yeah, bonus. They put it on side three. And a special asterisk to an album that I've already featured on the spin. And that's Metallica's self-titled Metallica, the Black album, which at the start of the worst song on that album,

don't tread on me. This absolutely jingoistic Iraq war cheerleading, like first Gulf War cheerleading song. This is the band that did songs about nuclear Armageddon and the lies that leaders tell us. And suddenly they're singing about don't tread on me and the song opens with a musical quote from i want to live in america from wested store oh that's cute i didn't know that da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da it's well done but it's it's very it it broke my heart back in 91 when i heard it like i thought i thought my boys were anti-imperilist and it turns out it was just the start of of realizing that lars is a fucking asshole and james right has you know alcohol problems problems yeah But I do like the idea of the guys in Metallica, you know, settling in for a Broadway show.

Yeah, that is kind of cute. Oh, Kirk Hammett's a Sondheim head. Yeah, we're going to go see cats. Hey, yeah. Yeah, shout out to Metallica. Their politics probably suck ass, but they have at least two good albums. Yeah. So that is what is spinning.

Thank you to you, Daniel Matte, for always. bringing in the musical vibes into this show about, you know, Hasbara propaganda, sad shit that makes us all go insane. It's your weekly non-sequitur. That's right. And it's important to have that because here's the thing, how much can we really handle all in one go? How much sequitur?

How much sequitur can we really handle? Honestly, we need to get a little non-sequitur because of how much goddamn awful shit there is out there. But occasionally, when I'm feeling down, you know, about the world and about, you know, this podcast, like, oh, what are we doing? You know, what is, what does any of it mean? What is it leading to? Occasionally, someone will make me feel right about what I'm doing. And that person this week is Mike Huckabee.

Mike Huckabee. That has a super fan, apparently. That's right. He loves this podcast. He loves it so much that he is constantly quoting the theme song. And he did so again recently at some event, who the fuck knows what it's for. They just invite these psychopaths places. But here is...

Can I play bass? Yeah. If I can play bass, then I'll show up pretty much anywhere. Here he is talking about his favorite podcast theme song. I wonder if everyone in Lebanon understands that if there were no Israel, they wouldn't have a cell phone. I wonder if they understand that every time they use a USB, every time they use car navigation. Probably not the best diplomatic move for the U.S. ambassador to Israel to try to appeal to Lebanese sensibilities by talking about how wonderful it is to have a cell phone and communication, having a communication device thanks to Israel. I feel like that's not going to go over like a lead balloon.

Yeah, it's like one of those like tone deaf things that you're like. Like, I can't tell if stupid or evil or both. I think it's always a combination of both. It's like, yeah. Do the people of Lebanon not realize that if it weren't for Israel, they wouldn't have cell phones that may or may not explode, depending on whether or not we've infected the supply chain with explosives? Do people not realize that?

Or USB sticks that are put into their computer while they're out at work so that we can steal all of their data or so we can upload illegal images on there. Do they understand that if Waze is a guidance system, right? It's like a GPS. It sure is. It's GPS. So that helps my joke. I've heard hundreds of times and I wasn't

sure what Waze is. So are they aware that without Israel when one of their relatives gets bombed by Israel on the other side of town, they wouldn't be able to find them? That's right. They wouldn't know where to go. They wouldn't have the GPS, the Waze GPA. Would they take a left? Do they take a right? No one would

know. Do they not realize? Do they know that their children have to choke on other kinds of vegetables, not a conveniently esophageal-sized tomato? That's right. The most chokeable tomato. Time they use a USB. Every time they use car navigation. That every time they eat a cherry tomato or have a delicious bite of seedless watermelon. What?

Instead of saying, I can't talk to those people. They should step across the border, shake the hands, and say, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for helping create some things that have made my life better and easier. Did he just say they should step across the border and say thank you? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. And by the way, where is that border? Can we define where that border is before we talk about going across it to shake the hands of I assume a random Israeli and be like, thanks for the phone? They should be so eager to express their gratitude that they'd paraglide over any structure to get there to shake the hands of their

benefactors. That's right. Just go from kibbutz to kibbutz shaking the hands of every single person that they see. Also, this is a trap because people know what happens when you cross an invisible line in front of an Israeli. That's right. Exactly. It's immediate. It's just like, oh, yeah. Yeah, but except for the cheese in this mouse trap is thanking an Israeli. Don't think that's not great cheese. They could call it the, they could call it the, all thanks yeah flood. Oh, geez. Just a flood of gratitude, you know? Exactly. You're absolutely flooded. May it rain, may it rain, may it rain gratitude on the Israelis. From the sky, man, you really got to, you got to give them some credit. There's

almost something respectable about sticking to the Hasbara 101 talking, talking, points, you know, no matter what, through thick and thin, you're still going to talk about cherry tomatoes. That's, it's just wild at this point. I'd like to think that, uh, we at this podcast had a little bit of, um, an effect on the rest of the world and telling people that the cherry tomato means a lot to them. So the more you make fun of it. That's the power of a catchy song, man.

I think so. I think so. It's the most powerful medium of communication. That's right. A summer banger, you know? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Speaking of Hezbara, last week we, on our Friday episode,

which is a great episode for the, you know, exclusive subscribers, you know, if you're a patron or if you are a substack member or a YouTube member, then you watch this episode. Or if you're my cuckabab. subscribing under a pseudonym. That's right.

Then you saw us talking quite a bit about the Ben-Givir quote controversy. Now, this was the fact that Ben-Givir went up to a bunch of the flotilla prisoners and started creating content with them by pushing them down, you know, making fun of them, yelling at them, smiling as they tortured them. And the world decided, all right, fine, let's all make this the example of the bad apple. And, you know, we'll put all the blame on him for why Israel is bad. So a lot of people were talking about Ben-Givir and why he's terrible and how he doesn't represent Israel. And one of those people who we didn't mention last week was Nathali Bennett. And Nathali-Bennett wrote. Yeah, voice of reason.

You know. Noted, noted peace nick and, uh, the reasonable middle. Human rights defender. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Certainly not a guy who continuously says genocidal things, but in, in a softer, more gentler way. Um, he went on Twitter and wrote a entire screed about Ben Gavir and about Hasbara specifically. I don't think it was a screed, Matt.

I think it was an actionable plan. you know, a manifesto, if you will. Okay, yeah. He's got ideas. I mean, he's got fresh ideas. This kid's an up and comer. I think we should give him a fair hearing personally. All right, that's fine. You're right. You're right.

Far be it for me to be unfair to Nathali Bennett. But here is what he wrote. And, Daniel, I will let you read this wonderful tweet about how we will fix Israel's Hasbara. All right. this is how we will fix Israel's Hasbara. I really love that like GROC or Autotranslate knows now not to translate Hasbara as explanation.

Yes, yes, I love it. Hasbara is Hasbara now. Everyone was talking today about the Hasbara disaster caused by a failed minister who sold out Israel's security for likes on TikTok. And they are right. The Netanyahu Ben-Givir Dairy Coalition has weakened Israel's international

standing to an unprecedented low, endangering IDF soldiers abroad. At least he acknowledges that they are abroad. Abroad. And not in greater Israel. I love the sensible middle in Israel. Thank you. At least they do that. No, he's talking about the IDF soldiers who go to Colombia. Oh, he is. He absolutely is. That's a very good point.

Endangering our brave men and women in Thailand and Crete and Patagonia. The IDF soldiers from the bikini division who go to American summer camps for Jewish children. Housing the mellow of many an ayahuasca trip in the Amazon jungle of IDF soldiers, just trying to forget about the

babies they crushed on the bulldozers. Yes, the IDF Argentina Handjob Battalion there. Harassing Thai bar owners and Argentinians. Oh, yeah. Our street team in Tokyo.

That's right. And armoring our anti-Semitic enemies around the world. But condemnation is not enough. Instead of just talking about what not to do, it's time to talk about what to do. Ooh, I hope it's leave. Is it leave? No.

This is how we will fix Israel's Hasbara when we return to lead Israel. So this is a campaign ad, really. Oh, I see. One, we will establish a powerful national Hasbara authority. The authority will set Israel's messaging strategy, coordinate between bodies, and ensure that the Israeli response is swift, unified, and professional. It will have an independent budget, a professional, independent of U.S. taxpayers, perhaps,

a professional director, and its own, a professional director, like Quentin Tarantino. They do have them there. Ratnard? There's a lot of professional directors in Israel with a lot of Hollywood experience. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot, dude. They got a whole little mini-Hollywood there

of people with the allegations. Mr. Tarantino will, Minister Tarantino will ensure that Israel's Hasbara stands on its own two feet, and they are always being filmed. Always feet. They will show those feet a lot. In my government.

There are some words he is dying to use. Yeah, exactly. The Hasbara will be filled with white people saying slills. People will love it. There will be a John Lennon Peridou song called Israel is the something of the world. Yes. In my government, the Hasbara headquarters operated excellently. I placed at its head one of the most talented people in Israel, Elad Tena.

Never heard of him. A founder of the public broadcaster, former editor of Makor Richon, which is a massively right-wing supremacist rag. We read something from it a few weeks ago. Yeah. And today, editor-in-chief of the Yetiote group, the headquarters was, so that's Yenet. The headquarters was agile, lean, sophisticated. Yeah, sure was, dude.

They're very sophisticated, Hasbara programming of just saying nothing while they displaced more and more Palestinian people. I love that there's like a complete misunderstanding of why people are right now, you know, coming out of realizing that Israel is bad. And it has 100% to do with the fact that Israel insisted on loyalty for the past two and a half years from every single media person, from every single world leader,

just insisted that everything that they did is good and above. of water and, you know, not to believe your eyes or ears. Like, as if enough talented Hezbaristas will stop people from turning on Israel. As if this is in any way different from the policy that got them here. Right, exactly. We just want to do more Hasbara. You threw 150 million at it. Right.

It's like, oh, but it was, we're tired of doing bad Hasbara. Now we're going to do good Hasbara. But no, there's no other kind anymore, man. Yeah, exactly. There probably never was. Unfortunately, in the current government, everything has been dismantled. I mean, this is honestly, I feel bad for Elon Levy because this is a real sub-tweet. I know.

I know. He's really going after the citizen spokespeople and the ad hoc, you know, the sort of disorganized. This is the reason we refuse to pay Elon Levy because he did not do a good job. His invoices are net 30. He knows we only pay net 90. That's right. We provided him with a staff of 11-year-olds. Yes. Which he assured us.

As well as a Israeli flagged cone for him to place behind him. And yet he still sues us. A cone like to sit on? Is that what you're saying? No, the background of. any, you know, whether it's a PR person or Benjamin Netanyahu or Alon Levy, behind them, you'll see an Israeli flag, but it's not actually a flag. It's a cone that... Like a traffic cone? No, now I got to get a picture of the cone. So it's meant to look like the flag

sort of has some volume behind it, but it's not an actual flag. It's just a cone made to look like a flag. Exactly. It's a cone made to look like a flag. Here, I'll show you an example of his beautiful flag cone. This is Alon Levy's wonderful flag cone that he has been using to try to look like he is still as spokesperson for Israel. Yeah. Yeah, that's not an actual flag. That's a cone. And in fact, in his case, it might not even be a cone. It might just be a green screen with an image of a cone behind him. Yeah. He's so cool. Shout out to A-LON. Hope he's living life and love and life. That's right. Item two, the best for Hasbara. Israel's Hasbara, Hasbara, will, actually, it is, it's not even Hasbara.

It's Hasbara, actually. I realized, I looked at the Hebrew spelling. Anyway, it doesn't matter. It will be managed by professionals, not political appointees. We will recruit experts in international media, social networks, public opinion research, crisis management, creativity, data and technology. One man, one man and one man alone.

Jesse Brown. Yes, baby. He does it all. Get Jesse up in there. Jesse's so good at this. He just did another event. He said Ben Shapiro wasn't enough. He's launched a new podcast

and had Christia Freeland on, the daughter of a fucking Ukrainian Nazi, the former Canadian foreign minister, who's an absolute warhawk. Anyway, it's a great development. I love that. What were you going to say, Adam?

This is against the backdrop of the $730 million Hasbara budget. You know, we're going to professionalize none of this nearly a billion dollar amateur hour. Yeah, on a shoestring budget of a billion dollars.

No, we're going to professionalize it. No more will we be paying some random influencer to talk about this. No, instead we're going to get Sam Harris. Like what else is left at this point? Also, This is so much work and so much money for just, how about just not being genocidal racist maniacs? That's also a possibility, isn't it?

Well, this is the thing about a narcissistic abuser, right? Everything but changing the behavior. I'll change the explanation. I'll buy you more gifts. I'll, I will make sure I call from my weekends away with my mistress. be more fastidious in keeping up appearances. That's right. Yeah, this is like the recent John Marco Sarasi tweet when his dad picked him up from his

divorced mom's house. What does she have at her house? I'll buy it. I'll buy you whatever you want. Yeah, exactly. We will create a pool of spokespeople. Hell yeah. I hope there's no lifeguard in major languages who will appear, and we will announce it all in

advance. We will tell the world this is what we're doing. Yeah, we'll let everyone know. So that it feels really spontaneous and credible when it happens. Yes, exactly. Who will appear in global media podcasts, universities, and social networks. I love how university is crammed in there next to podcast and social networks. We will initiate a presence in every language, in every arena, at every hour.

Every hour. The Jewish state. You have 24 hours. It really is like it is a very bombed villain coded missive. Yes. Yes. But not even coded. Yeah.

I mean, that's a thing. I mean, coded in terms of it was originally in Hebrew. So this was supposed to be more inward facing than outward facing. Well, props to whoever cracked the code by logging in with the auto-translate function on. It's just so stupid. You really, you know, it's like the whatever that thing was called. Drax filter on it. Right.

Dude, it's absolutely insane to be like, the problem is we're not doing enough podcasts. How many? How many podcasts do you need? Like, this is crazy. We need the Joe Rogan of the Reich. We will establish a consciousness and technology war room. Hell yeah.

that almost sounds like a new age. Yeah, it totally does. Yeah. Everyone will be in warrior pose. Yes, we will all microdotes, ayahuasca, and think about our existence on this planet and how we can wipe out some other people's existence on this planet. We will take a deep inhale and then breathe out with the syllable, Ohm land.

The lie machines operating against Israel run a smart, sophisticated, and timed campaign. We will operate an advanced war room that will monitor the discourse in real time, identify disinformation before it takes hold, and distribute sharp, accurate, and fast content. Our lie machine will be green and renewable. Yes. Our line machine will love gay marriage and will say that. And this is the natural extension of the surveillance state slash content moderation slash anti-discrimination expertise slash fact-checking. The whole industry that cropped up during the Trump and COVID era that liberals got so excited about

that was going to finally set things right in the world and weed out all of the miscreants who are filling our children and cousins head with right-wing garbage. Well, great. Now it's in the hands of the most, or now it's on the radar of the most genocidal country in the world. This is why, you know, when it comes to, you know, the internet and, you know, internet censorship and all that stuff, you know, I always end up sort of aligning with the people who are like actively trying to stop these politicians from getting rid of like Section 230, you know, stuff like that. Because you're a libertarian. Yeah, because I'm, well, I mean, that's the thing is it's like the probably the most libertarian position that I have, which is that like section 230 at this point, if you think that

the, you know, content moderation is going to only be used to stop misinformation that is actual misinformation. Like, if you think it's going to be used like ethically, like, I'm sorry, but it's, it's, you've got another thing coming. This is how these governments work is they will do everything they can to abuse these types of tools to make sure that you're going to have the same, that yeah, you're going to have the content moderation that you were dreading before, that you're going to have the misinformation that you are worried about now is going to be even worse. In this case, they're not even, they're lying when they talk about misinformation.

Because what they're talking about is IDF soldiers themselves putting out videos and images of them doing war crimes. But to me, this goes back to one of the essential more principal problems with the sort of content moderation philosophy. We don't need to get into the abstractions of it too much. But I don't think it's possible. I just don't think it's possible to come up with a standard principled, consistent definition of what counts as misinformation. The term itself just means stuff I don't agree. with stuff I don't think is true. Well, I mean, that's the I in that equation. That's the, yeah, that's the, the, essentially what it's turned into. People will call anything misinformation

that is just an opinion that they don't like. And, and, you know, in this case, Natali Bennett and a lot of people talk about misinformation coming from the ever, ever working lie machine from Iran or whatever. They're talking about. the videos that you yourself are seeing that are published by Palestinians who are documenting their own genocide and they're saying those are fake they're trying to you know say that that's misinformation or if they're not fake they're not contextualized whatever right exactly stuff they don't like it's stuff that's inconvenient to their narrative and to their big you know 20 billion dollar plan to

revamp Hasbara yeah number four we will unite all forces into one national effort. Today, there are many excellent private Hasbara efforts operating out of a sense of mission around the world, but they operate alone. We will connect them to a coordinated campaign, one fist for Israel. All right. A thousand year Hasbara Reich. Yes, let's fist Israel, you guys. That's great. All together now. There's a lot of great private sector jobs in Hasbara, but they need a little bit of leadership. That's great. That's great. We need to socialize national.

We need a Hasbara kibbutz. It's so crazy because it's like what, please show me the examples of where the Hasbara went wrong. Don't show me the examples of like the effect. Like the consequences of the bad hasbara is that everyone is changing and believing that Israel is bad. No, show me what you think is wrong. What's wrong is when I. The graphic design.

Yeah. Come on. Just do one example. Well, no, his example, which triggered the whole thing, is Ben Gavir. So that's when someone too high up is too demonstrative in their cruelty and brutality. That's not his barra. You know what I'm saying? We need to take the Lee Majors TV show and do a dub of it of, I'm just a handsome cabinet minister.

And you may know me as the fall guy. Yeah, exactly. Actually, I want to push back on what you said, Matt, because I think in Ben-Givir's mind, it is Hasbara. He is explaining through actions, not words, because he's not a words guy, you know. He's not one of these Ashkenazi elitists. He demonstrates and explains through his actions to the world

that if you come here trying to break our naval blockade, we will break you. And that's his version of Hasbara, which is a completely natural extension of the exact same kind of. Hasbara that Natali want. It's all intimidation. It's all bullying just with different facial expressions. Okay. I mean, I don't know. I see it as more part of

like at best their internal like poison machine, right? Like it's their like if that if that is expected to be their outward facing Hasbara, I mean I just I'm shocked to believe that's the case because it is. In his mind I'm saying not from the point of view of any coordinated campaign. No, of course. He went rogue. Yeah, in his mind, you know, that's, I mean, but that's, that is Ben Gavir. To me, it's like what they need is a Hasbara campaign, a coordinated one, like they're

doing now when it comes to Ben Gavir, to get everyone to have a uniform like we have decided, this is too far. And that's what they've done with the Ben Gavir stuff. They're saying, this is too far. And this is an example of a good, Hasbara campaign where we all collectively, as Israelis, as Zionists, as pro-Israel, whatever, just say that Ben-Givir is bad and we do not condone his behavior. And also the main problem is that there were cameras there. It's not. Right, of course.

That's the whole thing with that. That goes what I was saying. But so I guess in the sense in which you're using good versus bad Hasbara is playing the goodness versus playing the villain. Right. Right. And Badazbara is very much typified by we're bad now and we don't care. We will build an international alliance against

disinformation and poison. Israel is not alone. There are other democracies grappling with disinformation attacks and attempts at influence by foreign actors. We are one of them. I feel you, Don. We should know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Recognize that one. We will work together with technological, legal and media tools to fight the lie machines that poison young people around the world.

Soon we will return to lead the country. We will fix everything they destroyed and strengthen Israel. Soon, good days will come. Seekhail! Yeah. Oh, sorry, that's the Israeli threat. God, that is just, I love it. I love it.

I love it because once again, they've done the thing that it always shocks me every time they do, which is whenever they, they, have a PR crisis. The way that they manage it is by saying, we're bad at managing PR crises, but we're going to get better. Which is a, it's just a crazy way to manage any crisis is to be like,

hey guys, I know the thing you just saw, you know, the allegations that came out about me seem really rough. But I just want to let you know, the reason why you saw it is because we're not good at suppressing that shit right now. And we're trying to get, better. I pledge to do better at suppressing that. I'm trying to up the budget on how many people

I can hire to threaten my exes for making those allegations on Twitter. I'm going to lie to you in a different font from now on. We're working with our partner, Wiley Coyote, to arrange a deal with the Acme-Hasbarra Corporation to send us some excuses and alibis. That'll work this time. Yeah. We realize that just drawing a tunnel into a mountainside no longer has the effect on the public that it used to. We need to draw a tunnel with hostages in it. That's right. It's just such a, it's such a strange thing that they do every time, which is go like, God damn it, all of the things that people are seeing, we're just so bad at explaining it away.

God. Well, shout out to Nafthali. I'm sure you will someday, you know, come. to power and then when you do literally nothing material will change except maybe there'll be fewer hand-wringing articles in american liberal zionist uh outlets talking about how we need to change the government and then everything will be fine that's right that's right yeah because it will have happens once you're there everything's fine everyone's cool well speaking of israel not being able to keep foreign actors and poison merchants and lie machines out of their media.

Uh-huh. We have quite an example of this. Yes, we do. Where, you know, they basically did a sleepover with the enemy. They brought someone in onto their national media stage to have a conversation with one of their lead anchors on Channel 13. And I don't know how they thought it was going to go. and I don't know much about how it was received in Israel.

I think generally speaking, it was received as kind of a disaster. Yeah. We're talking, of course, about one Tucker Carlson, someone that we've spoken about in some ways ad nauseum on this show. And I think today we're going to try not to repeat ourselves. Well, speaking of that. Yeah, go for it. Because we often do repeat ourselves when it comes to talking about Tucker Carlson, And no matter what, we still get taken in bad faith by some people who just think the mere existence of his name on the podcast is an endorsement.

I've created a content warning for those who, you know, can't handle the segment. So here it is right here. The following segment contains video or references to a racist, sexist, and or white identity and conservative commentator who happens to be better on Palestine relative to their interlocutor, which some viewers may find disturbing, causing them to last. out at the Bad Has Barra podcast for drawing attention to it, assuming incorrectly that this constitutes an endorsement of said conservative commentator whom we have just previously mentioned is a racist, racist, and white, a tenetarian, which we think is bad. Viewers may be tempted to use the word glazing, platforming or boosting to describe the segment, no matter how many times we preface it with insert person's name here is bad and not our friend, followed by statements about how Maga Chuds breaking away from a reflexive defense of Israel is ultimately a good thing because of the whole genocide thing. Some viewers may find this reality disturbing. Viewer discretion is advised. Yeah. Important. Important. Just important. Just important. Just, uh, We'll just play that every time we mention, I don't know, Margie Taylor Green or fucking Tucker Carlson. Next week, we're having Chrissy DeStefano and Mark Norman on the show. That's right.

Yeah, and we'll play it for them too. But yes, this is our segment. Talk my life. Talk my mouth. All right. Let's do it. So, 49 minutes. Tell me about it.

49 minutes. They, this, I don't know the anchor's name. He had Tucker Carlson on his program. And it was, I guess, polite, but very hostile, the questioning, incessant, constant, like he asks a question and then, like, literally, Carson can't get out two sentences without more, you know, Hasbara happy interruptions. And it's an interesting listen. If you can, if you can make it through, if, if Carlson doesn't, you know, make your skin crawl too much, if the Israeli anchor doesn't piss you off too much. It's illuminating in many ways. And, you know, I'll just get out of the way and say, there's plenty of things that I was screaming.

I was listening to it in the car this morning, driving back from a friend's place out in the country. And, you know, I was yelling at a few minutes at Carlson, being like, no, say this. No, you miss this, you know? Yeah, yeah. But at a certain point, I just gave up because he has his range of rebuttals and he has his range of objections.

and the things he does, well, you know, you can call it glazing if you want, or praising, I think that one of the things that I think is key when listening to him, sure, yeah, we can lament that the left and the liberals don't have anyone nearly this prominent saying things nearly this clearly. I think it's also possible to listen to what he does well and learn from it. The way he questions the premises of every question, he's not going to. He's not going to Are you having to hand it to him, Daniel? I don't have to. I'm choosing to.

Okay. Because that's what handing it to people means. You, on the principle of what's effective, you're like, you know, if I hate a basketball player, if I hate a hockey player, for instance, you know, I'm right around watching the hockey playoffs. I'm rooting for the Montreal Canadiens, you know. And there's a guy on the Carolina Hurricanes named Stank Oven. That's pronounced Stank Oven, but anyway.

Sure. I don't like the guy. He's a stank oven. I don't like his team. I don't like their coach, but they played a good game in game too. Right. And they tied the series. I got to hand it to them.

I mean, he's got, that's the thing. He does have these rhetorical strategies that like just putting the politics aside are a good thing for anyone to learn if you're someone who wants to also debate. He's so good at TV. He's good at TV. That's what he does. And he's quick. He's listening actively. to what the questioner is doing

and what the questioner is doing under the surface of the question, which with Hasbaristas, you have to do. Right, exactly. And if you do it well, you'll expose them as completely flat-footed and clumsy. Right, because a lot of the questions come with sort of assumptions

that are baked into the question that need to be drawn out. They need to be made explicit rather than implicit which is just a good it's just a good debate tactic rhetorical tactic anyways but let's play

some of this because I've only seen a little bit For example in Gaza have you actually labeled Israel as committing genocide? You said that. Ethnic cleansing. Israel's trying to take the people who live there and move them out. You said about Israel is killing the people

about the state of the Jews you said we are committing genocide Well, I've never said the state of the Jews is committing genocide. Israel is not the state of... No, Israel is not the state of the Jews. Plenty of Jews don't live in Israel. In fact, I think about half of global Jewry doesn't live in Israel, and a lot of them don't support Israel.

So the idea that Israel... The anger starts laughing as if that's a technicality. Yeah, they don't live here yet. Also, he is just sort of trying to suppress the hate, vomit, and bile bubbling within him. and he's like, oh yeah, I feel so sick. I can't, what you're talking? It happens over the course of the entire interview.

There's a few moments where Tucker kind of owns him in a joking way in a way that an Israeli can appreciate. Like there's a few moments of like little almost affectionate grudging. All right, but anyway, continue. Jew and the world is a lie. You know it's a lie. Israel is committed in your eyes. And I don't think it helps anybody to tell that lie.

All right. So telling your. your interviewer, what you just said, what you just said tangentially. You were asking me a different question about genocide, but on the way to asking me that question, you made a statement that you want me to ignore that's completely fallacious and actually destructive, and you know that it is. That's an, and you can see how disarming that, I mean, not disarming, but how how disabling that is to this interviewer. Right. Yeah. It's the, it's the ingenuousness that he's playing, the sincerity of how can you say this about the state of the Jews?

He's also, he's, you know, he's found a clever way to not fully acknowledge his position on whether or not he personally technically calls this a genocide. Well, wait for it, though. Wait for, wait for it. Well, no, no, I know, I know. And but I, you know, I think it's important because also a big part of the, the genocide, quote, debate is about distracting people. and getting into the nitty-gritty and the technicalities of the exact definition of what constitutes a genocide

so that you can then downplay what you've done by pointing out other genocides with higher body counter or whatnot. Like it is a trap question. So whether or not you say it is or isn't a genocide, which it is, you can, he's, at least in this case, avoiding that trap and trying to get him into this different trap, which I think is a good tactic. Plus he used, plus the anchor is using the state of the Jews. He's weaponizing the Jewishness of it to suggest something extra offensive and upset. Right, it's anti-Semitic. Suggesting that such a state would do such a thing.

Yeah, who us? We? All Jews. Genocide us? Yeah, exactly. Human cruelty, us? No. Abusing power us?

We could never. We could never. Israel is killing innocence in Gaza, including children, and doing so on purpose. But about genocide, this is... That's your view. It's not my view. It's a fact. No, you were journalists.

Genocide is a precise legal definition. See, this is what he's trying to do. You want to go there? Killings of thousand, which I regret, of course. And I understand your point of view. How much do you regret it? By the fact that you label it is... It don't seem to regret it too much.

It's genocide. Isn't it wrong? I'm not smelling any regret. I would say, I'm only journalist. But you said Israel is what you're saying, no, no, no, what you're saying is, so Israel has murdered all these children, thousands of children in Gaza. But the real criminal is me because I described that as genocide. Okay, it's not genital. It's killing innocence.

It's wrong. You can call it genocide or ethnic cleansing. So you're not calling it a crime, a sin, an atrocity. You know, I don't believe there. So I have won this point. Yes. Yeah. So I win.

So therefore it is good. Everything is good. Yeah, you love us. You love us. The law says that everything short of genocide is fine. That's right. That's right. What I'm saying is murdering children is wrong.

You're more upset by how I described the murder of children than you are at the murder of children, which says a lot, I think. No, I do think so. Okay. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. You know I love hand grenades. You know I love hand grenades.

Did you see that maybe at the end there, Adam? Motherfucker said, maybe. Oh, my God. So that was very elegant, I think. Yeah, no, it was good. I mean, that's the thing is, again, this is content warning from the beginning. But, you know, the way in which he is pulling apart sort of this, you know, I'm going to say as an aside that, of course, killing people is bad. We all know that, and I regret it.

And he's like, no, wait. let's stop down on that point for a second. Do you regret it? Because it seems like you're doing everything but regretting it. You're running cover, in fact, for the continued killing of Palestinian people, women, children, combatants, non-combatants. It's just this is you continuing to run cover for that. So how much do you actually regret it, which is a real point to make? And I think that's a point that anyone should make when they get you into a conversation

about genocide. Now, I personally am someone who says when someone asks you about whether or not it's a genocide, you have tons of sources that you can point them to that say, yes, it's a genocide, including Israeli human rights organizations who say it's a genocide. But... Israeli legal scholars, if you want to talk about legal standards. Holocaust scholars as well saying that this is a genocide. So... But Tucker never points to That's not in his wheelhouse. That's one of the things I was screaming at the radio. And it's just, it's just not something he does.

He appeals to his principles, his Americanness, and certain kind of, you know, things that don't sound as well read. Getting Tucker on Israeli TV is just so funny to me. Because it's like, what do we, what do you guys think is going to happen here? You know? And the sort of the pretense of dumbness that he employs you, like, is it that? Yeah, right. Do you think it's a genocide? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

It's an amazing rhetorical technique. It is, it is, yeah. It's just really interesting to see Tucker being face-to-face with an Israeli newscaster because he is going to kind of, I'm sorry, but it's not dissimilar to when he's face-to-face with a liberal Zionist or, you know, mainstream media host in that, like, one person is able to speak freely about at least their own opinion about stuff, which is all he does is opine. And the other one is not. The other one is hamstrung by concerns about, well, what is the style guide say I'm allowed to say about it. And he knows that, which means he

knows that every question will contain a lie. And he will not let a lying question go. He won't just answer a question that contains a lie. Right. And by the way, the interview starts with the question. The interviewer says, who do you represent in America? I says, well, I don't represent anybody. I represent myself. I think my views are closer to the majority of Americans than Donald Trumps are on Iran and lots of other things and on Israel, but I don't, you know, so that position of, I'm just stating my opinion based on my values, again, for someone like him has rhetorical power. I do wish he was the kind of person who would quote sources, but you know what? He's on Israeli TV, and I'm not. And this is again, when you talk about the function, people say,

oh, you trust him? It's not about trusting him. You think he's ideologically anti-Zionist? Of course he's not. He has no ideology except white adarentarianism and American chauvinism. But I don't care about his ideology. I care about his function. And we're not talking about ideology. We're talking about counter-Hasbara. Yes, exactly. We have to be very clear about this. It's an information war, not primarily an ideological war. is an ideological war going on, and there's a resistance struggle and a liberation struggle, and all these things are happening simultaneously. But if anyone thinks that we are in the resistance or that most people online are in the resistance, you know, and we can talk about Rashi Khaled's

comments about this maybe some other time, but it's, I think you have to get your head straight. What we're doing on this show is counter Hasbara. We're just doing a different version of it than what Tucker Carlson's doing, and we have a different role in a different lane and a much smaller reach. a different ideological viewpoint. And that's not to say that like, oh, this is just, you know, different ideal. No, I find his ideological viewpoint on pretty much every issue to be extremely abhorrent because I'm not right wing. I'm not someone who's into race science. And it's in fact one of the reasons why I think Israel's so, you know, evil and destructive is because it is that.

It is right wing. It is race science based. It is, you know, all of those things. but this is counter Hezbarah and we talk about people countering it and the function that he has like I've said a thousand times over is that I'm not going to be able to get chuds to read marks someone might be able to do that not me I'm not smart enough to do that I am not also I look if I were not Jackson Hinkle okay no we I mean look I'm just saying look at us you think the two like look at this whole podcast we're just like we're not

chads we're chad gad yeah we're chads we're chads and we we're chad gad yeah it's all spelled the same but it looks and sounds different and there's no there's no fucking uh you know maga guy who's going to you know, be convinced by us. And Tucker is different. Tucker will be able to convince these fucking shots. I don't know why. He also looks like a fucking liberal elite coastal piece of shit.

But they trust him because they think he has credibility because you so many times said all this pro-white shit. And they saw him do a Zinn stunt with the Nelk brothers or whatever. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he speaks their language. He speaks, yeah, he speaks their language. So it's like, again...

And it would be very nice, by the way, if an adversarial interviewer did an interview with Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson to him on the other issues. Yes, 100%. Or someone who was being interviewed by him would pick, because he has all kinds of little slimy asides

when it comes to many issues. He's like, that's obvious. Everyone knows that. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of little asides that he could be nailed on exactly the way that he nails this slimy has barrest. Right, exactly.

Should you watch another clip? Yeah, let's watch another one. It is never allowable, period, for any person to kill an innocent. You can't kill a child. The child did nothing wrong. It is always immoral to do that. You can say, well I did this reason, but it's... Yeah, first of all, Dennis the Menace.

There are some scamps and scallywags in the world, Mr. Carlson. Yeah. They will use... their slingshot against our beautiful idea of troops, we will use our grenades. It doesn't make it right. It's always wrong. And civilized people understand that. That's what civilized people are. That's the definition of a civilized country. I agree with you. But it seems like when you speak about Israel as the most violent state in the world, you forget to mention that it is the most attacked.

state in the world from so many enemies, like any other country in the world. So if you don't put this equation together, it seems like we are doing it for fun or that we lost our morality. This is self-defense.

Because we love to kill people. And it's our entire national identity. It seems like you're saying that. Yeah, it's strange because you don't put in the context of, you know, what that little baby said that one time.

You don't put in the context that... He's reading Hitler. He's a baby reading Arabic Hitler. Equation together, it seems like we are doing it for fun or that we lost our morality. This is self-defense. Well, Israel has definitely lost its morality. There's no question about that, of course.

I do think, and I would always say, because it's true, that Israel has many enemies, The look on his face on the interviewer's face who was just like, oh, he just shoved a lump of shit down my throat. 100%. And he keeps opening his gullet for more lumps of shit. Now, again,

someone like me, someone like us, many of our listeners listening to that, would be like, no, you fucker. Israel hasn't lost its morality. It never had it to begin with. Haven't you ever heard of the Nakba? Haven't you ever heard of Tantura? Dera Yassin, whatever. All valid in the ultimate sphere, right? Like in the realm of truth, I would completely agree with that.

And in the abstract, that would be the correct answer. But here you are on Israeli television, and the guy asks you a completely bad faith question, right? And there's this expression my dad always loves to use from Hungarian when something is so false that not even the opposite is true. Well, Tucker is like, okay, let me even,

maybe he believes, maybe Tucker actually believes that Israel used to be moral. But even saying to this guy, I'd argue it's more effective to say to this guy or just as effective in this context, of course Israel's lost its morality. That's inarguable. You're probably going to reach more people with that because it is in arguable than to bring in history and say Israel never had it to begin with. Because then you get into a whole bunch of other arguments. So in this context, again, even Tucker's limitations have functional, strategic, tactical, advantages, I think. And also consider who's watching, too, because this is Israeli TV. And,

you know, I'm not saying that these are necessarily calculations he's made. I think he actually would argue, even outside of Israeli TV, that Israel once had morality and now lost it. Well, they must have had it because he used to like them. Right. Exactly. I mean, exactly. And so, but considering who is watching this, it's going to be a lot of Israelis who, are going to be, at this point, there are some Israelis who do question, wait, are we the bad guys now? And there, of course, you know, not enough of them.

But yeah, that is who he's talking to. And he's not going to convince most Israelis of anything. But there are a few who might be like, well, he did say lost, you know, like the softening of it might be helpful for some. I don't know. Mixed with the tone of it, which is, come on, you guys. Just admit it.

Come on. Right. Right. Stop. Like, stop it. You're embarrassing yourself. Exactly. And there's a straight talk to that, but also a kind of, maybe, you know,

the kind of warmth or familiarity of like, let's not bullshit each other around here. Yeah, don't bullshit a bullshitter. Don't bullshit a bullshed. We all know what this is. That's right. Let's finish this clip. I would always say, because it's true, that Israel is many enemies, many of whom have committed atrocities against innocent Israelis,

blowing up people in cafes in Tel Aviv as every bit as immoral as killing any other innocent in any other country at any other time. It's all wrong. What makes it of interest to me, and by the way, there are many countries that commit atrocities, not just Israel, but from my, of course not.

And the United States has committed many atrocities. And I grieve that. It's wrong. The reason that I have caused to comment on this and to say that it's wrong is that I'm paying for it. There's no reason the United States should be sending any money at all to Israel, and particularly not to its military. Even if the price will be the annihilation of Israel, this is not your problem. I don't want.

Let me be clear. This is the morality that you're preaching for. The craziest thing that he could possibly imagine, you mean you would support something that is bad for Israel? Yeah, you mean that would kill everybody in the world, including us? Yeah, it is, I love that, you know, immediate jump to no support by the U.S. So you're okay if I die. That's what you're saying. Because I need it.

Give you the money. But what if I made this sad face? Yeah. Nobody likes us. Everybody hates us. What if we all went and ate worms? Well, let me tell you what I do think. which is I don't want Israel to be destroyed.

I don't want any Israeli to be harmed. I personally have always liked Israel. Not that that's relevant, but I have. So it's not, I don't want anyone to be hurt in Israel. I just don't understand why the United States has an obligation to pay for any of this, to send the weapons for it, to lend its moral authority to Israel, to lend its diplomatic cover to Israel, to lend its air force and its Navy and its military Israel. I don't understand where does this obligation come from.

And no one will answer that question. And instead they say, well, you're an anti-Semite. Well, I'm not an anti-Semite. Yeah, do whatever you want. Keep it off my black amics. Yeah, right, exactly. He does really skirt that line where it's like, you know, for him, you do wonder how much of this is just like, well, you know, who's going to pay for it? It's like his, it's the same problem he has with Medicare for all, right?

You know? But also, it's a, it's, again, it's how it's how you get the chuds. Yeah. No, it's true, though. But quite aside from right-wing, left-wing, I think for Americans, in the current economic crisis that people are in, you know, especially people outside of our coastal elite bubbles,

but including people in our coastal elite bubbles, too, more and more people in our circles, right? It's not a bad rhetorical strategy. No, I don't think so either. Where's your money going? Or your money's going to kill kids across the world? Why? Now, one of the funny things that happens in the aftermath of that,

exchange and we probably don't have time to keep playing more and more clips but just to summarize it the the shortly after that or just before it the the anchor says are you are you aware that um in saying that israel is pulling the strings of america and and manipulating a u.s policy that you are echoing centuries old anti-semitic tropes basically you must be aware of that and do you take responsibility for the growing anti-semitism in america and it's just a It's truly amazing just that the automatic slime. Right. Yeah.

That's right. Yeah, it is really, you know. And if your country is truly so hard up for cash, why do you not ask us then for a high interest loan? We could easily provide. We know a guy who knows a guy. Yes. Don't worry about the vague.

The vague, of course, you know, does get tacked onto the principle, but that's only if you don't make a payment. It's only $30. I'm sorry. I used to watch you on Fox News. You seem like you have a few extra pounds of flesh. We could make a deal.

You could lose a few pounds. You know, the camera adds 10 pounds of flesh. But yeah, no, I mean, just like this shit, you know, it spread online. and I was watching it and I just kind of like, again, I shook my head and I said, this is, you know, this is another, another Tucker taking it straight to the talking points and being able to bat his way past them and just, and I, you know, I see this show as being about those talking points, being about that type of propaganda and the usefulness of Tucker Carlson, at least from my. perspective, from our perspective, I think, as like, you know, people on the left is purely as like, well, look strategically at the way in which he's able to bathe's off. Look at what the assholes doing. Look at what the asshole can do. And quite frankly, it is quite, I mean, if you take your

time machine back any amount of time in the past to imagine that like someone like this will end up on, on Israeli television for an extended interview like that in English. it's quite remarkable. It's actually quite remarkable. It's a real act of positive penetration, I'll say. Yes. And it's also, it shows... Consensual, too, apparently.

Yes. And it also shows you where, I think, where a lot of... I mean, shows you what Israeli... Not maybe society, but also the Israeli government is afraid of here. Tucker Carlson. and any sort of right-wing political figure who is turning on Israel is a threat to them. And you can see it in how often they are trying to not just combat that threat, but also concede to it. By how often they are apologizing for defacing a statue of Jesus or for any attacks against Christ.

They want to neutralize it by any means. Yes. And again, there's a strategic benefit to, this is not allowing Tucker Carlson into our movement. This is looking at what he's doing and going like, all right, well, I hope he keeps trying to peel these, you know, maggachuds away from just sort of a, yeah, a reflexive pro-Israel stance. and I am not going to be, he's not going to be coming to any of the anti-racist marches.

I'll say that. He is not going to be occupying any buildings, all right? Also, I just have to say this. Our movement. Let me be Tucker Carlson for a second and question the premise of just something that goes by that people just say, our movement. Who the fuck are we to decide what our movement is

and who gets to be in it or not? Like, we are posters. We are podcasters. We are online typing clever little barbs that only people in our circle really even understand to keep morale up to play our function in the information war. We do dick jokes about Israel. We do dick jokes about it. And it's very strategic and targeted actually.

Like there's a point to it. And it seems to have a positive effect, right? So we keep doing it. That doesn't make me a movement leader in any respect whatsoever. And if you want to listen to people that could credibly be called the movement, and even then that's problematic because you have Palestinians disagreeing with each other about all kinds of things, but at least they have the historical, ethnic, family, you know, national standing to be counted as part of that liberation struggle, like in the center of it, well, they're split

on the functionality of a Tucker Carlson. And, you know, so I just, I just, when people, when people, Some are split on the functionality of liberal Zionists. I mean, that's the whole thing. And I'm sure some are split on the appropriateness or functionality about Hasbara, and that's fine. Oh, for sure. And they'll say so in the comments. And they'll let us know. And then, well, they'll get mad.

And, you know, it's not to say that it's people's posting or whatnot. Like, oh, nothing matters, all you're doing. But it's about sort of, it's about trying to, uh, trying to, uh, It's about, I guess, sort of, you know, it's, what do you call it? A little bit of it is stealing valor. A lot of us are doing a little much when we think that our posting is a part of the resistance in this way where we can speak over other people. Where we can set any terms. That's what the only liberal science is speaking over is one another on this podcast.

That's right. That's exactly right. That's who we speak over. each other and we just see if any of us can get a word and this is a safe space for Matt not to be heard because I'm talking over him. I can be heard if I just continue

talking during it. So those are the only people. Anyways, the point is we do have ads probably. So everyone please listen to those ads and we

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So, no, we need to talk a little bit about what's going on in the NBA. There is, of course, the Western and Eastern Conference Finals happening right now. If you don't know anything about basketball, don't worry about it. You don't need to know much for this next segment in which we talk about ball has barred. I love this right up. Give me all your tax money, but I can buy weapons. Thank you.

So the Oklahoma City Thunder are currently playing the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference finals. there was an article that came out, it was, it came out and was quickly deleted. In the Oklahoman, it was an opinion piece that said, the parallels between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the nation of Israel are difficult to ignore. Neither was supposed to become what it is. So I want to just read a little bit of this for you because it was quickly deleted. There are many trails and many tears in both lands.

That's right. You know, you'd think that they would be some sort of, I don't know, self-awareness. Self-awareness to the fact that Oklahoma is filled with, I believe, the largest indigenous population in terms of states. Massive reservations, yeah. Massive reservations. By the way, reservation dogs, one of the best television shows the last 20 years. That is a great show. That is a great show. That is a great show.

And there's a lot of great. You got Dallas go to it on this show. They did. They did. They got Dallas go to it. we got to get Dallas Goldtooth on this show. Oh yeah, we do. I would be really sick. But it's very cool to see him on that show. He's amazing.

Amazing activist, cool person. All right, so I want to read this a little bit of this to you, just because it's just so insane. They deleted it, right? They did. They deleted it almost immediately after they claim there was threats came in. That's how, at least that's how the foe, that's how the foe they did an article about it. That's how they framed it.

When what I saw was they just got made fun of to a degree that was insane. Like, it just spread everywhere because people were like, give me a fucking break guy. How did you squeeze Israel into this? But let me read this to you. It's NBA playoff season.

And once again, as fans are glued to their televisions, a lot of this is, as you can see, has not been edited. or spell or grammar corrected. There is something strangely familiar, a brew between the online keyboard warriors and the voices of punitry as they respond to the continued dominance of the Oklahoma City Thunder, a young, disciplined, strategically crafted organization, impeccably drafted and relentlessly adherent to a culture of selflessness and community, suddenly finds itself resented. The greater the Thunder's success becomes, the more critics seem determined to diminish.

it or even root for its demise. Well, there actually is, there are some strong parallels, you know? Yeah, that's true. Because, you know, both came from somewhere else where they were much more at home. That's right. You know, we are the Seattle Supersonics of Europe, you know?

The funniest thing about this was the, Ken Jennings, of all people, who we got to get him on this podcast. The Jeopardy guy wrote this tweet, broke. It's anti-Semitic. not to root for the Oklahoma City Thunder. Woke, the Oklahoma City Thunder must be returned to their ancestral Zionist homeland in Seattle.

That's amazing, Ken Jennings. Ken Jennings, officially friend of the pod. So, this is some of the worst, like, did they get paid by the character writing? It's tortured. It's tortured because it's the same point over and over and over again. And there are certain points where you're like, well, this isn't about the fucking Oklahoma City Thunder at all. This is just you liking Israel.

Oh, Oklahoma were the Jews. They make the desert bloom. Yeah. As a fiercely proud Oklahoman and a Jew. The Markava with the Siri on top. I would love to take it done. Oh, what a beautiful money. This strikes me as someone who

The wall is as high as an elephant's eye Oh, what a judiful day This strikes me as someone who Has to work Jewish fear into everything Like, you know, why brisket is You know, the truest symbol of Jewish diaspora Yeah

The classic joke of a headline, you know, the elephant And the Jewish question, you know? Yes, yes. How does this pertain to us? right right okay see us yes the parallels between the thunder and the nation of israel are difficult to ignore no they're pretty easy to ignore i was doing a great job of it for a long time neither was supposed to become what it is all right the oklahoma is uh oklahoma city remains one of the smallest NBA markets we lack the glamour of los angeles the nightlife and beaches of miami florida or

the finance and media power of new york city yet we built something remarkable anyway. Rather than buying... We made the Ozarks Bloom. That's right. Rather than buying relevance, we created it. Rather than following others, we reimagined our own path to success

by relying on the resources and skills we had with discipline and our own brand of resilience. I would love to know who they think the irregoon of the Oklahoma City Thunder are. You know, like who was the, you know, the pre-Oakoma City Thunder terrorist organization that helped bring them to Oklahoma City.

The Haga Nal, y'all. Yeah. Israel's story shares many of those attributes. Yeah. A young microscopic nation limited in natural resources, surrounded by hostility. Surrounded by enemies, all they want to do is paleop on us. Perpetually under scrutiny and constantly forced to justify its actions and existence. Israel nonetheless transformed itself into a global powerhouse of innovation, technology, defense, defense, medicine, and agriculture.

The Israel defense forces. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Like the thunder and even a home. Maybe by that transitive principle, they should just stop playing defense and just start playing occupation. That's right. That's right. that's what they should do. You know, there's, it's defense wins championships and the, you know, Israeli defense force

wins other people's land. I don't know. The best defense is a good checkpoint. Yes, occupation. Like the thunder and even Oklahoma City, it has risen out of the ashes of a traumatic past despite all odds. What was the traumatic? Grunge wasn't that bad.

being in Seattle, just because they were the supersonic? I don't know what you're talking about. I guess maybe it was traumatic, the L.A. versus Seattle rivalry that was going on, at least in our particular division. But I don't really think that that's... Actually, there was a very traumatic incident in the Seattle Supersonics history, actually, Matt. I just remembered it.

It was when they left Seattle and moved to Oklahoma City. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Traumatic for her. whom, probably the most traumatic for Kevin Durant, who was just like, damn it, I was in Seattle and now I'm in Oklahoma City. And yet, reaching a mountain top has a strange way of generating dislike. Oh, my God. When Dynasties Emergent Sports fan bases often cry foul questioning the legitimacy of success. Not unlike the way people question the Jews for like just every line. The more competent and victorious the organization becomes, the

more emotionally invested outsiders hope for its failure. When we play ball, they say we play cabal. So when you talk about emotionally invested outsiders hoping for its failure, you know who those outsiders are? It's anyone who is a fan of any other fucking basketball team. That's how team sports works. Everyone's rooting against us. Yeah, that's everyone except for people in Oklahoma City.

That's the whole thing. We are witnessing that now with the Thunder. Hold on. A dynasty? How many championships did they want? They won one. Last year? Yeah.

So we'll see if they win this year. Then it's not a dynasty if they don't win. And isn't New York up on them right now? No, yeah. It's the West. Right now it's tied. As of this recording, it's 2-2. Spurs versus the Thunder.

Honestly, I'm a Wembehead. I like the Spurs, despite my natural version to them being a Los Angeles Lakers fan, born and raised. I've always enjoyed watching the Spurs. I remember David Robinson. David Robinson, that's the name I remember from the San Antonio Spurs. It was David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Not the most fun to watch, but the good fundamentals. That's the thing about them.

Not unlike the Palestinians who are scrappy. Anyways, we are witnessing that now with the Thunder of the Young composed and incredibly well managed. Oh, yeah, Israel famously well managed. Instead of praising the blueprint, many fans react with disdain. Fans of other teams espousing conspiracy theories amplified by social media. I'm not enough of a ballhead to know exactly what conspiracy theories are involved in the Oklahoma City Thunder. But I'm sure that they're wonderful. You know, quite honestly, he's drawing this comparison to the Oklahoma Thunder.

From my money, the most Zionist-coded sports team in America, accepting like, I don't know, the Dodgers or other teams that are actually owned by Zionists and Zionist interest. But in terms of just the fan base and the energy of the place is the Toronto Maple Leafs in the NHL. Everything is about them. Right now, the Vegas Golden Knights are playing the Colorado Avalanche, and Mitch Marner, who was the Leafs superstar for fucking ever and was supposed to lead them with Austin Matthews to a cup,

and they just ate shit every single fucking year. And the Montreal Canadians in the east are succeeding. And Leafs fans are doing extended threads and podcasts about what this means for the Leafs. Yeah, yeah. You mean like kind of making, I don't know, implied accusations. Which is interesting. Yeah, that's exactly right.

That's every sportscaster talking about the Maple Leafs. Plus they're also the blue and white. That's right. That's a very good point. Anyways, this is more bullshit. The reaction says less about Israel or the thunder than it does about our human nature. It's almost as if this is a totally stupid parallel to have gone in the first place. Exactly. We're comfortable with underdogs.

What unsettles us is when underdogs stop behaving like victims and consistently triumph. I'm sorry. What the fuck are we talking about? So the defending champions are the underdogs? Once you consistently triumph, you're no longer the underdog. Right, exactly. And that's why people then root for the underdogs. The world loves-

And also Israel consistently behaves like victims and triumphs at the same time. Yeah, you should, yeah, maybe take this up with Israel. The world loves stories of perseverance until it produces and, uncompromising might. Oh, I love this. A little bit of this is implying that the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to start doing preemptive strikes on their neighbors. Well, they're going to have that iron domed stadium. That's right, exactly.

They're going to get Iron Dome at their stadium. Oh, my God. Oh, God, it's so funny. The Thunder. The United is leading in the third quarter. I mean, this is very, you know, the world loves Germany until we stand up for. ourselves. That's right, exactly. Until we assert our dignity. The thunder are not hated because they somehow game the system. They are hated because they mastered it. Israel is not obsessively

scrutinized because it failed, but due to its success, despite deeply rooted envy and darker historical motives. They're just jealous of us. Yeah, they hate us because they ain't us. and then this is the last paragraphs. Both represent communities that learn how to persevere through adversity by becoming sharper, more resourceful and unified. Both inspire fierce loyalty among those who identify with them. Unlike, say, the New York Knicks or the San Antonio Spurs. Right.

Or any sports team. Or any sports team. What are we doing? You're just inserting us. All right. And both remind us that prosperity, especially when I expect. rarely comes without a side of envy. The takeaway, please give me the takeaway.

Success does not solely reveal excellence. It often reveals buzzards, circling overhead, waiting for the demise of whom they underestimated. F minus for that last paragraph. Eton Rechef lives in Chicago. Yeah. Aetan Rechef. Yes.

Yeah. I knew some Resheff's girls. growing up, very Israeli name. Oh, you know, you need a really good chef to make a good eating fish burger, you know what I mean? Or a good Noam Hamburger, as the case may be. Yes, RIP to Mr. Hamburger. I just met Burger. Jonah Platt on the very day that that Porky American soldier died in Lebanon, Noam Hamburger,

posted something apropos of nothing, just being like, taking Israel out of Judaism is you can it's like taking the beef out of a hamburger and thinking that the two slices of bread make a make a real burger and I said to him dude not not the day to rely on metaphorical hamburger please don't bring up hamburger right now hamburger hamburger hamburger just got murked that's right of the latani river um yeah yeah well that is that's ball hasbar uh I mean truly I am I was rooting for the Spurs anyways because Wembe but also now I'm rooting for them because Free Free Palestine. That's why I love that like dude if you're going to do this you are now making me a militant

spurs supporter and I that's on you that's on you all right I wasn't I wasn't going to bring this into it but now as soon as Oklahoma City lost game one I said I can't believe that the Spurs just October 7th, Oklahoma City. It was a lot of fun. And now everyone's doing it. Everyone's making these jokes. And they deleted the post. If I was a player on the Spurs,

I would try to urge everybody to get exactly 10 assists and seven blocks in that game and 23 points. Oh, the newest triple double. Well, I guess it would be double, double because of the seven. But anyways, that is, that's our episode, guys. I think that is a nice, solid episode for y'all. Truly love talking about this, Hasbara, with you, Adam, with you, Daniel. And with all of you out there.

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