Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 218: Senator Colonialism, with Dr. Sabreena Ghaffar-Siddiqui

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by professor and public intellectual, Dr. Sabreena Ghaffar-Siddiqui to discuss Dana Bash making the baby pooping face at Brad Lander, zionists being normal about US Congressman Ro Khanna’s detention by Israeli settlers and the IDF, and Senator Lindsey Graham’s retirement from breathing.Visit https://halapalestine.com/ and use code BADHASBARA for 10% off. It helps the show! Products made in Palestine and delivered to your door.Please donate to Middle East Children’s Alliance: https://www.mecaforpeace.org/Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraDr. Sabreena: https://drsabreena.com/Dr. Sabreena on IG: https://www.instagram.com/drsabreena_gs/?hl=enDr. Sabreena on X: https://x.com/sabreenagsBad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURWhat’s The Spin Album List: https://bit.ly/whatsthespinlistSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSubstack https://substack.com/@badhasbaraSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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I didn't know you used Argon oil. I do use Argon oil. I use boron oil. Oron. Because, you know, argon's also an element on the periodic table. Yeah. Anyways, I didn't know there was argon oil.

Not argon, argon from Morocco. Oh, well, that's different. Some kind of plant, yeah. Okay. All right, that makes more sense than some sort of early element oil. Lead oil. I use lead oil. Yeah, that's right.

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could be spelled a different way. That's very true. It's very true. All right. So more road records today. The very best of Hank Williams. Oh, yeah. Included.

Hey, good looking. That's on here. What? You got cooking. Yeah, it's on here. You're cheating hard. Jumbalaya. How's about cooking some lady G?

RIP Lady G. Sorry, that's Lindsay Graham. Oh, Lindsay Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Known as Lady G to a bunch of sex workers whose NDAs just expired. Yeah, well, but you know, RIP, of course, whatever you want to make P stand for

in this case. But I would say just whatever you do, don't grieve him because he's actually he's doing all right. fact, here's how he's feeling. I'm super. I'll think he's better. I'm a thing. Fantastic.

He's doing great. Everything is super when you, don't you think I look cute in this hat? That's right. Big Gay L. Is happy in hell. Oh, yes. Speaking about swingers, Frank Sinatra and.

And Count Basie with arrangements by Quincy Jones. It might as well be swing. Holy shit. This is going to be some hot stuff once again back to the turntable. Yeah, let me know how that sounds. I will. You know, Canada is known for its Cour de Bois, and it's, you know, it's fur trappers and it's beaver.

So here's not a Canadian, but his name is Little Beaver. Party Down. Hell yeah. A Little Beaver, huh? A Little Beaver never heard of anyone. his real name is Willie Hale. It's wild how, you know, in pop music, appending Little as a nickname has been around forever. It works kind of, you could do Little Hitler.

It just always works. You almost wouldn't notice. Yeah, exactly. You got Little Richard, you know, all the way to, you know, Lill Yadi. You know. Little Yachty, yeah. Just there's always littles. There's always these littles out there.

All these littles. Then there's Tiny Tim. that didn't work as much. He was tiny, not a little. Didn't, I don't know what that was. People listen to that earnestly, or is that a novelty act? That's absolutely a novelty act. Okay, all right, it's a bit.

It's a bit. People have heard of Tiny Tim, but one artist who doesn't get nearly enough credit is infinitesimal Eric. Infiltesimal Bob. Maybe it's because he couldn't come up with a good alliteration. Yeah, microscopic Matt. I'm very little. I don't understand it, but people like it.

Well, well, nigh, unglimpsable, William. Well, nigh, unglimpsable. Yeah, yeah, right. We'll speed it up. This is handsome boy modeling school with the album, So How's Your Girl? This is Prince Paul and Dan the Animator, with a lot of different guests on here.

Elliot Smith, who I'm sure you must be into. This is either or. You'd think. you'd think but you're not i i mean i just never i just never started yeah you know i heard a couple of the songs i was like yeah those sound good but i just never melancholic movie soundtrack music i don't know why i was never in the mood for getting into him i think it's because i already had a bunch of like sufion stevens to listen to i was just gonna say i was like i i just feel like i don't need another like dead guy i don't need a dead guy in my life to like you know anymore like i want to like at least

Sufion's alive. And Sufion has just a real gift with melody and lyrics and all. We'll see. We'll see how I feel about the Elliott Smith, but I thought it was worth noting. And then when I was at Record Collector's Paradise in Edmonton, they assured me this is the greatest Brazilian album of all time.

Arthur Verrochai from the 1970s. This whole movement of tropicalia and tropicalia and related genres in Brazil is always so great. I never regret getting a Brazilian album from that era. Tropicalia, a great song by Beck.

It's a self-titled album by Arthur Verica. Yes, off mutations. That's right. I love that album. People sleep on that one. They do. It's a very good album. Are you a Beckhead?

Up to a point. Up to a point. You got me into Sea Change. I like C-Change. I was more of a fan of everything from One Foot in the Grave all the way to Midnight Vultures. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Take it toene Gravy.

She looks so Israeli. That's right. Yeah, you know. Those are just, they just rhyme, folks. They just rhyme. He might be a Scientologist too, but I don't think he is. I think he just was born into it. Hopefully, he's not a Zionologist.

Anyway, that's the spin. That's what's spinning in the Mate vehicle. And now it's time to introduce our very special guests. We are so excited to have her aboard. She is a public intellectual, a scholar, but the kind of scholar that ordinary people like us can understand. We're not going to be sitting here quizzically looking at her nodding, pretending to understand the jargon.

No, this woman speaks the language of the layperson. And she's the author of DeI Undone, which the very title of it fascinates me, and I want to ask her about it. Please welcome to the podcast, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, Dr. Sabrina Raffa Siddiqui. How'd I do with the name? Hi, everyone. Almost.

Say it for us. Almost put it. Sabrina Rafar Siddiqui. Raffar Siddiqui, okay. Yeah, yeah. You did really well, though. I'm proud of you. I would have done better.

Appreciate it. I think everyone knows. Do it then, Matt. Just do it. No, I can't. It's too late. It's too late. You already said it.

Prove it. I don't. I don't want to undermine me. I don't want to undermine me. I don't want to undermine. Exactly. Exactly. I told Daniel he could do it, you know.

So it's just I don't want to show off. You know what I'm saying? It's hard to live up to your standard, Matt. Welcome, Sabrina. How are you doing? You're in Toronto, yeah? Toronto, it's hot, so I've got the fan blowing. I doubt it's as hot as it is here in Winnipeg. It was 100 degrees here yesterday, Fahrenheit. Oh, wow. Like close to 40.

Wow. It's hot in L.A., too, but I'm in my air-conditioned studio, so I'm feeling pretty good right now. Sorry, that sounded like a brag. I'm sorry for bragging. I'll go. I'll go. I'm in an air-condition. hotel boardroom, which they're kind enough to let me use. And do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself and about your book, DEI undone?

I was when I saw on your, because, you know, I've been following you on Twitter, and then you did this event with my brother Aaron in Toronto a few weeks ago. And I looked at your Twitter bio and it said that you were a DEI consultant. And I was like, hmm, I wonder what we're going to talk about with a DEI consultant, given that, you know, sometimes I tend to get a little, you know, skeptical, about Gen X and skeptical about the DEI industry from a leftist perspective. And then I find out that you've written a book

that what are you doing with this book with regard to the DEI industry? And how does it relate to the rest of your work? It's basically a dismantling of DEI. So yeah, people initially, you know, they think that I'm a pro-DEI person, which I guess I was, right? I was for 15 years working in the DEI world.

I guess I should reverse and introduce myself properly. So, you know, most people know me Dr. Sabrina. I've been doing social media, like public advocacy, public intellectual, public scholarly work for 15 years or so. So I actually didn't even realize that there was a term, official, academic term for this, but, you know, there is such a thing as public sociologists that have existed for a really long time. And I was doing that work before I even knew it was something that people did. And the idea is that rather than focusing all my energy on articles, journal articles, and research within the institution, I would take my understanding and my learning and teaching

and put it out in the world through social media. So I've been doing this advocacy and analysis work online for quite a long time. I have been speaking about Palestine for, for 10, 12 years. And I was hired as, I was a professor of sociology and criminology for five years at Sheridan College, which is one of the most well-known colleges in Canada. They have a very good musical theater program

from what I remember. That's where, that's where Come From Away started, the Broadway show had actually started as an incubated as a workshop there. Yeah, exactly. They're very well known for their animation and, you know,

kind of creative, work as well. So I was then hired and placed in this role as senior DEI advisor, which wasn't just to the college, but it was a national role. So I advised higher education institutions in all of Canada on DEI. And when they hired me, it was because of my public advocacy and my public profile. I had been on all the mainstream news channels, every time a conversation about race or identity or, you know, anything related to marginalized people inequality would come up. I would be interviewed on, like, CBC 24. So they were really, you know, interested in bringing me on and celebrating me.

And I was in that role for a little while. And then October 7th happened. And I continued doing everything I had already been doing that they were so proud of. But now all of a sudden I became a nuisance because of the... And they were like, oh, oh, inclusion ends here. Not that type. Yeah. You've done too much.

That's diverse enough. Thank you. How much equity do you want? We didn't vet this. And even though there was like this support within, you know, the department and the college and it seemed on the surface like they weren't my enemies, right? These are allies. But because of the influx of the complaints, which were like, I mean, they had so many complaints coming in weekly because of my social. social media advocacy. Finally, a complaint landed directly in the president's office because, you know, I mean,

Zionists don't have power, but they do have the power to go directly to the president of Sheridan College. They don't identify us having power. So it's actually, it's actually offensive to ascribe power to them. But, I mean, Sabrina, or Dr. Sabrina, rather, you know, these complaints, you know, these If you're going to be a public intellectual, take yourself out of the sphere of rigorous, you know, academic scrutiny from within. Isn't this just what peer review looks like if you're a social media advocate? That's right. Aren't these your peers? Absolutely. I mean, the complaints were coming from people in the DEI field. There were complaints apparently coming in coming from within the institution. The call was coming from within the house. Like they were, they were just accusing me of anti-Semitism, but what the what the interesting thing was. every time there was an investigation, which there were many, like weekly investigations, when the kind of like equity team, you know, the investigative team within the college was

Googling me and trying to figure out how anti-Semitic I was, they would always land on the articles written about me as the co-founder of Sisterhood of Salam Shalom, which is a Muslim Jewish sisterhood established in Canada, the first of its kind to be established here in 2016, 2016. And I was the co-founder with a Jewish scholar. And they would read all about that. And they'd be like, oh, I guess she's not anti-Semitic. We got to figure out something, a way to make this not the Google result.

That's basically what ended up happening. Google is anti-Semitic for making that the first result. It keeps giving me this information. And they would always tell me too. They'd always be like, oh, you know, we actually found some of the really great work you've done, you know, to bring Jewish and Muslim communities together. And I was like, yeah, exactly. So, but I always said, you know, this was a form of psychological violence that I was put through continuously, like one investigation after another, you know, because I didn't know what the result was going to be. I didn't know if they were going to actually, you know, decide that I was anti-Semitic and then that charge was. would be laid against me and tarnish, you know, my name and my credibility forever. And by the time it happened, did it surprise you or were you jaded enough to expect this and know that it was completely in bad faith? Like some people get shook by this. What do you mean you're calling me an anti-Sumite? Like, did it phase you?

My own boss at one point, the last complaint that came in that landed in the president's office, my ally boss turned around and told me that my land acknowledgement, that I gave in which I acknowledged the current colonization in Palestine. And she said that it was anti-Semitic because I said, I talked about the unfortunate loss of Israeli lives due to their position as settlers, you know, illegal settlers on that land. And so I acknowledged the loss of life, but I rooted it in the fact. In the context of the situation that they were in, that is wild. Yeah, there was a time where context was the most anti-Semitic thing that you could apply to any situation.

And she turned around and she said, well, that was anti-Semitic. And I immediately, in that moment, it was a Zoom meeting. And I was like, how is that anti-Semitic? And I had sent this land acknowledgement to you for approval and you approved it before. So does that make you anti-Semitic for initially saying I should? And then, you know, at the time my lawyer friend had said... No, she just hadn't done her Jew diligence. My lawyer friend said, write her an email and ask her exactly how it was anti-Semitic.

And when I wrote her the email, she ignored the email because she knew that she had just accused me of something that was a lie. But anyway, in the end, I ended up resigning from that role because of all the psychological violence of the continuous investigations. Plus, it was an act of protest against the DEI industry. I felt like it was very important for me as this senior leader of a college who was advising nationally on DEI. I needed to make this a public statement. So I resigned and I wrote a very powerful resignation letter and then I posted it on LinkedIn and everywhere. And by then I already had quite a lot of followers, so they were really worried. I mean, immediately on LinkedIn, it had thousands and thousands of shares.

And then HR was like, please, can you take down your post? Well, I just learned something, which is that people actually still use LinkedIn. I've never been, I've never been institutionally affiliated enough to have any use for it. But it's still like, let me ask you this. We're not going to be able to spend too much time on this piece, but since you've written a book about it, I would love to know, you know, argue, someone could argue, okay, you could make a critique of the DEI industry that it has a huge. huge Palestine blind spot, but it's a different thing to go from that, to leap from that to, I want to dismantle and take down the entire industry. How did that incident and that blind spot

had you already been, and what is your critique of the industry as a whole beyond just this, this one incident, you know, revealing a place, a lacuna, to quote a word, an academic word from the last episode. So I always say that, you know, Palestine ended up being like the Achilles heel for DEI. October 7th became the Achilles heel. Like we already had criticisms of it because it was so corporatized. It was so deeply embedded in capitalism.

Like as soon as you start seeing, you know, DEI becoming like the slogan, you know, like very capitalistic kind of slogan. And it's all about optics and not really about, you know, improving the lived experiences of the people you claim to care about, then, you know, it becomes hollow. Once you see McMillan Blodell, a Canadian logging company putting out DEI commercials and Bank of Montreal. I'd like to know that there's equity at Lockheed Martin. You know what I mean? Like when Raytheon is telling you about diversity, you're just like, uh-oh, I have a feeling that these words are empty. It's basically industrial like, you know, identity politics, right? Like,

it just became about identity representation. The inclusion was there. The equity absolutely wasn't there. So with Palestine, what happened was all the contradictions started to come to the surface where we had made all these statements about Ukraine, right? All these like DEI departments were raising money, fundraising for Ukraine. And I remember even at the time thinking to myself, I wonder how the Russian students feel, right? Because we're really taking aside here and we're demonizing. a community. Now, aside from the politics of it all, but if we're really going to look at this from a DEI perspective, you are isolating a group by putting another group, you know, in this spotlight of like moral, you know, like moral superiority, right? So when that happened, and nobody really

minded because everybody was like, yeah, Ukraine. And then, you know, Palestine and the, you know, all the atrocity propaganda was coming out, the faux crisis of beheaded babies, all that was happening, and then statements were initially made about Israel and then nothing was said about Palestine. All of a sudden it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This does not seem like DEI and the contradictions were very, very clear. And so I say that Palestine became the litmus test because all the truth is the book kind of Chronicles, it's called the rise, fall, and rebirth of DEI. And in the rise, we talk about all the very radical revolutionary movements historically that actually are the foundation of

DEI. We were already doing all this shit, right? We didn't need an acronym. We didn't need this acronym in order for us to do the work. It was already being done. Anti-racism work was already being done. Anti-oppression work was already being done. DEI just became this popular acronym and it became co-opted. And then the very important part of this book that I really want to mention, the most controversial part of this book, is that I talk about how DEI was weaponized by Zionists and used to suppress other marginalized groups. And all of a sudden, Jewish supremacy showed itself where one group not only was able to exert more power, but their victimhood was considered the greatest victimhood.

They were the greatest victim, so no one else could, you know, have that status. Well, Zionism is the original identity politics in some ways, but it was always due for, I mean, the, the popularization of what I mean, we could call the wokeification of culture, but without stepping on that landmine, the popularization of movements and the corporatization of movements

and the ideas like safe spaces and people's feelings and all this kind of stuff, becoming so supreme in terms of what people will allow or not allow on campuses, of course, is ripe for a Zionist to pounce on it. And they did, they did after October 7th, all the precedents, that were supposed to be used to uplift the marginalized

or all of a sudden you just flip the language and now it's Jewish feelings. And you don't have to verify anything about their material conditions. All you have to hear is that they're afraid or uncomfortable. And then there was this like alignment with whiteness and white supremacy, right? And like someone like Shy Davidae,

who you and I have spoken about, like he basically was starting to talk about how, you know, as a Jewish person, I think he wrote a tweet or something about, up. Let's pull that up. So we've got some of your exchanges with him. So you had you had tweeted every house that every quote Israeli had literally grown up and is literally a stolen house and stolen Palestinian land. And literally no Israeli belongs there, nor does the land belong to them. Oh yeah. That's a spicy take. And by the way, by the way, this is a quote tweet of his in which

that's important to know. I wasn't just being aggressive for no reason. I was quote tweeting him and he had said that I'm literally from, you know, I grew up there or whatever. So I just kind of quote tweeted him and mocked him a bit. Yeah. And then he responded, my parents worked their asses off to buy land and build a house for themselves. Anti-Semitism blinds people to the truth. Blinds people to the truth that my parents are wonderful.

Like, how are we supposed to know who your parents are, first of all? Yeah. And second of all, the, uh, just the idea that like my parents worked. really, really hard to colonize that land. All right? They had to work for one whole day to afford the heavily discounted price. The Israeli government was offering for that stolen piece of property. To which you said, cry baby shy says, my parents worked their ass off, et cetera, et cetera.

Adela, sorry, composed a database of discriminatory laws in Israel that favor Jews and disfavored non-Jews, for example, the law of return and absentees property law. are but two examples of flagrant racism and discrimination in the Israeli legal system. And you went off, it's a much longer tweet, but you brought a lot of receipts. You know, but just, again, his, you know, I consider. The point is, like, he was talking about how, like, my parents worked so hard. And my tweet here is trying to prove that, no, actually, they were privileged by a legal system that gives them rights over non-Jews. So they actually didn't work that hard.

It was handed to them. That's right. It's, you know, plunder, theft, expropriation, and then you hand off the bloody spoils of all of that to your children. And then you get to say, okay, no more theft, no more plunder. Now the transfer of property, now the redistribution ends. Now that, you know, now we put up the wall. Having moral starts now.

Now. Now. Exactly. Property rights start now. Exactly. But also also Zionists use, right? And this is a very colonizer tactic where they use progress, titles, awards, wealth, elite status to prove that they are more civilized and worthy.

Right. And but they don't talk about how that wealth was acquired. Who gave them the awards? where the titles came from, at what expense, at whose expense that was earned, it's like, you know, to be civilized is to have all these things. But in order to have all these things, what we did is we took it from the uncivilized. Yeah, and that's also a very colonizer. I mean, Americans have done it for centuries.

The Brits did it before them. You know, our accumulate, you know, the British Museum, which is basically the world's biggest collection of stolen goods is proof of how far above we are of all these cultures from which we plundered all these items then you got into it with shy over his uh his complicated and ever flexible and ever changing relationship to whiteness don't call me white don't call uh yes don't call shy white but in 2022 you were white shy that's what you tweeted at him because he had uh said I'm Jewish, not white. I would expect more

from a social justice warrior like yourself. And of course, there was a community note saying that Shai Davy, I self-identified as white multiple times, including on this website in 2022, when he said,

I am straight, I am white, I am a male, but let this be clear. No matter what any court says, women have a right to control their own bodies. He's like a superhero. When it comes time to defend women's bodily autonomy, he automatically becomes a white man.

But then when it becomes to defend the Jewish people. Yes. He miraculously transforms into non-white. He goes into a phone booth and turns white. And then he goes, I am white and straight and male. But I love women. And I believe in their right to choose.

And then he goes into a different phone booth and becomes a person of color. You know, if you're able to dip in and out of whiteness so easily, are you not just white then? That's what white is. That's what white is. It's so embarrassing. A black person cannot do that. A brown person cannot dip in and out. Yes.

It's the most embarrassing thing, you know, that has truly has spread beyond a point where I could possibly imagine before October 7th where I am seeing white people just saying that they are not white and talking about conditional whiteness. And I was like, conditional whiteness, I understand as like an academic, in an academic context. text. This is not an example of that. This is you choosing whether or not you think you're perceived as white, depending on the situation, which means you are white. It's reverse code switching. It's like real code switching is about having to code switch so that you can survive. And you move between your original marginalized identity and then toning that down for the sake of the powerful. In this case, no, this is just putting on a black sense so you can sound cool. in front of your new friends at school.

That's what this, like, this is very different. Which I do all the time, but it doesn't make me black. And it doesn't make it, it's not code switching. It's very different. And aside from him as an individual, I don't know if you know, but 98% of Canadians self-identify as white. Yeah. And the number in America is, I think, 94% or 96% in.

Sorry, 98% of Canadian. Of Canadian Jews. Jews, yeah, yeah. Self-identify as white. Yeah, yeah. And I'd be interested to see them redo the census on that because since October 7th. I swear to God, it is, it has changed immensely. I've, I have seen more and more white Jewish people kind of go like, well, am I really white? And I just, I, I'm embarrassed. I'm sure Jesse Brown is not going around thinking of himself or talking about himself as a white person. By the way, as of today, he's just tweeted again for the first time in about. Welcome back, Jesse.

Well, 13 days. He must have been on holiday or something. I wanted to take credit for it, but maybe it wasn't all. I like to believe. I think he was researching and preparing himself. Yeah. You know? I just imagine like Eye of the Tiger in his headphones.

He was training. Oh, man. He took 13 days. Eve Barlow and Ben Shapiro and Lizzie Sivetsky. What am I missing? Teach me how you do what you do. What I'm doing is not working. Look for a free parking sign.

Brace yourself, Daniel, because he's coming. He's coming after you, dude. He's going to get you. Yeah, yeah, this is brilliant from you. You said, basically, I was a white European Ashkenazi Jew, but after October 7, 2023, I decided not to be white anymore. It's not that hard. Don't you get it?

Zionists, I mean Jews, can opt in and out of whiteness. We should say Ashkenazi Jews, that is, because Mizrahi Jews, Sephardic Jews, aren't going to have as easy a time doing that, although inside of Israel, their whiteness is sort of constructed for them in a different way than out here. God promised this to us. Why are you being anti-Semitic? Yeah. Perfect. I mean, this sounds like a fascinating book, especially given your experience being on the inside of, you know, DEI, not just spaces, but the industry itself.

And I am interested in where it goes. I'll also read the book because, you know, obviously you don't want to give away the whole ending. But the rebirth part of the DEI, you know, subtitle for the book, can you, can you talk a little bit about that? Is there a version of this almost corporatized, you know, standardized, standardized. DEI initiative that can be salvaged or is just the mere fact that it's capitalist make it unsalvageable? Yeah, for me, it's unsalvageable. I, for me, you know, actually the name of this book initially was supposed to be decolonized DEI.

And then my co-author, you know, thought that DEI and Dunn might be a little bit more appealing to people, you know, who don't know what colonization or decolonization or deconized. colonization means. So, you know, my take on it is that we really need to go back to decolonizing our minds, our systems, our institutions, the work that we're doing. And I think Palestine and post-October 7th, this has been like an awakening for a lot of people where they're realizing, like, this is interesting. Like, the people who didn't really know much about Canada's colonial settler history even, or even America's colonization, right? And the history of the natives in America, it's almost like they're relearning all of that or going back and trying to find out

what happened here. How is it connected to what we are now witnessing with our own eyes? So this whole decolonization process, I think, of our minds and then our actions and our interactions with each other. And for me, it's always about being in community with people. You know, I always say that, you know, some of the greatest and most impactful work that I've done in terms of, like, advocacy or change making, has been in community with people who are not from my in group. You know, I work very closely with a Jewish rabbi here in Toronto, an anti-Zionist Jewish rabbi. You probably know him, Daniel. David? David? David. David. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've had him on the show, David. Meveser. I grew up. He was the right. rabbi at my parents' synagogue for quite a while. All anti-Zionist Jews know each other. I mean, he's like a proper badass. Especially anti-Zionist Canadian Jews. Yeah, I mean, there's like 10. He is a badass.

No, he is. He is a badass. Like, you know, him and I have worked on like some of these smaller things. Like in the Peel District School Board, there was a situation. And him and I worked together to combat that. You know, it was a Zionist teacher who was, you know, who was basically like harming some of the Muslim Arab kids there and him and I worked together to bring attention

to that because she weaponized her Jewishness. She weaponized anti-Semitism and interestingly again, behaved in very white woman way. What mean things were those six-year-olds saying to her about Palestine existing? They wore a kaffa.

They were kaffa. And this particular child apparently shrugged his shoulders with his kaffa when he walked past her classroom and he did did it on purpose to threaten her. A threatening shrug? Yeah, he shifted his kaffaa up as he was going past her classroom because she's Jewish.

And he needed to threaten her that way. Real gangster. Shrug Knight. I cannot believe he got in trouble for a shrug. Yeah. The most non-committal human gesture. Yeah. I don't know. What are you going to do? Wow.

And she also, like, being a white woman, very visibly a white woman, also weaponized her whiteness. And that white woman tease, I'm so scared, clutching of her poles. And use that to demonize and villainize this child, who was then surveilled and followed through the school by the senior administration. I have a message for white men. Okay. It's very problematic. White men need to get more in touch with their emotions because you're letting the burden of this humiliating trope fall entirely on white women. We need white men to be crying too and acting like babies. That is true.

That is true. It's just straight up misogyny. Like share the load. Yes. Okay. You're just as much of a whiny baby as your wives, sisters, and female friends. If you really want to be a male feminist ally while simultaneously maintaining white, surprise. Cry more. You need to cry more. It's so true. That's so true. And so David was, he was amazing in terms of like coming in and, you know, trying to like as a Jewish, you know, rabbi explaining that, you know, this is not anti-Semitism. But the real badass kind of win that we had recently, and I don't know if you know this, Daniel, but Aaron Abbey, so my event, which was a few weeks ago, it was being held in one of the most oldest and most

iconic libraries and public buildings in Toronto, the Toronto Reference Library. And my co-panelists were Abby Martin, your brother Aaron, and Dr. Miriam Francois from the UK and myself. Oh, my God. What a powerhouse of a panel. The most radical anti-Semite. And there was a massive campaign started online to try and get Toronto Reference Library to cancel the event because we were.

all like the worst of the anti-Semites. And and this is where like Rabbi David Mavasa, you know, like he started a counter campaign. And he went, he went on Twitter and he was like, all right, guys, we need to call the library and write to them and tell them not to cancel the event. But the funny thing is that the library had to send out a message publicly that we're getting too many calls about the event being put on. We just. just want you to know we're definitely not canceling the event. So please stop calling. Please stop emailing us. Because the counter campaign ended up overwhelming. Of course it did. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'm determined actually now that I've seen the NACPA exhibit here at the Winnipeg

National Museum for Human Rights, I initially called it the Canadian Museum of Human Rights. A friend corrected me because that makes it sound like it's just like this graveyard. Here's where we're We display the bones and fossils of human rights. The Canadian Museum for Human Rights, I have a couple of friends who were deeply involved with the Japanese Canadian Dispossession exhibit, broken promises. There is also this Nakpa exhibit,

which I drove eight hours yesterday from Flynn-Flawn, Manitoba, to get to the museum in order to see because the museum is not open today, and I'm only in town for two nights. So I wanted to make sure I got there. I needn't have rushed, because I got there two hours in advance. The exhibit takes 10 minutes at most.

It's 12 meters long. in a massive, massive building. And yet, it's very powerful. I'm not, I'm not, you know, it is what it is. But the controversy that it's stoked, there were no protesters outside yesterday, but we've all seen videos of our friend Samira confronting the protesters.

She does such a great job. Anyway, I'm going to be writing to the museum. I'm going to be writing to the minister, the culture minister who's decided to weigh in on this. And people should be doing that too, because I don't know what kind of pressure the museum is under. That should be a permanent exhibit. It should be a much bigger exhibit.

There's a permanent exhibit for the Holocaust that's quite majestic. It's not enormous. I've seen much bigger ones, but it's pretty big in the context of this museum. I think, in fact, the museum was built around it because it was built with the money of Israel, Asper, an ultra-Zionist right-wing Canadian. And then the Jean-Cretian government told him, well, no, you've got to make it about more than just this one violation of human rights. in any case they've shoehorned in this little tiny exhibit and the pressure that comes under the that these institutions come under for even including the slightest bit of Palestine and of course they do because one tiny grain of the truth is more powerful than all the fucking bullshit has barra lies and once people see this exhibit if they didn't know anything about it beforehand it's going to be hard for them to believe anything no matter how many millions of dollars hundreds of millions of dollars the has bar industry pours into it.

So, yeah, it was, I'm really glad I got to see it. And I encourage everyone else to come to Winnipeg and see it. And when you do, check out Yaffa Cafe. Rana will take good care of you. She gave me a very nice brunch this morning, lovely Palestinian cafe here in Winnipeg. And I don't know if you remember, but the main kind of criticism of this exhibit

is that there's no mention of Hamas apparently. And it's a Nakhba exhibit. In the Nakhba exhibit. In the Knockba exhibit? In the Knockba exhibit. I mean, there's one panel where they talk about what's gone on for the past couple of years. So it's not just a 1948 exhibit. Everything is crammed into such a small space.

But yes, there is no mention of Hamas. You know what else? There's no mention of Jews, Jewishness, Jewish, or Judaism. Those words do not appear. It is the most mild, modest. You could even say meek. Not meek. It's bold, but it's very small.

Very, very modest. Assertion, oh, we as a people exist and something happened to us and people deserve to know about it. But, you know, I mean, obviously, like, Hamas didn't even exist, right, when the Nakhba took place and this constant, and I talk about this about how, like, the war on terror and this whole narrative of Muslims and Arabs being terrorists and, you know, this is so essential to Israel's identity. because otherwise it can't justify what it's doing. So it leans very heavily on this. The war on terror is the most convenient. And I'm being generous by saying convenient and not it's their creation. It's convenient for them. And that's why, you know, I know we're going to be talking about Lander anyway.

So maybe this whole like, you know, segue into that. Let's save the segue about liberal Zionism for, Lander, but before we get to Lander, something preempted the Brad Lander Dana-Bash interview. And, you know, we mentioned Big Gay L earlier on, but Lindsay Graham died. And we wouldn't cover the death of any of just some random neocon American settler, settler, senator, both, pro-seller senator. We wouldn't go deep into it, except you can't separate Lindsay Graham from the Hesvarez. sphere. That's right. You can't separate the art from the artist. That's exactly right.

Talking about context, this was his context. That and Ukraine. And by the way, I can see why you and my brother get along so well, because you're both, you're both apostates on, on that aspect. You're both Putinists. You're both Putinists. You're both Putinists. You're both Putinists. That's right. People don't even need to sign off in the comments about it because you're just admitting it. Thank you very much. But so Lindsay Graham died. and we have just a whole mess of an embarrassment of riches when it comes to the responses to this. So let me just get my running order. So first of all, we've seen that he's super. Thanks for asking. So don't worry about him.

Wherever he is now, he's doing super. The first person to weigh in on it, the first person we're going to look at is, oh, it's Mike Huckabee. Great. Still processing the death of Lindsay Graham and reflecting on it. his life of service, his great sense of humor, and his love of Israel and the Jewish people.

Hold on what? I thought he was an American senator. Senator. Settler? You really what? Just reflect on. He's a senator colonialist. That's right. Just reflecting on, you know, everything I know about him, which was that he loved Israel and the Jewish people. And he just love to kill, you know, just kill, kill, kill. He was here in Israel often. He understood the importance of the U.S. Israel partnership. He will be sorely missed. Oh, man. I love, there is like, there's a fate to me that's worse than death, and that's being lauded by a bunch of the most bloodthirsty people on the face of the earth where they're all just like, oh, man, not that guy. I loved that guy, says the literal devil.

Speaking of which. Yes. Sarah and I grieve with the American people over the loss of our dear friend, Senator Lindsay Graham. We don't actually need to read this entire thing because we've got Netanyahu's video interview, but I will read in our recent meeting, I said, Lindsay is a great friend of Israel and a cherished friend of mine. We have no better friend than Lindsay. What a friend we have.

I don't really know the hymn, but he's the true, he's the true friend. That's right. So here's Netanyahu telling a very telling story about Lindsay Graham in the next, in the video. But let me tell you, the last conversation I had with him, I said, Lindsay, we've come of age. We have a robust economy. We can take care of our own financing, our own. weapons for the defense of Israel, defense of our common interest with America.

So I'm going to phase out the support, the military support for Israel over a period of years and bring it down to zero. We can do it. And he went ballistic. He says, pause. He can't do that.

He went what? He went nuclear. Maybe that's why he died. I think that's why he died. His warhead exploded. He blasted. He so badly wanted to send weapons to Israel that it killed him.

Yeah, exactly. Take my blood. Take it. How are you going to bake your Mata without my blood? That's never as anyone. Want to donate their organs to science. He wanted to donate his blood to the Mata factory. He's just taking every anti-Semitic trope.

And he's like, no, that's good. I want you to have my blood. Who's going to control my bank if you guys don't take my money? Oh, my God. You can't do that because he was so concerned with our security, which he believed was your security, that he actually fought the Prime Minister of Israel on keeping America's aid or actually increasing it. And that tells you what kind of a person, this extraordinary. It really does.

Yes, a masochist, dude. That's what that's called. That's so insane. Well, but you know who that reminds me of, of course, speaking of an American senator whose lifeblood is about Israel, arguing with a bloodthirsty Israeli Likudnik that they should be more bloodthirsty,

Joseph Robinette Biden, telling Manacham Began that they should be bombing women and children in Lebanon. And Began having to say, whoa, whoa, hold on, sir. We have standards. We're a moral country. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

This happened in 1983, I think. Damn, that means that Lindsay Graham could have been president. He could have been. Damn, that's bad. And he was young enough for it. Yeah. He was just coming into his prime. That's right.

He was just a boy. His life had only just started. He was only a boy. Yeah. He was only 78 years old. 71. Was he 71? He was 71.

Oh, yeah. That's depressing me. He's only 20 years older than me. Yeah. This is getting into very disturbing territory. You look better than him. Did you see? But for how long?

Both he and Netanyahu look like they're like, oh no, my human skin mask isn't working as well as it used to. That's right. He also was eulogized by like someone who's worse than Netanyahu, which is crazy. Inamar, Ben-Givir. Today, Israel has lost one of his greatest friends. Senator Lindsay Graham stood with Israel, not because it was easy, but because he believed it was right. His unwaiving support, blah, blah, blah, blah, may his memory be a blessing.

Then there's just some, oh, well, here's Kamala Harris. So a different kind of monster, different kind of ghoul. That's right. And this really shows you, my brother put out a really great tweet that one of the, that to Aaron, the most disturbing part of Lindsay Graham's legacy is how he rhymes with the Democrats. The Democrats rhyme with him. on foreign policy, everything from Russia, Ukraine to Syria, to Gaza. He loves all wars, guys. That was the thing.

He was like bipartisan when it came to being a war hawk. He was a DEI warhawk. Yeah, it is impressive almost to be just like, if there's a war, I am four. Like that's, did he run on that? Like all liberals are like that, right? And I think it's this Diopoli, like the illusion of the Diopoli that I think has been smashed in the last few years. years where people are realizing that, hang

in a second, the liberals and the conservatives are actually exactly the same, whether that's in Canada or America or the UK, and which is why our own Prime Minister here in Canada, the, you know, Carney, tweeted out something equally pathetic, actually

probably more pathetic than some of these other ones. He wrote, Senator Lindsay Graham dedicated his life to serving the people of South Carolina and the United States. Throughout his career, he stood resolutely in defense, of democracy and freedom. Yes, freedom for bodies to leave,

for souls to leave their bodies. Most recently and particularly, with Ukraine and its people. I love most recently. I can think of something, yeah, I can think of a more recent. I can think of a more recent one, Mark,

Ukraine and its people. I offer my condolences to Senator Graham's family, friends, and all those who served alongside him. All those who serviced him. Oh, yeah, exactly. to the sex workers of capital. Yes.

Oh. And the fact that he mentioned Ukraine is because Ukraine is the brand, right? It's the Canadian brand is the Ukraine war. It's a war. It is a war that it is okay to support. It is the Liberals war that it is okay to support. And that's why he's going to say that instead. He's not going to touch his position on, you know, obviously on Israel.

He's not going to touch his position on Iran. He's not going to talk about how this guy. has been cheerleading for a war against Iran for 20-something years. I mean, it is, yeah, this pure fucking cowardice. Just, ugh. Kamala Harris wrote, I am sadden to learn of the passing of my former colleague, Senator Lindsey Graham. He was full of wit. He spelled shit wrong.

Energy and charm. And he cared deeply. He was full of wit, energy, charm, sassafras. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Whimsy? Yes. And he cared deeply about the Senate and the people of South Carolina.

Doug and I are sending our thoughts and prayers to his friends and loved ones. Just... And then someone tweeted this. Dan Kervik said this. This is excellent. The death rituals of the imperial U.S. political class are remarkable. Quote unquote. My colleague and I might have disagreed from time to time about which people to exterminate.

But in the end, we are all Americans who agree and care deeply about the need to exterminate. Someone or other. Perfect. God. That is exactly right. Yeah. And then some just bad shit, just kind of a, we'll do a kind of speed round of just some of the most hilariously bad shit takes. Laura Lumer said, you want to read this one?

Five days ago, the IRGC publicly called for Senator Lindsey Graham to be assassinated. He was traveling abroad to a war zone last few days to try to end the war between Ukraine and Russia. He's been home for less. I never wanted to end that war. Are you kidding? Him and Amy Klobuchar were flown over there to tell Zelensky, don't you fucking dare to go shit. Keep going. Keep going.

Yeah. He's home for less than one day, and tonight his staff said he passed away from a, quote, brief and sudden illness. Was he poisoned by a foreign adversary, either abroad or upon returning to the U.S.? There should be an investigation to his death, especially after Iran called for his death. Less than one week ago, you might remember that from when I typed that very sentence above. What do his staff mean by brief and sudden illness? Poison?

Iran did not call for his death a week ago, as far as I know, but Iran did have a very based reaction. There was a news anchor who said something like, congratulations to the residents of hell, whom Lindsay Graham will be joining forthwith or something like that. Yeah, there was, my favorite tweet, or it was, I guess this was an update from actual Iran, like, news media. the Iranian State TV who said, the anti-Iranian U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham died after seeing he could not overthrow the Iranian nation.

He was gay and unmarried, leaving behind no offspring to pollute the world. This is maybe one of the most like, Yeesh. Got him. Jesus Christ. Don't fucking, I mean, Jesus. Like, the worst shit poster in the Western world has nothing. Nothing on Iran.

They're just so good at it. Whether it's Legos or just words. Well, falling. I'm just like, God damn, dude. Spitting fire. All right. So here's Sanae, Abrahemi, Le Dane. I have no idea who this is.

I've cried for the deaths of only three public figures in my entire life. My God. You will never guess, ladies and gentlemen, if you're just listening and not looking at the screen, you'll never guess who these three people are. Is it, you know, Nelson Mandela? That's right. Is it Prince? Is it Chris Cornell?

Who is it? One, or Jane Goodall? No. Matthew Perry. Matthew Perry, who played my favorite character on Friends. I cried for hours and couldn't bring myself to watch the show again, even though I already seen it 20 times. Well, first of all, if you've already seen it 20 times,

I should hope you can't watch it again. I can't bring myself to watch it once. Yeah, yeah. But okay, Matthew Perry, sure, you love the show. Yeah, fine. Number two, let's see. Who do we segue to from? from Matthew Perry.

Oh, Charlie Kirk. Someone I wasn't even a huge fan of and often disagreed with on a variety of issues, yet watching the video of him being shot hit me incredibly hard. Hit him harder. It hit him way harder, I got to say. Number three, Lindsay Graham,

one of the rare voices in politics, who cared about the Iranian people's fight for freedom and stood with us. Once again, we need to prescribe a massive dose of diaspora for the Iranian diaspora. Going a little nutty off. there. Next up, this is Rick Small Bean. Yeah, first of all, this guy's name is Rick Small, S-M-O-L, which is wild. His name is literally Schmole. And in the Hebrew lettering,

because he's got the Israeli flag and the U.S. flag and some other flag. Maybe it's I think he's got the Argentine flag. Oh, man. They do an Argentina dirty. I feel bad for Argentinians. Those two are going to be linked for other than a. But his Israeli name doesn't have the space. It's just Riksmol. It's one word. Yeah. Riksmaul.

There is no one to say cottage for Lindsay Graham. It's true because Alan Ginsberg isn't in hell. That's great. That was a deep pull. He had no wife. He had no children. Okay, easy now. He dedicated his entire life.

He dedicated his entire life mostly for us. are his children. Wow. Lindsay loved the Jews more than the Jews loved themselves. Oh, my God. You know what? That's true, dude.

That's true. No one loved the Jews more than Lindsay Graham. May the Lord protect and defend you. And may my Sabbath prayer. Lindsay, he traveled the world from country to country and fought like a lion for the state of Israel. He lying, he was doing some lion. That's true. He wasn't even Jewish himself. He simply believed, with all his heart, with all his might, that it was the right thing to do.

Now we the Jewish people must say Kaddish for him. Kaddish for the greatest righteous among the nations of our time. Perhaps even Kaddish for the many of the battles on behalf of his battles upon, on behalf of the Jews. I wish successors would rise for him. But now the situation in the American Congress is not encouraging to our regret. we will always remember you Lindsay rest in peace on your bed we love you we all love you

signed me and Matt the Jewish people oh fuck we all signed this card just imagine passing this around at the office you know someone passes around a birthday card you don't bother to look at it you don't realize it's the sexual abuser

one floor up you know you sign it and then you regret it and then your signatures on it forever we didn't mean to shit I just I just you know I just want to say happy birthday to Carl I didn't know that he was bombing Iran, dude. That's crazy. Rest in peace on your bed.

I love the on your bed part. It's like bed or whatever chair you're tied to during one of your your little sex forays. Yeah. Rest and peace and your leather gimp swing. Come on. And this is the, let's check

out what kind of person, Lindsay Graham, actually was. Okay? So this is the last photo of Lindsay Graham to exist. It is Lindsay Graham holding a drone. And when we say holding, this photo was taken yesterday in Ukraine. Yes. When we say holding, he's definitely stroking the side of it, the cylindrical side of it,

and he's cupping the underside of it. That's true. So he's got some techniques. He's cupping the balls. Dude, it's like, this is like a military-grade fleshlight. He's holding it to completion. Yeah. Yeah. That is, you know, just in case you were wondering what kind of guy he was,

this is the type of shot he takes. And just in case that's not enough, a reminder what kind of guy he was, here is a video or two of him, you know, really standing for human rights and democracy worldwide. So when we were faced with destruction as a nation after Pearl Harbor, fighting the Germans and the Japanese, we decided to end the war by bombing Hiroshima Nagasaki with nuclear weapons. That was the right decision. Give Israel the bombs they need to end the war they can't afford to lose and work with them to miss. minimize casualties. Can I say this? Why is it okay for America to not to drop two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki

to end their existential threat war? Why was it okay for us to do that? I thought it was okay. To Israel do whatever you have to do to survive as a Jewish state? When the Meet the Press person on NBC is desperately trying to cut in to get you to like slow down and tone it toned down the genocidal language? Yeah. You're really determined.

He really wanted it. Yeah. It is wild. All of these stories are now coming out, too, now that, you know, he's dead. People who, you know, were his sex workers that he hired are now all spilling these stories. Oh, they are. I just want to read one real quick because I just thought it was a fascinating, you know, look into this other life. He wrote, this is,

James Smiling wrote, Just woke up to find out Lindsey Graham is dead. Lull. Most of you know him as the homophobic senator from South Carolina, but to me he will always be the man who paid a Twinkie pre-transitioned college student,

me. Linky with Hawaii, not the snack. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A fat stack of cash to do unspeakable things to him in a hotel room while he wore red, lingerie. It is a canon trans event to have a far right

freaks bankrolling you and then turning around and voting against you. People love to judge us for it, but I never see them opening their wallet. Shout out to sex workers everywhere forced to humanize their enemies just to make rent. It is an absolute mind fuck to me that one of the reasons I had any semblance of financial security and a lack of student loans is because of this man

at the time. I had no idea who he was and I only figured it out because another group of twinks leaked Lady G to the media. Some queers tried to grandstand and critique this, but saying we shouldn't quote out people. I believe bigots with power deserve no peace or privacy, especially when they hold public office. I'm glad they did it. Icons forever. Anyways, if you've ever enjoyed what I do on the internet, know that it is in part because

of Lindsay's generous donation over a decade ago. If I ever sent you money for something, know that was kickstarted by the now deceased Sissy Senator from South Carolina. Lindsay, rest in hell for what you did to our community. I will continue to love queer and trans people harder than you ever hated us. You loved every second of our time together. Now everyone knows kisses.

I am just floored by the fact that, like, he was such an obvious like just trope like a Hollywood trope that is like he was a living breathing hackneyed premise you know like the fact that he was this with hackneyed psychology like you suppress your sensitivity you suppress your vulnerability

you try to be all butch when in fact what you want to be is a show tune singing little boy you you succumb to toxic masculinity and and try to rise in the halls of power and you mix that with white racism. And when you end up with is this cardboard cutout villain. Yeah, yeah. And just to, you know, we got to move on, but just to acknowledge him, I just, you know,

it's a moment of just reflection. I want to sing a little song for you. I heard there was a secret gay who made you sign an NDA. They're both expired. So, you know, it's true. you. Well, it goes like this. He'd pay for dick, and then he'd go to the Senate, and once screwed he would vote to fucking screw you.

Lady G. Yeah. Lady G. All right. I'm going to repeal or lift give an exemption to my no more covers of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah policy. That was great. Thank you. I have more. Verses, but I'm not going to do them. We don't have the time. We need to move on to our next subject.

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Everything. Any car sickness at all? Are you, you long for the bumpy ride? I love that you're, I love that your quarterbacking. I'm on, I'm on a lot of day quill.

My daughter got me sick and, you know, I'm still, I'm still struggling with my, where's your, because my daughter t-shirt? I know, but it's,

you know, she got me sick, and then she's, ruins my brain and then I have to take a bunch of DayQuil. So I have to do your job today and it's not easy. It's not keeping things going. I'm gaining a whole new respect for you, Matt. Exactly.

Finally, yeah, a new respect for me, aka ever having respect for me. Respect me. I'm experiencing respect for you. It's an interesting new feeling. I got to give a big shout out to Dayquil for helping me write the lyrics to that Leonard Cohen. I was like, that's what I'll work on for today's episode. Anyways, Brad Lander.

Brad Lander went on CNN. And I'm glad that we have these clips to watch because this will segue nicely to something you mentioned, Sabrina, which is your history being anything but anti-Semitic. In fact, co-founding a chapter of Shalom Salam, which I believe was a women's dialogue group, for Jews and Arabs? Anti-hate. Anti-hate kind of advocacy group, you know. So it was quite active.

That sounds eminently inoffensive. So why don't you tell us a little bit about that? And then we'll play these Bradlander clubs, both because he calls himself a liberal Zionist, but especially, you know, and we can have our conversation about that. But we generally like Bradlander around here for the role he plays and his function. We tend to focus on counter.

has bar a function rather than ideological purity. And when you see him talking to Dana Bash, who's one of the most rigid gatekeepers of Zionist orthodoxy in the mainstream media, the most ideologically committed, like she's not just doing her job. She's fulfilling her mission on Earth. You'll see what happens when his view of the world comes up against hers. She can't even fathom it. But what's your, tell us a little bit about that group and what you discovered about the ways that liberal Zionism insinuates itself and it places serious barriers on what can be said. So in some ways I will say that my role as co-founder of Sisterhood of Salam Shalom was like the starting point of what became the death of liberalism for me and my belief in liberalism. because I too, like other kind of well-intentioned anti-hate, anti-racism, anti-oppression scholars and people doing this work,

you know, liberalism and the liberal framework provides us with not just like ideology but praxis, right? Like how do we, through politics and through policy, improve the lives of people who are marginalized? So the liberal framework is supposed to be our tool to advance change. So I did fall, you know, I fell into the liberalism trap. And I know you said that, you know, you like him. And I probably old me would have would have liked him to. But now I'm a very big critic of liberalism. And, you know, I actually say that the dismantlement of Israel is,

is actually premised on the death of liberalism, not conservatism. Because what's upholding it is not the extreme right. It's not the Lindsay Graham types that's upholding this system. It's liberals who are actually upholding that system, right? They provide us with that, they pacify us with liberal language and hope. You know, Obama's great, you know, hope and change kind of, speech. So I wonder if the liberalism forms the beams and the struts, but the conservatism fortifies it and covers it in concrete. Absolutely. And that's a great analogy. And that's why I always say

that it's like they work together. I mean, the tweet that I wrote yesterday in response to Lindsay Graham dying was that, you know, when all these politicians around the world are eulogizing someone who supposedly has completely different politics to them, morally on a completely different plane. If they are with such rigor, you know, eulogizing them, as though they're talking about some colleague they've worked with in the same company all their lives, then maybe we should take the hint that they are working in the same company

and for the same boss. Yeah, when people tell you who they mourn, believe them. Exactly, right? So, anyway, going back to Citiative Salam Shalom, It was, for me, you know, a very liberal faith washing kind of effort. And, you know, since my time there, I've been talking a lot more about faith washing, which is basically like, you know, this whole interfaith, kumbaya, let's hold hands, let's fight hate with love, let's Jews and Muslims hold hands.

The reason why there's a problem in that is it basically perpetuates this false narrative that this is a war between Muslims and Jews. Right. And if only they could get together. If Muslims and Jews worked together and held hands and there was this interfaith solidarity, then we wouldn't have a problem. Then we could end the thousands-year cultural,

civilizational struggle, which has nothing to do with anything that happened in the past hundred years. Nothing material. Yes. Yes. Thousands of years of being natural enemies, according to the news. Right.

such enemies that they would celebrate festivals, you know, post-Passover together, Mamuna, that, you know, that the Muslims would take care of Jewish properties when, you know, never mind, we all know this. And, you know, I'm glad you're mentioning this actually, because this reminds me a lot of, you know, what I often compare the colonization of Palestine to. And I'm talking about the British colonization of India, right? and the over 150 million Indians who have been killed in those years that the British colonized India. And again, there was this like narrative with partition.

Because, you know, when India and Pakistan was created and there was a partition and millions of people were killed, there was this false notion that Hindus and Muslims are fighting amongst each other. And if only they could just get along and not hate each other, then there would be people. in that region, when really it was the British who stoked those that hate and caught exactly how in 1936 the British created this mess and then bounced out. You know, so I think that groups like Sisterhood of Salam Shalom, well-meaning, I don't think every person who's in that group is some evil, you know, caricature who's like, who's trying to like sway people in the wrong direction. I think they mean well, but it ends up being controlled opposition, just like liberals.

It ends up really not moving the needle forward at all. But it helped me understand things that I didn't back then. So I had never heard of this term liberal Zionist or a pro-Palestine Zionist. I'd never met one before. And I remember when I was in that group, there was this girl and she was like, I'm a pro-Palestinian. I'm a pro-Palestine Zionist. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. How does that work?

So she was the type to advocate for, you know, less evil colonization. Right. Like, can we just occupy them but not hurt them so much? You know that phrase that Zionists used to talk about, you know, queer people aligning themselves with Palestine, chickens for KFC? Liberal Zionist is functionally, you know, McDonald's executives for KFC. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. executives for KFC. Like, it's your competition. Right. And then there were like interesting things that

happened. I remember there was this one moment that really alerted me to the fact that, you know, liberal Zionist women or Zionist women actually function like white women, right? And there was this moment where I remember there was a meeting. We were all together. Something had happened where, you know, Palestinians had gotten hurt because of one of the many incidences that take place. And right? And all of a sudden, this white, blonde Zionist woman spent 30 minutes of that meeting crying and talking about her feelings. And all of a sudden, all of a sudden, the attention was on her and her feelings and how empathetic she is as an Israeli, because she was actually from Israel. And she sucked up all the energy in that room, you know, and I remember at that time looking at her because

I'm a race scholar. So I've been talking about white women's tears and how white women's tears have functioned to harm black men and boys, you know, historically. I was like, whoa, this is very similar to that situation. So I learned a lot in that role, but I stepped away. So did my Jewish co-founder, because we saw the space being co-opted by Zionists to kind of have this like false you know, where they almost tried to show that this was enough, right? Like that Muslims and Jews holding hands and having articles written about us was enough. And that's all that was needed. Speaking of enough, I feel like the organization we need at this point is not Shalom Salam Shalom, but like,

Khalas must speak. Like enough, enough already. Like fucking enough already. So when it comes to liberal Zionists, and we're going to transition to looking at Bradlander's conversation with Dana Bash, because you say you're very critical of liberalism. So am I. Very critical of liberal Zionism. Absolutely so am I. So is Matt. We come out of that world. We know its limitations. And you talked about the co-optation of it in the space of the peace world. What's interesting with Brad Lander and, you know, is that, again, I'm interested in people's

function and function is different in different spaces. Yeah, it's funny. We talk about liberal Zionist function in both people like Bradlander and people like Tucker Carlson. Both of them are essentially liberal Zionists. I mean, if you look at Tucker's positions whenever he is talking about Zionism, he avoids talking about whether or not Israel has the right to exist and whatnot. is sort of, he's very much in that more liberal Zionist camp. And it's just like Tucker, we're going to talk about a liberal Zionist, not as someone that we praise for their bravery or whatnot, but for their specific function and who exactly

they are for. It's counter-Hasbara. And that's what we talk about. And so Brad Lander has performed that function, I think, quite knowingly. and with a good degree of chutzpah, I think, and effectiveness, when he ran interference, when, you know, there he is sitting next to Mamdani, his buddy, who he's now, he's lost to and he's endorsing him,

and Stephen Colbert is interviewing both of them. And he's putting completely bad faith, racist questions to Mamdani about, you know, will you accept Israel's right to exist? Will you condemn him us or whatever it was? And Landre just steps right in. He's like, nah, no, you're not doing that to my boy, you know? So he has that function. as the function of saying things that go quite beyond what a lot of liberal Zionists are willing

to say while not disclaiming his liberal Zionism. He'll still call himself one, and as he'll do in this interview, but he will include words that most liberal Zionists are completely loath to say, like apartheid, genocide, and pointing out the contradiction between Jewish and Democratic when it comes to Israel. And a lot of liberal Zionists want to claim that it is a Jewish and democratic state. Brad Landers saying, I wish it was. Now, I would say to him, you're wishing for La La Land, because those two things can't coexist. But at least he's admitting that it's currently not. True. So let's take a look at this. And what I want us to pay attention to, especially is not so much Brad, but Dana. Because Dana here, she. I've never seen, never seen. I've never seen.

a more confused white woman in my life. We're a couple of minutes away from some serious white woman tears of deep confusion and perplexity. Yeah, here we go. You call yourself a liberal Zionist. What is a liberal Zionist? I believe in the vision of a Jewish and democratic Israel. I care about the place, but I don't think it's possible for it to be democratic while it's occupying the West Bank in Gaza. And I don't think that Israel's conduct in Gaza, which I do consider a genocide, is consistent with Jewish values. So to me, it's like you stand up and you call it as you see it.

I don't want to keep sending U.S. military to Israel while it's violating international law and Palestinian human rights. But I wanted to actually honor international law and Palestinian human rights. So it can be the Jewish and Democratic Israel that I grew up believing in. Just the face that she has there. Wait, wait a second. Hold on. Right. So again, I don't think it ever can be the Israel you grew up believing in, Brad, because the Israel you grew up believing in is a fantasy. Right.

That said, what he's acknowledging there to. Zionist CNN propagandist in chief Dana Bash's or maybe second in command to Jake Tapper, or maybe they're the dynamic duo, are some things that are just way beyond her ability to comprehend, as we'll see in the following clips. I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I understand. You said that you don't think it's a democratic Israel? I wanted to be a Jewish and Democratic Israel right now. I don't think it's modeling democracy while it occupies the West Bank and Gaza and half the people

under its sovereignty can't vote. But I believe that when occupation ends, they can be Jewish and Democratic. And that's what I am going to be fighting for. Why are you not just a Zionist? Why do you say liberal Zionists? I'm just, there's just, why are you the way that you are? Why? But you know what?

She's actually asking, I think, a good question here, which is, you know, this distinction that you're making is useful for whom? It's only useful for Brad and maybe the people that he's trying to talk to, which is other liberal Zionists. who are on the verge of... Who can't... Yeah. Who want to find a way to still believe in the fantasy of Israel,

but also critique the actual occupation that they see, which is... This is pre-October 7th standard liberal Zionism, to be clear. What do you think the difference is?

I mean, the Declaration of Independence that founded Israel says it would be a place for the in-gathering of exiles and full civil and political rights for everyone living there. The Palestinians living in the West

bank facing settler terrorism and we care about those rights so much that we will not enshrine them in a constitution that's right no it's just for the declaration of independent refugee camps in gaza because their schools and hospitals were destroyed they don't have full political and civil rights so it is not living up to its founding vision and to me believing in jewish and democratic means you got to fight for the human rights of Palestinians at the same time as you fight for the safety of jews i guess maybe a shorthand way of saying it is i don't think Israelis will be safe until until Palestinians are free and they both need that. Right.

So that's such a disappointing turn always. Go ahead, Sabrina. I know you have things to say. I was just going to say that that last part of the interview is where, you know, like I want us to focus on this perpetuation of the tropes, right? That war and terror trope that I said that is used, you know, that's so convenient for Israel that when he says Israelis cannot ever truly be safe until Palestinians are free, you know, on the surface it sounds like he's saying such a good thing, Palestine should be free,

Palestinians should be free. But what he's saying is that it's really about Israelis being safe because Palestinians are inherently terrorists or violent people and them being, you know, us oppressing them or us occupying them makes them really violent like caged animals. And, you know, we just, in order for us to be safe, we need to free them. It's the in order two part. It's a meet now Palestinian freedom and basic human rights are a means to an end. Like imagine going to the Museum for Human Rights and seeing, you know, an exhibit about the genocide of indigenous Canadians. And the takeaway, the last panel is white Canadians will never be safe until we do more land acknowledgements.

Yeah. And that's what we're supposed to be motivated by. Yeah. It's interesting. You know, I hear what you're saying. I also think that it's sort of depends on who the audience is. And this is where I always struggle with people like Lander, where I see him as someone who is trying to talk to essentially the parents, the Jewish parents of anti-Zionist kids in the room. and trying to get through to them in a way in which they, in which their feelings are taken into account,

which means always pandering to the fact that the most important thing here is the safety of Israelis. And always, in terms of order of operations, leads to talking about how Israelis are the priority. He's kind of on Peter Beynard's wavelength 15 years ago. Right. And this is the problem that I have with Lander. On the one hand, I appreciate counter Hasbara because I think it is important to, you know, the last three years, the Hasbara, the meter on like what is the way to talk about Israel has moved so far Zionist that him saying liberal Zionist shit from three years. years ago from before October 7th is considered radical to people that people are like wow he's talking about the occupation like that used to be like standard fucking boilerplate liberal Zionism um but but I you know I do think there is some function in the fact that he's talking about the problem I have is that he is going to be voting is that he is someone who has power and I would say to

Bradlander something like, you know, I kind of see where this is going for you, not unlike Peter Beinart, where you are going to continue realizing that you can't see the things you've seen. You can't unlearn the things you've learned. You can't be in community with the people you're in community with. Bradlander goes to J. Frege events. He talks to massive crowds of anti-Zionists in New York City. That's who he hangs out with. He seems very comfortable in those spaces and they've been remarkably welcoming of him.

and some Palestinian activists have been as well. I think, Matt, you made a really good point when you said that, you know, he's talking to the parents of, right, like of people. He's essentially like a politician for the uncles and aunties, right? Like the Facebook, the Facebook crowd. That's who he speaks to. But what's been proven, like, especially with what we've seen with New York politics and the people who have won, the really, you know, radical, like compared to him,

there's a reason why he lost, right? And there's a reason why even some of the recent wins have been people who are quite radical. Like, I mean, one of them, I've forgotten her name, but wasn't she, like, arrested at one of the campuses, right? Yeah, probably Daria Lise de Chivalier or Dariavaldas. Let's be clear, though. Bradlander did beat Dan Goldman in the recent prime. The very Zionist, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So he's, you know, he lost the mayor election, but he's, you know, he beat out a far, far worse. Yes. I just don't think that his policy. reflects the current public sentiment. No, it's behind the times for sure. I feel like he's behind the times. And I think what we're seeing in New York, this kind of like shift is the people have spoken. And they have proven that they are more radical in their thinking.

Like they are more revolutionary in their thinking. Like even the fact that he had to say, you know, what I believe to be genocide. Like the fact that he had to say that as opposed to what, you know, every human rights organization in the last three years has described as genocide. It's some of this language, and I am in the business of language, right? So I pick up on these things, narratives and narrative building and narrative making. And the ordinary layperson might not pick up on these things. But this all becomes part of your psychological kind of manipulation or, you know,

understanding of things. So that's why I find people like him to actually be controlled opposition. And I do understand the functionality of people like him. So I empathize with that position. But we get further away from freedom, democracy, revolution because of people like him. Yeah. And just to finish what I was saying, I would say that because of the fact that I see him as going, he's going to continue, I think, being on this journey of realizing that like, what

am I doing holding onto Zionism as if it is something that can be fixed, you know, holding onto this idea of a Jewish state that is, you know, it's an ethno-nationalist state. There's no changing that if you are holding onto a belief in Zionism. I think he's going to continue changing that. And I say, well, you're in power now, which means that you cannot vote like a liberal Zionist. And, you know, you're going to sorely regret the time that you spent, you know, pushing for this middle of the road idea. And in terms of like controlled opposition, this is also my fear about just liberal Zionist talking points in general, especially with Rahm Emanuel coming out. And, and, you know, they've unveiled sort of Hasbara 2.0. And that's what concerns me a little bit is the fact that, like, people like Dana Bash are, yes, psychopaths. People like Jake Tapper are psychopaths. But they are also so out of touch with the normal public sentiment when it comes to this issue that it's almost, it's almost beneficial for them to be so out of touch.

you know, where people can really see that you just cannot trust these news outlets. And what I worry about is a more sly hand of Hasbara. At the same time, I do acknowledge the incredibly important function, at least in my opinion, as someone who's got this very narrow lane of talking about, you know, the Hasbara's seeping into the culture. And I do think that it's functionally important. for older libs who are finally coming around to the idea that Jews can commit genocide. I know we seem like we can't.

To at the very least have somebody who is admitting to that. Three years into a genocide, though, Matt? I mean, I guess for me, I look at it as like, there's not a, there's not a wrong time for people to come around to the issue. And it should at the, you know, they have to deal. They have to live with themselves after realizing, yes, this is a genocide. I'd rather they come around to it than not. And so I, I will judge them for the fact that they're like, now I say it's a genocide.

Of course I'll judge them for that. but in a media landscape in which they make it possible for you to live in an alternate reality where genocide never happened. Everything was justified. Those babies never died. Anyone who is able to break out of that in some aspect, I will always support people learning. But that doesn't mean I won't judge them for the fact that it took this long. I'm really glad we cover this because I wanted to cover this. as sort of, ah, let's look at Dana Bash, be uncomfortable. But Sabrina, I appreciate you bringing a more critical lens.

And, you know, so consider this our Bradlander call-in segment on this. You can call them out. We're calling him in because we want better from him. Well, it's a lander acknowledgement. It's a lander acknowledgement. That was very good. 10 out of 10. That brings it all together.

Thank you, Nike will. Or is Dayquil? Is Dayquil at 99-9-9-9-Ws? I like you on these sedatives. they said again sorry that's takewell keeps you awake right all right one more thing to get to and this is a big deal I don't know if we'll be able to do it justice in the time we have

but here's a politician who's going further than homilies going further than platitudes going further than vague wishes for some abstract fantasy to be kept alive that is not even on life support anymore that's completely dead we're talking about Rocana going with two friends of the show Kam Kasky and Jasper Nathaniel and allowing himself to be led into the heart of darkness, into the West Bank itself, and getting a taste, a little taste of what occupation looks like, although even as he'll admit, it's the most privileged and mild taste filtered through the fact

that he's an American and has a lot of power. So here's what he tweeted over the weekend. Israeli settlers brandishing American-made M-4s detained me and other Americans on my trip to Palestine. When the IDF arrived, they sided with the settlers and continued our detention. They made a huge mistake. You will be hearing more soon. And he linked to a New York Times piece that we'll take a quick look at in the second. But first, let's watch a little video from Rokaneh.

describing what happened to him. I saw the arrogance in the eyes of those settlers, 21 and 22 year olds with guns, laughing that they had detained us, the arrogance of those young IDF soldiers that my tax dollars are funding, having no respect for the fact that they were detaining Americans, no respect that there was an American congressperson in that bus, and laughing when our translator told them that there are Americans there in the American embassy is concerned. It is the arrogance of power, of a power that has had no accountability, total impunity, and has created a toxic culture of oppression.

So the New York Times headline, an American politician is blocked by Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Oh, no. They boxed them out. What is this fucking basketball? Yeah. Israeli settlers are the fucking Hakeem Alajuan of

blocking people from going to the West Bank. An American politician is denied at the rim by Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Wagging a finger at him. Goaltending call disputed by the ICJ. Representative Roe Conner that was barred from leaving for 90 minutes

from leaving where? Where past U.S. leaders toured the And this is where they want the article to go. We're not going to get into it. We don't have time. But where past U.S. leaders toured the region to show support for Israel, today's Democratic presidential aspirants are going to bolster their credentials as critics.

So there's this thread, this sneaky, smarmy thread underlying all of it, which supports, if it doesn't come out and exactly say that this is all a stunt. Now, they're pointing to what we've been pointing to, which is that both in terms of electability and Hasbara 2.0. and they mentioned the Ram Emanuel Tel Aviv speech, which we covered on our Patreon episode last week, in the article as consistent with this, right? I think what Rokane was doing was something significantly beyond that.

He went into the West Bank with two prominent protective presence journalists, Kam Kasky and Jasper Nathaniel, and interviewed Palestinians. And all of this. But yeah, the New York Times wants you to know that this is, that anti-semitism is happening. Anti-Semitism's happening. Or at least cynical, political maneuvering.

So next, and we're going to get into some of the takes here. By the way, Netanyahu denied it, said that it was just a bunch of hoodlums. It was about, there's 100 juvenile delinquents and so on and so forth. There were all kinds of claims. The IDF claimed that the, army showed up first, right? And I love that Israel gets to do this thing where they're just like, oh, you know, there's just a hundred of these, you know, these, you know, youth hoodlum gangs, you know, in the West Bank,

you know, and there's, and they cause all the trouble. And there's nothing we can do about it. It's not like we can arrest them. I mean, they're the ones who have civil rights, you know, as opposed to the Palestinians who are literally living under military control can be arrested and held on administrative detention for absolutely no fucking reason. But then they're just like, I don't know what to do about this hundred or so hill top youth gang. We don't know where they go at night and we, you know, we can't well surveil them or bust into their encampments and grab them.

Also, not to mention that they are actually funded to be there. Of course they are. They're paid to be there. Supported by the government. I mean, it is. Plucked out of the foster care system very conveniently. Yeah. It is just such a bold lie where they have to live with all of these different conflicting narratives of like everyone's got rights.

But also we're allowed to arrest any Palestinian we want. But also we can't do that to our settlers because what are we some, you know, theocratic monarchy like fucking like what are we Iran? We can't do that. What is this a police state? What is this an occupation? We're a democratic. you know, country. And then it's just they just constant lies.

It's insane. So of course, the Israeli Army lied about it, Netanyahu lied about it on Meet the Press. Rokana went on Meet the Press and to his credit said, no, they're lying. That's not what happened. Here's Emily Schrader. U.S. Representative

Rochana is a charlatan and dishonest. His tour was halted on the bus because they entered a CMZ closed military zone. Ah, the closed military zones, which also include things like Palestinians, schools. They can show up one day and find out that their school or their home is a closed military zone. Closed military zone was used as part of the Nakba to say your entire village is now a closed military zone. Sorry, you can't come back to your homes,

which is prohibited due to safety to civilians. Police were called in to discuss the problem with the tour organizer who had repeatedly attempted to enter. the CMZ in the past as well. And again, eyewitnesses have confirmed this is a complete lie. It's not the police who arrived first. It was this vigilante settler group who are, and then when the police and the army did arrive,

they sided with them. The bus had to wait until the arrival of the soldiers to the scene, which is what caused the delay. It was not a detainment. No one was arrested. Police stated they have already viewed the body cam footage of police at the scene, confirming this account.

Ah, well, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank God. Thank God. That always, that always clears everything up. Yes. The tour participants were also briefed and then continued on their way. Much like Rahm Emanuel, this is another example of a propagandist who behaves as if he is paid by America's enemies,

intentionally orchestrating a scene to provoke attention and whine about Israel. Rokana, you are truly pathetic. Thank you, Emily. Emily, by the way, your friends and family in West Delhi want you back? Come back. You have the right of return. You have the right of return to Santa Monica or wherever. Like, the most not from here motherfucker in the world is just like I've got Arabic and Hebrew in my name.

Cool. I never noticed that. That's her new thing. She's, you know, she's trying to bring both cultures together, Sabrina. That's a salam shalom ass. Yes, yes. She's doing salam shalom. Oh, shit.

Oh, man. She can cry in all three languages. That's right. Nadav Weiman says, you know, I was there with Representative Kahnana as an expert on settler violence, and armed settlers were the first to arrive. And then, as this become the norm, Israeli soldiers joined them. Together, they detained the delegation for over an hour. The IDF is lying and not for the first time.

That's who I was referring to before. Then we have some more excellent Hasbara takes on this. the New York Post, of course. Rokana blew off an offer to meet former Israeli hostages, October 7th survivors on his, quote, campaign trip. I love that. He said a source. He blew them off, you know, not unlike Hamas did on October 7th.

Blowing off? It's one step removed from blowing up. That's right. Exactly. They just can't stop doing it. Now, Roa Kana, of course, responded to this. Sorry, we don't have that. one, but he basically said, excuse me, I've met with them on previous trips.

Right. Like, Alon Levy tried to own him being like a few years ago he was supporting Israel. Yeah, he's evolved. He's been there several times. He's toured the Kibbutz, I believe. He's spoken to October 7th victims. He's done that part of the work. And all the people taking him to task for doing this would never do what he's doing.

All the people saying it's not balanced. I'll show you a video later from Democratic majority for Israel, which takes this tag, which is hilarious. Anyway, moving on. Congressman Greg Murphy, one of his colleagues, sounds like another plea for publicity. Anything to get in front of the camera. Why else would you be there? It isn't your country.

Guess what? It's not Israel's country either. It's the West Bank. I love that you can just do that. You can just be like, this isn't your country. You know, what are you doing? Why aren't you in America? But also you're allowed to ask them like, hey, when you get elected, what is the first country you're going to visit?

It's got to be Israel or you're going to jail. Yeah. I'm sure when Uncle Lindsay or Auntie Lindsay went to Ukraine with Amy Klobuchar, Senator Murphy was or Congressman Murphy was very quick to be like, get back here. Ukraine's not your country. Right. What are you doing in Ukraine? No, it's like you're just allowed to bring out, what are you even doing there if it's for

the sake of showcasing, you know, Palestinians human rights being abused? But if it's to show Israel being a wonderful, you know, democracy that dances, it's just like, wow, you know, it's really good that you did this. It's really wonderful. Yeah, someone else came out and said he should have gone to the nightclubs. We'll see that in a second. Any comments so far, Sabrina, on this? I mean, when I watch the whole thing unfold, like, you know, the first thing that came to my mind was that a lot of the reason why he was treated the way he was treated was because he was brown and he has looked down upon, you know, Israelis are deeply racist. Even the brown ones. I mean, there is just like a system, and they've been within this system, this very racial kind of oppressive system for so long that there is no other way for them to look

at people. And to them, the thing that I had tweeted was that they probably didn't even think he was American, let alone an American settler. I'm a senator. Now I'm pulling her, Daniel. You're both doing it. You're not even on Dayquil. Maybe Senator colonialism needs to be this episode.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that had a lot to do it. So when I read his tweet where it said, you made a huge mistake. A part of me was like, brother, brother, you're not going to get what you think you're going to get from this. It's like, you made a huge mistake.

You're going to watch what my American colleagues are going to do to you. No, your American colleagues don't give a shot. They would literally let you die there. Yes. Like, no joke, the amount of pushing that had to be done by, it was Jasper, right, who was able to get one American citizen Palestinian-American out of administrative detention. It took, like, months of effort. Of his mom calling their senator. Yes.

And, and, and, nice, older, kindly mother. And all it does is remind you that, like, yeah, if you are there, even as an American citizen, even as an American, you know, lawmaker, uh, and they decide something going to happen to you, um, nothing will be done. That's right. So I think what he, hopefully what he meant, you'll be sorry for this. Because he intimated this in other interviews. He said, look, this is, you know.

You should think twice before you detain long shot presidential candidates. Oh, yeah. He said that about himself. And he said, I'm going to go into every community in America, working class communities, urban communities. And I'm going to tell them what I saw here. And I'm going to tell them about the Palestinian stories I saw. So, you know, to give him credit, I think that's what he means when he says, you're going to be sorry. But certainly he's not going to get, I haven't seen any of his Democratic colleagues speak about this.

Come to think of it. They've been too busy. like mourning Lindsey Gray. That's right. Yeah. They just have to think about the world's most horniest war criminal who died suddenly. They don't give a shit about Rocahanna and what he's gone through.

In fact, they probably killed Lindsay Graham so they wouldn't have to talk about it. In fact, Lindsay Graham probably volunteered to get killed so that they wouldn't be able to talk about it. Take me, take me. Take me. He went ballistic. He went ballistic.

That way you get one one more day of coverage that's not about you. Please. That is probably true. Some more crazy attacks on Rokana. David Marcus says, and these are all such incredible self-owns

in different ways. We talk about the unoriginality of Hasbaris. I have to say, in cases like this where something completely breaks containment and surprises people and is outside the box, they're not prepared, everyone goes rogue and comes up with their completely own, bespoke thing.

This is where their creativity comes out Because we're going to see each of these Is completely off the wall in its own way. Blue Box Dave says How would the US react If a member of the Israeli Knesset illegally broke into an ice facility To interview detainees

Because that's pretty much what Kana did here. Okay, so now you're admitting that the West Bank is basically a giant... A giant jail? Giant... Yo! Honestly based. You know?

Maybe. accidental based, but based indeed. And he didn't illegally break in. He drove in. Right. Yeah. Probably on a Jewish only road. Yeah. That is so wild. We're just like, all right, let's reverse it for a

second. What if some Israeli guy broke into the alligator fucking pond at the new alligator prison? Like, that is wild. Thank you, David Marcus.

Mark Randaza, who I've never heard of. No idea. And he's got America, Italy, and Brazil on his flag flight. Let's recap. Guy goes to a foreign country and wanders into a questionable neighborhood. Dangerous neighborhood. You know, the West Bank is a tough neighborhood, as every single Israeli leader has described it.

Wow. Questionable. The local security detains him. He's now pissed off that when he played the Don't You Know Who I Am card, they laughed at him. The local security? You were stopped by some Klansmen. A group of feral zombies.

Who we hired to play the local neighborhood block watch. Yeah, that's right. Our local militia of orphans detained you for a while. Some guy tried to claim, I don't have this video, but what's his name? Gadalia something, he's really. He tries to explain very, very reasonably that it was Shabbat. It was Saturday. And they were just, you know, they were just Shom Riem.

They were just sort of keeping the Sabbath. And they keep, you know, video cameras to make sure no one's driving on the Sabbath. And that triggered the alert and all this kind of stuff. So, you know, it was a religious thing. Yes, yes. Yeah, you can definitely. fire a gun on Shabbat. Yes. Thank you, Adam.

You're out of your element, Donnie. Steve Eisner, this is, speaking of the nightlife. Exactly. Rokana wasn't going to Israel to visit the wailing wall or check out the incredible Israeli nightlife. The only two things that you are apparent

that they have to offer. The holiest place in Judaism and the glorious Judaism and the glory holiest place in Judaism. Wow. Wow. Glory holiest of holies. His sole purpose was to cause trouble, get his photo op,

and show his bona fides to the radical communist left for his 28 presidential run. Well, thank God the radical communist left is a demographic you have to appeal to in politics these days. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Jake Donnelly has a hilarious take. You want to read this one, man? Yeah.

Want to know how this is a political. publicity stunt, dude is wearing a blazer and tie in Israel in fucking July. That's how you know, dude. No one wears a blazer in Israel. Edemar Ben-Givir never wears a suit. Tatello Smotrich is always wearing safari, you know, shirts. That's how I know it's fair. He should be in a hoodie.

He should be in an IDF uniform. You should be either IDF uniform or he should be currently putting on to filling. Those are the only ways he should be dressed. Carol Markovych says, do I ever criticize Israel? Carol with a K, by the way. Two letters away from Karen. Yes, let me do it right now. Why would you let Rokana into the country? Obviously, he was going to get exactly this photo op and the biggest morons in America would hand ring on X. Blunder by Israel. Wish they were more like their haters imagine. I'm sorry, but like the obviously he was going to get this exact photo up.

It's actually very easy to not have a U.S. senator being accosted by a fucking militia of orphans. Like this idea that like, well, of course that was going to happen. You went into the area where we let that happen. It's like, come on, man. And also, this was a blunder by Israel. Like, do I ever criticize Israel? And this was a blunder by Israel. He wasn't in Israel.

Right. Exactly. Exactly. I mean... But therein is like, it's like a Freudian slip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But don't tell Carol that that's not Israel. She'll flip a fucking gas. I love questionable neighborhood as the new metaphor. Occupied territory. That's right. Yeah.

Carol Margebiz. This is also hysterical. She took a totally different tack here. She's talking about the photographer, the Times photographer. who took the picture of Kana. I am so surprised that the Times photographer with Kana is an anti-Israel activist. Cannot believe it. And this is the same person who sided with anti-Israel activists against Scarlett Johansson

during the Soda Stream controversy. Wow. Damn. So this dude is a real Hamasnick. Real Hamasnick, yeah. Damn, that's crazy. Bruce Pearl, coach Bruce Pearl. Who does he coach?

Who? Who, it's, you know, these blue check marks are not real people. No, but he is a coach. He's a NCAA coach or something. Or maybe he has a, he's like a sports pundit on TNT. Hey, Ro, I've been to Judean Samaria, and it's the most beautiful part of Israel. I'm sorry you were, quote, detained. You know what would happen to you if you were Jewish and you took a wrong turn and found

yourself in a place like Janine? You'd be killed, all caps. Tuffin up. Jasper posted, here's a video of me. I hope it helps coach. And it's him being like clambered over by. Palestinian children in Janine, people serving them food, total hospitality and warmth. They love having Jews there who are there for the right reason.

Yeah. I also, it's just, it's really funny to be like, you know, do you know what happened to you if you weren't a U.S. senator? And it's like, wait, but he is a U.S. senator who's being fucking detained and threatened by fucking Israeli settlers. Like, it just, it's just the way you have to imagine a scenario that's, you know, worse in order to talk about something that actually happened. I'm sorry you were seized from your home and put in a medium security prison with no charge

for the next two years. Do you know that you could have been seized from your home, your wife and kids killed, and put in a maximum security prison for the rest of your life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could be worse. Look on the bright side. I mean, phantom scenarios is kind of like the Israeli thing, right? Yeah, that's the way to put it. Yes, yes, where you can immediately counteract any actual real-life thing that happens

with something that the scariest thought that you've ever thought, you think getting detained by Israeli settlers is bad. What if you were in a pit with a million anti-Semitic snakes and they all bit you at the same time

and then an elephant stumped on you? Be me pretty bad, huh? It reminds me a lot of that. Is it my Miami. Like, she comes up with the best kind of phantom situations of anti-Semitism and fear. But in fairness, she's surrounded by anti-Zionist agitators, by which we mean her adult children.

Yes. Who hate her. Her children keep bringing her. She keeps bringing up her children on the podcast as like people who have said things like, well, when's the last time you posted in support a Palestine mom or things like, I can't walk around my own house without being called a Republican. I actually didn't know this. Didn't she talk about how her children had to witness people in T-shirts that that didn't like?

Yes. And then her children who are 20 years old or something responded to that being like, well, mom, they kind of have a point. When's the last time you posted in support of Palestinian children? Yes. She admitted this. So the children's book that she wrote wasn't for her children. She didn't write it. She promoted it and maybe funded it.

Yeah. So she's been like, you know, trying to, I mean, people like me all this time have thought that she has these young children. Oh, no. There's a real danger to them. Her kids stopped letting her read them bedtime stories when they were 17. They're not trying to hear it. No, she got grown-ass kids.

And I say groan, G-R-O-A-N. Because they are groaning at her all the time. Oh, yeah, this is my favorite. This is my favorite. I'm glad to end with this one. This is Corey Walker at Corey Writing, who says, Ban agitator. You read this one, Matt. This one's for you. Ban agitators like Rokana and Cam Caskey from Israel.

Invite more people like clavicular to Israel. This is not hard. Dr. Sabrina, what do you know about looks maxing? I don't. Well, you really need to get up on your looks maxing because this is, clavicular is like the number one influencer for young boys who hit themselves on the face with hammers in order to develop cheekbones. Oh my God.

Yeah, no. Speaking of clavicular, he actually, I believe he is leaving Israel and he's pissed he ever went there because he did this country a huge favor by showing up to do live stream events for him. And all they did was pick on him for going into clubs. acting a fool. It is truly amazing. He did some TikToks with like one of the IDF's like young

hot press spokespeople and now she's getting into trouble for it. Really? Yeah. That's great. So this person is saying that we should have more of those types of people. Yeah. More. Senators and politicians and people who can write tweets.

Yes. Yes. He's like stop, you know, stop inviting senators and start inviting more open meth addicts. to Israel in order to show how cool the nightlife is, at least for long enough before they turn on the country for being shitty. Or turn a gun on themselves. You ever heard clivocular speak?

Like, just the intense, the soullessness in his eyes. Self-loathing, dude. The self-loathing, thinly disguised as, like, confidence. And he's selling confidence to young boys, a shudder to think. It's like an antidote, I guess. Yeah, but with. less testosterone.

Yeah, and less confidence. It's pure vanity and like self, like, if you can imagine, he's got less life in him than Andrew Tate does. Yeah, yeah. Because at least Andrew Tate has, like, developed like a, I don't know, a reality to live in, in which he probably does believe he is like some sort of king. Whereas I'm pretty sure that clavicular is in a deep state of manic depression.

But he looks great, guys. That's what happens when you name yourself after a, bone. That's right. I was just about to say, was it like the smashing of the face that led to the name? Yeah, I can, I can only guess as to where the origin of the name comes from. I'm going to hit my, I'm going to take a chainsaw to my skull and call myself cranial. There we go. That works. And then he went to Israel, which has the largest skin bank in the world. That's that. In case he needed to replace the facial skin. They control the skin banks. They control the skin banks. I'm just kidding

Dayquil Dayquil That's where you get your pound of flesh from That's where you get your pound of flesh from That's Rashada Last thoughts on Rokana Before we wrap up You know

I am glad that he went out there I think it is a overall positive thing That even You know For people who are Incredibly cynical like me You know I look at it as like

if he is full of shit and is just using this for political purposes, just to pander to, you know, an electorate that wants to see the end of support for Israel, the fact that it is recognized that that electorate exists and is powerful and votes in large numbers and will continue to grow, it says to me that this is a positive, it's a positive bit of movement. That's how I feel about it, despite my feelings about Roe being kind of like, yeah, I don't know, he seems a little. Yeah, I'm also obviously a cynic, but, you know, I think the proof is in the pudding. And in this case, it's like the proof is in the tweets. And when you see this kind of like mass hysterical, worried tweeting coming out from, you know, the pro-Israel crowd, it means that something is shifting. There's a reason why they're, you know, worried about what this makes Israel look like. So I think there's a positive impact of him going there. And we need more people like him to actually make non-A-PAC-funded trips.

And I mean, I had mentioned this to Daniel, but like, you know, a Canadian delegate had gone to Israel delegation. And MP Ikra Khalid, who is also a brown MP here, was assaulted by the IDF. and there were bullets fired at the delegation. Nobody was shot, but they were shot at. And to me at the time, I, you know, again, it was like such a brazen disrespect of Western politicians.

Like, I'm shocked at this point that there is no dignity or self-respect amongst American politicians, Western politicians. Like, aren't you just embarrassed by how you were treated? Yeah, yeah. It is shocking. And then again, at the same time, you look at Lindsay Graham and you go like, there doesn't need to be self-respect because when you die, everyone's just going to be like, and they were so great and wonderful and we love them. So it's like if you're all cucking for Israel together, then you get to live in this constructed fantasy in which that's fine. None of us have self-respect.

The fact is we're all just going to be civil to each other when we die. You get to live in the basement. Self-de-basement. Yay, I like it. And I think that's been an episode. I think we talked about a lot. Boy, boy, boy, did we cram a lot in. I'm glad we got to it all.

Thank you for bearing with us there, Sabrina, and sticking it out for the duration. Yeah. Thank you for coming on. It was fun. It was fun chatting with you guys. And I'm so glad we got through everything as well because those were some important, very current events for us to cover. So I'm excited to see what comes of it.

And it was so great to be a part of your conversation. And hopefully we can do it again. Yeah, absolutely. Anything you want people to know about that's coming up? Or just where to find your book? You can go to my website to find the book, DEI Undone, which is really just kind of like talks about the death of liberalism and how DEI has, you know, been...

is representative of liberalism. And yeah, just kind of catch me on all the social media platforms where I do my advocacy. And you'll see me talking shit and being loud and noxious and anti-Semitic. Hell yeah. The more the merriest. And we will link to your website as well as all your social medias on our in the show description, the show now. That's right. Well, thank you so much for coming on, and thank you to everyone out there for listening slash watching another episode of Bad Hasbara.

Patreon.com slash badasbara, badasbarra at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, folks, thanks so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea. Right, this isn't the devil's voice, okay? Oh. A graham cracker, smores for me. sign an NDA they're both expired so you know it's true well it goes like this he'd pay for dick and then he'd go to the senate and one screwed he'll screw as much as he loved and youth