Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 220: Scotland Yarmulke, with Mohammed el-Kurd

Episode Date: July 21, 2026

Matt and Daniel are joined by writer and journalist Mohammed el-Kurd to call out NY Mayor Zohran Mamdani’s Bibi arrest threat, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach’s World Cup portion-size complaints, and a tale of campus anti-semitism in the London Daily Telegraph that surely transpired exactly as written if it happened at all, which it definitely did.Visit https://halapalestine.com/ and use code BADHASBARA for 10% off. It helps the show! Products made in Palestine and delivered to your door.Please donate to Playgrounds for Palestine: https://playgroundsforpalestine.org/Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraMohammed el-Kurd’s books at Haymarket Books: https://www.haymarketbooks.org/authors/1092-mohammed-el-kurdMohammed el-Kurd IG: https://www.instagram.com/mohammedelkurdMohammed el-Kurd X: https://x.com/m7mdkurd?lang=enBad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURWhat’s The Spin Album List: https://bit.ly/whatsthespinlistSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSubstack https://substack.com/@badhasbaraSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

We invented the cherry tomato castes us. Tocos salad truss. Podarabar. We invented the cherry tomato and welcome to Bad Hasbara. Oh, frankly, tabernacoste, Chris Carly, it's the podcast the most moral of the world. Yo, uh, I'm appell Matt Leav,

and, uh, I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast. I also, I'm Daniel Matte, I'm a belle province of Quebec, at Montreal, and I'm your other most moral co-host. That's why I was just swearing in French. All those swear words, Matt, are all just Catholic terms. Tabernacle, chalice.

Yeah, like in Quebec, if you want to swear, just list off items you find in a Catholic church. Wow, man, that's crazy. Sacrament. So, wait, those are swears? How are those swears? It would be the equivalent if Jews were like, Bima, scroll, you know, like, Torah pointer, you know.

Exactly. Cantor. Wow, that is wild. So excited for all of you. Baby blood funnel. Oops, I didn't say that. Yeah. That's not really a thing.

No, that's not a thing. We don't use a funnel. We're just kind of, you just pour it on the matto. Anyways, I'm very excited for another wonderful episode of this. the world's most moral podcast. I'm going to encourage you once again to go to patreon.com slash bad as barra. Join to get the extra episode every week. You can join.

You don't have to. It is not required. Although I will say there's a lot of occasionally we get people in the free feed who are just like yelling at us that there's a bonus episode that they don't get to see. And listen, And don't be a greedy hog. You know? I walked into a bakery just now.

And I yelled at them that there was a cake in the window that I didn't get to eat. Because I hadn't paid for it. Right. Yeah. And what did they say? What did they say? What did they say? Tabernet, Kostit, Chris Carly.

They started swearing up. No, it didn't happen. Chris, who do molest. I don't know, man. I don't speak French. They said, you Jewish? Yeah. And I said, yeah, what of?

There's no connection. You know, it's just so ungray. I just happen to be miserly and stingy. It's got nothing to do with my acting background. That's the thing. It's really unfair how much I just contort my own being in order to avoid stereotypes. For example, if someone, if I pay for something, I will never, I'll never ask for like, like we had some friends come over and we had dinner and stuff like that.

They're like, oh, we'll help pay for this stuff. And I was just like, no, no, no, no, you know, you're not. Please don't. And then they did. And immediately I was like, you know, why you got to, why you got to make me, why you put me in the position, you know, to just don't say anything. Just accept gifts. I'm not cheap. You know, that's, anyways, what were you talking about?

Jewish feelings. I don't know, but Adam just made a kiddish cuck. and we should give him a shout out because he's on the ones and twos. Shout up to producer Adam Levin on the ones and twos. He's always here, onesing and twosing. And letting you all know that today's episode is brought to you

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It's a better cause than I'm getting an extra episode of this stupid-ass podcast every week. Let me say this. They just opened to school. I believe that will be open in September. I just announced it today. This is how I found out about them. And they were founded by which friend of the show met? Was it Susan?

They was founded by Susan Abelawa back in, like, 2001, I think. Yes, that's incredible. You know, sometimes our guests do a great philanthropic work that happens occasionally. And then sometimes our guests are just comedians. Yeah. That's, you know, it takes all kinds. We run the gamut. We sure do.

Wow, we just said gamut at the exact same. have two human beings ever said the word gamut at the same time? Probably not. We're probably the first. Look at us. We're always just at first at the same time. Jinks, you owe me two, well, not coax, but whatever the non-BDS Coke is. You owe me some coke.

You owe me cocaine. Daniel, what's the spin? Well, let me see. What's in my Mactaba bag? This is Libreary Mactaba, the bookstore owned by which friend of the podcast here in Montreal, Matt? David? No, Yassine Narsi. Ah, fuck.

All right. And his wife, Sundus. I saw Mohammed's book in there, of course. As well as my own book was in there on the shelf. All right, what have I got? Lassa de Sela, who was, I think she might have, I keep obituarying people on this podcast. You weren't dead.

That's right. You've done that a lot. So I'm not going to say she's dead. Uh-huh. Okay. But she might be alive. We'll just never Google it. I love that.

This was a big deal sort of world music album out of Canada, out of Montreal in the late 90s. She does, I forget what the, what style it is. It's either Spanish or Portuguese or Basque or something like that, one of those Iberian languages. Elvis Costello, this year's model. Okay. Which has Pump it up on it, I think. Pump up the jams. Pump it up.

That one? Yeah, exactly. Technotronic featuring Elvis Costello. That's right. No idea who this is, but I got it strictly for the name and the cover. Frankie Givago Young and the Village Rams with Rams on the Loose. Rams on the Loose, okay. I'm interested in what that sounds like.

Yeah, I have Paul McCartney's Ram album, but this is new. Ram? Real Ram job. All right, gentle giant. Yes. Do you know these guys? Yes, I do. I had never heard of them until recently, and now I own several of their

records, they're always great. It's like really cool Prague shit. Really cool Prague shit. This was in my Prague phase when I was into like gentle giant and Mahavish new orchestra and shit like that. I didn't know this about you. Yeah, well, you know, we all go through phases. So I have the octopus album and now I have this album with three friends. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Round about midnight, Miles Davis. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like Miles Davis. Very early. I think this is his first, first album on Columbia Records. And, Finally, air, moon safari. I like air.

French, French, electronica, atmospheric, something or other. I remember them. Yeah, they did. Highly rated album. I'm looking forward to checking it out when I get home. They did a jeans commercial one time, and that's how I learned about them, and then I saw them at Coachella. Wow.

Also, when I was younger. This is back when I liked music instead of just listening to audio books over and over, so I don't have to think my dark thoughts. Did I tell you, I took your, in Adam's recommendation and listen to the Robert Evans. The kid stays in the picture audio book on this road trip? Yes. How'd you like it?

Did I enjoy that goddamn audio book? You bet your ass I did. You bet your ass I enjoyed it. That guy really truly fascinating character. RIP to a guy who's probably a piece of shit. Yeah, he really seemed like one. So that's what's spinning in the Mate household, where he is currently on the road.

And now it is time to introduce our guest. I'm very excited, very excited, because we have a returning Badis Barra champion. You know him, you love him. He is a writer and a journalist. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome back to the pod. Muhammad El Kurd.

Hey. Hello. Hello. That's hilarious introduction. That's how we do here. We're living in Kurdistan today. We are El Kurdistan's. That's what we are.

We stand you. We stand. El Kurdish. Daniel really. Corditions. That's right. That's right. We're eating our Kurds and way.

I am sorry. Good to see you. How have you been? How's life? Great. Good. Great and good. I love you.

Yeah. Yeah. I, uh, you know, just, uh, just I have a three-year-old. So, you know, I'm a, I'm a three-year-old. So, you know, I'm always tired. No way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is, we're about to do two weeks with no daycare because for some reason, daycares take a summer break, which is fine. I mean, teachers need time off. But that means we're going to be on the road traveling with a three-year-old child.

And it's going to be a lot of fun. Love being a dad. Dad stuff is truly wonderful. Yeah. You can tell that. I love it. Yeah. We met someone close to you recently. Your sister. Yeah. Your sister.

That's right. We now share a film credit with your sister. That's right. Yeah. That's right. She was the dialect coach for the movie we acted in. Yes. It was so cool to finally meet her.

And you had just landed in Jordan when we took off. Like we overlapped in the country by a day. What were you doing there? And how was that trip for you? It was nice. I was having a little reunion with my family because they haven't been able to go back to Palestine since the genocide started for, you know, security reasons. Right. So they all came to Jordan to hang out. And it was, it was, it was, it was nice to be with the family for the first 48 hours. And then, you know.

And then the first 48 hours passed and then you're with the family. Oh, I get it. Yeah. I understand. Yeah. I'm about to do two weeks with my daughter on the road, so I can't. Well, that's awesome. I'm so glad that you're here.

I wanted to talk to you about a little bit of New York politics. There is a mayor, and his name is Zoran Mamdani. How dare you pronounce his name correctly? If you know, it's the job of every pundit to mangle it somehow, very easy to say. For a second, I thought I fucked it up. Yeah. Mommy-Dami. There is a one-to-one correlation with anyone fucking up his name who is also about to do something extremely racist.

Yeah, it's the gateway to being an asshole. Yeah. But he recently did an interview with someone from the New York Times, and I want to play a little bit of it. And then talk to you about it because there's been this promise or I'm not sure if it was a campaign promise or not. but it seemed to be at the very least part of the narrative that if Netanyahu were to come to the United States, specifically New York city, that Mamdani would arrest him. It was a promise. It was a promise. Yeah. It was a promise. And then the tone started to shift slightly. And after the victory, it was like, if he comes to New York, then we're going to consult with the law on what is to be done. And obviously, he's a politician and he was running in a campaign in a city where pro-Palestinian center. is deeply popular and Netanyahu's unpopular. So it makes sense that he would make such a promise.

And it is our job to hold him to account. Look, I've made all kinds of promises when I was in the middle of a courtship, you know? And then when you consummate it, you're like, what? I said what? No, I said I would try. You're saying he's having post-not clarity about the rest of Netanyahu. He's having a little bit of post-not clarity.

Post-not vagueness. Here's... POSNOT ambiguity. This is the video of Zoran Mamdani, post-nut clarifying his position on arresting Netanyahu. Last question on this topic. What's the same interviewer as Tucker Carlson and Robbie Hoffman? This woman is like interviewing everybody these days.

Yeah, you know, apologies, I don't remember her name. But, yeah, she interviews a lot of people. That's like her job. After Benjamin Netanyahu is perhaps planning to visit New York for the UN General Assembly, you pledged during your campaign and after you won to order his arrest to comply with the international criminal court warrant, what will happen if he comes in September? I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu belongs in the Hague. He's a war criminal who has been charged by the International Criminal Court.

And what you will find is that is an opinion that is held by many, purely by because of what his actions have wrought over these last many years. I've also said that I will follow the laws that we have here in New York City because I believe that there is an importance in following the law as a leader who presides over our city

and that's something that I plan to do. Meaning, I'm sorry, I don't understand what that means. Meaning that whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that's what we will do, but we won't be writing our own laws to that end. And wouldn't you have consulted the law previous to this? Like, you've had quite a bit of time to consult this law that pertains to the promise you made.

He's got a lot of stuff to do, Daniel. He can't just be talking to the lawyer about laws all the time. That's fair. He's got to make that bus passing for you. How you to do? That's an active conversation with our legal department in seeing what the prospects are we have here in our municipality. However, what we've seen at the national level is a desire sometimes to write your own laws, to go outside of the bounds of legality.

That's not something we have an interest in. I mean, normally when people come to a UN General Assembly, they're granted a sort of amnesty because it is the seat of the United Nations. Is that what you're... But amnesty is anti-Semitic. We've heard Israel say that, so... That's right.

Yeah, well, amnesty international specifically. That's what I'm talking about. Honor, or you're actively looking to see if you can actually arrest him? I think we are looking at all of our legal obligations, and one of them is with regards to the United Nations, but the other part of this is, is we're not talking about a...

personal assessment of Benjamin Netanyahu. We're talking about the international criminal court and the fact that they have a warrant out for this prime minister's arrest. And I think it's important to talk about the weight that that has as a charge. And also that as the mayor of New York City, I'll be following the laws of New York City. So there's a lot going on there. One of which is he sort of indicates that, well, I'm not going to write my own law. I'm not the orange Cheeto in the Oval Office.

Like, there's a little bit of, like, you know, I'm for decorum, which is something that I'm personally not interested in. But, Muhammad, what are your thoughts about this? What do you feel this promise means anymore? I mean, it's a complete, what he gave her is a complete non-answer. He's essentially saying, I won't arrest Netanyahu, but I can. can't arrest Netanyahu. And I have to consult the law. He's not, you know, finding a cure for pancreatic cancer.

It's not a conversation about quantum physics. He can look at Google, and Google will tell you that the U.S. is not a signatory to the room statue, meaning that he cannot arrest Netanyahu. Also, it's really hard to imagine Jessica Tisch, who was a rabid Zionist, putting on a Hamas scarf and going down to arrest Netanyahu. And also, foreign matters are federal matters. And Netanyahu has immunity as a sitting prime minister. all of these things are quite obvious and he knows them

and he's had over a year of making this promise to assess his ability to arrest Netanyahu. If he really wanted to make a change, if he really wanted to do something and take tangible action, he could go after settler organizations or Jewish charities that are tax exempt in the United States

that are funneling hundreds of millions of dollars into the settler movement into organizations like Ragavim that was started by Betzalz Mottrich, the finance minister, into organizations like the Israel Land Fund that was started by the deputy mayor of Jerusalem, Arya King, that are involved in the dispossession of my family in Sheikh Jarrah. There are tangible things he could do

by pushing and urging Letitia James, the attorney general, into taking action against these organizations, not small, obscure, irrelevant organizations like Bitar that are even unpopular to the likes of the ADL. He could do something serious, but I think what he's doing is he's towing the line. He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. And he's trying to remain to have a certain popularity.

And I really just want to urge people, my friends especially, who are like in his ear or who have volunteered and canvas for him and the hot sun. You know, we are not idol worshippers. This guy is in office. He won and he's a public servant and it is okay to say that he's bullshit. because what he just did in the interview is simply bullshitting. He said, I want to arrest Nathanielho, but I want to follow the law. But it sounds like what you're saying is he was bullshitting from the start.

Like he just did not have that, like that that promise was in a sense a kind of pandering to our constituency, to our demographic. It sounds good. It feels good. I feel like if he really wanted to an easier way to do it, you wouldn't have to change the law. You would have to rename the city. He said he belongs in the Hague. Just before he gets here, rename New York City the Hague. Isn't the Hague in the Netherlands?

It used to be New Amsterdam. That's right. New Hague. New Hague. You are. Here you are. New Hague. Yeah, I mean, I mean, it, I will not, I will not discount the significance of, like,

the discursive value of someone running for mayor, uh, making a pledge to, uh, arrest Netanyahu. It, it does something. But at the same time, this is the same guy who's like, like, has made slight tonal shifts as he progressed in the election. And after he won, he started doing complete entire concessions, you know. And it's okay. I think people get really frustrated because we are so desperate for a win.

And I understand. But there are two playing fields here. One, there is New York City. And he's doing the best in terms of him remaining in office and doing the best for New York City. But there's also the world. And the world is much bigger for New York City. And we have done so much work in the past three years to, render Israel a pariah state. And we cannot allow him in order for him to remain seated in his

position to lower the ceiling. You know, we cannot allow him to discourage globalized the intifada. We cannot allow him to say that he'd work with Zionists. We cannot allow him to say that he'd work with APEC-backed Democrats, you know. So if he's going back on this, on the most popular pledge he's made, which is arresting Netanyahu, that is crazy because even Chuck Schumer has an issue with Netanyahu. And so now you're backped. He needs to be, but again, people are so desperate and hungry to win something, and so they don't want to know that the guy that they've poured hours and hours of their life and dollars and dollars of their money into is lying. But it doesn't mean that we have to completely denounce Mam Dany or completely condemn him as a politician. But it's important to keep him on his toes.

He's a public servant. And again, also, when his constituency is demanding more of him, it gives him political cover. It gives him political cover when we're demanding more of him. He can go to Katie Hokel and to Letitia James and say, look, my base is threatening to abandon me if I don't do this. Right. Yeah. And I think you make a really good point about the fact that, like, we're focused on this idea of whether or not it is legal. to arrest Netanyahu, which is of course something that he never really addressed or took seriously while he was running.

It was something where he kept just saying, well, I'll look into the legality of it, but I believe he should be arrested, yada, yada. And you bring up a great point, which is like, look, if this is something that you are not going to fight for, this is something you're not going to do and you're just going to kind of give these sort of, you know, mealy-mouth excuses about why you can't. But I, oh, he's so lucky that, oh, if I could, I'd arrest that motherfucker. I hate him the most. I swear to God, I would do it. Like, well, then here is a list of other things you could do. Here are the organizations that are actively funding the genocide or complicit in it, complicit in land grabs, complicit in the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank.

Like, he could do other things. He's intimately aware of these organizations also because in August. of 2023 and throughout 2023, we worked on a campaign on a coalition called Not on Our Dime that was seeking to take away the tax-exempt status of these organizations. And Mam Dany himself introduced it as a bill in the State Assembly. So he's intimately aware of these organizations. He knows exactly who they are, their budgets, how much money they're sending. So it would be very easy for him to knock on Leticia James' door and say, hey, you need to go after

these guys. But what he did was Ham and Letitia James went after Bitar, which is an extremely niche, extremely unpopular organization, even inside Israel. Yes. I mean, they're so hated that we have multiple times covered people who are ops of this show who agree with us that Baitar sucks. Like Shai Davidae. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. When Shai Davidaei is relieved that you've been kicked out of New York City, you know, it's not exactly like you've landed.

a big fish. When he, I forget what the act was, the municipal act around protest zones, around synagogues. But I would, you know, look, I agree with you about his discursive value. He recently gave a talk at some uptown

function talking about what's the name of the Palestinian doctor who's jailed right now that ever... Hussam Abu Sofia. Right. So he spoke about Hussam Abu Sophia and he talked about Nelson Mandela and he talked

about how, you know, and he cited Omar Al-Aucat's book. One day everyone will have been against this. And, you know, it was a rousing speech with good radical analysis in it. But then you get to the thing around like, okay, what are you going to do about it? And the protest zones around synagogues who are hosting land sales, he said something like, I don't believe that illegal land sales. Everyone has the right to worship. He made it sound as a right to worship on the one hand.

He also said, I don't believe that illegal land sales have anything. any place in our houses of worship. Well, if that's the case, then why are you protecting the houses of worship as if worship is happening? You know what I'm saying? And what are you going to do about it? Like, doesn't it violate some law if in your city people are using that kind of institution to conduct illegal business?

And I just didn't hear from him any kind of serious will to like be like, no, fuck no, not on my, not on our dime, not on our turf. Also in the, in the Nelson Mandela speech, she said, you know, there are causes that are vilified in the present tense that are glorified in the past tense. But he himself called the Palestinian resistance terrorists, and he condemned students that are protesting or chanting for the intifada. He's doing double speak, you know, he's doing double speak while smising like Tire Banks, and no one is like, no one is questioning it.

Yeah, smising. It is true. He does smise. What is smising, young people? Smizing is like smiling with your eyes. It's an old thing. Come on. You got to, what was it?

Not Project Runway. Whatever. America's top model. Top model. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but, you know. He's a good smizer, I got to say. Yeah.

I mean, he's got a great smiths. I wonder what dentist he goes to for that smize. But, you know, it is, it's interesting because you do see, you do see. you see what kind of damage can be done by, I think, a politician who was able to, you know, sail into office on the backs of people, of the public sentiment about Israel. And the damage is significant. It's, you know, and I, like you say, I understand that people, you know, it's the sunk cost fallacy where you guys, like, I've already sunk so much into them.

I have to just, you know, back him. I need this, not just like, I need this emotionally to work out. But that's why I think it's important that he's pushed on these things because. Yeah. His main priority is reelection, which is what any politician's main priority would be. Mammany is a politician. So he's doing everything he needs to do to guarantee a re-election. And then when he's in his second term, his main priority will be to go to the Senate probably.

So it's extremely important for us to keep him on his toes. I think there is just like the way we approach sending people to elections is deeply flawed. We should weep that somebody in our movements is going to go and be an elected official. We should treat it as such a tragedy that we're like sacrificing. Yeah, we're sacrificing one of our own to go to the hill. But what we do is that we treat it as such an amazing party. We dance and we're like celebrating. It's crazy.

These people are going to be polluted. Yeah. These people will be polluted. You know, they'll be polluted by the system. And they need, like, he's hearing right now from 35 Obama advisors. You don't think he has a little warm and is here in his ear trying to get him to concede on certain things. We need to be tougher on public elected officials because they are public servants. Yes.

But, okay, but that's true. But there's this factor that I feel like you're not factoring in, which is he's so good looking. He's really hot. He's just so good looking and we stand and it feels so good to look at his smizing and like it just gives us that that hit, you know. I know. It's just hard to, it's just hard to moral principle and strong political conviction. It's hard to hold yourself to that when you're looking at such a fucking bay, you know?

Yeah, I don't know what to say to that. It's unfortunate because he, you know, is someone who I, think does deeply understand what can be done or what should be done at the very least. And I think he is going to make calculations behind the scenes, just like any elected official that at the end of the day, if you add them all up, will tend to be in favor of keeping the Zionist status quo. And, you know, I, of course, I always hope for better. And that's why people do need to push him. I feel like if ever there was a time where I could be wrong about my sort of negative feelings about electoral politics, it could be now.

You know, this is the one time where I do have at least a shred of optimism about it. But he, yeah, there are concrete things he could do that he should be pushed to do. and honestly no one should ever let go of him promising to arrest Netanyahu. That should be brought up to him all the time. Like, come on. Until there's a reasonable non-mealy-mouth explanation for it, we can't continue to accept this like, well, we're looking into it thing. Like, ask Grock.

I don't know what to tell you. Just be like, hey, Grock. I think it must be possible to enjoy what you said about the discursive value of this, the symbolic value, the representational value, and also, hell, you know, the good progressive policies that are going to get, the wins that are going to happen during this administration, you know, not take for granted that we've had Giuliani and Adams and Bloomberg and de Blasio. Now we got this guy and it's a step up in the lives and at the same time not get complacent, you know, to be able to hold both things at once.

Like, yeah, this is a relief, this is an opening, this is great, and now it's time to get back to work and keep the pressure on them from the people who got him there. And that's the thing I worry about, is that when people get proximate to the power that their own has, now they want to protect their proximity and their access, or it feels a little icky or untoward to demand more of somebody who is your friend or someone you admire.

Yeah, and he's not, by the way, he's not, like, like very susceptible to criticism or to feedback. You know, he says that he has, but he's not, I've been taking, myself, I've been taken off like the mailing list. I don't get invited to the press conferences anymore ever since I criticize him publicly. So lots of people are afraid, yeah, and there's lots of things that has happened behind the scenes

that I didn't talk about publicly. How he treated Susan. How he treated Susan was unconscionable. And so lots of people are afraid, lots of people are afraid that he would be vindictive and vengeful tourism. He's a very ruthless operator. I almost like admire that in a politician. Like I want the politician to be a ruthless operator,

but I just want him to do the right thing also. But I think lots of people think they have one chance, like one card with him and they don't want to burn it. But in his mind, he's, I don't know if Palestine is front of mind for him. And that's totally fine because you are the mayor of New York City, but then do not pander to us. about it. Because what happens is that our movements, our student movements, usually, it's these young activists that sacrifice so much of their time, so much of their career prospects to raise

the ceiling so that people like him can have room to become elected officials. And then as soon as they get elected, they lower the ceiling for us. And I find that deeply problematic and frankly, like insulting to the people who have sacrificed their careers for this to happen. Not just him. Like all these, I think all these other new DSA incoming people need to be held to account and need to be, you know, question. You are a public, again, it sucks. You're a public servant. But your whole life needs to be scrutinized.

I don't envy him. I don't envy him not one bit, and I don't want to be in his position. Not one bit. But you decided that this is the role you want. and these are the consequences of it. And we've seen, you know, someone can be Rashid Khaledi's friend and end up being an enemy of Palestine once they're in the ultimate power. Like, it doesn't matter what you know.

It doesn't matter where you start out. It doesn't matter even where your heart is. The question is, where is that ruthlessness going to take you? And what is it ultimately for? And who are you going to use your ruthlessness for and who are you going to use it against? Exactly. Where are you going to expend that political capital? And people, you know,

rise to power on thinking, well, certainly he's going to expend that capital on one of the many promises he made. And a lot of the times, I mean, you look at Obama and it's the ultimate example. That's why it always worries me that he's got however many Obama advisors around him in his ear. And Obama gave him a call. Obama himself gave him a call, which is a, I mean, that's a bad fucking call. Yeah, yeah. I don't want that call coming in if I'm trying to be a progressive, you know, Well, let's talking, speaking of students. Let me just say one other thing. I'm not going to, I'm not going to render a verdict on Zoron based on whether he does or doesn't arrest Netanyahu, because I never thought he was going to.

But if he doesn't, and he doesn't find some other creative way to signal that the guy's not welcome here, like there's a million things he could do. And including all the things that you're mentioning, Mohamed, going after the organizations that are. doing material damage on the ground. But I feel like, you know, at least hire some fucking pilots to fly a banner in the sky being like, fuck off you genocidal monster. Or, I don't know, get involved with some activist group organizing a protest. I don't know. Like, make special dispensations for the protest.

Show us that you remember that this guy shouldn't be welcome here. Even if you have to act like you have to swallow it because of the law or whatever, I'll be interested to know. because it would be an easy dodge from people like, oops, I can't do it because of the law and then do nothing else. Well, there's plenty of things you could do within the law. This is my prediction,

and I think it's the same thing as when the Israel Day Parade happened. I think he's going to end the same thing when the reinvestment in the Israeli bonds happened a few months back. What's going to happen is that there's going to be a press conference and he's going to step up to the podium. He's going to say, this is a deeply dark day for New York City

that a war criminal is parading the streets, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then Jessica Kattish is going to get up to the podium and say, I disagree with Mom Dani and Mr. Natanyahu is welcome here. And it's going to be that genocide is a matter of opinion and everybody goes home afterwards. And that is a deeply troubling idea to have. And I sincerely hope that I am wrong. But there is, I think, over $60 million a year that go from New York State and New York City to settlements. And I'd rather him do something about that.

Yeah. Yeah, same. So build the pressure on that to anyone who's out there organizing in New York and also don't just, you know, follow blindly. But you were talking about students, and that was a wonderful segue to this next topic. There are students, protest, student encampments all over the country. In 2024, it really reached a fever pitch. But I don't know if you guys know this, but there are some people. Jews and Zionists on campus who are being persecuted.

Persecuted for simply existing as Jews, as Zionists, as paid informants for groups like camera. And there is a wonderful new article that came out. This is an op-ed or I don't know what you call it, a column by Talley Smuss. A student at King's College. Smus. Smus. S-M-U-S. Yeah, that's Yiddish for Smut.

Is it? Well, she published some recently. I'm just kidding. You know, Shabbas, you know, base Israel. So Tally Smus. Yes, we smush. We smush do it. Yes.

Tally Smus, a student at King's College. She probably shouldn't brag because, dag she complained and admonish. Anyway, that was a Hamilton reference. Thank you. Anyway, the Telegraph recently published this op-ed about anti-Semitism that she experienced when she started attending King's College back in 2024, and I want to read it to you. And we'll just, we'll all just take a breath and hear another perspective.

Now, are you going to take this one? because it's English? No, I can't read in a British accent the whole time. It stands on its own without the accent. Okay, so I'll read. Tally Smus. Smus. What a name.

We're going to get stuck on smuss? We're never going to get through it if we're stuck on smus. Yeah. Palestinians have Samud. The Jews have Sumos. As a Jewish student at King College, I'm being persecuted for my beliefs. Mohamed like that one. For two years, fellow students have subjected me to a torrent of abuse.

I like the torrent abuse because I don't like to pay for it, you know? All right. You're going to have to finish sentences. A torrent of abuse because I do not hate Israel. Yes. Yes. Here we go. This is Talley.

A shav nick me tickets to see pulp at the O2, isn't it? That's too deep for me, Adam. All right. All right. When I started my English degree at King's College London nearly two years ago, I was hugely excited. I could not wait to meet like-minded people who loved literature as much as I did. I could almost do this in a non-cogny accent, I think. You don't have to.

But it was on my first day, September 24th, 2024, that I learned my lesson. Being Jewish is fine as long as you stand on the, quote, bright side of history. That's a fantastic first word that. That is an insane use of sarcastic quotes right there. Being Jewish is fine as long as you stand on the right side of history. As long as you believe in human rights. That's when I learned that being a human being is fine, as long as you don't advocate the murder of children.

Why are you using quotes on that? Oh, boy. I just said they have no self-awareness. This doesn't sound ridiculous to her. No. This sounds great to her. She said, this is a bar. Dude, all of these are bars to her, and it's crazy.

The lack of self-awareness in this article is, it kind of blew my mind. Yeah, speaking of no floor, there's no floor on, like, you talked about raising the ceiling. Like, she just keeps lowering the floor of self-awareness. After a fantastic first few hours, where I went to my introductory lectures, made tentative new friendships and arranged study sessions, I went on to my classes group chat. We were discussing a lecture series called the AKC assistantship of King's College, which was to focus on the Israel-Hamas conflict that term. When a description was posted,

the first response was, quote, finally, an attempt to educate the Zionists. She's saying she put sick there, the Latin, she means you're supposed to capitalize Zionist? Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, it's the internet. No one uses capital letters. Yes.

Okay, boomer. All right. Naive as I was, I asked what was meant by that statement and was met with, are we not all pro-Palestine here or what? The same person then added, I would assume to a degree that requires critical thinking, Zionism would be non-existent in our cohort. Co-cohort. Stunned by this, I tried to discuss our differing views and have a productive conversation, but I was met by a barrage of abuse as others in the chat, joined in. All of a sudden, it was almost 100 against one. What does that ratio remind me of? Nothing because I know nothing about the relative death tolls between Palestinians and Israelis. It was just something so unequal about the amount. Some called for me to be removed from the chat entirely. One asked whether there was a fucking Zionist in the chat. Another demanded, get them out. Electronic program.

Yeah, that's right, exactly. This is a digital ethnic cleansing. A third asked if I was real or computer generated. Okay, it's rude to ask a computer generated person that question. You have no right to ask that. Sorry, but just like, imagine

being, like, writing such basic, has Barra talking points in a group chat that people are like, are you real? Like, that just, that just gives you an insight into the type of shit she was saying in response to all these people, which, if we're being honest, this person 100% was arguing with them via chat GPT. I mean, let's be real.

Go back and look at the copy of her text and it'll be like, wow, it sure sounds like we have some differences of opinion. Would you like to engage in a good faith discussion of the merits of your view? Or are you just looking to hang out and just have a, you know, discussion? Yeah, yeah. I admire the conviction of your views. All right. Then things got even darker.

Another student said, Can't wait to see you tomorrow, Talley. Then asked someone else to, quote, come sort out the Zionist. As they say on the, what is that on the London underground? What is it on the metro? See it, say it, sort it. You know, if you see something say something, say something. Yeah.

Yeah. If you see something say something. Yeah. That's crazy. I love that she said things got even darker. I mean, imagine being under bombs. Yeah, right. If this is dark to her, what is airstrikes? Well, that's, you know, it's that sort of like cognitive dissonance.

It's that sort of tone deafness that makes this article so special. The other thing that makes it so special is trying to piece together what exactly was going on via out-of-context quotes from a group chat. So we've got stuff that says, like, get them out or, you know, like fucking Zionist, but we don't have the actual full transcripts. And I am interested to know, you know, exactly. as far as I could tell, I was looking up online to see if any of these transcripts had actually been released in full, and they have not. But I have a feeling that these out-of-context quotes are not all that she's making them out to be. Citation is needed. Betraying a degree of self-awareness.

Oh, really? Which I could only be envious. Self-awareness mentioned. Yeah. Really. I've always wanted some of that. One of them said, if this is bullying, call me the mayor of bully town. That's actually really good.

I think the target audience of this article is like moms, you know, because this is appalling to moms and dads. This is really funny to us, but I think she doesn't have us in mind because this sounds really horrific to parents of young students. But to me, it sounds really funny. Yes, to her parents specifically. She goes to school with all of Thomas Friedman's cab drivers next to a hipster leftist coffee shop. Yes, that's right. I just want to pledge right here on this podcast that if I am ever elected the mayor of Bullytown. I will arrest Netanyahu.

I will have this woman bullied by children for the rest of her life. Yes. Then they asked, are they going to suspend the whole year minus Talley? So there I was, an 18-year-old on my first day of university, crying on my bed. I could not understand. Hey, I cried my first night at university. I was homesick. I had taken the red eye to McGill.

I had gone and signed up for a psychology. And I cried. She was also homesick, but that home was a spiritual home in Israel. She was homeland sick. Yeah, that's right. Mohammed, you can't possibly imagine what it's like to miss, you know, where you're from and to not be able to... No.

Yeah, you can't relate to that. I could not understand what I had done to deserve such hatred. The answer, of course, is nothing. I could not understand. The answer, of course, was nothing. I love the absolute refusal for any self-awareness at all. And also there's no chance she's going to do a rhetorical question because she knows the answer would be something else.

I could not understand and I would not understand. Yeah. I mean, usually like at this point someone would list things that could, you know, theoretically possibly be something that could explain it. But instead, she's just like, well, I'm not even going to fake self-reflect on this article. I did nothing wrong. And also look, I'm not, when it comes to, you know, bullying people with. with, you know, even retrograde beliefs. I think you can make a case that that's not great or it's not effective.

Like there's better ways, you know, and first day of... But the thing is, what kind of upbringing do you have to have had to arrive as an 18-year-old at university, never having encountered these views, being just blithely oblivious, and then suddenly being thrust into this thing, like the faux innocence of this. I was only 18 years out, you know?

like you were clearly sheltered, and part of what happens when you go to university is you get a sense of the larger world. You encounter people you won't have encountered. And to someone like that, the fragility is going to make them experience everything as an assault. I also think it's really important for you and anyone listening to this to greet the words in this article

with extreme skepticism and also giant cranes of salt. Beyond it didn't happen, But it's to the point where this, the situation that she is describing is one way to look at a situation in which you show up to college and people are talking about Israel, Palestine. And your response to that is to blithely go, like, actually, no, I disagree with you. There's no genocide going on. Everything you said is wrong. You are all victims of Iranian propaganda or whatnot. And then people going, you're insane.

Are you real? And her framing it completely out of context as her being the victim. And that I think is a fair way of looking at it being that we're going to get into a lot of her known associations. Right. She's not just an innocent small bean freshman. No, she's not. It turns out. But even if she was, I would still.

say, where are you coming from that this shocked you so much? And welcome to the real world. All right. University is meant to be a place of learning, a free expression, of understanding. But after less than 24 hours at Kings, these values were nowhere to be seen. I was scared, scared of what the next day my second in higher education would bring. But I kept quiet. I had my brother take me from home to class to wait for me and to stay with me so I could feel a modicum, modicum modicum of safety from then on most of my classmates acted as if i wasn't there for the next couple of weeks that became my new normal you were disappeared you were made into a non-entity and other wow on october seventh to her twenty twenty four the first anniversary of

hamas's horrifying attack on israel what is the what is the hyperlink to a calendar that proves that October 7th, 2024 was the first anniversary of October 7, 2023? It's actually just a video of her saying, horrifying attack on Israel, and that's it. Yeah, right, that's the citation. Activist students planned a pro-Palestine walkout to mock, quote, one year of genocide, end quote.

The fact that 1,200 innocent Israelis were murdered on that day, no, they weren't. Sorry, but again, we're putting, quotes around one year of genocide, but not around 1,200 innocent Israelis. Well, you could put quotes around all three of those words together, or you could put quotes around them individually. Right. 1,200. Yeah.

Innocent. And then in the style of Ali Abunima, Israelis. Yes, yes. We're murdered. Murdered. Yeah. On that day. Yeah.

Yes. I am all for freedom of speech and the right to protest. These values are what have made the university experience so special for generations. No, kegars are what have made the university experience so special for generations. Tali. But there is a time and a place. The staging of such an inflammatory protest a year on from the Hamas attacks was something I could not understand. Really?

No, you couldn't understand why people were choosing that date to commemorate. and draw attention to the ongoing genocide that you feel the need to put in quotes. Yes, you could. Yes, you could. Stop lying. This is, this sounds like ridiculous shit to us, but I must say this is like a really well-engineered piece for its target audience. I bet you there was like a firm of people writing it, like at some fucking organization. Because the way it's framed, it's like there is some, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Israeli.

global language dictionary that was written in 2009 by a marketing firm with the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs. But essentially, like, the way they talk to the public, it's like, oh, I'm against all civilian deaths, but war is unfair and people die. Or, oh, and she's doing the same thing. We're like, I'm, yeah, but there's a time and place. And I think that, like, for the reasonable person, the ignorant person, but reasonable, but ignorant is going to be like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

And this is the feigning of ignorance of like, I could not understand. Why are they doing this to me? Blah, blah, blah. That's also very well engineered because today the image of Israel in the world is like of a domineering extremely aggressive entity. And so the Zionists need to return to like an early rendering of the Jew of like the Jew that is afraid of everybody going to murder them and blah, blah, blah. And I think it's quite smart, but I think people are overt, quite frankly.

Yes. See, that's the thing is they've been, you know, when I say they, I mean pro-Israel advocacy groups and Hasbara, you know, creators essentially have counted on the fact that they've been able to sort of divert everyone's attention. away from whatever humanitarian crisis is being caused by Israel towards the feelings of Jewish students or Jewish communities writ large based on the idea that people care more about the feelings of Jewish people than they do about a conflict, however many thousand miles away from them. The problem is at this point, people, it's not, no longer,

do they not believe these, you know, accusations of anti-Semitism. But even if they're real, a lot of people are like, I don't care because you guys are so annoying when you complain about this stuff that, honestly, I think you deserve it, which is, to me, not a problem if you are someone who actually is actively doing this kind of annoying, kvetching, constantly centering yourself while people are being genocide in your name. But if you're not one of those people and you are bearing the brunt of it where you can't say you had a legitimate experience of anti-Semitism, then that's overall just bad for their purported cause of anti-Semitism.

You know, people who say their whole existence professionally is to say how much they are deeply concerned about anti-Semitism. And it's like, it clearly isn't. You don't actually give a shit about it. You just profit off of it. You just, your whole thing is centering it for the sake of Israel and not for the safety of Jewish. You don't care about the safety of Jewish people at all. So stop pretending.

You know what I mean? That's also note that this statement, there is a time and a place for the freedom of speech and right to protest that I am allegedly for is a nonsensical statement. If you're for freedom of speech and the right to protest, then the time is any time and the place is anywhere within the bounds of the law. Right. Okay. That's what freedom. And also, you know, when you hear a Brit or any European say, I am for freedom of speech and the right to protest.

There's always a butt afterwards. There's always a butt, you know. For many Americans, there is two. But at least enshrined in American law is an actual radical understanding of what freedom of expression should be. As the activists, go ahead. Go ahead. I actually had a real experience with this. I think it was in 2024, like December of 2024,

I had spoken at a march in London. And during my speech, I misspoke. I was saying we should not normalize murder, we should not normalize blah, blah, blah, and I said on accident, we should normalize massacres. And that part of the speech was clipped. And it was like all over the news in the UK and all these like politicians were like tweeting about it.

and blah blah blah. And I thought I was in the U.S. still. I still believed in the First Amendment. I thought it still applied. So the Metropolitan Police were like, we're looking for this individual. So I responded to the Metropolitan Police on Twitter and I said, I'm busy. Can you call me later? And it was a huge thing. And I was just like mocking them for a week on Twitter because I thought, like, I was protected. I thought it was protected speech. And then I finally, like, I'm finally fully getting interrogated. And the lawyer tells me it doesn't fucking matter what you say. It's how what you say is interpreted. So there is no such thing as freedom of speech in British law.

Really, he told me, I could walk down the street with a Palestinian flag. That's fine. But if I walk down a Jewish neighborhood with a Palestinian flag, that could constitute a hate crime. And that's mind-boggling for a country that claims to be like a democratic beacon. Right. Liberal society or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that is absolutely wild. It actually explains a lot of why, you know, people were getting arrested even with, like,

Plasticine action shirts on because it was like, well, technically, no, it doesn't say Palestine action. But I guess they're like, well, we interpret it as such. Have any Palestinians ever brought hate speech claims against Jews for waving the Israeli flag? I think we're too busy being slaughtered. Yeah, that's right. It's got a lot of things on the plate. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, we should, I think about this often. Like, we really get subjected to such a torrent of abuse to quote our fabulous author here. We get subjected to so much Islamophobia on a daily basis. But I think we've kind of, like, sorry to say, but we have, like, thick skin. Like, I think it's within the right of my enemy to hate me because we are literally enemies and we are at war and you could, like, hate me and have bad ideas about me. I don't give a shit. Just don't touch me.

And they, even that, they're not allowing us. They're not even allowing us to have bad sentiments about them. We have to go to court for like saying something negative about the Zionists. It's nuts. If we, if we spent like one minute on each Islamophobic or anti-Palestinian remark being told to us on an individual level, we would be here for years and years and years. They need to have a thicker skin. It's like, it's really, it's like you can't be both the state with the nuclear arsenal and like, and also like, oh my God, everybody wants to kill me. You can't have both things at once.

Right. I mean, it's, I think there is no more, I guess, sort of obvious indicator about where exactly the threat actually lies for if you, between two peoples, like let's say Jewish people in the West and Muslim people or specifically Palestinian people in the West, then how thick or thin your skin is. If you are writing an entire article about just the anti-Semitism you experienced going to college and finding out that people are not fans of Israel and you are getting literally an article in the telegraph, that is an example of you having the thinest skin. And the fact that you're published in the telegraph says to me that that thin skinnedness is, you know, is backed. It's backed by our institutions. It's backed by the West. You are allowed to be thin skin, so they're going to be thin skin. It means that they're insulated from the acts of anti-Semitism that...

Just figured something out, you guys. I just realized something quite macabre and horrible. What? I just figured out why Israel has to have that skin bank. Oh, shit. So get thicker skin. Get thicker skin. Holy day.

Well, then it's excuse then. Yes. One day we'll stitch it all together, make a skin quilt for ourselves, and we won't be so fucking hypersensitive. Very sorry about that one, but I needed to find a way to cut in and keep reading this article because we have to take a break soon. All right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please. As the activists went about their business, I stood with fellow Jewish students and others in opposition to their hate-fueled spectacle. What followed nearly broke me. Kate Turner. Okay, great.

My phone was blowing up with messages in the English cohort group chat. Bitch, get down. One demanded. One said, move, bitch. Get out the way. Get out the way, bitch. Get out the way.

Sit down. Were you standing in their line of sight? Another told me to get off the pedestal. A third said, said, the Zionists are actually everywhere. Then they attacked my character with one student saying, I wish Talley would stop, not going to lie. She's so pretentious, artificial, and downright disrespectful.

Okay, so at this point. That's mean. That's mean. You've got to start reading these particular quotes. And it's painting a picture, but you're not exactly sure what it is. Because you're just like, wait, stop what? I wish Talley would stop what. Bitch get down.

Get down off of what? What are we talking about? She's on a tank. She's on a tank and they're kidnapping her from the tank. But then she includes this next quote and you get the full picture of what exactly was going on. Yeah. But this abuse was not enough for the haters. They wanted me to be kicked off our course, too.

One said, if you. If she interrupts the lecture again tomorrow, she should be thrown out. This prompted another student to add, as a group, we should just band together and carry her out at that point. Yes. Yeah. So she is literally in class just getting up and interrupting the lecture over and over again. But I thought there was a time and place. Right.

Apparently this is her time and place. and it's whenever a lecturer is talking about Israel and Palestine. Cool. Yeah, just I love the sort of hinting at what is happening here. Like, bitch, get down. Oh, they're just talking about a student who will not stop standing up and yelling at the teacher for talking about the existence of Palestinian. Hey, man, God promised her that airtime 3,000 years ago. That's right.

From then on, most other students ignored me in person, but talked to them. about me openly. I left most of my classes and tears. The silence was deafening. I bet you leave most of your grocery shopping excursions in tears. I feel like tears is just, all right. The silence was deafening. That kind of isolation I wouldn't wish on anyone. Yeah. Solitary confinement, right? That's right. Nearly two years on, I'm still isolated at this prestigious and historic place of learning, all because I'm a proud Jew who does not hate Israel. My reports... Not hate Israel is doing a little bit of twisting.

Do you not hate it? Is it beyond not hate? What do you call it? I know Jews who don't hate Israel because they don't want to think about it. Like they've opted out of thinking about this shit. Right. This is not that. But they are not the kinds of Jews who are standing up and interrupting every single university course to argue in favor of what Israel does.

Yes. I just like, I'm a proud Jew and I don't hate Israel. And it's like, yeah. I also don't hate my daughter. I love my daughter, in fact, but I am allowed to say that. You know what I mean? My reports to the university authorities about the abuse I have faced have come to nothing. They opened and then closed an investigation without telling me what action, if any, had been taken.

When they were informed about this article, they finally did give some clarity. But their statement is, in my view, full of empty words. and I should know a thing or two about being full of empty words. A spokesman told the telegraph, quote, following a... Let's do this one in a Cockney accent, Matt. Following a thorough and fair investigation

into this incident, yeah, which were likely to the messages sent in the forum that was separate to the university and not exclusive to King's students, we did not for evidence that these messages constituted a breach of our policies

that warranted individual misconduct for say things, yeah? However, we acknowledge, yeah, in it, the hopeful nature of the messages and reminded our students at the university conduct policies and charter on maintaining an inclusive and respectful environment provided ongoing well-being support for the student who raised a complaint and encouraged you affect your students to report any further incidents to us. I know all for her having some well-being support.

Dude, I mean... We should grant her a Patreon subscription for a... year to this podcast. It would help her well-being. I think it would. Oh my God. She reported it to the police? Yes. Yes. She reported it to the Metropolitan Police. Yes. Yeah. Who have told her that they have not been able to identify any messages, which would be able to prove any offenses such as racially aggravated, motivated, harassment, alarm, or distress. I mean, if she had a single message that said

dirty Jewess or something, she would have put it at the top of this article. She doesn't She doesn't even have it to, she doesn't even have a lead to Barry. No, exactly. And like, I just, England is really not known as a place right now or for the last three years where you could get away with doing pro-Palestine speech, especially written speech in a group chat, and not be in some way legally harassed by the police. Much less explicitly, frankly, anti-Jewish speech. Yes. Not in a million years. Both the police and the university.

And I'm sorry, once again, are we led to believe, are we supposed to believe that both the London metropolitan bobbies and the fucking King's College administrators are famously pro-Palestine? No, man. They would have had Scotland Yarmica all over that thing. Wow. Wow. A bit of a stretch. It worked. The truth is that I have changed as a person.

Yes, I am prouder than ever about my identity and will say so loudly. But that silence, that pain, it's with me every day, haunting my every move. She's Anne Frank now. That's right. That's right, exactly. The silence, and I have to remain silent, hiding. In this closet. Yeah, in the attic.

Away from everyone. Oh, my God. Yeah. When I do try to create new relationship, plural, that split second thought of, quote, should I tell them, comes into my head. No one deserves that. Oh, my God. Should I tell them that I'm into genocides or what?

Yeah. I know. It's a hard thing to come out about, yeah. I need to sit you down and tell you something. I need to finally come out of the closet. I love slaughtering kids. I love to slaughter kids. It's good and I think we should do more.

There must be an app for that. Yeah. Like G-date. Genocide date, you know. You can meet people who are a fellow like-minded, you know? Actually, there is, and we'll get to that in a second. Okay, great. The ADL forum, maybe.

Yeah, exactly. Universities preach the importance of talking about mental health, but then in my case and others do nothing or very little when you are the victim of pure hatred by your classmates. If you have that hatred purity tested in the lab, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Seems a little stepped on to me. I went to 23 in me and I found out I was 99.9% pure hatred.

No matter your political beliefs, no person should be told their identity is wrong, that their beliefs don't matter, that they aren't welcome. Would that apply to Nazis? This is my question all the time. Would this apply to Nazis? When Zohran Mamdani says, even Zionists are welcome in my camp, but would that apply to Nazis? No one ever says that. Like, okay, I'm okay with this kind of liberal framework to say everybody.

If that applies to Nazi students, be my guess. But it doesn't because they think they're exceptional and their suffering is exceptional. And no one else's pain matters. And this whole, like also when like, you know, some progressive Jewish organizations do have this thing. Like, when they say, like, oh, you shouldn't ostracize Zionists and you should like try to meet Zionists where they are and blah, blah, blah. I could, I could, you know, fall prey to that rhetoric. I could, I could accept and submit to that rhetoric. But I ask them, would that apply to Nazis?

Would you have the same patience and grace for a Nazi? And the answer is always no, and it should always be no. Because racism should not be excused. Yes, yes. And this is, yeah, I mean, this is a subject we talk about all the time on here is the, uh, the, the way that that only applies to Zionists specifically, you know, where they'll just be like, listen, we have to, you know, try to, you know, work with what we have and this, that, and the other. And then as soon as there are right-wing Nazis who may be anti-Israel as well, that's beyond the pale.

And it's like, okay, so if that's beyond the pale, how is pro-Nazi? pro-Israel people not be on the pale. It doesn't make sense. You can't have one that's like, no, this is a hard red line and the other isn't. You're either going to be consistent about it or you aren't. I just, you know, it's a question of exceptionalism. It's a question of they are, there's a particular belief that there, that the Nazism of Zionism is, is normal enough to be where you can kind of let it go where you can kind of just go well

what are you going to do just how it is sometimes and then they start doing Hezbarra as to why actually it's different and you know well you know this is a more complicated thing and you'll see that from people who describe themselves as anti-Zionists

will do that shit you know he was careful though to qualify what she said she said no matter your political beliefs no person should be told there identity is wrong, et cetera. She's had no person. She's limited to what she's saying, she's only talking about persons, about people, about human beings. That's clever. Okay. And she gets maybe to define who those people are. People often talk about students, students affected by anti-Jewish hatred. But we are not just students. We are people,

young, impressionable, emotional people, but statistics are easier to stomach, so institutions keep us nameless. I am a Jewish student at King's College, London, and I refuse to remain a statistic. The anti-Jewish hatred I faced will not remain a statistic. My reality will not become a side note in a report that is glanced at and forgotten.

Thank you. Tally Smus is a second-year English student at King's College, London. She might want to change, She might want to change majors. Yeah, I mean, I would consider maybe literature. Like she should go into communications. Yeah, yeah, right.

She'd go into communications for a genocidal apartheid state. Or maybe she can get like an athletic scholarship in the Victim Olympics. Sure, sure. The last bit was especially insulting, you know, because that's our rhetorical device. You know, we are not numbers, we are not statistics, blah, blah, blah. It's about martyrs and people being killed, and it's extremely insulting that you're applying it to you being a bitch-ass basically. Yeah, a pansy when it comes to... But she's not a nameless, fameless bitch-ass.

She's... Well, right. She has a name. That's right. Notorious pussy ass. Yes, and it's important to note that, like, this whole narrative around her is, like, sort of... invented for the sake of, you know, framing this as anti-Semitism because she needs to lean on her Jewish identity being the one that's being,

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How you doing, Muhammad? I'm great. It's good to be with you guys. Is this the only podcast in which when you're introduced, it feels like professional wrestling? Yes. I'm very grateful for that. Has Amy Goodman ever been like, it's time for Muhammad El-Gert? No?

No, but you know, it's incredibly hard to be interviewed by Amy Goodman because she has really, like, you're sitting in front of her and she has really kind eyes. And she's like nodding in distress when you're telling her a story and you just want to be like, no, I'm sorry, it's okay. Like, I can handle it. It's really distracted. It's really distracted.

I love that. Muhammad El Curd, talk about being a badass motherfucker. Yeah. I love that. You're just like, it's really hard to be interviewed by you. to tell you my full story, but I don't want to break your heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amy, it's okay. It's not that bad.

So while we're on break, you were beginning and tell a story by the time you were speaking at Duke. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if this is a fun story, but yeah, I was invited to give a lecture at Duke University because I'm a lecturer. And, you know, there was one particular student who constantly wrote articles about like, I can't believe a terrorist is coming to campus. I can't believe it there. I can't sleep. And there were, like, giving out posters about me when the lecture started. So when I got on the podium, I pulled out, I think in maybe 10 years I went to find this story cringy, but now I think it's very funny.

So I pulled out a podium. Sorry, I pulled out a miniature violin that I had purchased online. I started playing it. I have a photo of it. I'll send it you. I read her an article and I started playing the miniature violin. And then the Times of Israel obviously had spies in the audience, so they reported on it. And in the report, they said he pretended to get out a miniature violin. And I find that incredibly offensive because I went to the lengths of purchasing a miniature.

It was not a pretend. But it was such a big haul she could not see from far away. Oh, that is, I love that where you got caught up. Because they probably also accused that of being a lot. anti-Semitic act. Like, you know, not like Itzach Perlman, Holocaust survivor violinist. He mocked him with his little violin. No, but they also said you faked it, which...

Were you playing a klezmer number sarcastically or something? I can't remember if we had, like, a tape or whatever, but I always have... When I was younger, I had more of this. Like, if I had a heckler, I would start playing a circus, circus music, you know? But I don't get invited to universities anymore. Yeah. I love that. You just built up an entire, like, prop comedy war chest for any case someone fucks with you.

Politics is boring. You have to be entertained. You have to keep people entertained. A hundred percent. That's how we roll around here for sure. Hence your podcast. Hence our stupid-ass podcast. So continuing just to talk about Tali,

the, you know, interesting thing about this article is it came out a few days ago. It was like July 17, 2026. But this story has been around forever. Or what I mean by that is she has been telling this exact same story for a while. And of course, because of that, people were able to sort of like look into what she does. And what she does is... You mean they docks her, Matt? They doxter?

Yes, yes. It's a doxing. It's a doxing when you... Put your name. Make claims about yourself and they do be bummed. Yes, your first and last name in the telegraph. But yeah, so first of all, just, you know, this claim of like, I, you know, I'm just a proud Jew who, you know, who doesn't hate Israel. So this is her, you know, Instagram page.

The British Zionist. The British Zionist is the name of her account. So that's first and foremost something to notice. And would you be shocked to learn that she wasn't just some random student who was merely trying to get an education when she was quite Britishly attacked by her fellow students on a group chat? But rather, the chapter president of the students supporting Israel chapter in November, 2024, of King's College. So she, of course, Zinus in college. So she arrived and became president? Yes.

Well, listen, listen. Was she appointed? That's crazy that the telegraph did not disclose that from a journalistic point of you. You'd think. You'd think. It's crazy. Yes. Yeah.

And the, I don't know when she became president. She is currently the president of the chapter. But she started. It said November 24 to present. That's what it just said. That's what it says. And she would have started her schooling in September 2024. If she's currently a second year student, she would have been a.

freshman in the 2024-2020-25 school year. That's right. It sounds like she founded the chapter herself. Exactly. She founded the second British chapter of SSI at King's College London. That's a student supporting Israel. She's also been a fellow at the Union of Jewish Students in the UK in Ireland, September 20.

Listen, this is from her LinkedIn. And what I do love about young professional Zionists in college is they can. cannot stop themselves from posting on LinkedIn. They love being like, well, just because I'm, you know, doing a pro-Israel op doesn't mean that I can't have a really, you know, nice CV. You know, I'm not, I'm not a spy. Well, of course. Why else would they be doing a pro-Israel op except to increase their future prospects?

Right. And their connections. This is a, this is a, you know, she's getting in. Right. She's not running. You know, to them, this is not, you know, them advocating for a genocidal foreign country. This is, you know, an act of whatever patriotism akin to like, you know, this is me.

I worked on the John McCain campaign in 2008 or whatever the fuck, you know. Like, this is the same thing to them because they see them as... It's a smart career move too. It is a smart career move. Because she also, she worked at, she did a nearly year-long fellowship for the pro-year-long fellowship for the pro-Israel org camera, which is the committee for accuracy in Middle East reporting and analysis.

And here is a video of her talking about that fellowship. So what is camera? Camera is the Committee for Accuracy in Middle Eastern reporting and analysis. In practicality, this means they are monitoring the newspapers, the news outlets around the world

and correcting them when they commit. anti-Semitic libel or false narratives and biases. Literally, they go through the New York Times and other newspapers as well and just they have a paid staff of people who are going through stories to try to get the New York Times to print retractions. That is their entire organization. It is supported by like 65,000 donations. It is a wild organization. We covered it in an early. episode. And Joe Kahn, who is the, I think the, what is it? Editor-in-Chief of New York Times, his father was on the board of camera. That's right. That's an important piece of information.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. But what does that mean for students? Camera has a fellowship where they educate students how to fight misinformation and disinformation on campus. The Boston Conference, which all fellows are taken to, is an incredible experience to meet so many new students and great connections across the world. Camera Conference 2025! It gives you opportunities to invite amazing speakers onto campus, have support from around the world. Placred said Zionist and proud, by the way. Yes, it did.

And get your writing published in many different places. Like the telegraph, huh? Yeah. And get your writing published. So crazy. That's crazy, though. So if you're ready to find misinformation and disinformation on campus, join Camera Fellowship.

And sign up now. You can find the application on camera on campus. We should apply. This is so crazy. I want to fight misinformation, disinformation is so bad. This is so crazy. Yeah. This fellowship is, you know, it's kind of, they have a website that, of course, she led us to there.

And this is just some of what they offer. So this is Camera UK, Camera on Campus, UK, adheres to Camera's course. values, an unwavering belief in Zionism in the cause of Israel, the absolute necessity of truth-telling about Israel and confronting falsehoods at every turn. They, the need to speak the truth publicly with knowledge and confidence. And this is a little bit more information. It is a prestigious, this is about the fellowship. It is a prestigious selective one-year program.

fellows are campus leaders dedicated to promoting accurate information about Israel among students, academics, and the media. Students from the UK, North America, and Israel are chosen based on their deep understanding of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Wow. Israel's history and... Deep understanding of the most shallow and inaccurate rendering of the thing we're talking about. Yeah.

And Israel's history and current affairs. campus activism experience and a portfolio of published work, UK fellows receive a stipend of 750 pounds upon successful completion. Wow, I've heard about the camera adding several pounds, but never 750 of them. Does that mean upon successful completion, does that mean that you might not get it if you're not successful? That sounds stingy. Yeah, I know.

It was like, guys, please don't. Please don't. Let's say for the sake, Zionist someone out of that $750. Like, come on, man. They could pay more also. They could pay more. They have more money. That's low-balling.

I don't fully understand how $750 is a stipend for a whole year's worth of fellowship activities. But whatever, you know, there's students. If you're just in the attic for the whole year, you don't really need to spend it. That's a good point. You don't need all that money if you have to pretend to hide. I can never fully complete when there's money on the line. I just like the pressure is too much. That's right.

Yeah. As soon as the camera's on, I can't finish. As soon as the camera's on, I can't finish, you know? Wow. So there's three tracks and they all start off with this first dot here, which is regularly monitor campus media classrooms slash professors and anti-Israel events. Be a snitch. Yeah, I love the just openly snitch-pilled, publish three articles, host three events, you know, so these are the things that they want you to do, you know, and you will be tasked to do as part of the fellowship that she joined. Now, before she started that fellowship, I believe, and I'll consult her LinkedIn to see. Yes, August 2025 is when she was a fellow. So at the time that she was,

was, you know, a fellow at camera. She made this video that I just need to show you guys, because it is sort of a metaphor. It's at King's College. She projected a video of herself onto the physical building. And here's some of that. My name is Tully, and I'm a jukegon. This is for an oracle.

what does it say? It says campaign against anti-Semitism. This is a British, you know, organization. At King's College London. I am up here to talk about the anti-Semitism that I and countless others. I'm up here. It's like knowing you're going to project it. It's very funny.

This takes Zionist projection to a whole new level. That's funny. They're always projecting themselves onto other people's buildings. That's right. Oh, God. In a lot of ways. In a lot of ways, yeah. Yes.

In a lot of ways. Yeah, I'm up here projecting my problems onto all y'all. Also, the layout of the windows makes it look like her head is separate from the body. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's a problem of placement. That's her problem. It's not ours. I began my university journey.

Wait, oh, you up there. She's down here, guys. I'm everywhere. I'm sorry, is she the only one standing in the crowd watching herself on the building? Yes, she is literally standing watching herself being projected onto the building. This is bad for mental health. This is not good for mental health. This definitely isn't good.

If it's not good to look on your phone at yourself all this long, think about looking it on a building. Come on, man. Chip of King's College Lecture Series on the Middle East. My coursemates made comments about the lectures being an attempt to educate the Zionist. I calmly asked them why they thought that. And they proceeded with an inquisition. Oh, like a Spanish one.

This is going to be the article all over again. Yes, that's exactly what this is, Muhammad Elkhart. This is the article all over again. It just didn't stick. So they're like, fuck it, right? We'll do it several months later in the telegraph. This article came out in July this year. This video came out in September of last year.

So, and also, by the way, for those watching, you are seeing text messages from a group chat. This is not real. This is a recreation of just the select quotes that you used in the article. Everyone here not pro-Palestine or what, they said. Or what? And I would assume in a degree that requires critical thinking, Zionism would be non-existent in our cohorts. One added, when I tried to discuss our differing views in the chat, I was dismissed with

accusations like, you're indoctrinated. You work for camera. outnumbered here. I'm sorry, but those two accusations are just the facts. You are indoctrinated. Yeah, that's weird that you'd want to publicly post that.

This went on for over two hours, leaving me in tears and fearful for the next day. Most of my classmates decided to ignore me from them on, and I felt a sense of hostility in the air. I don't know if you guys... Oh, my God.

She's the gray sheep. There's a still cartoon of her being the odd one out you know, it's like a sad stick figure type thing. And I felt a sense of hostility. And the sense of hostility is squiggly lines over her cartoon. Can I just say, can I just say something? Please, please.

This is like, I think us and the Zionists can learn something from each other. Sure. We have, like journalists, we have such a hard time getting Palestinian prisoners to disclose abuses that have happened to them. That's true. because the Palestinian prisoners do not want to appear weak. We're talking about people who have been raped, sexually assaulted, beaten every single day, who have had scabies and not being treated for it.

We have to beg them to disclose or even to tell their family that they have been abused. And they want to retain, like, I think it's an extreme that we should work against. But they want to disclose this, like, image of, you know, dignity and self-respect. And on the other spectrum, you have this complete pussy ass who is just like, Oh my God, they texted me. I mean text. Let me make a three minute video about it. It's really unfathomable. You know, like, can you, do you, like, what about when you have to go home and look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, am I a fucking pussy? Like, yes. I mean, that's the thing.

You know, a lot of the times, as you were saying, it's like people won't disclose exactly what has happened or, or who it happened to because they want to maintain dignity or they don't want to lower morale. Like, hey guys, Zionists, dignity, morale, these are all things you should be thinking about. I don't mean to give you free advice.

Zionism means never having to say you're a sorry excuse for a movie. Oh my God. More like cryingism. Does they always be crying? Did anyone ever done that? No, but it's a great. It's a great. Matt leave original.

No, five minutes into the conversation. She advised me. This is her wellness advisor, by the way. That it might be helpful for me to try to understand why the other students are behaving this way towards me. This was the advisor who I was supposed to turn to and did turn to. No, but it would be helpful. Please, you should, please be curious. I beg you.

For help. We put the contents of this video from college land into comments. This is what they said. We are in contact with a student who has some. So this is what we read earlier. the exact same thing, which is like, hey, we found nothing, nothing illegal, and we'll literally, there's no place for racism here,

and we take this very seriously, and this is all investigated with our robust policies and procedures. And my favorite part is right after all of this like stuff, like, we take this very seriously, and we'll do anything to help her, including giving her a wellness advisor. She says this. She says this.

In mind with our robust policies and procedures. Jewish students in Britain deserve better than this. How? Deserve better than... What could you... More could you possibly want? They investigated a group chat like it was the fucking clan rally.

And it was... They found nothing. They deserve better than what? Being like, not you getting your way? That's what... They deserve to have, you know, Kings College and Oxbridge impose an administrative detention policy.

for any student who's accused or suspected of sending a not-so-nice, not-so-genial text to a genocide air. Yes, that's right. The administrative detention policy is when you arrest the administrators for not fully enforcing their anti-Semitism laws. Yeah, very good. Incredible. This must be the moment that the country wakes up. Yeah, I agree with you. But anyways, that is Tally.

Tally Smoose or Smus or whatever. I'm not sure how to pronounce it all I know is Talley. You did a little bit of tattletailing on yourself. You tally told on yourself here. And it just really goes to show that you can, you really, there are incentives for these young people in college who want to be things like writers or journal. or whatnot, while also holding on to their deeply indoctrinated beliefs about how Zionism is good

and how Israel belongs to them. And there's a bunch of, you know, incentives for it. I am so regretful that her last name isn't Stein. Why? Tally Stein? Oh. Callie Stein, yeah, because then we could we could hope that someone can free, free Tallystein. Free free Tallystein. Yeah. It's too bad that her name isn't that. Otherwise, you would have a pun.

Yeah. God, it is too bad. Anyway, so Talley, we wish you all the best with your legal battles against the entire student body. And your quest for mental wellness. Yes, at King's College. Before we get out of here, maybe we'll just, maybe just do a little half, a little half piece of content that I just want to, want to show.

This was an AI video. Have you guys seen this? There was an AI video during the World Cup that was a campaign ad against James Fishback. Who's like this right-wing, you know, guy who's running for, I believe, Congress? And it was made entirely with AI, and so I figure, hey, since we haven't had one of these in a while, let's do, I'm Israel AI. Picture of a lion with an Israeli flag. And a picture of Hamas as an octopus or a bus. I'm Israel, aye. I'm Israel. I'm Israel. Hey, hi.

Israel. Hey, hi. I love that bumper more than I love anything in the world. But here is a video of James Fishback, or not of him, but of his, whatever his opposition campaign is doing. So this is, this was at a, I think this was during the halftime show, if there is a half time show, if there is a halftime show at the World Cup. This was during that.

Here you go. What the freak did we just witness? So far, I've only been able to find this video of someone taping it off their TV. Yeah, Sana Said posted it. Yes, yes. James Fisbach with a salad, Dan Bilzerian with... Making a cocktail. Welcome to our party.

Tucker and Candice Owens and who's the... That's Nick Fuentes. Yes, yes, yes. And then on the door is two flags. One is an Iranian flag, and the other is an Israeli flag. Well, the X taken out of it. Yes. Or it's crossed out.

Oh, and there's a small print on the screen says, created in whole or in part with something generative artificial, with the aid of generative artificial intelligence. You don't say. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Who else is ringing? Oh, look.

It's the squad. It's Rashida Talib Ilhan Omar and is that supposed to be AOC? I'm not really sure. Okay. Yeah. It's the flip-flop mode squad. Yes. Who else is there? It's

Okay. This is fantastic. That is... Hassan Piker. That is supposed to be Hassan Piker. It looks like a cross between him and John Marco Sarasi and I guess Code Pink.

That is Code Pink next to them. pointing, smiling, thumbs up. Students for Justice in Palestine. With dollar sign glasses? Uh-huh. Yep. Whatever that.

They sure look queer. Vladimir Putin's at the door. Uh-huh. Putin and some other people. I don't know those other guys. And then look at that. Oh, it's the Mullahs. It's the Mullahs.

It is Iran is there. And they're all. cutting their cake. They're pissing or pouring some kind of acid or liquid on the Israeli flag cake and then taking a sword to it in scimitar. Yeah. They're cutting the cake. Listen, James Fishback is, you know, right-wing psychopath is not someone who I like or support and, you know, openly traffics and fucking, like, groiper fucking sort of framings in language. I saw him dodge a question about the Holocaust, which I was like, well, that seems like a weird layup to miss.

Hey, man, if only our people have been able to dodge more of the Holocaust. That's a good point. My great-grandparents might have gotten to meet them, you know? Yes. I love that Zionists say the exact same thing about Holocaust victims. They're like, hey, guys, that was an easy layup to hit. But, yeah, that being said about James Fishback. Using the power of AI, the opposition to Fishback just had him meeting up with a bipartisan consensus of people who are more overwhelmingly popular than mainstream right and the mainstream like Democratic Party, which I don't know, you know, I just don't know anymore what is a,

winning electoral strategy. But I'm, but I'm grateful for. Who's his opponent? Who paid for that? Who the fuck cares? Yeah. So if I cared enough about elections,

I wouldn't do a podcast about it. But anyways, that was a lot of fun. Do you guys like that video? It's great. That's why we tune into the big game. You're going to get that high quality commercial slop at the halftime. and uh i watch

i watch football for the commercials have you seen the video of the of the the hot air uh world cup trophy uh thing like the big helium thing being inflated oh yeah yeah i did that was great it goes from very flaccid to like to hard as a rock it's it yeah it's very too messant indeed yeah um i'm really glad that the world cup is over because uh i was uh i'd be honest with you i was starting to feel for Argentina or for fans of Argentina because I was like, damn, it's crazy. We all, we all, like the world hates Israel so much that they weren't even in the World Cup.

And they were like, Argentina, you're Israel now. But it helped that Argentina seemed to be a bunch of cry-bully assholes, too, on the pitch. Oh, they don't do themselves any favors. I'll tell you that much. But, yeah, I, I'm glad that it's over. and I'm glad it ended with Ben Gavir and Netanyahu and Rabbi Shmuli, realizing that they're never going to win the World Cup.

Yeah, Shmuli wanted a refund. He was really upset that Spain won. Is that real? Did he actually? Oh, yeah, yeah, I said it to you, Matt. You want to play it? Yeah. Is that real?

Yeah, yeah, we'll show you. No, that sounds like a character. No, you're being anti-Semitic. Yes. That's what he lives to do. He demands reparations, Muhammad. Oh, my God. These people.

What did you just say? These people? I said this. Yeah. And I meant exactly as it's so. I know you did. Okay. Here we go.

And here. Come to a world, come final, is something to check off your pocket list. So far, it has been such a discipline. This game sucks. We're into the 65th minute. It's zero. zero. Leonel Messi, his greatest soccer player of all time, fairly left the ball. I don't think

Argentina's taking one shot on goal. The halftime shows suck. Can't better than to a Super Bowl. I've never been to a Super Bowl. But I don't know, man. I mean, the costs are crazy, obviously. But zero zero. This is a Super Bowl. We want our money back. So all the people that are saying that, you know, this world's the top is going to turn everything around in America. And America's not a good around race soccer. They said the same thing in 1994 in America. I'm sorry. I've never seen such a...

No, that's so crazy. He's such a poor fucking sport. So I was wrong. That video was made while it was still a zero-zero-tie. He made another video right after Spain scored. He goes to the camera. He's like, boom. Boom. Come on, Argentina.

He couldn't stand losing. And I love it. Well, he's pretty messy. He, yes, yes, he is. Shout out to Spain. And shout out to Javier Bardem, who this is, I wanted, for more than anything else, I wanted him to win because I love you, Javier. Come on the podcast, please.

Mohamed, thank you so much for coming back on Bad as far. Thank you for having me. It's an absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you. Where can people find your work, plug your social media or anything like that? You could follow me on Twitter. It's a bit grading, but you could follow me there. I know on Instagram, but that's for like the sex appeal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My name on both platforms. Yes, and please get his book, Perfect Victims by Muhammad L. Curd, available from Haymarket Books. It is a great book. We've both read it and we both love it. So if you haven't yet, there is a link in the description. Please buy it now.

And patreon.com slash badassbara. Baddusbarra at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea. All right, folks, we need to raise 750 pounds to give Rabbi Shmulia's refund. I nominate Tali. Hey.

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