Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - 237: And I Loop!

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

Matt, Daniel and Producer Adam take a spin through the political establishment’s exhausting, continued Hasan Piker obsession, Ed Sheeran’s apolitical politicking, and the fencepost-shaped notch in Brad Lander’s ass.Please donate to Project Mohammed: https://chuffed.org/project/178918-help-the-children-of-gazaJoin the Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/c/badhasbaraSubscribe to the Substack at https://badhasbara.substack.com/Get a Youtube Membership at https://www.youtube.com/@Badhasbara/membershipMiddle School Mysteries: https://middleschoolmysteries.com/Middle School Mysteries IG: https://www.instagram.com/middleschoolmysteriesmusical/TICKETS: Francesca Fiorentini and Matt Lieb October 13 in Philadelphia: https://www.ticketmaster.com/francesca-fiorentini-matt-lieb-philadelphia-pennsylvania-10-13-2026/event/020064D7D1615517TICKETS: The Bitchuation Room with Francesca Fiorentini and guest Matt Lieb October 14 in Philadelphia: https://www.livenation.com/event/vvG1FZ_uLomA9S/francesca-fiorentini-the-bitchuation-room-liveTICKETS: Matt Lieb and Francesca Fiorentini October 15 in Brooklyn, NY: https://bit.ly/octoberbellhouseBad Hasbara Merch: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastWhat’s The Spin on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURWhat’s The Spin: Part 2: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3rGDqmo1trC8qwobefELSt?si=e29b8594e17c47dbWhat’s The Spin on Tidal: https://tidal.com/playlist/3cec7963-1fc5-42bc-ab7d-64fb420eb50eWhat’s The Spin Album List: https://bit.ly/whatsthespinlistSkad Skasbarska playlist: http://bit.ly/skadskasbarskaSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSubstack https://substack.com/@badhasbaraSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hasehameya, Kingamar, Hatimatova, and welcome to Bad Hezbarah. Moral new, podcast, new. Oh, sorry. Still up on my yomki poor BS. That's up, everybody. It's the world's most moral podcast coming at you for the new year. 5878, baby. Happy Jew year.

My name is Matt Lieb. I will be your most moyal. for this podcast. I think I got it wrong. I think it's 5787. Anyway, hello. I'm Daniel Mate, your other most moral co-host.

Producer Adam here as well. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah, dude. So excited to be spending the high holidays with all of you fine folks. I'm including Daniel and Adam, but also everyone out there

who is listening slash watching this podcast and whatever app you are using to do so, whether it be... whatever in whatever Suka you happen to be in. That's right. Coming up in a few days. I'm going to get you Suka. And yeah, give us five stars in a review wherever you get podcasts.

And make sure to subscribe on YouTube, subscribe on substack, subscribe on Patreon. You know, Patreon.com slash bad hasbarra. This is where you get your bonus episode every week. But not only that, you also get these a little bit early. Now, you've probably noticed that you are getting this a little bit late. That's because yesterday, because we're recording this on Tuesday, September 22nd, yesterday we were out celebrating Yom by atoning for the sin of podcasting. We had a lot of sins to atone for, and so there was no time for potting.

Zero time to pod when you have to say sorry to God. You know what I'm saying? apologies to G-D for doing the P-D. So we are here now. We hope you will forgive us for giving you everything one day. We were doing the God fast for the podcast. That's right. Doing the God fast for the podcast.

You know, shout out to those who fasted. Shout out to those who didn't. You know, I'm only half Jewish on the wrong side, so I only half-Feshoe. so I only half fasted, which means that I ate just a little bit less than I usually did. I also shout out not only to our producer Adam Levin, who is here today and will be our guest today because we're going guest lists once again. But also shout out to editor Brent doing an amazing job on threes and fours, getting everyone's clips out, getting socials out.

I mean, this guy is a freaking machine. Then let me say something. Let me say something. Go ahead. Editor Brent must have some kind of magic because our videos suddenly on YouTube are doing like unprecedented numbers.

And yet, and yet, I mean, I'm talking about like 40,000 views in a day. I'm talking, that used to be like a high watermark for like cumulatively for an entire episode. That's exactly right. And yet I want to say this. And yet our subscriber numbers are not, they're not growing at the same pace,

which tells me that there are some, people, maybe tens of thousands of you who are watching these things. Possibly millions. Possibly millions who are watching and enjoying, but not doing the natural, you know, the natural consequence of like the next. Right. What would come the work? Just follow that impulse to be like, wow, I really want to see more from this channel. You click that subscribe button. That's all you got to do. You're going to get everything we've got. Yeah, exactly. You don't have to rely on some chancy algorithm. Exactly. Why wait for, you know, the algorithm to tell you what you like when you can tell the algorithm what you like by

subscribing on YouTube or subscribing on substack or Patreon also um and this is something I I hadn't run by you guys before and we can cut this out but I was going to say we had talked about this um on Patreon as well as on all of our subscriber um you know platforms substack in this. We are going to, coming up soon, offer a free bit of time where that's right, there will be everyone. Everyone can subscribe to our member feeds for absolutely nothing, zero dollars, just so you can enjoy some of our bonus content for free, just to see what you're missing. You know what I'm saying? Sample it. Sample it. I don't know what the details are. We loosely discussed this at one point.

And I was like, you know, maybe now's the best time to announce that very soon you're going to be able to get it for free. When? I don't know. Soon though. For how long? Nothing makes something happen better than just saying it will, you know, with someone to account for it. That's exactly right. That is the only way, right?

Just so, you know, we are looking at our, you know, subscriber numbers. And I was like, you know what? maybe people need to know what they're missing. And the way we can do that is offer it for free. So very soon we will be offering it for free for a period of time. How long? That's what the drug dealers do. Ah, right.

And in the same spirit, Matt, you've inspired me. Just, you know, throw my hat over the wall and then go get it. Something that we've discussed by which, I mean, I've left voice notes to myself. Okay. And then done another voice note in Matt's voice, responding to it. Matt's going to be moving to New York soon to become my personal masseuse. That's, mm-hmm. And he's leaving his family.

This is how I found out I didn't get that job. Yeah, that's how you found out. I'm sorry, Adam. Yeah. But, you know, there's, look, there's only one position, and I'm taking it. And it's 69. It's the only position I like, baby. Yeah, no, I will soon be leaving.

Good, I need a good stretch. to 69 you? My God. Yeah, dude. Put me on the rack. Stretch me out. Jesus. Grow by three inches. You know what I mean? Seriously. Anyways, he's just kidding about that, but I'm not just kidding, I think, about the

free member feed. No, that sounds good to me. Yeah, keep your eyes peeled for that. I want people to, you know, to be able to, like, consume some of our exclusive content for free for a little just to see what it's like. And then, you know, back to behind a paywall. and, you know, the piggies can squeal and whatnot, but maybe some will pay. Any hudel, we're going to be talking about a lot of stuff this episode, including these Ed Shear and shows in Philly.

But if you're in Philly for a different reason on October 13th and 14th, why don't you come out to the Philly Punchline and see me do stand up and do a live bituation room podcast with Francesca Furentini? Philly Punchline. It's where comedy is born. I don't know. I made that up. Finally, Bell House, October 15th in New York, in Brooklyn. This is coming up fast, guys. So get these tickets before they run out.

They will sell out. All of these shows will sell out. Our opening act is McElmore and all of the opening acts from at Shearren. So you'll really enjoy all that. Just kidding. If you thought I was serious, some people think that I'm serious when I'm not. No, the real guest is so wrong. That's right.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So please get your tickets now. Also, middle school mysteries album, studio. Yeah, drops this Friday at midnight, Thursday night, Friday morning on Spotify, on Apple Music, on title, on all of the streaming platforms. It's fully mixed. It's fully master. We had a listening session the other day for the kids and the whole crew, and it was just such a thrill to hear them, just to see them hearing themselves and what they've created.

And I'm really, really proud and excited to put this out into the world. I won't have the vinyl for quite a while, but that'll come in the coming months, but you will be able to check it out. And I hope you'll do so and go to the website, middle school mysteries.com, follow us on Instagram,

middle school mysteries musical. Yeah, check it out. Hopefully by listening to the album in full, you'll be able to follow the bones of the story. I think the song is to a pretty good job of telling you that what happens without telling you all the twists and turns and reveals. Yeah, it does.

I listen to it, so I know. I already know. And it's not just for middle schoolers, even though it's about middle schoolers. No, no, no, no. Of course not. If you're like me and you have the intellect of a middle schooler, you can still watch it.

That's right. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, it's like, just because it's about middle schoolers doesn't mean it's for middle schoolers. Just, you know, it's like Rugrats is a show about babies, but that's for adults.

Exactly. And just because this is a show about Zionist doesn't mean it's only for Zionists. That's right. Exactly. See, we know that there's some of, we know that there's some of you out there who want to see the settler colony dismantled or worse, you know.

Yeah. So today's episode is brought to you by Project Mohammed. Project Mohammed is a youth-led humanitarian initiative working directly inside Gaza, providing food, clean water, medical aid, infant formula, and emergency support to displaced families and children. A donation supports clean water for displaced families and children, bread distributions for families facing hunger, infant forms. formula, medical aid, and emergency relief. You can find the link in the description. So please open that description up, click the link, donate now. It is vitally important that we keep, you know,

money flowing in some fashion to these organizations because they are literally doing the work. You know, I know when we say like, hey, you got to subscribe, do the work. You know, we're doing it jokingly, but also they are doing actual work. Yeah, don't let it be out of your heart just because it's out of the news. Exactly. Thank you. That is correct. So please do that now.

Link in description. I just read that Israel is barring peanut butter from entering Gaza because they term it a luxury. That's the state of things. Maybe they thought it was dual use and they were worried about, you know, peanut butter bombs. Yeah, I could see that too. I mean, you know, they did that with cookies. They are trying to make our tongue stick to the roof of our mouths and poison Jewish dogs. We call it Operation M. Chubby Bani.

Operation Skippy. We are, of course, banning peanut butter because this is a country of people who are allergic to peanut butter. And we consider this a biological weapon. As someone who's allergic, enacting the final peanut butter solution. We are doing the people of Gaza a favor. This will be a no nut October, which is a good discipline to develop.

Wow. Oh, my God. Donate to that charity. Forget our jokes. Yes, donate to that charity. Beautiful job, everyone. Daniel, what's the spin? Well, I'm sorry.

for that no nut joke and I'm sorry for a lot of things and we can all atone and it's Yom Kippur yesterday so I picked some apology-themed songs and albums. Here's REM with Reckoning. I think this is their or no, this is murmur. Is this reckoning or murmur? Reckoning. You're asking the wrong guy. One of their, one of their early records and has a song called South Central Rain, the chorus of which is, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That's a pretty good stipe. That's a good stipe. It sounds like him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

It's good. Good Palestine advocates type. I know. Lemonade, Beyonce. She has a song called Sorry on here, I believe. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Although the album itself is the opposite of a sorry. It's more like you're going to be sorry for what you did. That's right. That's right. Well, you know what? I should have included 444 by Jay-Z. That is his. That is his song.

Sorry. Yeah. It is on my shelf, but I'm not going to go and get it right now because I've already selected other ones. I agree. I will select it for another reason. The John Lennon collection, just a compilation with the song Jealous Guy. Uh-huh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Donnie Hathaway beautifully covered. It's, you know, it's a great, great tune. Yeah. Originally called Woman is the N-word of my house. Just kidding. Come on, man. All apologies, of course.

Very good. Very good. In utero. Great album. And then there's songs that are not so apologetic. Tyler, the creator, has a song called Sorry Not Sorry, which I know some other pop singer has, but that's on this album. Call me if you get lost. And you know what?

Sometimes you're just not ready to forgive or apologize. Sometimes you're not ready to make nice. It's the essential chicks, formerly known as the D-C-C-chix. That's right. That's right. Shout out to the chicks. And that was their song. about being canceled over their principled objection to the Iraq war.

Which, luckily after they sacrificed their careers for that, it never happened again. Famously. Yeah. And no other musician ever had to bear the brunt for taking an anti-imperialist, anti-hegemonic stance. That's right. Shout out to the long arc of history that bends towards justice. Daniel, thank you for.

spin and really appreciate that. And you can, of course, listen to all of the what's the spin albums on our various fucking, we got a couple of playlists now because there's too many songs. All right. So now we're getting into it. We're going to be talking about a lot of things today. We're going to be talking about Yom Kippur, Ed Shearhan. We're going to be talking about Hassan Piper a little bit too. But we're starting off with Yom. So I want to know both y'all. How'd your Yom go? You guys, were you sufficiently sorry?

Adam, you want to go first? Sure. I mean, I acknowledged my many misdeeds, both known and unknown over the past year. Nice. And while I am sorry for them, I will be doing it again in the coming year. Yeah. I mean, that's part of it. part of it is being like, and I'll see you next year, God, when I'm sorry again.

I saw a legitimately anti-Semitic tweet today. Around this time of year, people like to come in and be like, the Jews have all these crazy rituals. And it's, you know, the swinging chickens over the head, I'll grant you is. Fair, it's fair. Yeah. You know, in the streets of Williamsburg. I don't like that much.

Or the weird moils, like the ones who suck the blood. Like, that's something where I'm just like, look, that is not a regular, you know, know thing but i'm not but it also i guess is a thing that happens so i don't know how to explain that my dental hygienist told me that uh oh yeah jews are evil and do black magic that's right yes adam has uh an anti-semitic dental hygienic which is just the funniest thing you've texted us multiple times from the dentist office being like oh no he's he's going off about the jews again it sort of puts a river verse spin on the goy's teeth.

Yeah, right? The dental hygienists. Yeah, he sees the name of God on the teeth and it's just like... It's just Hemeetown. Yeah. Just God's calling you a kike. No, but this... Yeah, exactly.

But, yeah, Jews incisors are sharp, you know? But I... No, but this tweet was all about Colnidre and the various... Like, just analyzing the ways that Jews use these prayers. is to essentially exempt themselves from accountability and just this very, you know, vicious, you know, I don't like seeing that stuff because it makes my, it makes my, it makes my dismissals of the rampant anti-Semitism on this podcast seem less credible. There's, you know, first of all, you know, Twitter is truly a Nazi cesspool.

And the increase of blatantly anti-Semitic posts is very much calculated. I know this because I will see posts on my 4U page that are just Nazi posts. And it won't even be like, oh, this was retweeted by some pro-Palestine account to, you know, whatever. It's just, they're just pushing this out to me. And so, you know. And the preponderance of screen names that are just jumbles of numbers. Right. Yeah.

It's just to sort of flood the space with shitty content. Right, right. And this person did seem to be an actual Arab woman. Yeah, and it's not to confuse or to, you know, forgive the fact that there are also real people who are doing anti-Semitic stuff. The problem I have with people who do the sort of like, let's do a deep dive into the, you know, religious ceremonies or religious texts and whatnot is that they kind of, it's number one it lends credence to this uh like fundamentally reactionary idea that anyone who is a a radical uh you know whether they be like an islamist or a jewish person they're doing so uh because of religious war reasons not because of a very real um you know uh very real

secular ideas that push them into this kind of thinking, like the same people who do like look into the Talmud and you'll see what the real face of the Jew is. It's the same argument as like look into the Quran to see why the Islamist words. That's my objection to it. It's the exact mirror image of

you know American American chauvinists who try to justify American brutality by finding you know essential universal doctrinal

aspects of Islamic practice or any other groups practice and then generalizing it to everybody. But anyway. You can also do it the other way and go like, you know, I know a thing or three about the Talmud and it says that you're wrong and I'm right

and you're an infidel. Right, yeah, yeah, of course. And that's the thing about it in general. But people, I think, need to realize in general we're talking about a very secular ideology in Zionism, whether or not it's attached to Judaism. I mean, I'm not going to say it's not attached to Judaism. Of course it's attached to Judaism, but in the same way a parasite is attached to a fish, you know what I mean? You can attach the outcome of a football game to Jesus' will.

Right, exactly. Anything post facto can be harnessed to motivate and justify and explain. what's happened. Which is why in general, when it comes to, you know, religion, I, I'm, you know, largely ambivalent. I'm not like pro-religion in any sense. But people, I think they obfuscate

the very secular origins of a lot of this, you know, Zionism is settler colonial. Let's not get into, oh, here's what the secret book says about why the Jews do the things. It's like, because they're doing racist apartheid. You don't need to... Which they learned from Christians.

Yes, I mean, right. And also, you know, it's like, you know, I'm not going to say that Christians got that from Christianity. They got it from fucking fucking fucking fucking fucking whatever system of government that said we need to... Anyways, go ahead. You're right. You're absolutely right. My Omquipur was lovely.

I went to both the Colnidre service on Sunday night and then I went to the full morning service yesterday. Somehow I didn't have my usual resistance to it this year. wanted to be around a group of other Jews, which I don't often feel that desire to be in community in that way. I'm a kind of a loner. But it was really nice. Some of my favorite moments were, well, first of all,

and this is, I'm just speaking for me. I'm not trying to argue any position. But one of the reasons I was wary is that the synagogue, or the congregation has long had like a mandatory masking policy for like all of these years. And I just am not comfortable sitting for a long time I'm in a mask with this beard. You don't believe in the pandemic.

It's not that it's not ideological. It's strictly about sort of a certain degree of comfort and capacity. And like I don't want to be in synagogue that much. Right, right, right, right. But what the rabbi said at Rosh Hashanah, which I live streamed, he said, look, we have a lot. We're all in a body. And clearly it had been an aspect of growing controversy within the congregation. A friend of mine who goes there said that on the list served, there was all kinds of back and forth about whether they should still be doing this.

So he said, we're all in a body and we all have different bodies and we all have different bodies. and we'll have different needs. And we're trying to be inclusive and we're trying to make a safe space for people who are immune or compromised. And at the same time, there's some of you who, for health reasons, cannot mask.

And there's others for you who masking gets in the way of prayer and gets in the way of God. So we've created an unmasked section off to the site. I like it. And your masked friends and family are welcome to sit with you over there.

So I just, I'm not passing judgment on it, but I did find there's something humorous that here I am sitting in the special needs section for people who need to breathe fresh air. It's like eating it in Denny's in 1986 or it's like, we'd just put up like a little half-glass wall. That's right. And then that separates the two sections. Yeah.

I love that. Yeah. I also like. But I also appreciated the spirit of it also. And I'm glad that they made room for a little bit of room for people like me. For people like you are uncomfortable. I mean, listen, I'll, I will fully admit that I have just a horrible eczema. And whenever I get too much moisture on my face from wearing.

a mask, it's a bummer for me. But, you know, I do it in public, I do it in public spaces like, or, you know, like planes and fucking buses and stuff like that, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, as, is, as, as, and telling me, that I'm a, well, whatever. Um, the other few moments that I found really enjoyed is that During the Torah reading, there were different, I mean, it's a really awesome synagogue. Like, there was a guy who got up there with a saxophone while another dude did the Haftara portion, almost like a beat poetry thing. It was very cool.

But during the Torah reading, they had various people reading the different verses. And there were different levels of fluency and singing voice and confidence. But literally every single one of them, even the most confident, each of them had a Jimmy Vomer moment, which is where they're like singing along. No, but not that. It's like, Ve' omere, adonai, almo, al-Mu-Hah, al-Mu-Hae? Am-O-sheh?

Am-O-sheh? Am-O-she-M-O-T-Mood? And everyone's, of course, very, very kind and understands it's hard to go up there, be up there to do it. But I just couldn't help thinking of Jimmy, be like, wow, what a beautiful shoe. Yeah. What a beautiful congregation. That's great. And lastly, there's that prayer that I was channeling at the beginning of the episode,

which is the acrostic, which we did a riff on a couple of years ago of the, you know, we have sinned going through the alphabet, different words. And in Hebrew, the one for the letter chet is, it's Hamasnu.

We have Hamas, which translates, I believe, as we have slandered. Yeah, and what we have slandered is Hamas. Yeah, and we've slandered other people by calling them Ham Ham Hamas. That's right. We've used Hamas as slandered.

So I thought that was just a beautiful little Easter egg by God or by the people who wrote our liturgy all those centuries ago. Yes. They prepared us for this moment. They saw into the future and said they're going to have to do a little atoning for all the Hamas slander they've been doing. Exactly. And then I went to the Outdoor Use Corps Service, the remembrance and, you know, in the Progressive Brooklyn world, recommitting to political action and refusing complicity rally out. outside at Grand Army Plaza.

And we have some material to talk about from that because it caused no small bit of twittering on the X. The tweeters were tweeting. The birds were chirping over this. And, you know, people celebrating Yom online did a bunch of different things. Before we get to that, I just want to point out the IDF did a post, not at Israel.

I'm talking about at. IDF did a post of someone blowing a show far. I just want to show you guys because, I mean, there's just been nothing better than this. At IDF, the IDF wishes you as safe, easy, and meaningful fast. Safe, easy, meaningful, and anonymous. So for those of you listening,

what you see is an IDF soldier with his fucking, you know, M16 or whatever, you know, around him, but he's blowing a show far. In front of the Western Wall. In front of the Western Wall. But the important thing to note is that, yes, they have censored his face. They blurred out his face. They anonymized the IDF soldier because, look, we may be irredeemably guilty.

That the IDF is developing. When you're so irredeemably guilty that you have to pixelate your own face so that not even God can judge you on Yom Kippur. It is crazy to be like. I should do that next. See, if there was a mask. that pixelated my face. Oh, yes. Because God can see through a KN95.

I'm sure. But if there was some way to blur my image, so I could feel good at atoning but take no actual accountability and not be under any real scrutiny. Yes. That would be the most Zionist, wonderful thing in the world. I love the sense of only God can judge me. Not even God.

But the ICJ is very real and on earth. So I'm going to make sure that I'm blurred out. Yeah, God forgives Photoshop protects. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Just being like, let's be real here. You know, God, you'll deal with me later. But for now, I got to watch out for the Hague, all right?

Oh, God. Just shout out to the IDF for always keeping it real when it comes to the various war crimes of the people in their service. But yes, Brad Lander gave this speech that a lot of people had some thoughts on. Let's play a little bit of it. And Daniel, you were there. Yeah, I'll just give some context. So this is the East Corps afternoon service before the final home stretch. People return to synagogue and break the fast afterwards.

But this is around 3.30 p.m. So, you know, the hunger is ramping up. The intensity, the stakes, the gates of heaven or the gates of judgment are going to close pretty soon. And there's what's called Yiskore, which means remembrance. So it's often a service for the dead, but in progressive circles, it's turned into a kind of accountability

recommitting to our political beliefs, and atoning and grieving collectively for collective complicity, collective crimes, and all this. So for the past three years, rabbis for ceasefire, Jewish voice for peace, if not now, J. Fredge, all these organizations have banded together to do this

public offering a public service, not a rally, but a service, at Grand Army Plaza. And Mahmoud Khalil spoke yesterday, very powerfully. And a Palestinian woman whose name I forget from a West Bank village, which is on the verge of being wiped out by settlers in the army. And Hala Alian, I hope I'm not butchering her name. A wonderful poet who read a great poet of hers, a poem of hers called Redacted. And Brad Lander kicked things off with this speech.

And yeah, we'll play it. And then maybe I'll share my impressions. And then we'll look at some of the kind of like with the Naza thing. Like there's there's responses. And then it gets totally, the Zionist freak out makes it almost moot. Yeah, it overshadows a lot of the nuance talks about, you know, let's be, you know, honest, the liberal Zionism of, you know, of Brad Lander. But here is that speech.

Aver-Haitev, it is an honor to observe Yom Kippur with so many Jewish and multi-faith neighbors who say no to Israel's genocide of Palestinians, who say no to ethnic cleansing, who say no to human-made famine, who say no to the use of U.S. tax dollars to bomb entire families, who say no to war criminals in our city this holy week or any week. On Yom Kippur, we say our prayers of confession and atonement in first-person plural. Ashamnu, vagadnu, we have sinned. We have transgressed. And of course, we can only do that work together in community.

Now, I know that many of you, dare I say most of you, and a growing number of Jews are non-Zionists or anti-Zionists. And I respect that, and I'm committed to organizing with you around our shared goals. And I also want to speak today to my fellow liberal and progressive Zionists about the repentance that we must do today. Because as someone who feels a connection to Israel, who cares about it, I feel today so deeply that my vidui, my confession, must center on my, on our complicity in what I view as genocide in Gaza. Now, I understand the hesitation of some to call it genocide. I understand and share fears of rising anti-Semitism, and I understand even though I don't share it the feeling of antagonism some have to those who reject the vision of a Jewish state. But what I don't understand is this.

For those Jews who share that connection to Israel, when we confess our collective transgressions today before God, how can you not join me in seeing the wanton destruction of Gaza? The famine exacerbated by lack of aid. Okay, I think we can stop it there. Because from here, he goes on to list all the things there are to object to. And, you know, he goes on to deliver a speech that I think any non-Zionist or anti-Zionist would be happy with. But for me, first of all, he was the first speaker.

And to me, it was a very odd, it's an odd feeling to have an elected official kick off a religious service. It feels shoehorned in. It doesn't, it took me out. And especially one who's going to be like, look, I know that I'm basically at a virulently anti-Zionist thing. And I understand why some of you think, some people think all of you are anti-Semites, even though I don't think all of you are anti-Semites. And I myself, unlike you, feel a connection to. Israel. But I still want to talk to my fellow Dodo birds. You know, my fellow, aren't we extinct yet species of liberal and progressive Zionist, you know? So to me it was just

like if it's true that all or most of us are, which is true at that rally and there's a very large crowd, maybe a thousand people, then it's just an odd choice to start things off that way. And to to me what I wanted to say to him, if I would have heckled him, which I decided not to because I was hungry, never heckle hungry, folks. That's right. Is if you're serious about your viduie, your confession and acknowledging your complicity, then complicity and genocide, they're not just words, they have implications. You have to understand where that genocide came from, who did it and why, what the motivating systems are that generated it. And then at some point, it's, can lead you back to this thing that you seem to rest your clinging to liberal progressive Zionism on, which is this quote unquote connection to Israel, which is fallacious in two ways. Number one, there's plenty of people in that crowd who have a connection to that land, who might have connection to people there, who might have connection to particular places there, right? He's creating a false dichotomy between people who give a shit about it and people who just

hate it. He's saying, well, look, I respect you for wanting nothing to do with it and so on and so. That's not true. The question is what, and this leads me to the second fallacy, what is Israel? What do you have a connection to? What you're saying when you say you're a liberal or progressive Zionist is that you still have a connection to and want to safeguard at all costs. It's of paramount importance and it will supersede other values, the state of Israel, which by definition is an ethno-nationalist apartheid state. It cannot be otherwise. You want to keep clinging to your two-state solution fantasy at this point.

Then you just have to acknowledge, I want an ethno-state, and they can have their own ethno-state on less arable land and a tiny percentage of their historical. And you just have to own that. You cannot anymore, to me, continue to do this thing of, look, let's agree to disagree. I'm a progressive Zionist, and I'm going to really interrogate my complicity in this genocide.

You're not interrogating it fully if you don't interrogate this. so-called connection to Israel. I also hate this rebrand of progressive Zionist, where, you know, what we are used to calling liberal Zionists. Now we also have this new subterm called progressive Zionists. It's not actually new. That's what we used to call ourselves in the 90s in the, in the, in the, oh, that's interesting. I never, yeah, I don't think I'd ever heard that.

I mean, maybe I hadn't just was like, okay, this is just liberal Zionism just called progressive for some reason. It's like liberal Zionism, but we want Medicare for all, I guess? I don't fucking know. It's also this politicians need to like be all things to all people. Yes. It's okay to like me even if you don't like that I am, you know, basically an anti-Zionist. Right.

Yeah. And also. And here's some crumbs as to how I'm not an anti-Zionist. Right. And also anti-Zionists, these Zionist people, they're okay too. Like, there's a lot to like there. Like, it's just kind of like, whatever you think it's okay, as long as you vote for me. Right.

That's exactly right. And I'm always about function. And he has played an important function in the New York City activist movement. He's done some good anti-Zionist work locally. On that level, just like Yuval Abraham, I don't really care what's in his heart. What I do care about is when he's given pride of place at a religious service, when a secular politician, an elected politician who speaks like a politician, moves like a politician, thinks like a politician, is given pride of place

that is a spiritual service that's supposed to be a solemn in solidarity moment with, you know, Mahmoud Khalil there and a Palestinian woman speaking forcefully about what Zionism has done to her people. To me, it's just not, it's just, it's just not appropriate to start things off with this kind of wishy, it just waters it down. Yeah, I mean, I think it was uncomfortable for a lot of people.

Sure, to Adam's point, you know, you reminded me of a, um, something from them, the show succession, which, you know, like politicians in general, it's like, you know, if you, if you can't ride two horses at the same time, then you don't belong in the circus is, you know, something they said in the show regarding like being able to sort of placate everyone and play all sides. And there's something to be said about that in terms of what it means to be a politician and what it means to get elected to then go forth and do stuff. But I think when you're talking, about this particular service and sort of what he is actually doing there in front of,

let's be honest, a constituency of people who are not sitting there going, you know, I am a liberal Zionist. I mean, this is very much, you know, this is,

it's playing to this old and sort of useless idea that Zionism is just kind of what's in your heart, you know, Zionism is just something that is personal. to you, like a sort of Protestant Zionism that has... How can it be bad if it's what I believe? Right, exactly. I mean, Judaism is all about customs, right?

So we customize... That's right. Special orders don't upset us. In fact, we insist on making special orders. That's right. Hold the pickles, hold the lettuce. But I... Natura la carte.

Wow. Oh, boy. 10 out of 10 for that one. But the, you know, I see the function thing the same way you do. And I don't feel that this is a case in which there is much function to it, other than it being sort of like his own personal carved out lane, which is like, you know. And to that point, this was basically a reiteration of his substack post from a couple of days before. He was basically reading what is mounted to a new talk, a new stump speech.

Right. Without regard to the context or the place. Right. And so I guess what I will say is something similar to the conversation we had about Yuval, which is that about, you know, function. In general, when it comes to, when it comes to the personal beliefs of a lot of these people, I do see it as almost beyond the point. This is something that I feel like the left needs to try to internalize the idea of the useful idiot the way the right does. Like you can say, well, hey, what is Brad Lander or Yuval Abraham's real goal here? You know, this is like deep in their heart.

They're trying to, you know, they're trying to rebrand Zionism or whatnot. It's like that could be true. I don't know. But amongst a wave or within a wave of very fervent anti-Zionist sentiment from this particular crowd, and then also in general, a more and more Israel-critical sort of political baseline that is present throughout not just Europe and whatnot, but also in the United States now growing. these voices just count as, you know, if you're looking at it in bad faith, oh, they are useful idiots for anti-Zionism. Good. Let them be useful idiots for anti-Zionism. You know, they themselves are not going to personally be able to steer the ship. So I'm not worried if a Bradlander or a

Yuval Abraham has some secret, you know, ideas about how they're going to revive Zionism. that is something to always be concerned about, and I understand that, but also you understand the general sentiment around is just, this is just one voice in a sea of growing voices of people who are saying Israel is doing an apartheid, and that to me is like a good thing. That's right, and we should make use of the useful, but at the same time, I think that makes it incumbent upon us, whoever organizes these kind of things, to realize when they're useful and where they're useful. I agree. And in this case, you know, it would have been a really useful speech to make on the upper west side or the upper east side at a place where Jews are actively in that uncomfortable

place and need someone who can tip them gently and compassionately over that edge towards us. Yes. Absolutely great. And I want to see you make the same speech at wherever Ami Hirsch. Yes. Wherever Ami Hirsch fucking speaks. Or at the 92nd Street, why? Yes. There is, it's useful. I feel like it's usefulness at this point was just in sort of being something that was clipped online so that Zionists could yell at it, which is a use. But it is, you know, that's basically just useful to us at the Bad Hasbar podcast. Yeah, it's, it's bad because it, anytime you, I mean, they would have, they went to town on the fact that Mahmoud Khalil spoke and all that, but Brad Lander was the thing that gave them the most ammunition.

And then they can come in and be like, look at these anti-Zionists, twisting Jewish tradition. This is not what it's supposed to be. They're using, they're misusing Jewish liturgy to promote blood libel and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the fact that it's an elected official who is already cynicism coded by the, by dint of his job description, just being a politician, makes that easier and it makes it more, it brings it out in fuller force. Yeah. So here is this one guy fucking Max

Nordau who is by all accounts a not Jewish person. He's just been this like pro-Israel shill since you know I became aware of him which was around October 7th. So anyways

he wrote this. Bradlander gives the most nauseating self-hating, sacrilegious Yam Kippur's speech you will ever hear. And then he goes on to just quote him from various times. Yeah, and he's doing like time code. Yeah, he says, okay, it opens in Hebrew. Yeah, there's no need to go through it

because we've already seen a lot of these greatest hits. Right. And he just quotes him. And to his audience, it's supposed to be self-evidently sacrilegious. I didn't think there was anything sacrilegious in there whatsoever. I think it's completely legitimate for Jews to use this time to get together collectively and think about our collective sin against others. I mean, that accords with my spirituality.

I mean, also, like, you know, again, we're dealing with this propaganda from sort of these non-Jewish conservative Zionist accounts who love to do the thing that I'm sorry, Zionists complain about all the time, including Ami Hirsch, who actually during his, like, Yom Kippur speech, he said he was tired of non-Jews, telling Jews, telling Jews. what Judaism is, or telling Jews how to, how to, you know, be Jewish. And I was like, well, here's a perfect example. Yeah, that's for us to do about Islam. Right. Right. That's for us to do about Islam. And it's for people like Max to do about Jews because he's doing it in a pro-Israel style. Well, to be fair, it's also for Jews to do about Jews. Pronown patrol, whoever the fuck that is, might be a Jewish account, might not be. Pro-nown. Oh, boy. That's a really weird kid's cartoon, I think.

Yeah, exactly. It's like Paw Patrol, but yeah, go ahead. On Yom Kippur Jews worldwide apologize to God for people like Brad Lander. Joel M. Petlin, who sounds like a Jewish name, it looks kind of Jewish, says, no one should be shocked that Bradlander twisted an ancient holy Jewish prayer into a libelous political statement at a perverse Yom Kippur rally. This is the man who quoted from the Quran in Arabic at a queen's mosque where the imam called for fails to be killed by the sword. So, you know, I love that. Inserting, yeah, shumhorning in some.

Some fucking Islamophobic bullshit for no reason. And also being like, this is the same guy who spoke Arabic. Yeah. So the fuck what? What the fuck? Tally Goldschiff. Not like the Jewish God who has never called for vengeance of any kind, no violence. Exactly.

One of the prayers on Yom Kippur calls God slow to anger, quick to forgive. I'm like, is that in the liturgy? Is that? I guess on God time, maybe it's slow. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, for him. Abrupt to me. Tali Goldscheft, clearly Israeli, says, or maybe just Israeli coded, while Yom Kippur offers an opportunity to become a better human, Bradlander manages to sink even lower.

He was joined by none other than Mahmoud Khalil at this foul rally. Wow. And then someone Michael Rappaport called him. This piece of shit who was brutalized by the government. I know. God. This hero. of free speech.

Michael Rabaport said, look at this tap dancing, pathetic clown. There's no need for these types. This sick puppy tap dancing Bradlanders is a human genocide. Where are the Gazans and Muslims that atone for 10-7?

Every terrorist attack. Any atonement from a single Palestinian ever? Please show me. And then someone asks, Rahamim X, which is a pretty funny screen name since Rahamim means compassion. Is this what reform shules are like?

asking sincerely as I've never stepped foot in one. This is basically what I imagine they're all like, along with complimentary pepperoni pizza lunch provided for everyone in attendance during Yom Kippur. And of course, they're pretending that this is at a synagogue or something. This is an outdoor in-between services gathering for a particular tradition called Yuskouar. It's not the mainline Yom Kippur service.

But anyway, that's what the Zionists have been saying. Yeah, they're just mad at what he said. but my favorite was something you pointed out, and I'm going to be real with you. This account, I cannot speak to the veracity of this account, meaning I don't know if this is a real person who's actually like this.

Her account says black Caribbean American living life. Yeah, so apparently, allegedly, this is a black Caribbean American living life in New York. Shai Davida and Barry Weiss follower. Right, she may be a real. They have high standards for veracity. They sure do. They love real things.

Although there's been a recent wave of dolazoling that has been coming out. Oh, yeah. There was an activist where in Philly or somewhere? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was in Philly who was just like, by the way, I'm not Palestinian. By the way, I'm actually Jewish and my family is Israeli and I'm white. I'm really sorry. Oh, God, we're very embarrassing.

But here is this possibly real Caribbean woman talking about this. she wrote, look at this blood clout Bradlander. I'm sorry, no voices, no voices. No, it's okay. You can do voices because on Instagram now, both our algorithms are feeding us Jamaicans doing patois lessons publicly for white people. We can sign up and pay for it. Yeah, so we're thinking of taking a class on patois lessons just because we feel like we...

We want to get our certificate. Right, because right now, obviously we're doing... If you're credentialed, then you don't get the no voices, no voices. Exactly. Exactly. As long as I have a certificate. I can print out. But anyways.

Then we need certificate. Fidu the voices. Look at this blood clot, rass clot, bomb pussy cluck. I'm sorry, guys. Brad Landa, I'm just a Gentile,

but I know it's a day to be with the community and prayer not doing performative nonsense like this. Fuck that irrevrave. I'm sorry, but you can't start off

with look at this bumba clot and then talk about the irrev rob, like, which is... Aerev. I think Aerevrav just means good evening. Well, it's the term for the Jews of Israel, the Jews of Egypt, who did not cross into the Holy Land. Oh, wow, you're right. Yes, they're the evil, the evil brothers of the Jews. And it is a term that is like, I'm sorry, but not, this is not something that fucking Bomba-Clat, Molano, N5, 8, 3.

five, six, you know, flag, flag, flag, flag, flag, flag, flag. The entire Caribbean knows about, I mean, I'm sorry. I mean, look, she might be a real person, but she's certainly getting fed the fucking Hasbara talking points. And that's a really specific Hasbara talking point, talking about the Arab Arab. So anyways, I love, I love me a Caribbean hasbarist. I'll say that. I would like more of that if I could.

I haven't been talking because I've been trying to work out Erev Rob, bass, and DJ Easy Rock. It takes you to make a thing go right. That's very good. You take you to make an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was one politician who had some. I think she's just trying to get some blood clout. She's just trying to get Bumba Clout.

She's Bumba Clout chasing. That's right. She's a bomb a cloud chaser. But that's one politician who was using a Jewish holiday to do a little bit of politicking maybe. Here's another. This is, Abdul El-Said came out with a video in which he was

celebrating Rosh Hashanah with... Sorry, before you go on, I should note Avi Lewis also in Canada that made a Yonkeeper statement that outraged all the Canadians on it. including Jesse Brown. Of course. You know, exactly the same thing.

They're twisting Judaism. They're using it to spread blood level. Good for you, Avi Lewis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said nothing wrong. Yeah. Avi always always, always, always on the right side, as far as I can tell when it comes to this.

Whereas Jesse Brown, not so much. But Abdul Salad posted this video of him doing a little Rush Ashana get together. Here you go. Hi there. How are you? Thank you so much. That's my pleasure. I'm Missy.

So happy to have you. Thank you so much for hosting us. This is Kugel. I'll just tell you this is my grandma's recipe from my mom's mom. She makes it better than I did. Oh wow. We've got pomegranates, apple cake. We dip our apples in honey.

We recite the blessing of eating the tree fruit. I'll do it in Hebrew first and then in English, which is Burk, Atah, Aronoi, Elohenu, Malacharlam, Beret, Pari, Hayets. The English, translation. is, blessed are you, Lord our God, King of the universe, who creates the fruit of the tree. Amen. This video came out. It's a bit awkward.

He's just doing a very normal, filmed Russia Shana celebration. Where you walk in, hug someone you've never met, learn their first name, sit down, get introduced to Kugel. Yep. And sit there and it's... So Abdul is doing the thing. It hurts a little. It hurts a little. Adul is doing the thing of politicking. He's trying to, you know, stop this coordinated effort by the, you know, a lot of the institutional Jewish community in Michigan to paint him as an Islamic fundamentalist fucking anti-Semite.

And so he's doing what I think he thinks he has to do. And what, you know, it might be true. He somewhat needs to do. Right, as part of the process of campaigning. But it's really atonement, and it's atonement that, like, if it's done in this way, it's like, you're atoning to the wrong people. I mean, this is, this is what he's stuck in right now. Is there anybody who will say I wasn't going to vote for him, but then I saw him eat a Kreplah. You see, this is the thing.

I don't know the answer to that. My initial thought would be, no. Anyone who is being poisoned against him on this sort of like religious or sort of like racial grounds on it is getting enough propaganda to fight against what is, you know, even looked at by me as sort of a cynical move. At the same time, I am not fundamentally against politicians who are, you know, I would rather this, I suppose, than politicians who are in general, you know, just being like, no, fuck this entire community. you don't want that either, I guess. So, you know, I understand it, at least from sort of a campaigning standpoint. But of course, when this shit fucking happens, you are still going to be attacked by the fucking Hussbarus, who are going to do something that I find infinitely more disgusting, I think,

than, you know, what you've, I mean, maybe similarly discussing what they do to Bradlander, which is instead of trying to, you know, call him a capo or whatnot with Abdul, they're actually just attacking the family that let him in. And this is... And also there's just no amount of bowing and scraping that is enough for people who want to character assassinate you like this. Like, yeah. He, you know, he could convert and wouldn't be Jew friendly enough for them.

You know what I mean? Yes. Yes. And what's worse is that you have like, you know, You have Jews calling other Jews, not Jews, because of this shit. And I always find that to be the most disgusting. Here is someone who is a, according to his account, Noah Pollack is a Trump admin appointee serving a senior advisor in Office of Terrorism and Financial Intel at Treasury and Office of Secretary of Education. Views my own. Well.

Noah Polack. Yeah, exactly. Just because you add an extra L to it, man. That's right. Yeah, he's a senior director of submarine screen door installation for the Trump administration. See, top senior advisor to other Polacks trying to screw in a light bulb. So here is what he said. He said, Strangest Post doesn't mention that Missy and Elaine, how cute that's in parentheses, are in fact JVP activists, fake Jews.

support Hamas, endorse October 7th, and collaborate with the DSA. Minor quibbles, though. Oh, yeah, it's true. Actually, I remember I did watch that, you know, that Hamas footage of them, you know, beheading 400 babies. 400 babies, yeah, that's right, yeah. Reviving Hitler, Frankenstein style with electricity. And at the end of it, it said, we're Missy and Elaine, and we endorse this message.

That's right. That's right. It was very famously. But, you know, also, you know, it's like minor quibbles, though. I'm sure all three of them had a super meaningful and authentic Russia Shana. It's just like you've got, you've got these Trump administration officials who are, you know, spouting off some like just, I mean, sorry, but it's straight up. It is just anti-Semitism to look at Jews who are against genocide, inviting Abdul al-Sayyad into their home for Russia Shana and just saying, like, fake Jews. They love dead Jews.

They love October 7th. They're Hamas. Fake Jews. This is, this to me is actually, you know, anti-Semitic. And it is something that you would hope distinguishes the criticism between Republicans and Democrats, right? You'd hope that the difference between these two parties in terms of criticism of this candidate is one is doing open Islam. homophobic and, you know, anti-Semitic panic bullshit. And the other has got some policy different.

No. Right. And one is going to push his ultra-Zionist Republican opponent in the Senate race in November. And the other isn't. Right. Right. And it is just, of course, classic Democrat to watch these types of tactics being adopted and not even adopted, but straight up.

I mean, they're being created by the fucking, like, Democratic Party think tank class. Yeah, it's like any anyone you can slime, I can slime better. Exactly. And they're doing it first. And they're pretending as if Republicans are going to be the ones who are doing this. It's why they like, and we're going to get into this after the break, but it's why they keep attacking Abdul for Hassan Piker is they, They won't say out loud. Why are you campaigning with Hassan Piker, you know, who I think is an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist?

Although, I mean, they do do that out loud too. But they'll be like someone who the Republicans will accuse you of supporting, you know, because of he loves 9-11 and stuff like that. They always bring it back to the Republicans will say when it's them who are saying it. And we'll get into more of that. But first, we got to take a little break, guys. We got to take a small, tiny break. Fair enough. I'm exhausted.

I'm spent. That's right. So everyone, stick around. Go pee-pee. Go poo-poo. We'll be right back. And we're back as bad as bar. The World's Most Moro podcast.

And we got to talk a little bit about Mr. Hassan Piker, the, you know, the Turkish streamer who is poisoning the American body politic through ab workouts or whatever. How has nobody called him a Turkish delight? Oh, shit. Someone's got to have called him a Turkish delight. I was just about to make a Turkish delight, sir.

Well, there we go. See? He's a Turkish whatever. A Turkish defright. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. A Turkish de, not going to work here anymore. Sorry, that was a, that was a Turkish. office space reference.

Anyways. So in order to talk about him, we first have to talk about something Abdul al-Said said recently on MSNBC, which is called MSNBC. I'm not going to call it that. Is that all right?

Much to the chagrin of Bill Gates. We call Twitter Twitter. Yeah, I just like, I'm not going to, I'm not changing the, I don't, I'm calling MSNBC because that's what it is. Sure. MS soon. Yeah, MS soon.

MS, if not now, when? MS if not now, when? MS, now, now, now. That was my impression of, what's his name, who played Lincoln, who was also Daniel Day Lewis, doing Lincoln. No, no, no, that's how he spoke. It was a very weird accent. Anyways, Abdul al-Said went on MSNBC and finally caved somewhat.

to the pressure that has been, you know, unrelenting. And he caved by saying that he had no future plans to campaign with Hassan Piker, which I'm like, is like half of a cave, I guess, because I don't, you know, I don't actually think there was any plans for them to continue campaigning together. But it became a full cave when he also admitted that he was going to be campaigning with Kamala Harris and I have that video. Not only

am I not going to campaign with someone who likes Palestinians. I'm going to campaign with somebody who fucking hates them. Yeah. So here is this clip. If you look back to 2024, one of the hardest issues to deal with was the genocide in Gaza.

And I was proudly supportive of uncommitted because I understood that I wanted the party to understand that this was going to be a devastating situation for a lot of folks because our tax dollars were being used to subsidize the worst things that should have been used to invest in the best things. Now, the moment that President Biden called out of the race and Vice President Harris had become the nominee, I endorsed her, and I endorsed her because I understood that whether you saw this race from the eyes of a child

in Detroit, who I was responsible for as Wayne County's health director, or the eyes of a child in Gaza, that Donald Trump was going to be worse. We've got a large, diverse community. We're not Alaska. And a lot of folks in the black community from whom I've heard said, you know what? You know, we believe you. But if the vice president said it, we might believe her a little bit more because, of course, she was the one who is the candidate. He's also, boy, he's lost all his Riz. I know.

I mean, I'll be real with you. But he's kept all his Obama. Yeah. He definitely is, I mean, he's up in the Obama quotient in the way that he is sort of carrying himself here. I don't think he's gone full Obama. At some speeches, when he gets into the cadence, it's very... It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. I can't... I really can't stand the...

He's really working the folks muscle, too. Yeah, guys. You know, it's... It's okay to say people. It's okay to say people. Yeah. It's okay to say voters. You don't have to say folks every time. Yeah. Let me be clear. You don't have to talk like this. But, you know, so this was something where his explanation is essentially like, look, there's people in the black community who still like Kamala Harris and trust her. And they would believe me more when I say that these attacks that I, you know, am anti-Black or that I am anti-democratic party or anti-Kamla Harris are fake. and they would trust it more if they heard it from her.

To which I would say, like, number one, I don't really follow this idea that automatically the amount of people who like love Kamala Harris, if she comes out to campaign with you, are automatically going to be in support of you, as if they wouldn't already against a right-wing Republican campaign. candidate. Like, to me, the Democratic base is, the Democratic base is going to vote for the Democrat. That's kind of like sort of how it works with this like electoral politics. Also, at this stage of the election, who is it that you think you are going to win over by

this sort of tic-y-tack? Like, look, who's standing next to me, so I must be okay. Like, you're, I don't think that anybody who is hardcore against El-Sayed over this issue is going to be swayed by Kamala Harris. I agree with that. And aren't there better black politicians or figureheads in Michigan that he could, like, was she a clear winner for them? Like, I don't know the numbers, but apparently she did worse in the black community than Biden did in 2020. Right. Because it was the administration. and, you know, a whole lot of other things,

not specifically the person, like, is Kamala Harris herself a slam dunk in that community? I don't know. That's my question, too. And I also, I look at this and I go, so this seems to hinge on the idea that there are a bunch of Kamala Harris supporters who just, like, she is so much of an exciting person

that they will come out because, Kamala is coming. And then they'll hear about Abdul for the first time and support him. And I'm like, is that a huge? To me, it all just seems like they are placating this one narrative that exists that is being pushed out by both Democratic Party establishment figures and by the Republicans, which is that pro-Palestinian Arabs are inherently anti-black that they hated. Kamala Harris because they are anti-black. And he is just trying to, he's trying to swat away that narrative by capitulating to it. And I hate that.

I mean, that's not to say- Tapper primary. Yes, yes. And it handcuffs him from, I mean, someone in the black community asked him about anti-black racism in the Arab community, you know. And fair enough, I'm not a part of either group, so I can't really speak to it. but it handcuffs him from being able to say, yeah, there's a lot of animosity between these groups,

and I don't understand it, and I want to quash it. Instead, he has to be like, you know, I've always spoken out against, like, he can't name that during the genocide, there was a lot of animosity going in the other direction, too. Right, specifically the Democratic Party establishment using their figureheads, their black figureheads specifically,

to denigrate pro-Palestine activists, especially in the Arab community and especially in Michigan, especially in Dearborn. And to erase black pro-Palestine advocates, especially of the younger generations. Yes, erase them completely. It also puts Kamala in a position to be interviewed and to sell Syed out and say like,

well, on this issue, obviously he's wrong and I'm right. Right, exactly. Her power she does not deserve. Right. And, but, you know, it is like the, you know, excuse me, I'm speaking type of animosity that went that way. It went that way towards Arabs and Muslims and the residents of Dearborn. That is, it was, and it was used as a cudgel, especially black identity and black figureheads within the Democratic Party establishment used a lot of the times their, position as a, you know, representative of the black community in order to attack pro-Palestine

advocacy and advocates as not just anti-Semites, but also anti-Black because they wouldn't support Kamala Harris because she said she wanted to like, you know, continue arming Israel and continue fucking, you know, like, it was, it was very clear that they were pulling sort of an identity politics sort of, you know, rugpole or whatever you fuck you want to call it. But anyways. Can I just insert something there? Please. I wonder if he's doing a reverse Democratic Party thing.

You know how the Democratic Party always assumes they've got black voters in their back pocket and they can just take them for granted? Always assumes they've got progressives in their back pocket and they can take it for granted. I wonder if at this point, Abdul Sadi's people are like, well, we've got Arab voters in our back pocket. We've got pro-Palestine people in our back pocket. Don't worry about it. Now we need to lean, you know, we need to err on the other side. And I think that is right.

And it might be true as far as this November goes, but when, which is probably the, you know, short-sightedness in politics is the name of the game. You win the game you're currently playing. You don't think about the season or the long-term. But it's really nauseating to think of a candidate that's, just like, you know, Zoran,

but Zoran sold out considerably less, I would say, than Abdullah-Sai. is giving indications that he might, because Zoran's already in power. And he got all the way to power by sticking to his guns on most things. I don't like him saying he's not going to even show up to the protest for Netanyahu, after all that brouhaha over, you know, I'm going to arrest him if I can. But I just don't like the feeling of watching someone take any group of voters for granted.

Well, I mean, that's the thing. It's like the centrist pivot that candidates do after they win the primaries and whatnot. And it's like you can, there's, you know, there's two. ways of looking at this. There's one as like, uh, this is selling out. And then there's the other way of going, this is like strategy. We wanted to, you know, I wanted to bring in Hassan Piker's thoughts on this, which felt to me a little bit like he's sort of coping a little bit with the idea that like this is something, you know, El Cahed is now, um, uh, like saying he won't campaign with him and is he's not fully throwing. I don't think Hassan looks at this as he's throwing me under

the bus. But I think he's looking at it as like, hey, look, this is the name of the game. This is how politics works. Hassan might be relieved at the prospect of, like at this point, all of the, all of the suris that is incurred from stepping onto the, the campaigning battlefield and all that, which probably isn't his favorite thing to do. He did it out of a sense of purpose and solidarity. Right. It's so fraught now that I, you know, there might be, he's not saying it, but there might be a certain degree of relief.

Like, no, guys, it's all right. Good. I want out. Good. Yeah. Yeah. And the way he puts in here is a little different. The question always is, do you want to win?

And if you want to win, you have to do this, okay? I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I think it's a good idea. And I want Obama to come out and stand for Abdul too. As long as Abdul sticks to his principles on the issues, on the issue of Israel, this operation is not indicative of him shying away from his values or pivoting. to the center. So what so here's all right so there's a couple of things one is I actually agree with you I think there's a little bit of he's like a little bit relieved to be off of the uh you know it's like

okay good yes just just get it get it out of my fucking hair because I wish you would say that then I agree with that but also I think it'd be stronger if he said it there is something else that I was thinking of is like you know the Democratic Party is essentially. setting up Abdul to lose by constantly attacking Abdul and his Asan association, pretty much almost exclusively, right? And propping up these like anti-abdual voices in the Jewish community who are saying, oh, I'm a Democrat, but I think I'm going to vote for a Republican for the first time ever. And they're supposed to represent. And he does not want to become Hassan Sarandon for the next 30 years. So I think that.

there is part of it too where he's looking at it. It's like, oh, good. Actually, I'm really glad that now he can, you know, he can campaign with basically Abdul's version of Liz Cheney. And we'll see how that goes. And this way- I've done my part. And he has done his part.

Yes, yes. This way, if he loses, it's like, well, which was the problem here, right? Because they're going to blame Hassan anyways if he loses. They want, they want Abdul to lose. So they can blame Hassan's. And Hassan is not just Hassan. Hassan is the entire left. He is the representative.

He is the figurehead chosen by the, you know, APEC bought, you know, political cronies. And also, you know, pro-Israel lobbied fucking 24-hour news networks and Democratic Party mouthpieces. They also want to take him out before the next general because they see him as a major boon to AOC and her potential run. There's that. They see, I think it is more to the point they see her, they see him as basically being a case study in whether or not, this is a test run for whether or not the left has the kind of motion that can't be stopped even with millions of dollars from APEC, even with millions of dollars from the pro-Israel lobbies. And even, you know, so like they are going to, they're going to make a lot. him the face of the left. And if the left loses, then they can say it's because it was the left. You see, it doesn't work. It's annoying a little bit to me, you know, I think. We cut their legs out from under them and somehow they couldn't run a race.

Yeah, it's very strange. I think, I think Hassan is, you know, dealing with this in a way where he's trying not to, I think, take it personally, but I'm not going to try to psychoanalyze the guy. I will say this about him. He is someone who does elect electoral politics. He's someone who campaigns with people. He's someone who tries to get, you know, phone bank set up. He tries to, he's a kind of a get out the vote type of figure on the left, which is something that, you know, I guess gets more flack, I think, than sort of maybe our version of the left, which is like the chirping version, the version of the left that has a lot to say about how things are and not necessarily stumping for candidates, right? And because of that,

there's politicking that he himself has to do, which can, when those worlds bleed, it can, it can be a little bit hard to maintain, I think, your political ideological integrity, right? You know what I'm saying? I completely agree with you. He's in a very hard position. He didn't sign up for this originally. You know, a Twitch streamer does not have this as the plan. He's a victim of his own success in some ways. And I'm not going to hold him to the same standard.

I'm going to hold... In fact, I'm not going to hold him to any standard, except I want a public spokesperson, an ally, to be thinking clearly and speaking clearly. And what he said in that clip, I would constructively critique in the following way. I think it's disingenuous

to come out and conclusively say, no, he needs to do this. Do you want a win or not. Who have we heard that from? And in service of what? We heard it to kneecap Bernie multiple times. We heard it to ignore Biden's genocidal administration, which we know even more about now, thanks to them coming out and doing their own shooting and crying, you know. And so we've seen it over and over again. We've seen it when it comes to all kinds of policy debates within the left. No, you have to compromise now, play the long game and, you know, something, something, something, concessions later. Something, something, something, you know, third.

You know, five-dimensional chess. The left will win. It just doesn't work that way. So that's number one. Number two, you talk about he's not abandoning his principles by pivoting to the center. That's, I'm sorry, that's, I think that's really naive. You at least have to acknowledge it sure looks like he could be abandoning his principles. You don't know that.

Right? And it's the same kind of people who assure us that AOC is not indicating, giving strong indications that her actual trajectory, her actual target where she wants to be and where she's willing to sacrifice anything to be is in the center of the Democratic Party. Very soon after promising to bring the ruckus to said party, she calls Nancy Pelosi Mama Bear. She disparages people encouraging folks to vote as racist, misogynist, violent people, all of this shit, right? These were indications, and the people who read those indications as a sign of her pivoting to a more insipid, less substantial, less principled. In fact, it's not even that she violated her principles. She showed up, her principles evaporated. They were right. They were right. And the evidence is they're not. And excoriated at the time too. And absolutely excorated. So what I'm saying is the confidence with which, to me, it's just over coping. I think the more, I think the more honest thing to say, without knowing Hassan very well and while respecting the guy, would have been, A, honestly, guys, my role in this thing might be over. Hassan can no longer afford to be associated with me. I'm proud of what I've done.

I'm going to continue to do what I can from in the background to support him, which he has said at other times. And then to say, we're going to have to see him. We're going to have to hold his feet to the fire because there's enormous pressure on him. And associating with Kamala, yeah, I've got qualms about that too. That's a big deal. and it could have big consequence. I'm really hoping it doesn't.

I don't see what you lose other than access. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think that whether or not he, you know, this is the problem with looking at, I think, at clips in general of him is that he speaks, you know, for fucking eight hours day or whatnot. So it's like, I'm not sure if he's also touched on that. I know later in that clip he does talk about how it is something we see very often. and people, they get to the, you know, past the primaries and they start pivoting to... I always watch his streams on 60 times speed.

To get through it as fast as possible. But it still takes me two hours to listen to, so I don't always get through it. Yeah, but like, you know, so I know I know that he does touch upon those things. I would say that the big issue that I think you and I both share with this is, yeah, the general certainty has said this is something you have to do in order to win period but also to win the black vote. I think that Hassan is, I think he's politicking a little bit when it comes to talking about whether or not this is going to be useful for the black vote. I don't think that Kamala Harris is a, I mean, she's not.

an unpopular figure. I don't know what the polling shows, but I don't think it's necessarily the figure that's going to help whitewash whatever he's worried about here. I think those attacks are largely done in bad faith, but, you know, Hassan does say that he's seen on the ground. There are people who, in the black community, who do support Kamala Harrison, do want to have clarification as to whether or not, you know, he, uh, you know, has the support of this type of democratic establishment. I, but they're going to go at him over uncommitted then. They're going to be like, no, no, no, of course. I agree with you. They're not going to go out of him over anti-black racism in the Muslim community. They're going to go over, no, no, of course.

Why did you kneecap our candidate? Of course. I don't know whether or not, uh, a lot of this bears out in polling or what the data anyone is seeing here. Um, I will say that Hassan is starting a really interesting needle right now because he is doing, he did an interview that I want to talk about with two people from MSNBC. It was Simone Sanders and it was Eugene something. V-Debs. What is it looked like a, yeah, not V-Debs. A guy who looks like a Jordan Peel character from that sketch where they named,

you know, all the NCAA football players, you know, Jamarius. All right. Quack, quack. Yeah. He does. He's got that perplexed look. He does look like they're both doing a look. And he does look like sort of a Jordan Peel character.

That said, Hassan is spreading a very interesting needle right now in which he is trying to talk to these establishment figures like Simone Sanders and Eugene. Simone more specifically, who have sort of taken on the like, oh, I'm going to be sort of the base of the Democratic Party, you know, black representative of, yeah, the Democratic base of the party. And because he is trying to both speak about his own personal views and ideology, while at the same time not dismissing out of hand the way I think a lot of leftists do, especially white leftists, the perspective of, you know, black liberals, black Democrats, you know, so because of that,

he is being put in these positions where I think he is trying to not just be like, nah, that's a bunch of bullshit. I do think an earlier version of Asan was a little bit more hostile to, the ways in which people try to use this sort of deference politics in order to, you know, stop people from having these conversations. But I think because of his now raised profile, he is, again, suit us on, has to be, I think, a little bit more, he has to play politics a little bit more. He has to pivot, pivot to conciliation and.

And I don't necessarily. and well-rounded thinking. I'm not disparaging it. Yeah, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can see him doing it in real time. I don't necessarily disagree with it because I think that, you know,

while I do think he could also, I think he could clarify, there's one other way of doing this, which is going, I'm a fucking entertainer. Can we stop treating me like I'm a fucking, like political DC lobby person? I'm a fucking entertainer.

I go in here and do dick jokes. He says that sometimes, but I'm like... Yeah, he has done that. He has done that. But there's part of me that goes like, he's in the unfortunate position of not being like a comedian. Because any one of these fucking right wing fucks or any comedian in general doing a podcast, you know, is able to be like, I'm a comedian.

I'm going to do jokes about things sometimes. Don't hold me to that standard. I think he has said I'm a streamer and whatnot, but I don't know. There's a little bit of, like, you know, he's not. He's not a comedian. He's, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he is an entertainer, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, he's, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, or, or, or, or, or, or, or simon Sanders. I mean, he doesn't really get invitations, yeah, he's, right. I mean, I also think he's in a weird chrysalis right now where, like, he is going to emerge the, like grown up

version of Hassan. Yeah. And I don't think we know exactly what that is. It's like... It'll be pipe Hassan. Yes. Cardigan Hassan.

But I will say this. He's done his sex pistols. He's becoming public image limited. Yeah, yeah. And here's the thing. I will say this about him. I think his strategy, at least when it comes to the way he's now speaking about it,

actually worked really fucking well on this fucking podcast. He did a good job in this case. Because he did not take the bait of being mad and he let Simone Sanders dig her own grave. And here is some, some clips of that. The reason why I make this intentionally provocative statement is to challenge the previous. This is the statement that he thinks that Israel's a thousand times worse than Hamas. Implicit biases that many Americans have that are sympathetic to the Palestinian plight, but not exactly understanding of why Palestinians fight back or even aware of the internationally

recognized right to resist that the Palestinian resistance has. There are a lot of people that hear you say that and say, oh my God, he's endorsing violence. I think endorsing violence is no different when people say that they, you know, the Israel has a right to defend itself. That is. Yes. Sorry, just a lot of people is the byword for, this is what I think. Yes.

Or this is what the consultant class believes. This is what the powers that be want to pretend is a huge portion of people. Exactly. And, you know, people get away with, a lot of people get away with saying a lot of people. Yes. Without giving any sort of backup for that, like any data, you know? Yeah. Such and such poll says that this percent of people, you can just say a lot of people and that kind of washes over the lack of data. Yeah, so that the people watching at home could be like, oh, do a lot of people think that? Well, I guess I think that too, because I'm just one of the... I'm a people.

I'm a people and I guess I think that. Yeah. Anyways, it is continued. Israel is the most moral country in the Middle East that it's a democracy. It's an apartheid. It's no different than the way that people argued. Can I just go back?

But that's not my question. I don't want to like, I'm not talking about Netanyahu and the state of Israel. All right. So I'm going to pause there for a second because her immediately going, whoa, whoa, whoa, can you, I'm not talking about that. You sound like you're endorsing violence when you say that, you know, occupied people have a right to resist.

I don't want to hear about who they are resisting. I don't want to hear about... Or why they're resisting or whatnot. I want you to respond to this claim that a lot of people are saying that you sound like you love violence. Say that occupied people can resist and it's okay. Yeah. And I'd also very much like it if you wouldn't make any historical analysis. Right.

And speaking small. And certainly not draw any parallels between anything that I might personally be able to resonate with in terms of my own people's history. I would rather not confront uncomfortable resonances between the Palestinians are put through in terms of the expectation that they should take their plight peacefully and tranquilly. And anything that say the black community in the United States might have ever been expected to do. I mean, this is the thing is like he goes on. on to clarify this. And the result is the same, which is Simone Sanders is like, please stop talking in these full sentences and just say a soundbite that I want, which is, I endorse violence.

I love Hamas. Please just say that and stop comparing it to things. You know, it occurred to me this week that I'm shocked that the Hasbaras haven't come up with Hassan Piker Hamas liker. Yeah, I know. It could be a children's book, you know. I like that. I like that a lot.

I mean, they've definitely called him Hamas Piker before. Hamas Piker. Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker, Hamas Liker, sort of a Turkish version of William T. Reicher. Uh-huh. You know. Yeah. That's sort of a, there once was a man from Nantucket sort of thing going on.

All right. Here. Here. Once was a man from Istanbul. Yeah. All right. Here we go. Yes, my question is, do you, it sounds to me like you, it sounds to me like you

are endorsing violence for because you think it's justified on this particular issue and somebody would that's how I heard it I know that's how other people have heard it and so do you understand other people literally the Israel lobby I'm sorry but what do you talk about other people have heard it clearly my clearly my perplexed and silent co-host is thinking it that way I know how to read his facial expressions he doesn't say much but I know he's hearing it that way oh man yeah that that's how people hear it. And is that what you are endorsing? Structural violence and state violence is oftentimes made to be invisible. So when Israel as a state is operating its normal state functions, and sometimes it can come across as excessive,

right? It's not seen as violent. It's no different than when people protest against police violence and police brutality. It's never violent when the police actually released to your guess on protesters, it's violence if the protesters use leaf blowers to blow that tear gas back at the police. I'm going to let Eugene move on, but I just want to note it sounds like the example that you just gave that the people who are protesting the police are Hamas. And I just would reject that as somebody who has protested the police before, but we can move on. It is, it is. Why won't you agree to the thing I am trying to paint you with? Yeah, I made up a thing that I said you believe and I want you to say that yes, you believe it.

It is so... I know there's some way he could have gone at that a little bit more directly. That would have left less room for that, but it doesn't matter. He did a lovely job. You see, to me, I have to look at these things through

what ultimately serves the purpose here. And I will say, I have been kind of blown away by the response to this. Simone Sanders has been getting reamed. by a lot of people on, you know, TikTok and Twitter and Instagram. These are young black influencers and creators.

And some are just, you know, people who just make occasional videos are not by no means like professional black influencers who are all watching this. And the worst, like, you know, I guess the most, the worst thing they could say about Hassan is, you know, I really wish you wouldn't let this white boy explain to you to sellouts, our own history. And they were all, you know, talking about this in a way, which is like, we need to look at how this was handled because this is a very clear instance of black faces and high places won't save you type stuff.

And I'm watching this as, you know, some fucking white dude. And I'm just like, I. I am so glad that people watching this can see how deeply cynical this is. And how, I mean, it's part of the strategy to defame the left to have these establishment figures. And Simone is nothing but an establishment figure. She was literally in the Biden administration. It's so funny because she started out as Bernie's was in Bernie Sanders' campaign. I know.

He must be so disappointed in his biological daughter. Yeah, I know. And his biological daughter, Simone, has totally gone off the rail. But it's like, Simone Sanders, and people have been pointing these clips out, has said as much as, like, it is a little bit ridiculous that every time someone criticizes a state of Israel, everyone is called anti-Semitic. She said on CNN. She's had these positions before. All nuances lost at this point for the very clear purpose. And people are seeing that.

And I just have to say, like, when it comes to function, when it's the function of propaganda, the function of adjutop, I see the, or I judge how it went by what function it ended up serving. And in this case, it served a really important function, which is to look at these propagandists and say, like, they're clearly. pretending to be stupid. They're pretending to not understand that the point that he is making and trying to instead whittle it down to a soundbite about being pro-hamas and pro-violence. And, you know, to that, I say like, fucking kudos to Hassan for not, I think, taking the bait of being contentious when someone is being so. so openly bad faith with you.

I agreed. I think I've just come upon where the place where I would coach him to do it a little differently. I think he should take Jasper Nathaniel's line around. Which is that all peoples have the right to self-defense. Put Hamas aside. Put Hamas aside and name the actual crimes. Don't talk about state violence. Talk about the actual crimes in the West Bank right now. Talk about the genocide in Gaza and say that do you, Simone Sanders, expect the Palestinians to silently and peacefully and obediently submit and just languish and die in concentration camps and in Bantu stands. Is that a reasonable expectation? If it's not a reasonable expectation, then we need to have a

different conversation than the one you're trying to goad me into. We can talk about tactics. We can talk about particular groups. That's fine. But the thing that's never acknowledged is that Palestinians are full human beings with the same right to self-defense that black slaves had, that Malcolm X claimed for African Americans. I think now you're standing on positive principles rather than sort of, I don't know, jorganistic analysis. I just thought he got a little bit into the weeds. I think he's playing to an audience that he knows that he has to be a little bit more thoughtful around and not so easily reactive.

And I think he's correct in that assessment because I think if he had gone confrontational, yes, there's people who could have been like, good, thank you, finally. I think there's also a lot of people would be like, can you please you know, not yell at this black woman on our own podcast? I'm not saying to yell. I'm not saying to yell. No, no, I know you're not. I know you're not.

I'm just talking about like... Go at the principles. There's a way in which he's communicating that I think is that it works. Well, look, as one black audience member to another, we can disagree. That's right.

You and me, you know? I think there's different. ways to express our bloods. That's true. That's true. None of the three of us has been under the laser for two solid months. I was just going to say that. That's the most important thing.

That's the most important thing. Yeah. I freeze up at the easiest of times. Yes. I find myself in that position too where I go, this is what I would have done. And then I just remember all the times that I didn't do what I would have done. But you know what? That's my right as someone in the peanut gallery.

As long as I got peanuts left in the bag. And every time someone subscribes to our channel, the peanut vendor comes around and gives me more peanuts. Fuck yeah. And I eat those peanuts and I spit out the shells and guess the fuck what? You're going to have to dance over them. Before we get out of here, we'll see if it's the final Ed Shearin update. But Ed Shearin. We're going to get this in in five minutes?

Oh, you goddamn right. I'll get it in five minutes. All right. I better not interrupt. Check this out. Ed Sheerin, he a bitch. It continues. this saga because he was in Philadelphia.

It was his first show since everything went down, since the firing of McElmore and him being abandoned by all of his opening acts, including his backing band. He was completely left in the lurch and alone. His ticket sales did a nose dive. Here's just a quick headline. Ticket sales for Ed Sheeran's loop tour have dropped off dramatically after McElmore controversy.

Scalpers are now selling tickets for lower than purchase. purchase price just to try to get rid of them. Ed Scheran, we'll be renaming the tour, the Loopsie Daisy tour. Yeah, exactly. And I loop. And, you know, not only where the sales down, but also in an unprecedented move, refunds were offered. So ticket sales, you know, drop down to face value and below prices and people are

getting fucking refunds. So he went on stage and he was like, you know what, once and for all, it's time for me to address this and it's time for me to say what I feel about things and he said this. And it's time for me to name the true victims, I mean victim. Yes. And it was time for me to read this from a teleprompter. Here we go. I want to address the question of where I stand in situation in Israel and Palestine and whether my doing this concert here tonight implies where I stand. I have tried in my career not to be a political commentator of any kind because I want my music and shows to be about unity, not division, about humanity, not politics. Except when it comes to Ukraine in Russia and other allowable topics. Shout out to SNL UK for one of the best weekend update

segments I've ever seen. If anyone hasn't seen it, we don't have time to play it now. It is so good, yes. The joke about his eyes. Ed Sheeran, shown here looking at both sides of an issue. Yeah, and it just shows his cock eyes. All right, here we go. A humanitarian issue, and I cannot hide how I feel about it anymore. What happened in Israel and at the Nova Music Festival on October 7th was horrific and

compounded centuries of Jewish pain. What is happening in Gaza is catastrophic and unjustified. The issue of disproportionate. My heart has been broken by the scale of devastation. Pots. The issue is with the proportions. That's right. That's mainly if it was proportional more, I would be okay with it.

Yeah. One, two, three, four, we don't want your disproportionate war. Five, six, seven, eight. Get those damn proportions straight. Yeah. One, two, three, four, we don't like your ratio. Exactly. Being a political move,

having my exact politics. Other people's politics are political. My politics are apolitical. Yes, it is, yes. Oh, God. Civilian's lives. Children's lives. And the systemic injustice

we're seeing unfold in the West Bank cannot be overlooked. I am already speaking to people across the spectrum to work out how to make a contribution that helps victims. Sorry, when you said across the spectrum, I thought of a different spectrum.

Yeah, it's autism spectrum. I'm already talking to people across the immorality spectrum. The artism spectrum. The carotis spectrum. To see if the guys and children would like puzzles or chew to trains. I just want to say, I think everything. Whatever you think, just don't be mad at me. I think it too. Yeah, I think good things are good and bad things are bad.

These terrible times and listening and learning, learning because I do not know enough. I honestly am so grateful that you're here tonight with me. This concert is still a place where everyone is welcome. Well,

almost everyone. There's one person who is... Macklemore or less. Right, McLemore or less, everyone's welcome. Man, okay. Before we get out of here, I just feel like,

Like, I don't like, I don't like talking shit about a crying guy. Like, an already crying guy to me is too easy of a target, right? And later on, he does just full on cry. I'm just going to play a little bit more of this. Sorry. Come on. This is sexist. We love, everyone loves to go out white women's tears.

That's true. That's true. Which is supposed to, which is supposed to inoculate him against mockery because it's harder for men to cry. Yes. Fuck off. That's right. So here is a little more cry. You're crying.

Sitting and crying. You're sitting and crying. It's like shooting and crying's cousin. This is more like shitting and crying. Yeah, exactly. Number two, doing a boo-hoo. The world is a scary place right now. America is a scary place right now.

This gives hope. This gives hope. Thank you so much. The one thing that I would like to apologize Now this is where it gets fucking insane. I've seen some weird shit in my life, but I don't think I've ever seen someone apologize for an apology so quickly after making an apology.

It's the first bit of the show where it wasn't about music and I had to talk and I understand that people have children here and I understand the families didn't buy a ticket to hear that first bit of the show but that was something I felt like I needed to say. I felt there was a lot of questions that I needed to answer. What? I understand that there.

There are children in Gaza, and I don't want you to think about them at all. Yeah, I just, I mean, bro, you, you did an apology that was in a fucking teleprompter. And afterwards, I also, I just want to apologize about that first bit that wasn't a song, the bit where I said, I must speak. I know there's kids in the audience. What do you mean? It's all, like, part of his thing about, like, I don't talk about politics because there are kids in the audience. I don't know what exactly is so political

or over the top for kids like beyond the pale for kids. I was going to the Vancouver Folk Festival as a child where there was all kinds of mad political speech. I was going to anti-nuclear. Yes. Kids go to rallies all the time. I really don't.

I truly, I don't really understand what he's saying. It's one thing to be like, you know, because I think it all. He's not apologizing to the kids. He's apologizing. sorry parents we made you Matt because your kids are going to ask you questions in the car on the way home.

I'm sorry to put you in the uncomfortable position of having to raise kids who might have questions about the injustices in the world. What kids was he talking about that are getting disprope? Disproportionate. What does it mean? And why is he talking about that instead of it's wrong?

Why was Ed crying? And it's like... Where's McLemore? Yeah, where's McLemore? It's just, did you say Ed Tieran? Is that what you just said? I'm giving you a standing ovation. That's a 10 out of 10.

Thank you. Anyways. He's kind of tyrannical. All right. Let's all do it. I'm not doing one. All right. So it's just, I'm looking at this.

And unfortunately, this is still going to, like, he's got more tour to go, which means there's more video to go. And all that's going to happen is this is going to continue. We're going to continue seeing these, you know, different versions of these apologies that he's doing. And it all ignores a fundamental aspect of what he got wrong here, which was he decided to abdicate all responsibility for the management of his own tour and decided instead to go with what the billionaire class and the Zionist elite. elites who run at least the media. No, at least three of these

stadiums. Yes. Or own three of these stadiums had to say about, he capitulated to them. That is the issue. He can remain, it's so funny to me because it's like, you know, if you want to play the,

I don't know much about politics and stuff, you can, the next part of the sentence could be, I'm just a loyal friend and I believe that I have the right to book whoever the fuck I want. That can be the end of it. But instead, the capitulation is what's talked about. People want him to clarify his actual position on Palestine. Personally, after hearing it, I don't. I wish he hadn't clarified it. What I wish he would clarify is whether or not he believes it is right for a billionaire stadium owner to decide who he can book.

and, you know, if it's for the reasons of censorship, he can add a little bit of that. But I think at the end of the day, he could have just stuck to, hey, guys, I'm sorry, but I post out, you know? Yeah, it's not that I'm apolitical, it's that I don't have principles and I like to make all of the money. Exactly. And in doing, I mean, like you said, I'm reading up a teleprompter, who wrote this for me?

Right. You know, one of Robert Kraft's AI masseuses, you know? Yeah. Right, exactly. Fucking Jesse Brown wrote this shit. Yeah. And I just, you know, I would say to him, you know, there are some who are, you know, I actually heard back from a fan of the fratcast who wrote to talk about, I talked about Ed Shearin on that.

And he was like, he basically was like, hey, he was Australian. So he called me a cunt, but in an Australian way, he thought I was being a little mean to Ed Shearin. And, you know, it's not fair and whatnot. And I guess first I would say to that, like, listen, he's worth $400 million. He can absolutely stand on principle. But second, I would say, like, let's say I take his crying in good faith. And then it's not just a very clear manipulation tactic. Let's, there is part of me that believes that he is generally upset over what happened.

I mean, being so publicly humiliated. He's stressed out. Of course. Let's say that I take all of this in good faith that he actually is crying for a good reason. he's being led astray then. The person who wrote that thing on your fucking prompter does not have your best interest in mind. Okay? That's me looking at it in total good faith.

What if he actually doesn't know nothing? It's possible. So, hey, the people around you are lying to you about this being good. Do not trust them. In fact, the only person who has your best interest in mind at this point was McElmore. He did his best for you. That's what I'll say. And you can have all the hundreds of millions.

in the world and all the fucking fans and you still have, you know, you get into that position. And let this be just a little memo to Abdul L. Said. Yes, yes. Very good point. Sorry, not sorry. All right, guys.

That has been a podcast. What a, what a time we had. Patreon.com slash baddestbarra. At baddestbarra gmail.com. For your questions, comments and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again so much for listening. And until next time from the river to the say.

Lord in heaven, please forgive me for my apology. We wanted you to be Zionists.