Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 10: Manufacturing Content with Nora Barrows-Friedman

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

This week Nora Barrows-Friedman of Electronic Intifada joins Matt Lieb to talk about the Intercept's new piece about the relationship between the pro-Israel group CAMERA and New York Times executive Editor Joe Kahn.Buy tickets to see Matt Lieb and Francesca Fiorentini headline the Punch Line in Sacramento on Sunday, March 17th at 7pm. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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You get to meet me. You get to meet my wife. My wife. All right. We've had enough of an intro for this fucking podcast. Let's talk about Hasbara and our guest today. It's just a wonderful guest. A friend of mine who I know personally,

I've known for a long time. Somebody who many of you, listeners and viewers will also know, associate editor at Electronic Intifada and also the person who does the electronic intifada live streams. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, our guest today is Nora Barrow Friedman. Wait, hold on, where are you? There you are you.

Oh, there I am. Hi. Hey, Matt Lieb. Hi, Matt Lieb. Matt Leeb. What's that? Matt Leab. Norah Barrow Breed Friedman. I, you know, like, it's great to be here and I am a big fan of yours.

I've been a big fan of yours, even before we like met and became friends. But like also your, I mean, I was waiting and waiting and waiting for an invitation to come on the Sopranos podcast. They never came. Yeah, never came. It's fine. It's no hard feelings. It's all good. It just, apparently it just takes a genocide.

for me to get on your show. Listen, listen, I usually, I have a policy where it's like, if I'm going to book someone for something, I got to make sure that a genocide is going on. And at the time, there was no genocide. So it was like, well, you can't book Nora. And everyone's alive still. And so, not real. I mean, there was, you know, it's been 75 years of ethnic cleansing.

But, you know, you know what I mean. Potato, potato, Matt Lee. Listen, Nora, I don't know if you know this, but history starts. did October 7th. I mean, that's what Kamala Harris said. Yeah, I mean, and she's right. Yeah. If there's one thing we know about our dear vice president, everything she says makes sense. She's really articulate and eloquent, poetic actually. It is poetic. Like if you like take away the like power and stuff like and how scary it is that someone like that has power. Like it's almost slam poetry. Like it's almost there's like a. It's like a. It's like a. It's like a. It's like a

it's got like a 1950s beatnik quality to it where you're just like i don't know what it means but yeah she's saying words and they're in an order that is incomprehensible whatever it's it's like jazz like the words she's not saying she's just riffing she's just riffing man sometimes you just go up there and you riff i mean i get it um but nora uh i was i was very excited as to have you on this podcast and uh i was so glad when i reached shout to you that you had been paying attention to it, which is nice, just because I've been paying attention to your work for a long, long time. And I think we've both been mutual fans of each other's. I think, you know, like anti-Zionist Jews kind of like, it's, we all know

each other. Yeah. We seek each other out. Yeah, yeah, because it's like, I don't know, it's uh it's like you when you know you're not crazy you you sometimes forget and you're just like then you talk to other anti-zionist jews and you're like we're fucking we're right right yeah we're we're not the crazy ones right they're the crazy we're on the like right side of yeah we are it's literally like when you read your history i i read my history and i've listen to the stories of my elders and you know i read for example uh the autobiography of merrick edelman who was the one of the leaders of the bundest uh you know anti zionists uh fighters in the warsaw ghetto and he was he was a staunch anti zionist and he explained why and so

that's you know those are our our elders those are our elders and it's funny i've seen kind of a resurgence of bundism sort of coming back in the united states uh among American Jews and probably internationally in the West as well, I assume. And for those of you don't know, before there was, or I guess concurrently with Zionism, there was also Bundism and this was a movement, short-lived movement in the pre-Soviet Union

during and before the revolution. And you know, it was completely in conflict Zionism because it was like, no, that is not a, that is not a solution. Right. And, and, you know, like, Marika Edelman. And, yeah, I mean, they were like, we don't, like, don't send us somewhere else to occupy someone else's land. We are Poles.

We are Russian. We are, you know, Hungarians and we belong to the country that we belong to. Right. Right. You know, this whole, like, Zionism is antithetical to humanity, but, but, and, you know, and like, it's, it's victims have been Palestinians first and foremost. But it's right. It's also very antithetical to Judaism and the Jewish people and everything. And so, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's nice. I mean, when I say resurgence, I mean, our mutual friend of ours, NATO Green, invited me to a chat group. Nice. Which is, that's sort of like joining me. Again, something I haven't been invited to, but. Oh, really? I'm sure it's just an oversight. Yeah, I mean, I'm friends with NATO. I'm like, I'm pretty chummy with NATO.

I'll tell you this right now. I didn't get invited until I happened to be next to my wife while she was on the phone with NATO planning their live show in San Francisco. And I was like, oh, you're on the phone, NATO. Hi, NATO. And then she stopped the conversation. Hold on. NATO wants to say something.

And I was, oh, do you want to, are you? No, first he said, are you a social? I'm like, you know this. And also, are you a cop? It felt like I was like, are you a cop now? I mean, those are the two questions we always have to ask before. We had anyone to a WhatsApp group now. Exactly.

And then he was like, oh, you want to join the Boond? And I was like, sure. Cool. I'm going to text him right now and see why I'm not in the Boon group. Yes. Yes. And while you're doing that, I'm going to tell people what we're going to be talking about today i mean we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about uh literally like the last pod we uh we did

was on tuesday of last week and i felt like since that day non-stop uh like just i mean i i know it's non-stop news all day every day but like i'm talking like there was stuff that i hadn't seen um i just real quick in terms of a quick social media has barra joint that i thought was a lot of fun. Apparently, like Elon Musk, he, you know, he went over to Israel and, you know, tried to whitewash his anti-Semitism through pro-Zionism. He's wearing like a little baby, like, flack jacket, right? Like, it was like a little, it was made for a little baby. Yeah, I like the little tight ones where it's just like, is there any way to like show off fucking arms well i so vile yeah and uh he uh but what i was interested in what i saw was um

apparently uh in to um honor the hostages or something i don't really know um we say captives they oh oh do we say captives we say captives to honor the captives uh they put on some sort of Tesla car light show. Oh, cool. Have you seen this? I mean, no, but I'm glad I haven't. Wow. Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm going to ruin your day. But don't worry. You'll enjoy it. Here is the Tesla Light Show. Oh, my God. I'll admit, I added Rock. Wait, I was like, is this? By Wesley Willis in the background, just to

kind of like make it pop a little more. It's perfect. Oh my God. Look at it go. Is this for real? Yeah, this is real. And this is while they're carpet bombing Gaza hospitals. Yeah, I mean, listen.

Very cool. And there's been no electricity for the last four months. I can't. We are in a dystopian hell. Yeah, well, you know, shit's bad right now, Nora. And I feel like everyone can, you know, take a break from all the, you know, atrocities, everyone except for obviously the victims of the atrocities, to enjoy the Teslas automatically doing their lights up, you know, up and down.

I don't even know where to go with that. I just. Yeah, well, you can just, you know, you let it sink in and then you let it like embed into your soul, like a carnivorous earwig and straight into your brain and then, you know, eventually one day, you know, you're just going out for a walk and boom dead aneur my god my god i mean was barry weiss there like was that i'm sure i'm sure she was there like that seems like she would she would have such a fun time seems like her vibe that's her vibe oh 100 percent but yeah just like watching that i was just like and that was shared of course by the official twitter account of mosad cool um because you know someone's got to handle the massad social media as well you know you can't uh you can't be an israeli government

organization and not have a just a killer killer strategy online you know what i mean i hate everything me too i just yeah it is uh you know listen i have been um inundating myself with the uh social media feeds of some of you know some of these monsters and uh and it's not fun it's not fun that's the thing about it is like in order to actually uh get the uh you know you wanted to to get the like nice beautiful sweet truffle your little piggy nose has to really dig through a lot of fucking dirt and shit and um and my nose is just covered in fucking dirt and shit and it's not it's not a great life the life of a truffle pig but it is a life that is honorable you know what i mean you're providing a service i'm providing a service you know and oh my god it's the proletariat

it's like this is the work that we're doing yes i mean listen this is everyone's got to make their sacrifices somehow and i feel like mine has been um just like slowly whittling my soul down to a little nub in order to find a piece of content that is just so atrociously Hasbaraist that you, you know, that you, you die inside. You die inside, but, you know, you're sharing the death, the little death in the world. And so one of those was, this was released recently by the official account of Israel. They, you know, for the most part, I would say Israel's official account is, well, number one, it's mostly paid ads which kind of amazing that yeah yeah it's uh it's weird that like a

government can actually just buy paid ads on i mean they buy everything else right like that they sure i mean it makes sense but it's like i guess what it is is is the fact that it just when you see and it says ad you go like wait a second didn't didn't facebook get in trouble because like russia was doing this or something like that wasn't there wasn't there a whole thing but it's israel so i guess it's okay they they are the exception to every single fucking rule to every rule that's out there everything yeah and uh yeah they they put out uh mostly you know garbage that is you know not worthy of sharing but because the country itself is garbage yeah well it's not a real country it's a garbage entity with garbage people and a garbage ideology yeah well the ideology for

sure is garbage but i've met um multiple israelis who i would say um are not garbage and therefore i can safely say that all of the people there are good based on that alone yeah based on the three israelis who aren't who don't live there anymore because they know that it's a garbage a country yeah yeah they're all in like Berlin they're all in Berlin which is amazing yep yes Berlin or Berkeley Berkeley yeah but listen because they moved out of there you know I I I still you know I still I hold hope in my heart Nora I'm not jaded I still believe in love you're a good a better person than I I think I'm technically a worse person no there is no bottom No, I'm reminded that I'm the worst person on earth every single day on Twitter by my trolls.

Yeah, that's, well, you know, that's their job. That is their job. Everyone's got their job. But so Israel released this explainer for, I don't know who this explainer is for, but it was, it's about the ICJ and, you know, the lawsuit, lawsuit, the case brought against. Israel by South Africa. Yeah. And I just, I'm just going to play it so you guys can see. Did you catch the scoop on South Africa dragging Israel to the International Court of Justice over genocide?

Just a little baby. Let's, first let's start with what, what, what, what's with the baby shit? Why does it have to? A small being, Israel. I'm a small being. I'm a small being. Hey, I'm Israel. Why does everybody hate me?

Yeah. You can't hate me. I'm a child. It's like, no, you're a fucking 50-year-old man who made this cartoon. You are 100. Like, are you trying, who are you trying to convince? Who is it for? Yeah.

Who is it for? Just like the weird one with, they had a Santa, right? Yes. And the children like, what? Yes. They had an Israeli writing a letter to Santa, which, what? Right. Isn't that your whole schick?

Like that you're literally killing the Christian population in Gaza and you're like You will not allow a Christmas festival in Romola because you're like, no, this is a Jewish day. I love, but they will write a letter to Santa to and I guess I guess it was to bring back the, you know, captives. Yeah. But yeah, this is to continue this. Let's let's see where this is going. Is South Africa? really seems less about justice more about a questionable alliance with Hamas the ones behind over

1200 Israeli deaths and the kidnapping of 240 on October 7 mostly soldiers that day was brutal Hamas still has over 130 hostages including innocent babies not true but wait can we real quick pause on innocent babies mm innocent babies well they're innocent babies they're innocent if they're Israeli and they don't exist but they're not innocent if they're Palestinian because they're all Hamas. I love the

idea that they're just openly like, no there are complicit babies not every baby we haven't like put them on trial yet but we can tell some babies literally did nothing wrong but other babies how can you be social? Their existence

is a crime they're existent and also they will make that. that yeah they're they're born with anti-semitic DNA you know it's just it's a fucking fact yeah it's a fact and we have to live with it and small being baby baby israel all i want for them is to come back home but you that go for a ceasefire yeah how about you stop bombing the houses that the captives are in i can't they've killed more they i can't do that because we have to eradicate the population to make living space don't do not translate living space in German just don't do it

please but trust also thank you Germany for helping us do another genocide because you're so good at it and you're helping us do it thank you Germany I really I love the the really South Africa really like as if unbelievable like because they're like of all the states you're really going to trust south africa anyways germany's our best friend yeah if there's one thing we know about germany loves the jews famously famously historically and forever yep it is uh it's really great let's let's see where this is going oh there's more great oh it's almost all this our people are putting in tremendous effort to bring them back. Consciously minimizing harm to civilians in Gaza, and his own humanitarian aid. Oh, and South Africa, here's some food for thought. Maybe skip your theatrics at the Hague

and channel that energy into genuinely helping the Palestinians. Less cozying up to Hamas, more aid to Gaza. Who is it for? I can't. Like, I feel like throwing something. I, um, every, every single thing that they, that, that, that little baby, little baby. Yeah, everything that child said was a lie. Complete lie. You're talking about more aid to Gaza, like just to, in the five days straight, the last five days, Israelis, famously, a very, like, very, like, liberal, you know, society. Yeah, they're liberal.

They love democracy. They love gay people. They've been, um, yeah, they love helping. Yeah, they love. helping so much that they're, like, staging these insane fascist protests at the Karmia-Busalam, you know, Karim Shalom crossing, which is at, like, the very, like, the corner of Gaza between Gaza and the, and the Israeli boundary. Yeah, here we go. Right. Interview some of them that we can try and find to talk to. Some of them who came out,

but there are members from all different sides of the Israeli political spectrum. They say they're from the right. There are people from the left. Inclusive fascism. You know, that's the one thing I love about Israel in terms of, like, I love the solidarity between everyone in the political spectrum. Uniting to kill children. Yes, exactly. You know, that's, listen, I wish we had a little bit of that solidarity here in America, you know, just like all of us getting together. I mean, Nancy Pelosi is trying. I know we're trying.

You know, fingers crossed. We will do our own. All right. Some of our families of hostages, but all coming out for the simple. of saying trying to stop humanitarian aid so shoshana do you want to join me and tell us a little bit about why you came out here today why it's important for you to come here and protest why do you think they need to stop this aid well all the hate that's going in is going straight to khamas is just supporting supporting the all right i'm sorry shana is from like like pasadena straight up from

pasadena but not but still is like listen i may not have an israeli accent i may not have just moved here three years ago but she's super indigenous but i'm sure you're Super indigenous, and I do pronounce the K-H in Hamas. A mass. You got to do that. It's literally the law. That's what you have to sign a contract to do it when you make Aliyah or whatever. And they put you in a settlement colony in like Mahmoud's backyard.

That's right. The law of returns explicitly states like, yes, you can move back and displace a family. But you have to take the pledge to do the chah and Hamas. Yeah. You got to put the chah in Hamas. And this is all in English. So let's keep hearing this because this is one of them surprising things. Usually you hear this kind of shit in Hebrew.

Usually American-facing shit is not this explicit. But here we go. Well, all the hate that's going in is going straight to Hamas. It's just supporting the terrorists. I don't see any reason to support terrorism. Nobody wants that. We just want our hostages home. we want to stop khamas i don't understand why that's a problem and i don't see why the state of

israel should be supporting khamas yeah yeah oh shoshana poor shoshana yeah i mean just like the idea that you know on the one hand you have the cartoon little girl telling us about how much you know is supporting um you know uh the minimizing minimizing minimizing civilian deaths even though by the own calculations that two-thirds of the victims have been civilians that's that's the Israeli government saying right um yeah and and even though yeah the amount of aid that any aid that they do let in most of which they do not let in and or hold up or do whatever they can't they don't let in after like numerous checks right i mean they can't get insulin yeah yeah

Well, I mean, you know, you can fashion insulin into some sort of sugar bomb, I believe. Yeah, that's the logic. Yeah, I believe that's right. Oh, nice cat. Oh, thanks. That's Neruda. He just, sorry, he looks really silly right now because he just came back from the vet and he had to get some teeth pulled. Oh, so he's on that cat drugs, right?

Yeah. I love cats on cat drugs. He's high as balls right now. Dude, he is, he's going to start shaking Hamas's hands. And I'm sorry, I had to bring it back. They were all on dogs. That's why they said that it was okay. Even the cats, even the cats are Hamas.

Even the cats. See, it's like it's the fashion. They have to shave the cats for Hamas. You know what I love is one of the big things that stood out in my mind in Israel when I went there was a lot of fucking cats. Yeah, there's a lot of straight cat, like just covered in straight cats. I'm not, I assume that's because there's, there was mice, but I don't really even know. I don't know. And, and the, the, the cats in Gaza in particular, they, they're so cute.

Yeah. I remember last time I was there was a very long time ago, but. Yeah. And people are very sweet. And you see this in the videos, you know, they're coming out now. like even though nobody has any food people are like still feeding and taking care of the cats and yeah all these like little girls who and boys who you know had to evacuate from their apartments you know five six seven times now over the last four months they're still like toting their little cats around and it's just and like i just i mean i don't know i guess i guess they're not starving if they still love their cats it's all it's all a big lie and you got it's all it's all it's all

Pallywood. Yeah, it's all Pallywood. Yeah, which if you don't know what Pollywood is, I'm going to do an episode on that at some point, the, essentially the Alex Jones level, like, crisis actors theory. Total Q&ONN shit, yeah. Pull on Q&ON, right wing, like, this is why, you know, anyone who is a liberal Zionist, I just am like, I don't know what to say to you. You are just a right winner.

Yeah, you're a scumb bag, because the idea that you would be. be supporting something you actively do not support here in the United States because you believe that there should be a Jewish exception for this sort of, you know, mindset, atrocities, all that shit. Nasty. Yeah, real, real bad times, real bad shit. So you've been to Gaza. I would love to hear you talk about your experiences there.

I mean, you know, you've been in this world a long time. It's one of the reasons I've known who you are even before we met. and and you know I would yeah I would love to ask you about it I mean I started going to Palestine in 2004 as a reporter I did radio broadcast reports from there for years and years and years I used to work at KPFA here in the Bay Area and so yeah I would go like two three times a year for about a month or so at a time and do you would go to both Gaza and the West Bank mostly in the West Bank Gaza was even back then you know very hard to get into and then especially after the siege in 2006 and so I've only been once since 2006 but but the

West Bank many many times and inside 48 which is present-day Israel historic Palestine but yeah I mean that's that so when you were a journalist before you started covering that what did you did you have like a coming to Moses moment you know were you raised in Zionism were you a Zionist at one point absolutely not and it's great like for all the you know my parents are lunatics in many other ways but but they had political principles and my mom especially she issued you know they were both raised on the east coast New York I I considers my ancestral homeland and but like never you know and both of them were you know children of immigrants who spoke only Yiddish and and survived the pogroms and came over to the U.S. at the turn of last century.

And there was never, like, a lot of Israel talk in their households. They were really trying to assimilate. I guess that's what, like, our grandparents' generation were up to. But then when my mom and dad, you know, came of age and it was, like, Vietnam War era and all this stuff, they were like, oh, yeah, Israel, like, which is really, like, kind of, it's surprising. Because that is, I feel like that is not a common story, especially when, with regards to, you know, I think the way American jewelry kind of embraced Israel more so after 67 than ever. Totally, totally. Because it had this great fake narrative about, you know, Israel defending itself.

And yeah, yeah, exactly, like pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Right, yeah. And finally, like, shaking off the image. of the like cowardly you know the weak Jew right weak Jew which I know you've talked to Daniel about and that that was a fascinating discussion by the way yeah yeah yeah it's like crazy yeah he's so smart he's so smart he's very smart oh he's so smart yeah he's very smart yeah I'm smart too yeah no you're doing fine um but like yeah like there's there is a lot of that toxic you know like hyper masculinity and in the Jewish uh community

around that time. And for whatever reason, both my parents separately, they didn't meet until they came out here to the Bay Area. They just weren't interested. I love that. Yeah. So I grew up like not in any way Zionist. And in fact, like very, you know, my mom was just very staunchly anti-Zionist. So luckily, I didn't have to go through that. And I, you know, most of my friends did. yeah um because that's just kind of like the common jewish-american experience but um yeah yeah no luckily you know and she she my mom especially was like a political activist she like sent me to cuba by myself when i was 11 for a summer like that was just kind of like normal normal red diaper baby stuff i love it yeah it's great it's yeah it is i i always am heartened by um stories of people who did not

come from they came from Jewish non-Zionist or anti-Zionist families because you just you know you just don't you don't hear about it because um it's just not really right that prevalence you know people I think have been mostly you know if you were raised in you know in Judaism in in any fashion there's just kind of like a by default Zionism that comes along with it right even if you were You know, I wasn't raised religious at all. I'm from a secular mixed family. So, you know, Zionism was my, my big connection.

Zionism. Yeah. It was, you know, and I wasn't like a, like a hardcore Zionist, but I was very interested in Israeli history. And I was always, you went on birthright, right? I went on birthright, yeah. And at that point, at the point at which I went on birthright, I was, had already become sort of disillusioned with it and knew that it was going to be,

you know, like. a Hasbara trip, but I also was like, not anti-Zionist enough to say no to a free vacation. You know what I? Right, right, right. And so, but yeah, like, it is when I see anyone who is, didn't grow up in it, then it just makes me, I don't know, it's nice. It's very, it's, it is, you're welcome. I mean, it's, yeah, no, I, I, I, I'm very proud of that. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm proud of your parents. I'm proud of my parents for, And listen, I love my parents, too. I love, you know, but they, my dad, for instance, has a lot of political beliefs that I don't necessarily agree with.

But actually, he's changed a lot very recently. Good. I think that's happening. I mean, I think, and I think it's really important. I mean, I'm hearing all the time from, from especially, like, younger Jewish Americans who are having super tough conversations with their parents. and they're they're doing the thing that needs to be done. It's heartening and it's super difficult sometimes, but it's like, you know, this is like the least we can do

when there's a fucking genocide happening supposedly in our name. Like, we have to have these hard conversations. Yeah, you know, it's just one of those, it's, you know, it's one of those like, like privileged things. Yeah. Like, there is a privilege here where you can talk about it because literally the contents of your blood is such that it allows you to displace a Palestinian family based on like this fascistic law of return and like that, you know, to me, I kind of like recently started likening it to like just my experience as being, you know, kind of an ethnic Jew, you know, a cultural, secular Jew. And being like, the crazy thing is like, I'm Jewish enough to be murdered by Hitler or to displace a Palestinian family.

And that is like the kind of blood and soil nature of the Zionist project is something that is spun as a, you know, like, oh no, it's a good thing. It's like, you know, we're now using the master's tools for good. Yeah, it's great. Now, we can be the administrators of the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. Right, exactly. Exactly. That, that apparently is liberation for us. Like, it's so twisted and psychotic. It's psychotic. Completely psychotic. And it is something that I think more and more people are kind of like waking up to. And I want to bring us to our next story to talk about more wonderful Hasbara, but this is from the intercept. And this is something that I read yesterday and I wanted to share with people because

it's going to introduce us to a new main character on this show, which is called the pro-Israel media watchdog camera, which, uh, yeah, chamera, yeah, chamera, you say it correctly. You got to put the kh in chemera. That's the chmidi for accuracy in Middle East reporting and analysis. very yeah very like nebulous I mean there was a really strained way to get that acronym you know what I mean they're like we we want it to be called camera exactly find the way and so I'm going to share my screen so people can see it and this is an article written by Daniel Boggislaw Or bogus law, could be that. I bet it's bogus law.

I think it's bogus law. Bogusloff. Maybe bogusloff. I don't know. Yeah. And Ryan Grimm, that I can pronounce. New York Times puts daily episode on ice amid internal firestorm over Hamas sexual violence article.

If you guys aren't familiar with that article, that was a few weeks back. It feels like a few weeks back. It could have been a gay back. I think it was three weeks ago. Yeah. What is time? I don't know. Three weeks, three years, but yeah, three weeks. I think it was three weeks. They put out this article written by a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and a few of their other journalists over there at the New York Times, basically reinforcing the idea of the mass sexual assault used as a weapon of war,

something that has been, like, greatly debated, like, before the article and after the article. And we, along with Monda Weiss in the Grey Zone, debunked that. That's right. I mean, from the start. And the intercept article is great. It does fail to credit these, you know, us and the other independent outlets for doing the job. But, you know, it's okay.

It talks about kind of using the nebulous term critics, which all I could think of it was like you're talking about E.I. Mondalais and Gray Zone. Yeah. And yeah. So it's kind of weird. But hey, you know, the point is critics. Critics. Sure. And what it says is what we've been saying, which is that the New York Times article was built on, you know, like a made of noodles read to it by the Israeli military and these like insanely fascistic Israeli Hasbarists in Israel yeah and they're and they're what do you call it first responder teams right Zaka Zaka unit which is like this crazy like Orthodox rabbinical like corn they're not even like licensed corners or forensic right anything it's just like this like weird super right wing very genocidal like literally like a cult where i think the the founder of zaka was actually a pedophile yes he was a pedophile and i but i believe he committed suicide once that

came to i mean i hope so i yeah just no mercy for that i mean listen figures cross but yeah but then like this guy geoffrey gettelman who i hope you know is dragged to some gulag for his for his role in perpetrating these lies that are meant to provide cover for Israel's genocide. Right. I, you know, I hope that he gets the Judith Miller treatment and then some. Oh, I, what's the Judith Miller treatment? So you remember Judith Miller, who was also a reporter for the New York Times and helped sell the weapons of mass destruction, you know, yeah.

That's right. That's right. She was, but she didn't even really get that much, that bad treatment. Yeah, I was going to say, what was the treatment? She was shamed. Shame, then, I mean, is she still writing? I think she's still working. Yeah, she's still working.

So never mind. Like, she's doing fine. All of the neocons who lied us into the war in Iraq are all still around. They're doing great. They're literally still around. There's no repercussions. There's no repercussions. You can lie us into a war.

You can manufacture all the consent you want. Yes, exactly. It is allowed. But this was a story that I think was, from the beginning, I clocked this as explicitly poison-pilled because it's something in which, like, you know, reminded me of the 40 dead babies thing or beheaded babies thing where you are meant to where, to even question it will get you in trouble because you're supposed to. It's perfect, right?

Yeah, I mean, and this is something that from the beginning, I was like, nah, this is a fucking trap. I know what this trap is, and what I'm going to do is I'm going to read people whose job it is to look into this shit, who, from sources that I trust, and see what happens. And already you are seeing the results of this very quickly. You are seeing what's happening. So to continue, so apparently, so the Times report was initially heralded in an evening. emails into the newsroom conveying praise from executive editor Joe Kahn, who described the story as an example of the best kind of enterprise reporting the paper is capable of.

We'll learn more about Joe Kahn as we go along. But that message came roughly at the same time as another staff missive urging the Times employees not to criticize each other on the company's internal slack. Many reporters and editors understood that directive to be a reference. to an intense internal debate unfolding over the story, a rolling fight that is revived on a near daily basis over the tenor of Times coverage of the war in Gaza. So already in the New York Times, like internal slack.

Can you imagine being on that snitchie? Oh, I fucking, I just want someone to take a screenshot, please. Seriously, come on. I want to know. Listen, like, you, you will get called a rape apologist for retweeting this article. Yeah. Just this article by the intercept. Yeah. At the same time, people at the New York Times were questioning this.

Yeah, because it's shitty reporting. Because it's shitty reporting. And that has been made abundantly clear by people who, you know, like electronic intifada, like Mondeweiss, who looked into it and said, like, this is not based. on a foundation of anything that will hold water without a continuing investigation into this like to push publish on this article wasn't it wasn't just irresponsible um it was i think knowingly negligent and because it was trying to push this particular narrative right um and why like why that narrative at that time you know like the timing of that it was right yeah so clear

It was, you know, as all the 36 hospitals in Gaza were getting carpet bombed, as children were running out of food, and now there is a famine three weeks later, as women, you know, didn't have any, they still don't have any reproductive care. And as, you know, people were being ethnically cleansed from all sort of, from every single area of the Gaza Strip. And it was all live on take. All live on tape and people were growing here in this country were growing more and more restless and we're asking and you know we're starting to shut down Joe Biden at his you know campaign speeches. Yeah. And so they needed to manufacture this, this brilliant piece of propaganda, Hasbara, to try and and you know in some cases it worked. I mean like my mom was saying that one of her friends who's you know always been. anti-Zionist, not Jewish, but you know, anti-Zionist and anti-war and very, you know, very like, she was like, well, you know, after that report, you know, I can understand why Israel has, you know, and I was like, holy shit, you know, if that's happening to like the left, you know, hippies in Berkeley, what is it doing elsewhere around the country and around the world? I mean,

they're just like, you know, it was, it was so so mendacious, like pernicious and like evil that they did this without any evidence at all, quoting the most flimsyest and like and and like sleazyest sources they could. Yeah. And just, yeah. And doing it so clearly in this sort of like the order in which this story came in, it's just like everything has been since the seventh, or since, you know, honestly, since they started the actual incursion, you know, first with the bombing and then with the invasion, it's just been this continual retramatization cycle for anyone who was looking with their eyes at like the reign of fire and death being brought down upon people who were clear. clearly civilians, just to remind you to keep that anger, to keep like whatever you're holding

on to. And I think what was even more disgusting about the, you know, mass beheaded baby's story and this story was that they were so clearly, again, like poison-pilled. They were so clearly meant for you to because someone could yell at your face you know oh so you're okay with them doing mass rape and you as someone who's not wasn't there who's not on the ground

you know it wasn't around didn't see anything with their own eyes are put in the position of having to go like well did that happen and immediately I mean I know people who have been doxed over retweeting stuff like that like I don't trust this story

based on the the history of what Israel, the kind of Hasbarah, that's come out since the seventh, where people were getting, you know, I mean, people get docks for, and harassed for all sorts of, like, anti-Zionist opinions are just like straight up, you know, anti, slightly critical of Israel critiques, you know, right. But, like, this was so pointed. It was so poison-billed. And I just, I, you know. Yeah. No, and it really, like, it, it, it, it, it, took advantage of, especially like white liberal fantasy projections about Arab men, about Arab men, right? Arab Muslim men, where they can't, they're like savage brutes, they are sexual deviants, they cannot handle themselves around pretty white Israeli women. Yes. They have to rape them.

And, you know, I mean, this is like, it's been on steroids the last four months, but especially since, you know, 9-11 you know the this like explosion of anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia in this country in particular playing into these tropes in order to dehumanize people in the Arab world so that it's easier for us to you know to kill them contemplate killing them on mass you know a million dead Iraqis yeah which is just it's such an insane thing for a liberal to agree with completely completely because it's like wait there's no woke way to do genocide like you don't you don't you in what worlds can you be like we have to kill them because they don't believe in girl bosses or we have to kill them because they don't you know they don't

believe that imposter syndrome is a DSM 6 diagnosis it's like you don't get to mass murder people because you are like well some of them are rapists like even if and that was the same thing I said with the with the babies like even if this is true even if If every fucking word of this is true, there's no way that you can hold on to the logic that it is okay for this to be a response to that. Right, right. Absolutely. And yeah, that was the entire point. And unfortunately, because it's Palestine and Palestinians and Palestinian men who are defending their people when no one else will step in. um you know enacting a a a spectacular military operation that that was intended to um to take high level Israeli soldier captives and exchange them for the Palestinian prisoners including women and small children who are being tortured inside Israeli dungeon prisons

by the thousands by the thousands every single fucking day um you know like they needed to turn the Palestinian cause in general into a caricature, racist caricature based on disgusting lies about Arab men. And, you know, the old adage of like when you scratch a liberal, you see a fascist underneath, like it just really, right, exactly. Like that really, like you really saw that happen. I know, I know. And I think you're 100% right.

like the the the narrative um i think because of the extent of what happened on the seventh um being um like so the the scale was so big yeah um that they needed to reframe this because there there comes a point which you like look at um you know a terrorist act like that and you go like well why and when you start asking why you start getting the answer and when you start getting the answer you a little bit go like well i'm not saying it's okay to kill people to take hostages or whatever but like i don't know like once you once you start asking why um then you're like wait was it really a quote unquote terrorist attack right i think it was a very you know it was a it was a serious military operation that serious defeated the israeli southern command

I mean, within literal minutes, like minutes. And, and, you know, it's interesting. They didn't know that they would, that, that they would have such a weak ass enemy or the Israelis. Yeah. I mean, that I think was the biggest surprise. And I think that, honestly, you know, I would love to, I would love to hear. I think more is going to come out as, you know, like goes on with this fucking monstrous

bullshit. Yeah. About how much of this response, um, it was. based on not just like not just oh they did terrorism but i think the utter humiliation yeah that's it the idf exactly like being completely taken by surprise by people in fucking fanboats and like like who had been you know highly trained and skilled yeah i mean they were and under their noses in one of the like biggest like fucking technologically sound uh open air prison i mean And we had, they, they were under 24-hour surveillance.

The sound, you know, in Gaza on a daily basis has been described as just the constant buzzing of drones. Yep. And not just for the last four months, but for the last 17 years. Yes, yes, for as long as the siege has been and as long as they've had the drone technology. Exactly. But yeah. So like, there is when people started. I think looking into it.

I think Israel knew that the message had to be filled with the narrative had to be filled with this poison pill stuff. No one wants to question whether or not a rape took place, whether or not a baby was beheaded, because whether or not a baby was beheaded or it died by getting shot, it's still a fucking atrocity. Right. Well, who did it is also going to be a new thing. I mean, we, and we've been covering that, you know, since like a few days after

October 7th. Right. It's like, you know, you look at the aerial footage of the Supernova, you know, music festival or Kibbutz-Berry where all these like homes were like, it just like turned to rubble. It looks like Gaza, right? There's no way that a few guys with, you know, a couple of AK-47s and maybe a couple RPGs could have like leveled, you know, torched entire neighborhoods in Kibbutz and like literal tank shells and you know yeah parking lots and parking lot of cars full of cars right you're going to tell me that that was Hamas fighters and that that was the goal of the Hamas fighters was to torch Israelis cars and like take time to rape women and behead babies and play you know the other the story of like they cut off a woman's breast and like right right like all these like insane deranged

like like German snuff films sort of like crazy ass fantasies like super crazy you know you know, porn fantasies. Right. Yeah. No, like there's no way. And, and not just like speculations, you know, there's no speculation. It's, we have testimonies in Israeli media. Right.

Of the Israeli soldiers who were in the Apache helicopter gunships mowing down. Right. People, you know, Israeli citizens in their cars and in the kibbutzis. Israeli soldiers being interviewed about it who said, you know, well, there's hostages in there. Right. And then said, well, we don't care. it anyway. Yeah.

And like the, even from like a, just a speculative level where you look at this and you go like, well, that, you know, circle doesn't square or you can't square that circle. You just, just looking at it and being like, wait, that doesn't add up, like that would get you in trouble. Right. Then you're like, yeah, then you're a conspiracy theory. Right. Then you're a conspiracy theorists and all this stuff.

And, you know. The Washington Post called us October 7th. truthers for reporting what the Israeli media was right yeah yeah well that's you know that's the thing the idea of like uh i remember reading uh the hararets article uh about all this and just going directly to the comment section and i love a good ha arets commenter because they're they're writing things like why you doing this yeah don't you have something better to do than to look into this. They're like, don't, you're making us look bad.

Like, literally, that's what they're saying. Right. And it's just so, like, it's so disgusting because you're just like, you don't want the journalist to do their job? And they're like, no, they absolutely do not want the journalists to do their job. And neither does, neither does camera. Yeah. So, real quick.

So as criticism of Gettleman's story grew both internally and external. only producers at The Daily with Michael Barbaro. That's the New York Times one where he, every other word. It's a podcast, right? Yeah. It's a podcast where Michael Barbaro brings on a journalist. And while the journalist is talking, Michael Barbaro goes, oh. He likes to come when he's like, listen. God, that's so vile.

If you ever heard his, he just goes, hmm. Like one time I heard one. mostly it's like hmm um but one time i heard he was just like oh like it's perfect that's perfect for the new york times because they're just sitting there like jerking off to their own fucking propaganda yeah yeah just their own reflection and their fucking cool coke bottle glasses so uh yeah um so uh yeah um so producers at the daily shelved the original script and pause the episode according to the newsroom to newsroom sources familiar with the process, a new script was drafted, one that offered major caveats, allowed for uncertainty,

and asked open-ended questions that were absent from the original article, which presented its findings as definitive evidence of the systematic use of sexual violence as a weapon of war. Imagine that. So just so you can understand listeners at home, they were, they shelved this episode because the new script looked at the article and decided to ask the clarifying questions and

decided to be essentially they looked at the criticism of the article they said okay that does track the fact is is that we cannot definitively say any of this is like necessarily true so maybe we should leave this podcast episode about this a little more

open-ended than the article, and they shelved it. And they shelved it for, I mean, listen, there could be many reasons why they shelved it, but I think the obvious one is pressure from camera. Now, if you don't know camera, a committee for accuracy in Middle East reporting and analysis, they were founded in 1982 in response to what it claims was anti-Israel bias in the Washington Post reporting on the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. If you know anything about the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, you know that there's no... Israel was also just a small bean. Well, they were also just small bean.

No, there's no way to show Israel in a positive light. No. During the 1980s. The slaughter of 1982. It is literally impossible. It is literally impossible. So the idea that this was founded because the Washington Post was too anti-examination. The Israel is laughable.

Incredible. So since its inception, camera has successfully lobbied for hundreds of corrections in major media outlets seeking to streamline a pro-Israel line in news reports and editorials. It has smeared journalists whose work it disagrees with and launched a boycott campaigns against news organizations, it believed, are not responding with enough deference to its requests. So they are essentially has barra bullies. Yeah, complete thugs, yeah. And bullies, thugs and nerds who go through line by line, word by word, everything that is reported about Israel from any major, you know, news, whether it's like news, magazine, television show, newspaper, whatever the fuck.

And they look for any reason to bully an editor into printing a retraction or into, or to, you know, basically... Or killing the story, right. Killing the story or getting a correction made. Now, in this case, it seems like this is more along the lines of killing a story, which is, as far as I know, I don't know too much about what camera's abilities are. I imagine they read these posts, them being published. But this might be, I imagine that this was due to,

I think if you're pressured enough by groups like this where you know you're going to get pushback. And the New York Times gets tons of pushback from camera, which is an insane thing because the New York Times is actively pro-Israel.

Exactly. Yeah, isn't that amazing? I mean, it says a lot about camera and about the New York Times. Yes. That the New York Times, instead of, you know, relaying the facts that they'll just play both sides to the middle because they're a very political news organization that, you know, wants to, uh, wants to keep its friends in high places, wants to, you know, their journalists want

to keep their status and their access to the centers of power, not monitor, not to monitor them, but to go to, you know, like cocktails after, after work with. Yeah. And so, yeah, like, well, so what's the, you know, what's the point of the New York Times if they're just going to bend over backwards and then be railed by a camera at the same time? Like, yeah, it is, it is really such a, it's such a stupid position to be in because you're both, you're, you're, Number one, you're never going to, you're never going to satisfy camera because camera is fucking insane. I believe, like, I read there was Edward Saeed, who said something like, camera's views are more right wing than Israel, like, more so than the Israeli government. Like, like, these guys are actually insane.

Of course, you know, I think that was in the 80s. Yeah, exactly. Israel is caught up to camera. I think so. I think so. I think they're on the same par now. Yeah. But, yeah, so camera, you know, and this article goes into detail about how the editor of the New York Times, his father, let me see, let me get to do. His father, Leo Kahn, is a longtime member of Camera's board.

What do you know? Yeah, though before Khan rose to prominence at the paper. Just so you know, before his son roast prominence at the paper. I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure that was just like based on his own merits that he wrote up to prominence. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, but this is like, this is, so it says by the time Leo Kahn joined the group as a board member in 1990, it was already famous for its aggressive pursuit of corrections and wording changes in the media to reflect a more pro-Israel stance. And according to the Times profile of Kahn when he was elevated to his current post in 2022, he and his father authored. dissected newspaper coverage together.

Just like other fathers and sons go fishing or like, you know, hang out, some people, some fathers and sons like to do Hizbara together. They do. What's so wrong with that? It's just sweet. It's the family business. All right. Come on, son.

Let's go reverse this narrative. So, yeah, the camera like, um, the idea that like camera might be responsible for the uh them pulling the story i think is absolutely plausible because of the fact that like leo con his uh what's the name of the actual what's the name of the oh jo joe con yeah yeah joe con you know is uh joe con was raised with camera he knows what the fuck camera is and camera you know doesn't mean that camera doesn't harass him constantly, but what it means is that he's already got, he's already deferential to pro-Israel coverage. And so just looking at that at its face, you can see that

pulling this episode was clearly a case of by running this with the open-ended questions. We are now, you know, we're leaving an opening for anyone to start questioning this. Yeah, exactly. And the whole point of this has bar. is that you are not supposed to question it. No. That's the whole fucking point of it. You can't because that's doing an anti-Semitism. It's doing an anti-Semitism to do journalism.

And you are pro-rape. Right. And yeah. And yeah. And it's, I was looking into, the interesting thing about camera is that they don't do any of this. None of this is like behind closed doors. You know what I mean?

None of this is a like private shadow group. No, this is like public facing. And so camera, when they get a retraction printed or they get a correction printed, they celebrate. Oh, yeah, they send out press releases. They sent out press releases and they put it on their website. And I have one of them for one of the things that was changed in the last few months, a correction that they got from camera's website. New York Times reporters act as Hamas stenographers. Forget to admit Israeli occupation forces.

Isn't that amazing? This is what they spend their time and money on. They raise a shit ton of money to do this crazy Hasbara. They claim to have 65,000 people, I believe, working for them. Yeah, I think that's just donors. Oh, donors, yeah, yeah. It's my grandma on Long Island. Yeah, 65,000 members, whatever members means.

Yeah. Um, so this article, uh, the mask slipped for New York Times reporters, uh, New York Times reporters, um, Hamasthenographers, uh, uh, Raja Abdurahim and Iyad, Ebola, we, um, you know, you, uh, I, ab, haweela. Listen, if someone else does it, then I can repeat it. I don't know the guy. I just, yeah. I feel like I should get credit for Abdul Rahim. It's really good. I knew it immediately.

It's really good, Matt Leap. So those two this week when they absolutely neglected to tone down Hamas' preferred language before passing off the terror organization's talking points as original reporting. So we have in this, so in their December 16th item, Israeli forces withdrawal after besieging, Gazba. Israeli forces withdraw after besieging Gaza hospital leaving behind leaving behind bodies

and destruction. They're tearing apart an article that is Israeli forces withdrawal after besieging gas like you fucking scumbags. Yeah, no, they're just, they're the worst. They're the worst of the worst. They're the dirt on the bottom of your shoe.

They're reading this article and they go like Israeli occupation forces. I believe you mean I D-F, not I-O-F, wow. Can we get a retraction on that? It's like, you fucking, you have to have a soul made of dog shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your soul's got to be made of dog shit.

It's literally an article about a fucking hospital being bonded, bodies and destruction left behind. You fucking. These people are, they're scum. They're scum. They're tapeworms. Yeah. They are.

tapeworms in that you know they fucking they'll just live in your stomach yeah and uh you get real skinny kind of just shit them out yeah you gotta shit them out i'm taking a long rope i'm sure you know i don't know much about tapeworms but i like the idea of pulling them that it's a great visual yeah listen we've all had a dog who's had a long worm okay you got to pull it out it's like a clown pulling out of oh look it looks like the camera guy. Joe, it's Leo Kahn.

Oh my God. Yeah. Just like the amount of public facing stuff that they do is so funny because I think, you know, the way that Israeli Hasbara seems to operate is, um, is, you just say the most insane lie out loud. Yeah. And, and it's crazy because no. nobody like this is this is not a secret operation none of this is secret all of the lies are

out in the open and bold face yeah absolutely no they're proud of it they yeah they brag about it and and yet you have people who are just like well let's not let's not question this let's be yeah and if you question it you're doing an anti-semitism you're just like Hitler and and you are pro rape and um and that's it and that and unfortunately it's been working for them for the last what is it you know 40 years yeah um yeah it works it works uh very well at least you know it has been working for them but uh you know but that's why we exist that's why we exist you know this is uh the reason i started this podcast was because i said you know what someone's got to say the truth yes i believe you're doing a mitzvah listen i'm doing a mitzv i'm doing the best i can i'm doing the best

you can that's all you got i'm the listen i'm going to let the real journalists at you know electronic intifada uh and various other great publications out there i'm going to let you guys do the the actual work of journalism thanks but i i'm going to play videos read articles in laugh about it. Yeah, I mean, I think that's also a really important, you know, like, it's, it's, I don't know, like I, I'm of two minds about, about humor during this time. Like, it's very necessary. We can't, you know, and we, we can't give, like my friend Riffat, Alarir said, he was assassinated a month and a half ago. He was like, we can't give in to their barbarism, you know, they can't, they're not going to dehumanize us. And Rifat was one of the

funniest fucking people anew and living through so much horror and and and gaslighting and racism and and and um just pure monstrosity at the hands of of Israel um his whole life and um and the you know and and and at the u.s who who mocked him and and funds people who killed him um a targeted strike by targeted strike yeah an assassination assassination called for by Barry Weiss Right, formerly of the New York Times. Yeah. And so it's like we have to laugh. We have to come together.

We have to find community. We have to celebrate life in all of our pure dignity. And at the same time, it's a fucking genocide. And we can't be lighthearted. We can't not be serious 100% of the time. But we can be serious about, about making fun of the fucking tapeworms

that are running this shit 100%. Yeah, so there we are. If there's one thing that they've earned, it is brutal ridicule at the very least. Absolutely. And yeah, it is really, you know,

it's a horrible time, it's a sad time. And I'm also hoping for more and more people to start reading things that you write. That'd be nice. And just like start actually venturing outside of the giant fucking Hasbara apparatus that has been

created and cultivated over the last fucking, you know, decades, my whole fucking life. And start realizing that the idea that you're going to get real news about this situation from the New York Times is laughable. It is. It's like getting news from Alex Jones It's straight up is. I mean, listen, it is. When it comes to Middle East reporting, the track record of the New York Times is

so disgusting that the fact that anyone would ever trust them to like talk about this honestly uh is you know there's just a you know it's a case of mass amnesia and it just makes me like i mean this whole fucking last four months has felt like mass amnesia yes yeah it's just like constant fucking gaslighting are we doing this again i know are we doing this again i got trolled online by someone who was at america number one cool i was like Very cool. What the fuck? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's usually the guys with like the American flag, the Israeli flag, and the Ukrainian flag in their handle. Yeah, all those together, you know you're getting fucking like, neocon takes circa 2002. You know? And they're probably all bots. Like, who knows if they're even real people? For sure. For sure, a lot of them are bots.

But also, I absolutely believe, you know, neoconism is coming back. in a big way yeah it is um and uh well that's great news for the world i'm sure that won't lead to some sort of global conflict no not at all well let's uh not even talk about what happened uh on the jordan syrian border yeah things are escalating things are escalating and that's why this podcast is here Jesus Christ help me um Nora I want to thank you so much for coming on. I'm so glad you were able to do it. And please come back anytime. I would love to anytime. And also, you know, I also watch this, well, I can't do the Sopranos anymore. Well, now we're doing the wire. I know, but now you're doing the wire, which I have also watched a million times. So if

you ever want, I, you know, I'm just saying if you're, if you're looking for guests. It's done. It's done. You're going to do it because we are on season five of Pod Yourself a Gun, the Wire edition. So great. And season five is the, I mean, it's the most maligned season, but it's also, it's the season in the newsroom. I loved it. Me too. I'm a big season five defender.

Season five and season two, actually. 100%. And people don't like season two, which I don't understand. People don't like season two are crazy. You have to be, I get it when you first watch it to be mad that all your friends are gone. Yeah, I mean, you see them. You see them, but you're like, they're focusing on the docks and you're like, oh, what is

this show? Season five is still not made. a like a recovery in the zeit guy season two has made sort of a recovery people are like actually it might be the best season come on season five is hated people are just like no you can't I think people are I mean I don't know people are people are people stupid only we're smart that's it it's only us oh you're smart now I'm doing bubble o bill again get the buffalo bills body lotion but the lotion on the skin or else you get the hose again anyways it's so dark nora we're definitely

going to have you on we're we're doing a we're getting a lot of journalist guests uh great for this season oh my god i would be so honored because you know i love you know Palestine is everything that i live and breathe and and every once in a while it's nice to um talk about others something else yeah i can i can only imagine i've only been doing this podcast for a month and i'm already like I'm going to die. Welcome. Welcome to my world. I'm on so much Zoloft, Matt Lee.

I can't imagine. Like more than like an elephant would need to be sedated. All right. It's fantastic. Come join us. I got to get that prescrippy script. It's good shit, man. This shit is bad for my brain.

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And also, just for a few people have been asking, I have lined up a lot of great Palestinian guests. I realize that I've had Arab guests. I've had a Persian guests. I've had a lot of Jewish, too many Jews. Too many Jews. And people are like, where's a Palestinian guest at? They are coming and you're going to be happy. they are great fantastic people that you will very much enjoy and yeah please listen again

and until next time from the river to the sea there's a tapeworm inside of me jumping jacks with us push-ups with us grab-maga us all karate us taking molly us Michael jacks with us Yamaha keyboards Us Georgia binks on us Andor was us Heath Ledger Joker us Endless spread success

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