Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 12: This Could Be Hamas but You Playin, with Sammy Obeid

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

Today Matt is joined by Palestinian comedian Sammy Obeid to talk about stand up comedy, being banned on TikTok, and how Matt's wife's podcast is more professional. Buy tickets to see Matt Lieb... and Francesca Fiorentini headline the Punch Line in Sacramento on Sunday, March 17th at 7pm. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:04:19 comics and now we are and now we're here we started at the bottom and now I'm sort of like middle bottom and he's pretty close to the top it's pretty sick ladies and gentlemen everyone else welcome Sammy obeyed you're muted you got to unmute your mic you see under your name on your uh there we go oh you clearly don't have a producer for this show no I'm doing the whole thing. Usually they do that for you. They unmute the mic. I know. They do that they do that on Francesca's pod. Have you been on Francesca's spot? Francesca's got a very professional pod. Francesca has a producer, has people making clipies and stuff. I got one guy, Adam Levin. He makes some clips. And I got a guy who moderates the subreddit, but I have yet to make enough money to hire a guy to
Starting point is 00:05:11 unmute the mics for me. I'm still, like I said, I'm in the middle now, Sammy. I'm not quite at the talk i'm not at francesco level yet well talk to her maybe get some uh some feedback some notes because honestly you're the set in the background's a little cluttered um this is the same set this is her set i just i just changed the color scheme except for one light bulb is no longer responding to the voice command it's it's the wifi don't work on one of the light bulbs one of your headphones is higher than the other yeah that's just because i'm cocking my head a little bit and the camera is at a weird angle all right okay okay mr. Perfect. What happened to you, dude?
Starting point is 00:05:49 I did Francesca Spott, and I saw how a real show's run. That's what happened. You used to, you know, you and I, we used to just sleep on floors, just doing stand-up comedy all over the world. And now you're, you know, Sammy, I have to say, I have been watching your clips and whatnot online for a long time, you know. and just i feel like i can't even clock when exactly it went from like good presence to holy shit this guy is blowing up but i feel like you're kind of blew up yeah well it's gradual it comes in waves yeah there's uh many there was many plateaus along the way yeah and i i would you know i was there for some of them and i wanted to talk to you were there for all of them actually i was there for all of them i actually was responsible for at least 10 of the plateaus
Starting point is 00:06:49 i kept reporting you know your your accounts to the adl trying to get you but i wanted to talk about that specifically because i do remember a time um like when i've talked to a few people who have said and you know i'm not you know going to try to like suck your dick too much bro but if i'm being Ernest, you know, people have asked me like, what are some, you know, like people who, you know, in this time of everything that's going on that you really admire. And I've said one of them is you, Sammy. And the reason I admire you. The other one is Michael Rappaport. Well, Michael is just, he's just crushing it on social media. You know, I like to, you know, both sides. I want to hear both sides. You know, I want to hear from the victims and the victimizers. So someone's got to be unbiased. But I, I And one of the reasons I say you is because of the fact that you, I have seen you talk about, I mean, you talk about all sorts of shit in your act. You know, you're not, you were never inherently a political, or you were never like, hey, I'm a political comic. You were from jump, like someone who I considered someone who did like kind of everything from family stuff to math. You're a big math guy, which I loved.
Starting point is 00:08:15 And I would watch that, you know, I think due to the fact that you are a Palestinian human being who's a comedian, you are eventually going to do some jokes about how you are Palestinian and do them in your very Samuel Bade way. And I would watch how you would get fucking brigaded by like Zionists. You had your, your TikTok account, like completely. completely banned and wiped right yeah yeah yeah so by the chinese zionist enterprise yeah their powers combined and you cannot even dance about palace nine anymore but like are you back on tic-tok yeah back on tic-tok um it actually and i still don't have as many followers as i did when i got banned uh three years ago now crazy crazy Yeah. So, but, yeah, so I joined, I realized they weren't going to give me the account back.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And so about after three months, I got a new handle. Yeah. And it took me one year to get to 10,000 followers. Jeez. After losing a quarter million. Oh, my God. And it's like, it's shit like that, that I think any comedian or anyone who's in fucking any industry, when you face like a consequence like that, you wonder like is this fucking worth it like at some point you do make the like the calculation of like
Starting point is 00:09:47 maybe i should just not talk about this shit because it's i don't know if there is i mean there's certainly not a career upside to it but you wonder like you know if no one even sees it i'm just destroying my career for no reason and uh i think it would have been perfectly reasonable for you to be like fuck this i'm not i'm not i'm not fucking talking about this shit you know it's not it's not worth it to fucking you know uh upend all my hard work for this uh but instead of doing that you were like no fuck it i'm just going to rebuild um which is i feel like uh not to be funny but that's like kind of a Palestinian trait is to have your shit bombed by Zionists and then be like well I'm going to rebuild it yeah it's fucking cool it's it's very badass so
Starting point is 00:10:37 you know yeah thank you and and might i say super fun getting banned and uh doing it all over again yeah no i mean that's like people forget about the joy of rebuilding you know yeah yeah exactly yeah it's very uh marie condo is that a reference people still know oh totally i don't know i haven't left my house since 2020 i'm just watching repeats stuff but uh yeah no uh it's it's it's very cool and I want to play some of your clips and talk about some things that I think are relevant to this podcast, it being an Israel-Palestine podcast. But first, I want to hear from you more about like your life. You know, like, who are you? Like, tell our listeners, like, who the real Sammy O'Bade is. Well, that's one thing that I never do on stage in person or with anybody that I know
Starting point is 00:11:35 trust. That's good. Yeah, if there's one thing that I keep to myself, it's me. Yeah. Yeah. You got to hide that from people. Yes. I'll talk about literally anything but the real me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. You know, I'm a pretty simple, well, I'm a simple, complex guy. You know, I'm into like astrology and stuff like that. So I, at the moment I started talking about the things that I'm into, people start to lose interest. So I'm now even more interested. What's your sign, bro? I'm an Aquarius. Oh, shit. I don't know anything about that, but what's your moon in?
Starting point is 00:12:12 My moon's a Taurus. Oh, I'm a Taurus. Yeah, I knew that. You knew that? Yeah, I know. Well, I keep track of people's signs. Oh, okay. That's nice.
Starting point is 00:12:26 I keep it in a book. Like a list? Yeah, just to know how to treat people. Oh, all right. How do you treat a Taurus? sternly sternly yeah yeah yeah yeah you got to treat me sternly yeah yeah yeah I got like a big
Starting point is 00:12:42 you know I would say like I've got a big hide and I'm stubborn and you can whip this shit out of me and I'll still forgive you yeah yeah yeah exactly how you do it yeah no of course of course but you're you're a Palestinian American you're from
Starting point is 00:12:59 are you from San Jose originally is that where you grew up I was born in Oakland I grew up in the East Bay, Berkeley, Fremont. Yeah, I grew up in the East Bay pretty much my whole life except for, you know, living in Los Angeles for 12 soul crushing years. I've been pretty much a Bay Area guy. Yeah, yeah. And that's where I met you doing a stand-up in the Bay. And you were someone who did something that, you know, at the time, I was like, well, you'll go down in history for this. And you were wrong. And I was, Well, it was impressive.
Starting point is 00:13:37 I mean, now you'll, you know, may go down in history for being the first comedian ever killed by a drone. But you did stand up for how many consecutive, how many consecutive days did you do stand up? Well, it's 1001, but it's actually 1002. People don't know about that, the extra one that I did. Yeah. So I did 1,001. the last night was at Punchline in SF. And then on day 1002, there was this Palestinian organization in the Bay Area
Starting point is 00:14:12 that wanted to give me my own award ceremony for completing the streak. And I just, I had killed the night before at Punchline. It was like the greatest way to end things. And then the next day, they asked me to come at 3 p.m. for families. And like a lot of these people, like they're either recent immigrants or, you know, some of them were refugees, like dire circumstances, and they want me to do my set. And, you know, I perform for Palestinian audiences all the time now, but like, even back then, this was a difficult crowd.
Starting point is 00:14:45 Sure. And they handed me the plaque and then had me do 10 minutes to stand up. And that 10 minutes of stand up really made you wonder, like, is this the guy who just did comedy a thousand days? And if so, what did he learn? it is kind of like the worst way to go into a show where you're literally your build as guy who got his 10,000 hours you know and they're like well this technically according to Malcolm Gladwell should be the greatest comedy we've ever fucking seen yeah yeah so you actually so did you bomb your your 100,000 second show the irony that as if they deserved another one I did yes I I bombed my thousand and second it was it was a tragedy but they were still very gracious they gave me they i still have the plaque in my room oh they let you keep it yeah they let me keep it yeah yeah yeah and it was nice
Starting point is 00:15:41 it was just very warming to like be welcomed by the community and that they recognized my achievement it's just that you know i wish i did it like a couple days before so it wasn't the ending right sure sure it's kind of uh you know it's any any weekend at a club they make you end with a seven a class sunday yeah and it was a sunday yeah there's nothing worse You could crush the whole weekend, and then that Sunday show, half empty with a bunch of old people who are not sure how they got there. And you're just like, I was on a high. I was on a high and you ruined it. They do that so that you feel better about the check that you get at the end of the week.
Starting point is 00:16:22 That's right. You're like, oh, that's right. This is what I deserve. Yeah, yeah. You're right. I am a piece of shit. Thank you for my 300. but yeah so you know you getting an award you know by this Palestinian group in the Bay Area for doing something cool
Starting point is 00:16:40 leads me to talk about just kind of what has it been like outside of you know groups of people who are either Palestinian or in solidarity with Palestinian Palestinians. What has it been like being a Palestinian comedian like before the seventh and after the seventh? Did you notice like a difference in either the way people received the material or in the attacks or any of those things? Yeah. So, you know, last year was the first year that I like had a following. And so suddenly I was doing this kind of national tool. and I had people showing up at my shows. I was selling out shows for the first time. I've been doing, you know, stand up for 17 years now.
Starting point is 00:17:31 So I was 16 years in the game and finally had people there to see me and to listen. And so, you know, 2020 was such a good year in retrospect in that, like, I was finally doing stuff that I wanted to talk about. You know, I was going beyond math and Israel, Palestine. I was, like, talking about me and I was making, like, you know, subtle political. commentary on the on the nuances of of life yeah and I was like finally like I'm I'm I'm free I finally get to do my jokes about being an Aquarius yes exactly exactly and then October 7th happens and I was like shit I'm I'm Palestinian again yeah and and so the the first few weeks of after everything basically like October 7th through
Starting point is 00:18:20 you know beginning of November turnout out of my shows was really low A lot of people bought tickets, and we're just too depressed to come out. Some people bought tickets and realized that I was Palestinian. Hey, did we buy tickets to see Hamas at Yuck Yucs? What the fuck? Yeah, so there was a lot of no-shows in those first few weeks. But, I mean, a lot of people had a legitimate reason. Like, I remember I did two shows in Chicago right after.
Starting point is 00:18:54 the young boy was stabbed by his landlord right and so there was there was Muslim people who were like emailing saying like I can't come like there was a hate crime recently like I just don't want to go outside yeah and so um so yeah so there was low turnout for a while and it was it was like I was talking about I was still trying to just like frame what my angle was on everything because I was just everybody in the beginning was like what the fuck yeah like literally everybody except you know Hamas and Netanyahu who knew were like what the fuck is going to going on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Everyone except for it was Hamas, Netanyahu, and Amy Schumer was like, ooh, I don't know like I guess it's a wait and see for how bad this is
Starting point is 00:19:37 going to be. Right, right. But yeah. Right. Yeah, no, for sure. No, some people had their angles quite ready on October 8th. Yeah. I was, I was shocked at all these well-formed opinions on October 8th. Yeah. So I did what I normally do when something crazy happens. I kind of just stay quiet for a few days because I didn't know what the fuck was going on. And it's somebody who'd been advocating for free Palestine for years and years. And then you see this brutal Hamas attack and like not the first thing. I'm not going to come. And a lot of people I know did this.
Starting point is 00:20:07 They were just like, yeah, this is what you fucking get. I was like, I'm not doing that right now. I'm just going to lay low and see what actually happened because you know the media is lying and you know that that you're going to find out the real information later. So why not just like take the time. Yeah. And so I did, and my initial statements were just very, like, heartfelt, like, I don't want suffering for anybody. Let's just see what happens. And then started to formulate my opinions as the weeks went on, but I didn't really feel like I had me great jokes.
Starting point is 00:20:37 And then in mid-November, like, things started coming to me. And I started to feel like I was in the swing and was able to, like, talk about it. And then that's when people started, you know, sharing my clips that were coming out at that time. Yeah. And people, because the thing is when everything, you know, as a stand-up, you know, it takes a while to perfect a bit or it takes a while to get a bit to its place, especially for me. I'm very much like that. So I looked at my old catalog of Palestine material and like every joke had like a little bit of nuance that just did not feel right for the situation. Sure, sure, sure. You know, like I couldn't post my Palestinians are so smart. They're like rocket scientist joke. You know what I mean? Like that wasn't the best one to post on October 8th. Right. You know, you know, yeah. Still a good joke.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Still a good joke. I mean, an all-time classic. Yes. But yeah, I had to hold back and I couldn't post any of my old stuff. So it took me a while to get the new stuff. And then once I did and people started sharing and then suddenly people started coming to my shows to find solace at the time and also to like, you know, because as we found out, there's a lot of comedians who said some really fucked up things. Either about the situation, about Palestinians, or or comedians who just have been flat out silent, which is the majority of comedians.
Starting point is 00:21:56 I would say that's most of them, yeah. And a lot of our friends, it's like, you can't blame them. I would rather people not really have a take than have a really bad one, that's for sure. Right. And I would, yeah, I'd rather people like, if you're going to not talk because you're scared, which is an understandable, I don't know, a thing to do. Yeah. I think that's preferred rather than kind of just doing something that is forced and is going to get you regretting that you said anything at all.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Totally. I'd rather people, if you need the time, take the time. Totally. Absolutely. Although at this point, I would much rather all the silent people actually say something. I would love it. I would love it. I mean, even if it's not in your stand-up, like, just to say something about it. But I don't hold it against anybody because I would lose way too many friends. Yeah, right. I know. Yeah. And even with that, like, you know, like most people are very sympathetic and knowing me, they'll, you know, they'll say all the right things in person.
Starting point is 00:23:04 And that's fine with me. I really don't care. But it's just like comedy fans, people who are very much into this issue are having a very hard time right now, finding comedians who speak the truth that they believe in. And so fortunately, comedians like you and myself and a few others have been able to, you know, fill that void for those people. And so I've been getting a lot of new fans who are, you know, down with the cause and want to support. And a lot of people who are new to the situation, but like, you know, they're learning, they're finally learning about it. And then they're learning about it through me. and that's something that I've been doing a lot of my career that I find very gratifying
Starting point is 00:23:45 because people are always like, oh, what, a joke is going to help? Like, yeah, actually, they do. Actually, they help more than most things. Yeah, I mean, the way that... I mean, maybe, maybe cutting funding and stop bombing first, but I would say... That helps more. Yeah, that helps. You didn't say jokes help more than that.
Starting point is 00:24:03 You're still right. Right, right, right. But, yeah, I agree. I found that the help in the joke is not so much like the, oh, this, you know, the satire will change the world thing or like a joke can change someone's perspective necessarily. But it's more in that, especially in a time when voices who are critical of, you know, the status quo are, you know, either silenced or just not readily available in any, you know, mainstream capacity. It's very helpful for people to hear this stuff so that they know they're not going
Starting point is 00:24:40 crazy. My experience has been kind of similar, and I want to ask you about yours, but what I get is that makes me feel very grateful is people who will be like, you know, to paraphrase, some people will straight up say, like, bro, thank you for, you know, being an anti-Zionist Jew. I was starting to feel myself going pretty down the rabbit hole of being an anti-Semite. And you've kind of, you've been able to successfully separate Zionism and being a Jew for me. And I appreciate that. Your dad wrote you that? My dad wrote me that.
Starting point is 00:25:25 And it's like very sweet because, you know, he's hated Jews his whole life. mostly himself but you know uh his parents too um but yeah no like uh people i mean that's kind of an extreme example but people have been you know uh a lot of um arab listeners and a lot of i think um other jewish listeners um who weren't sure about how they felt felt like they were being gaslit it's been helpful for them i'm wondering on um on your end of it, are you hearing from a lot of Jewish fans who are just like, thank you and thank you for humanizing Palestinians for me? Because, yeah. Of course, yeah. I have a lot of Jewish fans, both anti-Zionists and Zionist. I have Zionist
Starting point is 00:26:20 Jewish fans. I have a lot of Zionist Jewish fans. Yeah. And I had them, you know, I would say, I would say the more the bulk of them, 90% of them were fans from before all of this. Like, I don't think I've been accumulating Zionist fans. I was going to say, I get him. But I have been, I've been maintaining a lot of Zionist friends and fans. Yeah. And I've lost, I've lost a shit ton as well. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Oh, I can imagine. I get a lot of comments on my videos. Even the most like, you know, the stuff that I post, there's stuff that I say on stage. I'm pretty good with my words. I don't say anything that will ever, like, get me into actual trouble. Sure. Like the things, and the things that I post are even, like, more highly, like, refined. And so, and so, like, it's, it's hard for people to kind of like, I mean, obviously,
Starting point is 00:27:12 there's plenty of things for people to get pissed at, but, like, usually the comment that I will get from, like, designist folks is like, hey, I disagree with you, but, like, I still, I think you're really funny, and I think this is actually a great joke. your math checks out and i appreciate that i was like i said subtract israel yeah yeah have you um uh do you think you have any not i want to say converts because you're not out there trying to like convert anyone to anything you're just being yourself um but have you had zionist um fans who are like before time fans who have kind of uh maybe come around to the idea that their Zionism might be holding them back from the full
Starting point is 00:28:00 spectrum of humanity? Yeah, well, I've had a few, I've only had a few people tell me like, hey, I used to be Zionist or used to be hardcore Zionist and you helped me see it another way. I've only had that a few times. What I have more often is, hey, I knew nothing about the situation. And then I saw a joke of yours and it made me look into it. I hear that a lot. I love that. Yeah, yeah. So I wouldn't say that I've, like, reformed Zionists, but I will say that I've,
Starting point is 00:28:32 I've definitely humanized Palestinians. A lot of people who don't know Palestinians personally, don't have a Palestinian friend or see Palestinians a certain way. I've definitely provided something for those people, you know. Yeah. And it's crazy to me because, especially, it's such a recognizable thing, I think, for Jewish people, at least for me, knowing how much, you know, ignorance can come from someone who's just never met a Jew before, right?
Starting point is 00:29:11 You know, like I've always kind of felt like that was another thing with Palestinians that we had in common. I know people who just hate Palestinians knee-jerk, but they never met a Palestinian that. their life. And, you know, it's one of the areas of disappointment I have with some of my Jewish friends who are just like so quick to demonize all Palestinians where I'm just like, but you, you've left L.A. before. You, you know, you've been in places where you're the only Jew. Like, you understand that not knowing someone of, you know, a specific nationality or ethnicity means that you should probably hold off on this passionate dehumanization of them
Starting point is 00:29:56 but I've been wrong it's a hot take yeah well you know I'm filled with hot takes I want to play some of your comedy one of the clips I found I love a lot because you make such a funny point about being an American and the First Amendment so I'll play that
Starting point is 00:30:18 I did a joke about Israel, because it was funny. I got trolled on by this account whose profile picture was a Pokemon. So you know he's legit. And Pikachu said, criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic. And I said, why? He said, because it's a Jewish state. And I said, well, Israel is 20% Arab. So, can I 20% criticize Israel?
Starting point is 00:30:51 And last time I checked, I'm an American, which means I can criticize any country I want. Yeah. So that's one of the joys of freedom of speech. And I think that we should celebrate that, not only as Americans, but as humans. I think we should be able to criticize any country that we disagree with their government's actions.
Starting point is 00:31:11 For instance, you guys remember what happened in 2022 in Iran, horrible incidents with the woman and the hijab, and the government cracked down on the people. Can we all agree that was horrible? And Iran's government oppressive. Can we all agree that? Can we all agree that? Okay, see, that's Islamophobic, okay?
Starting point is 00:31:28 Because Iran is a Muslim state. Yeah, do you see how that's silly, all right? If we can criticize Iran freely, we can criticize Israel freely, okay? They're both countries in the Middle East. They both start with an eye. Sure, one's known for carpets, one's known for carpet bombing. I'm just saying. Great bit.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Thank you. Great, great fucking bit. And I particularly love you bringing up the first amendment. Pokemon. Yeah, no, I love,
Starting point is 00:32:01 anytime Pokemon is mentioning a bit, I'm like, this is for me. But yeah, I love that bit for, I mean, a multitude of reasons. Number one,
Starting point is 00:32:12 and this has always been the truth about a Sammy obeyed, uh, like bit is um so many tags you tag the shit out of your joke the irony is that that it actually got cut off uh because uh so i have somebody helped me post with social media and you know with instagram if you you have you have to make it as a regular post otherwise it will cut off at 90 seconds that's right yeah and so the final tag got cut off and i was very upset for like a whole day but i had to get over it oh what's the final tag told me that the final tag is i can make that
Starting point is 00:32:43 joke because it's only 20% of my set oh that's beautiful beautiful beautiful tag yeah yeah um yeah no and i think one of the points you make there is uh this is america and i can criticize any country i want and i feel like uh that is something that i see lost completely in the um i don't know discourse or whatever whenever uh you know as highly politicized as Israel is. There seems to be a general consensus from both like the free speech right wing fuckos and
Starting point is 00:33:21 you know like any liberal out there that like when it comes to criticizing any other country you know it's fair game and it's expected and it's part of like living in a free society but yeah no
Starting point is 00:33:38 and this is America and one of the reasons that this is the land of the free home with a brave is that you're allowed to criticize you're allowed to criticize a country and I love that I think it's a great bit um thank you yeah and I wanted to also talk about another bit that you did um that I thought was great and you kind of brought this up a little bit earlier I want you to expand on it but like uh you started talking about how um people say now you get like criticism about only talking about Israel or only talk about Palestine and you did a whole bit about like I'm a math comedian I would like I would like to be talking about math um do you uh what expand on that a little bit like uh do you feel like when it comes to talking about Israel Palestine it's something that you're you're doing because you're like oh well you know it's uh I got some good bits about it or do you feel is there any resentment at the idea that because your
Starting point is 00:34:47 existence as a Palestinian is so like automatically politicized that you feel like you have to talk about this or what yeah what are your what are your thoughts on that it's a it's a combination of all those things I mean yeah it starts from like I will write about what I know about and uh you know having Palestinian heritage and stuff to say about it like naturally I just want to be able to free to be able to talk about whatever I think about uh the other angle is not a lot of comedians have that angle, so I like originality. And so, well, there are Palestinian comedians and there are comedians to talk about Israel-Palestine stuff.
Starting point is 00:35:23 There's not a lot. And so finding an original take on that subject is rewarding for me. Those are two motivating factors. After October 7th, the motivating factor was, I've been talking about this for years. People are going to expect this for me. Right. And that sounds like kind of like a very, you know, dry. or not pleasant motivating factor,
Starting point is 00:35:46 but it is, it is a motivating factor because people were, I almost felt like people needed me to say something in a sense. You know, as self-righteous as that sounds, but like, no, that's true. Having that motivation definitely drove me to, like, write the jokes and make sure that they were on point
Starting point is 00:36:01 and deliver them. So, so there's all of that. Like, but like, you know, given that we're like on what day 130 something? Yeah, 128 or something. Yeah, it's like I've got some really good sex jokes that I would like to talk, you know, but like if they're not coming out anytime soon because like, because, you know, not to say like the people who, you know, come out to the shows now are a lot more dry or conservative. A lot of them are more conservative. A lot of them are religious. A lot of them are Muslim. But like, I am playing to this base right now. And I'm talking about this stuff. And I find it important. I'm going to keep doing it. But like, I would love for this to all end. So I can go back and just be. free and be myself you know i feel you dog that's that's where i've been at uh at least ever since
Starting point is 00:36:50 starting this podcast like i uh where i find the most joy is talking about episodes of the wire i just saw like that's that's my usual pot that's the podcast that makes money that's the one that pays the rent is me recapping episodes of tv and uh god damn if i just you know want if I could just do that that'd be great but I feel like I don't know at some point you're just like everyone else seems to be too much of a coward
Starting point is 00:37:22 and this isn't ending anytime soon yeah yeah sorry that's the police you're going to come arrest me speaking the truth I called them before the pot it's a shame it took them that long
Starting point is 00:37:36 I know well it's LAPD they really don't respond quickly have you gotten pushback from other comics or are people being chill with you? Like, are people like, yeah, do you get pushback from other comics? You know, surprisingly, I don't know if it's just scaled to what I'm experienced to, but because, you know, I, as having been posting about this for years, and strategically, I would post bits when things came up, you know, during the Great March of Return in 2018 or during the bombing in 2021 or, you know, the situation.
Starting point is 00:38:12 in 2014 every time something came up i would post something and back in those days um because i think my approach was a little more mainstream maybe my following was a little more mainstream and maybe the people who were sharing my stuff were a little more mainstream i got i got a lot of shit back then yeah and so this time around it was different i've got plenty of shit but it's all it's almost like people kind of are like yeah he but he's going to say that obviously like he's even if they disagree, they're like, yeah, well, he's Palestinian, he's going to speak out. Like, so I have, like, I've been, you know, there's just some purely racist shit. I was right. Yeah. Like that, that's, you just get used to that. But like, like, the, yeah, like the kind of the pushback,
Starting point is 00:38:58 it just feels scaled to like the people who are, like, supporting it. I feel like I'm getting, the support the pushback ratio is way higher than it used to be. And, and, and nothing from your fellow comedians. because that's for me, that's been the biggest shock for me, was the amount of comics that, well, number one, comics who I know personally who are currently mad at me, and then comics who I don't know who are posting shit that, you know, I would say as racist as fuck and genocidal. have you any any comedians come after you or at least privately in the end no no you know um i don't think it's surprising either i think it's partially because people if people knew me they
Starting point is 00:39:51 already knew my track record on this right they already expected that i would say something i also like i said i handle i like i didn't in the beginning i didn't go out and say like yeah israel deserve this i didn't say none of that stuff which a lot of people did so i i you know i feel like I avoided the heat in the time where you could get heat. And I started saying stuff at the right time and, you know, basically, yeah. It's so fucked up, though, because there's a piece of that that comes from a place of like, well, of course, he's going to be mad that Palestinians are dying. Right. But he needs to wait at least two weeks.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Yeah, yeah. He's got to wait a little while. It's kind of rude to be mad now. Yeah. Just the idea that like, well, okay, I mean, he's allowed to be mad about it. Dude, the first, no one else is allowed to be mad that Palestinians are dying. No, true. And I'm sure that's why you get a lot of shit.
Starting point is 00:40:49 I mean, you're Jewish. So I would expect that people would be giving you shit because, you know, you don't believe a certain thing. And people like, oh, he's Palestinians, obviously he's going to say that. And so for that reason, I get dismissed on a lot of the intercomedian hate, you know. I mean, that's very nice. nice for people to, you know, allow you, you know, the ability to like, no, he can humanize him, but he's one of them. That's just so sickening to me. But yeah, I, you know, I've talked
Starting point is 00:41:22 about some of the experience I've had with certain comedians who will, for now, remain nameless mostly because there were private exchanges that I had and, you know, but if anyone does something public, then, you know, I got to point it out. So without further ado, I will show just a tweet I got recently. So Alon Levy, who, or Levy, is one of Israel's many Hasbarist mouthpieces. You know, he's out there. He's the social media guy, essentially, for Israel, which is such a shit job. Like, even if you're doing it at McDonald's, it's like sucks. But it's weird to have a social media manager job that will haunt you for the rest of your life you know what i mean yeah wow like he is uh you know he's out there being the full on
Starting point is 00:42:16 face and mouthpiece for uh you know this quote unquote war uh in gaza aka uh the complete decimation of uh 2.3 million people's uh home and lives um and uh yesterday um during the Super Bowl, Israel started bombing Rafa, where right now, I think it is 1.2 million people have fled from the north of Gaza to the south of Gaza, which is where Rafa is. They fled there with Israel telling them that this was a safe space to go to while we fight Hamas in the tunnels or whatever. And now they have begun operations in Rafa, and there's a huge possibility of a ground invasion. While that was happening,
Starting point is 00:43:07 two Israeli captives were rescued by Shinbet, which is like their special services. And so Alon wrote, two more home, 134 to go, hashtag
Starting point is 00:43:23 no one left behind. To which I pointed out, 110 hostages were released via ceasefire, and it took 120 plus days, 13,000 dead Palestinian children and at least five hostages killed by the IDF for you
Starting point is 00:43:40 to rescue two. And I checked my mentions and the first one is Michael Rappaport, you could give a fuck clownso. I'm not sure
Starting point is 00:43:56 who clownzo is. But so Michael Rappaport is either this might be the first time or maybe he's finally or he's known about you know my stance on this and has kept his mouth shut for a while um but uh mike i've worked with michael a couple of times i featured for him at cobs and i featured for him over at uh the sack punch and you know he's like one of those guys who you're like oh yeah he's you know he's um he's an actor who's like who sounds like a comic so he started doing stand-up
Starting point is 00:44:34 and I you know I was always someone who was like you know he's not bad for someone who kind of like I like I respect anyone who's like trying stand-up even when they're already a famous person and they're like they know they're going to fail a bunch because it's it's embarrassing it's like really you know it is a lot of humility goes into being a famous person trying stand-up because the crowd
Starting point is 00:45:00 they may like you because you're famous but if you're not funny you will bomb and I imagine as a famous person it's worse to bomb in front of people who once liked you so I you know I was always like hey you know good for him
Starting point is 00:45:16 he's trying and stuff like that and yeah ever since the 7th this guy has lost his mind completely and now he's finally aware that I'm out here advocating for a ceasefire and now he's
Starting point is 00:45:33 calling me a clownso what do you think clownzo means I think you have to go inside to answer that question go inside where the clown zone I don't think
Starting point is 00:45:53 I don't think that he I think that he might be his first time using it I think it might be too I think he's like, I mean, you know, he's used to saying Dick saying Donald and, you know, he's got, he's got, he's a lot of Donald puns. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a bozo and clown in the same. Yeah, I think it's both those at the same time. Um, but yeah, you know, so, um, you know, I won't say that I'm like, helping my career in any way. But I don't think Michael Rappaport calling me clownso will hurt my career too bad. No, I don't think so. I think it'll help if anything.
Starting point is 00:46:26 Yeah, yeah. that'd be great um yeah so it's been uh it's been interesting kind of just like uh seeing which comedians are talking about stuff um and what side that they have been on um and i want to say that i i love sammy that uh you're out here in these streets representing uh the humanity of palestinians and i think it's fucking cool i think you're Thanks, man. I think you're a badass dude, dude. But let's get into some headlines this week.
Starting point is 00:47:04 It's time for this weekend headlines in which I go through some of my favorite headlines that are absolutely accurate from mainstream media outlets, telling us the news of what's going on in Gaza. First one, this is from the Associated Press. Breaking health officials say more than 1,200, or 12,000. thousand three hundred Palestinian miners have been killed in Israel's war on Hamas in Gaza. If you don't know what a minor is, there's a synonym for it. It's someone who goes deep into the ground and they collect either coal or gold, silver, various mineral deposits. You think that's what they were talking about?
Starting point is 00:47:57 Sammy? For sure. I think that's what they're talking about. The unknown Palestinian coal mining industry. Yeah. I mean, they already got the tunnels. Yeah. There you go. See, put two and two together. Yeah. So that's what I assume they're talking about. It's either that or they're talking about children. And in fact, deeper dive into this as they are. There have been 12,300 Palestinian children who have been killed thus far, which is an insane figure. And the amount of, I think, kind of like, trying to rewrite that in a way that doesn't sound so bad is horrifying and grotesque on levels that I haven't even begun to process yet. Because if I do, I think it'll make me my brain explode and have an aneurysm.
Starting point is 00:48:51 more headlines come through five-year-old Palestinian girl found dead after being trapped in a car with dead relatives very tragic story that completely does not say how how did any of that happen who was responsible why did it happen for those of you don't know this was this happened in Gaza when and there was a phone call that I think a lot of people have heard from the little girl in question who called to say that the car that she was traveling in was under attack by an Israeli tank. Everyone around her was killed. She was begging for help as the tank got closer and closer. The phone call cuts off.
Starting point is 00:49:42 And then later we find out that as a, well, she was murdered by the IDF. and then the rescue ambulance that came to getter was blown up on the way there. They stopped a rescue effort, and who's to say why? Don't know why. Just cruelty for cruelty's sake, maybe? Who the fuck knows? All I know is I picked the wrong time to become a dad. I'll tell you that right now, bro.
Starting point is 00:50:21 It is, there was a time where I could just watch a movie and like if a kid fell, I'd laugh. You know what I mean? There's Instagram accounts, kids hurting themselves. I used to love it. Can't fuck with it anymore. Now everything pains my heart. And, uh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Finally, last headline, uh, from the New York Times, navigating Israel's war when one spouse is Jewish and one is not. Oh, that's tough. Yeah. You know, that is, listen, for some couples, according to New York Times, figuring out how to talk about the war in Gaza as a hurdle in the relationship, but ultimately, one that has brought them closer. I love that.
Starting point is 00:51:05 I love that. You know, I'm glad we're focusing on, like, the, you know, the love lives of people right now. Like, what's going on in the relish? know I want to hear about I want to hear about two people who are deeply in love struggling to like talk about stuff couldn't I want to hear about somebody who got divorced over this dude you know that's coming yeah the the amount of Gaza divorces that we're going to see and they're going to come from all sides they're going to come from all sides you know the the most obvious
Starting point is 00:51:44 one to me is people who are like, oh, I didn't know I was married to a sociopath. I'm going to have to divorce. The other one is going to be, oh, I didn't know I was married to an anti-Semite. So I'm going to have to rethink that. And I will say the amount of like New York Times, like, what do you call it, personal interest stories regarding the love lives of Jewish New Yorkers, really tonally seems to be missing the mark. of what's going on right now. You know what I mean? Have you ever been in a relationship with a Zionist before? Someone who was like openly Zionist? Not that I know of. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, no, I don't think so.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I honestly, like, I didn't really start dating a lot until my comedy career. Oh, yeah. And so basically I would have to, I'd have to look back at, like, who I dated in my teens and 20s and be like, you know and I do you ever go through and check the social media just to yeah just see where just see where they're standing yeah I don't know who do they stand with what you know if they have a fruit emoji or do they have you know a fucking flag you know you right you want to know who they're standing with you want to know what color ribbon they got on yeah yeah no it's uh that's that's that's good That's good. I mean, I would imagine, and I, you know, I don't know if this exists, but as someone who thinks a lot about different, you know, sex stuff, I imagine there's got to be, like, a Zionist lady, like, who, like, likes to fuck Palestinians.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Yeah, it's a kink. Like a kink thing, yeah. Yeah. Is that ever happening? Well, I mean, I'm sure I've had the offer, but I haven't taken it. Oh, yeah. That's good. You have self-respect.
Starting point is 00:53:50 I mean, I'll be honest. Like, you know, I dated someone who was a little anti-Semitic one time, but it was like part of it. I don't know. It just got a little, it got a little weird. She wanted me to wear the Keepa. And she kept saying she loved Jews. And, but then I went over to her house and she had posters of, um, uh what's his name fucking uh what is it dean martin and who's the fucking the other guy uh adolf hitler
Starting point is 00:54:22 no oh uh what's his fucking name jude me and dean martin i'm like blanking because i have fucking strep throat um jerry lewis she had pictures of like fucking straight up posters of Jerry Lewis all over her room, and I realized, like, this, like, Jewish fetish she had was for, like, very, like, nebishy, like, fucking Jews. And I was like, no, this is, this is an anti-Semitic fetish. And, you know, and she would hit me a lot. Anyways, I'm just saying good for you. I'm glad that you have self-respect. Um, and I go, I occasionally get, like, DMs from, like, a girl. She's like, hey, if you want to, like, grab a cup of coffee, just letting you know i'm an anti-zionist jew i'm like no no you had me at hey yeah you had me at like
Starting point is 00:55:16 grabbing a cup of coffee with a girl hell yeah that's basically sex yeah yeah hell yeah um before we get out of here uh i want to do uh just a couple of uh wonderful social media hits um from the hasbarosphere um Sammy are you are you Are you someone who watches Hulu? You ever watch stuff on Hulu? It's been a while, but I have an account, yeah. Yeah. So Hulu has been running this ad recently that, once again,
Starting point is 00:55:52 mouthpiece of Israel, Alon Levy posted recently. This is a video from Israel's PR department that is made. Well, I'll just play it for you. Come visit beautiful Gaza. With its stunning beaches and charming boardwalks, you can stay in one of our five-star hotels and get a taste of the best in Middle Eastern food. Embrace the vibrant nightlife of the city
Starting point is 00:56:28 and experience a culture, rich, and tradition that this is what Gaza could have been like without Hamas. So, for those of you who are listening at home and didn't have the pleasure of being able to view this wonderful ad that happened in between episodes of, you know, it's always sunny in Philadelphia, or whatever the fuck you're watching on there, the ad, you know, plays a lot like a... you know, travel fucking, you know, the tourist board of Gaza, come visit Gaza. And you probably didn't notice upon first watch, all those images were AI. Did you notice that, Sam? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, it is, you really, I mean, you got to be impressed with the, like, commitment Israel has
Starting point is 00:57:36 to not using any Arab laborer that if they can help it. You know what I mean? They're just like, no, no, no, no, no. We can make, AI can make guys for us to hate. I think we figured out who posted the Taylor Swift images. Yeah, I know. Seriously. It is very similar.
Starting point is 00:58:00 I mean, but those are good, though. I didn't see them, but it's wrong. I'll say that For sure It's wrong For sure It's wrong But yeah
Starting point is 00:58:12 That was It's just like That's fucking crazy to me Because the entire refrain Of like This is what Gaza Could have been like You know
Starting point is 00:58:22 If only It's the classic This could have been us Yeah yeah This could be us But you're playing But you playing with fire This could be us
Starting point is 00:58:35 But you Hamas that's the new that's the new meme i love it this could be us but you humah uh yeah it is it's just a fucking it's such a a sickening thing that they've been doing this idea of like you know why didn't gaza turn into this flourishing you know it's like it's a beach it's a beach city you know it's got you know it's got middle eastern food it could have been all these things if only it wasn't for hamas um which you know if you want to get into the history of the Hezbara
Starting point is 00:59:10 there is the idea that Gaza is a sovereign, was a sovereign entity because of the pullout of the Israeli settlements in 06. Yeah, it's not an occupation, Matt. Yeah, no. It's pulled out in 2005.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Exactly, exactly. Because they pulled out, it's not an occupation. And, you know, then they elected Hamas, and then Hamas. you know because of the election of Hamas now you know and they voted for they voted for they voted they all voted for Hamas democratically all of them all of them individually and in
Starting point is 00:59:49 perpetuity uh progeny included voted for Hamas and uh yeah and this this idea that uh this I mean in one aspect they're right they're like if it wasn't for Hamas you know it wouldn't been this way. Now, it would have been this way either, no matter who they had elected, had it been, you know, Fatah, or, you know, fucking any branch of the Palestinian Authority or whatever party. But, you know, part of the Hezbarra has also been the idea that because Hamas was elected, they went in there and they just started doing a civil war and they started killing Fatah. and anyone affiliated with the PA, not actually what happened. What actually happened was Israel did not accept the results of a democratic election of Hamas.
Starting point is 01:00:49 And instead, what they did was they and the United States colluded to do Akuta Taa and install their hand-chosen leaders, I think through Fata. and then Hamas said nah and then there was fighting and then with Hamas coming out the winner they decided to do a full-on siege and blockade so they are blockaded from air land and sea no one goes in no one goes out without a permit and it is yeah it's been a siege so really it's fun to watch the same like propaganda
Starting point is 01:01:34 over and over again and everyone is just supposed to never learn about these subjects ever. Right, right, right, right. But I like how they're always like, it's not an occupation, like, as if total blockade and siege, like, sounds better.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Right, yeah. Well, yeah, it's a siege. They are a free-caged people. Yeah, right, exactly. You know, it's like you know have you ever had like a cage-free egg it's like that but yes it's true eggs are caged by their own shell but that's that's natural basically it's organic but not cage-free right exactly it's organic that's free range it's free range but not cage-free exactly i mean listen you can parse this any way you want all i'm saying is they could have done anything
Starting point is 01:02:24 with the amount of food and money we let in there um but they they they you know what they did they built terror tunnels um and by terror tunnels i mean they built uh tunnels in order to actually smuggle enough goods in there to feed their population it is uh it's a lot of fun it's uh you know it's great um before we get out of here um just a few final thoughts i wanted to talk to you about um our previous manager uh if you have a minute. We both were represented by the same person, and I think we both were eventually dropped by that person. Well, before I get into that, have you faced any consequences from management or from, like, are you represented? Do you have? I'm not repped, so I'm also just kind of at
Starting point is 01:03:21 liberty to do and say whatever at this point. Oh, that's amazing. I mean, that's both, you know, good and also insane because you are a incredibly successful comedian who propped themselves up and usually people are
Starting point is 01:03:39 you know, chomping at the bit to you know at the very least leach you know it's like it's nice to be leached from because you know that you feel good when you're like oh this person is you know they think I'm special enough to leach off of
Starting point is 01:03:56 you know what i mean like even if you know they're not going to help you it's like it's nice when there's like a guy and he's got a business card and he's just like i'm just going to suck a little bit of your blood you know like it's nice to be wanted by a man in a suit for sure a hundred percent um but at one point uh you know we were both rep um and did you now my experience with this manager who will not be named um is i don't know if he was somebody who uh dropped me necessarily because of zionism slash anti zionism did you get any sense whatsoever that that was involved in uh his decision not to continue working with you uh no i don't think so um i think it was just you i think the problem was you it's always been you
Starting point is 01:04:46 Fuck. Nice try, Matt. But yeah, no. I mean, you know, the thing is, is I believe, because my approach has never explicitly been anti-Zionists. Sure. I've never been, I've never been as harsh with my words as you, and namely and many other people.
Starting point is 01:05:07 Like, I'm, being Palestinian, I'm also, like, kind of limited to, you know, playing within a certain tone in order to remain, you know, beloved in. So within that framework and also within the framework of back in the day, a lot of my sketches were done with my roommate Toby and we were doing like, you know, Israel, Palestine stuff that was like, you know, some people found it, you know, too normalizing and some people found it like too cute. But like, I think that like, you know, my manager at the time was he said he liked it and he even, I have like a chunk of material. on the situation and he said like he said he liked it and he put it he put it in my submission for uh just for laughs nice and and they and they rejected it so it wasn't him but uh that's nice yeah yeah but but again at the same time you and i were speaking different truths uh so yeah i i was literally working for al jazeera yeah yeah well there you go yeah which was his uh i think it's the first time that he was just like,
Starting point is 01:06:16 Hey, Al Jira does comedy now? It's like, well, AJ Plus does. But yeah, no, it's just, it's always interesting. I think, like, one of the, I think,
Starting point is 01:06:29 scary things about the idea of a blacklist is, you know, it's not like McCarthyism in the sense that, like, I'm not worried about comedians getting, like, taken in front of, like,
Starting point is 01:06:42 a congressional hearing. Um, I mean, that would be sick. I would love to have that stage time. Um, but it's like more so blacklisting is done in the way it's always done, which is you just don't get the job that you tried to get. You know, you, you, you end up putting yourself out there, um, you know, putting your name in, putting your packet down. And, uh, you don't get it. And you don't know why you don't get the job. You just don't. Um, and so I think it's one. And so I think it's one. Um, you know, one of the things that makes this industry a little bit, you know, precarious is that you just, you just keep doing free work in hopes that someone gives you money for the work. And it's one of the reasons why people don't want to fuck around with politics, they don't want to or with any hot button issue. Was there ever a time where you felt like you were maybe being like in any way like held back or like not getting something, due to being Palestinian or you know it's it's unclear I don't I don't have any like direct
Starting point is 01:07:51 evidence and so I don't like to speculate sure if I if I don't have evidence I will say I was fully wrapped I had manager agent like the industry was very interested in me in 2014 and in I posted one sketch in 2014 when it came out I started talking about it on stage and then in 2015 last comic standing aired my Palestinian joke. Yeah. So first of all, I do know that it was specifically, it was Wanda Sykes, who was like, hey, I booked you because of this.
Starting point is 01:08:24 I liked you're talking about it. And so she was actually like, hey, like, yeah, shout out. Shout out to Wanda. Yeah. And, and, but then I, um, I didn't get any further in that competition. And then later that year I got dropped by my agency. So like
Starting point is 01:08:42 there was a, there was a, there was a timing. alignment about like when I started became like publicly talking about it uh versus you know and getting dropped and getting kind of lost the industry but the manager we speak up he stayed with me he stayed with me for years so yeah you know it's it's really hard to say but that said like for somebody who you know and I try not to be cocky when it doesn't matter but for somebody who does like extremely well on stage most of the time in every Hollywood room like especially the industry rooms that I did and like crushed every audition and crushed every showcase set, it was surprising to me that I didn't get much attention from industry post-2015.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Yeah, yeah. And I think surprising to this day that your success has been entirely self-made and you are like still not repped. And does it? Have there not been offers or is it just been like, you know, like, are you, are you picky? Well, yeah, I am very picky, but surprisingly haven't even had the opportunity to be. There's only been, I've only been, I believe when it comes to management, I've only had two offers. The one that we speak of. And this was, and this was, and everything was buzzing for me. Like I got Conan. I'd finish my thousand days. Yeah. It would be a mistake not to rep me. And at that time, like a lot of other people were. interested but he got me and then i got with an agency and everything like that and then kind of got like lost from the graces of industry and uh the manager we speak of we we had parting ways during covid so it's like everything was falling apart so like that kind of made sense um but i had a
Starting point is 01:10:30 netflix credit and then like you know i did the the zoom stuff a lot so i had to kind of this presence during covid and then a manager approached me the following year in 2021 because of a reference from a friend and very very sweet man he kind of an old school guy he uh he he repped a lot of people like in the 90s yeah and um he he believed in me a lot he like very old school i love it he needed an update on like how things were yeah uh how do i contact you if i don't know your address you know seriously he's like let me call up i'm like no you can just email you know what it was a lot of that yeah yeah yeah but he was a very sweet guy and he And he believed in me.
Starting point is 01:11:12 And he also really supported the Palestinian angle. And he was a Jewish, he was a Jewish man. He was very, very supportive the Palestinian angle. So I was like, dude, I was like, you know, I was like, I fuck with this guy. Like, if he believes in me, he likes what I do. Like, I'm going to find it ended up not working out over some business stuff later on. But we were kind of working together for like a year. And then since then, like nothing.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Nobody, I have a college agent who I've been with for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because because they like diversity. but uh but uh but yeah but like you know how much colleges love those palestinians are always we have to keep kicking their groups off of campus that we have a booking for you at harvard uh no uh so so basically yeah yeah so really like nobody nobody else is approached like not not not even once um well i know that this uh podcast is listened to by tons of managers and agents.
Starting point is 01:12:13 Yeah, yeah. They watch it to get mad and potentially find talent. Yeah, they mostly just watch it to see who they're going to blacklist. No, but, you know, listen, I think, I just think it's insane because you're, you've consistently been one of the funniest people from the jump. I mean, you know, I don't think I knew you when you were not funny. I'm sure you were not funny at some point. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 01:12:36 but yeah you're you're an immense talent and listen if i uh you know it's like this is why i wish i wish the jews did run the media because then i would run the media you know and uh and then i would be then i'd be helping i'd be doing all sorts of like cool shit i appreciate it i appreciate it so just know that like you know if i ever had the power i'd help me first you like probably third though dog probably third you got a wife and kids man yeah that's why i say third it'd be me my wife and then you and then my kids and then your kid yeah thank you well she she doesn't contribute to shit so right right um Sammy I want to thank you so much for coming on talking about this shit with me really appreciate it and um I just want to uh
Starting point is 01:13:31 point out once again uh Sammy where can people find you where can people get your stand-up clips and where can they see you perform i'm on all the socials uh at sammy obeyed except tic talk because i had to make a new handle at sammy obeyed them um but uh you know go to google you can put in sammy oh it usually auto fills the rest so you don't have to spell my name um and i'm doing a nationwide and international tour so you can catch me pretty much everywhere this year if i if a city's big i'll hit it twice for three times in a year coming up next i got dc pittsburgh some hawaii dates uh new york jersey you name it everywhere basically so check it out on my website sammy ko dot com just google sammy obeyed
Starting point is 01:14:19 you'll see me google sammy obeyed uh go get tickets to wherever he is performing um i i can't recommend enough watching sammy uh do stand up live uh you know if you're someone who watches clips clips Clips are great. You're not even getting close to how good it is to watch you. Because you're a great comic, bro. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate that. And thank you for coming on. Of course. Yeah. Thanks everyone out there for listening.
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