Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 23: Back Dat Hamass Up, with Indie Nile

Episode Date: April 17, 2024

Palestinian YouTuber and drag therapist Indie Nile joins Matt and Daniel for conversation about zionism, drag, Iran's retaliation for Israel's attack, and Eylon Levy's saddest hasbara.Watch Indie Nile's fantastic channel here Visit Daniel's website at https://www.danielmate.com/ and check out his mental chiropractic service at https://www.walkwithdaniel.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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All of garden us White foster us Zabra Hamas Hasbaras Hello and welcome to Bad Hasbara, the world's most moral podcast. My name is Matt Lieb. I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast. I want to thank everyone out there who's joined the Patreon.

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welcome Daniel Mote Who doesn't have to clap at home Of course they have to clap at home I would like to discourage the people From clapping at home Don't clap shame Listen if you feel like clapping at home To your favorite podcast

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Yeah it's the digital underground principle It's the digital underground principle. Do what you like. Exactly. Love me some digital underground. Love all hip hop from that era. Daniel, how you doing? RIP shock G.

I'm a little uncomfortable, Matt. I got to say, like physically, because I'm actually sitting on the world's worst bad house bar a pun. It's like, and it's like, you know, when you're sitting on, like sitting on something and it's just in that spot? Oh, yes. I know 100%. Usually it's uncomfortable because I'm waiting for my mom.

moment to bust it out. Is that what you're dealing with? I'm just, it's like, it feels like a, like a goiter down there. I'm just going to have to pop it by, by sharing it, I think. I would love you to share it. But it's so bad. It's going to be a colossal disaster. That's the thing.

Like, I know it's going to be terrible and everyone's going to groan and they're going to do the opposite of clap at home. They're going to, they're going to wish they got the clap at home. is so intense that I almost feel like this is what it must be like to be Sting's dick you know what I mean like just all the time edging edging not quite there yet but is this is this is this fair game and like stand-up comedy to like work the like prepare the crowd for a joke and like insulate by telling them it's going to be 100% usually people do it sneakily by looking at their notebook pretending as if it's

something they don't quite remember but remember it they just want to signal to the audience that like I just wrote this down it's no big deal if you don't like it but you're doing it honestly by saying I have it it's bad I would like I've been sitting on it for days so I'm going to tell it please all right let me just get this right so exciting what did the Alabamaan dessert sorry the anti-zionist Alabamaan dessert chef say when he rejected his produce shipment for that week. Fuck, what a setup. Like, it's a, you would have never gotten this in naturally.

I don't know. So we're talking an Alabamaan, anti-Zionist. Anti-Zionist dessert chef. Dessert chef. Mm-hmm.

What did he do? Who sent back, who sent back the entire produce shipment, and he called the supplier. And what did he say? Um, he said, uh,

it's a time for this. dessert i don't know what what he said now now listen here i i don't do this very often but y'all sent me a bad raspberry oh my god a bad raspberry oh my god this raspberry is bad i think this show is canceled is over it's over i think that's it which is unfortunate because uh we have a great guest today that i was so excited to introduce but i mean you all shouldn't have yeah you Y'all shouldn't have encouraged me in the comments after Bad Jazz Barra. Yeah. Everyone said, no, it was fine.

It's okay. Keep going. Never do that. Always change. Never support. Just kidding. We have a fantastic guest today. Our guest in the most moral third chair is a wonderful YouTuber and a Palestinian

and just somebody who, I was, honestly, I mean, this is completely, I'll just be honest, I was introduced to them by someone saying, hey, there's this great YouTube channel that started talking about, you know, Israel and Gaza and everything. And they've been playing clips of your show. And I was like, well, I have an ego. I would like to watch. And it was fantastic. And I started watching all of all of his content and I'm very excited to introduce

ladies and gentlemen and everyone else our guest today is Indy Nile Hey Hey how are you doing I'm good

I've also been rehearsing a line just like Daniel so let me try this one Oh please please Yeah I'm the gay Palestinian who's about to be thrown off a roof by Hamas Yes

Queen You just get out ahead of that one Yeah, yeah. Because you know it's coming. In fact, I had a joke prepared to ask you about that. Yeah. I delivered it so much better in front of my bathroom mirror, but yeah, it's okay. I love that.

I love that the idea of our guests practicing what their opening line is going to be. It means we have a format. The bones of that joke are really solid. Yes, yes. And they were broken as soon as you fell down. Unlike mine, yeah. Yeah, they're broken as soon as you fell off the roof. There's a lot to play with.

with. Indy, thank you so much for coming on. I've been watching your work ever since my ego drove me to your channel. And I've found so much kinship with you on several fronts. One of them, obviously being both of our support for, you know, Palestinians and being against genocide. Yeah. The other is that, much like me, I noticed before you started talking about this on your channel, you were doing a lot of videos regarding pop culture and reality shows and video essays. And I have been doing a Sopranos rewatch podcast and then a The Wire rewatch podcast. So my channel also went through the sort of metamorphosis. I wanted to ask you, about that what has it been like you know for you in the in the past few months and why did you

decide to start talking about all this yeah it's it's funny i used to do love is blind i used to analyze the show love is blind and um i always lip sync and i do i call myself a drag therapist because i'm obviously not a therapist i'm an armchair therapist but i lip sync to you and a lot of it actually gabur matty your dad is actually one person i lip sync to all the time And interestingly, yeah, interestingly, the last video I did before start to talk about Gaza was about Chandler, you know, the Matthew Perry from Friends. He had just passed away. Yeah. And I made a video about addiction and I lip-synced as Gabor giving advice to Matthew.

Yeah, it was a trip. But I was so sad. And that was around October 8, 9 and I was like, okay, I got to say something about pastime. But I was so afraid to lose my subscribers and what's going to happen. These people sign up for reality TV. But then the more it went on, it was almost like Israel just forced everyone to become more vocal about Palestine, I feel. I was really scared. But then, yeah, you just have to.

It was like, fuck it. Of course I have to talk about this. But it was a slow process, I have to say, because I'm what you call a privileged Palestinian. I grew up in Dubai. I've never, I don't know what it's like to be under bombs. You know, I don't know that experience. Right. But I know, yeah.

So, yeah, it was a very interesting problem. process, reclaiming my identity for the lack of a better word. And you've talked about your identity, you know, a bit, obviously, in some of your video essays. And one of the things that I related to a lot was when you said that, you know, you, you know, at times in the past, you kind of avoided telling people you were Palestinian because of the kind of like immediate reaction to it, the conversation that always follows, whether it's positive or negative. I relate to that as a comedian because if I'm in an Uber and someone asks, what do I do? If I say comedian, then they just want to like talk.

They want me to tell a joke. It's a whole thing. So, you know, very similar. But I wanted to ask you like what to expand on that. Like what is it been like, you know, being. someone who is Palestinian and having your entire identity be politicized. Yeah, that's an interesting one. You know, years ago, I was at an airport in Italy, way, and I met a bunch of Israelis,

and they asked me where I'm from, my side to I'm Palestinian. They were like, you know, that doesn't exist, right? And I was so shell-shocked and speechless. I was like, I wish I had something clever to say, but I couldn't. There were a big groups. I was also a little bit scared. And then that kind of experience sums up how I feel about being Palestinian. Like if I go on a date or whatever here in Amsterdam, I say, yeah, I'm from Dubai.

So, you know, so that doesn't have a, yeah, it doesn't, it's not as charged as when you say Palestinian. But also, I kind of, I feel like reclaiming my Palestinian identity, it's reconnecting with my dad who passed away a long time ago. Because he used to always talk about Palestine because he was born in 1946. So when they were kicked out, he was two years old. He would always talk to me about that, and I'd be like, get over it. We have such a nice life in Dubai, like, what are you complaining about? And now I'm like, damn, I wish I could speak to him about his pain and what he went through. So, yeah, it's been, yeah, interesting.

And how has your audience who had gotten used to you speaking about frivolous things like, well, sorry, let me know. Yeah, please. Can you not say privileged? Unbelievable. It is. Love is flying in the wire are important, Daniel. They are important. The wire, yeah, let me be talking about things I don't relate to, like reality TV.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or I've stayed away from. And I'm of the age where I remember where it came, like reality TV starred in the late 90s. And I was like, peace out. I'm out of this culture. Like, I see where this is going. But, you know, it's a bias because I'm sure I've missed a lot of good things. You know, and sometimes someone puts on the great British baking show.

And I'm like, damn, this is must watch television. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, what I'm curious about is you had, you built an audience. around a certain kind of quote unquote content and then you know something happens in the world and all of a sudden you're giving them something new

what's the response been like? Yeah I mean I lost some of them but like it doubled like I was I was like 18,000 subscribers and I was so happy because I built that over three years and I was like oh my God this is great and my audience were all like women because I talk about because when I say drag

therapist. I talk about self-help a lot and I put myself as the butt of the joke as I'm the person who struggles and I'm always single, blah, blah, blah. So my audience was already kind of like a nice audience. They were receptive, but there were some Zionists in there, I have to say, that came out pretty aggressively. And what's interesting Zionists, I noticed the reaction is when you criticize Israel, they're kind of, yeah, they're aggressive and you expect them, but they get very aggressive when you talk about Palestinian pain. They can't bear it. Yeah. oh my god they starts like they if i show pictures of palestinian kids they'd be like oh these are actors and just ridiculous things like that so it's been interesting but it's also been in

for me my whole drag journey which i started during the pandemic has been in many ways about becoming more myself so it's been every time i lean into who i am things get better so it's been great i mean i'm sorry that all these palisinians had to die for me to discover myself but you know yeah Yeah, that's definitely a feeling that I feel like a lot of people have had is this like this, you know, on the one hand, great kind of mass awakening of people who are, you know, realizing what Israel is and what Zionism is. And like discovering the actual history versus the kind of programming that, you know, either if you're in the Jewish community that you've been programmed with or if you're in just kind of regular Western society, that you've just been told. by teachers, by, you know, movies, by the news. It's just everyone's kind of coming to it. And it's coming, of course, you know, because of this mass atrocity that we're watching.

And, you know, it's funny when you're, I was going through your channel and I wish I had seen the Gabar Mate lip sync videos. I'm glad I didn't. Yeah, I was thinking like, shit. How it must be freaky. Like if I came on with somebody lip syncing to my mom or my dad's voice, that'd be like, girl, calm down. It's a bit much.

Someone, someone sampled his voice over a hip hop track. That was kind of cool. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, it actually depends what kind of mood or space I'm in on a given day. Like, if I'm feeling like solid in myself and I see something like that, I'm like, oh, that's funny. But if I'm like, if I'm having a bad day or I'm stressed out, I'm like, Jesus, dad, like, like,

Not like that. Like, don't come to me in that form. Like, it's the state-up to me in drag form. Yeah. Yeah, but it's funny. I discovered Matt's work because of what's happening right now, Begaza, but actually I knew you, Daniel, because I've been, the only crossover is Gabor Matte,

because I used to do, like I lips into a lot of therapists and self-help, let's say, teachers and gurus. But he's the only one who's been like a pro-Palestinian Jew. Through him, I started discovering, my favorite videos where you and him doing the father and son, kind of putting yourself out there in a very vulnerable position on stage, talking about what it's like to be an adult child of a parent, who's kind of looking back at, and I'm like, damn, that's hardcore. Because I do this drag show where I play my mother and my dad, but they're not with me on the stage.

Right. Yes. But this is next level. It's so confronting. You're working it out through art. I'm working it out through pedagogy, like teaching with him. And we're writing a book on that very topic right now. And it's...

Oh, wonderful. Yeah, it's our next book. And it's not a light topic. Sure. But you've already written a book together, right? The myth... Yeah, but that was his book, which I gave an assist on. The Myth of Normal was on the topics.

This is on a topic that he's never written about and that has to do with us, but it has do with every parent, adult child, and what it takes to sort of refresh that relationship. Anyway, that's for another time, but yes. Yeah. Well, I did come across, though, Indy, one of your other lip syncs that I thought was great, and the way you introduce it is essentially, you know, it's like when you are doing drag as the characters that you do, you are expressing. something in yourself and connecting with them on this other level where you're fully

embodying them in a way that is actually like you're incredibly good at it. And I've never actually seen, you know, my, you know, experience with drag is fairly limited. So, you know, I've seen lip syncing to music, you know, to songs or whatnot. But I've never seen it. You think of Bet Midler, Judy Garland, those kinds of diva icons. And a handful of movies and then a few of the drag shows I went to when I used to live in San Francisco. But your kind of mixture of therapy and drag is something that is like wholly unique to me. I've never seen anything like it. And you did this wonderful lip sync to normal.

Norman Finkelstein. Oh, I love. Oh, my God. And it's so good. And I'm going to play some of it right now. Play him. Because through him, I am allowed to touch the pain that I feel for Palestinians and for the part of me that is Palestinian. Because to face it head on is a little bit too much for me. So sometimes I do this in all areas of my life. Every time something is very painful, I need some kind of a performance piece to kind of like ease my way towards my own pain. And I found the best person who touched that pain through someone like Norman Pinklstein.

I don't like to play before an audience the Holocaust card. But since now I feel compelled to, my late father was an outshed. My late mother, please shut up. My late father was an out. My late mother was in my dominant concentration camp. Every single member of my family on both sides was exterminated. And it's precisely and exactly because of the lessons my parents taught me and my two siblings that I will not be silent when Israel commits its crimes against the Palestinians.

And I consider nothing more despicable than to use their suffering to try to justify the torture, the brutalization, the demolition of home that Israel daily commits against the Palestinians. If you had any heart in you, you would be crying for the Palestinians, not for what you are. that is so impressive like it's like i've the because you didn't just like dress up as him the facial expressions and the blinking and the talking with the eyes closed and open like you've you've done it perfectly it's maybe you shouldn't show the gabur mattoe daniel because i also get into I feel like you'd like it, Daniel. I'm going to... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can cure it up if you want. Well, I can't find it, but at some point I'll send it to you. Yeah, please. But what I noticed is I can tell that you're actually doing the accent. I can tell by your mouth movements what my parents taught me, you know, like his Jewish Brooklyn accent. Like, you're really embodying him and you're not playing it for laughs. You're actually...

No. It's full... embodiment. Now, is there facial, is, like, you know how Kyle Dunnigan does, um, impersonations using face, like deep fake technology? Is there any of that going on? No, just, just makeup. Just makeup. Nice makeup job. And thank you. You got the nose too. Yeah, yeah. I, I really painted those nostrils. I love, I love, I love, I love, and honestly, like, I, first of all, if I lip sync someone, that means I really love them. And like you said, Matt, like, I, I, I, I, I, I, want to understand what they're like.

And this journey has been, thanks to people like you guys and Jewish voices for peace and Katie Helper and Norm, it's like, now I know, oh, fuck, the problem isn't between us. It's not a clash of civilizations, as they always say. And thanks to people like Norm, who, by the way, actually is kind of like, he's a, what I love about Norman, he's an intellectual, but he's also very spicy. Oh, yeah. Yes. Have you read his, have you read his book?

I'll burn that bridge when I get to it? Yes, the title alone is like, all right, you better work, Norm. Yeah, I mean, he goes hard. And I think that's like one of the things that for years was almost, you know, his, his downfall in a sense. Oh, there it is. Nice. Yeah. And not down.

Norman X. Norman X. Binkle's team. You see that? That's what he goes. Hell yeah. The X stands for anti-Semitic extremist. I'm just kidding. Yeah, that's right. Extremely not giving a fucks.

You know, at the end of this video that you queued up, I lip sync to him again in an interview talking to Candace Owen because that line of his haunts me all the time. He says that he goes into the lift and he sees a kid and he plays with a kid, but then he immediately thinks of the kids in Gaza. And ever since I lip sync that line, because I like kids. like when I walk out, I find kids so cute. But ever since I heard him say that,

every time I see a parent happy with their child, I think, like, how hard it must be for Palestinian parents. And it's just like this, almost it makes you appreciate life, but at the same time, be so weighed down by the injustice. It's really like such a mind fuck what's going on at the moment. It's like the best of humanity and the worst of humanity at the same time. Yeah, yeah, completely. And it's, you know, I have a similar reaction.

in that like I actually you know was I was like you know I like it was like kids are fine whatever you know obviously I didn't want any kids to you know ever be hurt or nothing but I you know I subscribed to one of my favorite Instagram channels was kids getting hurt it was like you know they would like someone would kick a kick ball and it would hit one in the face and I was like that's funny someone falling over you know out of their chair when they hear the ice cream truck good shit. But then I had a child and now I'm like I cannot see children getting hurt which you know is for me like the last six months have been hell in terms of you know obviously not as hellish as anyone currently in Gaza but hell for me you know social media wise because I have just been

inundated with the death and maiming of children And I think that, like, what's that? Can I ask you? Well, since you've given up, like Gaza aside, since you've given up watching Instagram channels of, you know, American kids getting hurt, what do you do for fun? What do you do for anything? Oh, well, now I just watch, you know, like, animals getting hurt. Yeah, I watch adults getting hurt.

I, you know, I'll be honest, a big thing I watch now is when two animals fight. I saw a chimp kill a little, I think it was a spider monkey recently. It was wild, guys. Listen, this is what the algorithm feeds me. You like one video of, you know, a gazelle being eaten by an alligator, and all of a sudden, you know, they're just like, here's some more animal deaths. You know, the algorithm is never wrong, by the way.

Yeah, no, the algorithm, you know, it knows us better than we know ourselves. I think, you know, it's very clear. But, yeah, I, you know, as soon as this all was happening, having a, you know, a small, having an infant, obviously, also, I think for me was something that led me to get to a boiling point where, you know, not talking about this felt like not talking about things like if I was alive. during the American slave trade or alive, you know, during the Holocaust in America or, you know, a live, basically any time in which there was mass atrocities happening, would I not say anything? It's like the idea of it is so ridiculous. And yet you see it so much, people who just for various reasons are afraid to talk about it. And I commend you for doing so,

because I think it's also an unfair expectation upon the Palestinian diaspora to be like, it's unfair to expect you to talk about it. You know, people have a lot of critiques of like DJ Khalid, and I do too. I mean, his music not great. but you don't like air horns I listen I love air horns I think the more air horns the better in fact this

the listeners of this podcast are lucky that I have not been able to get my sound pads to work for a little while because there would be mostly air horns I'm writing a symphony for just reggae horn for gunshots and a full air horn section you know

baritone air horn all the way up to soprano air horn oh i love it i love it airhorn harmonies um but yeah uh you know i i think that like obviously dj college should probably say something he's a a big deal but i i do feel like you know it takes a lot of emotional energy especially when it is your people who are the victims of all of this yeah but you know it's funny when you when you were saying before like my kind of downplaying your pains like what is it compared to what Palestinians are feeling and I noticed that a lot of pro-Palestinian American Jews and also Palestinians in the diaspora were always like but you know but it's nothing like what they're feeling which is of course true but I think

it just speaks to us having empathy and having a heart because I'm gonna go really cheesy but we are all really connected yeah like I think it's normal to to feel with yeah I think this is the normal way like for you for your heart to suffer and for you to feel guilty and this is the appropriate reaction so yeah i don't know where i'm going with this but no yes it's it's hard for yeah indeed for i think for all of us yeah yeah watching this for on i ticot basically yeah yeah watching a genocide live on ticot is uh one of the modern uh horrors of this age daniel you you uh were saying you had a question yeah so speak Speaking of things that, I think Matt said something about, you know, what's expected

of Palestinians in times like this, I saw a video you did about how Zionism basically keeps Zionists hostage ideologically, how the propaganda worked. And what I was struck by was it wasn't condemnatory. I mean, you didn't need to condemn because obviously what you're describing is so horrific. and we understand where you're coming from. But it wasn't like throwing epithets like these settler-colonialist Zionists, which they are. It's not inaccurate.

But you were going to a place that's closer to what I've been doing, and maybe it was even kinder than what I've been doing on social media, where you were getting into the psychology of what these people are hanging on to and why, and really looking at them as a kind of strange phenomenon and trying to understand it in a way that necessarily involves a certain degree of human compassion, or at least insight. It wasn't sentimental compassion, like, oh, I feel so bad for them. But it felt very humanizing, which I think makes it more effective, when you can understand how human beings can become a certain way. It's actually scarier than, and more, like, relatable, and, you know,

and sobering in a way that just lobbing invective and vitriol doesn't, even though what I've been saying to Palestinians over and over again since October 7th is you are not obligated right now to give Zionists the time of day at all. You shouldn't be obligated to explain your people's history. You shouldn't be obligated to do anything. If you don't have the bandwidth for it, I completely understand. Leave that to Jews like us to help people understand Zionist propaganda. winding my way to my question. Why did you choose to make a video like that? Where do you find

the bandwidth to do that? And why take that approach in breaking it down like that? Well, thank you. I mean, yeah, that's how I am in general as a person. Like I told you, I'm doing this direction of why I'm playing my mother. I'm always trying to understand something that I resent or makes me angry. And I feel like I just need to. But what's interesting, when I made that video, and maybe it has something to do with the fact that I have something to do with the fact that have a PR background, so I'm obsessed with how people control the masses and their minds. I just love how that works and the psychology of it. But when I made that video, I was expecting a lot of hate.

But the following videos that I made were purely about Palestinian grief and how it's portrayed and how it's erased by the Zionist. Their reaction were like death threats wishing me how I'm going to die, how Hamas is going to kill me and throw me off a roof in very graphic detail, mind you? I'm like, Hamas is nowhere in the comments here. But I had an interesting epiphany about that. Even I want to make a new video about that. And maybe I want to get what, you see what you guys think of it.

They get so violent when I talk to them about Palestinian kids starving and being alone without their parents. It almost feels like, you know how those stories you hear when a kid from a family comes forward and says, you know, I was molested by my brother or uncle or whatever. And then the whole family gangs up on the one who was actually molested because they don't want. want to face the cruelty of what the brother or the uncle, the other person they know. And I feel like these people, they don't want to face how cruel Israel can be. It's like they'd rather deny the pain of Palestinians. And it's really, it's such a mind. Yeah, it's really something.

Well, so that analogy works even better for the way they react to fellow Israelis who speak about it, the former Israeli soldiers in breaking the silence. sure um the the the numerous not numerous enough but i know a number of them personally israelis who since october 7th or previous have had an awakening that the whole zionist dream is actually a nightmare and they want out of it and they want a different future the vitriol that's unleashed at them is crazy you know uh and as far as you taking it yeah if you think of it as a bigger the broader family, which, you know, Palestinians and Middle Eastern Jews are cousins at their most remote. That's what they are. You know, they may be the same people originally. You're

exposing family secrets. But I also just think it's not just that they don't want people to see what Israel's doing, but the existence of Palestinians is the core Zionist problem. Always was. and the fact that they exist and have feelings and have rights and have families and have memory of being of that place and still belonging to that place is an irreducible pebble in the shoe of Zionists. So when they see you doing what they take for granted that it's their right to do, which is speak about Jewish pain and Jewish suffering and all of that, I think there's a lot of projection. there's something they hate in themselves, and you represent. There's a lot of different things going on, I think.

Yeah, and it's interesting. When you say projection, because at this point, this is become a cliche, that every Zionist accusation is a projection, right? People say that all the time. And there's this thing that people always say, okay, Palestinians use their kids as human shields. But I have this theory, but I don't know if I, like, do you think that Israel uses Jews as human shields?

100%. They also use Palestinians as human shields. It's been demonstrated by amnesty. They literally, Israeli soldiers will grab a Palestinian kid and hold it in front of them. I mean, that's literal human shielding. That, yes, but I mean, the idea that because they claim to protect Jews. 100%. But then actually, why do you say that?

How? They use not just Jews as a human shield, but it's like they use Jews as a human shield in that they use anti-Semitism and accusations, you know, as a rhetorical shield, first and foremost. I mean, you know, the, every time there's a critique of Israel, there is a, you know, counter-critique of, well, you're just an anti-Semite. They also use the danger, you know, the danger to the Jews in order to justify all of their actions. They, you know, their currency is in Jewish feet. they trade in it and they create it and they also use Jews you know not just as like human shields but almost like I see Israelis especially after recently you know when it comes to with Iran and what happened there which we'll get into in a moment they use like Israeli

citizens are somewhat hostages. You know, they have taken the country, the entire country hostage because they are willing to put them at risk now more so than ever. Before they were just willing to put Jewish diaspora at risk. They don't care if they're cozying up to Victor Orban in Hungary, who is an out-and-out anti-Semite. They don't care about cozing up to right-wing movements in the United States. They don't care about the rise in, you know, anti-Semitism on the right in Europe. They will put Jews at risk. But now they don't care that they're putting their whole country at risk if it means they can, you know, the gamble will pay off with the ending of Iran.

But yeah, Daniel. I've also heard it said by Israelis, Israeli commentators. And I think Norm said this years ago, too. he called it a Spartan society where the army is glorified above all else and that Israel

has more grief and more concern for the deaths it's less ready to accept the deaths of its soldiers than it is to accept the deaths of its civilians and we see that with the so-called Hannibal directive which has been acted out in effect a number of times

including on October 7. Yes. And then during, you know, when those three hostages were shot, which is exactly as many hostages as Israel has rescued, you know, so it's kind of, those cancel each other out. But there's a kind of, you will not embarrass our boys in green. And they would rather have people, Israelis, die,

than go into captivity, not only because it's embarrassing but also because that gives Hamas or whoever a bargaining chip and Israel doesn't want to negotiate. They don't want to bargain. And you know that the genius of it is that I think maybe it's because it's been happening

for so long that they don't even need to do much. The conditioning is already there. The people are willing. Israelis are willing to be the sacrificial lamp for the lack of a better word like it's done. It's in their... I mean, a good portion of the population at this point

I refuse to believe that they don't see, you know, the consequences of being pro-genocide. I refuse to believe that they just don't see it. So at this point, it just says to me that they're either overconfident or they are willing to sacrifice themselves or their own people in order to uphold this state, which to me is, I mean, that's an ideology of death. that's an ideology the same as any death cult you know okay so yeah i wanted to ask you yeah sorry well it just it just says a lot that the people who are out in the streets in tel aviv saying to their government you're not doing anything to free the hostages are the dissenter like yeah that that that to take a pro hostage position in israel

is to oppose your own government. Yes. Whose cover story for what they're doing is we're freeing the hostages, which is what most North American Zionists and European Zionists and Western Zionists, Jewish and not, have just swallowed. But that's for foreign consumption. I think Israelis understand this isn't about that.

This is about quote unquote finishing the job, destroying Hamas, making Gaza into a parking lot. And the hostages have become a sentimental talking point. But I think the people who really give a shit about the hostages at this point are the people, out in the streets. Now, you know, I wish more of those people were, they had concerns beyond their own people and some of them are. Baby steps. But it's a baby step. And when you see the hostage families busting into the Knesset and screaming at Israeli politicians, it's thrilling to me. Because

it breaks the whole illusion that we care about our own people's lives. That's not what they care about. you made that distinction between like which in which language the propaganda is being spoken because I feel like Israel has three faces, the one for the Western consumption, which is always spoken in English, the face they speak in Hebrew to the Israelis, but then there's the real face which the Palestinians see, but also I think hostages and their families see the real face as well. Yes, yes. Because there's no lying there. Yeah, no, they don't bother to lie to the Palestinians.

They don't think it's worth their time And they think it's beneath them It's very clear that they are seeing the real face Unless they're unless they're saying fleet of the south It'll be safe, that's a lie That's true, yeah, that's right They'll lie there And then they'll mock and taunt and torture

Like, Happy Ramadan, stay safe, you know Yeah, oh my God, that's the worst Yeah, they're sadistic Yeah, completely sadistic army in the world And, you know, you talk about your interest in, like, PR and propaganda, and I think that is a good segue into talking about this latest round of Israeli Hasbara as it pertains to Iran's surprising and unconscionable attack against Israel. I mean, just like, out of no way. where Iran decides to start attacking Israel. And that is going to be our segue into our brand new segment that I am calling,

You're Not Crazy. Hell yeah. I made that right before we started. Can you tell? Your segment intros are the best. You know, the more rushed, the better. So today we're going to be talking about what happened. So this week, the world and everyone, the Middle East, the world, watched as Iran launch drones and missiles at Israel. The most slow-motion missile attack in history.

It was like watching the sloth in Zootopia, you know, at the... Yeah, it was the slowest smile ever. slow motion, you know, yeah, it was quite strange. They did seem to be going slow, but I just assume they were firing their slow ones. Well, they were, actually. Yes, they were for a very particular reason, which we'll get into. But as soon as this attack happened, we saw this, has barrow machine ramp up in a way that, you know, I guess I haven't seen for a while because, you know, it was the manufacturing of consent that happened after October

7th was to me, you know, obviously very similar to what I saw in, you know, 2002 vis-a-vis the war in Afghanistan in 2003, vis-a-vis the war in Iraq. And since then, it's just been this kind of like maintaining of consent through, you know, these wild fabrications about you know mass rapes mass beheadings uh these this atrocity porn that was you know baby sauteing yes this yeah the baby sautaying the you know uh putting it in the oven for baby and me you know the first they marinated the babies in a rosemary lemon uh marinade They battled the baby, one wet hand, one dry hand. Then they chopped three scallions very finely.

All right, well, let's be careful talking about this, because remember, jokes about that fake story is what got that poet in Gaza drone to death. Do you remember? Yeah, Rafat. Yeah, he made a joke on Twitter about it because he was so clearly. fake and that snowballed into his eventual targeting and execution who by the way

six days from now is the first night of Pesach, Passover. And I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that my family Haggada this year includes that poem. Oh, that's beautiful. I hope that other people will or include other writings by Palestinians because without that I don't think it's

a real satyr this year. Bro. Don't make me cry on my comedy podcast. podcast. I'm not crying, you're crying. You're killing me. But that is beautiful and, you know, and I'm going to do it as well now. I'm still.

I would also just say, I think you're right that they were maintaining and maintaining and maintaining and maintaining. Yeah. Until April 1st and 2nd, when they bombed the embassy, did the El Shifa massacre, and then, to top it all off, as, you know, as the dessert, the World Central Kitchen bomb. And they didn't, they had no response to that. No. And they'd been reeling for a couple of weeks.

And then Iran gave them, gave them, what's the word, second wind? Yes. Yeah. And speaking of this Hasbara around the Iran attack, did you see the guy, the spokesperson at UN, the Israeli one who was showing his iPad to everybody? He's like, look at the bombs falling on top of the Aksa Mosque, as if they care about Muslims. Yeah. Right. It's so disgusting.

Like, you're literally bombing mosques in Gaza. And as if the bombs weren't extremely high above Alexa and not falling anywhere near it. Yes. It's like they, they, they, you are not crazy, listeners. They do think you are that stupid. They think the whole world is that stupid where they can't understand perspective in a video

where it's like, look, they're firing at the Alaksa Mosque. It's like, no, that is, no, that's over. Do you think we? Yeah, that's literally the angle. the angle of the camera it's crazy how far do you think you're going to get with this very like obvious

you know charade but they you know get pretty far the only missiles that made landfall actually were in am I right they were in the Negev and they were on military targets yeah at the base yes and and this is an important thing because you know as soon

as this happened number one the the news did a pretty good job of just not mentioning for a good while, the idea of this being, in some way, a retaliation attack for the bombing. Yes, for the bombing of Iranian sovereign territory in a consulate that was blown up in Damascus. And, you know, instead it was just like, what is going on here? And it was so clear that they were going to, basically, they're manufacturing another, you know, inciting event in order to do what they are currently gearing up to do right now,

which is either try to pull the West or at the very least states in the Middle East into a war with Iran or more likely use this as an excuse to really go after Lebanon and really like, you know, not hold back anymore on the northern front in Israel. and start like, I mean, who knows what they're going to do to Lebanon at this point. But I, I, I, my biggest fear, yeah. Yeah, my biggest fear is, is for that because I think that is, I think they'd be stupid to think that the United States in any way is going to revert back to 2002 neocon, you know, times and invade Iran with them.

It's just, it's just, I don't, I, it's possible, but I, you know, my more rapid. The rational side sees that as not something they could possibly count on. And another Hasbara line they're using in this, like, about the Iran attack is that the Iranians kill. The only person they managed to hurt was a Bedouin, you know, Palestinian girl. Right. Hussoni. Yeah. Like they're so sad for this Bedouin Palestinian girl.

Like, oh, my God. Say her name. Yeah. He did say her name, but he butchered it. He was like, Khasuni, but yeah, that's why. Yeah. How do you say her name? Hasuni.

But it's a hard letter to say. It's the ha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because in Hebrew, their chet has erased the, what used to be the Arabic pronunciation or the Arab-Jewish pronunciation of it, which understands that it's different than the chaf, which is the hard. It's a soft, like, Hamas is a good example, right? Exactly, yeah. Yeah, they can't, they can't make, yeah. They can't help it.

You know you guys had a guest on Zach, I think? Yeah, Zasian accent so good. Oh, my God. I know. Sexy. So sexy. Yeah, I was like, damn, that's hot. Yeah.

It was great. Hey, Zach. But, you know, as I was, you know, watching the coverage and I kind of saw, I decided to compare CNN's, you know, coverage from what happened after the Iran attack versus what happened after, you know, Israel's. And I have just a clip of just look at the, you know, the. the language around, you know, after Iranian sovereign territory, a consulate in Damascus was bombed directly by Israel. This is, this is how it went. A parent strike on the Iranian consulate building in Damascus, Syria. What do you make of the attack and the likelihood that this was, potentially the IDF? Well, it seems that's the highest

likelihood that it was the IDF, not a certainty. It's a fascinating and, and, you know, and in some ways, a risky move. I'm just... It's really fascinating. Like, the way they just did that, it's like, ooh, it's like they're living dangerously. It's like they're analyzing a chess opening, you know? Like, oh, they're playing the Caro Khan,

but, you know, night to F6 is highly unconventional. Some sharp play should ensue. Where are they going with this? Yeah, riveting. Yeah, and it's just like, you know, you compare that to John Bolton. Bolton going on TV, you might remember John Bolton as being like, you know, kind of like the neocon emperor king during the Iraq war. He went on CNN and basically was like, this is, this is

the opportunity that we've been waiting for, that the Israelis have been waiting for, to basically start a war, start bombing, you know, their nuclear capabilities, you know, start, which is they've, Israel has been attacking the Iranian nuclear program forever, like for years and years and years and years. Assassinating nuclear scientists. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. This is a retaliation, not just for bombing the diplomatic compound, but the nuclear scientists that they've been killing.

Yes. So it's, yeah. It's just like, poke, poke, poke, poke. The constant poking and then the constant has bar around Iran as being this existential threat to not just, Israel, which I would argue it's like more of an existential threat to Israel than it is to any other place because of their support for Palestinian human rights and they're being against Zionism as this corrosive and expansionist and racist entity and ideology. But, you know, this idea that they are this, you know, this world evil that we are expected to swallow in

the year of our Lord 2024. Like we are still supposed to be like, man, Iran's bad. Because at this point, every single point that they make about Iran that the United States makes about Iran, I feel like it's just

it's the same, it's the same thing that could be said about Saudi Arabia. It's like, it's like, wait, why does it, why, you know, I would not want to live in Iran just because I'm used to a western society or whatnot, you know, but, and I understand that this, you know, the civil strife within

Iranian society, but this idea is a thing, bad Hasbara podcast does not support the Islamic Republic of Iran's social policies towards its women. Please do not conflate the two and don't, and do not add us. Yeah, do not at us. But no, but you know, like, but this idea that it is somehow this country, this evil empire worthy of military intervention by the United States has been like, this has been bandied about since we were just humiliated in the 70s by the revolution. And we are still supposed to be mad about that? I'm sorry. But at this point, if you have not educated yourself on Iran and you are still holding on to some sort of like some sort of hatred or like evil. caricature of Iranians or of, you know, the government of Iran? I'm just like, what are you

doing? You would expect us to believe this? And this axis of evil thing, it's basically code word for access of resistance is what it is, honestly, like resistance to imperialist, yeah, powers. Hegemony. Indy, what do you make of the phenomenon of Iranian Zionism? Because there's been quite a split in the Persian community, what I've seen. Like, there are a number of Iranian influencers who are like, listen, guys, Hamas is not our friend, so we need to support Israel or so on and so forth. And that goes to, I think, the kind of like, we're not Arabs thing. Right. And it's also very interesting, you asked that because there's way before even Gaza happened, like there's a, I'm part of a theater community here, an artist and queer artists and

all that. There's a lot of Iranian artists that are, I think, a lot of people are traumatized. by what happened under the Islamic regime that they confused that trauma which is unresolved I think they just hate everything that yeah basically the enemy of my enemy is my friend so they just support Israel blindly

and it's really crazy and I've been kind of targeting my own propaganda at the Iranian artist that I know here like because it's like you guys are but and they're starting because to them the idea that I'm queer and Palestinian is already such a thing like oh my God

That doesn't exist because they, as queers, suffered under the Iranian regime. They had to flee. So, yeah, I think they're in a very interesting position, the Zionist Iranians. It also reminds me of a woman that was, her name is Ayan Hershey. An African woman who was like an Islamic background, and she kind of like, yeah, just rejected Islam. There's a lot of these people that are, I think they have basically. The right way's favorite Muslim. Exactly.

Exactly. You already know they hate China, they hate Russia, yeah, you can just, yeah, see it. They coincidentally have the exact same foreign policy take on every single country that the State Department does. Well, speaking of that, Matt, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be so quick to discount the strength of neocon politics in the United States right now. I mean, when you have the rehabilitation of people like David from and Jeffrey Goldberg and Bill Crystal, and they are respectable guests on. on MSNBC now. No, you're not wrong. And then you've got John Federman, you know,

slouching there in his like depression hoodie and like, you know, brain damaging his way through like a, like, Hasbara talking points dutifully. And you've got, then you got Republicans, like, and the policy towards Ukraine is unanimous, basically, in the in the, which is a highly neocon pro-NATO policy. So I wouldn't be, and then you've got Biden in there, who's just a hardcore Zionist and can't control his own bow

never mind his own like his own foreign policy id like you know I just wouldn't be so sure I'm not it's not that I'm so sure it's that it's more that I am trying to in my mind calculate what Israeli expectations are of where this is going to go for them because I'd be you know they are overconfident but they I think they would be foolish to think that you know I think they see it as like the negotiation is we ask for war in Iran, we get back, you can do whatever you want in Lebanon. And America will replenish the Iron Dome that got depleted during the Iranian thing, which was a big part of the point of it, clearly. And also when you speak about Lebanon, what they forget, which is the similar Hazbar they use about Gaza, it's like, Hasbalah was birthed

because of you bombing Lebanon. So all this exists because of you in the first place. But I want to go back to this question that you asked then because I love that the idea of like Zionist Iranians or I think what Gaza has revealed is the intersectionality of everything now you have also the different people are starting to ask what's the difference being a liberal Zionist and a you know Orthodox Jew and like all these things so when you mention someone like Federman what his name that's yeah John Betterman yeah I think that when I look at him I'm like he actually looks stupid like he doesn't know what he's what he's saying like but there's another kind that

is like Sam Harris, who's very conniving, I feel, and knows exactly what he's doing. Yes. So what do you think the difference between these two types of pro apologists for this? It's a class thing. I mean, Sam Harris is tailored for the educated. I call him the stupid person, smart person.

Yes. He's one of these fundamentalist atheists, fundamentalist rationalists. And with them, every accusation is also a confession, right? Islamism and fundamentalism and irrationality is the end. Well, they're irrationally rational. And their rationality is highly limited and it only serves to justify their existing worldview, which places the West at the center of kind of the end of history and all of this. It's Western chauvinism for the NPR tote bag holder. You know, it's like, that's right. And he's

also part of the blue and on cult where he said, I don't care if Joe, like around the Hunter Biden laptop. He said, I don't care of Joe Biden. has babies locked up in his basement. I don't want to know about it right now because Orange Man Bad. He's just one of these tools of the establishment who appeals to a certain sector of the population that takes erudition to mean something.

But do you think it's ideological or is it because he's getting paid? I think it's ideological when it comes to people like Sam Hare. I mean, it's hard to tell. I mean, because he is, He is 100% an ideologue, but he is also someone who found a niche. And I think with him, this has been the perfect time to kind of reemerge his completely racist and genocidal Islamophobic views because he's like, oh, okay, this is palatable again. You know, I don't have to couch this.

Now he's going on, you know, he's doing his podcast in which he essentially recently just said that Hamas were worse than the Nazis. And that it is, yeah, that the Nazis were better because they were, I mean, basically because they were white. I'm certain it's because they were, you know, part of Western society. You know, like this whole thing is just like, oh, if Hamas had power, you know they'd be worse than the Nazis it's just what gets me about him he does this thing that he's saying the most hysterical shit but he does it in this meditative calm voice it's like he's literally he calls like all Muslims deranged and he was on this podcast and he was saying like oh it's it's fundamentally uninteresting to know why Hamas do what they do just as

it is uninteresting to know why the Nazis did what they did but you're supposed to be an intellectual a critical thinker we have to find out why people do what they do even if it's terror or violence like we need to understand so it's kind of i don't know if he's playing dumb but i love how you described him that he's the dumb person smart person because indeed it's like a game i feel with him yeah and and one of the mandates of hasbara is thou shalt not understand why the palestinians do anything they do that shalt not i remember very clearly was it alon levy back when he had a job before he set up his little his little homo Felix Peterman from Chappo had a hilarious line on Twitter where he's like, basically, he's doing the spokesperson equivalent of busking now.

He's like advertising his services to anyone who will listen. But I remember he was on a, I think it was him, on a British talk show or news program on BBC. And he said to the Brown post, South Asian, I think, who was saying, well, we have to look at, well, what about October 6th? What about what happened beforehand? What about the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza that led to this? And he said, I would be very careful if I were you not to try to contextualize October 7th. He literally said that. And that is the core commandment.

Do not place Palestinian resistance or violence or upset or outrage or dissatisfaction in any kind of context. There is no context except the context we give you, which is that there's something. savages who teach their children from birth. They play them sublimity. Yeah, that's another projection, by the way. Of course, that's that one about teaching children. You pointed that in one of your videos. You pointed that out beautifully.

Yeah, it's crazy. Like, I heard one ex-Israeli soldier from breaking the silence once say that the IDF would visit them in kindergarten. Yeah. If that's not indoctrination, I don't know what it is. Like, that is insane. Yeah. Every Israeli child knows that they're going to grow up to become that. and they have to learn what that's for,

and it's to protect us from the Arabs. We don't learn who the Arabs are. We know they just hate us. Yeah. Well, Daniel, I know you have to take off. You're going to be catching a flight. Before you get out of here, I wanted to ask if you have anything to plug

or any final words, final thoughts? Nothing to plug except my favorite Jewish holiday, Passover. Passover. it's it's not just about flat bread and horseradish anymore and it's not just about Jewish it's not just about suffering Jewish suffering anymore no yeah I'm just wishing everyone a meaningful one if you have a chance to go to a Passover Seder it's and I hope you know ideally a non-Zionist one I think it'll be a very rich I mean Passover is all about storytelling and meaning making and learning from the past and you know the past is the past and

then it's a question of what lessons we're going to learn from it. And there's so much to discuss this year, both on the personal level and on the political level. And yeah, you can go on YouTube and find a Passover song that I wrote that my family sings every year called They Didn't Like It's somewhere out there, which tells you the whole Passover story if you don't know it. Yeah. And yeah, yeah. I mean, one of the traditions is we leave a seat empty for the prophet Elijah, you know this year i hope will be leaving at least two seats empty for for the people of gaza as well who deserve freedom and can't can't join us that's beautiful i want to thank you by the way for everything that you do it's really amazing and because the liberation is really our shared liberation

and this reminds us how similar we actually are and yeah i love it yeah no one's free until at least Our two people are free. Maybe other people we can... Yeah, yeah. We don't care about... Maybe that can be put off. They can go figure it out. But definitely our two people's need to be free first.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. All right. All right, take care, Daniel. Bye, bye. Bye. Bye. Before we get out of here, before we get out of here, I just want to touch on something, well, just to continue what happened with the Iranian attack that so surprised the world. President Herzog went on CNN to say

this and I think you, India, as someone who knows about PR and whatnot, can understand the effectiveness of like puns and, you know, wordplay. So I just wanted to oh boy let's go play a little bit of word play from uh herzog president herzog of israel 24 hours we've really seen a huge historical challenge and that's where the iron-clad alliance between israel in the united states and the united states of israel and israel as has been as shown has resonated as an incredible iron-clad alliance which serves the the national interests of both nations and serves the free world.

We have been met by an empire of evil. It's true. Our citizens were tortured and abducted in an unbelievably unprecedented massacre. I call it Hamasiker. This Hamasikar of Hamas is something that is unbelievable. Hamasaker, oh my God. Hamasca

I just the idea of the workshopping that went into Hamasaker I mean Also he managed to get in as many

talking points like he said Ironclad about four times Oh yeah And then the Axis of Evil thing And then But the Hamasiker was definitely One I've never heard before

It's pretty good I have to say Yeah it's not bad And you know I decided to expand on it a bit And to try to You know I think like

Really go for it If you're gonna do a pun like Hamasaker, you've got to go, you know, full throttle. So it's, the Iranians have funded a Hamasaka who did a Hamas murder and now have fired weapons of Hamas destruction, causing Hamas hysteria in Tel Aviv and all over the land Hamas of Israel, precipitating a Hamas extinction event in the form of a nuclear war. So now, we are taking to the Hamas media in order to develop a critical Hamas of allied nations to tell Iran, in the words of Rapa juvenile, to back that Hamas up.

Because if they can strike Israel, who knows if they can strike Washington, D.C. or even Hamas, Yeah, queen. Thank you. I'm just saying a little bit of workshopping goes a long way, you know? Yeah. But my God. But I think, I mean, this has also been said a lot, like the mask off moment that Israel is having. Do you think anyone still believes them?

Because their PR is so hysterical and unhinged and laughable. But is it just us or does everyone else see it? I think more and more everyone else does see it. And I think people have suspected. it for a long time. There have always been ideologues who have had the mic and people who are still desperately holding on. And I know, you know, personally know people who are still desperately holding on. But I think the biggest indicator for me is when these Western media outlets, especially the ones that skew more conservative, start actually asking questions,

start actually doing their jobs. And there's this lady on Sky News in the UK who has actually been doing like a pretty good job. I know nothing about her. I don't really even know her name. But this is just a couple of interviews she did surrounding this attack and how she actually does the unthinkable thing of putting Iran's attack. on Israel in context. And so first, this is an Israeli ambassador that she, or an Israeli spokeswoman that she's talking to. I'll play a little bit of this. So that's the regime we're talking about at the moment. Why did you feel it necessary to

flatten the embassy in Damascus? So we didn't flatten anything. The Iranians are saying that Israel has bombed a building, an official building, but that's not true. And by the way, that building was not a consulate or anything like that. It was a building near a consulate. And I can assure you that the people within that building at the moment were not dealing with visa applications or passport. There were IRGC high members whose only goal was to murder Jews and Israelis.

So you did do it. I'm not saying we did it. You are saying you did it. No, I haven't said that. And I'm not going to comment on that. Whoever said that did that in order to do that in order to, to defend innocent people around the world because IRGC's goal is to threaten the stability in the Middle East, to threaten the stability around the world.

I can give you some examples. In 1994, their proxies have bombed a Jewish cultural center in Argentina. Yeah, let me give you some examples. An unsolved bombing that happened in 1994 in Argentina, which we're just going to say. Yeah, that was a rough. She started off strong. Did you flatten it? Like, she's already like, she's going for it from the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, she's not pulling any punches. And she does it again in this great interview with David Cameron. Oh, yeah, I saw that one. And this one is just, it's great because of her exasperation at one moment when he kind of refuses to address her question directly a couple of times in a row. And I just want to play a little bit of that. because, again, I'm always heartened when these Western, you know, conservative media outlets actually engage on this in a good faith way, in a way that, like, asks a question that any, if it were any other country, they would ask. And so I'm going to play a little bit of that.

Is it bad judgment or good judgment to hit Iranian sovereign territory in Damascus? Look, that was something the Israelis decided to do. We haven't made a... I know, well, let me ask the question. Which is, I can completely understand the frustration the Israelis feel when they look at the Iranian Revolutionary Guard and they look at the terrible things that they have done all over the world, including the support they give to Hamas. And of course, Hamas were responsible for October the 7th, and that is where all of this begins.

So you can completely understand... That's where everything... That's where history begins. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, history started. That's where we're all born. Yeah, exactly. We're all born October 7th, and that's all we know.

For October the 7th, and that is where all of this begins. So you can completely understand the frustration. Yeah, but what about Iran's frustration at part of its sovereign territory being flattened? Well, I would argue there is a massive degree of difference between what Israel is. between what Israel did in Damascus. And as I said, 301 weapons being launched by the state of Iran at the state of Israel for the first time, a state on state attack.

So, wow, it is. And that interview, by the way, that interview goes on to later, she pushes even more and she says, when he talks about disproportionate reaction, right? Yeah. But what about disproportionate reaction towards Gaza? Yeah, yeah.

I mean, and these are questions that usually you don't find on these types of news outlets. And to me, you know, to kind of like answer your question about it, like, I think that it's a good sign that people aren't buying it, especially this thing. Because this is, this is so egregious. anyone who has been, even if you're not paying that much attention to this, you know that Israel bombed this consulate. You heard about this. So like most of my listeners are very familiar with the fact that, you know, Israel bombed some sovereign Iranian territory killing a general and others. And like, so anyone watching is them go on TV and act like this is like came out of nowhere, I think more and more people are like, no, no, fuck you, I'm not buying this. I'm not buying this anymore. You guys are so clearly lying about all, you know, when history starts. Exactly. It makes you feel like maybe the end is near because nobody thought South Africa apartheid will fall. And maybe this will happen in our lifetime because it's moving at such a accelerating as such a.

yeah pace that no one can predict i try to be optimistic about it because i see more and more you know people not just um kind of like coming to the conclusion that you know i think anyone who's been privy to the subject before is drawn you know years ago but like beyond just being like okay i think israel might be the bad actor here i think people are also tired of the emotional abuse and a manipulation and i think that is going to be the driving force for change, at least in, you know, like in United States policy. I think that, you know, the big, the big hurdle is the lobby's money and hold over. Actually, that's the only thing I feel that's standing in the way of change. Yeah. Completely. And I think that, you know,

lobbies as powerful as lobbies and lobbyists can be, lobbying can only go so far, especially when people like bipartisanly are fed up, especially when you are counting on the votes of people. Yeah, and also maybe another element is the Israelis getting sick of this and starting to leave. I saw someone post on TikTok, but you don't know how credible it is. Like they showed a big line at the airport. Yeah, people like, yeah, it makes you think whether this clip is true or not, it makes you think that at some point people are going to get tired.

even Israelis. And I noticed like, this is something that you mentioned in your first episode of Bad Hasbara that I loved when you talked about your, the transition period, the waking up. You described it so beautifully in the sense that you were like, at first, you would not let outsiders criticize Israel. It was just you. Because, you know, you had to kind of like, I don't know, metabolize the whole thing. And I'm noticing some kind of Zionist reaction that react to my videos. some of them are just like they're not they just Hamas is going to kill you blah blah

that's I can't even have a dialogue with that but then there are some others who want to argue with me but I feel like they're arguing with themselves I could almost hear see they're like they're trying to convince themselves not so much me and they're they're working something out in their own

mind so I feel like maybe that's the other side right yeah no I think I think that is exactly what that is exactly correct that's what you're seeing that is what I'm seeing I think that's what a lot of people are seeing is like the way that people are in real time doing like their own freelance has barra and it's not for us anymore it's for them it's for it's like you're watching people lie to themselves you're watching

you know people uh debate online quote unquote where they're just like you know under comment threads, explaining every single facet of the last six months away to a degree in which you realize they don't stand for anything other than Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants. And you can see a little like a glimpse into their soul as to what they consider justifications for things. You know, what justifies what? You know, because a lot of of the time. Sometimes they're getting, you know, Hasbara directly, you know, from the horse's mouth. Like, it'll be something that an Israeli official said. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's good. I'm going to use that. But sometimes you watch them kind of like make it up. And you, you, and for

them, it's like you can see directly. This is, this is where they're, like, you're watching their soul kind of be, like, crumble. Exactly. It's almost like watching a friend of your or consider breaking up with like a narcissist. They're like, no, but he loves me. And they're trying to convince themselves. And you know they're going to break up in a couple of months. But you're like, all right, girl, you go. You have a lot.

Yeah. And the question has always been for years and years. You're watching this abusive relationship. And you go like, well, I don't want to ruin my friendship with this person. So I'm just not going to, I'm not, maybe I shouldn't say anything, you know, because what if they don't break up? Now it's going to be awkward. I'm not going to be invited to anything. And that's what it's been.

like forever and you know and now people are finally like ganging up and having an intervention with these people and saying you are brainwashed you are brainwashed and you need to dump that zero and get yourself a hero i'm not i'm not good at that phrases that was beautiful thank you there's probably like a more in way of saying that it's not as good as hamassica but it's but it's yeah well you know we're all working on something. Yeah. But yeah, it's wild to watch this bit of Hezbarra make the rounds because it could go either way because it's more, it's scarier than I think, than I've seen because of the fact

that like what is being gambled here is a war with Iran in which they are, you know, we're talking, you know, mass, mass casual. And honestly, we're talking beyond a regional war, possibly even like a global conflict. And it's a huge risk. That's a huge fucking risk for Israel to take. And if anything shows you. But isn't that what Natanyahu's been kind of like wanting to stay, so he can stay in office to start this year? Yeah, completely.

And it is just so clear, I think, to, you know, you'd hope to Israeli society. but I think to most people that like this is this is a fucking Hail Mary you know this is like this is them desperately trying to cling on to power this is at the very least Netanyahu trying to avoid trying to he's manufacturing a war so that he can avoid a prosecution for corruption and it's like at this point you know he's like well if I'm going to jail for a corruption I might as well get hung at the hague. So, you know, he's just going for it. He's like a fucking, a con, you know, a bank robber on his third strike.

And he's like, fuck it. You know, they're going to put me in jail for life for this. I'm going out shooting. That's what it feels like. Yeah, it feels like it's giving House of Cards, you know, the Kevin Spacey character and House of Cards. Yeah, it's like very, yeah. Yeah, but like way more people pushed into the train, you know.

It's like way more murder It's like House of Cards with way more murder And way more You know You know molestation I mean it's

Kevin Spacey You know Before we get out of here Yeah Indy And I want to say We've had a great conversation I've loved having you on

Yeah same And I would love by the way To have you on my channel If that's okay please please anytime anytime i would love to love it especially i want to dig into your birthright experience because that blew my mind i was like why am i horrified and laughing at the same time i was like i got to hear more about this it's yeah i i am going to at some point do a full episode on not just my birthright experience but birthright in general because i think people don't fully understand

how culty it is and I was able to actually find footage from not just my own birthright like mega event that I went to in which Netanyahu spoke but multiple other ones and once you see it it puts into clear context like what is going on and for anyone who grew up in like an evangelical church like mega church in the united states or anyone who grew up in scientology you're talking in tongues bart right i mean yeah that kind of speaking hebrew i don't know what they're saying no no but i mean that energy of like it's it's it's not just it's it's more about the um the large scale the show of it it's like you you see how glossy everything it You see how, I mean, they put on essentially like a concert that is like filled with nationalist propaganda.

And it's very much like I never, I only know evangelical megachurches from TV. And so for me, it was the first time I was ever in something like that. And I was like, oh, this is, this feels very not. Jewish. Yeah. Actually, that's very true. I mean, you got to give credit where credit is due. And Israel, just like the United States, they're good at the showmanship, right? Yeah. That's why the Hasbro was so convincing for a long time. It's coming to an end, but I think because, yeah, it's like very Hollywood. A hundred percent Hollywood. And it reminds me of the type of Hollywood that Scientology is, because Scientology, you know, they also have very, very high

quality propaganda films like, you know, I grew up in Los Angeles, so sometimes I would get high and go to like Scientology Center with my friend and we would watch some of their like introduction videos. And they were like really well made, but it was all nonsense. And I was always very impressed with like their ability. It's like, well, they've mastered the art of making things look official. Like everyone's wearing a suit, you know. Yeah. And the connection to celebrity and beautiful people. Yes. That's in the DNA of, yeah. Yes. That's why, you know, that's why I call it Zionology. It is the same exact thing. It is, it is like they are, they're playing on the same, the same wavelength as, as a giant cult like Scientology. But before we get out of here,

I did wanted to do, I wanted to do just a little update on our friend, Alon Levy. Um, as Daniel was saying early on, uh, he recently posted, I think one of the saddest things I've ever seen, um, him post. And like, you know, I'm not someone who's filled with, um, a lot of sympathy for this guy. Um, but there's a level of thirst that I find to be, uh, like, unbearable. Like, like, I, I cringe inside. and so this is I'm going to just I want to see yeah I'm going to show first a little bit first a little bit

from this tweet he put out right here it is here we go from Alon Levy says hi Bookers former Israeli government

spokesmen available for interviews DMs are open along with this picture of him. Is this real? This is real. He went on Twitter telling the world

that he is a former Israeli spokesperson and his DMs are open and he's trying to get booked on Twitter and listen. That's not a brag, bitch. That's not a brag. It is in fact one of the saddest things.

This is bleak, guys. And I zoomed in to this picture that he put out in which it's him taking a picture of him in a Zoom meeting. And if you're, like, looking at this, he's got this, like, sad little corner. Listen, all studio setups for streaming are sad, okay?

Yeah, totally. It's part of it. But, like, as I zoomed in closer and closer, I noticed that his, this window was open, and it just, it said, here, I'm going to show this to everybody because I'm just like, it is it is it is too much here one moment now i gotta there we go under it it's this prompt and it just says do you see yourself now that's how you select your camera but i also wonder if alon sees himself oh my that's that's genius yeah because it's really the lack of self awareness is what's really like yeah yeah it's but it's such a symbol of the whole

Israeli propaganda machine this move yes yes the tragedy of it oh my god the most disgusting thing of his is when he was on with that Daniel the gay guy who's like I want to suck Israeli car yeah yeah oh my god yeah it's just it's like the thirst is so real I've never seen someone who like their entire identity has been like I want to be spokesperson and listen like I like speaking I like being a person and if I got a job as a spokesperson I'd want to die but listen the fact that he is not letting go of this is the funniest part so the important thing that you should know is he put out a video recently that so just because he is no longer employed by the government does not mean that

that he is no longer a spokesperson. He has started a new venture, and the venture is, he is from the, I'm going to read it out. This is the Israeli citizen's spokesperson's office. This is not a real office. He invented it.

It is him continuing. This is dystopian as fuck. Yes. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. He has started, he bought himself a podium. He bought himself a podium so that he could continue making spokesman videos. And he made a logo.

And he's just going to continue this job as spokesperson without actually being... Paid to do it. Not just paid to do it, but paid by the government. Like, the government does not want him to be spokesperson. And he's like, you won't stop me from my dream of spoking. I'm going to spoke. And I don't care what you say. Yeah, literally, they fired you, dumb bitch.

Like, what the fire? Yeah, like, get another job. Like, it's just, it's so sad. And I just want to play a little bit of it because I think it's important. Welcome to the first briefing of the Israeli civilian spokesperson's office. It is day 191 of the October 7th war. Last night, the Islamic regime in Iran launched a massive... By the way, that clicking you're hearing in the background,

I'm pretty sure that's whatever guy is running the teleprompter and he's clicking down so that he can continue reading. Oh, I thought that was you. No, that's from the video. It's so insane. ...multifront attack on Israel. The direct attack involved over 300 ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and suicide drones sent from Iranian soil.

That's it for today's update. Thank you for watching. Going forward, we will be broadcasting the Israeli civilian spokesperson's office briefings live on YouTube, where you will be able to answer questions directly. I'll answer them here for you. Live, whatever you need to know, White House press conference. Fortunately, we can't do that today for technical reasons, but that's what's in the offing. Thank you. Keep safe. And if you are in Israel, please, of course, continue to follow the guidelines of the Homefront Command. Thank you very much, everyone. Keep safe. So then he stops talking, but the video keeps going for about 30 more seconds, and it is just, it's very painful, and I'm going to play a little bit of it, just so everyone can enjoy. Standing at my Poly on this guy said I was filed

filed for line Do you think he's doing that face on purpose? Like he knows he's being filmed obviously like I think there's a guy in the background telling him you're still on

just don't just just look sad look sad it'll be good it'll give it gravity but I love I love the mad world cover that you just did there. That's amazing. Can't you picture him under the frame like he's in

boxers? Like it's just the top, like the Zoom suit. Oh, he's naked under there for sure at this point. He had to sell his pants to get the podium. Oh my God. Thank you for that. That was beautiful. Thank you for coming on the show. Please let people know where they can find you and subscribe to your channel. Yeah, I'm in denial on YouTube. That's Indy, like. indie for cinema and nile for river and then on instagram i miss underscore indi underscore nile so yeah thank you so much you are a fantastic guest and so are you oh thanks please come back soon uh we'd love to have you back whenever you can i i would love it and please i want you to come on my channel

i want to do a video about like you know the the zionist mindset i'm very curious and i would love your your funny take on it that would be absolutely it would love to come on and yeah thank you for coming on and thank you to everyone out there listening to this podcast we love you thank you for your support Patreon.com

slash bad hasbarra and all right everyone thank you so much for listening and until next time from the river to the sea thanks for coming on my friend

Indy I'm going to jump up the roof now. Taking Molly us, Michael Jackson, us Yamaha Keyboards, us, Georgia makes on us, Andor was us,

Keith Ledger Joker us, endless bread success, happy meals was us, McDonald's was us, being happy us, Bequam yoga us, eating food, us, reading air, us,

drinking water us. We have been all that shit. the Arab faces calling me racist, calling me racist. Standing at my podium, disgraced, I was filed, filed for lying. All the people in near Israel think I'm good. That's good enough for me. I am good and I will have a job.

I don't care if you file me. And I think it's kind of funny. I think it's kind of sad. Here on Bathurst, sometimes we get sad. Stupid. I take the people running circles. It's a very, very sad has power.

Sad has power. Thank you.