Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 27: Baby Shredder, with Emma Vigeland

Episode Date: May 11, 2024

This week Matt and Daniel welcome co-host of The Majority Report Emma Vigeland to the show to talk about liberal panic over Biden's reelection prospects, white zionist girl tears, and Israel's UN ambassador bringing a cute little baby shredder as a prop.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White costs for us. Zabra Hamas. As far as us. Hello and welcome to another episode of Bad Hasbara, the world's most moral podcast. My name is Matt Lieb. I am your most moral co-host. Thank you for, you know, watching us once again. You know, we appreciate how many people have been reaching out to us and saying that this show makes them feel less crazy, which is great.

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propaganda. Can I Hasbara some? Yes. You can Hasbara. We have lots of it today. I mean, this has been... I'm excited. I feel like this has been a crazy week in terms of you know, lies, like official lies from the Israeli government.

And so it's like I just have, I like had too many things, too many clips, too much news. How long has it been since I was in that room, what, like nine days ago? It's very recent, very recent. Like last Wednesday, I think. Last Wednesday.

And, yeah, it is weird how time goes like super slow when the world is falling apart and you're reading the news about Israel. It's just time certainly is standing still here. But you managed to pack in one more episode in the interim. And I just have to say, Matt, like, maybe I shouldn't do this on air because it's kind of vulnerable. I'm going to get, don't you love it when people say, I'm going to get kind of vulnerable here right now? Yeah, I love it. Like you're not, you're not allowed to, you're not allowed to be mad at me because I got vulnerable. Thank you, Bernie Brown.

You are invulnerable to being when you're vulnerable. That's how it works. It's the invulnerability cloak of vulnerability. But I am, but quite seriously, Matt, because I am going to get kind of vulnerable here. Please. You know, I'm glad you did another episode. I'm glad you're not, you know, relying on me. I'm glad you're branching out.

And quite frankly, I don't mind if you cheat on me with other co-hosts. Sure. But you have to cheat on me with your wife. I know. I know it's hard. It's hard. And I told my wife this, my wife, sorry, this when I was, you know, had her on as my most moral co-host.

I told her, you're technically not my most moral co-host because I only have one of those. She's your most marital co-host. She's my most marital. co-host and my most moral wife and then after I said it I realized it I implied I had many other wives who were less moral less moral and and she ripped me for that so uh you know I feel like I got my just desserts for cheating on you with my wife my life sorry I can't say my wife without doing a borat voice and it's sad that that's been poison pilled by Zionism right and now but but now as you and I were discussing off air

Borat himself has been has been galaxy brained by that son of Hamas guy who who debate who debated Abby Martin on or so-called debated Abby Martin appeared opposite Abby Martin and and took you know was a pincushion for her laser darts. It was amazing. I I've never seen him like like I've seen him debate people or go on like news programs and I've always been like this is the weirdest fucking. guy. Like, why do they put him on TV? If not to, you know, bolster the anti-Zionist cause. But he, like, went full Borat. He was the most Borat I've ever seen. In fact, there was a deep fake in which someone made him as Borat talking to Abby Martin. Yeah, it's pretty great. It's like, yeah, his theme song is throw the Palestinian down the well. Yeah, exactly. 100%. Oh, it was so great. So my people can never be free. Yes, that's right. Well, I'm very glad you're back and, you know, apologies to you for me having a wife.

I would suggest, you know, that at some point you get a wife so that you could say my wife and then I could do Borat voice my wife. It would make things easier for me, you know. That reminds me of a great Ani DeFranco lyric. She's saying to a guy who's feeling, you know, upset that she's rejected and says, maybe you should follow my example and find yourself a really nice girl nice that that's a burn dog that's a fucking burn circa 1995 man i needa franco she was a she was like my favorite post 9-11 music person and that's when i started getting into her because she was

a big fuck bush person and i was in college and i was like hell yeah she she played at that that big nadir rally at madison square garden and i'm going to go see her on broadway soon she's in hadies town right now. Oh, shit. Cephanie. Yeah. Nice. Good for her. Glad she's doing all right. But it's not just us today. No, we have a very special guest, ladies and gentlemen, in the Most Moral Third Seat.

The co-host of the Majority Report, everybody, welcome Emma Viglin. Hey. Hey, hey, what's up? I'm the most moral Gentile. How about that? That's right. We got us a Gentile. Well, now we're going to ask you questions about what you think about lending us some of your Christian blood so we can have a feast.

Oh, well, I didn't know that was on the table, but I forgot about the whole blood-sucking situation. Yeah, we're into it. We like it. Well, I mean, look, I would not identify as a part of like the evangelical base that wants to send most Jews back to Israel. and then a fraction can sit at the right hand of God because I'm you know I didn't grow up religious in that way but I just I kind of have to get looped into them on appearance alone

I would imagine yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean listen I think I think that if you let's say end up being around during the end times and you see the choice being put forth to Jews either convert or burn in eternal hellfire I'd like to think that you would, you know, be like, no, save Matt, you know, like you'd be, I mean, maybe save Matt and Daniel. That one's good. Well, Sam has already kind of asked for. Oh, fuck.

That's right. Right. He gets dibs also because he has eczema and the eternal. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, again, though, I'm, I'm closer to him and he also signs my checks. So I've just got to say this, at least for now. But if you have something to offer, I mean, I can save your eczema from the heat of the hellfire as well. You know what? It's not even the fire I'm worried about.

It's the humidity. Yeah. Well, I mean, fire is dry heat. Well, I guess in hell, in hell, they would probably have both just for. They'd probably figure out a way. Oh, no. They would throw water on those hot stones. They'd definitely steam room.

I'm switching over here. Exactly. Excellent. Schwitz for eternity, Jew. We like it when you schvitz. We like when you schwitz. I mean, Emma, it's great that you're here, actually. It's great to have a Gentile.

I was because I was watching a video by some rabbinical-looking Jewish scholar who was in the title of the YouTube video, I think it's like, to all the Jews joining campus protests, parentheses with respect. And he comes with a lot of respect. He condescends to them with a lot of respect. I love that. Very politely and basically says, look, I understand why you're doing it.

I get it. You want Gentile approval. You want the Goyim to love you. And that's understandable. Now, let me give you a history of Jews who did that and kind of what happened to them and how the Gentiles eventually rejected them. They're pick-mees. Pick-mees.

Yes, we're all. Pick-me Jews, right? Basically, this is a Pick- Us podcast, and we're really glad to have you here. And we hope that you will see fit to pick us. Please pick us. Pick you guys to sit on the right hand side of God. Yeah, I'll hang out with Jesus or whatever. I don't know, man. Jump down, turn around. Pick a Jewish podcast. Well, you know, I mean, you know, Israel is not just the most moral army in the world. It's also the only democracy in the Middle East, we're told. So in upholding democratic values, obviously you guys get some lottery tickets and you get to vote on

this and maybe you can um i'll i'll disperse it but obviously arab jews don't get to participate i mean are they even jews i mean are they even arabs who knows that's the thing about it you know we don't get lottery tickets we we we just bet on on dreidel games yeah that's right yeah gotcha we do draydle betting i'm going to have to take some spin classes but i mean of the dreidel kind what what if getting a free pass into heaven during the apocalypse is uh it's like uh it's like uh it's It's like finding the Afi Komen during Passover where it's just like every Jew in the world is just searching for that piece of matzah.

Just like, yes! It's like the golden ticket. The golden ticket, anyway. Now I can't get, but... The golden matzah, yes. After what you said, Emma, I can't get out of my head this notion of Israel. You go to a spin class in Israel,

and it's just a bunch of Jews furiously twirling graterals. Well, you know they are doing spin classes? Well, actually, or you twirled radles while you're putting spin. like Husbar Uspin on war crimes. There's so much there that we could get to. There's a lot. It's deep. I have had so many and, you know,

I just figured you guys would appreciate the story. I've had so many deranged conversations with Zionists in my life, some who are not even Jewish, just like Zionist family members and difficult, friendships kind of falling apart, that kind of thing. But the most amusing story, I feel like I can say this, I won't say her name, is that I had to break up

with my therapist last week. Oh, my God. No, no. We had a very difficult few months since October 7th where, you know, she is an older Jewish woman. Sure. And that's what, of course, like, we had a great relationship and I kind of just plowed through because at the beginning, I knew if I had, if I ended this, even though she was such a big Zionist. Like, she would think I was anti-Semitic 100%, right? And I also needed her because I was depressed about the genocide.

The whole genocide thing going on. And my friends, some friends of mine, like kind of cutting me off because of my commentary on it and all that stuff that I need to talk about in therapy. But like she wasn't probably the best person to be talking to. Our final conversation ended like this. I told her, look, it's one of the worst crimes that's being committed in the history of humanity that will ever live through this genocide right now. And she said, well, I want you to know that I would give my life for Israel. And I said, you know, I think this, I don't think this is going to work out. I want you to know, I want you to know, I'm here to hold space for you, whatever you need to go through, whatever you need to say.

I can absolutely hold space. This is a safe space for you, unlike the Hamas tunnels, where our people, you may not know this, are being held in the worst atrocity since the Holocaust. Please go on. What would you say? Right. I mean, even like, I, I really appreciated her. She's, like, and I, that's the thing is, like, that's the thing is, like, Like when you get up close and personal with people, you're like, how can you think this way?

Like you're a rational, normal person that exists in society. And you have these other things that you would identify in terms of like liberal values. I know I'm preaching to the choir here. But that cognitive. No, but the choir needs preaching because this is the number one like email that we get here on this show. Right. People going like, thank you for doing this podcast. And then like a 10 page story about like the best friend they've ever had.

who was used to be normal now being like completely bad shit. And you know how normal? Genesitial things. Do you know how common this therapist story is? I've heard it for like five different people that for months they basically needed to roll reverse

and emotionally caretake their therapist. Wow. Which like great. You're going to heal your trauma where you had to emotionally caretake your parents with a therapist who's going to demand you do that with them so they don't have to confront the cognitive dissonance of what they're holding tribally and, politically right now. It's insane. It's so funny to be with your therapist who says something

like, I would, I just letting you know I'd gladly give my life for Israel and, uh, and just immediately going, hmm. So let's, let's interrogate that for a second. Yeah. Right. Right. Say more about that. In fact, actually, sorry, don't say more about that. Yeah. Right. Say no more about that. Just like the, the amount of handholding that I think, uh, you know, all of us here and then I, I, a good portion of our listeners have had to do with people in their lives to not for any like greater political purpose i mean some people are trying to like convert their families into you know anti-zionism or at least being critical of israel but most people are just trying to hold together a friendship and they're just like they're they're deeply distressed by people in their lives

like holding these views and i think a lot of that also kind of contributes to not wanting to engage with it at all on every level. Like, whether it's just some person, you know, or some, like, rich Hollywood celebrity who might, like, sympathize, but is like, I don't know. A lot of people are yelling at me about, and whenever I try to bring it up, someone yells at me. So I'm going to, I'm going to just, you know. Well, I'm curious about your guys' take on this.

Because for me, well, one, I've observed that liberal Zionists who were screaming at me and saying I'm contributing to a culture of anti-Semitism a few months ago have just basically stopped talking about it and so they've gone really insular and I think it's like this notion where like I could never understand right what this person is going through and I resent that a little you could but go ahead I resent it slightly because it's like we all we have had a relationship up until this point where you have had no problem with me thinking like I could understand what black people are going through, what Hispanic people are going through. I mean, I don't know, what the victims of the Armenian genocide or the people who were genocides in Cambodia have

went through, right? Like, you had no problem thinking that. But now, because of, frankly, a notion of Jewish exceptionalism, right? Like, you think that I can't get it. Like, your experience is too unique for me to understand. And you go ahead. For the sake of argument, I mean, the analogy would really be, can you understand what a hardcore Trumper is going through? And I think that's a because it's not about what Jews are going through because there is no monolithic, not that any of those groups are monolithic, right? But can you understand what someone who is captured by an ideology that keeps them from grasping key aspects of reality and keeps them cheering for things that you think are deplorable? So like, can I understand what a neoliberal?

is going through. Can I understand what, you know, the people I can't, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who can't, and that, and that actually is kind of a valid question. And if I can't, then me engaging with them probably isn't going to lead to much, you know, yeah, because it's hard to understand how someone can, like, like Matt said, how can, how can you be in this reality, or maybe you said it. How can you be in this reality and still holding on to this? Well, there's a reason. People have an internal world about it. And so, something about it, it's not worth to them to question and give up on what they've been holding on to. Not yet. Yeah. And I think this goes for a lot of liberal Zionists especially because of, I mean, the whole thing with the liberal Zionists is the amount of projecting empathy that they have done. And I don't even think it's like insincere. I think they do, you know, have the capacity to feel. I think the problem is that it's so tied into their identity, you know, to be a liberal, and it's so tied into their, you know, identity to be pro-Israel that rather than kind of like engaging with it in a honest way with other people. The contradiction. Yeah, the contradiction

is hard to, it's hard to like deal with that with people who you're like, I remember thinking, people will never understand like that was something i would actually it kept me from ever discussing the topic with anyone who wasn't jewish because i was uh more like afraid of the fact that they might you know um like they wouldn't be sensitive enough to discuss this issue in a way that made me feel uh safe about it and uh and it just kind of like came to the point where it was just like you know uh the amount of policing of other people that i had to do in order to like in order to uphold these, but, like, continue having this contradiction as a part of my worldview.

The number of, the sheer number of conversational checkpoints you needed to arrest. Yes, exactly. I had to erect a lot of checkpoints. Yeah, so many checkpoints. It's almost as if you're second classes in your own mind. I'll just say, a lot of people in my life did not have the correct color license plate

to drive through the freeway of my worldview. That's exactly right. And so, you know, I felt like I needed to sort of enclose and surround them. Damn, that's fucking profound, guys. I mean, we're really, we're digging deep here. But, like, I mean, I wrote this down as you were talking. Can't bring themselves to reckon with the fact that they're a part of white supremacy. I think that that's a big part of it.

Like, I mean, and I know that white supremacy, maybe that's not the right word for it. It's like colonialism or American Empire or Western, like, you know. I think it's totally, it's totally fine. shorthand. I hate the parsing of it. White supremacy. That's fine. Well, it's certainly true that Israeli society is white supremacist, but that includes being white supremacist against its own Arab Jewish population. Exactly. It gets a little complicated. It's both Jewish supremacists and white supremacists. Whatever, I mean, you want to assign to it at this point. But like, I think, you know, so many marginalized and like historically discriminated against people, you know,

like in this country, at least within the political context of Democrat versus Republican, the polling bears it out obviously Jewish Americans are one of the more liberal cohorts in this country right and so it's a complete um I think a thumb in the eye of their self-conception of themselves as like being um being a part of like fighting hatred right and because of what the Jewish people have gone through with the Holocaust and the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition and the pogroms and all of like that builds up a cachet where you can automatically understand what other groups are going through and you don't really need to examine it that much and so when you have to when when they're being confronted with that it really is like a difficult kind of test of of looking inward and a lot of people aren't up to the task and like it's I'm at a point where you know my my my my dear friend and and uh here, Matt Leck has always just like, hey, you can point the finger right back at them right now

because don't cower from it. They're supporting genocide. And so it's hard to do, but, you know, I've just lost respect for people, I guess, and is the end of it, who are unwilling to engage in that kind of self-analysis. You know, at my family Seder a few weeks ago in Vancouver, there was a quite an interesting moment. For the first time, I can remember pretty much everyone around the table most people around the table were pretty much in full agreement uh maybe not agreement on what the ultimate situation you know solution is or whatever but everyone was just feeling horrified at what israel's doing and disgusted there was an israeli family at the table that had recently

relinquished their citizenship in protest wow you know who have been who have been living in Canada for some time uh and and their son spoke eloquently about how we need to make every Seder, including Sam, no, every, about, especially Sam, about Gaza, until, until Palestine is free. And sitting next to me was a 91-year-old member of the extended family, who is a very learned woman, deeply spiritual, originally from New York. And she was speaking in this very measured way about remembering when she was in Palestine in 1946, 47, remembering the excitement and the tension, remembering her Arab friends in Jaffa and in Lod, which is also called Lid, I think, Lido. And knowing about the expulsions and having this sinking feeling in her stomach about

what the country was founded on, but at the same time, the emotional. euphoria of the creation of a Jewish state. And this is just the classic leftist, liberal, Zionist thing that I grew up going to summer camp around, just, you know, and kind of venerating the whole Kibbutz imagery without really reckoning with the racist militaristic history of those things. Anyway, and she said, I saw Israeli society become more and more arrogant and aggressive. And I am afraid, she said, she said, I'll just admit it. I'm still a Zionist. In my heart, I'm still a Zionist. I still believe in a Jewish state.

And I'm afraid that Israel is destroying itself and that the future generations will not have an Israel to look up to like we did. And I was sitting there next to her. And part of me was thinking, you're being ridiculous lady. Like this is, you know, how can you be equivocating right now? And the rest of me, most of me, was just kind of feeling a kind of fondness for her. Like, yeah, you know what? You're allowed to hold on to your Zionism at age 91. You're allowed to not wake up from it while, and you're allowed to, as you move towards exiting this world, look back and say, man, this thing that I've really believed in might be fading and I'm sad about that. You should be sad about it, you know? And at the same time, I can sit there and be like, yeah, I hope it crumbles and gets replaced by something that's more humane and hospitable to everyone living there. But it was just this kind of this moment of someone sitting here. copping to Zionism and me somewhere in my heart being like, okay, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pull my Bad Hasbara personality here. I'm going to, I'm going to actually try to listen for where this person's heart's at. I'm not going to do a pun. I'm not going to do. I didn't. Good for you. Wow. Lots of self-restraint. Yeah. I mean, I think that a lot of, I think Jews and non-Jews alike have a little bit of, even though. the ones who have, you know, come to realize the realities of Zionism are able to, I think, hold on to, or they're able to allow for, I think, older people to kind of have that perspective

and you kind of account for, you know, decades of history and decades of programming and whatnot. And it's, it's like, I see that happen far more often than I see it, you know, from the, quote, other side. Like, you don't, you don't see people holding, especially now any, any space for someone who is, you know, on the other side of that where they're holding on to their, where they're critiquing Israel. And they, you know, it's like you just, you see someone like Bernie Sanders, you know, and his. the way he took forever to do literally anything other than kind of like toe the party line. And, you know, part of me is mad at him. The other part of me sees a lot of old Jews that I know who I'm like, you know, you don't understand. They come from, there is an entire cathedral in the American Jewish old left mind that is built around celebrating.

the victory of the six-day war, you know, as being like, when the Jews finally showed the world that they may be small, but they may be mighty, you know? But that's so like, I'm sorry, Matt, I mean, I just, that's so, it's so fascinating to me because I think, you know, another, again, I'll all cite Matt Leck, who made this point about how, you know, this is something that you hear in Israeli society about how we're the Jews that wouldn't let the Holocaust happen to us. We're the strong Jews. And now it's like similar to what Kanye said, I guess, a few years ago about like,

we wouldn't let slavery happen to us. And it's just, it's a, it's a real, I think, moment to reflect on like, what is our education about mass atrocities and like colonialism and what our Western states have done to the world? Like, what is that teaching people? Because for the most part, if you were to ask an average American, I think, if they could name a second genocide after the Holocaust, they wouldn't be able to do that. And I think it's in part because so much the way that, you know, the U.S. was on the side of the Allies in World War II, even though we turned away many Jews who were fleeing the Nazis, and allowed us to kind of create an American myth of exceptionalism and of morality that has carried us. forward and has been such a part of like the United States political education for such a long

period where we don't talk about the genocides that we were complicit in or that we orchestrated whether it be like well we had to do those yes I mean because those were necessary to the construction of the west or to the construction of our society and like that is I think one of the most radicalizing things for these young people that we're seeing and like I'm 30 right and I'm already calling them kids but the the kids at colleges they they are not coward by the myth of American exceptionalism because like we grew up in an era of like the Iraq war and of the war on terror and what we did to the rest of the world and there's an education about what we did to the global South and things like that where I think it's it's

both the generational divide is exactly what you're describing but when you kind of zoom out and look at Zionist thought more broadly even outside of Jewish communities it's also about like who is more willing to challenge the myths of American exceptionalism and who aren't right and I think to or Western exceptionalism right yeah yeah you're to bring it back to a point you were making earlier about liberal Zionists I think it's that is one of the things that bugs me the most it's like where I get the most resentful of liberal Zionists is when I realized after October 7, the last few months, I feel like that critique that I once thought that they held, like the examination of Western imperialism and the examination of American Empire and the examination of white

privilege and all that stuff, whereas I once thought it came from a place of, you know, the true introspection. I can say that word. You know the word. And I realized after the fact that There was, there's just a good amount of them who are just like, well, that doesn't apply to me. White supremacy doesn't apply to me due to my Jewish heritage. You know, Western imperialism doesn't apply to me due to the fact that, you know, I read certain magazines or I, you know, subscribe to certain content creators. Like, I just like, I just realized how many people when they were saying, we need to dismantle white supremacists. we're leaving themselves out of the equation of that.

And I think that is one of the reasons why I can't get past my disdain for liberal Zionists in my life, more so than regular Zionists. This speaks to a problem with modern liberalism in general, which is that it's about the performance of virtue. And it's about distinguishing yourself from the bad people. So we need to dismantle white supremacy actually translates as. I'm on the good side And those people on the other side

Are on the bad side And we need to beat them Yeah And I'm gonna ally with the people Who make me feel good about myself Including if that means Some performative Kente cloth

You know, genuflecting Yeah But no genuine Introspection like you said Now here's some dumb smart wordplay Liberal Zionists Eschu How do you say that word?

Yeah, let's all forget words Yeah That's true. Introspection. Yeah. But what they're actually doing is introjection, which is a defense mechanism where you adopt the attitudes and views of others. Yes.

And that's what Zionism is all about. You swallow the notion that Jews are fundamentally different than everybody else. You swallow the notion that Jews are also shameful for their victimhood. There's a kind, and that's where the self-loathing actually lies. We've talked about this. Well, I mean, that's, I would, you've talked about it. I've got to go back and listen to that because I've obviously never experienced it. But when you say like feeling good about oneself, I think that's the thing that triggers me the most, which is like, I have news for some people. Politics are not really about your personal feelings. It's just about power. It's about what's right. It's about how do we want to construct a society in a way that is moral. And I am immensely resentful of the idea that, uh, we should be privileging the feelings of Zionists and like the idea that they're uncomfortable

with the fact that they are now on the outside of one of the most like important movements for civil human rights that will live through. The idea that that is equivalent and that I have to be kind of considering that versus the lives of people that are currently under being starved to death and are in the midst of a genocide as if that urgency for people living in the West,

people living in the most, you know, wealthy country in the history of the world and the people who are saying this to me live in complete security. It's just, it's laughable. And it just shows that exact disconnect where they haven't been, a lot of liberal Zionists haven't been able to confront the fact that their politics were so centered around their feelings as opposed to justice. Yeah. Well, as noted anti-Zionist and Palestinian solidarity leader, Ben Shapiro has said, These aren't facts. That's right. I'm really glad he's been consistently applying that when it comes to his own feelings.

Yeah, yeah. We here at Bed Hasbara love comrade Shapiro. Pope of the Jews. He gets to determine who's good and who is a bad Jew. That's right. I'm not sure if you guys are aware or if you've submitted an application to be considered. I submit every week. They still don't get back to me.

But I'm certain that he would. he would put me in the good jews category because uh you know i because i subscribe to the daily wire i'm just great great content you know fair content so glad that they are around um before we go on we do have to take a quick break speaking we got to we got to do a quick bake you know what i'm saying bro i'm sober um but yes uh so stick around everyone and we'll be right back and we're back all right that feels like it went by in no time I know I know hey listen those were great commercials we just heard and subliminal advertising is crazy yeah it's wild I hope everyone buys that gun or whatever I don't know what our

programmatic ads sell I assume it's guns but yeah so this is a podcast about Hasbara And I wanted to bring up some of my favorite Hezbarra. Today, in fact, there was a video that I can only describe as like the most perfect encapsulation of what Zionist PR is. And it was just in a way that I couldn't believe. It was like a diamond. It's all compressed into about 21 seconds. It's a video of Israel's UN ambassador. This guy's absolutely shredding in this video

He certainly is His name is Galad Erdan And he This is the guy who wore the Jewish star, right? I don't know actually I think yeah He's the guy who showed up early on Maybe during the ICJ thing

Or maybe even back in the fall With like a yellow Jewish star This guy is a performance artist What a flare for the dramatic He brought props He brought props He certainly did, and it is just, it's beautiful to watch in real time because it just hits every single mark of Hesbara. And I'm going to play it for our audience if you haven't seen it.

This is, so for those listening, he is standing at a podium, holding the world's babiest paper shredder. Don't talk about the babies. Are you talking about the babies because we know what happened to the babies, right? Yes. He is putting what I believe is, it says, the Charter of the United Nations, he printed out a mini version. Right. He went to Kinko's. He said, give me the smallest version of the charter.

And he's putting. They sell this shredder. They sell this shredder to jilted teenagers to shred like the two, eight by five by eight photographs you have of your sweetheart when they... Oh my gosh, right, with Taylor Swift on in the background. It looks like it makes such a comically small, you know, whirring noise as he does it too. It's a fucking pencil sharpener. Oh, it's exactly right.

Like, I mean, it reminds me of like, you know, when I was a kid, I'd have those easy bake ovens or whatever. Yes, yes. This is not a real, real cooking here. Yes. And he is just like, he's putting it in there so dramatically. Just listen to this. yeah

get in there you are shredding the UN Charter with your own hands and also for those you are listening watching he is literally shredding the UN Charter

with his own hands he is in real time doing every accusation is a confession in a way that is just so simplistic that it's almost like artistic

right but if he were to say you're shredding the UN Charter it would maybe have a little more impact than him actually doing it and then saying everybody else is doing it. Also, he has to scream over that whiny motor of the thing. You are, I said, you are shredding. This is what you're doing.

This thing I'm doing? That's what you're doing. Except you're doing it. And you're doing it more metaphorically. But this is, in fact, what I'm doing here is a physical. You see this? This is supposed to represent what you're doing. Just watch.

Yes, that's what you're doing. Shredding to your child. Okay, where do I put this thing now? Yes. He needs the stage manager to come and, yeah. Oh my gosh, yeah, right. Props guy. No, I'm such a sicko.

Like, I just have decided that it's going to be, for the foreseeable future. I have no life. I'm just going to watch the stuff and, like, make sure I produce it for the show and, like, provide time codes and make sure I don't miss anything. So the other part of that speech, which was insane, was him saying that this, like, application for Palestinian statehood during the Holocaust Remembrance Week was enabling a new Hitler to come into come to pass and that the Palestinians are like the Nazis and all the rhetoric that we've heard before and then he brought out the paper shredder but um like I am still just incredibly

in awe of the gall to say that the head of the Palestinian authority in this instance by the way the speech is the new Hitler. When Netanyahu is currently the leader of their government overseeing a genocide and is just like thrashing about that he can't do it more effectively. Yeah, well, maybe when he said the new Hitler, what he meant was that the old Hitler was Netanyahu. Maybe that's, you know, maybe that's what he's saying. We don't know who he meant was the old Hitler. We have to give benefit of the doubt. I just love watching, first of all, it's just amazing that he went out and bought a baby shredder and I like to imagine him

writing to Amazon.com being like when I bought the baby shredder this is not what I had in mind but I will find a use for it I will find a use it will be very theatrical you'll love it

like the fact is is that this guy took time you know like he had his I would like to think he personally went to the kinko and have them print a little tiny UN charter, you know? I just, I, I, I love watching it because you can't, you can't, like, you can't even satire the thing.

He's, he's doing a thing and he's like, you're all doing this. How do you, how do you live with yourself? For some reason, I'm having images of like Saul Goodman going into a dumpster to retrieve the tiny little, like the tiniest trash bag of the, and taping it together. maybe he and maybe the Palestinians hired him because you know he's the kind of guy he'll go to bat for the little guy and he like changes the charter so that it shows that the state of Palestine was in fact created in 1948 and then his brother Chuck I'm now I'm getting into the weeds are you ever going to do a you're ever going to do a get yourself a pod for that for the breaking

bad world we've thought about it it's you know it's a it's a lot of show I'm thinking like smaller shows and then maybe you guys like breaking bad as men that's so groundbreaking how dare you how are you, all right? We like Sopranos and The Wire too because sometimes things are basic because they're great. And if David Foster Wallace was alive, he'd agree with us. That's right.

God damn right he is. That's exactly right. No, fucking Better Call Saul has one of the best female characters ever on television. I know, I just, I resent, I'm very resentful of, not resentful, not very resentful, so over the top. But I like, I like Breaking Bad. It's just like, Skyler is socks and was written more.

Well, you know. They made up for it with the Rea Seahorn's character. I'll watch Better Call Saul because obviously Bob than Kirk is the goat. Yeah, you got to watch that show. It's better than Breaking Bad. That's what people say. Come on. Michael McKeon's wonderful in it.

Everyone's great in it. All right. I'll add it to the list. I won't like, you know, rewatch Mad Men for the 40th time. In fact, the worst parts of that show are the Breaking Bad fan service things. Gus is totally, what are we doing? This is not what this podcast is about. Well, okay, just really quickly, though, got to say kind of annoying to find out all of these creators are huge Zionists.

Like Matthew Weiner signed, as did Amy Sherman Palladino, who created Gilmorenals, which I loved growing up. Wait, Winer signed it too? The fucking, the Google, the Google sheet? The list? The Google sheet that was criticizing Glazers speech. Like, that's like the level of Zionism where Amy Schumer didn't even have the gall to sign that letter, right? Like, that is when you're actually out to lunch. And so... Do you know that I met Amy Schumer's brother?

He approached me at a pro-Palestine event and thanked me for all the work I've been doing on Instagram. I know they've had it. I read online that they're like, he's pretty anti-Zionist, right? She's got a cool brother. We got to get him on the pod, bro. We do. I mean, he's a very accomplished jazz. He's a reed player of some kind of, forget what he plays, maybe bass clarinet.

Sick. And, and yeah, he told me that he'd sent a few of my videos to. his sister oh fuck you're on a hit list bro you're gonna die yeah i mean and she sent it to her cousin chuck yeah i used to defend her because like i know it sounds dumb but you know i always just thought that like her the targeting of her was misogynistic in ways just the fixation on her but i've never been more wrong in my life like i just i just i should have i should have abandoned ship at that point yeah you know you just you never know until until uh Israel's tries to do genocide you really know never know where people stand in terms of morality well it's like that you know

just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're doesn't mean they're not after you right that's right just because you're misogynist doesn't mean the woman you're targeting is not with targeting right it could be both it could be both and I just find it you know I was thinking about or talking to my producer Bradley about the Dana Bash deranged monologue. She's so blonde and so is Amy Schumer and I just like

This is what I've been saying. They look more white than even me or like whatever. This is exactly what I've been saying. For months now, one of my biggest resentments is that all of the people in Hollywood who are the face of I'm scared to go outside do not look visibly Jewish. Like no one is going to kill Amy Schumer

because she's Jewish. Jewish. If they do... Because she's Jewish. Because she's a Jewish. If they do, it's going to be because she's a fucking racist asshole. But it's like, you know, and I wish no harm upon anyone. But I'm just saying, she is

not someone who has to be worried specifically because she's Jewish. It's just like, it's her, Eliza Schlesinger, Dana Bash, fucking, just like, name a blonde hair, blue-eyed Aryan Jew in Hollywood. And they're

going to have at least one post that says hashtag will you hide me and it makes me fucking insane. I haven't even seen that. That's the is that the I don't even know what the you don't remember hashtag will you hide me? Would you hide me? Yeah. Oh like like from the not like Anne Frank. It was an attempt it was an early early attempt. You know they when they You know, they had to assemble the Hezbar writer's room real quick. And they said, okay, what are we going to do in order to make this not about us doing apartheid and occupation? And make it about every Jew in the world being targeted like the Nazis. And they tried this hashtag.

Everyone, I'd hide you, but I just have to warn you. I'd kind of be like that French dairy farmer at the beginning of Inglorious Bastards. You know, you'd probably still get found. Like, I can't promise to do a good job. Yes, I'll hide you. But, you know, buyer beware, no guarantees. No. I accept no reliability.

I will not hide you. I will block you on Twitter, Instagram. That's right. And every. Speaking of blocking people, David Simon is another motherfucker who is probably a complete total designer. Tell me about it. He fucking, he blocked me.

He blocked me over this. He blocked me years ago over Hillary, I think. And did he crow about the blocking? Like, he loves to announce, blocked like he just like going up on a mountain and screaming that he just blocked someone so he actually he blocked me uh because uh you know i i i asked him i was like come on my the wire podcast and we can uh you know we can talk about the wire and we can talk about the difference between your personal zionism and political zionism and uh he said he didn't want

to go on and then i said but i do the wire parody songs about every episode. And then I played him my you know version of Lady Gaga's paparazzi but with the words Presbyluski and he didn't like it and he blocked me over it

which is too bad because I had this really great Rob Zombie parody as well. Why doesn't he support Jewish artists? That's what I was saying. That's really the question I'm asking. He was very anti-Semitic of him. But we are going to be talking about liberal meltdowns this week because there have been a lot because a lot has happened. I mean, you know, this

student protests have continued, and people are mad about it. And you get, of course, the right-wingers and, like, Zionist bigots targeting these protesters. There's no surprise there. But what I love is been seeing kind of like the way in which liberals and kind of like capital D Democrats, blue MAGA people, are trying their best to scold all of these student. protesters into submission. And I have a few examples of that. I don't know if you guys have seen and I'm being introduced to these people for the first time. So this is from someone who just loves Democrats. This is Terry Lee Watkins Jr. Under a picture of I guess there was

a lot of litter that happened at the UCLA protest after the cops came in and busted it up. And the pro-Zionist protesters roughed people up at UCLA, including that guy allegedly, what's his name, Ben Glebe? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Was, Ben, I know Ben Glebe was there. Was he also roughing people? I don't, I said, I said he was there.

I do not, I am not, legally not making any, any accusation, okay? Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, any relation between you and Beng? Me and Ben Glebe? Bang, bang. bang yes his name is bang lebe bang lebe that's right no but i i he has been introduced as me by uh hosts of uh several different comedy clubs accidentally when they've brought him up they're like so funny your headliner not look alike i mean ben glebe you know jewish names they get him confused uh but this guy uh he wrote i mean big dweeb yeah i mean fat dweeb fuck um he wrote so

many black brown and or low income maintenance workers are going to have to clean this up a shame just i i love the idea of the condescension and also just like the idea like who is this for is what you have to ask yourself and you realize it's for liberal Zionists it's for them to find a reason uh in order to like continue mocking and like not uh supporting the protesters ladies and gentlemen we have our first ever case of janitorial concern trolling Right. Do you think that liberal Zionists, whenever they go to the bathroom, they just make a, they're like, I just got to make sure I'm tidy because the person that may be cleaning this up may be of a race that's a minority in America. But not only that, not only that, come on, let's be real. Why was that encampment left in that condition?

I think it's because of anti-Semitism, but what do you think? Well, we know full well that when those fascist counter-protesters and the LAPD or whichever city, is that, was that U.S.A.? That was UCLA, that's right. When the L-E-P-D came in shooting rubber bullets and whatever, they announced, everyone, clear the area. Those who do not vacate will be arrested. We are giving you two hours to do a complete cleanup. There are cleaning supplies and moving trucks to help you. Let's pitch in and make a greener earth.

Now, get to it, scum. Recycle, reduce, reuse, or we will be forced to use force. Yeah, yeah. Recycle, reduce, reuse, or we will repress. It's amazing that there's amazing. that they have to make it about everything except what the kids are talking about and what they're advocating for

and you know it's just like it's a really simple test when you're looking at any kind of protest movement and it's why like the comparisons to January 6 are so hilarious because it's not about the tactics like if the election had been stolen like from Trump right

or something like say Bernie the election was stolen from Bernie Sanders he was the nominee or something and there was actually election interference, people would have been totally right to storm the Capitol, right? Like, that would have been justified because the protest would have been right. And I, like, it's not about how they did it or the fact that they were messy and they broke a window or something like that. It's about the fact that it was based on a lie. And so the focus on, again,

just like the out, the, the, the, the, the results of the protest and the fact that there was some whatever, I don't know, garbage. It's just like all, it's all to have. obscure. What are we even talking about here? Right. And also like this is the same kind of a liberal Zionist talking point that it's in the same vein as all the excuses why Palestinians sort of deserve what they get. It's like this idea that the because they're problematic. It's like you know. Have you seen the condition Palestinians have left Gaza in these days? Literally a one of the tweets I remember from Ben Shapiro was saying that Arabs live in filth and trash and sewage.

Yep. And like this is part of, you know, their racism. It's just, it's the exact same vein. It's just like, let's not talk about conditions that would lead to anything like the police literally arresting, doing a mass arrest and giving people no time to clean up or living in an open air prison. It's like, no, let's just talk about how it's really problematic that they're like. I heard that the encampment was littered with mouse shit.

at the end of it, you know, which is just such an indictment of the, uh, the, uh, uh, the protesters. Oh, sorry, no, I mean the fucking Zionists who unleashed all the macks full of mice. Yes. Yeah. And, and, and like, you know, it's, I'm sorry, but like this idea of like, oh, no, we're not, we're not Nazis. We're not calling them, you know, rats. We're saying that they're litter bugs and we need to exterminate them for that reason. We're saying they're vermin of a different kind. A different kind, like a really, really, you know, you know totally different it's totally different do you guys like okay so um am i saying they're blind they're we're saying they're we're saying they're blind like the three

blind mice that's right that's what we're saying that's just a nurse what were you saying i just i don't want to derail it but i am curious about this like because i i i think it's totally fine to compare nitt and yahoo i guess like just to give uh people a sense of how horrible this is to to hitler just be like oh you know i made some meme saying that that he was Hitler, you know, welcome back Hitler, right? Like he died in, you know, what was the tune of Welcome Back Cotter, the 19th? Yeah, sure. It was something like, you know, whatever.

Hitler died in 1946 or 45 and then, yeah, it was born in 49, implying he was reincarnated. Sure, sure, sure. I had such hesitation, even though I thought it was kind of a funny joke about putting that out there because I'm not a Jewish person, obviously. And I don't want to offend people, but, you know, like, I don't necessarily think the body count and like how much he would be allowed to do is like a or he's able to kill is something that that that you should be compare compare anyone you want to anyone you want that's my policy because number there's two and here's two reasons why it's just a moot point number one Netanyahu's been comparing and not only that but the US security state neoliberal neoconservative

establishment will compare anyone to Hitler anytime they want yeah You know, whether it's... Especially if they're... Or... Or Manajad or Assad or Putin or Chavez or Castro or... Yeah, it's usually a nice little pretext if you'll notice a pattern. That's exactly right. Or random Palestinian, right?

Or whatever, yeah. So it's on the table. You might as well use it. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, exactly. And here's the other thing. Why are we getting... Like, he's not our boy. Like, do we worship Hitler? I know.

Like, stop taking Hitler's name in vain. Like, fuck off. Like, I think that's a great point. We're so protective of Hitler. We love our little Hitler. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's, yeah, that is not your word. That is our word.

Okay, we had a complicated relationship with him, okay? Yeah, yeah. Listen, it wasn't all rosy. You used a hard R. You didn't know him like we knew him. You used a hard R when you talked about Hitler there? We don't do that, okay? He was just trying to voluntarily relocate the Jews.

I'm taking away your Hitler pass. Do you think that they literally use Hitler's playbook? Because it's just a little bit on the nose, the voluntary relocation, the... I mean, he didn't invent it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'd be closer to say they use Goebbels' playbook. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In many ways, Hitler was not the most dangerous of all the... The architect? No, you're right. That was the Palestinian Grand Mufti. That's right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's exactly right. Yes. Um, yeah, no, it is, uh, I think it's a, uh, a conversation that only exists, um, to, uh, stop people from doing this thing where you compare anything to the Holocaust, uh, and it is, I mean, listen. Except October 7th. Except for, except for literally anything, comparing the wrong things to the Holocaust. Yes, except for anything that, uh, the State Department says it's over. okay to compare to Hitler and the Holocaust or the state of Israel says it's okay.

They keep revising that manual. It's like the DSM-5, you know, like I need to get a new compendium of things I'm allowed to compare to the Holocaust. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I really, you know, someone cut me off in traffic the other day and I was like, I really wanted to compare it to the Holocaust, but I hadn't consulted the newest. Yeah, you got to consult the DSM-8, you know, the direct show a map eight. I don't know. We're doing our best here. but yeah to continue on like liberals kind of like

figuring out ways to undermine these student protests did you guys see there was an article that was put out in the Washington Post by this guy Todd Frankl who he wrote a piece chastising students for their focus on divestment and the article basically says

like yeah you know the university endowments have some investments in Israel and defense construct but but not enough to like be mad about it like that's the entire article is just like breaking down how much and the article in no way refutes the idea that indeed university endowments have ties direct either investments in Israel or in defense contractors it just says like well it's not as many's you'd think like not compared to this other stuff as if like having any like the students are very clear Divest. No, we have no ties with it. Same thing with South Africa. And this guy is, you know, writing an entire article mad about that. And the kicker at the end is, I think, one of the most beautiful neoliberal-brained, like, ideas I have seen. It is, I'll read it to you. But the student protesters could try a different tactic, one that doesn't seem to have found any traction amid the volley of demands. They could, could become investors in the U.S. defense contractors or

companies they want to influence. That would allow them to become activist investors and push for the change they want to see from the inside. Lean in, kids. Come on. Lean in. But that's the point, though.

They're literally, okay, so these endowments are using, like, this is what the kid's money is going towards. They don't have a choice to have an investment portfolio and, like, make a determination based on that. It's because the universities have the ability to invest in what they want. And the kids are like, we don't want it invested in this.

Yes, yes, exactly. And it's, it's, uh, it's, yeah, I'm just saying it's so funny because this idea of, uh, like every single, uh, accusation or critique they have of this protest movement, um, is hilarious on its face because they go like, oh, they don't know what they want. they're very clear about divestment and divestment is divestment you can't just be like well yeah but if you're not divesting you know if it's not that much it's like no divest period nothing no support of this apartheid regime period um it's not it's not midvestment yes exactly exactly it's it is very clear and the other thing uh that i feel like the students have been doing fantastic at is

controlling the controlling the amount of Zionist agitator content creators from like trying to put words in their mouth or getting them

to say things that they you know can use later to be like you know and it's great to watch them completely like panic about it. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal

in which They're upset that they have spokespeople for the protest They're upset that they're actually strategic as opposed to what they were able to do in Occupy Which is just like single somebody out and then demonize the whole movement based on that

Exactly. And that's not to say they don't still try to do that But they are actually Like at the very least to their credit they are realizing the problem of fuck these people won't talk to us and and they're like to their credit they're going how do we spin that into being evil rather than just you know making up shit out of whole cloth well and and as they pointed out on on chapo which by the way there's a choppo trapos bonus episode that came out today of them talking to an anonymous

former university communications director at you know whistleblowing on on the internal politics it was But I don't know, I think it was Will or Felix pointed out. Like, that's your fucking job as journalist to get sources to talk to you. Right. And you've got these people whining that, you know, the kids won't talk to us. They're so uncooperative, you know. And they never complain if a police spokesperson gives them a statement or a politician's spokesperson. They would never complain.

Or the Israeli government. Yes. Well, we're not going to comment on that. Okay, yes, sir. Then there's also the fact that you remember during Black Lives Matter, one of the complaints about it, and there may be some legitimate critique to this, was that in some aspect, to some extent, there was a lack of concrete, actionable, measurable demands, right? Yeah.

Which, whatever, you can say whatever you want about that particular tactical or whatever critique. But here in this case, it's the most concrete set of demands I've ever seen in a protest movement. Certainly, Occupy was accused of having that, and I think rightly so. And it was one of the reasons that it kind of fizzled out. But it was a creed occur. It was a cultural expression of a moment. And in that sense, it was valuable.

But as a political movement, it had a limitation. In this case, this is activism par excellence. Yes, it's clear cut. And it's also something that has like historical precedence in terms of protest movements. I mean, this is how we were able to get the United States to eventually, I mean, not the only reason, but the United States eventually turned its back on apartheid South Africa. Like, this isn't, this isn't something new and novel that, you know, these kids are trying to get done. This is something that is, in fact, very useful and has been actively been tried to, you

know, they've tried to make it illegal to do. I mean, they've actively legislated against BDS in our government in order to stop it, because they know. that this is something that works and uh right it is it's great to to watch the attempts though of people trying to make this look bad have you guys seen the uh the lady who was walking on campus and crying oh the woman that wore the shirt that said jew and stood in the middle oh no i guess that was i was that was a bit vague of me because there's a lot of that okay yes This is a woman who was trying to make a little bit of content, you know, just trying to talk to, you know, these protesters. And this is, this is what ends up happening.

It's all the craziness that's happening on college campuses, especially at UCLA. So I decided to come here for myself. I did see this. Do you mind if I interview? I'm not going to talk to me yet. Music. Do you guys want to tell me what's going on? Yeah, you hear the music.

like can you believe this look look how look how scary and i don't know arab this is the way i know it's like on gray's anatomy when like they don't want to really put in the effort to make a story work and like a move you emotionally in some way so they just put you know whatever imagine dragons on the background right yeah can we just can we make this sound profound yeah and and these are i mean we're not going to talk to media that's a classic anti-semitic slogan you know that's right When they used to execute Jews in the mass graves, the last thing often the SS soldiers would say in like a Schwarzenegger voice would be no comment. That's right.

From the river to the sea, talk to my Spock's. No, sorry. Not letting any of you do anything can just see them. Okay, we're just standing outside. I was just trying to. Are we allowed to ask you guys a few questions about? A lot of us just don't feel comfortable. I can direct you to.

media liaison um we're not gonna um we're not gonna interview with you today oh my god you guys discipline with people that are gonna be pushing us never seen anything like this in my life no agitator they're allowed to one of our media they won't speak to me no one will speak to me there's a desk over there with me i've spoken to them they won't speak to me well then we can try them i've tried and this lady specifically is telling me out an agitator just trying to understand what you're protesting for some reason no one from your guys's team will let you guys see speak and I don't know why you guys can't speak to me she crying yeah she starts crying yeah this is so intimidating and scary for you guys to be standing here I literally have walked around for the

past two hours just asking peaceful all right pause I'm sorry pausing I forgot it's not my show but like the idea like the I the same liberals will tell me that they read freaking Robin de angelo white fragility yeah this is the definition of white fragility the definition of it right like I mean the idea that this woman feels so entitled and I just I get sensitive to it because I'm a white woman and like I don't like white women historically have used their victimization yes to for really racist ends and that's the exact same thing and I don't like you know you can just see it so visibly to me but no you're I want to I want to update the Beatles songs like how will I feel safe and secure because since I saw them standing there.

It is just so, it's amazing because it's like, you know, the past seven months, I remember when Trump was elected, there was some people, some facetiously, some not saying like, oh, God, it looks like Jews aren't white anymore. It was kind of a joke. And this is like, oh, We did it. We are, this is fully immersed in the tent of whiteness. We are now so white. Whites are Jews now. Whites are Jews. Sorry, Jews, we are white. This is this.

Well, we know that whiteness is fungible and we like, Italians have been accepted into whiteness. Which I'm against. I have always said. It gives a whole, gives a whole new meaning to, you know, fungible tokens. My, uh, my fiancee is Italian American and I just, I got to say, like, you know, we got to get in on that DEI stuff. So please start identifying. as a person of color. This tactic of walking around campus, just asking questions, just looking for someone to talk to us is also something they've been trying. I don't know if you guys saw Rudy Rockman, the video of him.

Now, this is a guy that I did, you know, some would say legendary, but certainly widely viewed. To me, I feel nauseated even thinking about it. I spent two and a half hours talking to this guy. He's sitting on an IDF base right outside of Gaza with his. boys, you know, coming in from the field and he's going, he's a sniper, you know. But he styles himself as a peaceful guy who calls the Palestinians our cousins and he's called his Jewish brother and just puts the things in terms of, look, once we get rid of Hamas, then we can really end this terrible system of oppression and really, you know. And I gave this guy two and a half hours of

my life and hopefully it was clarifying for people to watch the conversation, but it was very physically viscerally difficult for me. Sorry for the noise. in the background here. It's Brooklyn. But recently, I saw a video of him on George Washington campus kind of doing an ask me anything and, you know, walking right into the heart of the encampment, setting up a thing, just got back from Gaza, talked to me. And this is his schick of just being very calm and rational. And then he makes very slickly produced videos of being, it's like that kids in the hall sketch of the, you know, the two salesmen where they have a plant in the audience, you know, being like, I have a question. This product seems like it

could change my life, but I'm skeptical. You know, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, um, and, and, uh, and, and, And then, of course, he got booed out of, I mean, he got chanted and heckled out of there as, as, you know, he should have been. But his whole shtick is, look, if these people would only be reasonable, you know, but they don't want to have a peaceful dialogue as you walk into an encampment as a former IDF soldier looking to make that scene. Yes. It's just so clear. I mean, like, that is such an, like, obvious and, like, frankly, like, hackney agitation tactic. Like, we, nobody doesn't know what you're doing here. That's right.

You know, and, like, so when Peggy Noonan of the Washington Post shows up and is just like, you know, I tried to talk to people, but, you know, they wouldn't talk to me. And one almost did, but then she conformed. And it's like, if the scariest most anti-Semitic thing you can think of is people conforming, then you've got really nothing to go with here. And watching liberals freak out about it is, to me, is one of the great pleasures that I have because you're watching the one thing that they do care about, like, slip away. And that's not to say I don't, and that thing being the possibility that Donald Trump will get elected again later this year. And that's not to say that's something that I want.

And of course it's not something I fucking want to have happen. But we are, you know, I don't blame people for being like I cannot in good conscience vote for this guy. He's done nothing for me to make me believe that he in any way cares about human life. Matt, why are you so anti-democratic that you're unwilling to blame people for exercising their free choice? I know. It's crazy. It's amazing. That's what I think, like that's, again, to, to.

bring it back to the feelings. Like, when I talk to older people in particular, it's like, you got to vote for Biden, you got to vote for Biden. You got to. And, and I've, I guess I differ from some others. Like I, maybe I'm a little bit more of a live, but I also think what you do on voting on election day is basically like very not that important for your political education. You do it to put somebody on that actually. Chomsky agrees with you. There, yeah, I think I, maybe I'm borrowing from that in my, you know, pot addled brain. But like, uh, the idea just that It's a tool. It's a tactic. You vote in the people that are going to be the least oppositional to what you try to do. And you move on from that point. And I don't judge anybody for not voting. And I don't judge anybody for voting Democrat. I just think that that's kind of a way to build a broader coalition. But I would say that's also the difference is that you are not judging someone for not voting. Because it's like I just can't. That's the same feeling I have. I can't bring myself to blame someone at this point. very difficult for me. Well, it's about in the end, and hopefully Matt gets back online here,

but in the end, it really is about the people's feelings. And that's the thing that bothers me, where it's like it's more about liberals not wanting to wake up in the morning and have anxiety that Donald Trump is the president. And they feel like they can go again, this is like back to brunch. It's a little bit like the Hillary Clinton stuff, as opposed to trying to build a politics that are sustainable and equitable. And I'm not that sympathetic to your feelings and about what things are going to look like. I care about the Supreme Court. I care about the institutions and the damage to the administrative state. But with absent of that, I am completely understanding of anybody's decision. And if Biden loses just like it was with Hillary Clinton,

who didn't go to freaking Michigan and decided she was going to spend the entire campaign condescending to voters. I blame the candidates here because it's just like not a sustainable way to orient your politics, to start shaming millions of people for making decisions when they feel disempowered. It's on the politicians

and Biden has decided that his Zionist ideology is more important than honestly winning this election. And he's also really, really vying for that title of Greater of Two Evils. I'm sorry. At this point, he's trying. Not that not the

Trump shows any signs that he would be any better on this particular issue, but you can't imagine a more evil president when it comes to foreign policy than Biden on this. And I agree with you, Emma. If Biden loses, it's just going to be a case of Malcolm X's prophetic words coming true. It's the Cheetos coming home to roost. That's right. And I will say, you know, I hear you on that. I think, though, the one thing I'd say is when you vote, you're voting not just for the guy

or the woman, I have one time in my lifetime maybe, you know, you're voting for the coalition of people that they bring into power and the thousands of people. And that's the thing that I think is just incredible to see is that there are, based on the reporting, there's a lot of discontent, at least within the Biden administration. And it's Blinken and Biden are these Zionist fucking freaks that are obsessed with it.

And it's, we'll never have another doubt. Democratic president with this orientation. It's just not politically feasible at this point. Yeah. And I think that was clear early on, too. I mean, it just felt like this was so clearly a losing message. And I guess we'll find out in November or whatever. But, you know, to me, I was just like, this is, this is not going to end well. This feels like not just morally wrong, but like strategically stupid um to you know actively abandon swaths of voters you know just as from like a purely like scumbag you know self-interest point self-interested Tommy carquetty season three of the wire fucking like thing where you're just like uh on like a self-interested political level

this feels dumb um and you know and yet you know so when you see them still continuing with the strategy you're like this must be like an ideological commitment to this uh cause of the destruction of it seems that way it feels i mean what was no other explanation for it other than that bynarts reporting in mother jones from a few years ago that's now i think had increased relevance in showing that uh biden basically went around hillary clinton the secretary of sea at the time and uh obama the president to assure Netanyahu that they would not be cracked down on them for I forgot what human rights violation was at issue at that point but like this is literally he feels that this is reparations for the Holocaust and it doesn't and he doesn't really consider Palestinians as human being so

it's easy for him to justify it in his mind because have you heard the story about have you heard the story about him shocking monacham began's conscience back in 1982 Sam Sam has has told me this story, like, you know, a few times at this point, the fact that, yeah, basically, he was like, whoa, you're going a little too far there. Yeah, sir, we have, we have humanitarian principles, you know, uh, yeah, Biden's like, listen, Matt, I, I, I, come on, man, come on, man, kill some more women and children. Uh, no, it's incredible. It's, it's, it's, it's, um, and it undercuts to this point, I, I, the, the core, like, again, just from a scumbag self-interested perspective,

If he's, I'm the kind moral guy versus Donald Trump, you know, lethario scammer. Like that is-Lithario versus lethargy. Exactly. And it's just that, but that's the thing. It's like that's how deep anti-Arab, anti-Muslim, anti-Palestinian racism is in this country. And we're talking about the frickin scourge of anti-Semitism. The anti-Semitic incidents are on the rise, but like most of what we're talking about here is this moral panic. The depth of our nation's Islamophobia cannot be overspoken.

stated and that has what greased has greased the runway for this genocide and i'll never forget it and i'll never forget seeing liberals just go along with it it's and as always any kind of bigotry is not random it's always calibrated to justify material policy it's not right no european racism needed to exist as an idea and maybe i'm stepping outside my lane here maybe a historian will come in and say, no, that's not true. But it seems to me that if you're going to dominate the world and take its resources for yourself because you have a permanent scarcity mindset and rapacious,

and you've already plundered your own entire continent and you're spiritually bereft and all this other shit. Yeah, a greedy little pig, yeah. Gritty little hogs. You've got to come up with a cosmology of the world in which everyone else has benighted and beneath you and subhuman. And so in any case, whoever needs to be conquered is first and kind of forever dehumanized.

Well, isn't that what they say? Fascism is like colonialism and imperialism turned into it. It's a bit reductive, but at least in this instance, it feels pretty. Yeah, that works. Exactly. Which is why I just, you know, anti-Jewish sentiment may be on the rise. Some of that to me is understandable based on the way a lot of Jews are acting and the way people are acting to protect people who call themselves the representatives of the Jews.

It's not justifiable. I don't like it. I would do everything I can to be, you know, a bulwark against it in any way I can. That's why this podcast exists. We're not like that was the other title of the podcast. Like we said, pick us, please. Or rather don't pick us, depending on what you're picking us for. Yeah. Don't select us. But what there isn't is an institutional, imperial, imperative to dehumanize our people so that some shit can happen that'll, you know, that'll conquer us. It just isn't the case. And I wish to God that I wish to G-5D that it was that, no, that Jews could get the difference between people resenting Jews and a kind of systemic targeted and and and and utilitarian means to an end kind

this is why this is this is why every single liberal Zionist drives me up the fucking wall because this is literally the shit they would say exactly about in terms of systemic racism would be like yes you got it you got it we must be homies we're you know you we we get each other here well that I get it happens yeah and then this happens and I'm just like what the fuck this is you did a complete 180 on like understanding of this like of systemic bigotry and the utility of it for states and empire and like all of a sudden they're just like well I'm going to apply you know the you know I'm going to apply that to me but not as the oppressor but as the oppressed and I'm just like by definition yeah automatically automatically regardless of the context based completely on ancestry and I'm just like You don't get to fucking, you don't get to cosplay fucking Stettel Jew in the Pala Settlement. I'm sorry. You're from fucking Santa Monica.

What are you doing? It's really sad that they've driven you up the wall, the whaling wall all the way. Yeah, they've driven up the wailing wall. I'm the one wailing the hardest. Fucking A. But yeah, it is, it's wild, too, just to round it out and bring it to a close. thinking about the like in terms of how you know just on a self-interested level you would figure that they would have understood that this is not the way to go you're seeing now

the beginnings of the consequences of that because now due to in part to the pressure that's being put on all over the country by these students who are doing these encampments and by more and more, you know, people kind of like just being fed up. And saying out loud, finally, that, you know, at the very least, Netanyahu bad, right? You're seeing Biden actually move a little bit on this. He did an interview with, who was it, he did an interview with Burnett, someone from CNN. Aaron, Aaron, okay, not Carol. Good, thank God.

and in which he said that he is now threatening to withhold weapons if Israel decides to invade Rafa with ground troops. And he gave a bunch of like, you know, there was a bunch of like qualifiers and caveats. And it's like, yeah, you can bomb like, you know, outside of the population centers. But if they go in to the population centers, we're going to not give them the good bombs. Which is like, I mean, it's something. It's not nothing. It is something. think Norm Finkelstein mentioned that like even that little bit could save lives and that does

matter. And I commend him for that kind of thinking. And the results of this have been exactly what you would expect. It's literally people crying that this is the betrayal of the Jews. the what was it the the the the the post uh did you guys see this shit the post did a you know on their cover they showed oh yes betrayed Biden vows to cut off weapons if Israel tries to finish off Hamas and you know and then we have this Biden's Hamas now what's that Biden is Hamas now did you now you get the memo. Yes. Yeah.

Biden is now Hamas. Ben Gavir put out a tweet recently that just said Biden hearted Hamas, which beautiful. And then you had Haim Saban writing this letter that he himself leaked very obviously to Biden, or at least Biden's team. And it reads, hi, Steve and Anita. Can you please share with the president? Dear President Biden, we, the U.S., as you stated, numerous times believe that Hamas should be defeated.

We, the U.S. In this case, you, Mr. President. I'm sorry, but this guy. We, the us. We, the us. I'm going to add that to the song. We, us. Mr. President, have decided to stop sending munitions to Israel to achieve the goal that we

slash you have set up for Israel and ourselves. Even beyond Israel, this sends a terrible message to our allies in the region that they can't do genocide uh without you know being told that they get the the less good bombs uh let's not forget there are more jewish voters who care about israel than muslims that care about hamas bad bad decision on all levels uh just i also love that admission there that it's in some way like an electoral consequence like there's more jews in america than muslims that are going to vote for you because they quote love hamas it's just so cynical at the same time it's so cynical and it's also So I'm sorry, but like this is, it's disingenuous to come from Haim Saban, who doesn't give a fuck about, the amount of Jewish voters in America is so fucking negligible in terms of physical one-to-one votes versus most of the groups.

So we make up, what, 2% of the population? And they are going to vote Democrat. I mean, let's be real here. It's like the APAC is at risk of losing the narrative. because they are going to just start to be more transparently a Republican group. Yes. And then when they're disconnected from liberal Zionism, that's when I think things start to kind of collapse. Yes.

I was just saying how like once APAC it becomes more clear that they're a Republican organization and they lose the liberal Zionist support, it's more difficult to say that they're fighting anti-Semitism because in the end it's just going to evolve into a right-wing project, hell-benton, kind of protecting this colonial system, but also this psychotic Christian Zionist perspective. Yeah. Well, here's hoping. Wow. And like, I think for Haim Saban to say this, too, he's being disingenuous because he knows he's not

threatening the 2% of Jewish voters that exist in the, not even 2% of the, the 2% population of Jews and even smaller percentage who are of voting age. He's not threatening, you know, oh, what if they don't vote for you? He's threatening money. He knows what he's doing. He's a billionaire, and he's threatening money. That's all.

That's all he's fucking doing. He's like, remember who fucking runs this country and it's people who have billions of dollars. Fighting anti-Semitism by embodying the stereotype. Yes, I'm sorry, but I hate this about this situation because it's like, I try to be as careful as possible to make sure that people know the difference between, you know, this Nazi propaganda of Jewish control of everything and the reality of money controlling our political system that everyone fucking knows and is talked about and is made more abundantly clear by the fact that you have a system which constantly favors the needs of special interests versus what voters seem to be generally feeling about things democratically based on polling and whatnot so you know i'm like i like look at this and i go like um you and i hate when um especially you know like zionist uh jewish um like

bad faith actors you know call out anti-semitism everywhere else and then embody like they do their best to wear the fucking they're wearing an octopus suit and they're being and they're just like, oh, you're going to, you're going to say that. It's like, you're wearing the fucking suit. You're, you're dressing like a Nazi cartoon and you're being like, I can't believe you would say this. Rabbi Shmuley actually did that trying to make a point for Purim. He dressed up as the Candice Owens Jew trying to embody every stereotype.

He looked more like himself actually. He looked like just, that's what he, oh, it's just like. Emma, you have a heart out, right? I do have to run and I, I, I'm supposed to meet some friends to watch the Knicks game, which is kind of soon. and I'll be a little bit late, but you guys are the best. I had a great time. I'm sorry to have to dip out like this, but...

Oh, it is all good. I really appreciate you coming on, and please, you know, come back whenever. Oh, I would love to. Keep it up. Keep it up. I'm looking forward to one day when I'm able to passive-aggressively send this episode

to the friend that some of the friends have decided that they don't, that I'm anti-Semitic or something like that send it then she'll have two more people to hate tell you my great grandparents died in Auschwitz oh I will I will that won't matter by the way it doesn't matter at all doesn't and none of this matters I co-host my show

I'm a non fungible token for them oh yeah right well I made the joke earlier I tried to make the joke earlier but it didn't land then it just was the perfect place right that the market has crashed since the Hamas attack right no longer it's no longer a speculative asset to trade off of that. I mean, but token Jew,

non-fungible. Oh, it's so well done. It's so well done. Some bangers. Okay. All right. There we go. All right. See you guys later. And I'm going to end the show by saying patreon.com slash bad has bar. Have we just gone another episode without talking about

shy davidai? We have. You know what? He'll come back in the news. Why don't you guys do that and I will dip out? No, we'll do it another episode. We'll do it another. I'll just sign out. All right, everyone, thanks for listening. And from the river to the sea, eventually we'll do an episode about shy diabetes. I tried to make it right.

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