Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 34: Watermelons Us, with Kat Abu

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

This week Daniel and Matt talk to former Media Matter's video producer Kat Abughazalehkat, a Palestinian American political analyst and all around badass about her experience in the last 8 months. We also talk about the killing of over 270 Palestinians by the IDF at the Nuseirat refugee camp and the surrounding hasbara, as well as Israeli appropriation of Palestinian liberation symbols.ARE YOU IN LOS ANGELES THIS SATURDAY?? Come yell at Biden and his friends/donors on Saturday June 15th at 5pm at the Peacock Theater. Find more info about this rally at JVP Los Angeles's insta page or follow my own page here.Follow Kat Abu on all the platforms!Donate to the Palestinian Children's Relief FundSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Oh, hey, it's me, Matt Lieb, the most moral host of the world's most moral podcast, Bad Has Barra. How's it going? This is a brief little insert right before we actually start the podcast because I forgot to tell you guys about a couple of things up top. And so I'm going to do it now. If you are in the Los Angeles area, Los Angeles, California, ever heard of it? I'm sorry. And if you're going to be around this week, this Friday, that is Friday, June 14th, 2024, there is going to be a Hollywood for ceasefire panel that is happening. It's being put on by the SAG, Aftra, and Sister Guild members for ceasefire. There's going to be a panel, a mixer, and there's going to be some complimentary lunch. This is going to be this Friday. It's free, and it's at 603 South Brand Boulevard, Glendale, California, 9-1-204.

Once again, there's going to be this Hollywood for ceasefire panel. I'm going to be on it. A few other people in the guilds, various guilds will be on it, and we're just going to be talking about the state of Hollywood right now and how shit's kind of weird and how, you know, people are getting blacklisted, and I'm sure all sorts of other issues will come up too. It's going to be a lot of fun, so if you want to go to that, It's free.

You can find out about it. You know, more info. You can see the poster on my Instagram. Follow me at Matt Leeb Jokes. That's where you will find all of this stuff. So yeah, please come to that if you're in L.A. And if you can't make it on Friday, well, let me tell you about Saturday. So Saturday, Joseph R. Biden himself is going to be coming to Los Angeles.

and he's putting on some sort of event that's, you know, some like $100,000 a plate donor dinner or something like that. And it's happening at the Peacock Theater in Los Angeles. So JVPLA is doing an action. Saturday, June 15th at 5 p.m. There's going to be a rally. There's going to be, you know, people protesting and just trying to let our voices be heard about this. You know, and it's going to be great. And I think, you know, if you're in Los Angeles and you want to yell at a room full of rich people who don't give a shit about genocide, I think you should go to it.

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Daniel Mante is here. This pod is mine. God gave this pod to me. What's up, buddy? I'm good. How are you? I'm doing all right. You know, how's Croatia?

C is for Croatia. That's good enough for me. Isn't that crazy, though? Have you ever seen Croatian on map? It's a C. I never noticed that, no. Yeah, yeah. It's how I play a lot of map games on my phone.

For some reason, I very much enjoy knowing where countries are on maps. And I'm not good at it, so I ended up playing a bunch of phone games where you learn what countries look like, you know, border-wise. Right, right, right. Croatia's shape like a sea. I was just at a war photo museum learning a lot about the, you know, the Yugoslavian wars of, of yesterday. Of the 1990s, you know, with all the NATO involvement and all that shit. Yeah. I should say NATO bombings.

But do you suppose that a secret reason for those wars was that, say, Serbia was pissed off that Croatia got to have such a cool shape and they wanted to carve an S into. Yeah. into Croatia or maybe Bosn? Exactly. Right. They're like, listen, Croatia gets a C. Albania kind of gets an A. I mean, it's not quite, but, you know,

and we're Serbia. We want a goddamn Stusi sign, all right? Which means we're going to have to go into some other countries and just take a little bit, but it is what it is. Yeah, it's very possible. At this point, I feel like if you're going to draw borders, which everyone knows are completely arbitrary and the creation of colonial entities.

If you're going to carve them, at least make them into a fun shape. You know what? If I had the choice, I'd carve America out to look like a dick. I was just going to say, it can only be a dick. It can only be.

Of all countries, America, because we are the one who fucks. as walter white once said that's the thing about america it would be pointed upwards and canada would be shaped like just anything that anything that gets penetrated such an object yeah that's right yeah a mouth a butt anyways this is a very serious podcast about serious news things um as people know doing great honor to the to the to the seriousness of the times I think you and me deserve some kind of award. I 100%.

Decorum and appropriateness. It's really showing up and holding space, you know. We're holding space. If there's like a subcategory for like the Peabody Awards, for like most Dick mentions and podcast about genocide, I feel like we would win that category hands down. You know what I mean? Easily.

Easily. Easily. So, it's time to bring in our guest. We have a great guest. This guest coming to the pod is a former senior video producer for Media Matters, which recently had a round of layoffs, apparently, because Elon Musk is mad that Media Matters was pointing out that they they put all their, you know, most of their ads are sandwiched between like Nazi shit and he got

mad and sued them and, you know, so there was some layoffs, but our guest is a fantastic Palestinian American from Texas, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome to the pod. Cat Abu! Hello, hello, how we doing? Doing good. How are you doing? I'm good. Real quick, totally unrelated, Matt, if you like games on your phone about the shape of countries, have you played tradle, which is not about the shape of countries, but the exports of countries?

Did you say dreidel? Tradle. Tradle. Oh, T-R-E-A-D-L-E. I had a little tradle. I thought it was like a draed on my phone. You just click it and the tradle moves. Yeah, no.

No, I don't know tradle. It's about exports. Now we're getting nerdy, bro. Yeah, yeah, well, of course. It's like you get this giant square and it has like, you know, this many million or billion dollars and, like, automobiles or whatever. And you can see, like, the biggest exports of each country. And you get six guesses, like, wordle. And it tells you how many miles you are away from the country.

So if you do, like, Thailand or something. And it was like, oh, it's like five million miles. That's not many miles, but, you know. Yeah, that's a lot of miles. It was like, too many miles. Two thousand miles. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so it would be like Central America or something. I see you're getting closer and closer to it. Oh, I love that. And then they have like a bunch of other demented games that are all so much harder that you can do as soon as you finish the cradle, it offers you the ability to play those. To play the other more demented games. Something more demented than the chief export of what random country we decide.

I would love to know that because I'm always interested in what countries are like known for, which is one of the reasons I think this podcast. is so important because it's the whole theme song first of all it's the whole theme song you know it's like what what is Israel known for is it the cherry tomatoes is it the ways app is it uh now it's the watermelons watermelon is really simple as we all know that is absolutely correct uh famously israeli symbol and in fact uh just today um middle east i released this uh great video of a um this was a pro israeli protest i don't know what you that do you call it a protest when they they're not mad they're just like super happy about um you know genocide happening of party

yeah party we'll call it a party a pro-israeli party that had uh broken out in the streets of no this was in um england um which street i don't know i don't really care um and uh there was uh some some interesting Hasbara happening where I realized I was being tagged so much on Twitter. I'm going to have to update the song because apparently Israel invented way more than just the cherry tomato and, you know, taco salads or whatever. And here's a little bit of that video for everyone to watch. The watermelon originates from Israel. The watermelon originates from Israel.

trying to take it as their own. So that's why we're bringing it back to where it belongs. Are you aware that they use their symbol as well? Yes, they use it as a hate symbol. We always use our symbols as love as simple. The key, what does it mean? The key represents the key. So before we move on to someone talking about keys, it is, for those of you who are, you know, are listening at home. At that pro-Israel party happening in the streets of England, there are a bunch of Zionists holding up watermelons,

which recently, you know, has become a rather popular symbol online, at least. To be clear, they're not holding up the fruit. No. Because that would be amazing. If they actually were like... A giant, like balloon shaped like a watermelon. But I love the fruit idea way more. more. Yeah, no, it'd be great if they actually like, you know, all had watermelons.

It doesn't get more violent that way, though. And then we would just need the, and then we would just need the Palestinian Gallagher to come along. Just al-Hawak barring all of the, all of the watermelons, smash some fruit and smash the state. No, I mean, like, it is wild because you've been seeing this kind of very recently people have been learning, at least online about, what the watermelon means is a symbol for a Palestinian resistance in terms of the fact that the colors of the watermelon, the black and the red and the green and the white, are, you know, match the colors of the Palestinian flag. And there was a time in which it was illegal to waive a Palestinian flag to own a Palestinian flag in Israel. And so it became kind of like a way of resisting, a very creative way of resistance. Or in the occupied territories, for that matter. You couldn't fly their flag on their own turf. On their own turf, yeah, as, you know, like...

Although, of course, all of it's kind of their turf, but you know what I'm saying. I mean, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, no. And so the kind of appropriation of these symbols of Palestinian resistance and Palestinian liberation have been, prevalent in the last few months because of the fact that people I think, you know, mass groups of Westerners are learning about these symbols for the first time. And if you were someone who was a Zionist who is seeing a bunch of Palestinian watermelons, you're going to try to find a way to make that symbol more hateful than it actually is. And one of the other, if you want to make it more hateful, just move to the American South.

Yeah, that's true. It's been hateful for a long time. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's funny, too, because the Zionists have also, they've started putting bananas, bananas in their profile picture. Because someone at UCLA had someone who was a Palestinian solidarity activist said they had a banana allergy, severe banana allergy. So you have a banana allergy. Yeah, so this is, I feel like especially targeted. It's very scary out there.

That's crazy. So I wanted to know, because it was the first time I'd ever heard of a banana allergy. Yeah. I mean, like, I can eat bananas. So what happened, I think, and this is like a very, like, weird thing. I just didn't eat a banana for a while when I was like 10 or something. Okay. And then, because I always liked them.

I just didn't eat one for like a year or something. And then my body was like, oh, now you can't digest bananas. Oh. And it's also the same with like avocados and artichokes. I get like the same reaction. Very weird. Oh, wow. So everyone does my weaknesses now.

So, you know, it's, so that sounds like a banana intolerance. I'm just going to say, you know. Okay, I'm sorry. Like, let's not appropriate allergies. As someone who is allergic to nuts and not, you know, intolerant. I am so sorry. I know it's so. Yeah, this is just, it's just so fucked up.

You have a banana sensitivity. I have a been, yeah, you have a banana sensitivity. Would it make you all better, feel better to see the allergy test I got this year, where I was allergic to everything that they tested? Yeah, it is fucking insane. Those allergy tests are some bullshit. I know we're on a tangent here, but I think I, it also says I'm allergic to everything. I think I'm just allergic to being, to having little bits of like oils and waters put on my skin.

Because everything just like got inflamed. And I was like, yeah, I'm just, I'm allergic to moisture. You know, I'm not allergic to potatoes. I got a test to show me all the things I'm secretly prejudiced about. I'm like, can you give us the talk to? Yeah, please, please. No, I will not. I want to hear this.

Just lists of slurs. Okay, to bring it back. Hold on. I got this. I'm allergic to propaganda. There you go. Hey, you brought it back. So the other symbol that they are appropriating is also the keys that Palestinian. And, oh, are you wearing your key right now?

Yeah, I actually, I didn't get this for, as a Palestinian symbol. My mom gave it to me my 21st birthday. But now it's, yeah, it's my favorite necklace for multiple reasons now. Yeah, and it's like, it's been a powerful symbol, you know, for a long time. If anyone, you know, knows, obviously, the history of the Nakpa, then you understand the symbol. And what's interesting is watching this also being colonized. by Zionists and I'll continue my grandmother's house in Algeria and my grandparents house in Egypt and it represents the houses and businesses who was

taken from Jewish people while they were forced to leave Arab nation are you aware they also use it as a symbol yes what does it mean to they try they try to say that this represent their grand grandmother keys to a house in Jaffa or in Nazareth or wherever they come from. Which is literally exactly the same reason that you are saying you are having these keys because it's representing the places that your family was kicked out of. The difference being, and the real question to ask this guy is, cool, so who are you getting together with to try to agitate to get back to Algeria?

Like, are you trying to move back to Algeria? and Egypt like right how far away is that from where you currently live as opposed to like these people have the keys to the place they can if they could drill a hole through the security fence they'd be looking at their fucking great grandmother's house it's right there and they have the legal right to return and that's exactly what they're trying to do yes this video made me oh sorry oh no please please go on this video just made me so mad like in my family like when my great grandfather died to my dad's grandfather he was buried with a giant ring of keys because he had hotels and ends that I mean I wasn't

there because it was in the 40s but apparently you know a lot of these businesses housed Jews that were coming in after the war and he he was buried with that key ring because he carried it with him every day because he was hoping that one day he would be able to return home and then seeing that dude just like waving around some key ring with a bunch of like shit he bought at Home Depot. Right. And I'm losing my mind. And it not even being a symbol of his eventual right to return.

It's one thing. He's not trying to return to Algeria. He's not trying to return. Daniel, you know, you make the perfect point, which is that like this for you is you just doing some sort of false equivalency of the idea that you, well, you know, we also were kicked out of our homes and, you know, Algeria in Iraq and whatnot. And so what are you complaining about? And it's just like...

Right. You really want to impress me, motherfucker. Produce the keys to your home in like the land of Canaan. Right. 2,000 years ago. Like that would be, that's what's incumbent upon you. Right. Exactly.

We're talking about exactly. We're talking about who, you know, belongs and you know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, like who's indigenous. Adam says, produce your lease from Judea, you know, like, but it's, it's 100% true because it's, it's this idea that they are, you know, you know, we are all indigenous as Jews genetically to the Middle East as some sort of like, well, that's our passport to do ethnic cleansing. is obviously a completely false and morally reprehensible stance to have

and rather than, you know, doing that in that moment. Instead, he's literally just mocking people like Kat's, you know, grandfather. Makes me wonder what's next. What are the symbols they're going to appropriate next? I mean, I've seen certain Zionists try to appropriate the kaffia. Yeah. One guy in particular loves to use that as sort of a. symbol of we're cousins and you know we live but but what like what else could they try to like

up the ante in terms of taking from the Palestinians me like we can do this too too can play at that game I mean they love to raise olive trees and then talk about how their identity is based in olives yeah that's true that's right yeah yeah I mean you know the the entire the entire like narrative of the Nakba's been um already appropriated at by, you know, Zionists through their telling the story of the Mizrahim who were kicked out of their homes in the Middle East, as if, as if this was somehow, like, this was a justification, as if this is like, well, therefore it is allowed, you know, like, and as if that wasn't the, as if that wasn't the top thing on Israel's wish list for that.

100%. And as if Israel didn't play some significant, I'm not going to blame at all on Zionism. No, of course not all. I'm not going to say there wasn't, you know, anti-Semitism imported into Arab countries from Europe. And I'm not going to say there wasn't complicated things or that it was, it was rosy for Jews necessarily. But God damn, no Israeli leaders shed any tears when that happened. And they were only too happy to welcome those people as, you know, the second. They already had the Palestinian Arabs.

Well, they had the Palestinian Arabs as third-class citizens. Right. Because they couldn't make them second-class citizens. That's too good for them. So they needed someone to fill the second-class citizens a slot. 100%. And personally, I, you know, was someone who, at least for a while, was like, you know, I still have yet to do, like, a deep dive into, you know, where the facts are in terms of, like,

what was happening in all these individual Arab states. when the Jews were kicked out of their homes. But in the last eight months or so, I've more and more felt like, oh, yeah, I feel like Israel would do anything in their power to make me move to Israel, including making it unsafe for me to live in my own home. So it's given it a lot more credence.

I'll just say, that's how it feels. but yeah i wanted like growing up palestinian texas yeah i mean like i think that yeah of course uh i think that it's like in the palestinian diaspora you have like oftentimes like two extremes one where like the parents don't want to like pass on this generational trauma and like don't even sometimes don't even want to like process it so like right post 9-11 especially we didn't learn arabic in my house like my dad did not teach us that um my grandmother, like, we really connected with food and, you know, we went to go see my grandmother and grandfather and cousins, but like never been to the Middle East. And I mean, even with an

American passport, if you have an objectively Palestinian last name, it's still a pain in the ass, according to my family members with American passports that have the same last name. But for the most part, it was like about assimilation, I guess. And it was a lot easier because like my mom's name is Susan. I look like this. The blonde's fake. But, you know, in Texas, that helps. But I still dealt with a lot of shit. My brother dealt with way more because he has dark hair, dark eyes. But like, I think it was a very weird thing because I grew up conservative and I grew up Palestinian and I grew up as like a Texan family. And so there was like this almost like self-flagellation. Like I remember I know you still stock my Instagram and so you're

probably going to see this. Do you remember when you said happy 9-11 to me on 9-11 one year? And I was just like, I didn't even know how to respond to that. So I just like didn't do anything. Are you talking to a troll via our podcast right now? This is, yeah. No, I'm talking to a girl I knew in ninth grade who was a huge bitch. And I didn't do anything then. And so I'm doing something now.

Hell yeah. Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah. But yeah. So it was just, it was like really weird. And I think meeting other people in like this diaspora, you have so many people who don't

speak Arabic because like they don't want their children to be able to go back and have to deal with this shit. A hundred percent. You go through first off like not even realizing it and then you go through a phase of like being angry of like you could have taught me these things like I had to learn these things or you know I have to go through you know cousins or the internet or whatever and then when you get older you're like oh I get it. My dad worked so hard to try to not have this cycle of like constant hate and like it

wasn't perfect, but I get it. And I can't imagine what it was like. I mean, he was born in Kuwait. His parents, his dad was born in Bethlehem. His mom was in Jerusalem. Yeah. They were part of the Nakpa. He was born in Kuwait and then spent like two months in a camp,

went to get to Lebanon because you can't even get full rights back then as just like a random citizen in Kuwait. And he still like is affected by the scarlet fever. He got in that camp. And so like I can't even, yeah, it feels like it's like. the 1800s, right? So, yeah, it was a weird experience, especially being in Texas, and being post-9-11, because you just didn't really talk about it.

But then I was a really inquisitive child, so I learned a lot through books, and my parents were happy to encourage me to do that. It was just weird, though. You know, it's interesting because the way that I've heard, what you just said is very similar to the way that a lot of people in the Palestinian diaspora, at least in America, talk about growing up Palestinian. And not just in America, but also, you know, in other places in the West, right? Like we had Indy Nile on the show was a great content creator, a Palestinian content creator in Denmark.

Where was he, Daniel? It was like Sweden. Amsterdam, I think. Amsterdam. Okay. And, you know, it's this thing of like sort of, you know, hiding that part of the identity. And it

just reminds me a lot of the experience of the Jewish diaspora in like in the much older generations of my own family where they're like, you know, there are Ukrainian Jews or Russian

Jews and they, you know, they just say Russian. They're like, let's not get into the publicly. We're not talking about the whole Jew thing. It was like, you know, this idea of assimilation was incredibly important to a lot of families, you know, when anti-Semitism in America was truly, truly something to, you know, behold. Like, it was not to say again that anti-Semitism isn't something that still exists today, but it is a completely different, you know, situation in terms

of people being openly Jewish and openly proud of being Jewish. And in fact, there's a reaction to the assimilationism of being like, no, become more identifiably Jewish, more proudly Jewish, whereas like you still see generations of, you know, Palestinians who all have this same story of like, we didn't really talk about it. We didn't, you know, we didn't want to publicly acknowledge it because it just felt generally unsafe. I mean, like with your relatives, it's not like they have a home to go back to. You know, when you're escaping from Russia in the late 1800s, early 1900s, it's not like you're ever going to be able to return, at least not for decades.

So, like, might as well just block it off. Right. And also not try to, you know, not try to stir up the hatred. And, you know, it's just not worth it. And I don't know how I, you know, when I see liberal Zionists out there being so mad that there are these people who are pro-Palestinian and like how could you be i'm like how could you fucking not be and what part of the stories that we have heard from our own families do you what do you not see within the Palestinian diaspora in this very moment you know like it is so

ironically enough it was the 1967 war that gave north american jews an infusion of that's a hundred percent true and and and not coincidentally that's also when the U.S. sort of military industrial complex woke up and was like hey hey scrappy little fighter we want them you know more solidly on our team our aircraft carrier in the Middle East so now I mean prior to 1967 it was kind of a badge of shame no one was even talking about the Holocaust back then there wasn't this whole Holocaust education industry where we had come from and what had happened to us was best forgotten about, not talked about, or kind of just talked about in somber tones and

moved on. But all of a sudden, we had this new thing to identify with, which was a winner. Yeah. And of course, the narrative was spun very, very heavily to make that war seem a lot less inevitably an Israeli victory than it actually was. But still, this scrappy little underdog, David and Goliath and now all of a sudden you can proudly be Jewish and you're and be in the good graces of the mainstream yeah because the mainstream is now oriented towards you know supporting Israel and of course there still was plenty of anti-Semitism in the country but it gave us a huge leg up in terms of being acceptable and it's such a damn shame that it took a military victory by an occupying power with genocidal intent in its DNA

to give us a reason to walk down the street feeling good about ourselves. I mean, I think about like the American education system and the Israeli education system. By the way, I just want to plug like a book that I read in college that was really great. for anyone that like doesn't know a lot about like wars or how um israel in the arab world interacted uh it's called the iron wall israel and the arab world um and it's by a historian who was born and raised in israel um and started to see like was simcha flapan um no it was i had to go through my old blackboard account um avishlame oh yeah yeah yeah of course iraqi jewish that's right oh really i didn't know he was iraqi too yeah yeah yeah his

latest book is what is it called? Between three worlds maybe? Between a rock and a hard place. I'm sorry. No, but it's about his life as an Arab Jew. I need to read that. He's a bad dad. He's the hobbit

of the pro-Palestine Jewish left. He's got this beautiful hobbit face. Hobbit hair. Yeah, I remember I remember reading his book and he came and spoke to my class and it was it just like it was give a lot of context and he it felt like there was a real attempt to be fair

on both sides while not you know capitulating to either anyways very great book but like the american education system were so brainwashed I mean think about after 9-11 like there was stuff that we would talk about in class like in elementary and middle school yeah that if you thought about it today you're like what the fuck are you saying but it's to condition you as a child or like just the patriotism we're instilled with saying you know the pledge of allegiance every morning and a lot of people want to look at you know what's happening now as just netin yahoo but no it's an entire population that is being indoctrinated through this type of patriotism just like in the u.s they're very similar and like as someone who grew up conservative and as someone who had to

like shed these myths in my head that i thought were true or yeah these historical facts that we're not actually facts, it's hard to break that. It doesn't mean it's impossible, but it also doesn't mean that it's just the leadership. Like there's an entrenched issue that is very purposeful. And that militarized education is something we get here. And it's the same over there. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I want to finish this video just because I really found the explanation that the host is giving the guy to the keys and the watermelon interesting and mostly

that the Israeli person's denial of the, you know, what he calls folklore, we'll just watch it. They try to say that this represents their grand grandmother keys to a house in Jaffa or in Nazareth or wherever they come from. In reality, it's bogus.

In real life, you don't start a war, lose, and then say, okay, let's pretend it didn't happen. You know, it's just one of those things. And then the watermelon as well. The watermelon, I haven't seen it before here. Yeah. Is this new? Yeah, that's something we, summer is coming.

And in Israel, the watermelon is a staple. You're not going to prohibit us from eating watermelons. You know, it's silly. What? I don't think they're trying. No, no, I'm too. That's what we want. We don't want you to eat watermelon.

Only Palestinians can eat watermelon. watermelon. Yeah, very famously. That's what the watermelon symbol is about. It's about only Palestinians can have watermelons. We're holding up a watermelon and we're saying Israelis, you can't eat that. I actually do remember at Zionist summer camp, there was a song about watermelons in Hebrew. The word is avatiyah. They taught it to us. So, you know, already instilling us back in the 1980s that watermelon us. Watermelon us, exactly. they continue. Yeah, yeah.

They use it because apparently the Palestinian flag was banned in Israel. So the watermelon represents the colors, green, red, black and white. That's a very nice folklore. That's a great folklore. One for the ages. I live at your death. Interesting. Now, if you'll see, I zoomed in on a watermelon sign that says made in Israel.

And you'll see that it is, they made their watermelon sign. the colors of the Israeli flag. So you have this blue and white water melons. Can I just say something? Looks like a haribou gummy. Those aren't the colors of a watermelon. Watermelons aren't blue and white. I hate to tell you.

That's the thing. And so this idea, like, you know, when he says like, oh, that's the folklore. That's what they want you to believe about the watermelon. And you see in the background, someone who's literally doing the thing. Okay, we'll put our flag colors on here.

You know what I'm getting strong vibes of? What? You ever read the Dr. Seuss book, The Sneeches? No. Tucker Carlson one time read the entirety of the sneeches during a segment. It's a great book. I'd be curious to know what point Tucker was trying to make. But it's about this, you know, there's these two peoples, the sneaches and, well, it's the sneeches.

And some of them have stars on their bellies and some of them don't. No, no, sorry. They don't, none of them have it. And then a guy comes along with a star belly making machine and they hop through the thing and they get stars on their belly. So some of them do, some of them don't. And then the ones who don't get really jealous. So they decide that they're going to pay him as well. It's a kind of Lyle-Landly, you know, monorail kind of thing, you know, from the six.

But now the ones who got the stars in the first place are pissed off because they're not special. So he presents a machine to take the stars off and so on and so forth. And then there's a big war. and then they kick him out I did not read this this sounds like a very specific Seuss book was this a novel he wrote

was it like this doesn't sound like a children's book this sounds like a multi multi book sci-fi series most people think of it is his word rising

he's literally just Red Rising it's his war and peace yeah is this the expanse yeah I mean this idea of just kind of like reaction

the reactionary urge to appropriate a symbol that makes you feel bad about your past or about your present is so it's just so funny to me

because you you're not beating the the colonizer charges with this you know like you are you are literally just doing the thing

that you're mad at people calling you out for it's just a complete it's like the baby shredder y'all are talking about yes it's like you're literally doing this yeah we're watching you shred you know the UN charter and you're saying you all doing these oh it is uh it's great speaking of shredding charters and buying baby shredders uh we have to take a quick little commercial break so that uh our you know viewers and listeners can purchase all sorts of objects that they can shove into a baby shredder and you know so that they can make a point at the UN someday so fuck yes fuck yeah stick around we'll be right back um and we're back oh what a great commercial break that was had so much

fun um i want to uh talk a little bit about the news uh because honestly a lot of sad shit has happened in the last uh seven days since our last episode um i feel like every time uh you know this podcast is done um all the sudden israel does something um horrific and I am like, well, I already did an episode and now I have to wait seven days to do another one and it's just going to be stale, you know, so I'm just saying like genocide affects everyone a little bit differently. For me, it affects my way of processing the shit, which is by talking about it on this podcast. So we're going to be talking about the Nusirat refugee camp attack that led to the freeing of four Israeli captives,

the killing of over 270 Palestinians and the wounding of over 700 more. Sorry, Matt, hold up, hold up, pulled up. I got a fact that you can go out. Oh, please. Because I read the New York Times very carefully. I combed their articles. Big fans of New York Times here.

And every single article on this described it as scores of Palestinians. Ah, scores. scores. Well, you can't have a number of Palestinians. That's not how it works. That's right. That's right. It's like a language thing, you know, like we don't identify as like a number. It's more like a flock or like a, exactly, a murder of Palestinians. A murder of Palestinians. Fuck my life. You don't even, you don't say, you don't say how many Palestinians. You say how much Palestinians. Yeah, exactly. That's the correct. Yeah. Exactly. One grip of Palestinians.

were murdered and or wounded. And, you know, one of the stories that has been kind of left out of this narrative has been, according to the Hamas run, Hamas ministry of Hamas running ministries of Hamas, these hostages that there were actually three more hostages, including one American, who were killed in the Israeli hostage rescue operations. that, yeah. That can't happen. Well, no evidence was, you know, provided to, look, man, if you're going to, if you're going to rescue an omelet, you're going to break some eggs.

Yeah, exactly. Don't understand the concept of what hostages are for. Yeah. I feel like it's, I know, I know. Like, after October 7th, I wanted to be like, guys, hostages, like, there are demands. It's not just like a mad rush of anti-Semitism. Right. Right. Yes. Civilian deaths, awful. We can all agree on this. But like if a bank is being robbed and there are hostages there, there are usually a negotiator that talks about like how to get the hostages back because there are usually demands.

Yeah, and it's not to say that the police are not within their rights to try to rescue the hostages, but it is to say if you demolish the bank and save one of them, people would go, someone should fire the police chief. You know, like, that would be considered a massive failure. And, you know, hostages aren't really there to be killed by the person holding them hostage. that's not, that's not what hostages are. I just, I feel like we need to clear this up. Yeah, and it's, you know, this idea of like, well, you know, again, you know, they say over and over, Hamas is at fault for every civilian death because if they would just release the hostages, you know, yada, yada, yada. And it's just one of those lines that they keep repeating, despite the fact that over and over and over again, it has been stated by the very, very.

very same Hasbarus, who continue to say this, that were they to get all the hostages back, the war would not end? Because the end of the war is predicated on some, you know, idea that Hamas surrenders completely. And of course, Hamas is a very loose term in Israeli society to kind of mean whoever the fuck they decide it means, as long as they're Arab. I don't know if you guys saw there's a very, there was a very funny, uh, It is completely ridiculous, but again, the Hamas, you know, ministry of, you know, Hamas ministries of PR of Hamas is the one who said this. And they did not provide, you know, evidence, which, you know, for me, I'm like, hey, you know,

people who are journalists got to get some sort of, you know, verification of a claim. What if we let journalists in to go figure it out? That's too hard. You can't just let journalists in. Then that's just more people to kill. What if we listen to the Palestinian journalists that are on the ground and risking their lives? Well, okay. You make a great point, cat, but here's the problem. The journalists, so-called journalists, they're all Hamas as well. And speaking of unverified claims, Israeli Hasbars have been strenuously pushing the story. that an Al Jazeera journalist named Abdallah Al-Jemal

who was murdered along with him and his wife and a bunch of his family they're pushing this story that he was Hamas and he was holding three of the hostages captive. Now there is a few headlines here from various... Matt, before you do that, I just need to put in a request that we make a version of the theme song

which is journalist Hamas you know potato chips Hamas like everything that is the Hamas version that's a great idea Hamas Shwamha bitch remix new shit

and we have to have Buster rhymes come in and do a guest I know I've been trying to get Busta but yeah so like this was like a line that was pushed by a lot of people including you know people that I know personally were sending me this because you know I had worked for Al Jazeera and they're like oh so you worked for a terrorist organization and so here is one of them from times of it israel IDF confirms Abdallah al Jamal Hamas terrorist and news contributor um was holding three

hostages in his Nuserat uh in his home in Nuserat alongside his family this fucking Australian or some New Zealander Drew Pavlou he's like a big He's really been popping up recently Yeah

I've been seeing a lot of him Yeah he's just like one of the You know just like You get these like occasional Like random Zionist psychopaths Who are just some guy from some place And you're just like Who is this person?

How is it that How is it that without me ever having heard of these people? Yeah Without following them Yeah They suddenly pop up with regularity in my feed. Like, I would understand that the algorithm sometimes feeds you someone random. Yes.

But, like, every single Hasbaris that we've talked about, I didn't seek them out. I started seeing their shit pop up spontaneously. That's an Elon thing. That is absolutely an Elon thing, where he is, in order to beat the anti-Semitism charges, I'm sure. he has decided to yeah to push these hesbarus and just just be an anti-semit just own it just be a fucking anti-semite it's okay you're already doing it you're gonna get more fans that way honestly when it comes to like the guys that already like you you're not getting anyone else no one else is gonna like you in this point yeah I respect you more yeah because at least you wouldn't be you know trying to like hide you know and

cower behind this like fucking you know this idea that well as long as i'm pro israel i can you know i can put all of the nazis on on my feed it is so insane um but like you know this you know this guy drew pavlou and fucking you know brianna woo and like uh uh that guy destiny like all these like you know these new new school of hesbarus you know who are um people who who have been propped up by this, like, Elon algorithm, essentially, that has, you know, been, like, pushing anyone who's, you know, doing pro-Zionist content to the top. So they're all, like, you know, suckling on that and feeding off of that.

And, you know, as someone who's been following this for a long time, like, I know the Hasbaris. Like, I knew Rudy Rahman. I knew Henmezig. Like, these are people who've been around for a while. Blake felt and all these, like, slimy, scummy, scummy. psychopaths have been around and doing this and been in this game for a while so when i see like new people like drew pavlo i'm like fucking get in line bro like you've got a you got a there's a long

list of like people have been you know in it for the love of the game for the love of the genocide game for a long time you fucking jewie come lately's yeah exactly they're always gentile too and uh we'll get more into that at some point but um like did you see the thing about destiny going to Israel for like 20 minutes and then he was like getting yelled at maybe this is wrong I love it so much yeah destiny went to Israel I love by the way him just going on birthright randomly in the middle of all this he's just like this is the time I mean listen the trade off of doing like you know pro genocide propaganda is that you get a free trip and you know worth it At Ben-Gurian Airport, the passport control people are like, Mr. Borelli, we are very happy to see you.

Welcome, Mr. Bonnelli. Remember when Ficklstein gave him all the, called him about 40 different names in the span of five hours? Mr. Bafungul, very, very nice to meet you. Mr. Bodicelli. Anyways, Paliachi, this way. But, yeah, so the story about the Al Jazeera journalist, you know, it's been spread far and wide by people, you know, the idea that he is Hamas, the idea that he has, you know, held three hostages.

New York Post also wrote about it. Gaza journalist who wrote for Al Jazeera was holding three hostages in home with family, comma, Israel says. Now that comment is... Treating them very decently. Yeah, right. Feeding them. Yeah.

The idea that, like, the New York Post, wrote that comma Israel says is I think pretty important because I did have some people sending me this and being like what do you think you know I like as someone who worked for Al Jazeera

you know what do you think and it's important I think to look at the Israel says part of it because if there's one thing we've seen consistently in the last eight months is that when the only claim is coming from Israel

there's probably a lie I think that is clear to say and CNN World actually did a headline that really pissed off the Hezbaris Israel alleges journalists held hostages in Gaza without providing evidence. Good for you CNN World.

Good for you CNN. I don't think I'd ever say that. Yeah, no, I say it's basically like you know, mother is a poo-poo stinky face. as toddler says. Right. Exactly. I mean, listen, I trust toddlers, you know, to an extent, but I'm not going to cite them without hearing some extreme, you know, some convincing evidence of mother actually being a poo-poo face.

I mean, it's like how journalists in, I mean, every country, but like especially here just take what like a police union says with no criticism whatsoever. And we talk about how that's wrong here. But then talking about like an occupying military force, they are always. going to say something that will help with the occupation, whether it's the U.S. military, trying to cover up war crimes in Afghanistan or literally anywhere we've been. Like, they're always going to say that. And it blows my mind because I just know so many people who pre-October 7th were skeptics, or at least like had the normal amount of skepticism when it came to something

that like the military of any country claims where they would just be like, well, Yeah, of course they would say that because you would, I mean, anyone with half a brain is just like, well, consider the source, you know? I mean, what's nice about that headline, what's nice about that headline is normally, like say in the New York Times, they'll put Palestinian officials, say, in headlines, but they'll never put it in, with Israel says in the headline, they'll put it later in the article. So they'll make the assertion as if it's fact. Right. And then you'll have a big, big, big paragraph with all these alleged. these elaborate allegations Israeli officials said

according to the same thing with it's the intelligence officials say the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian misinformation intelligence officials say right of course yeah and but if if you were to for example

look up the claim about the three hostages who were killed during the raid the vast vast majority of the headlines If you can find them, if you can find them outside of like, you know, the AP or Reuters are, you know, the headline is Hamas says that three, you know, Israeli captives were murdered in the, in the radar. And I think that's fair because we don't have any journalists on the ground. Right.

But you have to do it on both. You have to do it for both. That's the thing. That's the thing. It's like having the, you know, actual journalists to do the verification. of a story is like part of journalism right and so the idea that like you're easily going to find you know the standards of journalism being applied to you know anything that the Hamas run whatever says but not to Israel is insane which for me I was it made me relatively impressed with even the

post doing the comma it says Israel says it was like hey look at this like yeah they're doing something. In fairness, Kat, I mean, at this point, short of Amirahas and Gidon Levy and the people of plus 972, there aren't any journalists on the ground in Israel either. Right. 100%. 100%. I mean, like, I was just at this cheerleaders and stenographers.

That's right. Yeah, I was at this symposium for Shereen Ablauio's murder on the anniversary of her murder this year. And a lot of discussion was like what's happening in Gaza right now and like what's happening in the West Bank and how. many journalists have died and like consensus for everyone in the room journalists from so many institutions foreign policy people from so many institutions both state and NGOs was like there are no journalists on the ground but as soon as there are whatever that may be it's going to like

the investigation from journalists from all over the world not just the u.s we should be thinking what they're saying seriously right now but because that's just like people don't believe it if it comes from a weird last name, it's going to be so much worse once they get in. And that's why they're not allowed it. And that's why they're not allowed to, you know, move freely even in Israel when people try it. Like you have an escort when you're going to, uh, investigate things just in Israel, not even in Gaza. Yeah. And and, and, you know, the, I think it is why you see such a concerted effort to, uh, preemptively shape the narrative in everyone's mind. You know, they, they want to make sure that by the time they allow

actual investigation and journalism to be done, they want to make sure that you are sufficiently prepared to blame Hamas for anything that Israel does. Speaking of which, and speaking

of the Times of London, which you showed kind of a shitty headline from them, but you guys see that they wrote an article basically being like, yeah, the evidence about mass rape on October 7th doesn't really add up. And they basically corroborated what electronic intifada, the gray zones, you know, people from the start have been doing, you know, and they quoted the head of an Israeli rape crisis

organization, like a major one who said, this is a woman who said, you know, the government kept saying, they came up with this line, believe Israeli women, she says, that's not what they meant. They meant believe Israel. And this was in the times of London. Crystal Ball did a really good 10-minute monologue about it. They recommend people check that out on breaking points. I remember on October 7th, I had a couple people I really love who aren't

like very invested in the conflict, you know? And honestly, I think that there is you know, like as someone, like I studied international affairs and stuff like that, I understand the argument for proportionality. Not saying it's good or any of the backstories good here or whatever,

but I can understand a proportional strike from just like a four foreign policy perspective. Okay. And the consensus, like, talking to me, because I was just devastated. Like, I didn't tweet or anything. Like, every Palestinian I know was like, I'm just going to watch. Like, I have no idea what to do right now.

Yes. This is another common story that I've heard from a lot of Palestinian. Yeah. I had, like, someone the other day that was like, you cunt, you tweeted about how happy you were about the Hamas rapes on October 7th. And I was like, I didn't tweet on October 7th. And it certainly would never, whatever. Anyways, and I just told them about it.

I was like just just watch it's about to get a lot worse like yes just be prepared to hear some of like the most insane things you've ever heard and like please look at it critically and within like three days all of those several people that I love so much for like holy shit and that was three days after October 7th yeah and now it's just like yeah it is I mean you know I'm glad that you know they went that direction or not the other direction because I know A lot of people went the other direction. Oh, absolutely. But just in terms of talking about this, like, you know, story about the Al Jazeera journalist

and people who I know who, again, are people who before the 7th had very critical minds, at least I thought, just kind of like not putting together like the obvious reason as to why Israel would claim that this journalist. was Hamas, you know, according to, you know, continuing from the New York Post article, Al-Jemal's death was originally reported by Rami Abdu, the head of the Euromed Human Rights Monitor, who claimed... Is that Hamas-led Euro-R-Rates monitor? Yeah, that's right, yes.

The Hamas-led Yeromed Human Rights Monitor, claimed that the IDF soldiers raided the journalist's home and killed him and several members of his family. So it's a very clear motive as to why Israel would claim this guy is Hamas and holding hostages because they did a fucking execution of a journalist in his entire fucking family. I mean, it's just like, again, this is not confirming or denying whether or not the story is real. It's just looking at something that the IDF says and being like, well, I'm taking that at face value. insane to me. And I've seen it so much. And meanwhile, you know, with these, the return of these captives from, you know, from Israel, people are already starting to do the thing where

they look at the health conditions of the, of the captives and comparing them to Palestinian captives. And in fact, there was a... Basim Tamimi in particular, right? Yes, Basim Tamimi in particular, I mean, you look at him after however many months of, you know, detention, of administrative detention he was on. And this is a peaceful, this is I had to Mimi's father. And he is, you know, if you talk about like, oh, whoa, where are the peaceful, you know, pro-Palestine activists? Right.

Right. And he, you see a picture of him after, you know, his months in captivity. And he looks gaunt. He is clearly thin. And that's not to say. that the Israeli captives are like, oh, therefore, you know, if they come out looking a little bit thicker, you know, or a little bit, or looking healthy, you know, to just the naked eye from one photo. I'm not saying, oh, that means that they had a splendid time. But, you know, you see the way in which the Israeli media and the Hezbaris are desperately trying to make sure that the narrative of how.

the captives were treated stays dark and scary because that's the shit. Are you catching the flak that returning hostages are catching inside of Israeli society? Yes. There was a they took a quote from a woman a freed hostage I think. A gum, yes. She was so sad that you know Israel doesn't want to ceasefire

or just talking about and they turned it they made a song out of it or something, like a rap song? Oh, I missed that. Jesus. Yeah. God damn it. I wish I had found that. No, instead I, you know. They said this is going to be the song of the summer, you know, like on some Israeli shock jock show. They're, you know, hostages are getting death threats and prank calls. And I mean, there was a dad that was saying, like, people that speak out on like getting

their family saying like the Israeli government isn't doing enough or the Israeli government is like, you know, firing on hostages that like the government. it told him they were like okay we're going to put your families that name down on the list then like whoever like your son or whoever yeah and and it's it's so fucking crazy you like you're seeing it being done for like also reasons that are so insane it's like people who are being you know held hostage by Hamas they are by and large none of them are going out and being like actually it was pretty great and you guys uh should try it.

Yeah. Kind of bummed to be back, T.B.H. Yeah, yeah, to be H. Uh, kind of bummed to be back here. Nice to have a break, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, it's like,

none of them are talking like it was a fucking mental health spa or whatever. And like, yet they, if they say anything, um, positive, now they get piled on by their own countrymen or whatever. And, uh, so there's a gum, um, this was an amazing interview yeah agam goldstein al-mog freed from captivity and hostage deal says i'm hurt from negative comments from Israelis like quote too bad you returned yeah and i mean and that is just the tip of the iceberg of the shit she's been getting and i'll tell you the reason why she's getting that is for this fucking interview and this

interview, it is not, like, the things they are mad about in this interview are insane, because you expect it to be like, actually, it was pretty lit. Israel kind of sucks. Like, no, this is, this is like, intifada, inservada. Yeah. Oh, shit. Fuck. God damn. Who was that who was, who was captured by the Symbionese Liberation Army and kind of joined them? Was it Patty Hurst? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not that. She didn't come back. waving a Palestinian flag. Yeah, no, it's funny because they also, they're already getting ready for this narrative

of Stockholm syndrome. Right, exactly. It wasn't real, by the way. Rescued hostages said, suffering from malnutrition, leaning on each other for support. This article goes in. Where did all the food go, you guys?

Yeah. And this is from the time. Noah Argamani said that the time she was the most terrified was during Israeli bombardments. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're already, that article in and of itself is about Stockholm syndrome and about how they are all going to be experiencing.

Stockholm syndrome, they are preemptively getting ready for people to start saying something even slightly positive about their experience. Well, do you know the origins of Stockholm syndrome? Say again. Do you know the origins of Stockholm syndrome? No, I actually don't. It was, I think it was a bank robbery in Stockholm. There was a hostage situation and these people that were there,

and I believe it was like specifically women that were accused of this, were trying to like survive and so tried to be nicer to their captors so they wouldn't die. It's called fawning. Yeah, because they were terrified also of the police coming in and killing everyone. And so afterwards they like told the police, they were like, you did a bad job. Like we had to do this because of, you know, what you were doing. And the police were like,

they're fucking in love with the robbers. They love them so much. They loved being in hostage and now this Stockholm syndrome. It's literally not real. It's that Sydney Lumet Puccino film Dog Day Afternoon.

Yeah, exactly. You know, when you're in that situation, you have to, you know, you do what you can within it and you relate to the people that you're there to relate to. And you try to relate to them on a human level.

and maybe you get to know that to help them get out of this situation. Right. And it's ridiculous because it's just like immediately people, you know, upon hearing anything like that humanizes their captors, they're just like, you're a fucking traitor and a scumbag. And you see the way in this, you know, I'll continue this article from Times of Israel. Let's see. The con public broadcaster reported that after initial conversations with the four, medical professionals noted that the rescued hostages spoke about their awful experiences that they had been subjected to in captivity,

while also saying that their captors cared about their well-being. Jan said that as a, quote, cynical gesture, his captors made him a cake for his birthday. They might have fucked. Like, I mean, it's just one of those things where, yeah, here it is. They sang him the most sarcastic, happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, buddy. I feel like once again, we don't understand what hostages are.

Your hostage shouldn't die because then they're not a hostage anymore. Like, if we're being as cynical as possible, you need a live hostages. Yeah, I know. I just have to say, like, the Israeli version of happy birthday to you has always been. bothered me so much. Yeah. Because, well, it's Yom Hulet at Samhah. So why is it

a bother? But then they, well, because they repeat it four times. The structure of the song is, happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear something, happy birthday to you. That's an ABA structure. It's a classic yesterday by the Beatles is an ABA structure. That's right. Of Cole Porter's songs

is ABA. It's a classic form. It's very satisfying. But all they do is they repeat Yomelah 7th four times. There's no word because you can't... Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday.

No, but it's... But here's... because here's the problem. Yom hu led it samif doesn't mean happy birthday to me. It just means happy birthday. It just takes up so many fucking syllables. That's all they have the room for. So there's no room for who it's...

Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Hey, happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. It's fucking maddening. That's awful.

hey you know listen everyone every language has its pitfalls um but yeah i mean just the the way in which like the narrative is already starting to be shaped and you know to me it's it's absolutely ridiculous to even have to do that because i don't think there's a person in the world of normal brain who is going to look at um you know any hostage who's been in captivity for you know however long and just kind of like, you know, assume that even if they're saying things like, you know, we worked out together or we talked about stuff, no one is going like, oh, they were nice. You know what I mean? It's like, like the only reason that that has become the reaction is because people are comparing it to the way that Israelis treat their captive Palestinians.

And it's completely different. But before we do that, I do want to show the video of, agam the one that pissed off all these people to the point of them literally threatening her saying that they wish she had died and bombing attacks and all this stuff

and here this is it right here Agam did you exercise yes a little what did the militants say when you exercise they said bravo and that it was very important that I did this and did they exercise too

no But there was arm wrestling, yes. A young man from them did arm wrestling with me, but he brought a towel. Yeah, this is the mother. By the towel, because it is forbidden for them to touch us. For them, women are sacred. Women are like queens. They gave her a beautiful name there, a very beautiful Arabic name, Sal Sabil.

It means water, and it is mentioned in the Quran. It means sweet water. I said to him, what a coincidence. My name in Israel, Agam, it means lake. That's it. that's literally like the idea that she's like people are taking that uh i i don't know uh her exact age which she's she's she's clearly young and she she was kidnapped uh along with her mother and her two younger brothers and you know it's just like you

the fact that you could be in his fucking healthy i'm sorry she was only she was only Right, but she was only in captivity for a few weeks. That was in an earlier deal. That was in an earlier deal. I take it back. Yeah. But, you know, like the idea that an Israeli is sitting there watching this interview and being like, you fucking asshole, how dare you say those nice things about it? It's like, she didn't say anything nice.

She just said like, well, they, you know, their religion says they're not allowed to touch women. and that they gave me a nice name. I thought they were all people rapists beasts that are constantly raping Jewish women. Right. That's what they did. You can rape them, but you can't touch them.

Right, exactly. You got, it's like a full body condom. Am I remembering? They're really into latex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just gim suits everywhere. In the movies, am I remembering right in the movie Stripes

with Bill Murray and Harold Ramis from the early, you know, the Ivan Rebent film? There's like a love scene where like, one of them, like the woman like we're going to do this but you can't we can't actually touch if you're asking about stripes you're asking the wrong guy i saw meatballs but i didn't see stripes i've you know listen there's a whole era of like uh bill murray movies uh that i missed out on because once i saw

ghostbusters i just went forward from there um absolutely sorry uh but yeah like you know these this talk about like well you know she should have been you know talking about how horrific her experience was

and whatnot and it just makes them sign they should make them sign disclosure agreements before they get in there be like we only have 30 seconds sign this but it's not an NDA

it's like you're only going to talk shit it's a talk shit agreement it's a TSA you know it's a TSA do you want to go home Sign this. It says here, whereas the undersigned promises to only bad mouth her captors and to downplay any acts of kindness or humanity. Sign.

No, you don't want it. Okay, stay. I mean, you know, some of them are doing versions. I, you know, giving someone a cynical birthday cake is like. I really want to, like, figure out how to make a cynical birthday cake and then make it for every friend that I have. Well, it's got to have cinnamon in it. It's got to have cinnamon. I love cinnamon.

yeah yeah yeah it makes it less cynical because I just I love cinnamon so much what if you put in like coriander like it looks like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah it's not how I make dolmas now so yeah yeah the way we tortured him is we gave him a savoury birthday cake I did that with an Israeli accent because I can't do an Arabic one but you know we're talking about like the you know the way in which that the israeli you know has bars want people to talk about their time in captivity and want to talk about like the the almost animalistic evil of the um Palestinian people and of Hamas and you know that as soon as a captive who has been freed

says anything salacious and negative it's going to be plastered over everywhere and that's not to say that it's not a good thing to I mean you know it's like part of journalism is reporting what happened if someone has a story them telling it is them telling it

and you know but what annoys me is about the disproportionate response of our media to the things that each side does. For example, the New York Times released a story about how Palestinian captives are treated. And it's fucking insane. It's about the camp?

There's several insane things about this. Yes. Number one, it's, well, you want to, why don't you set it up? Let me read some excerpts from it. Um, so let's see. No, but tell us which, tell us which paragraph this is. How far down is this paragraph, Matt? Oh, I, I don't know because I didn't take the screenshots myself, but it's extremely far down.

Like almost a bit of course. It's impressive that it happened. It's impressive that they got this access. It's impressive that they interviewed that, you know, and it's, but it's like, and you think it's fairly explosive, but then there's this paragraph sitting about 17 graphs down. Yeah. That you could easily miss. And it's nowhere near the headline.

And why don't you go ahead and read it to us? Because if this happened, imagine this happened in reverse. Yes. 100%. 100%. So it is a leak draft of the Unruheor report detailed an interview that gave a similar account. It's a 41-year-old detainee who said that interrogators, quote,

made me sit on something like a hot metal stick and it felt like fire. And also that another detainee died after they put the electric stick up here. his anus like so this is literally rape literally rape I mean it's rape without touch which is exactly what we were talking about earlier yeah you know the first

the first guy testified that a female prison guard made him sit on a metal stick that was there you go yeah yeah so uh that was you know that was sort of fixed to the ground and it penetrated him for about five seconds

Yeah. So Ibrahim Shaheen, a 38, a truck driver, detained in early December for nearly three months that he was shocked roughly half a dozen times while sitting in a chair. Officers accused him of concealing information. Any information they get from him is going to happen because he has a fucking electric stick up his ass. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's why you can't trust information given under torture. Yeah, given under torture. Exactly. You will say anything to make the pain stop. They'll give you an answer, but it's. It's the wrong one. And so this is Mr. Al, fuck, I can't read it because there's a sign in front of it. So someone, the senior nurse said that a female officer had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to the ground. Mr. Al Hamlawi said the stick penetrated his rectum for roughly five seconds.

causing it to bleed and leaving him with, quote, unbearable pain. I mean, the fucking insanity of this, like, just, you know, out and out rape and torture and murder of these captive Palestinians who are being held in completely, you know, illegal. Torture camps and illegal under international law. I mean, these guys are being detained, you know, under administrative detention or being detained as part of the war on terror that they have, this like, you know, fucking a Guantanamo the size of the entire state of Israel, essentially. And you guys want to hear a Palestinian joke? Oh, please.

About this. So this, I originally saw this years ago in Joe Sacco's graphic comic, graphic novel, Palestine. I don't know if you know Joe Sacco, a really amazing cartoonist who back in the 90s, I think, did, you know, like think mouse, right, Art's Beagleman. But this is actual reporting of what's going on now, sort of drawing the occupation. And he illustrated this particular joke, but this is the text version of it. So three secret agents are walking along the edge of a forest, right? One's CIA, one's KGB, and one is Shin Bet, Shabak, right? That's the Israeli interrogation services, the internal police.

And they see a rabbit running into the woods, and they decided they made a bet, right, or sort of a wager of who could go in and capture it. Actually, as I remember the story, they're already arguing about who's more badass, and they're like, okay, we'll set up a test. They find a rabbit. Like, we'll let this rabbit off in the woods. Whoever can come back with it the fastest is the most badass secret agent. So they released the rabbit.

Before you go on, I just love right now that your face is so dark. It looks like an anonymous source is telling us a joke. And can you please garble your voice? Yeah. Oh, I'll speak like this. So the CIA guy goes in. And in 20 minutes flat, he comes out with the rabbit being like, see, I told you guys. KGB agent.

uh is of course this is outdated joke but still kgb agent uh says that is nothing releases the rabbit into the woods goes back in seven minutes later comes back holding the rabbit hands it to the shinback guy goes what show me what you can do shinbeck guys goes no problem i got this so he lets the rabbit go goes into the woods CIA and kgb guys are waiting on the edge of the woods they wait for five minutes 10 minutes passed, 20 minutes, 40 minutes, a full hour has gone by and no, you know, the Israeli guy hasn't come back. So they go wandering into the woods looking for him. And after a little while, they happen upon a clearing

where they see their Israeli friend holding on to the scruff of a donkey's neck and just punching the fucking donkey in the face screaming, admit you're the rabbit, admit you're the rabbit. I love that joke. it took me a little too long to tell it i could have done no i like it i loved it i think it built attention i love a long wind up it feels good um but yeah i mean just you know to be fair you know you guys talk about this article from new york times like you know not mentioning this stuff you know uh until later in the article the headline i thought was good i thought it was a good

headline so it was called screams without words um no sorry that's not it it is this uh inside the base where israel has detained thousands of gossans you know it's catchy and it's like detained you know they're just they're just in detention yeah come out next period exactly they'll come out next period they might have to get their mom to sign something but eventually you know it's just like hey you know if you don't want to be detained you shouldn't have been throwing watered up you know balls of paper at the teacher you shouldn't have like just even said something as a child like yeah 100% there's a reason that so many more hostages were released like prison or prisoners in november because there were so many more of them yes and it was like children like actual children

yes yes i've heard of inside baseball but this is in the first time i've ever heard of inside base i like it i like it i love it i love you but it's such an it is such an antidote the donkey. It is such an anodyne headline. And it takes so long for them to get to. I mean, what should that headline have been? It screams without words, but Palestinian style. I mean, what the fuck else?

It's like the amount of... Screens without words because the electricity in their ass is literally killing them. Killing them. There are no words because they are dead. I mean, you talk about like this, you know, the, you know, they tried to make these claims about the using you know mass rape as a weapon of war

a systemic use of sexualized terror and you see you know this happening on the Israeli side and it's just like the headline is just a long sentence about you know we're going inside the base

it's like what is this MTV Chris? And look at the subheader and look at the subheader they had a chance there. Since Israel invaded Gaza the state Teaman military base has filled it's filled

just somehow these people have flocked to it with blindfolded handcuffed detainees held without charge or legal representation and with electric cattle prods

in their butts yeah this would be the fucking you know this would be the headline you know for if it were they were just in their

kind of like you know chill in like it is the idea that you know they will sensationalize uh totally bogus claims on the Israeli side and then just kind of like you know let's make this fair and you know let's try to take um you know the active voice let's do a journalistic voice for what is happening here you know we're just reporters and we're neutral for hearing about these sex crimes that are being committed against Palestinians who are not even charged with crimes and certainly not convicted of anything. It's just if it were switched, if it were switched, you just, you know, I mean, how many times can

you say that with a shit? If the roles were fucking reversed, do you think you'd be different? Yes, I do. Oh, absolutely. And like, I don't want to lecture anyone, but I do want to remind people because some of my friends, like, have realized this and then canceled their subscriptions. If you use, like, Wordle or Spelling Bee, like, even if you don't have a New York Times subscription anymore, if you have a New York Times game subscription, it is still going to that recording. You don't have to can't, like, I don't want to tell you what to do, but that is something to think about.

Okay, but I really, I really like the crossword puzzle. Because she's the thing, like, if I do the crossword puzzle, is that okay? And, you know, they're like they're, I really like the wedding section. You're like finding out which Long Island socialite married which Upper East Side socialite. Yeah. And then reading the Ovis. Or else am I going to get the social cues where I learn about like the most petty upper glass problems. I mean, I'm just saying.

Oh, I love the real estate section. It's like, what can you do with $10 million? I don't know. I don't know. Die comfortably. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, listen, if you are supporting the New York Times, you are.

supporting the New York Times you are supporting that kind of reporting and you know it's I in general you know I lament the idea that we have so few print you know so much print journalism has fucking gone the way of the dinosaur and then you I mean the onions bringing back the print edition

are they? Yeah yeah they're a subscriber fee of bringing back the print or something oh I love it I love it that's good I mean they've been terrific during this time Yeah. I know. They've been really great. Yeah. And dying Gazans condemned for, or, you know, criticized for not condemning Hamas with their dying breaths. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's just like you see this kind of shit with the New York Times and you wonder like, you know,

how can I continue to play wordal when when this shit is being written? But we can subscribe, right? Because it's, it's part of our, like, our job, we have to be able to read it. Well, I just like, I, I, you know, I steal. someone else's login so is that okay cat yeah i mean that's as a palestinian i give you okay yeah thank you i basically that's basically i want to give you that's the media matters is like we had like all these subscriptions so like i could use like fox nation and look at all the insane fox programming on their streaming channel um and now like i would have to i would have to pay for fox nation and i'm not sure if i'm mentally ready for that yeah i thought you were going to say that

i miss that media matters that people would come up to me and ask for permission to drink soda stream or something like that i mean like to be real i've had some really weird interactions with people just being like oh you're like this guy hit on me the other day when i was at a bar and i was with my friends and we were arguing whether this flag that the band had up there was um a Palestinian or a Mexican flag and it turned out to be like an Irish flag and so we were like in this conversation we were like oh so it's the Palestinian flag we're in this conversation and he comes up and he goes wait are you Palestinian like right after he immediately after he hit on me and I was like yeah and he tried to give me a high five and well that's nice wait I was like how did he did he fail to

give you a high five he held his hand up and I was just like so shocked I was like I don't really know how to handle this I was like I guess and then he immediately realized what he did and he was like I'm sorry that's that's I don't know why I did that I don't know why I did that that is you know I mean, that sounds like a meat cute to me. You know, that's all I'm saying. I do love telling people that they can wear kaffia's, though, because they seem so happy. And they're just, like, reiterating, everyone can wear kaffia. They're so comfortable.

They have so many uses. Like, oh, you're out and about outside, and you need some where to sit. Kofia. Oh, you want to protect your head from the sun. Kofia. When a problem comes along, you, Kofia. Yeah, I like it. Exactly.

Hulter top. Tube top. Tup. Dress, depending on the size. Or if you want to be a slugia. you know yeah i like it i mean listen you could really expand this cat you can turn this you really expand this turn this into a profitable business as a palestinian i give you permission to like a sort of app where yes i could like cat can i order an extra helping of dessert and you say yes as a palestinia and i because at

the moment like you guys have extra moral weight right now for a lot of people you know yeah you know it's um it's pretty sweet i love this i'm glad that this is all happening hey listen you're welcome Listen, we know, I think we on this podcast know a thing or two about the whole ASA industry, all right? You know, that's right. And exploding? We, yeah. A couple of Aza Jews right here. A couple of capos out here trying to turn in our Jewish brethren.

That's what we're here for. We're here to be traitors to our nation. I mean, like, it's a bit weird, though. By the way, if you're not watching the YouTube version, you're missing Matt's striking blue eyes. But like, if you're. So true. I took my glasses off. He took his glasses off.

Like, we're all, like, down the floor. Just amazed. Yeah, it's very sick. Like, if you don't necessarily look what someone thinks, like, a Palestinian should look like, or maybe even, like, what a Jewish should look like. Yes. It's, like, weird, because on one hand, you're like, oh, I don't want to, like, speak over other people that have been, you know, attacked for being, like, visibly, you know, Jewish or Muslim or Palestinian or whatever.

At the same time, I'm like, oh, people realize. Palestinians are human because they see, oh, pretty white girls. So that, oh, wait, she could, she could have been born there. She could have been, oh, now I get it. And like, that's really fucked. Like, when this first happened, I did a tweet thread about like, okay, if you don't know what Gaza is, like, imagine it's Rhode Island. And Massachusetts won't let Rhode Island do anything.

And like, that's how I did it. And like, that connected with people because they were like, oh, I know what Rhode Island is. Yeah. So it's like a very weird thing. I saw that thread that you did, and I thought it was really great because it really gave people the opportunity to, for the first time ever for them, you know, try to put themselves in the shoes of what it's like to be a Ghazan. And you were just like, just imagine Rhode Island was having its entire airline and sea controlled by Massachusetts. And Connecticut also won't let them do anything. Right, right.

And, you know, it was just like, it really put in, like, simple, relatable terms, like, yo, just so you know. And this is context that I think was very important for people because, you know, it was clear that at this point. I think you tweeted that, you know, early in October. At this point, it was considered anti-Semitic to do context for what it is to be a Ghazan. And I thought that that was incredibly helpful. I also very much enjoyed people who were. were just yelling at you for being Hamas after that.

It was, it's very fun. I really like it. I do want to say I'm never mad at someone for like not knowing something. Like we do so much to like make sure people don't know this stuff. And you know when people are like, oh, that's too little or whatever. When like an artist puts out, you know, fucking like watermelon on their Instagram story. I'm like, yeah, but it's something.

And like this is the first time people have cared for more than like a week. And it's insane. And I hate that it's caused, you know, it's, you need this many people. people to die for people to care. But, like, I'm just so grateful. Like, when I went to the GW encampment, it was so cool to see so many people together and, like, you know, wearing a kofia, creating a circle of blankets so Muslim students could pray, sharing food, even with the Zionist counter-protesters that came up, took some of the food from, like, the food tent. Yeah. Because, you know, you got to. Because they love to do that when it comes to anything

Palestinian. Take, take, take, take, take. And we were just like, all right. Um, But yeah, so I just want to say, everyone's great for learning and stuff. I agree completely. Learning is an important part of this podcast as well. I want people to learn that it's actually okay to fucking talk about this shit and make fun of Israel because the idea that making fun of Israel is somehow like off limits. Like, are you fucking kidding me? They're the funniest weirdest people. It's a country of Tommy Waiso's.

like you just they cannot help but like telegraph their deepest darkest id you know what i mean like like everything that they do is just a dead giveaway for what they're about while they're simultaneously trying to tell you they're not about that it's come on how do you not make fun of it it's like not making fun of the room you know what i mean um but before we leave um i want to play a little something. And this is something that I think no one on this podcast right now, including me, was familiar with before producer Adam showed it to me. A very popular TikTok trend has happened in which people are dancing to this song

called Barbara's Rubarb Bar, which is a German song done by a couple of German comedians. And I want to play a little bit of it just for context, because it's important to me that you have the context in order to understand the bit that's going to happen. But first, so are you guys in any way familiar with this song? You know this song? So it's a bunch of... It's a tongue. tongue twisters. They're German tongue twisters. Um, and, uh, the kids are dancing a lot to these videos. It's a lot of fun. And God bless them for it. Um, producer Adam Levin, uh, came up to me

with a proposal. And he said, if I, uh, write some lyrics, can we do a Barbara's Ruper Bar Bar Bar Bar Bar Bar, uh, uh, Hasbara song? And I said, absolutely. And so without further ado, um, listen. is a little bit of Bar-Rubarbara Hasbara edition for everyone to enjoy. Who knows? Have fun. If I got what's the idea of stealing, bras. At least stop feeding us, Hasbara.

All this bad Hasbara from these panty freaks can explain the rub and draws upon the nasty cheeks. You know that Biden paid for Bebe's Merkiva, yet your buddies from your genocide, Oh, Chavarra. Use a Merkava to disappear, buduwar. Hasbara Khadabar. Because it's a shandah to be thumbing to the Utevish.

while BB's bread and bobs are burning clothes off flesh. Barbarist, like Hannah says, you evil and bin al. So I'm clear souvenirs on, not so Baba Hasbah. Your social media will out you as a villain, so keep on smiling while your panty drawer is chilling. The evidence your sycophon is there, and it's glaring. Soon as Shem will put an end to your Hasbara underwear. Yeah.

Shout out. Matt fucking Lieb, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, this is, listen, Adam Levin, big shout out. Shout out to Adam. Adam, he is a masterful lyricist as well. Well, there's too many Jews. Adam wrote that? Yeah, yeah, that is Adam's idea.

Fucking Adam. Yeah, yeah. Adam is, listen, there's too many Jews on this podcast who can do parody songs. I don't understand it. Like, how did we all find each other? I need to step up. I've only done the one. What is it about Jewish rappers named Adam?

They had two of the Beastie Boys. That's true. Two of the Beastie Boys. Really, two of them. Do you think they got confusing? Probably. that's why they name themselves something else you know that's what i love when like two best friends have the same name or like taylor latner and his wife taylor or when he dated taylor swift i love that

taylor latner dated taylor swift yeah and then his current wife is named taylor so and her dad is a tailor yeah we all knows wow that listen this i'm this is all news to me i'm i'm only know who taylor latner is because i watched twilight on my honey because I had COVID. But, you know. That's a great honeymoon, man. It was a great honeymoon. I had COVID.

We had to stay inside for a good bit. But I did. My wife forced me to watch Twilight. Anyways, shout out to all the kids out there dancing to that song. And hey, you know, we're going to put that on TikTok. Maybe people start dancing to the Husbar version. I don't know, man. Fuck it.

And Daniel, you do a parody song Literally every episode You open with one So let's That's true But I don't quite complete it It's a concept You know

It's a little tester It's a little ditty You know It's a little like Yeah If people want to see a full one Go check out the Biden BB

Nothing's gonna stop us now one That's fantastic That you did with Katie Halper It's very good Yeah Katie and I co-wrote the lyrics And some friends did the video But yeah No, we, I mean, yeah, I think it's time to write another song.

At some point, I think the- Gauntlet thrown. Absolutely, we definitely have to see. I think we're going to have to create Bad House Bar the musical, and I'm preemptively sorry to the world for what we're going to do. Oh, my God. This would be amazing. I mean, I'm into it, and our handful of listeners,

they may or may not be into it, but we will subject them to it. A lot of people are going to be angry. yeah yeah i mean you know listen that's the thing about musical theater it's just it sparks a lot of conversations that has broadway i'm trying to make a hamilton joke i can't yeah well listen well there's definitely a hamilton version of hurtzel no but uh you know we'll at some point write that musical but for now I just want to say Kat Abu thank you so much for coming on the podcast

and talking about his bar with us thank you for having me I had so much fun I mean as much as much as you can't talk about genocide yeah yeah and thank you for standing up to the Isabelie army that's right fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I've been sitting on that joke for like an hour and a half

loving lovey fuck oh it's all right I love I think what Daniel I don't know, I not only do, I not only do dad jokes.

I do senile dad jokes. I do dad who's losing his fucking grip jokes. I'm not as young as I used to be, dad jokes. Other favorite things that you do is when you accidentally fuck up your dad joke and you just are going, fuck, fuck. I'm useless. Stupid. I'm so stupid. Like Chris, like Chris Farley.

oh god that's funny cat where can people find you on the internet um there are so many platforms now and they all have different usernames uh subscribe to my youtube channel you can just look up cataboo i think the link is like cat emaboo um i do long form content and short form content on ticot i'm cat emaboo um on all of those you can find my other links i'm on uh twitter threads all the other ones too many yeah all that good shit but yeah yeah well we will put the uh links to your socials and uh whatnot uh in the bio of this episode cat thank you so much you were great thank you so much y'all of course and thank you all out there for being here for me and daniel sitting around talking

about shit um subscribe on patreon patreon patreon dot com slash bad hesbara um also subscribe by YouTube and also on the other shit and uh email us do it that as bad as bar at gmail.com and all right time for a sign up daniel are you ready to redeem yourself do you have one in your back pocket you can do it i i know what word what rhyming word i want to end with i just don't quite know how to get there it's the thing around cat's neck how can we how can we oh okay i got this from the river to the sea I also have myself

a key something like that I don't give him all right thanks for listening or yeah yeah or from the river to the sea fuck your great grandmother's key

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