Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 39: My Brother, My Brother & Lieb, with Aaron Maté

Episode Date: July 11, 2024

Matt and Daniel welcome Most Moral Brother Aaron Maté from The Grey Zone to cover the Ha'aretz Hannibal Directive story, watch Aaron dismantle some hasbara on Piers, and coo over a very cute picture of the young Maté brothers. Plus! Daniel's reeeeeeemix of the Bad Hasbara theme.SEE MATT DO STAND UP AT THE SAN FRANCISCO PUNCHLINE JULY 24-26. Matt will be featuring for the hilarious Helen Hong! Buy tickets here. Will you be in Chicago during the Democratic National Convention? So will I! Me and my wife Francesca Fiorentini have a couple of live shows we are doing! On Monday and Tuesday August 19 and 20, Francesca and I will be doing shows at Lincoln Lodge in Chicago. Monday will be a live Bitchuation Room Podcast with me and some other great guests, and Tuesday will be a live stand up show with us and some friends.August 19th Live Podcast Tickets August 20th Live Stand Up TicketsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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no my god that's just inviting chaos i mean you know people are different they have to live in different states i don't know what i'm saying uh but uh thank you so much for listening we are your hosts uh my name is matt lee i'm daniel matte and thank you once again for listening to us give us five stars in a review on all of the you know podcast apps in which you can listen to podcasts it helps us helps the algorithm helps people discover this podcast because they're not going to discover it any other way I'll tell you that right now it's impossible to discover quick announcements once again I'm going to be at the Lincoln Lodge with my wife Francesca Fiorentini in Chicago August 19th and 20th one will be a live podcast the other will be a live stand-up show also I'm going

to be in san francisco uh wednesday through saturday july 24th through 27th at the punchline and i'm working with a great comedian helen hong and i would love it if people came out there will be links in the bio so please buy your tickets see us both do stand up uh she's getting the top billing i'm featuring yes that's right i have no shame daniel about the fact that i am plugging a featuring set that i'm doing at a club in san francisco this weekend man Mazel Tov. Yeah. Work is work, you know?

Work is work. Sex work is work. Comedy work is probably work. It's close to work. It's not as work as sex work. Sex work is real work. Comedy work is work, in quotes. There's no, I mean, there's no, there's technically no shame in it.

Yeah, I mean, but there is, like, literally it is born out of shame, you know? Producer Adam Levin, with his very first on-screen one, Liner says comedy is more degrading. It really is. I did a comedy show one time where like the conceit was that it was at a strip club and that people could throw money at the comedians if they enjoyed a joke. And I'm not shitting you when they threw the money. I didn't feel gross.

I felt like more of a real comedian than I've ever felt in my life. I was like this is this is actually making money. I'm making money doing stand-up. right now, you know? So just trust me when I say you don't know degradation until you've tried to do five minutes at a bar. My God, I can't even imagine. I mean, I've thought about it. You know, you know, you know, you and I've talked about it. Like if, like could I come up and do like a hard one, you know, before your, you could do the tightest one. The tightest, hardest one. But I would really want my comedy to be penetrating, you know. Yeah, yeah. You want it to be hard and penetrating and

really go deep is the thing that's how comedy should be exactly yeah until i really just hit the wall you know yeah it's cummy because it's true i don't know i did my best there sometimes i do puns they're mostly about cum just deal with it oh well deal with it uh so we have a fantastic guest today uh our guest is um hold can i do this one oh yeah please thank you because i figure you know i this is something you should introduce this guest as you've known this this gets longer than I've known this guest. I've known them a while. I've known them a while, you know.

And look, folks, nepotism is a thing. And, you know, I've been in this podcast game, this news commentary game, you know, for quite a while here, you know? Sure. Like a good six months. Yeah. And it's just really my pleasure to be able to, you know, kind of lend a hand and lift up. a new voice on the scene. My brother, the award-winning journalist who's been at this for way longer than me.

Aaron Matte, independent journalist from the Grey Zone, is the award winner and many other things. Aaron, welcome to Bad Hasbarra. Welcome. It's great to be here, guys. I have not hit number 26 on the news podcast charts. So you are doing me a favor by bringing me on. So it's great to be in your company. Yeah.

See, that's, you know, that's the kind of charity. we do here on Bad Hasbar, we lift up, you know, we give voice to the voiceless, of which you are absolutely not, because you have been, I think, one of the strongest voices in the last eight months, and sure longer than that as well. But in terms of this recent genocide that's been happening in Gaza, not only have you been strong, but you have been someone who has scooped stories way, way ahead of sort of the general, like, I would, what I would call, like, the mainstream press. Whether or not you get the credit for it.

Yeah, yeah. Credit be damned. And I wanted to ask you about that, because, you know, you've obviously, you know, talked about Hannibal, the Hannibal Directorate before other people were talking. Your Outlick Grayzone was talking about it. My question is, now that Haaretz in Israel has covered that Israel actually did use the Hannibal Directive, like isn't it anti-Semitic to have been correct about this the whole time? Like when you find out that, oh, you were right, is there like part of you that's like, damn,

I'm just a big Jew hater. Trit, it really is a first-past-the-post proposition, you know. Absolutely. Whoever gets to the truth about what Israel did first is the biggest Jew-hater. What do you say to that, Aaron? What do you say to that? Well, listen, you know, one new irony of this was pointed out by my colleague, Max Blumenthal at the Grey Zone.

And by the way, he's the one who's done the work on this. When it comes to Hannibal, and when it comes to the Hamas sexual violence hoax, which is what it was. Screams without facts. Yeah. Him along with Ali Abanima of the electronic antifada, I really have been the ones doing the work, which I've just kind of clung on to. But Max pointed out that, you know, with this new confirmation that Israel enacted the Hannibal Directive on October 7th, which means Israel deliberately killed and knowingly killed

its own people to prevent them from being taken captive into Gaza, and given the Biden administration has supported Israel to the help, this makes the Biden administration now complicit in what it's called repeatedly the deadliest day for jews since the holocaust right that's been the line ever since october seven does the deadliest day for jesus since the holocaust well given the bide administration's full-throated support for israel including before october 7th this makes the bide administration complicit in that and it's just one more aspect of this story and it's incredible you know nine months after this one day which has become you know its own you know its own event october 7th we hear it ad nauseum every single day

not every single day for Palestine since then is just sort of lost in the um those are just days with other numbers man exactly yeah like that's the fog of war but october 7th is an event but but this is confirmation what was apparent from the start saying try saying november 12th it just doesn't it doesn't have the ring december 16th what the fuck are you talking about when i've literally never heard of it jenn i'm already bored yeah now you see you see i'm already bored yeah now you say that like obviously it's like what is that line what is that movie where the guy says it is a good

day to die oh I don't know but that sounds great yeah but the Gaza version of that I would see the shit out of that every day since October 7th it is a bad day to die if you want a movie quote I pretty much can only do orcs from Lord of the Rings you know it's like meets back on the menu boys I can do that I'll just say that randomly throughout But you talk about the Biden administration's, like, full-throated condemnation of everything that happened on October 7th, you know, the biggest anti-Semitic attack and whatnot.

But my question is, like, since when is it anti-Semitic for the state to kill Jews? Is that ever been anti-Semitic? For the state to kill Jews? Yeah. I mean, like, sometimes the state kills the Jews. Yeah, it's just part of it. We've been waiting 2,000 years for our own state, our own agency to decide when and by whom and on what ground we will be killed. We will do the job of exterminating ourselves, thank you.

Stop taking away our agency. How come Israel is the only country that's not allowed to kill Jews, huh? Every other country has done it. And all of a sudden, Israel does it. You know, it's kind of anti-Semitic for you not to let Israel kill Jews. This is why you guys are number 26 on the podcast charts. I hadn't considered this angle. You're right.

I have to check my own anti-Semitism, I guess. Yeah, maybe I am a self-hating Jew. Yeah, self-hating Jews galore here. But it speaks to how much Israel just hates Palestinians and doesn't want to be in a situation where they'd have to actually enter into negotiations with Hamas to exchange hostages because there are thousands of them held for many years inside Israeli prisons and dungeons

under horrible conditions, as we've seen with so many of the images of Palestinians that have been lucky enough to be freed, survived Israeli president since October 7th, how they look when they come out, emaciated, ravaged, severely abused. And Israel hates the prospect of a negotiation to free Palestinian hostages so much that they're willing to kill their own people, which is the explicit mandate of the Hannibal directive. That's why it was drafted to begin with. And they put it, as we learned from this Haratardt,

which is significant because there are new details we didn't know before. So, for example, one Israeli military source testifies that the order was to turn that southern area, that boundary area between Israel and Gaza, into a killing zone. And then the question becomes, you know, given the order, given the fact that we're talking about one of the most powerful armies in the world using tanks, Apache helicopters, how many of their own people did they kill? Oh, fuck. I just realized something, guys.

This is bad. This is going to be really bad. Oh, no. It has to happen, though. We're going to have to do a Kenny Loggins parody. Oh, no. You know what I'm saying? Explain, please.

Right into the killing zone. Oh, God. I should have known. With the Giorgio Marauder instrumentation. Yeah, I'm going to have to do it. I'm going to have to do it. We have no choice in this, Aaron. Aaron grew up with me.

Aaron knows that it works. I get an idea for a song. When you found out that Daniel was, going to start doing this comedy podcast about Israeli propaganda, was there a part of you that was like, oh, dear God. My only concern, Matt, was that you'd be shifted over from the news category to the hip-hop category. Yeah, given the sheer number of hip-hop references that Daniel produces per show. Yes. Yeah, like per sentence. Yeah, exactly.

Daniel at this point is, I would say, 50% hip-hop references. The other 50% is quotes from Ghostbusters that I vaguely remember. you know some people would say that i am hip-hop i'm not i'm not saying that but some some people some people would might say that i bet there's someone out there's what is your top ghostbusters reference daniel i i i've missed them do the thing with with the mayor peck was that his name walter peck yes yes yes he does i'm gonna get him a nice fruit basket you love that scene yeah but i i mean i went deep with uh the egon spengler herci bar thing of or whatever that candy bar is where near the beginning of the movie

Venkman's like, I'm going to give you this, you've earned it. I mean, it just, I don't do it on purpose. It just pops out of it. I understand. I think one of the reasons that I started doing this, why I wanted you on this podcast permanently, Daniel, was because you remind

me a lot of my dad in this sense. My dad quotes Ghostbusters pretty regularly, but it's only when he's talking about the stay puff marshmallow man. That's all he does. He'll just randomly call me and be like he's a sailor he's in New York we get this guy laid

well it won't be any problem and then there's a long pause and he goes Ghostbusters and then he hangs up so well you just let me know if there's anything else I can do to be more like your dad like you can like any ways you want me to treat

you or love me so getting back to serious stuff I want to try to inform the audience as to what exactly the Hannibal Directive is. And Aaron, I want to let you take this because you probably have a more coherent way of putting it than I would.

But first, I have to play a sting. I ate his liver with some father beans and a nice kianti. The Hannibal Directive. So what exactly is it? Do you understand, yeah, can you explain to the audience what it is? It's an operational order in the Israeli military that basically says anyone taking an Israeli captive needs to be eliminated even if that means

eliminating the Israeli because the imperative there is to prevent anyone being captured because, as I said earlier, they don't want to have to negotiate a hostage exchange because Israel knows that it has thousands of Palestinian hostages and it's been a long-time goal of Palestinian resistance fighters to retrieve their own. And so therefore you have the Hannibal director, which says, we'd rather kill our own people than let them be taken alive. Which is, is it kill our people or is it don't worry if you kill our people? Because we're going to talk about an interview you did recently or a panel discussion in which this sort of Picayune kind of point was argued with you. They were saying, no, the order is not kill Israelis.

It's use indiscriminate force and don't lose any sleep if you end up killing Israelis. Yeah. Okay. Which, to be fair, is at least consistent with the way they treat, you know, we're not deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians, but they don't care who they hit. So it is by definition and discriminated. Just a general apathy for the existence and life of humans. That's right. You're right. Well, like the talking point is the same, but the difference is in the case of Palestinians, they do target them, I think.

Right. I think that's clear. And obviously, as was the case here, again, if you're raining down, hellfire missiles on convoys that contain Israelis, you're knowingly targeting Israelis, which is what happened. And it explains, I mean, think about it. I mean, if you look at the photos, we've been able to see the images of the burned out vehicles,

the carnage, do Palestinian resistance fighters with their weapons have the capacity to do that? Certainly, we saw them kill people on videos and there were atrocities, but I mean, nobody doubts that. But in terms of the scenes of mass carnage and burned-out vehicles and all those things, do Palestinian resistance fighters have the capacity for that? And the reason why people like Maxwell-Methal and Ali-Banam have been vindicated

and many others and many Palestinians actually who know Hamas and follow the resistance and its capacities, I've been saying from the start that they don't. And so therefore, logically, some of the carnage, if not the majority, and I don't know what the percentage was, was committed by Israel. And some of the, and some of it also came from testimonies of survivor witnesses, Israelis, who said we were huddled, you know, and the, and the, the militants were, you know, in front of us.

Right. Like they were our human shields, essentially. Right. And the Israeli army was shelling on the Kibbutz residences. Right. As there were being, this is, we discussed this last week, I think it was last week, about the Kibbutz in which there was a home in which a bunch of Israeli, captives were there while the Hamas fighters were negotiating with whomever you negotiate with

and then, you know, to try to get safe passage into Gaza and then just started raining tank fire on them, killing hostages. There was only two survivors, I think, out of 15. The world does not negotiate, it's negotiate, only goyem do it. That's good, Daniel. That's very good. Yes, see, this is why we're number 26 at one time. And think about why we haven't heard those testimonies from establishment U.S. media. I mean, you can read about them in electronic and Dithada and Mando Weiss, the Gray Zone on podcasts like yours. But it's been kept from U.S. audiences so that this propaganda campaign could be run to manufacture support for the actual atrocities going on before our eyes and with our support.

And the second aspect of this is think about the amount of attention paid to this day. I mean, even if all the allegations against Hamas were true, which they're not, even if they were true, why is October 7th seared in our collective memory, but not every single day unfolding ever since? And the reason is because they needed to manufacture claims about October 7th, and you guys have covered the other hoaxes that were perpetrated, dozens of beheaded babies and so forth, which Joe Biden claimed to have seen photographic evidence of that doesn't exist.

They needed to steer that in our memory to manufacture support for mass murder. And the fact that that devotion to manufacturing that support was so extreme in U.S. media, they were willing to suppress testimonies of Israelis who said that we were fired on by Israeli forces. It just shows how committed and complicit the establishment media is in this mass murder campaign. And Hada al-Hara-Rat is an interesting case of a generally liberal Zionist publication that has been essentially cheerly, the basic premises and, if not every aspect of the conduct of this mass murder campaign, but basically, you know, laundering it, saying it's justified and needed, and then handling about certain aspects of it,

and smearing directly by name people like Max, you know, calling him out for being an October 7th denier or whatever, but at the same time having some very good investigative journalism and also published the writings of people like gideon levy who appeared on the panel recently with you and amira has so they're uh they're they're sort of one of these publications it's hard for me to know quite what to make of they've published three articles i believe attacking max blumenthal and calling him a a master manipulator for his claims that israel killed its own people in october 7th and then they go ahead nine months later and published this extensive article corroborating everything he said it's uh um you know but I mean, there's many aspects of this, but it's important to note, you know, Daniel, as you're recognizing, that there is more diversity of opinion when it comes to Israeli atrocities and more criticism of Israeli atrocities and factual documentation of Israel atrocities in an Israeli newspaper, an Israeli liberal newspaper than there is in any U.S. liberal outlet.

Yes. And I just want to bring up this comparison between the Haaret's English and Hebrew versions that can. out the headlines tell two slightly different but important differences, two different stories. This is from Medaknim, which is a new account made by front of the show, Edo, in which which he shows the Haaret's English headline says, IDF ordered Hannibal Directive on October 7 to prevent Hamas taking soldiers captive. And in Hebrew, no vehicle returns to the strip. The IDF apply the Hannibal Directive on soldiers and civilians on October 7th. So it almost seems like in Israel, they have, I guess, more of a tolerance for the idea that, like, yeah, this is something that we just know could happen.

That if we are taken captive by, you know, a Palestinian resistance group, then we might also get killed along with them. Which it's also, sorry to interrupt, it's also a reflection of an understanding inside Israel that manufacturing consent among English-speaking audiences is more important than an Israeli one. Yes, yes. Because especially in the U.S., people have to be denied the truth because they're the ones funding it and paying for it and supplying the weapons. So therefore, there's more of an effort to, I think, keep the reality from people inside the U.S. than there is inside Israel, because that's the decisive constituency who, if they were somehow aware of what is being funded in their name

tax dollars they might object to it but it really is an astonishing commentary on the Israeli psychology I mean that's exactly what I was going to say I guessed you and Katie helper recently had on useful idiots alone Mizrahi had a really fascinating tweet he himself is Israeli and you know he just talked about what is the say about a culture in which you don't even need to hide this people have basically already swallowed the idea that they are yeah not only are their enemies cannon fodder for their rapacious designs of their government. But they themselves can be served up to the engine of occupation, if need be.

And that would be a good death, or at least, eh, what are you going to do? I mean, it's in moments like this that I have the most compassion for Israelis, actually. When I actually contemplate what it must take to get a population to that level and what it does to the person's soul to be that. recruited into what is a death cult it's a suicide uh the whole country is a suicide bomb it's almost like and i'm just coming up with this phrase off the top of my head um like they love death more than they love life and they teach their children and they teach your children to hate death to hate yeah yeah it's a you know i just i just kind of come up with this shit i don't

even know where it comes from Somewhere deep in my brain. But yeah, you know, it also says a lot about their understanding, at least in some aspect, of Western sentiment, knowing that this idea of being cannon fodder for this political project, knowing that the state would it ever be justified in killing you when you're a hostage, like, is really fucking weird to us. Like, they're like, no, no, no, don't put that in there. They'll think that's weird. Because it would be a huge scandal in any other country. Yes, it would be. And I just, I can't imagine a society in which that is just part of it, you know?

And it's, yeah, that what is that if not a death cult? Like, I don't know how to explain it other than, well, they all have an understanding that if they're ever taken hostage, it is good for everyone else if they die. Dear leader has told me that it's our day to go. Yeah. And it's worth interrogating. So what is this psychology behind the Hannibal directive? Why would you be so committed to killing your own people rather than letting them be taken captive and doing exchange? And I think you see the answer in the response to October 7th.

The Israeli's response to October 7th, it's not about self-defense. It's not about protecting itself from future attacks. It's about Israel feeling humiliated as an occupying power because it sees these people in this caged ghetto concentration camp as subhuman as being lesser than. And so they have to be shown their place. And so if the subhumans manage to take one of your own, then you have to treat them as equal

and you have to do an exchange. And when Palestinians take Israeli soldiers captive, they do, you know, they get hundreds of people in return or dozens of return for one soldier because there's so many, many Palestinian and Israeli prisons. And it's supply and demand. It's just modern economics. So it's the mentality of an occupier who is seeking to enforce their own supremacy.

And that's why going back to the beginning of the Israeli state, Israeli leaders talking about that, as Ariel Sharon said, a former Israeli prime minister, he said in 1967, our main weapon is their fear of us. Yeah. Right? And that's what Israel constantly has to protect is the, you know, fear of the subhuman and Norman Finkelstein will compare it to the Nazi mentality how the what's the term the the intermention right and that is what Israel is trying to enforce and invoking the

Hannibal directive so much so that it's willing to kill its own people it's nuts it's just uh in Auschwitz we went like lambs to the slaughter but in the killing zone we went like i don't know lemmings to the cliff or something like that we went like some other we went like or i don't know what's an animal that eats its own, you know? Oh, I mean, my hamster one time made all its babies because we tried to pet them. Yeah, so this time we went like hamster babies to the hamster mama, like hippies to Bonnarut. There we go. Adam Levin.

It's such a sick state. You know, Daniel, you met, you know, we used to interact with Israelis at our summer camp we went to our Zionist summer camp, our leftist summer camp that we went to, where we had the same views that we still hold now. but somehow we did that every year, and it was a good time. But remember, Israelis were there. I can't, let's just correct you on that. I can't take full credit for having the same views then.

I was fully influenced there. My views were totally moderated. I suspected it was all bullshit, but I was also very much under the sway of it. So I'm still unlearning shit from there. So I wish I'd known more. But anyway, you were saying. Well, we used to interact with Israelis there, and they were kind of, you know, they were goofy.

they were fun and I never saw Israel even though I saw Israel back then always as an occupier as a colonizer I didn't fully get what a fundamentally sick society it is and maybe that's a result of changes

it wasn't always this way you know I've spent time there I always disagreed with people but I didn't I didn't have the sense and I'm not sure if that's ignorance back then or just a shift in Israel in the period since it's just a fundamentally sick society. Well, I think the thing about six societies is that just because a

society is sick doesn't mean that every single person has every part of that sickness infecting their entire personality. These sicknesses are latent. They're in the DNA of a culture. They metastasize. They express themselves at different times under stress. And I'd always seen it somewhere in the Israeli psyche. You could see it in certain moments, a certain kind of hysterical you don't understand because you don't live there. And I saw it, we'll see a clip later where someone tried to do that to you. Just these little moments where a kind of psychotic defensiveness or aggressive supremacy would come out of someone who otherwise seemed like a nice, tolerant, liberal person, you know.

And then there are people whom, you know, who seem to be inoculated, you know, not as many as we'd like, but people who have internationalist values and humanist values, people like Gidon Levy and things like that. So I think there's a tendency, especially for people who are just learning about this conflict right now, or this conflict, this fucking crime. And also people who listen to this podcast where the entire point is that we absolutely just mercilessly mock

Israel and Israeli culture and many Israelis. It's a little too easy, though, to be like, oh, Israel's a sick society because all Israelis are sick. It's more like Israelis are sick because they live in a sick society and the sickness doesn't define them as human beings. But we're reaching a terminal point where it's completely consuming the entire country and it's becoming more and more expressed. And we've seen this in societies throughout history and the end is never good. And I'm always trying to, you know, as part of this podcast, trying to steer people away from, I think, what is a natural reaction to be a bigoted piece of shit when it comes to things like this. like where

you want to fall easily into the like can't we just can we just say all Jews are bad like there's people out there who you know I I desperately am trying to reach in terms of like I see

that their you know their empathy exists and the problem is is they just don't see anything at least in corporate or mainstream media that tells them that there are Jews and there are Zionists and these are not necessarily the same thing

and that Zionism and Judaism are distinct from each other in multiple different key ways and I just you know we do our best to make people not flatten all Israelis and all Jews and whatnot but yeah when a society is sick like that that's what happens you get you know whatever it is 90% supporting the right now genocide of Gaza or whatever that poll number is.

Yeah, I'd say I'd say hate the virus, not the body, hate the parasite, not the host. Don't hate the player, hate the game. And Zionism is the game, Zionism is the virus, Zionism is the parasite. Yes. And at a certain point, you know, in the zombie movie, your best friend, there's no best friend left. They're just zombie. You've got to take that baseball bat to their cranium. but we're living in a human reality, you know what I'm saying?

So just folks try to keep your head about you. And if you're the kind of person who's posting things like, wow, Matt and Daniel and Aaron, I was about to go join the Ku Klux Klan. But then I saw the three, like I literally had to respond to someone on Twitter. I'm like, you shouldn't need three counter examples to stop you from hating all of a particular race. If you're inclined to hate all of a particular race, seek help. And it's got nothing to do with Palestinian solidarity. Right.

And if it's like if you right now feel the urge to be pedantic about race, ethnicity, culture, and religion, stop yourself for a fucking second. And just be like, group of people, hating all of them bad. Don't do that. It doesn't usually go well. Don't be clan curious. Yes, exactly. Don't be clan curious. LGBTQK.

Okay. But before we break, are there any other weapons we can use on zombies? Good question. I was just playing the roguelite dead cells on my Nintendo Switch, and I was using a spite sword and a symmetrical lance on some of the festring zombies. Did you say spite sword? The spite sword, you get critical hits for eight seconds after you take damage. Spite, huh?

I got a lot of that. I can make a fucking spite sword right now. But before we go on making our spiteswords, let's take a little bit of a break and hear about what kind of products are out there that you might want to purchase with your hard-earned money. Once again, if any of these ads are on the BDS list, don't buy them. In fact, feel free not to buy any of the things that are about to be advertised. These are programmatic ads. I don't know what the fuck they're selling. But consider them.

Yeah. BDSM list, okay. That's fine. All right. Taking a break. We'll be right back. And we're back. This is Bad Hasbara.

We are here talking with Aaron Mate. It's Daniel Mateh, Aaron Mate. And if you're reading the screen, Maté Lieb. I just saw that. Got to get all right. Mattes. Yeah. I actually, I brought some photographic evidence.

The podcast listeners will have to imagine it. But it's really cute. This is the time of Aaron I's earliest collaborations. Oh my gosh. That is so cute. For those of you who can't see and are listening, it's young Aaron and Daniel 6.9ing, which is something we do.

No, we call it 67ing in honor of the year that people became complete again. Yeah, we finally took control. And we put on Yerushalayim Shal Zahab in the background and invite the whole family, and we call it the aristocrats. Hey! All right. So, let's talk about what went on with the little program known as Peers Morgan. Daniel, you want to intro this?

You want to talk about it? Yeah, Aaron being the second Mate to appear on the Pierce Morgan show. Our father, Gabor, was on a few months ago, and it was a notable event because Peers actually let him talk. I can't say he really did the same for you, Aaron, but you acquitted yourself very well. You were on a panel, you were one of four panelists. It was you and the aforementioned Gidon Levy. And then we had two fellows.

One was, I think, a settler rabbi. And another guy was a former IDF spokesperson, who I thought looked familiar. and then we found out after the fact why he looked so familiar why did this guy look so familiar this former idea of spokesperson was the guy who went into Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza

after his only forces raided it and produced those stage videos claiming to find Hamas weapons caches and you could tell because the videos were edited and the fact that the weapons caches that they supposedly discovered changed in size and the number of guns

inside them that this was a scam as pretty much every other Israeli claim is. And this was the lead propagandist in that who was taking viewers on a tour of Al-Shifa Hospital. Of course, his lies were used in corporate U.S. media. And, you know, I didn't have time before the show to look up who the panelists were. Even though during the show, they kept telling me to read Wikipedia for some reason. Like, read my Wikipedia. So I didn't read their Wikipedia. I didn't have time. And so I didn't know who I didn't put it together. And had I done so, I would have treated him with far more contempt because, you know, I just knew him as being introduced as a former idea of spokesperson, which deserves contempt in itself, but then to know specifically that he was involved in

laundering lies that were used to build public support for attacking Gaza's largest hospital and destroy it. That's a new layer of contempt that he deserved. And I'm sorry that I missed that opportunity. Yeah. Wasn't he the guy who was there with the like the, what was alleged to be basically Hamas's terror schedule? Like he's basically claiming that this thing on the while says Tuesday, 9 a.m. Ahmed, go terrorize some Jews. 10.30 a.m. Ibrahim is on the rape shift. But actually, it was just the days of the week. And there was a bag of weapons by the MRI machine and this was, you know, but then the number of weapons in the bag changed if you compared the videos. Also, he showed a laptop showing supposedly Hamas keeping photos of the

hostages. But then it turned out the photo was just an old one from a news report. Yeah. So it was just such sloppy propaganda. So here's a little bit of purpose. Yeah, here's a little bit of this guy. Uh, I don't know. How do you pronounce his name? Conricus? Yeah, he's Swedish Israeli. Oh, fun. Oh, fun. Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan from the IDF here. I am in the Shifa hospital. As you can see from the sign behind me. And as you can clearly see from the building. That says McDonald's, sir. One shot, no editing of all of the evidence that we have found just now in this building of the Sheafel. Now, it was later revealed this was not one shot, and they absolutely did edit this video, which I absolutely love. I love that they completely made this up. This is his Copa entrance from Goodfellas.

Directed by Scorsese. There's Benny the Brick. Mickey two lies. All right. Here we're here we'll show a few examples. Security cameras have been obstructed. It's him pointing at different things and offering them as evidence. You'll see the rest of them here. Follow me as we go in and we will see the MRI center. We found a backpack with what appears to be very important intelligence, including a laptop. And we'll show you that momentarily. Might they have stolen it from one of the Israeli bases that you guys left unattended?

on October 7? Yeah. Now, Aaron, correct me if I'm wrong, but these go bags that were discovered, is it go fuck yourself bag, Adam Wright, did these, were these real? They were not real and it was such a transparent scam that even outlets like the BBC, which normally laundered loyalized, had to acknowledge that there was, that it was false because they compared videos showing that the number of guns and inside these bags change depending on the shot.

And so even this guy was such a bad propagandist that even other propagandists like the BBC had to call him out. And by the way, his last name is Conricus. So the key syllable there is Khan, Khan, Khan. And that's what this guy pulled. Yeah. And I call him Conrictus. And we have a bit of video from the BBC actually, you know, debunking this.

which is, again, crazy because the BBC is not really known for not being Israeli stenographers. We don't want to do this. We don't want to do this, but we just had to hear. You leave us no choice with this shit. And so I'm going to play just a little bit of that for everyone here. But having been inside Al-Sheifer since early Wednesday, Israel's yet to produce evidence of the tunnels. It has allowed the BBC and Fox News to film at the hospital, though only locations of Israel's choice.

This is what they found. Israel also released its own seven-minute video, which BBC verify as analyzed. A watch, visible in that video, suggests it was filmed a few hours before the BBC arrived. Smart. IDF video was posted, then deleted, then reposted. This time, without a section referring to an Israeli soldier who'd been held hostage. I don't know when this was used the last time. Also in the video, we see a room with an MRI machine.

And if you zoom in and we get some light over here, what you'll be able to see are is military equipment. The BBC was shown the same room. Fucking McNulty in season five. Yeah, I know. Just fucking with the crime scene. Just, you know, getting the dentures out. Trying to get money from city.

Like them trying to get money. from Karketti is Israel trying to get money from Biden, which is crazy. You don't actually even have to pull all this fucking nonsense. There's so much hoaxing that is happening. It's like unforced error after unforced error. You're going to get the money.

Precisely match. For example, there's one gun in the IDF video, two by the time of the BBC footage. Add more guns. The BBC is coming. Put more guns there. This is because more weaponry and terrorist assets were discovered throughout the day. I'm just imagining Bunk Moreland being like, whatever you're doing, I'm out. I don't want to be part of this shit.

Yeah. And listen, you know, we're laughing at this and there's so much to laugh that because... Sure. And you guys do it so well. But we just have to take a moment, I think, to grasp the inhumanity of this. I mean, we're talking about God's largest hospital. We're talking about a hospital. And Ghazans are so proud of their medical system because under the worst conditions,

they built up this incredible health care infrastructure. They've educated so many people. Gossans are so proud of that. And just with this one hoax, Israelis are putting out the scam to justify destroying all of it. And think of all the people this hospital is treated, all the people it would have treated had it not been made inoperable by these savage invaders. So, I love the comedy. And there is, how can you not laugh at this guy and these people? But just the crime that we're witnessing, it's unspeakable. And there's so many crimes by Israel that even this one, even destroying Al Shifa and other hospitals too, it happens.

And then it just passes into the, and it gets lost in the new cycle of the next atrocity. It all becomes routine. It's become so normalized. But imagine this happening to even one hospital anywhere that we live, you know, it's unspeakable. Yet Israel did this over and over. over yeah yeah well thanks for thanks for bringing the sober uh view of it because it's it can be easy to get lost in the um the insanity it's so crazy well but also the pure all giggles of a podcast like this but yeah the insanity and and and part of israel's you know we've heard of shock and awe

but this is something else this is like overwhelm you with bullshit and nonsense and render reality and an objective sense of truth completely but just post-modernize your ass to the point where everything, nothing really is real and then we lose sight of the very real, very unfunny, very unspeakable human horror that ensues from every single one of these lies.

You're right. Yeah, but I just wanted to... You're happy now, bitch, you're happy. And then Bunk says you're happy now, bitch. give us some more we need a little bit more you want more you want more we need about three three or four more okay well let's let's get all of them through and just feel happy now bitch happy now bitch happy now bitch happy now you bitch happy now you bitch uh yes but you were in this um i don't want to call it a debate it is a peers morgan panel show which means it is just kind of a gang

bang in which for the most part it seems like what they do is they have one person with an opposing view to whatever the status quo is and then a bunch of fascist chuds ganging up on them in this case you at least had a gideon levy with you which is which is nice of peers oops and they ended up titling their YouTube video with your name in it right they're like they took a quote from and they were like Gaza debate featuring Aaron Mate Nice Well

It was like Harold Harold and the Or Howard Melvin in the Blue Notes featuring Teddy Pendergrass I was going to say that Daniel Yeah That's what I was going to say

But We have a Supercut of Conrichus That Daniel made Well because Because you know We're going to get to the part

where you got to speak, but he had a lengthy opening answer, and I don't want to, because we're going to focus on what you said, but we do want to just give credit, or at least, you know, let him speak in his own words. I had to condense it because it was about 10 minutes of him just talking. Yeah. But let's just, let's just see what it sounds like. I got it down to about a minute, so. Okay, great. So this is his point. I'm joined by Jonathan Gomrickers. He's a former IDF lieutenant colonel, an international spokesman. He looks like if Chris Christie and Biff from, sorry.

He looks like if Chris Christie and Biff from back to the future, fucked. The most chaotic day in Israeli history. The events, the horrible events of October, the 7th, the massacre and the killing of Israeli civilians. Palestinian death squads were roaming around southern Israel as they were finished raping and burning and pillaging. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But let's not go astray from what really happened on that day.

Well, I say the sky's a limit. And to me, that's really true. But my friend, you see nothing just waiting until I get through because I'm bad, bad. Come on, come on. And of course, BDSers, Hamas, Apollah. Israel haters and other Iranian propagandists, they will go and they will pounce this with great joy. Bad, bad, really, really bad. You know I'm bad, you know it, you know. Brett, really bad, really bad.

You know, I'm bad. Come on, come on, you know it, bad, bad, really, really bad. And no BDS journalist. And no, uh, self-appointed Israel experts, or... ...safeiting Jews that we might hear from afterwards. ...tau'll ever be able to convince anybody that this wasn't Hamas is doing and that a substantial amount of Israelis were sealed by Friendly Fire and not by Hamas Dead Squad. There is overwhelming evidence.

Okay. And the whole world has the answer just right. Just tell you once again, who's bad? Fantastic. Very good, true. In the sped up edit, people might have missed it, but he sort of lays the seeds. Like, he knows he's going to have to wrap up. He knows that he's going to, Pierce is going to throw to you next.

And he's like, no matter what Iranian spokespeople or BDS supporters or self-appointed Israel experts or self-hating Jews whom we might hear from next this is how your hand this is how your hand did the torch Israel is a very preemptive approach right so in 1967 for example they claimed they had to just attack Egypt

first because Egypt was about to launch a massive war and then accidentally it just happened to wind up with all this coveted territory they wanted forever the Sinai the West Bank Gaza of the Golden Heights it was a mistake but they had to launch the war because Egypt was going to attack him, which of course is a, is a lie.

And so in this case, he had to call me a self-hating Jew and a BDS supporter before I even got to speak. I love to do a preemptive strike on. Exactly. That's a preemptive character assassination. But in fairness, look, he wanted to get it at all because he didn't want to have to interrupt you once you did start talking. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Let's see what happened. Yeah. But just no, no, Daniel, so you condensed very effectively a 10-minute long rant from him into one minute. So he spoke for 10 minutes. I didn't interrupt him once. and then he did not return that courtesy to me when I began to speak.

Oh, okay. Here's one clip from you didn't agree to a ceasefire. Get your history straight from afar. You don't even know history because you don't know it. You don't leave here. You never were in a bomb shelter from a Hizbalah Rocker. Why it's Israelis that need to be reeducated and de-radicalized. And an Israeli who supports mass murder and apologizes for it should be rich.

the history that you read in Wikipedia. Get your numbers trade around. Israel later in 1982 and killed tens of, and after then is when his Ebola was formed. That's fact. Now, I didn't, now, please, I'm going to finish this thought. If Israel wants genuine peace and security, it can agree to the entire international consensus

which everybody except for Israel and the U.S. supports. That's a contiguous Palestinian state, which for Palestinians is a major compromise. Only 22% of their historic homeland is what Palestinians, including Hamas, have previously accepted. Palestinian state and the West Bank in Gaza. Israel, since its founding, has been trying to destroy and crush Palestinian national identity.

That's why Israel has had all these wars, starting in 1948. When, by the time Arab armies invaded, you had Israel already expelling more than half of the Palestinian refugees that were created then. And you can play that playbook over and over and over. That's why Hezbollah exists as to resist Israeli aggression. Hasbullah has said that it will stop its strikes on Israel if Israel simply agrees to a ceasefire. fire. Even Israeli generals are now saying that they want to cease fire. The main obstacle now is Netanyahu and his extremist coalition, which for its own political survival, in complete disregard for Palestinian civilian life as they've made clear. And also, their own captives,

they're the ones wanting to continue this war because they're bent on surviving politically and also leaving Gaza in ruins. Because their ultimate goal is, as these two radical extremist settler apologists have made clear, they want to control Gaza because they do not see Palestinians as equal human beings. And that is the fundamental problem. Let's de-radicalize Israeli apologists like these two, and then we can have peace. That's how you do it. I love it. I love it.

I mean, just talking about the de-radicalization of, you know, I guess the Israeli psyche at this point, the Israeli body politic is something that I don't think I've heard it put that way before, but it is something that I see is completely reasonable to say. Because this is, this is, you hear throughout this entire panel to propagandists essentially for Israel, but to Israelis celebrating settlements in a way that I don't think was accepted as much, at least in the West by people, to have people say publicly. The idea that's like, no, it's good. The only way to peace is to do this. And, you know, when you put it as de-radicalization, I'm like, yeah, this is what needs to happen. Well, and the specific reason why is because throughout this interview, this debate, as they're celebrating the settlement, as they're whitewashing mass murder, they're also calling on Palestinians to be deradicalized. Yes. So I was simply just holding up a mirror to themselves. Everything they describe about Palestinians is, in fact, a projection of themselves.

It's a projection of Zionism. And so that's why I said to have peace, you know, people like them, have to be de-radicalized. And the reason I brought up 1948 is because they had invoked that before, along with all these other talking points that are familiar to Israeli has brought. And by the way, that was the longest stretch of time, which I was not

interrupted right there. Because previously, when I was trying to explain the Hannibal Directive and what happened on October 7th and what was disclosed in Haret's and newly confirmed about turning southern, that southern area, the boundary area with Gaza into a killing zone, the former IDF spokesperson repeatedly

interrupted me. And And questioning my critics, yeah. Yeah, yeah, questioning you, you know, calling you a propagandist, which is just so, it's like, we've seen your propaganda now. Yeah, it's, it's, it's just every accusation being a confession is so, at this point, it's hack to say, but it is so real. And then speaking of hacks, peers coming. I mean, this guy's basically Jerry Springer, if Jerry Springer went to a boarding school in England, you know, and I had this image of Pierce Morgan being like the second dumbest kid in his class and shamed by the teacher. And his only recourse was to make fun of the dumbest kid

or the ugliest kid or the poorest kid for the pleasure of the kids who would otherwise torment him. He's just not that bright. And he doesn't, he doesn't moderate. He just wants a fucking free-for-all. And then he comes in occasionally, meekly, and says, okay, no, ad homonyms, no ad hominems, you know? Well, for you to call that guy a propagandist is not an hominem, it's a job description. No, yeah, that is literally his job. It's the crazy thing about it. It's someone who's literally done and is currently doing propaganda. And this is the funniest thing about, like, them talking about anyone else doing propaganda when Israelis accuse you or us or, you know, anyone who speaks out as a critic of Israel of propaganda,

they're always saying we're doing Hamas propaganda. And I've yet to see the Hamas propaganda, like, logo on anything or the writer's room. You know what I mean? Like, I just, I'm trying to imagine there's still a room somewhere in Gaza in which Hamas is just, you know, pitching ideas for new propaganda angles. And yet we see these people, yeah, Hamas was not a WGA signatory. But yeah, we see this accusation levied over and over again about anyone who speaks out as a critic of Israel. And yet we openly and happily allow Israeli propagandists all over our television sets and in our social media and any kind of media outlet there is.

It's fucking nuts. Let me say, though, about Pierce Morgan, I do appreciate him having me on and creating space for dissenting voices that are not available elsewhere. And, you know, look, I'm a big boy. If Pierce doesn't want to moderate, I'm fine to yell back at that Israeli hack and, you know, remind him who he is. It's not ideal. I do think there should be more moderation and more consistent standards. So, you know, I didn't interrupt this guy. He shouldn't be able to interrupt me.

But so be it. You know, we had our exchanges. There were some moments of comedy or levity as a result of it. And that kind of debate is not happening pretty much anywhere. else at that level of a corporate media. And this folks is a beautiful microcosm of the relative emotional maturity of the Mattei boys. That's right.

You guys, I just want to get pissy, insult the guy. But Pierce Morgan and associates, I'm only speaking for myself. My views do not represent those of the rest of Mattei Corp. Yeah, but I mean, listen, we can all say, I think, openly here, you know, Pierce Morgan is a bitch. But that's my opinion on him. But there were some great moments in which you were talking to someone, the other panelist, who's not Gideon Levy, was a settler rabbi or some shit. And you just started just jabbing at him, reminding him that he is a settler.

And I just have some of that. Why has there been a spike now in new settlements on the West Bank? How is this defensible? It's not only as it defensible, it's the only way forward. The only way forward is for the Jewish people to live in their land, to push back on the Palestinian authority and the Hamas and those entities, to assert sovereignty. Hold on, I'm not American. I was born in Israel.

My parents were Russian refusiness. Read the frickin Wikipedia. For God's sakes, I served in the army here and I just came. This is twice now that people are like, you don't even read Wikipedia. Adam says Wikipedia.org slash dork Don't back to the

You're a Russian Please do me a favorite I apologize I was born in Skype I speak Hebrew and English You can do with this land You have nothing to do with this place Keep saying

Correct I'm nothing to do with math murder and a hard time Go back to Canada and your little books behind you You have nothing to do with this region Hey excuse me Excuse me

Excuse me Right to the viewers right of Aaron's head There is a red, thick, fat-ass book. That is not a little book. Yeah. That is a 501-page book.

Hold it up there, Aaron. Excellent. Very good. Are we doing a book plug right now? Sorry. We didn't pay for this ad, Daniel. You didn't pay for this ad. The Myth of Normal, Gabor and Daniel Mate.

Check it out at your local bookstore. Little book, my ass. No, I love him yelling at you. will you sit there with your fucking books and you're just like yes i do i do read books yes he's he's yeah that's that's a burn in settler little books behind you you have nothing to do with this region you don't speak the languages of this region you're not from here you never served here i spoke to you're not from there either you're not from here i was born in chifa israel my parents are my parents fought to come to this

land from the russian soviet regime and you are just a canadian sitting out there sniping with your little understandings of things. Go back and read another lot more common ethnically than you do with anybody from that land. Do me a favor, I am an ethnic Jewish person, which is a Judean from this land. Well said. DNA is the Arabs.

Almost the same same way. Oh, beautiful. I mean, just like, if you're going to be on peers, you know, it's like at some point you just kind of, you got to just start slinging shit at these monsters. You know, this guy is sitting there telling you not only are settlements good, but they are necessary for the, you know, safety of Israel.

Like, this is a person who is openly pro-apartheid. You can't. And the entitlement, like, the entitlement, like, he's, you know, his family emigrates from Russia. He sits on stolen Palestinian land, not like even 1948 Palestine, but like, he's not even, he's not living in Haifa. Yeah, no, he's in the occupied West Bank, yes, stealing Palestinian land. And he's telling me that. that I can't even criticize him from afar. So he can come in steal Palestinian land,

but me sitting back with my little books and being from Canada, I can't criticize him from afar. It's so entitled. It's unbelievable. Well, he did read your Wikipedia because your Wikipedia article talks about how you're from Canada and how you're the books.

Yeah, I mean, like the previous IDF guy mocked me for not reading Wikipedia, you know, or like reading Wikipedia wrong. Because actually, you know what has made in the previous clip, His point of contention with me was, I said, Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, and then Hezbollah was created. And he says, no, we also invaded in 1978. Yeah, that's right.

I'm sorry, I didn't acknowledge your other murderous invasions. A previous massacre. Yeah, yeah. But I was talking about the one in which Hezbollah was created, and that was after 1982, because Israel massacred then tens of thousands of people, and Hezbollah formed to resist Israeli aggression. You don't know your proud history of the other times we invaded sovereign nations. He's like a hip hop fan You call Roots Do You Want More

Their first album They're like they dropped organics Three years before that Yeah Sorry there you go We knew it's exactly It wasn't three years I don't even know

Put this podcast In the hip hop We gotta put it in there We'll be number 25 Dude We'll be number 25 Yeah It is just like

You know This settler Also goes on To talk about The Hannibal Directive in I think probably I mean I'm sure there's other clips out there in which people have acknowledged it

but this was for me one of the first times I saw like an open acknowledgement of the Henneble Directive not it necessarily being used in the case of October 7th but just generally and the way he talks about it

is interesting because it says a lot about kind of Israeli society that this is something that he's not even kind of holding his head down and going, oh, well, it's necessary. Like, just, I'll play, I'll play the clip for you guys. Yes, we had the Hannibal protocol that could take into effect because we knew what

it would, what would happen if our people would be taken hostage? We'd get birthday cakes. As a card, they would also be tortured and abused and raped and who knows what else. Yeah, so better to just kill them. And so our military has a protocol to stop that at all costs. The worst things that we can allow to happen is the taking of Israeli hostages. I just want to point out, one of the worst things that we can allow to happen, I thought right there it was like, is the killing of our own citizens in order to stop, you know, the hostages. But it's just the taking of hostages.

Taking the hostages is worse than the killing of those people is something he just said out loud to everybody. And once again, we have a case where it's so false that not even the opposite is true. I mean, Aaron, talk to us about the relative conditions of what an Israeli hostage going into Gaza can expect, not that we're saying it's a picnic, but versus what we know documentedly about what it's like to be a Palestinian abducted from your home at any age for any length of time into Israeli torture dungeons. Just look at every single image that's come out of the Israeli hostas that have been freed. They've all been treated pretty well. No one's testified about any sort of torture or similar peace. There was one woman, I should say, who claimed that she was sexually assaulted.

So that's actually the one case where there was a woman who said this. But aside from her, if you look at all the hostas that have been freed, they all look well and they claim to have to been treated well. Compare that to Palestinians who suffer sexual violence in huge numbers, which has been documented. Even by the New York Times. even by the New York Times. Tortured in the most sadistic ways. Israel is a country that openly practices torture.

Unspeakable abuses. And not just to a handful of captives, as was the case in Gaza, where you have that that's a number of people, you know, like it's in the dozens. Thousands of Palestinians being subjected to horrific abuse. So again, that's an act of projection. I have to admit, I actually didn't catch that comment

when it happened live. At that point, I must have been so riled up by the interruptions and the deflections that I spaced out of them. I didn't even catch it. So that's just such a horrific thing to say. Yeah, I mean, it's horrific and it just, again, gives you insight into that type of psyche in which you are not even really thinking twice about how maybe the worst thing your government can do to you is to kill you.

But the worst thing that can happen to you is for you to be taken hostage. And, you know, I'm sure that they would go on to explain, well, that's worse because of the conditions of, you know, being raped and tortured and all the shit that they're, you know, projecting, all the shit that they do to Palestinians. They say, I'm sure they're doing it to Israelis. I wouldn't blame them if they did. But he kind of, he kind of openly is saying that, no, the real issue here is that they would be used as. trading cards for to give something up and it's like that is a commitment to if you want to talk about hostages that's a commitment to hostage keeping that's so much of a commitment that you are actually willing to kill your own people just to stop just to make sure that you get to keep

all of the Palestinian hostage and captives that you've accrued over however many decades And the domination and supremacy and fear of them that Aaron mentioned is the bedrock of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. And it's why, you know, you guys do this, and I do this as well. Those of us who call Zionism a death cult, it's exactly right because you can see it right there. They'd rather kill their own people than treat the people they're occupying as equal. And you can see that on display there. The justifications this guy comes up within his mind. you know when I allow myself to be my most empathetic yeah I still feel sorry for this person

daniels you're talking about earlier you know you have to feel some empathy for these people because how tortured of a mind must you have to be able to come up with these contortions to justify even killing your own people yeah I mean it's a real ailment it's you know uh you can do studies of this and I don't even think we'd fully understand it what it takes to get to that level of humanity it's so sick important caveat our Palestinian listeners are not obligated to feel any empathy for these people. In fact, no one's ever obligated to feel any empathy for anyone. Empathy is something we can recommend.

We can't mandate it. Empathy is for you. Empathy is actually for your own soul. I have a couple of questions for Aaron. Please. You talked about getting riled up. Now, people may not know this if they are just finding out about you, but you really rose to prominence in the independent.

news scene several years ago for your methodical, almost zen-like approach to cutting through bullshit when it came to propagandists peddling the Russiagate hoax, which you were at the very center of exposing as the hoax that it was, which a lot of well-meaning people fell for. And you were given a name, the buzzsaw, by one podcaster. And it was sort of a tribute to your very calm way of being able to cut through bullshit and I always have marveled at it just that you seemingly don't get riled and you've always had a very grounded way of even dealing with the most mendacious people with a topic like this how how do you balance that because clearly you're allowing yourself to feel some feelings here and you can't help it with people like that

on the panel with you. But like, what's that, what's that like for you? What's the balance of, like, keeping a cool head, but also letting your guts, I mean, letting your innards rithe as Backelstein likes to say. My innards were rising in the ads. I love that line. That's one of my favorite lines lines, lines of catchphrases his, is innards. Bernie Sanders, his innards.

But, you know, I start. from the premise of politics there's nothing to do with me so therefore why should i get robbed up about it i'm just here to deliver facts and whatever insight i have to share uh but i guess in this in the case of this issue we're not talking about a conspiracy theory that trump is controlled by vladimir putin is being blackmailed we're talking about uh mass murder and it's very personal because this is being done in the name of my people it's being done in the name of the memory of holocaust you know daniel our father is a survivor of the holocaust so it's personal I'm sorry, breaking this to you out.

Oh, my God, that explains so much. Holy shit. You're like, I thought he died. No. So it's personal. And I have to admit, I do feel a strong contempt for apologists for Israel. I just do. I have all my life because they're so blind.

They're so entitled. And what they're justifying is so horrible. Yeah. I've always felt it. And so I was activated. I was triggered a little bit to use that term during this. Also, because he just interrupted me constantly. He wouldn't stop.

And so eventually you have to push back. So I try to follow, you know, Chomsky is the, is who I really try to emulate because he's so, you know, he's someone I really believe has no ego, none, which probably is not true, but at least publicly, he really comports himself in such a calm way committed to facts. but sometimes you're just faced with such uh such sociopaths like these people right scumbaggery yeah i heard i heard chomsky really flipped out recently he was listening to a podcast called bad hasborough where they started eulogizing him in the middle of an episode because they heard that he died and he just lost his fucking shit and he started talking again for the first time since he spoke the year before it was a miracle yeah no but you're right but even chomsky gets mad sometimes you can see it, but he channels the anger into a kind of like, okay, I'm going in on you now.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for you, Aaron, you know, I feel like you've been, you're almost like used to being attacked on a bunch of different grounds, you know, whether it's Russia Gate or Israel. And I feel like it's, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but when it comes to this subject in particular, there's almost, it's almost hard. to stay in that space of, well, this isn't about me, because in a way it is. Sure. Sure. And so do you think, you know, growing up, you know, you talked about being in

the Zionist summer camp and kind of being apart from it, at least ideologically. What was your experience like growing up with this? And I like it as in comparison to Daniels, because I think, as Daniel was saying, that he felt a little bit more like he's still kind of being deprogrammed, whereas you seem fairly well deprogrammed. You know, a major reason why I was deprogrammed is because one day I came home from Sunday school, like Hebrew Sunday school, which we went to. And I told my dad, Gabor, what I learned about his early history, and he said, you never have to go there again because it was all propaganda.

Wow. And so, you know, yeah. Yeah, and so there was an incentive there already. Is that when they moved from temple? That was before, yeah, exactly. So after that, we changed synagogues, yeah. Because the synagogue we were going to was more conventional. And so, you know, so there was an incentive there, I guess, for me as a young kid, to be on the right side.

Because it meant I could skip Sunday school. But also, you know, it just. On the right side of dad's story. Yeah, and the right side of the weekend, too. Yeah, seriously. But also when we were very young, our dad, went to the occupied territories and witnessed the Israeli repression of the first Antifada. And he gave a radio interview, which we listened to live, and he broke down crying.

And that was just a very powerful moment for me. It was very impactful. I had never heard him cry before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, but also I just, I found it interesting. And then I discovered Chomsky as well and Edward Said. And so all these people informed me. And so it was very easy for me to just not absorb all the Zionist propaganda, while still maintaining the friendships I had. And looking back now, I mean, is it weird that went to a Zionist summer camp? Yeah, it is.

But it happened to be a big part of our family's history. It's not that weird. I mean, I guess like the fact that your father is an open anti-Zionist, I could see why people would think it's weird. And they tolerated less. You know, like my opinion was always tolerated there. I wasn't shunned. shunned and so and that was a different time there was a time back then when the idea of

Israel you know there was this belief that it could still work that there could be two states there was the time of the peace process where people were sold the illusion that there was going to be two states living in peace so there was there was some hope totally naive that all this could work out yeah and you know I'd be interested to talk to um some younger Jews today I do wonder what their experience was growing up, you know, even just like 10 years ago. In terms of being open and honest about your opinions about Israel, because I feel like growing up. Now, I grew up secular, so it's very obviously different for me. And there were definitely people when I was, you know, working at my Jewish summer camp and, you know, people I grew up with who,

when i would mention like hey you know it kind of seems like you know Palestinians are also people there were people who were like what are you talking about and would be like weirded out by me but for the most part I felt like I first heard anti-zionist opinions from other Jewish friends and it was something that jews um that i knew at least discussed in private but amongst each other and it was kind of uh it was heavily debated uh if not out in the open at the very least openly within the community and i feel like that has come to an end or perhaps that uh you know it's now just an entire cone of silence among like the jewish community just because i know so many people

who absolutely have said to me privately um you know before october seventh that israel is an an apartheid state or at the very least that occupation is bad or that Netanyahu is a bad guy or that Israeli society seems to be pretty fascist who are completely silent and yeah so I just I wonder what that's I certainly think the young people get it it's not tolerable anymore it's not cool to be an Israeli government supporter anymore you know when I was a kid I was in the minority but now I know today that it would be the exact opposite among you know progressive Jewish kids in North America. I can't say the same for my generation and above. I was in a group of I was in a group of Jews who work in media. Not worth going to the story about why I was in that

group. Well, because we control it. Well, exactly. I'm just kidding. I had to make that joke. We don't so much work in it as we work it. That's right. And you know, and I met a lot of great people there, you know, progressive, you know, Black Lives Matter people, you know, and but after October 7th, they kicked me out because of the stance that I took. And there are people in the group who objected to that, obviously, but that was the decision. But I don't think for the younger generations that it's anywhere like that anymore. And that gives me a lot of hope. Yeah, I would definitely hope so. I mean, you know, it's, it's scary to think that, you know, the newer generation of at least Jews in the West would be more fascistic than

the previous one, which I don't think is the case. But then, you know, it's just when you see Israeli society and you see how the younger generation just seems so much more right wing. This is the big split, Matt. I mean, Norman Ficklestein 15 years ago wrote a book called Knowing Too Much the Coming Breakup of an American Jewry with Israel or something like that I'm paraphrasing. And his point was just obvious impression that there's just a basic split in values between having to, you know, be a member of that society over there and buy in there versus being an American Jew, which is fundamentally a liberal assimilationist enterprise. And that even though there is still mainstream Zionism, we also have the documentary

Israelism now. We have Jewish Voice for Peace. I wanted to show something, which I just remembered while we were talking, because it actually speaks to how Aaron was ahead of me on a lot of this. When I was at McGill in Montreal, a few years before Aaron got to Montreal, he went to Concordia, I was part of like Israeli-Palestinian dialogue groups. I had just come back from living in Israel for 10 months on our summer camps year program. And, you know, it was like a well-meaning kind of liberal Zionist thing to do to sit down with Palestinians. Oh, there are real Palestinians in the world. They're in my classes. Let's sit down in someone's apartment and like pretend to talk. and it was very exhausting for them

and we felt really good about ourselves. That was the extent of my activism in university. Aaron went to Concordia and became the vice president of the student council and was involved in a very contentious and notorious incident about which there was a National Film Board of Canada documentary made called Discordia.

I just sent you the poster there Matt, if you want to put that up on the screen. There it is, there's my brother. I hate this picture so much. Sorry to do it to Aaron, but it looks great. It's a good film. And the subtitle is when Netanyahu came to Concordia or came to Montreal. And it's about the same guy, Benjamin Netanyahu, coming to Concordia and giving a speech.

And Aaron was on this student council with a Palestinian president. I mean, I don't need to tell the whole story. Aaron, you can talk about it if you want. You don't have to if you don't want to. But the point is, you were right smack dab in the middle of campus politics around this issue. And you were on the radical fringe. You were kind of past the radical fringe of what a Jewish, progressive could be at the time and in the film you go and talk to Shomsky and he mentors you

I love the film how do you feel about it you know oh I was but what's interesting about that is looking back on it now I still succumbed to some of the tribalism yeah and group think of of being in North American Jewish culture because Nanyahu came to speak at our school and we shut it down and I was on board with it but then when I saw the push back and I and just the like there was such a heavy backlash from the media and all these and Hale L was trying to get to you I remember in the film like hello guys are trying to sit you down to be like brother what are you doing exactly yeah and actually some of that actually did you know it's I'm embarrassed about it but it some of it actually did penetrate it did impact me the reason now the superficial reason was I did think that there were we made some tactical errors sure during that year that actually gave that actually were to the benefit of the Zionists and that was the basic but also when I look back on it now, there was a part of me that was still susceptible to that tribalism and that pressure. And that's why I'm still a little bit embarrassed about talking about that time of my life, not just because I don't like the poster of the movie. But at the same time, you know,

it was I learned so much and I learned so much from these brave Palestinian students who organized and staged their own version of an intifada at our school, preventing this war criminal from speaking there and it was beautiful what year was that this is 2002 2002 and uh netanyahu uh was just a politician at this point or was this he'd already been prime minister i mean think about this guy this guy's been around for so long so long and he gets he becomes prime minister in i think 1996 yeah after the assassination of utak rabin which he's largely responsible for yeah which he's largely responsible minister in four different decades it's unbelievable it's fucking crazy yeah it's crazy yeah yeah yeah yeah and i appreciate you revisiting and i i know personal memories of ourselves can make us cringe but

i i think just for me i just remember the admiration i had and i still had because have because in the context of that time you were going way beyond you were in sure the uncharted territory for people like us and you were finding common cause and true solidarity with and you were learning about solidarity not by talking about it or posting about it by like being in the trenches of it and and the slings and arrows of of what that takes you know and yeah and you know what also inform me during that time is in the summer of 2002 so this is we're in the midst of the second intifada at that point i went to palestine i visited the occupied territories i visited gaza i visited gaza and i'd been there before but not to this extent i'd never been at gaza before it's my first time

Gaza. And I'd never felt such rage, such absolute rage. And that rage animated me from that point going forward that, you know, I just, when you can't, when you see it for yourself, the occupation and all of its cruelty and barbarity, you just can't unsee that. And so that certainly guided me back then, too. Yeah. Well, I wanted to also cover this Lancet article. that happened and just kind of get your thoughts on it, Aaron, because it's something that I think a lot of people are talking about, and one of the big talking points is there doesn't seem to be a lot of mainstream media coverage of this. But just to read a little bit, this is from the Lancet, they're basically doing an updated estimate of the deaths in Gaza and finding that it is

very possible that it far exceeds the 37,000 total that is currently, you know, reported. That it's been stuck on for about four months. That's been stuck on for four months now. But, yeah, so this is from the Lancet. By June 19th, 2024, 37,396 people have been killed in the Gaza Strip since the attack by Hamas and the Israeli invasion in October 2023, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, is reported by the UN Office for the coordination of humanitarian affairs. The ministry's figures have been contested by Israeli authorities, although they have been accepted as accurate

by Israeli intelligence services, the UN and the WHO. Armed conflicts have an indirect health implications beyond the direct harm from violence, even if the conflict ends immediately, there will continue to be many indirect deaths in the coming months and years from causes such as reproductive, communicable and non-communicable diseases. The total death toll is expected to be large, given the intensity of this conflict, destroyed health care infrastructure, severe shortages of food, water, and shelter. The population's ability to flee to safe places and the loss of funding to UNRWA, one of the very few humanitarian organizations still active in the Gaza Strip.

And one thing they don't mention is also the sheer uncalculable number of unrecovered and at this point unrecoverable bodies in the rubble because the Gaza health ministry has guidelines that they can only count the bodies they've seen. Yeah, exactly. And identified as well. and whether or not a body is identified, you know, goes on the tally I don't actually know. I think there are two tallies and one is like unidentified body parts, which is just, I mean, monstrous to think of in and of itself. To continue in recent conflicts, such indirect deaths range from three to 15 times the number of direct deaths,

applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 plus 1,000 reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza. And that would be about 7 to 9% of the total population of the Gaza Strip. Um, so that seems bad. What is your reaction, Aaron, to this recent article and kind of the, um, uh, I don't know if you get into the methodology that they used. I'm not someone who fully understands the difference between, uh, an article published in a medical journal and something that is an opinion. I have no idea what I'm reading here. All I seem to be reading is something that has a very nice looking masthead and that people seem to say is a legitimate source.

whether or not it's been peer reviewed, I don't know. So you tell me. As long as it hasn't been peers reviewed. Hey. Bang. Thank you. You're good. All right.

It has not been peer reviewed. But even if it were, look, who knows what the actual toll is? All I know is I've always felt uncomfortable saying the official toll because we always knew it was an undercount. And yet Joe Biden, the same guy who falsely claimed to have seen photos of beheaded babies and burned babies. claimed that he didn't trust the official toll because it's all in his view it's all hamas but really the reason to doubt the official toll is because it's a vast undercount because the

the method of counting bodies in gaza entails actually being able to identify the victim in person i believe so which just makes it which in the context of this ongoing mass murder campaign is just impossible to get an accurate count so the official toll is a vast undercount what the the actual toll is whether this methodology is on point i have no idea um you know there was a famous study in the lancet calculating the number of iraqi children who were killed that turned out to be likely inflated it they said it was hundreds of thousands it was less than what they said it was still like in the tens of thousands but it was less than what they said so who knows but the point is there's no way the official toll is accurate it's far higher and in fact it could be far higher

than even this lancet study estimates we have no way of knowing yeah but it makes sense that after nine months of unending mass murder of Gaza being pulverized with the most advanced weapons in the world, these 2,000 pound bombs. And then the Biden administration said, okay, we're going to fix this by rushing Israel smaller bombs. And then those small bombs end up burning people alive in that tent camp in Rafa, which is what happened recently. There's no way of knowing. But it makes it's totally plausible that the count is even higher than what this Lancet letter says and again

and it speaks to and Norman Finkelstein makes this point it speaks to the reason why the toll is so high is because of civilians is because there's actually

been very little fighting inside Gaza yeah every time Israeli soldiers actually fight engaging ground combat they get killed that's why we have

so many videos from the Al Qasan brigades with the red triangle because when they actually fight they get Hamas very motivated and train Hamas fighters

fighting back and they get killed. So what Israel is doing is bombing this should be the humiliating thing for Israel. I mean, just the rate of they're just getting murked left and right their soldiers when they try to engage. Sure, yeah. So accordingly they're just engaging in bombing from afar which is simply means mass murder.

Just bombing entire blocks, bombing camps. So with that happening every single day for nine months in one of the most densely populated areas of the world, the toll could be even higher than this lancet letter says. Yeah, and just today, the UN, I believe it's a United Nations human rights special procedures, this is their account, said that the UN experts say Israel's intentional and targeted starvation campaign against the Palestinian people as a form of genocide and violence and has now resulted in famine. across Gaza and I'm just going to show this for the people watching at home this is the headline oh let me get to there let's see how do I hold on stop sharing share this tab

instead there we go UN experts declare famine has spread throughout the Gaza strip I mean this is today when we're recording this July 9th 2024 it's two to tried out this death count of 37,000 or within the 30s, you know, 30,000 that it's been stuck at for months. The reason that people do it is so that they can deny it's a genocide because they go, well, come on, you know, the genocide can't be this low. We got to kill a lot more people. Meanwhile, anytime there's any talk of this upcoming famine that has been ramping up for months and months because of Israel's, you know, purposeful stopping of aid trucks and all aid into Gaza, they just deny, oh, you know, it's not yet a famine, so therefore there is

no famine. And it just, you know, it seems to me that no matter what happens in Gaza, when it comes to the death toll, they're going to do everything in their power to make it so that people always will see it as this low number. And to the point at which, even I think we're, did we not pass a bill recently that says we can no longer use the Gaza Health Ministry? That's right. Codifying genocide denial. Yeah.

To help things along Israel's policy now and, you know, the blockade items that will no longer be shipped into Gaza include calculators and advocates. Yeah, no abacus. And it's also, it also explains their policy of blowing off Palestinian hands because you can't. You can't count how many dead if you don't have any fingers. Yeah, it just, it does seem like the number is important to them because they are doing everything in their power to make sure that that count is always low and slow. And, you know, whether or not this Lancet article has been peer reviewed, it just, I think, it makes a point that is just logically correct in that like the indirect deaths from every

kind of possible destruction we've seen of infrastructure civilian and health and economic there's no way that it doesn't have an you know an exponential effect on the health of the population in general like how you would any it would in any other case yes and this war is exceptional yes in so many case you know the 186,000 figure yeah that would represent 8% of the population yeah yeah that's insane in we're in we're approaching that territory yeah we're we're you know like it was undeniable out of words I'm out of jokes it's just yeah it was undeniable earlier if you were someone you know with any common sense and someone who didn't take Israeli propaganda said their word but at some point to deny it is insanity to me and deliberate you know

fuck yeah Aaron you're making me feel things in this episode I do this up this is supposed to be an anesthetic but no it's not in order to feel a little bit better you did talk um about the um you know how humiliating it is Daniel you were saying um that the Israeli soldiers, when they are on the ground in Gaza, they end up getting murked. Oh, great. Now you're going to make it look like Israeli soldiers getting killed cheers me up, which on a certain level,

some part of me it does. No, I'm not saying, you're saying that. But I do have a video of a mouse that fell down the stairs in this side of building in Gaza and the IDF running away from it thinking it's a grenade. And I just want to play it. Okay. That's slapstick enough to make me laugh.

It's a nice slapstick moment. I think we will all enjoy it. And there's the mouse. Now, I enjoy that video because someone called it a chum mouse. And I think, how do you not like it? That's good. Well, I think it's, we're about time to round out the podcast. Daniel, do you want to introduce our last thing?

Yeah, yeah, now that my soul is like seeping out of my anus. That's just where it goes. Other people's soul, sleep out of their ears. Mine seeps out of my mouth, but yours out of your but out of your butthole, I understand it. Yeah, well, so I made a remix of our theme song that I wanted to premiere. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they wanted to premiere on this episode. and there'll be a music video coming but for now this is the lyric video

and you know the theme song obviously which is which Matt did is a brilliant parody of Israel claiming to have invented every good thing and I felt that the other side of the story needed to be told to be a complete Hasbara complete breakfast so yeah this is the Hamas Barra remix of the Bad Hasbara theme song.

Should we sign off and say goodbye to Aaron before we play it? Yeah, let's do that. We will end with that. But just to wrap Aaron up, we want to say, first, Aaron, any final thoughts you want to leave us with? It's great to join you guys. I love your show and I love what you're doing. And so I appreciate you having me on.

And there's one thing I forgot to plug, which is I do a podcast with my friend Katie Halper called Useful Idiots. So check us out at usefulity. It's podcast.com. I meant to plug that earlier. But no, listen, you know, you guys are providing a really vital service in these insane times. And it's important to focus on the craziness

of the Hasbara, which is so normalized in the US. And laughing at it is a great way to live through it and to see through it. So I really appreciate what you guys do. And thanks for having me. Absolutely. Thank you, Aaron. And thank you for what you do.

you know, I've been your brother for a long time. I've been your fan for almost as long. And I had the pleasure of, I had the pleasure of going, well, because, you know, he went through brother shit. But we, we, but just your work is so important. And it's, it's wonderful to have you on the show. And I went on Aaron's show useful at it's the other morning because Katie was out. And you can check that out.

Yeah, Katie's a friend of the show. We hope to have her on at some point as well. And I just want to say to everyone, like, I don't know, I feel called to say it. like people have told us that this podcast is therapeutic for them or cathartic and i'm glad to hear it and i hope it continues to be that and i also want to say sometimes it's not going to be because like there are times when like the pain just wants to bust through and be found like i'm feeling that in this moment and i think it's partly because of erin's gift of earnestness he's you're a funny guy but you also always bring the heart and this is heavy heavy stuff that we talk about every

week, you know? So if it works for you to ease the pain, great. And if it doesn't, you know, sometimes you have to take three Tylenols or sometimes you just have to feel the pain. And I just hope for anyone who isn't in the mood to laugh that you take what we're doing in the spirit, which is offered, which is, it really is, we're just trying to, we're just trying to shine some light. And I'm saying that also in advance of playing this song, which is pretty fucking dark. that that was beautiful and i i thank you uharon for coming on and i thank you you you know uh for the work that you've been doing and for um and for being fearless when it comes to the subject which is not something that uh i think people fully grasp in terms of the

type of risk uh that it is to be someone who will stick your neck out um and question matt listen Matt, listen, I have to say, I appreciate it, but I don't accept the compliment, because what am I doing? I'm just talking in front of my laptop, and I'm writing on my computer, and I'm firing, I'm setting off tweets, I'm writing articles. Sure. You know, in terms of being fearless, it's just, it's just words, and I, you know, the people, like, I'm not trying to be falsely modest, but it doesn't compare, obviously the people really put themselves on the line in Gaza, especially. Of course. For me, I obviously wouldn't, you know, compare to the struggle of anyone, especially on the ground who is there. I mean, the fearlessness right here is graded on a scale.

Got you. But, you know, to me. The point also is we all make our contribution as we can. Yes. And you're making one that only you can make from where you are. And it makes a difference. and there are people who have gifts to give and they're channeling them into

into things that are making advertisements more clever or AI slicker or whatever. So like thank you for, it's just an acknowledgement of the choice you've made. You didn't feel you had the choice, but just, yeah, thanks for who you're doing. I just say, yeah, so finish what I was going to say the guts that it takes actually

to put yourself on the line and try to break down propaganda that is like specifically poison-pilled, like, you know, screams without words or whatnot, you know, or to, like, that is something that it does take some guts. Like, that's chutzpah, to be like, this is something I'm going to take on because this is a narrative that I see them building up, it is deliberately poison-pilled, so that even to question it is to, you know, get yourself in, you know, serious trouble. So, you know, when I...

Until six months later, when it's convenient, and then how everyone can talk about it. Exactly. And I think, like, that does take guts, you know, guts relative to the cushy-ass life that we lead here in the United States. And look, it does help that I really enjoy doing it. I like it. It's, I like debunking stuff and exposing scumbags.

Yeah. You know, at the end of the A team, my favorite show was a kid. Hannibal has asked what the A team's going to do next. What's his name, Aaron? What's his name? Hannibal, yeah, like the Hannibal directive. And he says, there's a lot of slime balls out there. And that's kind of how I see things.

A lot of slime balls out there. And I like to debunk them. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much. And we love it when a podcast comes together. And it would not come together without producer Adam Levin. That's right. So we have to give him huge credit.

Big, big shout out to Adam Levin. Our producer who is now has banner privileges. and is posting funny banners throughout this episode. Bad has banners. Bad has banners. And thank you, Aaron, thank you, Daniel, for your wonderful words. And thank you to all of you out there who continue to listen and support this podcast, bad hasbara at gmail.com for any questions, comments, and concerns.

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