Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 40: Israel [REDACTED] Force, with Greg Stoker

Episode Date: July 18, 2024

Matt and Daniel talk to former US Army Ranger, Co-Host of Colonial Outcasts and State of Play for Mint Press News, Greg Stoker. With the Trump assassination attempt in the rearview; they discuss IDF r...ank inflation, destroying tanks in flip flops, and the Nuseirat camp operation casualties.All Greg's Links: https://linktr.ee/greg.j.stokerSEE MATT DO STAND UP AT THE SAN FRANCISCO PUNCHLINE JULY 24-27. Matt will be featuring for the hilarious Helen Hong! Buy tickets here.Will you be in Chicago during the Democratic National Convention? So will I! Me and my wife Francesca Fiorentini have a couple of live shows we are doing! On Monday and Tuesday August 19 and 20, Francesca and I will be doing shows at Lincoln Lodge in Chicago. Monday will be a live Bitchuation Room Podcast with me and some other great guests, and Tuesday will be a live stand up show with us and some friends.August 19th Live Podcast Tickets August 20th Live Stand Up TicketsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello, hot bitch, We invented the cherry tomato And weighs U.S. USB drives and the iron d'all Israeli salad, oozy, stents, and jopas orange crows Micro chips is us, iPhone cameras us, taco salads us Us, Podaramos us, Olive Garden Us, White Foster Us, Zabrahamas, Asvaras Us Hello and well,
Starting point is 00:00:30 Welcome to Bad Hasbara. The Most Moral podcast on the planet. Fuck. Oh, I got it wrong. I got it wrong. Let me give it to me again. It's the world's most moral. Slower.
Starting point is 00:00:44 Slow down. The world. The world. The world. The world's possessive. Most moral. The world's most moral. Podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:56 I don't know what that is. That's what we're doing right now. this is called podcasting it's a thing that um white people do uh because the economy is bad in the 21st century yeah because uh there there is no more um you know we don't we don't build stuff in america anymore you know we just we just make podcasts this is this is our number one export as Americans it's podcasts and i think guns i'm not sure which one is like if you're If podcasts have overtaken guns, that'd be sick. That would be so sick.
Starting point is 00:01:34 I like to listen to podcasts while eating cherry tomatoes. I like listening to the podcast while eating my gun. My name is Matt Leave. I am one of your most moral co-hosts. My screen name says trepidacious D, but my born name is Daniel Mate and I'm the other. That's right. That's right.
Starting point is 00:01:55 Trepidacious D in the house. I assume that's a reference to Kyle Gass and Jack Black are maybe splitting up or they canceled the tour because what Kyle Gass said something about the assassination of the president being like what did he do? What happened?
Starting point is 00:02:17 He said next time don't miss. Oh, okay, okay. And Jack Black didn't want to be associated with that because Libs right now are in an uncomfortable position of denying what they actually believe deep in their hearts or or confessing Adam quite randomly writes
Starting point is 00:02:39 canonically Bowser did birthright you mean Bowser from Mario yeah I assume so okay we'll come back to asking him what the fuck that was about a propos of nothing but at least nothing I can see but that we love Adam for that producer Adam Levin in the house Shout out to produce Adam Lev.
Starting point is 00:02:57 You know, one theory is revealing what they really believe in their hearts. The other one is revealing that, in fact, they never believed it. And they've just been talking out of their asses with, oh, he's Hitler, oh, whatever. Because Glenn Greenwald pointed this out. If you really think he's Hitler, you might say it's a terrible thing when a president gets whatever, or you say whatever. You don't say, we're wishing him a speedy recovery and so on and so forth. like so uh jack black not having the courage of his uh his political classes convictions yeah it's
Starting point is 00:03:30 it's just you know i i'm sorry but it's like i respect the when what's her name kathy griffin she got in trouble for having the like the headless trump thing and everyone like freaked out that was like the first time i was like you all you liberals should love this what are you talking about It's like, don't have the rhetoric if you're not going to fucking, if you're not going to just be like, hey, what can you do? They almost got him. You know, come on. I would have made some kind of play on that politics, as we all know, is all about dead presidents anyway. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Is that a dead prez reference or ghostbooker? Well, dead prez reference being a reference to dollars because that president means bills. I love it. in hip-hop vernacular, which is my first language, producer Adam Levin has clarified that Jack Black plays the voice of Bowser in the Mario movie. I don't know if he did screen capture, like,
Starting point is 00:04:34 Gollum style, like... Oh, with the ball suit? Politics stops at the moat to King Coupa's Castle. Man, I guess that would make Baron Trump... What's the name of that? His son? One of the coupas? well i don't know i don't know much about the lore behind super mario brothers i'm more of a sonic guy lennie yeah exactly if you want to ask me about the freedom fighters fighting against robotnik i
Starting point is 00:05:02 think i know a thing or two about those robotnik that that's uh that's definitely jewish coded oh very much so his whole thing was anti-somatic sonic was moot was moot was straight up Phonic versus Kibbutznik. Okay, before we introduce the guest, just one more reminder. Come to Chicago on August 19th and 20th at Lincoln Lodge, 7 p.m. live podcast and then also a live stand-up show the next day. Ticket, Lincoln Bio. And then San Francisco Punchline Wednesday, this next Wednesday coming up July 24th through 27th, Wednesday through Saturday. I will be featuring for the hilarious Helen Hong at the San Francisco punchline.
Starting point is 00:05:48 Please come out to that. Shout out to Adam Levin. Shout out to J.P. Ben and all the mods over at R slash Bad Hasbarra, which to this day is still running. Hey, Matt, can you hear me? I can hear you. Okay. Amazing. Because I totally interrupted you and you just barreled ahead, which I totally respected.
Starting point is 00:06:06 But I just wanted to make sure that it was because you could. Oh, yeah. Well, now I can hear you. What were you saying? I just made a joke about Lincoln Lodge and dead presidents and so. Oh, okay. I did what you'd expect me to do, which is just to barrel in with a total non-sequit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Well, I was like, geez, has Matt, has Matt grown some balls in the past week? Yeah, I'm finally stopping you from doing your thing. No more. Yes, no more. I will not listen to any more references. Someone called us beta midgets on Twitter. Beta midgets. Beta midgets, you know.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Six foot six. That's bullshit. Exactly. I wanted to say, have you ever seen an alpha midget? It's a bad scene. Dude, Alpha midget, the Tyrion Lannister. Exactly. You know, maybe he's a dwarf.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Maybe, you know, listen, I don't know the, the little people is the term. Whoever said that was a fascist, we're not fascist. Okay. We're going to bring up our guest, who I'm very excited about because I've been watching his videos since, I mean, it was like early in October. He started putting out content, doing some geopolitical analysis of what's going on with the, quote, Gaza war. And it has been someone who I find to be very cogent and illuminating when it comes to this stuff, because I'm not a military guy. I don't know shit about it. All of my assumptions on how the war is going is based on just
Starting point is 00:07:38 my general knowledge of Israelis that I know personally. And I'm like, oh, They're saying it's going good, so it's going bad. So our guest is a former Army Ranger, geopolitical analyst for Mint Press News, and the host of the Colonial Outcasts podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, welcome Greg Stoker. Hey, y'all. Thanks for having me on. Hell yeah. How you doing?
Starting point is 00:08:07 You know, I'm doing good. Just stepping on on a Wednesday afternoon or whatever day this is, ready to just start talking. Are you in Korea? It's Tuesday where we are. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:08:19 No, I'm in Long Island. Are you in North Korea? Is that what you mean by colonial outcast? Is you working for the enemy? Have you gone that far? No, I mean, honestly, I stopped because I haven't got my IRGC paycheck yet from Iran. So I'm kind of freelance again in between jobs. I can't wait.
Starting point is 00:08:40 You know, the problem is, is that when you invoice Iran, they have a net 60 policy. So it takes 60 days to get my money. And I'm just like, what the fuck, Iran? The Islamic public, excuse me, God damn it. The Islamic Republic of we'll get back to you. There we go. The Islamic Republic of Hold, please. That's right.
Starting point is 00:09:00 And it's fucking bullshit. You know, what do you think we're doing propaganda for free? No, I have a lifestyle to maintain. Exactly, dude. You know, I got shit to do. I got people to see it can't just even be waiting on my all right so I want to talk to you about your life and your experience and kind of the things that led up to the content that you've been making so can you tell me what exactly um is the army
Starting point is 00:09:33 i'm not really i don't know it's like i don't know it's where you go if you get lost on your way to college. Okay. Yeah. So. Can I ask a follow-up question, Greg? Yes. How is an army ranger different from a park ranger different from a power ranger? How do I tell those three things? Okay. First of all, power rangers have the big, the most funding because those suits are a lot of, a lot to maintain, okay? Yeah, absolutely. So I'd say army rangers are a special, direct action special operations unit. So we're a little bit above funding for general park rangers but again power rangers get the most appropriate government i mean yeah they have to fight rita repulsa i mean you can't do that with no money all right yeah you got to fight the putties i know a lot about power rangers i'm sorry i mean yeah i mean
Starting point is 00:10:26 you're you're busting out some lore i don't know about i felt like if i passed power ranger selection as opposed to just regular army rangers selection i would know more power ranger law Absolutely. Sound off in the chat as to which is more lame to know a lot of lore about Sonic, Power Rangers or Super Mario Bros. Yeah, we're going to add a poll to the chat. But so you were a ranger. What got you to enlist and, you know, what are your thoughts about citizen armies in general? No, let's start with the first one.
Starting point is 00:11:05 And where did you serve, if you don't mind us telling? Yeah, okay. So let's see. I actually wasn't from the normal military recruit demographic. I did have some officers in my family, but I joined the Army when I got, like, kicked out of a New England boarding school. And I was like, I don't want to go to college. And I also, not a unique story. Didn't have the best, like, home environment.
Starting point is 00:11:29 And it was a good way to, like, get the F out of there. and then yeah I went into the Ranger Regiment because I was like I'm kind of a bit of a psycho I want to have an adventure I'm going to go to a special operations unit I don't know
Starting point is 00:11:44 the Rangers appealed to me more than the Green Berets so that's what I went with I wasn't about to be Marine Force reconnaissance because nah I came from an Army family so yeah it wasn't some like who uh Captain America's stuff it was just like a means to an end
Starting point is 00:11:58 I mean I also had a lot of cognitive dissonance going on because in 2009, when I had like passed basic training, like we had already known that like the whole premise of the Iraq war was maybe a little like a straight-up lie, yeah, fake. Yeah, and then I was actually too young for Iraq. So I did four combat deployments to Afghanistan starting off as like a team leader, like an assault team leader. And then I started to branch into military intelligence, kind of informally at first, doing like field interrogations and stuff.
Starting point is 00:12:32 don't worry. I only believed in positive incentives like money. And then I did my whole my five year contract. Then I got into Columbia University. I was like, oh, I'm going special operations, Ivy League, and then CIA. And then I realized that was not nice,
Starting point is 00:12:48 which is why I didn't, why I didn't do it. Well, you fucked up, you went to school first. Yeah, no. If I found a way to go to college after, I would have still believed, like, imperialism was like awesome and totally rad. But, you know, it's kind of hard to, like, study anthropology and be like, oh, you know, colonial projects, good for the world, good for, good for the colonized, good for the colonizer. No, it's all bad.
Starting point is 00:13:12 So, that's why I don't trust pretty much anyone in politics, because the ones, they all went to these, like, you know, Ivy League universities. And I assume learned about American imperialism. And they were like, cool. They still decided to do it. Well, no. Here's my Ghostbusters reference for the day, Matt. All right, do it. I love this plan. I'm excited to be a part of it. Well, actually, like, Edward Said in Orientalism, which I read because I studied anthropology. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Because I was also, like, taking international relations classes where they don't talk about imperialism at all. Right. So it was through, like, post-colonial studies where I actually got exposed to it. It was like, oh, yeah. I did fight into illegal wars. that were actually just pretty much meant to wash money out of the public sector through the defense apparatus back into the private sector.
Starting point is 00:14:09 But like, hell yeah, dude. Like, I fought for your freedom. Yeah, yeah, thank you for the freedom, dog. Thank me for my service. Yeah, I mean, so. I hear the freedom isn't free, though. Yeah, yeah. So thank you for paying the cost
Starting point is 00:14:30 for us. So you went to college and you started learning about colonialism and American imperialism and sort of the geopolitical web of alliances that create an American imperialium. And did you start being a critic of the war publicly then? or when did you start publicly being a critic of American imperialism? What were the first, what were the first, what man was asking basically? What were the first hints, the first symptom signs of treason? Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Before I started working for the Iranian Revolutionary. Right, right, right, right. Okay. One does not simply wake up one morning. This is a Lord of the Rings reference, I guess. That I'll get. One does not simply wake up one morning and say, I'm going to become a paid agent of the Islamic Republic
Starting point is 00:15:29 you have to work your way up right and you know it's it's all Obama's fault you know I was in tactical operations centers like watching you know 150,000 dollar hellfire missiles
Starting point is 00:15:42 get shot at dudes who may have been bad guys may have not been there just wasn't really a standard of proof for it then I was also in when Obama signed that order to like drop a giant wedding in Yemen and just smoked a bunch of people
Starting point is 00:15:57 and then I kind of had like some sort of like insider perspective on what was happening in Syria at the time around like 2012, 13 like we were giving arms to al-Qaeda affiliated groups in the Al-Newsfront to fight against Iranian proxies
Starting point is 00:16:14 within the region and like oh, whoops, ISIS gets created uh-oh, I guess we have to go like send in special operations units like my friends and us to go fight them. It's like what? What exactly are we doing here, guys?
Starting point is 00:16:28 What's going on? Are we just manufacturing forever wars to give us justification to stay in this mineral-rich area and strategically important area of the world? I don't know. That was just a question I started thinking about. Yeah. I mean, so you started thinking about these questions. Was there anything during the time while you were serving? You did four deployments. Is that right? yeah yeah uh anything that you started seeing over there that um sort of started changing your perspective or uh or did you have any other comrades uh in uh you know your unit is it a unit i don't know you can say unit yeah uh who um you know you started talking to and being like hey uh what do we even fucking doing here or was this something that kind of came after well i mean there there's a dissatisfaction. Like sometimes you'd go out
Starting point is 00:17:23 to like conduct like a high value target raid to like, it's what we called like kill capture missions and there's like no intelligence basis. Sometimes you'd just be like, they were just like sending us out on crap just to generate missions that really weren't
Starting point is 00:17:39 doing anything and you just end up like blowing the vehicle gate off some dude's house and like scaring everybody. It's just like, oh, sorry. My bad dude. And it's like a lot of those, a lot of operations were that. It's like, what actually are we accomplishing here? Didn't you get the operational instructions manual drafted by Thomas Friedman?
Starting point is 00:18:02 What you're supposed to say when you knock on their door is suck on this. That's right. That's what you're supposed to do. Another thing published in, well, not published in New York Times. That was on Charlie Rose. He's sucked on. You guys weren't watching Charlie Rose. What were you on?
Starting point is 00:18:18 I was. I didn't start watching. until he got canceled. Once he got canceled, I was just like, you know, it's probably because he was spitting too much truth.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Yeah. No, I really wasn't watching much. I mean, I think we like got bootleg, like, Russian Zena Warrior Princess from the local Afghan Bazaar.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Like I was watching a lot of that. There was like Hercules. What tunes were blasting in the, in the tank? Pantera, Sepultura. I mean, I definitely prefer
Starting point is 00:18:51 Sempiltera to Pantera, but I mean, that was also when Keshah Roots, bloody root! Those are the only three lyrics I know of. Yeah, I mean, I think that, I think that, that's most of the lyrics to Roots Bloody Roots. It's just Roots Bloody Roots.
Starting point is 00:19:07 But I think that Kesha was really big at the time. Sure. You know, nothing gets the boys turned up for a direct action Night Red, like this place about to blow. Yeah, sure. that too.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah, yeah. So. Yeah, just trying to keep it light. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just trying to have some fun out there. During an, you know, just got to keep it light during an illegal war, illegal occupational war. So you came back, you went to college, you started seeing drone strikes and being like,
Starting point is 00:19:40 hey, this seems illegal and bad. And at what point did you start publicly? talking about this. Was it after October 7th that you started talking about things like having an online profile? It had to be. If you had any kind of moral conscience, I mean, for me, it would have been when Obama threatened the Jonas Brothers for the drone. Yeah. Yeah, that was the first time. That was really, that was some really deep state stuff. So if I even had mentioned it, I know I would have been taken out. 100%. So, you know, I think, um, pissing up, uh, 8,200 and being on one of their lists is much safer than, you know, trying to stop the assassination of the Jonas
Starting point is 00:20:24 brothers. Absolutely. What's 8200? 8200 is like their straight up information operations, militarized, Hasbara. It's part of the... What is it, their address? No, no, it's their, it's their military intelligence wing. It's called Unit 8200. And so, yeah, they basically mind the internet for any pro-Palestine or not even pro-Palestine, just like anti-child-slaughter influencers and you get put on a list. This is a
Starting point is 00:20:59 United States military intelligence unit? No, no. No, it's Israeli. Yeah, it's called... Oh, but you know that. I've never heard about this. That's crazy. Unit 8200. One of the women who did the screams without silence article. I forget which one. She had links to Udn.
Starting point is 00:21:22 8200. So they're the big information operations propaganda wing. I don't remember my Hebrew numbers. Shmonim, the Steinmeot, maybe. Yeah, sounds good to me. It's all Greek to me. So, yeah, and I don't know, they're just propagandists,
Starting point is 00:21:42 And I like beefing with them. And yes, the Israeli intelligence apparatus collects heavily on American citizens. I wanted to ask you about what exactly happened to make you realize that this has bar, at least in the American media regarding the war, was just complete lies that they were saying to you in order to playing off. of people's ignorance of military, you know, the way the military works in terms of how big the bombs you're allowed to drop on civilian populated areas and whatnot. Right. So I've definitely witnessed United States forces commit objectively what amounts to war crimes. So I'm not being an apologist here, but around like October 13th, I was like, goddamn, they're making us look like the good guys. Because the moral equivalence is so insane between the two and the double
Starting point is 00:22:42 standards are so there's such a great distance between U.S. conduct and as bad as that is and then what the IDF is doing. So first of all, I was tracking what was going on in Palestine before this happened. I started to understand what Israel was through military literature. The first operational autopsy I ever read was that it was the official position of a U.S. Army War College out of Fort Leavenworth that the IDF got its ass kicked in 2006. by Hezbollah when Hezbollah was way less powerful than they are now. And that kind of started, and that wasn't, that was in 2009. So I had like years to start deconstructing the propaganda that I got pushed when I was
Starting point is 00:23:26 like a white kid in boarding school with like Zionist roommates or like a white kid in Texas around a bunch of Christian evangelicals. I was like, okay. So it was through military literature being like, yeah, they're kind of an incompetent conscript Army. All we do is give them weapons. We send advisors to train them on stuff, but they don't listen to anybody. So that's kind of how it started. And then I was like, oh, wait, this is technically apartheid. This is definitely, according to international law, occupation. So, and I knew about how bad it was going to be the response after the escalation on October 7th. It was an
Starting point is 00:24:03 act of war. It was an escalation. I mean, objectively, the conflict was still ongoing to say that it was an act of war or there was a piece. It's absurd. So the escalation October 7th happened. I'm like, oh my God,
Starting point is 00:24:13 this is going to be bad. They're going to use their dia doctrine, which it basically is collective punishment of civilians in order to pressure the associated militant population into laying down arms
Starting point is 00:24:24 or giving political concessions that they don't want to give. So it's like, okay, yes, they're literally their military doctrine is a war crime. It's the collective punishment of the civilians.
Starting point is 00:24:34 So I knew it was going to be bad. I had no idea. how bad it was going to be because they started doing things that I hadn't seen them do, at least not in 2014, you know, during Operation Protective Edge and stuff.
Starting point is 00:24:49 They were just straight up, they weren't carpet bombing. That's the wrong term. But they were targeting, they were dropped. Or like prayer rug bombing. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they were dropping ordinance that I know that we could, my best friend was a
Starting point is 00:25:07 a fire controls officer in Baghdad during the Iraq war. He, like, and then I did kinetic strike targeting in Afghanistan. It's like, we can't, we can't drop those ordinance. Like, we would be in jail. So, and they're just, they're just dropping it on the most densely populated civilian place on earth. And there's something called like a collateral damage estimate and collateral damage methodology that you do.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Right. And they just weren't doing it. They, so I would say it's inaccurate for the most part to say that they weren't targeting Hamas? I mean, they were. They just don't, they don't care about casualties at all. In fact, the more, the better. So, you know, like, getting targeting data and a GPS location like a Hamas guy or a resistance fighter's cell phone, and he's like an apartment building with hundreds of people, well, they're just going to drop the apartment building, the entirety of it. So that's how they do things. We wouldn't because they refused to do special operations. because I was in a special operations unit,
Starting point is 00:26:07 every time I would have to go and interrupt my Star Wars Marathon or Game of Thrones Marathon or Harry Potter marathon. It was because there was some like al-Qaeda or Taliban guy in a guest house that was attached to a civilian building and that becomes a dual-use facility.
Starting point is 00:26:23 So a dual-use facility is one that has a civilian function and a military function. If there's militants in it, it becomes a dual use and based off of our engagement parameters during Obama's surge, which was like one of the bloodiest periods of the Afghan war, we still couldn't drop it. So you'd have to send in a special operations force,
Starting point is 00:26:40 which is thought to reduce civilian casualties because, like, we're somewhat competent and, like, not air-holing kids, like the IDF snipers are, to go and minimize that and still get the target. But they refuse to do special operations, mostly because they're a conscript army that can't fight. But, yeah, so that's just one aspect.
Starting point is 00:27:01 Do you need special zoning for a dual-use facility? Yeah, I mean, look Do they have the permits for it? I don't, look, I mean, we all know the fascists love to weaponize bureaucracy. Absolutely. They didn't have the permits for a dual-use facility. So Al-Sheba Hospital did not have the permits.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Yeah, if you don't get the permit for dual use, then we're just going to kill everybody. That's kind of hell. Well, they didn't have the permit for single use either, the single use being saving people's lives and training. Right. Doctors, I still am hung up on when you described, I didn't know, know that Israel sends people all over the world, South America, U.S. cities, inner cities, to
Starting point is 00:27:41 train, you know, police forces. I didn't realize that we send them foreign advisors and they don't listen. And I just have to imagine like a comedy sketch where it's just a bunch of Israelis with their feet up on the table. And there's like a foreign advisor who's really trying to like get them to improve their game and be like, look, you guys got your asses kicked in 2006. The Gaza operation isn't going to it. And there's a foreign advisor. And they're, just being like do you live here yeah yeah yeah have you even been on birthright are you are you jewish are you jewish yeah it's just like a like a halel guy or a rab guy just comes up are you even jewish so mother of gentlemen the jeldon gentleman the building is surrounded okay you know
Starting point is 00:28:26 yeah you don't know what it's like uh have you had disco mdma pizza thank you adam of, yeah. So, you know, you talk about, like, the incompetency of the Israeli army, of the IDF. And I think that a lot of the propaganda around the IDF in Western media has been how competent they are. Like, the entire narrative has been, this is the most technologically amazing army in the world. You know, they don't just have soldiers. They have like super soldiers who can, you know, know, have a chip in their head that's basically the ways app. And they can tell you, you know, where exactly to go. And, you know, they have cameras everywhere. So they know every single thing that's going on in Gaza at all times. Yeah, they're all like, they're like, are you Sarah Connor? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'll use Sarah Connor. So, yeah. So, you know, I think this, for anyone who's been paying attention for a while, you've kind of have known. pre-October 7th that the IDF, the propaganda around them being the best army in the world is
Starting point is 00:29:40 bullshit. But now it seems to be more and more on display. Can you explain to me how, what exactly you see in that army that makes them more incompetent than, let's say, you know, the United States Army? And if you can try to do it in a way that doesn't contain any helpful hints for them on how to improve. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't tell them how to be better. Oh, God. Hey. Just insult them and discourage them and bring them down. No constructive criticism, please. Look, look, if they're not listening to official like, uh, U.S. military liaisons, they're not going to be listening to Hasbara for, uh, bad Hasbara for advice. I mean, hey, you guys got an awesome thing going on, but yeah, if they're not listening to them,
Starting point is 00:30:26 they're not, well, they don't listen to anybody. Yeah, they're only listening to this to, uh, try to find something to get us, uh, canceled. on their crowdfunding to try and create yeah they're crowd they're crowdfunding to try and create a good husbar up prod that's right i think alon levy's trying that and it's not going well no yeah all right but to that's a math question okay here we go uh this is one of my favorite subjects it's actually really not hard to understand why they suck so much okay okay um first of all they're conscripts they're not professional soldiers so um they do like two years right that's that's the general draft essentially it's a two-year term of service uh guess what you are still in the military
Starting point is 00:31:10 after two years you're still a dumb-ass private that's like not even that's not even long enough to know how to do your job like i didn't become a i didn't become a non-commissioned officer until like i was like what three years in right um you know uh like uh one of my buddies he was a west point major in the artillery he didn't become major until it was like 33 they've got 25 year old majors running around it's like yeah you you don't do you don't you don't have the amount of maturity or both like mentally, intellectually or emotionally to like be running an entire battalion of dudes like at 25. Are you kidding me? Admiral McFly. Yeah. No, straight up, it's, you know, it's the first time I started realizing this was when I would see, uh, the lists of
Starting point is 00:31:55 casualties, uh, that, you know, either from October 7th who were IDF soldiers or past that. And they would have their name, rank, and age. And it would just be like, you know, a major general, Major General Leib, 19. And I'm like, why do they have so many major generals and why are they all dead? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:32:18 We're going to have any, like, privates at all? We're going to have to do a Gilbert and Sullivan parody now. I am the perfect model of an Israeli major general. I have the perfect model of a Sabra major general. Oh, damn it. Alright, write it down. We're doing it. I'm on it. I'm on it.
Starting point is 00:32:36 Fucking musical theater. All right. So, yeah. So you go on, please, Greg. Yeah, I mean, it's not just the insane, like, youth, the infancy of these, like, field grade officers or, like, senior non-commissioned officers. It's still, like, two years. And you know what? I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:33:00 I've talked to some people that. are disillusioned IDF guys that are associated with like breaking the silence and stuff. Sure. There's kind of like from my understanding an unspoken tradition of like buying commissions in some ways like like if you have political contacts, you're going to become like a major. You know, um, so it's like all of, uh, all the, uh, all like the senior officers are for some reason looking very European and like all the, all the, all the, all the, dirt pounders are not. Right. Right. So it does seem like there's
Starting point is 00:33:35 some like 19th century British Army buying your commission type thing going on through like a political appointments and stuff. Oh good. So that's not just a Jewish coded thing like other like white like William have done that. Right. Yes. We did. I was getting I was getting nervous. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:51 He was about to accuse you of anti-Semitism. No. I was about to I was about to accuse anti-Semites of being like maybe right. Oh, so you're going to accuse yourself of anti-semitism. I mean, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, buying your commission was a big thing in the British Empire.
Starting point is 00:34:11 So my ancestors were all about that. And that's another thing. So it seems like, because if you look at the officers that have died through like resistance sniper operations, it's like, oh, they're always, they have a family connection to someone like inside the Knesset or like part of like a government organization and they're well to do and they have these political connection. It's like, okay, so that's where their officer corps is. It's not coming from like a meritocracy.
Starting point is 00:34:35 It's coming from, you know, just like happens, what happens under most, like, fascist systems or, you know, authoritarian systems. Yeah. Keep it all in the party, baby, all in the party. Nephogenocinicitis. Nephagenicitis. Well, I mean, it's a good way to, it's a good way to sort of equalize or pay them back for, you know, I don't know, killing Sinwar's infant twin daughters or whoever the fuck.
Starting point is 00:34:59 I mean, they always end up just oblige. Alliterating entire families, they send their own families in, and they're the ones, the, you know, the fail sons who get, uh, uh, sniped, get the... Failed to a permanent end. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. By the way, I love military speak, man. When you're talking about kinetic strikes and like, no, it's just, it's such a weird, cool, horrifying, um, subset of the lingo. Like, when you talked about, you guys have an assault team.
Starting point is 00:35:31 Like, I would love to see, like, a Fortune 500 corporation that has an assault team, you know? The VP for assault. Yeah. I don't know. I think you might be beefing with, like, HR quite often. Yeah. Yeah, they would just have a special policy for it. You know, they would investigate themselves just like the IDF.
Starting point is 00:35:52 And speaking of IDF, guys, speaking of IDF. Yeah. So I've noticed that sometimes, Greg, and by the way, your last name, Stoker reminds me of a joke I made on Twitter. There was a group, there's a group called Stop Antisemitism, and they posted about how meta has a new policy that you can't say Zionist. And I said this, this group should be called Stoke anti-Semitism. Yeah. I got that. Oh, hey, oh my God, Matt, you have that right on hand? That was the luckiest break I've ever had on this podcast. Holy shit. It was right there on screen. So that's amazing. I mean, that was a tangent to a tangent to a tangent. Sometimes you say
Starting point is 00:36:26 IDF and sometimes in your post you say I-OF, right, Israeli Occupation Force. I think we need to diversify we need to do the whole damn alphabet so let's play a game i'm gonna do an i something letter you tell me what it stands for okay yeah i r f is real well hey hey there's a there's a canceled term that's still you start with the artist one yeah the i er there are other r words in the language can we call it the i s a f then you know s a is a little easier you know all Otherwise, okay, there's other R words. Once you have the one in your head, IGF, right? IGF.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Yeah, Israeli goenforce. There we go. Goon Force, yeah, yeah, exactly. Great. That's, by the way, the Israeli goon force, they just are masturbating for another computer for a long time. That's what gooning is. But to their own TikToks. To their own TikToks.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Yeah. We are so funny. You get the game. I won't do the rest of the alphabet, but people can play at home. Yeah. With your kids around the dinner table. Yeah, that's a fun game to play with kids. So I've ruined, I apologize for ruining the R1.
Starting point is 00:37:38 No, you didn't. It was my first thought too. Okay. I actually can't think of one either. It's crazy. It's really hard. By the end of this podcast and whoever gets it, just blurt it out. We're going to come up with it because we have to be providing people with other options
Starting point is 00:37:53 for that word, for that letter. There's only 26 letters in the alphabet. We can't start, you know, It's like F, you know, N, we need to have options, okay? Yeah. So just to kind of round out the subject of the incompetency of the IRF. Israeli remedial force? Oh, see, that's good.
Starting point is 00:38:21 That's great. But that implies that they get retrained. They don't get retrained. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But so, you know, you talk about their incompetency that you read this report in one of your military magazines that you read, I assume, or some sort of memo. It's open source. Like, I can actually post it to the chat right now. Oh, great. So, yeah, keep going. But, well, you read one regarding the 2006 Lebanon campaign in which Israel got their.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Aswop by Hezbollah. And the, again, the whole narrative around that was like, how can we be losing? Look at what we're doing to them. Look at our kill ratio. It was like, you know, we're killing all of them. Guys, in honor of our paymasters, can we call them the party of God, please? That's their proper name, Hesbola. Yeah, Hezbollah, the party of God.
Starting point is 00:39:23 Thank you. Shout out to our main. producer Hassan Nasrallah we love you homie um but yeah the uh what what did you see um in this report regarding the 2006 Lebanon campaign that uh wasn't so much reported in the western media and um yeah well that well first of all the one thing that wasn't reported was that there were like more than two Israeli casualties you know another another thing another thing that wasn't reported was that there were an insane number of casualties in Beirut, especially in the Daya neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:40:07 So by the way, I posted in the private chat, the report. Okay, cool. Thank you. Yeah, nothing has changed. If you go through this report knowing what you've seen of the Israeli military from October 7th to the present day, it's the same thing. Okay. So right now we're seeing videos of either like P.I.J. or Hamas or whatever front
Starting point is 00:40:30 is operating Gaza, literally running up to tanks, placing EMPs, explosively formed penetrators, which cut through anything, just destroying tanks, and no one's guarding the tanks. Such a good video game level. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:40:49 You mean, like, you need to be hiding in a bombed out building. You get in there, get the thing in there, you know? Yeah, yeah. You get stealth points. When I see these videos, I think I have a reaction similar to yours, or maybe my reaction is painted by watching your videos, which is like, how is it that easy to run up to a tank, plant an explosive in the middle of it, like inside of it, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:15 and then run back into a hole. And is this kind of like asymmetrical warfare going to work out? Especially when the tank is there ostensibly looking for you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, the thing is, if you read this report that I just posted, yeah. Yeah, they refuse to have infantry in support of their armor.
Starting point is 00:41:37 So there's something in military terminology is like basic 101 stuff you should learn within days of like war college. It's called. Yeah, yeah, but before you get to that, infantry is a word I've never understood. Based on the IDF's approach in Gaza, I'm assuming it means being trained to kill infants, yes? yes it also means you are an infant so baby on baby crime yeah baby on baby crap
Starting point is 00:42:05 actually um no that was back during like the the late middle ages when they were using child soldiers we we've just kept the term but now it means yes killing killing infants so which means they're not they're dismounted the rifle men
Starting point is 00:42:21 Matt you saw that joke coming right that was oh I was I knew it immediately and I almost you know I almost said, hey, let him finish talking. But I said, you know what? I'm just going to let Daniel do his thing. The power to mute me, you know? I do, but
Starting point is 00:42:37 you know, I'm not a dictator. So, Greg, please continue. Yeah. So, you know, you'd have the dismounted baby killer people supporting the baby killer people within tanks, because tanks are made to shoot tank shells and take out larger targets,
Starting point is 00:42:53 hard sites, other tanks. They're not really good at taking, being anti-personnel, like taking out people who just run up to them, so that you need to have people protecting the tanks. So I don't know, people can't run up and slap a bomb on the tank. That is interesting. It's crazy. It's crazy. I had never considered that fact before is like, oh, tanks are supposed to battle other tanks. In this case, they just go into this area that is tankless and they're like, shell that building.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Is that? Yeah. I mean, no, no. Well, to be fair, tanks are also meant to like be a heavy fire, a heavy fires platform that can take out like a sniper position or something. Oh, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah. But yes, you need
Starting point is 00:43:43 the bottom line is you need infantry to protect them from other infantry. It's called combined arms. You're using different combat arms to work with each other. Israel cannot achieve combined arms. So they just, they stay buttoned up in their tanks because they're scared to walk around because what they've done is create Stalingrad. Just like literally they, from World War II, one of the biggest
Starting point is 00:44:05 military blunders in history was the Nazis going in, bombing the shit out of Stalingrad, neutralizing the one big advantage they had over the Soviets, which was their mechanized corps, their tanks. Well, tanks can drive over just about anything, except it was, they thought it was going to be, they thought it was going to be Stalin rad, but it's, Stalling Stalling, that's Adam Levin So, man after my own heart So what cat tanks really drive over?
Starting point is 00:44:36 Rubble Because rubble will make them start throwing tracks So they neutralize their one big advantage Which is why you see all these bulldozers Driving through Gaza Trying to clear Clear channels of maneuvering So they can get their tanks around
Starting point is 00:44:49 Because they just bombed it to shit Just like the Germans did during Stalingrad And they neutralized their biggest advantage because they're idiots. So what do they have in common psychologically? Like, I'm trying to pin, like, I'm always looking for like, what, so kill them all, but like, is there also a kind of cowardice? Is there like they don't know how to say, I've got your back in Hebrew, a kind of inability to work as a team? Like, what is that mentality that would stop you from having someone there with you to support what you're doing? Is it arrogance? Because I'm trying to, obviously, like,
Starting point is 00:45:20 our minds, many of our minds are on, like, what, why? Yeah, how are the, Israel is different from the Nazis, but, like, because they do give, you know, third Reich energy. Yeah. So. Yeah. Well, I'd say because of this, the post-mortem semen extraction, they're giving, like, fourth Reich eugenics energy.
Starting point is 00:45:41 Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. So, that's another level of, that's another level of a different video game. Yeah. It's like that in between level and street fighter where you just break the car apart, except it's extracting the come out of a dead guy. It's called, it's called come hither.
Starting point is 00:46:02 But yeah, like, do you, when you see something like a tank that is completely unguarded being run up upon by, you know, dude and flip flops and blowing it up, what do you know, in your experience, like, what are you seeing there in terms of the mindset of the, higher-ups at the IDF. Well, first of all, what I see is, like, they don't want to get out of their tanks because they're scared. First of all, they're scared.
Starting point is 00:46:36 And what it tells me about, like, the higher-ups is the Israeli military has a very low tolerance for casualties. Like, they're deeply affected by, I don't know if it's some chosen people shit going on, but Israeli society has a very low tolerance for dead soldiers. military casualties yeah yeah yeah yes let me clarify that different yeah different game when it comes to the people who aren't currently serving right yes um because because their entire um cost is belly their cause for war their moral justification is like all built up on propaganda if people stop thinking that they're this big badass military they're going to start getting scared
Starting point is 00:47:17 they're going to start questioning it well what and this is why there's a gag order in israeli media on casualty figures. The only time they're really honest about what's happening is when there's a mass Cal event, a mass casualty event, where there's like three or more dudes killed and they can't, because people are like watching hospitals, they can't hide it, so they get ahead
Starting point is 00:47:35 of it. But if it's just like one or two guys, they can maybe sweep it under the rug. So whatever their casualty figures are, they're not it. Because, again, because everything's based on, and we touched on this earlier, the idea that Israel has this big, bad military, well, it doesn't.
Starting point is 00:47:51 no one in the know ever thought it has and they were basically banking off their deterrence capacity scaring everybody in the region and did not wanting to mess with them through sustained multi-generational propaganda so like the Mossad is all knowing they know what you had for breakfast
Starting point is 00:48:07 and their military is awesome but they didn't have the architecture to even deal with October 7th and the Mossad ignored it and Shinbet dropped the ball so October 7th has completely shattered their deterrence capacity and they can't get it in order to get it back to death to defeat Hamas, which they can't.
Starting point is 00:48:24 And if you can't defeat Hamas, you definitely can't defeat Hezbollah. So they're kind of screwed. They're not going to get it back. And that fees back into they need to try to find some way to maintain it. That's why they have a gag order on casualties. That's why they have a very low threshold for sustaining casualties. That's why they always stay buttoned up in the tanks. But that's not actually how you fight a war.
Starting point is 00:48:45 That's not how you take ground. That's not how you clear tunnels. It's not how you control objectives. It's not how you really do anything except roll around. shooting rubble in tanks and killing people for the sake of killing people this lens credence to my theory about the tic talks you know there's a lot of perplexity on a lot of people's parts like how can they be doing this is such bad PR I recently saw a film called Israel's real extremism R EEL right you know basically 40 minutes of just looking at how
Starting point is 00:49:15 Israeli media is replaying these tic talks you know and it occurs to me that Hasbara is no longer for the outside world anymore. It's about keeping morale up among the Israeli public. That's the ones they need to convince now, and that's a huge turn. I mean, they always have to propagandize their people. But in terms of inoculating themselves against anyone getting wise, the threat is coming from inside the villa in the jungle. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 00:49:46 And so you'll see a lot of symbolic operations. So last month, when they did the Nusirat refugee camp massacre, they rescued four hostages, first time, right? Then they killed a whole bunch of Palestinians. Most of them were not Hamas, because basically what they do, they got the hostages out, and then they just like activate all containment boxes, drop everything, and so everything in the neighborhood gets, like, dropped with a bomb or a missile or something. Holy shit. You're telling me that the sequence of events was hostages. Exfiltrated, hostages safe, then kill a bunch of Palestinians?
Starting point is 00:50:24 That's how it happened? It happened during Exville. It happened when they were leaving. That's what we do know. So it doesn't seem, because like based off of the video footage that the IDF released, which is very tailored and doctored, there were no airstrikes going on during the operation. There didn't even seem to be any gunfire. So it's hard to determine there's a lot of fog and war stuff going on
Starting point is 00:50:51 But the most of the all the ordinance apparently was dropped during the ex-fills So there's you'll see you'll see how did the hostages get out how did the operation go It was entirely bloodless and peaceful you schmuck drop the bombs now People will think we are pussies Yeah so so but the reason I bring this up as a case study yeah because They rescued the hostages and anybody who thinks about these things operationally or tactic, it was like, that was really dumb
Starting point is 00:51:22 because now that you got those four hostages, you are never rescuing another hostage again. Because those hostages were being kept above ground so they could be, like, maintain a certain level of health. So when they're released to the Israelis, it'd be a good PR victory for Hamas. So now they're going into the tunnels, and they're not going to be found again.
Starting point is 00:51:41 So it was a PR victory meant to, it was meant for the Israeli people. to be like, see, we can actually get hostages back. So bear with us for another seven months when we bought this shit out of Gaza, even though anyone who knows anything knows that Hamas will not allow, even if they have to kill hostages now,
Starting point is 00:51:58 hostages get back. So it was just a PR stunt. They killed the Golden Goose. Yeah, and now it's done. Yeah, and it did seem like part of the propaganda was also watching people's reaction to the giant number of Palestinian casualties that happened as a result of trying to rescue these four captives and going, see, they hate it when we're free, you know, as opposed to, no, people hate it when you kill 200 people in order to save four people who could have been released in a, you know, diplomatic exchange. Like, that's what people actually hate.
Starting point is 00:52:41 But as soon as people saw how big the casualty number was of Palestinian civilians, people started being mad about it. And they were like, good, we want you to be mad about it so we can convince our own people that they hate it when we're free. They were mad, Matt. They were just triggered. They were just triggered. Yeah. And you know, I rarely interact with Zionists anymore. I used to get like last early last year early this year I mean it kind of like fizzled off so I don't really like engage in like debates or talk much with them but we were just at this stolen land auction up here in Queens yesterday Sunday and it was in front of this like four story
Starting point is 00:53:24 mansion it's like oh my God you're you can pay property taxes on a four story mansion in Queens probably don't need someone else's land but you know so this one wasn't in a synagogue it wasn't in a place of worship? It was not. Oh, that's decent of them. Yeah. So it was nice, but they did it because they were trying to keep it secret. But like, we got people on this that's all they do. They'll do it. They'll do
Starting point is 00:53:47 it in a children's hospital in Queens next. Yeah, yeah. So, and I saw the lunch, the lunch room in a cancer ward, pediatric cancer war. Yeah, look at these pro-Palestine terrorist utilizing these
Starting point is 00:54:03 children. They hate when children are being curative cancer it's like no why did you hold this fucking auction here so anyways like what's what's amazing to me is like the husbar I was experiencing there because I because this guy wanted to talk to me sure and I was like yeah sure dude whatever um I'll answer like questions I have a question for you did you do you know anything about the Middle East I was like yeah I mean I do have you ever been there? I was like, yeah, I've been through. I also did four combat deployments to Afghanistan.
Starting point is 00:54:37 I have a pretty good understanding of like politics of the region and stuff. He's like, okay, well, did you know that in 2005 they voted, the Ghazans voted for Hamas? I was like, dude, we're done with that. We got past that in November. Like, how are you guys still on this? It is insane having to have the same conversation over and over again with people. like it's always a new person every time who wants to do wants to spit has bar a 101 at you and you're just like i i literally can't have this conversation again read a book like at that point it's like yeah it's like a team that got knocked out in the in the first round of the playoffs showing up yeah semifinals or the finals and heckling from the crowd oh so you think you can play huh yeah yeah it's it's just so it's it's so disingen
Starting point is 00:55:30 genuine, too, because the idea that these people have not heard, the counter argument is ridiculous. Of course they have. They just are like, well, no, I'm here to waste your time. Unless they're cloned, in which case they just got out of the pods and
Starting point is 00:55:46 they only have one setting. Yeah. And so I think like, I don't know, the uniformity of it was something I didn't expect, though. There's like no difference of opinion. There's no shades of ways to approach it. It's the same talking points.
Starting point is 00:56:06 And it's like they haven't adapted at all over the past nine months. It hasn't become any more sophisticated. So it was just really easy to be like, oh, hey, yeah, I'm sure the, I'm sure the 20,000 children that have been murdered in kinetic strikes totally voted for Hamas. They were totally around to vote for Hamas in 2005. Yeah. And it's just like, uh, it's like, so the inability to adapt just makes me. seem like it's not going to last forever.
Starting point is 00:56:33 But then again, my family's German. Still have some really problematic, believe. Yeah, man. The font on that t-shirt is giving me Gothic Saxon. It's giving me Saxon, you know? Well, I mean, it's Merciful Fate. Actually, a Norwegian metal band from the 80s. Oh, fuck yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Do they really spell merciful that way with the Y instead of the I? Yes. I love it. Yeah, just like the same way Corn spells it. with a k and a backwards are come on man that's how metal works even new metal so i i mean all i just wanted to finish up with this yes please these these supremacists like well these ethno supremacist ideologies they don't just go away unfortunately in fact uh like in germany a nobody fascist like my people and the neo nazi shit's making a hard comeback so yes i don't think zionism unfortunately
Starting point is 00:57:25 is going anywhere anytime soon either yeah no and uh you know i think what's going to happen uh with regard to the sort of uh right wing neo fascist love of israel turning into a right wing christian nationalist uh hatred of israel or some sort of uh you know secular neo nazi shit like there's i have there's a lot of confluence of uh different forms of anti-semitism that are very worrying for me because i uh i uh i I don't see anything from the left that even gets close to the amount of like, at least on Twitter, especially since Elon's taken over, the amount of like right wing fascist, like hatred of Israel that feels like they're using Palestinians in order to, you know, just launder their own
Starting point is 00:58:19 anti-Semitism and it just, they're jealous. They want America to be the one murder. Right. Exactly. Exactly. By getting these jew these jews to do the middleman work for us and charge us interest yeah but before we continue this conversation i have been told i have to take a break for ads uh and i know that so i'm going to do it adam i'm sorry it took this long i'm sorry to everyone who wanted to listen to advertisements and they're just buy the shit just buy yeah please whatever's just buy it unless it's on the bds list don't buy it And we're back. Wonderful ads.
Starting point is 00:58:59 We're here with Greg Stoker, who is telling us about Israel and the military and kinetic strikes. But I want to ask you some further questions regarding a recent thing that happened in the news. so apparently somebody tried to shoot Trump yeah have you seen this have you heard about this
Starting point is 00:59:30 I heard it I read about it in some girls blog seemed interesting seemed important yeah I mean you know I was like oh okay that that sounds interesting
Starting point is 00:59:43 and I watched the video and I was like oh shit someone tried to kill Trump and I feel like it's led to a weird feeling the last few days of people who don't know how to publicly talk about this in any way that either won't get them in trouble or will, in which they can say anything that is of substance. Mostly people are just going, damn, thoughts and prayers.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Thoughts and prayers to the person we've been calling Hitler for the last eight years. Yeah. Thoughts and prayers to the person who is an existential threat to all of us. There's no place for violence. If Hitler was alive, you know, we wouldn't want him dead. It's essentially what that means. If they were telling the truth, their response would be damn. Yeah. Well, you know, like November is cooked. Yeah. So I guess from my, what I like to say is like when it comes to like Hitler, violence against Hitler, I'm just kind of like, hey guys. your leader, you know? Yeah, exactly. There's completely different rhetoric surrounding this, though. Yeah. Yeah. And I have some video of it. Obviously, you know, the Bad Hasbara podcast,
Starting point is 01:01:02 which is nothing but a speedy recovery for the ex-president, a wonderful man who deserves nothing but the best. And I just want to play the video because it's a shock. shocking, shocking video. Take a look at what happened. I don't know. I don't know who added that dick. I did not add that dick. I'm going to blame that on producer Adam.
Starting point is 01:01:46 We are a respectful podcast. Should we describe for the podcast listeners and the visually impaired what that was, Matt? Yes. So much work into. Yes. Describe your work. Show your work, man. Okay, that was Trump on the ground with his ear bleeding and Ben Flores, a comedy writer, superimposed the dick and hit to his mouth.
Starting point is 01:02:08 And I just think that is wrong. I just want to say, I'm not happy Trump got shot. And I am happy he didn't get killed. I think a civil war would have ensued. I think presidential assassinations are fucked up, including former presidential assassinations. There's, and if I was going to be happy about his death, I'd have to wish death on a lot of other people, and I just can't afford that. But I will say, given that it was a head turn that person, could he have lost the full ear? I just think that would have been badass.
Starting point is 01:02:42 Yeah. Like, give him the reservoir dog's treatment. Then you could have played stuck in the middle with you for that. Given the Van Gogh. And I don't know. I just think that it just felt a little bit half-assed, you know? Yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, the thing that strikes me is, yeah, the response from a liberal world,
Starting point is 01:03:06 the world of the libs, we should say, you know, they abhor. political violence. But they also control the the way you define political violence. So like basically no free health care, no affordable housing, like that, that's not violence. The disappearance, the impoverishment and the imprisoning of the American population, not political violence, criminalizing homelessness. So you get like a labor, an exploited labor population to compete with China, not political violence, sending 2,000 pound bombs to Gaza. not political violence no yeah yeah no the only policy yeah that's yeah that's just good economics that's just good market economics you know obama did us a favor he had a tweet saying this kind
Starting point is 01:03:55 of political violence is unacceptable yes yes yes other kinds of political violence are acceptable i mean listen if you didn't want to die you shouldn't have been born in gaza i think we can all i we can all agree with that you know hey man takes a village takes a village or for or Ferguson. Yeah, or Ferguson or Flint. Yeah, if you didn't want to get lead poisoning, you shouldn't have been drinking water in Flint. So, yeah, it was just one of those instances where I saw it and it was, it was nothing but depressing when I saw it. And the reason it was depressing was for obviously, there's a multitude of reasons. But one of the biggest ones was just if you
Starting point is 01:04:40 to quote Omar Omar Little if you come at the king you best not miss and I felt like it was you know one of those decisions that you make
Starting point is 01:04:52 in your life where you go like if you're gonna do it you to fail ahead quote George Michael if you're going to do it do it right
Starting point is 01:05:01 that's right and I'm not saying he should do it I again I am not a pro assassination, but I am, I think in my head, I'm like, well, if I have to choose the type of political violence, to quote Barack Obama, politicians versus proletariat, I choose politician political violence way before I choose proletariat political violence. I mean, especially if the
Starting point is 01:05:29 policies are, you know, of the politicians are the ones causing the death and mound nutrition and, you know, despair of the vast majority of the population, then, I mean, you know, if I have to choose, if only there was a slight head turn, the proletariat could make to escape the brunt of the violence against them, you know? If only is something just nicked our ear instead of, you know, bankrupting us from medical debt. Yeah, I mean, first of all, one of my big issues with the response from the, the, the, and the Democrat, the DNC. First of all, Joe Biden, when, during his Oval Office statement, couldn't pronounce
Starting point is 01:06:15 ballot box. It's like, this needs to be settled. Battle bots. Hell, hell, yeah, battle box. I'm all about battle boxes. Second of all, you know, you know it's all BS. If they would have, if Trump would have gotten assassinated, they would have been like, oh, this is horrible.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Like, what's this country coming to? We're better than this. We have horror violence. Yes. This is not what we are. Yeah. Yeah. This is the worst of both worlds for them.
Starting point is 01:06:44 Because now they have to deal with a reborn. And in fact, it's very possible. Some right-wing commentator, maybe it was Rod Dreher, one of these guys, some Christian conservative was looking at a picture of Trump or footage of Trump at the Milwaukee Convention. He's in the audience now, you know? And someone was praising him. And he was nodding along and smiling.
Starting point is 01:07:05 and someone was like, you see, he's softened, there's vulnerability, he's, he's been and actually, that's a possibility that there could be this kind of, we could see a new kind of pious, uh, fascist, you know, which would be very dangerous indeed. Yeah, I mean, listen, uh, if, if John Fetterman can have a stroke that makes him a Zionist, uh, then Trump can have an ear, Nick that turns him into a nice guy. anything is possible with these these medical things but I wanted to touch on
Starting point is 01:07:42 there was at least as far as I know one death in the crowd not Trump. A real friend of Palestine bit the dust. Yes and that was the thing. It was a Pennsylvania firefighter named Corey Comparatore
Starting point is 01:07:59 Comparatore Corey Comparatore And you know When I heard someone else that died You know Other than the shooter I was like oh man That fucking that sucks right
Starting point is 01:08:12 And then people started posting shit From his Twitter And I just realized like Shit posting You know The problem with it is Is if you die Your tweets live on forever
Starting point is 01:08:27 What was it saying? So this is Pierce Morgan in October is asking where are these Palestinians going to live after the war is over this is after a story that says over a million people have fled their homes in Gaza and where are they going to go
Starting point is 01:08:43 Pierce asks and the firefighter says they'll get over it get over it the Japanese did and you know it's just one of those things where it's like I look he's in it this guy was just out of thing and he got shot
Starting point is 01:08:59 father of two father of two it is actually a tragedy but when you see that tweet you just kind of go like your kids will get over it the japanese did yeah you can't help it okay yeah their children will get over it but you know what we can say that because Japanese children Palestinian children
Starting point is 01:09:22 you know it sucks I mean that's just war they'll get over it yeah exactly you know but then again yeah Is this any, this is exactly the Twitter post you would expect from someone who was at a Trump rally too. Yeah, and someone who got the tickets to be right behind him, you know, like someone who got the, I'm going to be on camera treatment. Yeah, you just like. You think when the bullet entered his, whatever part of his body it did, it was covered in like Trump ear? Oh, maybe. That would be. Did he die with Trump's body inside of him?
Starting point is 01:09:56 I mean, hopefully if he did, he knew that, you know, he'll always. be with them I think that's called that's called Republican Communion Crazy Jews We're crazy Jews over here We have to ask Greg
Starting point is 01:10:10 about the operational security failure at the assassination Right It's kind of Off grid of our topic But I mean You want to talk about
Starting point is 01:10:18 Yeah incompetent defense forces Mm-hmm Yeah okay So I guess we should touch on this Basically I'm not a conspiracy theorist I think everything
Starting point is 01:10:29 that happened could just be explained satisfactorily by just massive police incompetence. Because, you know, they're cops. And if we want them to be better at their job, we need to give them more money. Like, actually fund them. How about fund the police? How about actually funding the police?
Starting point is 01:10:48 Instead of defund, how about fund? Fund the police coming straight from the underground. Exactly. So if we don't want this thing to happen in the future, I mean, we're joking. But they're going to use this opportunity to really fund the police because all the politicians are going to be like, oh, my God, we need protection. And all the cops are going to be like, we want more money. Do you want to do a deal? And we're like, yeah, we want to do a deal. Sign the appropriations bill. So, yes, we need to fund the police more. And then this won't happen. We could also just have police, you know, IQ tests. And this also couldn't, wouldn't happen. Well, listen. Once you start doing IQ, Q test for police, then all of a sudden we don't have any more police. I mean, come on. Might as well,
Starting point is 01:11:35 you know, ask them and take a psychological exam, put a picture of their wife in front of them and say, like, what are your feelings right now? And if you say, I want to hit her, you know, then you can't be a cop. And then you have no cops. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, exactly. Personally, I think the thin blue line should be representative on the flag of like all the blue. Like 40% of the flag should be blue for the domestic violence complaints. But it's But anyways, you are working with three different organizations, like multiple different organizations who are all cops, essentially. You got the FBI, you got the Secret Service, who do work for the Department of the Treasury.
Starting point is 01:12:10 You have local and state law enforcement. And they're all working together at this event. So you have multiple departments working in tandem together, and they're not communicating well. And it's not unbelievable for me that this random dude just walks up, finds a ladder. Either he pre-staged it or a maintenance guy. left it there and they didn't pick it up on their sweep and so the civilians are like hey first of all there should have been a law enforcement officer on top of the building we're not going to get into the we don't have enough time to get into the whole like semantics of what went down but
Starting point is 01:12:43 the police officer was informed that there was a guy on the roof of the gun he calls it up to the tactical operation center where all these liaisons from different departments are working the local law enforcement guy tells the secret service guy hey there's a guy on the roof we need to check him out secret service guy calls the snobes the counter-sniper team on the roof, they reorient to look at the guy. Meanwhile, rally goers are pointing and talking to each other and saying,
Starting point is 01:13:07 there's a guy on the roof. No, look. He's just up there. He's just sitting there. Right. They look at him. Here's one thing that actually could have, and this is a legitimate thing, they could be like, okay, is it some sheriff's deputy that didn't tell anybody he was going up onto the roof, and he has
Starting point is 01:13:23 a gun and he's in plain clothes. That does happen. Okay, call back to the tactical Operation Center, be like, hey, is everybody accounted for it? Does anybody have a guy on this roof? And they're just like, they probably don't have accountability of where all those people are. So there's actually some confusion. Right. Bred, born of incompetence, both in the planning of not having a guy covering that roof and two, just having poor communications where this is, for me, explainable. Like, Harlan's Razor, don't attribute to malice, which could be attributed to stupidity.
Starting point is 01:13:59 having worked in special operations and for the government at a really high level or high operational capacity level, I've seen some really dumb stuff happen. So, I tend to towards that. That's a new razor. I've never heard of this. I know Ackham. Yeah, this one's a simpler one. Even simpler than Ackham? Even simpler than Ackham. Yeah. I wonder if there's a Monachim's razor. That's the one the idea of uses. Don't use that razor.
Starting point is 01:14:24 You don't want that one. I just know Gillette's. Yeah, those are great razors. dude yeah it does seem like one of those like strategically bad ideas where um because anytime you see like the president speak i mean if i haven't been to many events or have i oh no i went to the inauguration of trump in 2016 uh for work and um i you know there are snipers on the roofs you just kind of go I assume
Starting point is 01:15:02 that's not a guy who's going to kill the president you know like you just as a regular you know attendee you're just like I assume everyone with guns here is looking for bad guys with guns but you know I've never been to a Trump rally
Starting point is 01:15:19 I'm not that interested or intellectually curious about what goes on but I imagine that crazy white dudes walking around with guns climbing random things rolling around in the mud, uh, eating grass or whatever, is not something that's beyond the pale. Yeah. No. I love if I was like, a guy with guns quickly turns into just ravenous hog in the grass rolling around, licking his balls. He's just like, I assume, you know, just shoveling
Starting point is 01:15:47 funnel cake into the mouth and just masturbating to pictures of Hitler. It's like, yeah, you know, Trump stuff. Um, yeah. Well, I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the and some right wingers have already figured out who to blame this on and it's the DEI movement because that's right there were there were women in the secret service detail the funniest take that i've seen hey from the it all it almost makes too much sense it's too good yeah just like the immediate shift of blame where you're just like no no no fuck all this like conspiracy theory shit. What's a chick doing here? It's like, fuck
Starting point is 01:16:30 once! You know who Trump needs protecting him? Bronsed, shredded beefcakes. Yeah. Hot beefcake, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's who you want. That's who I want hugging my president. Yeah. I only want high tea guys, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:48 do CrossFit and drink raw milk. The only name, the only first name that should be allowable on a secret service application should be Chad. That's right. They're all chads. Did you see Elon Musk's tweet, you know, sort of bitterly criticizing the SS? I just thought that
Starting point is 01:17:06 was hilarious. Wait, what? What did he say? Secret service. But he said SS. He said SS. And I'm just thinking Elon is really displeased with Himmler's performance. Oh, yeah. I liked the better one is the essay, he said.
Starting point is 01:17:23 And, you know, essay is, I'm not talking about the other essay that is also our I'm talking about there was two, never mind I'm not going to give a history lesson on that it says you get it. Greg gets me Hey guys
Starting point is 01:17:37 what? Israel Rust bucket force. Oh, there we go. Okay. Rust bucket is one word? Yes. It can be whatever you want. All right. I mean, Israel relaxation force. Why is it easier now? Oh, that does work because
Starting point is 01:17:56 we see uh videos of them getting like manny petties outside of gaza that's right because because like i don't know cosmeticians just want to help serve their country and so they make sure everybody has a as a really glamorous manny petty uh before they go into uh shack some kids uh i'll tell you as growing up in uh west los angeles in a in a neighborhood with a lot of uh Israelis um Israelis do enjoy a good manny-petti. They're into the shiny fingernails. When people say they're tough as nails, that's what they're talking about. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:18:36 We are hanging on. We, you know, we don't need bombs. We'll use our fingernails if we have to. And they're talking about these really shiny, beautiful nails that only Israel can make. Yeah, my French pedicure. Exactly. I have French tips. But, yeah, so, you know, I, I,
Starting point is 01:18:56 I figured we had to talk about it because it was just like, damn, that seems like a news story that was going to live on. And people are saying that, oh, this is going to ensure Trump's re-election and all I can say is. Yep. Get ready. Yeah. I was prepared before that. And now, you know, I'm just like, well, there we go. This is, this is it. Especially now that he's got Jans, Vance.
Starting point is 01:19:23 Yeah, Jets, Vance. Yeah. I stole that from someone on Twitter. I thought that was really funny. J.D. Vance of Vance Refrigeration. That is the office reference. So, yeah, before we end the show, I do want to talk about a meme that I saw.
Starting point is 01:19:42 Okay. Yeah, so the IDF, you know, is very much online. And there are a lot of former IDF soldiers who have these accounts, and they are incredibly racist. And there's a level of racism that I think, like, the average, like, Israeli, has become sort of immune to in which they, like, you've seen how they are not fully in touch with kind of the general liberal Western sentiment around talking about race and whatnot in ways that you're like, this feels racist, but I don't know if they know it's racist. Yeah, and their memes used to only sort of color code, let's say, you know, opponents and people they could dismiss and mock in terms of the color of someone's hair, you know, purple eyes. But this thing you're referring to, Matt, if that's the one I think, takes things considerably further.
Starting point is 01:20:43 Yeah, so there's a guy who I think I've shown some of his tweets before on this podcast, but his name is Aidan. A dean. I like calling him Aiden. It feels, you know, listen. Like Aidan, Aiden Gilling, Carcady. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I was, I was thinking like, you know, any fucking Mormon child now in Utah, they're all named like Aiden or Jaden or Braden. I think making Hebrew names sound Irish is a good form of verbal violence. I think so, too. I think it hurts their feelings, and I like that. So he puts out these like memes that are like pretty racist, but I think this one might be the most racist one he's ever done. This is his choose your anti-Zionist. So for those of you who are listening, it is a series of four like Wojacks. And he has made them all essentially people of eight.
Starting point is 01:21:46 There's eight there, Matt. Oh, yeah, yeah, eight. excuse me eight wojacks they are all uh racially coded not even like secret codes this is like uh black guy black guy black guy black guy black guy and uh muslim guy and then and then white trans person yes and then of course white trans person you can't forget like you know uh they they hate people who have purple hair it's a it's a it's a meme with them and i just want to like go through them one by one because this is i already found mine Already found out. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:19 He nails me. Yeah, so we're going to tag yourself. So I assume, is this you? Are you far left? Yeah, dirty, dirty, unwashed leftist. Okay, so this is far left. Once again, it looks like Bill Cosby as seen through the eyes of someone who's just waking up from having been drugged by Bill Cosby.
Starting point is 01:22:44 Yes, yes. Just a warped Bill Cosby. He is a black man who's got a North Korean flag. Deformed Albert. Yeah, exactly. And it says the far left hates Israel simply for being allied with U.S. Fair enough. And then the second point is not as simple.
Starting point is 01:23:05 It's a bit reductive, but it's valid. Yeah. Corroborates the idea that Israel is a, quote, white ethnostate. Don't corroborates. Don't think. Weird word choice aside. I mean, you can make an argument that at least it's a white adjacent ethno state. Right, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:24 But the greatest thing about it is it's just like, oh, I mean, if that's your argument, why did you make this guy a black guy? Like, it sounds kind of like you're race baiting. You're doing a little race baiting and maybe, you know, kind of prize the color of your skin. And then unironically thinks North Korea is a totally reasonable country. I mean, I think that the reason North Korea is the way it is, is understandable. It has to do with, like, making up fake borders and, like, bombing relentlessly an entire group of people assassinating its political leaders and just leaving it as a rubble heap. And then something that we don't really like or can really predict is born out of that.
Starting point is 01:24:09 Seems reasonable to me. Yeah. I mean, this is what I clearly didn't listen to my bad Hamas Barra. because I actually used North Korea as an example of something bad that Hamas created. Yeah, no. What you meant to do is it's something good
Starting point is 01:24:24 that Israel created. That's right. North Korea us. North Korea us. But yeah, there's something about like an Israeli criticizing North Korea. At this point, I'm just like, come on, you guys,
Starting point is 01:24:40 you do the whole stereotype. Kim, Jim, John, Kim Jong-Ilan. Right. It's like instead of, you know, Jucci or whatever is their religion, you know, they've supplanted Zionism
Starting point is 01:24:54 and a perverse form of Judaism that's mixed with Zionism. I mean, something I saw at the protest yesterday was they have no sense of irony. It's like, they were yelling at all these Palestinian-Americans like, go back to the Middle East. And they're like, we're trying to.
Starting point is 01:25:10 It's like no sense of irony at all. There's a level of like brainworms that, like, a culture can have that makes them completely impervious to scorn for saying the dumbest possible thing. Like, they don't understand irony. So therefore, when they say the dumbest, most ironic thing, you can't even be like, I'm trying to go back if you're a Palestinian. And they're just like, what? Shut up. It's like arguing with anyone in the idiocracy world, you know? I hate using that as an example because it's, it's so, overdone, but, like, it is
Starting point is 01:25:47 the exact same thing. You're just like, what? And then you say that, you know, they look like an R word. Do you have any of the others? Oh, I have all of them, dog. Let's look at them all. Okay, so this is, I think, my favorite.
Starting point is 01:26:03 It's Irish, which is just a black guy. Red fox or something. Yeah. This is the most Irish-looking man I've seen It's a low jack of It might be fat Joe I'm not sure
Starting point is 01:26:19 But it's like Very much like I don't know The gangs of New York Level of anti-Irish racism Whereas like This is old school dog Perhaps
Starting point is 01:26:30 Perhaps this is the Ever elusive leprechaun you find At the Antrimbo Yeah right The two points that are under This anti-Zionist archetype is Quote
Starting point is 01:26:42 We were once occupied too. That's why we support Palestine. Second point is has no other real arguments. Needs no other real arguments, motherfucker. That is a sufficient argument. Name one
Starting point is 01:26:59 thing outside of you were also colonized by a brutal people that another reason why that were bad. The Irish are famous for generalizing occupation. Oh, because yours was brutal and bad. this brutal bad one shouldn't exist.
Starting point is 01:27:15 Yeah. You have no other reason to hate us other than. And also, this is just an admission that you're occupiers. I love that. It's like, oh, yeah, we're a brutal occupation and contravention of international law. What else you got, loser? That's all the heat you're bringing. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:37 Oh, you hate Israel? Name three of their war crimes. It's like, okay. That would be a challenge. Yes. Name eight would be an easier question. Other than occupation. I mean, listen, I'm sorry to do this on the podcast,
Starting point is 01:27:55 but it's time to officially announce the Irish. You're no longer white. You're back to your no Irish need apply days. And I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to do it to you. Better get to that tanning salon there, Mr. Tyg. Yeah, get that tan tag.
Starting point is 01:28:13 calling you out. You do not match the photo. You do not match the caricature. I need you to work harder and gain some weight, too. I love this fucking picture. Oh, Perkissette. Molly Perkissette. Super size me, boy. It was all a dream.
Starting point is 01:28:33 I used to read Bordup magazine. All right. And then we also, I mean, we have this is Western Paddy Maloney and Cheney O'Connor up in the magazine. There we go. So
Starting point is 01:28:50 we've got the Western LGBT community. The points are... That is a Bowser expression. Yeah. That is so damn confused was point one. Maybe some of them are. I mean, we all
Starting point is 01:29:06 deal with confusion. Yeah. Like, I mean, I'm mostly confused by your usage of corroborate what the fuck are you talking about yeah so it's like you're agreeing with me or aren't you yeah
Starting point is 01:29:20 it is yeah so copes by thinking that Palestine is more liberal than it than it really is doesn't want to talk about about why LGBT
Starting point is 01:29:32 Palestinian seek asylum in Israel and if you've ever talked to any LGBTQ Palestinian the idea that they're lining up in droves to go seek asylum in Israel specifically because they're like, oh, I'm afraid of being hate crime is the most laughable idea of all time.
Starting point is 01:30:01 It's just like... Although as asylum seeker would be a really good grinder profile name. That is very good. Asylum Seeker. You know, the Secret Service wishes, that Hamas had been there on the day. You know why? Why?
Starting point is 01:30:16 Throw people off the roof. They would have thrown them off the roof, of course. Okay, and there's a few more, I mean, this one is just insane. Neo-Nazi. Wait, wait. Is he going up that old Chappelle show sketch, the black white supremacist? Yeah, it's the black-white supremacist. So incredibly racist.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Hates Israel only because it is run by Jews. hates Jews, but hates Arabs equally as much, joins pro-Palestinian rallies because they can finally spew hatred without being silenced. Now, I'll give them this. There's absolutely a type of neo-Nazi that falls into this category. And they launder their, you know, their hatred through anti-Zionism. The problem is, is you made him a black guy for no reason when he would look exactly like
Starting point is 01:31:10 Aiden, the guy who fucking made this post. Like, I'm sorry. He didn't want to insult other white supremacists by making it a white guy. So he's like, no, I'll make it, I'll make it a black guy. I mean, the thing about all of these WoJack figures, there's just so much to unpack with the imagery itself. Like, if you bring this back up, like he's got an X logo, the Twitter logo right there. Yes. And that is true.
Starting point is 01:31:40 There are a bunch of neo-Nazis all over Twitter. 100% all over Twitter. And you also see that, you know, it's got like some of the, the different like very online neo-Nazi like emojis, there's a cross, there's the lightning bolts and all that stuff. And it's, you know, it almost works if he didn't make it randomly a black guy and then go on to defend it because that's the other thing is like, Me calling out this image blew up on Twitter and made a bunch of Zionists mad. So now they're trying to do Hezbara for why this racist meme is actually accurate.
Starting point is 01:32:21 And one of them is that, no, it's because black people are neo-Nazis. And I'm like, I really think your view of Nazi at this point is so warped that you're doing Nazi. Like, you are actually a Nazi. the real KKK members are all these damn blood and crypts gangs. We've got to kill them all. It's like, oh, my God. They certainly do not see where they've gotten to and who they become. That's right.
Starting point is 01:32:53 Crazy Jews. Finally, Daniel, it's us. He's got us here. As a Jew us, as a Jew, us. You guys are so smug. Yeah, look at us. Look at us. I have a thing or two to say about Israel. In my graduate seminar, we were just,
Starting point is 01:33:22 we're having a Shabbat colloquium. If you'd like to come over, we'll break Chala and hate on Israel for no reason other than we're beta males. Yeah. They have the, it says, thinks they have moral superiority to talk on the subject. We do, but only because you're so morally retrograde? Yes. Like generally speaking, like,
Starting point is 01:33:45 just relative to like normal people, we have no moral superiority. Probably less average, but compared to you? Yeah, you've given moral superiority like we're on easy mode in terms of moral superiority. All he... This is a cyst mode, absolutely. Yes, it's like a game genie for moral
Starting point is 01:34:01 superiority. It's like, yeah. You have a five second window to parry with the shield, you know. Come on, man. You've made it too easy for us by just not being pro-apartheid and pro-genocide. And then just wants to be accepted by their non-Jewish peers, which is a strange one to me. Because to me, that comes, that's very Israeli. That is what that is. Because there are, of course, Jews in the United States and, you know, diaspora Jews all over the world who are insular and have only Jewish peers, but I would say the vast majority, the vast majority have non-Jewish peers and are, of course, accepted by their non-Jewish peers
Starting point is 01:34:50 for the most part. To me, only in Israeli could see the idea of acceptance by anyone as being like a false. Like you're just trying to impress the rest of the world by being against genocide. And it's like, I'd rather want to be accepted by my non-Jewish peers, i.e. friends and loved ones and people I respect, then want to emulate my non-Jewish persecutors and oppressors. Right. What y'all do. Exactly. And that's what Zionism was. It's an assimil it's actually an assimilationist movement. A hundred percent. Simulating into settler colonialism. Yes. Into white supremacy, into Eurocentrism. Yes. You want to be included in the company of nations.
Starting point is 01:35:40 That's right. That's right. That sublimate their individuality and their more principles into nationhood. Yes. Congratulations. Yeah. Congratulations. You did it.
Starting point is 01:35:49 You've assimilated into being a colonial power. Victor Orban loves you. Yes. Congrats. Still bitter that they didn't get to go on a birthright trip. For anyone who listens to this podcast, you know, that that one does not apply to me as birthright is kind of what made me an anti-Zionist and i do you i do you about 20 times better because i spent 10 months that's right yeah yeah i had a plenty of
Starting point is 01:36:19 opportunity to find out what israel is about to fall in love with it forever to have all of the anti-zionist hokom debunked and it didn't quite do the trick it didn't take well you know as an as an outsider it just seems like maybe you guys didn't go to all the right EDM clubs. I think that's what happened. If I had been on birthright before I got sober, see, this is a problem. Yeah, just sweating on Molly the whole time. Exactly. If I had just been able to go to a Tel Aviv nightclub and just have some of the best cherry tomatoes that I've ever tasted. I will grant them this. They called you and me beta midgets and all this kind of shit. I didn't get laid once on kibbutz. It just didn't happen for all of my, all of my, uh,
Starting point is 01:37:05 North American Jewish girl friends. None of them were my girlfriends. Because they were all hooking up with Israeli soldiers at the disco on Friday night. And I will admit, I fucking hated it and resented it. And that is definitely somewhere in my psychology. I'm sorry, Palestinians. I'd like to say that it's all more principle. It's all human compassion.
Starting point is 01:37:27 It's all solidarity. No, from the river to the sea, you B words cheated on me. That's all it is. Hey man. Hey, in the end, we're just a bunch of dudes being guys. Like, how did I get? What was like one of the main things that I got through the ass pain that was a special operation selection.
Starting point is 01:37:54 Oh, the hope that I may be getting laid eventually sometime in the future. Exactly. Having a story to tell a girl on a date, you know? Yeah. It's like, that's half the reason we do anything. And, you know, do you think I'm cool now? So, yeah, I get it. Yeah. And, you know, I get it.
Starting point is 01:38:13 I get it. I get it. You don't, you don't fuck on the first date. But I've I told you about the time I exploded a person's dual use complex. And a little girl came out. And I was like, you know what? You can live. Yeah. So.
Starting point is 01:38:30 And then then. Don't fuck later. And also here's me being. Buffalo Bill and her mom's laundry lingerie. Look at this funny content I made. Do you see how I'm yelling with the lotion in the basket
Starting point is 01:38:44 or it gets the hose again? Here. Now let me sing for you. Goodbye horses. Oh, man. Yeah, so the point being that birthright or being on a kibbutz
Starting point is 01:39:02 for 11 months at a Zionist summer camp is something that we experience and yet we still became as a jews well and it might not be an in spite of situation it might be a owing to situation oh 100% you know these people have no fucking idea yeah or maybe they do and they're just in denial how many people get radicalized towards Palestinian solidarity by virtue of having been exposed to this fucking Zionist propaganda Yes, exactly. Because some of us have critical faculties. Some of us love being North American Jews and are proud of Yiddish culture
Starting point is 01:39:39 and are proud of other aspects of Jewish culture and artistic achievement and a kind of humanist view and philosophy and achievements in science and the arts that Israel wants to negate and obviate, okay? And some of us take offense at the notion, boy, oh boy, am I getting steamed up here. Yeah, yeah, get steamed. Yeah. Some of us take offense at the notion that our kind of Jewishness is something. how inferior to the Jewishness of a bunch of fucking bunker dwelling racists, many of whom are
Starting point is 01:40:10 in the desert where they don't belong, others of whom are in a different desert than where their family started out and got their culture wiped out, and it's this artificial country and we're supposed to fucking worship it from afar, a long distance, collect call kind of worship culture, but don't you dare have an opinion about it, you little too? And some of us said, you know what that's not so pleasant i think not i'm up a hundred percent a hundred percent and beautiful rant i i i want you to rant more because the one thing about you daniel is your cogent all the way through whereas i forget what i was talking about two sentences well given that we're probably not going to have dennis miller on the podcast it is up to me to
Starting point is 01:40:54 provide the rant that's right yeah and my rants uh are mostly come-based sex-based, you know, generally disgusting. Although I will have a real quick rant, and I want to get into this on another podcast because we are running out of time. But the last thing I'll say about Aiden and like this type of like Zionist poster in Israeli is that I think I'm tired officially of any Israeli, any Zionist Israeli who is
Starting point is 01:41:30 talking about anti-Semitism as if they've experienced the power dynamic that creates anti-Semitism, let's put the Kaibash on this. If you're an Israeli person, you're living in a society in which you are at the top tier here.
Starting point is 01:41:46 So anti-Semitism historically has not been something in which you could say that Jews were at the top tier and then causing anti-Semitism upon themselves or had to deal with it like an anti-white racism in America what I put in quotes. So just the idea that this
Starting point is 01:42:06 this constant you know pointing out of anti-Semitism throughout you know the fear of anti-Semitism and the kind of the idea of the Israelis safeguarding the world against anti-Semitism I just am done
Starting point is 01:42:23 allowing them to continue this line of rhetoric as they actually do not have to experience anti-Semitism nor have any of the ones who were born and raised there, the Sabras, don't know a fucking thing about it. If you left Israel, I feel like then you could understand the world outside of Israel
Starting point is 01:42:44 is not a Jewish supremacist state. It is something in which you might actually be a bit afraid to experience anti-Semitism. It's a pluralistic supremacist state. Yes, exactly. And so, you know, just seeing it weaponized and is just one of those things that we just kind of allow without giving a second to analyze the idea that maybe they don't know what the fuck they're talking about because this is like, it's like saying you're, you know, you just got reverse racism in America as a white person. It's just like the power structure is really the defining aspect of racism here. I don't know, Matt.
Starting point is 01:43:29 I don't know. I heard a story of, you know, a group of Israeli soldiers showed up just with the simple, benevolent intention to bulldoze a Palestinian home, which is to say, uphold the law. Uphold the law in the West Bank, uphold Ottoman law, which, as we know, the Turks were reasonable people whose laws were, you know, I think we can all agree or we're good. Justin. And they showed up, and a Palestinian mother came out of the house. And she said, my daughter is having her birthday party right now.
Starting point is 01:44:02 No soldiers allowed. Well, every single one of those soldiers was Jewish, Matt. And now what does that remind you of? Jim Crow. Yeah. The signs in South Africa, you know, the segregated beaches? I retract my previous statement. It is actually anti-Semitic to yell at an Israeli soldier who's bulldozing your house.
Starting point is 01:44:25 In the same way, it is anti-white to not allow a white man to use a water fountain that says colored only. Like that is racism against white people. Everyone knows that. It's also racist against white people that they can't say the word colored anymore. That's right. It's also racist, but I feel like maybe hot take, this problem would be solved. if actually Israelis were more racist because speaking right because you know a white guy in jim crow south would never even want to drink from a segregated water fountain that's it's gross so maybe
Starting point is 01:45:02 they just need to be more racist and it would solve the entire problem i think that's it seems like that's what they're trying out you think do you think jim crow whites were trying to take over black homes. They were just making sure that they were not moving into those neighborhoods. That's exactly. And redlining. So maybe we've got this backwards. That's all I'm saying. Maybe we just need more
Starting point is 01:45:26 racism. That's right. Maybe they're doing Jim Crow right. And I think that is a good place to leave this episode. How bad as far? Greg. Thank you so much
Starting point is 01:45:40 for coming on the podcast and talking with us. Where can people find you and what is the name of your podcast again so we can plug it for everybody and why isn't it stoked yeah well i don't know uh we're just trying to that might be the next thing uh you know i got a sick burn from someone yesterday or from a troll a few weeks ago it was just basically said discount brendan fraser has opinions so i think that might be my third podcast discount brandon Pinscher has opinions is a really good podcast. Yeah, yeah, I was like, oh, that's a good one.
Starting point is 01:46:16 Okay, so we're on colonial outcasts, so that we do anti-imperialist stuff. We call it the anti-imperialist podcast, your uncle will hate. So that's on YouTube and all like the listening apps. And then I'm also just started with Met Press. I do a show called State of Play, and that's twice a week. So those are the two places. All right. Thanks, y'all.
Starting point is 01:46:39 And a grin, thanks you so much for having me. been a great time. It's been fantastic. I learned so much. Yeah, same. And Matt, do you feel like our episodes are getting less and less, oh, let's just do the topical Twitter reel of the week and more and more like let's actually learn some shit from like people who are real specialists and like the David Sheen. Aaron brought some cool shit. Like it's getting more and more educational, I feel like. Yeah, I know. And, you know, it's getting further and further away from the premise of the show, which is me pressing. a soundboard and
Starting point is 01:47:12 you doing a pun, which is either a good thing or a bad thing. I don't really know. Some of our fans want to grow with us, and some of us can just go back and listen to the first six episodes on repeat. My final thought is, like, if you are getting more
Starting point is 01:47:29 sophisticated over time, you are bad Hasbara, because good Hasbara does not evolve. That's right. That's a very good point. On a meta level, we are doing it correctly. So we are doing bad Hezbara by doing good Hasbara. I think I'm having a stroke. And on the level of meta, don't say Zionist.
Starting point is 01:47:50 That's right. Yes. Z word, please. Thank you, everybody, for listening. Patreon.com slash badhasbara. Please join and subscribe or email us, badhasbara, gmail.com with any questions or comments or concerns. and all right Daniel take us out and we have a good one from producer Adam here
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