Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 46: Stealing Pallor, with Jess Salomon

Episode Date: August 26, 2024

NOTE: Sorry we were so late with this week's slop my beautiful hogs. There will be extra make-up slop in the coming weeks for you to stick your snouts into. I swear.Matt and Daniel are joined by comedian and former United Nations war crimes attorney Jess Salomon to discuss arboreal colonialism, the Democratic National Convention’s aversion to Palestinian speakers, and a particularly cursed rendition of Bone Thugs-n-Harmony’s Crossroads where all the words were said.Watch Jess’ new special “Sad Witch,” out September 24, 2024 at https://youtube.com/@800pgm or find all of her info at https://jesssalomon.com/Subscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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comments on individual episodes some of them are great some of them uh are suggestions and to the suggestion people uh we have we have a suggestion for you about that's right maybe we suggest shut shut shut the fuck up maybe shut the fuck up maybe shut the fuck up maybe you shut the fuck up stop interrupting us how about that motherfucker uh i also want to thank everyone who came out to uh see francesca and i over in chicago uh we were uh doing some shows at the lincoln lodge uh we did a live bituation room uh ex bed hasbarah in which uh we mostly talked about was going on at dnc and then i thought both of your speeches were marvelous oh it was great it was really moving when she introduced you

I thought she was going to headline but it was big of her to let you go second that's right that's right she introduced me and she allowed me to say what I've been saying which is that Kamala Harris has been working tirelessly for a Z fire she's so exhausted she's been working so tirelessly although someone someone on I think it was Instagram

pointed out that you could plausibly say, just like you could plausibly say that Israel isn't committing a genocide, you could plausibly say that she's tireless because you don't get tired when you're not doing anything. That's so true. That's true. There's no tired. Yeah, she's not tired at all because she's not been doing nothing. So, you know, this is the thing about Zionism. It runs on semantics. And so technically, it's totally plausible that she's, She has been working tirelessly for a ceasefire. So, therefore, it is okay to say that out loud, and it's not a lie.

Because what is a lie than just a version of the truth that is anti-Semitic? Daniel, I'm so excited for today's episode. So am I. Can we do the what's the spin segment? Oh, that's right. Daniel, can you tell me what's spinning? with you. Wait,

how did you want me to do this? What's the spin? Hey, Daniel, can you tell me what's the spin? Well, currently, Matt Leib, the spin is Fela Sol, this wonderful mashup

by E.J. America Gazawa with De La Sol mixed with Felakuti, really cool stuff. Nice, nice, nice. I got bone thugs in Harmony E-1999 Eternal, which I had to get

after I saw the funniest freaking, and it might have been AI. I don't know. Or it was an Arnold Schwarzenegger impersonator. Yeah, yeah. But it actually could have been AI. If it was, it was the best thing I've ever heard from AI. It was Arnold Schwarzenegger singing The Crossroads. You have to go find it people, you know. And I'm going to miss everybody. I'm going to miss everybody. I'm going to miss my uncle cows, y'all. What's you going to do when they ain't nowhere to run?

Like the least conducive voice and accent for that. That kind of rhythmic syncopated. For a busy bone, melodic verse. That's exactly right. What else if I got? I got, all this just came in the mail just now. The door is waiting for the sun. Oh, yeah.

Great classic. Classic. Aesop Rock. Allison Chains, Jar of Flies, The Prodigy, Laura Neo, Niro, Black Alicious, train spotting soundtrack. A lot of good stuff today. A lot of good stuff.

I love East 1999 Eternal, man. That's like a classic record. You know, here's the thing. Daniel, is you and I, we're still getting to know each other. So in a little, did you know, segment, did you know that I consider myself to be the world's most foremost bone thugs and harmony acoustic one-man cover band? No way. Yes. I did not know that. Yes. Before I started comedy, I would busk on H Street and I would only play bone thugs. songs and I learned like nine of them.

Acapella? Acapella. Well, no, on guitar, you know, I would play, I would figure out kind of a version of like the chord progression and I would learn all the lyrics and do them all. Okay, now we have something to break out at a live show. Yeah, no, I can always do that. Here's a problem. This was at a different time, ladies and gentlemen.

So there may have been a time. And also, let me be clear. This is, I was still, you know, growing and learning. and I wasn't on drugs anymore, but I was barely off them. So all this to say, I may have... You were still under the influence, not the direct immediate influence, but the long term influence. I was still recovering from the trauma, right?

You understand that. This is all a long way of saying I may have done all of the lyrics, including the ones I'm not supposed to do. This was more than 12 years ago, so I think we can all say, hey, he was young. He was dumb, he was full of calm. I now don't do all the lyrics. I've, yeah, I understood.

At hip-hop karaoke, the protocol was people who look like us would say brother. Yeah, no, some guys would try to be, or gals, would try to be all clever, and they'd say ninja, and people would be like, eh, okay, fine. But people were really respectful. I never did any bone thugs songs. I did do, however, the first verse of notorious thugs. I did Biggie's verse. Yeah.

And I can probably still. Ain't too many can bang with us. Straight up, we know angel to us. label us notorious thug guys brothers that love thuggas brothers that love to bust seem strange to us y'all brothers be gambling

scrambling up in restaurants with mandolins and violins we're just sitting here trying to win trying not to spin high up weed and lots of oxygen so much smoke meat oxygen suddenly getting to Benjamin's brother you should too

if you knew what this game will do to you been in this game since 92 look at all the bullshit I've been through yeah yeah everyone's going to fuck that I'm so sorry there's a huge amount of listeners who are just like,

hmm, never mind. I'm sorry, man. I don't want to live in a world where any wonderful music is off limits for us to do a sing-along. That's a campfire sing-along song I ever heard one. And there's nothing

Jews like us, Ashkenazi, North American Jews are better at than Campfire Sing-Aongs. Or as we called them in Zionist circles, kum sits, which I think is Yiddish for come and sit. come and sit that's right which is different than sit and come yeah well let's say i think i had no thing or two about sitting is just still in the green room just actually left yeah uh no but let's get to our guest and hopefully uh they will spit averse themselves uh so our guest for this episode is

an anti-zionist jew a former u.n war crimes lawyer uh and stand-up comedian who has a special coming out on September 24th called SED, which it is going to be great. You will buy that special. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome Jess Solomon. Hey. It's nice to come sit with you, guys. Hey, thank you. Thank you for coming and sitting with us.

How are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm happy to be on this podcast. It's like one of my faves. So, yeah, I've been really excited about it. Well, you're one of our faves, so it's great to have a lot. That means a lot. Likewise.

We don't go as far back as you and Matt, but. Yeah, all the way back to December 12th. All the way, yeah, all the many months to go. Honestly, it feels like years. I wonder why that is. Yeah, genocide time moves slow. It ages you, dude. That's crazy.

I mean, it's been tireless, yeah. Yeah. My beard used to be blonde back in September of last year. Yeah. And I, you know, September of last year, I was doing bone thugs songs with all the lyrics, even the bad ones. I love this image of you busking on the street like that. It's sort of like the only person I kind of think of busking that then like became a musician is Justin Bieber.

But it was like totally not a post drug still kind of under the influence of how bone thugs, you know, acoustic thing that he was doing. Oh, Adam says this is jewel eraser. Erasure. Does that mean Jewel? Did Jewel used to busk? Man. I guess she did. Up in Alaska.

Oh, that's right. She's Alaskan. But was she discovered, like, by busking? I mean, who knows? I'm not going to read the Wikipedia page. I have a question for each of you. Jess, have you been to Stratford, Ontario, where, like, every store is dedicated to, isn't that his hometown? Justin Bieber's hometown?

Is that where they do all the Shakespeare? Yeah. Like all the plays? Yeah, I went with school. I think he's from there. Yeah. So they have stores that are like, like, I went to Dubrovnik. in Croatia, and it's all Game of Thrones style.

Oh, sick. Justin Bieber's a theme there. Matt, for you, it would be one thing if you were spitting all the lyrics like... Regular style? Well, no. And putting them out on the internet. But you were doing live on the street in what city was it? The Bay Area?

San Francisco, yeah. San Francisco, not okay. But still San Francisco, which is not an entirely segregated city, somewhat. What was the reaction back then? Are we in the pre-woke period, and people just enjoyed it? People mostly just enjoyed it. And then the first time I ever got any pushback, I said, oh, yeah, that's, you're, you're right. It's when I think I was at Rock the Bells in Oakland, not performing at it, performing outside of it.

At an actual hip-hop festival. Yeah. And then someone said, hey, don't say that word. And I was like, oh, oh, oh. oh you're right you're right you're right I see now it was like one of those I like how you corrected yourself from you right

to you are right yeah you're right you are right you are correct sir I am sorry but yeah I it was it was one of those things where there was some people who would like there was a video that was put online and some people were were mad about it

and then others would be like well on the other hand he did learn all the lyrics and and he's also doing all the voices like like a really a really explicit children's book you know narrator so jess i want to ask you as someone who's a former u.n. war crimes lawyer um thank you for ending war crimes by the way yeah first of all thank you for ending the war crimes and second of all is it a war crime that i did all of the bone thugs lyrics. Yeah, I think so. It's really more of a crime against humanity, I would categorize it is.

Fair, fair, fair, fair, fair. Second question I have for you is, like, so what's up? Tell me about yourself. So you are. I have a picture with Gavin McKinnis on the internet. That's one thing I want to get ahead of, since we're all doing that. Back in your vice days? I mean, unfortunately, no, like much later than that, after he wasn't with advice anymore, when I got to New York, I went on his podcast. He had a two podcasts. And I got to New York and I was like just saying yes to everything. It was like, I think pre-prab boys, but already like very objectionable podcast. The first one was very racist against black people. And then the second one was like a sort of Canadian themed one. And the picture with him, he's wearing like a lumber, like a lumberjack kind of like Canadian.

and maple syrup logger type of look. And yeah, people, I once wrote something about the problem. And then somebody, like, posted the picture of me with him. He's a lumberjack and he's okay. He works all night and he hates immigrants, eh? Exactly. That was the theme of the podcast, the theme song. Yeah, what can I tell you about myself?

I was, yeah, I'm an anti-Zine as Jew at this point, but I wasn't always, of course. And, you know, because I grew up, I'm from Montreal. I'm from the French part of Canada. So that's why I'm hot. Trebon. Hello, be anewo, a podcast, Jess. Alou, Tabernac, Casabara Mall. Ben-we.

Hasbara. Hasbara. I love that. It's called your segment's called Spin. It's like, that's so Hasbara. It works. Yeah, it really works. It really works.

And I Yeah I don't know in terms of like Jewish education How much you wanted that But I didn't I grew up in like Pretty Waspe neighborhood

And only like a couple of We're only a couple of Jews in my school Which neighborhood? In Westmount Shout out to Westmount Shout out to Westmount Shout out to Weston It's not like such a cool

It's very much not a cool neighborhood It's only like in New York Where people are like born and raised Brooklyn But like you're never like Canada Born and raised you know it's not Yeah

Yeah, yeah. Westmount's a great area to walk in. You come down off the mountain. That's beautiful. It's gorgeous. In west of Mount, born and raised on the playground where I spent most of my days. No, I grew up, like, my accent in French is like, is not, I went to English school and all my friends were English. And so it's weird to say, but yeah, grew up in a like the minority, the English-speaking minority.

Yeah, and so people always thought I was a tourist, especially later on I lived in Old Montreal, which is super touristy. And so people would be like, wow, you're just, you know, really, because if I was from the U.S., it was good, you know, and they're like, keep it up, keep practicing, you know, and eventually I was just like, you have a beautiful city, like, where do you think I should go? Yeah. Yeah, but I, yeah, I, and I like that I would go back to my apartment around the corner. Yeah, go there, yeah. Yeah. So you grew up, you know, not in a Jewish neighborhood, but you grew up, you grew up, you know, a, you grew up. religiously Jewish?

Um, or no? I, I, I, we did like the, we did the big holidays and we had Shabbat dinner. Mm-hmm. Um, but it was really just about, yeah, like the family, the food. Right. I'd go to synagogue for the high holidays. Right. Um, and we had satyrs. And that was like kind of, I think the whole, yeah, that was pretty much the whole thing. I wouldn't say that we were religious. We weren't, you know, kosher. Um, my parents didn't go to Jewish school. So there wasn't like a lot of talk about like the religion itself, but it was sort of like more about the ritual.

Are both your parents Jewish? Yeah, they're both Jewish. But your mom is from a surprising place looking at you, right? Yeah, my mom is from Peru. So yeah. Yeah, they do have Jews in Peru. So Peru, my mom's side, my grandparents came from Egypt and Poland. So I'm a quarter Sephardic, which is also not evident looking at me. And my dad's family is. And my dad's family is Eastern European Ashkenazi in Montreal for several generations. Yeah. And so what was the role of Zionism growing up in your family? And like when you say you grew up Zionist or you weren't always anti-Zionist, what do you mean by that? I mean, I think I just had like the regular kind of indoctrination.

Like it's kind of crazy to me like how much I absorbed it considering I didn't go to like Zionist camp. or Jewish school, but I did have after school, Hebrew school, until like the But Mitzvah age. And that's where I kind of, yeah, had that same kind of story of the history. And I mean, really, it's, I was just like a very sensitive kid and I really listened a lot. So it, I absorbed and took everything really seriously.

Yeah, bad idea in a sinus context. You're not supposed to do that. No, like my sister was like bad at school. And like, yeah, my sister just didn't really care. listen and so in a way she like doesn't remember it it doesn't feel like as betrayed necessarily but for me like i really cared about that you know planting trees in israel because like the environment who doesn't like trees yeah and then you know raising money and like i was really like you know very sincere in that way um but the story of you know i also felt quite traumatized

honestly by the holocaust um that was like very affecting for me going to holocaust museums I'm learning, because I almost like, I feel like my memory of it is that I learned about the Holocaust at the same time that I learned I was Jewish. Like, I don't know how old I was. Like, I might have had an idea that I was Jewish, but that really drove the point home that, like, you're this thing that people wanted to get rid of. Yeah. And it could happen again any moment. And there's nothing you can do about it. Like, there's nothing, you can't, you can't change it. They're going to know. And because I was like in such a, in a school with, like, so few Jewish kids, there was a movie. I don't know if it was a revoir.

was like this Holocaust movie where there's this scene that the like the Nazis coming to the school and they go, the kids are all in the gym and then they ask the kids like who are the Jewish kids and they don't know that that's a bad thing. So they just like look at the Jewish kids and then they're like they take those kids. So I was like really always thinking this was going to happen. Like all my nightmares were about Nazis. And then of course you learn about along with that is the next part of the story. You know, which is because, like, we're, the way that you learn history,

we're like the, you know, the main character in, like, a horror movie, basically. Right. So it's like, you learn about this horrible thing about the Nazis. And then it's like, but then we got our own country. We got a safe space. Yeah, the Holocaust is Empire Strikes back. And then it comes Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks are dancing around saying, yubnub, we got a Jewish state.

Ben Gurian just yubnubbing. to see. He looks like a U-Wox. It does. It actually works. We will win the villages. We will beat the

Alps states by tying two tree stumps together, and then they will hit right in the middle. That's great. Oh, that's a good trick. I kind of always thought of it like as this scene in the whole, because you know, they tell you about this like safe haven homeland for Jewish people and and then the next line is like

and immediately we were attacked by everybody nobody wants us to exist and you know and you're like what the fuck like yeah yeah like man we can't catch a break yeah and you're like is this why am I do I have to be this like is this you know they're like and by the way you're I was just thinking about everybody always picking on me I was thinking about this uh with regards to the ending of Schindler's list, because I think, like, I find that to be now as I, you know, grow older more and more, like, unfortunate and almost even insidious. And, you know, Schindler's list, I do think is one of the greatest, if not the greatest Holocaust movie. Not Inglorious Bastards, which just turned 15 years old today? I do love that. I think that's up there. But that's less

of a Holocaust movie. I mean, in terms of historical accuracy, you can't get better than Inglorious bastards. Yeah, well, it's interesting because they both have kind of this like made up ending. Yeah, it's true. So I remember in the movie, it ends with the wars over and all of the Schindler Jews are waiting, I think, outside of a, outside of the factory. And a red army soldier comes in and says, you are now liberated. And then says, you know, they say, where should we go? And he says, well don't don't go east they hate you there well i wouldn't go west either and i keep thinking about that i wouldn't go west either part and i'm going like wait what okay like i think you not going east i could get at least on in some aspect of like you know uh russian and eastern

block anti-semitism obviously exists and so does like western anti-semitism but it's one of those things where it's like we had no choice go south yeah north or south Yeah. Northern South also works. Land is unpopulated there. Yeah, but I just, I don't know, there's something about that. I wouldn't go west either. And I just think about like, you know, my own relatives and, you know, a lot of other people's Jewish people's relatives who lived in the United States or went to Canada. And I'm like, no, it's actually a pretty good, pretty good choice. I don't know, you know, I was just something about that just like irks me. But my only relative who went to. Palestine, my grandfather's younger brother, Ralph Moster, died, was shot down as an Israeli or a Haganah Air Force pilot, and he died in the 1948 war. I've never said that publicly, but fucking Zionists, you come at me, I lost a fucking relative. I never had a great uncle because of the 1948 war. And still somehow, I'm able to see that war.

differently than you do. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. And I can, I can, you know, have some empathy for where he was coming from and the way he saw things. And at the same time, be like, he was kind of fighting for the bad guys, or at least among the bad guys. Yeah, and then, I mean, just also, like, you know,

come to think of it, the decision not to go east or west, but instead to go directly to Palestine, has caused even more generational trauma for the Jews than if they had just not done that. And so I'm like, hey, you know, maybe it wasn't a, maybe they shouldn't have listened to that Russian guy at the end of Schindler's list, that's all I'm saying. What do you mean? They're doing fine. They're absolutely fine.

Yeah. It's, hey, it's our own country, safest place in the world for Jews, except for those times where it's not. Jess, did you realize you were questioning Zionism before or after you realized? as you were gay. Like, which coming out to yourself? Yeah. The, the, the, the coming out, gay was before, yeah. So Zionism is not a born this way kind of situation. No, but it, you know what, I will say that coming out as an anti-Zionist Jew is, is like the most gay experience I've had. Tell us about that. It's the gayest thing. It's so gay to come out as an anti-Zionist Jew. No, for now, you're like, you're marching, your family hates you.

You have to find chosen family. You got a whole new flag. It's just the Hamas flag. And they're like, why are you acting up? Yeah. No, exactly. It's act up. It's the whole thing.

Because, like, you know, when you come out, I mean, like, at my age, like, when I came out, it wasn't, like, such a big deal, you know? I mean, like, of course it was it was not what my parents wanted to hear. but it was better than anti-Zion. Like, I feel like Jewish parents will eventually accept any sexual orientation or gender expression. Like, they will eventually get up with that. But anti-Zionism is, like, the one identity that, I feel like it's, like, coming out, like, how it was decades ago when it was really bad. Right.

You know, like, when they were real consequences. What was their response to it? I mean, and contrasts it with what the response to it was when you came out of the closet as a gay person. I think it was like there's sort of an expectation that, like, you can't shun the kid for being gay. Like, it's like not acceptable, really. And so it's more like just sort of a sadness around like, oh, I had this idea of your life being in this way where you marry a man and you have babies and whatever. and so like it's kind of they're just sort of wrestling with that being lost maybe like you're not going to help with the continuance of our people but at least you're not contributing

to the killing of our people right right right right yeah right no one's like you're a traitor to straight people you're a traitor to the straits you capos gayerling if I was the type to make puns I would point out that in at least Israeli Hebrew slang is it's I don't know but I don't think it's the actual word yeah slang word for penis is zine which is a letter in the alphabet. So, better for you to be an anti-Zionist than an anti-Zionist, if I was the pun-prone type. Very, I'm anti-Zionism and anti-Penist, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're both.

Yeah, no, and also, like, I came out as bisexual, which is sort of like, that's even kind, that is kind of like worse because they're like, oh, but so you don't have to, like, you know, like right. It's kind of like being a liberal Zionist. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just like a fig leaf to, like. I believe that apartheid should happen, but I also believe you should be sad about it. Yeah, it's such a like middle ground kind of like.

I don't think Palestinians should speak at the DNC, but I like it when hostage families mention the people in Gaza as human beings. Yeah. When they speak at the DNC. You know, they're human. I just don't want to hear from them. Yeah. You know, simple.

So, and also that was like, and then, you know, complicated by the, the woman I was dating was a lot older. She was Jewish, though. But there was like, so there were like those other factors. And I wasn't like, oh, and it's Rachel Maddow or something. Yeah, you know, like, I don't know. Somebody that they'd be like, wow, okay, you know, like, or I don't know why. Anyways, she's not Jewish, but.

Rachel Maddow, come on Bad Hasbro. Shut out, Rachel Maddow. We're calling it, Bad Lesborough. Oh shit, episode title. Oh, man. That's awesome. But yeah, the anti-Zionism took me a long. I didn't know.

Like, you know, I didn't know what Zionism was. Like, it was just, like, there was no representation of, like, anti-Zionists in my world. It was just, like, Zionism was, like, Israel was part of the religion. And, like, who was I to, like, question Judaism? I wasn't, like, a yeshiva student. you know like what do I like I barely what I knew what I knew more like I used to carol door to door I knew Christmas songs like I didn't go to a Christian like a Catholic school but like the default of like non-denominational or secular school was still like you know be in the bell choir in a church at Christmas and like even the Lord's Prayer when I was like younger you know right right I was like the kid that would teach everyone about like Hanukkah right at my school where they'd be like Oh, here's a Jewish kid, and then, like, someone would help me, like, light the candles and, you know. I still remember lighting the candles in grade one with my teacher, Ms. Cohen, Mrs. Cohen, Rita Cohen, who it turned out was the husband of Werner Cohen, who was the head of, like, the Canadian Jewish Congress or some major right-wing, mainstream Canadian Jewish organization.

And Canadian Jews can be even more vicious to anti-Zionist Jews than American Jews are. And my father was a prominent, you know, early anti-Zionist Jew writing, yeah, yeah, yeah, writing columns for the Globe and Mail about it. Then I remember Werner Cohen wrote articles denouncing my father. And I'm like, that's my grade one teacher's husband, you know, I really liked her, you know. So what is the relationship like with your family since coming out as anti-Zionist? Like, how did they take it? I mean, honestly, like, you know, my experience was going into comedy was all from law was like not. Sure.

Coming out as a comedian must have been pretty hard, too. I've thrown a lot at them. That was the hardest for me, for my parents. That was, I literally sat them down and told them that I was going to be quitting, getting a teaching credential and doing comedy. And my dad was so strut. He said, but you're going to fail. Which is, I think, I mean, you know, hindsight is 20-20 he was right about. What's that?

Does your dad have a Hank Hill accent? No, no, I did his voice wrong. Now, Matthew, listen here, Matthew. Yeah, but, Matthew, what the hell? What the hell are you thinking? You're not even that funny. But yeah, like, so, I mean, I imagine going from, you know, attorney to comedian, must have been hard, but then attorney to comedian to anti-Zionist Jew.

Well, anti, you know, now that I like, you know, I've been taught, I talk a lot about international law, you know, in terms of online, in terms of like, you know, explaining ICA decisions or like, you know, what genocide is actually legally speaking. And, and yeah, and that's like the first time people are like, go back to comedy, you know, like, take to comedy. finally they're saying this. Yeah, I love that. At least they can't say, what do you know about it? Right. Oh, no, but I, that's like, that's the most satisfying. That's my, like, as a Jew moment where, like, so many, I get so many people who are like, well, there's not that there's not enough people that have been killed for it to be a genocide. Like, that's literally not the how you define genocide at all. There's not, like, a number. Yeah. And in any case, it's far surpassed the number of, like, you know, whatever.

The Srebrenica massacre was like 8,000 Bosnian Muslims, and that was, there was a genocide charge there. But then, you know, they're always like, what do you know, you know? And I'm like, did you work in the Hague? Did you work in the Hague at the International Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia? Because I did, you know, like, you know, like, what do you know? Yeah, it's always like, as a war crimes lawyer and as a Jew. But, yeah, no, that's, I've gotten like people that are like, oh, and here's your. face when you find out ethnic cleansing. It's just a buzzword that watermelon people made up.

I'm like, what? Like so, yeah, so my trajectory was that I, I started like kind of understanding because, you know, I just never had considered like Palestinian people. Like it was just not, because whatever I had like an after school programming, I did go to a Jewish camp, but I don't remember any Zionism there, which is so strange. Mostly I just remember it was in the US and all the girls were from Long Island and they were all like, oh my God, I'm like, what I'm going to do? Like, the water's so cold. You know, I'm like, and they were so mean. But like, that's all like kind of, because I didn't have kids or that was like big and we

didn't have them in Canada. But I don't, so it was just after school. But then it was sort of, everything was sort of reinforced by the media and there was no internet. So it was like just a 6 and 11 p.m. news. And, and then I just, I just never like thought to question any of it, right? It was just a stuff that was up in my head. And it was just the religion.

I didn't question it. And I had this stuff that I just like, I guess I'd never read or looked up. And then I started to understand like Israel through the lens of international law. And, you know, the war crimes, the settlement enterprise and, you know, all of this. But I still like, it was not, this is so embarrassing. But it wasn't until I started doing comedy. I left the hay. I went back to Montreal.

I started doing comedy. And there's where I met my, a comedian who then became my, a comedian who then became my wife, who's Palestinian. My wife, I'm sorry. My ex-wife. My ex-wife. My ex-wife. I mean, it's like, it feels so embarrassing to be like, literally I had to, like, date a

Palestinian person. And it took a while even in our relationship because I was like, you know, I had gone through law school. I was like a lawyer in the Hague. And I wasn't used to. losing arguments, you know, and, and I hate those arguments. And so, you know, I hate to be wrong. And we would, she would say something and I'd be like, well, you guys, you know,

you never, well, you never miss an opportunity, you miss an opportunity. You never recognize Israel's right to exist, you know? And she's like, um, that's not true. And also, like has Israel ever recognized Palestine's right to exist? I'm like, obviously, because nobody talks about that. so we must have. You know, like, nobody's asked that question. So I was like, yeah, obviously we have because it's not an issue.

And also, when has a country in history ever had a quote-unquote right to exist? Yeah, but like I, and not that never had come up even in like in international law, even that I had like, that came across my desk or whatever. I'm like, right to exist. Not today. I'm too busy. I'm a loss of it. But the, but then, you know, when she asked.

the reverse question, it really, it really hit me that, like, I had no one had talked about nor had I ever considered anything from their side. And that's kind of when things sort of opened up. And we just developed, um, a rule, um, not to be like, um, Bill Maher about it. A new rule new rules. Um, we would, don't question my Zionism. New rule. New rule. Um, we would, don't question my Zionism. new rule new rule new rule tuts yeah

so I you know we would start to look things up like that was like where did you get that from because I would realize I was saying stuff and I actually had no idea

where it came from it had just been in my head it had just been up there and after a couple of times of being wrong every single time I was like wow okay

I guess I don't have any idea what I'm talking about yeah and literally like just going to wikipedia and still to this day like i go down these wikipedia holes and it's crazy the things that i come across that have been there the whole time yeah you know and i have many examples that i like to tell people about but anyways i we used to make fun of wikipedia like oh did you where did you learn that you know wikipedia but really it's like really the best starting point most i think it's the most objective for a lot for a lot of things it there's also a lot of mischief on yeah but it tells you like especially

you know I felt validated by it when they said the thing about the ADL when they're like we cannot the ADL numbers on anti-semitism aren't trustworthy went for whatever their processes where they like discuss the stuff and come to some policy and that was like oh yeah so yeah no for sure I mean I will say that it's like it's a uh uh Wikipedia can be it can be a really useful resource, especially as a starting point. And the fact that they, you know, have sourcing is really good. But there have also been many concerted attempts by the government of Israel to interfere with Wikipedia. And they have been successful multiple times in like getting a bunch of Wikipedia editors who are Israeli to kind of like try to change history or

present a both sides type thing. But it is true though that like there are levels of Hasbara that we are kind of just exposed to growing up that are um so they go unquestioned for so long that even like the both sides nature like even the israeli government isn't like well we didn't we don't actually think it's a land without people for people that'll land you know what i mean like they're like the fact that that would be in someone's head that you grow up thinking like there was no one there um isn't even the official position of the Israelis you know know i definitely was like you know sold on the idea of because it's so it's really great to like it's very affecting when you hear a story about your people in some way where you're the underdog

and you've like managed to turn this desert that had nothing into this you know tomato yeah that's right cherry tomato in fact it was a land without people who knew how to grow cherry tomatoes or a people without a place to grow cherry tomatoes that's right that's right that's right Right. And that's where you find safety is in the chair of tomato. Yes, exactly. But it was also, there were like some specific things. It's so wild to me is like it's almost like doesn't matter what age you were. Although all of this, of course, like now and then age of the internet, it's like how like, guys, what's your plan? Like there's no way that this is still going to hold up. Like sure, for me, you told me this story about Nobel prizes and like, look how, but this was the thing that kind of like, even back as a kid, I was like, there's something wrong with. Because they'd be like, look how many Nobel Prizes Jews have. And look at the Arabs, you know, like they don't have to. Yes, yes, exactly. And I was like, how did I in Canada and then someone in Australia and something,

like, it didn't matter what generation or like what country you were in. We all like really got like some of the very same specific, like arguments. And of course, like a kid today would immediately recognize like, yeah, the Nobel Committee was not awarding Nobel Prizes to anyone in the global South. And not only that, it's like, there's a couple of things there that really pissed me off. Like, one of them is, again, it's Israeli stealing valor. Like, they're always just like, look how many Nobel Prizes of Jews won. It's like, okay, leave the rest of world Jewry out of your fucking thing here.

It's the Israelis and, like, taking credit for, like, fucking Gershwin and Einstein and fucking, I just like, fuck off. You don't get to, you don't get to claim all Jewish. achievements. Stop appropriating. It is. It's literally cultural appropriation, okay? Stealing, stealing pallor. Yeah.

And secondly, I like that one. That was very good. That was great. And secondly, it's also, yeah, it's just like, you know, be like, oh, yeah, well, look, look, look how many fucking chucky cheeses we have. How many Arabs have chucky cheese? And it's just like, you're talking about a fucking 100,000. percent Eurocentric institution.

All the Arabs did was invent math. Right. And astrology, astronomy, I should say. And it's just such a way to, the amount of propaganda that is meant not even to lift up the Jewish people, but just to denigrate the Arabs is a big hint when you start looking through it. As a kid, I definitely was like, but I thought we weren't supposed to compare ourselves to other people. That was like the part where I was like, this feels something's off here. Yeah. But yeah, I definitely.

That's right, Jessica, because no people can compare it to us. That's right. We're incomparably better. But it was so like, you know, the idea of being chosen and that like we had survived all of these attempts at extermination. And then we were like in this, we have this tiny strip of land, of course. And they don't even want us to have this tiny strip of land. And it doesn't even have oil.

And it's like a shit piece of land. But look at what we've done. And also it's just like the way that they paint the like the war of 48 is like these literal like holocaust survivors are fighting off these big Arab army. Like, you know, and and so it gives you pride, you know, because I was like, okay, I was, I wasn't like not popular or like bad at school, whatever. But, you know, it was nice to feel like chosen and I kind of felt like, oh, well, one day I will get a Nobel Prize. Like that's my first day. Yeah, that's what we do. Via being Jewish.

That's the real birthright trip. That is it. Yeah, Sweden. Go to Sweden. But the, yeah, I think, what was I going to say? I don't know. Anyway, yeah, it was definitely, that was definitely, oh, I know what I'm, this was specifically for Daniel, but the other piece of, you know, propaganda, I guess, that I got

that made me also feel really good, unrelated to being Jewish. That was so big growing up. I said it out loud, like, not long ago. I was like, you know, the war of 1812 was, like, so big in my mind because that was like when Canada beat the U.S., and which felt like so huge, like, how Canada, we were like, just this tiny country and we beat the U.S. and the war of 1812. And I, and somebody was like, oh, that wasn't, but that was the British. Yeah.

Once again, it was the British. It was also the British that helped us a lot. Yeah. In Palestine. I'm like, yeah, well, two places in which we, Canadians and Jews could not have done it without the British. But I said it out loud, like, so like, you know, and we did, you know, and Americans were like, the Americans I said it to, we're like, oh, we never even learned about the War of 1812. And I'm like, really, like. Well, I learned that there's that song.

Ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. You know, with the cannons? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that? you know that one and I got to miss everybody and I'm going to miss everybody tell me what you're going to I mean play that song and I'll go to war

with that like enthusiasm and I know that they burned the White House the White House got burned down by the British and I know this because I learned it on 9-11 when my history teacher was writing down dates of times America was attacked It was fun. Unfortunately, for me, it's embarrassing to say, but it took, like, a relationship with the

Palestinian for me to really start deprogramming, and then it took, it took time. I think the thing that really, like, really broke me was learning about the trees were an ethnic cleansing project. And, like, I felt like, I can't believe that was complicit in that. Yeah. And it was one of these things where it starts unspooling, right? Where you're, like, I learned about that, and I learned about the J&F. And then I found this documentary of this guy from Toronto a little bit older than me who it was on Apple.

You know, he goes to find where his tree is that he got for planted in Israel for his bar mitzv and he gets there. And I think this guy was like genuinely had no idea. It was like such a bad thing. And he's there with this camera and he goes to the J&F and they're like, cameras, no cameras. And they're like really like reacting that they don't want him there. And he's like, what the public? And then he ends up kind of, anyway, he ends up finding that there's a place called Canada Park.

Yeah, I've been there. I've been there. And there's a wall of, I've only seen in the documentary, there wall of names of like people that gave money. And I'm like, oh, my God, I know some of these names for sure. And then you see like that, yeah, it was like a, and this was in six, this was a village in three villages in 67, like in that were over the green line that were bulldozed and parked over.

So Canada Park, like, you see like the, the. the paths of the park, the stones that line it are stones that were from people's homes and that you can kind of see some like graveyard like near the barbecue and people are just like it anyway it's and then after I watch that the next thing that was

recommended to me was about like a girl from South Africa that goes to fly into a tree and ends up at like South Africa park and I'm just like what and these are invasive species that were planted so you're not even different environment. Yeah, it's arboreal ethnic cleansing, you know. Yeah, yeah. Well, this is the greenwashing, yeah. Right. But the, you know, the kind of, I don't know, poetic justice is how many forest fires happen in them because they're not native species. And it's like, no, this will not do well in the desert. So that's nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's on every level. It's like, it's like it hits every note of colonialism. We have to take a break soon. Before we do, I have a just kind of, I don't know, random question. Uh, Jess. So what did your parents feel when you told them you were an anti-scientist?

Oh, that's a, that's a fresh question that we haven't heard four times. She really wants to tell us about this. Every time I go on a podcast, I just like ignore the question. Do you want to talk about your divorce? Would you rather go there? Yeah, we can talk. Listen, we don't have to answer this question. It's the only one I wrote down.

Well, I feel like it was dating a Palestinian was kind of like, I think... That was the beginning. That was it. I think it was that it was sort of that was the anti-Zionist coming out. Because that was, I started to become like, you know, that's when I started becoming an anti-Zionist. Right. I didn't call it anti-Zionists for a little while, but I started criticizing Israel. Right.

And what was their reaction to that? I mean, have you, have they had? Not good. Not good? Well, they were just like, you know, it was a lot of like, well, you're not. entitled to your views, but like, why do you have to be so vocal about it? Interesting. You know, and it's like, well, where do you want, where do you want me to talk about it,

like, alone to myself in the shower? And they're like, yeah, that would be good, you know. Yeah, that would be better for the Jews. Yeah. I mean, there's this idea that, like, if you talk about it, then people will know about it and then they'll become anti-Semitic as if, like, people know about it. And, you know, like, you're not hiding anything. And it's good for us to acknowledge what's going on.

Like, that's actually better, I think, for anti-Semitism. But there's, like, you know, this, like, kind of, like, silencing operation, like, this kind of, like, voluntary gestapal where... 100%. People, like, would really, you know, like, share, like, screencap posts of mine. Oh, yeah. And send them to my mom. Oh, shit. Like, and it's really, like, and then, so she would get it from all, like, for people, like, calling her.

And I know that this is a thing that happens in other communities, too. And then, you know, she'd be like, well, why don't you speak to Jessica? and then nobody ever would, you know, because they didn't want to engage on anything. They just want to, like, my mother to get upset and then me to stop because I don't want my mother to be upset or, like, in a panic about the whole thing. That's crazy. So, like, the first post I remember, it was so benign, but it was in 2014. And my, and I were, like, now getting serious.

So that's when, like, I think my family didn't really think she was going to come out to her parents. And then, like, because, like, a Muslim doesn't want to do that. Who wants to be thrown off? Yeah, she was going to be thrown off a building. She's been on her killed. And then, like, and then, like, and then. she came out to them and she was still alive and so they were like oh fuck you know but

yeah and then we came to new york and we we happened upon by accident a casting protest in 2014 and the person running the protest was um latin american now looking back it might have been like thinking about puerto rico and anyway um but they were they it was like really fun vibe because they were like arriva arriva palestina and i and i wrote something like oh i like you know all protests should be headed up by like someone latino you know yeah Yeah, right. Truly, that was it. And it was like, forget it.

Like, blew up. It was Facebook at the time. And I didn't know, like, who had sent it. Just for being at the rally. Yeah. And I was like, no, but we didn't even mean to be at the rally. Like, we just were walking to Columbus Circle and it just was there. And somebody recognized Iman and was like, like, and so we were.

And at the time, I was like, I was still like, ooh, like, is it, should I be here? Like, this felt like, you know, being at a rally. from Palestine. And back then, so I was, my mom wasn't on Facebook, so she didn't really know what it was and it almost like seemed like worse or something. And I wanted to know who it was that had sent her this screenshot that had upset her. And, you know, nobody was telling me. And so I ended up, anyone that was a suspect, like anyone that was like my family or family related, I wrote a message to and I said, I'm going to block all of you until somebody, comes forward. Wow. I love this. And then, I know,

I've always been pretty hardcore. And then, head mistress style. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like Paul Giamati

and the holdovers, you know, like detention. I don't know. Snitch on somebody or we're all getting detention. I,

isn't that, but Jess, isn't that a collective punishment, which is a war crime? Justifiable in some. True. In some cases,

you set up a checkpoint at the front door to Sater. Yeah, exactly. Let me see your DMs. Yeah, exactly. Let me see her screencats.

Finally, my aunt, like, messages me and she comes forward, and then I reinstated everybody, and that wrapped up. Damn, it was your fan, your own fan. Yeah, I mean, used to, yeah. So, but since then, you know, it's been, it's been that for a long time. And, you know, Israel's gotten more and more extreme, and I've lost my more. and more ability to excuse like the we don't really know what's going on or yeah just there was just it started to become more and more indefensible so i i i my tone and the my post sort of you know by 2021 um and now forget about like yeah right now a lot of people are following me now now you're just

now you're just straight antisemitic i mean let's be honest here let's be real i i have a DNA test that i haven't taken because I'm, like, so afraid to find out I'm not Jewish. You know, the only thing, the only thing that would dissuade me from doing that if I was a Montreal Jew is if I thought that I might lose my admission privileges to Schwartz's Deli or the San Vieter Bagel factory. Yeah. If they put my picture up on the wall, I might need to adopt a pseudonym or just make alia

yeah yeah no i mean because those places are fucking delicious you might say like hey you know isn't that you're selling your soul you know for a bagel and a smoke bagel and the answer is well what is a soul but a place that you put bagels into

my soul is all bagel yeah it's all bagel what is a soul but a type of fish That's really good. A big hole, yeah. A type of fish. Yeah, yeah.

Smoked sole. Smoked white fish. Not bad. Not bad. I think sports might be owned by Arabs now. Good. Another example of Arab imperialism. Halal smoked meat sandwich.

And I assume now nothing much has changed in terms of your family dynamic. They're still, I mean. Well, things really. Like basically, like, some parts of my family, I probably like back in 2021 had, from what I understand, had a meeting. And they all decided like to unfollow me so that they, because they wanted to maintain a relationship. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. So like the policy for a very long time is like a, we just don't talk about it so that we can have a relationship.

It's very don't ask, don't tell. Yeah. Because it's about, that's basically about, you know, everything's, it's so gay. It's very gay. You're right. It's so gay. And yeah, it's so gay is. the military and because it's really just like what is not talking about it. It's just not making

people uncomfortable. Right. And maintaining the status quo that they enjoy. And so, um, but October 7th, uh, I posted something on October 8th. And that's when many people who had it necessarily come for me before, like really lost, like really lost it. Because I put a post that was, um, you know, of course, had context, so that meant that I was essentially, like, rooting for Hamas. But, like, I knew that, like, what the response was going to be. Not exactly, but I knew that there were, it was going to be collective punishment of some kind. Sure, of course. And so I said that I'm...

Punishment by the collective, in this case. But, yeah, I ended up, I basically, I've made this argument that, like, what Hamas did were war crimes, but, of course, everyone accused me of justifying it, and that there was already a process in place by the international criminal court from 2021 that Hamas was cooperating with and that was brought by the PA but that Israel wasn't and not only that they were like undermining the whole court and and punishing the PA by like withholding taxes and whatever but anyways it was like slides right and basically saying that um the whole point of of international criminal law is to hold people individually accountable rather than a whole group right oh it was so it was like

slides, but basically making the argument, like, not to retaliate in a way of collective punishment. That I just, like, further as a cycle of violence. Right. And, but it was slides. And so, like, one of the slides where I was saying, like, in terms of, like, who was cooperating with the international criminal court, it was like, I had, like, PA, check mark, Hamas, check mark, Israel, X. And so some people just, you know, got fed that slide.

And they, like, lost their mind. Yeah. Wait, she likes those and she hates Israel. It's as clear as day on this slide. Good, good, bad. Yeah, good, good, bad. Duck, duck, goose. Like, that was my response to the whole thing.

It was just like, check, check, yeah. Anyway, but so people got various, and then, and then I, like, you know, I dealt with that. And it definitely, you know, some people apparently, like, banned me from their homes and that I normally, like, always spend holidays with. and and then like by like October 12th or 13th I started I started posting about like a genocide that's being announced like a genocide is about to unfold and all of these people like were online they're obviously online because they're like who's going to hide me like where I check on your Jewish friends like do you know what we did for black people and like you know like you're online you're obviously like you know very upset about October 7 okay but but now like you just they're

going to they're announcing a genocide like yeah i know like and so for me this was like kind of a this was a real red line where like i just like my whole world started to fall apart yeah because like i had had this don't ask don't tell policy when it was like a slow ethnic cleansing and like okay they don't see they don't follow the news all the time and what's happening regularly there you know um but now i was like i and to see like the whole jewish mainstream world i know violent or supportive and I've only gotten more angry and crazy like over the last weird how that happens it's been quite something to watch people who didn't use to follow the news in response to October 7th now even more fervently not follow yeah yeah it's a commitment

it's a commitment to only following certain news and uh you know obviously they weren't helped along by a lot of mainstream media completely ignoring uh what was happening and and said just this overwhelming focus on the atrocities committed on the seventh by Hamas. And so it was like, I gave a little bit of grace for some people because I was like, well, they're clearly only hearing about things that they're told about. Maybe they're not. And then like enough time goes by in which people are like, yeah, doing these, will you hide me campaigns that go nowhere and all this other kind of like,

anti-Semitic scare tactics i had an ex-girlfriend who uh texted me um to be careful because tomorrow is like uh international uh Islamic day of kill the jihad day yeah jihad day yeah literally text me my mom was very concerned yeah yeah and said like tomorrow they're going to do like a big jihad so and i i just like wrote back like i was like hey um do you uh do you think um you're going to feel stupid when this doesn't happen or not. And, uh, you know, uh, and of course, nothing happened. People, people got sent home from work in New York and like they closed like and then I

know. That hasn't happened since 9-11. It was like Y2K, but the case stood for humus. Yeah. No, but I want to explain how good that 9-11 joke was because I was saying that we all got a call that day saying don't go to work. See, that was a case where me looking ahead to my joke ripped me off from one year-y-old ones. literally how great of a 9-11 joke that was so much better than mine too no way we're both good

they were both good but you know just like what a what a banger it was sound off in the comments if that joke was a banger if you didn't get it but uh yeah you know uh it is uh it is pretty astounding uh the ability of people to find a new reason to ignore literal genocide, whether it's quibbling with the term genocide, or whether it's, you know, hey, that's bad and everything, but you know who will do worse genocide? Donald Trump. So. Necessity is the mother of ignorance. Yes. So we're going to get into what happened recently over at the DNC, which happened in Chicago. But first, we have to take a quick commercial break. So everyone stick around. We'll be right back.

And we're back. Welcome back to Bad As Barra. We're here with Jess Salomon. I'm sorry. Salamon. Salamon. And I want to talk about what's going on over in the great state of Illinois, where I was at.

I was inside of it in Chicago during the DNC and did some shows. Which as as podcast producer Young Chomsky of Truenon who was also in town said the DNC also stands

for Do Not Come. Yeah. Do not come. Do not come. Yes. But you came. That's right. Do not come.

Do not come. I want you to come hell yeah that was fun um but yeah so uh i mean listen a lot happened uh there's tons of things that have been happening over there including a bunch of great demonstrations uh by uh the uncommitted movement of uh people who are trying to get a Palestinian voice somewhere in the community of people with my exact relationship issues have finally gotten together and organized. I just think it's time, you know, like,

like alone, isolated, we, there's so little we can do. You know, we're always the ones at fault. Exactly. But when a bunch of us get together and say, look, we just aren't sure about you. Serious. I'm not ready to commit.

I thought this was a casual thing. You're great. There's just a lot. of people out here. It's just like baggage. I love that you found a party. Is it a demonstration? Is it a protest?

Is it a rally? Why does it have to? Why do we have to do labels? Why do we have to label it, guys? There's no platform, no platform policy document. Yeah. And, you know, what do we want? Oh, I don't know.

I don't know. When do we want it? don't rush me can't we just do this yeah we're doing it let's not ruin it i thought we were just hanging out uh yeah so anyways uncommitted uh movement is out here um and the demos have been uh very cool some of them have been uh have gotten a lot of police attentions and violence just broken out mainly the violence of police just arresting random people for no fucking reason. I look forward to Aaron Sorkin Jr.'s film about this Chicago convention. Yeah, yeah.

Wait, is there an Aaron Sorkin, Jr.? No, but there probably will be. No, but Aaron Sorkin was the guy who recently said that the Democrats should run Mitt Rami. Yes, I love Aaron Sorkin. Or Aaron Sorkin is such like a magnificent imbecile. Were you ever on the West Wing thing? No, no. I didn't know about that until I think it had already ended or whatnot.

That would have been a natural fit for you. I know. It was just like a podcast that was rewatching the West Wing, right? Yeah, my brother was on once. Yeah. Yeah, it was a fantastic show. I've never watched the West Wing, but I did listen to that show because that's all I needed to. I can't stomach him.

Yeah, Aaron Sorkin has the ability. The social network is a good film. Yeah, it's pretty good. He just likes to invent politics that don't exist and say, like, why can't we all just do that? Like, why can't we just have, like, you know, a regular Republican? I rewatch the newsroom, and I realize that Aaron Sorkin does not deserve to ever make television or movies again. Well, I think we need to give him credit for innovating the walk and talk. I know. He did a great job.

That Daniel was such a fan of. Yeah. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Yeah, it's true. Yes. That cuts deep.

You're doing a Sorkin-esque walk-and-talk and you claim not to like him. God damn it. The forefather of your art. Exactly. No one on this podcast ever has put me in my place like that. That's because you guys don't have enough women. Yes.

Dude, you're our third straight. Is that right? Three in a row? Sorry, no offense with the straight. Yeah, sorry, third gay. No, but like, you know, Aaron Sorkin, is, well, we don't have to get back into Aaron Sorkin. The point is, what a

great, great mind. And I felt like there was a lot of like Sorkin-esque energy within the D&C. I mean, this is like what they're trying to do. It's like what if instead of doing what we've been doing for the last 10 months with regards to our PR campaign for Israel, in which we

literally don't acknowledge Palestinian lives is not just not worth anything, but maybe non-existent. Like the idea that you would just say, well, any numbers that come out of Gaza in terms of the death count is going to be from Hamas or from a Palestinian and therefore fake. Like that's how they've been doing it for a while, but now we got a new face. We got a new girl. She out here. New tone.

Kamal Harris is out here and she is talking about putting us in a context from once we came to when we were to what we are now, which is, I think, a good point she made. What an arc. And it's interesting to see how much the mealy-mouthed liberal thing is something that Alexander Ocasio-Cortez seems to really thrive at. Matsumelie-mouthed. And I think that has got to be one of, for a lot of people,

one of the more disappointing aspects of, you know, the recent, you know, what is, sorry, Adam just wrote, is this where I should drop my AOCD's nuts line? Sure. AOC. AOC, these nuts. I love it. But, yeah, so, like, AOC is one of those folks who, you know, earlier in her rise to stardom as a politician with someone who I think a lot. of us had some good feelings about some people were always anti aOC which i never fully understood

uh just because it seemed like a pretty you know like good story i mean i in general have a thing where if a politician uh comes from a background that it does not include iv league institutions or yale or whatever the fuck um or like mckinsey uh fucking you know like uh Bididge. Yes. Then I'm like, okay, maybe they're good. And she beat Crowley. Whatever you want to say about her, she beat Crowley,

and she beat Crowley by going on independent media, independent podcasts, doing interviews, facing the real nation, or at least the nation of democratic, you know, progressive voters. And whatever, yeah, I mean, I liked her story, too. I was, I've always been distrustful of slick personalities. after Obama, I'm never going to trust a good orator again, just on the basis of oration. Yes. But she said, bring the ruckus, and that's the first song on the Wu-Tang's debut album. And she was going to bring the ruckus to the Democrats.

Yeah. And listen, there was, I think, a time in which AOC could kind of skate by on, I wouldn't even call it skate by, but she would stick her neck out for folks like Bernie Sanders. and placed herself squarely in that camp. And I got to say, the thing about genocide is it's a real test of your moral fortitude. And I've always hated Israel, Palestine as a litmus test because some people have used that kind of, I think, disingenuously, or in bad faith in the past. But now I can't think of a more pertinent, relevant purity tests, quote-unquote, than starting there if you're a supposedly progressive person

who's going to bring the ruckus. Damn. Speaking of skating and speaking of litmus test, she's been trying to skate this fucking slalom through this whole thing. First, it's not a genocide. Right. Then people confront her on the street. And she tells them that she has called it a genocide when, in fact, she hadn't.

And then she calls it a genocide and recognizes it as such. Yeah. And then she comes out and endorses Joe Biden with no demands whatsoever, not getting any concessions from him whatsoever. This is, and then this is literally right before the guy drops out. Right, right. It was the craziest moment to do it, too, because it was very clear that, like, he was most likely. going to drop out. In fact, her endorsement of him made me go like, maybe, maybe Joe's not dropping out, but this seems kind of like an insane thing to do.

Because her political instincts are usually not that bad. I do think, I mean, my understanding from whatever podcasts I happen to catch is that, I know, I just like repeat podcasts. I think that's what learning is, right? And that's what podcasting is, just repeating what other podcasts are. It's all a game of telephone. Um, it seemed like, you know, uh, that part of the progressive Democratic wing, like AOCs and the burnings had gotten a lot of, um, concessions from him for their economic, progressive agendas. Sure. Like domestically speaking.

Domestically, yeah. So I think that that was why they were more on board. And also I think like the, the black caucus was maybe the last group also to, um, sorry, that's New York in the background. Sorry about it. Oh, yeah. We were, we were being told that, uh, we were, being told at the time that to ask Joe Biden to step down and make room for Kamala was racist and anti-black well you know why I mean I that was amazing I like I feel like my my

as a white lady but that's not even from the U.S but I my understanding you're Peruvian god damn it you're Peruvian Egyptian yeah I do have a Peruvian advocate us um is that black people know how racist this country is and black women in particular and And so they don't trust white people in the end who get in the voting booth and vote for Kamala. I think it was, you know, Biden's, you know, gross PR people's last stand was like, how do we, how do we skate this line? Because we got to do our tactic of calling you racist, but we can't do it if the next person in line is Kamala Harris. So, well, let's just do it anyways and, you know, we'll see how it goes.

I mean, that's exactly what they did. If you don't think that a demented 800-year-old man who can't form a sentence and falls asleep at 4.36 p.m. sharp every single day should remain in the race and tank his party's chances of retaining power, then you ain't black. Exactly. I love that on a bumper sticker.

How awkward, though, I just like think about it. It must be so awkward for AOC to like, yeah, to like at that stage endorse him. Then it's like, okay, now he's not in the race. And then her positioning on Palestine when Rashida and Ilan Omar are like, have been, you know, strongly suggesting in arms, saying like an arm's embargo and like have a Palestinian. person speaking on the main stage and i'm like is what's going on in the squad i know that's squad fight i mean and this week that came to a head yes it did so we had um aOC give uh a speech at the dnc that was uh by all accounts electrifying people were like wow this is amazing this is her obama moment and whatnot um i don't watch dnc speeches because i i just literally can't uh

imagine doing that instead of re-watching there will be blood. And so AOC had this one moment in which she talks about Kamal Harris, working tirelessly. And this I'm going to juxtapose with something Ilhan Omar said not long after at a different speech. And she is working tirelessly to secure a ceasefire in Gaza and bringing hostages home. So if you really wanted

a ceasefire, you just stop sending the weapons. It is that simple. Damn, I never thought about it like that before. You cease the fire. Yeah. So if you really want to cease fire, cease the firing and don't give them things

to fire. I mean, sure. But you do have to work very tirelessly. You have to work tirelessly. You have to work tirelessly. When you are sending weapons, it does make it harder. It's hard. Yes. It is, it's really hard, especially if you're tired. So if you're doing it ceaselessly,

you're going to get an extra more tired. I mean, it's really hard to turn off a treadmill when you keep pressing the accelerate button. I mean, you ever try to stop it with your feet? Like, try to, you know, like push the other direction? You keep running.

You just keep running. That's what happens. It keeps you running. Oh, it keeps you running. little Michael McDonald's shutouts. It was very good. But the crazy thing about this was that, like, I think

it comes at a moment now where I find this, I don't know, I think nine months ago, 10 months ago, the rhetoric of ceasefire mattered because of the fact

that it was just so clear they would not say the words. The word ceasefire was just, like, they would have euphemisms. You couldn't say ceasefire. You had to say humanitarian pause at best. Even Bernie was arguing against a ceasefire

as late as December. That's when Norman Finkelstein gave his immortal line about calling him a moral idiot or a moral monster. I remember desperately wanting the language to at least be like, give me mealy mouth NPR

shit, at least. Even if it's a lie, I would know that you were trying. You know what I mean? Tell me sweet little lies. Yes. And now it's just so, I mean. It's so 2023. It's so 2023. And there was a tweet that came out that Daniel, you talked about I think on Instagram. And I wanted you to talk about it. I talked about it for about 15 minutes this morning. Yeah. So I want you to relive that trauma. And I'm going to, Just show the tweet.

This was after Naomi Klein was quote tweeting, Tanahasi quotes did an article for Vanity Fair talking about. Welcome back, Tana Hasi. I know. I love Tana Hossi. And Naomi Klein quote tweeted, said, hey, you have to read about this, those left out of the hashtag DNC's diversity displays.

And AOC quote tweets it's saying, just as we must honor the humanity of hostages, so too must we center the humanity of the 40,000 Palestinians killed under Israeli bombardment to deny that story is to participate in the dehumanization of Palestinians. The DNC must change course and affirm our shared humanity.

My skin is literally crawling. It's so sickening this language. Can you put it back up on the screen? So there it is, right? So as you just read, just as we must honor the humanity of the hostages, which they had just done, right, by having a hostage to parents of a hostage, who is actually a former IDF soldier, speak at the DNC and got all kinds of applause, and the entire United Center crowd chanting, bring them home, bring them home. Then she says, so too must we center the humanity of the 40,000 Palestinians killed under Israeli by. bombardment. Well, by Israeli bombardment, who puts the bomb in bombardment? We do. We do.

You know? Yes. Shout out to the stone cutters from the Simpsons. Shout out to the Simpsons, yeah. Yeah. But listen to this language. We must center the humanity of. What the fuck does that mean? This social justice psychobabble that has crept into activist work in the past 15 years where it's about feelings and narratives and placement and optics and framing and I mean I get that center humanity means something it's sort of a poetic way to say let's focus on the human which is to say the material needs and rights of real actual people but centering the humanity of is a far cry from saying so too must we speak up or the the the the the the the freedom and security and safety and lives of 40,000 people murdered by our bombs yeah right um center the

humanity yeah it just also like I feel bad though because it's like she can't write she can't use the word bodies the way that liberals do because bodies in this case would mean dead and you know, that's too, that's too already known, you know what I mean? It has to be bodies. And they can't say bodies and spaces, because there's no spaces left in Gaza. There's no spaces for the bodies, yeah. Yeah, all the spaces are under the rubble. And then to deny that story, what story, what are you talking about?

To deny that, what is this, a Hollywood pitch meeting? To deny that story is to participate in the dehumanization of, well, if you mean the wiping out of their human lives from the ledger of, life. Yeah. Murder is pretty dehumanizing. You're killing them. You're not participating in the dehumanization of Palestinians. The woman you're there to stump for and her administration, who contrary to your lie, is not tirelessly working for shit. As Glenn Greenwell pointed out, I hope she's not working too tirelessly for the ceasefire to come up with a speech for Thursday night. It would be a shame if she couldn't give her speech because she's working too tirelessly on a ceasefire.

Too tired from all that ceasing fire. But to participate in the speech. the dehuman as if the problem is like participation in like a kind of abstract dehumanization process where about how people view Palestinians yes the DNC must change course and affirm our shared humanity and here she's talking about putting a Palestinian on stage well first of all putting a token Palestinian on stage as ali abo Nima of the electronic katifada said wouldn't accomplish jack shit even if you think it's an important thing which he doesn't you know i can see the argument that it would be 100% yeah that representation at this level and it would put pressure on the dnc and on the democrats but must change course and affirm our

well why didn't you fucking say that the other night you liar yeah i can't get angry enough at this tweet it just nauseates me to my core 100% and it's just there's there's just something about using this language at this point where yeah we're in there's a genocide's been going on like dehumanization has literally happened to allow, like... I've seen too many like dead babies in the last...

Including yesterday with a skull with an empty skull. An empty skull from the peeled back like a fucking pomegranate. Yes. I've seen like too many of those to hear NPR language when it comes to this anymore. And also, um,

the the, the idea. of the humanity, like honoring the humanity of the hostages and also honoring the humanity of 40,000 Palestinians killed, like the ask here is, it's just so, it's just so basic. It's just like the idea of, you know, it comes from a place of going like, listen, we have to, we have to make space for everything and everyone. And we have to remember that it's okay to honor the humanity of all people.

It's just this mealy-mouth liberal thing that people were asking for, begging for 10 months ago. When the shit was ramping up and happening in an instant, all of a sudden, like, it was so clear that a genocide was going to be perpetrated. And to give this now and act as if it is. is throwing a bone to anybody, you just see how insidious this language can be because it's like, no, the people they're throwing a bone to are people who don't actually care enough. It's like people who don't actually care about whether or not Palestinians live. They need to feel good about voting for Kamala Harris for this reason. You know what I mean?

It's so stupid, like just from a strategy perspective that they wouldn't have had a Palestinian need a speaker like they created this whole thing and and now it's like no but okay we don't want a speaker we've said no we've moved on to arms embargo this is what we're asking for like it's just it's almost like this um the gap between the words and the actions yes never been so obvious to everybody like in terms of just the u.s is like the way the u.s has been behaving um drawing their red line and then like and the show of the press conference of like you know every single day is like, well, Israel's investigating itself, you know, and, well, we don't know. And it's, it's become such a joke. And in a way that is, like, there's just no, that

plausible deniability that maybe it had existed doesn't even exist anymore. And, and, I don't know, to me, like, the kind of parallel was, it does feel like, you know, this DNC, like, people really, people do really want hope. They want to feel better. It's been, you know, like, I feel this in my life when I'm like, I can only talk about Gaza and people are like, oh, like, don't have I Jess, you know, like I don't fault anyone for that. I don't fault anyone for wanting to feel hope. No, I fault the people who exploit that. Yes, that's who I fault. Exactly. And kudos to Elon Omar, by the way, who I want to get back to what you're saying, Jess, but there was another comment she made where she said, working tirelessly for a ceasefire is not a thing. So she directly

quoted her friend her supposed friend AOC who was just so willing to stab her good friends in the back. When it benefits her, she'll get up there with Jamal Bowman and do a Hulk Hogan rally about how we're going to kick

Apex ass and all this kind of shit when there's performative street cred literally in a park in the Bronx. But when it comes to actually standing up to her party just like with Forced the Vote, with any time it comes time to like cross mama bear

Pelosi or Uncle Joe or cousin Kamala I mean the what's app group that like Corey Bush and Elon Ormard and Rashida like I must have going on I wish I could if I could be a fly on that wall if I could be a lurker in that group chat yeah the mean girl

oh they're going yeah I hope so I mean she deserves it this feeling of like the existence of Palestinians is like in this American context of the DNC it's like somehow also poses as existential threat to this like veneer of you know the American story and what we're bringing back hope and change and whatever you know like the promise of America the exceptionalism of America like Gaza is like completely blown that open right for many people who didn't see it

before. And in such an obvious way, more than I ever expected truly to happen. And so the way that, you know, that Palestinians ruin the story of Zionism and pose this existential threat to this like dreaming of a Jewish state. And they're just like, oh, like, we just need to solve this problem. And it just feels like it's like very similarly playing out in terms of like the protesters and the way they're being treated. And a lot of people just being like, like yes fine okay but like right now like we want to be helpful and we you know well but i think you're exactly right they do and that was tana hasi coates's point that if you let a palestinian speak even if the speech was vetted it does bust that veneer this is maybe like

a bit contrarian but like you know there is the aspect of um seeing michel obama seeing Kamala Harris. I see the faces of black women in the audience and it is like you can it's just that everything that they did through the historically in this country, you know, it's like to see that that level of power and those speeches like it I can imagine how meaningful it is for them. And then also just a general change in rhetoric from Trump like against immigrants against It's all that, you know, like, all of that rhetoric is, is dangerous, and it does lead to hate crimes. So rhetoric is important in that sense, it's changed to this more hopeful, inclusive. But then, you know, it's like, but, I mean, for a woman who's been, who's been abused by every partner,

it must feel really nice to have a narcissistic seductor on the first day, be like, you are so beautiful, and I would never do that to you, even though that's exactly what he's going to do under a different cover. It does speak to and give weight to the story of America because these people, like, homilites, like the immigrant story, like how they grew up, you know, that they've reached this height. And so, and this is like a very, like, not for me, but like for Americans, it's like a very powerful thing. And they haven't like, they want to believe in their country. And I just, of course, a lot of black people see through it. But there is like, there are black people that are like, it's almost like, this is our moment. Like, you know what I mean?

Literally, I have no problem with people taking comfort in the kind of representational politics thing and the rhetoric thing. I think where I am at with my cynicism is that I have now come to realize that rhetoric is rhetoric is almost all that we are going to get. It's like the best we can hope for like Gaza, I think is a perfect example of representation and rhetoric is all we're willing to give because if you think about the ceasefire thing, like I was saying before, all we wanted 10 months ago was for somebody to have the guts to not say humanitarian pause and say the word ceasefire. And for that to be a normal thing. And then, you know, now we're at a point in which like we are complaining about the. the fact that they are not letting a single Palestinian on stage at the DNC to talk about what's going on or just as representation of Palestinians. Give us better rhetoric, please. Right. No, I mean, that's so stupid.

Like, that was such a so stupid. The best we can hope for, therefore, is that at some point, they do give us a token Palestinian on stage that will give us the rhetoric that we want. And so I think like, I think it's realizing that the limits first that's sufficiently critical of Hamas. Right. Exactly. Of course. And can learn the AOC cadences and all this kind of shit. And this is not to discount like the danger of rhetoric. I think rhetoric is is and can be dangerous. But I think it's realizing how how the best you can hope for within like American liberalism is for someone to give you. uh a nice euphemism the best you can hope for is for someone to tell you to rub your back

and tell you it's going to be okay and and like that that i think gets really put into the spotlight during a genocide where you're just like wait wait wait like talking about like affirming humanity is so abstract for a time when i literally can't go on social media without seeing dead babies caused by bombs that my tax dollars are paying for so it's like you see the limits of this and again i'm not someone who is uh uh going to fault anyone for wanting to feel some hope and some excitement for the idea that we uh as a country aren't just going to be like all right whatever trump can be president again i understand that that's frightening for a lot of people um and it's frightening uh you know in general for uh the idea that we would have

four more years of just the same fucking Trump gags and it's just like it's it sounds exhausting as well as scary for many discreet and insular groups I just I can't help but be like you guys know they're just going to

say the words they're just going to say the words you want at best at best you'll never say the nice words and you'll never ever convince me that the rhetoric of a Trump

overall is more dangerous for the world than the retic than the lying rhetoric of liberals. You just never will. I'm not saying he's better. I'm not saying he's better, but I am saying you will never convince me that the lying, seductive, smiling in your face, Fox is better than the wolf to channel Malcolm X.

And both Malcolm X and Malcolm X and Martin Luther King reserved their biggest scorn. for American white liberals and you want to talk about the black people in the audience at the DNC those people on camera they're having a genuine emotional reaction but who is that

shot for who is that camera angled who's watching that American has borrowed themselves American white liberals are watching it look at these black people feeling so good about themselves whatever you want to say about the internal

experiences of black people we've said way too much about it what's white people over the centuries it's complicated they're as complicated as we are some of them see through this shit some of them don't some of them feel both ways about it but whatever but but the erin sorkin universe is for us to feel damn good about the american story and at best it's a fiction based on a few facts yeah and i and i'm so i'm so i'm like finkelstein on this the word narrative the word story they have infected our politics to the point that they've completely and totally defang them

because politics ultimately is not about storytelling. It's about changing material conditions on the ground, full stop. Yeah. I mean, I totally... Martin Sheen good as the president, though. Yeah, Adam Levin bringing the lightness back. Oh, is this shit. Oh, fuck.

I forgot this was a comedy podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to go out on a lighter note, because there's really nothing darker than electoral politics. All right, let me just stop Norman Finkelstein's inn or it's out the door. and soothe my own skin. Exactly. Get his inners out of there. And we're going to talk about some new Hasbara that we saw.

This is, I don't know how to describe this other than, did you know that there's, Hasbara kids now? Alon Levy. Alon Levy has expanded his, what is it, the spokesperson's office for citizens who don't have jobs? Spokes tikes. Yeah, he's doing spokes for kids. And so I have just a little bit of an interview that he did with his new Hasbara kid.

We're adding a new twist in Hasbara. This acquaintance has turned into an important Hasbara collaboration. Ben has joined our team. And as Israel's spokes kid. at least on the civilian front, helping us to spread the word. I appreciate Elon for also looking at the side of the children in explaining in Israel. So I appreciate that Alon wants to be like, hey, I know we're doing propaganda for adults, but have we thought about the kids?

The kids have a role to play too, yeah. Yeah. And together, I think this is a really great collaboration. I love that. I feel like Elon has really met his match. it's sort of like when Lennon met McCartney or right

yeah it's like finally someone with an equally as developed brain smooth a brain yeah children

who will later grow up to be adults which is to say non-Palestinian children yeah exactly I know I was about to say God

will they listen to him more than you children like Ben I say like Ben but I only know Ben he's the only child I only know, Ben. It's not like I know a bunch of kids.

It's not like there's a bunch of kids at home back in my basement, right, Ben? You didn't have anyone to play with there, did you? I literally have only met one kid in my life, okay? Give this generation voice. We have a major intergenerational problem. The younger people are, the more likely they'll be anti-Israel and pro-Hamas, not Palestinian pro-Hamas. You have no idea the levels of Hamas support among Zygote.

Yeah, dude, every sperm is anti-Semitic. Every sperm is sacred? That's the second. That'll be the second Monty Python reference. We've never done Monty Python. Zygote! Oh, wow. Zio goats.

Adam Levin, with the clutch catch, we almost let that one slip through our little. The poison they are fed on TikTok. Hence, the importance of people of their age who can talk to them in their language. and reflect to them the experience of what it is to be a child. I was never a child since I was bred in a petri dish. I was born in a lab of spokespersons. We developed drip irrigation and made a really tiny spokesperson. But yeah.

I mean, this guy got fired, right? Yes, he's fired. This is not his job. You know, like when somebody like keeps coming back to high school? Yes. Yes. No, and then they're like, oh, look, I'm still doing this thing. Now I got this kit.

Like, it's so. I wonder what, like, when he's checking in with people, how are you doing, A-Long? Oh, good, good. I got a kid now. What do you mean? Oh, I got this kid. He, like, knows how to, like, also do Husbarra. Oh, cool.

What's your next project? He's a genius thing or two. Yeah. So, I'm going to work out with this kid for a bit. We'll just see how it goes. dad making his son play little league energy absolutely adam by the way but kids are the most like indoctrinated that's when they're like i know anyways in israel it's inverted younger people are much more yes i think he's talking about speaking to the international children 100% community you know and so yeah kids kids in i don't know

fucking l.a and the south side of chicago be like oh my god did you see what little baby from Israel posting in Oakland. I think it's so crazy to me this idea of explaining. Like, I mean, I know that's what Hagbarah means. But it's like, what, like, why do you have to explain so much? Like, it's so suspicious.

Like, the way that this country is, like, literally, like, admitting, like, you need to explain Israel. Like, what countries, like, explain Canada? Like, explain friends. Like, and also here's some free trips for celebrities. So, like, we need to explain it. We need, like, we need to, I need to,

let me explain. Let me explain. It's like, you are guilty. That's what the us uncommitteds are supposed to say. I can explain. I can explain those texts. No. And let me buy you.

You're not even letting me explain. She's my ex and I'm helping her to like move out of her apartment. So that's why she thanked me for wonderful. It's hard to explain. But yeah. And then you like after more and more things like, you know, when someone's lying and they just keep adding details and you're like, If you would just let me Lesbair.

Yeah. Lucy, you've got some has beering to do. But yeah, that is, listen, I love that the future of Hesbar is going to be little kids in suits, the most trustworthy people to tell us

about why some hospitals self-emoy. Well, I was so inspired by that, and it brought me back to my summer camp counselor days, you know, because we used to indoctrinate children with songs. And I thought I would contribute to this, this, this development in Hasbara, just making it cute, you know? Yeah. So I pulled out the old acoustic, and I re-strung it, and I wrote a little ditty. You can do some bond thugs right now, I could tell. Oh, this is amazing.

All right. Remember what he said at the top? Yes, Lanu, uh, Ksat, twist. Twist. Twist. We have a new twist on Hasvara, so this is the Hasbara twist. Welcome on everybody to the Hasbara twist.

Wow. Come explain to all your friends why your country has the right to exist. Well, if they're screaming genocide, there's something they must have missed. So come on, come on, do the Hasbara twist. Well, you just twist, twist, twist, twist, twist the truth. They can't debunk the innocence of youth. First one, well, if they say, why drop so many bombs, you say self-defense. If they say you're killing moms, you say that's, you say that's war and they started it. If they say we need a ceasefire and human rights

and such, look him in the eye and ask them why they hate the Jews so much. Well, come on everybody, do the Hasbara twist. They're accusing us of war crimes and they're compiling quite the list. But when they hear you explain it all, they'll shout out, case dismissed. So come on, come on, and do the Hasbara

twist you just twist twist twist twist twist the facts make up horror stories that'll stop them in their tracks all right kids you guys ready to try it out there yes all right here we go matt you're up first all right which one was it what was it no no it's coming okay if they say sexual assault is wrong you say no it's not uh it depends on the uh uh Like, okay, so first of all, you can't prove it. Very good. Jess, if they say the Nakhpa is 76 years long, you say, The show was worse.

Very good. If they say that Gaza's burning and kids are dying on the daily, you just change the subject and point the finger like a good Israeli. Welcome on everybody And do the Hasbara Twist Don't sit back and let your racist Rapist Abba get dissed They all will be assimilated

It's futile to resist Key change Well come on everybody Do the Hasbara twist It's a full-time job to be A modern Zionist We're losing the information war, so kids please give us an assist.

Well, come on, come on, come on. Come on, Yala, come on. Oh, no. Come on, come on, and do the Hasbara twist. Twist, twist, twist, twist, twist your butt. Wow. Wow. Oh, that was amazing.

Bro. Yo, I wish I had like a dreidel to twist. at the end. Exactly. You can twist there's all kinds of... I wish I had Pais. I would twist them. Twist the Chala, you know? Yeah, we do a lot of twisting here. Oh my God, the video is going to be

fire. We need to crowd fund that shit. Get a bunch of kids. Imagine if kids were singing that? Yeah, that would be amazing. Oh, dude. Truly, truly, really like... One of the best Bad Hasbara songs in existence.

Well, I had to come correct after the laundry after laundry mine was a parody song you did an original motherfucker that's that's great one day the album will come out

oh my god that's an earworm that's a catchy one I mean there's going to be a dance to it too you know yeah sure well the twist is an actual that's right I mean it was a dance I mean it was inspired by Chubby Checker

right yeah oh man well of course I knew that this is this has been a wonderful wonderful podcast i can't thank you enough jess for coming on and uh talking has borrowed with us listen this was healing for me it was the best time cathartic yeah yeah well where can people find you on the internet so uh i'm mostly on instagram at jess underscore solomon s-o-o-m-o-n and my website is jess solomon dot com and my special is coming out on September 24th on YouTube on 800-pound

Gorillas YouTube. There's a lot of comedy specials there. So, yeah, I think there'll be a watch party on YouTube and, like, it's good for the algorithm of people tune in at the same time and, like, you know, get in the comment section. Absolutely. And we will make sure that we post a link

to your social medias. And I guess we'll do a link to the 800-pound gorilla YouTube page. Yeah, cool. So that whenever people are, once it comes out, we can all watch it together. Oh, hey, that would be so fun. If you haven't seen Jess Solomon stand up, you owe it to yourself. She's incredibly.

Incredibly funny. There's some great stuff. I mean, I haven't seen the special, but I know some of the material in it. And it's just, it's just terrific. Thanks, Daniel. Thank you so much for coming on. And thank you everyone out there for listening. Patreon.com slash badhasbara.

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