Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 47: Woke Phrenology, with Rebecca Pierce

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Filmmaker Rebecca Pierce joins Matt and Daniel to survey the meaning of Jewish identity in the WASP gaze, the false choice between Black American rights and support for Palestinian liberation, and whether white people have ever actually scored an invitation to the cookout.Find Rebecca’s work at rebeccapiercefilms.comSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSpotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White foster us Zabrahamas As far as us and welcome to Bad Hasbara. World's Most Moral Podcast, Us. That's right. We are the most moral hosts of the world's most moral podcast. My name is Matt Lieb.

And my name is Daniel Mate, and we have long ago given up trying to figure out which of us is marginally more moral than the other. We're equal morals. Big equal sign. Exactly. It's like trying to figure out who's a better actor. Al Pacino or Robert De Niro.

The point is, is that they're both great and they both kind of just do one thing, but they're the best at it. I mean... They're both very talented. They're very good. You know, I can't really do it, De Niro. Can you do a De Niro?

You look like you could do Robert De Niro. I can... Wow, see, this is what I'm talking about. Immediately. You do the face. That's a very good De Niro face. Vocally, I'm more practiced at the... at Chino.

Yeah, the great ass. Yeah. You stupid fucking cunt. You stupid fucking. Yeah, it's so easy. Whoever told you that you could work with men. Oh, Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross, shout out to David Mammett. I'm sure he hasn't said anything weird in the last 11 months.

I'll tell you two things about that. Number one, Jack Lemon acts circles around Al Pacino in that movie. He does. In fact, everyone acts circles around Al Pacino. He tries to chew the same. scenery, but he ends up breaking his teeth. He's great, but he's not quite in, I don't think he's in the same movie as everyone else. Ed Harris, fucking Alan Arkin, and Jack Lim, and it's one of the best pieces of acting ever. Secondly, Glenn Gary Glenn Ross is coming back to Broadway. Do you

know who's starring in it? Oh, shit. Walter Mathau? No, I'm just kidding. Who? Kieran Culkin as Ricky Roma. Oh, that could work. See, that actually, I like that. Okay. Will Burr as, I believe, Edmoss. Okay, okay, okay. And guess who they've got playing Shelly the Machine Levine? Oh, fuck. Uh, Josh Gadd.

No. Jimmy McGill, Sald Goodman, Bob Odenkirk. Oh, shit. I would watch the shit out of that. There's nothing I love more than a pathetic Bob Odenkirk, you know? Right, and a loquacious salesman who's desperate to try and get something across. And he's, I, I, I, that's interesting to me. I saw Glengarry on Broadway with Pacino playing Laveen and Bobby Canada volleyball playing Richard Roma.

And it just, I didn't see. It was interesting, but it didn't justify itself. But I think this one will be worth checking out. Check that out wherever you get your Broadway. And check us out wherever you get your podcast. You know, give us five stars in a review. Make a comment if you're on the old Spotify and say how much you like the episode. and then go ahead, donate to our Patreon, patreon.com

slash bad Hasbara, and shout out. We always welcome your constructive criticism. Oh, of course. To be written down in your journals. That's right. And talked about. To yourself and family. And shout out to our producer, Adam Levin, the most moral producer.

Oh, man, we got a show for you today. What a show. We have a great guest. very excited to bring on someone who had been trying to get on for a while, but as you all know, we do this podcast whenever

we can, and sometimes... Can we do the quick spinny segment? Oh my God, I keep forgetting about it. Daniel, what are you spinning? I got Slater Kinney, which is a group I didn't get much thought to, but this album is amazing, produced by St. Vincent.

Oh, okay, cool. I got Sunny Terry and Brownie McGee. legends yeah together go space the big dough rehab hell yeah yeah congratulations to him for going into big dough rehab yeah yeah keep coming back it works i've got einstor sende noibatin the the album with the horse coming on the cover yeah that looks like a horse who's coming and not pissing which i love here it's their poppiest album and then and then two others here this is a group from niger Okay. Mdu Mokitar, which is incredible, like, Tuare, like, African music, but with, like, hard rock instrumentation.

Okay, cool. I like the bird. And then in honor of the fact that they brought Motaz on stage at Glastonbury, I got Massive Attacks, Classic 1997, Mezzan. Wait, Massive Attack brought Motaz on stage? Yeah. They're so cool. I love them. Shout out.

Big video montage of Gaza. and they brought him on with them and he spoke to 30,000 people. I just want to say that if Glastonbury had booked Eve 6, that they also would have brought on Motaz. So shout out to Eve 6. They're a great band and they are also pro-Palestinian. That's great. I might have to make an exception to my general prohibition against bands,

with numbers in the title. Yeah, yeah. That's a good... It's a good rule, actually. 10,000 maniacs are fine, but I never, you know... Yeah. Daniel will put his heart in a blender.

Absolutely. He would swallow his pride to listen to someone. Choke on the Rines. Okay, so now we're going to bring on our guest an amazing writer, an amazing filmmaker,

ladies and gentlemen, and everyone else. Welcome to the podcast, my friend, Rebecca Pierce. Hey, y'all. Thanks for having me. Thank you for coming on. How are you doing? I'm good. You know, it's a little warm here, but

I'm happy to be here. Yeah. You're over in Oakland? I'm in San Francisco, actually. Born here, still here, pretty happy to be here. I should have picked some Blackalicious or Del the Funky Homo Sapien. Yeah. Missed opportunity. Yeah, you fucked up. Yeah. You should have represented the Bay Area.

Put some Mac Dre in there. Right. Although it's just the General Bay. I think he reps Vallejo, but... He's from Balejo, but we claim him at every corner of the bay. Exactly. San Francisco doesn't matter where you're at. If it's a Bay Area, San Francisco will claim it.

You wanted to get real deep into my neighborhood. You could play RBL Posse. They're from the Bayview. Oh, for real? Yeah. I don't know RBL Posse. You've heard their song, Bamer. Like, I don't smoke no Bamer weed.

That's RBL Posse. I don't know if I've heard about... I'll send you a link. I'll send you a link. That's not the name of it. the songs. Send me some Bammer weed, too. Yeah. I don't have it. I don't smoke it. You don't smoke that Bammer weed? We don't smoke that shit in the SFC.

Damn, that's too bad. What do you smoke? What do you smoke over there in the SFC? Oh, like a sativa heavy hybrid, you know. Oh, okay. Okay. I feel like I missed out on like knowing what I smoked because I like got sober before weed became like, I don't know, like a gastronomic fucking industry, you know? It's like now everyone. knows exactly what they're smoking i was just like there's chronic and there's not chronic and there's mid does anyone brag about smoking mid does anyone ever admit to it um people who are really good with their money oh yeah yeah people are real good with money are just like i only smoke mids yeah yeah well i you know listen if you want to get sober out there check out ghostface killa he went to the dough rehab yeah

you a lot about uh you know what's going on in the whole israel thing um first question i have for you have you ever heard of israel no what's that it's like a place where you can go and have sex with a soldier if you're jewish oh okay you ever done that um i no oh you should try i had the chance and the soldier will be jewish too that's the yeah oh you're not going to get that was all you had to say yeah yeah soldier with a circumcision i I mean, what more do you want? Yeah, and you can get Chuck Chuka with GHP. Isn't that a Smith song?

Shukha with G.H. Oh. Oh. No, that's girlfriend in a coma, sir. Jesus Christ. Rebecca, you are both, now this is unheard of, but you are not only Jewish, but you're also black. What?

Yes. Yeah. Isn't that illegal? It was illegal until, like, 2009, then Obama legalized it because David Axelrod had this kid on the side and they needed to do like you know he couldn't go to jail um but i think if trump gets in part of 25 they're going to fix it so no more of this oh thank god back to normal no one has to worry about it anymore yeah is that going to be a relief for you like you can just sort of yeah yeah i'll just cease to exist and that'll be peaceful i think you know i think so too

i think it's nice when people are simple when you know it's just like hey i'm you know i'm you know Instead, it's just people who are like, I'm bisexual. And it's like, I don't have time to know all this. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm bisexual. I don't have time for that. So, you know, who has time? I just want to know based on people's identity where they fall on the political spectrum.

What has it been like recently with now Kamala Harris being the nominee? You may have noticed there's been kind of a new line that's, been happening to kind of undermine the Palestinian Solidarity Movement, which is to talk about the anti-blackness of Palestinians and the people who support them in America. The necessary self-betrayal that comes with being a black advocate for Palestine. So none of this is new. I actually, we saw this as an exact same conversation happen. And if you're old enough to remember back in 2014 on Twitter, a very similar thing of, like, a discourse between what was really like a lot of black liberals and people in the Palestine movement, whether they be Palestinian, whether they be white, whether they be black, about like, is this the time to focus on Palestine?

Does Palestine deserve the amount of attention it's getting right now? Is this somehow detracting from, you know, the struggle for black liberation in the U.S.? Do Palestinians even, like, deserve our solidarity? And you've seen, like, continuum, you know, that's happening on a continuum for a pretty long time, probably for as long as there's been Black solidarity with Palestine. There's been debates about what that solidarity means. The most, like, recent iteration that I've seen really started on TikTok. And, like, you know, I saw, like, a New York Post article that was claiming to chart the conversation.

Let's pretend to take that seriously for a second. You know, it starts with, like, a Palestinian Iraqi girl. speaking on TikTok about her experience of, like, seeing the identity politics around Kamala Harris and how people are acting, like, electing a black woman in and of itself is going to save the world when there's been, you know, black people in power in a lot of different times, and Palestinians and Iraqis and black people also were, like, continuing to suffer. Right. And there was a lot of frustration at Americans for our, like, identity politics and the way that we reduce things

to race. And, you know, watching that video on its own, I really felt for her. You know, there's some things that she said that I wouldn't, like, personally agree with, but that's kind of, like, besides the point, someone who's watching their family murdered is really sick of hearing people act, like, vibes are enough to solve the situation. And in response to that, there, like, was this sort of unfolding debate between, like, again, I think a lot of black liberals, people who really are excited about Kamala, want to vote for her, are hyped up on the vibe shift that we're saying in the United States. And Palestinian and other voices in the Palestine movement saying, like, that's really not enough. And, like, there's a debate about,

like, what is solidarity? Is that something you're allowed to demand in a moment like this? Is it too much to ask black people to, quote, unquote, put aside our interests in terms of voting for Kamala to, like, have a protest vote? What does that mean? And I think, think, like, at my most charitable, there's an interesting conversation we can have about electoral politics. What is the role of that in our movements? At my most cynical, I think there's a lot of people who don't want their vibe to start. And they're, they're feeling good for the first time in a long time, which understandably, we've had a lot of reasons to feel pretty bad about the path America is going on. And they don't want to think too hard about, like,

what is needed beyond just like what we're being given by the Democratic Party and I think ultimately black people and Palestinians have the same problem which is that we can't eat vibes as people on this show have said you know like having black Democrat in power previously

when we had Obama did not fix the structural issues that not only oppressed black America but like led to Trump so there's like the Democrats themselves are not offering at this point like solid action they're offering offering a lot of promises and nice words, but when it comes down to it, Joe Biden has the same

presidential powers that Trump did. And he's not, you know, making the policy shifts that people know they want and that people have been demanding, whether it's like on climate, health care, Palestine, student loans, many of these other issues that, of course, hit the black community hard in America. The Democrats are not taking actions. So I think this idea that we're like giving something up for Palestinians by talking about the fact that the Democrats are also overseeing a genocide is really detached from like the material reality of what is impacting black people. I think there are good reasons to engage in like the electoral politics on another level, especially down ballot. We should be showing up and looking at who's running for our local

city council. We should be showing up and looking at who's running for school board or like who's running for Senate. You know, I'm really frustrated as a California. that Barbara Lee, who is a black candidate who opposed the Iraq War, called for a ceasefire, and was running to replace Diane Feinstein, got fourth place in that race. And I think it was a failure of the left. On some level, there's many other things going on in this election that we didn't make that our protest vote. 100%. During the Democratic primary.

Instead, people were just like, I don't care about Biden. I'm not showing up. And meanwhile, the, like, tech millionaires are sneaking past all these, like, local ballot initiatives that take away people's rights, including making people get done. drug tested in San Francisco to get, like, your basic benefits for low-income families. So there is a level that we, there's a real argument to be had about electoral politics, about, like, when do you suck it up and vote for a Democrat? When do you maybe not vote for president, but vote down ballot?

And that's not the conversation we're having, or having a conversation about, like, are Palestinians allowed to be mad when we ask, like, someone of my racial background being in office is automatically going to stop a genocide? when that person's already in office and not something to genocide. You make a great point I want to go back to, which is like the idea that we need to abandon Palestinians and Palestinian solidarity in order to all rally behind Kamala Harris or rally behind basically any Democrat, you know, for any reason. And it would almost hold more water if, like, Democrats actually did shit. Like, I wonder what it would be like if there was actually, like, good domestic politics going on within the Democratic Party. Like, if they were actually able to, like, you know, make a law that says abortion is legal or if you got, if you got a little quid for that, if you got a little quid for that quote.

Yeah, right, exactly. Like if there was actually some payoff. We never get quibing out your Palestinian brothers. sisters. Yeah. And that is like the crazy thing about it is it's just like fucking, if at least, you know, if you're going to try to bribe people

actually give them some quid for that quo. Like, you know, there's no quid that we're not pro quoing. I'm having a stroke trying to. Or as Jack Lemon said in Glenguegel and Ross, you're going to make something up.

Make sure it helps. Yeah, exactly. That's like the crazy about it is it's like there you can't actually point to policies uh in general that uh democrats have done in order to like you know that you go well you know sure uh we allowed to genocide but look at what we got and it's like maybe on the level of labor have they been good on labor so i think i'm moderately okay on it but like that's like the best that they possibly could have done and uh you know Meanwhile, we have, like, you know, a raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, which is still not enough, is being like, you know, is being struck down because of the Senate parliamentarian. Like, they have actively worked against many of these domestic issues that people, you know, would absolutely be like, listen, genocide, shmenocide, I need health care.

Speaking of health care, is there not something actually at this point kind of off-putting, if not totally distasteful, about, and I never thought this day would come when I just don't want to hear Bernie Sanders talk about the cost of insulin anymore. I know. I'm like, shut the fuck up. You're not serious. You're not serious. I mean, you put your political revolution out to pastor. You're stumping for the people who dunked on you and pissed on you. and pissed on you in front of everybody

you call it a genocide and you say we need a ceasefire after you said we didn't and now you're you're showing up and like I don't believe you you need more people as Jay Z said and maybe he was quoting someone else I just don't believe him anymore and it's sad

like talking about Medicare for all it's not even that I don't believe him it's it's more so that I've come to the point where I'm like well if you're feckless and you're so easily um i mean he yeah he's no feck zero effect zero effect so you know it becomes like just a guy telling you about how much your life sucks you know it's like i don't want to hear about

how my life sucks i want to hear about how you're going to make my life better and if you if you you don't even have like you're going to at least how you're going to oppose the right who are making it worse if you don't have the political instincts enough to like not be like i support Biden through this genocide, then maybe you don't, you need to, you know, get some facts. You know what I'm saying? Okay, but so, Rebecca, what you're saying is that for, let's take the premise that black people can and should separate their narrow interests from global interests. They should make a clean cleavage between domestic policy and foreign policy.

They should abjure all notions of solidarity with anti-imperialism, whatever, and just in a selfish, very American, individualistic identity politics way, just focus on it. Are you saying that under the Biden administration, there hasn't been enough facts on the ground in terms of material conditions changing to get anyone really interested in really believing that line? Well, I think that there are people who believe the line, unfortunately. Oh, yeah. And that's the reason I think this is worth paying attention to it all. Otherwise, that would be like, why are we even having this conversation?

I think it's worth pointing out to people what the Democrats have and haven't done in terms of our day-to-day lives and meeting our needs. And I also want to have that argument about why do you think that you can separate your fate from that of Palestinians when there's so much connecting them?

And like there's the, and maybe this isn't the question you want answered, but I'm going to argue with that premise. Like there's the really obvious stuff, like these police exchange programs that we've been talking about for a long time where American police are learning, you know, strategies from the occupation directly and bringing those back to the United States. What we don't talk about is the fact that American police also go train Israeli police

and military and we're on drugs tactics. So this is not just a one-way exchange. This is happening in both directions. You know, this extra military gear that we're producing and selling to Israel or giving to the U.S. military ends up in the hands of police across the country. These things are directly connected. If we get into a prolonged regional war, who do you think are the people who are going to be dying on the American side? It's going to be black and brown people because much like Israel, where, you know, Ethiopian Jews are overrepresented in combat losses, the people who are at the bottom of the food chain end up getting sent into, you know, be the canon fodder.

So on those basic, basic levels, you can't separate our fates. There's also the fact that, like, we're the ones paying for this, the money that could be going to your health care, to your, like, head start education. to, you know, any number of worthy causes in our communities, you know, combating homelessness, which in San Francisco is a huge crisis. You know, it's incredibly depressing for me as a black San Francisco at the time when I see the most other black folks is when I'm walking to work in South of the Market and seeing unhoused people who are like people who are from here who can't live here. And yet we have money to fund 10 months of genocide with like an insane the amount of, you know, more than like one Hiroshima being dropped on people who have done

nothing to us with anything, our movements have informed each other for decades. Like, we have so much of our fate already bound up with Palestinians, and it really requires abandoning your own interests to say, oh, that's something happening somewhere else that doesn't have anything to do with me. I need to focus on myself. The Democrats are not doing what they need to do to meet our needs at all. So the argument that, like, you can just ignore what's happening in Palestine doesn't make any sense. And it's really trying to, like, it's like really hustling backwards, trying to get us to abandon our, like, the same call that the Palestinians have, which is actually fucking do something. Right.

Do something. But, but, but it must be, you must be in a difficult position because the Democrats may not be doing anything for you, you and yours. But at the same time, I mean, you've got Israel making some pretty sweet. appealing appeals to race. I mean, they really know how to sweet talk black people. You know, it's a really, I mean, it's, they just really talking about vibes, you know, just, the racial vibe of Israel is so inviting. Yeah. Israel loves black people so much that they love the prison camp just for black migrants, nobody else, you know. We don't have to deal with other races when we're being incarcerated there. There was a prison camp, hollow detention center that only housed undocumented

people or people seeking asylum from the African continent, despite them being less than 10% of the total undocumented population in Israel. They actually updated... It's like Yimbi, but like, you know, it's like, my backyard is a prison camp in my backyard, yes, in my backyard.

That Israel is a very Yembe country. It's right next to Katsiyote, which is where Palestinians are being held in torture camps as well now. It's like... That's nice. And the law that they used to incarcerate African asylum seekers in Israel was just an updated version, an anti-Palestinian law from the 50s that prevented the right of return and was meant

to criminalize like fedain fighters that was the anti-infiltration law right updated to specifically include African migrants and not other migrants coming to Israel that's uh before that there was the treatment of the Mizraqi Jews I was just watching a video that you did with uh Ravangelo was that his name yeah yeah he was in peace right he died this year didn't he I think he's still alive are you still alive I'm so sorry there was another there was another panther who passed away I think rings so alive okay I take it back this is a bit that that'll be the second the second time that we're saying but we spent we spent 25 minutes eulogizing chomsky on the omar badder episode was it yeah yeah

before it turned out he wasn't dead I like this though let's just keep saying people are dead that's fun um RIP a massive attack but yeah like you know speaking of massive attack has anyone heard from uh the Houthis or Hezbollah or Iran recently? No, anyway, let's move on. I think they're having fun. Everything's chill over there from what I see. But yeah, it's interesting that, you know,

you have been someone who I've known for a long time as a big critic of Israel. You've talked about it for a while. You've been attacked by a lot of the same people who attack all of us. Do you have a Canary Mission profile? Oh, yeah. I was like the second batch.

that's fucking this is I made me look real hot I still don't have one like what Daniel you muted yourself but like what

sorry I muted myself because I need to go find out if I have one right now yeah can you find out I know I don't because I literally search it every day I think you can submit I can submit myself

you should submit yourself I'm going to submit myself I'm going to submit myself I'll do that for you honestly it's really annoying as a comedian you know you always get really excited to be on like any kind of industry list

And like that's for me includes Canary Mission, you know, it's like, hey, a list is a list. A credit is a credit. Yeah, I'm on a lot of these lists and include, yeah. Well, so we got to let some on it. Isn't it, you know, isn't it for you kind of a weird, like a bad move? Because don't you know how popular you would be if you would just be a black Jewish person in support? of Israel. Don't you ever think about like a pivot? I hadn't thought about that.

You know, I think I would make a really good Hosbert troll, actually. I know the whole handbook, back to front. I could do it, you know. Yeah. And Hanzi would go on a speaking tour. You do write sketch comedy, don't you? I do write sketch comedy.

Okay, Tiffany Haddish has got some sketch comedy skills. You could hook her up with some great dialogue, a great premise. Yeah. Ghost write for Tiffany Haddish about how Israel is like the real Wakanda, you know? Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

we go Israel's friend of see you're already you're already spinning gold

here um two very real countries that will definitely last forever yes

Wakanda forever but I want to get into just some of the stuff that was happening post the seventh and how like I know my reaction

I know Daniel's reaction to this but one of the most kind of cringe worthy things for me was to

a Jewish person at a time when all white Jews were outing themselves as being transactional with black people this whole time. For example, you know, there's these tweets that happen. Someone wrote,

when George Floyd was murdered, Jews were out in the streets protesting and getting beat by cops along with our black brothers and sisters. I didn't see Hamas protesting, nor did I see Hamas on social media posting in support of civil rights here in the U.S.

Another example, Juliana Margulis says Black and LGBTQ supporters of Palestine are brainwashed to hate Jews. Thanks, Nurse. She's actually the president of Black America, so I don't appreciate you laughing at her. I'm sorry, yeah, that's sorry.

My apologies, respect is due. You know, always respect the president of Black America, Julianna Marguerliz. And then finally, and this tweet is just, this is just wonderful. That was Elijah Wood for a second. It kind of looks like Elijah Wood. This is from Alicia Weasel.

My mother came to the U.S. in the early 50s after having been a refugee across Europe who narrowly avoided the Nazi death camps. She was a passionate Zionist. And upon seeing the racism that existed in the Jim Crow era, she quickly became a card-carrying member of the NAACP and began regularly attending civil rights protests. our family is betrayed beyond words that the NAACP is asking the United States government and its military, oh, to end its military support for Israel, the Jewish people. It's military of support for Israel. Yeah, it's a very, that's a nice stuff. Just question about this card carrying NWCP member.

Is that where the notion of giving white people a black card? Oh, I like that. I had a couple of times during the hip-hop karaoke days back in New York City where you know, I'd have someone approach me on the street the day after a particularly rousing performance, I don't know, say a Buster Rhymes or something like that. And they'd be like, here's your past to the cookout. Yeah, just, but it expires at midnight tonight. But right. I didn't know that white people could have. None of these people have ever been to a cookout. Let's just start there. Yeah. Let's start there. You know, this happens every 20 minutes again,

where we have these stupid discussions about like my grandfather March with Heschel, which like, no, we didn't, first of all. No, we didn't. I'm calling bullshit. Bullshit. Um, and look, there is a history of Jewish support for the civil rights movement because there's a history of Jewish leftism in America. Yes. Yes. Right. That doesn't mean that black people owe you silence on other racism that's happening in the world, particularly. It doesn't mean that you get to claim that just being a part of the group Jews, that you get to claim all civil rights. support. It's like the most stolen valor shit ever. Totally

stolen valor. And like, let's not forget there were also Jews who were segregationists. There were Jews who were part of the Confederacy. Doesn't mean that that's like all Jews have to carry that around as part of their identity. Yeah. The Yiddish word for the color of black was a pejorative.

That's right. Yeah. Exactly. 100%. And they're like I say the S word. I'm not going to say I'm allowed to say it. You're allowed to say the S word. I'm allowed to say the S word. but here's the thing the Jews who are supporting the civil rights movement

just like white people in general who were supporting the civil rights movement were a minority at the time who were risking something they were risking their jobs in some cases they were risking their lives and some cases they paid with their lives you don't get to wrap yourself

in the yeah the stolen valor of you know swirmer and Goodman who were killed during freedom summer when you're yelling at black people for not supporting an apartheid state that doesn't like us anyway.

It's really, it's, it's really just happens every February. We have the same conversation or people like, why is Black Lives Matter supporting Palestinians? And the truth is, we have this same. Yeah. That's a good one. They are Mississippi burning with envy. The truth is that black people have relationships with Palestinians,

just like we have relationships with the Jewish community. They're built around, you know, a shared struggle, a shared understanding of like what needs to change in this world, and a shared willingness to fight. And if you're not actually, like, part of that shared understanding, if you're railing against that shared understanding, you don't get to invoke it. You don't get to wag your finger.

Yes. And, like, Black Palestinian solidarity has been happening, you know, as long as we've been in touch with each other. You go back to, like, the 60s even. You had the beginnings of the Black Power Movement were really hooking into Third World struggle in general, and Palestine is a huge part of that. The experience of incarceration,

or having a loved one who's incarcerated, something that every black American has had touched their life is something that Palestinians have experienced. You know, when I was working as a journalist in Palestine, one of the things I covered was this, you know, the sort of connection between black radical poets and Palestinian poets.

And George Jackson, when he was killed in his cell, a poem was found that he'd written out that was assumed to be his and published under his name in black, you know, about the experience of being incarcerated. It was later revealed to be a Samuel Kassan poem called Enemy of the Sun. Like, there's just this beautiful, you know, way that our movements have cross-pollinated. And the same way that, like, black folks a lot of times use this, like, language from the Torah and stories from the Torah in our, like, liberation struggle.

Palestinians have also informed that. And they've helped us understand ourselves and vice versa for so long. And vice versa. Yeah. You see portraits of George Floyd on the apartheid wall. Yeah. During Ferguson way back when Gaza and Ferguson,

the people in Palestine implicitly understood. And like, let's also be real. It's not always like rainbows and buttercups, you know, like, in America, oppressed communities are pitted against each other. The black community, the Jewish community are pitted against each other. The black community and the Palestinian community

haven't pitted against each other. There have been times when Palestinians benefited from privilege here that black people weren't able to access. You know, one of the things that, like, people love to bring up is kind of a gotcha, is the fact that the people who called the police on George Floyd were Palestinian, like, convenience store owners. Yeah. That doesn't change.

I didn't even know that. Yeah. But, like, here's the thing. Does that mean every Palestinian would have done that? Does that change the fact that Palestinians were with us fighting every single day in that struggle? There's a structural reason why people are able to immigrate to America or be refugees and live in America and own, like, stores in the black community and benefit from the economic

system that we're excluded from. Right. But, like, you can know that and still know that apartheid is wrong, that genocide is evil, that killing kids is bad, and that we shouldn't be paying for that. Did they get accused of being Karim's? Is that the Arabic version of Karens? Look at Kurt. Wow. Stop.

Welcome to Bad Hasborough, Rebecca. Yeah. We're no serious cogent point ever goes uninterrupted by a silly. Yeah. What about Karen, like K-E-R-E-N? Yeah. No. Right, right.

Right. That is a good pun. You actually did a great pun. But yeah, it is, it is, you know, not unheard of. It is something that is, I think, quite familiar to at least our body politic to have, you know, groups pitted against each other based on, you know, their minority status and then trying to, trying to say, you can't support them because they don't support us and treating everyone like a monolith. Yeah. But to have Jews complaining. I know. This is, I had, I, have I told this story on the pod before, Matt? I don't know. Well, I won't name names, but a prominent, progressive political, cultural figure. Okay.

With, with aspirations to power. Okay. Now I'm trying to guess. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Josh Gadd. Yeah. Once said to me in sort of a conspiratorial kind of whisper, like, not conspiratorial, but kind of commiseratory, we were there for them, the summer of 2020. Where are they for us now?

And this was when, I don't know, some swastikas were appearing on, exactly, it was Pauly Shore. Thank you, Adam, good guess. You blew my cover. And I just looked at this person in the face. It was the whistle. I'm sorry. Go on. That's it.

Solidarity is because it's the right thing to do. Right. Not because someone's perfect. Not because they're going to pay you back later. It's because it's the right thing to do. Did you think it was the right thing to do to oppose a black person getting kneeled on until they were murdered or not? Right. Well, I mean, I opposed it, but only because I assumed that eventually they would support my apartheid state's right to exist.

And then as soon as they didn't, I was just like, damn, that's really kind of very. racist of you not to literally let me do whatever I want and support. I opposed it but only because I was really afraid they'd accuse me of being fragile. Yeah exactly he didn't want to get that white fragility charge. I never felt more

white than after the October 7th and having all of the white Jews that I knew who not just any though like ones that were like they're had really good careers in Hollywood have them all be like

damn we're kind of we're kind of like black people in a way if you think about it i was just like oh this whole time really this whole time i thought you were like you know using like empathy or like your ability to like try to put yourself in someone else's shoes i didn't know that you were just like no i get this because this is your life is like my life when will hollywood do right by the jewish people i know when when will it uh yeah so i mean i mean i I imagine for you, it's always, Rebecca, it's got to be even more annoying because you kind of exist as like the proof that neither Jews nor blacks are a monolith. And therefore, you know, I imagine you are, exists as an inconvenience for a lot of the

Hezbarists who are out there. Is that, would you say that you've been attacked by people who have found that to be maybe your most annoying quality, that you are like a living intersectional person? For sure. I think it's the intersection and the fact that I like make the connections. You know, my Canary Mission profile and the other, you know, profiles about me on these like blacklisting sites, tender really zero in on when I'm talking about white supremacy as something affects Palestinians, black folks and also, you know, people of color in the Jewish community. That's something that I've gotten a lot of hate for. There's a whole campaign trying to say that I'm like,

not a real Jew or like my dad's not a real Jew because he had a confirmation not a bar mitzvah or like whatever bullshit people want to say a lot of like punnet squares of my racial identity which is super normal. Yeah.

And you know I've learned to kind of like tune that out because I think the I actually have like real things to say it's not just that I'm a black Jew it's that I'm a black Jew who's like making points about how these systems are connected, but it's very common. And I will say a lot of the blacklisting techniques that have been really normalized, like, to silence Jewish descent on Palestine,

we're kind of being tested on black Jews for a long time. Like, you would see these weird smear campaigns, you know, a few years ago, like 2018, we had like a bunch of black Jews. I think that was the year. It's been a while writing for like the Jewish Daily Forward. And we're all getting these weird hit pieces and like people are just obsessed. with our background, proving we're not real Jews, proving that, like, or trying to say that we, like, invented being Jewish that we could criticize the state of Israel. Right. And then you have this whole, like, un-Jew discourse that's now being applied to, like, anyone

who's critical of Israel. And so I think, like, voices in that vein have been seen as a threat for a long time. And also because we can kind of undermine some of these, like, these talking points that are meant to split communities apart, whether it's the, you know, black and Jewish community or the Black and Palestinian community or the triangulation between the three that we see, which happens all the time, those of us who are meaningfully part of these communities.

Like, I'm annoyingly Jewish, but anyone who actually knows me. I go to, like, there's three different synagogues. I might show up to it at a given, like, Friday night of the Bay Area. Like, I'm sorry, I'm, like, a little too Jewish, right? Yeah, yeah. And also I'm active in, like, black politics and, like, live in a black part,

like, historically black part of my city and, like, engage. Yeah. And, like, that's the real reason I have something to say. That's the real reason that, like, when I say something, I kind of know what I'm talking about, or it might have ways because of these community connections. And I do think people on the right are freaked out by that a little bit. But, like, I do think at the end of the day, like, if I was just, like, doing TikTok dances

and, like, not saying anything, they probably wouldn't care, you know? No, 100%. It's really the, it's, like, having a political voice. Yeah. Wouldn't have been targeted by Schmo and tell pro. That's the code name. That is. Everyone knows. Yeah, well, it is. And also, you know, you also do some great filmmaking work, too. I mean, you made a documentary about the Black Panther movement within Israel. And, you know, we'll put a link to that. And yeah, you know, you've, it is always great when we're, you know, when I see people in the entertainment industry. I mean, I know there's like other things outside of my little world. But for me, you know, I'm always just like, you know, we need more and more representation within the entertainment.

We need more Jews in the entertainment industry. We need more like good, meaningful representation of Jews in the entertainment industry. Because a lot of like any other community, like a lot of what I see put out about Jews in the entertainment industry is very flattening. Oh, 100%. Or you have to go into the indie world to see. There's great films about Jews. There's stuff that will represent so many different levels of our experience. but it's not what gets fed to people in a mainstream area.

And I know it's, like, fun to joke about, like, Jews in the media, da-da-da-da. Right, right. There are things that we can ask for better representation for. Oh, yeah. And unfortunately, sometimes it's Jews who are working in the industry who are, like, doing really just bad jokes, things that are not funny, the things that are not, like, engaging culturally with, like, for example, Mizorafi Jews.

What are the stories of Jews who aren't European? What happened to them after they got to Israel? Right. After they were, quote, unquote, saved from their country. what happened to them you know like there's questions that if you actually care about jewish people you you ask right you know um that are not being asked because it's kind of like outside of like we're not making jokes about pickles what do we want like what are we doing for sure no a lot of people think if you just take a like just take any word or phrase and you just replace the first

consonant with like s C HM it's going to be like that's funny right you know like that's comedy ha ha ha ha ha hazbarah shmasbara you know right yeah dude grow up yeah exactly there's more to this uh and also i love the uh loki jab at uh the pickle movie uh i mean i actually love the pickle movie i thought it was bad there's a pickle movie yeah it was that Seth Rogan yeah and he was doing his little thing my summer camp kid i was I was his counselor up in British Columbia one summer you were you were for like calling out Israel once upon a time. Once upon a time he did.

Calling it out by being, you know, as, yeah, like being over it. Yeah, over it. Which for Seth Rogen is like, is to crying something. Yeah. Was he like that at camp? Was he just over it? He was, well, he was over everything except how, how cute and funny he was. I mean, he was, he knew he was hot shit.

He already, he wasn't quite, I don't think he had freaks and geeks the summer I had him, but he was about to. Oh, he was about to become famous kid. moved to L.A. Yeah. He was, he was, you know, he was his, his persona. He was, he was endearingly, annoyingly, lackadaisical and hard to motivate.

Yeah, I wish, I wish. But lovely guy, really lovely guy. Yeah, I wish, I wish he wasn't paralyzed with fear about the fact that, you know, people are talking about Jews now, but it's very clear that that is what's happening with him. He could say something. But it doesn't. But we're not going to focus on him.

No, we're going to focus on some of the great representation that we have here in Los Angeles, in Hollywood, of Jews in the media. We're just trying to get peace. And by that, I mean stop Bissan, Aouda, from getting an Emmy nomination. Finally, someone has the courage to speak up against Big Bison. Big Bison. and we're going to get into that in a moment but first we need to take a little

commercially break a bissel just a imbissal of break and so just stick around and we will be on your tuchus yeah stick around your tuchus and we will be

right back and we're back and we're back hope everyone's feeling good I just pushed out Ein Bissell of Pistel Out of my Sheckle

I'm sorry I don't know why I start too early I'm talking about piss and dicks But we are here We're here with Rebecca Pierce Very happy to have you And we're going to be talking about Creative Community for Peace, y'all

This is an organization that recently the end in new york times wrote about okay so they wrote about how this org is trying to get the emmys to rescind their emmy nomination for bison alas uh like had a short it's like a web short like eight minutes like news short um as part of her series of hi i'm barely surviving yes hi finding time to inform the world about it on the streets journalism series yeah just a little side project, little labor of love you put together. The title of it is literally

here, let me see if I can find it. I believe it is called it's Bissan from Gaza and I'm still alive. That's the title of the thing that got nominated. Why is she spreading hate? Still alive! So just to

catch you up on what's going on with this. So news, Emmys, defend the nomination of Palestinian journalists. A non-profit had argued that a video from Gaza should be disqualified, accusing the reporter of having a history of, quote, spreading anti-Semitism and

condoning violence. Now, what they said specifically... It's a lot of violent content in her videos. It's true. It's true. I mean, you can't, you know, you've got to be honest, what's more violent than bombs being thrown at you?

That's pretty fucked up. she doesn't need to put that in the background i mean yeah exactly it's subliminal yeah she could do something you know more fun sing a song you know like why she got to talk about it also that's good way to spread anti-semitism by living um so you know you know who dropped that bomb a jew uh yeah exactly and now you're gonna that's the implication that's the implication creative community for peace and the entertainment industry non-profit that opposes anti-semitism and cultural boycotts of Israel, had published an open letter on Monday

asking the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences to rescind its Emmy nomination for, quote, it's Bazan from Gaza and I'm still alive. The eight-minute report was filmed and narrated by Bassan Aouda and produced by AJ Plus. Shout out to my old stomping grounds. The digital publisher of Al Jazeera, It showed what life was like for Outa in late October when she lived in a tent

outside of the Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. And for Gazan, she interviewed, including an 11-year-old who said his parents had died when his home. Who said. Who said, who claimed. That is the most New York Times-ass little inclusion of two unnecessary words ever. Would you ever hear that about an Israeli? Yeah. An Israeli who saw 40 beheaded babies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who said, who said that their parents died in the Holocaust. Like, no, it's just like you would never see this ever. And just I want to. A Jew who said their people have been historically persecuted. Yeah, allegedly. I want to play a little bit of Bissan's thing, just so you can see the tone, the very anti-Semitic tone of her content. Good

morning, everyone. This is Vissan from Gaza. It's the day 23 of continuous bumping. I'm smiling because I'm alive. So I think we all agree that her smiling through this, super anti-Semitic, kind of fucked up

to, you know, be happy. They smile in your face. What is that song by the OJs? Backstabbers. Sounded good, though. You know, anyone who smiles it you don't know i'm smelling right now y'all better run exactly oh oh but yeah this this article goes on to talk about uh how this letter has more than 150 signatories uh and and this includes film

executives and performers like selma blair and deborah messing so glad they're still around um she's still messing around and debor messy yeah she talked about being and messy she has you know pretty much existed since October 7th to be a crying white woman

and she's doing a great job of it you know what I mean? She's out here trying to get Emmys nominations rescinded it's wild too because the claim of anti-semitism and like her

they're essentially claiming that Bison is a terrorist because they are connecting her to the, what is it, the PFLP? I believe that is the connection that they're making here. Is the open letter? It says yes. The Yemening

nomination for, it's Besson from Gaza and I'm still alive, is deeply troubling. Given the creator's history, promoting dangerous falsehood, spreading anti-Semitism and condoning violence, Bissan-Aduz's affiliation with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a

United States designated terrorist organization raises serious ethical concerns at cannot and should not be ignored. I got to say, it must have sucked for them to not be able to connect her to Hamas specifically. Yeah. You know, they couldn't even call her Hamas.

They were like, what the fuck? PFLP? All right. The next sentence is crazy too. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It keeps going. someone linked to an organization that has caused so much pain and suffering is not just irresponsible. It is a direct affront to the values we hold dear in the entertainment

industry. And our dear friend and former IDF soldier Galgadoo told us so. We all know about the values of the entertainment industry. Famous for its values and the ones they hold beer. Famous for its IDF fundraisers. Yeah. And its CIA overseers. Yeah, is there a Marvel movie that hasn't had a CIA Like behind the scenes director? Yeah, there's like there's literally not a Marvel movie That hasn't had the U.S. Army there going like, all right, here's some new technology We're going to show it. Also, yeah, use all our planes.

I swear, like Marvel's going to be able to like claim its right of self-determination at some point. Marvel is a state. Yeah, Marvel is a state. And they're going to at some point have their own. little Israel. It'll be like a mark. And they do have an Israeli superhero coming out, right? That wasn't I made that I made that terrible joke. In the Black Captain America movie, we're going to have a Israeli superhero. Oh, perfect. Well, that won't, that that won't strain relations between no. I mean, blacks won't have to deal with the tension of supporting Palestine at least.

Exactly. They can just support Sabra. We need to support Anthony Mackey. clearly and totally in line with with with uh african-american self-interest a hundred percent of israel um but yeah it's got signatories like deborough messing and selma blair and uh what i find wonderful is uh the kind of issues that uh that they care about seem to be all along the lines of like entertainment industry shit it's like they're very focused on it and just so we all know what creative community for peace is because i think it sounds normal right creative community for peace i like peace i'm creative a part of a community so this is a pro-israel organization that is specifically was founded uh in order to oppose the bds movement uh it is literally

it was created by a guy named David Rezner is a former CEO of the Universal Music Publishing A relationship to Trent, I hope. Probably not, but let's just say not and feel good about that along with someone

from EA and someone from MMG Music and they according to Wikipedia, the three decided to start the organization while eating breakfast in Tel Aviv and they were discussing the BDS movement and they went,

you know what we need to do is we need to counter it by making an organization that is specifically targeted towards getting celebrities to speak out for us. I'm sure they were eating breakfast you know, in the basement of some kind

of Mossad bunker. Yeah. Where they made sure to, you know, give them all kinds of, you know, it was a catered meeting for sure that they could not leave until they signed. Yeah. But they got some nice Burakas. and the hummus with the pickles and all the Israeli accoutrements

and the Israeli salad. And they just spontaneously came up with this idea to go along with a plan that had been drafted for them. Yeah, they'd be like, you know, it'd be a real shame if we couldn't get Shaq to come here and eat some Shaqshuka. We could call it Shaqshuka, you know? They can't do a cultural boycott of Israel

because then we will never get Shaq Shuka. I tried my first AI image because I hate AI, but once I had the pun, I had to go for it. Oh, yeah? It was Shaq. Shaquille O'Neal in like a royal Arab headdress, drinking a milkshake, and I called it Sheikh Shaq. Oh, that's good. That's really good. Did it work?

Not too many likes. How many fingers did he have? Yeah. How many fingers did he have? That's always where they fuck it up. He had 10, but two of them were coming out of his left ear. Yeah, close enough. But yeah, it is like this, you know, just something.

So I love the Orwellian names of these like clearly pro-Israeli, like lobby groups that are out there. Just the creative community for peace. Signing a letter that, of course, was signed by also Haim Saban, the front man. Not power rangers. What's that? Not the guy behind Power Rangers. Yeah, literally the guy who made Power Rangers and probably. you know that was the end of his career after that right no he's not done more oh he's done a lot fuck

um and then also i love david drayman the front man for disturbed he's the disturbed front he is a big zionist and it's like really unfortunate because i i love disturbed or at least i did you know at one point uh he's out here in these streets pretty disturbing it is disturbing he's down with the sickness and that sickness is support for the idf And then And then we have Selma Blair Selma Blair who I won't get into too much

She just didn't she just get run up on for being like Islamophobic? Oh I'm sure I mean Selma Blair is She's a member of creative community for peace Yeah she can't be Islamophobic She's for peace No Selma Blair recently I saw commented on this video

And I just had to share it Because it showed like the exact kind of like the exact kind of like pro-Israel advocacy that the like Hollywood types are like supporting and I just I can't you guys just got to watch it check this out there is a celiac hostage in Gaza

the little intel is there is there is a celiac and I cut out the name because I don't I'm not making fun of a hostage, but this is a video about a hostage who has celiac disease. So here we go. It's been able to get because Red Cross still hasn't seen the hostages, which is basically unheard of in a hostage situation.

On a panel in February, his father said, Olmer is also celiac, so we can't eat bread, and what do they give them over there? PETA, Lebanon, bread. So what his stomach is eating is itself. And I can't find a single thing about gauzenes with celiac, but I'm sure there are. And I'm sure when they're getting any food, it's probably not gluten-free either.

I mean, you, someone is just like, do you hear yourself? Do you hear yourself? Just, I can't, I can't, how can you make a video where the point of the video

is to talk about celiac disease and the hostages having special, dietary needs i'm not saying listen i am allergic to peanuts and a lot of other tree nuts but do you think i don't think that's a first thing you think that's a first thing he's thinking about you think that's what he's in you think he's in you know gaza he's being held hostage and he's just like you know really the fact that it isn't gluten-free is really the crime It's very, very cruel, Matt, because one of the first things Hamas did after October 7 is they

deliberately shut down all the gluten-free bakeries. That's right. They shut down the vegan cafes. This was a diabolical plan because they knew they had Jews incoming with sensitive stomachs, lactose intolerance. And they've been training their children, even their lactose intolerant and celiac children. in a crisis to withstand it, but they knew that the Israeli Jews would not be able to stand that.

And now... They teach their children to be intolerant to gluten. That's exactly right. Let's take this person seriously, though, like, just for the sake of it. Take a bargain. If you're really concerned about, like, the conditions that people are being held

and that they're getting nutritious food, you know, that their rights are being respected, I think it's really important that there not be a famine. Yeah. Man-made famine being inflicted. conflicted on the area that they're in, that they're not being indiscriminate bombings. Yes. Happening in the area that they're in, that there be good faith attempts to negotiate.

Yes. Which every Israeli who has a family member in, you know, in Hamas, you know, it's a hostage right now will tell you that's not happening. Right. They're out of the streets every single day processing for that. So, like, let's take that seriously. Is the issue, like, the lack of gluten-free alternatives or the fact that there's so much injustice for every single person there, including.

including Israelis who are being held by house. And at least, if you're going to have right-wing settlers or returning aid trucks, if they really care about those hostages, those gluten-free hostages, the sealing hostages, they should be like reserving one little corner of the aid and just saying, okay, this one goes to and then give the specific location and be like, give it to this guy. Right. You know, but they're not. They're just destroying it all.

They don't give a shit. They tell the hostess, like someone who was brought back was told you should have stayed there because the cost of bringing you back was too much. Yes, right. Yes. And it's, you know, it's, God forbid they should, they should say, no, I wasn't sexually abused or, or, my biggest, my biggest fear was a building drop, you know, was getting bombed by the IDF, yes. And, and it's just like, you know, there's levels, right, where I'm like so used to this like bad faith caring about the hostages thing that a lot of, you know, pro-Israel like supporters in the West are doing. Like, at this point, I can't even be mad anymore whenever a person with a yellow ribbon is just like bring them home, which means continue to do the ethnic cleansing and genocide of Gaza. Like, I'm so, I'm used to it.

What I'm not used to is making a whole-ass video about celiacs disease about the gluten-free hostage and expecting anyone to be like, damn, that's just another reason to continue bombing Gaza, you know? Like, I, I just, I'm glad I have another reason to hate. It's one way of performing the pre-Passover right of Bernie Khammits. Uh-huh. Yeah. You just, you just torch the entire place. Yeah, there we go.

No more gluten. No more gluten. It's gone. Gaza is on the verge of being gluten-free, but not in the sense that this person means. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's easy to be gluten-free when you are literally destroying all. of the agriculture um but yes so that's the kind of shit that like silma blair liking that post was wonderful for me because i found it through her and i was just like this is great i'm just glad to

know that they're you know you're signing a letter being like don't give someone who's surviving a genocide an emmy and also please give some gluten-free bread to my guy in hostage it in captivity in Gaza. It's very nice. But yeah. So that's going on with that. The other thing I wanted to talk about today is an article that actually, Daniel, you brought up. And this is just a, it's just one of those things where, again, a lot of things.

Why are you so glum? It's good news. It's great news for us. It's just so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. Put it up on the screen. I'll read it. It's, I think it's time to get happy, guys. It's time to get happy.

This redounds well for us. All right, I'm putting it on the screen. This is a great article that it should make every, everyone, every Jewish friend of yours feel good. And everyone else feels super shitty. And everyone else feel super shitty. Here it is. This is. Can we, can we get the real.

So, from the Jerusalem Post. Yeah. Oh, my God. I think it's a book review of a book by George Gilder. And here's the title, The Israel Test, making the case for Judaism's culture of mind, the review. The source of anti-Semitism, George Gilder believes, is Jewish superiority and excellence.

Just, I mean, listen, if you want to feel good as a Jew right now, read this article because it'll just make you feel totally normal and good and not at all otherized in a way that makes you feel like shit. So here we go. Let's read. Let's read this. In this post-October

7th reshaped edition of his classic book, The Israel Test, George Gilder's central thesis is confirmed and strengthened. You don't say. After October 7th, he found that he was even more right than he thought. Crazy. Crazy.

He firmly believes oh sorry this fucking this fucking website sucks ass all right here we go we should have grabbed the oh yeah we should have go ahead

he firmly believes that the Jewish people nurture within themselves an intellect that is both a gift and a goad for the rest of the world these ideas

expounded with conviction and even fervor fervor you don't say genetic superiority he's got a hundred and two degree fervor do not

emanate from the pen of a passionate Zionist Jew. Gilder is not Jewish. He was born into a classic wasp family with highly literate and artistic forebears. See? Even they say we're the most superior. Even the wasps.

Cool. Who are superior to us, which means we must be superior. Gilder points out that the proportion of people with an IQ of 140 or more is about six times higher among Jews than any other population. He cites the extraordinary... Always knew we were smart.

Smart man right here. Yeah. He cites the extraordinary fact that Jews forming much less than a single percent of the world's population have won 32% of the Nobel Prizes awarded in the 21st century. We talked about that last week with Jess Solomon.

What do you think about all this, Rebecca? Pretty impressive, right? This is like when your mom tells you that you're getting bullied because you're smart and not because you're fucking nerd. Yes. 100% it is absolutely they're just like it's just because you're so handsome i have to say i feel a lot better when i know that people are measuring my skull and decide that i have a good shape skull and on a

bad shape skull like it feels good to be on the good shape side of the spectrum for once because you know we've been we used to be on the bad shape side yeah and now the eugenicists like us and i just think that's called moving on up yeah it's called phrenological uh motivation that's right i just like i like it when you draw the exact same Nazi cartoon, but you say, look at this smart, handsome guy. Like,

that's good. It's, he's grabbing the globe, but it's, you know, but it's because he's so soft and cuddly. Like, it's just the same fucking racist race science.

I love. The globe, a nice warm hug. Yeah. You got to be a real weirdo. I got to say to be like a wasp and write something like this about Jews. Like you,

100%. 100%. And just think that's, going to go over normal. And you've got to be an even bigger weirdo to be a Jew and be like, this is actually great for us. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, it is the craziest thing about it too is like there's, this is

why I can't stand everybody. This is why this just annoys me the most is that there's nothing in between for these psychopaths. It's either you are an absolute Nazi and you're just like Jews represent a satanic form of evil that we have never seen before in this world and must be wiped out.

Or it's like, Jews are the smartest people in the world and should be given everything. And you're just like, can't you just treat us like normal? You fucking weirdos? I was just checking Wikipedia to see if there's any chance he has like a nagging Jewish wife. Sorry, but we're going to get stereotypical. I was wondering, what could possibly motivate this? Update the book. Update the book and say how smart our son is.

You equivocate it. But his wife's name is Cornelia, NeNe, Brooke Ewing. That sounds pretty was. He's probably like an Episcopalian or something. Like, they always are like, I would convert if I could. I would convert if I didn't want to go to hell. I love that. Yeah.

All right. Allied to this inherent Jewish intellectual prowess, Gilder discerns a distinctly Jewish culture of mind, emanating from within Judaism itself. It fosters the go-getting entrepreneurial spirit that is the essential basis of capitalism. That's not where I thought he was going. I thought it was going to be like, we're talking about Maimonides and Rambam and the moral, deep, philosophical thinkers, the Talmud.

No, we're talking about this, baby. He's just saying we're good with money. That's it. The Jews have an inherent, acquisitive nature. Yes, that make them really good at making money, which is why you see what you see. This is like if you said that black people were superior because we have. a great jump shot. Exactly.

I was thinking that when I saw the word prowess in that, I'm like think of what prowess has been used to describe black people about. I love that. This guy writes a book about like how this is DNA evidence that black people do have an extra muscle

in their cap that makes them jump higher. It's just like, cool. You're not racist. Things get even better from here. Israel Gilder writes, quote, produces a vastly outsized share of the world's No, yeah. Most of them contained in our theme song lyrics. And he maintains, quoting chapter and verse, I guess that means there's a footnote or two, that the United States' economic reliance on Israel increases year by year. I'm sorry, whose reliance on who? Yeah. Well, you know how like we, if we, if there's no Israel, where are we getting our cherry tomatoes, where are we getting our hummus? Where are we getting our, um, our

technology for doing future fascism. Did Farrakhan write this book? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, I love... Speaking of Farrakhan, RIP Phil Donahue. I know. If you want to go back and find out what you missed,

if you're not Gen X like me or older, go watch the Donahue show. Go watch Farrakhan on the Donahue show. Go watch other Nation of Islam and black leader, sister soldier, kind of schooling Cornell West. on the Phil Donahue show whether whoever you agree with the platform that these people got on mainstream corporate television in the afternoon he was Oprah's main rival and just the platform he gave people to just speak yeah intelligent and thoughtful and provocative it was a different time

and I miss it yeah all right p to a real one who got who got fucking fired by MSNBC for being anti-Iraq war yeah yeah yeah yeah all right p to a real one um let's continue this is this is this The article is incredible. Okay. The most precious resource in the world, he says, is human genius, which he defines as the ability to devise inventions and enterprises and to create works of art and science that enhance human survival and prosperity. Absolutely. Cherry Tomato, heart stand, taco salad, all Israeli inventions. At any one time, Gilder believes, genius is embodied in probably fewer than 50,000 creative, individual okay i got to read that again at any one time gilder believes based on nothing based on

based on belief based on belief of a creative individual who managed to slip in there but despite not being jewish genius is embodied and probably fewer than 50,000 creative individuals which means that Israel hasn't even killed the number of creative individuals that's right exactly exactly what This is like when the Jehovah's witnesses say like there's like a cap on who gets into heaven and it's like 70,000 people or something like. Yeah, that's right. They're all Jews. That's right. And during the 20th century, an astounding proportion of geniuses have been Jewish. Today, he says an outsized chair of the world's genius resides in Israel. Well, if by genius you mean former child sex predators who have fled there because of the right of return. I'm sorry, but just as like, listen, just there's disproportionate genius going on in Israel. The sources, fouder, sources, the lady who did the chicken dance at the Eurovision contest a couple years ago. And also, even by that, for Cocta definition of genius.

Right. Or kind of arbitrary one, let's say. Yeah. Who are you to say this less than 50,000 people? Oh, yeah. What is this number come from? Creating art and think... I happen to think genius is a human faculty that exists in everybody, personally.

Yeah. I sort of, people who identify as geniuses or labeled geniuses, you might say that these people's geniuses come to huge fruition in public acclaim. Fine. But even if that's true, anyway, fuck it. No, no, I know what you're saying completely. just it's a completely arbitrary number of geniuses and then also like the you know the way that it's quantified i'm sure is not at all eurocentric uh i'm sure that uh you know the the points of genius

that he points out aren't uh specifically defined um by you know a standard set by let's you know Jews in the past that were non-Israeli you know what i mean like there's this this like i've said before a concerted effort to kind of do cultural appropriation of all Jewish you know like geniuses or musical geniuses, film geniuses whatever writers

Israel is just claimed yeah famous Israelis Stephen Sondheim yeah right Israel just kind of claims all Jewish accomplishments as their own not unlike Mormons who are just like we're going to go baptize Anne Frank's grave and it's like

you're Mormon now and frank and it's like what this is the same shit you know this is like so like psychology like you just there's clearly some kind of like for the people who love this shit some kind of inferiority complex that's still happening yeah that you need to glom on to some like freak wasp saying the jews are like finally good yes that you need to publish this like if you have like real accomplishments you know that you're proud of and you feel ownership over those you don't need some weird eugenics argument for why jews are special and good and i don't know what the lack is that people are feeling but maybe deal with that and not look to some

phrygozoid who wants to talk about how many points you have in your molars or whatever the fuck well it's a good example of the same point we i beat to death on this podcast all the time which is that once you start down the zionist uh tunnel you're coming committed to an anti-Semitic view of the world. Yes. Because it accepts the premise from the start that Jews are fundamentally different, and they are a mismatch for the rest of the world. Yeah.

And that, therefore, we're not, the anti-Semites are right. We're different. We don't fit in. We don't blend. And so now we have to talk about our eternal unique victimhood, our eternal unique superiority. You're constantly finding evidence to sort of, either explicitly or

subtly buttress your justification for having a big militarized funded by America ghetto for us that we that we that we from which we rule everything in the Middle East yeah and also lets

anti-Semites off the hook Europe never had to grapple with what it would mean to be a multicultural society that included Jews because there was a place that they could send them or a place that the problem could go disappear to yes yes and then and then they would have had to admit that the arabs got something right because the arabs knew how to do that for quite a while in terms of you know allowing for jews to flourish and be a an important part of a multicultural actually a multi-religious maybe not multicultural but a multireligious society within a single culture yeah am i am i right about that

I mean, listen, I didn't, I was reading more of the articles. I don't know what you said, but it sounded right. Well, I think, you know, the Holocaust happened in Europe. I don't want to dismiss the idea that there was anti-Semitism in other places, but the capital A anti-Semitism that we reference a lot of the time is very much rooted in European history. And if you look at the history of the world, anti-Semitism played a really big role in, like, the foundations of white supremacy generally. and like that didn't come out of anywhere else but Europe like the idea the foundational ideas of race and who is white and who is not a lot of that started with like how Jews were being racialized how Irish people were being racialized how many others are being racialized in Europe so like I'm not a I'm not a student of like the whole history of the world but I really try to understand white supremacy from a European context because it's framed my whole life as a black Jewish person right and like Israel has created you know, a really big out for Europe in terms of having to deal with, like,

what would it actually mean for us to make amends to give Jews back what was taken from them? And it also creates, because Israel is in constant conflict with its neighbors, because it's, you know, in the constant conflict with Palestinians, because it's occupying their homeland. There's also people we can point to as the bigger anti-Semites, you know? Yeah. And so, like, Europe and the West don't have to deal with our own history. Yeah. And, you know, I think there's something, there's something about the argument of like, you know, they hate us because they ain't us, you know, talking about, you know, fucking, oh, this is all just stems from jealousy.

There's something, I think, appealing about that, like, facile type thing. Because, you know, you see with Nazis specifically, just like the hatred of Jews. being, you know, like, something where you're like, they hate that we, you know, they say we control the media. They say that we control fucking, you know, this, that, and the other. And we want to dominate the world. They're saying it because they think we're like super powerful. And so it's like, I understand wanting to take back that kind of argument and being, and use it, you know, to feel some sort of pride.

The problem is that at some point you become like an adult, right? Like full grown person who's like has lived experience and stuff. And you realize that like trying to invert the racist narrative of your, you know, of your enemy and just be like, you know, yeah, I'm going to create a whole country that this is the foundation of it like theological or, you know, philosophically. you got to be a little bit like a full grown man to be like oh wait hey maybe this article is a fucking gift to candace owens yes it is nix fuentes and all these people why wouldn't i if i was and i've said this before probably on this podcast or maybe i said it somewhere else i was a person who's already feeling like you know i'm sure i'm hearing about hearing about jews a lot and i don't really live near any and i sure hear a lot of people talking about how concerned they are about

Jews, and I'm hearing a lot of Jewish people who don't seem to have any real problems talking about how hard they have it, and I'm looking around me at my community and so on and so forth, right? In other words, if I'm someone who's kind of predisposed to a, I don't really know about Jews, or what's up with these Jews? And then I see an article like this that's like, this upper crust East Coast wasp professors says Jews are superior to everybody in the Jerusalem post. Well, the next time someone, I go online, And someone's like, you know, the Jews think they're superior to everyone, which, by the way, Finklstein says all the time. And he's right.

He's actually right that that is a strain in our culture, which is partly cope. And you can have some empathy for how we cope, right? Sure. So self-deprecation, right? But an article like this is just a pure fascist, supremacist, chauvinist, self-puffery version of it tied to a state with all the military power in the world. Right. And it's completely on the teat of the U.S. economy. I don't know.

That's kind of like a thousand gateways to more anti-Semitism and not less. And Daniel, like what you said, it has nothing to do with what's actually interesting or cool or intellectual about being Jewish. They're not looking at like our cultural history of debate, which is fascinating. And one of the coolest things for me is like being part of a thousand-year-long argument. You know, like none of it is pride and actually like what it means to be a Jew, what it means to be in community with other Jews. It's this weird thing about how other people perceive us.

Right. which get your own thing like your like your community for being something that offers you something or that you're proud to be part of don't like look to whitey yeah it's validate you we used to lord it over each other and fight over horse mule horse mule like in fiddler on the roof you know that's charming yeah no now literally we're talking about like tech innovations and fucking entrepreneurship like and IQ And IQ points, which, you know, I'm sorry, but like, you know, it's a good thing that IQ is not a problematic measure in any way. Also, I'm going to venture a guess that there, if there's a lot of Jews with a high IQ, it's just because more of us are taking those fucking test because we're neurotic. Yes, exactly. And we're always trying to prove something to our fucking mom or our dad. My, my, uh, my cousin's bris was postponed because the, I heard his IQ test ran late. Wait, wait.

Wait, what? All right. Okay. I was like, yeah, I was like, wait, wait, wait. Come on, that would be a pretty good bit. That would be great. Yeah. I was ready to believe you. Like, the idea that this is just purely serves as a gift to neo-Nazis, I think, is, I think that can't be summed up better than sort of this part in the article. And Daniel, you can continue reading this.

Yeah. In his afterward chapter, Gilder recounts how his family perched near the top of the American establishment, you don't say. You don't say. Was actively phylo-Semitic. Really? We don't want to kink shame here, but I don't want to know what was going on in that family's basement. Yeah. The Jewish version of Get Out with a bunch of wasps inviting Jews over for God.

That's literally what this is. Or some Jew love. yes um although although still not immune to the general mix of disdain admiration and anxiety about jews okay hold on hold on hold on yes phylo-semitism is a general mix of disdain admiration and anxiety about jews that's what produces phylo-semitism yes a hundred percent so there's no although about it yeah that's what you you mix those things in a bowl you add you add waspy upper crustness and lack of anything to lose, really. Yes.

And a sense of general superiority. And you get phylo-Semitism. How do you not, how are you not embarrassed? You're telling yourself here, it's just like, oh, first of all, we come from an actively philosemitic family. Actively. They were observant, philosemites. Yeah, we were observant.

...generations of people who are weird about Jews, you know. Dude, this is like... Every Saturday they went to Shul. and specifically they would go to the parking lot and sit outside in their car and just kind of look at the Jews and what are those Jews doing I bet they're doing something smart

oh you Jews but like did I have I told the story of the time that I dated the anti-Semite for a little bit I didn't know she was an anti-Semite she just kept saying how much she liked Jews and I was like well that's cool and then I went over to her apartment

and her room was filled with Jerry Lewis posters. And I was like, oh, wait. Speaking of high IQ. Well, yeah, speaking of a genius. But it was like the first time that I realized like phylo-Semitism was sort of anti-Semitism because she also used to hit me a lot. And it was like this weird thing where I was like, I don't know if she likes Jews. I think she's just, she's attracted to like.

the Jerry Lewis, nebish, like, type of Jew, like she wants... And did it turn out she was trying to stick it to her anti-Semite father? I don't know what it was. I think she just wanted to femned a Jew, and I didn't... Like, I wish I'd known that before. And anyways, the point is phylo-Semitism is a general mix of disdain, admiration, and anxiety about Jews. Amazing.

Amazing. He records some of his family's outstanding achievements in the artistic and industrial. fields. Like virtually all Americans who accomplished anything important in the 20th century, he says, they had crucially important Jewish colleagues and collaborators. I thought he was going to say, like virtually all Americans who accomplished nearly anything important in the 20th century, they stole it from black people. Right. Can I say. Yes. Colleagues and collaborators, who helped them steal it from black people.

Yes. And they were Jewish. More anti-Semitic language. And exactly, exactly. The United States Gilder maintains, like all those throughout history who have been faced by the fact of Jewish brilliance in 60s. You just know this guy sucks at parties. That's all we're talking about. Oh, my God. This is so embarrassing. I just sent you the article. I didn't actually read it.

I knew it would be good. I wanted to cold read it because I just, all right, has a choice. Resent it or embrace it as a divine gift to the world. That's right. All right, you just, guys, you either accept the brilliance of our genius here at Bad Hasbara, the world's most moral podcast. Crazy Jews. Or you fucking resent it. We don't give a shit.

That's called, that's a new segment called Love It or Leave It. Love it or leave it. That's right. I want you to come. Do not come. I'm a little scared. That's our Netanyahu signboard in case you're not a regular listener. Yes.

that's incredible all those who have been faced by the fact of Jewish brilliance have a choice resent it or embrace it this is a gift to neo-Nazis this is a complete like this is them absorbing

their ideology and saying but what if we made it positive like I've never seen it so explicit though you know like I've never seen this is the fucking this is the fucking clan 100%. And I love it that it's written, it's written by a guy who's got like his credentials is that he's not Jewish. And I'm like, maybe we don't value ourselves that much, you guys. Well, he's kind of admitting that he does have the same worldview as a neo-Nazi. He's just coping better than that. That's the whole point. It's like, do you feel fucking weird every time you see a synagogue? Do you feel weird every time someone's last name is Yiddish? Well, you can either.

be a fucking Nazi or you can be like me and just be cool about it Yeah, yeah Be like actually It's good that they control the world Yeah So some thoughts are inside of our Jewish

Yeah You can figure out how to work with Our Jewish overlords Yeah You will be richly rewarded Right, you'll be rewarded Right, you'll be rewarded Then you'll be really happy

So he's like the house whitey Yes he is the house whitey But yeah Today that choice Is focused Not on individual Jews within U.S. society, but on the Jews as a nation.

That is today's, quote, Israel test. Will America and the world acknowledge the truth about Israel and its Jewish population or not? I'm sorry, but this is straight out of fucking stormfront. Are we Americans or are we not? It's so, I can't believe it. Are we not?

Man, we are Hebrew. Are we human or are we Nazi? Yeah, exactly. Although the sentiment might be somewhat startling the sum. Yeah, pretty startled right now. The message of the Israel test can be summed up as, Don't worry, America, as long as Israel remains behind you. Don't worry about it.

It's okay. As long as we're on your side, hey, you got no worries. Yeah, and then, hey, if, you know, hey, maybe something happening if you don't, you know, support our right to exist. Hey, I'm genocide and over here. but yeah this uh i mean listen this you're saying i got high IQ what are you saying i'm smart to you i'm smart i'm smart i'm smart i'm like a fucking professor i'm like a professor over here you you think

i got like i'm tenured like i'm tenured to you or something is that what are you trying to say this book is for people who relish being faced with the unexpected who like to have their minds stretched stretch me out daddy on the fucking mingola rack their long ideas their long held ideas challenged and who enjoy being presented with novel ways of looking at the world. Now, this is the most AI paragraph of the whole thing. It is also an encomium, a eulogy, and a heartfelt tribute to Israel and the Jewish people. Rebecca, you're smarter than both of us combined.

What's an encomium? I don't know, so. I thought it was that stuff that comes out of a pregnant lady, but let me look at it. When you put two E-words next, I've kind of expecting another alliteration, I thought it was going to be eugenics. Yeah, I know. They've missed a chance. Oh, a speech or piece of writing that praises someone or something highly. Well, it certainly is...

Like a prose ode. Yeah, it certainly is encomium. It is also encopium as fuck. Because this coming out at a time when there is actively a genocide being perpetrated by the Israelis is this is the most I am medically-induced incommium. Okay, now I can do my Morrissey reference. Girlfriend in an incommia minor. I know, I know, it's serious.

Wow, that was, that was actually a really good impression. Do you really think she's a Jew? Oh my God. But yeah, this is like, this is peak and copium. This is for people who are struggling with students, student encampments, and struggling with people who are just out here in the streets saying Israel is bad. And they can't figure out a way to make it anti-Semitic. And they're like, oh, I know how it's anti-Semitic.

It's the hate us because they ain't us. They're jealous. How long is it going to be until like Shabbas Kesterbaum, who we have to do an episode about? And other Jewish students show up at Congress to like flog this article and be like, we demand a different grading curve. Yeah. Yes. I don't know.

I feel like my Jewish IQ went down from reading that article. So this may it actually be the cure as well. I feel like I feel more stupid having read it. And not even just because I read something just so ridiculous, but also because I feel like there's a level of embarrassment that I can take. And then there's a level of embarrassment that makes me want to crawl into a hole and die. And this is like, this is far, far past crawl and hole and die. I want to hit my head with a hammer

until I can't think no more. Yeah, this is an ethno-religious crawl space for sure. But Matt, I think this is part of our, maybe our unspoken or unrealized, maybe unconscious mission with this podcast is to show people how fucking stupid. We're fucking dumb asses.

We're as dumb as you. Yes. And also, isn't the article just proof of how dumb we actually are? Yeah. I thought you won't. Jews, they're just like us. But we're love, but not lovably dumb like us.

No. Not relatably dumb. Not relatably dumb. No, this is, this I think is, I love that it serves as, you know, the opposite of what it's trying to accomplish here. If you read that article and you're like, yeah, I am smart. I'm Israel. You're, you're fucking dumb ass. I'm sorry.

And you're spouting neo-Nazi talking points. But good. So, anyways, that's been, that's been bad as farah. Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the hype. Truly, a magnificent, magnificent article. And also, thanks to our magnificent, magnificent, magnificent guests, Rebecca. We are the creative community for Pierce.

Yes. Oh, I like that. We are the CCP. And thank you for coming on. Where can people find your work? um so i'm a website rebecca piercefilms.com has a lot of my links to my work it needs an update but it'll it'll have one soon um i'm also on interviewing those people in israel and do you speak hebrew um i speak a little hebrew um i what i've done a lot of interviews there yes yeah so on the

videos that's you yeah they're incredible incredible incredible thank you yeah i also work with like incredible like israelian and palisinian producers on my films who helped me with a lot of the a lot of that work by do do a lot of the interviewing um and i'm also on you know social i'm on instagram that's where i'm most active you can just search my name rebecca pierce or aptly i underscore engineered um i'm on twitter sometimes and yeah well check out aptly engineered only a high IQ person would come up with a that's right it's a bus driver lyric oh okay all right well it's what's bus driver like indie rapper i was really into in college when i oh okay Sign up for social media.

Well, maybe one of the 50,000 geniuses currently in the world. He would know what an en-cuminium was. Yeah, he would know what maconium is. One of those like Aesop rock type like backpack wrappers with huge vocabularies. Yeah. Oh, those are the best. But check out Rebecca's work. Follow her on social media.

And can't thank you enough for coming on. Really a joy to have you. thanks for having me it's it's really been a pleasure you guys are a riot oh thank you we do our best patreon dot com slash bad hasbara bad hasbara gmail dot com all right everyone thanks again so much for listening and until next time from the river to the sea to quote homer simpson we are so smart we oh so smart smr t i love it i love it i love it Jumping jacks was us. Push-ups was us.

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