Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 49: Always Sunny In Philadelphi, with Nora Barrows-Friedman

Episode Date: September 5, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by Nora Barrows-Friedman of the Electronic Intifada for a talk on the future viability of Israeli settlements, the zionist podcast-sphere, and whether yinz could get a good wooder ice in the Philadelphi Corridor.Please support the Palestine Children's Relief FundSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White foster us. Zabrahamas. Hasvars us. Hello, how is, and welcome to Bad Hasbara. The podcast Maximo Bueno, moralistico. In Tutlemon.

The world. In the world. To the world. Yes. My name is Matt Lebe. I will be your most moral co-host. And I am other guy, Daniel Matte. Similarly, most moral.

Also moral. Yeah. Maybe second most moral, sometimes first most moral. All depends on how we're feeling that day. And you know what? I'm feeling pretty moral this week. I feel like a moral, moral man. And I am so glad that you are all joining us from all across this great earth to listen to another episode of this dumb podcast.

podcast about stuff and things, please. It is a good week to feel moral because, you know, so many disagreements over the last 11 months, so much, so much tragedy on both sides, trademark. Yeah, yeah, both sides. But this week, you know, some things happened where all of us Jews can get to feel really immoral by like completely focusing on those things yes and agreeing with each other that everyone else is a heartless monster everyone else is immoral for not checking in on us what happened to humanity i am always asking every time something happens to me directly and you know or me indirectly

what happened what happened to our humanity you know like every time something happens that affects me personally i ask how did we get here how do we get here how do we get here and every time something happens that doesn't affect me at all i say um how dare you demand emotional labor from me by trauma dumping all of your dead children on my timeline that's trauma dumping that's too much trouble i just say i'm busy yeah that too yeah i just cry i say it's abuse i just keep telling people you're abusing me right now by making me think about things other than myself kind of fucked up yeah your abuse me and in some ways you're erasing me because me doesn't want to hear from you right and it's like

you're invisibleizing my desire to keep your pain invisible yes stop invisible invisible i stop invisilining me man like what the hell like it's it's just it's just insane the way that people is that one of those thing that goes on the teeth yeah it makes your teeth straight and you know uh but it's insane that people you know who care so much about all of you know these people that they don't even know wouldn't reach out to me when a bad thing happens to a bunch of people that I didn't even know yeah you know what I mean uh give us five stars and review on all the podcast apps uh and shout out to producer Adam Levin the producer who I was trying to think of a rhyme couldn't think of producer who's

but is looser who's better than you sir yeah there we go I'm glad you I'm glad you John then because I said bud is the he's the producer who keeps this podcast leavened yeah that's right he's leavening this producer the podcast also

the loser thing is true though loose buttle um spoodie Also, what Beastie Boys song samples the Sly and the Family Stone song, Loose Booty? Oh, I wouldn't know. I've only listened to one Beastie Boys album,

and it was Intergalactic, because it came out when I was in middle school. So that album is called Hello Nasty, not in... Oh, is it? Yeah. Intergalactic is the lead single off of it. Well, this thing is, back when I was in middle school, you went to Tower Records to buy an album for one song.

So I always was weirded out. Like, why don't they just name the album after the song I like? Right. What is this album thing? Well, so I'll let people in the comments sound off to answer that trivia question. Yeah, let them figure it. What Beastie Boys song samples loose booty. But just to give you a hint, the sample sounds like this.

There you go. Okay. Name that Beastie Boys too. Name that Beastie track. Also, today's episode is brought to you by the Palestinian Children's, Relief Fund. There will be a link in the bio of this episode. P-C-R-F.net. They provide food, medical equipment and treatment in Gaza. So, yeah, every episode we're going to, you know, since no, you know, actual sponsors are brave enough to sponsor the most moral podcast on the planet,

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um hierarchy hierarchy of need that's right each according to his whatever, Marxism. Daniel, what's the spin? What's the spin this week?

Well, I'm glad you asked, Matt. The spin, I am not at home, so I don't have my own records, but I'm staying with a friend somewhere in the American West. Undisclosed location. We don't want any weirdos, any Mossad agents coming after you, any of the shin bet, even though they wouldn't operate outside, I think of Israel? Agreed.

They never would. So I'm somewhere in the mountain time zone And my friend has some records So I just thought I pick a few off off the shelf And so I got Billy Joel piano man Oh the piano man I was listening to Glass Houses his album

On my drive out here as I drove through Maryland or West Virginia or something And I was thinking of what Matt Christman Always used to say about him Which is that every single song Is him either like condescendingly speaking about a woman Who's like a complete pain in the ass

But he loves her anyway Or him telling someone kind of like, fuck you, I'm better than you. Like, you may be right. I may be crazy. Like this is, and all these songs are, he's got a real attitude. He's thought of as like a real softy and a kind of balladier, but there is a real kind of snarky attitude to the guy. I love it.

Love it. So that's piano. Is he Italian? He feels Italian. He's Italian coded. No, he's pretty much Jewish, I think. Oh, okay. There's not a difference.

What's the difference? He's Long Island, which is where those two ethnic, Yeah, they merged into one. They merge and form something else, yeah. Yeah. Then I've got the Cabaret soundtrack for L.Seminelli film. Yeah. I think this includes every Israeli's favorite song these days, which is tomorrow

belongs to me. Yep, they love it. That famous scene from the film where we rediscover, all these nice looking people enjoying a beer and a schnitzel, they're really Nazis. And then Chappell Rhone, who I've never listened to, but I hear she's H-O-T-T-O-G-O. That's right. And so I might give this a listen. Yeah.

That's what's the spin. Just a little zoomer. You're never going to see me spinning this kind of stuff at home, but I'm open-minded. You should spin Chapel Rhone. She's actually pretty great. My wife is currently chapel-pilled right now. She's been listening nonstop And so I'm like

Now I'm just kind of It's just it's in my head now So I just enjoy it by osmosis But also listen to the piano man Because what a man He's always playing that piano And yeah he's talking to Davey Who's still in the Navy

And probably will be for life All these characters And he didn't start the fire Paul is a real estate novelist Who never had time for a wife Yeah Yeah. And my friend's got a girlfriend and he hates that bitch. That's the offspring. I don't know why I consider those the same. And I've seen your mommy and your mommy's dead.

That's suicidal tendencies. That's right. All I wanted was a Pepsi. Daniel, Daniel, Daniel, Daniel. As we were talking about before, you know, all the various shoutouts. We're pretty blithe for some white guys. Thank you, producer Adam. Yeah, this has been, you know, what a week. What a lot of things have gone on. I'm not feeling very funny, you know. I got to say that up front.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not, I don't have, like sometimes I come into these episodes kind of raring to go. Like, yeah, man, let's fucking take. Yeah, you're like, I got puns, baby. I don't do so many puns. I got puns for days. Yeah. Today I'm like.

You need a hug. Yeah. Yeah, I'm feeling more. I'm feeling a little more hug needy. We'll see how we do with the puns. I would love to give you a hug right now. Obviously, you're far away. I cannot hug you, but soon we may be, you know, in the same place together, and we might be hugging. Yeah.

And that'll be nice. Yeah, that's my happy place. That is a nice, happy place. And the arms of someone you pod with. And, yeah, so. fly away so here is a tweet that Alon Levy did

which is just great if you have Jewish friends please give them a hug send them a message to check if they're okay we are all crushed now you know why I didn't see that tweet why didn't you see that tweet

because he blocked me oh no you got blocked by Alon oh yeah after accusing me publicly of threatening his life and sharing a screenshot of a DM I had with some rando where I said I would gladly see him hang in the Hague. That's not threatening his life. That's what I said.

Wanting justice. I said Ailon. Kabibi. Abibi. I said, relax. I'm not a trained hangman. That's not an actionable threat on my part. I'm just saying it's an event to which I would purchase tickets and

sit in the front row and eat some popcorn. To support you. Yes. I would be there and be like, oh, I wish I could give you a hug. um this is something he actually uh tweeted back in january he tweets this uh he like quote tweets this every so often uh whenever an event uh happens in which uh an israeli is hurt um and uh you as we all know whenever an israeli is hurt it is not just um israel's problem it is the world's right that that's a new twist on that you know when you kill a human being you

kill the whole world. Right. Yeah. When you kill a Jewish Israeli, you annoy the whole world. You annoy the whole world. You won't let the whole world stop hearing about it. Yeah. Annoy Allah. Yeah. And yeah, so because we felt the need, obviously, everyone needs hugs this week. We've invited someone to hug on this podcast, someone who we need to check in on. This is the associate editor at the Electronic Intifada, co-host of the weekly electronic intifada live stream, and now three-time returning champion of Bad Has Bara. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, welcome Nora Barrow's freeman.

That's right. That's right. Shadrach, Mishak, and Abandingo. Nora wins. That's exactly it. Wow, you got it. Yeah, I love the Beastie Boys. yeah i you know i i i was just one of those groups i never got into i think i'm just like a slightly too young

but i remember when that song in her galactic came out and i was like okay yeah maybe you're just not quite jewish enough no no i'm just saying well he's half jewish so yeah exactly the fact that you got into hip-hop as a jew without the beastie boys as a gateway is well no no you have to remember m&m came out at the time of of my you know awakening into hip hop. So I was still able. That is such a generational divide. That is such a generation.

A white guy gets into hip hop via Eminem versus you and me, Nora, you know, the Beastie boys, who had this fun, snarky, playful, goofy, very Ashkenazi, super ensconced in hip hop culture, very punk, somewhat ironic, but deeply loved the culture, reconvenant. I was so into the Beastie Boys that I wrote. I had a huge crush on MCA, rest of the case. And I wrote him a fan letter, like, just saying, like, I was just very, like, I don't know, moved. But I can't even remember what it was about. It was when ill communication came out.

Was it when he said, I want to say something that's long overdue, this disrespecting women has got to be through. To all the mothers and the sisters and the wives and friends, I want to send all my love and respect to the end. Yes. Wow. I think it was that. The first song of the album. Yeah, because they had gone from, you know, the, like, Brass Monkey Days and the girls days. Yeah.

To do my laundry. Yeah. To clean a bathroom. Exactly. Right. Yeah. It's a classic. I thought that song made a lot of good points.

It was well argued. I have to say. Yeah. Well, argue. You know, that's all they want. They showed their work. They did. They did.

But I wrote him a letter just saying I was, I was just, I loved him. him so much. And three weeks later, I got a postcard back from him. He was on the Lollapalooza tour. I saw them on that tour. Yeah, 93, 94. And yeah, I still have it. It's framed in my living room. That's so wonderful. He did. Yeah, he was just really sweet. It was like in Vegas and he was writing fan letters back. That's really nice. I wrote to Eminem, but he didn't write me back. So I killed, so I killed my mom. I forget how that song goes. But he wrote a song about you. He wrote a song about me.

Yeah, it was crazy, but, you know. Dear Matt. Yeah. You're a biggest fan. This is Matt. I just drink a fifth of vodka. Dare me to do heroin next. So, Nora, a lot has, speaking of Israel.

Nora, you are a third time. returning champion so glad to have you so glad to have you back this is uh the other two episodes you were on uh was or sans daniel mate yeah and now daniel mate is here so this is like uh this is a full-ass episode we're all here and we're we're ready to rock it's a dream come true yeah isn't it what a dream yeah with our youtube channel of 20 20 000 subscribers is not it's not bad um but i wanted to ask how come uh like i watch your live stream and um it's really good and informative um but you guys don't do that many puns and i want to ask how how come you guys got so many more listeners than we do what the fuck don't yeah don't you find it a little unfair because

we work so hard with puns you do you do yeah we should try to incorporate more puns and into the no that's our thing don't do it yeah i mean we we want to just take all of your no don't take it yeah i would love to hear some puns in ali's voice have you heard him do the israeli soldier voice that he does no i haven't oh it's great it's great oh i would love to hear that it's amazing um but on a serious note we need to talk about um the reason for the season the most important thing that has ever happened in Jewish history. Six Israeli captives have died under mysterious circumstances in Gaza. And that has been something that has now been on the news cycle for at this point four days now.

By the time this episode comes out, I'm assuming it'll be seven days of the same story over and over, in which we are continuing to eulogize these captives. And that's not my way of saying they don't deserve to be eulogizer. They don't deserve to have people be sad about them. It's my way of saying it really seems, and this is just a hot take here, but it really seems like the lives of Israelis matter more than the lives of Palestinians. Well, in fairness, Matt, in fairness, before we get your answer to know, these six Israelis did happen to have actual names. You know, there are people with actual, like these human beings had names and faces and they had families, you know.

And from what I've seen in Western media, that's just not true about the Palestinians who the Hamas run health ministry say have been killed, you know. So it's just much easier for me to feel for them given that they had those. human attributes. And I don't know what it is about Palestinian culture that doesn't give people names and specificities. And they don't die. I mean, the Palestinians, there are no dead Palestinian civilians. No, yeah. It just doesn't, it doesn't happen. Even if there were, it's like, I'm sure it's, it's their fault. I'm sure there's at least one book in their house that would lead me to believe they deserve to die. Yes. But yeah, they don't have names and they don't have pictures of them um you know on like vacation somewhere uh with them like smiling why don't they

go on vacation somewhere i know that's what i say to all palestinians go on the world yes go out see the world uh brought in your mind and your horizons meet someone take a picture of you who isn't a soldier yeah take a picture of you uh smiling at the you know at macho pichu right um or at a sunny beach somewhere and then come back to Gaza and then die. And then maybe the news media and also change your name to like, you know, Craig Johnson or something. And then, you know, maybe people would remember your name and look upon you as a human being. Maybe friends from American parents too. Yeah. Yeah. Aren't they from the Bay Area too? Like those Palestinians? Yeah. No, I was, I was thinking the one of the guys that the, you know, the only people who die.

are the Israelis. That's right. Yes. It's very tragic. Now, there have been... And it is tragic. Like, no jokes aside. Yes, no, people dying is bad and tragic.

And people dying after 11 months of captivity. I told you this, Matt, but I don't think I've ever said it on the podcast. Three years ago, right now, I was in jail. For three and a half weeks in Mexico City. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was incarcerated by the Immigration and Naturalization Services of Mexico for overstaying my tourist visa. And I had COVID in there. I think the day might be the three-year anniversary of me finding out that I was staying an extra 15 days because of COVID.

Yeah. And it was not the worst incarceration experience by any means. It was a wild night at Carlos and Charlie's. But the experience of even for a brief amount of time in 24 days is not the longest. it's not the shortest, to experience having any rights or freedoms taken away. Yeah. And the fear and the uncertainty

and when's this going to end? I have a sense of that in my body. I have a sense a tiny tiny, nothing like what it is to be an Israeli held in a tunnel. And by God, God knows nothing like living in a concentration camp your whole life, like if you're born in Gaza. But we on this podcast are not we're not trying to

we're not trying to dehumanize anyone or laugh at or or or make light of the suffering of those people or their families right and and the fact that you're saying that that um you know like you're expressing care and concern for human beings that's more than the Israeli government has expressed for their own captives correct

the tunnels the last you know 11 months And personally, I don't really care. I don't really, I don't care about the Israeli captives. I don't. They shouldn't have been partying in a, you know, just outside a concentration camp. Sure, sure. They shouldn't have been settling in these, you know, basically like, you know, army barracks masquerading as Kibod-Zim around Gaza.

they shouldn't have been settling in someone else's land and they get 100% of the world's attention they get situation room you know consideration consideration right I mean you saw that like thing with Biden and oh yeah Pamela you know looking very sternly in a situation room

saying that you know they when when Americans are killed that crosses the red line completely forgetting about the American, all the Americans over the last, I don't know, a few decades that, who have been killed by the Israelis. Right. And they, they don't get a fucking situation room consideration. Also, they need to come up with a new color for the lines because the red lines aren't even a red line. Exactly. Exactly. There needs to be a different color.

Exactly. Priority number one, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. We need to rebrand it. Yes, but I completely get where you're coming from, Nora, because I find myself stuck in a thing where I know intellectually that I care about the suffering of people no matter who they are, right? And I understand intellectually what happens when you grow up in a society in which everyone just pretends as if apartheid isn't happening. and they just are like living with the contradiction of being like I but I'm a piece you know I'm someone who supports peace and doing a and doing a a rave next to the wall of a concentration camp you know so it's like I on an intellectual level I feel for people who are stuck in a way in a way of thinking due to their you know where they were born and what exactly their conditions yeah their conditions on the other hand I am not going to sit here and and look at this, you know, tweet from Alon Levy about how all Jews are crushed. And I'm not going to not mock that.

Because I'm sorry, this is once again the conflation of Israel's problem, is world Jewry's problem, is your problem. Right. And, you know, at this point, after 11 months, are we, is there anyone who wasn't already predisposed to believing everything that the Israeli government says? is there anyone who is taking it seriously that israel has been desperately trying to get back these captives no there's just not like no one who's been paying attention to this for the last

11 months truly believes that alon levy is crushed about this this was something uh that at this point i'm like they were hoping for uh you know to add more fuel to the fire to to make sure that there is this constant drumbeat of outrage amongst Jews in the diaspora and amongst, you know, world governments in the West, to be like, just remember the true victims here are us, the Israeli government, and soon you, you, as people in the West, who are fighting against the Muslim hordes of, you know, of savages, right? So it's like to to look at just the amount of like just the amount of saccharine, you know, sadness that like people like Elon Levy are displaying. This is one of my favorite tweets he put out. Melissa Weiss wrote, it's raining in Tel Aviv this morning for the first time in months. And Alon wrote, the sky is crying. Stevie Ray Vaughan over here

Look I actually crying right now It's because the sky is sad Because of the Israelis Because our sky god is running shit The sky was pretty much cool With all the like dead Palestinian babies Happening day after day after day for 11 months

But now sky crying You know what? Look up there what do you see Skyanism Yeah Yeah, yeah. It's a skyness. Look, I actually believe, I actually believe he.

We need to build a sky net. We need to build a sky net that can go in and destroy all the bad guys. I believe he is crushed, but I believe he's crushed in a way that he enjoys. It's a kind of, like, he's a pain biggie. Well, in a sense, yes. Because there's a kind of autoerotic, self-pitying thing that goes on with Zionism. They need these moments because they actually happen so infrequently. If you're a Palestinian, you wake up in the morning and the chances that you're going to go through the day and not find out that innocent people were slaughtered in the most barbaric ways are close to nil.

And the chances that you're going to find out that you're going to know that people are incarcerated in dungeons of being tortured are exactly nil. If you're an Israel apologist, these are your fuel source, these moments, and you get them relatively infrequently. I mean, they sure wanted reports of rape coming out of the Hamas tunnels, and all they would get is hostages being released and being like, you motherfuckers didn't negotiate to get us released sooner. Right. And even the hostages filmed these ones, was it Ed and Avrahami or whatever her name was? released a very, you know, Hamas released a very angry video from her being like, even in her last few days, blaming her own government. They don't get the hit they want.

When they get this kind of real horrific loss, that's a win. Yeah, 100%. And I wanted to ask Nora, like, you know, following this, obviously is, As soon as I heard this happening, all of the reports from the Hezbaris were that Hamas summarily executed them, which may or may not be true. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so it's, we're still in this moment, obviously, where it is early enough that we don't know what happened here.

And you can tell me your thoughts on this, but my thoughts in general are, because there are people who are denying, you know, no, I bet it wasn't Hamas. I bet it was the Israeli government, which is absolutely possible. I mean, you really, at this point, every time... They've killed at least 60 of their own already in airstrikes. Right. Since October. And they've also, you know, shot their own hostages on multiple occasions.

And it's, you know, always there's an excuse there of like, oh, well, we didn't know it was them or whatnot. But it was always under strange circumstances. And so I guess my thoughts are like, rather than denying whether or not Hamas did it, I was thinking about how the one of the stories that I've heard was there was a rescue operation that was planned. And before the rescue operation could actually be put into action as they were maybe closing in on the tunnels where they had them, that they were executed. Which, if true, is how hostages works. Yeah, and anyone remember the Nusserat massacre? Yeah, there's 270 people. For three.

Yes, yes. And, you know, by just math alone, you know, doubling that might be something that that Hamas would want to avoid. But also, is this not how this is the implicit. threat when holding a captive and trying to trade them for other Palestinian captives is like we have them, therefore their lives are in our hands. And you have to listen to us. Right. And so it's not to say that like, you know, the executing of prisoners or something is not a war crime. It's more to say that like this is apparently three of the six hostages were

supposed to be in a deal for an exchange early on that was rejected by Israel and it's 11 months later and this happens and the Israeli government acts like you know how could they do this and it's like isn't this what they were going to do

how is this not more widespread is the real question yeah yeah the amount of restraint and patience that that the Casam Brigades have shown is quite extraordinary. Yeah. When you look at that in that way. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like Israel could have gotten their captives back on October 8th.

They could have. That was the deal on the table. And for the last 11 months, Israel has decided that it would rather sacrifice their captives, however many are left, in order to carry out the long. standing plan of completely genocide in Gaza. Yes. And then what they're doing now in this past week is moving that genocidal plan also to the West Bank, which is their real prize, which is the thing that they've been wanting

all along. Yeah. I mean, so, yeah, and then it's spun. You know, it's spun as, you know, once again, you know, Hamas doesn't take the cease fire deal, right, or like whatever, when 100% of the time it has been Israel's moving of the goalposts saying that, you know, the only ceasefire deal that Israel will accept will be one that is maintaining the genocidal attacks and not ceasing the fire and, you know, maintaining the separation inside Gaza, military presence, again, no end to the siege, which has been going

on for 17 and a half years. So, yeah, but that's spun as Hamas as being unreasonable. Right. And one of... It's extraordinary. One of the sticking points that consistently changes within these negotiations seems to be like what Israel decides is their new red line. And it's always something that is like a non-negotiable thing that is just completely

out of left field. In this, in this case, it was the Philadelphia Corridor, which was also known as the New Jersey Turnpike. Also known as New Jersey Turnpike. Which fucking, I don't give a shit. Take it. Yeah. Who wants? It did one good thing. All this for a turnpike. I mean, fine. Okay, fine. Leave me the Woodrow Wilson service welcome center. Rest up. Take it all, dude. There's only one good thing New Jersey Turnpike ever did. It was provide the intro setting for the soprano that's it um woke up this morning got yourself a two thousand pound bomb that's right but yeah so it's uh you know this uh philadelphia corridor was the what net njahu was blaming he did he gave a speech uh recently uh in which he uh speaking of the west bank uh you know the plan for the west bank

uh he displayed a map in which the west bank was not even in existence on it which i i thought was telling, but he also talked about the Philadelphia corridor as his, you know, one of his excuses as to why they couldn't work with Hamas because they wanted this corridor. Is this when he went on TV and did the weather report? That's right, yes. Basically. Yeah. In the north, it's sunny. In the south, it is...

The sky is crying. Yeah, the sky is crying and cloudy with a chance of acid rain. The chances of humanitarian considerations in the south are next to nothing. But here is a video of that conference. The Axis of Evil needs the Philadelphia Corridor. And for that reason, we must. control the philadelphia corridor i don't know what accident i must insist for that reason we will not be there and for that reason i insist we will be there this is great negotiating

delphy corridor and we will not bother your viewers too much amy because nobody heard about the philadelphia corridor is such a huge fatal subject until one two weeks ago the gang does a genocide yes the gang does a genocide but yeah just like this is you know there's always an arbitrary sticking can you imagine danny devedo as an rd f spokesperson oh my god oh my god that would be so funny danni devito almost sounds like some kind of new flangled of Hebrew name oh dude they would do it too they're cool um yeah it is it just it just always seems there's an arbitrary line that we're all supposed to be like it's it only serves for the his baris especially in the west to go like oh you really expect them to do a ceasefire with people

won't give up the philadelphia corridor um what is the philadelphia corridor nora it's it's in the south right i asked nora math i asked nora This is for the guest to answer. She knows things. So it's a strip of land on the border between Gaza and Egypt, on the very south of Gaza, where they have been trying. I mean, you know, Rachel Corey in 2003 was run over by a bulldozer, an Israeli armored D-9 caterpillar bulldozer,

trying to protect a Palestinian family's home from these. from the Israelis who were bulldozing land to widen the Philadelphia corridor, which they're trying. So there's, you know, along the southern border with Gaza and along the eastern boundary with so-called Israel, it's kind of like these buffer zone. You guys at the electronic divide are so based. We don't use those quote marks. We don't say that curdling scientists. We just go, we just, we just, we're like, okay, fine, you're Israel for now. For now.

For now. I'm trying to. Enjoy it while at last. I'm trying to institute a style guide in which we either call it, uh, Israel or it's not real. It's not real. Or shit real. That's a shit real. That's pretty good.

I mean, no. Does that make us libs? Does that make us liberal Zionists because we don't use the quote marks? No. I don't recognize it's right to exist. I recognize. the fact of its current existence. Right. Existence. Right.

Present day. Present day Israel, right? Yeah, no. I just, uh, I just use less words, you know, so Israel is fine. Sorry, sorry to interrupt, but I just get, I get, I get, no, it's perfect. Yeah, yeah. So, so anyway, so it's like this buffer zone sort of area that, um, is just kind of like squeezing the general landmass of Gaza, um, uh, you know, more narrow and narrow. But they want the Philadelphia corridor, A, to control, you know, the movement of Palestinians across the Egyptian side of the border.

They want to, of course, it's a huge plan to stop the tunnel smuggling routes under there. And, yeah, I mean, it's, they've been, this is not a new thing, but it's also, Like, it hasn't really been a military priority until, yeah, about, you know, two weeks ago. Right. So, I mean, it's just what, it's one more way that they're trying to permanently alter the landscape of Palestine and Gaza in particular. Right. Because it has nothing to do with the October 7th attacks. No, absolutely not.

It is completely irrelevant. The attacks did not come from the, um, the, um, the attacks did not come from the, um, They weren't going into Egypt. No, no. And according to that I showed a little clip of Gideon Levy in that interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, but he, you know, says in there, it's like, no, where the Ghazins escaped on October 7th was from the most heavily fortified area of the wall. That's right. In like 47 different, you know, entry points. Entry points, yeah, exactly.

So, like, 47 different ways that they broke through the fence in really what was a coordinated prison break. But it was all north and east. It wasn't down to the Sinai. So, yeah, I mean, this is just... That's like a really exciting video game mission. Like, if someone just changed the names or whatever, you should. create that setup where your people are immured inside a concentration camp and you have to get out there and do like a targeted operation and maybe you could put the things in that you maybe

you get demerits if there's if there's unnecessary civilian death but hey all in the game you know like that would be i'm telling you right now that would be a very real that would be a very compelling it's it's it was highly coordinated you know event yeah i Daniel i've literally had this exact thought and it's like in the darkest corner of my western you know white boy brain where i'm just like if this were any other situation we would all be like that's a cool thing that happened with the video game to to come with it you know like uh just you'll be movies out about it well come on the the paragliders already i'm sorry the morning the morning of i was like this isn't going to go well and this is going to have terrible consequences.

Yes. Yes. And I'm scared. And I hope I hope there isn't a lot of bloodshed. I hope there isn't a genocide. But also I just like I hope I hope like non-combatant kibbutzniks don't die here today. And fucking hell look at those guys up in the air. And at the very least, you know, good for them. Like I said, the dark part of my brain is just like that's a that's a video game that's a video game level for like you know pieces of shit like me in the west to enjoy you know what i mean like it is it is uh it's it's it's dark obviously uh due to the consequences in the evil uh that has been perpetrated uh on the uh palestinians in gaza since uh but i you know

just like this is yeah in any other it was an extraordinary uh yeah right and it had nothing to do with the philadelphia fucking corridor no It really didn't, except for the fact that the, you know, part of the demands of Palestinians who were, you know, engaging in the prison break were, you know, a prisoner exchange and the end to the siege, which absolutely, you know, is connected to the Philadelphia corridor in that way. Yes, exactly. has controlled the movements of goods in and out of Gaza from various crossing points, including Rafa crossing, which is at the border with Egypt, for 17 years. Right. And it's just, it is so clearly that, you know, the line that Netanyahu is drawing is, you know,

arbitrary in terms of its connection to, you know, stopping another October 7th, but also very calculated to make sure that they continue. you know, to they continue to control Gaza and keep the siege going. I do like this negotiating move invaded by inventions from tears

of the kingdom. I was just going to say it's very Zelda tears of the kingdom, you know? Get your zonites together and fucking assemble some kind of, yeah, for sure. Just murk on those Israeli bocoblins. Kibbutznik But I do like this negotiating move.

Oh, it's so dark. It's so dark, isn't it, ladies and gentlemen. But this negotiating move, I'm saying, that is exactly what Hamas wants. So that is exactly what I do not want. Because you can just take that all the way. It'd be like, Hamas has offered a complete and total cessation of hostilities. Yeah. They have agreed to negotiate along the two-state solution, UN 242.

which Hamas has at various times indicated willingness to talk. And therefore, they want peace between our peoples. And therefore, that is what I do not want. We will not do. Hamas differentiates between Judaism and Zionism. That's what I don't want. Yeah, exactly. Well, and literally.

Yeah. Exactly, right. It's actually, but he leaves himself open to a really sticky, you know, duck season, rabbit season sort of trickery, you know. So, like, you know, he better be careful or, you know, Hamas wants there to be a two-state solution with separate religious and ethno-religious entities. And that is exactly what we do not want. So we will do one-state solution, a secular, pluralist democracy where all people live together. You know. Oh, no.

Right, right, right, right. The reverse psychology thing. Yeah. season dude straight up looney tune style um before we uh continue on uh talking more about uh this you know recent of a turn of events so we do have to take a quick commercial break because people need to um buy products that are digitally inserted into the podcast um so depending on what territory you're in as i've been driving through the various u.s states on my way from new york to Wyoming. Sometimes I'll check out an old about Hasber episode. Maybe one that I wasn't on or one that

I fondly remember being on. Sure. And it's crazy because the targeted, it turns out, targeted advertisements are by location. That's right. That's how it go. Waffle House. Huffle House ads. Exactly. So everyone. Hobby Lobby. Listen to these Hobby Lobby Waffle House ads and stick around because we will be right back. And we're back. Welcome back to the World's Most Moral podcast. We're here with Nora Barrow's Friedman. Nora, the Barrow boy.

I'm sorry. Doesn't Nora in Hebrew mean like horrible? Oh, I thought it meant light. That's what I was always told. Well, I don't know. Horrible light, maybe. But that makes total sense, yes. I think that means it's not so bad.

I'll have to ask my mom, because my mom was like, no, it means, you know, light. It might be, there might be two different spellings. In Arabic, too, Nur is light. So it's like one of those like cousin. Oh, Le Hadlik Nair, right? Like to Shal Shabbat. To kindle the light. So yeah, there is that route.

But I think also in Israeli Hebrew, there's a spelling of it that means like awful, which is well i mean that makes sense right like everything good about judaism zionism is hijacked into something awful i mean it's true and also some jews like you have decided to do awful things like work for a publication that is trying to kill us all yeah yeah yeah i am i am i get told almost every day that i'm a traitor that i'm a coppo yeah i'm just going to call my kid capo that'll Bishby his first name. Oh, I like, you know, I think I saw, there was somebody, you're a coppo, yes, I am. That's right.

That's what my mommy says. There was, there was a, there's a Holocaust survivor who's against, who's like an anti-Zionist. And I think his last name is capo. And I remember, God damn it. Yeah. That's when you should actually. Yeah, no, I was like, you know, don't, don't, don't. Someone needs to make a series of capos, you know, for goes to guitars.

For guitarists. Nora, how did you come to work for the EI? My origin story. I think I told this story to Matt a few episodes ago. Okay, well, then never mind. No, no, no, no, it's fine. The first, I mean, the quick and easy, dirty version is that I have been a journalist working on Palestine issues over 20 years now, which is nuts.

And I was working at KPFA in Berkeley, California. for a long time, Pacifica. And it was the height of the second Intifada, and there was so much going on with the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. And I just kind of took Palestine under my wing and started going there several times a year for about eight years

in reporting. and yeah. And then in 2010, I switched jobs and was hired at the electronic and Tabata. So I've been there for almost 15 years now, which is crazy. You know what's crazy is that it's a, well, it's not, I guess, is it a blog? I never know what to call things anymore because it's like a news site, yeah. It's a new site. Yeah, it's a publication.

It's like the gray zone. It's like drop site. It's like, it's like, it's. It's an online website with words that doesn't seem to have been bought out by private equity and destroyed, which is like something that, you know, you can say, you know, that's a positive consequence of having your subject matter be so not normalized in the West that even private equity doesn't want to like gobble it up and destroy. destroy it. Like, they do that with everything else. You wrote, you know, a music magazine or about movies. My friend's, uh, my friend Vince Mancini, who I do the rewatch podcast with, he, uh, he made a website called film drunk. It first got bought by Uprocks and then Uprocks got like bought by multiple private equity groups and destroyed. They just stripped everything, including

his, uh, his amazing film blog film drunk. And it's like, well, yeah, dude, you should have written more about Israel. Then they wouldn't have. And they wouldn't have touched you. Yeah. Or you could have a site like The Intercept, which has a broader, starts out with a broader mission to combat the deep state and security state and all this kind of stuff. But even that is very easy to water down bit by bit. You know, there's plenty of places where you can poke holes in it.

Right. We don't need to get into that whole story. But if you water something down enough, then eventually that private equity starts coming in going like, oh, it looks like you guys have a product here that I can destroy. Especially if it starts out with billionaire funding to begin with. Yes. But with you guys, you have this one airtight topic that unless, you know, unless, you know, Alie was about to do the world's biggest heel turn and come around.

That would be a funny sketch to see Ali out when he would come out with like a conciliatory, like, to my dear Israeli brothers and sisters. He starts hanging out with the son of Hamas. Next April. Can I suggest next April first? Can I write you a script? Well, you know, I do hope. As the great David Broza sang.

Oh, my God. Incredible. I would say. That would be extraordinary. It would be very funny. Yeah, that would be. I think a mark of progress on this topic being normalized would be that someday private equity would want to buy out the electronic intifada. And still, because we have principles and more.

we wouldn't allow that to happen. Yeah, yeah. But it would be nice to be asked because then you would at least know that like, oh, the subject is. The tide has turned. You know, it's like we're all hoping for the, that's the best we can hope for, Nora. Exactly. What's what we're going to hope for is that crooked media hits us up and says, hey, guys, we love your takes of when you call Israel Israel.

Right. Can you guys, please join the Obama administration's favorite. podcast network. Can you imagine? That would be so funny. No, no, no. Pod save Israel. But yeah,

I'd save Israel. So to continue talking about what was happening with all this, Bibi, you know, in his speech to everyone about like, you know, because protests have broken out in Israel, in which people, more people take into the streets, it's like the most since post October 7th. Which was the most since Lebanon. Right.

I have questions for Nora about these protests. Yes, please. Would that be a good moment? Yeah, now's a good moment. I'm not sure where you were going with that. Well, no, all I was going with it is like I have video, I download from internet of protests. Oh, great. Perfect. Let's look at them.

And here's protests. And they're sitting in the street. They're doing a sit-in and they're being sprayed by skunk water or something i thought that was i thought that was shampoo i thought it was calm at first but i was like no there was no way that they would waste could israeli jewish come they like to preserve it um so big big protests going on uh and obviously there's a lot of thoughts on um the demands of the israeli people on that and how uh they seem to be very focused on like Netanyahu bad and not so much on

Are We Bad? Which is an interesting question. Yeah, so this is what I want to ask about. So just a mini, mini little monologue here to get to a question. Hell yeah. Nora. So I've seen all kinds of responses to this.

But I have to start with my own first just gut reaction, which is good for them for being out there. There's no political analysis to this whatsoever. Okay, this is just sort of on a human...

Straight gut. Straight gut. Straight gut and straight, like whatever my actual psychology. Like, I talk a good game on this podcast, right? Good anti-Zionist, all this shit. But I was still born and bred

in a, you know, Kippoz oriented Zionist summer camp. I still was raised to like Israelis, basically, to hope the best for that society. So I want to believe that there's an emergent, somewhere in there,

a seed of possibility for whatever. Right. So that's in there. There's a lot. It's a complicated space in me around all this, right? I'm not saying it's right. So when I see all that, and I'm like, a, good for them. And then I see people posting, don't believe it for a second.

They're not protesting genocide. And then I think, okay, they're not protesting genocide. But it's one step closer to that country crumbling in on itself. Yeah, they're one step closer to the edge. And they're about to break. And to be truthful, we may not like it. It's not the moral ideal. But most domestic populations don't protest out of much more than the self-interest side of things. There were people in the Vietnam movement who were protesting, like we're massacring Vietnamese villagers. But a lot more was our boys are coming home in body bags and we're spending all this money on it. And it's rotting away. at our society.

So the fact that they're not using, and some Israelis are using the term genocide. I saw some street graffiti at those protests that said, stop the genocide, free Gaza, like that was on a Tel Aviv street. So it's there. I think there's a part of me that wants to exaggerate how much of that is there.

And the more I hear from actual Israelis, they're like, don't overestimate it. It's not that much. It's mostly people being like, but at the same time, I'm just like, okay, good, dissension in the ranks, crumbling of the conformity, fury at that government,

and reacting to the death of six hostages by lashing out of their own government rather than bloodthirsty pitchfork let's go into Gaza and do more shit well that's a sign that in some ways Hamas's indirect aims in a roundabout way might be being achieved because they're losing the con that Israel's losing the confidence of its own people

and I'm looking for signs of that the facade the edifice is crambling so yeah there's a lot of different strategic moral personal, emotional, human, whatever, and some of them are just completely subjective and are going to depend on the standpoint of the person reacting. But what's your response to all of this? What do you think is a sober-minded and morally consistent response to seeing this kind of outburst on the streets of television? Yeah, I think that was so thoughtful the way that you that you laid that out because I think that's, yeah, I mean, I kind of, I have so much.

seething rage in my heart these days. Sure. That it's, you know, my first reaction to those protests, you know, and they've been happening sporadically over the last 11 months is like kind of what you said. Like, you know, they don't, they're not, they're not saying stop the genocide. They're saying, you know, this is making us look bad and we don't like how our government is responding to certain. events, you know.

Well, and it's causing our soldiers. Exactly. Suffering, it's traumatizing us. It's not bringing our soldiers home. And at the outer, at the outer limits of the mainstream, it would be like, it's causing a lot of death and suffering over there too. Yeah, right. Which is unnecessary.

Exactly. And it's, so there is, there is that for sure. And, but there's also, I think it also kind of points to this wider, uh, war. of attrition that Hamas is waging and winning and, you know, along with other elements of the axis of resistance, Hasbullah, Iran, Yemen, which is doing incredible things for Israel's economy, where they are seeing their economy, their society completely collapsing. I mean, And when you, you know, I don't understand economic data, but from what I hear from people who do and who study this stuff closely, Israel's economy is never, ever, even if the war

stops today, they will never, it will never recover. It is so far in the red. I mean, talk about a red line, right? That they can't, like their credit ratings for all the global, you know, Fitch and the other ones have all they keep like demoting Israel's standings really oh yeah those fucking Jews that control the world economy

keep pissing on Israel that's right so anti-Semitic but also the Jews who control the world banks we must stop them I would like to recommend a book to every citizen of this country

The boat are called. Oh, my God. Yeah, no, it's like, it's kind of incredible. They, you know, not just like their credit ratings are in the toilet, but also, you know, this whole like the Hasbara thing of the startup nation over the last, you know, 15, 20 years. That is gone. That is done. Yeah, that ended during the, yeah, every single one.

The we work, the we work documentary that came out. Everyone's just like, oh, wait, I don't trust his Israelis to be. It's a bad business investment. Like, the risks associated with being invested in anything, Israeli, are too high for capitalism to, you know, to kind of contend with. Crazy. So all of these, like, tech companies are bailing. They're moving to the U.S. or Europe. Or they're disbanding altogether.

There's something like, at last count, 46,000 businesses had folded. Wow. Just in the first, like, three months, I believe, three to five months of the genocide. I mean, a lot of this is also due to reservists being, like, thinking they were going to do two weeks in Gaza, you know, doing some mass shootings and then come back home. Right, and come back. And they're on their, like, sixth or seventh or tenth tour. Yeah. And the way that the reservists are paid.

So, like, if a reservist guy is like some, you know, project manager or some startup in Tel Aviv and he gets, like, sent to the front lines in Gaza, the army pays his full salary for the entire time that he's in that tank. Wow. And so. Bubble upon bubble. Exactly. So it's kind of, you know, so then the army is bleeding money along with soldiers. Yeah, yeah. And then the companies are also bleeding money because they don't have employees

and nobody's investing in them anymore. And so they're going bankrupt. And when their employees come back, they're going to be, they're going to be looney tunes. Right. If they come back. If they come back. So it's like, so is, I think is, and then, of course, like construction, you know, which has been like also one of Israel's like main things.

They're always building, you know, settlements and high. rise towers in Tel Aviv and like all these things. Construction has basically stopped since October because the majority of the workers, the construction workers are now destruction workers. The Palestinians from the West Bank, exactly. And they haven't, their work permits were stopped on October 9th or whatever. Oh, interesting. So they're actually Palestinians construction workers.

Yes, mostly Palestinian laborers. With work permits. Right. Right. So that's done. So their construction industry is, is, also lagging. And then their infrastructure itself is, is completely crumbly.

So, like, there, you know, and, like, all the settlements in the north that Hasbullah has been pounding, nobody's going to go back there. No. So, you know, so like. And the, and the Gaza envelope or whatever. Right. Those keep would seem in the south. No, no one's going to go back there.

Which probably include the one that I lived on for 10 months in 93, 94. Yeah. So, see, everything you're saying. saying actually feels good to me. And here's why. Yeah. It's what keeps me going. Yeah. It's what keeps me from sticking a gun in my mouth. And this is, this is, this is just my standpoint. And like, I get why someone like Ali or my Palestinian friends or people who are unaffiliated, but in solidarity with Palestine, we'd be looking to the day when this entity will be thoroughly and soundly crushed and defeated and humiliated.

Yes. And there will be consequences to pay, including for the so-called innocent citizens of that nation because it's a conscript army and no one is fully headed. I get that completely. I can't get there. I just can't get there yet, if ever. I'm not against, just like I'm not going to condemn Hamas for October 7th. I'm not going to condemn anyone for wishing very ill things upon that country, which

is in ideology and in effect and in function and in. and fucking affect, a very evil place, despite the fact that I know lots of nice people who live there in good people. Right. Same. But what warms my heart is the notion of it crumbling from the inside. Yeah. It no longer being able to sustain itself.

And this is, and it's not just for the sake of saving the lives of some Israel. Because for all I know, that could result in a bigger bloodbath, the Civil War. I mean, what they'd be capable of doing to each other, it could be horrible. But any attack from the outside, any time it's, you know, pain inflicted by Palestinians or Arabs or whatever, or the outside world, it reinforces the Israeli narrative. It gives it another infusion of adrenaline. It's like an epipin to the chest of a comatose patient. Like, oh, okay, back, fight or flight, whatever. As it crumbles from the inside, who are you going to blame?

Right. And there's a kind of, for me, somewhere in there, there's a tiny little vein that might lead to some kind of awakening that says we can't do this anymore. And in my heart of hearts, that's what I want for these cousins of mine, these distant cousins of mine who have gone so far astray. I want them to wake up and people will call me a normalizer and say, I'm trying to save the souls of Israelis and you can't do that. And it sounds to them like something liberal. no, I'm actually hoping for a kind of cleansing catastrophe. But I think that the most cleansing one will be very much coming from the inside. Yeah, you're hoping for an emotional genocide.

An emotional pesticide at least. Yeah, yeah. You know, like wipe out this fucking virus. Right, 100%. I completely understand where you're coming from, Daniel, because it is, for me, I don't like to engage in the conversations with people online who are just constantly looking for a reason to, you know, if you show any empathy at all towards like, the Israelis as human beings are just like, you're a piece of shit.

And it's just like, I just don't engage because I'm like, I don't know you. You have a thousand reasons why you think the way you think if you are even a person. Like it could be a bot or whatever. But it's like, I, I definitely feel you wanting to watch Israel eat itself and not. But I do think it works in tandem with these. I mean, you don't have October 7th and, you know, then you don't have what's happening now. That's 100% correct, which is why I'm not going to condemn the other thing. Yeah.

Right. No, 100%. Yeah. But it is interesting watching. I think you're you're on to something here because you see the Benjamin Netanyahu speech that he's given and kind of the Hasbarra line that's come out in the last few days with regard to the six captives who were killed which has been to hey everyone stop stop yelling at me you know stop yelling at the Israeli government stop yelling at me And rich families, stop calling me out in your eulogies. Yes, please stop calling me out. And remember...

Have some decor. For the West, remember who the real enemy is. And it's the axis of evil. And so there's been this... Yeah, it's not a lot of comfort for those families. Yeah, right. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are you getting mad at me when you should be mad at this guy?

Yeah. That is... God. That is an AI image created by Israel Cats, who is the deputy forward minister of Israel, I believe. I'm sorry, isn't the octopus, isn't the octopus an anti-Semitic? Yes. The literal Nazis came up with that in the 1930s to stoke hatred and fear of Jewish people.

I can't find another unconsher sea creature. They're just like, they're so, I don't, I mean, like, Daniel, you and your dad wrote that whole book about trauma response and like, you know, like how. How textbook is this, right? Yes, 100%. Just so unoriginal. Yes. And it is funny because you just see what the limits of Zionist's sinking there. You see, like, plainly that they're thinking is never again only applies to us.

Racism's only bad if it's anti-Semitism. And so we're allowed to do literally everything that the Nazis did because they're The target is not us. It is them. And it's like, oh, so you've learned nothing. You've learned nothing. And so here's another one he made. The octopus of terror.

He cannot stop asking AI to make octopuses of his Arab enemies. Octopuses are highly intelligent, clever. Yes. Like, can we stop? Just stop. What the hell? anti-optopus has barra here like the nazis were wrong for making it anti-semitic but they were also wrong for making it a negative to be an octopus yeah they got lots of arms yeah they can do all sorts

of things they can change colors that's right have you seen my octopus teacher hitler clearly not um but come on matt i mean pigs are sweet and intelligent but are we going to stop calling cops that yeah well i mean that's true but then again we also call our listening that so you know we contain multitudes but so there's been a few of these videos that have swine off in the comments yeah swine off in the comments uh a few of these videos that i've seen with kind of the same talking points i'm going to play one from first alon levy which uh this is a a speech that he gave um in australia um i think a couple days ago uh and here's this is a made for each other, him in that country.

The mix on this is so bad. I'm so surprised he put it out because the music is just overpowering his speaking, but let's play a little bit of it. How much pain of all the savage execution of six hostages? We have to take that grief and move from grief to rage and from rage

to determination. You need to trust your brothers and sisters in Israel that they will put all pressure on their government. Hold on. Hold on. We need to move from grief to rage. Worst therapists in the world. You're feeling a lot of vulnerability right now. You're really feeling your feelings. You're getting really to the core, actually, of your drama.

You're feeling your fragility as a human. That's good. Now, what I want you to do is to move from that to a kind of blind, insensate, inchoate, rage at the first thing you can find. Right. And then I want you to lash out and hit it and hurt it under the premise that if you can do that enough, you won't have to feel your feelings anymore. I really think we're making great progress.

I'll see you next week. it's a great i first of all like this is the exact advice i got from my therapist on betterhelp com who uh told me uh oh you're feeling sad have you thought about changing uh to an m and be mad and then i was mad and then i started uh hitting anything well to be clear anger is actually can be healing so in the book you mentioned nora the the book i wrote with my dad there's a chapter on the, I don't know, seven A's of healing or some shit. I forget exactly how many A's. Anger is one of them.

But that's for people who have been numb their whole life or have been nice their whole life or who haven't allowed themselves to have that healthy nervous system response that says, no, no, get away from me. But anger is supposed to resolve itself and then resolve itself into the capacity to feel the other feelings, the softer ones, like grief, like sadness, which allows your heart to heal, which allows you to have some other emotions. but what he wants, he's talking about getting stuck. And we actually mention that rage, as normally understood, is a vortex that never releases you. And it causes all kinds of, I mean, that's where you get abusive cycles and all that, which is exactly what he's advocating.

He doesn't want people to stay in their tender feelings. I mean, the world after October 7th for a couple of days, felt very tenderly towards Israel, just like the world felt kind of tenderly towards America after 9-11. Yes. The governments of those countries did not want that tenderness. They didn't want that nurturance. They didn't want that compassion or empathy.

They wanted people to get on board the... Wind rage. And that's the funny thing about this. It's the way in which this video is shot with the music and the, you know, just Alon's whole, like, liberal Zionist affectation that he puts on. Gerbils in a suit and an Oxbridge accent. Yes. Where he is telling people, like, you're supposed to not think about what he just said,

in which he said, like, I understand that we're all feeling grief. But now we need to turn that grief into rage, which is literally the game plan of Hasbara for the last 11 months. Just remember, you need to feel rage and then a determination to execute that rage via violence. Like, it is, he's just saying what the point of all of this, Hasbara is. We need to be less like Jews who know how to grieve. Yes. And like, don't sit shiva.

Don't wait seven days. Be more like Nazis who never felt the grief to begin with and went straight to the rage. Right, you know. She's just like out here trying to arm a minion. And never and never, never look at the root causes. No, yeah. Never look at what brought them there.

Yeah, never go from grief to reflection, to rage to reflection. No introspection. None. Like Elon's watching like the Star Wars prequel. prequels or Yoda's like or maybe it was in one of the Star Wars. It was in Empire Strikes Back. Yeah, fear leads to anger. Anger leads

to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And he's like, good. Oh yeah. That sounds like a good plan. Where can I learn more about this? Are there any any Jedi masters who teach this? And if not, is there a variant of the Jedi? Yeah. Someone maybe cool red sword, I don't know. Yeah. Someone got electricity fire out of their fingers

but I don't like how grief feels yeah whatever they can bring them home but from you here 14,000 kilometers away we need to hear

a different message to the Hamas terror regime let them go now new hashtag alert yeah international pressure on the Hamas

terror regime and its backers Jesus Christ this this there's a new axis of evil coming out here that includes It's Qatar, Turkey, and Iran.

So we're not just Iran anymore. Now we're also Qatar and Turkey. And this seems to be kind of the thing, at the very least, Elon Levy is pushing. This is from... I mean, it's full, all they want, and this is Netanyahu's whole shtick is full surrender. That's their ceasefire deal, is that, no, you just have to surrender.

Yeah, surrender. and then we can do what we will with you. Yeah, and then we'll skill you faster. Right, right, exactly, which is not an actual, like, that's, that's not an option. Yeah, say uncle, say uncle is not a negotiating strategy. Right, exactly. It's, you know, they are saying loudly and clearly back to them. For that, if you want that, you're going to have to kill us all.

And, and, you know, you can look at that and be like, wow, what a, what a, what a, monstrous thing but it's the position that they put them in and we're supposed to as like you know the the enlightened you know western world we're supposed to just be like oh well what else can they do but genocide we're supposed to be okay with that like that's a completely insane thing as if the Palestinians haven't tried literally everything exactly and have been denigrated and demonized and ignored and ignored I mean the great march of return was just summarily ignored by the world, which is the thing that they'd been harangued and browbeaten that they need to do for years. Just practice peacefully.

Okay. Right. Or, you know, BDS is a tactic, which is a nonviolent tactic being attacked, you know, in ways that people, you know, lose their livelihood over. People lose jobs over there. In Texas. Yeah. No. Yeah, Arkansas.

Yes, like attacking civil liberties of Americans and of, you know, people in other countries, I'm sure, where they're just like, no, it is illegal to do this boycott. I mean, you know, you can't, you can't like look at all this and not eventually come to the conclusion that, like, Israel is not an ally of not just the American people, but like Jewish Americans or, you know, Jewish English people or it reminds me of Star Trek connection you know the Borg when when they first encountered the Borg whose motto is you know you will be assimilated resistance is futile it takes quite a while for Picard and the crew to realize that this entity is is not trying to negotiate with you right they just want your unconditional surrender and that's it no matter what you have to offer them yeah and it's and then they went, well, why does the world hate us?

Because you're acting like a giant space cube of robots. That's actually medieval anti-Semitism to compare Jews to the Borg. Yes, during the Spanish Inquisition, the Spaniards often asked if Jews were Borgs. They would break into a Jewish person's home. go, have you seen next generation? So anyways. But yeah, to continue, this is from Alon's very own, like citizen spokesperson network or whatever. This is one of his guys, he's one of his guys given similar Hasbara talking points.

I want to tell you something that frustrates me. World leaders are saying, same blue suit, must release the hostages. But none are saying what the consequences will be if Hamas does not release the hostages. Must needs to be followed by an or else. Or else what? Or else what? Genocide?

Why does this guy, he dresses exactly like Elon, like exactly the same suit. But his cadences and body languages and the edits make him look like a YouTube music theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to break down radio heads in rainbow. Exactly. Can you believe they used four chords that changed the history of music? Yeah. Yeah. Check this out. The four chords are Iran, Qatar, Turkey, and Hamas. Or else it is meaningless. What might or else mean? Here's an idea. Hamas is welcome in Qatar, a non-NATO ally, and the host of the last World Cup. Hamas is welcome in Turkey, a member of NATO. It was in Turkey where Hamas leader Khaled Mashir,

issued his call for more suicide bombings. Hamas has an interesting relationship with Egypt, a major recipient of U.S. military aid. It was through Egypt. Oh, they're going after U.S. military aid recipients? Yeah, dude. You know, thank you for that. We really appreciate.

Speaking of or else's. Or else. My God. I'm closing by my bitcoin. Exactly. Adam. Weapons into Gaza. And then there's Iran.

A huge supporter of Hamas and the entire. higher ring of fire surrounding Israel. Iran has enjoyed massive U.S. sanctions. Hamas's enablers have points that expose them to pressure from the whole world. Tell your leaders. Pressure Hamas's partners to pressure

Hamas. It should not be possible for a country to be a NATO ally and also support Hamas. Do you agree? Do you agree or else? Yeah. Agree or else. But yeah, we're now

We're now getting a new axis of people out there. You know, it's nice to see that. Just throwing everything at the wall to see what's there. Honestly, it is the most like, let's just throw shit at the wall. It's, we're throwing the kitchen sink at the world just to see, like, who is someone who we can all get behind invading here, guys? Please, let's stop focusing on what we're doing wrong. Start focusing on, you know, what Turkey's doing. I bet they're doing some shit in Turkey.

Oh, my God heard one. And coming back to something I was saying before, like, again, if you don't want to have sympathy for the family of an Israeli-American hostage who served in the I-O-F, IDF, whatever you want to call it, I get it. But I'm telling you, when I see the eulogy of, say, Hershey's mom or whatever, and just her animal pain, like her human, her just organic, genuine human emotion and that she directs that anger appropriately at her own government and speaks about how his death is being used. I want to see more of that coming out of that country because

that is the antidote to robots, monsters like this blue-suited freak. You know what I'm saying? And maybe it won't be enough to redeem that country or salvage it and may the Jewish stateness of it crumble yesterday. But at the same time, signs of life, signs of humanity. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to overlook them and and and completely turn Israelis into even more of a cartoon than they're already making themselves right right right yeah they really are i mean they really are it and there's this thing um you know where where they i've heard your dad again bringing up your dad i love your dad but i've heard him talk about this too like the the the more that that zionism has like um it is like an ideology of isolation already yes right and then like the more that that that uh

that Jewish Zionists feel like they're being attacked like the the closer you know their little sphere becomes and they kind of like close ranks and they get even more um like a you know wounded animal sort of behavior i think we're going to see some examples of that yeah so i could i could see You know, like as the society crumbles, as their economy completely collapses, as they turn against each other internally, I mean, they might do a civil war. They might give up and go back to New Jersey or, you know, Berlin or wherever they were from originally. Bring them home. Exactly. Exactly. But we're also going to see, like, the fanaticism as it crumbles, they're going to be turning on themselves even more. oh yeah um like god help us all yeah god help us all because it's uh you don't see it the issue i have

with it um is that i do not see it as like uh if they're making these you know six israeli soldiers the world's problem yeah you know what are they going to do when civil war breaks out. You know, like, this is, this is not a, uh, this is not a country that's where you go like, oh, you know, we'll just isolate them and let them, you know, do their thing. They can have their, they can have their civil war in peace. Like this is, this is going to be, uh, you know, a, uh, it's going to be bad. It's just going to be bad. And, you know, it's, uh, uh, uh, yeah, it's being a Jewish person, I can't help, but like, uh, uh, look at that and go like, I do not want to see a bunch of Jewish people tearing each other's

throats out. And then as just a, you know, human being, I think anyone is like, oh, I don't want to see people tearing each other's throats out in general. But I don't really see a diplomatic solution here that doesn't include some insane people in Israel being kicked to the curb in one way or another, you know, like. Yeah, I mean, it's like the logical conclusion of Zionism. Yes. You know, predicated on an ideology, political ideology predicated on ethnic cleansing, genocide, supremacy, and self-hatred, and self-hatred, absolutely.

Yes. Like, that's only, that's the logical conclusion. that as it ends, as it is, as it eats itself, it's going to take, you know, the, the, it's believers with it. And, you know, and the people who have suffered the most, you know, suffered the effects of Zionism the most, the Palestinians, they're the ones paying, paying the price for this. And they will continue to until, you know,

Zionism is dealt with and their rights are restored. And to be 100% clear, no matter how I feel about it inside and my little feelings. Palestinians have absolutely no compunction to give any shit whatsoever

about it. Nor wait another second for them as human beings. Nor are they... There are strategic questions as to what's the best route, whatever. That's for them to decide. Or are they in any way at fault if they're just like, Like, oh, I would really like them to tear each other's fucking throat down.

If only to give us a brief respite from it. Yes, completely. And I've been, they've been bearing the brunt of Zionism for 76 years for 150, almost 50 years now. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. And I can't help it that when I see, once you see enough of the way Israeli society operates. and their, you know, quote, sense of humor about things

and the things that they are now more and more willing to say in public. And in English. And in English, too. I cannot help but be like, all right, you know what? You guys fucking. You're done. Yeah, you're civil war it out. This is, I can't, I cannot stand you.

In fact, at this point, my anger towards them, beyond them being, you know, genocidal maniacs is just like, can you just leave the rest of world Jewry out of this? Like, fuck up already. Exactly. Exactly. Like, like, just the more you claim to represent us and the more insanity that you display to the public, like I'm now finally starting to get that whole feeling of, you know, back

in the day, it was just like, you know, hey, you know, don't criticize Israel in front of other people because, you know, we, we don't, you don't want to make us look bad, you know, for the rest of the world, you know, it's like, don't tell people, yes, we have our faults and whatnot, but it's like, don't, you don't want the rest of the world to know because it will make us look bad. Now I'm like, you're, you're making us look bad just by existing guys. At this point, you are bad. It's not about, it's not about airing out dirty laundry. I'm like, those are not my clothes. Oh, yeah, exactly. Exactly. I'm not wearing that shit. But speaking of making us look bad, this is, there's another podcast apparently out here.

Did you know that there's a bizarro world? Good Hasbara? Yeah, Good Hasbara, where they open up with like all the, an ironic list of Hamas achievements. I guess it's, yeah, they open with your theme song, Daniel. I wrote it for them. I should send it to them. Good bad Hasbara. Yeah.

give them a new intro but yeah this has been sent to me over and over uh i only learned about them today yeah yeah just literally people tagging and i'm like well what is this so people want to send me a podcast clip um and this is just like well i just have to play it you know uh it is uh you know trigger warning to those out here who uh are desperately not trying to feel rage uh i think you're going to feel a little bit of that. What we're doing is. So this is, we should set it on, right? This is, this is the, the, the, the biggest English language podcast in Israel, yes?

Two nice Jewish boys or something like that? The nice Jewish boys podcast. Two nice Jewish boys. You know these guys, Nora? I mean, I just heard of this, yeah, today, this morning. And it is, yeah. So here are the nice Jewish boys. Mass destruction, but there's not massive death.

Or deportation. Or deportation. Anyway, so, you know, when you sit on your high horse and, you know, I'm sure I don't mean to belittle our listeners, we love you guys. That's our line. Listening to our words and saying, how could they? Yeah, well, no, I think we tell our listeners, we do mean to belittle you because we love to eat the slop. If you don't have, if you don't, see, this is why you know that these guys are bad. is because if you don't have a little bit of contempt for the audience,

then, you know, this is the problem with Zionism, right? Well, no, they have utter contempt for their audience. We have a kind of contempt. We have it for fun. Exactly. It's an act of love. We do it out of love. Their love is an act of contempt.

Exactly. Our contempt is an act of love. You have to understand, listeners, we are irony-pilled to the point of being incoherent. So occasionally we will be serious and say, we love you. Now, these guys are a really good example of why Israelis are incapable of irony. Yes.

Because they want to be irony-filled. But they are anemic. They're irony-deficient. They are irony-deficient, yes. They be advocating to, you know, do massive bombing, indiscriminate bombing, you know. How could they talk about killing children? We're not advocating to target children,

but forgive us if we don't give a shit, if, you know, everybody there dies. it's just the way we feel it's just the way Israelis feel yeah because and this is this is what i you know that's the this guy a blue suit that's what the hood on attack did i wrote to shah all and my wife i was like it'll be you or me tomorrow or denial or it i god forbid yeah and so i would if you gave me a button to just erase gaza every single living being in gaza would no longer be living tomorrow i would press it in a second including the hostages.

That's just, I think, I mean, I think starting with them. If that's the choice. Yeah. If that's the choice. No, even if it's not like. You know, you immediately know who the good cop and back up are. And the good cop is very, very, very bad.

He's like, well, look, if we were forced to it, if that was the choice. And the guy's like, yeah. Well, actually, no. No, even if it wasn't a choice, I want to do it. No, can we do that? Can we take the initiative and just do it? right now yeah and I would press it right now mm-hmm yeah same with the territories I would press it right now mm-hmm no choice no you know

Sean is safe at home God willing I don't know I haven't spoken to her like an hour I'm saying for the chance yeah yeah I would press it right now give me that button and press it right now there you go and I think most Israelis would yeah most Jewish they would they wouldn't post they wouldn't talk about about it like i am they wouldn't post they wouldn't say i pressed it yeah but they don't have balls of steel like you they would but they would press it you right like if they were in a closet alone they would they wouldn't even hesitate someone came to them and had said no one will know you press this all the

palestinians are gone you'd be like is there another one so sick i hate you know this is why podcasts are bad but like they'll give anyone a podcast these days they'll just give anyone a podcast it doesn't matter but you you like you look at this and he goes on in the same you know podcast

episode to talk about like just how in general nobody gives a shit in Israel you know about dead babies and whatnot and the destruction and how it's actually especially and polio too it's like and we would we would enjoy our outdoor raves more

if we could project in the sky images of people in their quote unquote knock but tense and all that you know this is the logical endpoint of Zionism as a complete hollowing out of human empathy and you know I get it I get it I've said this a million times in the podcast Nora when I lived on kibbutz but I would hear Israelis pining for wishing for praying for more than anything was not shalom it was check it quiet just make it go away please and of course they want it to go away. It's an irritant. And that's how you get a genocidal people. Now, of course, at this point, there's a lot of people all over the world who, if there was a button that did

something else, made these two guys. Oh, 100%. Spontaneously combust, would as well. Um, you know, what's funny about the way he's like framing it here too is it's uh it's still coming from a place of believing that the vast uh majority of Israelis are still um cowards like that's the way it's framed is they're cowardly is that they would have to press that button in secret unlike me who would openly uh and on camera press the button that genocided all of the the Palestinians immediately like it just there's there's that there's that like aspect of of Israeli culture this like kind of like uber masculine sure yes you know very like yeah the way that they you know the overlap with this sexualization fetishization of Palestinian women

like we see all these you know TikTok videos and Instagram photos of Israeli soldiers just obsessed with dressing up in Palestinian women's underwear. Yeah. This like very, you know, like the epitome of masculinity is genocidal intent. You know, like this is how you prove yourself a man

is by belittling not just the people you're genociting and stripping them of their humanity, but you're also belittling your neighbor next door who's not as willing to genocide as you are. Right. It's fascinating to me.

The fundamental sin is to care. Yeah, exactly. Right. Zelo'epatli. I don't care. It doesn't concern me. That's the ultimate realization of Israelisness, and people should be embracing that more.

Why are you still holding on to these outdated, internationalist, cowardly, sissy considerations for something outside the, short-term survival of your own wife and kids, you pussy. And it's just so clear. So deep. Yeah, yeah. It's so clear, too, that, like, we're getting to the point in which

I almost feel like the foundation upon which all this, like, genocidal intent is based on is a foundation of, like, victimization, right? Just like, we are victims we are the eternal victim uh anything we do any act of violence is self-defense we're getting to the point now where the idea of the offense you know the thing that they're being defensive against is so abstract that they're kind of like not even pretending this is from a victim victimhood narrative

it's almost just from an annoyance narrative where they're going like well isn't being annoyed is make you a victim of some sort. You know, you're being annoyed by the existing prodding of an annoying person. And at some point, you just realize that going, like, there's not, because this is for an Israeli audience, you know, this is the biggest English language podcast in Israel, I guess. They are speaking to them directly

without any pretense of, like, you know, as victims, here's how we defend ourselves from genocide is by doing a genocide. It's like in this clip, it's, you know, very clear. And the other clips of this in which they just talk about, you know, the Nova Festival, you know, what if they should have been live streaming, you know, all the deaths of the Palestinians in their Nakhba tents or whatever. Because we get high, we get high on that. Well, it's just very clear that it's just like, you know, between us Israelis,

like it makes us feel good when they are suffering. And you look at that and you go like, oh, no pretense. We're not even going to. Well, what they're confessing to, actually, if you think about it, is the intolerable existential condition of just being an Israeli. Yes, yes. Just that is a miserable, miserable, miserable place. And it was always going to be a miserable place as long as you're haunted by,

the half extermination of a people. Yeah. He didn't complete the job. Now, the misery of American settler colonialism and the sins and the wages of slavery and the extermination of the, you know, those have sunk deep into the culture. Oh, yeah. But somehow they've also sprouted a lot of because, you know, because actually black people have been integrated into the culture and they haven't, they didn't succeed in wiping out,

well, they, no, so I'm sorry, they did succeed. To a large extent, in erasing it. So that the poison of that goes deeper, deeper into the soil, but with, with, and some, in some ways, gets subsumed and gets absorbed into the culture. Sure, sure. There's no absorption in, in Zionism. There's no absorption in being in Israeli because the problem never went away. And you can't, you're being haunted all the time, whether there's a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv today or not, whether there's been one in 10 years or not. it's all the same. Yeah. I think the glass house that Americans live in and the glass house that

Israelis live in are similar, but different in very key ways. Whereas like we have our, you know, constructed Hezbara essentially that serves to explain why America is still great, no matter, you know, what our past is. You know, we have all of this, you know, we hide under layers and layers and layers of false narratives why, you know, we are a white supremacist, you know, anti-Black state. You know, we have a million different excuses and reasons, just like the Israelis do. The difference, and this is like the key, key, key difference is whereas Americans, I think, occasionally bring up the, like, we went to America for religious freedom, you know, that's like they'll talk about.

that. In general, there isn't as much of the victim narrative that I think exists as to the creation of the state of America, right? Like the state of America, our Hezbara, so to speak, along that was like, we were a victim of the British government for wanting to tax our tea, right? Like, that's kind of what we learn. But in general... And then from then on, we left our doors somewhat open. open to other victims of other people. Right. Even as we victimized. But it wasn't like all of us had the same victimhood coming to one place because it was the only

place for us. Right. And I think that is like the key difference is that because Zionism is built on this ethno-nationalist project that takes the anti-Semitism of Europe and superimposes it onto every single nation of the earth in which Jews existed and says, you are not. safe there all jews you are not safe there uh like that is the justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing that the the justification is we we need this if there's anyone else here who's not us they must be destroyed why because the outside world hates us and we need to keep doing

it forever because it's and i realize how unhealthy like because i grew up with the narrative of of everybody hates you if they know you're a Jewish. And I remember, you know, kind of like thinking, well, that, you know, maybe in a place where there's not a lot of Jews, but it seems like, I was, I just thought the world was like half Jewish at the time when I was a kid growing up. I didn't think, I didn't think there were such a small minority, right? But, you know, I still grew up with the idea that like, oh, you know, if people who aren't Jewish secretly hate you. And I realize that, like, that can be, you know, pretty, like, damaging, you know, to anybody, I think, but to base a country's...

Entire society. And society's reason d'etre, I guess, or... Strat's raison. Yes. Like, whatever that French word is, like, to base a country on that is just a recipe for this kind of shit. It's just crazy. It's crazy.

Um, yeah. Well, it may not be a country for very much longer. So there's that. Inshallah? Inshall. Yeah. Well, listen, this has been, this is, I think, been a great podcast. I feel like I am someone who, uh, occasionally gets long-winded on here.

And I hope what I said at the end made any sense. It sure did. Oh, yeah. Before we get out of here, Nora, any final words on, you know, what you think about Israel? I don't care for it. Right. Or what you think the possibilities are of a nice Jewish boy slash bad Hasbara crossover? Oh, we go on tour together and we rip each other's throats out?

Sick. My God. I mean, my prediction is that that podcast is actually. going to gain, you know, 10 times as many listeners and followers. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, it's hard to tell. I do feel like the one thing that has kept me going through the last 11 months has been watching people's Hasbara podcasts fail miserably.

Like Michael, Michael Rappaport, you know, he's like. Where did he go, by the way? You went to Israel. Did he stay there? throwing up to Philan Seagiles. Yeah. All of his fucking tweets are like his like leather, leather wrapped hand. That's the feeling like Phil and SIGiles.

Wow. Yeah. Like, you know, his podcast, which used to be just about sports, I think. Yeah. It's like turned into just as bar and people, you'll go to like comments and people like, what happened to this, man? This sucks now. Or, you know, Alon Levy's State of Israel podcast, which, uh,

sucks ass and nobody's listening to it makes me feel good that's good so let's hope uh you know two nice jewish boys are i think you should just rebrand bad hasbara as that and just take over the entire and let's do it be confused and yeah radicalized and yes we start they are they are doing our job for us i mean they're just it's true they're saying the quiet part out loud it's just that it's kind of a it's like it's a bummer. It's like a real bummer. It's like a bummer to play that shit.

You know, like, yeah, I know. It's, it's, it's, they're so joyless. There's, and there's so, and there's no pretense at all, right? Yeah. Like with Alone Levy, there's a pretense. And that for us as comics, as satirists, we're there to pierce, um, we're, we're there to penetrate the, the, the pretense, right? The pretense is the funny part.

But they just come out and they're like, you know what I really like. killing all of them I'd like to eat their their flesh I really would I really really really and I'm not even joking yeah

I want to see them all burn what the fuck are we supposed to do with that except be like well I mean that's what they're saying submit it to the hag I think yeah and just be like

you need more evidence how about this how about this I got more I got a lot of my bookmarks just look through my bookmarks on Twitter and then tell me whether or not they're doing genocide.

But yeah. It's bleak, guys. It is bleak. But you know what's not bleak? Norabaros Friedman. You are a ray of light in dark, dark times. I love your work. I really do.

I do love your contributions on electronic intipada. And I do, you are one of the only streams that I watch. Yay. Thanks. I very much enjoy. And I'm sorry. It's not, it's not an easy show to produce every week. No, but you guys are so detailed and forensic and passionate, but just sharp. Thank you. Oh my God, that means so much. You guys are amazing. One more time for everybody. Where can people find you and find your work?

On Twitter at Nora BF, as in best friend. And you can go to electronic intifada.net to read our latest features. We always have an incredible collection of features. We try to publish a few every day from our writers in Gaza. We're writing just impeccable and courageously, you know, crafted reports for us. And then on YouTube, just go to, I think it's the electronic and dot on YouTube, watch our live streams every Wednesday and should do it. Absolutely.

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