Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 50: Patel Me Lies, Patel Me Sweet Little Lies, with Katie Halper

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by Katie Halper (The Katie Halper Show, Useful Idiots) to cover the tragic killing of Aysengur Eygi by an IDF sniper, the difficulty in extracting a straight answer from the US State Department, and the Israeli tween publicity corps.Please donate to the Palestine Children's Relief Fund.Subscribe to the PatreonSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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The most exceedingly superlatively moral podcast on the damn planet, folks. How are you? On the whole of Earth. How is everyone? My name is Matt Leeb. I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast. And my name is not. My name is Daniel Mate and I'll be the other most moral codpast.

Yeah. Cod paste. This is cod paste. Get your cod paste. Our most moral codpiece, Daniel Mante, protecting all your nuts from all the things that are flying your way. Baseballs, soccer balls, someone's foot. Which reminds me of one of my favorite independent rap lyrics from Company Flow. Of course, 1997.

Verbal flamethrower serving roasted nuts. Matt, do you notice that your glasses kind of match my shirt and my glasses kind of match your shirt? I didn't notice that. but that does seem like something that we planned, but we didn't. The thing about us is we don't plan, we didn't even plan to meet, you know what I mean? Everything has been a coincidence. We just happened to be sort of the exact same person. I was planning not to meet you and look how that went.

I was doing my best to avoid you. You were, you know, you DM me and I said, I don't know who this guy is, but he is an op. That's what I said. You know what they say? Make a plan and God starts a podcast. That's right. Although you had already started the podcast. In fact, you started the podcast the week we met.

That's right. Yeah. After meeting you, I said, I got to start a podcast. I got to start a podcast that I will never invite him on. I will never invite Daniel Mate on. No. Speaking of a podcast that we are doing, give us five stars and review on all of the apps. If you are on Spotify, go ahead and, you know, write a comment at the bottom of the podcast app.

You can be like, hey, I like this episode. or hey Matt's hot or damn his eyes are beautiful even though i don't see him because i'm listening to the audio version of it but he's telling me they are so i believe him because he never lies and matt why shouldn't they do that on other apps is there is there some sort of snag there i just the spotify is though i mean there are other we like screwing over indian musicians yeah while we're saving palestine it's like free free palestine bankrupt bankrupt little bands yeah yeah no it's i think it's just spotify it's like uh it's a thing they offer.

They offer that kind of engagement whereas you can't do that on the like Apple podcast. No, no royalties. It says producer Adam Levin in the house. Shout out to him. Shout out producer Adam Levin. With the Kairons.

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Here's what you do. Here's what you do, okay? Here's the game. Make a drinking game out of it. but instead of drinking game, a donating game, get that bingo card out that we showed the other week that someone lovingly made or make your own. So every time I make a pun that you absolutely hate,

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Sure. I can't stand you. Donate. And then whatever money you have left at the end in your kids college fund, you maybe join the Patreon for five bucks a month. Absolutely. The Palestinian Children's Relief Fund needs your money. Your children do not, I would say.

You know, like here's the thing. If you got enough money for PCRF.net and enough money to, if you want to join the Patreon, then that's great. don't worry about your kids as the great there will not be college in the next few years as the great sufi poet kalil gibran said your children are not your children and that's where the poem ends and what he meant was don't take care of them don't save for their education yeah i'm i also know that poem because i am also smart and culture it was set to music and sung by the soul gospel funk not funk folk group sweet honey and the rock daniel i have a question for you yeah baby

What are you spinning? So what's the spin? What's the spin? Well, the spin this week. I'm on the road. I'm traveling. And when I say on the road, I don't mean like I'm doing events.

I'm just traveling. No, he's literally just on the road. I haven't been shopping for records. I've been being very disciplined. But today I was in Boulder, Colorado, and went to Paradise Found. And I found some paradise. Got some Michael McDonald.

God damn. Blue-eyed soul, yacht rock. Hell yes. I fucking I love Michael McDonnell Here's the thing about Michael McDonald He uh when I listen to him I feel like he's Like he's kind of trying to have sex with me

Which is wild because it's like You know it's music and I feel like I should feel that with a lot of other artists But I don't but with him I'm like he is straight up trying to have sex with me through this song He's the sex with you let me suck your car Let me sew your dick and you know what I mean It's like... Absolutely. Then I got

Led Zeppelin physical graffiti. Okay. Which I hear is one of their best albums that I don't really know so well. Yeah. That's a good one. I mean, I don't know. I don't listen to that much Led Zeppelin.

I'm spending too much time listening on Michael McDonald. I got some girls by Rolling Stones. Apparently there's a naughty insert in here somewhere. The original... This has a Miss You and all those other things. Okay. Um, and one more just for that it's not

running a cock rock Laura Niro I don't know Laura Niro Wonderful Folk folk singer songwriter who did an album With who was it? LaBelle

Patty LaBelle's group They sang back up for her And they sang like girl group Motown songs and it's quite cool So yeah She died young I think Really really cool singer I love uh

I love folk music a lot. I sing my daughter to sleep every night to a couple of Joanna Newsom songs, which she was just, you know, both of them are 10 minutes long, but you know, you do what you've got

to do to get the baby to go to sleep. You get out your saw and you get your voice. Does she love the voice you do for Joanna Newsom? Oh, she loves it. Whenever I do the high pitch stuff, she's like, fuck, yeah, dog, hell. Hell, yeah. Give us a little taste? Yeah, I'm not going to, hell no, that's for my daughter's years only.

all right not without my daughter not without my daughter uh but yeah that's uh i love joanna newsome she's she plays the harp she does folk music she's so cool uh she married andy sandberg um which like for me it was heartbreaking because i was like oh she has a type and i'm very close to it except for the like the success part you know he put his dick in a box isn't that the one we're talking about that is the one we're talking about yeah yeah i mean Did you put your dick in a box for her? I've put my, dude, you know, I told you about the fish story.

Cutting this out. All right, well, anyway, that's the spin. I can't promise it being anywhere near as good as Mr. Patel's spin, which we'll get into later from the State Department or White House or whatever. You will talk about Mr. Patel. Oh, oh, oh, Patel. A lot of Glenn, Gary, Glenn, Ross going on in this podcast. But today, let's introduce.

our most moral guest in the universe this is the host of the Katie Halper show and co-host of useful idiots a great podcast. Let me guess. Aaron Matte. Yes, it's Aaron Matte. The host of the Katie Alper show. Yes.

And is also now working on a doc about Holocaust survivors speaking out against the Gaza Genocide. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, please welcome to the show Katie Helper. Hi, everyone.

Hi, guys. Thanks for having me. Hey, Katie. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming on. So good to see you. I'm so glad we could make this happen. Yeah.

You know, I, I, I, uh, you've invited me on your show a couple of times. And, uh, you know, I've been like, we got to get Katie on. And, you know, just now, now it's happening. And is it everything you dream? Is it? Yeah, I'm asking. Oh, it's funny. The way you delivered it was like a declarative.

Yeah. Is it ever, everything you dream? It definitely is. I mean, I've just started, but yeah, I think so. She dreamed of sitting backstage listening to us, jerk each other off verbally for 15 minutes. Well, I did. I learned some stuff about Laura Niro, by the way, who was young when she died. She was 49, but I knew she was young.

And when you started talking to her, I was like, let me look up how old she was when she died. But I also learned that her name was actually N-I-G-R-O, and they changed it. I could see why. Yeah. I could see why. Yeah. They used, yeah. They used to say Nigro.

I can imagine. At best. And then she then, after she loved high school, she changed it to NYRO, which you think would say be pronounced Niro, but according to Wikipedia at least, it's pronounced Nero. And she was going to call her first album, Negris, excuse me, Nigro, if you please. Yeah. That's what, that doesn't make it on to the Wikipedia. entry, but yes.

One more time. Thank you. Thank you. Katie, we got to ask. Look, this, we're not afraid to go to controversial places on this podcast. Obviously. Obviously, clearly. It's a podcast about Israel.

It's about Israel. It's very contentious. But we also don't like to wade willy-nilly into, you know, cultural issues that just don't pertain to this. But I do have to ask you because you received at a young age, and you've spoken about this publicly. An experimental vaccination treatment,

a kind of inoculation against Zionism called red diaper vaccine. Right. Right. Being born into the family and the sort of New York subculture that you were and then you've spoken about

the summer camp you went to. Neither of us had that experience. No, certainly not. So how did that work? I went the labor left-wing Zionist route and found my way here. Matt got straight up birthrighted. You know, he was fully infected at a certain point.

Can you explain red diaper? Are we talking about you were born as a communist? Well, yeah, I'm more of a red diaper baby's baby. A red diaper baby refers to second generation red diaper baby. When you're a red diaper baby, that means your parents were communists. So I guess your diaper was red. But yeah, I did go to a summer camp called Kinderland. I made a documentary about that, which is coming out shortly called Comic Camp.

And it was not a Zionist summer camp. Um, it wasn't, I think it was more non-Zionist than anti-Zionist. Sure. Um, so I was mostly raised non-Zionist more than anything else. My mom does have cousins who live in Israel. Um, but I've definitely become more anti-Zionist and less non-Zionists as has my mom. Oh, that's nice. What would you say the differences?

I feel like about being post-Zionist too. Right. Um, I think that being non-Zionist means like you just don't care about Israel necessarily. right um i think also sometimes it's just a way for people to avoid waiting into it um or it's a way to be like it's complicated yeah yeah because i think if you're an explicitly anti-zionist uh jewish institution then you probably get more flack for just uh being one that is like you know saying like no we're not we're not Zionist right we don't we don't do i mean i guess it is a weird line you know uh because it's the, you know, does it mean you're neutral on Zionism? Not necessarily.

I'm just thinking about being like, I'm not, I'm a non-Nazi. I'm not going to Nazi. I'm just not a Nazi. You know avoidant attachment styles? It's kind of the avoidant version of that. Right. Yeah. That's my favorite attachment style.

Yeah. I have to. I guess everyone else, I guess all Zionists have anxious attachment style, right? Anxious and disorganized. Yeah. Yeah. yeah and they fawn I just avoidance of anxious and secure

but there's also disorganized or are you just yeah disorganized is actually the the attachment style of people who were severely abused or had like alcoholic parents like it's just a total chaos hot mess hot mess it's hot mess is that new in attachment theory it's yeah it's like an add-on like not to brag but I'm pretty well versed and I'm pretty yeah you know a thing too about attachment style

Yeah, seriously. Yeah, I don't know how it happened. Yeah. So, but you ended up, you know, so you started off in the avoidant and then you ended up getting, you know, instead of freeze or flee, you're like, let's fight this. Because to wait it, to look at it is to oppose it. And if I'm going to make common, if I'm going to oppose it, then I need to make common cause with, and it seems, it sounded like what you've talked about from your kind of kind of solidarity outlook. Right. Of being Jewish, like you've talked about how on, instead of Tisha of, you would do, was it Hiroshima Day?

Yeah. So we do Holocaust Memorial Day, Holocaust commemoration, and we do Hiroshima also. We have two days. Yeah. Not to brag. So just those? As of now, yeah. Those are the two we focus on, yeah.

They would just alternate every Mondays was about the Holocaust. No, one, Holocaust is July, and Hiroshima is actually. on actual Hiroshima Day in August. Oh, I see. Really, Nagasaki gets so invisibleized. It's Hiroshima Nagasaki Day. Okay. Yeah.

You don't really hear much about Nagasaki. Yeah, it's really unfair. I feel like that was bad, too. They really stole their thunder. Did you guys see the tweet? I forget who put it out, but when there was recently like a significant anniversary and there was an event either in Hiroshima or Nagasaki, and the mayor said something about something or other, maybe it was because the Americans didn't send someone or

forget. And someone tweets, shame on this mayor for politicizing Hiroshima Nagasaki Commemoration Day. Yeah. A famously non-political event, the nuclear bombing of Japan. Stop making this violent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, you're really making this kind of polarizing, you know? Yeah. Well, that's the Zionist line. Like stop being so divisive about the occupation. Right. We can disagree, but why are you being so. Conflict, not the occupation the conflict yeah yeah yeah yeah it's just a thousand-year-old religious right it's just about two religions they just can't get along tragically and then there's a third one where

people keep getting killed somehow yeah two so i want to i want to ask you katy uh you grow up uh in you know this very specific circumstance in which you are um not uh growing up in a zionist household and uh you know and still remaining uh jewish that Did you have a turn from non-Zionist to anti-Zionist recently, or was it over a period of time? Like, when did you start adding the anti in front of Zionists? Good question. I honestly think it was having Miko Pelit on who gave me, like, the courage to, this sounds so lame, actually, in retrospect. No, not at all.

So cowardly, because it wasn't that long ago. But I kind of did, I mean, I would always, it was always critical of Israel, but I think I just avoided the question of, like, the Zionism. Zionism question. Right. I was like, well, I don't know about the founding of it. I know about it, but what we can all agree about is that it does horrible stuff now, as opposed to it was founded as a genocidal ethnic cleansing project. Sure.

I also found the way people talked about it. It's funny, because they say the same things that I say now, and they're definitely true. But there was a, I guess the way it was talked about, I found it not very, inviting. Sure. It's off-putting. But I do that too. So I'm trying to think if I was just behind. I mean, I can't speak for you, but I think that was the case for me was I found it all very off-putting the way that people made me critically think. And I was like, you guys are using a lot of harsh words. And what you should be doing is using Nerf words. And in fact, we should all use nerf words to just describe a genocide and it wasn't until um you know yeah it was a slow

evolution for me but eventually i just ended up matching the exact language that people had been using that i had once found off because you found out the facts to which they were referring and you yeah right and matched matched the facts and you and i had to it was like the the big hurdle for me was getting over the specific, just like, semantic triggers that I had with regard to, you know, this, quote, conflict versus like the Holocaust, you know, this kind of othering of the Holocaust as being such a untouchably evil event that you can't even begin to describe anything as being even somewhat similar. And just kind of the way that that held me back. from like soberly looking at them.

Right. It's interesting. For me, it wasn't that you can't compare it to the Holocaust because at my camp, we were always talking about like we did Hiroshima Day

and also on Holocaust Commemoration Day, we talk about how it wasn't just the Jews who were killed. To me, I think there were a couple of things that made me squeamish about it. One was, ironically, the term Zionists, and this is what makes Israel's conflation of Zionism and Jewishness so anti-Semitic and so ironic

is that, like, there are two groups of people who use the word Zionists and Jew interchangeably. And that's, like, the ADL, APEC, and Israel on the one hand, and then just raging anti-Semites. And Nazis, yes. The Zionist, this, the Zionist, that, did you do this. So I was always uncomfortable with that word. I found it kind of triggering, but that doesn't mean, like, then I just had to look at it and be like, well, there's something wrong with the fact that, like, that doesn't make you an anti-Semite. the fact that people use that word to conflate Jews and Zionists. Like, Zionism still exists and Zionists still exist.

So there's that. And then it's almost the opposite of what you said with the comparison thing. For me, it wasn't that, oh, you can't ever compare the Holocaust to anything. It was more that there needed to be like a carve out for the Holocaust. And I don't actually think that that's wrong. I just meant like there needed to be one more step, whereas, like, yes, it's a colonial project. and yes, the Holocaust happened, and those two things can happen at the same time.

But so I felt like that kind of wasn't allowed for, and I was like, wait, but it's not just a colonial project the way other colonial projects are colonial projects because they weren't fleeing extermination. And then you realize, well, actually, they're not, it's not complicated in a way people say it's complicated to whitewash what Israel is doing. And it's not that complicated.

It's just not as simple. It's true. There isn't a, there isn't a, home country that sent the people to go back. Is that the word for the metro? With the conflation thing, it sounds like you decided, okay, well, I don't like this conflation. I'm going to assign the cause and the blame for this conflation to the people doing it in

the worst faith that I'm supposed to agree with, which is the Jews and the Zionist. What do you think of Norman Finkelstein's formulation? He doesn't use the word Zionist. This has become like a standard badhusbander, a question I like to ask everybody because I find it so interesting. He thinks Jewish supremacy, Jewish supremacist is a much better term than Zionist because David Ben-Gurian was a Zionist, Moschadiam was a Zionist. These people aren't building anything. They don't believe in anything. They just believe in Jewish supremacy. That's interesting. I think we probably honestly get more people. Well, I'm not sure. I was going to say we'd get more people on our side. I think we would probably reach more people. But then again, we probably, I mean, there's a, I think in the aggregate, we'd have a net gain if we use that term.

You definitely lose people who are, like, don't want to think of Zionism as Jewish supremacist. But I think there are people who are so brainwashed into thinking of Zionism as self-defense as opposed to ethno-nationalism that if we maybe just use Jewish supremacy to describe it, like someone like me, who was uncomfortable with the whole Zionist thing. Now, that may have changed, but that's a good question. And, of course, this question has a carve out, to use your term, all these questions that I kind of are, have a carve out for Palestinians, because as far as I'm concerned, Palestinians get to use the term that applies to the people who did the thing to them. The Zionists came in and did the thing.

They are the victims of Zionism. I have nothing to say about how anyone who's been through that enables their oppression. Yeah, that's actually I want to come on because I had a list of all I want to present of what terms I find appropriate for Palestinians to use. Oh, good. I love a listicle. No, but that is a good question about, I mean, to the extent that we have any discursive or political or organizing power, you know,

what is the most helpful way to do this? And then another question is, who are we trying to reach versus, because I understand people, like, it's not on Palestinians to convince anyone. I feel like this is a tough question politically in most cases where who needs to be reached, like how far do you go to reach them? What are you trying to achieve? because I think that people have different roles. Like there's the role of some people is to just be unapologetically and unabashedly

anti-Zionist and alienate people. And then you have other people who I think can walk a line that's not dishonest and doesn't whitewash Zionism, but maybe tries to appeal to people who aren't already there. And I think sometimes it's hard to do that without feeling dirty. Right. Yeah. I think it's, uh, depends on the message. messenger. My whole thing is, and this is my problem with, I think, people in, like, left academia

spaces in general is they just, they don't ever speak in the vernacular. They refuse to. And in refusing to, they end up alienating everyone and thinking, why do you talk so weird? They send paper airplanes from the ivory tower down and they bunk people in their head. They're like, read that, use that word. Yeah. And I think in general it's like turns all conversations to be semantic conversations rather than just speaking plainly about what's bad and what's not bad. And so whether you call it, you know, Zionism or Jewish supremacy to me is like it's... Or self-defense. Or yeah. Reservation. Right, exactly. It's like you, it is about being clear within whatever. context of whatever conversation you're having. And it's whenever there's somebody who's a hardline semantics guy who wants to tone police, I'm always the most turned off by that than I am by someone who like slips up and like

does the conflation of Zionism and Judaism. Like with that, I like to go, wait, wait, wait, wait. Right, yeah. And then see if the reaction is, oh, shit, my bad. if it's like, shut up, Jew, and then I'm like, okay, well, there we go. Well, you both said it, and it's important.

It depends who you're speaking to and depends who's listening. I've seen people in the comments on this show, and you know, we've spoken, Matt and I have told you guys what we think of your comments, generally speaking. Yeah, exactly. On a philosophical level. Yeah, eat the slop.

Yum, yum, yum. Eat the slot. Yeah, we wipe our asses with your comments, generally speaking. You know, we love you all, guys. But one person was like, does Daniel need to keep both sidesing the genocide? And that's not what they meant. because I never both sides of genocide.

They meant does he need to keep inserting like some kind of residual sympathy for Israelis in his heart? Oh, like empathy? Empathy, you know, like seeing them as human beings that might have some kind of future we need to contend with there. And basically what that person is saying

is I don't have the emotional bandwidth right now, given what's going on, to extend my empathic curiosity or imagination. Yeah, you don't have to. And I'm like, God damn right. You absolutely don't have to. Yeah, do whatever you want. Right.

And I'm going to keep speaking what I'm speaking, because it does have a certain intention that seems to be within the ballpark of the various things, some solemn and some fucking stupid that this podcast tries to do. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, it's interesting because going back to, I'm already thinking in my head, like, oh, this person's going to cancel me. That person's going to cancel me. But I'm saying this not out of cancellation fear. I just think it's an important, interesting point, which is that I actually think, like, we need to talk about, instead of kind of rolling. our eyes at the Holocaust enough already with the Holocaust, we have to look, and I'm not saying

like, you guys do this. I mean, I roll my eyes at the Holocaust, honestly, because it's so weaponized. But I think to reach people, we have to explain to them, like, what makes Israel such an abomination on so many levels is that it's so tragic and it's such an injustice because it used these people who were fleeing and who the West did not let into their countries. You use these people who were fleeing extermination and they treated them like shit by the way which i like i i didn't know this until fairly recently there's great books on this but you know some of the people i interviewed for this documentary one of them is the son of a survivor and he remembers how his parents were called

um safon which is hebrew for soap because that myth that that uh jews were you know nazis used jews to make soap like israel weaponized the holocaust we know this very clearly but they also didn't treat the survivors well. And that's what makes it so upsetting because it's like... And they turned some of them into rapist, murdering, pillaging maniacs. They gave them guns and guns. And they said, go get your revenge. Yeah, on these people who had

nothing to do with the Holocaust. That's right. So I actually think we need to talk about how, talk about, as Amy Goodman said, would say. But we do need to, I think, explain to people how it makes it that much more disgusting. The colonial project that is Israel on the ethnic cleansing project that is Israel, it's only that much more disgusting that

they invoke a genocide to justify another genocide. Yeah, 100%. It is, in general, like, why it's one of the goals I think that I have in terms of talking about this with people is to, rather than rolling your eyes at the Holocaust, because a lot of people, you're not wrong. People do do that. And I find myself doing it too, especially when it's used in bad faith by Asbaris to further their own genocide of a people's. But there are people who do the same thing with anti-Semitism. You know, if they hear a claim of anti-Semitism, they roll their eyes. And I don't want to hear any more shit about anti-Semitism, which is like, is a reaction I understand on a level of like, yeah, we have been gaslit about anti-Semitism for a while. Really, Matt, gas.

Yeah. I'm sorry. Excuse me. We have been Cyclone B. it into thinking about, you know, anti-Semitism and fears of anti-Semitism as being as dire and should be over-prioritized more than actual genocide that is happening currently. It's the boy who cried wolf blitzer. That's right.

But. Or when they're, when they're Christian Zionists, it's the boy who cried wolf. But so my goal is rather than to get people to like roll their eyes at it is to understand the creation of the state of Israel and Zionism in its original form and current form as an extension of the victimization of Jews and world jewelry. It is not a, it is not the, this is the prize you get for the, for the Holocaust. It is like, no, this is just a continued victimization of Jews around the world. And that's not to say that it is a victimization in the same way that it is for the fucking Palestinians.

obviously. But yeah. Well, but if you factor in the Mizrahi story, you really, you actually round out that picture in various ways, which we've talked about that, you know, that number one, the Holocaust is not the be all and all of Jews. Isaac Mizrahi, right? You're talking about it? Right. That's right. Right. The fashion designer, right? Yeah. Um, uh, that, that Jews experienced many different kinds of relationships with their home countries. Yeah. That anti-Semitism is a European problem. And that Israel victimized a whole group of Jews and erased their identities and replaced it with a much

impoverished one and gaslit them into doing its dirty work while it shoved them into the dirtiest corners and the most unsafe corners and used them as kind of Molotov cocktail fodder for their, you know, as a buffer between them and the Palestinians and turned them against people who had had much more in common with than they did with their Ashkenazio oppressors. Yeah, and that's another thing that's worth mentioning, which is that, you know, What we think of as Jewish, like a stereotypically Jewish, is pure Ashkenazi. Like everything, how, you know, from like Larry David to Masabal soup to like pastrami or whatever. You know, there's Sephardic Jewry and Mizrahi Jewry, which are very different culturally.

Right. Yeah. Then there's all this Jewish racism and. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But yeah, the point of this podcast is so that everyone, you know, listening can just like, learn you know we're here to like teach and to learn uh and to be very serious and to not ever laugh we are the class we are the class clowns who became the teachers that's right exactly uh and it is with that that i'd like to present my first piece of hasbara for today um remember uh the kid

you did the song about daniel uh twist uh yeah uh twasbarra that's right uh alon levies uh brand new little boy who is... His little mini-a-ni. Yeah, his mini-a-ni. You know who Ailon Levy is, right? Oh, yeah, of course, yeah. So he got fired, you know, became a citizen spokesperson.

He's such a bad liar that he's, like, got fired by Israel, which says... Yeah, even Israel was like, Jesus Christ, guy. Liar, liar, liar, sorry you're fired. Anyway, so he went recently on Israeli television to announce his name. new Hasbara Venture and he brought a little 10 year old along with him and he said we're going to be using, this kid is going to be able

to speak to the youth of the world on TikTok and the kid is like in Hebrew, we are putting a new twist on Hasbara. I have an update he has put out his first piece of content and well here it is. When I was little I was scared of monsters

under the bed but in Gaza kids my age have real monsters under the bed Because Hamas... Kind of over the bed, no? They kind of have monsters over the, like... Yeah, but they're also under the bed in tunnels. You understand?

No, I understand, but I'm just trying to fact check here. Yeah. I'm talking about the ones dropping bombs on the bed. Oh, you mean the more real threat, the scary monsters over the bed in planes and drones? That's what I'm saying. Sorry to interrupt. Doug tunnels under children beds. They even executed hostages in dungeons under a child's bedroom.

Amos monsters stored weapons in children bedrooms in Gaza, even right under their beds. I'm sorry, but you've said, kid, I don't mean to, I don't mean to fact check you. I don't, I don't mean to judge you. I know you're new, but you've said, you've said beds multiple times. You keep saying under the bed. Yeah. Well, yeah, we got to, you know, mix up a little bit, you know. They didn't even make their beds.

Yeah. And they moved to their beds without asking the kids. what's under their beds. Yes. And they did not do anything to the bath or to the beyond, just to the bed. Just to the beds. And there was no feng shui in the way they arranged the beds. This is like the attempt to do the save, what is it, free Palestine from Hamas, right?

Oh, yeah, 100%. That's exactly what this is. It's like Ali's ship. Yeah, yes, this is freeing Palestine from Hamas. I like it. It's just like, you know how kids are scared of monsters under the bed. and then just talking about kids in Gaza and just trying to claim that

any fear that they have of Hamas would somehow be greater than their actual fear of getting bombed to death. Never mind any awareness they would have of Hamas. I mean, I wonder how many pen pals this kid has with kids in Gaza. Too many to count, actually. A lot, a lot of kids.

Hamas, terrorists, who can have little children from Israel in October 7th. It must be so scary. You notice she's wearing Elon's exact suit? Yes. They dress exactly in the same. It's actually the same size.

People don't know this. It's literally just like, wow, I fit into your suit. Don't tell anyone that. And I fit into your pajamas. Oh, look. Oh, there's such torturers. Wait, pause that. Go back a little bit.

Can you show that dog? Look, these monsters under the bed who let that girl and her puppy, really cute puppy, somehow they both survives? Yeah, and this Yeah, but they're feeding it, they're feeding it off-brown puppy chow. There's no purina. Exactly. That's a gluten-free dog and that dog right now is

Ciliac disease is really run and rampant. Why would they show that? Like, why would they show that? Because you have to remember that to Israelis, not just to Israel, Israelis in general think the more Hamas guys they show with the scary masks and the

headband, the more people will be like, Oh, kill them all. It's also a very Wizard of Oz. You know, look at Dorothy there in the land of Aza. Yeah. Oh, wow. He went there. I was waiting for someone to do that.

The Wizard of Gaza. The Wizard of Gaza. You know, and she's, you know, and her little dog, too. Yeah, exactly. And the flying monkeys and the flying monkeys on the paragliders. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wow.

And Sinwar is the witch. All we have to do is throw some water on Sinwar, and he'll melt away. The Wicked Witch of the West Bank. Well, Sinwar's still alive. So, wait, which one was killed first? The Wicked Witch of the East The Witch of the West. Wicked Witch of the East was killed first.

Yeah, right. A house fell on her. You're right, so Sinmar, right. Wait, a house fell on her. Oh, my God. We, we are, people think that the Wizard of Oz is about like the gold standard and populism. They're so wrong. No, it's about the Gaza genocide.

Yeah, it is. Yo. We unpack that. That's wild, dude. We're going to have to. The Goldstein standard. Right, here we go Hamas monsters

Under their beds Hamas monsters are really bad Used children You didn't sell that line No, he didn't Hamas monsters are Really bad They're really bad

Like not just bad They're fucking really bad They use childrens as What are we gonna say? Human Shields Soldiers Okay The most vulnerable children

To be lookouts In dangerous places In dangerous places You mean Gaza? Yeah, right You mean all of Gaza? They're fighting. Iran child's hold your book camps to change children to be terrorists.

They teach them about Jihad in schools. They teach them to hate and put them in danger. Hamas is stealing their future. Their kid in Gaza, they haven't done anything wrong. We're suffering from the word Hamas targeted. Oh, we still have to kill them. They haven't done anything wrong, but we're going to have to carpet bomb them. He's talking about himself.

He's actually talking about himself. Yeah, he's saying, I haven't done it. He hasn't done anything wrong, and they're making him do this. They're teaching him hate. They're turning, what is this? He is a child soldier. He is a child soldier of Hasbarah. He is clearly and explicitly.

And, you know, this is his boot camp. I feel, I know this is pretty meta, but it's also like, he doesn't, like, Elon, Elon Levy, right? He's such a raging asshole. I feel like this kid is like what happens before. I mean, they're all like brainwashed to hate and think that they're in self-defense. when they kill people, but this kid seems like, even despite what he's saying, something about him doesn't, like, scream, like, evil.

No, he's a kid. He's an Israeli kid. This is Muppet Baby is the genocide version. Yeah. It's just like, I mean, you know, they talk about in this video, it's, this is why this doesn't work. It's because you can't have a video in which you're like, we need a kid to tell the West about how Gaza treats kids.

Right. You can't have that video because... And then be, like, have the high moral ground? Right, especially because you have this kid instead, and you're just like, damn, I feel kind of bad for it. And why have him in the suit? Right. Why not have him dressed like a kid? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Like, that's where you fucked up in the wardrobe department. Hamas should make a video about the making of this video. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Like, look at what Israel does to his children. I'm the, I shouldn't do the Arabic accent, but he'd be like, Israeli children are made to dress up like little blue-suited oxford monkeys like Elon

exactly you know wait put that kid in a no fear fear tea and some jorts from the where Hamas started on October 7th yeah I hope we can be friends one day but for us to be friends your grownups need to stop trying to destroy

my country as well I don't want to hide in a bomb shelter because Hamas monsters should rocket at me while hiding on their children beds in Gaza do they think oh my god the beds Back to the beds and Gaza coming full circle. And I'm sorry, but like that imagery they just showed of a literal child shaking in fear.

Doesn't remind me of anything. Not reminiscent. Well, no, but like, do you think that's a video of a child shaking because Hamas did something? That's not at all. That is a child shaking because the people that you're talking about, the adults are doing airstrikes on them, on those kids, specifically. You sure those weren't Israeli kids in bomb shelters? I mean, I think that's what he was trying to sell.

It could be. It could be. I could be wrong. But it's just like, you know. I'd still argue they're in those bomb shelters because of what your grownups did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If we're going to be grownups about it. What did we do about rockets? Let's find out. While hiding on their children,

beds in Gaza. What do we do about the monsters? I don't know. What do we do? Oh, damn. You didn't answer that question. I really should answer to that question. Clifhanger. And just imagine Alon behind the camera. How many takes do you think he forced that kid to do? I know. And he did that thing, that very like bad child actor thing. You see like, what can we do? Yeah. They're just like, you know, there's something like innocent Charlie Brown about him, but you know,

without the... I feel like we should save him. Can we have like a rescue mission? Seriously. I, there's like, there's just so many... We'll make that the sponsor in the next episode. Do you guys remember the, do you guys remember uh i don't know if you guys ever stayed up late and watched infomercials back in the day but do you remember there was like this one infomercial that was like save the soviet jews yeah that was called my hebrew school class oh it was like there was literally a i one day i have to find it but it was it was a long as infomercial about how uh if you just pay x amount of money you can airlift one soviet jew out of uh the soviet union and send them

to Israel. And I remember watching this and just being like, what the fuck is going on? And then also being like, yeah, let's do that. That sounds cool. We got to airlift those guys. I didn't even know. We have to exfiltrate this kid and get him. I kind of want to airlift Israeli

kids. Give him some white fish sandwiches and Mel Brooks movies and steady diet of diaspora shit. Yeah, yeah. Just fucking, just something beyond wearing a suit to do has bar for a guy who got fired.

That's like just, it's double child abuse. Just super humiliating. And, you know, it's not this kid's fault. But God damn, I got to say, he's, he's really got to take some ground legs classes or something. Yeah, seriously. And at a certain point, we're not going to be able to protect him anymore. So on, on, this is Bad Hasbara, this is Bad Hasbara 50. This is our 50th episode.

That's right. When it comes to Bad Hasbara 500, the kid will be in his teens. we're going to be irredeemable irredeemable and we'll be mercilessly roasting him just like we do everybody else so bro if we get the 500 episodes we get the 500 episodes i will be fucking in hasbala by that point you know if this if this fucking genocide keeps going on and it'll be called rad hasbola at that point yeah oh i can't wait hey uh hasan nasralla if you're out there you know be a guest on this podcast we can talk some shit about some videos it'll be fun um but yeah hey before we continue the show we got bills to pay you guys so let's all

take a quick break and stick around we'll be right back Great time. Daniel's mic went down. I had a penny. I could afford a decent mic stand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're here with none other than Katie Halper post of the Katie Halper show and of Useful Idiots. And we're also here to talk about Hejbara.

Let's talk about a sad news story. We're going to sandwich. This is going to be a shit sandwich today. an insane thing has happened that's also not at all insane not at all that I was going to say has happened a lot actually insane and consistent and predicted

100% only congruent Aisha Nore Esgi who is a American citizen and recently graduated college student was murdered by an Israeli sniper in the West Bank and this has been one of those events that is happening

that actually was able to at least in some way breakthrough to mainstream media where they would at least admit that something bad had happened. So just for a brief primer on that, we go to this clip from CBS. The big questions over the death of a young American in the occupied West Bank. A procession was held this morning for 26-year-old Ila Aegee.

She graduated from the universe. I pronounce it correctly. You did. I just want to point out, she pronounced it wrong. Bad Hasbara is your more trusted source for the names of non-Western derived American citizens killed at least than CBS is. Then CBS. She had Washington back in the spring. And a few days ago, I witnesses say that she was shot in the head by an Israeli army sniper.

Elizabeth Palmer is in the West Bank for us with more on this. story. The people who've joined the procession today, officials, activists, and the... Big structural change in the West Bank is coming, baby. My God, big structural valley. Remember that? Yeah, big structural bailies there. Are here to honor Aggie's death and also to say a final goodbye.

For the ceremony to honor her, Eisenhower Agi's body was wrapped in a Palestinian flag. Her family said she'd been a passionate human rights activist her whole life. 26 years old and a recent graduate from the University of Washington, she'd come to the West Bank just last week to support the Palestinians. On Friday, Egey had joined activists in the West Bank demonstrating against an Israeli settlement expanding in the middle of Palestinian lands. Yeah, you've seen the two jeeps. The Israeli army clashed with the demonstrators.

The military now says, Rocks were thrown. I hate when the army clash with unarmed protesters. Yeah. That is a demerit. But here is a merit. They said expanding into

Palestinian lands. They didn't say disputed territory. Yeah. You notice these things when you notice how rare that is. Right. Yeah. I mean, they're going to get letters from camera.

That's for sure. But it is these little semantic changes that you have have to take his wins because otherwise you just feel the immense weight of losing to fascist Israel. The soldiers fired back with live bullets. And that's where they lost it.

It was the clash between fired back. Yeah. Fired back. What were they allegedly firing with before? The military now says rocks were thrown. Rocks. Of course. It's always a rock, yeah.

They had to defend themselves from. sniper is by definition hundreds of yards away so the sniper is not someone who is you know in the line of fire of a rock of a rock which is going to arc through the air

right this rather slowly and almost certainly miss its target yes or your body armor or your body armor and just like you know when you see something like that where they, you know, it is not forgiving

when a soldier on the ground does it. Obviously, when a soldier on a ground also shoots someone with a live ammo and someone else has a rock. They're also a piece of shit. But a sniper is literally far away.

A sniper is not close by. So to in any way suggest that this is anything other than an execution of one of the protesters. Whether or not they knew it was an American citizen, I don't know. But to be honest, you know, if I found out that they did know, I would not be in the least bit surprised. Two things that, you know, how I remember the first Intifada, because I'm that old. And the broken

bones policy of Yitzhak Shemir. That's right. And or Rabin, you know, which was if they throw stones break their arm, which is, which is mafia's shit, right? Yeah. You know, but at least it's, at least it's cruelty with some reference to the thing, you know, it's like, it's like what a medieval king would you, cut out the liar's tongue or the blaspheme. Right. Yeah.

That's what the church would do. Cut off the thief's hand. Now we're talking about just sniping people. That's, that's number one. Number two, Israeli activists who were there with the group, including. Jonathan Pollock. I don't know if we have a clip from him, but he testifies that they were standing.

They were absolutely peaceful. There was no throwing going on. It was over. Yeah. And they just... Right. But it's funny, it says a lot that even their cover story is like just the biggest load of fascistic bullshit ever, where their cover story of all they were throwing

rocks does not explain a sniper shooting somebody. Yeah. I mean, the definition about Hasbara is always even if true. yeah yeah exactly and that's just across the word i think they should have gone with a much simpler explanation and it goes all the way back to the the way that um i shenor was introduced at the beginning of the story which if you remember an american citizen and recent college graduate end of story say no more she went to she went to an american college in the year 2023 24 off her off her head yeah clear you know what they teach you know what they teach you

kids at American colleges. They teach their kids to hate in Yale. Of course, they shot her in the head. What was in her head was a threat to the state of Israel and the Jewish people. Yeah, what was in there was anti-Semitism. That's, you have to get rid of that. It was self-defense.

It was self-defense if someone's brain is filled with hate. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, and just, we'll just continue this. Hmm. Agie was shot in the head. I saw her lying. on the ground under an olive tree, bleeding to death.

I looked up and I saw a clear line of sight to the soldiers. They're shooting my brows. I'm curious why they didn't introduce who that gentleman was. Did they give his name later in the story? Not as far as I know. Okay, that's Jonathan Pollack. Yes. A brilliant Israeli activist.

If you want to watch an incredible speech, he received some kind of activist prize a few years ago before the October 7 genocide. or before October 7 kicked off this round of the genocide. I'm being careful now when I say before the genocide started because when is that, right, sure. But he talked about how we need to disassemble Israel

and we need as Israelis to disassemble our Israelis. We need to not just be anti-Israel. We need to be anti-Israeli. And it was an incredibly moving thing to hear from him. So I recommend people to go check him out. Anyway, they don't name him. They don't identify him on the screen. So far as I know.

But that it is good to know and definitely look him up. This is Vivi Chen, another American who volunteered with one of the organization that recruits foreigners to stand with the Palestinians. So we come here to try and stand in solidarity with them to try and use, you know, what privilege we have with our passports. The White House has said it's deeply disturbed by Ege's death and her family has called for an independent investigation. How disturbed are they? I mean, pretty deeply. Not disturbed enough to have an independent investigation. Not disturbed enough for Biden to call the parents of the American citizen who was killed.

But the problem, Katie, is that how can they do that? I mean, they're disturbed, but they're too heartbroken to act on the disturbance. Yeah, you can't expect emotional labor of someone who's just experienced something that they're deeply concerned about. Because as they always say, as Kamala said at the DNC, as Patel, fucking Patel. said I see Matt going for the clip oh yeah yeah damn it I didn't do it fast enough

I just bring it out you Patel All right there I go Patel As you know It's always heartbreaking When a generic non-specific human being Loses their life For God knows what reason

Well it's almost like a net The way they present it when it's an Israeli criminal An Israeli murder Is it's almost like a national disaster. Right. Yeah. How can this have been avoided?

You know, yeah. It's just like, damn, man. I really hope the Israeli police deal with themselves. Right. They're so good at that. They're so self-flagellating. Yeah. And just in terms of, you know, how exactly the, you know, horrors at the State Department

are dealing with this, it is not too far off from. what you've been saying, Daniel, and Katie. Here's a press conference that Patel himself was giving just today. So there are actual eyewitnesses. That's so exactly what happened. And shout outside. I don't know. He's a boss.

He should have him on. Yeah. Absolutely. Hell yeah. Maybe there's some entity or some other person that have fired the shot other than an Israeli shoulder. Zaid, I think you and other colleagues, of course, this is your briefing.

You can ask as many questions as you would like. You can ask the same questions as many time if you would like. That's not going to change my answer, which is that one, around the specifics of what transpired, important work is continuing to being done to ascertain what exactly happened. And we are going to let that process play out. As I've said, as it relates to making

those findings public, we expect that to happen as soon as possible. I hate to have a bullet transpire through my head, says Adam Levin. There's a great kids in the hall skit about the word ascertain in which a guy is called into the foreman's office at a factory and saying, and he's just, what seems to be the problem, sir? As well, there's been complaints about you on the floor from your coworkers, yeah. They say you're being very difficult to work with. well, what do you ascertained the problem to be?

He said, see, that's the problem right there. You keep using the word. Oh, my God, that's so great. I can't stand. I have a friend who uses that term word all the time. I'm like, there's literally never a time. You need to use that word. It's never okay.

I've never needed to ascertain anything. Rarely in writing. It's almost always find out. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or determine at the utmost formality, right? So anytime you hear someone using that word, as I think is all brilliantly into it.

It's fucking bullshit. And there should be slapped. And Will Meneker had a great, great tweet about this. I've got it here. Hold on a second. He says, the sum, he's talking about Patel. The sum total of my politics is increasingly anything that will result in this butterball being kept in a dog crate for the rest of his wretched natural life.

I would love to create like a dog that needs a home. Like I'll make that dog and put Patel. hell in there. We need a kennel for White House and State Department spokespeople. Oh my God. Him and Matthew Miller forget about it. Oh, my God. And John Kirby. Yes, all of them. He's actually the worst. He's the worst. Yeah, they're all

freaks, though. Like, you know, they just He's always like this, Kirby. Yeah, what the whoa. Wow, that is wild. How do you make your face do that? You're doing a live filter. That was crazy good. We expect that process to be thorough, transparent, and to be as robust as it can be. Oh, robust as it can be. Are you going to ascertain how robust it will be?

They're going to ascertain the robustness. And if that ass is good, they go on bust. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm just not going to speculate from up here what happened or why or any of the reasonings. I, as I said, it makes it sound like he's being a conspiracy. They're so gaslight.

They make it sound like Saeed asking a totally back-based question is like a conspiracy theorist. Right. Unreasonable. Asking him to speculate from up here. Like, no, we're not asking you. There are people on the ground who can ascertain this. And then you communicate it because you work for the State Department. You're not an investigator.

Well, it's just such a like, it's a complete dereliction of doing. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, at least that's kind of at best you could call it. call it a dereliction duty to unquestionally take anything that the IDF or the Israeli government says at face value. I mean, actually, it's a performance of duty. It's a performance of duty. It is literally their duty.

That's the job. And, you know, so, you know, later in another part of that very same press conference, someone says, well, you know, as soon as the American Israeli hostage, Hirsch, I forget. Goldberg, Pauline. Yeah, was found dead. It was immediately Hamas has murdered this boy. And he's an American hero. Hamas has blood on his hands.

Hamas has blood on his hands. And they called his parents. Of course, they had also invited his parents to speak at the DNC. Yes. And the other thing that's so, I mean, discussing about that is it's not just the double standard, which is clear. But like, I'm always, I'm not shocked. But like, we know these people see Palestinians as subhuman. But what sometimes shocks me is that.

that they don't really even care about saving the lives. Like, they had one job, which is like to care about Jewish lives, and they don't even care about those. I mean, we know that about Netanyahu. But like, you had one racist job and you didn't even do it. You had one genocidal job. Yeah. You had one ethnic, ethnic, chauvinist supremacist, genocidal job.

Yeah. And you couldn't even do that. But that's the logic of the Hannibal work. Noctrine, yeah. Like, that's what it's because it's not actually about Jewish lives. It's about the machinery of... The Misha-Gas machinery. The Mishagas machinery.

The Mishagas, yeah. Yeah. Mishagosery. But that's the other thing. It's like, someone was saying this the other day, my friend was like, it really is terrible that it makes me... I mean, Hirsch was in the IDF, right? Right.

We'll call that problematic. It's very different for someone who's in the IDF to be killed. I'm not happy that he was killed, obviously, but it's like... It's so hard to maintain your humanity because when you see people mourn his death and not give a shit at all about a Palestinian or even about an American, then I get like, it's like, it makes me so much more callous about other, like, I'm like, I don't say this really, but it turns me into a not very nice human being about like the Israeli killed. Yeah, Nora Barrow's treatment said this last week. what happens when you're living there. Like, why would these people have any, any empathy?

I'm a Jew in the United States, and I see that, and I'm like, enough, enough. I don't want to hear about this kid anymore. I'm just being honest. No, 100%. And you're not alone on that. Like, how do these people think this is going to end? Right. They don't care.

They don't care. Well, this is the general problem between the way in which Israel is perceived around the world by regular people in the way that it's portrayed by itself, its PR machine, and the American and Western government's PR machines. Is there there such a disconnect that what ends up happening is like not dissimilar from after the seventh

in which there were people who were like, you know, they were like, oh man, people were like in the streets and they were celebrating this. And I was like, do you know what people see of Israelis? Like, do you know what, people know about Israelis because your personal experience with Israelis aside is not the general

population's view of Israelis. The general population, at least the people who are out there who have known about what Israel is and as an apartheid state and as a genocidal entity as a sick racist society, the videos and images that they've been subjected to of Israelis before the was pretty much a racist society doing racist and awful things and imprisoning 2.2 million people in Gaza. Right. So for them to, you know, be celebrating, you know, it's not to forgive people for, like, callousness if they were, in fact, being callous about the deaths. But I give a little more grace to people who didn't know the death toll. Inmates all over the world celebrated the Attica uprising.

Yes. And also, like, less to anyone had any doubts about the, you know, it's, some people still say this. It's like, it's not Israelis. It's the Israeli government or it's just Netanyahu. And we know that's not true, the Netanyahu thing. But, like, sorry, we really need to talk about the fact that this is a society that spontaneously broke into protests in defense of the right to rape. Like, this is not like any other country that has a bad government and a bad government. bad military. There's something pathological about that and that you have people

gang raping prisoners, then you have people celebrating the right to do that or protesting for the right to do that, protesting the attempted, attempted accountability of those people, right? It broke into riots when they dared detain some of the rapists. Then you have a member of the Knesset saying out loud during like a video, you know, a reported session of Knesset saying that it's legitimate to do that. Like, this is not just a society that has a problematic political structure. Yes, and you know, you could say, okay, well, the riots broke out in the right-wing sector of the society, which is most of the society, but still, okay, well, let's look at the proportion of society that dares to protest the policy. Let's look at the sector of the society that was out in force in the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem streets, maybe 100,000 people.

Now, were some of them genuine justice peace? Sure, of course. existence people. I saw people with signs saying end the genocide. Okay. So that was there. But here's what else was there. So this is a billboard in Tel Aviv and it's a new campaign by those demonstrating against Netanyahu. It's in Hebrew. There's two images side by side. On the right, so we'll go right to left because we're reading it in Hebrew, right? On the right, it's a picture of a young, blonde, white-ass girl. I'd be very shocked if she was even Ashkenazi, but maybe she's an Ascanazi white girl,

embracing her mother who's hugging her, and the caption at the bottom in Hebrew says, bringing back, as in bring them back, right? And on the left, there's an Israeli Merkava tank blowing something to smithereens, and the word says, Vechozoim, which means and returning.

Basically, so bringing them back and then going back. let's get them out of there and let's go back and finish the job right now that is a major trench of the so-called anti-war movement in israel right yeah and these are like the tel way around that like these are the people that the right wing will scorn as well you know you televivists out there with your you know left-wing policies and whatnot it's like man you like people i think vastly vastly underestimate the sickness within israeli society that in which the reality that they live in, the bubble that they live in,

that it has been fed to them since birth, allows them to live in this complete conundrum in which they are just, it allows them to live as fascists while thinking they are fighting fascists. It is totally sickening and it is abusive in a way that I'm just like, you know, again, without putting it next to the suffering of Palestinians,

it's just like, it's a whole ass country that abuses Jews. That's what Israel is. It's a whole country that is convinced Jewish people that whatever they do is justified against this enemy. And therefore, they can act as cruelly as they want to. And for anyone to speak out against that, to them means that they are speaking for the genocide of Jews. Absolute madness, which is why we have to be appreciative. I don't know if we're going to move on now or want to finish that press conference because Patel said some wild shit.

But we have to be appreciative when some Israelis, especially English-speaking ones, are willing to come out and just say just that and kind of just be like, look, sorry, love us or leave us. But yeah, it's nice. It's nice. We're going to talk about some of those guys. We already have, but we're going to come back to them. Yeah, no. I mean, I, I'm, uh, it really is just like nice when they do it in English. Right. They usually don't. Right. Thank you. Yeah. Because I, you know, in one of the, uh, videos that I remember seeing a few years ago, and I think it was during the, like, shikjura, like, uh, you know, evictions, quote unquote, uh, of this, you know, neighborhood in, and the West Bank. I believe it was related to that. But it was related to that, but it was. It was a video of a settler who said something like, if I don't steal this land, someone else is going to do it. Yeah. And this was, it was very clear that the woman speaking to this guy knows him.

Yeah. They're on a first name basis. And it was like one of the rare English videos. Because he's like in Brooklyn. Yeah. And showing this kind of behavior. And, you know, it's, this is what people see when it comes to, you know, Israelis and Israeli society.

So when someone feels no empathy for things that happen to people who may, you know, not have deserved it, you know, like, may not have deserved to be kidnapped. Yes. It's just, it's just, it's hard for me to be like. Israeli peace activist, yeah. Israeli Canadian from Winnipeg. Yeah. And deeply connected to Palestinians both in the occupied territories. and within 48 Israel

was eulogized by a Palestinian friend of hers at her funeral and paid the price for her governments selling out of her but also for the long-term cost of the oppression she was trying to do at least I don't know what her activism looked like and some people might say

oh she's co-existence incorporated whoever I have no idea but this is someone who had love in her heart and justice this, you know, inner soul. Yeah. And, and, you know, on side note, but I, personally, um, my opinions on the kind of way in which people tend to,

um, parse and factionalize within this movement, uh, is just like, I just generally ignore the criticisms. Unless they are, you know, a Zionist, unless they are spouting up Zionist talking points. I don't, I don't care about, you know, their, whatever their relationship is to a, uh, um, a two state. solution or whatever, you know, like, I think they're wrong, but if they are someone who speaks earnestly and honestly about, you know, the genocide, then I'm like, I really don't care.

And that doesn't mean there aren't interesting and worthwhile things to understand. Oh, and it's a critique about him too. And we had when we had Noam Schuster on, right, who grew up in Neves Shalom, which her phone auto-corrected says, never-shalom, which is very funny. Nebeth-Shalom? Never-shalom. No, I know. Nevis-Shal-Lom.

That would be the, yeah. That's the name of my house. Nevischelam. Yeah, she talked about the, the coexistence industrial complex, right? Yeah, yeah. There's plenty of critique to go around. Yeah, but never feel. That's a difference from being a bloodthirsty eliminationist.

Yes, yes. Yeah, and not recognizing genuine work and risk-taking when it exists. And I think one thing people sometimes don't get, and I understand them not getting it, not wanting to, but I'm going to say it anyway, it takes something to be, that you could say she's born in Canada. She should go back to Canada. Okay, you can make that case. But it takes something to live in that place and oppose the fundamental structure of the occupation and try to build bridges that'll lead to justice and freedom and some kind of change. It's a real risk. The Israeli people I know there say, we're living in Nazi Germany. And I respect. could say, well, leave, this is a whole other conversation. We can have it another time. But you get what we're saying. Nuances, but without nuance trolling. I think that's where right.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Anyone doing an attempt to factionalize can suck a dick. And I will continue this press conference. So there are actual, that's fine. I just want to take you back. And again, I just want to reiterate again that we are working closely to ascertain the facts,

but there is not. There's a state department-led investigation that is going on. By the way, can I just say something that makes this like that much richer and more disgusting? Saeed Erichot himself had a cousin killed by the Israelis. And not only was he killed and it was, you know, obviously at the very, the most terrible cases, it was a mistake. But they pretended that he was a security risk or something, a security threat, which he wasn't they haven't returned his body wow because that's another thing that a really healthy

society does it holds on to the bodies to the corpses of the people it kills yeah yeah or destroys uh evidence uh yeah and this is i mean just it's just like the dehumanization of you know like there's no i mean this happens in colonialism but to some extent it's different layers of this but it's just it's like it doesn't matter that this guy has connections in the United States, lives in Washington, D.C., is a journalist, knows powerful people, like, they don't care. They're still going to keep that guy's body, his cousin's body. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's literally there speaking to the mouthpiece of the State Department. And, like, just there's a certain amount of, I don't know, I mean, the, the, the arrogance of the Israeli government when it comes to this kind of shit. it is really hard it makes it really hard not to be like I don't really care what happens to you guys I hope something bad because you're just like

how can you can only like strut around for so long going like I'm invincible before someone wants to just hit you on the head with a two by four you know what I mean you're you are literally you are literally daring people

to hit you in the head with a two by four and then like playing claiming to be the victim. After you've, like, bulldozed their entire neighborhood. Yeah. Because the record, Vedant, is really quite abysmal. And when it comes to Israeli investigating, Israel investigating itself on the killing of American.

I mean, I can take you back to March 16, 2003, when Rachel Corey, a Jewish American, was killed by a bulldozer, you know, in plain sight of everybody. No, I don't think she was Jewish. No, I don't think she was Jewish. No. She was. Yeah.

Grades only came back with an answer in 2012. And it was just like, you know, I mean, none, nothing there answer kind of a thing. And we saw this happen with Omar Assad. We saw this happen between the Baklan, when it was killed. It would have been funny if they were like, she wasn't Jewish, which is why we didn't do anything about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's Patel sort of answer. No, no, no, no.

She wasn't Jewish. Yeah, or also our response would have been different. Yeah. Game set match. You guys came out on July 4th, 2022, on a holiday, and you said that the intention was not there. So, what is there, what guarantee do we have that this investigation, this particular investigation, that saw the murder of a 26-year-old American, Aisha Nour Egy, so we saw her murder. Everybody, you know, there are a lot of accounts and so on.

What guarantee do you have that this will be carried out, the investigation will be carried out? thoroughly, fairly, transparently, and would lead to the probable result. As far as you're concerned, I'm not going to, I'm not going to color any of these findings until we see them. So I will just leave it at that. And not going to get ahead of the process here. Do we have, I mean, I'm sorry, but let me just, do we have any evidence from the past that Israel actually comes through on these investigations? You know, I feel like he's forgotten that like trying to look into. the past and put that into context

is inherently anti-semitic. True. Yeah, I was triggered by that question. Yeah, I made too. Whoa, whoa, what do you mean the past? You mean the Holocaust? Right, you want to go back to the ghettos and the gas chambers? I got it. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you about the past. The IDF and the Israeli government speak to their own

accountability processes. I'm not going to get into that. But at every possible measure we raise, we reiterate the reminder to that civilian death need to be realized. They reiterate the reminder.

Yeah, you've got to reiterate that reminder. What forceful language. You got to reassess. Wow, the State Department has so much power and it's really wielding it. Some linguist needs to, we're going to remind them within an inch of their lives.

Some linguist needs to parse the syntax of what happens when these nervous spokespeople have to cover for Israeli crimes. Something incredible happens to English grammar. Yeah, just syntactically. Syntactically, if you actually should break down the literal transcript, maybe we'll do this just as an experiment.

Yeah. But, yeah, but almost AI ESL. Yeah. It's, they kind of like devolve into like sort of cop speak. You know, that's what ascertain is. It's just a, it's a cop word, you know. It's to make a guy with a, with a gun or with a power to do crimes feel a little bit more smart. Like kinetic situation and compromise to a permanent end.

Yes. We are kinetically ascertaining. Yeah. Exactly. But also when actions are being conducted in the West Bank, that it is critical and vital to peace and stability in the region, taking that moral and strategic imperative. Oh, my God, what a sentence. Critical and vital. That's one little clause, little meaningless clause of propaganda.

peace and stability in the region is another it's a word at this point peace and stability in the region it's just trademarked and then whatever the last fucking peace was hiss my ascertain you fuck when it comes to the Israeli killing of Americans

Americans that are being killed by Israel and their family they feel that these Americans are the children of the lesser God because Israel is committing the crime Israel is committing the murder is that true It's not I'm not sure I fully

understand your question Yeah Because he used the quote I'm sure I fully ascertain the meaning Behind your questions I have not seen that William Hurt Marley Matlin's film Children of Lesser God

And I believe it's about the deaf And that's ablest of you I'm not I'm too young for 80s critically acclaimed cinema American And then let's say when Israel commits, it is really the identity of the killer rather than the identity of the killed, so to speak. So again, I'm not sure I fully comprehend what you're asking, but let me just be pretty clear about this.

Yeah, let's be clear. In this context, in any context, to this government, to this State Department, an American citizen is an American citizen. Dude, that is so real. How can he say that? is an America. Can you say that? A holder is a blue passport holder. Whether they are a Palestinian American citizen, a Turkish American citizen, an Israeli American citizen,

the front part of that, the front part of that that nomenclature is not nearly as important to us as the second half. That's right. It's less that he's a bat. It's less that he's a bat and it's more that he's a man. We don't care what's in front. If you turn that thing around and work it, back in, baby got back end. He's trying to like stall by making this about another issue, which is like, which is also important and significant, which is how much like this, this woman's Turkish dual citizenship was played up by the media. That's like a whole different conversation.

Sure. But the perpetrators. Exactly. Saeed is not talking about the victims. He's making it very clear that the identity he's looking at is. The perpetrators, not the victims. And he's like, let me talk about the Americans. Let me break down the ethnicity of the victims and how little we care.

But it's also like, I know it's the State Department, so it's their job. But it is sometimes scary how like just like nationalistic and tribal. We all are like, I completely agree. I completely agree. Like, can you believe it? You can't do that to an American. And it's just like if they're from any other country, you kind of sort of can do that to anyone. I do have to say, though, for Patel, that.

the he really took him a while to get there but he's like the front part of that formula but it was but it was a good it was pretty good it was a pretty good impulse and like pretty poetic for him and like the color of the passport

like it was like of course I have a Canadian passport as Aaron as you could get yeah yeah I but my my passport's exactly the same color I'm from Canada oh right he's gonna have to rework that then it's completely meaningless that sentiment the sentiment with regards of the conversation right is it's

cute, it's just like, listen, I don't care, I don't care what it says at the front, you know, doesn't matter that you're a bat or a man. It doesn't matter that you're super, you're a girl. You know, it's like, this is this is just like, it's what's inside that counts. It's what's in, we don't care

if she was an American who harbored genocidal anti-Semitic views. We don't care if she was a left-wing radical. Her blood runs American. Yeah, that's right. Oh, God. And it's just like, it's just You know, here's the thing.

His job, I remember early on thinking like, oh, man, watching this guy struggle. I was like, what a shit job to have. He's been doing it now for long enough that I'm like. No more sympathy. No more sympathy. Yeah, this is where you quit. Yeah. If you can't, if you can't sleep at night, quit.

You've got the money. You can go into the private sector and screw over American people in a thousand other ways. Well, the gentleman. the rest of Al Pacino's somewhat racist monologue. He said, yes. The god Shiva came down himself and told this guy to quit the State Department. He wouldn't quit. And the god Vishnu too

into the bargain. Fuck you, John. Patel! I just... Fucking Patel! One more time just for the fun of the performance. Oh, oh, oh. Patel? Ravadam Patel. How am I going to make a living on these deadbeats?

Where'd you get this from? Uh, before we get out of here, I, uh, let's do a quick update on our boys. And I just do one thing before we get this thing, which is like, not to be a downer, but what's so sad about this is, you know, we always like to say, like, we're going to speak truth to power and, like, no Israeli, like, bullying and violence can stop us. But the truth is, like, it does. Like, you, I'm not going to go there. Like, I, I would use my American privilege. I happily. Oh, you're not going to go to the West Bank, you mean. Yeah. Like, I don't mean to be. That's like, cowardly, maybe I shouldn't say that out loud.

No, no, no, no. It's like a suicide mission. No, I understand. I've had Palestinian friends tell me don't come right now. Yeah. Which is not to say people shouldn't go. Some people are choosing to go. And that woman went and she's making a difference with what she did.

Anyone who goes to me is an actual hero. Yeah. So is Aaron Bushnell. Yes, I agree. You know, it's interesting. In December, I was talking to somebody who works over at an NGO over in, or I don't know, an organization in Israel in which they, essentially the job is like, let's get some Americans over here and have them kind of like sit in and live with a Palestinian family, sort of as protection because the settlers a little bit more wary about like. messing with, you know, someone when they see, like, an American especially, or if they see someone who's Jewish or someone who's just not of some Palestinian family. And I remember I was

asking, I was like, this sounds good. It sounds kind of dangerous, right? And she was like, you know, honestly, it's not that dangerous. Like, there are, there's violence that can happen, you know, so that is something you do have to be careful. It can be a little. bit dangerous but it's not she was like well i you know i've never um known who we've we've brought over has ever you know been like badly injured and the amount that that has changed since i was talking to this person in i think December um is just like it's it's insane it's just completely now it is clearly so much more dangerous because we had a a society of right wing settlers who are completely 100% backed by the state and they feel so they have chutzpah they have the most

chutzpah and they they do not they do not give a fuck so at this point i think uh you know i understand why you'd be like fuck no i'm not i'm not doing that um and i you know i can't judge you for that before we get out of here we got to talk about um our nemesis podcast the two uh two nice jewish boys who we talked about last week who essentially their content was found out by the rest of the world in which in English they described how in Israel they all really wish they had a button that they could press that would kill all of the Palestinians or get get rid of them or whatever you know euphemism that they used. Oh, kill them.

Yeah, wipe them out, wipe them out. wipe them out and and in um this kind of being so widely spread and people being like what the hell the reaction has been very interesting because a lot of people obviously who are pro-Palestinian were like this is fucking disgraceful and also a lot of liberal Zionists were just like oh this does not represent us or our society that's not my America they essentially said which is so funny because the guy's whole point is this represents the society. Yeah, it was so great.

Yeah, exactly. Saying this is Israel is not Israel. Right. And so they kind of started sort of a PR offensive in which they try to explain themselves, so to speak, has bar themselves,

lehas beer themselves. Hey, well done. And so, I have just a tweet that they wrote a very long one that is their best attempt to explain what they meant

by this out of context clip and let me read it for you right here there's quite a bit of chatter going on about some of the comments made on the podcast recently. Passive voice we want to

properly address that firstly the video circulating was taking entirely out of context. You really need a lot of context, guys, when you're saying when you want to murder. Like the only context that would just justify that

would be like, isn't it so terrible that? Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah. They're like totally unapologetic about the fact that. Or there's a, or if it begins with, all right, guys, I'm going to do a bit in which I pretend to be the worst motherfucker whoever existed. Like Mike Racine did. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. Shout out to Microsine. Very funny video he put out. In the original recording, we made it very clear that we did not call for the genocide of the Palestinians. We were making a larger point about the fact that most Jewish Israelis do not care about the cost of civilian casualties on the Palestinian side required in order to secure the Jewish homeland. Okay, pause. Two things. Number one, put the back up, please. I need to parse that. All right. So number one, You were making a larger point about the fact that most Jewish Israelis do not care about the cost and civilian casualties, including you.

You absolutely started from you, and then you said, you know what? I think most Israelis would agree with me, okay? Number one. Number two, you're going to have to explain to me how not caring about the cost and civilian casualties on the Palestinian side is different than advocating a genocide or being okay with it. Well, you could be genocide neutral. You could be like not near. To be fair, I mean, it's so.

I'm not doing the Holocaust. I just don't think it's, I don't think it's one way or another about that. No, I'm okay with the genocide. I'm just not calling, I'm not calling for it, but I'm okay with it. It makes me a good Israeli, so to speak. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. To coin a phrase.

And you're like an unenthusiastic genocidal. Right, exactly. Which is maybe why we say anti-Zionist instead of non-Zionist at this point. Exactly. Coming from a circle, yeah. Let's see. Within that context. Within that context, very important context.

But also, can I point out one more thing? Please. I like to put it back up there. Sorry. That most Jewish Israelis do not care about the cost and civilian casualties on the Palestinian side required in order to secure the Jewish homeland. So they're trying to sneak in major Husbarra, which is that this genocide is self-defense. Right, exactly.

And that it is indeed required to kill the amount of civilians that they've killed. Any amount of civilians killed is the amount required in order to secure the... Jewish homeland. It's been scientifically proven. Yeah. It's certainly been proven that with every Palestinian civilian that dies, the Jewish homeland, quote unquote,

gets more and more secure. Every day. And that's why we're all acting like fucking bat shit lunatics. That's why we're all normal. So within that context, we entertained a hypothetical situation. Entertained a hypothetical situation

that would rid Israel of the imminent threat posed by our Palestinian enemies who overwhelmingly support Hamas and wish to kill us all and would gladly go for another October 7th the moment they get their chance. Obviously, that button doesn't exist. We know that.

That's the funniest explanation of being like, you guys, there isn't actually a genocide button. It's like, yeah, we know. I mean, they do have a nuclear bomb, but that's true they do have a genocide button let's not tell them that once they realize they have that button

it's gonna be bad news that's like some dude it's like Andrew Tate saying dude if they could invent a pill that would keep my dick hard for 36 years now it's sounding like a Kendrick Lamar leic right 72 hours

so like yeah then I would go out and forcibly have sex with every woman in my town guys don't worry they don't that doesn't exist and it's not not going to exist at least for the next couple of years.

Yeah. Just the idea that they have to explain to people or they think in any way this absolves them of being like the button not real. Right. Right. Guys, button not even real. I can't even do what I want to do. Yeah.

And I'm not even saying I want to do it. I'm saying I would like to. Right. All I'm trying to say is that if there was a button. But I'm not advocating it as a policy. Right. Because they couldn't do it. I'm cool with it.

I would never. It was actually, that was my stick with Alon Levy when I said, baby, when I said I would gladly see you hang at Nuremberg, I'm not a trained hangman. No, I can't even do it. Because he said I was threatening his life. Yeah, right. I'm not threatening your life. Oh, yeah. But it was a conscious troll.

No, man, listen, if there were a button, I'm saying, yes, press it, die, die, die. There isn't a button, so I just have to live knowing that there's not a button. Right. And hopefully there's something similar to. there. Yes. I don't understand why I'm bad guy just because I wish there was button that killed everybody. Obviously, I can't support a policy that's impossible. Yes. We're pragmatists. Exactly. We are the world's only democracy, which is why I believe that we should vote on there being a button made in which it kills all the guys. Okay. We, when having to consider. Jesus Christ, the girth of this fucking, I counted it. It's 631 words.

long. It's too many words. When having to consider how to deal with the Palestinians in reality, things are more complex and nuance, but that doesn't change to the fact that when on the scale, the fact that when on the scale are our lives and safety, or

when on the scale are our lives and safety or the, quote, lives of our enemies. In this scenario, most Israelis do not care about the cost and civilian casualties in Gaza as long as the main objective is achieved, eliminating the threat for good.

Katie, I'm watching your body language as you watch it. Like, you're the ESL teacher who's like, and the student has brought this in that's like a draft tweet and you're like, okay, right, you're doing, you're doing it. And you could have switched the wording there. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. I mean, I could take a red pen some of this, but I won't out of respect.

No red lines. No red lines. No red lines. Do what you've got to do. What everyone who's losing it seems to forget is that less than a year ago, thousands of Palestinians invaded Israel and raped, murdered and burned are alive, countless women, children, babies, elderly. Countless is true.

Countless is true. That's just the one honest thing. We can't even count them. Elderly and kidnap hundreds of hostages. First of all, no one's forgetting that. You've literally not stopped talking about it as a, yes, this has been your justification for a year. So, stop. Wait, what's October 7th?

What, October what? I've never heard of it. It's my daughter's birthday. There you go. Their ultimate goal was to conquer large parts of Israel and kill everyone. No, it wasn't. Their only reason they failed to do that was our brave soldiers, cops, civilians. No, not true at all.

Sacrously sacrificed their lives. They did, you know what? A lot of them did sacrifice their lives, but they didn't know it so that we can be here today. We owe it to them to do everything, and we mean everything so that in this imminent, so that this imminent threat from Gaza will never show its ugly face again. I mean, the absolute gall to try to play the victim after you've been a cheerleader publicly and in English for genocide, and then you're making it seem like to say anything less than that would be taking, you know, the memory of our killed in vain. Like, they're really making it seem like we should feel guilty about being upset about their

cheerleading for genocide. Didn't you hear about the, there was a victim on one of the people would seem? I forget which one. but as she uttered this is so dark as she uttered her dying and it's not true as she uttered her dying words

her dying breath she said she whispered she looked like an angel right a sexually abused angel and as she whispered into the ear of the Zaka volunteer who was making up the story on the fly as he went along

she said don't forget to tell them about the button Thank you for bringing that. The story of Ben Yamin Button. Oh, my God, that's good. The curious case of Benjamine Button. Thank you, yeah, curious case.

Oh, beautiful. Anyways, the thing goes on and on, and I just quote tweeted it, and I just wrote, ain't reading all that, free palestine.jpg. Because I ain't reading all that. And I love that so much. Yes.

That I wrote a song about it. You want to hear it? Here it goes. Song, song, song. I love it. You just had the guitar next to you the whole time. I brought it with me on the road trip. Yeah, yeah.

So I wrote this this morning. Oh, beautiful. Some of it on the toilet. Oh, good. And some of them all hiking a lake in the Rocky Mountains. Beautiful. All right. Let's do it.

So shout out to Tom Petty. We're approaching the seven-year anniversary of his death. I've always underrated Tom Petty. I think he's just a great songwriter. Yeah, he's great stuff Yeah, great stuff. All right. Learning to fly, but I ain't got a button. I was scrolling my Twitter feed,

so you saw you wrote a lengthy screed, claiming you were misunderstood when you said Israelis would push a button to kill them all, all that I could type was lull. 631 words, you psychopathic nerds, ain't reading all that, ain't reading all that,

You're two nice Jewish boys But I ain't reading all that You cite an opinion poll But you only dig your whole Because it just shows your state Is full of rage and hate The people you ethnic clans You see through a Nazi lens

You'd happily watch them die While singing on Israel high Ain't reading all that Ain't reading all that I love nice Jewish boys But I ain't reading all that And then the bridge Which I think I know how it goes.

Because everyone heard you. You spoke very clearly. You get up on Palestinian pain. And nothing was twisted or taken out of context. The context is you're fucking insane. Listen, buddies, can't you see? You're so fucking Israeli. You think explaining yourself is somehow going to help.

Don't let it hurt your body. pride just admit you on genocide and if you really want to flap your jaw come on bad hasbarah ain't reading all that ain't reading all that go read it to your unit i ain't reading all that we're reading all that we ain't reading all that you must think we're my sugar if you think we're reading all that nice oh my god that was beautiful oh my child My child Is she there? Yeah

She's showing herself So cute Is it time to wrap Yeah It's time to wrap? What's her name? Her name's Karina She looks just like Matt

She looks just like Matt Also sort of like Francesca She looks a lot like Matt She's so cute How old is she? Oh no She's almost too Karina can you say hi

Hi Hi Oh my God Yeah that's my Okay well She's so cute that's that was a beautiful no no no don't touch don't touch i love you but don't ever touch oh my god she's really cute she looks like a real combo of you guys

yeah she's raised between it's beautiful go up go up have fun well that's been our podcast it's katie helper thank you so much for coming on thank you thanks for having me we got to do another musical collaboration daniel oh yeah we absolutely do folks if you haven't checked out our uh our song that we did to the tune of Starships and nothing's going to stop us now with Beebe and Biden. Go check it out on YouTube. That's great. Dan did a great, great BB. It was fantastic. And Michael McRae did a great Biden. I loved it. And so everyone checked that out. And everyone, please watch the show,

Katie Halper's show and useful idiots and look out for that documentary. Yeah. And follow Katie wherever you. And it's really encouraging. I got to say, I'm just going to say one thing. It's so nice, given that Israel and Zionism. I mean, Israel and Jewish supremacists weaponize the Holocaust so much. It's so nice to be talking to people who actually survive the Holocaust, for whom the lesson is not never again for Jews, but never again for anyone. And these people don't want their holocaust to be used to justify another one.

And next time we talk, you're going to have to tell us about the survivor named Capo. That's right. Oh, yeah. I want to hear all about that. Badhasbaratjima.g.m.com. Patreon.com slash badhasbara. And all right, everyone, thanks again so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea.

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