Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 51: Kapo Trap House, with Felix Biederman

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by Felix Biederman of Chapo Trap House to survey the grooming proclivities of Israel’s freelance hacks, the problem with the Dutch, and the suburban Chicago dad’s threshold for declaring something “Our 9/11.”Please donate to the Palestine Children’s Relief Fund: https://www.pcrf.net/Listen to Chapo Trap House at https://www.chapotraphouse.com/Subscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify Apple PodcastsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Zabrahamaas. As far as us. Hey! What up, everyone? Welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral podcast. Mm, yes, I am your most moral co-host, Matt Lieb, and with me, as always, I'm Daniel Mate. I got a pink rose. You got a rose? Just for the look and for the odor. Did you get it specifically for the podcast intro, or was it just sitting on your desk? No, I was here for other reasons. Oh, okay.

But I just thought it would be a nice visual, you know? Yeah, no, it looks good. You've got to start an episode with Optimus of Sweetness. Yeah, yeah. It looks like it smells sweet. How are you doing? I saw you recently. You did.

I was in New York for a couple days. I did a stand-up show with, it was like a Jewish currents put on an event with a bunch of like. Yeah, not to be confused with Jewish Chronicle. Yeah, no, Jewish Chronicle, very different. and we will be talking about the Jewish Chronicle. But no, this is like the more left-wing side of Jewish institutional media. Jewish currents, which I believe is like, I don't actually know how long it's been around, but they were doing a bunch of panels, like a fundraising type of event,

and then they had a stand-up show. And it was a lot of fun. I made it by the skin of my teeth because I got a fucking kidney stuff. passed through my shit and that was the most one of the most painful things in my life it was crazy I really I really barely made it to that comedy show but I told the doctor I was like I got to do five minutes at a old synagogue that was converted to an art space and was definitely not made with like stand-up comedy audio in mind or any kind of live performance event in mind it was it was meant for fucking bar mitzvahs. It was meant for the readings of Haftorahs. It was not, I mean, you,

you capped off today. I was at a lot of those panels. I saw Nora Erichot on an all-Palestinian panel. Yeah. It was really amazing. I saw, uh, it was a very striking experience. There was a panel first of four Jewish people, show him the guide, Ariela, Aisha Azulai, Rabbi Alyssa Weiss, of rabbis for Seasfire and, um, and, you know, and all these people are reasonably anti-Zionist, or at least want to call themselves counter Zionist or post-Zionist or whatever at the farthest fringe. But they were disagreeing on a lot of things

on the Jewish panel and there wasn't much of a sense of like a shared I don't know, it was weird. Ideology or outlook? Not just ideology or outlook, but the comparison I'm making is that going to the Palestinian panel next, five Palestinians, very different outlooks

on what should happen next. But I really did have the sense that I was listening to five, individuals from the same people like from an actual people from a nation that come from a place with a shared history you know when you have

a Mizrahi Jewish anti-Zionist and a rabbi who is Ashkenazi American and a Hebrew scholar and whatnot from Jerusalem whose polyvics are a little bit unclear I just didn't it was just a strong I couldn't quite put my finger on it

but I just the notion of a Jewish Jewish people. Yeah. As I'm sitting there, I'm not feeling like I'm watching representatives of a people. I'm watching representative of people who have four very different ideas of what an idea means. And the idea is called being Jewish. It kind of feels like you're saying that I as a Ukrainian Jew am not from the Middle East, which I don't know if you know this, but that's straight up racist. Yeah. Well, what I'm saying is that it's possible, Matt, that you and I just have absolutely nothing in common except that we love to make dick jokes and puns about the Jewish state. Yeah.

We might not even, what are Jews anyway? What are we is what I'm saying? All the anti-Semites on Twitter are right. What the fuck is a Jew? Yeah. I got thrown into total chaos at Jewish currents. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was a great event.

It sounds like a great event, but also, yes, I think one of the premises of the show is looking at Israelis and going, this is a different thing. this is not the same as just some fucking guy from new york uh was there a good nosh after uh i don't know i went around the corner and got matt some pizza from yeah you got me my first bit of food since passing a fucking stone shout out to producer adam levin who's in there uh you know he's gonna he's he's out here in these streets matt did kill it it was a great set man it was a lot of fun it was a good time people uh and give us five stars in review all that shit um and uh yeah comments on the on the Spotify uh patreon.com slash bad hasbara uh and then also uh once again

episode sponsored by and we will have new sponsors uh eventually uh by new sponsors I mean new charities that we look up but uh Palestinian Children's Relief Fund PCRF dot net go there and go ahead and donate please and then and then think about going on the Patreon and you know join and we're going to have some exclusive Patreon only episodes coming up shortly uh daniel what's a spin spin right now i got a few things on the on the turntable i got theodore bekele singing jewish folk songs oh sick you know my brand of judazy theatrical judaism yeah yeah the fucking best uh theater bekelle um just did some of the dan's first album which i've never really listened to but i hear is great and is that the one that has

psycho cocaine crazy that one i'm not sure it doesn't have chop suey on it right it's the one before toxicity yeah yeah but anyway there's something a little theatrical about that dude that guy surge tankian he just opened up a coffee shop like a block away from me there's a there's a system of a down lead singer coffee shop that i need to go to for sure i want to meet that guy so bad he's he's he's the coolest dude i've ever seen from my childhood i was just like i'm khan kian if you call him tankian he sounds like sounds like a tank it sounds like you're accusing him of working for my brother's outlet um in bad faith i'm doing uh i've got uh queen latifa nature of a sister beautiful i've got the dead canadies all right and finally last but not least you have too many fucking records bro

shah day villain the mf doom shoday mash up which is very cool sick well that's that's what's spinning yeah and that's what we're listening to and now it is time to introduce our guest most moral guests obviously for today's episode you might know him as the co-host of the podcast chapo trap house ladies and gentlemen everyone else welcome felix beaterman hello felix hey thank you guys for having me yeah thank you for coming on thanks dog How are you doing this fine, what is it, it's Wednesday? How you doing? Yeah, it's a Wednesday.

Not bad. I had to, there was some technical difficulties going into this episode because of Windows 11. I had to do the BIOS thing for anyone who has a Windows PC. I remember back in those days, but that's the blue screen where you're just like. No, it's a black screen now. But the way the BIOS works is they're like, do you want to boot your computer and you just do it until your computer works? I don't know how I've ever gotten out of it. I don't know how I've gotten into it ever.

But that's always seemed to work that I just keep doing it and it works. Just boot roulette. Just tell me that you didn't get your Windows 11 system, that the supply chain didn't go somehow through Tel Aviv. Yeah, dude. Because when you wrote to us and we're like, hey, I'm having some tech issues. I'm like, this is not the day I want to hear that our guest has tech issues. Yeah. No, no, these are like, these are.

regular the regular tech issues you have when you um you know when you when you install a bunch of weird DCS mods into your computer sure um DCS mods we know those we know what those are for yeah DCS is digital combat simulator and it is the the flight simulation thing i play and like uh well one of them i considered the premier experience it's the best flight simulator well a lot of people say the falcon bMS is the best and falcon bms certainly has some good uh advantages over dcs i don't think there's any one best i think they all provide their own experience but um i don't know i i just like do a lot of things to this computer so i can like uh you know i can i can fly a i can fly a plane that never existed imaginarily

and i think that's responsible for a lot of the problems have been having but it's fine i always get into work at the end of the day. Yeah, you always fly directly into work. I like that there's like, it's a really on the nose form of escapism where you're literally flying a virtual plane away from all your problems, you know what I mean?

Well, I have I have been looking up decommissioned fighter jets on websites that list them and they're like way cheaper than you would think. Hassan Piker actually showed me this TikTok of this kid who got a you know NASA has a bunch of F-16s that they used for research

they used three of the main American fourth-gen fighter jets for they modified them with thrust vectoring and like did all these things of like their ailerons and all these things so they had a ton of them and they're selling them and they're like sort of earlier F-16 models this kid got one for only $230,000 that's like fucking for a fight for an F-16 that's so cheap. Yeah.

That's bar mitzvah money just from your stepdad's side. Yeah. Yeah. God damn. So I am, I don't know. But then you got to like,

you got to put it somewhere, you know, you got to, what is it? You got to like rent a hangar. Yeah, I was talking to a boat guy about this. Because.

About where to put your plane. Well, no, just like, I will never be a boat guy. Sure. I don't, it's so much effort for something that like ultimately doesn't go that fast

and I think they're cool I think water skiing's fun you don't want to be one of America's beautiful boaters it's just it's so much work and like they're cool but like how many like it just you have to do so much shit and it's like ultimately it's the same thing

as like having gazebo but um you know I was talking to him because I um he was a guy who had a non-standard vehicle and wanted his input and he was like you my dad was in the you know navy aviators you'll need a crew of guys to work on that and I thought okay well there's fiber yeah like there's instructions for everything on YouTube like literally anything you could ever want to know there's like a nice Indian or Bangladeshi man who explains it completely yes

anything you could I guarantee right now I could figure out how to maintain an F-16. You can synthesize your own jet fuel, you know, in your bathroom in your kitchen. Matt, I do like your idea of a flight simulator of, like, flying away from your problems. And if someone could create, like, work with, like, do, yeah, work with psychotherapists or whatever to create a flight simulator where, like, your problems and your psychological issues and your traumas appear really close up at first. And then as you lift off, you see them from a different point of view and you can bomb them. You can do targeted strikes. on like your daddy issues

and fly away from your avoiding issues and you know I feel like there's I thought you were talking the 9-11 style suicide bombing of like your trauma you know that would be great too fly a fly a plane straight into your uh your attachment

complex yeah yeah I mean listen uh if anyone's gonna create that type of game uh who listens to this podcast I'm sure they're gonna do a other fun shit first rather than make that one. But that does sound like fun. But Felix, I wanted to ask you on the subject of Jew stuff, Zionism, yay or nay?

I think, you know, if Zionism was, let's say like either America never existed or otherwise like Zionism, it never. it never became a current in either of the globe expanding empire so that it became uh you know it caught currency in yeah if that never happened Zionism would be one of those weird tendencies that has like 30 followers right where it's it's like the favorite thing of Wikipedia deep divers and I think in and you know there would be no singular consensus over where the Jewish state would be or like what the kid there would be all these funny subcategories yeah it would be a weird a weird little cult that you would read about yeah like deep

Wikipedia yeah yeah I would still look I am just for like identity politics reasons yes please being against identity politics I would be against it but depending on how marginal it was I would probably see it the same way that I see a lot of other stuff where I'm like, well, it's kind of cute. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. It never would have harmed anybody in that case. It's 100%.

It would be one of those things. Except for those 30 guys who end up in the middle of the desert following some guy who's like, trust me, this is where we're living now. Yeah, but there's an element of agency in that storyline. Sure. I think there are always any, any, any, just extremely marginal political view, the people who got involved in that they were going to get involved in that or another one you know yeah no you're right certain type yeah 100% how is it i mean you don't mind if we out you as a

jew from the midwest no no one knew no one had any idea right sorry to blow up your spot no this is everyone's first time finding out we we don't need to get deep into this but it's just it's always curious to me to know how what i mean because what I had growing up was an anti-Zionist father who even though he sent me to a Zionist summer camp inoculated me in some ways kind of intellectually and and whatever against fully buying in whole hog just real quick Felix is that are you vaping is that the sound I'm yeah that's a babe sorry I just wanted to be sure that's what I was here I can do it farther away from the no no no no I like it in the mic it gives there's a flare to it I can see it in my head

but go on Daniel Maybe that's his secret That's what he's ingesting Is the serum The serum I'm just curious Sort of at what point in trajectory Because obviously if you're growing up

In was it Chicago Yeah I grew up in Surrounded by Jews There's certainly a lot of inducement To just join the general Zionist drift At what point do you remember Looking around you and being like Yeah no I don't think that's going to be for me

Well I like Okay so I My I've talked about this a few times on our show and on Twitter, but my dad had very like idiosyncratic political beliefs that I think are very

they were endemic to like the first wave of boomers and it was a consequence of like being able to identify several problems but like just for whatever reason being at the time that they grew up or you know

growing up in a uniquely prosperous time in American history or whatever, it avoids intersecting with like the, the usual like left-wing class analyses of these problems. So in some ways, the solutions to said problems are ridiculous or make no sense. And in some ways, they're very innovative. Some of the things my dad thought were the presidency should be one six-year term. and the prison gets killed when they're done. I love this.

And I think that's a great idea. That's a great idea. They get to choose the matter of their own death? No. That's voted on. That's an awesome idea. He had a few that were kind of. You know how much voter turnout you would get for that?

Oh, my God. He had a few that were like kind of half joking where he's like, John McCain's an insuring candidate for North Vietnam. But we deserve it for what we did. I love that. Yeah, like we America deserves this. He was in like after 9-11, I was so thankful for this. My parents, both of them, but like especially my dad with what a sort of prick he was about this stuff, not to us, but just like talking about it.

Inoculated us against that sort of like jingo American rah-rah shit that everyone else is, everyone else that I knew, all their friends, all their parents were doing. he like he on october 2001 this like sort of middling sub shop near our house close down and like hide park i think it's different now but like everything like all the restaurants there are really shitty i don't know why that was in case when it's growing up but he was like the bear has changed all that i don't know yeah but yeah he was like he was like this is our nine eleven this uh i this uh i i i um when i was a little kid i like very forcefully wanted to go to i didn't have the words to express this at the time but looking back i was consciously asking to go to a gentile summer camp with like guns and shit and i and my parents were like they

completely were like yeah absolutely and they let me go and it was great and but like i went to what the first camp i went to like that it closed down uh for financial reasons after the first summer i went when i was 10 my dad was like that's our 9-11 also when camp shawam again closed down that's the real 9-11 and he was like he was against invading afghanistan he had very courageous his stances yeah that were very unusual for like a you know an upper middle class like jewish attorney from chicago you know um so he didn't indoctrinate you with zionism no no one no one did no one did uh you know but my dad was not it's not a gabermatae sure uh he not had did not have like a fully searching for what the right

joke is to make i'm just going to let that one go yeah but like it did not have an art articulated, you know, anti-Zionism, but it was more like, you know, he armed you with irony. He armed you with a healthy distance from, right, right, journalism and doctrine and and dogma, right. So that, yeah, my, yeah, you could look askance at things, which I think is like, that's the true Jewish birthright as far as I'm concerned. But both my, my parents, like, incredibly funny and intelligent people who like gave me like a very wide birth as a little kid, like, Um, you know, they would do stuff. The youngest always gets like a wider birth in the older kids, but they would do stuff like, you know, I watched Terminator 2 when I was like five and my mom, dad spent, went to great lengths

to like explain the time travel mechanic and all this shit. And they really, I feel like they, they tried an experiment with me, which is just like, let me do whatever kind of within reason and like let, you know, let me watch R rated movies when I'm very young and all this shit. And it didn't look like it was going to work out until I was like 24, but then it did. So like, you know, it, but I, you know, neither of them, neither of them were like dedicated anti-Zinus or anything like that. But like, you know, it was stuff like, my brother and sister, every neighborhood with a ton

of Jewish people in it, there was like a JCC, right? Like I'm sure there was a JCC where you guys grew up. My brother and sister like had summer jobs there when they were like in high school and school and shit and they were describing like this what of this awful counselor there this israeli woman who was just like completely just nasty and like cruel to everyone for no reason and my dad this is my first memory of anyone uh talking to me about this stuff and my dad was like yep yeah that's what israelis are like they they're terrible no one likes them they fucking song penis people, they're stupid, they're annoying. They think they're much more attractive than they are. Right. But he wasn't like, you know, I think like he would probably find the idea of like a Jewish person being really into Palestine.

He would probably find that like, you know, the darker side of having a high, highly developed sense of irony, right? You stray away from things that are overly sincere or you, you perceive as. mawkish that's right so he he probably would think that like a jewish person was very into palestine he would find that kind of mawkish and weird right but just uh just the the they're both my parents they're uh i would not cynicism but like you know their appraisal of the world and then my dad saying that those were pretty foundational to me and they they definitely inoculated me against like a certain type of Zionism

that a lot of like Jewish kids get into. Right. I mean, especially since you were talking about like wanting to find the Gentile camp with the guns. Like that's like it's very easy to go from from that to Zionist camp where you know, all of your counselors are Israelis and they're telling you, you know, they're teaching how to fire and oozy and shit.

Oh my yeah. No. And like that could have happened. You know you don't have to convert out of Judaism to be a homicidal maniac, tri-Zionism. That, like, that, you know, like, that so easily could have happened to me because I was not immune for propaganda. Sure. I famously, one of the most embarrassing things from my childhood, I wanted to be, when I was like 14 and I saw John Kerry run for president, I was like, what if I become like a Navy seal and then I become a liberal senator? then no one could say i'm like unpatriotic so i had some very stupid ideas every every episode

of choppo would start with felix saying reporting for duty yeah i don't know why i thought that would work what was i but you know i um i like my but like yeah my parents weren't i don't think they would even have described themselves as like a vow and anti sinus but my grandmother on my dad's side incredibly interesting person she's still alive by the way one of the oldest people that i know shout out the oldest person i know she was born in fucking 1920 my god yeah um it very interesting life she um you know her her like her dad i've never really like fully understood the story because she was like already like a hundred and one when she told us.

All right. But like her dad or someone, they were, they were like illiterate like heroin dealers. And she had to like drop out of school when she was like 13 and just like an incredibly like brutal life. They lived they lived in like the basement of a building that had a dirt floor. But she, you know, she was like still very tough and capable obviously. This is your grandmother we're talking about? Yeah. Yeah.

My dad's mom. Yeah. And she, she, like, she met this guy, my grandfather, who was like a very, one of the most normal guys ever in my family, a normal regular guy that everyone liked. And, you know, she built this great life. But she, I had never known this about her. She said that she had left her temple, you know, like 60 years ago. When, on her, not a hundredth, but I think like a hundredth or sixth birthday. or no it was a hundred it was like yeah one of those but it was in the triple digits yeah we we had

like a big family get together and we everyone just asked her questions because it's like you know going from fucking 1920 to you know now is just that isn't you've seen the world change so many times but someone asked her about like you know what it was like during the foundation of israel and it turned she said i left we left our temple because we were against sign it we were against like this racialized identity politics because we thought it was the same same racial logic that hitler had basically nice wow okay and and she i i this is all stuff i had found out like later when i was already an adult she sometime like many years ago you know know how old people are always going to like charity things yeah she like made sure after a certain

point that nothing no like charity thing she had anything to do with had anything to do with israel bdbdh booby yeah but she like again this is another person we're like you know either because of the fact that she is fucking 104 years old or whatever probably would not call herself like an avowed anti-Zionist or anything like this right right but like this is really if you could just get every american bear i love that shit that's my favorite kind of opposition so anti-zionist all these newfangled terms even my dad doesn't call himself an anti-zionist or pro-palasinian he says i'm pro-justice i'm pro-truth right right you don't if you were anti if you were against the nazi genocide in the 40s you wouldn't have been pro-jew you just right and anti-terror and and and extermination and

anti-horrors, but I love the kind of the root that your grandma took to get there, which is without even having to look into, well, what effect did this have on anyone else? This just sucks. If you actually just look at it on its face, the entire notion that we are now this, this goyish mirroring nation, like all the other, I mean, literally, goy means nation. Nation, you know, like, so nationalism is goyism, fundamentally, you know. we're going to be just like them and we're going to create our own state her seeing that that's hitler logic that's brilliant i mean it's prime of fascia fascist yeah yeah she was like you know

obviously like an incredibly capable and resourceful person and like just what a fucking difficult life she had there is a certain type of like intelligence that you have to have to like not only get through that life but to find happiness and and meaning through all of that through all the things that happened earlier in her life and later but you know also did not you know didn't really finish high school definitely did not go to college was not yeah but like just her her basic understanding of things led her to this place which i always thought was so interesting yeah i mean i think there's another interesting thing about that is like sure there are a lot of like um american dumb ass ionists like you have your like rapaports and your dave port

noise and stuff. But really the type of Zionists that you see in America is the over, over intellectualizes everything to the point where they can justify Zionism and justify like just sheer brutality of the state of Israel by kind of intellectualizing it as like, well, if you consider this a land back movement and an indigenous rights movement, then technically it is within the, and you're just like, I think there is kind of. of like, I don't know, I think there's too many people who try to over-intellectualize it. And that's the kind of Zionism that you see in America is people who think, no, no, you're just not smart enough to understand why this brutality needs to happen.

As opposed to your grandmother, it was like, you know, my parents sold heroin. I lived on a dirt floor with the rats. And then I, you know, fucking live my life. And then I heard about Zionism. And I said, that sounds like Hitler. And then, you know, goes to charity events. Yeah. No, yeah. I think, like, to a certain extent, like, someone who, someone who has all these, like, intellectual and philosophical justifications for the worst excesses of Zionism in practice is, at the end of the day, they're trying to fool themselves. Yeah, 100%.

But it is, I would, it's definitely more, you know, what is a more malign influence on the world? is it that or is it you know Michael Rappaport going yeah yeah boy we blew up them pages that's one of the pillars of hip hop you know like there's always going to be like

fucking idiots sure who are going to support whatever awful thing is going on but you know in some ways I think it is a more maligned thing to be able to come up with like a moral and ethical and intellectual

justification 100% yeah so when you have like a fucking graduate degree that you got specifically so that you could like reinforce this fucking worldview based on allowing Israel to do murder like that is that's going that's a lot of money and schooling just to live in a bubble that's fucking crazy murder murder murder murderous bigotry arrived at after a lot of chin stroking and like soft spoken tones to me is much more horrifying than just libidinal. tribal, you know, cruelty and idiocy. Of course, you know, with Michael Report, it also comes through Hollywood mediocrity, which is its own kind of horror factory. Yeah, there's other factors. I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to excuse him.

But, no, I'm with you guys. And again, the kind of politics that your grandmother unostentatiously arrived at is the kind of blind man can see it, just look at it on its face. And it just doesn't, it's just something in the milk ain't clean. It just doesn't, just doesn't feel right. And you don't, and based on, that's all, that's kind of all you need. And I think a lot of people have that when it comes to Zionism, which is why it's been

relatively easy this year since October 7th, since Israeli has been showing its entire fascist ass to, yeah, to fill people in and be like, oh, yeah, right, you're not. And that's entirely the point of this podcast, our motto basically is, no, you're not crazy. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think, like, people who, people who care about. foreign policy and especially Zionism and Israel and America are, they are traumatized by the Bush years, by things they heard growing up. And they think it is an impossibility to get Americans to care about this because they could never, they had an incredible amount of difficulty to the point of impossibility of getting people to care about this and think about this and talk about this on their exact terms. right but uh and also you know it's the same it's it is the exact same thing as like uh older

liberal left liberals who like either mcgovern or mondale broke them it crushed their spirits they they they you know these individual moments of the american electorate where they're like nothing is ever possible right this nothing good can happen but they in all cases they make the mistake of thinking like in the case of the McGovern people that like we're still in 1972 and the electorate is fucking 90% white and you know all all these things that are not true anymore are are true uh with people who care about foreign policy on a more left wing access it is that we're still in 2002 our new our news media and most of our elected may still be in 2002 the people decidedly are not yeah and

And it is easy to get pessimistic and get bugged down and think nothing could ever get better. But I don't, just because, you know, I don't know how anyone can look at like after people had prematurely declared the end of like an anti-Zionist left after October 7th. Oh my God, there's no way it can ever fucking have. But people said the left won't survive this. Yeah. And then the greatest public showing of support. for Palestine that we have ever seen in America. Yeah.

People may not talk about it in the exact terms. Sure. That maybe you would like them to. Right, right. They may not, they may not be able to articulate every single thing that you would like them to. Right. But it is, things are just with the general populace so much better than people assumed, including myself. To say nothing, to say nothing of the fact that, and this not that this should be the headline, but it's a headline.

it's a sub-headline. Yeah. Just the fact that there's been a very, and I hate this word, but robust Jewish, Palestine solidarity. And there always have been Jewish solidarity activists with Palestine.

But after October 7th, you know, the Grand Central Station, the Statue of Liberty, shutting down bridges, way more. Way more. And in numbers that are big enough,

at least, to forever discombobulate any sort of unanimity narrative. Like no one anymore is trying to claim that all Jews are with Israel. And not only that, but also like, to be real, the big shocker to me is how many Israelis and not just expats, but like Israelis who currently live there are, I don't know if they're outspoken. I think it's a much more fucking, you know, draconian there. They're sort of inspoken. No, but we get emails from, you know, people who are, is.

Israelis, obviously not that many, because mostly we just talking shit about Israel, but there are a surprising amount of Israelis live in Israel who are just like, keep going. We're the fucking worse. Yeah, help us break, like help break us down. I met a guy last night at a J. Fredge benefit here in Brooklyn. And he approached me, you know, Israeli name, Israeli accent, huge fan of the show. He's just just keep going. Now, I'm not sure if he can tell his friends and family that he is, but I know I know more

more Israelis than I can count on several hands who are seeing that the best path forward for their country is some kind of imminent collapse. Yeah. Iranian invasion. I mean, look, you know, look at all those

Dutch, and you can tell that they're Dutch. Dutch-descended white people in EFF. I always think of them, you know, when people... Tell me what EFF is? Oh, economic freedom fighters. One of the, I don't know a ton about South African politics, but it's Malima's party. He was the former ANC. He was the head of the ANC youth wing and he broke with the ANC over like, I think it was

Zuma was president broke a mining strike very brutally. But it's a left-wing party in South Africa. And there are so many great pictures and videos of like all types of Dutch descended white people, be they the Zumer type with the Zuma haircut or like an older middle-aged Dutchman, the type of which you would see in a Rembrandt painting, wearing the Red Beret looking terrific in it. and it really shows humanity's better better sides yeah yeah yeah it's nice um didn't you find some video of some some very south african coded uh israeli at some point matt oh yeah yeah maybe we should

start there before we get on to pagers um you know there's something about like the uh the amount of white south african jews um this is the annoying thing about israel is because one of of I think the pride of world Jewry, in my opinion, has been the fact that there were so many South African Jews who were instrumental allies with the ANC. Yeah, you might say that they were even a more core part of that freedom struggle than our very vaunted liberal Jewish support for civil rights in the South, right? Of the United States, right? 100%.

They took bigger risks. weapons into the country they were they were they were they were the underground railroad in a lot a hundred percent yeah and and what sucks is like watching the fucking uh the way israel loves to like they have a few different hasbarists who are very clearly south african jews who just uh who who left in like 93 you know and uh and then making them have the the accent i can only describe is like What if you mix, like, two poisons together and make, like, a super poison? Just like Israeli South African accent. And I just, I want to play this one video just because, I mean, content aside,

it's the accent that really, really shines through. So this is from the Israeli citizen spokesperson's account. This is, by the way, Alon Levy's, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, private media company he created after getting fired from the office of the prime minister um this is his like what if i just was still a spokesperson i like he's awesome he is like Kenny power you showing up to little league games he he he sets up like a podium and shit in his living room and he's like i have never heard anyone describe themselves as a freelance spokesperson like he like he's a mercenary spokesman he's he's he's big boss it's such a funny type of person it's it's one of a billion

things with his kind of like you know if zionism never was put to practice how funny it would be yeah if they weren't doing the fucking holocaust i know i know this all of this could be purely funny yeah all of these guys could be so funny yeah they they i mean kind of like how the nazis in Matt Chriswood's word were going around looking for Hagar the horrible skull to worship. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's like, why do you have to kill all these people?

You could be so funny otherwise. Yeah. Okay, so here is this Israeli spokesperson. I don't know the name. It doesn't really matter, but here we go. I'm going to play this for you all. And I love, hold on, just go back for just for a quick. Quick for a second.

Yeah. Yeah. I love the handle. Israeli citizen Spockes. Yeah. But it reads like, but it's like spooks. Yeah.

Yeah. So this is a Wasserman landa. Landa for peace. Yeah, yeah. This is a Landa back movement. Let's see. The Landa of Israel. All right, here we go.

A UN convoy in Gaza was stopped by the Israeli military because of a suspicion that several wanted men were on one of those vehicles. Apparently, the UN gives rides to wanted men in a war zone. I'm sorry, but like, if we, if you start out this video with just that first sentence, you go like, oh shit, she's describing a war crime and she's mad about it. But instead, it just goes on to be like, and, and here's the reasons why it's okay to do this can i please can i just say um this is a type of uh person uh that i've seen very much in the international hasbarra movement someone who like you go to the profile proud jew i will never be ashamed of being jewish yeah i'm not like one of those fucking pussies who died in the holocaust you'll

never get me to renounce my judaism yeah and then you look at them and it's like oh my god you got surgery to remove every Jewish feature that you have. I know, you've bleached blonde your hair. It is so annoying because these are the like the same people who after October 7th were like, hashtag, would you hide me? And I'm just, I forgot about that. It's like, hide you from what? Nobody knows you're Jewish.

Would you hide me? It's like a Mr. Beast video. Hey, we're having, we're all, we're having 20 contest. in a Jew hiding contest. Who can hide the most Jews in this closed me stores? Would you smuggle in my, my blonde hair color? It's like a game show. You can hear an audience chanting,

what you hide me? It's just, it's fucking insane to me. It's like one of the things that drove me crazy. Yeah, I'd hire you. I'd like, hide you. Yeah, sorry, yeah, I'd hide you. I would just like bring you aboard as like my, I'd put you out front.

Right, exactly. And the Nazis would walk in and they'd like, sikhaw you and you'd sikhael them. And everything would be great. That would be the hiding. I would just put you in plain sight. Yeah, after your fucking bucle fat removal and your bleached hair and your fucking nose job. Yes. It's so fucking insane because I swear to God, the only people I see who were doing that hashtag were all like blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jews.

It was all a very specific type of. of like non-identifiably Jewish by like, you know, Nazi physiognomy standards, right? And so it would, it drove me fucking crazy because I'm like, I know Italians who have more of a right to be scared than you do. Like, what do you think, what do you think is going to happen? You, you look, they all, they don't look like the people in the fucking trains in Schindler's list. They look like the little girl who is doing this, like slitting her throat all.

That's who they look like. They all look fucking Polish and Swedish and shit. When Amy Schumer would do this, it drove me crazy. Because Amy Schumer, no offense to anyone who looks like or is Amy Schumer, but like she looks exactly like any fans of bands and band of brothers. Do you remember the episode Why We Fight when they find the baker? And he's like, why are you taking my bread? And I forget, I think it may be complicated.

Or was Compton too shell shocked it. It was someone else. One of the officers, whereas he owes an Easy Company, like sticks a fucking Colt 45 in his face. And it's like, you do exactly what was fucking going on. You didn't smell it? Yeah. Yeah. She looks like that guy.

Right. Here's the thing, Felix. I know it's not genetic because I met her brother. Oh, you met this late? Oh, no. Amy Schumer's brother. That's right. At a pro-Palestine event who came up to me to thank me for the Instagram stuff I was

putting out. This is before I think I was doing the show with Matt, but he told me that, like, she and her, she and her, she and him have had a falling out over this. And this guy looks hella Jewish. Right. I can see that they're siblings, but there's something about her ideology and her worldview that, like, de-Jutifies. Yeah, that gentiled her. It goiified her features. Yeah.

It's, it's so crazy because, like, I, I've never, there are all types of Jewish people. I know. Of course. I have never met one who looks like that, who looks like that, who could be someone that that Conan the Barbarian was friends with. Like the guy, the girl who makes like the the sheath for his sword or something. She looks like fucking like the progeny of the American Gothic couple. Yeah.

She looks corn fit. Like she looks like a regular, like a just a white American who's tired of all these immigrants, you know, like there's no part of her that I'm like, oh, that's a Jewish person. And here's the thing. Yes, Jews look like everything. There's not like a fucking one type. There's not, you know, it's not to support that. But it's always, it's just weird that out in front, there's like two types of Israeli spokespeople out in front. One is the biggest titted, blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl you've ever seen. And then, Then also like, someone who's like a Yemeni Israeli, you know, and it's just, I don't know, man. It just freaks me out. But let me just continue on with this video where she is talking about how it's okay. This is in the sense. This looks like the moms of several women are dated. Yeah.

Apparently, the UN gives rise to one. To want the nose to be a villain in the least a weapon movie. in a war zone. Were the suspects, UN staff, perhaps? Unrahead Philip Lazarene, called Israel's action. Someone's been taking duolingo? I like to think that. Lanzarini.

She did that a little bit racistly, which only in Israeli could be racist against Italians at this point. I'm just waiting for her to, like, respond to something that the South African delegation, you know, someone from the, from the ICJ thing, and just for her to pull out something, what was it, lethal weapon three, but you're, but you're blake. Yeah. You're blake. It's not a violent.

Every, every, you know, let's call them, Saxon descended woman to have ever known in my life, where they, you know, sometimes mothers and daughters are natural enemies. one of those cases where it's like you know what's your relationship with your mom like oh there was actually a court case about it because we both poisoned each other yeah this is what the mom always looks like in one of those cases you know one of those like uh sort of waspish mothers and daughters who hate each other yeah yeah yeah she looks like the mom in every one of those instances i've ever witnessed in my life hell go the kibbutznik we know we know that UNRWA always plays dumb when

called out for its close ties with Hamas. You're right about the, you're really right about the accent. The accent is fucking wild, dude. It's just like it's wavering over the Israeli Afrikaans. It's Israeli, it's South African. And both of them are so skin Kurdish. I think it's officially

like this is the apartheid accent. Like this is, this is like distilled. Like this is how you talk when you're like, I love walls that separate racist and religions. Hamas intelligence headquarters was found just

underneath an UNRWA headquarters in Gaza City with electric wires going underground to power Hamas computers. Okay, wait a minute though, but her pronunciation of Hamat is interesting because when you get the combination of Afrikaans and Israeli, you get something closer to Arabic.

Yeah, she's almost... Hamas, you know, that... Don't let them hear you say that. They'll be like, She's not doing the Hamas. Yeah, no, she's saying Hemes. Hemes. Yeah, which is closer. But let's see how she does Lazzarini again.

Seraini said. That was so hateful. It was, right? I'm not making this up. It sounds like she's mad at the accent. Same Lazarini said, Unra did not know what is under its headquarters in Gaza. Headquarters in Gaza.

It's crazy. Because I realize, like, when you're watching that, like, half of the videos that come out from the citizen spokesperson of Israel office or whatever, Alon made up, like, you start tuning out because they just say Hamas or Hamas over and over again. And fucking, like, I wouldn't want you to talk about Hamas computers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just, it blends together and you lose track of the insane things they're actually saying, which is like, oh, you want us to not bomb this place. even though it had electrical wiring you're being plugged into yes you know like every

building in the fucking world as if there's like yeah like pointing to like a hospital and being like oh if it's just an innocent hospital how come it has electrical outlets I love it too because the the justification there is that like Hamas was like stealing cable

essentially yeah yeah we still my family still cable until I was four in our house burned down so that's probably the roots of my parents' antipathy towards Israel. Or my dad's at least. Speaking of Hamas, speaking of antipathy towards Israel,

speaking of everything, we need to get to a story that obviously is what's being talked about this week. That is the pagers that have been exploding all over, Lebanon and also in Syria, something like so far, 3,200 injured, 26 people dead. Two days in a row. Two days in a row. But before we do that, we should take a quick commercial break. So everyone, stick around and, you know, don't buy, if any of these products are Israeli technologies, definitely, definitely don't buy them now.

Stick around. We'll be right there. and we're back welcome back to bad as barra our guest once again is felix bitermen from chapotrap house uh and we're talking about uh this uh terrorist attack that happened uh this week within lebanon and also syria in which uh Apparently, Israel sold a bunch of pagers with bombs in them and different, like, radio equipment with, with bombs in them in order to do a coordinated attack by blowing up the pagers and, I don't know, yeah, they killed a bunch of people. Yeah, walkie-talkies as well. Yeah.

Eight-year-old girl was killed. Yeah, and so let me just play, just to have PBS News Hour did. They'll handle the facts for us. Yeah, they'll say like complete sentences about what had happened. Good. Here we go. Better them than us. It was our.

It was an unprecedented and shocking attack. All across Lebanon today, pagers used by members of the militant group, Hezbollah, exploded. Lebanon's health ministry says 2,700 people were injured and nine were killed, including a young girl. So what happened? Officially, we do not know. As you said, Hezbollah blamed Israel. I asked an Israeli official about that. The only response I got was an emoji of a shrugged shoulders.

So that's what Israel is saying. Nothing. I truly, truly hate this fucking Elon Musk-ass country. Like just the amount of shit posting mileage that they are trying to get out of this. I swear to God, the most horrifying part of all of this for me, and this is not the most horrifying part of it at all. just the part that's disturbing my piece the most is that it turns out that I have a shitty caricature of a husbarist

lodged in my head somewhere and it is produced it's like it's AI producing all of the predictable gloaty smuggy things I'm walking down the street and a hair of voice saying can't talk right now my phone's blowing up I'm like and it starts to call it like Michael Rockport I'm like shut the fuck up like this is their moment

This is the moment, oh, you know, we, we, we, we, they should, you know, and Eli Lake actually ended up saying this, we should call them Hezah because we took the balls out of them, you know? Right. Just all of this fucking garbage. They think they're Walter White now, you know. I know. It's, it's, it's, it's just one of those, those moments where you can, uh, I don't know, this is my experience. I, Felix, because you didn't, um, grow up with the, the Zionism virus. deep in your brain uh uh like for me there was a there was a a time where the idea of israel in my head was like oh they're they're just like uh james bond country like the massage yeah no i was very familiar with that though that was like if you were on the internet uh you know in that time that was like that they were brilliant super soldiers that was always the uh the betrayal of israel um so yeah no I mean that's honestly what attracted a lot of like younger

kids 100% to Zionism around the time I was going up but back then there was also the notion that they were a sensitive brilliant super soldier army right so the shooting and crying was the expression I forget well right that there were

I grew up thinking they were the good guys yeah well the most more the most moral army right yeah you know now it's like they're just that fucking lunatic nerd nerd nerd nerd on the Michelin Possible team. Right.

And they're supposed to be the heroes. Well, no, the crazy thing is, is like, I know that thing is in my brain because, like, when I first saw that, uh, that, that little, like, Zionist, you know, James Bond nerd in my head, just like the one who makes shitty puns in your head pops up and was just like, wow, that must have taken a lot of coordination. And then, and then I fucking, uh, I, I read it. to think the Jewish people came from it started from the bottom now we're doing this

and now we're here and then like as soon as I start reading the details of what had happened I was just like oh this is straight up just a terrorist attack they just did a mass terrorist attack I mean if this was actually like coordinated to the point where they knew people's exact locations

it is singularly sociopathic if that is the case then they didn't in such a way where it would like mayhem and this figure and permanently disable and kill as many like children and people shopping for groceries

and anything like that possible. I think this is one of those things where we're not going to know the exact story on this for a little while. Yes. You know, it could very well be that Mossad got into the supply chain. It could be that these were

randomly placed and they're like, oh yeah, no, everyone we killed was fucking Hezbollah. because they certainly like that move and like there's no there's no drawback for them doing that because like anyone anyone who matters as far as their western support will believe that yeah that'll be the official story forever uh or at least for the next year and it still gets to engender like distrust and suspicion and paranoia right so like like who really knows until we know right right but you know the least we can say with what we know now

is that this was 1,000% like a reckless terrorist attack directed at civilians. You could say, oh, but it was the fucking Hamas paper, or the Hezbollah pagers. Right. Okay, and that's why you blew them up in a grocery store. Right.

The produce section fucking Hezbollah. And by the way, you know, this benefits so much from like the American perception that any group with a with an Arabic name is like are a bunch of like just pre-verbal savages

living in caves and stoning women. Not that this is the most, one of the most coherent state like apparatuses. Yes. In Lebanon. That this is a legitimate, this is as legitimate of a political entity as

fucking anything. Yes. Yes. 100%. They have an armed force. They have social services. yes they are you know they are as legitimate as anything else yeah they're they're they're essentially like a a statewide municipality or bureaucracy that kind of it's a state within a state is the way a lot of people have described it uh but you know it would be as if it would be as if a thing if Putin if Putin had somehow rigged like democratic party lanyards to like strangle their owners you know Putin if you're listening

And they strangled a bunch of pages and like service workers as well. I'm not saying you shouldn't. I'm not saying I'm against it. I'm not saying, yeah. But yeah, no, 100% it is like just clearly a terrorist attack. And it's not even cyberterrorism. That's the thing. People want to use that term.

It's not even cyberterrorism. The fact that he uses cybernetic technology or whatever the fuck, cyber terrorism is when you like shut down Etsy on black Friday or something like that right this is like when you explode the phones you're out you're out of the realm of like causing chaos by doing techy things on the internet it would be like it would be like calling the the um the destruction of the king david hotel hospitality terrorism yeah yeah yeah 100 and you know it's interesting is that i i you see uh some people trying to claim no no no there wasn't any bombs you know embedded in them they figured out a secret line of code

that makes the pager explode and stuff like that what yes dan nine in you about the samsung galaxy s7 that's how this works yeah and you could tell that like this is like uh what actually happen will not be known for a while because right now they are very very very very uh like committed to creating a narrative of what happened which was that uh israel did some james boncha and we're just like cool like that oh my god yeah i saw a fucking post that was like racist hate it when jews do something clever which is 1 000 percent what harvey whitestein said when he forced his first person to deciding an india just a jewish guy doing something clever yeah you know like when jews are clever but yeah this i think it's like

One of the worst parts about it is watching them do just a terrorist attack that is rather than like a series of like car bombings or like, we're just going to put them in pagers. It's almost like a prank with mass death and injuries. And it's just like it's you just there's there's like you said, it's a sociopathy to it where you just kind of what I realized was when I watched everyone's universal. reaction who wasn't born thinking like, you know, Mossad is James Bond and that's cool, just be like, that is, seems like, sickening and horrifying. I was just like, oh, yeah, that is sickening and horrifying that they would do this. And it's weird, though, because to get to the reactions of what's happening, there's been a few different types of reactions.

One seems to be in Israel in which everyone is, like, dancing, but it feels forced. Well, yeah, yeah, because this does feel like, it feels like a countenance to the dozens of instances of Israeli soldiers trying on brawis and wandering into windows and getting fucking collided by Al Ghouls. Or all the guys, all the lieutenant admirals who wandered into giant mouse traps or any of the numerous humiliating things,

all the mercavas that were turned into fucking air friars the shortages of APCs and tanks they're experiencing it does feel like okay we're we're going to get one back over on you we're going to try to get something equally humiliating right to what we have experienced and it does yeah no there is an aspect where I think that most people

what they think is like either coordinated or a conspiracy when it comes to posts can always be more easily explained by just, you know, bad posting. Yes. These are these, yeah, I don't think there was like a memo sent out that's like, we need to make all these shitty Hezboa ball jokes. But it just like, yeah, these are all. It was giving people a chance to like, finally I get to shit post.

And it won't be, and it won't directly be about a dead baby that I made, you know. exactly exactly they've been Rambo for the past year do we get to win this time you know yeah do we get do we get the shit post this time and yeah and it's like so for them you know they look at this and they're like uh we can shit post about this because we can make ball jokes and it's not it's not genocidal right guys and and when you look at what happened you're like no this is like fucking insane uh and what's been interesting is watching the kind of well here's a few videos of the reaction within Israel that I just, you know, I want to play for us. So this is a guy on a bulldozer waving. He's not waving. He's just holding up in an Israeli flag.

Dressed up like an Arabian shape or something. Jock! Roll! Jacques from seeking arrangements. I'm just kidding. So there's, you know, it's just, you know, it's just, you know. know shirtless guys dancing but my favorite video is this fucking this is uh a bunch of idf soldiers that on a on a basketball court somewhere in some base in in in israel or i assume um and they're dancing but if you this is if you look at the faces do any of these guys look like they're actually having fun and this is just for me i was just like someone pulled out of

camera said all right guys we got to celebrate this there's there just seems to be no i feel like there's a joylessness to a lot of like uh israelis of late and i think a lot of it is because everybody wake up we're having a dance party in basketball court gimmel to celebrate the recent forced circumcision of hesbolat terrorists in beruch sugar markets we blow up their self phones everybody we are the most moral get out and dance your tachats off it reminds me of the video of the girl who was um she she was i think one of the people uh take a prisoner on october 7th yeah yeah yeah yeah her her boyfriend is still locked up yeah and but she was at a beach party like on a guy's shoulders yeah with her dad it actually yeah with her dad yeah with her dad

doing like a chicken fight with another guy. It actually reminded me of the famous post. Don't worry, bro. She's just having a little sex. She'll be right back. But every video I've seen, you know, of that where, you know, this, this campaign of like, we will dance again. We will dance again, yeah.

Which is, you know, hopefully not in New Jersey. But, uh, we don't want to repeat of that one. Not again. Timber. But, um, A very, yeah, like a very forced joy. Yes. Reminds me of when people will like, when everyone, this used to be like a thing online.

People don't do as much anymore because I think people will realize how ridiculous it looks. When you're getting yelled at, you post a video of you at like a party. And you're like, oh, yeah, I care so much about everyone who found out about my kidnapping conviction. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I can't look at all these people who are distanced. themselves from me because I wore mirrors on my shoes and at Bloomingdale's.

Oh, yeah, you're the trolls really won. That applied to like a national scale. Yes, yes. It's a, it's a whole country of people who are, are just doing the fucking, you know, the wojack or whatnot of the like crying guy wearing the mask. it's it's weird because you it seems so apparent to i think everybody else like they're just the idea of this like kind of forced like um i'm not owned your owned uh thing that they have where you you just can't you can't help but go like there's there's no way you guys see yourself right

i mean i think you are right in the sense that like they needed something where it was like You know, you can't talk about how clever you are or the racial superiority and the cleverness of the Jewish people or like how resilient you are. When you are dropping 2,000 pound bombs, rippling several dozen, two thousand pounds on a refugee camp and leaving a fucking 70 meter crater in the earth or or shooting hellfire missiles at preschoolers. Not that they didn't try. They made a lot of content out of that. Just none of it stuck. Yeah. But like,

this is their first, this is their first operation that brings, that is reminiscent at all of the finesse that they've always liked to think that they don't, that they actually have. Because there's been no finesse to, to what Israel's been doing. Right, right.

I mean, like, Israel, there are like foundational operations in the, let's call the Israel military fandom, right? Of things that they did that they, they feel that like no one else could have like some things that are like just from an objective military standpoint are like you know kind of like the intubri rate right right right right

where it's like you know at a time when so many counter like counterterrorism uh units were trying and failing at hostage rescue yes they they pulled this like them and that s operation with the Iranian embassy in London, 79. Those were like, so the few like super successful ones at that time. Munich, too. Right. Yeah, the, yeah, the, the retributive killings. Yeah, Munich that all the hostages died in Munich.

Oh, yeah. Right. Well, I thought you meant like the retribute of killing. Oh, like the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, you know, I, this is, uh, with Israel and like with any army, like, like this where their focus changes from like the traditional focus of a military to internal repression and sabotage and mass murder and racialized elimination a military

loses its ability to fight when you when you gear it more towards that we've seen it happen a billion other instances throughout history since that has happened since I don't know if you could put a definite timestamp on this but probably around 2005 the first kind of globally recognized humiliation of the IDF it became clear that these were not

this was not the same military that could do the raid in Tabby or any of these things right right so I do wonder if like they were just keeping this in their back. However they did this, whether they got into the supply chain or fucking whatever. Yeah. They were keeping this in the back pocket

because in their back pocket, so to speak. Yeah. I saw you trying to stop yourself. Don't put it in your front pocket. I hate it. I hate it. But they felt like, yeah, they needed like a historical one like this because you remember when they they got that one hostage after

80% of the other hostages have been killed. Right. They, they keep saying they have control over because they don't that one operation where they killed like 80 people to get one and they and they they were like they tried to paint that one

as one of these foundational Israeli military successes and that really didn't you know anyone who wasn't directly salaried by foundation for defensive democracies right was not really into that one yeah yeah yeah yeah well this is yeah round two yeah I mean they've they've done that with a couple

of hostage rescues where there's you know there was the one guy and they killed 80 people there was i think the four that uh they killed over 300 people the new sarat market yeah new sarat market and so uh yeah and each of those times there it's been the same thing where they just you know people are like you sure are killing a lot of people for something that could be uh done with a hostage exchange um my favorite one when they're like that's how much we value our people right yeah we will kill yeah 150 of yours to get one that's how much we love life yeah that's how much we love life um but you know it's like every single time you know people are like damn that's fucked up and they're just like we can't do

fucking anything about you guys complaining you like i want to i want to ask you guys this a couple things do you okay so you this past year it is come out that you know Israeli detention facilities who will call them that they scoop up people by dragnet

they'll take anyone who is at the wrong place at the wrong time school teachers grandparents school kids anyone they don't even pretend that this is like a this is for their own safety or there is any military value or that anything of value could militarily

could be extracted from these people because they know they're just Palestinian civilians with no connections to P.I.J or Hamas or anything. It turned out that there were rampant systematic sexual abuses at these facilities to the point that like it's very likely

an official publicity. And one of the guards complained that it wasn't. His only complaint is that they haven't regulated it. allowed to do this there should be regulations there should be hr handbooks about how to rate people come on guys let's get this done anyway sorry go ahead yeah yeah but um because of the i cj trial and all all the focus on these things the israeli government or the military more so was like oh shit this looks really bad we have to look like we're kind of thinking this seriously so we'll like

just arrest these guys and hopefully it'll be out of the news cycle in three months and yeah they'll they'll go quietly and all yeah and then turn them into TV personalities well is it the Israelis could not even hold it together for like that and they rioted over the detachment of these guys they turned one of the rapists and do a TV star

and one thing I've noticed is you know I don't like to be one of these guys who said everyone who replies to be angrily is a state agent I really you know there are only a few people I know where I could say where I think they have the right

to say that. I think when most people who are just guys like me say that, it is an attempt to make themselves sound important. Yes. But we'll just say people, people on the pro Israel side who regularly

get mad at me and reply to me, the one thing that really seems to stymie them and that they cannot come up with a response for besides like, you're disgusting. You're crazy for that so no defense is when you bring this up when you bring up the ritualized sexual torture uh committed by israel and the over first rule of fight club felix first rule of

fight club yeah yeah the overwhelming support that israelis have for this um that because what can you say right what can you say without saying without sounding psychotic right and saying oh it's impossible for a jew to rape a fucking gentile which they actually think yeah but I do what, like, do you feel, do you feel like they're, they are trying to sort of scramble to put anything in the news but that? Oh. In his sense? Yeah, I mean, maybe.

I feel like they, so a lot of, from what I've noticed, a lot of their media strategy has been when something, uh, like, uh, bad is caught on. video um that uh makes them look bad that would be in the news cycle they quickly pivot uh try to pivot everyone's attention uh and through the you know state means usually uh they um try to change the subject like after the icj opinion there was an immediate attack on unra that through their own you know uh clout as a as a western client state they were able to get every at least the United States to immediately pull funding from UNRWA over an accusation that turned out to be completely fabricated.

So, like, with the specific thing about the, you know, how rapy they are, I don't know if, to be honest, if there had been like a big uproar in national news, if it had been a thing in most like mainstream media maybe i would say yeah they were trying to change the subject but i didn't really hear much from well yeah yeah that that is the thing is that like following like most american coverage you'd basically have no idea this fun yeah yeah because if there they're there very few people if any are asking the state department about this right god forbid anyone asked kamala about this who is that under those circumstances will you know weapons be taken off the table uh it's the crazy thing about it too is is like i realize um how

uh i don't know how uninformed i am about kind of like what the national uh body politic or whatever is uh what kind of information they're getting by when i watch like the dnc speeches and shit and i just hear like multiple times from speakers including kamala harris talking about all the beheading and rapes and burned babies that Hamas did. And I go like, oh, man, where I think, I think generally the, at least the United States people have not been hearing the stories about the systemic rape that is happening as a matter of almost policy in the detention centers in Israel against Palestinians. I don't think anyone's hearing about this.

I think they're still, because they're still repeating his barrow from like October 8th. Yeah, and they clearly haven't had a chance to hear the multiple ways in which all the stories have been debunked. Felix, the most I would say is I think that Israel does have a kind of, whether it's conscious or it's just sort of an instinct, a latent instinct for whenever they get caught doing something that no one can cheer for, they find some way to do something that the psychos can cheer for and the state department can run cover about and be like, well, we're looking into it. you know like the the the the rape prisons was a very very difficult and uncomfortable thing for fucking patel fucking patel and and matthew miller and john kirby to uh to have to stand up there and answer questions about as was the killing of ishanur eggy um you know but when it comes to a daring international uh you know assassination of someone that everyone that lots of people hate and doing things

that are sort of U.S. style like they're sort of more the U.S. thing. Right. That's a pivot they can make. So to us, it's just horror to horror to horror. For them, they're moving from things that no one could possibly ever defend to things

that at least give some people ideological boners. Does that make sense? No, that makes complete sense. I mean, that is sort of the media strategy for everyone nowadays. It's, when caught in a difficult spot all you can really do is like pump the base up and beck and just get you on get you on through to the next thing exactly it starts getting a bit shrill you you know

you up the mids the base you drop the beat you know you you get the yeah you spike the fucking i don't know what they drink at burning man though but you know you get the crowd hyped again you get it turnt yeah you know just to continue on talking about this story just seeing kind of the actions that have been happening. This is what I got really excited about was the I don't get as excited about the right wing kind of like, you know, meathead, blood and soil reactions as I do about the like concern trolling liberal Zionist reactions. Or the sober, the sober reactions.

Yeah. Yeah. And so we have one video from Yushai Fleischer who did, have we played him on this show before. We sure have because he and Jonathan Dehrechtus were the Conriquez were the two guys that were trying to pile on my brother on the Pierce Morgan show. That's right. But Aaron ably won one on two to them while Guido and Levy sat there. That was like watching the fucking raid.

It was incredible. Yeah. That was great. That was some pretty good judo, J-E-W-D-O. Oh, nice. So yeah, I have a little bit of Yashai Fly. with his sober reflections on a terrorist attack. This is the one who said to my brother,

you sitting there in Brooklyn with your little books. Yeah, with your books. With your little books. Aaron said, yes, I read books. Aaron, I've never seen anyone, like, there are people who like, you know, they have ice running through their veins. But like, era, people say the most insane shit to Aaron.

Yeah. He, everyone who argues with Aaron is like, you are, you work in a concentration camp. You are, you're fucking Hitler. You're the worst guy ever. Yeah. You're evil. And he, I just never, he never even like gets pissed. It's incredible.

He's, he's, he's, I mean, technically he's the son of Gabor and Riematee, but I have to think of, he's sort of the son of Noam Chomsky, Eckart Tolley and Mr. Perfect Kurt Henig. Yeah. Like, just. I'm so impressed. I'm so impressed by it. Like I, when I have a bad interaction with TSA,

I will, wine. Like, I'll start, well, wine, but then I'll, I'll,

um, make a fake LinkedIn profile and like look for the guy who I thought was rude before, like before spending like four hours on that and being like, what the fuck am I, dude? This is stupid. Yeah.

But I've already like wasted an afternoon doing it. Yeah. I have like, I have like a better. I'm like more accustomed to people yelling at me online just because it's you know since I was 12 that's sort of been my objective yeah but but just like he's nothing nothing really yeah it's incredible yeah this was I this I think is exactly what I was saying about him too was that that when we talked about that thing I was like it is wild that he is not yelling because I I yeah he's He has this rare thing of being someone who's able to be online a lot because that's where he does this work. At the same time, genuinely means it when he says, this is not real life. It's just online.

Like for a lot of us, we're online a lot and we want to say, oh, it's just online. But it gets, it gets its hooks in us, you know? Yeah. And I think it gets its hooks in him to a much less degree. I'll put a fucking handle into Google and type phone number next to it just to see. Anyway, he'll, he'll really. appreciate that Felix so I'll I'll pass that on yeah I've just always been so impressed by it yeah no I I always I think that like this is in real life is usually when someone says it it's like

you're trying to convince yourself yeah right yeah yeah yeah with him it's actually not no yeah he yeah it's not that he's got total ice in his veins he you can see him and in that interview in particular he got a little heated but he always sticks to the facts and that's where Chomsky has you know his biggest influence on him just you know yeah when the facts are on your side you don't get to get too heated yeah he and his heated is just like it's so it's like he just he just um you know more forcefully puts out the point yeah it's not like you know my heated can you can you can you imagine furiously huffing on your face now can you you're an older brother yes felix you have i'm i'm the youngest oh you're the youngest okay so matt do you have

siblings? You're a twin. I'm also the youngest. She's older than me by a minute. All you older siblings out there, try to imagine what it's like being the oldest sibling and the only leverage you have is the ability to upset your younger. I know. I can't even imagine what it was like for me. Yeah, that sucks. It explains at least half my issues. That is, that makes so much sense because like, yeah, my brother and sister could upset me pretty much like on command. Yep, same. When I was a kid and like there's a great like age difference between us and say that was a very short live period it was when they were like you know in in middle school and like very young and by the time they were like young adults like that had totally subsided but it's like the shit that all siblings

do at some point you know no but when your younger sibling knows that that they you can't get to them i tried that so much like there was a good two year period in middle school where I was like, I'm just going to pretend to be not phased. And then my brother would find an inn. He just always knew where all my fucking, what nerve to pick. Aaron had all the ins on me. He went up to me once. That's fucking crazy.

I was all pissed off at him. He goes up to me, he gets right in my face. I think he was eight or something. I was 11. And he spoke words of such devastating truth that I had no response. He said, you're just jealous because all the girls like me. and he was right anyway so what is

he shy fletcher have to say oh just some sobering words about what these are proud today because our enemies have been struck and these are the enemies that got a kind of tit for tat a measure for measure because if you think about it the explosions that took place in Lebanon

are an answer to what happened to us on October the 7th how If you think about it No, Matt, if you think about it Oh yeah, my problem is I didn't think about it Yeah, that little The little girl who just wanted to learn English

Oh, he's about to mention her actually Oh yeah, that is the mark of the liberal Zionist Hey, it's unfortunate but yeah Yeah, but war is surprised us They killed 1,200 of our people They raped, they pillaged And today those same type of forces That would do it again were exploding

I'm not doing a lot of laughing about it. You know, there's, there's humor out there. There's a lot of people making jokes at the expense of, uh, Hezbollah. I'm not doing. Are we doing? Yeah, to Hezbollah as well. What are we doing? At this point, they're just putting it on.

I don't believe in this, this, this whole ha thing is a conspiracy to me. This is the, this is the difference between like a liberal Zionist and like a regular one is that like a regular Zionist, there's just no limit. They will go, they killed 1,200 of us on October 7th and race. 20 million of them. Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah. A liberal Zionist will not like commit himself to a figure. Right.

Well, you know, let... 1,200 says... Well, actually, it might surprise this guy's a settler. This guy's a settler rabbi. Shocking. In the West Bank. So I don't know how liberal he is,

but he is trying to affect a kind of sobriety and maturity. Can we finish his beard-stroking? Yeah, I'm thinking about it. because there's also children that got hurt and others. But at the end, the enemies of Israel should know that we mean business. And we will not allow our nation to be attacked by these jihadist forces. And they can live in fear.

Just like they caused us to live in fear, they will now live in fear. That is measure for measure. That's the way of God. That's the way of Israel. Chisbalah, beware. That's the way of God? That's the way of God. Happy Yom Kippur, everyone.

Happy High Holidays. Anyone who is read to Tadok knows God's favorite thing is when you're like, I am God. I'm God and I'm doing itself. This is number one thing. Yeah, he wants me to do that. And God said unto Moses,

go to the people and say to them, well, God wants me to do this shit. Yeah. Tell them about me and this is the, you know, There's a lot, there's a lot of killing for God in the Tanakh, but there's not a lot of like, I am God. I am God. Me, the guy, I am God. In my car. Yeah. The, uh, like overwhelmingly modern scenarios and you're like, God wants this. It's like, okay. It says, says in this book. Um, it just, it's just so, um, Protestant almost. Just the, uh, the, the we have figured it all out of it. The premature conclusions, God's will is just immediately coherent to any dumbass on earth.

It's direct. There's no question. It's not only the end of history. It's the end of theology. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, no, that is it is the Calvinization. You know, everyone that lives in the West. yeah yeah yeah that's true no matter what you're going to get a little calvinism yeah yeah and this is the

jewish version of that yeah yeah cast this guy in the crucible straight away yeah um but then there's like an absolutely goaded liberal zionist tweet by a guy who i think this guy's a genuine one to be genuine liberal zionist yeah no this is and this is a weird guy i mean i have this is just the it's like one of the most confused, ideologically confused guys who's like, he's, he's one of those, I hate Netanyahu guys, but I'll fight to the death his right to kill however many people he wants. Not only I hate, you were talking about Shail Ben-Friam, right? That's right, yeah. So he's one of these guys who's like, I hate Netanyahu, I hate what Zionism has become.

I hate how basic so many Zionists on this, his hell site are. We should have a lot more decorum as we obliterate Gaza. this is not a time for celebration you know and then he'll say yeah he doesn't want to bring back the hostages we should be wanting to live in peace with the Palestinians once we get done destroyed

and he's trying to save Zionism from itself right people accuse me of trying to save Israelis from themselves yes not as Israelis but as human beings who might have some sanity somewhere in yeah ideal scenario I'd like to live in a world where human beings can be redeemed and reach but he's trying to save

Zionism from its own worst tendencies as if its worst tendencies aren't itself. Yes. This is like, this guy's like the, what AOC is to the Democrats. This guy is to Zionism. That's a sick burn. So everyone, Matt has some thoughts and they're kind of spicy. Just like the way in which he has clung to this idea that no matter what my version of Zionism is the real Zionism, No matter what consequences, Zionism is wrought across, not just Israel and Palestine, but like just in the West. Except unlike AOC, he's convinced. My Zionism is good Zionism. All right.

So I got to show the tweet. I got to show the tweet. But he's convincing no one. Go ahead. Okay. So in Jerusalem, a man hands out sweets after the Israeli operation in Lebanon, he says, it never ceases to amaze me how some Israelis will mock and hate all Palestinians while adopt. their worst customs. Okay.

This is the inverse of another thing that I kind of hate. Yeah. So this is always, maybe it's because, you know, I am, you know, I was divorced from a lot of the identity politics, a lot of other Jewish Americans are raised with, but it's always humiliated me when people are like, it's so fucking

Jewish to do this good thing it's we invented helping people yeah we invented loving your neighbor and healing the world you know how tired I am a Tikun Olam yeah Ticamolam it pisses me off so much because it's like we were the

we invented altruism we invented everyone was beating each other over the head and killing their feet until us it just always annoyed me so much but this is this is the other side of that where it's like Palestinians invented being happy when you kill your enemy no one no israeli did that until they encountered awful people and it's the the Iraq war parades never happened in Manhattan right or that like just the idea

that like you can't hold as true that like oh Israel is a country founded by Holocaust survivors and also they had never heard of an atrocity until they met a Palestinian yeah what the fuck are you talking about you can't have both of those at the same time and just the amount of like just I'm sorry but this is like this is ergoon erasure like this is yeah yeah this is what this is what um like act or uh this is what the Cresdenstein's would be like under the Third Reich where where it's like oh oh Reinhard Hydrick says he's like better than the Jews were killing. But he's like acting like a fucking Jew.

Who's the real Jew, pal? Besides, throwing candy, you know where I first encountered throwing candy at fucking bar mitzvahs? That's right. That's ours too. One of the first things into Samuel. After David, like his first

big military victory, one of my favorite, like David's portions are hilarious, by the way, he's such a, he's Tony Soprano. He's such a piece of shit. And I think he's deliberately Tony Soprano if Tony Soprano had had a gay lover that he loved more than Carmela

Yeah Didn't Jonathan, right? Under some interpretations But, you know, I think the point of his character The point of his character is sort of that it's like Well, he is a piece of shit But it's like it shows how important like an unbreakable covenant with God is That's right

That you can be this complete piece of shit but as long as you come home at the end of the day. But after one of his first military victories, he fucking, he kills all these. I think it was Philistines at this point. And he parades through the streets of Israel naked, passing out the ancient Israeli version of candy,

raisins. That's how tough times were. Yeah, it's a time to celebrate. It's our cheat day. Let's eat some fucking raisins. Maybe they were better back then. Who knows? Do you have any dry grapes lying around?

I can't afford candy. But Saul's daughter sees this and he's like, oh, what a great day for Israel that they get to see your dumbass going around naked handing out candy. And then the next line, and there are so many funny lines to Samuel, including the entire story of Uriah, which is hysterical. I did not have Tanakh class. Right. On my, on my Felix on Bad Hasbara Bingo card. I'm so excited. You know who taught me all this stuff? It was Lutherans. Lutherans. Yeah, going to a Lutheran university or not a Lutheran university, but like a Jesuit university in Minnesota where like Lutherans taught all that.

They were so good at teaching Jewish stuff. But anyway, uh, the next line about her, about Saul's daughter is she died later without producing any children. And it's just such a funny line because it's just like you fuck this hating bitch yeah yeah fuck these haters you didn't even make more guys yeah this nasty hating oh yeah they're getting mad at david yeah fucking school marm died with no kids fucking scold that's the way of god you don't play or hate exactly but yeah but yeah what i'm saying in a very roundabout way long way of saying we invented handing out candy yes we did literally people More than we invented helping people.

And even if that wasn't true, and it absolutely is. And I'm glad you said it. This guy, Shail Ben Ibrahim, acting like fucking friend to the working man, friend to the Palestinian, whatever, being like, you guys, I'm sorry. And his, his handle is academic L.A. or something like that. He's like one of these, like, thoughtful American Israeli. Oh, wait. This is the guy that got B2. Yeah.

He also. Yes. No, no, no. It's actually the Zionist version is Gamonid. That's nice. But, yeah, he did. So, but he's, so what he's saying is fucking, uh, guys, these people are, we are not going to you're becoming bigoted and you're becoming hateful.

Yes, you're becoming like them. You're becoming like them. Do not dissent, you supremacists, do not descend to their barbarian level. We need to kill them with decorum and lament in great lamentations. Yes. Yeah, dude. I, I know that like, no one has any fucking shame anymore like would the that students for trump guy who fucking pistol whiffed his girlfriend is still out there like doing fundraisers no one goes away anymore yeah yeah no one goes away in shame anymore which is a huge problem we're having yes this guy was snapchatting multiple underage girls yeah at UCLA right at fucking UCLA and it's god damn it like we there were things about the Trump

that sucked but at least then when someone like this was caught doing something fucking disgusting a criminal they would fucking go away yeah there was a time but now that it's yeah after the cultural shift due to like death hurt and all these other things no one ever fucking goes away

they're like it would cost me more to go away I'm staying yeah no everyone just has their individual like has bar a team and they just are like how do we get the base rolled up that's literally what we were just talking about it's it's the same fucking thing but this guy is like is is is fascinating like his brain is fascinating because it's just like there's this

commitment to um to creating his own reality that uh i think he it's like one of those guys who was just like oh everyone's mad at me i must be right right yeah i i haven't seen him actually take like some surprising stances yes about And this is like a trademark liberal Zionist thing where like individual events and actions taken by Israel. Like specifically the bombing of refugee camps. Yeah. He'll be like, this is fucking terrible. This is war crime.

This is awful. But what makes it liberal Zionism is that you don't, there's no broader pattern. It's like. What makes it liberal Zionism is the, that you append this is not who we are. Right. Exactly. Right. Right.

Exactly. Right. Where it's like these are like, this is horrible. these isolated incidents that have no, they don't say anything about Zionism, but my this is why my form of Zionism is better. They cross some invisible non-existent threshold

of extremity that I can't really define because I can't tell you why this thing we did two weeks ago that was not much less bad than this. It's okay with me. There's just like it's like you wonder why um the israeli left you know for decades had been so impotent and it's because like so many in

the israeli left were ashenazi and you know it's like a lot of like the right wing uh in israel are like misrahim right and so like a lot of the ashkenazim they're all the like uh i mean there's a lot of psycho right wingers but there's there was also a contingent of leftists and left liberals right and the reason why they just never got anywhere is because I think just that the the fucking Europeanness of just being like, guys, we're better than them. I think that because they kept the racist part. They were like, but they had the empathy, but it was kind of like, oh, poor savages. Right, right.

The Ashkenazi racism, yeah, is very identifiable. Yes. Yeah. It's, yeah. It's, yeah. It's very European style. Yeah. What are we?

A bunch of. in Arabs, right? Yeah. It's like something you'd imagine Steve Bouchemy saying in like a Zionist reservoir eggs, guys, guys, guys, what are we a bunch of, we have bunch of Arabs here? Yeah, 100%. You know, I always, one of the things that always pisses to be off about like this form of Hasbar when they're like, oh, we're all white colonialists.

Well, what about this fucking Iraqi Jewish guy? It erases the astounding contributions to racism that the Mizrahi had made. Yes, 100%. The Ashkenazi, we are just doing the same boring old, like liberal racialism, post-enlightment bullshit. Yeah, we stole that from the fucking Europeans. Yeah. It's not even original. The Mizrahi are just, they are, it's like, it's like, it's like, technologically advanced.

The only thing, the only thing I can compare it to are like things like, like very marginal, like weird identity movements that like, like where everyone involved like is in federal prison like the moreish science temple you know like like like Dwight york type shit the more science temple was like it was like um a more insane version of like black israelite stuff okay where they they made a huge pyramid in like making georgia and the the leader dwight york he used to be like a musician but he became like it's a cult he became a cult leader right yeah yeah some really fucking horrific shit to his followers and the children of his followers but like the the cosmology

and belief system where it's it's basically like halo but like whatever your specific races are the forerunners that's that's what like Mizrahi shit is now it's it's beyond even just like Ovali a shit where it's like every goy's fucking cattle right that if you're not this specific type of Jew you're shit you're not even really Jewish right they go beyond that to like we're it's like above Mormonism yeah like we are a godlike people yes yes well I you know I'm not sure which Mizraqam you're speaking about I I I will say that that's a that's first of all Mizrahi refers to it just means Eastern Jews so you're talking about all the Middle from everywhere from fucking Iran, who aren't even Arabs,

all the way to Tunisia, right? And they got grouped together by this Ashkenazi supremacy movement and many of them exfiltrated against their wills from their country and they got their fucking histories erased and their relationships with their Arab neighbors erased and their, you know, I was at the panel I was at Jewish currents, Ariel Aishu Azulai, who here's her book, The Jewelers of the Uma,

a potential history. of the Jewish Muslim world, which is what she, she was born in Israel, but she doesn't consider herself Israeli. She considers herself a Muslim Jew in the sense that her people come from the Muslim world. Anyway, what I'm saying is the, the misrahiness has been like basically invented by Zionism. And these people have been driven insane and into the arms of their oppressors. And now they're the grunt soldiers of this racist movement, even though they've been at the shit end of it as well. You know, and the whole history that is so fucked up. What I'm hearing is, is credit where credit is due, at least in the forced melting pot of creating the Mizrahim, at least they're doing something innovative with the racism in the right wing in Israel.

Whereas like Ashkenazis are just repeating the same, the same shit that, you know, every European colonizer is done, you know, throughout. It is more creative. Yeah. Daniel, that is interesting that the idea of like a Jewish. Muslim world because it does um I had never known about this really but like pre reconquista Spain the Tio centrismo system I had never fucking heard about that until I like did study abroad in college in Spain yeah it like I think I think I think like most of the things people say we were like we did we were taught this in school it's like no you were you just were not paying

attention or like it's usually you were taught that but it was legitimately something i had never heard before in any history class or anything can you explain this because this is not a concept i think i'm familiar with you said teoscentresmo yeah teositreismo referring to the cohabitation and peaceful coexistence of muslims jews and christians right in caliphate spain yes right right right right right where there were like you know rights for the caliphate spade was hundreds of years ahead of anywhere else in europe as far as like jewish rights were the rest of year did not catch up to that right for a very fucking long time until like 1949 like yeah there were some some people were nice napoleon was nice to us yeah that's right i can't speak for was he nice to everyone else maybe not oh yeah but uh you know you know um not to the Haitians yeah but um or the Spanish for that matter or the Spanish yeah but um I I really thought it was interesting that like I you know again who knows if this is a

conscious thing or just like you know laziness and and just glossing over uh pretty broad historical period but I was you know I knew the Jews lived in Spain before and after but I had never known that there was like this kind of a pluralism right the entire it's been very consciously allied and very much by a Zionist narrative

because it completely goes against the notion of it's us against the Muslim world I mean yeah full full disclosure I'm dating a Mizrahi woman who and a Mizrahi activist who's taught me a lot about this stuff Mizrahi activist who is in solidarity with Palestine, right? Which is a very uncomfortable place to be, as you can imagine.

And one of the things I learned this year, and it's crazy that I didn't know this, there are holidays in the Jewish Muslim world that were celebrated by Jews and Muslims together built around both the Muslim and Jewish religious calendars. Like there's a holiday at the end of Passover where the Muslims will sell the Jews their Khmerits back to them, the leaven, because as their neighbors, as their friends, they would buy it off of them and take it off their hands so the Jews can clean out their houses of the bread and all that kind of stuff. And then they come back and they celebrate the end of Passover together. Like a pawn shop. Some ways, right? I'll hold on to this for you for a little while.

You know, Jews would cook, not Palestinians, sorry, Arabs, Muslims, I should say. And I'm getting out of my depth here. But you're hearing sort of how new it is to me. And it's exciting to know it, but it's also, it's incredible that we didn't know it. At the end of Ramadan, at the end of the fast, right? Jews would, you know, would cook meals for the break the fast for their Muslim neighbors. They were deeply ensconced in many of these societies. And it's Israel that had to create a narrative that said, you guys are natural-born enemies. And the tragedy, the thing is that the people who then became Israeli, quote-unquote,

Mizrahim have as a way of maybe distancing themselves from the trauma that their families endured as a result of being brought to that place, Israel, have taken that on and now are the shocked troops for the racist. Yeah. And it is a, um, as they exist now in that world, you know, obviously a great deal of history is just lost over or deliberately omitted. And ignored but as they are characterized now it's very similar to the phenomenon you see where the the hardest right um you know voting groups and just generally like western europe or america are usually like white people who live in urban centers that you know that is to say like white people who feel like they are surrounded demographically and just physically by like black

people or Hispanic or in like the European context like you know Polish immigrants or Muslims or Somalians or whatever right it like that that is one of the most like reliable hard right voting groups and the the you know you have to erase so much history to like encourage that type of thing in these populations that lived alongside Arabs and had these very extensively codified coexistences. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Another case, too, of like, westernizing the whole fucking thing.

You took these, you know, Yemeni and Iraqi and everything, Jews, and you made him behave like a Trump voter in one of the weird Irish south side neighborhoods in Chicago or a guy. in Staten Island. That's right. So yeah, so that's that story. Well, all-purpose segue. Yeah, you could do that segue for literally anything. Well, so that happened. Yeah. Thank you. That's a pod. Thank you so much Felix Biederman for coming on and talking about some Hasbara with us. My absolute pleasure. Absolutely. Where can people find you? you can find chopo trap us pretty much anywhere where podcasts are be it spotify uh stitcher libson or stitcher doesn't exist anymore i think yeah sister's dead dude r api don't go there um youtube wherever um yeah no you can uh find us on patrion uh we have uh we are now selling um individual packages

of like uh several of our limited series like the much vaunted hell on earth we have more limited series coming out I'm about to start editing and recording the series on conservative media that I'm doing and there's some very fun ones in the future

once I'm done with this one I'm going to do a movie mindset type thing but about from soft games that I think people were really well I was hoping it was going to be a bit prestige TV I've done so much prestige TV that's true you have I have done your time.

I have probably done, now that I think of it, like, 50 episodes, so like nearly 100 hours about Prestige TV alone. Not to mention the two times you talked about Sopranos with me and Vince Mancini. So you've put in your time talking about Prestige TV. It's time for Frontsoft games. You are relieved, sir. I will go back to it. There's always TV to talk about.

But I just, you know, I've never done a gaining limited series. And I think like, you know, people have talked these from soft games to death. But I think like with the guests that I'll have on, I think that we have some novel angles for them that people will enjoy. Well, you can find that all on patreon.com slash chapotrap house. Is that right? Yes. Yes. So check that out.

There will also be a link in the bio. Thank you once again, Felix Beaterman, for comment. My pleasure. Patreon.com slash bad hasbar if you want to support this show. Badhasbar at gmail.com for all of your questions, comments, concerns. All right, everybody. Daniel Mote, want to take us on out? I wish I had one.

All right. Do you have one, Matt? Okay, let me set you up. You ready? Okay. All right, thanks, everybody for watching. And until next time, from the river to the sea. I like it when Felix talks about Prestige TV.

That's what they only say. We invented all that shit.