Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 52: Good Berger, with Jacob Berger

Episode Date: September 26, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by actor and activist Jacob Berger to talk about the Jewish Chronicle’s spate of fabulism, his impending move to Cairo, and where to come up on some stanky gorgonzola on the NYU campus.Please donate to the Palestine Red Crescent Society: https://www.palestinercs.org/enJacob’s Relief Funding Campaign: https://gogetfunding.com/provide-emergency-relief-to-gaza-with-jacob/Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White foster us Sabrahamas As far as us What up, though. Welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral podcast. How you doing, Matt? I'm Daniel Matte.

Hey, I'm Matt Lieb, and I will be your most moral co-host for this podcast next to me. And so will I. Yeah, we're both the most moral. There can be two moasts. Tweedle most and Tweedle Moester. Moster is my mom's maiden name, actually. That was my grandparents on my mom's side. That does sound like a Jewish name.

We think that it was actually one of these situations where they arrived in Canada and someone asked where are you from or what's your name and they thought they were saying where are you from and they might have been from Mostar, Croatia. Oh. It's so funny how they fucked that up so much at immigration office. It's like most people's last names are just some racist, like Irish guy going like, oh, okay, your name is Geronimo, Italy. He was like Geronimo, Italy. Everyone's name is just some place they're at. I think I only know this shit because I watched the godfather and the guy was just like Corleone.

That's not his name. His name was Vito Andolini. Yeah. What the fuck? Now I've got Robert De Niro's voice. Antolini. Andolini. Andolini.

And who I'm for you? Oh, putte. I fucking love that scene. That's when he kills the guy. Yeah, he kills the, yeah, that guy who shot his brother, Paolo, and his father and his mother. Just a reminder, five stars in a review for the world's only godfather podcast. No two men in the podcast sphere, dare talk. We've also talked about films that are just so outside the male podcast mainstream, such as Glengaray, Glenn Ross.

That's right. Ghostbusters, the Wire. the television show The Wire. I mean, what's next? We're going to do an episode on David Foster Wallace. I mean, this... I would have to read Infinite Jest, but, you know, I would do it for one podcast. I read about half of it, which I think is about...

I tried listening on audiobook, and the motherfucker has, like, footnotes everywhere. Yeah, footnotes to the footnotes. Can you just make a normal book? You know what I mean? The only footnotes I read are WikiFeet. Thank you, producer Adam. And no one else can see this with Adam. was cracking himself up

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our main man our number one bro the best in the biz if you're wondering what he looks like go back and listen to our go watch our last live stream our last live stream he's there's our guest you'll see him again sometime yes and finally today's episode is brought to you by Palestine Red Crescent

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When the Arabic text comes up on your screen, you scream at the computer, I don't speak Arabic, speak English. We speak English in this country. We speak English in this country. We believe science speak fucking English and the

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since literally no one else is. Anyways, what's the spin? Well, the spin this week, first of all, I got a new microphone, which is one of the ways that... Is it on camera? Can you see it? There it is.

There it is. Look at that, baby, right? Yeah. So, you guys subscribing on Patreon helps us afford better tech equipment because we've had tech numbers. So I've got Ridge Against the Machine's Battle of the Los Angeles. which has the song Mike Check on it.

I'm trying to make my what's to spin a little bit more on point and topic relevant, not just like, hey, I like this record. Asia, Steeley Dan turned 47 this week

or 46. It was released September 23rd, 1977. One of the great albums of all time. Steley Dan. Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 came out

35 years ago last week. Incredible album, really holds up. I'm watching Adam's face while you hold the album right in front of the mic, so everything is a little slightly muffled. What are you talking about?

Oh, is that the chronic? That was the chronic, because we're going to be covering a story about the chronic ul. Oh, yes, we are later in the episode. And then I have another story-related album Sailing the Seas of Cheese by Primus. We'll get into that. And we'll explain that in a second. We'll explain

So that's the spin, ladies and gentlemen. And Adam, thank you for the helpful feedback. I will work on my technique, holding the albums over here while the mic is here. It's all new to me. It's all new. It's all new. We're getting there. And finally, I just want to bring up a great Daniel tweet.

Daniel, you sub-tweeted this guy, what is his name? Like, Ostrowski? Arsonovstrovsky. yeah who is the arson ostrich this this guy is like one of the worst guys on Twitter because you he'll say the most like

just insanely genocidal thing that you've heard that day and you'll be like what what's this guy's deal and the first thing in his bio is human rights lawyer yeah and I just I do not understand what Israelis think human rights are

right it's it would it would be like someone kid someone posting like, wow, they sure are making kids sexier these days and you go to their bio and it says, birthday party clown. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm pretty sure at this point, when he says human rights lawyer, he means like he's a defense attorney for genociders.

That's got to be what it is. Anytime people are credibly accused of human rights violations, he's on the scene. Yeah. He's a real sicko. and he posted this today I will always proudly and unapologetically stand up for Israel

and it's a picture of him I guess at the UN or at some meeting of country minds with his eyebrows in full evil angle yes yeah full on cartoonishly like at an angle

he looks like if you were to draw if you ask a third grader draw an angry guy this is exactly how you draw him fingers tinted as a motherfucker and Daniel rightly he's got a real Wojack like face

actually yeah he does like like defense attorney Wojack yes high price defense attorney Wojack and Daniel rightly points out you're sitting down which when you say you're standing up for Israel feel like sitting down

is probably it's like asking to be dunked on you know what I mean sit down be humble that's right Sit down. That's a little bonus worth. Yeah, that's a little bit of Kendrick Lamar. Anyways, that guy's...

Laundrie! Today, let's bring in our guest. We have a great guest, a returning champion. Although this will be the first time that I've been on the podcast with him at the same time. Because, as was noted on the podcast, I was unable to be there the first time. And I fucked up. Unable or unwilling? oh i was i was very willing but you know i have a my baby ruined my life that day and then i also

had this other thing that kept being pushed and i i i had to it was anyways excuses excuses as i as i said to you as i said to jacob on the day i chose to believe you yes well thank you for your i don't think i didn't i didn't think you i don't know how jacob took it well i'll ask him i don't think you were directly avoiding him i'm just wondering if there was was something like if it was something a little less innocent than baby oh no yeah no it was uh it was interview with al jazeera and then it was baby uh was sick so i had to keep pushing that but ladies and gentlemen actor content creator activist and new york jew jacob burger is in the house oh shit yeah you missed you missed our interview last time i'm gonna get you motherfucker i'm gonna get you i play no

game god hold on Michael Rappaport how'd we get him I just play around I just I just

I just I just had to like you set me up for that bit so I had to you had to you know yeah no

it was great I like introducing any guests when they're this close to the camera and yelling that's

I thought that was beautiful I got to see your your beautiful face you look great by the way

uh you've got you got a beard coming in it looks nice going that route I don't like this gray though

that that makes you feel really about to turn 40 soon so yeah i like that stuff jacob those are talking about jacob take a good fucking look okay this is i know i know i'm turning i'm turning i'm turning 49 this saturday okay and this is what you have to look forward to 49 you've got great skin daniel thank you look at that see this whole time i was like he could be anywhere between the age of well let's be honest 42 and 45 and you're telling me look at this And now Jacob's got his hat off And I figure I don't want to

You know Yeah With the flow We have our nice Curly Jewish hair to flow You know Yeah Some of us more than others

You know Daniel But you know Yeah listen We all We all have these Unfortunate genes That make it so that You know

My hair is curly But I can't grow a fucking beard And you can grow a beard But you know does your hair does your beard just grow in in that it grows in like a guy like a guy fox mask yes it does i was born to look like a fucking anonymous guy that's great thanks for having me back on the show i'm looking forward to chopping it up with you guys a lot has gone on since i last yeah a lot of that's going on yes so in terms of like a lot that's gone on um we've been talking over

the last month and you have uh you've actually left the united states at one point to uh to go to the middle east can you tell us about that yeah so i was part of a humanitarian trip with a bunch of other influencers uh they're all muslim content creators from various parts of the world you know america europe everywhere and um it's an organization called east inspires and we were raising money to help refugees from gaza that are now living in cairo you know there's like tens of thousands of refugees there. So we find it with rental assistance, food, clothing, furnishing the home,

medical, you know, just things to have some type of, be humanized, have some type of existence while they're in Cairo. So doing that work was very impactful. It really kind of opened my eyes even further. And like, you know, when you actually hear the stories some people about how they watched, you know,

Israel kill their parent or were, the bit we're in the building when it got blown up like it just it changes i don't know how to explain it i just i can't go back to pretending to live this normal american existence at this point like that's why i think my time is best served i'm going back out there this week oh wow out there for a few months just to sort of help continue to build the operation hopefully inspire people especially influencers to do more for this cause now what's interesting to me about that is that like uh this is is one of those, like, rare examples in which an influencer trip to the Middle East is done

not for Israeli propaganda purposes, which is kind of amazing because this is the one thing that I feel like Israel has had kind of strangle hold on is the amount of money it takes to pay for people to go out there and, like, see for themselves. It's like a reverse birthright trip in a way, where you get to actually see for your yourselves, the damage and chaos wrought by the Israeli government. Well, that's what I realized quickly. Like, obviously, my primary purpose out on the trip was to help the refugees from Gaza, but quickly I realized the other portion, which is going to be a big portion of things

moving forward, is me making content and showing the world that it's all bullshit, the stuff that we're pumped with in America and the Western world, that, you know, Muslim countries are scary, that they don't like white people, they don't like Jews, they don't like America, whatever it may be. Right. Yeah, the hostility coming towards you in those videos was just terrible. Right. I literally walk around with my star David out there.

Like, I don't even do that here in New York, like walk around my star David out all the time. But I did it in Egypt just to prove a point to the Zionist. Like, I was literally on TikTok live, like going up to people with my star. I always al-salam al-a-l-l-a-l-l-l-l-a-l-l-l-l-le-we all chilling. We all be hobibis. So a big part of what I'm doing is kind of helping break through that, like you said, like I think you have you made a very good point about how Israel kind of had the strangle hold on

showing the experience of like you know Right So hopefully I inspire more people Americans I demystify the experience Because you know Things are pretty inexpensive in Egypt Like you could you could cost it's very A bottle of water is like a nickel

So it's very doable for me to just be out there Because I make my living from social media Yeah yeah And like and you know TV film It's all self-tape so I can just fly back If I need to book something I'm at a point now where I really want to spend as little time in America

as possible. I'm just sick of the government, people's apathy towards Palestine, like I'm just sick of it. Hang in there, buddy. We got an election coming up. Everything's going to change. Either everything's going to change or everything's going to stay the same in like the most awesome

way that's going to like make everything different, you know? Yeah, as Obama said, don't move, vote. So that'll help. Yeah, I remember when I was so God, I remember, because I was in social work school when he ran. I remember I was like, we're going to change the world, the progressive

liberal that we'd be waiting on. And then it was like, oh, okay, you're more of like a center-right president, you know, by, you know, so I've given, I talk about this a lot now. Like, I don't feel like the governments are going to save Palestine or save the American people. We need like a people's revolution at this point.

Like people need to start caring about one another. We need to wake up. We need to be boycotting. The boycotts are. working. As you know, there's a piece of legislation going through Congress right now that's trying to make it so they don't have to list if the product's made from Israel. It's like an anti-BDS

legislation. So that shows you right there that it's working. And that's all they respect is money. Ironically, because we're Jews, like, it's going to be very careful what the word they is referring to there, Jacob. We got to be very careful what you were using the pronoun day for. We're all misspoke here.

We can talk about they. And we know what we mean. You know what I mean? Rothschild. No, I'm just kidding. But no, it is amazing. And it's funny, just bringing up the idea of, you know, the way in which electoral politics will save us is very funny now. Because it's so ubiquitous that at this point we're just like, which genocide dare do you want to vote for?

that even like even pop stars are like fuck all this and specifically Chapel Rhone you guys know Chapel Rhone Yeah she sort of opted out from endorsing anyone Yeah she did so Chapel Rhone is like a American I don't know if she's American

It was a singer singer-songwriter Midwestern I think Yeah and has what's what's her big song hot to go hot to go h o t to o to oh be careful we're going to get copyright struck let me change the letters q b x y t are a pink pony club what's that no i don't know i don't know what you were changing it to um but uh yeah recently uh one of the like you know multiple accounts on Twitter that covers pop bullshit pointed out right here

Chapel Rhone on why she hasn't endorsed Kamala Harris. I have so many issues with our government in every way. There are so many things that I would want to change so I don't feel pressured to endorse someone. There's problems on both sides. And it's funny because people, of course, we're like, wow, I guess you don't care about and then XYZ issue.

And all I can think is, like, at this point, how are you not ashamed of yourself to say shit like that? Like, what exactly would make you not vote for someone? You know, if it's not genocide, I really don't know what else is left after genocide to be like, oh, I'm not voting for someone who's going to continue to genocide. Well, this person is going to genocide less than this other person. Like, what the hell are we even talking about here? Oh, guys, but I heard something incredibly and incredible and really moving and inspiring today. Joe Biden, apparently.

I haven't heard from him in a long ago. Has been, I don't have the tweet in front of me. But, yeah, working tirelessly for a ceasefire, as AOC said. And apparently, he was on a call really getting peeved with some aides who were, you know, dragging their feet and, you know, doing the, you know, the thing that the commander did with... Where is my early bird special? Vader at the beginning of Return of the Jedi. You know, the emperor is not as patient as I am.

And Joe Biden said, fucking get it done or something like that. Just fucking get it done. Like, he swore. Get what done? As my brother, a ceasefire. And so as my brother said, you know, it's great that he's dropping the F bomb.

Right. While sending the... All the other letter bombs to... drop on the balance of the only way we get a ceasefires of america stop sending money and weapons to israel that's the only way a ceasefire happens like literally the only way and that it literally happened tomorrow if they decided to obviously we know they're not going to of course but that literally could stop like that's why i always talk about like concrete things like obviously you know a lot of people like to get into the minutia of like oh well what will happen when they're

their own country one state two state this that and third like yeah we're not that you're thinking so far down the road right now like the thing we could do right now stop america studying money and weapons telling them no more yeah um kicking all the settlers out of the west bank and right of return for all palestinians from all over the world those three things are things that we could actually move into motion tomorrow right we wanted to right if we other stuff has to be worked out but those three things yeah what we should be pushing you know yeah it is it's crazy the amount of like future tripping people do uh when it comes to the palestinians uh where they're just like, well, whoa, whoa, we can't take this, we can't take this boot off their neck until we,

like, figure out, like, what they're going to do with all that freedom. And it's just like, are you not disgusted with yourself? It's just so many things. I mean, you know, the people who want to vote Kamala, vote Kamala, but it's like, it's the idea of chastising anybody for, for, for not using their platform to vote for Kamala. I'm just like, how are you not embarrassed bro that's like i'm embarrassed for you i'm embarrassed and especially if you want to claim hey man there is an issue out here that should trump any you know third party instincts you have and it's you know banning drag shows or it's this or this that right well if that if that's fair game then i'm sorry genocide's pretty up in that deck like if you want to if you want to say that there's a

Trump card, no pun intended, uh, in terms of issues that should be non-starters and red lines, um, that you don't get to hold, hold it over people who are saying, yeah, genocide's that issue for me. Yeah. My, with my tax dollars. And I can't imagine for you, Jacob, you know, actually like going there and seeing, you know, uh, all of these refugees from Gaza, um, you know, and seeing firsthand, like what happens to these people who we, you know, in the West consider disposable, consider like just pawns to be moved off the board you know at the whim of israel like you know you were saying it was eye opening for you to the point of which you're like i don't even know if i can live in this country anymore i mean that's that's got to be uh yeah it's got to be transformative

it's it really is reverse birthright yeah i mean it's just such uh to see to experience the muslim world for the first time and to just like see so much bullshit that we were indoctrinated with ever since especially you know like we're the we're the children of 9-11 like you know the millennials like you know and just all of the stuff that we were taught and it's totally not the case um as far as how we're received in the Muslim world like people show me nothing but love out there yeah um but yeah like when you meet people from Gaza and like you see how resilient they are but like you know a lot of them and they want to be back in Gaza

like but it's just under these horrible circumstances and no one else is out there to help them except the charity organization like that's why we need to be out there like money goes a long way out there and we need to have just do something because it's just never enough it's just never enough

and I just people need to do more because it's honestly I can't continue living in this like hunger games dystopian society where it's like I'm watching some random video about some whatever bullshit thing. The next video is kids with their heads split open. And then, you know, it's, this isn't what the world's supposed to be. Like, you know.

Yeah. Yeah. We're supposed to, I mean, yeah, you know, you were in your head, you're just like, I thought we were supposed to care about people no matter what they're from or where they're from or what their religion is. And it's just like seeing, seeing that, you know, illusion so quickly, you know, Yeah, and it just makes you, like, you know, really appreciate the things you have in America. Like, even on your worst day in America, you're better off than most people around the world.

Like, yeah. It just makes you take inventory. And ever since I got it back since I've had time to process it, because it was a very traumatic experience to experience that first hand, going to people's homes, hearing their stories. You know, now I have this, like, weird sense of, like, calm, like, where I just feel like, I know what I'm doing is right. I'm on this past, no matter whatever happens, happens. And, like, I just know that, like, I'm doing what's right. and I'm inspiring a lot of people, you know, Jews who message me and tell me that my, my being outspoken and my content gives them confidence to be pro-Palestinian as well

when a lot of their family are Zionists, as you guys are probably well aware of that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I also get messages from Muslim people that tell me, Jacob, you show me that not all Jews are like Zionists, that, like, you know, I knew that, but, like, to see it so strongly from someone like yourself, like it really does make a difference. And, you know, the content is so important because I speak to people in Gaza every week

and I've spoken to people that I've met, you know, that are in Cairo, and they tell me, like, Jacob, like, we watch, like, your content, like, at a time when we feel like the world has left us behind, like, seeing, like, you guys, the rallies and the content and you guys continuing to talk about Gaza and West Bank and Palestine, it does give us some semblance of hope. And, like, that's why, like, social media

has, like, changed the game. Like, this is, this is, this is, a major turning point in history. Yeah. I really resonate with what you said about just, you know, on our worst day here, we can't imagine what's going on constantly. It has been our entire lives all over the world

in a whole lot of different places. Three years ago, a couple of days ago. So, yeah, three years ago this week, I was released from a Mexican prison. I had been there for three and a half weeks. I got COVID in there. I'd overstayed a tourist visa. Yeah.

This is real? This isn't a bit. No, this is not a bit. This is real. In fact, it was written up in Mexico News Daily. And I didn't have it nearly as bad as most of the 600 guys in there. I was the only North American there. Everyone else was from the global south.

But I got a little taste, just a little taste of the kind of precarity and lack of options that people are dealing with when they are trying to escape. I mean, these people were there because they were trying to escape the consequences of U.S. Empire and trying to get to the U.S. Empire, and now they're being incarcerated by the U.S. empire's little lackey, you know, in Mexico. And I remember telling myself as I was, like, being driven from the jail to the airport to be deported, I'm going to easily, I'm going to so easily forget this because I have the luxury and the privilege of forgetting this because my life at home has nothing to do. do with this and i've tried to you know kind of meditate on that when i can but what you're doing but ultimately i was right because privilege and luxury and living in the imperial core it's a very very warm bath yeah can all soak into and what and what you're doing by taking yourself out of that because to you the privilege has become so disgusting given what you know and because you're a big heart like you can't just you can't just harbor that contradiction anymore you're going and putting yourself

there and talking to actual people and that's just and you're doing that work and helping a lot of us stay plugged into some sense of humanity so i really appreciate him well thank you thank you but yeah you one of the things that i love that you do is uh make fun of i think in america we do this thing where because we live at the imperial core, we have no sense of scale. We have no way of like, we can't even imagine comparing our own like personal

day-to-day issues with someone who's going through an active genocide. So we just kind of we pretend like well everyone has everyone has their own issues that they're dealing with. Some people are dealing with genocide. Other people are dealing with a massive cheese addiction.

And what I love about what you do is you kind of take the piss out of the Hezbara from at least some of the New York contingents of the, you know, rich psychopathic people who are Zionists who are just, they're too afraid to walk the streets. They're very hard done by. It's so preposterous. It's the constant self-victimization complex they have. Like, oh, anti-semitism is up, like, 300%. And I'm like, what does that even mean? Like, is that just someone walked by a protest and they said, like, fuck Israel or something? Right.

Like, that's probably what counts as the crime. Like, as far as I see it, when we have protests, the scientists are the ones who come and try and inflict violence on us. Every time. We're never the, them and the cops. Every time. Yeah, and the cops as well. But yeah, the first video I think I ever saw you do was this one in which you are someone,

an influencer out of New York is asking how, as a Jew, she can even feel safe to walk the street. And you did this video. I'm going to play it forever. Oh, okay, great. As a Jew in the world, how am I supposed to walk the street? Hey, everybody, New York Jew here. And today I'm going to teach you how to walk the streets of New York, okay? Because, you know, some of you might not be feeling safe.

So what you gotta do is in case you forgot you take your right leg and you walk forward like that You take your left leg like that and then we're walking here here walk with me walk with me Let's go try this out. I didn't say I'm walking here Yeah, everyone was like how did you not say I'm walking here? Yeah So afterwards I totally missed a taxi driver reference. Yeah, yeah a classic New Yorkism Yeah, all right as you can see I'm walking around just fine all right around tons of power Palestinian people and as it's clearly as a Jew so it's all love here it's all peace love. What about me? Yeah, baby. What's going on? That's what we go.

Where we go, man? You're doing a video right now? Yeah, yeah, doing a video. Yeah, just showing that's all about here that you know there's always love for Jews and Palestinians. We don't know. You want to get to swammer? Yeah, yeah. Let's do it. Baby. Free Palestine all day. I, I love. Jacob, you've given me confidence. Next Sunday is the Atlantic Antic down on Atlantic Avenue, big Arab strip of restaurants and stores, you know, Sahadis and Damascus Market and all that. Yeah. Are you going to be in town?

No, I'm leaving on Saturday. You're leaving on Saturday. Okay. Well, I'll go in your stead and I will try that. It was right leg first, right, and then left leg. And Hamas to make sure you get a good rewrite past. You got to be safe out there. Appreciate it.

Yeah, of course. I'll just pull up a sign with your, like, I'll make a cut out of your face. so pretend of you. So, yeah, that video, like, because I was making content for the movement that was more, had a serious tone for the first few months, but then after a while,

especially when the encampment starred, this whole, like, they were just being so ridiculous. I was like, I need to satirize this, like, and people really responded to it, like, you know, and unfortunately, like, people listen to us as American Jews more when we speak out about Palestine than Palestinians themselves.

So, like, you know, I need to hold that mirror to people show them, you know, we know our people. Like, we know, even if there's Zionists, we know how our people think and stuff, you know. Yeah, and I think it's like, you do a great job of, like you said before, kind of like

demystifying the Middle East, Arabs, and just like, not even just Arabs, you know, like in New York, but like in general. I mean, you're going to Egypt and whatnot, but it's just so, it's so funny. I like, I love that video because there's just

no, there's, there, the only people who are sitting there being mad at that video have to already be racist because the ideas that they're going to look at that and they're going to go, well, yeah, well, if I did that, then I certainly would be killed. And it's like, why do you think that? There's no reason, there's no good reason to think that other than, well, I believe that Arabs are anti-Semitic monsters who are out here just to murder Jews. And they wouldn't get killed. They'd get, you know, the gas face. to quote, you know, third base.

The sort of, they'd get a, they'd get a strange look. They'd get, they'd get attitude. What you do, Jacob, is you bring such weapons-grade levels of friendliness and cheerfulness and conviviality. Like, Habibi is your, like, you know, everyone's your Habibi. I'm basically part of Arby now, like, is that how everyone jokes. I loved your video where you were like, that feeling when you realize you're not the, Oh, yeah, with the Arab's favorite white guy in the room and you panned the

Maclamour on stage? Yeah, and I'm just, like, hating on him. I'm like, fuck this guy, like, you know, like, I'm supposed to be number one. Like, I met him, though. He was cool. He followed me back on Instagram. Oh, nice. It was still very cool.

He released a sequel to Hins Hall this week. It was quite good. He was even more plaint's spoken this time. Do it. Yeah, he gave a very passionate speech that evening at the gala as he accepted an award. And, you know, voices like it, you know, like media is so important in the revolution like you know there's what's the name of the female director like a few weeks ago she gave her acceptance speech yeah over at the venice film festival i forget her name jewish american yeah

she's very johnson glazer ask but like she's basically saying like we as like people in the media in this media like we have our duty to like use our platforms to speak out and like i just really i just really liked her message and stuff well that's another thing that zionists have understood for a long time And when I met Nura Aricot a week and a day ago, and I was mentioning the show to her, and she said she was a fan, she said, yeah, we have to do propaganda, too. Like, propaganda is not a bad thing.

This is an information war. Right. And we are doing, this is a Hasbara counter-offensive. Are you saying we're doing Hamas propaganda? We're doing how... Is that what you're saying? Is that what you're saying? No, I am not.

Oh, you should hear some of the... conspiracy theories like i'm very busy i can't imagine like what are they saying about you they must be like first of all you're uh secret iranian agent no they say well there's one running a group of people that believe that i'm actually catholic i'm italian uh catholic i love that based on what they're just doing it based on like racial physiognomy they learned he says he was my uber driver six years ago and i confide in him like the truth about myself whispered in his ear

I'm a secret Italian it's so bizarre it's so bizarre bro you know other ones are just like they just say the worst things like they really do they're really gullible

and just don't I love the idea that you're a secret Italian what would you be Irish Catholic or Italian Catholic from the Dolazole region of Italy yeah you're Rachel dolazania

yeah no it's really because they want to destroy me like at the end of the day because I'm very active on the TikTok panels like there's people who host chat rooms and we have discussions but I don't really be having patience for the Zios when they bring them up on the panels

I kind of just talk over them and tell them like go fuck themselves and like I don't want to hear their lies like if this is World War II where Jews be bringing Nazis up on their TikTok panels to have a discussion if what they're doing is genocide

no right yeah like that's why I'm like I'm tired of like people acting nice to these people like fuck these Zionists like yeah they're literally genocide maniacs like like we need to stop like with all like sometimes people

to be polite and stuff and I get that there's like the quorum and all that but like like this is literal Nazi shit like I'm not being facetious here like like I don't know what else to do like what else can you call it I mean it is you see the type of shit

that's like written by and it's not even it doesn't even need to be like media figures right it doesn't even need to, like, obviously you hear the shit, you know, that Israeli officials are saying, you know, and there's tons of video footage of them just being like, they are human animals. We need to destroy them. But then just like a random, you know, accountant on Twitter will say just the most insane thing that you've ever seen. For example, there was someone, a guy named Steven Iceman in a recently deleted tweet. He was, he was quote.

tweeting someone who was saying the screams of Palestinians and Gaza being burnt alive by Israel. It was a video posted by Muhammad Safa. A Holocaust is happening right before our very eyes and the world is silent. Oh shit. Yeah.

And he wrote, you must be kidding. We are not silent. We are celebrating. Which is, I mean fucking that is just Nazi shit. It's That is only something a Nazi.

Who's this guy? He's a random dude. This is literally just some guy. And he, you know, he recently, he nuked his whole account. First, he wrote an apology tweet where he was like, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was, I thought this was about Lebanon or something, which as if that would make it better. And it's just like, you see the, you know, just the. genocidal

thinking involved oh yeah the new thing they do on the internet they go beep beep like talking about the Lebanon page like that's a comment like oh did you get your pageer yet like literally celebrating a terrorist attack that they did on Lebanon like it's crazy it's crazy but like

beyond the like just waiting for one of them to drop a very very bad parody of hotline bling yeah well maybe Drake will he needs to get he needs to get his career back after all the Kendrick B. But I want to stick with this lady who we were making fun of, you know, in your video, Jacob, who recently did another podcast in which she is just kind of repeating the same,

like, the humiliation of just being a, you know, a Jewish person. So here is, here's the video of, you know, Same woman from the previous. And this is her in an interview with shy Davidae, of course, talking about her experience at NYU as an open and proud Zionist. Everywhere I went, I was the Zionist. I'd walk into a room and like the Regina George Mean Girls moment where everyone's whispering and they go, that's the Zionist.

Yeah. So I had that moment every time I walked into. Oh, that guy. I hate that guy. Yeah, that's. I hate that guy. Shy Davy die. He's insufferable.

He's insufferable, yeah, from Columbia. right yes from columbia why does he look emaciated like he looks like he has like a purple like his eyes like sunken in like yeah heroin or something i mean no the dude the dude has got a constant case of pink guy going i mean what can you do

yeah you got to spend all that shit yeah time i walked into a classroom it got to the point that my classmates in my Arabic class wouldn't partner with me for final projects my professors himself said that it might be better if I stopped coming to class and I was grateful to them I said wow they're so

kind. They're so kind that they're allowed. And I was so, I was grateful to them because I realized, I hate this fucking language. Why am I learning it? If you asked her, 100% she would say, oh, I'm learning this because know your enemy. 100%. Like, there's no chance that she's not learning it because. Yeah, why? Yeah. Because I want, because it's literally because I want to know what people are saying about me behind my back. Just fucking paranoid ass white lady shit. Absolutely insufferable. Yeah. I mean, not to come into class because I'm being harassed. Insanity.

So insanity. Insanity. They actually arranged for me to take my final exams in a separate room. And there was an uninvolved girl, uninvolved, sweet, sweet, random uninvolved. What's her race? Black girl. Oh, okay. Who decided to partner with me for a project.

She started feeling so uncomfortable in the class that she actually asked to take her final exams with me instead of the rest of the class. And you know what, shy? Black people know something about. being marginalized you know so she could relate to me it's again it's this like

fucking white lady Karen shit that a lot of Zionists are doing in which they are just they they can't help but compare themselves to like being a victim of anti-blackness in America they just can't they can't help it there's people that literally

they say that we're like people like us they don't consider they think that we're not white like I'm not white I'm Jewish like I'm like What? It's crazy. You're white. I'm sorry, but the only people who are like Jews aren't white are either Nazis or Zionists. These are the only people who will say shit like that.

Well, to be clear, Ashkenazi Jews, as Jacobs said. Right. There are plenty of Jews who are not white. No, of course there are. They're Jews of all, from all ethnic backgrounds. But just it's so funny to look at like this panel of people. and be like, look at these BIPAC people. Like all three of us haven't been white our entire lives unless it was

convenient to not to be white. I mean, that is like, that's peak liberal brain. And also, like, as American Jews, we're very much assimilated. Like, so we benefit from white, even if we don't identify as white, like, I mean, obviously we benefit from white privilege all the same, like, you know. Right. And when there's no material difference between, you know, identification as white of being identified as white and being quote white whatever the

fuck because whiteness is made up uh but it's like the the consequences of whiteness are not the consequences of whiteness in a white supremacist uh society are you get all the benefits i'd say daniel looks the most jewish out of the three of us though oh yeah out of the three of us he's the most i feel like gerbils would have made that cartoon exactly yeah i like i look at daniel and i'm I'm like, I want to measure that skull. What's going on with that skull? I look at your physiognomy, and I don't want to draw you weird. I was hoping you want to measure something else.

Oh, measure your dick, too. Hey, no ditty, no ditty. No ditty. No ditty. I heard that yoh was at the ditty party. You guys heard about that? Shit, we can do this every weekend. He was at the freak off?

He was at the freak off. I think we got to start that rumor right now. I didn't pull him into the investigation. Yeah. Oh, my God. But yeah, so this woman, I think we've covered this on this podcast again, but I have to do it one more time. This is new to me, so I'm glad to cover it.

This woman who, you know, Jacob, you were making fun of and who shy David I interviewed is complaining that as soon as I walk in, everyone's like, oh, there's the Zionist. I'm not sure that's the case. They might be looking at her and going, oh, there's the woman who, according to, to the New York Post. No, even more so is someone who had to go to rehab for a cheese addiction.

So I have a story I'm going to read for you guys. Wait that way. She went to rehab for a cheese addiction? Yes, she did. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. So time to read a little bit of this article right here. NYU law students spent over $10,000 on rehab for an addiction to cheese. Do you know how much cheese she could have gotten

for that $10,000? What a waste. Yeah. I once overdosed on PCBree. Very good. Very good, Adam. All right. Cheese is a wonderful thing, unless you're lactose intolerant. But like anything else, it should be enjoyed in moderation. Adela Kojab, a 27-year-old NYU law student reportedly spent $10,000 in a two-week rehab after developing a cheese, an addiction to cheese while in school. Yes, you read that correctly. here we go. I like the V8 energy sparkling strawberry Kiwi juice energy drink ad in the middle of this. Listen, I'm not going to fucking edit these fucking clips. No, no, no, no, but it's perfect.

It's like, do you have a cheese addiction? Yeah, try V8. Maybe you're not getting enough vegetables. Kojab told Jonathan Levine and Matthew Sedaka of the New York Post that you would eat an estimated 5.5 blocks of cheese per week. I love that the New York Post has signed two gumshoe journalists.

Yeah, yeah. To this story. Yeah, they needed to get deeper into this. And, yeah. Oh, and some parm crisps on the side as well, as one does. You might be asking yourself, how does that even happen? Good question. One that this author also had.

We'll tell you, quote, I stopped by either Morton Williams or by Whole Foods, and I would just buy cheese. And I would literally just eat a block of cheese with my hands. But why? Sure, cheese is delicious, but that's next level commitment to cheese love. Quote, it was the only thing that would make me feel somewhat whole, she said. I kept telling myself it was actually cheaper to just buy some blocks of cheese than to get a $12 salad. I was telling myself that I was making an economic decision as people with addictions rationalized.

I've never heard anyone with an addiction rationalized that they're doing it to save money. Yeah, there's not been a single person in the world of being an addict who's just like, I've got to be more thrifty with my fucking heroin choices. Well, there's plenty of people who will figure out ways of being more economical within the addiction, but the addiction itself is never justified on the grounds of... It's clear that she's an attention seeker. Like, how did the post about this article? I can guarantee you her sheet contacted them about it.

A hundred percent. Like, this is not just like randomly... Especially because there's HIPAA laws and things like that. Like, you wouldn't have a medical facility would not be giving that information out. 100% did to try it. So that's why she's, there's a lot of grifters, people that you're using it to, you know, get a name for themselves. Like, clearly she's one of them, you know. It's crazy, though, for at one point, her end to making a name for herself was to be the girl who was addicted to cheese.

That is just like, it's just, it's weird on a level that I don't even fully understand why she, She would want the story out there, but she apparently did. On a certain level, all Zionists are addicted to cheese of a certain sort. That's true. I mean, Zionism is kitsch. Yeah, if you think about it. But yeah, just to move on. So how'd she fix this addiction?

She attended a two-week wellness retreat at Hilton Head Health in South Carolina. The retreat costs a minimum of $5,820 a week. quote, instructors and counselors taught her the basics of how to order and prepare healthy meals, count calories and consider healthier snacks, like blueberries or popcorn in lieu of Havardi. And finally,

she dropped nearly 50 pounds with a change of diet and a prescription to OZempic. But yeah, I'm sorry, but like, just the, if you are known as the cheese girl, like being a Zionist in New York at NYU, you're like

that's not a like there's a lot of Zionists at NYU I mean it's fucking it's not weird being the person who was addicted to cheese and had to spend $10,000 to get off of cheese that's something you're going to your classmates are going to remember you for you know A Loan Levy is like we need to get this girl on the phone

Yeah she she needs to be a news girl we need the cheese girl Yeah new citizen spokesperson cheese lady no there's their their propaganda that they do is so bad like the content they do is just so bad like oh yeah i was just speaking like objectively speaking from a creator standpoint like watch how they do content like a lot of thought and if it's like they do some type of comedy thing it's always punching down it's never like yeah clever it's like literally making fun of like victims and things like yeah yeah like when i do my content i try to make it clever and witty like you know where there's a message behind the, like,

right, and you're not, you're not making fun of people who are the actual victims of crimes and being like, and while also being the perpetrator. Like, that's the thing about Israel. And we've said this a few times, but like Israel believe,

doesn't know what Gallo's humor is. They think that Gallo's humor is just when you are the hangman and you make a joke. You know? You don't stand upset before you. Before you literally murder an entire fan. The other thing you do,

but Jacobs, fun of yourself, which is a very diaspora Jewish tradition. I mean, self-deprecation is in our blood as Jews. We have to be self-deprecated. We all hate ourselves. We're all neurotic. Right. Which is why when we try to

escape that by self-glorification and self- Congratulations? Self-congratulation. It's just so distasteful. It's like bad blue and white cheese. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Well, hopefully she finds peace. Yeah, a piece of cheese at the end of a mousetrap. Yes. We need to take a quick break. But when we come back, we're going to do a little update about what's going on in Lebanon. And then we're going to get into this Jewish Chronicle story because Jewish Chronicle apparently had been employing and letting a complete, fabulous, write a bunch of articles that ended up being fake. And it is just, it's just fantastic.

I couldn't happen to a worst bunch of people. So stick around. We'll be right back. And we're back. Welcome back to Bad As Barra the World's Most Moral Podcast. We're here with Jacob Burger. How you doing? We all had a good break.

We all spoken. You guys are both. Jews from not from L.A. New York City Jews. Well, Daniel lives in New York now, but he's a, which, is it a Vancouver Jew? Which Jew are you?

Vancouver Jew, yeah. But he looks New York City Jew to me. I always, I've always identified as a New York City Jew. He looked very much like out of the Upper West Side, you'd have an apartment on 79th in Amsterdam. Yeah. Fuck. Go to Zaybars. Brooklyn. Brooklyn, baby.

I don't know shit about it. Nagle's Bay. Listen, I went to New York last weekend and I got a fucking kidney stone. So that shit you say about the water out there is bullshit. And if it's good, then why give me a good? I did just order a Britta water filter, maybe after seeing with your fucking kidney stone debacle. Yeah, dude, that was wild. But yeah, so let's do a quick Lebanon update.

So according to CNN, at least 356 people were killed and 1,200 injured by Israeli airstrikes in Lebanon today. We're recording this on Monday, September 23rd, so, you know, obviously more shit is going to go down while we are getting this episode ready to post. But the IDF said it had struck 1,300 Hezbollah assets claiming the targets were offensive weapons, including missiles, stationed in residential homes, and other. buildings. This sounds familiar. Yeah, it sounds like a familiar story. Like, it is, at this point, it's almost insulting the way in which they're not even like updating the Hezbara.

This is literally a search and replace of any Gaza Hezbara and just being like, let's replace Hamas with Hezbollah and Gaza with Lebanon. It is, it's embarrassing. And this is a, some video from BB today in English, so this is for us, the English-speaking world, and here's

his explanation. I have a message for the people of Lebanon. Israel... I'm sorry, no you don't. This is a message for us. I fucking hate you so much. This motherfucker I have a message for the people of 11th. Why is it in English, bitch?

Why is it in English, you stupid bitch? Oh, God. All right. The war is not with you. It's with Hezbollah For too long Has been using you as human shields It placed rockets in your living

Israel's war It's the same fucking Get a new writer's room Get a new group of guys Be like we need a new thing To say And no he's just gonna do the same shit It's embarrassed

I don't know rockets in your living rooms And missiles in your garages is new Yeah well right I like this time they have garages and this one's exactly this one's kind of fun I mean at this point they can literally bomb anywhere

and just make this claim this is just what they can do they can just make this claim I've never once seen them show a human shield like I don't even know what that means it doesn't mean shit at this point you should be embarrassed

to say the word human shield no one is actively using human shields I'm sorry this idea of human shields. Well, I-O-F is, I've seen part of the... Right, other than the Israeli defense forces, other than the Israeli occupation forces, there's nobody using...

Like, if Israel has proven time and time again that they will kill anybody, why would you continue to use human shields if it's like, oh, well, this doesn't work, this doesn't stop them? Because, Matt, they may show that they are willing to kill anybody. but you know what they're not going to do? What?

Kill everybody. Oh, shit. They could kill everybody. That's like the ultimate. But the fact that we're still alive means that Israel has a humanitarian impulse. I love the, I love the Zionist logic of, don't be mad at us. We could kill everybody, but we choose not to. Right.

Like, if we wanted to, we were to kill them all in one day. Yeah, if we wanted to, we would nuke, nuke the whole world. Like, what are you guys even fucking talking about? Yeah, who says that, like, that's a normal thing to say. Like, this is the main issue with them is they're like, no, it is perfectly normal for a country to threaten the entire world with mass death. I mean, if it gets under my skin, I think the most is that these people genuinely think that they're good people. Yes. Like, they genuinely think that they're the good guys and that we're evil.

Right. Stoppage. Like, that's the part that really kind of fucks to my head, like, the level of delusion and. for them to think that like when it's so clearly not the case yeah I you know you think to and I think this has a lot to do with the way

we've kind of like taken the crimes of like Nazi Germany and been like oh there's this is a special category of person a Nazi was a guy who woke up in the morning said how can I do evil today and did evil and killed the Jews I don't know they were doing the best thing

they could think to do for the right they all thought they were good people and and and that's the thing about like genocide and the thing about these you know monsters is when we otherize them we turn them into like something like super villains you know uh we make it so that we ourselves could never be that because i am a good person uh i could never do something evil because in order to do evil you need to be born evil. You need to be a little demon like a Nazi. And what like what is so clear in terms of what message we have not learned from the Holocaust is that regular people were willing and able to do the most atrocious acts and still woke up in the morning and said, I'm a good guy because I'm doing it for something greater than myself. And that that sense of that sense of personal

of goodness was tied to notions like security. Yes. Land and space, you know, like breathing room. Yes. Purity of, you know, cleansing. Yes. Territory of demographic irritants. You know, all of these, these are the easy warning signs of when a country or a regime

is going to be capable of doing the worst things humanity has ever seen. we're living in international zone of interest basically it feels like you know where like so many people are okay with what's going on and going about their daily lives like it's nothing i mean even more so obviously the people living in israel like you know but i got excited to see that uh you know got a little action there in teliv today and stuff has them scrambling yeah yeah i mean it's it's it's hard to not look at in israeli being put in even just like a fraction of the position that they put their neighbors into and go like, well, there's a taste just a little bit. And it's funny because, you know, Israelis love to be like, oh, you sit there

in America with your safety and your whatever, and you don't know what it's like for us, but they can't help themselves from putting out video after video of them just sitting and drinking coffee at a cafe and you know watching bombs go off in someone else's neighborhood yeah look at that documentary just came out the holy redemption thing where they're showing that woman who's with the far right party

and they're literally taking a boat tour like of Gaza watching it and talking about how they're going to split up the land and the level of entitlement is just absolutely bonkers yeah it's crazy and then you've got these liberal Zionist gatekeepers like Shaill Ben Ephraim who we talked about last

yeah who still I'm going to have to do a larger series on, you know, trying to counter it and being like, no, this is not what most Israelis think. These are reprehensible, fringe, marginal monsters at the edges of our society. The settlers

are such easy scapegoats. I'm not saying all Israelis have that level of depravity, but I do think the nice Jewish boys podcast kind of nailed it when they talked about the fundamental and widespread indifference to the human suffering of Palestinians,

on the human level. They may think it's in bad taste. They may think it's excessive. They may think this is going to blow back on us. The nice Jewish boys podcast doesn't think that. No, they don't. They were open. They were open.

They were open. And I don't think even the entire society is quite as psychotic as they are necessarily. But I do think the entire society has reached a level of callous indifference, which in this basachakol, as we say in Hebrew. in the grand scheme of things leads to the same outcomes. Yeah, no, I mean, I've seen videos of kids. That's why they always talk about, like, oh, in Gaza, they teach the kids to hate Jews.

I'm like, I've never once, but I do see plenty video of Israeli politicians visiting classrooms. They talk about, on a lot of the Arabs, talking about how they're Amalik and all that business. And you guys know, as an American, I guess, North American Jew, like, who went to Hebrew school, like, it's never, like, explicitly said to us, but you develop a view of Palestinians and Arab people as a Jew,

like, oh, they hate us because we're Jewish, like, they're kind of dirty terrorists. Like, it's not exactly explicitly said growing up in Hebrew school, but, like, there's a lot of implicate, you know, you guys. I was never taught to hate Arabs. I was taught to fear them and to not care about them. And you add those two things together, and you get what hate actually, right it's all the ingredients of hate it's not about sitting around feeling something about them yeah it's about looking at them and not seeing a human being right that's it and being willing to say oh well

new whatever happens to them has to happen and they probably asked for it anyway and to me and that's the functional definition of what people actually mean by hate which is a kind of inhuman attitude towards other human beings that has monstrous consequences. Yeah. When scaled up. Let me just play a little bit more of BB. Oh yeah, right. He just got started. For too long Chisbala has been using you as

human shields. They have? It placed rockets in your living rooms. It did? And missiles in your garage. It did? Those rockets and missiles are aimed directly at our cities, directly at our citizens. They are mostly aimed from what I've seen is they are aimed at military targets.

and this is something that you see over and over again is the amount of military targets that have been directed, that have been targeted by, you know, Hezbollah. It's just like, I'm sorry, go. To defend our people against Hezbollah strikes, we must take out those weapons. Now, starting this morning, the IDF has warned you to get out of harm's way.

I urge you, take this warning seriously. Don't let Hezbollah endanger your lives and the lives of your loved ones. Don't let Hezbollah endanger Lebanon. Please get out of harm's way now. Once our operation is finished, you can come back safely to your homes. Once we're finished harming you,

you can come back to harm's way when we will continue to threaten to harm you. I mean, it's just so psychotic. Completely, completely psychotic. And also, like, how do you make a message like that? I mean, obviously, once again, this message is not for, Hezbollah. It's not for the Lebanese. It's for us.

That's right. But how can you be an American or, you know, any English-speaking person and look at the track record of we're just going to make you guys move out of harm's way for a while and then we'll take care of the bad guys and then you guys can come back.

We've seen what happened in Gaza for the last 11 months. Next year is, Hezbollah needs to give themselves up like, you know, all all 100,000 need to, you know, like... Yeah. Yeah. Next, they're just going to be like, you know, bring them home, and they're just going to be talking about some brand...

Like, at this point, they don't even have fucking, like, hostages to use as an excuse for what they're doing in Lebanon. They're just going to be like, no, it's because we hate Hezbollah and they're bad and that we need to, you know, need to do this. This is clearly them, by the way, I think, trying to get their pride back after they got their ass whooped by Hezbollah in 2000. I don't get the move because is it as well going to hit them back hard? And like it seems like we're entering that stage of this conflict that they have no choice but to act at this point. I mean, I think that Israel's like entire motivation for the last 11 months has been like we need to expand this war.

to be a regional conflict and not just us, you know, displacing the Palestinians because we need to make sure that people do not look at what we're doing in Gaza and the West Bank. And we need them to support us. Because they know that, you know, America as an ally

is going to come to their defense if they, you know, do get into... Do you think America would put boots on the ground for this? I think America would absolutely put boots on the ground if we got into... to a wider conflict if we yeah i mean just the idea that um you know like we are tied to our allies in this way in which we are i mean being an ally of america means we offer military and monetary

support and boots on the ground so uh yeah if we got into like a hot war with iran you you don't think for a second we wouldn't put boots on the ground i think i think we absolutely would, or at least people in Washington would try. Whether or not American people would actually be for that, I don't actually know. And I think that would cause a lot more problems out here than people in Washington realize. I would need to understand the tactics of military strategy and armed resistance a lot better than I do to speak on this with any intelligence. But all I know is I don't want to see anyone killed. And I've said this on the podcast. I don't like seeing violence.

Yeah. But when you see Israel being so belligerent and so fucking crazy and so constantly provocative and being that kid on the playground that will not stop in trying to incite. Right, being a fucking bully.

And then, you know, how many speeches have there been over the years by Nasrallah talking about how, oh, tremble in your boots, Israel, we have Tel Aviv in our sights, we can hit your airport,

we know where the ammonia plants are. Oh, Leek, they have this own footage they could have it seems to me that the time is nearing when if something like that doesn't like how much more do you need in terms of provocation and I don't know what the consequences are of not stepping up after making all these threats yeah doesn't at some point Israel just kind of win that game of chicken like it it I find it very concerning because I keep hearing this is the thing they've crossed the line and now Israel's going to pay the price and they never

pay the price. Well Jacob I loved having you on the show man I really appreciate it and I'm sorry once again apologizing for last time. It's all good it's all good thank you so much for having me on really appreciate it guys I'm going to Egypt like I said

in a few days so if you go to the link in my bio on my Instagram and TikTok I greatly appreciate any donations it goes a long way to help out the refugees from Gaza and hopefully inshallah I'll be making into Gaza as time goes on

as the borders start to open up and everything and just thank you everybody for supporting me and free Palestine Thank you so much Jacob and and Shana Tova Shana Tova Yeah

and we're going to put all the links in the bio of this episode so people can know where to do it Yeah that'd be great That'd be great I appreciate that Yeah Jacob love to having you on salute guys i'll see you i'm in egypt all right peace all right

peace all right so finally we're going to get into the story about the jewish chronicle um it is uh for those you who listen to this podcast you know that we've we've read a few articles from the jewish chronicle before they uh famously were the one uh in which they write there was an entire article they wrote about how, if you don't like Wonder Woman, you're anti-Semitic. Well, then I'm still a raging anti-Semitic. Well, call me Himmler, because I do not like Wonder Woman. But yeah, they are the world's oldest Jewish newspaper, which, you know, should mean something. It should mean that they're held to some sort of journalistic standard.

And I'll tell you this, people sure treat it like it is held to normal. journalistic standards. And there was a huge scandal that happened. Guys, there's a fake journalist out there. There's a guy out there doing fake news, if you can believe it. Yes. Smirching the good name of the journalistic profession. I know. And be smirching the good name of the Jewish Chronicle, the world's oldest newspaper for Jews. I love that that's also something you would say. Like, hey, what, you know, it's basically like when a restaurant is like since 1972. And it's like, well, it is a, it's an accomplishment to still be in business. But that's kind of it. What was their first headline? Two more tablets on their way. Yes. It was Moses first

started this. The first articles were the tablets. But yeah. So there was a huge scandal. And from 972 magazine, brief did a whole breakdown of everything that happened but in summation shout out to nan seven two one of those good Israeli publications yeah yeah they they do some good work they do some good fucking work and they're in Israel both uh you know Israeli Jews and Palestinians doing journalism together and pop off in the comments if you think I should stop saying that some Israeli Jews do good work yeah pop off in the comments if you have you know comments about us talking about anything Pop off in the comments if your mind says things while you listen to podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're mad that we don't know. Read those comments. And that we're not, and that we're not you. Although I had, we saw the nicest comment today. What was it? I got to read this. I love you guys. I grew up in New York and you're the type of Jewish people that I met and love

and always felt such a kinship with. How these Zionist psychopaths took over your identity without your permission and decided that a mass murder and grape, which is the online. got it. Yeah. Were their birthright, I have no idea. Thank you for showing me that this is not in any way, shape, or form a Jewish thing, this is not a Jewish-American thing, this is the Zionist cult of hate and murder and death.

I stand with you as a fellow hume in being. Aw. That's nice. I love that. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Sound off in the comments if you want to delete that previous mean thing you wrote and write that instead. Someone else in the comments talked about how sweet I am and how I should really need to settle down and have kids

and help be a great dad. So that's another me, bro. I wrote that. Yes, Matt, I will. Yes. Come on, dude. It's time. Have some kids. You'll love it. It's great. It's not at all tiring. So back to Ben Reef. Ben Reef wrote for 972 magazine. The rundown of this is essentially the Jewish Chronicle shortly after Benjamin Netanyahu went on, you know, Western TVs everywhere and said in English, hey guys, we need to take control of the Philadelphia Corridor, which was, you know, something that we covered on this show. This is basically the, where the IDF would stand guard at the porous, quote, unquote, border between Gaza and Egypt. And his entire claim was based on the fact that they might smuggle the hostages out and might smuggle themselves out. Well, shortly after he gave that press conference, there was an article in the Jewish Chronicle,

basically backing up his claim with exclusive sources from Israeli intelligence saying that Sinwar himself was going to smuggle himself out of Gaza and to first Egypt and then to Yemen and then to Iran

and, you know, people, a lot of people in Israel and in the rest of the regular world were like, well, that seems pretty convenient that the moment after Netanyahu makes this insane claim that now there are intelligence sources, anonymous intelligence sources saying that is what the

Jewish Chronicle think they are, the New York Times? I know, what do they think? They can just make stuff up and we're not going to notice? No, you have to be the New York Times to do that. To cite unnamed intelligence sources that back up exactly whatever the government just said or just wants you to say. Yes. And so it wasn't just, you know, 972 magazine, but also a journalist from Wynet and journalists from Israel's Channel 12 were refuting these claims and doing some deep dives into it and found that this was completely baseless.

And then a deep dive into the guy himself. I thought you're going to say they found that it was completely based. It was completely based. They were like, oh, yeah, that's what's up. No, they found that it was completely, like, based on nothing. People were asking their own military intelligence sources. Like, is this real? And they were going up to it like Rod and Todd Flanders.

Are your sources on this reliable? Yeah. Yeah. Literally, you know, the Rod and Todd Flanders of Israel, you know, journalists at Wynet and Channel 12, asking, and they found out no. In fact, even Hagari, the spokesperson for the IDF, who you've seen, the one who is very sorry. Very sorry.

Yeah, he himself was saying that it is 100% lies. So, this was raising red flags. People started looking into it. They found the journalist Alon Perry, or Elon Perry,

was completely not just making this up, but making up his entire bio. This is a guy who claimed not only to have these intelligence resources, you know, telling them that this is real, that Sinwar is going to leave. But this guy's been made up his entire career. He has claimed to be a commando soldier with the Golani Brigade. He served, yeah, for which he served 28 years. He claimed he

was a journalist for 25 years covering wars and terrorist attacks. He claims to have been, you know, lecturing about Middle East terrorism. He claimed to have been the chief rabbi of Haifa for 150 years. Yes. This guy has amassed a resume that's about 800 years

long. Yeah, this is the modern day Methuselah of Israel. As soon as he dies, it all goes. But yeah, this dude also, he claimed that he was participated in Entebe, which was the raid on the

the hijacked plane in the 70s. Charles Bronson stunt double. Yes, he was Charles Bronson stunt double. This guy claims he fucked J-Lo. He claims that he was a Tel Aviv University professor.

None of this is true. Upon looking at all of his claims, people saw that he had just made it all up. His real name is Scott Templeton. His name is Scott Templeton. He has been pretending to talk to a serial killer in Baltimore for years.

This is a wire reference for those of you who don't understand what we're doing. He's really getting at the, you know, the Dickensian aspect of the, the Israelis displaced from their homes in the north. That's right. The cobblestone streets and whatnot. But yeah, he completely made this up. And this is something that people at the Jewish Chronicle, this was the last straw for a lot of them.

A lot of them started leaving. uh so there was many who have left would you say there was an exodus there was an exodus of sort from the jewish yeah that's uh god gave this land to me yeah it's a great song uh but the team son from exodus but yeah so uh a lot of former a jewish chronicle writers also wanted to defend themselves they were like, hey, listen, even though they allowed a guy to just make shit up and, you know, create nine different articles from recent months in which he just made stuff up, they said, despite this, hey, some of us who come from the Jewish Chronicle are good. And this was pointed out by a former Jewish Chronicle writer named John Glancy who wrote, thanks. I would like to, I would

add that by saying it specializes in gutter journalism, and nothing else, you insult everyone who has written for the paper. I wrote some lovely essays on bagels, for example. And then the account Judas, I don't know if you guys follow this account, it's a great account, at J-E-W-A-S.

They pointed out this article that he had written called, what apartheid, what looks like apartheid keeps Israel secure? This is by the guy who claimed to just write about bagels and fellas. I implore you to read this article, and I'm going to read some of it right now.

Please do. Because, listen, there's all sorts of, like, random Hezbarra out there, but I love nothing more than a, like, defense of apartheid, but in the most whiny way possible. So let me read a little bit of this for you guys. what looks like apartheid keeps Israel secure. Comparisons with the old South Africa

ignore attempts to totally destroy the Jewish state. I love that. Sorry, I just need to take note of the little automatic advertisement at the bottom. Once again, hypersexuality is not infidelity. It's an ADHD response. I'm taking notes and

we will be reporting it to our significant others later tonight. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. So this is an article from June 17, 2021. So just in case you were wondering if the war started, you know, after October 7th. Now, people have been out here in these streets defending apartheid for a while, even, you know, further back than 2021, but still, to apartheid or not to apartheid. That's been the question in Middle Eastern discourse over the past few weeks.

Everywhere you look, ever since the recent war in Gaza, the quote, A-word, is being deployed to describe the Israel-Palestine whether it's nobler etc. Whether it is nobler in the mind to erect a security wall and a separate set of laws

for one set of non-citizens or by opposing to annihilate them. Oh God, yes. Yeah, what's hilarious is about this phrasing like this is just like a classic thing of bad writers. They'll just take some well-known Shakespeare quote. and they'll mangle it.

But what he doesn't realize is that the way he phrases it, to apartheid or not to apartheid, to turn it into an active transitive verb? Right. He's basically saying, should we or shouldn't we? Yeah, should we or shouldn't we apartheid?

Oh, God, I love it. Israel can be classified as a, quote, apartheid-like state was the recent view of Cyril Ramaphosa, president of South Africa. Okay, so that's not an English sentence. say that Israel can be classified as an apartheid like state was the recent view. Right.

Yeah. It's also a quote. Yeah, it's a terrible sentence. But hey, what do you expect from the Jewish Chronicle? Israel is an, quote, apartheid state was the opinion of AOC, the leading Democratic progressive in Congress. Then there was Human Rights Watch, which in April published a paper detailing all the ways in which Israel is indeed an apartheid state.

All the usual suspects, I imagine. and some readers are thinking I love all the usual suspects line because it's like that usual suspects like list has got to be fucking immense human rights watch AOC the president of South Africa

Desmond Tutu Yeah like Their mom This is insane Yeah A collection of posturing leftist voices That refused to acknowledge The realities of what Israel faces

preferring to gain progressive plaudits for invaying against the Jewish state. Well, perhaps, but let's take this allegation seriously for a moment. You should have been taking it seriously from jump. The idea that, like, wait, can we stop not taking this apartheid allocation seriously? Because what has shocked me in recent weeks has not been the allegation of apartheid from familiar quarters, but the private anxiety I've heard from liberal Jewish friends on the subject. Can we still really reject this label, they fret?

Ignore the Arab Jewish situation in Israel itself for a moment, which is contested and fractious and far from ideal. But not in any meaningful way apartheid. Look at the West Bank instead, where some three million Palestinians currently live. They don't have sovereignty or a state. Israel controls their borders. But that's the entire claim that the apartheid refers to the entire regime in total.

No one's saying just look at Israel itself within the 48 borders and call that apart. The point is, you've got this. Yeah, everyone's looking at the occupied territories. And here's the thing. There's absolutely people who will claim that within 48 there's also apartheid. But like you're bringing that up just to say like, oh, we all know that some things aren't apartheid. That's like, it's just trying to bring people back from that in case they were thinking. But look at the West Bank.

It said they don't have sovereignty or state. Israel controls their border has military power over their land. Against their will, the Jewish settler population in their territory has more than doubled in the past 30 years. Checkpoints and economic constraints dominate their lives. In the Netanyahu era, this situation drifted and drifted. The peace process is defunct and there is no visible attempt from Israel. to resolve this question. Quite the opposite, in fact, one might argue.

All right, this guy is totally based. Totally based. That is, you know, he's right in those sentences about what's going on in the West Bank and what's going on in Gaza. Why, then, is this not apartheid? Human Rights Watch defines apartheid as, quote, a crime committed

when officials systematically oppressed one group in their territory under their control. and subjected to inhuman acts with the intent to maintain domination over that group for the benefit of another group. The key plank in the Human Rights Watch argument on apartheid revolves around intent. Fifteen years ago, when Ehud Olmerz, Israel was offering Palestinians the basis for a state, it was difficult to argue that Israel intended to permanently rule over occupied territories. Now after the BB era, it is difficult to argue that it doesn't. What's the plan here? When does this end? It's a valid concern.

And yet the aparthe label has always obscured more than it reveals. So far, this article obscures more than it reveals. What's your fucking point, dude? Yeah, I love, there's nothing I love more than a liberal Zionist who will just, like, point by point be like, you're right about it being apartheid, you're right about it being genocide, you're right that they don't care about Palestinians, you're right that they're trying to murder anyone there's no consequences. You're right that the Israeli government literally puts them in a concentration camp.

Isn't it interesting then that, in fact, I'm right. Yeah, yeah. But have you ever considered a point of view in which that's okay? Yeah. So to continue, just blah, blah, bling through this, let's see, does the claim itself have any merit? The key problem with the use of apartheid, in my view, is that it rides roughshod over the demands of Israeli security. It ignores the fact that from the moment the state of Israel was established to today, Palestinian political movements and their allies have actively sought to destroy it.

This is a very, very good point because, you know, in genuine apartheid systems, you're going to see written in the laws and hear in the public statements of the apartheid doers, no mention at all of security concerns. It's all going to be about... We don't like the blicks. Yeah, it'll just be... We're better. Put them over there, we're over here.

They don't pose any threat to us. We just don't like them. It's just... I can't do the accent, but... Don't like them, the blick. Yes, I don't know. I can only do... I can only do New Zealand, so I'm just...

I'm sorry to our Kiwi listeners, but... Yis, wait out long... White people should not live in the Southern Hemisphere. You all start to sound really strange. You sound weird. you sound weird but but so you this is what he's saying that yes it's like but have you guys have you guys ever considered the security of the apartheid doer yes that's literally the point it's every apartheid uh like government has always been like but this is for our security

literally apartheid south africa that was the entire thing it was the security of the uh white afrikaner over literally everyone else and the invade and the invasion of poland and Czechoslovakia were about German freedom to breathe. Exactly. But yeah, no, I love the idea that maybe that, you know, South Africa was, they were doing apartheid because just they have OCD and they like to keep things separate, like blicks over here, what over here, you know. Well, in which case, they were just neurodivergent and we'd be being,

yes, we're being able-less by making fun of apartheid. Some people need apartheid in order to, you know, not have their air. a OCD triggered. Obsessive, compulsive discrimination. Yes. Merely using the phrase Israeli security will get you left at in many liberal circles. You don't say it's a front, an excuse,

a smoke screen placed in front of the domineering and greedy imperial project. But Israeli security is no joke. All right, guys? It ain't no joke. I love the other country security is a big hilarious joke. Other country security is not my business, but, you know, Israeli security, don't you dare laugh at that. We're so sincere.

Yeah, you guys are laughing at us because we're just describing what apartheid is. And let me tell you, you won't be laughing when we suffer the consequences of that apartheid. How about that? Yeah, so Israeli security is no joke. It's a necessity. this is a state that was established in the aftermath of the Holocaust that has faced multiple multinational attempts to wipe it off the map. In other words, unlike other countries,

Israel has to do whatever it wants to do. Exactly. We can't just not do whatever. Other countries have the luxury of being able to be constrained from doing the ultimate thing that they want to do. But when we have an idea of what we want to do, we don't have time to think about where it's coming from. because people are trying to wipe us off the map,

so we need the license and the right to just do it. I mean, literally the entire, like, Israeli point of view on this subject has been all the other countries in the West have the privilege of having already done the genocides that they needed to do. You have a genocide or privilege. We, on the other hand, as a new, scrappy, up-and-coming nation that has been around for 3,000 years, Like, we need to do it. We need to do it because you guys did it, you know? We didn't finish our extermination, okay?

Again, you're being ableist. We have a certain pace. We couldn't, we didn't get it all done. Yes, all right, sorry. This gets even better. We need extra time on the tests, okay? That's right. Our libido has nothing to do with being bad.

It's that we have ADHD. It's literally, it's the ad for ADHD medication we just read. Right. Hypergenicidality is not a moral failing. No, it's not. It's an ADHD symptom. It's a symptom of ADHD and we all know it. And of course, security can be used as an excuse for depredation.

And on many occasions, it has been. But anyone who truly believes that security has nothing to do with Israel's occupation. No one thinks that. No one, I'm sorry, but no one is like, no one, we absolutely, I believe. believe that your apartheid state is for the purpose of securing Jewish lives in Israel. 100%. No one is disputing that you feel insecure. It's that your insecurity manifests in a way that is doing war crimes. Anyone who truly believes that the slave catchers and dogs unleashed in the South had nothing to do with the security.

of the plantations and the plantation economy simply doesn't care enough about white money. 100%. It is just like, I love the straw man created of a person sitting around

going like, oh, apartheid is just for fun. You guys are doing it because you're racist and it's fun. No, we know that you think it's secure. We get that. Yeah, what people don't,

what this guy can't get is that there's a worldview in which security is never the last word. Yes. That some things, that security is subordinate it to some very important principles and values. Like human rights. Yes. And like to try to, you know, to justify, as Israelis constantly do, doing war crimes and doing ethnic cleansing and genocide against the people, as like purely a measure to secure your own uh your own people like i'm sorry but no one is

looking at that and going like okay you go ahead then unless you are already zionist unless you are already convinced at the necessity of uh an apartheid state that you know that's like secures jewish existence if you believe that that's a thing then yeah you're going to be like yeah genocide whoever the fuck you need in order to secure jewish existence But you're a psychopath if you expect people to just automatically go like, oh, yeah, I have a lot of morals that, but the morals don't count when it's in a defensive strategy. All these people out here calling us an apartheid state have clearly never had an apartheid state to try and protect. That's right. You don't know what it's like.

You don't know what it takes to maintain an apartheid regime. Sometimes it takes some apartheid. yeah yeah I'm sorry but some of us have responsibilities yeah some of us have kids to raise and we you know we got we can't be spending all our time you know defending our apartheid state we got to just do apartheid so we don't have to defend our apartheid state it is like such a horrible position that Israelis and the Israeli government have put themselves in to this to continually justify these war crimes even to the point of it admitting they're doing war crimes where they're like, we have to! Yeah, it's a Mobius strip of depravity. Yes, it is. It's just this infinity strip

of endless justification for the thing that you're saying is justified because it has to continue and we need to do whatever we need to do to keep it going. So what you're telling me, Matt, is that this is the caliber of journalism that is now in danger because the Jewish Chronicle has fallen from

from from from its exalted place of a hundred percent yeah it's it's sad but it's true but like you know it seems like uh it seems like they they don't have long and by which i mean they'll still be around and i'm sure they'll be fine somehow uh because they'll have donors who will be like no we still need people out there writing articles like uh you know isn't it woke to kill the bad guys you know um but yeah uh i love the ending of this article he wrote the word intent still lingers. As cynical

and weary as Israel has become on this issue, it must not let go of its intention to find a solution. Intentions are good. Yes. It must keep trying for a settlement. It mustn't lose hope or else the apartheid argument will only gain power over time. Yeah.

Which is an argument for like, guys, what happened to pretending we wanted a peace process? Yeah. And it's also an argument for like, I can't keep this going for much longer guys like yeah this article is my last gas i'm hanging on by my fingernails here at some point i'm going to want a job talking about something else all right i would really like to be a bagel blogger i want to be a bagel connoisseur and write about that but you guys are out here trying to make me write articles about how apartheid good sometimes i can't just keep doing that um so yeah jewish chronicle uh

you know, RIP, I'm sure that everything will be fine with you. And shout out to Elon Perry for going there and just being like, hey, what are we doing even trying to do real journalism? Let's make some shit up. And I think that's an episode. That's bad as Barra. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah, dog.

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