Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 63: Amsterdamaged, with Yahav Erez

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by Yahav Erez of the Disillusioned podcast to discuss the violence in Amsterdam committed by Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters, the reflexive pogrom declarations of the Israeli government, and who other than Eric Clapton will be shedding tears in heaven. Please donate to Connecting Humanity: https://connecting-humanity.org/ Find Yahav online at: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/disillusioned/id1624487374Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbara  Subscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts. Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55 Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926 Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Olive garden us. White foster us. Zabrahamas. As far as us. Hello, everybody, and welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral podcast. That's right. My name is Matt Lebe.

I'm going to be your most moral co-host for this podcast. And I'm Daniel Mate. I'm your other most moral co-host. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome, everyone out there in the podcast, O'Sphere. Thank you for being in the sphere here. with us podcasting listening i don't know dog i'm just saying shit now um i'm very excited for today's

podcast uh for those of you who are listening um you won't understand this but uh for those watching you you do understand that there is a guest right now who is already in frame staring at us uh just just looking and and and wondering what's going on uh so uh i'm going to uh i'm going to I might as well introduce our guest now because for those watching, it'll be awkward if you were just sitting there. Live from Daniel Mates' home in an undisclosed location from the disillusioned podcast, Yaha'a Rez is here. Hi. Hi, how's it going? Pretty good.

Did I do? Yahav. That's the name. Yav Arres. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah. If we want to go even more, you know, by the book, Yeah, have Erez.

Yeah. Yeah. I've always had the problem with the R that part. I wasn't good at French either. I couldn't do French. I feel like Israelis probably could do a French accent pretty easy. Israelis always tell me that I speak Hebrew with a French accent because I learned French before I learned Hebrew.

Oh, that's right, because you're one of those Canada guys. So even Israelis can tell the difference. seeing a French Hebrew accent and a Hebrew-Hebra-Hebra accent. I can't. How are you doing, Yehav? I'm doing okay. I'm very excited to be here with you guys, big fan of the podcast. Oh, hell yeah.

Yeah. And I, you, the Disillusion Podcast has been, for me, it's been one of those podcasts that I feel like has been necessary for the last year because it is something that people don't often hear, which is Israeli voices who are screaming at the top of their lungs about how fucked everything is right now. And I think it is necessary for people who are, for the last year, are starting to believe that there is no one in Israel who has talked about genocide, apartheid, and occupation. So thank you for doing that.

Thank you. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Before we get deeper into this podcast, both of our podcasts, first I want to tell everyone, thank you for all of the people who subscribe to the Patreon. You can do that right now if you want to at patreon.com slash badassbara, which I can put up a banner. Right now, producer Adam, shout out to producer Adam.

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And then also, today's episode is sponsored by. by Connecting Humanity. Connecting Humanity provides e-Sims, virtual cell phone sim cards, allowing Gossans to connect to the internet. Since October 2023, they've provided over 400,000 e-Sims through donations. And you can do that. You can donate to Connecting Humanity by going to Connecting-Humanity.org. That is C-O-N-N-E-C-T-I-E-T-I. i n g dash humanity h um a n i t y dot org please before you give any uh money from patreon you know to our patreon please consider uh donating to connecting humanity do that now uh daniel what's the spin well you know i've had amsterdam on my mind um it's been really traumatizing uh i know

what a time we're going to talk about it so i had to pick some some thematic records So this is Jacques Braille, the great Belgian Chantor, who is Belgian, which is not where Amsterdam is. But he does have a song called Amsterdam, which is not on this album, but it's the closest I could find. If you're from Amsterdam, Amsterdam, you're Amsterdam-ish. Is that right? You're Amsterdamed. You're Amsterdamed. Amsterdamed if you do and Amsterdamed if you don't.

And you don't. And as we all know, Belgian, that's. Belgish. Yeah. They speak Flemish. They speak Flemish there. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, then, and then just because of what the events, the horrible events of the past week conjure historically, without any hyperbole or exaggeration, of course, you know, we're talking about some of the worst horrors ever to befall anyone on the continent or elsewhere. I wish I had it. I don't have it. but I do have Slayer's reign in blood, which opens with a song about Joseph Mangala, the angel of death.

Incredible lyrics. I mean, I was bopping along that song for years before I realized he was saying, Auschwitz, the meaning of pain, the way that I want you to die. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be clear, Slayer is anti-Mangala, not pro-Mangela. So they say.

So they say. Yeah, he condemns. Do you condemn Dr. Joseph Mangala? People keep asking me. that. And I keep saying, I don't know enough about him. I'm not in the position to condemn. Trust the science, I say. I don't condemn Fauci. I don't condemn Mangella. There's probably some people watching who don't think that's such an absurd comparison. There are, I'm sure. And then I've got Annie Lennox, Diva, because of her song, of course.

Excuse me, I just bopped the microphone. Sorry. Hey, no problem. You can bob. walking on broken glass oh dude crystal knocked crystal knocked reference well those are all great records please listen to them I suppose we never end this with like it's not

it's not really a plug for those albums we just want to let people know what what Daniel's listening to right now and yeah you might it might inspire a playlist a very strange playlist with sharp braille Annie Linux and Slayers singing about sickening ways to achieve

the hot cost I love the way you say Burn a Glech Immense decay You sing Slayer Like someone

doing anime dubs It's not You don't have a metal voice You have a 80s Big Mac salesman voice Or like 90s

Tonka truck Hot Wheels Commercial guy Yeah It's a different Cool new feature Angel of death That's the way you were doing

That was more blood and gore You don't need to ask your parents Just steal it So Those are albums YAHav Yahav You know I'm gonna

I'm gonna fuck it up I'm gonna fuck it up And I just We're all just gonna go with it And it's fine What does Yajav mean in Hebrew? I know Zahav is gold. Yeah.

So it's actually a word in Aramaic. Even better. Hebrew. I love it. And there's a quote in the Bible about, you know, you put your greatest asset, like your yahav on God, and he will provide. So it's kind of like going all in and like giving your biggest hope, your biggest thing. That's why there's a bank in Israel called Ban Ki-Jahav. And people joke.

and they're like, oh, yeah, I have like the bank. And I'm like, yeah, but without all the money. Yeah, yeah. It's like the biggest asset you have, basically. The biggest, okay, okay, I like that. The biggest asset, I enjoy, what's my biggest asset? Aramaic is such a, my new, my car. Your car?

I'm saying that's my biggest asset. It's a certified pre-owned Kia. That's your yahav. That's my yahove. Maybe that's its new name. Would you give that to God? Hoping he would provide? I mean, if I can get a good.

return on my investment. You know what I mean? It's a prestige SX. I mean, this is top of the line, 2003 Kia Sorrento, okay? We're talking about two bucket seats in the back, plus a row that seats three, plus four-wheel drive and sport mode,

and it's a hybrid. Hey, that old beater breaking down was the best thing that ever happened to you. Did I tell you about my experience at the Kia dealership in Glendale? talked about that on this podcast? No. Oh, my God.

Which is shocking because it's so relevant to the question of freeing Palestine. Surprisingly is. Okay. So I go in there. We find a car. I'm like, this is it. This is great. I'm talking to the financing people and talking to my salesman.

This is a very nice young guy named Mike. And like we start talking about, you know, with financing, they're asking about your income and your jobs and stuff. And I'm like, I have a lot of jobs. I do many, many podcast plus other internet content things. And then I mentioned Bad Asbarra. And they literally, the whole dealership, I would say 90% of the people who work there are all from southern Lebanon. Wow.

And they were all just like, this is crazy. And so it just became a thing where we just. with the financing people, with the salesman, his name isn't Mike. He's like, I don't even tell people my name because I'm afraid. You know, he was like, no, my real name is I just don't. I just, I'm like, I don't want to. Matt, you just told everyone his real name. Oh, fuck.

All right. Adam, bleep that. My bad, accidentally doxing my salesman. I didn't mean to do it. I hope we can keep that in. That's hilarious. And it was like, it, it, real quickly every time because I would come in for like a couple of other things after I bought the car

I would come in people would start to be like hey man do you see that clip of uh you know they raided this house in uh southern Lebanon and and now there's like all of these copies of mine comf and like Hitler shit you know uh and uh and just showing me bad hasbara and I was like I love this place and then one of the guys walks out walks outside of the dealer's I'm outside with another guy. He's holding his cell phone and he's looking up in the air. And I'm just like thinking, what is he doing? And he goes, my phone says there's a, there's a Jew nearby.

And I was like, we're friends now. This is amazing. It felt it was like the level of anti-Semitism that I would expect from a close friend. Yeah, that kind of intimate. Yeah. Intimate. He called me a Jew. I called him a terrorist. We hugged. It was like, it was what I hope the future of, you know, the world is,

where we can all just fucking, you know, get along. The Democrats should have run on that image of America, a place where all marginalized groups can meet on the street and insult each other with a smile. That's 100% right. That is, that's what, that's what freedom is, dog. That's what love is. That's unity. Do you know what you get? If you Google, let's offend everyone. And then you go click images.

You have this flag, which is like the pride flag together with Palestinian flag, together with the Israeli flag, together with the Nazi flag, together with everything. I love it. Let's offend everyone. That's beautiful, man. See, that's World Island. It was great. Anyway, so shout out to, you know, Kia.

You got some good dealerships out there. Anti-Zionist car dealerships, wave of the future. Yajav, let's talk about you. Let's talk about your podcast a little bit. Okay. First, when did you start doing the Disillusion podcast? I actually started right after May 2021, which was a very crucial point in my personal disillusionment.

But it took me about a year to really, like, process it and interview people and edit it and be really confident to, like, let it out. And so around May 22, I started releasing episodes. Now, I keep hearing about 2021, specifically the spring, as a seminal moment in Palestinian resistance. But I'm actually not quite clear on what happened there. What was this? What really happened there? It was the Intifada of Solidarity? what do people call it well there was a lot going on um i don't know if i can go into all of it but i

can say that there were supposed to be allegedly there was supposed to be palestinian authority elections and that was that was one of the things that kind of like and and there were there was an attack on elksa mosque and there was an attack on gaza eventually, and there was a lot of riots on the streets, and it was really bad. And I just remember hearing what the Israeli media is saying and seeing what I'm seeing going to the West Bank and talking to Palestinians and realizing that these are literally parallel universes. But what you're saying, though, is that prior to what you're calling, your disillusionment,

you were already crossing the green line and going and talking to Palestinians and going to the West Bank, which most people would think, well, you have to already be pretty disillusioned to be doing that. So where were you at? Like, I'm trying to understand what is this, what was the tipping point and what were you tipping from and what were you tipping into? Because already, if you're doing that kind of work, you're way beyond where most Israelis are, right? It's true, but I think that May 2021 was when I started understanding that the problem is rooted in Zionism, because you can be in Israeli and want Palestinians to have rights and want the occupation to end, but you won't necessarily cross that red line of saying, you know, Zionism is a major part of the problem. And Israelis not understanding what Zionism actually is. Right.

And so I think that's when I started understanding that. But you're right. Beforehand, I was going to the West Bank. I was very curious, I think. I was curious about, you know, who are these Palestinians that they're telling me about in the news and an education system? And they're like behind the wall. At least at that time, I was still convinced that they're behind the wall and the people living around me, Palestinian citizens of Israel. I wasn't calling them Palestinians.

then it's another whole podcast. Right, yeah. They were just the Arabs to you? Israeli Arabs? Yeah, I guess Israeli Arabs was what Israel calls them. Right. And I think unless I think there are many people in my life at the time like beforehand that probably didn't feel comfortable to actually tell me who they really are.

Say, no, I define myself as Palestinian. Right. And I think that's why many Israelis go about their day without even hearing a Palestinian say, no, I am a Palestinian. That's how that's my definition of myself because so many, so many Israelis will hear that and then just like spit out like, you know, that's not your identity. I'll tell you what your identity is. Right.

And I don't know if that's something we've, I'm not sure how much we've delved into that on this podcast. Yes, but the people, the Arabs who live within 48, for those you don't know, Israel defines them specifically as Israeli Arabs. Because they are Israeli in that they have Israeli citizenship. And, you know, they are Arabs in that they are Palestinian and or just not Jewish. It seems to be this sort of a tension point in Israeli society where you just don't have, even within the legal boundaries of Israel, so to speak, you just don't even have mention of the fact that a lot of these people are displaced Palestinians and or just Palestinian in general who just didn't happen to have their, you know, neighborhoods taken from them. I think that the idea is mainly to call them anything but Palestinian. Right. Just to deny the existence of Palestinians. So we'll find all these like creative ways of calling him Arab Israelis or Arabs or whatever, but just not Palestinian.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's fascinating just because it's just another kind of like a more mundane level of erasure that exists within Israel. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we were talking about May 2021, I think that that's when I started I started writing a lot online in English about my experience of being awakened, I guess, to the horrors of the occupation. And why the choice to write in English? I think that I just wanted as many people as possible to be able to see it and understand it. And I knew that on Twitter, there are many Israelis that write in Hebrew about the occupation.

and it's not that that I don't think that you need more of that I mean definitely you need more people speaking up but the content was out there but I'm trying to remember why I did it in English maybe I don't know just I mean my English is good enough to actually articulate these things and I was like wow the world needs to know this that right you know I'm seeing this as an Israeli as as as Jewish Israeli and this is what I think is about it. I just like having people know what I think about things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it makes total sense. I mean, there's just, you know, if you're doing it in Hebrew, it is going to only be for an Israeli audience. Exactly. You know, if you're doing it in English, you're at least going to reach people outside of Israel, you know. Yeah, I also think it's about the realization about the whole issue of Palestinian refugees, Palestinian diaspora, and understanding that I want to engage with these people. And I don't want to keep that whole status quo of Israelis that even though

they want peace or they want justice for Palestinians, but they only see Palestinians as who lives in historic Palestine. And there's millions of people who are Palestinian diaspora who also should be part of the conversation. And I didn't want to perpetuate that kind of idea of, you know, let's talk within us because we're here on the land and they're not really part of this. Right. One of the successes of Zionism is to split the Palestinian people up into all these different essentially interest groups, which is such a debased term. But it's literally people with different material interests because they have different levels of citizenship, freedom, proximity to or distance from, you know, different restrictions. They all had, yeah, they're just

living at different levels of, of autonomy. And that creates all kinds of tension, obviously, within the Palestinian community. And so you're, you being cognizant of that and saying, okay, well, I want to reach people. So I take it from listening to the podcast, you speak directly to your Palestinian listeners sometimes. Yeah. So it has found an audience with them. Is that right? Yeah.

What's interesting is I go into the analytics, and I want to see what are the countries that are listening. and there's no Palestine. So it's very hard to know. I think there's Palestinian territories. Yes. But also like the idea that Palestinians would be listening and they might be citizens of Israel or citizens of the U.S. And then so I don't really know how many Palestinians listen, but I do know that the U.S. and Israel are up there, number one and two, are always like interchanging. Interesting.

That's a lot of the audience and Germany as well. Yeah. Yeah. No, that is, I mean, just, you know, talking about boring analytics talk. It is interesting. We don't get, we have a surprising amount of listeners from the Israel. But not as much as, I mean, Germany is one of our top like countries where people listen, which I think is amazing. And once again, it makes me feel bad about the fact that we have not done a Germany update. It's in the calendar. We will be doing it. But, yeah, do you find that because of, so tell me about before October 7th and after October 7th with regard to this podcast, because obviously the narrative that's been pushed a lot is of the Israeli left, quote unquote, doing the sobering up after the seventh, this idea that they saw, you know, that there was just no. making peace with these people what what uh yeah tell me about what happened before and what happened after with regard to your podcast it's an interesting question because i think that uh those of us those of us meaning israelis that have been paying attention to the occupation before october seventh i don't i think that a lot of people who were really engaged and really understood what was going on, actually, instead of sobering up, what they call sobering up, actually

became, you know, more convinced of what we knew beforehand, which is that no matter how many walls you build and how much force you use and advanced technologies, it's not going to keep us safe. Right. And it's just going to lead to more and more horrible stuff going on. And that's what happened. And so I think that what happened with the podcast. is first of all I felt a need to say something the podcast was a platform where

Israelis could say what they think which is very especially in the first few months was very rare and people were very scared to voice their opinions and scared to talk about the situation in a way that would like you know offends someone because everybody was just so it was just such a shit show right because a lot of people went in the opposite direction if I'm understanding what you mean by sobering up. Like, it seems like there was a lot of people who were like, okay, I'm for coexistence, I'm for, you know, I'm against what Sahel, the IDF does.

I'm against Netanyahu, right? And I think that we should free Gaza or free the West Bank or whatever in some kind of way, vaguely. But then October 7th happens and they're sobering up. It looked like going, falling way off the wagon. Yeah. and like just going on a total nationalism vendor of like, fuck it, you can't with these people.

The same thing that they call it sobering up when it's just like, you mean drunk with rage? I think it's many Israelis that realize that Palestinians were not the perfect victim. And that, you know, and that we are vulnerable in this situation, even if we don't think that we are. Right. Because we have this like strong army and everything.

and we can be hurt. And still, that doesn't mean that the occupation is justified and that any, you know, all the retaliation, of course, that was justified. And I think that I wanted for people to be able to say these things that they feel and be able to voice, you know, their own personal grief and their own, you know, how they were affected. But something that happened not on purpose was that somehow, Without really meaning to many of the episodes since October 7th had some kind of involvement with Gaza. So usually it would be someone who served in the military in a unit that was in charge of bombing or something of the sort.

And I realized that actually Gaza was being put behind this wall for many years for a lot of Israelis, both, you know, in the country. manner and physically. And so, Israelis weren't thinking about Gaza unless there were rockets coming out of Gaza. And it wasn't part of our day-to-day consciousness. And then looking back through these episodes, you realize that actually some people had Gaza on their minds, especially in ways of, you know, when they were engaged in committing the crimes against the Ghazins and then, you know, coming to terms with that. Yeah, there was a very striking moment as everything was unfolding.

In the episode with Aharon, where, so he's a former right-wing settler, right? And a lot of family still there, who's now become a strong anti-Zionist activist and Palestine solidarity activist and doing protecting shepherds and all of, you know, harvesters and things like that. But there is this one moment where he goes to some kind of protest and finds himself in a counter protest. Like he gets a little too close to the outskirts of the left wing group and he finds himself all of a sudden now surrounded by his former Chavra, right? His former community, his peers, right? Notice what happens when I get around in Israeli, all of my residual bargain.

Bargain basement camp vocabularies has to come out. And at that very moment, as he's being yelled at and screamed at as a traitor or whatever by these people who would have been his peers and, in fact, his family and cousins, he gets a text that his younger brother has just been deployed to Gaza. Yeah. I think this is, this story is very much a strong representation of what some Israelis feel. that are actually anti-genocide and are actually trying to resist what's happening in the past year or so and beforehand as well is like these people who are committing these crimes are cousins brothers you know nieces nephews etc friends and so and you realize like

I used to be like them I used to think that was legitimate and that was actually a good thing to go into reserves into Gaza. And what you're describing is just this one kind of microcosm of all that. Yeah. So I have kind of a tough question for you. Okay. Which I'm sure you've faced or heard or at least thought about before. So in a, I've, you know, I'm given to kind of a knee-jerk self-criticism.

Like who am I to say that who cares what I think? like who cares about this podcast thing just a couple of North American Jewish guys with the right politics being you know allegedly funny whatever but people are fucking dying who cares you know like who cares how right we got it maybe the best we can do

is to elevate some voices and so and so forth but we are funny I just want to point that out that's that's the word on the street yeah we're on streets we're funny everyone knows you're funny you're emotionally damaged Jewishly see that I got a sound board and shit how am I not funny

fuck you I don't know who I'm talking to. You're talking to my spreego. I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, I was. And it sounds just like him because he tells me I'm emotionally damaged Jewishly every single day. Emotionally damaged, damaged Jewishly. Did you see that, that's that Yom Kippur sermon from an American rabbi who said that to his

his young congregants who were going to encampments and hosting satyrs at, uh, on campus at Palestine rallies? he called them emotionally damaged Jewishly. We wanted you to be Zionists. That's what we get over here. Yeah, that's what we do. But continue. Right. So I could imagine the following response to a podcast like yours.

I'm not saying it was mine, but someone saying, okay, very nice. There's some Israelis who feel bad. the misdraelis and this is you know Israelis have always been emotional they've always had feelings about what they do right shooting and crying used to be the thing now it's like shooting crying now it's shooting and whitewashing yeah shooting and posting or even or even posting or protesting or even refusing to serve but shooting and podcasting let's say yeah yeah and and and maybe that's what I should call my podcast yeah new name right but just just a sense of for some people

a kind of disinterest in Israeli's internal process about this because the whole thing is moving way too fucking slow anyway and the presence of some some good morally awake

some sad Jews isn't going to move the needle or isn't doesn't seem to be moving the needle hasn't moved the needle right so that kind of saying okay well very nice but that's among y'all we're trying to we're trying to get free here right right right does does that kind of criticism or critique or

whatever the fuck that is does that ever occur to you does that bother you does that what do you have a do you have a response to that kind of um maybe disinterest in israeli moral self-reflection yeah i mean i have these voices in my mind when i'm creating the podcast because i kind of like i i know i've been on social media voicing my opinions for for a few years now and seeing a lot of the comments. So I kind of know, you know, what people's reactions are. Sure. And this is one of them. Yeah.

And I can understand it. I mean, each person is standing in their own shoes. So there might be a Palestinian saying this and being like, I don't give a fuck. And yeah, I get it. If I was Palestinian, maybe I wouldn't give a fuck either. but I'm in my shoes and I'm an Israeli and I'm anti-Zionist and I feel like I'm morally obligated to do whatever I can and people have each person has their own tools to act in the world to try to make a change to voice what they what they want to be voiced I think this is the tool that I use best is is you know, putting these words into the air and hoping that it reaches whoever it needs to be, whoever it needs to reach. Maybe these people are not the people that it needs to reach.

I do know that I've gotten a lot of reactions from Israelis and from Jewish diaspora saying, you know, this podcast made me, you know, gave me a validation that I'm not crazy. that if I'm calling it, you know, a genocide and I want it to stop and I think that, you know, we're doing really bad things, then I'm not delusional. And that's what these people are living because their surroundings are all telling them, you're crazy. You're crazy for having compassion for children in Gaza being bombed and starved. And so one of the things, one of the things that the podcast is meant to do is to tell these people,

hey you're not crazy and there are more of us just like you and if you want to go further with these thoughts and with these you know you're having doubts about certain things in the society that you live in then you know here's validation and here's community and you know you're not alone yeah yeah i have to play this thing you've said it three three or four times i have to we we have a sting for that. I'm not crazy, crazy, crazy. Oh, you have that like pre. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is, it's a whole, it's a whole segment. But yes, that is, I think, you know, that's really interesting to me because I wonder, you know, how much of that feeling of audience paying attention to it because it, they were like, yes, finally, you know, I'm not. crazy before October 7th and after October 7th and how much of that was how Israelis who have felt this way have felt for a long time because there's this there's this thing now where the people that we're talking to on this podcast are not necessarily I mean it's everyone it's not necessarily Israelis who are saying thank you for making me feel less crazy it's almost

It feels like that feeling was exported after October 7th to the rest of the, at least the Western world of like, basically that feeling of you are insane if you in any way are humanizing these people. You're crazy to think that this is something that Israel shouldn't be doing. you know like the main reason people feel they're crazy is because everything that they've been taught you know is crazy right everything they've been taught is crazy and and and people are seeing all of this I mean it's like the morals that we have had like pre-programmed into us whether it's you know via like media whether it's books we read or television we watch movies we see or just like growing up being like here's right and here's wrong um has not seemed to apply in the same way to the Palestinians and I think people uh have felt like they are watching something evil happen and

being told it's not evil and that's making them feel uh gaslit uh to a point of feeling like maybe they're they're losing touch with reality yeah it's interesting to hear that that that there's got to be what, at least some portion of Israelis feel, too, and have felt maybe for a long time. Definitely. And I just want to share this, like, moment that I had years ago, when I saw this activist, this Israeli activist, say online on a video, just like that, I'm against the Zionist regime. And he said, I'm not a Zionist. And I was like, you can say that? Yeah, yeah. You can just say that and like, thunder doesn't hit you? Or lightning?

Was it Jonathan Pollack? No, no, no. Because he's the one who I heard to say, we need to reject not just Israel, but Israelisness. Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I'm not anti-Israel. I'm anti-I-I-I-Iraili. Like, I'm anti-my-own-Israeliness, which was such a striking thing. Who was it?

It was Barack Cohen, which actually very much addresses only the Israeli audience, because he speaks only in Hebrew. Like I said, there are those people out there. And just the world doesn't know about them necessarily because they don't do it in English. But he's one of my... It is a surprising thing. Every time if you, you know, if you translate on Twitter and is really a tweet that's in Hebrew and it says something nice, you're just like, whoa, that's crazy. Like at this point, I'm just used to translating it and I'm being like, is this a lost chapter of mind comf?

It's the way someone wrote. Yeah, they could do a kind of just like, I don't know, for people who have a hard time expressing or experiencing anger, you could just be like, go to Twitter. find a tweet in Hebrew and click translate post. And all of a sudden you'll have like people who haven't spoken for 30 years. People have been in a coma will come out of it like

yeah. Yeah. So this man who I very much look up to him and he's an amazing activist. And he was saying this and I was like, wow, you can just say that and it's okay.

Like I would like to be that for other Israelis as well. I love that. Because I think that the difference between saying, you know, oh, well, you know, Zionism is not what I thought it was. And, you know, the occupation is bad. Like I said, but then going and saying, I am against this political ideology because it is harmful, because it is violent. That's like a, that's like another stretch. That's like another step. And so I and and, uh, refusers who, you know, people who refuse to serve in the military, I'm in touch with one who's in prison right now, not while he's in prison because he's not

allowed to have a phone, but when he, you know, they release him for a day or two and then put him back once in a while. And then he, he says to me, is that day off program available to Palestinian prisoners? No, exactly. But he says, you know, I know that there are other youth considering refusing to serve in the military. And they're, they're probably very confused and they're hearing a lot of voices. from all around and I want them to know you know you can do this here I'm I'm an example

take that so so you want to be that I hope to be that yes I believe the word at summer camp the phrase we used for that is dugma ishit oh wow being a personal a personal example of the of the values or principles you're trying to instill yeah see my summer camp was grades kindergarten through five so we didn't you know we didn't get that we did we did have Khugim. Chugim, interest groups. And, yes. And we also, we had our own version of the Maccabia games.

Yeah. So, you know, we learned about it. Which is a little bit different from the Maccabee-Tel Aviv games. Yes, those are very different. Which we do have to get into because it is just been the, you know, the number one thing that's been screamed at me on Twitter and Instagram recently has been you guys have to talk

about crystal knocked part two electric jugaloo jugaloo Jugaoo, boogoo either one yes

so we will get into that but first we have to take a quick commercial break but everyone please stick around because we will be right back And we're back. This bad ass barra, our guest, Yehav, Errez.

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Fuck! So before we took a quick break. You wanted to brag something. I wanted to brag. I got a message from someone who months ago sent me a message on Facebook. I don't know this person. He said, I've listened to all your podcast episodes and I'm having like a mental, like not a mental breakdown, but he was like, I'm, I don't know how to say this in English. Sometimes a mental breakdown is the kindest thing we can wish for people. Yeah, no, 100%. He's having a mind fuck. That's what I, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's having a

mind fuck he doesn't know what to do he's going into gaza as a as a officer as a combat officer in like he was like in in one day and i don't know what to do and i was like oh my god now it's all on me yeah yeah like um and so i started corresponding with him and i started like talking to him about like okay so what does this mean all of this you know about you taking part in this Anyway, we've been in touch for a few months. He just sends me a few messages once in a while and then just like disappears. And he just sent me a few messages. First of all, a few weeks ago, he sent me a message.

He's like, I'm done. I'm not going back to the military. I'm not going back to reserves. And one of the things he said when he was having his mind fuck was that I don't have anyone to talk to. And a lot of other things. but he just sent me a message saying, you know, I'm, I'm listening to this song. Like, he sends me a song, he's like, I'm listening to this song.

I'm reading about the Nakaba. I'm doing this. I'm doing this. And I'm like, wow. I mean, it's good. That's my bragging. Yeah. That's good.

Yeah. I mean, hey, it is, it is, if we can hope for anything, one of the things we need to hope for is, for all of, for Israelis to refuse. For all Israeli society to change. And also, you know, American society to change as well, obviously. Yeah, I'm not going to pin my hopes on Israeli society changing. No, I hope it does because it changing will make what needs to happen a lot less painful. A lot less painful.

We can start by refusing to take part in the violence. I think that's a good start. Yes. You know, getting people to understand that not only are they, you know, know, creating bad things in the world by serving in the Israeli military, especially now, but they're also sacrificing themselves for somebody else's power game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it is, you know, it's, I think if it were any other country, you'd be like, oh, man, you sure

do use Jews as cannon fodder. Yeah. Yeah, you know, like cannon fodder as in like, you know, putting your own people. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, you're, you're, you are taking Jews and, um, putting them in harm's way to, all for this, you know, alleged future Jewish state in which there is an ethnically cleansed West Bank and, uh, Gaza. And it's like, that's, you know, it's a lot of dead Jews as a, an American, as an American alive Jew, I look at this and I go like, this is, uh, this seems like. not a safe place for Jews. I think it's a very great thing if what you're putting out there in the world can make

people pause. One of the most moving acknowledgments I ever got was just a speech that a friend of my made at my, well, at my wedding when I was married 10 years ago and got divorced soon thereafter. But my favorite part of that wedding was this speech that a friend made who said, Daniel is the kind of person who makes you break bad promises to yourself. Oh. Wow. That is really good.

Yeah, right? And it sounds like your podcast is the kind of podcast that's trying to make a whole country, you know, break bad promises that it's made to itself. I love that. I mentioned Ariel Aisha Azulah's Colnidre sermon that I was able to attend, where she spoke about how that prayer, the Colnidre prayer, is about breaking vows. And you're trying to make break, you're trying to help people break vows they don't even realize they made because it was made for them.

That's right. They never consciously, they never, this person never signed up exactly to become that. Exactly. His life, you know, so. He was born into it. Born into it. So if your podcast can be the twist of fate that allows him to go in a different direction, who knows what the ripple effect of that will be. So that's, you should be proud of that.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And now we need to talk about what's, what's on everyone's mind. and we're talking about Hamasterdam. Hamasterdam is here. I haven't heard that yet. Oh, it's around Hamasterdam.

So, for those of you who don't know. You know what's especially funny about that now? What is? Put it back up? Yeah. You know, it's only one letter away from Hamsterdam. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know.

From the wire. I know. I know. It is very close. This is very bunny Colvin coated. shout out to anyone who watches the wire and enjoys the wire and knows what Amsterdam is season three great season but so over the past week last week in Amsterdam there was there was a there was a crystal a night of broken glass

there was a crystal knocked everyone's been talking about it and I of course have a I have a sting for it. So we're going to be talking about Crystal Dog. Did you do all that? Oh, yeah, I did that. Wow. Shout out to I movie. Those of you who are only listening, you don't know what you missed.

You don't know what you miss there, but keep listening. Doesn't matter. Okay, so in Amsterdam, as a part of some sort of soccer match that is an American, I do not know, about some sort of cup. In Amsterdam, there was a match between the local team. it's spelled Ajax but I think it's Ajax

and MacCath I'm sorry Dutch is the weirdest language in the world Yeah very strange I feel like Dutch and Brazilian Portuguese Oh man Don't get me start on Portuguese

I'm going to say some offensive things It does not It sounds like someone who is It sounds like a French guy trying to speak Spanish who is also hearing impaired.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, it does. Let's offend everyone. I'm sorry. We love you, fourth largest country in the world. We love you. You know what I mean?

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. So there was this match between these football clubs. And before the match even began, there was reports of Israelis on the streets going buckwild in Amsterdam and not in the way

that is like legally allowed. And let's just say football fandom is hooliganism already, like the baseline for being a soccer fan, especially one who travels to other countries to see your team, is that you're already an obnoxious asshole. Right, right. And so, you know, I think if this were a story, about uh hooligans getting into fights um you know whatever the political ramifications of it i don't think it would have um had as much of an impact if it wasn't specifically um

hasbarocoded the fact that it was Israelis and the fact that there was kind of the classic shoot and cry uh you know like way shoot score shoot score and cry yeah except in this case I don't know that they even scored. I think they might have even lost 5-0. No, yeah. No, yeah. I don't even know, like, what the game was open in? I think it was 5-0.

Yes, so this is the box score. Just for people, this is the most important part of the story, is you have to know that they lost 5-0-0. It's called, it's nil, Matt. It's nil is nothing. That's what this was all about. That's what it was about. And here's the box score.

I mean, look, they're just getting, they just got their fucking asses kicked. And so the the Dutch team had possession 62.3% of the time. I want to make some kind of joke about land possession. Yeah, yeah. But I can't quite make it. The problem is the percentages are actually, they don't mirror that. No, they don't. Not enough.

Not enough. The Israelis couldn't get the ball out of area C. Yes. It's more like 99 and 1. Yeah. Yes. But the, you know, the hooliganism started before the actual game happened. And just from, you know, reports, the first incidents were reported on Wednesday

the day before the match. And police say that McAbee fans tore down a Palestinian flag from a building, burned it and shouted, fuck you, Palestine. There was a taxi driver who had his taxi vandalized and was threatened and apparently went on the radio to tell other taxi drivers, hey, we got some psychopathic Israelis out here so be careful if you are in any way Arab looking and then of course we had these

chants that were happening which were just I mean what else can you call them but genocidal and here's a little bit of it so if you ignore o'le

o'le oh oh oh so if you ignore the Olaes, in between the Olaes, there is, let the IDF win, we will fuck the Arabs, and apparently also in different chance saying that there are no children in Gaza, talking about no schools in Gaza, just like, I don't know what to call it other than genocidal shit. This is the usual stuff that we see in Israel happening all the time. And this team in particular attracts this kind of. This team and other teams.

Other teams, too. I can only imagine it's worse, because this is, this is Maccabee, this is Tel Aviv. This is the Tel Aviv team. What's the, what's the Jerusalem team like? Actually, it's interesting because there's Maccabi Tel Aviv. Yeah. There's Hapoil Tel Aviv, which were always, traditionally, Maccabi was more on the right, and Hapoil were very much the Marxist lefties.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, the labor. And then there's Jerusalem, there's Beitari, which are considered the most racist, the most, you know, they're like the worst. And then there's like, hapoil, Jerusalem, which are considered, like, the most radical to the left. So basically, Jerusalem is like an amplifier of everything of Tel Aviv. Like, Tel Aviv is like, yeah, we're kind of right. We're kind of left.

And Jerusalem's like, no, no, we're going to go all the way. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that's, I think there's no perfect example of, uh, what liberalism hath wrought upon the minds of people than when you're like, you're like, listen, we're in the center between like, you know, genocide and less genocide. But, yeah, so Amsterdam has a large Muslim community, and they apparently have allowed more than 2,500 protests against the war in Gaza so far this year. And so this is a place that has,

people who are pro-Palestine, who are not just like anti-Zionists, but pro-Israel. Like people who are, I'm sorry, pro-Palestine, people who are out there constantly throughout the year. And the idea of going there and being like, let's burn the Arabs, let the IDF win, is, and then doing actual, like, violence is, I don't think it's anything else. other than taunting and asking for... Well, and how does Israeli culture prime and prompt fans like that to behave when they get abroad? I mean, one of the things that really comes through when you listen to Israelis talk who have been disillusioned, like on your podcast, is the sense of hermetic, bunkered superiority to the rest of the world and a kind of indifference and, curiosity about what the world thinks but a profound hyper awareness that they all hate us and so what like can you speak to the the sort of what probably some of these fans had never left Israel this

might have been their first trip away what are they what is that what is that attitude that they go to the airport with you know it's really ironic because I've been looking through a lot of the comments the comments of Israelis on the Israeli propaganda the Israeli hasbaran about this... Oh my God, did you just hear... That's the first time that word has been accurately pronounced. Pronounced correctly? On the bad Hezbarra podcast.

We call Hasbara! It's funny, there's different... You know, like, there's different... There's three different pronunciations among our audiences. There's... My way. Hazbara, yeah. Then there's...

We say bad Hezbara. And most of the Arabs in Palestine... that I know who listen to the show call it bad Hasbara. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. By the way, Hasgvara is mansplaining. Oh, because given is man. So, Hasgvara.

Oh, I love it. But I like that about Hebrew because it's such a... You can play. You can play because it's built on such simple building blocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The ways you can substitute words in and do place on words. It's good. Anyway, so you were saying...

It can play, but not soccer. Right, right, right. So anyway. I was reading through the comments of all the Israeli Hasbara, and so many of the comments were something along the lines of, look, Europe, you deserve what you, you know, this is what you deserve for letting all those Arabs and Muslims into your countries. Now you're going to eat, in Hebrew you say,

now you're going to eat the porridge that you cooked. And so, and this is so much of this, like, anti-immigrant sentiment that was very strong. First of all, it's very strong. Whenever you see white supremacy, you'll see all this like, all those immigrants are coming and they're doing this and they're doing that.

But it's like, this is like Germany in the late 30s. 100%. Like, oh, Europe is being taken over by all these Muslims. But in those words, exactly. Europe is being eaten up by this like Muslim cancer. This is like literally what I've seen. And so many people repeat this. And it's like, do you not notice that you're just repeating this, this is the exact parallel of anti-Semitism in Europe.

The people who will be saying this about Muslims are going to be saying that about Jews and have said it about Jews. And so they don't see how much they're internalizing the white supremacy. Yeah. And I think there, you know, my thoughts about that specifically are, well, that's what happens when you are at the top tier of a supremacist society is when you're, you know, when you. you are the top tier in America. If you are, you know, a white Christian, for example, who is make up the majority of, you know, everything in this country, right? This is why you see this kind of aggrieved, you know, like anti-Christian thing among right-wing conservatives, where they're always like, you know,

I saw a Starbucks Cup that said, happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas. you know what is this anti-Christian bias or they'll talk about like you know racist anti-white you know fucking uh marvel movies and stuff like like the things that they consider to be oppressing them are laughable to any group that's actually being oppressed within the country you see this with Israelis all the time but the thing is is they have a narrative that they can glom onto in which they can I feel like pretend that they don't live in a supremacist society. In fact, the only society is all of history.

And because of all of history, you know, we are perpetually the victim in every case. And therefore, they can say things like, we need to, you know, deport all the Muslims and the Arab cancer. It's like speaking of all of history, like it's a little odd to me that their line isn't. You hear Europe, you're getting what you deserve for crowding our people into ghettos. and cattle cars and killing us and, you know, and exterminating us. No, that doesn't seem to be their beef. Their beef is you're not white enough. Yeah.

And now you're going to get what you deserve for not doing what we do. Right. Because we learned the right lesson from the Holocaust. We became white. We became white. In the essence of the white, in the hierarchy of the white supremacy, we created an ethno-national state where we can be the white people. Right.

Whether we're really actually physically white or not, but we're the white people of that state. And let's be clear, a lot of Maccabi Tel Aviv's constituency is Mizrahi. Yeah, I don't know how, like, really the makeup. Right. But the whiteness is accrued not by actual skin. Yeah, it is important to mention that whiteness is not in and of itself, like, defined by color or colorism, especially in Israel. But this is not that, you know, that's why when people say white supremac, it's not white. there's all these Middle Eastern, all these Middle Eastern Jews. And it's like, oh, yes, therefore it is, it is no longer anything bad.

It's not longer settler colonialism. Yes, right. Because you are dark. Yes, yes. This is all the confused, you know, like liberalism, identity essentialism that is, you know, makes people question their own sanity. Go ahead. Yeah, I just want to say there's, you brought someone on the podcast, it just happens to be that knows nothing about soccer.

I am the most uninterested about soccer. So it's very hard. I didn't even know what the name was of the team that played against Maccabitav even until you mentioned it. Do you guys call it soccer or do you guys call it football? Well, it depends. I mean, we call it Cadwagel.

Yeah, football. Which is ball foot. Ball of the foot. Ball of the foot. You call football. But I don't know. I think it depends on. if you, if, who taught you English was, um, like British or American. Or American. Sure.

Sure. Sure. Um, but yeah, it is, it has been interesting to see because the reaction, um, obviously to the constant, uh, taunting, the racist and genocidal taunting and, um, you know, physical acts of vandalism and violence that the, uh, hooligans, the Israeli hooligans were doing caused, uh, a reaction. And it was the reaction that was played the most on, uh, uh, television and i have uh just some video compilation of all the reactions now sending at least two rescue planes to amsterdam to evacuate citizens after several were injured in violent anti-semitic attacks immortal authorities are condemning as anti-semitic attacks now you know how it feels there videos circulating online showing an anti-semitic mob chasing a man down

we have to warn you here heads up this report contains some pretty graphic images attack, throwing to the rivers, throwing us flash bombs. We are frightened to go in the streets. We are frightened. You know, it's pure anti-Semitism. Vision reportedly showing Jewish soccer fans hunted like animals. I'm going to show you a bit, but a warning, it is very distressing. Oh, sorry.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I accidentally, I spliced in a, I don't know, an orangutan drinking his own piss. That's my bad. This is my bad. That's my bad. Yeah, it was immediately called a pogrom, an anti-Semitic attack, Crystal Knocked Part 2.

So what did happen? Like what really happened? What really happened was that there was, so witness accounts and screenshots of mobile phone message exchanges suggest that there were some people who were targeted as Jews, according to the Guardian, or asked if they were Jewish or asked to show their passports. False reports circulated that Maccabee supporters had gone missing or had been taken hostage. There were five people who are hospitalized, 20 to 30 slightly injured. Footage has

also emerged of Maccabee supporters close to Amsterdam Central Railway Station setting off fireworks, chanting anti-Palestinian slogans, taking iron scaffolding tubes and wooden planks from buildings to use his weapons. Other footage shows them running through the streets swinging belts at people. There was what it was was street fights.

These were you know, it was it was hooliganism. This is what it was. And this is not to you know let, you know, anyone off the hook who was, if anyone was going around asking who's Jewish and

beating someone, you know, obviously I don't let anyone off the hook for any of this behavior. The problem is, and this has always been the problem with Israeli propaganda and the way that Israel is seen and, you know, talked about in Western media, is that you can't have just hooligan fights without Israel. If anyone has hurt from Israel, if there's anyone who is caught up in violence, who is Jewish, immediately it is the next Holocaust. And to a degree in which people, at least, you know, in the media, were losing their minds at this. They were talking about this like it was Crystal Knock. They were calling it a pogrom.

They were calling it everything other than what it was, which was that a bunch of racist Israeli soccer fans talk shit and got hit. I mean, were there any Dutch or European Jews who got targeted? I have no. I have no evidence of this. I have only witness accounts. Let's say that there were. Yeah, yeah. Let's just say for the second.

If there weren't, then it's just patently and completely absurd. Yes. A pogrom is against residents of a place. Yes. Minority residents of a place. Yes. By mobs of people in power or affiliated with power. Which sounds very familiar to me after watching hundreds of videos.

of Israeli settlers attacking, invading Palestinian villages. That's exactly the definition of what you just said. Yaha stopped denying the Holocaust. Unbelievable. Your eyes and ears deceive you, anything you've seen with your own eyes. Nope. Yeah. Eyes?

Why do you think it rhymes with lies? pogroms only happen on the, there's a force field. It can only happen in Europe. That's right. It actually can't happen. Oh, if you're not in Europe, it's not a problem. It's a Russian word. It's a...

I mean, I don't know if it's a Russian word, but I definitely know it is a European phenomenon and it can only happen in Europe and only to Jews. Get with the pogrom. That's the next name for Badhusband. Or I was thinking, and now back to our regularly scheduled program. But let's say it's true that some...

Let's even say, here's me like spinning. ending out to like a nightmare scenario, right? Yeah. Based on the original facts. The Israeli soccer fans come over. They act like a bunch of fucking Nazis, right? Like hooliganism plus ethno-s supremacist genocidal chanting plus property destruction and all the and just all of the kind of obnoxious, bad tourist etiquette that Israelis are

known for all over the entire world, no offense. I think it was worse to that. You know the worst tourists in the world, right? Yeah, yeah, which I am right now. I'm a tourist right now. No, you're great. You're going great. Except for that whole custom aisle earlier, you're doing pretty good.

Because for much of the world, the experience of welcoming Israelis to you is welcoming a bunch of teenagers either in between Army and, sorry, high school and the Army getting something out of their system before they go do a bunch of horrible shit or right after the Army basically spreading their PTSD all over the world and or trying to forget about it doing ayahuasca in Indonesia on the beach and polluting and littering and being assholes. Anyway, this is just what I've heard. But let's just say that that, okay, that set off a wave of anti-Jewish terror. A wave of, okay, a wave of reaction, right?

And in the reaction, some people with more broadly anti-Semitic views about the Jews in their midst, the Dutch Jews that they live with, went out on the street and started looking for Jews to beat. And I heard that they were chants like cancerous Jews being chanted. Let's say, okay, still, to call that a pogrom is very strange to me. And as one Israeli actually posted, right, Leor Mary says, and this is the auto-translate from his Hebrew post, which starts with Ken, Ken. Yes, yes, it is known that before Kristlnacht, the Jews marched through the streets of Berlin and sang with pleasure about how they would fuck the Germans and tore German flags from the windows of houses, while in a country they did not yet have, the Jewish army killed for a year,

two to three percent of the population of a city that was full of Germans. It's one to one the same thing, Kristallnacht Alec, which is an Arabic drive word meaning give me a fucking break. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's exactly it. And if you go back to pogroms, which happened long before the Holocaust, right, in Russia, like, these incidents against Jews were not triggered by a bunch of obnoxious Jews coming from across the ocean and burning shit. Like there was, the provocation was Jews, we want you out of here, period. Right. And that's not to say that like there weren't incidents of like Jewish immigrants doing like crime or whatever. Like, you know, just like any other group, the difference is is that who is in power and who is not in power and who is wielding the power of the state versus who isn't. And in this case, to call, I mean, at this point, I have trouble even accepting the basic premise that if you're Israeli,

no offense that you have a right to talk about anti-semitism. If you're someone who lives within a society that is where you are at the top tier, it's like, you know... I'm sorry, can I have your ID-Semitism card, please? Yeah, please. I'm going to have to say, this is what we call for you. And I say that with full recognition of my own privilege as a white person in America, where it's like,

I see the same thing happening with white Jews in America where they are all the sudden, you know, being like, well, I'm, you know, as a person of color, I know a lot what it's like to feel anti-Semitism and to feel racism against my people. And I just go, like, I'm sorry, but you cannot co-opt the anti-Semitism of the past and try to apply that to now if you are an American white Jew. And you cannot do it either if you're in Israeli. I feel like we, we, not only is it like just factually inaccurate to what the power dynamic is at play. But it is also akin to essentially like Holocaust denial.

Like we are, you know, we've talked a lot about comparing things to the Holocaust as being, you know, pure anti-Semitism. Yeah, it used to be never, yeah, it used to be never compare. Right. Unless it's, unless it's something that's happening to a group of Israeli who. Ooligans at a soccer game. It's just crazy to me. It's crazy. And it's not to say, obviously, that you don't know what it's like to experience anti-Jewish sentiment.

But when the power structure is set up where it is very clear, the Jews, quote unquote, in this equation are the Palestinians, that it's kind of like, I don't know, it feels, it feels. it feels different. It doesn't feel like a fair representation. I also want to add that even if there were some of these fans that weren't taking part in all of the, you know, hooligan activity and were attacked, I'm sure there were at least a few of those. I'm sure.

And still, the difference between what happened to those people and anyone who was attacked and what the Israeli media is presenting to us is just, it's crazy. It's absurd. What are you seeing in the Israeli media? I mean, I brought you some screenshots. Oh, yeah. But it's just, well, first we have.

I can't even. Yeah, first we have this. This is just commentary. It's not media, but it's just like it kind of explains everything. Yeah, this is a cartoon, Amsterdam. In one side, it's 1938, and you see, you know, some Nazi shit happening on the other side. It is 2024. for, and you see a bunch of...

The Palestinian flag with shit on it. Yeah, I love that. You drew the cartoon, but someone had to make it clear that they think Palestine sucks. So someone superimposed... A poop emoji. A poop emoji on top of the flag. And there are a bunch of Palestinian dudes beating up an Israeli soccer fan. And, you know, in terms of, like, some of the posts that I've seen on here, I mean, you gave me a few.

you know, I'm this, this, I'm not sure if this is Israeli media or not, but this is a, a, a, uh, a social media, uh, social media, uh, social media, Marney Perlstein says, if you think the word pogrom only applies to periods in history like 1881, 1917 or 1938, have a look at Amsterdam today. Um, sure, bro. Um, oh, this one's good. Yeah, so what does this say? What is, what is, what is Ron Kobe saying? It's, he's, he's, he's, he's saying. He's, he's, he's saying, Anne Frank is crying in the sky, Israeli flag emoji. That reminds me of Michael Rappaport's tweet. He's like, you know what the saddest part of this is?

Amsterdam is where Anne Frank had to hide. Do you ever heard about her? Have you heard about her? I read about her. She's the only Jew I've ever heard of who lived in Amsterdam's. Guess the Amsterdam's is broken. and now anti-Semitism is it's Amsterdam-damaged, okay

Unfortunately I think a lot of Israelis also have only heard about Anne Frank and that's why this is the reference because she's the most famous You know, a Holocaust, not survivor. Yeah, yeah, a victim. Victim. And there were many more in Amsterdam,

but I mean, I don't think they really did the, you know, because she's just like this icon. Yeah, of course. So they're just like co-opting it to use it. I don't know. I don't think she's crying in heaven because I mean, she's crying in heaven. I don't think she's crying in the sky.

I mean, she wouldn't even know about it. She's hit up in an attic. Like she's not. The sky is a giant act. She has no view of the street. She doesn't know what's going on down there. She did have a hole in the, I read the book. She had a hole in the attic where she could see the sky and she was writing about it.

She could see the sky. But could she see the attacks on Israeli soccer hooligans in the street? She couldn't see that. She has no idea. Oh, can you imagine? I'm just like, it is, it is so, there's something about, like, the, the saccharin sentimentality of, like, Israeli posts where, you know, because it's like half of them, you translate them and it just, like, kill them all, drink their blood. And you're just like, Jesus Christ, what are you doing to us? Like, you're making every Jew, fuck their mothers to bring Messiah, like.

Yeah, yeah. And I'm just like, you're making me unsafe, motherfucker. And then the other half is, uh, uh, golden mayor is in the sky and she, her tears weep down on everybody. And you're just like, I don't think you're sad. I don't, I think you're, I think you're making shit up. Well, fascism is a very sentimental ideology. Sure. You know, and they have to, they have to feel something like sadness.

They have to, they have to put their grief somewhere. You need a narrative. but in terms of like Israeli media like here's here's something what's going on in this one okay Holland is you know so er it how do you say I'm having a hard time translating simultaneously Holland is going crazy because of the pogrom of the the Maccabi fans the mayor of Amsterdam will have a emergency meeting, the leader of the right, it's not acceptable that there wasn't protection from the police. In the media, they demanded to fly an Israeli flag. I think there was something on the bottom. I'm not sure. Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah. It's like...

It's basically saying, you know, the right wing politicians in Europe. are protecting us, yeah, which is true. Yeah, which is a bad sign. Yeah, that's always a bad sign. I don't know why they're like flying that as their flag, like waving that as their flag. Yeah, and can you, you sent a few images our way, can you tell me what's going on in this one? Oh, okay, this is hilarious. So that's Van Gogh.

Yes. And it says there are no innocent people in Amsterdam. Oh, no one. wonder they have such solidarity with Gaza. Yeah, exactly. Makes sense. There's no innocent people in Gaza either. Yeah, that's perfect.

Oh, man. I wonder if Israeli... That's why they did the pogrom because they're the same. They're all Hamas. They really got to stop. Oh, okay, I get it all now. They got to stop flying to places where there's no innocent people. And is that a real Van Gogh?

Or is that just some kind of AI Van Gogo? That's a good question. Vango's crying with shame and guilt. Vango's crying in the sky. He's cutting his other ear off in the sky over his own. I'm so anti-Semitic. It's so amazing. Just like...

Give us more, Matt. Yeah. Oh, amazing, amazing. Okay, what, tell me what's... Let me see if I can translate this. So this is the... Halev Shelanu. Wait, before I'm going to say, who posted this.

Okay, please. This is the Hebrew Academy, like the Academy for the Hebrew language, okay? They usually have really good social media, by the way. They've got some cool stuff But this is, they're saying Halve Shalhanu's Suhayom, you're right Our heart is sad today No, our heart is yellow today

Oh yellow. Because Macavi Tel Aviv is yellow and blue. This is on a blue backdrop. What is sad? Atsuv. Atsuv. Yeah, yeah, it gets confusing. We are strengthening the fans

of Maccabi Tel Aviv. This is one of the first things I saw. I love my heart is sad. Again, it's just like the... We're hugging them. Just over the, like, the racist hooligans of the Maccabee, Tel Aviv fans where they're just like, if I had arms that could reach far enough. I would play handball on your heart. I would play handball on your heart.

But also the Academy for the Hebrew language. When's the last time the Academy for the English language tweeted something? Yeah, I know. No, it's actually, I mean, I'm saying they have really good, like, active social media. This is an institution. This is a official institution. Yeah. It's like, and they didn't even wait to figure out like what was.

No, no. We're with the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans. It was immediate. And this is the interesting thing about all this is how immediate like the response was to it. I mean, we had like President Biden, who was still president by the way. Really? Yeah. No, it's crazy because I didn't even know.

He wrote, the anti-Semitic attacks on Israel. soccer fans in Amsterdam are despicable and echo dark moments in history when Jews were persecuted. What are you doing, Matt? Biden, circa 2018? I mean, you got to read it more like... Oh, sorry.

We've been in touch of Israel. We've been in touch of Israel and Dutch officials. We appreciate those stories to make sure the perpetrators accountable holding. We must relentlessly fight anti-Zionism. Anti-Semitism. whenever it goes, all right?

It's great. It's not a big deal. It's easy, you guys. The history around this. Justin Trudeau also piped off about it. Oh, yeah. Justin Trudeau? Do I have that?

I mean, it's just like, and I think the narrative that has been kind of nuts about this, is this airlifting narrative? That was the big thing. It was all of a sudden there was an airlift. We have to airlift the Jews. sending planes to get the Jews out of there. Yes. It isn't just like...

There's going to be a movie about this. Oh my God. This idea of because it's not just like, all right, guys, you know, pack it up, let's get home. Because apparently, by the way, there was like obviously off-duty, you know, IDF agents, IDF soldiers there. There was also Mossad with them. Mossad was with them, accompanying them, you know, for security reasons, right? Like, it was, I mean, this is, it was just very clear the, you know, the amount of security that they had was for a reason. It's kind of like, you know how they should have chosen for what's the spin? Want to be starting something.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how there's Bridezilla? Yeah. So it's kind of like, you know, soccer zilla or I don't know. Like, it's just, it's just this drama queening about, just such drama about. There's such drama. about uh hooligans soccer hooligans fighting each other basically it's and it's nuts and

and i i realize so there's a we have a little bit of uh shy davidai that i want to put oh good yes uh our mr we are not okay mr super not okay right now um he was uh you know he was making one of his videos and uh here's here's here's a little bit of shy for us I just met a guy, Jewish guy, on the subway. We got to talking about Amsterdam and everything that's going on. We just got to talking about the fact that Israel sent planes to help evacuate those that are being attacked. And this guy said something brilliant. And I think it's so, so, so smart.

And his name was Tyler Durden. Yeah, he was Tyler Durden. Well, it's his own alter ego, is what I'm saying. For a Jewish homeland, it's this, that we are able to go. and save ourselves when we need to. What? Right? So thank you jihadists for attacking us and showing the world why we need Israel.

Thank you so much for globalizing the Intifada because now everybody knows why we need Israel. Wow, wow, wow. That was just like that was the state of Israel just he was saying out loud with what the propagandists. Right. It's like you have to understand this is incredibly, this is an incredible. incredibly basic, like, a pillar of Zionism, you know, so, like, for him to be like, hey, you just showed the world why we need a state. Thank you. Thank you for that.

Not that all actions taken outside of Israel to make it unsafe for Jews everywhere in the world have not been expressly done for almost that exact purpose to be like, see, you know, it's a lot of anti-Semitism. Guess you got to move to Israel. And I will say, there's something also immensely more like scary about this because like the other thing I was thinking was like how within their rights

do Israelis in the or does the Israeli government feel in attacking another country for a perceived pogrom? You know what I mean? Like there's

not to say that this is something I think is necessarily going to be an issue in the Western world. I mean, they attack Arabs. They'll do that. You'll attack Arab countries. But just the idea that, like, you know, you're buying the narrative that this is a pogrom.

You're buying that it's crystal knot. And then you're going on camera and you're being like, we needed to airlift them. What if those planes also decided to attack? You know what I mean? It's like, you wonder if shy would be like, hey, if we have to, you know, if we have to carpet bomb San Francisco to get the Jews safe out of there.

I mean, I'm not saying this is something that could happen, but it's this like twisted logic of Zionism in which you are claiming to protect Jews of the world via your military. By provoking incidents on foreign soil and then going and showing that you can try it. It's a very dangerous game. It is. It does, I think, represent to a certain extent, a kind of show. I'm not saying they've never done this before, but a kind of, now the Hasbara battleground is everywhere. We're going to go to these places where people have been protesting as citizens in its own country

against their government's support for us. We're going to go to their land. We're going to start some shit. We're going to cry victim. We're going to post, you know, crying Anne Frank memes. And then we're going to send in our special. operations. Yeah, that's going to end well. Yeah, I know. Nothing could possibly go terribly wrong there. Nothing could ever go terribly wrong to bounce back on Jewish safety in those

places. Yeah, in the, the fucking trope of Jews being a fifth column, agents for a foreign government, that's not going to get reinforced by that. I know. One of the comments was like, we should, you know, we should bomb Gaza, we should do this, we should do this, take over all of, you know, the Palestinians, and then we should go and expand over there. Oh, do it. And I was like, oh my God, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you? Well, but their purpose actually is to make Jews unsafe everywhere.

Because the more safe Jews are, the more it validates you. It's like Shia. Yeah, yeah. Shia La Week. He's like, he is straight up doing, he is doing what Zionism, you know, the narrative about Zionism is always said, which is that like this is why we need Israel and and this is just the the bombings the the synagogue bombings in Baghdad that Israel was yeah plausibly involved in the 1950s were also why Israel was needed yes and and

it's like it is why you know nothing drives me more crazy than the narrative the mainstream narrative about Israel being like they fight against anti-Semitism because I'm just like they create it you create it where it doesn't exist like yes it's just I saw posts of um people that like Israelis that live in Amsterdam and they're like I've never experienced anything like this or even similar to this I've been living here for years yes what is this bullshit like yeah I'm I'm openly Jewish and Israeli and nobody cares because I'd rather be Jewish and Israeli here than in the country I was born in. Yeah. And like, and I've never felt unsafe and this is bullshit. And it's like,

it's fucking crazy. And just the last word here will be from, uh, this post that was written by a Jewish anti-Zionist network over in Amsterdam versus a little intro on that. The anti-Zionist Jewish collective, uh, Ereve Rav. I'm saying Rav. I'm saying Rav. I get called that a lot. on social media it's oh yeah well that's that's a great thing what does it mean evening it's it's kind of hard to explain but it's basically like saying you're not really a you're a you're a what's it called in a harry potter they call it a muggle you're a muggle you're not really you're a half breed yeah okay yeah they call exactly but you're not really jewish yes yeah this is

something about uh like there's a certain group of people who are uh not actually jews they are um infiltrators from like biblical times. Yeah, yeah. They kind of stuck to the Jewish people and since then they've been with them and now they're the ones that are anti-Zionists. Exactly, exactly. Sto-ways, okay, got it.

Yeah, it's a way of de-legitimizing. But let's see. In the anti-Zinish Jewish collective, Eirav, in the Netherlands, canceled their Kristallak remembrance in Amsterdam, quote, the heavy presence of Zionists Israelis in the city with intent of continuing acts

of violence means that they, quote, cannot guarantee the safety of speakers and attendees. And here is their post. The city of Amsterdam deserves better. Thank you. Aravravrave strongly condemns the Amsterdam police's handling of recent events involving football fans over two consecutive nights in the city.

We are deeply concerned that instead of restraining groups who cause disturbances in the city, including tearing down Palestinian flags from private residences and engaging in racist chanting, the police allowed the situation to escalate into widespread street violence. It is troubling that arrests were selective, primarily targeting local Moroccan youth

who confronted these groups while Maccabi fans who initiated provocations faced no consequences. Right, it is important also to remember that part of a pogrom, one of the essential elements is that the police actually either participate or don't, or kind of like look the other way. And so they're trying to,

trying to claim a pogrom when it was the police with the police's help that they were getting a bunch of like Moroccan you know fucking Amsterdamers arrested you know and yeah so the police were not arresting the maccabee fans or arresting everybody else um there was another one I have to say by push IL which is like a like a news kind of agency more like a tabloid slash news. Yeah. And they say Amsterdam 2024, just like the Black Sabbath, meaning just like October 7th. Yeah. They call October 7th. They're calling you a Black Sabbath? They do. You didn't know that. Oh, well, now I know what I'm going to have to pick for the... You're missing on. You're missing out. You've been missing out. You've needed me to come earlier. Seriously. But yeah, it's like that

and October 7th are not the same thing. Yeah. I'm offended on behalf of the Israeli victims of October 7th. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. Like, like, that's how that's, that's how ridiculous that comparison is. I'm actually offending. I'm like, stop defiling the sacred memory of the October 7th victims. It takes a lot for me to say that. Uh, also, do we need to wrap? We do need to wrap, uh, but I also just want to say, um, it makes sense that they call it Black Sabbath, uh, because the song paranoid is basically about that. That's, uh, and war pigs. I just have to one last one last one. Okay. It's a, uh, the, the leader of of the right in in holland yes he says we've become the gaza of europe oh that's kind of

muslims with Palestinian flags are hunting Jews I will not accept this so basically he's saying Muslims with Palestinian flags have become the IDF of Europe yeah yeah that's what he's saying that's what he's saying if you're the Gaza of Europe it's a complete misunderstanding like you have to be so in another reality that you have to that you can't even do analogies right that's right What the fuck is wrong with it? We have to end. On that note. On that note.

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