Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 65: Skinamadink, with Alon Nissan-Cohen & Elik Harpaz

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Matt and Daniel are joined by Alon Nissan-Cohen and Elik Harpaz from the Yalla! podcast to survey what to call a Jew on a certain plot of stolen land, the tamest, lamest graffiti ever graffiti’d, and getting drummed out of the hasbara child soldier brigade for asking too many questions.Please donate to Middle East Children’s Alliance: https://www.mecaforpeace.org/Elik Harpaz: https://www.youtube.com/@elik_harpazAlon Nissan-Cohen: https://www.youtube.com/@HebrewCanaaniteSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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White foster us. Sabra Hamas. As far as us. What up those? What up, do! And welcome to Bad Hezbara. Mashlomachim, everybody. Welcome to the world's most moral podcast. Yes, we are so excited to be here with you all here. I'm going to be busting out so much gratuitous Hebrew today. It's just ridiculous.

I can't help it. I get around these people, and I, you know, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean these people? What do you mean people? what do you mean these people i mean citizens and residents of a particular country that you and i spend a lot of time talking shit about and acting like we don't give a shit about that's right and acting like we may even rather see the whole thing crumble which yeah very well may i mean crumble like we're over it you know and acting like they're just a big joke to us yes but then i get around them and i'm like Manishma. You're like, Macoray. Macoray. It's like I'm walking around with like my Ulpan test, wanting them to grade it, you know?

Yes, yes. Tell me how good my Hebrew is. Yeah. This is going to be two in a row, two at least of the free podcasts, in the free podcast feed in a row, in which we have some Israelis joining us all the way from the land of Palestine. I think we're supposed to put Israelis in quotation marks,

you know, Israelis. Well, I was going to ask them what their preference is. It is not Rayleys or Israelis. Those are the options. Those are the only options. Yes. Very excited to have them on. But before we get there, let's first shout out to our producer, Adam Levin, on the ones and twos.

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YouTube channels where if you subscribe it means you definitely watch because our numbers are the same. Pigies mobilize, Adam says. But so like everyone who subscribes actually does watch. As opposed to most YouTube channels have like

tons of subscribers and only a fraction of that is an actual like engaged base. You're right. So I mean I don't know. Listen, I would like to have a nice cushion of like let's say let's call it a million. Let's call one million subscribers. on YouTube. I think we're worthy of it. I think we deserve it. I think we do something so special, which is like we talk about a subject that other people talk about, but we say come. Who else does

that? And sometimes we let babies say it for us. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I fuck, I wish I still had that. Wait, I do. Do not come. Do not come. I want you to come. you know it's it it's the it's the gravitas of an everett's said novel with the pure oil bathroom humor and cheap sonic uh jokes of an a m drive time you know morning zoo radio show yeah it's opi and anthony and edward Oh, yes. I love it. It's Kevin and Bean in the morning. Our guest is Elon Pape. How's going, Elon? It's great. I'm happy to be here. So, I almost call you Adam. Daniel. That's my name. What's my name?

Daniel, mate. Please tell me what's spinning? Well, today the spin is, I decided just to break out some old, look, man, I have a soft spot for like old school Israeli music. I really do. There was a time. There was a time in the early days of Israel. And I'm not saying this, this music is not problematic. It probably is. But I got some albums that my parents used to play the spin this shit for me when I was a kid. I hope it's Jerusalem of gold. I do not, no, I don't have anything like post. La la la la la la la la la la la la la the holy ryan an ekelo or some shit i don't know well done no i know you know more words than i do um no this is pre 67 so this is pre triumplist and that's what i like about it this is some stuff and like it feels like in and our guests will have more context from me than i will and they can tell me if i'm being if i'm romanticizing this shit more than it should be but there was a time when there was a time when they

there was in parallel with all the ethnic cleansing and dispossession of Palestinians and all that shit and laying the ground. It was also a sense of in-gathering of different Jewish strands from all over the world. You know, the cultural Zionist project of a homeland where different kinds of music and dance and whatever. Yes, there was a lot of myth building and a lot of the dance was also fascist-coded. But anyway, so I got, this is just some records I got this. If I'm not going to play them today, when?

So I've got Trio Arava, which is a really cool. Look at these dudes. Let me see him. Oh, hell, yeah. Yo. Just like. Shimon and Gortfonkel and some other guy. Shimon and Garponkel.

That's great. Look at this woman. Shoshana Damari sings the Songs of Israel. Damn. She's kind of hot, too. She is kind of hot. This is Moschiko, who is a Yemeni, Israeli choreography. photographer. We used to dance to some of his stuff at

Israel at Zinas summer camp. There's some great Arabic and Yemeni music on here, Ladino music. Speaking of Ladino, the Parvaream, this is my absolute favorite, Judeo-espaniol song. Oh, yeah. The Iberian Peninsula, you know, and you'll see some stuff in Hebrew. But again, just this era of a kind of cultural renaissance happening that has some real beauty to it and real

craft and great voices and great harmonies and anything where it's Sephardic music being being generated in the Holy Land hearing you know Jewish songs in Ladino or hearing them in Yiddish you know for me that

will always feel like a different thing and it's because I don't think I was as like I was not a camp counselor I an explicitly Zionist, you know, Jewish camp. It was so, you know, for me, some things are Zionist.

Some things are just cool and Jewish. Yeah. You know, it sucks that everything is now some sort of like Zionist monoculture. Where now, like even to learn Yiddish, if you're not from, you know, Orthodox, like Hasidic community is considered like an act of like anti-Zionist defiance. I've seen it a lot with anti-Zionist. Zionist Jews where they're like, I'm learning fucking Yiddish because I don't want to learn

fucking Hebrew. And I'm like, that kind of rules. Back to Hebrew school where you learned just Yiddish would be so sick. There was a school like that in Vancouver when I was growing up. They still exist. The Parrot Center for Jewish secular culture. Ooh, I love that. And yeah, it was explicitly about

keeping Yiddish alive. Anyway, yeah, but there's a real difference between listening to this kind of music, at least the experience of it for me, and listening to like Israeli pop music. starting in 1967 when it becomes very Americanized and really

and anyway I'm not I'm not suggesting anyone goes out and listens to these records but I have a soft spot for them and it's a complicated experience I have I feel like we have two perfect guests to talk about two wonderful guests two wonderful guests who

are no strangers to music themselves no strangers to music no strangers to Jews you know they are them They've lived as them. And no strangers to podcasting either. They both have great YouTube channels, and they both do a podcast together. Although I am going to ask them about the name because I've heard a few different versions of it.

But our guests are wonderful people who I'm so excited to share with you. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. All right, here's me doing it. Eleg Harpaz and Alon, Nissan, calls you. Cohen. Hey, pretty good. How did I do? How did I do? That was excellent. Was it? Hell yeah. Yes, nine out of ten. Nine out of ten. It actually occurs to me, I should have pulled out my Indigo girl's subtitled album because there's a song called Land of Canaan. And you call yourself the Hebrew Canaanite. That's right. So talk to us about how you guys situate yourselves and identify

where the hell are you geographically. Who the hell are you nationally? What are we What are we dealing with here? The Mosque Moro settlers. Hell yeah. So you guys start to say some stuff. I think we're in Palestine. I think it's a correct statement that we are in Palestine. I think it's more correct than saying that we are in Israel.

And I must say, Matt, that I'm at least slightly offended by what you said about us. You said the I word about us. And that was quite rude. Oh, yeah, my bad. I wanted to ask you if you guys prefer, I call you, is not Raelis or is Rahelis. Red Sea Pedestrians is what Adam is suggesting. We always start our podcast episode.

We have two podcasts. One of them is called One State Solution, and this is over, on my channel, the Hebrew Canaanite. And we always start our podcast with saying that we are anti-Zionists, even though it says Israel on our passport. Nice. This is just a statement of fact that it does say Israel on our passport. You can't help that.

You didn't invent that. Yeah. But being Israelis, I don't know. Just sometimes I don't know how to describe myself so people understand and I find myself say like yeah i'm an anti-zionist israeli because i i don't know what to say like otherwise what how do you make it like i don't know like people don't know what i'm talking i'm i'm hebrew yeah so alone calls himself palestinian and sometimes i don't know i so it's a process it's a process that i'm going through well i guess what you're what you're admitting to there

is that if you're really going to take anti-zionist seriously yeah and have it be more than just a sentiment. Like, I don't like that it's this way, and I idly wish that it was different. If you're going to have it mean, which is fine, if that's what you mean, it might well be what I mean by it. I don't know. But if you're going to have it mean something actionable and real and with stakes and that requires you to give something up, then it means that you are, your life and your work is, in fact, an active prayer for a day when there is no such thing as an Israeli. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You're at you're working for your work. You're working for your own passport's obsolescence.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, when you think how, like, I had a process to go through, you know, like people think that like becoming anti-Zionist is like one thing and then that's it. But then, like, for example, accepting that one day I accepted that it will be Palestine and like, and that's the name, you know, like I and I want to be an equal citizen in Palestine. But, you know, I think even just this thing, that's that name, you know, for most Israelis, it's like, already I'm a traitor. I want, I want myself annihilation.

I want to, I don't know. Yeah. So I want to get into your guys' history regarding this kind of transformation from, you know, being what I would say is like a, having the ideology of probably the majority of Israeli. society to realizing that the majority of Israeli society is sick and wanting to have nothing to do with it, at least ideologically. How did that come about? Who went first? Yeah, who went first?

Who got there first? Right, yeah. And did you guys fight over it and then you guys both radicalized yourself or how did it go? Well, I think we met post-radicalization. You really helped my radicalization. I didn't know I didn't know that I had a part in it really

because when we met you you already defined yourself as an anti-Zionist Yeah but as I said Like yeah I feel you always get A step farther like saying I'm a Palestinian for example I would never think to say that You know like I feel you're

You're always a bit ahead of me But maybe I even now don't think I would like Something in me doesn't feel completely Like, I don't speak Arabic. Yes. Right. Like, and I feel it's a bit cultural appropriation.

Right, right, right, right. But, uh, well, we can be in the middle. We can say you guys are both future Palestinians. Inshallah. Inshallah. So, so. PIT is Palestinians in training. Yeah.

That is true. I just started learning Arabic. Yesterday I had my first lesson. Oh, yeah. I don't, I'm not going to. try anything out of fear of embarrassing myself even more than Matt embarrasses himself. Every time I do this podcast

trying to say anything in Hebrew. Now were you clear with your teacher that I'm trying to learn this so that I can speak the primary language of the future state I want to have it? As opposed to I want to learn this so that I can be a better interrogator. I did say that there was like a get to know each other around

And I did say I'm a political activist. And as part of this, I want to learn Arabic so that I can, you know, do the activism better. Beautiful. And I just want to say a few words about this Palestinian thing. Yeah. To me, so my training is as a mathematician, okay? And to me, logic is very important and just correct use of language is very important. And if I say that this place is called Palestine, which I believe that it is called Palestine,

I believe that the Zionist project is something that happened to this place, to this place called Palestine, that was called Palestine for millennia. And then something happened to this place. The Zionist project came, and they created something on the land of Palestine called Israel. Right. And it's not the land of desert blooming. Yeah. So, yeah, this is how it is. presented it. This is how they presented it, but it's not what happened, I think. I think they

created a disease here. And this disease is called Israel. So where was I born? I was born in Palestine. This is just implication, logical implication. What does that make me? It makes me Palestinian, or at the very least, it makes me from Palestine. This is just a fact. It's just the simple fact. And I think that Zionism complicates everything, like all forms of fascism. They complicate everything. They try to obfuscate reality, simple reality. And the simple reality is that this place is called Palestine. Therefore, I was born in Palestine. I'm from Palestine. Maybe that also means that I'm Palestinian. But this is something, yes, the cultural appropriation thing, calling myself Palestinian. In this system of Zionism, I have a privileged position. So there's more to talk about.

Right, of course. But I think that this just basic truth is something that is undeniable. Yeah, and I also think that there's something there, like, despite any kind of like cultural hangups on us, you know, concepts like cultural appropriation or whatever. There's something there where, at least to me, it's like part of being Palestinian is also a willingness to be treated as one. And I think if as an Israeli, you know, or as a Palestinian, your case, like your stance of anti-Zionism, of open and loud anti-Zionism for both of you is obviously you're not going to be treated as a Palestinian within, you know, Israel, but you're certainly not looked at favorably. And I want to get into how it's been for you guys in the last, let's say, year. But first, let me know how you grew up. Like, when did you start looking around you and being like, oh, wait, is this not normal?

And what was that like for you to come to this realization? We'll start with you, Eleg. Yeah, so it's a good question And I never know exactly how to answer it Because I think like the seeds of doubt And we're always there You said the word seeds And this reminded me of maybe you can start from there

Ah, that's a good, yeah Because I grew up Garinim, if you will Zraim Because I was maybe I should tell about this Yes, tell about it. I think it's a good story. Because, like, usually when people ask me, I tell that the most recent thing that happened in the last years in my life is reading, like, Ilan Papa's work and especially, like, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine and understanding, like, the depth of the issue and understanding that I grew up in a liberal, like, leftist Zionist. and you know for in this world view it's like the conflict started in 67 like kind of and and then

yeah Israel was going great and then you had to go ruin a good thing by getting greedy right yeah yeah yeah something like that and but you know I remember I was I had a political like I really adopted the worldview of my parents and I also always argued in class with like right white wings wingers and they would tell me but you also live in stolen houses you know and they were right yeah and and i always had like made up answers like yeah but there it was a war and they started and we didn't have a state back then and the zionist arguments basically yeah right of course yeah i love that as like part of liberal zionism is like you liberal zionism is basically you get to have a little bit of, like,

genocidal right-wing Zionism, but as a treat, you know, only when you're, like, feeling bad. You know? It's like, mostly you're, you consider yourself, like, on a diet from fascism, but then occasionally you have a cheat day.

They give us one ethnic cleansing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just one. If you don't eat your mayor, you can't have any cahana. How did you have an ikahana if you don't eat your mayir? What did we get ourselves in doing? Shit, fuck, because Meir, fucking Meir is Kahana's first name.

No, I got it. I got it completely. If you don't need your Golda. Yeah, if you don't need your Golda, how can you have your Kahana? So then your transformation, what was it regarding the seeds? You guys mentioned the possibility of seeds. So I was in school, it was when I was 14, and they did a program that is called Seeds of Peace,

where they send like Israelis and Palestinians to some camp like I think it was in the States and it was supposed to be about peace but it's Zrahim, right? Zraim Shalom.

Doesn't that really mean sperm of peace? Aren't Zerreim also sperm? It was also also. You see it all comes back around that's coming in this. I know that because. Because we come in peace. We come in peace.

Exactly. So, yeah, this is actually, I believe this isn't the first time we've heard about this program where you go abroad with Palestinians and, you know, Israelis together. And it's supposed to be like this, you know, learn how to coexist type trip. And I forget which guest was talking about this, but someone called it as a part of the peace industrial complex. but noam schuster eliasi yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's a good one the coexistence industrial complex even yeah so so because she grew up in neve shalom which her uh which her phone always autocorrects to never shalom which she never sure no peace die um so uh so tell me so you were you were in um the united states or no i didn't at the end that's the thing even like the The funny thing, they didn't accept me at that because it had, like, many exams. And Israelis, when they do everything, they do it, like, everything is, like, army.

And all the atmospheres by, like, accepting you for a high army unit. And they did this, you know, conferences, different stages. And they always pump you with this, like, you're the elites of the elites. And, you know, and like, you're the best of the best. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, but actually, they want us to do is to learn how to do. Hasbara, how to sell the Zionist narrative. And the reason I wasn't accepted, I remember it that there was this, I passed the first round. And then the second round, they brought some

guy and he told us, you need to learn to market Israelism. Like you market Coca-Cola. You say, like, what is the, like the joy of, what is there? I don't remember. Enjoy. Enjoy. Enjoy. Enjoy. Enjoy. apartheid. I'm imagining like a Hasbara drill sergeant like in like a full metal jacket like your apologetics for war crimes are for shit corporal

you're you're shooting and crying leaves much to be desired so yeah as a part of this test you that you failed the is willing to use this

because I told him like I remember I was I didn't understand what I like what's happened but I was told him like you actually want us to lie that's the thing and then they I got a letter after that I'm not accepted to that but the good thing that came out of it that I needed to learn the narrative the Zionist narrative because they made it very clear that if we want to get there we need to learn this narrative pretty well and to be like kind of ambassadors and I remember my father trained me and my father is like an educator and he's like he's still like education professor and and he took the Palestinian side and I remember like the

first time he told me like what does it mean you want to share like you come to my house and then you say let's share half I mean he took it. for the sake of training you, right? He was like, this was a mock trial. Yeah, but he was your debate opponent. Exactly. He was the devil's advocate. But I remember that I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, there comes a point where you're like, if the devil sounds more moral, is he actually the devil? And he, your father said, you, the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world. He was a Zionist. Yeah, so maybe that was the seeds. Yes, seeds of doubt. Sex sperm of doubt. They should change the sperm of doubt. Interesting.

So, so alone, did I do it? No, no, no. This is a six at best. Okay. Alon. Alon. Alon. Alon.

I love it. Did I do it good? Did I do it? I don't want. Matt, it's very easy. You don't have to go too far. Just reach into our North American, Ashkenazi, Jewish schnoerer stereotype. Okay.

Right? Someone comes to you. Okay. They come to you. They're begging for something. What are they begging for, usually? You're going to give it to them with interest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're going to charge them interest. Alone. Oh, alone. Alone. That's an eight. That's what we do. We give alone. Okay, alone.

That's good. Not like, I'm so alone. I'm so lonely. No. But alone. Although you could feel alone when you were anti-Zionist in occupied Palestine. Yeah, which is what makes, I think, your name perfect, because I can only imagine what it's like. But before you felt alone, alone, tell me what was it like, when did you come to this realization

where you realized you were living in a society that had essentially succumbed to a cult-like thinking of nationalism? So I think on some level I always knew I understand that penis jokes are allowed so I felt that something was wrong the moment they cut a part of my penis off

I think interesting so at eight days old and I want to just say something about this please every Jewish person in Israel bar few people who are considered crazy and weird, if they have a son at eight days old,

the parents give the son to a rabbi and a moel, a special kind of rabbi, and they tell the rabbi, please cut a piece of my son's penis off. And not many people know this. But in certain cases, there is, can I say this on YouTube? I don't know. Are you talking about Mitzibé? Yes. It sounds like we're about to go there.

Are you talking about where they do the little, uh, mu, and the, uh, yeah. Let's leave it at that. Oh, shit. Let's leave it at. Adam is the real dirty one here. Yeah, no, I mean, I've heard about this. It is something that, uh, we, you know obviously united states also is the we're big into circumcision on a completely secular

level it became popularized uh you know by like um i think by kelog uh at first uh i am zero surprised i don't get it how do you think they get the red into the fruit the red food the red is jewish baby blood no uh how come this thing survived like people who don't keep Shabbat who don't give, like, you know, it's so... People who aren't even Jewish have it in the United States. Actually, that's a good point, I like, it's like, ah, no, I like bacon too much. I'm going to eat that. No, stopping one day a week from my, my busyness and I can't give up electricity one day a week.

Yeah, I can't connect with God just for, you know, for 24 hours out of the seven days. Yeah. I can't do that. Fasting on the one day of repentance in the air. No, you're asking me too. Here's what I'll do. Here's what I'll do. I'll give.

I'll get some of my dick cut off and I'll do Hanukkah. Those are the things. Anything other than that is asking too much. And do it to your son, to your son, to your son. This is the thing. Yeah. Right. Slightly better.

Slightly better. That's not a good sign, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a low bar. That's what I said. this up because there's a lot of anti-Semites in the world right now obsessing about Jewish religious practice and what's in the Talmud and what a weird fucking people we are and that

that is the explanation for why Israel is such a fucked up place. And I find there's something a little bit pedantic about that at best. Like, you know, all religious traditions have their weirdness. It is a bad start though. But I am asking you where you're going with it. I'm going with it, the point is that secular Jews in Israel all do it and it's not a choice to not do it

when you live in Israel. It's not really a choice to not do it. Yeah, yeah. And I think that this kind of thing is completely a cultish thing to do. It's like this thing

where you show your commitment to the cult and it's a kind of sunk cost fallacy that is being operated here you already gave so much to the cult you gave a

part of your penis now if the cult if it's a cult if it's something that's not correct then you gave the part of your penis for nothing so you gotta defend it now but Sarkmar Jews and William's but Sackmar

anti-Zionist Jews and Williamsburg circumcising their boys too Right, right there are different. This is a different cult. Yeah. Yeah, but it's not necessarily related to Zionism. It's part of... I can see a connection.

It's actually anti-Zainism. Huh? Ah? Ah? Ah? Come on. They're the true Israelis, the Zionists are the true anti-Zainists. So, so I have...

But I think you're saying that it's something in you is anti-conformist from birth. I think that's the thing about you. So this was 75% jokes, okay? Yeah,

yeah, no, I got it. Looks down at the bloody mutilated stump that was his perfectly God created groin. Yeah.

Looks at this and says, what the fuck is this colonialism? Yeah. I don't think I want to be a part of this. Yes. The point is,

the point is that ever since I was young, I felt like I didn't really belong to this society. maybe it has to do with my undiagnosed place on the spectrum maybe but I always felt different I always felt like people I was looking at what people were doing and I was like this is fucking weird right and I never felt like when this looked weird to me I never kept it inside I always said it and I got into it a lot of arguments. I got into a lot of fights more and more as I grew up. And I think the

culmination of this is me now just completely removing myself from this society. I'd love to see your report cards. My Mr. and Mrs. Nisan Cohen, your son is disturbingly drawn to a watermelon. He shows a great reluctance to steal other classmates' materials and claim them as his own. He refuses to occupy someone else's desk. This is complete anti-social behavior. And also we just, we're

checking his arithmetic homework and every answer he just keeps writing, give me my dick skin back. So I'm trying to think, you might be raising an anti-Semite here. Every math answer, every

answer is one state. That's the only Yeah, yeah, yeah, every solution. That's the solution to the question. All the solutions on the math homework. So then I would say, like, after October 7th, well, when did you start doing, like... When did you start planning October 7th? Yeah, when did you start planning it?

We are in Occupied Palestine. Don't get us to the Ophabee. You're laughing, but I'm being serious now. This is, like, dangerous. We can cut that if you want. No, no, no, no, no. But I do want to say, I do want to say to people who are watching this. Eleg and I don't know that we are safe.

We don't know. We are doing it anyway, and we're trying to take it in stride. But we don't fucking know. We are always, like, thinking, maybe, maybe this, maybe this. I'm always like, fuck it. It's like I'm thinking about it and it's like, fuck it. It's too late. If they want us, they can get us now.

But this is, but was this something, when did you start speaking out as anti-Zionists publicly? Because one of the choices that you make is to do your podcast in English, right? So you're not, it's almost like a deliberate choice of you're no longer trying to talk to your own or exclusively to your own society. If you were doing it in Hebrew, you would clearly, it would just be for Israelis or for the handful of American Jews or Jews worldwide who know Hebrew, modern Hebrew. So when did you make the active decision to be traitors to your God? country and if I could piggyback on that one what's the difference in your Hebrew language content and your English language content like what are you what are you thinking of I'm a Zionist in Hebrew you expose yourself now really yeah oh you have to trust that they don't know English

because alone I've seen one video of yours where you're just fucking having a connipion fit in Hebrew. Yeah. I think it was shortly after October 7th. Yeah. And just going hog wild in terms of just expressing how insane you're going and you're just saying this. I mean, but it's just a different vibe. So yeah, how do you guys, when did you guys start speaking out? Was it post-October 7th? Yeah. Why was it English? And then what's the difference? I can bet that he was almost the first one to talk in Israel about this shit and that's

yeah like starting from October 7th yeah wow I don't know were you were you kind of primed and ready like it was just going to take something like that to spark you or yes so let me tell a bit more about my process

so I also grew up in a in a liberal Zionist family okay so my my father he was born in in Dome Tel Aviv, in like southern Tel Aviv, in like a poor neighborhood to a poor family. And he,

so this family was right-wing, and he grew up like right-wing. But then he changed his position. He became a liberal Zionist, okay? He voted for Meritz, basically. Is that your Mizrahi-side? Because I know you have both. Yes.

And my mother, she was like, let's say, apolitical, but also she voted for merits. Merits was the party of Shulam Italoni and Yossi Sarid. Yes, yes. I also voted for Merrits in my first vote when I was 18. It was for Merrits, but the next one I think was already for Hadash, which is like the communist Arab Jewish party. They're also Zionists, yes.

They're mildly Zionists, but they're Zionists. Yeah. But so I think that, that, that on some level I always felt that something was wrong and I was always speaking out against it. I remember, I also

told this on your Instagram channel, Daniel, that when I was 13, there was like a mock election in my class and a party called Da'am got four out of 120 seats and this was my vote.

I was the only one who even heard about this, but something about I was 13 and something about their how do you call the how do you call it in English the platform?

The ads that they do the ads for like the campaign acts okay yes something about their campaign ad something about their song that I remember to this day the music Kuf Kohlham

Matspoon something about it just charmed the 13 year old and it says like it's a very I don't think you could ever see something like this today they say like voice of conscience and it's calling for soldiers to refuse

oh shit and it's like a workers party it's a socialist party it's it's much more it's as far to the left as you can go and still get votes isn't there already a workers party it's called labor that's right famously

So, did you break from your parents? I don't know if you explained why I left. Did you break from your parents, or both of you, did you break from your parents where you were just like, hey, like, what do they think of you? How's your family? Wow, that's a good question. So much to tell about this. Yeah, because my parents, I feel like they learn to accept my view. and they're both accepting

both a bit in denial like I cannot like my father I had a lot of issues with him and now he wrote kind of article to Ha Arets it's also in English that he described Israel

as the zone of interest Oh yeah and that's so and actually so I don't know if I influenced him he says that I did It's not published, Alec?

Yeah. Yeah. It's not bad. I think you can share it. I saw someone actually shared that with me. Like, someone sent that to me. And I hadn't read it, but I was like, you know, it was like coupled in a, there's been a few Haaret's articles and op-eds in which it would be like,

okay, so maybe we are doing a genocide and stuff like that, like kind of like in that vein of just like sometimes. culminating in the owner being like actually yeah they are freedom fighters yeah yeah straight up and there was all this talk that how arts might get shut down and I remember you guys did a stream where you were like yeah fucking do it let's see you guys said sometimes I think that's a good thing just like get rid of the facade

and I was like fuck yeah these guys are great so yeah so I mean I love that your parents kind of accepted you it sounds like they have a gay son that's what it's essentially it's like when I came out as anti-Zionists to my it's even worse you know I think it's kind of saying all your dreams all your things like think my father grew up in a kibbutz and people don't know kibbutz is like same atmosphere as settlements in the west bank today like the way they were brainwashed the way it's like everything is for the state

everything like it's such a collectivist mentality so to expect my father to drop his Zionism completely is too much to ask if yeah um but he accepts me and they don't tell me yeah we don't accept you because you're anti-zionist and they shut the door and you know it's a good thing because it's hard to also to find job when you're an anti-Zionist so you need your parents are in support. That's crazy. It seems to me that people like that. Yeah.

It seems to me that people like that are probably, your parents have gone as far as they can go for now. And now they're going to wait to see what happens next. They would really like to think that you're not right. They would really love to think that you're wrong, that there's still some way to salvage something or go back in time. They're going to find out, of course, that it isn't. And you're only going to become more right.

clearly correct as time moves on but they can only go as far but if they can meet you up to a certain point then when the next set of contradictions come clashing around then they're going to have a new choice to make but they've already they've already indicated to themselves you know what our son might know something we don't and that's uh that's that sounds healthy to me and what about yeah that's that's an optimistic view on it too thank you for saying that It really helps. It genuinely helps to... It's not a guarantee,

but it strikes me as much. Now he's backtracked. Yeah, we're backtracking. I don't want you to... You're feeling good for one second. I don't want to get your hopes up here. You should feel good. I think the possibilities are there.

That's all I can say. What about you alone? What's your family situation like? So, it's complicated. So let me go back to the story. I remember distinctly that when I was like, I think, 17, I don't remember. We can work out the years of the operations, operations, of the aggressions on Gaza. There was an aggression on Gaza.

And I remember my father justifying this, and I was horrified. And I remember him telling me, but they're shooting rockets at me, but they're shooting rockets at me, but they're shooting rockets at me. And I was still not anti-Zionist in the sense that I was still not in the position that the Palestinians are right, full stop. And I was just like, yes, and they look at it exactly the way that you look at it. And they say, he's firing at me, so they will fire at you. And you are saying they are firing at me, so you will fire at them. And this will never stop. So I don't know.

I think also this position, like, like why don't liberal Zionists take this position? Because they're not committed to the liberalism. They're not. Exactly. They want the Zionism with a liberal sheen, not liberalism with some Zionist flavor. Like, like,

because what you're talking about is where every child begins a kind of peace awareness. Oh, what about the other side? Aren't they people? Don't they know it's Christmas after all? Like, like, aren't, you know, like everyone, or the Russians love their children too,

as Sting was saying, yeah. Are we the baddies? Yes. the bad news like a week after october seventh like a week after october seventh i wrote a post and this was the picture on the post like guys guys you should look at this and consider this possibility they haven't yet they yeah but i want also it's just to jump in for a second that i also like remember that every time there was a war all the people who called themselves leftists were

justifying it again and again and again and i also felt it as a child like what's going on here like aren't we lefties aren't we and because you know the the left wing Zionist is always based on settlers hatred it's like we are not like them they are exactly so horrible and then like why in the moment of truth we're exactly like them what's going on here like I always felt this yeah there's a this is a thing about I think right wing Zionism and settlers and whatnot is they serve as this really convenient like scapegoat for the liberal Zionists for you know the you know quote left wing like the Tel Avivists or whatever where it's just like you know we're we're not like them and if we can only just stop this these bad people

then everything would be fine. It never really includes the critique of the entire project that they participate in. And I think, you know, the same can be said in the United States. You know, if we're talking about our particular politics, it's always because the right wing is so disgusting, because the right wing is just so, I think, objectively awful, this allows sort of like the, you know, centrists. to point at something and say, well, we're not that. And we can be proud of, you know, but then, you know, you see like essentially the fundamental Zionism, the fundamental like, you know, settler colonialism or kind of chauvinism and nationalism is still, it's still there.

And everything else is window dressing. It's the main thing. It is, it's the baseline. And they'll look at the war. and they'll say you see this horrible thing is happening look at this position we're in this is why once the war is over we need to get back to land for peace or oslo or whatever right that this doesn't happen again but as long as the war is going on fuck yeah kick their fucking asses and and it seems to be such like a um it's crazy how eager a lot of liberal zionists are to make themselves useful idiots for uh the right wing psychopaths because Because they became useful idiots after the seventh, more so than ever, because they straight up were just like, now is the time for us to back Netanyahu, someone who I literally called a war criminal two days before the seventh. We should allow him to be the person controlling the war. And, you know, just it's almost like they all, you know, they call it sobering up, right?

this is the big thing that I'm hearing, the idea of sobering up and allowing for the right wing to control this entire and the cleansing. Someone needs to do an Israeli-A-A sketch. That's a great idea. Maybe that someone should be an anti-Zionist comedian of some sort, but since none are here. None are here. Well, I'll find one somewhere. We need to take a quick commercial break, and then we're going to talk more with y'all. But first, everyone, please stick around and listen to these wonderful ads.

But don't go anywhere. You've got to listen, but you can't go anywhere because we will be right there. And we're back. There's Bad Hasbara, World Most Moral Podcast. I'm here with, of course, Daniel Mate, but also Ehrlich and Alone, the two wonderful, wonderful Jews. What was the name of that other podcast? With the, it's a, wait, Jews is a slur? I don't know.

Yeah, we don't know yet. Yeah, it was the two nice Jewish boys podcast. It's your, it's the, your. So you guys say there's a button you want to press, right? Isn't that? Just kidding. They are the hosts of the One State Solution Podcasts and the Yala podcast, which I was honored to be the very first ever guests on.

Yes, yes. Daniel was so kind to be our first guest. That's crazy that I haven't been invited. It was only downhill from there. That's crazy. Well, maybe it's because you forgot about another guy. No, but actually we had only amazing guests. Yes, only everything is on down, downplay our other guests.

No, your guests are fantastic. and you guys I can think of another good one though Matt do you want to come and be a guest on our podcast Yala and talk about your process of becoming

an anti-Zionist. They want you to come yeah absolutely I mean I guess if you're asking I don't know man I just I didn't expect this I love how you described your teglit Oh yeah Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Speaking of birthright, I want to talk about your own sort of reverse birthright. Your birth wrong, if you will, going to anywhere outside of Israel and gaining some perspective there. I know, Alec, you were someone who lived out.

outside of Israel for a while. Is that correct? Not really. Like I lived as a kid. No. And I was now, like a month and a half ago, I came back from like for a trip in the US. Okay. We got to meet in New York. Oh, I see. Alec was on an extended trip of the US and Eleg was kind enough to open, like be the opener, the musical opener act for an event that I hosted at a local cafe in Burleigh. where we had an Israeli wrote them and Osama their talk about their journey from enemies to solidarity allies. Yeah. Israeli Jew and a Palestinian. So if you guys, Alec played the viola with a friend of his who played the wind instrument. It was incredible music.

Yeah, Sean Sakana Manela, a good friend. Yeah. So have you, uh, how much time collectively have you guys but like spent outside of Israel? This is just, if I'm to preface this question, I'm asking because one of the things I noticed when I did do my birthright trip was that there was not insignificant amount of Israelis who were, you know, with us. You know, obviously they do like, they give us some IDF soldiers to marry. And there was this general feeling, at least among a few of them, that they couldn't wait to get out, not of just the military, but out of Israel, just to experience the rest of the world, this feeling of claustrophobia. And I wonder if that is something that you think that you've

experienced or if you, if you're like, no, I love it here. Alec, I think you have to say about this, right? Please. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Now I pretty much feel like how much like this country is a cage also for the jewish people here you know like yes and when i was out it really felt like freedom i could wear like watermelon shirt and sing about like my songs you know i have songs that i afraid to sing here basically like and you talked about like speaking in hebrew and i have i want to be more do it more and be more brave about it and sing my songs about but you know i say stuff in my songs like you know if atah you're hit abo yeah i have a song that's been the took off

uh facebook it got censored because all the words if like if you if it said if atai arita If you shoot him, you shoot him. If you bomb him, you bomb him. You know, like, that's all the words just still, how do you say, teutology, teotology, like, you know. Oh, tautologies, like, just like, if A, then A. Yeah. Now, but tell me about that.

What an interesting way to, like, I'm a lyricist, and to construct a lyric around obvious things, that must be. But that's the point. That's the thing inside of fascist. right to say the obvious thing is to be subversive so you're you're basically putting like inescapable truisms in people's face being like you don't realize this but when you go into the army and raid someone's home right yeah yeah that's it's like and you know and that got censored because

somebody complained about me and I thought it's like really like you know I thought about 181984 like 2 plus 2 equals 4 and it's like but but why is this why is this so important you weren't even saying 2 plus 2 goes 3 you were saying 2 plus 2 equals 2 plus 2 yes yeah but the point is the point is that that Zionists they want to say why are we doing what we are doing in gaza because of Hamas everything that because of Hamas right everything that was done by Israel in Gaza was actually done by Hamas even though we are shooting them

it's actually Hamas shooting them Yeah they are shooting them yeah exactly So when Elik says when you shot him You shot him This undermines completely The Zionist narrative of what is going on here And what always has been Golda Mayer said

I wish those Arabs Did not force us to To kill their children We can forgive them for killing our children. We can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. Which is like, yes. So when Elick says, when you shot him, you shot him, this undermines the entire basis of the propaganda that justifies what is going on.

So of course it's banned. Of course it's problematic, right? Yeah. And I think about it. When you bomb people, you're not just beheading them. You're ripping them to shreds, right? you bury them and they don't say we bury them alive we right you know it's like it's like we neutralized we neutralized the territory we yeah all these euphemisms and after 7th of october

so many people said no no no we are not that cruel when we kill it's because we have to do it right and the pilot is not calling you know there was one story about like a Hamas guy who called in his parents. Yeah, and said, oh, I killed this many Jews. And yeah, this is the big story. They always tell, you know. Yeah.

As if so, Israeli soldiers don't do this kind of stuff. But, but yeah. Not only do they call their parents about it, but they also post on social media. Yes. Just like, look at this entire neighborhood. I demolish. Gunz's entire campaign, like a decade ago, was,

I remember this ad. He had, in the corner, he had a counter for how many Mechablim terrorists he killed. And it went up to a thousand and over a thousand. This was taken off because it was in poor taste, even for Zionists back then. But yeah, he just ran on this. He was like, yeah, this is my... What's the word for kosher butcher? Is it Shochet?

Is that the word? Yeah, Shochet is it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the, it's a country that thinks of itself as like... As a kosher butcher. Like, everything we do is very, very clean and ritual and the deaths were... ordained and they were sanctified it's sanctified brutality is what it is yeah which kind of goes back to the you know uh the uh you know on the baby d because it's almost just like no it's okay because it's

religious you know not to kill them through the hole in the street uh adam yes uh yeah I don't know. He's like, yeah, he got him. But yeah, so, sorry, continuing what you're talking about, do you mean to say the freedom that you felt in the United States? Was there part of you that just said, ooh, Lina the Free, Home of the Brave? It's time to make Alia to my true home, you know, Denver or something. It's also not a very free place, I guess.

But, you know, but there is a weird thing that, you know, I could go in, I was in D.C. And I, like, did a concert in front of the Israeli embassy. With Medea Benjamin, right? Weren't you there with Code Pink? Yeah. And I was there in the Congress with Code Pink. And it was, wow, they're so sweet.

I love them. Yeah. And, but it's kind of felt like the police, like they did call the police, but there's also this thing in D.C. that it's like, yeah, you kids can go play in the, you know, in the yard. And we don't give a shit about you, but you can sing and wave your Palestine flags. Right.

Maybe if Netanyahu was in, maybe if Netanyahu was in town or something like that. They'd really bring the crackdown. Yeah, they did. I fear we will be seeing more of that with the Trump administration. Because he's someone who likes to. use that to get all of his hogs, boners, you know, riled up. And speaking of that, I wanted to ask you guys, I forgot to ask at the beginning. After all these years of just nothing but antagonism and marginalization from the U.S.

government, how does it feel to finally have America on your side? Yeah. With all of Trump's appointees. I mean, just really, finally, an American government that really has your back, you know. No more anti-Semitism in D.C. No more. Mike Huckabee won't even use the word occupancy. patient is it's you it's euda and stromron yeah that's right the west bank yeah he keeps talking about

yosh i i i genuinely think it's refreshing that these things are being said in a very clear way i i get trump just elected trump just appointed a red heifer to be the minister of agriculture that's funny i'm sorry go ahead you think it's i'm sorry so i i think it's like what we have here in occupied Palestine in the Zionist project, okay? Right. Where, so we were talking about the liberal Zionists and I, and we were saying, the exact same thing, the thing is that there is a system and the system has two different faces and the system is a system of supremacy, it's a system of oppression, it has two different

faces, it has the overtly fascist face, and it has the nice face, the nice liberal face that is just as fascist in the same way and does the exact same things. And the thing is that this is how the system operates. It threatens you with the overtly fascist side so that it can, you know, coddle you with the covertly fascist side, which is liberals. And in some sense, I'm not saying that I'm happy that Trump got elected. We said on our podcast, we are very sad that Trump got elected, but we are not sad that Kamala Harris did not get elected.

Okay? Because, and in some sense, it is better to have these things said in a very clear way so that everything is out in the open. And when everything is out in the open, maybe we can start actually understanding what is going on here, addressing what is going on here, facing it and changing it for the better. And in the American context, I mean, in the Israeli context, there's no hope for this because there's no left left. But here, right. The election of Trump, especially after fucking eight years of hyperbole about how he's Hitler and it's the new Reich and all this kind of shit. Okay, liberals, time to speak up. Time to speak up when Heggseth says this shit. Time to speak up when Huckabee pops off about the West Bank. Time to, you know, time to speak up when he takes this Merriam Edelson money and threatens universities with defunding them if they allow so-called, you know, Hamas sympathizing or whatever. It puts what I like about the situation, and there's not a lot that I like about it, but it puts the people who would be the so-called resistance in the uncomfortable and an ennial position of showing and proving.

And having to take up a position that I think comes with actual stakes. This is not politically a safe thing to be an anti-Zionist. it's not safe to be a politician who criticizes Israel with their whole throat and so or with their whole chest full-throated and with their whole chest it's not safe to deep throat you're not safe to get throated by anti-Zionism but no and I think you know that that is an interesting thing it does it does put people in that position where okay well at least you have one thing that makes it safe it's something that Trump is

for, are you against it? And I think one of the things that, you know, if there's, like you said, any silver lining, it's is we can kind of see people put their cards on the table. And if, uh, if you

if you're going to continue this, you know, liberal Zionist dance, um, then, uh, at least we, we can know that, you know? We see you doing the horror. We see you doing the horror. You see you trying to grapevine your way around the truth. What's that, like?

No, that I hope that regarding to Palestine, that people will understand that the two-state solution is not an option anymore, too. And that nobody is ever intending and ever really intended to do it. And then some liberals will have to say, okay, if I have to choose between apartheid that is admitted, admits to be an apartheid. Now I have to advocate full democracy. I don't think

many of them are going to do it. So few of them will actually choose this option. This is what we saw, right? Yeah. Yeah, this brings me back to what happened after October 7th here in Occupy, Palestine.

Yes. Where I saw so many people, so lose their compassion. And I want to say something about compassion. I think compassion is in some sense a bad thing. Don't cut this without the explanation. So compassion is something that comes out of a place of supremacy.

It is the position of a master. I have compassion towards you, so I will give you, I will generously and graciously give you your rights. But if you misbehave, like the Palestinians misbehaved on October 7th, I will lose my compassion. And if I lose my compassion, I can take away the rights that I so graciously gave to you. And this is exactly what so many people did right after October 7th. And I need to say this one time publicly.

My therapist that I went to for two and a half years at that point, she lost her. How do I know this expression so well? Because she was using it. She lost her compassion. I had a therapist that was vegan, that was for justice, that was for freedom for all. That was also, I thought, a leftist when I told her that this is a culture, she agreed with me. And then on October 7th, this woman disappeared. And a zombie appeared instead of her.

And I no longer have a therapist who helps me. that's me in the cafe that's me on losing my compassion I'm writing this on the fly we'll have it ready for next week I'll be in

Rish Alef Mem Losing my compassion Losing my compassion Yes I would challenge the idea that that was compassion to begin with It was sympathy sympathy pity is the way i would put it because compassion actually the word compassion actually means

feeling with passion right feeling calm with or in intend and so once you feel with then the only way you're going to lose your compassion is if you're shutting down your own capacity to feel and i and i think that there's a lot of israelis and liberal zionists who have some thoughts and some sentiments about Palestinians but they don't they haven't required of them to go all the way and really feel with and to understand who are these people that we are sympathizing with who are these people that we're willing to grant rights to or give some land back to nobles oblige like you're saying from that perspective yeah without me giving up my power if you actually understood who you were dealing with right then you'd have to deal with how would they feel if they had been through

what they have been through who would how would I feel if I'd been in their shoes and from there I don't know that that compassion is something you can permanently lose. You could get, I guess, on a day like October 7th or in a month like that, just like on September 11th, you could get shocked into a kind of, I can only take care of my own feelings for a while. Yes. And I actually think that for me, this is, you know, the way I look at it is I see it as completely human for someone to be shocked out of, you know, to be in a moment where, you know,

to be in a moment where they are like, I feel no compassion. I feel nothing but hatred. Because I think it's, it is not, that is not an uncommon thing. I think that is, it is a human thing to feel personally affronted. And even if you're the, you know, oppressor in this, like, people aren't, they don't live in, you know, constantly, uh, within, uh, abstract systems, right? They, they only, they only know what they know. They only feel what they feel. Um, my issue has always been after the, I don't know, after a month, are you going to, at some point, examine those feelings and then,

you know, maybe restate your issues. Are you going to, at some point, regrow compassion? And the issue I've had is it's not with people who immediately after October 7th felt this like lustful need for revenge it's for people after November 7th

who were just like keep going like like to me that's that's where it became like going from human to like activated

as a part of like cult like mentality like you know a Pavlovian response to to feeling trauma of just constant state of needing to constantly be

put in a position in which you will feel still victimized despite the fact that multiple October 7th have happened subsequently to October 7th. It's like 10, 20, 30, 100. One a day. Yes, one a day. And so like looking at that, that's when I am like, okay, you're on some mentally ill shit.

You know what I mean? And you'd rather, you'd rather, You'd rather find your safety in the fascist, nationalist, militarist, exclusionist, segregationist project than you would find safety in a more resilient but less consensus and less conformist way, which is to find safety in principles and in humanity and in your own heart. and in insights that are uncomfortable. I think that's what really shocked me after, at least, you know, to talk of my own personal experience, but it was realizing, because I started talking to a lot of people,

you know, after maybe a few weeks after October 7th, you know, first it was just checking in with people and then it was having like long, drawn out conversations with people. What shocked me was that after, you know, a month of, you know, absolute destruction and genocide, open genocide, you know, that people in my life were still defending it. And any evidence of, you know, well, these people are saying out loud they want to do ethnic cleansing was met with, well, yeah, but did you see that article about the Jew on campus

who had to hide in the library and you're just like are they the same are those the same issues maybe it's time to show them the article that yes yes you saw the article that we sent you? So you sent an article

to us now this is an article that is written in Hebrew yes I can do my best to like translated on the fly. Yeah. Can you explain to us what this article is about? First, give us sort of a... And what publication is it in?

So it's in a local publication of Haifa. We are now in the city Haifa. This is an occupied Palestinian city. Most Zionists would, if they hear me say this, they would get very upset. But this is just true. And in Haifa, there is a university, a science university called the Technion. And there was a horrible, shocking event that happened on the Technion like a few days ago. And this is a report like a follow-up report in the Haifa local newspaper.

Anti-Semitism is getting even here. Even here. It's very experienced It's very... It looks like Michal Gruber is on the case. Yes, she is on the case. And the headline...

Let's read the headlines. The headline. An anti-Semitic writing in the faculty shocked the students. Who will pay the price? Me, Tenet Adin. How would you say that?

Like, who will be... Who is at fault? Who is going to take it? the way yeah who's to blame who's to blame who's to blame yes yes who for the rain kids in the so uh uh i think elic you can take the the character there's a picture there hold on there's a picture right yeah yeah yeah picture of someone scrawled in english a sentence that we are this is the inscription that we are talking about this is the criminal from the river to the sea Palestine will be free so they listen to this podcast we should use that sometime as our punchline for the

I've never thought. Yeah, it's right. It's a good rhyme, man. Shit, that works. Students in the electrical engineering faculty at the Technium were amazed. When they noticed that on one of the tables in the faculty was written the slogan, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. Someone scrolled it on a table even, not even on a wall.

Just kind of like, you know, you're just kind of sitting there with your like, can't you're kind of hiding it's not like someone went up to a wall and grafitted it they were just yeah they were boring class somebody wrote it okay i am an electrical engineering student that fits um says a student who requests not to reveal her name it's dangerous something right yeah we we wouldn't want to expose her to such dangers now the person who didn't want to reveal their name was someone who is complaining about reading the thing? Yeah. Not the person who wrote the thing.

Last Thursday at noon, me and a few other students from the faculty were looking for a place where we can study together. We have study facilities all around the faculty. This is a shared space with tables and computer

so fascinating. This is a place we always go whenever we want to study together. We sit more or less in the same place. When we got to the space, it was completely empty, and we sat down at one of the three tables, not our usual table. Very interesting story. And then we saw that this sentence written, this sentence about a free Palestine written, and we were absolutely shocked. Oh, man, that must have been hard for them.

Yeah, so hard. They're like, I mean, the hard thing is they didn't go to their usual table. Aren't we supposed to have just at least one safe place? They have 22 countries. They have 22 countries. From the river to the sea, this chair was supposed to be free, and now I have to sit at the anti-Semite table. When we saw this, we were all shocked.

We didn't really know what to do. We let the student union know. One of the people who were in charge of the compound, they told us that someone will come take care of the subject. They treated it like a bomb threat. Everyone stay clear of it. Don't touch it. They cordoned off the area.

Or is it like, what is the name of that thing where if you have anything that has the name of God on it, you have to take it to get burned? You know, you don't know what I'm talking about? Yeah, like a religious mitzvah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to, you can't, you have to get a rabbi to burn it. and everyone has to put on special sunglasses. Don't look at it. Don't look at it straight on.

Sorry, we got to apply white bosphorus to this desk real quick. You have to bury the table for a year. That's right. So that it is re-infused with the ground of Israel. That's right. The land of Israel. I think you should just bomb the whole university. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's tainted, it's lost. Better safe than sorry. Bomb the whole university. someone wrote something on a desk. What actually happened was that some people came and told us that we should not desecrate the building. We just reported it. We would never write anything like this. What was most unbelievable is that they locked the study facility of the faculty.

They told us it was collective punishment. but we really did not understand what we were supposed to be punished for even now the compound is still closed and we have nowhere to go study so unfair to do like collective punishment who does it to punish somebody for something somebody else did

just one terrorist there and you shut down the entire I just don't see how it's moral We expect the Technion to take clear action about what happened. No one spoke with us or announced anything about what happened. This bothers us greatly. We expect the Technion to make a clear statement about this that doesn't give any place to such scriptures.

We try to understand why no one at the Technion, no one from the management or from the students, was notifying anything about this. You know, it's very difficult to be kept in the dark about what the people who have power over you are going to do to you or to people you care about. It's very difficult, I think. And she is right, this student is absolutely.

It's got to be hard. When there's just a set of sort of murky, almost marshally applied regulations and no one's explaining to you, you know, what your rights are and your access to various places, the ability to learn and fraternity. in public, it's just taken away arbitrarily. No one should ever

have to feel that way. Almost no one should ever have to feel like that. Almost, pretty much everyone almost should never have to feel that. Literally, only one group in the world should feel like that. Or two. Every day. Students who we spoke with told us that they feel like there's no point. After they saw what happened with students

who took the side of the atrocious videos from the 7th of October who were not punished like they were supposed to be punished. I love it. So that's them taking the side.

So whoever wrote that on a desk is immediately I think she's talking about a different even more severe case of students. This is some cop-oh shit. Like we went along, we snitched, We didn't do any of that shit. Those are, you know, the people who expressed sympathy for Gaza never got punished.

And now we're getting punished. Yeah, look at us. What's wrong with that? Yeah, that's great. But look at this. They feel like it's pointless. It's pointless, okay? It's pointless because they know that this, that the people who are in power don't really listen to them.

That's right. They know that they don't have real power in the situation. And it's very, very difficult. to be in this position, disheartening, even. Yeah. This is a widespread phenomenon here at the Technion. It's a ridiculous situation where students cannot know

that someone who is sitting next to them is thinking such a thing. Dude. You know what? You guys are really good at startups. Someone should make some sort of Israeli technology where you could know who is Hamas. Where you can know what everyone is thinking. willing to police their thoughts

because their thoughts are dangerous. Some thoughts are for lack of a better word, crimes. Yes. Especially now when there are so many students who are serving in the reserve forces.

They have it very hard. They are in a very hard situation. They need to serve in the reserves. It's difficult. It takes up a lot of their time. energy. They should not be wasting their precious energy being invested in doing what they're doing in Gaza and in Lebanon. Only to come back. Thinking who is a traitor or who is not a traitor, right? This should be an automatic process. It's like not the person need to think, hmm, maybe the

person who sit next to me just came back from killing children and this is not what they have to think. You know, like it's a person that comes from doing that needs to worry. I'm facial recognizing Ehrlich now as someone who might, what do you mean killing children? This is collateral damage, ELEC. Yeah, what's a child to you? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So we are all waiting for a response from the Technion or at least that they will reopen the facility. There is no reason

to punish us. We are initially saying. I really feel for them. They really feel for them. Yeah, I feel bad. I mean, they have to share a space with people who, I mean, you just don't know what their ideology is. You know, that's fucking crazy. You don't know they might want to free Palestine. Yeah. Those people, those people.

So here is the response of the Technion. The Technion looks at what was done with great severity. They think it's very severe. This has no place in our community. The subject was, you know, moved to the security unit and a complaint at the police department was filed. And the police came to investigate this event, this, I don't know, how would you call it? Put the table in jail. that we should bury it underground for seven years

and then afterwards it should serve its time in jail this is a very severe case and the police had to be called and oh so the final line final line is optimistic I would think the inscription was erased immediately

and And the study facility is now back in operation. I love that. It was rented in pencil. Everyone just staring at it, screaming and crying. And someone's like, I got an eraser. They called in Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction. Yeah, exactly.

Harvey Kitez out. All right, gentlemen, do I understand that we have a table that's been inscribed upon and Bonnie's coming home in 30 minutes? Is that correct? Do you have any eraser? and he's so like we're laughing at this but you know I'm just thinking about like

it's very ominous yeah where are we living like you know it just came to alone today by train like you know like there's half soldiers half of the train is soldiers yeah like I saw like a soldier sitting with his sniper rifle

like on the floor yeah and it's like I'm thinking I'm speaking here and I'm like laughing and I want cry you know you guys are how old the two of you and 34 you never ask a lady her age I'm 37 all right so these soldiers are like a quarter your age you know they're all eight years old there's sniper rifles yeah and they're all yeah major major generals yeah exactly and it's also like I feel what people don't get is that like you have interaction

with people they're nice and I think like wow if they saw what I'm talking about here they will want to kill me but they could be very nice when you talk to them and it's kind of everything is being normalized in such a way that it's a mind fuck it's a complete mind fuck and everything yeah and in a way I feel that when the veil falls so it's like it's kind of zero some game like when you're out of it it's like fuck where am I it's like crazy it's like the twilight zone yeah when you're in it it's like completely normal and you don't really have a middle ground to stand on. It's like, okay, this is half normal. This is why we call it a court. This is why we call it a cult. Because the people

in it don't know that they're in it. Right. So Eleg and alone, like, here, you've got my compassion circuit sparking. Like, I know I want to make jokes at everything. But like, what can we do that will make you lose your compassion? You just said that it makes you want to cry and I really feel for you, you know? Like, and I feel our kinship, we're related in some way, culturally and historically or whatever. What do you need from, what do you need from the rest of the world?

What do people like you need? What do you want to see more of? What do you want to see less of? How can we make more? I have a lot of thoughts about this. How can we fertilize these these sperms of peace? Yes. Not sperms of peace.

Spirms of truth. You guys are sperms of truth as far as I'm going to say, fuck peace. Equal rights and justice. if we can get if we can get truth then i'm i'm good for now you know peace eventually shit i don't like making it about us you know and it's happening to like when i think about what people and gals are suffering or anyway but like yeah but um i guess everyone deserve some compassion and we're trying what do we need from the world so i i i i i i i i I want to say that for me, one of the reasons that I want people to listen to us is so that we can tell them what this area needs. I think that on a cosmic, chromatic level, even, the fact that I was born here in Palestine as someone who is a part was born into this cult and knows it from the inside, I think we have a lot of thoughts about what can be done.

Okay, and I can throw out a few examples, okay? So, for example, I think that the military support for Israel needs to stop immediately. And I think it's very important for everyone all around the world, especially the Western world, especially, especially, Germany and especially, especially, especially, especially, the U.S. And please demand, demand that the U.S. stops supporting Israel, stops arming Israel, stops arming Israel demand that Germany stops supporting Israel, stops arming Israel.

Stop it. So I don't expect this to happen, even if many, many people demand it. But this is a start that everyone raises their voices and demands that this stops. Israel cannot

continue existing as it is without the support of Western countries. So, we are responsible for what is going on here, but other people are responsible for what is going on in their country. Please speak up for this. This is your responsibility as well, what is going on in Palestine.

But they're like, I think Daniel and Matt, they're already doing it. Okay. He's asking what he can do. No, but I, no, no, I, this is exactly. This is what we are. I'm asking for me. I'm asking for everyone who's listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah, completely.

So I think we need to speak about this more clearly and I think we need to speak directly and frankly and I think we need to demand very concrete things, demand justice, demand the dismantlement of the Zionist project, demand a right of return for all Palestinians, demand that all this system of supremacy ceases to exist and more generally because we have to understand

that the situation in Palestine will not change unless the situation in the world changes. We were talking. Eleg, you want to say what you told me this very pessimistic thing that you heard. You know what I'm talking about? Ah, what I told you today, that Jeff, that I heard from Jeff Helper. Do you know Jeff Helper?

Yeah, Israelis against house demolitions? Yeah. And he, I heard it, wow, I need, there is a really good channel of some German guy. I don't remember his name. I need to look out for it. Maybe you can add like an... After, I don't know.

I need to find it. Like, he did interview with Jeff Halper and Jeff Halper talked about how Israel is exporting so many like surveillance stuff to so many like dark regimes all over the world. And he said like these people like you can do that that there are so many huge names. network that needs like Israel that like BDS efforts like maybe cannot face that you cannot compete with that you know and I'm and it's really yeah it's like a whole network that is not just happening in Israel it's like and yeah and there I think many people feel that this Palestine issue is not just about it's central to people yeah and it's central because it symbolizes something

that's about the whole global system and not every I feel like everyone has like intuitions of what needs to change but they don't know exactly like we say capitalism we say imperialism but what is the work that each one of us has to do in their own countries like it's a question

I don't know so I want to say something concrete about things that Alec and I have been doing so for example maybe people saw our episode of yalla the podcast where we have conversations with other people that's on alex channel sound of anarchy and we had an interview with mohamad and mohamad lives in gaza in a refugee camp in gaza and this is for me the first time that i had a serious conversation with a person who lives in gaza and i think that this is ridiculous and crazy

since Gaza for all my life I lived in a place where Gaza was no more than an hour, an hour and a half, two hours drive away from me and the first time that I had an actual serious conversation with a person who lives in Gaza was

two weeks ago. Yeah, we did one and we're going to have the second part soon, so... Yes, and on my channel we have some thoughts following this conversation that we had. And this is the start. We call this this episode, a crack in the wall.

And for us, we want to widen this crack and we want to take down the wall. And we want to break the wall. And we want to go over the wall and around the wall. And every, like, we want no walls, sound of energy, energy. That also means no walls. Okay. And we want to really speak to Palestinians, Palestinians who lives in Gaza, Palestinians who live in the West Bank, Palestinians who live in the diaspora.

Okay. And Palestinians who live inside the 48 lights, we want to speak to you. And the vision that Muhammad is going to talk about in our next episode. By the way, we couldn't record this episode. We made plans for earlier today. Because there was no electricity because there was no sun in Gaza today. Yes, it's raining now and it's dark. There's no sun so we can't have electricity and we have to cancel the interview because of this.

Crazy. The second part of the interview. And in the second part of the interview, he will tell us more about the ODSI, the one democratic state initiative, which ELEC and I are now joining and we want to promote it because our podcast is called One State Solution. We are anarchist, so we prefer the zero state solution. We have a lot of conversations about this. We prefer the zero-state solution, but one is like the lowest number that's not zero. So let's strive for that first, and not one plus weirdness, okay? Sure, sure.

And then let's just have one. And then like see. Yeah. So we could talk to you guys forever. Yeah, I feel like that. but I know that there was a song that was promised

Yeah, you want to do it? And I would love I would love to hear it. You can't log off until you do it's basically. Yes, Daniel and I have been slacking on our songs. And all of our songs are fucking very silly. Like what you do with music,

Alec, the earnestness, the cool fucking darkness, the fact that you play it on viola. Yeah. which is such a cool, melancholy instrument, such a great, you know, it's like the lower register of Glezmer, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And your lyrics are earnest, but they're also very rye. Yeah.

There's a lot of irony to them. I mean, we're shutting you up, but we'd love to hear something if you'd like to share it. Yes, please. So you want to, should we do the genocide song? yes that sounds fun what's that about i would love that song that sounds like a lot of fun very fun do it uh with audience participation right yeah some at some point maybe let's see it like you will think the vibe okay we'll do our best is that i always improvise like my songs are never fixed so yes there's like a general outline and then it just happens yeah we just

go somewhere so i'll try hope the number is here um and all right it's it's a little bit late here how do just tell me like do it do it soft like is that it's fine oh it sounds great so i've staled that volume and it was written not so long after 7th of october and it was kind of about the mentality of the israeli society but i think you guys can relate to it too like being coming from US and

Jewish you have Zionist friends Oh yeah Why do I feel so lonely inside Why do I feel so lonely inside? Why do I feel so lonely inside? Because all of my society is supporting genocide

My father, supporting genocide, my brother, committing genocide, my brother, committing genocide, my uncle, demanding genocide, my cousin, demanding genocide, now why do I feel so lonely inside? Why do I feel so lonely inside? Because all of my society is supporting genocide. Hello, Elyke. Hi, Mr. Therapist, how are you? Come, sit down. How are you feeling today? Not so well, not so well.

Oh no. I feel a little bit of depression. and of anxiety Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that, Elyke. I feel I cannot fit into my society. Is it them or is it me? You know, it's all a matter of perspective. Elyke, I have their perspective, and you have your perspective.

And you have to respect their perspective. But you know, every time I pick up my phone, I see stuff that no human beings. human being should see you know like baby's true perspective elic baby is crying mother's dying burning alive i don't know how to get in out of bed i don't know how to get the images of my head and i think you know we all have part of it you know i think maybe you have part of it as well elic i am not the subject here it is your but you've been to the army you haven't been here for a month Elig, and I don't know what you did there.

Elik, this is your therapy. I feel a little bit unsafe. We want to speak about you. I feel a little bit. Okay, okay. Let's speak about you. About me, yeah. Okay, Elyke. How are you feeling right now?

I feel that for my own subjective, only super subjective feeling, there's a genocide going on. Elik, we don't use this word here. I told you already. This is a problematic word, okay, Elik? And it's very judgmental, and we talked about how you being judgmental of other people is just causing you pain. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. You feel so lonely inside. You feel lonely because you're not getting enough exercise.

Why do I feel so lonely inside? You should just eat a little bit more healthy. Why do I feel so lonely inside? Elyke, we talked about this. You need to set a schedule. You need to take your life seriously. You start from the body. You start from the here and now.

Come back to here, Elyke, to now, Elyke. Let's breathe. How do you feel right now? Right here? But it's happening right now. But it's happening right now. It's happening right now. It's happening right now. It's even happening right now, you know?

It's happening right now. What are you talking about, Eric? What's happening? The genocide. We don't use this word here. Why do I feel so lonely inside? Elyke. Listen.

You are putting your dark glasses on again. Just put the pink glasses on and everything will look better. Why do I feel so lonely, son? Because all of my society Deprived of its morality And I feel I get nowhere to hire Because you Supporting genocide

I don't know how I can help you, Ely Incredible that is so fucking good that is the musical theater we need right now yes it really is it really is but and and you know you talked about like whether or not it's relatable and it is uh in insanely relatable it's insanely relatable i i don't i don't know if it at this point is even just um you know uh just people who have Zionist family members or just Israelis and their families

at this point I know so many people who are not Jewish, not Israeli don't come from Zionist families who feel the exact same way because of the sort of ubiquity with which this genocide is just being accepted by layers of society

that once were thought to stand for something. I hope you know that at some point I will sing this song and when I get to the point when I say it's happening right now it's not going to be truth Yeah

Yeah Every time it's like And we kind of became Like that's I feel sometimes That's the horror of it That You cannot hold it in your head

For yeah They sexually feel it for so long I was wondering if you were I was wondering if you were also going to say Not only is it happening right now It's happening right here Because he was talking about the here and now But it is happening

Yeah, right. It's basically happening right where you are. I was thinking along those lines. You know how on the Hanukkah dreidels, they have the four letters that spell out Nesgadol Hayasham, or I guess in your case, it's Neskado-Hayapo. A great miracle happened there. I'm thinking we need to come up with a new set of draodles. Peshagadol Hayapam.

Wow. A great crime happened there. It's here, you know, and it's like, you know, when I came back from the States, I felt like this just depression that it's like it's so close and I don't know what to do about it. Yeah. I'm trying and speaking and doing podcast and demonstration. Like it feels like it's not enough. Nothing is enough.

Can I leave you guys with something as we close? Just an offering to you alone talking about how you, your whole life, you felt like you were on the outs. And that puts you on, you know, some kind of spectrum because you can't keep it in and you can't and the character you're playing here, Alec, which is yourself, you know, and being told that you're the crazy one. Well, I don't usually do this on this podcast. I don't like to cross the streams, but I did co-write this book called The Myth of Normal with my pops.

Yeah. My name is there in small font, much smaller font. This is the English version. They fucked up the percentages. I'm supposed to be at 30%. Make it bigger. This is, um, This is on the second to last page of the last chapter.

The last chapter is called Unmaking a Myth. And the whole notion of the book, of course, is that what we take to be normal in a society like ours is profoundly unhealthy. As it turns out, it is often individuals who defy conventional normality who are the healthy ones. The psychologist Abraham Maslow made the investigation of self-actualization, which I believe in Hebrew is Hakshama atzmi. Yes. It's always bragging.

good accent and everything. That was one of the pillars of the Zionist youth movement I grew up with. Zionism, Judaism, socialism, social justice, and Hachshama Atmuth. And it turns out that if you're really going to actualize yourself, you're going to have to let go of at least one of those.

I just want to point out that Mayan had one pillar, and it was Tikuna Olam. Aw. Tikun Olam. That's nice. That's all I know. Tika Masala Olam. Tika masala Olam.

Yam. Israel, chai. Yeah, as Brianna Wu said. As Brianna Wu said, yam Israel. I am what I am. So the psychologist Abraham Maslow made the investigation of self-actualization,

the attainment of authentic satisfaction, not based on external valuations, his life's work. A study of people healthy enough to be self-actualized, he wrote in a widely read paper, revealed that they were not, quote, well-adjusted in the naive sense of approval and of and identification

with the culture. These healthy people, suggested Maslow, had a complex relationship with their much less healthy culture. Neither conformists nor automatically reflexive rebels. Such men and women expressed their unconventionality in ways that kept them true to their inner values without hostility but not without fight when that was called for. An inner feeling, this is a quote from Maslow, an inner feeling of detachment from the culture was not necessarily conscious, but was displayed by almost all, they very frequently seemed to be able to stand off from it as if they did not quite belong to it. And these are the healthiest, psychologically healthiest people. So by that standard, you guys are showing the world and certainly showing

your own society, which isn't trying to hear it or trying to see it, but it will. It'll need examples like you of what sanity looks like, because it's not a, it's not built for sanity. Yeah. That's just, I hope that gives you, I don't know, something to hold on to and trust in and yourself because you're the normal ones. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. One of my favorite quotes from the Indian philosopher Krishna-Mauty is it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly ill society. Right. That's right. I've loved this quote for a long time and this is just. Yeah, I can see why it relates to. you and why you

relate to it and why I relate to it as well. You guys fantastic talking to you and I just want to apologize I want to apologize for how lonely inside you feel so

lonely inside you feel you got a good base for all my bad Israeli accents and if you want to get back at me um can you just real quick do your best american accent uh yeah wasn't what this is what we were trying to do now no no no go go deeper do it yeah well like go amer like full american like yeah there is i got i think alone just maybe before we finish this like the last we had an announcement about yes yes we want to make a small announcement can

use your uh your platform to do it do it Okay, so we were talking about how we're trying to find ways to resist Zionism from inside Palestine. We want to use this fact that we are in Palestine because as we were talking about, it's hard being in Palestine, it's dangerous being in Palestine, but we want to use it for good. And we don't know how to do it, okay? we must admit this that we don't know how to do it. But together with a few friends who are also anti-Zionists and also have Israel written on their passport and also have Jewish written on their identity cards.

We want to start something. We don't know what it is. We don't know what it's going to be called. We have some thoughts about what kind of thing we wanted to be and we want it to bring healing to this place. And the thing that is going to happen, what date, what was it, December 1st? December 1st, on my channel, the Hebrew Canaanite. We're going to go live, okay, and we're going to talk about what we want to do.

And we don't know what we will say. You're going to talk about what is to be done. This is all feeling very Latinist here. The thing is, the thing is that what? One of the basic principles is that we don't know. The situation is very difficult. It's very dire. And we don't know what needs to be done.

And we are modest. We are humble. We don't want to tell anyone what needs to be done. We want this to be a conversation. We want this to be flexible. We want this to be transparent and open. And we feel like the sunlight is a very good, you know, medicine for this place. To have everything out in the open.

And it's also dangerous, but we feel like it's necessary. So this is the way that we want to start it, just to start it and to have people over and talk about these things and explain what we were thinking and listen to what the audience thinks, and this is a process. Okay. I think we'll start December 1st. A YouTube live on your YouTube channel, the Hebrew Canaanite.

Yes, exactly. And people can show up and get in the chat and build in the conversation. and share ideas and and figure out what is to be done and feel less lonely inside I love it so please subscribe to the Hebrew Canaanite to see

the slide I need to plug okay I need to yeah please plug and please subscribe to Sound of Energy where our podcast Yala is on where we will have Matt very soon we promise hell yeah dog

Elik what do you want to plug And yeah, so we set the YouTube and my Instagram, I do a lot of stuff there. Yes, it's Elikarpaz. And I hope to have an album soon of this thing, but it's not out there yet. But it will be promoted on, like with this song and other songs. So I want to put it in my. And there's also the live session we did in Yaha' channel. So we will put it in as well.

Oh, yeah. I'm going to be Elix manager for really good. moment. I always miss it up. I got you covered, bro. Okay. Ehrlich is an incredible musician. Yes. And I think the only reason Ehrlich is not world famous is because he was unfortunate enough to be born in Palestine and to want to tell the truth. Okay. And I'm afraid I don't want it to succeed because I'm going to be shot or something.

So I always keep not trying to not succeed. No, I don't know. Yeah, you're trying not to get shot. I don't know, maybe it's just... I don't know, but I feel like ELEC should be doing more music. And I'm trying to push as much as I can. And I feel like if more people on the channel wrote comments, like, Elik, please, we want to listen to your album or encourage him to start a head start of like, whatever, whatever.

But make his music reach more people. Please, please, please, please, please. Yes, thank you. Well, we were going to put all of the links in our description to all of the channels. I want to hear Hey, Jewish Brother, banging in every club on Miami Beach this coming spring break. Yes. And we will help that album reach number one on the anti-Zionist Jewish iTunes store. And next time I can we're going to do.

Because Sound of Anarchy is brat. Oh, shit. Fuck. That's going to backfire. Not Brad. Not Brad. No, don't say it. But yes. Thank you. And next time we're going to play together when I come to Brooklyn. Yes, yes, please, everyone.

And I mean this to all of our Israeli listeners. Please go to Brooklyn. I'm just kidding. Just go to Brooklyn. Come to the Jewish state. Come to the Jewish state. Again with the slurs. Again with the slurs.

Just because it says Israel on my passport, I need to be discriminated against and humiliated in this fashion. These goddamn Jews, you can't, you can't, you really just can't. Look, man, do you want to be an Israeli or do you want to be in Ishmaelie? Exactly, dude. You got two choices. Yeah. Well, Ishmael means that the Lord, that God listened to us.

That's true. I don't know. If there is one, then maybe they should listen. It would be nice to be heard. Yes. Speaking of hearing, please hear their podcasts. And here our podcasts. like you're doing now, and our bonus episodes, patreon.com slash badhasbara,

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