Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 66: Don't Cross The Streams, with Frogan

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

While Daniel is on assignment, Matt talks with streamer and activist Frogan about being singled out by a “comedy” streamer Ethan Klein, Twitch ban double standards, and whether you can pin anti-semitism on someone’s decor choices.Please donate to the United Palestinian Appeal: https://upaconnect.org/Visit Frogan at https://www.patreon.com/ayyrabs or https://www.twitch.tv/froganSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Olive Garden us White costs for us Zabrahamas As far as us Hello and welcome to Bad Hasbara, the world's most moral podcast. I am your most moral host, Matt Lieb. Unfortunately, my co-host, Daniel Mate, could not be here today. He has died.

It was a terrible plane crash. He didn't die in the plane crash. He was stranded on an island. and him and just a bunch of other passengers, and he died from, he died from drinking all their cumb. I don't know where I'm going with this. He had a cum overdose, and he is dead now, but he will be back for the next episode.

He is traveling, so he couldn't be on this episode. So it's just going to be me today for this very special episode of Bad Hasbara. First, I want to say, shout out to producer, Adam Levin. It is not just that he's a great producer and a great friend and a great man, but it is also his birthday today. So happy birthday to producer Adam Levin. We love him here on Bad Hasbara. He is always just coming in with funny, funny Kairons and editing and doing all the prep. So God bless you. Love him. Also, Unfortunately, we have been once again attacked on one of the Israeli telegram fucking channels.

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This is a spicy one. This is a real stupid one. We've covered all sorts of shit on this podcast from, you know, people like Hen Mazig or, what's that one, Elica Bon Fires of the Vanities, whatever her name was. Has bars who have come out of the woodwork. work to kind of do the job of the Israeli government in terms of PR and spin and stuff. Rarely, I think, have we covered something so internet-y as today's episode. Because today we're going to be doing an episode talking a little bit about a streamer

slash podcaster slash internet guy who I've known about for a while as just kind of a guy you've seen on the internet. His name is Ethan Klein. For those who don't know him, he's an influencer, I think. I don't know, I don't even know what you call guys who do YouTube stuff. Like influencers, he's an internet celebrity. And as far as I knew, he had always been kind of non-political, just kind of like a comedy guy, right? Not stand-up or anything, but a guy in front of a mic, you know, podcasting talking shit. So, so basically what happened was in December of last year, before I even started this podcast, I, some of you know I made some videos making fun of liberal Zionists, right? So here's one of those videos and I'll play it for

you now. Well, I'm a liberal Zionist and I have to say that I actually do agree with a lot of what the pro-Palestinian left has to say about Israel. The occupation is awful and it needs to end. The settlers are crazy. We have to do something about that. Netanyahu is a criminal. He's going to lead Israel to ruin. The 17-year siege of Gaza has been brutal and it is completely unconscionable. I agree that Israel is essentially, in parts of it, an apartheid state. But, like, the one thing is, after the seventh, the thing is, is that I don't care anymore. I'm bad now. Because, like, here's the thing.

After the seventh, I just kind of realized if it's us or them, then it's got to be us. No more them. I've never thought I could be a fascist, but I think I'm a fascist now. And it's kind of great because I have all these new friends, me and Amy Schumer and the ugly guy from Stranger Things. And I'm getting all these new job opportunities in a month. like okay if this is what i didn't know that fascism came with stuff if i had known that i'd have been a fascist a long time ago it's kind of nice too because now i get to be like oh i'm bad so i'm just gonna be bad now like i can still believe all that other stuff too but just not now i'm

gonna wait till later but for now i'm gonna be bad okay bye-bye so uh that's the video some of you I've seen that, and it was at a time before I had done this podcast, right? So as soon as I put that out, I started getting replies from people being like, oh, shit, shots fired Ethan Klein, like, oh, this is about Ethan, isn't it? And it got, like, posted on, like, a subreddit that is just, that's just Ethan Klein haters, which is, it's crazy. That's like, that's how you know you've made it, is if you've got a subreddit dedicated to people talking shit about you. And yeah, it was posted there and people just were, they were thinking I was doing a like a parody of him, which wasn't the case. I had no idea why they thought it would be Ethan because so like when I was making these videos, I was pulling from conversations that I had been having with people in my life who despite being like proudly progressive or like anti-racist or leftist before October 7th, they had slipped into like a pro-Israel has bar a pill. frame of mind. So I talked to them and I would try to see if I could get them to like follow their

own progressive logic, you know, like if racism bad and apartheid bad, then supporting racist apartheid state doing war also bad. And I couldn't, I couldn't get them to like, see these principles through. And it was very frustrating. I kept hitting like this brick wall of like perceived anti-Semitism, right? And like, I couldn't understand the way they could square being like, I'm anti-racist and I'm pro-Israel. And it just, it made me crazy. So I decided to, like, make these videos because there's the only way I could, you know, vent my frustration in a way that other people can understand. And, you know, I had a lot of these, like, ridiculous conversations with people and, you know, trying to get them to admit.

basic shit like Gaza is under occupation like they would they wouldn't even do that some of them and then there were some who would they would be like Israel is an apartheid state Israel is racist Israel has a right wing genocidal cabinet some people just love razor wire thank you and like they would get that far but then as soon as it was like so you should be supporting this war effort. They'd be like, well, what else can they do? And it just, it drove me insane. Like people were, you know, they cared more about the fear of a possible genocide against the Jewish people while, you know, a, you know, actual genocide was happening to people in Gaza. So this videos came from those conversations and I was kind of baffled

as to why people thought I was talking about Ethan Klein because I don't listen to his podcast, I don't watch your streams, I don't watch streams, I don't understand, I'm old I don't understand them, they're so long when do you start watching, do you just go on and off? Isn't there other stuff to watch? What about the penguin? It's a pretty good show on HBO, I just don't understand streams,

I know they exist, I don't understand them. So I've never really seen his shit before, I've just seen clips And post October 7th, I kind of thought, like, Ethan was fine because of some of the clips that I had seen. It seemed like he had like some moral clarity. And I'm going to play some of those clips for you now. So many gauzin civilians. This is from October 9th. They're going to die because of Israel.

Because the Israel government is fucking barbaric, genocidal freaks. and I hate them. I come to black helicopters. Fuck, I know I hear it. You criticize Israel. You know what I mean? The cabinet is run by genocidal maniacs. This is from October 12th.

They're led by Netanyahu. By the way, this is from a stream or episode of a show that he used to do with streamer, Hassan Piker. And, yeah. Who should resign in disgrace and go to prison for being. a war criminal okay he's made a coalition of the most like radically conservative freaks that don't represent by the way the majority of Israelis uh and and they're hell-bent on on uh genocide frankly overtly they've committed tons of war crimes in gaza including the killing of children obviously because gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world

50 percent of the residents are under 18 so when you bomb a building uh The chances that you're killing children is pretty much 100%. Adam just wrote, I don't think the White House should have let him stream from there. Yeah, you're right. Okay. It's fucking barbaric. It's unacceptable. It's disgusting.

I've seen videos, you know, I saw videos of Palestinian dads holding their, his dead, like, five-year-old daughter. I mean, and there was another one that like as a father it's even hard to talk about this dude was holding his infant it was like a year old when I first saw that um you know again this was October 12th I think they said is when that stream was uh and to have like December happen you know We get to December, I make this, you know, these liberal Zionist videos and people are like, oh, there's Ethan.

I was confused. It was like, I don't think you need to worry about your guy, you know, like just based on the people I was talking to, I was like, it seems like he may have whatever reservations, but it seems like he's almost all the way there. Like, I don't know what's going on in that world. And I have no interest in finding out, like, the idea of like going through. the amount of research that I did just to do this episode never again never again will I have to watch this much streaming content but uh that's not to say this this is this is worse I know that this isn't any better than streaming I just I'm like you know I I don't for me I was watching Ethan Klein stuff and I was like I don't why am I doing this but anyways I was confused I didn't know why people were saying this

So I kind of like, you know, ignore it. I was like, ah, you know, whatever. It's the internet. People think there's like an imminent Zionist heel turn he's going to make. And, you know, I kind of felt like, sure, he has his reservations, but there's nothing like an actual genocide being committed by regime that you deem is genocidal to make you feel silly complaining about people putting air quotes around Israeli salad or whatever. So I was like, you know, whatever reservations will surely be.

gone at some point because he's going to be so disgusted as he was, you know, in that video about what the Israeli government is doing. So I didn't worry about it and then I don't know what the fuck happened, but all of a sudden I started seeing this kind of shit. Day, my friends, we are going to play the exciting game here. You at home play along. We're going to play. Is it Twitch or is it a terror?

Let's take a look here, guys. So, for those you listening, now he has two images next to each other. One is Osama bin Laden, and one is Hassan Piker. And so clearly, I missed whatever the fuck happened. I was like, how did we get here? You know, what is going on with this guy? And so I started doing research and, you know, in trying to like find out what happened to make Ethan's brain do this. I had to like look at a bunch of clips and I found one.

Ironically, with the help of his wife, Heela, who posted a list of clips in which he was actually pro-Palestine on their own subreddit. She had like posted that. I was like, oh, this seems like a good resource. And I think I found one that explains pretty much. everything going on in his brain. So hard to pull myself to some kind of central ground where we can have a real conversation about this stuff. I'm pulled myself all the way to, you know,

outright saying that it's apartheid, that it's genocide, that the Israeli government is committing. And so, but you still want to call me a racist and a genocide and a Zionist. Why would you call me a Zionist if it wasn't, just oh you're a fucking Jew when I have said all the things that you want to hear from me I want to meet you right in the fucking mill and you still spit my face so give me a fucking break who's the problem scumbag scumbag

and I don't you know what I don't want to call out this because I'm gonna say this because it pissed me the fuck off and being an anti-Semite openly and proudly is now likes on Twitter rogan she tweeted out she goes my Zion I have a problem with my with my zionist therapist just call him a fucking jew i'm sorry but that you can't talk like that about any other fucking minority i had a problem with my zionist therapist would you talk your zionist therapist so i think i've figured it out um i think i understand there are two things that made ethin this way one not knowing any anything about Zionism or Israel.

And two, Frogan, who is our next guest, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, please welcome our most moral guest this episode. It is the streamer, Frogan. Hey.

Watching that was such a wild ride. Wasn't it? Yes. Especially like the early shit, right? Where you're watching, like, what I see is definitely like real emotion like he's seeing all of this these horrible images only

five days after October 7th you know it just kind of reminds you how quickly that shit went like how immediate the aftermath was yeah but to be on it like him and I are like beef started literally right at October 7th yeah yeah the beef started with you guys at October 7th Is that, that's what you said? Yeah, everything started between him and I, like, around October 7th.

I think, like, October 12th is like when he came after me initially. Oh, interesting, because it's funny, I'm watching that and I'm going, like, trying to pin the radicalization. And so I just kind of assumed, like, as the months went on, that he was being fed a slow diet, of Hezbara and had completely changed his tune. But he was already going after you then. What was he, what was going on that he was going after you then? So what happened is on October 7th in the early hours, I want to say it was like 5 o'clock in the morning, my time, whenever I tweeted it.

It was like, it was announced that like Palestinians were breaking down the wall. I didn't know anything else happening. It was just like Palestinians broke down the wall. So I tweeted leftist preach and foam at the mouth at the thought of revolution but whenever people in the Middle East do it's bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think I saw that tweet. I think I saw that tweet, yeah. At that point in the time, I didn't know I didn't know what was happening. All I knew, the only news that was reported was Palestinians worked on the wall. Yeah. And it was like 5 o'clock in the morning Eastern.

So then after I tweeted that, Ethan unfollowed me. Um, and then I, I talked about it in a Discord server and I was like, Ethan Klanun followed me. I'm, I'm sad. And then I made a joke. I was like, Ethan, I'll support the IDF. I'll just follow me. Because, like, Ethan was one of my favorite content creators.

Like, he was genuinely one of my favorite contact creators. Yeah. Destiny's, uh, people screenshoted it, posted it to Reddit. Destiny, for those of you who don't know, is just another fucking guy who cares. He's just a liberal Zionist psychopath, from what I can tell, who he chose an angle on October 7th and then got yelled at and decided to make it his entire, like the hill he was going to die on. That's from what I can tell. yeah so they posted it to reddit Ethan saw it and then um he i tweeted also i also tweeted i was like not one of my favorite content create doesn't follow me because i'm pro palestine

and then he quote retweeted it and was like the reason why i followed you was this this this and then he did like a whole episode about it and then uh from there it's just been the spiral it's it's been it's been crazy to kind of see it uh you know for me i'm watching it all kind of like after the fact um and so like i'm picking up all of this stuff as what i would consider like a normie right like someone who's like doesn't doesn't really know too much about uh stream streams uh well you know and uh that kind of uh that community of like internet personalities. Like I know Hassan and I know this one guy who does music, Anthony Fantana, he's great. Yeah, I like him. You know, he's pretty sick. But yeah, so it's been, it's been

interesting to watch because it seems like you have been such a focal point for him as like someone to attack and I just want to you know before we continue talking about this guy tell me uh about yourself and tell like our audience about you like what what kind of content you do and yeah so my name is frogan I started doing content creation in 2021 I became a full-time content creator in 2022 I used to be a public health scientist and then I just transitioned into streaming full-time I mostly do just chat I do reacts, I do commentary, mostly on, like, reality TV. I barely talk politics, but like whenever October 7 happened, it'd be sprinkled in.

Because I feel like growing up Lebanese, everything happening in the Middle East is like the first, like, political issue you learn growing up. You know, my dad had Al Jazeera on 24-7. So I was like, okay, like this is something. I actually feel knowledgeable about and I feel like I could actually talk about it. Even then politics right now is not a focal point for me, but just a sprinkle of politics. That's interesting.

I mean, I feel like this is not an uncommon story, at least with a lot of the people who make content, you know, like in that world, there's a bunch of people I know, and myself included, like before this podcast, My other podcasts are about Sopranos rewatch podcast, and now it's a madmen rewatch podcast. It's like, you know, and it's not to say that I don't talk politics or that I haven't in the past. I worked for A.J. Plus, which is like Al Jazeera's online channel. I've been, you know, an anti-Zionist Jew for a long time, but, you know, I just, it wasn't

Yeah, it just wasn't a thing that is a niche thing. Being an anti-Zionist Jew, it was like there was already so many layers of, like, knowledge you had to have in order for anyone to understand that, you know, type of content that I was like, well, who would I be making this for? Like 15 other anti-Sionist Jews. And, yeah, and then after the seventh, yeah, a lot of people changed. One of my favorite content creators on YouTube, Indy Nile. I don't know if you've seen Indy Nile stuff. Palestinian, who I think he lives in, I want to say the Netherlands, but I don't know, somewhere in Europe. And he was talking about reality shows on his channel, and he does drag, amazing drag.

And then ever since the 7th, he really started making these incredible video essays about Palestine and about Zionism and all that stuff. And it's like, for a lot of people, especially if you're, um, if you're Arab, if you're, uh, Palestinian, like you, you're, you're forced into being political because you see with your own eyes, uh, stuff that is blatantly racist. And that if it were, if roles were reversed, the entire world, would be outraged. The Western world would be outraged. Like if it were Jews, you know, 2.3 million Jews in a concentration camp in Gaza being bombed to death. So it's like, yeah, it's interesting, you know, just that you're like, hey, you know, I was doing content about reality shows and

fucking, then this started happening and you start getting attacked by this guy. So, It kind of, it seems to have continued from there. You were making pro-Palestine posts and talking about it. And at some point, have you and Ethan, have you ever had a conversation? No. No. Mm-mm. Crazy.

I want to say it's it's it's just so it's kind of like blatantly racist that he just made you his focal point of of like what what a terrorist sympathizer is like you and Hassan seem to be the ones he will not stop talking about it's insane

like so like watching like the like the like the like I don't say downfall but like basically the end of like leftovers like all of October I was like oh like it was insane because he kept bringing me up bringing me up on leftovers as well um I think the final episode was like an impromptu one on Hassan stream where he brought Ethan on and it was just like um one thing that kind of run me the wrong way is he said that he doesn't think that Palestinians in Israelis could exist in like a one state solution yeah um and I was just

like, okay, I think he said that the Palestinians would kill all the Jews. Yes. And I was like, I was like, okay, I'm just like, then what the fucking do you want the solution to me? Yeah. Yes. Keep going on that. Like obviously like I like a Wednesday solution. I think everybody could coexist. Like granted it would take work, but I don't think they'd be like Palestinian, Palestinians killing anybody because of it. You know what I mean? But after that I was just like you know what fuck this guy I was like you know like like I don't know

like obviously like he talks about like feeling bad about the genocide but she's like I like I just don't know where he stands but so after like in November he kind of like calmed down for a bit and then in February I went to therapy for the first time in like five years

because I had a traumatic experience at therapy where my therapist was a Zionist you know like whenever you're in therapy give them like your background lore and you're like oh like my dad fled lebanon in the 90s yeah um and then she was like i'm israeli do you have an issue with that and i was like no but then her question started being like do you have any resentment towards your religion because of the things your dad has done to you and i've never even brought that up what like it just like shit like that

and i was just like okay uh next therapy session i was like okay i'm arab you have an issue with me I reverse a question I just like oh so now you're reversing it on me and then I just like stop going to therapy That was a background story for that But you know what's interesting about this is that That he took such offense At this tweet

Well number one it's like again it's showing This complete ignorance of what Zionism is He's constantly like from what I've seen He just keeps conflating Zionism and being Jewish as like the same thing and you know he claims to like you know have a working definition of Zionism but it's completely devoid of any historical context it's like his his definition of Zionism seems to be it just means that you believe that there should be a Jewish state not that there should be a Jewish state in

Palestine, not that all of Palestine belongs to the Jews, not that, therefore, ethnic cleansing is justified because it is part of the belief that in order to have a Jewish state, you need an ethnic demographic majority. It's just like, oh, it's as simple as that. He just, you know, he has no, he has no real working definition of Zionism. Right. And it also, what's interesting about it is, do you know how many people we have had on this podcast say, have almost the exact same story? We had Emma Viglin came on this podcast, talked about the exact same thing. She was talking to her therapist about, you know, what was going on, you know, in Gaza. And a purple of nothing, her therapist was just like, you know, well, I love Israel. And something along the lines of like,

well I just want you to know I would die for Israel or some some I believe that was her story it could be someone else's there's a few a few people said was from five years ago like that was from 2019 and then the reason I tweeted about it again was because I started therapy again and like obviously talking about Palestine was something I was going to talk about therapy and my therapist was like yeah I just don't care about what's happening over there to me it's just another place in the world and I was and I was just like and this was in February. This was in February 24, and I was just like, I feel like I'm going bad shit crazy. I'm like, I finally found, like, another good therapist.

And she just unleashes that on me because I waited a couple sessions to bring it up. Yeah. And I was just like, so then I treated about like my frustrations. And he saw the tweet and he was like, oh, that's when like the anti-Semitism claim started against me. Or he was like, just say she's Jewish. And then like, whenever he did that, I became the face of stop anti-Semitism on Twitter. They made like a whole post about me. and that was a disaster

I was just like, okay because I'm not anti-Semitic I'm not I never have been I grew up in a very I want to say understanding environment where like we're knowledgeable okay

I've never completed Judaism with Zionism still don't never going to which is a thing that is is blatantly anti-Semitic that Zionists do all the time. Yeah, it's just like, it's insane. But so that happened and then after that, it chilled off for a while.

And then September, this one's kind of my fault because, like, I tweet. Because he tweeted about 9-11. He posts about 9-11, some dumb shit. And I forgot what he said. And I just quote retweeted the tweet I saw with his screenshot of his Instagram story. And I was like, this motherfucker never shuts up. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that.

And from there, just an entire meltdown of just kind of, again, where you are, you know, the target of not just him, but also like his community and also all of the like destiny guys who apparently are boosting him. and all this stuff. And it just seems, um, I mean, it, it, it seems like what you represent to him is, uh, if I'm being cynical about it, is a perfect avatar for, um, uh, to normalize, uh, this idea that Arabs are racist or Arabs are anti-Semitic. Um, you know, like you are someone who, uh, is, what I would say is like a, a normal person. in who happens to be Arabs so you have this like understanding of what racism is because you're like

oh look it's an apartheid state where all the Arabs are forced to bend to the will of the Israeli government and and yeah but because of that you know you will you'll shitpost you write something funny and glib you did this really great thing at TwitchCon which I think led to you being banned, is that right? Yes.

Oh my God. Like, it's genuinely the dummy shit. Oh, I, like, okay. So we started planning for the panel in June, okay? And we wanted to do something like fun and interactive because we got the opportunity to do our podcast I have called ARABS live at TwitchCon. So we came up with the Habibi tier list, which, yes.

If you're on the internet, you've seen like black concert creators, do like who could say the N-word pass who was invited to the cookout who could use AVE like it is essentially our twist on it but Arab right so we were trying to make meme tears

so the we had five tears we had Arab Arab coded asks permission thinks it's a slur and loves opera right and this was who gets the Habibi pass yes right yeah and it was

you would put different content creators based on like how you would perceive whether or not how is sort of like how how Islamophobic they might be or how how deeply uncomfortable they are with Arabs this that's that's that's that was the feeling that it was more so just like it was a meme a meme tier list it's more so just like because Habibi obviously is just like a term of endearment it's like my love darling whatever like people please it with their friends, family, significant others. It literally had no meaning. It was just us like fucking around

honestly. With the love Sabra tier, that's what caused the most controversy. Because Ethan apparently loves Sabra, which is one of the most insane things about the story is the amount of like caping

he does for this very mid fucking hummus brand from Israel. It's like for, you know, It's like for anyone who's had it, it's just like the most wonderbread fucking type of hummus that is out there. It's not to say that it's like it tastes like poison, although it does support Israeli apartheid. But it's like he was really mad about Love Sabra. It's shitty.

It's a shitty hummus like and unfortunately it's like the standard of hummus in America. Yes. And I'm just like, get it from like a Middle Eastern place. It'll taste significantly better. Trader Joe's is better. Go to Trader Joe's. They do a Mediterranean hummus. It's better than fucking Sabra.

You know what's funny? Myself and Arab's, Raf and Capri, we did like a blind hummus taste test earlier this year in March, I want to say. Yeah. And Sabra was our least rated. Yeah.

It was our least rated. So like it was basically a meme from that too. And then like somebody told me, I have tweets from like 2016, shitting on Sabra hummus. Like this shit runs deep. Yeah. I've been hated Sabra.

Yeah. This is not anything new. Yeah. I fuck that shit. If I see Sabra, it's on site. It's just so gross. Yeah. It's nasty.

So we saw nothing up. Like, we're like whatever. And then he made a video on his YouTube channel talking about how the terrorist was Arab good, Jew bad, and that Sabra is an Israeli a Jewish person born in Israel. Right, which I didn't know.

Yeah, I know. That's when I knew he was like bad faith as fuck because I was just like literally nobody knows that except if you are like Jewish and into this. Like not just Jewish, but you have to be like, have known

about Israel, you know? Like nobody, nobody knows that Sabra is a term for a person born in Israel. That's what that's what it means it is like a and it's a mark of distinction ever since you know the 60s people would you know be like Americans would be like oh he's a Sabra just like isn't that cool he's born in an apartheid state yeah I didn't I didn't know that until he said that and I was like first of all grammatically doesn't even make sense love Sabra yeah so I thought it was I genuinely

thought it was going to blow over yeah um I was like okay I'm in Vegas I because I was in Vegas when the video dropped i was driving for a music festival i was going to when we're young fest so i was like off my phone kind of mostly the weekend but like honestly i started tweeting back i was like you know what fuck this motherfucker um because he came after raff who is arab jewish and he basically called him the candace owens of jews and i was just like dude i'm like grow the fuck up. I'm like, just because he's anti-Zionist and Jewish, doesn't mean he can call the Candace owners of Jewish people. Yeah. And I was just like, I'm like, I'm like, okay, they're going after my friends. Um, he's like posting them to his Instagram story. He posted

Caprita's Instagram story. And I'm just like, I'm like to you, like, I'm done. I'm like, I've been, I feel like I was just like quiet the entire year just like not doing anything. Like trying to like. Do your thing. Yeah, do my thing. I'm just like, I don't, I don't want to like, what's that the term where you beat the hornet nest or something? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't want to do any of that, but I'm just like, you know, I'm just like, I'm done. I'm just like, he's going, like, after people I, like, love and care about now. I'm just like, like, game fucking over.

Yeah. But, so I did, I had a few tweets up. And we were basically communicating through, I tweeted, he screenchotted it, responded to it. This is, blah, blah. This would be a romantic comedy if it wasn't so racist. Yeah, I'm like, why is this man so obsessed with me? Yeah, why is he so. obsessed with you.

And I tweeted, I was like, whenever I manifested a man being obsessed with me, I do not mean Ethan Klein. Like, obviously that's a joke, and he took that to heart. Of course. But, yeah, so I thought, I was like, whatever. And I'm, like, sitting down, I'm sitting, and I get an email from Twitch. And it was like, you're been for 30 days. And I was like, what?

I was like, 30 fucking days. I literally just, like, sat. in my car for two hours staring off into the distance. I was almost like 30 days. And then I was with Capri. And then he was like, wait, let me check if I got band two. He got band too. And then like we called everybody called Vio, Denims, and Raff.

Yeah. And then. Were you all banned? All of us were banned. Wow. Everybody on the panel was banned. Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

Yeah. So I was just like, what am I going to do? Because this is my full-time job. Right. Yeah. This is your livelihood. And it's like every minute you're, spending not streaming is money that you know that's rent yeah exactly and I was like I knew

this was some bullshit whenever the ADL put his statement out against me yeah they're like we they met with Twitch that day yes and got us banned yes and they thanked Twitch for standing against I blatant anti-Semitism yeah and I was like any I was like I need them that be so fucking real. I was like, I was like, my mind was blown. I was just like, I don't, I was just like, I don't, I was just like, I didn't even know what to do. Like, I was just like in shock, to be honest. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's crazy too because, uh, you see the way in which like one of the things that has been, I think not just a prime motivator for, uh, for Ethan, um, but for, you know, speaking in general.

about like a lot of people who I know who I've tried to like talk sense to um since october 7th uh prime motivators has been their um uh fear of anti-semitism to a point where they're willing to um like almost use the idea that someone could be anti-semitic in order to um keep them on keep the blinders on in order to not at all look at this situation with any kind of sense of scale because they you know I know people have just been doing nothing since the seventh but consuming media that is telling them Jews are not safe you are not safe in your country look at the colleges you know look at these tweets look at these streamers you know look at the way that Zionism is used as a slur, all of this stuff.

And you see this like fear of anti-Semitism being used so cynically by Zionists. And I'm not talking like Ethan Klein specifically. I'm talking about like Zionist institutions like the ADL. And I say that very specifically. I'm not talking Jewish institutions. I'm talking about specifically it is a Zionist institution. It has been a Zionist institution for most of my life, being something that exists to Cape for Israel and to conflate Zionism with Judaism. And these institutions have power.

You know, these are not like fucking, you know, you look at like the difference between the ADL and say care. right you know uh like care is care exists but no one not even close to what what the ADL can do and you see that kind of institutional power and it really makes me start going like you people need to understand that like when they're they're talking about a fear of anti-Semitism they're talking about something that is like so desperate so so the disparity between the institutional power that uh you know anti-semitism has and the institutional power that uh Islamophobia or anti-Arab bigotry or you know anti-black bigotry all this it's like apples and fucking oranges right and so it really like uh

It blows my mind when people, you know, especially ever since the 7th, have talked about anti-Semitism as if it's even close to being in the same universe as anti-blackness or as Islamophobia or anti-Arab racism. It's like there are anti-Semites. That does exist. You're not going to not get a job because you're a Jew in America, you know, you're not going to not be able to get housing. There's no redlining. Like, people, I think really, there's a great clip that I want to play of Norman Finkelstein talking to somebody who, I don't know him, but I thought he was doing a bit at first about anti-Semitism. And yeah, so let me just play you this. And I think it's indicative.

I think it's a good point. I think it's pretty undeniable, at least from my own experience, that there is very rampant anti-Semitism in the United States, at least. That's your experience? That has been my experience. Are you Jewish? I'm half Jewish. But it's not necessarily that it's directed at me,

but people growing up slurs against other races aren't tolerated, but slurs against Jews. I don't know if I'm just like too online now, but I swear to God, I was like, oh, he's doing a bit and this is really funny. To ask this question to Norman Finkelstein, but no, this guy is dead serious. I would hear pretty regularly or lots of Jew jokes where you would have made in my black jokes. I don't agree with that at all. First of all, there was an era in which one calculated anti-Semitism not by a person's thoughts. because you can't control a person's fillets and even you can't control your fillets

and even you probably can't figure out what's your quote-unquote real motive for whatever you do are you interviewing me now because of the sincere inquiry into the life of the mind or does it have an egotistical component or does it go back to something your mother said when you were five years old you know the human psyche is very complicated and it's not susceptible to easy analysis or control. So there was an era where nobody ever thought about those things. When you talked about anti-Semitism, it meant, does it affect your job opportunities? Does it affect your access to higher certain institutions of higher education? Does it affect where you're going to live? Does it affect negatively your interactions

with the law? That's what anti-Semitism meant. They were quantifiable, powerful, how lucid expressions of this phobia, whatever you want to call anti-Semitism, okay? By that reckoning, can you name me a place in the United States where a Jew would have trouble purchasing a home or renting an apartment? Name me one place, I'd be curious. Can you name me one university, one college, one,

the whole United States where a Jew would have trouble getting in because he or she was Jewish? Jewish one. Could you name me one profession? Does the medical profession discriminate against Jews? There's a legal profession. I mean, that was once a problem. That's why Jewish law firms are created because they couldn't get into the White Shoe Wasp law firms. Does that exist anymore? So this is just completely and totally ridiculous. First, I fucking love this man's so much I mean everything he said there

I think is just I think it's perfect because there does seem to be this like conflation of like that to to be quote racist against Jews to be anti-Semitic

mean specifically things like or it's more that like being anti-Semitic is something that you sense in someone's deep secret heart. And so, like, what ends up happening is we just kind of, we read into people and we read into their thoughts and we go, well, what does Frogan really think? Frogan's sitting there talking about Israel all the time.

Why is that? You know, what does it mean that Frogan cares about this issue? You know, what does she mean? My family is being actively bombed right now. Yeah, right. It's like, no, I think it's bigger than that, Frogan. I think it's bigger than that. I think it has to do with your deep dark heart.

It's this thing that I think I'm not like even unfamiliar with it because it was something that for me kept me from wanting to talk about Israel with anyone who wasn't Jewish because I was like because I was afraid of what I was going to hear. In fact, you know, I've said this before, but like people could literally say my exact opinion but if they weren't Jewish I would be suspicious of it because I'd be like what do you I'm like I agree but why are you saying that why do you care so much

and this like this view of like Zionist as a secret slur not to say that it hasn't been used as a secret slur that some people don't do that sure of course people do that the idea that we are going to normalize that that kind of claiming of like taking the word Zionist and be like no no no no it's now

going to have this definition slur it like it serves one purpose and it's to stop people from accurately pointing out what the ideological framework is that is causing what we're seeing right now in terms of a genocide in Gaza it's like we can't talk about the root of the problem. And the root of the problem is not Jews. The root of the problem is Zionism. It is this particular ideology. And this is something that, you know, Israelis have talked about ad nauseum. This is not something new to anyone who's been talking about this. But when he was talking about institutional power and like, you know, what is like an institutional form of anti-Semitism, You know, what's interesting to me is seeing the opposite, the institutional form of like Islamophobia and, you know, anti-Arab racism.

The ADL recently celebrated that Twitch has changed terms of service so that you can be banned for calling someone a Zionist, which is crazy. And I have these tweets here from the ADL. In the time of dangerously escalating anti-Semitism, we commend at Twitch for changing their policy regarding the use of Zionist as a slur and proxy for hate against Jews. We are glad Twitch acted on our recommendations to make this change. However, policy is only as strong as enforcement, and we will be vigilant and appropriately skeptical about Twitch's enforcement of this new policy. when one of the largest streamers on Twitch, Hassan Piker, spends the hours after the Amsterdam pogrom minimalizing its harm without consequence,

it's clear the platform still has far to go. So you know what I thought about a lot like during my ban? So Asmond Gold, one of the biggest streamers on the platform, can call Palestinians inferior and say they deserve to be genocide and only get to two weeks. and you said that Ethan Klein loves Sabra and there were just like burn her burn her at the stake we put denims who was on the panel in the love Sabre tier we put Scudish who's a producer of ARA

and the love sobri tier yeah we put jinxie I think we put Asman gold and then we put sneako and it's just like obviously there are people that claim to be pro-Palestine that are anti-Semitic and I feel like it ruins the movement people like Sneco, people like Jackson Hinkle, it ruins the movement. Yes. But these aren't the, this isn't like the common thought of like everybody that's in the pro-Palestinian movement. Yes.

Like obviously anti-Semitism is a real issue that people deal with, but I would not, I feel like watering it down to criticism of Israel is very, very harmful. Oh, 100%. It is extremely harmful, especially if you're someone someone who, as Ethan claims he is, like, believes that there's a genocide happening, believes that Israel is an apartheid state. These are things that he said previously that he believes. And, you know, I think, you know, we talked about this earlier, his talking about a one state as, like, not something that can happen. What's really interesting to me, and I think what

I've like learned from doing this incredibly tedious research on this fucking guy is that he did not he was not exposed to that much like Israel-Palestine stuff before this like I think he lived in Israel yeah no he lived in Israel yeah don't get me wrong he lived in Israel, he is married to an Israeli woman. He is someone who I think, in general, has kind of not had to grapple with the realities beyond kind of like knowing basically like, yeah, there's some bad stuff going on over there. Very liberal Zionist. This is like a classic liberal Zionist thing where you, you're the one who says it's complicated. You're not the one who says like, no, it's clear. Palestinians are the devil and need to be destroyed. You're the one who says, no, it's

very complicated. There's a lot of factors, a lot of what-have-you, a lot of what-nots. And, you know, the reason why he, from what I can tell, and I don't want to get too deep into his psychology, although what is this other than that, what I can tell is like he is, a lot of the resentment comes from the fact that, like he said in the clip before he called you out for breaking up with your therapist, was like, I've said all the things, you know. I called Israel apartheid state. I called this a genocide. I've said all the things you want me to say. And yet, it's not enough. You still, you call me a Zionist. And the reason why anyone would still call him a Zionist is because at the end of the day, you're only halfway there when you're

admitting that it's that it's apartheid. The other half is realizing you have to do something about it and you have to allow people who are doing something about it to have the space and not try to, you know, cut them off at the head at every single opportunity. Right. And I think With him, it's like this, why would people hate me when I, when I mostly agree? You know, why do I have to agree 100%? And it's like, the reason why liberal Zionism is so abhorrent to, I think, a lot of us is because you recognize, you know, there's no, that you know that this is apartheid. And you're saying, but it has to be.

You're saying, well, we have no other choice. their monsters we cannot live side by side with them and it's like so it'd be one thing to be a genocide denier it's another thing to be like someone who recognizes that there's a genocide

and is like I'm going to make my role trying to de-platform all the people who are trying to get the word out and how they're all Middle Eastern and how they're all Middle Eastern very specific Specifically.

Like, it blows my mind that, like, I said, is a Lebanese Jewish man, not banned for anti-Semitism. Yeah. Yeah. This is a thing. Blue my fucking mind. Yes. Yeah.

No, I mean, you know, it's only, it's only part way of protection, you know, being Jewish and talking about this. We'll protect you part of the way. But you see, like, in Germany, like it's something like one quarter of the people who are arrested in Germany for. protesting against Israel, a quarter of them are Jewish. And it's like, you know, obviously vastly disproportionate to their, you know, actual, like, size, you know, the demographic percentage. And so it's like, you know, you, you see, you see this all the time where it's like

the people are going to, the people who are going to be harmed are also going to be Jews. So you kind of go like, well, what is actually, what's the point here? But yeah, seeing some of, like, the way in which Ethan is, like, absorbed all of this Hasbara has been wild, especially because, like, again, I only came in knowing those clips from before where it seemed like he had some sort of moral clarity. And then, like, when I ask people, like, hey, can some people send me some, like, what's he been saying? and I just got a fuck ton of shit from people like everyone was just like oh I got a lot of videos dog there's there's whole accounts dedicated to like just clocking uh different like weird things that he has said on his various platforms and like uh the subreddit like H3 snark is like incredible they're like oh don't worry we have it's like they're preparing an ICC fucking like trial

it's like international criminal court for content creators that's crazy yeah so here's I would just play a little bit of some of this shit

he's been saying to like from the river to the sea literally is the terror like a saying that we need all of Israel must be ours

so I think that's part of the problem is that people don't necessarily understand what some of this stuff means that is part of the problem. That is actually... And they're part of the problem. Yeah.

It was like, it's very much. You're right. That's part of the problem. I just don't think you've correctly identified who doesn't know what any of this shit means. I feel like people are so diluted. They'll look at something like from the river to the sea and be like, oh no, that doesn't mean that they want to, uh, they just want to create a secular state and peace of peacefully live with Israelis. By the way, segregation is not real. There's 20% of the population in Israel's. is Palestinian, full citizens, integrated in all levels of work and life there. I mean, like, so this, this, this is like, this is like Hasbara 101 stuff, right? Like, like, this is, I think what blows my mind about it is because I'm just like, oh God, you're now going into, you had just said, in clips previous, Israel is an apartheid

state. And then you're just this like, well, by the way, there's no segregation that happens. No, it makes no sense. What does apartheid mean then? And I'm sure he's talking about, you know, within the legal borders of Israel in 48. But like, again, to even say there's no segregation, you're, you are lying. That's not true. If there was no segregation, why are there checkpoints? Right.

Why are there separate roads? Yes, yes. And within 48, there's all sorts of segregation in terms of like housing. I mean, there's redlining. There's all sorts of different ways in which the Israeli Arab citizens, as they call them, because they will not officially recognize anything called Palestine, so they are Israeli Arabs. They deal with massive amounts of discrimination. It is an insane thing to say, especially as someone who has lived there, that there is no discrimination against them.

Fucking wild. States is not going to happen. And I don't think it's a realistic idea either. sorry i think it's kind of silly to even pretend like that's not just a genocide of the jews there there's a state of palestine it makes sense but if you're in one state again it's just like it's just like you know that's just the genocide of the jews this idea of like we cannot solve apartheid uh or this current genocide because if we do then we're the ones who get sided is just like you know he wonders why people yell at him it's like yeah this is why bro

this is why it's because at the end of the day it's an insane take it's like genuinely fucking crazy it's genuinely crazy it's genuinely crazy to be like we cannot there's nothing that we can do about this that this is it must be a perpetual state of affairs and and it also points out I think the obvious, which is that, like, at the end of the day, he's, like, the only answer here, you know, he says two states, and it's like, I think he knows full well that that is not going to happen. So the only answer here is ethnic cleansing and genocide. And it's him allowing for it because at the end of the day, and this is not uncommon, it's not just him, but, you know, the value of human life here goes far in favor of the Love's Sabra category. You know what I mean. Like, for him specifically, it's like, you know, it's Jews are the more worthy of the land, you know. Yeah, it's crazy.

All this is going to happen is like everybody is trying to bring as many people there as possible. And like by the time, they're. He's talking about right of return there, by the way. Now he's talking about, he's trying to map out what would happen if, you know, there was one state. And he's like, all of a sudden everyone would move there. And now he's talking about if there was a Jews as a demographic minority within Israel, which is a really interesting question, I think, for a liberal Zionist, because you go like, if Jews are a minority within Israel, does that make,

it, for you, is that the same as genocide? You know what I mean? Like, are you saying it is genocidal to not have ethnic control of a land? You know, like, to me, I'm like, oh, okay, well, that's, that's ethno-fascism. If that's what you believe, then you're not like, you're not a liberal person. You're not a progressive person. You're just like, no, it has to be an ethno-state. That's crazy, dog.

And it's like he was saying the other day, like he agrees like 95% with us. It's just like if you agree 95%, why are you trying to get everybody deplatformed? Exactly. And I think, you know, the answer to that is that he believes it is that anti-Semitism is the worst possible thing in the world, worse than genocide is just people saying coded anti-Semitic messages. And like for him, I think he just looks at it and he goes like, I'm going to make this my thing because the work I would have to do internally in order to like be someone who is for ending Israel,

which is what he would, you know, that's how he would define one state in which everyone has the right to vote. like that's too much work to do internally so instead he's going to he needs to have an enemy and he's made it uh you and uh hasan for some reason for some reason i don't really know why it could be anything progen i really think really think it could be anything there frankly are a lot of go ahead and i was just going to say it's crazy because i started watching him because of uh frenemies with trisha and i started watching him because of leftovers with hasan right And a couple years ago, I had like a manifestation list of people I wanted to collab with.

And he was like at the top of the list. But I didn't mean it. I didn't mean it in this way. You know what I mean? No. Be careful what you wish for. I know. Next time, don't wish for that when you have the monkeys, Paul.

You know what I mean? And like I said before, it's not like I didn't know he was Jewish. It's like I didn't know he was in the IDF. It's like I didn't know they didn't live in Israel. Right. You just liked a content creator because. you assumed that they'd be normal if this happened. Yeah, like, I mean,

he's even talked about Palestine briefly years ago and I was like, okay, like, they're based, I guess, like go off. I thought they were, like, especially like with like Heila being the idea, I thought she was like one of the people that were like reformed and like, knows it's bad and whatever. Right. But then like I said, after October 7th, it was like mask off. Yeah.

So I couldn't support this person anymore. Yeah, yeah. It's not like I suddenly became a way. of like her her presence in the IDF or like they're Judea's and like I'm like dude like I need him to be fucking real like I just don't know what else to say yeah yeah it's uh yeah I mean who would have thought that uh they would have gone this deep in let's see let's see how how much deeper they're Palestinians right in the area and once the Palestinians outnumber the Jews, basically

anything is fair game for the Jews, anything. 1984. The War of Independence is called in Israel. Others know it as the Arab-Israeli war. After the partition plan to split, they'll Palestine into part Arab,

part Jewish. As many of you probably know, every Arab country around Israel waged a war of annihilation to basically prevent the state from being formed. Yeah, which is, again, total, you know, this more,

more Hasbarra 101, this idea of like the, the creation of the state of Israel and the Nakbah being something that was carried out because of the invasion of all Arab states to try to destroy the Jewish people is, yeah, just basic, basic Hasbara shit. Go listen to Hassan. Actually, you know what? Go listen to Hassan.

People say, I need to go listen to Hassan. This is bullshit. Please, go listen to Hassan. who fucking by the way yells at people in chat calls them Zionist genocidal monsters for suggesting that the hospital wasn't bombed okay

there's nothing that there's nothing that makes me I think respect Hassan more than his open contempt for the piggy's we have the same thing you know it's like I think every you know I think this is a problem actually with Ethan is I think he needs

to I think he needs to have a little bit more contempt for the opinions of his chat. That way he doesn't take things so personally and doesn't like, I mean, I feel like he was made into this by the fact that his chat exists and he was just getting in fights with people in his chat and more and more just made him more and more pro-Israel. I mean, that's what it seems like, dog Just pretend they don't exist or something Or stop streaming I don't know what the fuck to tell you You want the echo chamber of chat

Yeah, no criticism Yeah, that's what and you know I mean, fine, but fucking You let them radicalize you first What the fuck are you doing? Take a note from Hassan Just be like, hey, shut up, hogs I mean, take a note from, that's what we do

That's fun IDF, which is the same fucking thing the Hassan's fans come and tell me I know what I lose fans I lose subs I lose memberships every time I say this and I don't I gotta stand on my principles man my take was let's be a little

thoughtful of Jewish people that's all I want is a conversation I don't want to be shouted out that I'm assigned you're a fucking anti-Semitic person I know because being racist is the worst thing in your life it's the worst thing you can be in your world Is that about me? And yet here we are

It might be I don't know Probably at this point I just assume he's talking to you you, Frogan. Well, him's being like, being racist is the worst thing you can be in your world. I was like, I think in your world too, at least at some point, in your world, you also would have thought being racist was the worst thing you could be.

I don't understand why he's acting like a saint when he can look at literally, people are pulling up clips of his racist paths from him like dropping the N-word. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, you know, that's the other thing. It's just like, you can't, it's the internet, man. I know. It's like, you have a, you have a footprint. Like everybody knows the kind of person you were

Do not claim to be perfect to your dog Calling me a Zionist And as far as Jews go I'm about as un-Jewish as they come Okay I don't fucking care about any of that shit I feel like you care a little bit about some of this shit Yeah

It is it's wild to watch And you know it's like this is not someone Who I even really wanted to do any episode about it because i was just like i don't know like people when you're streaming all day i'm sure you say a fucking thousand things like for me i compare it to podcasting you know podcasting a couple hours a week uh at some point you're going to listen to an old podcast you're like what the fuck did i say oh okay the context for that is important but you know

i think it's like you know for him i just was like you know i give him the benefit of the doubt know, even if he had just been like starting drama with y'all and just kind of like yelling at you and there had just been, I think I would have ignored it completely. I think I would have been like, you know, this is this is no different than what's been happening on the internet for forever. Everyone gets into fights. YouTube drama exists. Yeah. Whatever. But the difference was when I started seeing Ethan using institutional muscle in order to silence the That's when I said, ah, this is a topic we should cover here on this show because I think it points out the stark difference between, you know, how we treat Islamophobia, how we treat, you know, Arab, anti-Arab racism, and then how we treat fucking anti-Semitism. Yeah.

It's just like the amount of flux that Western institutions give about, you know, anti-Semitism or what is essentially perceived anti-Semitism, which is not most of the time anti-Semitism when it comes to Israel, like they give more fucks. It's, it is something that I think, you know, is, you know, is, in. incredibly unhelpful for the rest of the Jews, at least in my opinion, because I'm just like, this, all this does is strengthen right-wing anti-Semites views of Jews, which is that Jews are, you know, cry bullies who are secretly control the world. Like, all it does is make people actually fucking anti-Semitic.

And I've said this from the beginning that I just, like, can't, I can't stand this idea that, like, the state going out pretending to claim we are all Jews we are the avatar for every Jew in the world then is going to act in the most callous, disgusting, cynical

racist way possible and make us all painted with this brush that's I fucking hate it. But yeah, just in terms of like what have you been dealing with regarding this kind of you know being called out by stop antisemitism.org or being called out by name by the ADL.

Like what is what is what is what is that done? It's crazy like I mean I'm obviously getting accused of being anti-Semitic and whenever people see somebody piling on somebody they think they don't like it's just like it becomes a pile on it becomes a snowball. I mean when they came after my livelihood I'm just like okay like this shit's actually serious. Yeah. Whenever they put me on stop anti-Semitism and March I was like kind of freaking out because like I'm like this is damaging the difference between Ethan and I is whenever I call him a Zionist it's because I have basis to call him a Zionist

and I know how harmful it is to call somebody something when they aren't that whereas when he's calling me an anti-Semite he has no basis yeah it's all like he's getting this information from a fucking subreddit and like creating dog whistles that I didn't even know existed to try to pin me as anti-Semite yeah yeah it's especially hard because like the amount of like dog whistles and or tropes that are just kind of like not invented but almost like uh uh like you put a spotlight on something that people are like i didn't know it was a trope it was like fucking greta uh greta tunberg like saying free palestine and she's got a plush like octopus you know stuffed animal and people are just like that's a fucking that's a trope she's

doing anti-semitism and it's just like now you're like because the oxyluses. Octopus is an anti-Semitic animal because Nazi cartoons show, you know, like, Jewish bankers or whatever being like an octopus holding the globe. It's supposed to be, it's like, you have to really, that's the thing. Of course you didn't know that. It doesn't matter because it's fucking bullshit. It's just a way to like, like, I can, I'm going to call you anti-Semitic based on stuff I just see in your. background right now. First, I'll start with, it looks like you have some sort of like Roman statue there, right? Yes. I don't know if you, I don't know if you know this, but a big thing with

like white nationalists, you know, online is like Western civilization stuff. You'll always tell a Nazi by how much Roman shit they have on their fucking post. So that's one. All right, what else do we have in the background? I see a kitty cat. one of the biggest criticisms of Israel is the fact that they just have like cats fucking stray cats everywhere it is just like a city like they had a mouse problem at one point and they were like let's get some cats and then they never dealt with the cat problem so what I see there is you saying that Israel is a pussy me personally yeah that's what you're doing I hate cats oh okay well that's also anti-s

Semetic because Israel loves cats. They're everywhere. What's your problem? Oh, ostrich. That's an anti-Semitic trope. You see, the ostrich is a big bird that can't fly, just like Benjamin Netanyahu. He's a very big man, but he can't fly because he's a coward, unlike his hero brother. Let's see, what else? You got all sorts of stuff. Oh. You're, you're, you've got a mirror. The point is, is that you are just an anti-Semite based on any trope that I can kind of connect with my own mind by just looking at you. Yeah, I'm like, if I was ever blatantly anti-Semitic, let me know. Yeah, yeah.

And I think that's like, that's interesting because it is something that I feel like is a big difference between. some people like Ethan and and others, like maybe me, which is that like I have seen people I know cross lines that I'm like, oh, that's iffy. And for me, because I know them, or because I'm familiar in general with their kind of content that they make, I am able to put that in a, I can take it on good faith, you know? And like it's very, very rare, very rare when I find someone who like, I know personally who ends up all of a sudden saying the most fucking racist shit. Like for the most part, I just, I tend to take people, you know, at face value and assume that there's just things that you don't know you don't know fucking you don't know about

this octopus octopus uh plushy thing you don't know about this trope i'm just going to assume you don't know you know like i barely know and and i think like it's again it's rare that it happens where i'm like oh shit man this person that i've known for this long holds some really crazy views and then october 7th happened and pretty much every liberal Zionist i know went fucking racist as shit and I was like oh it has happened only in that direction only in that direction I don't know none of you all have none of you all been anti-Semitic towards me it's it's fucking crazy no pro-palistine people Arabs anyone like it is just it's fucking ridiculous it's ridiculous is what I'm saying sorry if I yelled at you no you're fine

I'm used to it at this point yeah you're like oh Again, a Jew yelling at me. What else is new? Signed up to be yelled at by another goddain. He's fucking Jews. Oh, he's yelling at me. Oh, my God. It's fucking insane.

So your stream is back now. You're still, you're back on Twitch? Yeah, I'm back on Twitch. I've streamed a couple times since the M-band. I'm kind of like dipping my toes in, you know. I'm just like Are you Are you worried that

I mean I assume you're worried that This could fucking happen again Like they're just gonna Yeah I mean I realize that like Which isn't forever I want to branch out to other platforms I'm probably going to start posting on YouTube more Like as an individual instead of my podcast as well

Because I'm just like you know what I don't want to deal with a platform that is one, like listening to, like, using us as a scapegoat whenever they get the slightest pushback. Yeah. And then now, like, we can't even talk about something, Zionism that personally impacts our lives. Yeah. You know, like I said, I mean, even before October 7th, I mean, I'm not Palestinian, I'm Lebanese, it was something I've always cared about, but now they're bombing Lebanon.

my cousin got bombed the other day so it's just like I can't talk about it because you know I'm in fear of being banned yeah and even if you were you know not from Lebanon

even if you were from you know Iraq I think it is it's insane to see like to wonder why any Arab person

would have something to say about this issue it's like what why do you think it's just because they see blatant anti-Arab racist it's a apartheid state that separates the Jewish it's insane it's fucking obvious how do you not how do you how do people just go like well why do you care about it

it's just like look the funny thing is people have been telling me to go back to my country but they're also i mean i'm americ i was born in america but now they're saying i'm cosplaying as an arab woman because i am from michigan and i'm half and i'm just like that's amazing i'm like pick pick a pick something do want me to go back to my country or am i uh white girl cosplaying as an arab yeah and also you're from michigan yeah i mean i am from dearborn German is like the biggest Arab population. I was going to say, you're, you're from the Middle East of America.

Literally. So it's like, like, although I'm half white, I feel like even with my mom, to be quite honest, it's like I feel like I identify more with my Arab side because that's a culture we were raised in. Yeah. I mean, and it's, it's crazy to me. I mean, obviously these are all just like excuses that people use in order to say like, oh, well, this is a way. it's a way to delegitimize your criticism. It's just like, oh, you know, the only reason you're doing this is because, you know,

it's like, again, it's a way of like racializing something that is like, I think one thing we can all agree with as like people who are pro-Palestine is like the constant racialization is one of the big issues we have here. I don't think you need to be Arab, Jewish, Palestinian, anything. You just need to be a human being Exactly To look at this and go This genocide wrong

This is It's funny because like I feel like you see people Like growing up there Like if I was alive During like a genocide Like I would be doing X Y Z To make sure it's not happening

Yes yes And then the same people that have said That are like Actively supporting a genocide That's happening It's just like Yeah It's insane

Yeah it's crazy And you know You You know it's one of the things I think that Aaron Bushnell actually said he either posted it or he said it in the video before he, you know, self-immolated in protest of the genocide was that, you know, if you've ever said to yourself, if you've ever asked yourself, what would I do if my country was committing a genocide? The answer is you're doing it right now. And I think that is like,

it's 100% true. And I think a lot of people. one of the reasons they're digging deeper into it, you know, like Ethan, is because it's just, it's just easier. It's, it's easier and it's, so much of all of this is based on ego. Like the amount of fucking times, like when people were sending me clips of shit that he said, like so many of the things that he said start off with a, with a grievance he has with you or has on or some other fucking streamer some other fucking person and it's just the ego shit is what's what's really a literal genocide is happening yes put focus on that yes stop centering yourself on the shit yeah exactly don't make don't individualize it like like do fucking something with

this big platform me have instead of trying to deep platform people trying to bring light to yeah a genocide happening it's just it's so stupid it's just like yeah it's like you know what Yeah. Because he's someone who's like, other than this, he's a likable person. I, you know, I didn't watch his shit. But when I would see like random clips, I'd be like, yeah, that guy, he's funny. It's just kind of like a likable guy. And, you know, he seems to be stuck in this ego spiral when it comes to this stuff.

And this like paranoia that is like, I hate the paranoia thing so much because it is just, to me it's just another um i'm like watching someone's someone being traumatized by people who are using they're using his trauma in order to continue a genocide it's like it's this and like manipulating jews to do to co-sign terrible acts or to participate in them themselves that's way more anti-Semitic than a tear of like Habibi you know Arab Arab-Coded to love Sabra that is that's actually anti-Semitic to you know whereas like what you're doing is fucking you're doing a you're doing bits yeah and you're talking about real shit yeah you know you're talking about actual fucking genocide anyways Brogan it was so great talking to you about this I'm sorry that I'm sorry that I'm sorry

that this is happening. Thank you for having me. I hope I did okay because like this is like honestly like my first time talking about anything. Oh wow. In public really. Oh shit. Oh yeah. Well, I appreciate that. I appreciate it. You doing it here on bad Hasbara. I'm sorry. The world's most moral podcast. No, I I really it was you were you were great. It was great talking to you and I, you know, I will I will actually watch your content i will i will go and uh i mean i've seen i ended uh watching your podcast a bit uh is uh there's a patreon too so it's uh how do you spell it a rabbs that's a y y i b s because it is spelled when i looked at it was like is this pronounced a rabs i don't know like like the slur okay good just making sure i watch i watched some of

A-Rabs, and I thought it was fantastic. Thank you. We will post the link to that in the notes, as well as a link to your Patreon. And the name of your Twitch channel, please. What is that? Twitch.tv. TV slash Frogan. I'm also Frogan on all socials.

Twitter and Instagram have a zero instead of the O. But everywhere else, Frogan. Well, if you go to them notes and you just click, you'll see all of the links. to all of your content and channels. Again, thank you so much, Frogan. You were fantastic, and please come back. Let's talk more. Hopefully, you stay platformed and you keep going.

Thank you. Hell yeah. Patreon.com slash badhasbarra. Badhasbarra at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. All right, everyone. Thanks again so much for listening. And until next time, from the river to the sea, Oh, what the fuck happened to H3H3?

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