Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 7: Kiss Me I'm Irish with Francesca Fiorentini

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

Today Matt Lieb's guest is not only an accomplished podcaster, comedian, pundit on TYT and mother, she is also his wife Francesca Fiorentini. We talk about the ICJ, AI hasbara, and the Irish being... the best.Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Starting point is 00:00:20 All of garden us White foster us Zabra Hamas Hasbara suss Welcome to Bad Hasbara the world's most moral podcast. My name is Matt Lebe. I will be your host for this podcast,
Starting point is 00:00:36 and I am so glad that you are joining us today. Before we get started, I want to let people know, we now have a sub-reddit. That's right. You know Reddit? That thing on the internet, where it's like message boards or something?
Starting point is 00:00:52 Yeah, well, we have a sub one of those. Go to R-slash Bat Hasbara and you will be able to, you know, post stuff like posts some of your favorite, you know, bits of propaganda that you've seen, or, you know, post questions or post, you know, episode requests or episodes suggestions. Basically, post to your heart is content. Also, and I want to thank our moderator, J.P. Ben, who is the mod of that, as well as being the guy who is running the at most most most. Moral Pod Bad Hasbara Twitter account. So follow us on Twitter at Most Moral Pod. And thank you, J.P. Ben.
Starting point is 00:01:40 I also want to thank someone who's helping me a bit out with some producing. And that is Adam Levine or Levine or Adam Levin. I did not ask him his pronunciation. I assume he probably not doing Adam Levine because there's already the maroon five guy so maybe it's adam uh levin levin feels better to say uh thank you for uh you know for helping me out with uh some of the production and uh editing down some of the clips so shout out to him uh and finally uh patreon.com slash frotcast uh if you go to that and uh sign up not only do you get these episodes but you also get other episodes of me talking about uh the
Starting point is 00:02:29 wire and the Sopranos. I know those are probably not also your interest if you're listening to this podcast, but, um, you know, it's a, it's a fun show. You'll like it. It's pod yourself a gun and the fratcast. Those are my original podcasts. Um, and when you sign up for the $5 tier or more, you also get access to the Discord. So Discord is like Reddit, but it's a different thing. Anyways, um, so yeah, who doesn't want to be part of a Discord chat? um you know if you know what discord is you know it's fun or something i don't know i think people like share classified documents in it i'm not sure what it's for but i go on it sometimes and i just watch people talk and i go like cool they're talking about stuff so do that anyways um
Starting point is 00:03:18 let's get this show started uh this is me kind of i tacked this on to the beginning of this episode because i forgot to do it once again and i was like i got to tell people about the reddit and i got to tell people about Adam and and and J.P. Ben, these guys are helping me out. Um, and, uh, yeah. So, thank you so much for your help and, uh, enjoy this episode of Bad Hasbar. Thank you so much for being here with all of us to, uh, you know, watch this podcast about, uh, Israeli propaganda. Or listen. Or listen. Speaking of which, listening, so good.
Starting point is 00:04:02 And let me tell you why. When you listen, there's, like, ads that happen in the middle of it, which is, it doesn't make much money, but it makes some money. And for me, listen. You'll take some money. I'll always take some money over no money. Absolutely. And with YouTube.
Starting point is 00:04:20 That's why you're good with money. That's why. Because if someone offered you, like, no money or money, you'll always take money. I always take the money. I always take the money. If someone's just like, I'll give you no money for you to do this. Or I'll give you some money for you to do this. Is this a Jewish trope, by the way?
Starting point is 00:04:36 This is not a Jewish trope. This is actually just anyone, I think, of any religion or ethnicity or nationality knows that you always take a little bit of money. True. Over no money. And so the thing with YouTube, listen, I love that you're here. I love that you're looking at me. I love that I have to now think about what I look like.
Starting point is 00:04:58 I love that now my shirt is fair game for people to talk shit on in the comments. They're talking shit about your shirt? Someone did. Fine. That's great. But the thing is, money can't make any on YouTube because everything gets demonetized for whatever reason. And so I just put my seat down a little. So, yeah, if you're going to be watching the podcast, which is fine with me, make sure that you, you know, check out.
Starting point is 00:05:28 out that super comment button. You see, there's a button on there that I learned about where you can say something like, hey, your shirt sucks, but you can give me $5. And for me, I will always take $5 in exchange for saying how much my shirt sucks. Always. Anyways, so do that. Um, or listen, five stars in a review. Please write reviews. Do it. Go to the Apple podcast app store and be like, I love this podcast. Bad ass bar. So good. Five stars. Or go to Spotify and do it. That would be sick. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Let's get down to business. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, we have a fantastic guest today. Our guest today, my God, she's smart. She's sexy. She's beautiful. She is the mother of my child. And she has a wonderful podcast called The Bituation Room, which you probably already listened to. But if you don't, what are you doing?
Starting point is 00:06:27 But if you don't, what are you doing? You know, it's a really great podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone, I was there I guess today is Francesca Fiorentini. Hey. You're right next to me. How are you doing? Oh, hi. I didn't see you there.
Starting point is 00:06:40 I'm good. I'm good. Hey, babe. Hey, how you doing? I'm okay. Okay, sick. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:06:46 You know, like, listen, it's been hard to book, Francesca. It's been really hard. Listen, I've been, you know, hitting up her people. Like, my people have been talking to her people. Yes. And I've been getting the run around, to be honest. Sorry about that. I just, you know.
Starting point is 00:07:00 You're busy. You're booked. It's hard. The life of a booked person. Yeah, and a mom, you know. Yeah, she's also a mother. The default parent. Well, yeah, but I do stuff too.
Starting point is 00:07:12 Who are you? I'm Matt. Which I've been teaching the baby to say, Matt. Yeah. You've also taught the baby to every time I'm in her presence and I look on my phone. I didn't teach her this. Yes, you, well, you, she learned by example, every time I look on my phone and not at the
Starting point is 00:07:33 baby while I'm in her present, she goes, hi, hi, hi, and that is something you literally do. That's something I would do. I love that. I feel like baby is like outdone me on some, trying to like shame you for being on your phone all the time. This morning I was trying to teach the baby. How did you have. I know, you know how to do.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I don't care. Oh. So she was kind of, she moves her hand. since I was trying to do the jack off and then open hand fist. I don't care. I was doing this. I don't care. She didn't really get it.
Starting point is 00:08:02 Oh, okay. Well, I'm glad you're still working on the sign language with the baby. We're going to figure it out. You know, she's doing more. More. I don't care. Yeah, she's doing go fuck yourself. She's doing love.
Starting point is 00:08:14 She's doing love. It's so cute. I love babies. Let's talk about dead ones. Yeah, which is why we started this podcast by we, I mean me, but. with the support of my lovely wife here. Francesca. You're getting more famous than me.
Starting point is 00:08:30 What are you talking about? Yeah. People are like, oh, hey, how are you? I love what Matt's doing. No, but that's only because literally all those people that you know are people that you already, like, you have to already. I want genocide to stop for many reasons. Number one, genocide bad. Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:08:49 And number two, stop giving Matt way too much, like, influence and power. It's going to. All the views, all the clicks, all the retweets. I'm getting clicks. I'm getting retweets. Very excited. I'll tell you, you know, my Twitter's off the hook, to quote succession. My Twitter is off the hook.
Starting point is 00:09:06 That's what I forgot about that. Yeah, that was what Kendall said. Ooy, yo, yoy. But yeah, no, you're right. Honestly, I think the greatest gift to the world would be a free Palestine because it would also free up my palace time to do other. projects i'm sorry about the pun um but yeah no you're you're you're right where you need to be and you um are someone who is effortlessly it feels been able to tap into the humor of all of this
Starting point is 00:09:41 something that i don't i i honestly don't think anyone else has been able to do in the way that you have maybe sammy obeyed has been well yeah no tons of Palestinian uh comics and content creators uh And, you know, like in America and in England, I've seen like just really hilarious people doing it. I think the difference is that I am- Americans are very scared. Americans are very scared. And also those Palestinian comics are not trying to like critique, like I'm critiquing liberal Zionists in America and Zionism from the perspective of someone who's like, I'm watching, I know you guys, all my American Jewish friends and, and colleagues and
Starting point is 00:10:32 relations and whatnot, I know that you have at one point said things like Black Lives Matter or genocide bad. And I'm watching people, you know, turn their back on that. And then using some bullshit faux social justice excuse in order to like allow this to take place. So, yeah, you know, I feel like that's the big difference. But I also encourage people check out Sammy O'Bade, even though he needs no shout out because he's fucking huge. He's getting big, which is like making me very happy. Yeah. Because we both at one point had the same manager who dropped both of us because we were anti-Ziners. Take that for real? I mean, I'm not going to say
Starting point is 00:11:18 that's why, but I will say that I did get a big talk. to at one point. That's right because they called their offices. Some random person called their offices. Is that right? Yeah. Or emailed him about some like weird. It was just some weird email thing. And I remember being like is this, am I being yelled at in this email? Is this an opportunity? Like what is this? And I was also like, why are you bringing this to me? Is this a gig? Like if this looks insane to you, then leave it like why would you even bring it to just ignore it? A random. Yeah. It was his way of getting into a conversation. that's such a fucking coward move yeah about it and you know it was it was cordial he he didn't
Starting point is 00:11:58 a random troll reached out to me about something you said right now i want to use this random troll right as a jumping off point and it was back when i was working at at a j plus uh which is where you and i that's right so it's where i me to do you yeah you meet twoed me there um she never forget never forget that's what that saying's about it's about me too wait is it about 9-11 or it about the Holocaust and a first, first and foremost. I think first Holocaust, then eventually never 11. Never 11. Never 11.
Starting point is 00:12:32 For sure, when I was in Argentina, Numa mas was always... So never again is Holocaust, never forget is 9-11. Yes, that's what I thought. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never forget. Never nude is Tobias Fuenke, Arrested Development. Great show. What were you going to say about Argentina? Nothing, that just like Nunkamas was always the slogan of the military dictatorship and Huntson's And look where they are now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:55 They're doing great in Argentina. Bending back towards the military dictatorship. But what are we talking about today? Today we're going to be talking about, you know, finally there's some good news. I want to talk today about the Irish. Oh. I want to talk about how in this time, as everyone who listens to this podcast knows, right now there is a trial over at the International Court of Justice. which South Africa has taken Israel to court to say, hey, that looks like genocide.
Starting point is 00:13:30 And Israel is like, nah, actually you or whatever. They basically are just trying to, you know, I'm rubber, you are glue. And the, you know, obviously, you know, big shout out to South Africa. A lot of, I think people are waking up to the idea that, you know, all of these countries that we don't even consider in the West, you know, we don't look at them as anything other than like, you know, the news
Starting point is 00:13:59 looking at them as threats, like framing them as like an economic threat like China or whatever, like any of the brick countries. And, you know, seeing that and going like, oh, finally, like a country that's run by like adults who aren't going to, are not going to lie to us at least about this issue.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Yeah. And so I've been feeling a lot of love for our South African comrades. But I also have to point out, the Irish, I take back everything I ever said about your people, your land, your love of alcohol. You mean your people? And yes, and my people as well. You know, I've always been a self-hating part Irishman. There you go.
Starting point is 00:14:39 And I've, you know, listen, American Irish and regular Irish are different. And I think that's how I feel about Italians, but they're. both bad in different ways. Right. Oh, how so? Tell me. Explain your anti-Italian racism. That's for another podcast.
Starting point is 00:15:01 That's a spicy take. That's a spicy take. But yeah, no, like, you know, I, first of all, I love the Irish. Irish are great. And I've been, I make fun of the Irish all the time. I love their accents. I think they sound silly. And they are a fun country with great people.
Starting point is 00:15:22 always respected them, but man, I've never grown to respect them more so than in the past three months. Because it's the one thing people forget about, you know, Europeans is that there's this giant block of Europeans that are all, you know, like we consider them all to be the West and they're all kind of like in lockstep behind Israel in one fashion or another. Sure, there are like pockets of people, but the EU in general, I feel like has been supportive more so than you know like anywhere else other than the united states and people forget that the irish although they are a part of the e u um they don't fucks with no occupation they don't fucks with any fucking uh british colonial they're the global south of the global north that's right
Starting point is 00:16:12 they are and uh so i've been like just like looking at some uh great uh irish content in the last few weeks. But what I wanted to say to get into our first one was American, Irish Americans very much enjoy claiming Irish status. You know what I mean? Like they're, you know, hey, you know, I'm fucking Irish. It's like, why are you doing an Italian accent? And or like, you know, the Pactiqa and Havid Yard guys. You know what I'm talking about? Like, they love it. The ethnic whites. And that includes up into the president, you know, Biden very much talks about his Irish American heritage. And recently at the European Parliament, a member of the European Parliament, a woman by the name of Claire Daly, who is an independent
Starting point is 00:17:06 and a socialist, had this to say about what's going on currently in Israel and in Gaza and in the United States. And I want to play a little bit for... catastrophic debt toll it has inflicted, Israel is losing on the ground and in the court of public opinion. There's no way that this ends that doesn't leave Israel a pariah state with occupation and apartheid on borrowed time and they know it. So they're doing everything they can. Desperate acts of aggression to provoke a wider conflict with Lebanon, with Iran, with anybody to draw in the US, to save them from the consequences. of their own actions. And as Yemen shows, Butcher Biden is reporting for duty.
Starting point is 00:17:53 With Europe's proud genocide by his side, they are the ones who have enabled the continuation of this really time. Did she just say frow genocide? I pause it. She said frau genocide reporting, with Europeans frow genocide by his side. With Europe's frown genocide by his side. They are the ones who have an name.
Starting point is 00:18:17 the continuation of Israeli terror. Without them, it would already be over. So take note, Butcher Biden. Ooh! The ancestors of the Ireland that you claim to be from disown you. Oh! Oh!
Starting point is 00:18:34 Oh! ...with your words and deeds supporting Israel in the ICJ, not in our name. The people of Europe stand with Palestine and with South Africa. Africa. Woo. Yay. Oh, damn.
Starting point is 00:18:50 Keep our fucking name out your fucking mouth. Keep our country's name out your mouth. She just Will Smith. I know. Just fucking slapped in that. On the floor of the European Parliament. So mad she couldn't even stick the land. She just left.
Starting point is 00:19:06 She just was so disgusted. Oh, my God. Like, and also, I, listen, I appreciate the genocide Joe. But butcher Biden. Butcher Biden is... It works. It works better. It works better.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Listen, this is a country of poets. I'm telling you, the Irish. That's exactly right. You know, they're a country of poets. They come from a long line. It's Samuel Beckett, I think. But I think it's really important to have, because we've only been hearing from, I mean, Germany, the UK that have all supported, you know, well, supported Israel and then supported now the bombing of the Houthis in Yemen. That's right.
Starting point is 00:19:43 But then you see, I guess France is not. negotiating some kind of humanitarian aid, uh, you know, blah, blah, but like, France is like squishy and I find that even like more detestable because they're like, well, we're a little bit more hardline, you know, a little bit more mad about it, but it's like you're still support this is, you're still squishy about it. Don't like it. Squishy. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. The wishy-washy. Yeah. Squishy is squishy squash. No, but the fact that like to actually represent, you know, Europeans who are against what is going on, I think is
Starting point is 00:20:16 incredibly important. And even saying Europe stands with South Africa. Beautiful. And just like, and then saying that we disown you, that is, I love that. The Irish people, we don't claim you. He's, I hear me butcher Biden. It's fecking over.
Starting point is 00:20:37 You can no longer talk about how you're part of us. Jesus wouldn't like it. You got to fight your da. That's what they say. No, that's right. He's like, I don't want you. I'm about to sound Jamaican. I don't want.
Starting point is 00:20:54 No, no, it's more like, yeah, yeah, I can't do Irish without going to Jamaican, but I was thinking like, and on St. Patty's Day, you are a bumbo-clat Batty boy. I don't want to see you wearing green. That's Scottish. All right. I can't. I can't do it. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:21:11 It's fine. The point is, is we love it. How do you say green and Irish? So to do the accent You got to start up here I do you too I don't want to see you wearing green It's not that
Starting point is 00:21:22 No that's Scottish is that Okay okay I don't want to see you wearing Green I don't want to see you wearing the I don't want to see you wearing an apron that says kiss me I'm Irish
Starting point is 00:21:34 You're not allowed to wear the apron anymore You can't wear the apron I don't want to see you wearing a mug carrying a mug Yeah you can't go around wearing green on St. Party's Day and trying to not get pinched. You're going to get feck and pinched either way. Now when you get drunk, it's because you're a drunk,
Starting point is 00:21:51 not because you're an Irishman. Thank you. No, it is, look, I think we need more people like this speaking out, especially, you know, for all the ways that South Africa is held up as this incredible example of resistance and liberation. and wow, Nelson Mandela emerges from prison and becomes president in this newfound democracy
Starting point is 00:22:19 and all the fucking lip service at the end of the day this is a racist world that looks and the United States looks on South Africa and is like, meh. Yeah, no, exactly. South Africa put Biden quote on notice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:39 I'm putting you on notice that we are going to be prosecuting you an international court for your complicity in genocide. So it's just like it's so beautiful. And yet again, all the fucking lip service to black freedom is just that. You know? And when black freedom wants to be more than just black freedom. Right.
Starting point is 00:23:00 When it wants to be leadership, global leadership, you immediately see all of a sudden all these fucking liberals. Yeah. All the liberals who, you know, yeah, they talk about how much they love Nelson Mandela. Great. Completely broke this thing. You broke your headphones.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I broke the head phone. All right. Everything's fine. But yeah, they talk about this stuff. And they, you know, they always pay lip service to causes that have already been, you know, after the fact. Like, I forget who said it, but someone said a liberal is someone who supports, who detests every war and every atrocity except for the one that's currently going on. Exactly. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:23:39 And so, like, you see now this, like, complete. which where all of the sudden, you know, like liberals are being like, oh, oh, yeah, South Africa's talking about it. Like, why don't you ask a white farmer how they're doing? If you want to talk genocide, let's talk about white genocide. And it's like, this is, I swear to God, like liberals, you know, they've always, I've always heard, you know, scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds or whatever but I've never really fully like subscribe to that notion I kind of just see it as like part of for some people at least me personally it was part of a progression but honestly some liberals straight up I'm not seen a fucking issue radicalize people so fast or have them so like easily
Starting point is 00:24:29 and willingly throw out any ideals that they previously held because it just doesn't fit in with this narrative that they need to support their president no matter what. And it's like, you, you're doing, you're fucking caping for this old senile man. Like, at least just, like, just, if you want to cape for him, just say he's old. He doesn't know what he's saying. His brain is broken. You know, like, do that. I would accept that.
Starting point is 00:24:57 But the fact is, is people are just, they're just like, no, I think I'm going to go after South Africa. Well, and the other thing is, is that liberalism is always about playing it's safe. It is always about not sticking your neck out. It is always about remaining comfortable. It is always about being for something until it means you might have something on the line to lose. Yes. Or it might impact your life.
Starting point is 00:25:20 And that is the sort of the yard signification of the BLM movement. You know, it is, I will virtue signal for lack of better term. I will post about it, but I won't necessarily, well, not even post about it. In this case, posting about it might actually cost you a job, a friend, a relative, or whatnot. And so it is a perfect issue to, and I would say, as you've seen and as we've seen, liberals truly cower in absolute, cower and cowardice. Yeah, yeah. I've also seen young people, I think, become radicalized by this moment. And I think in a lot of moments, I will say, let this.
Starting point is 00:26:04 moment radicalize you. It is okay to be radicalized by this moment. And it is happening to so many folks as they see that structurally, when something so heinous happens on our dime, no, we will still not be moved to stop it. I mean, just this week, right, Bernie Sanders, of all people, because my God, he's been such an absent leader in this moment, finally, you know, put up this resolution in the Senate to investigate to just, hey, check into Israel's actions. This is a week after South Africa lays out this beautifully succinct case in five ways that Israel is not only doing genocide, but has genocidal intent, stating even in their case, like, nobody sets out to do genocide. So we understand that. No one who's in the middle of a genocide is, I hear, I declare a genocide.
Starting point is 00:26:59 We are doing one genocide. Yeah, I have a genocide. Exactly. So in this moment, it's like you see South Africa step up. You see them, you know, bring fucking receipts. And then you see the United States is like, hey, maybe we could like keep receipts. We don't have to do anything with them. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:27:17 Let's just keep them. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let's just like. Let's bookmark them. Let's bookmark. And he didn't even say. Just create a folder.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Exactly. There's no, there's no genocide mention. It is just human rights violations. And they could not pass that. Was it 72 to 10? 11. 17 to 11 that it got struck down in the Senate. And you just like, you look at that and you, it's, it's so disheartening.
Starting point is 00:27:43 And it also, you know, it feels like such a total moral failure on the part of not just, honestly, not just the people voted against it, but the people who brought it for, like Bernie Sanders bringing it forth now. You know, and I think part of me of my resentment is that, like, well, I'm glad he did something eventually. A big part of the resentment I have against a lot of people for the last three months has been, we said this is what is going to happen. This is from the beginning, it was like, we know what is going to happen. Based on Israel's history with Gaza especially, but just, you know, the Palestinian in general, if, you know, you kill one Israeli citizen, they will kill 20 Palestinians. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:28:35 They'll kill 30 Palestinians. As soon as I saw the numbers of, you know, the dead in the October 7th attack, I was like, oh, this is going to be a pretext for another Nakpa. Absolutely. And anyone who knew anything about this said, we need to make sure that that doesn't happen. We need to make sure, just as people who, you know, you and I, at least, who lived through 9-11, we said, like, we know how much a terrorist attack brings out the patriot in people. And we know that that patriot is a genocidal freak. So as someone who's experienced this, you know, Americans, I think we can all agree.
Starting point is 00:29:16 We should probably say, hey, Israel, we know, we know. Don't do it. Don't do it. It will not work out well for anybody. And yet, I think that obviously you and, I mean, we can't say anything the United States could have. It was incumbent upon the United States. It was incumbent upon President Biden to say exactly that. To do, to have, to show some leadership.
Starting point is 00:29:38 And not just leadership, but like, I mean, as we're seeing the State Department, you know, and all of the dissent cables and all of the people who've resigned either, you know, actually two, only two at this point, but just internally we know the Biden administration is not on board. And again, this is just like this is state craft Middle East policy 101. Israel will have an outsized reaction to the population of Gaza that they control, in fact, and they are desperate and have taken measures over the last, you know, 30 years to try and pull the United States into a hot war with Iran specifically. They and Saudi Arabia have it in their interest to sever any diplomatic ties. between Iran. Like there's just, it's just like on and on and on. It's not even about like Palestinians, let's put them here for half a second. It's about sheer self-interest. Yes. Like preservation of literally American interests around the world and preventing like a
Starting point is 00:30:39 World War III. Right. And any State Department intro fucking intern could say the same shit that if you and I say online suddenly we're anti-Semitic goons. Yeah. And and I think you're right. Well, I'm self-hating your anti-semitic. Right. And the reaction that a lot of us had, I think, after October 7th, beyond obviously shock and, like, you know. Or and discussed. Yeah, disgust and, like, depression.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Was that, I think the reason you saw so many people immediately talk about the occupation, immediately talk about contextualizing these heinous acts, is because we all knew. We were on the precipice of a genocide. Absolutely. We all knew that unless we remind the world that Gazans are prisoners and that Palestinians are prisoners, then suddenly it will look like they're all animals and it will be okay to kill as many as we want, as they want. So that's why you saw this immediate solidarity is because it was a warning.
Starting point is 00:31:42 It wasn't a, I stand with Hamas or I agree with that. It was a, please don't do this. Yes, it was in no way, you know, and they still tell. this day call it for these uh protests like pro hamas protests it's so fucking disgusting because it's just so um it just is a way of making uh anyone who has a conscience or knows anything about what's going on it puts it in the category of oh these are the people it's okay to murder right you know what i mean and so like you know you're i agree with you 100 100% the idea of giving context the idea of reminding the world of being like, in case you don't know, it doesn't justify the reasons for
Starting point is 00:32:29 Hamas doing the attack. It doesn't justify the violence. It doesn't justify any of that. But what it does do is stops you from going like, oh man, I guess there are just some people out there who are born bad. Right. They're born bad. They're born to kill. It's in their DNA. It's in their society, it's in their blood, we need to wipe them off the face of the earth. That is genocidal language and I knew that this was going to be that pretext. And it was why, you know, I think anyone who spoke out was immediately chastised by, you know, people that, you know, people that they knew, people that they didn't know, or, you know, like were punished by their workplace or all this, Because of the fact that this is, it is seen as, you know, it is, in this country, seen as politically incorrect to talk about the context of Israel and the context of Zionism and Israeli society.
Starting point is 00:33:31 It's just, it is, there is an active effort by Zionist bullies to stop people from saying out loud these things. And instead, which is worse for anti-Semitism, by the way. It's one of the big reasons I'd like to talk about it is because what I see is people becoming, I swear to God, it's like there is anti-Semitism that is happening on the internet. And in real life, I've never disputed that. But one thing I am seeing is people living in these bubbles where their only news sources, or the mainstream news sources are not being honest with them. And so they become conspiratorial. They become, and I'm not saying that, you know, like, if you're anti-Semitic now,
Starting point is 00:34:25 you probably had a little, you know, anti-Semitism of Bruin in the back of your mind. Sure, that might be the case. But I also think that we, like, allowing Israel to control the narrative, the narrative of the Jews and the Jewish people is incredibly. dangerous. Incredibly anti-Semitic. Do you want some of my not Stanley Cup one of it? Yes. It's not a Stanley Cup, but it's good.
Starting point is 00:34:51 Anywho. We got to pick up the baby in a little bit. Yeah, I know. We've got to pick up the baby soon. But yeah, we're going to move on to some more Irish. Once again, big shout out to the Irish. We had this wonderful IJC lawyer.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Her name is Blinian Nagarola. I could not with this name. Blyne. I think... Ne garrala. I think it's Gralai. I think it's Gralai.
Starting point is 00:35:21 No, it's, no, because it's like, it's... Gaelic. So it's like, it's probably like, bring ni Gragon. Oh, God. It's not... Between this and the South African names, they were throwing me for one, man. Blinny Gragon. Brinny Gragga.
Starting point is 00:35:36 Gragai. Oh, she's briny nigragga, yeah. All right. So, uh, Mrs. Brinion Nogne said this over at the ITJ. She was for South Africa. Yes. The world should be absolutely horrified.
Starting point is 00:35:51 The world should be absolutely outraged. There is no safe space in Gaza and the world should be ashamed. I love her. Now, we're not going to watch the whole thing. In conclusion, I share with you two photographs. No, this is the best part. The first is a of a white board at a hospital in northern Gaza, one of the many Palestinian hospitals
Starting point is 00:36:19 targeted, besieged, and bombed by Israel over the course of the past three brutal months. The white board is wiped clean of no longer possible surgical cases, leaving only a handwritten message by a Medicines Sans Frontier doctor which reads, We did what we could, remember us. The second photograph is of the same white board after an Israeli strike on the hospital on the 21st of November that killed the author of the message, Dr. Mahmoud Abu Nujela, along with two of his colleagues. Just over a month later, in a powerful sermon delivered from a church in Bethlehem on Christmas
Starting point is 00:37:04 day, the same day Israel had killed 250 Palestinians, including at least at least at least to 86 people, many from the same family, massacred in a single strike on Maghazi refugee camp. Palestinian pastor Mundra Ishak addressed his congregation and the world. And he said, and I quote, Gaza as we know it, no longer exists. This is an annihilation. This is a genocide. We will rise. We will stand up again from the misery.
Starting point is 00:37:41 of destruction as we have always done as Palestinians though this is by far maybe the biggest blow we have received but he said no apologies will be accepted after the genocide what has been done has been done I want you to look in the mirror and ask where was I when Gaza was going through a genocide I hate that the answer to that question for me is making a podcast but I also at the same time. I'm like, I don't know what else to do. Well, I really love, she continues on just briefly and she said, South Africa is here doing what we can. And it was just so moving because it was like, where were you? And she's like, we're here. Like, we are trying to do, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:32 whatever is within our power to do. We are exercising this, you know, court that like lives in some sort of Matrix-esque, like, you know, womb that they get, like, crawl out of when they're like, did someone say genocide, you know, and they're like, blip, blah, blah. You know, like, who knows where they come from? They're from all over the world, actually. Yeah. And they serve, I think it's seven to nine years, something like that. Pretty cush job.
Starting point is 00:38:58 And so they, and she's like, we're doing what we can. What are you doing? What are you doing? And I felt like with South Africa, Like South Africa is doing, I think, on a national, on an international level, what I think a lot of us feel like we've been doing in our personal and private and professional lives. Right. We have no choice. Fighting against the fucking current.
Starting point is 00:39:22 Which is fighting against the current and saying the unpopular thing, even though it's going to incur a lot of hate and a lot of and backlash. And in the hopes that history will show that we were right and that not just to be right. And that not just to be right. Yeah, not for the sake of bragging rights. That's only 5% of it. But to be, to turn the page on this kind of like death and destruction. I mean, that was the whole framework for international law is to say, hey, we've done a lot of these. They're bad.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Holocaust, real bad. Yeah, genocide's bad. Let's set it. Let's create some laws and move. move as one global community to a world where we don't do this to one another. How about it, guys? Right. And that's sort of what South Africa is banking on and betting on.
Starting point is 00:40:20 And I will say back to your Brick's comment, the thing that I said to you when this first happened was I believe that Israel showed up because they don't always show up to these things. I believe they showed up because they're scared as shit. And they're scared of South Africa because South Africa is not a random country. actually an economic powerhouse, right? It does have money. It does have trade.
Starting point is 00:40:40 They don't want to be embargoed. They don't want to lose trading opportunities. And they sure is shit don't want. And Brazil's made a lot of noise. Russia's made a lot of noise. Russia's demand has trying to put forward ceasefire resolutions through the UN. I know we're used to fucking hating Russia, but, you know, no one's given Russia just a little bit of credit, despite their own atrocities in Ukraine for trying to stop this. thing. So there's one good thing that they're doing, even though it's massively hypocritical.
Starting point is 00:41:12 But so it's like, you know, Russia, India, India couldn't give a shit, couldn't care less. You know, like Hindu nationalists, not really going to, I mean, obviously the Indian leadership, but like South Africa is part of this block that Israel is like, shit, dude, these are kind of our trading partners. And if we're totally screwed with them, that might not be a good look economically moving forward, which is just so crass to think about Israel's economy. You know, I turned on NPR the other day, and it's like, the war on Gaza has continued for 100 days now, and how is the Israeli economy doing? Israelis are concerned that because of so many conscripted soldiers, there's no one left
Starting point is 00:41:55 to run their shops. Let's check in with Dibi Bidi-D-B-D-B-D-B-D-D-U, and you're just like, I can't believe this is a conversation right now. Yeah, straight up, there was an interview with some people who have like a winery and Haifa and they're like you know all of our you know employees are are are not coming you know back because uh Israel's decided to have a war with Lebanon right now literally that is Israel's decision this is not uh I swear I like Nasrallah came out of like hiding and was just like, hey, we got, we got your back, Gaza, but like, we're, you know, we'll do our
Starting point is 00:42:39 best, whatever. And Israel said, no, no, sir, you will be fighting with us. We will be fighting Hezbollah. And so, like, yeah, to like interview the fucking, the whiners, I'm just like, this is just, it's just so disconnected from reality. It's so disconnected from, like, the tragedy. It's so dehumanizing to the people. Yeah. And yeah, seeing like global leadership is just something that, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:05 nothing makes you, I think, more ashamed to be an American and proud to be a human than when you see that kind of stuff where you're just like, listen, I am, I, fuck borders, fuck nationalities, fuck our, you know, geopolitical allies and all this fucking bullshit. Like, like looking at South Africa taking the reins and taking more. moral leadership of this. I think you're right. Israel saw this and said, oh, fuck. Like, we, we have to defend ourselves. Yeah, we have to pretend like we care. And they know they don't.
Starting point is 00:43:40 Yeah, they don't, because at the end of the day, they know, with the backing of America, they can do whatever the fuck they want. International law is a ruse. It's a lie. It's a, it's just, it's so many fancy buildings. It's a pig with lipstick on, you know, it's just not fucking. It is not something that has any sort of enforcement arm outside of whatever the fucking hegemon is willing to give it. And the hegemon is fucking United States.
Starting point is 00:44:11 They're saying, nah, fuck that. You guys can be mad. But I do feel like South Africa gave us a glimpse of what this world could look like. If there was accountability, if nations led, if they led. Because South Africa could have easily not been a leader. The leader is the one with the biggest weapons and the biggest military the most guns and that's the United States You just follow the fucking leader. You cower, you stay in line and you don't stick your neck out Yeah. And South Africa said no, we're not going to do that and it's just like the beauty of what
Starting point is 00:44:47 If used correctly what international law could potentially mean, which is us having solidarity with one another and sticking up for one of it I remember when we were in the AJ Plus studio offices one day And we hosted for just a moment, I think they stopped by, like there was like a UN special rapporteur on human rights in the United States. And they weren't checking in on like whether we were being treated okay as Al Jazeera reporters. They wanted to check in on the Jewish guy. They wanted to be, yeah. Are you okay? Yes, I'm fine. I love my work. I don't know, but they were.
Starting point is 00:45:22 My boss is not me-toeing me. I am not having a relationship with my boss. us. That's the first thing Matt told them. No, but they were doing this study of the United States, our poverty levels, our lack of health care, our housing conditions. And I was like, oh, good for you. Yeah, yeah. Hey, good for you for, because we, you know, we could use some help. Yeah, totally. I'd love to have a UN monitor on this fucking nation of ours that, uh, it pretends to be both a democracy and a first world country. Yeah, air drop me a car, please. My civic is broken. No, it was just, It was really, again, this little glimpse, this taste of like, oh, there is an international community out there.
Starting point is 00:46:04 And it is not just, again, bending to the United States as will. Right. But, you know, at the same time, you just see, like, when it comes to enforcement, there's like, this is going to be, I think, for, you know, the world and, or, you know, whatever. This is going to be an interesting test to see how legitimate, um, the U.S. and how much the United States backs the U.N. is going to be put to the test because, you know, for the most part, we use the U.N. is kind of like this, you know, we refer to it when it's on our side. And, you know, for the most part, it is. And you see how when it comes to Israel, the U.N. is just is honest. and they vote and they try their best to be like. But the U.S. doesn't have a veto here in the International Court of Justice. No, they don't.
Starting point is 00:47:06 They don't. I mean, it's a little bit different. No, right. And I think the real thing is like, we know that it might, the decision might not come down for months, which is sort of ironic because they sped through the trial, which is great, because they're trying to stop genocide now. Right. But it's not clear they'll have a verdict anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:47:19 But who knows, they might return a verdict really soon. The real thing is, again, is like if there is no accountability, yeah, how can, and it might not come from the US. We have to do our part here. But those other nations, what can they do to try and enact some real economic consequences for Israel for this action going forward? Again, not to disrespect the fact that this is not done, which is so sick, because we don't even know what the fucking end game is here. Really, do you truly believe they're going to move to more targeted strikes a like a more
Starting point is 00:47:55 narrow war yeah no a more humane apartheid yeah that's like the best case scenario you get here is a more is just more of the same more more apartheid it continues but I mean in Gaza like what's what I'm saying that that's the best case scenario
Starting point is 00:48:14 and I don't believe that best case scenario I have no faith in the idea that because like if there's one thing that has been shown to be true. It's that Israel can do whatever it wants without consequences. So if you're not giving them consequences, then
Starting point is 00:48:31 they can do their ultimate dream of the complete ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip. They can finish that. And I don't see a way in which this war ends with Israel on top and then not doing that.
Starting point is 00:48:47 Because of the fact that they are being told essentially, that they can. I mean, currently, you know, there's this genocide trial that is happening. And there has been no, okay, let's cool it on the genocide for a little bit. It is, it is just continued. They're besieging the last hospital in Gaza as we speak. As we speak. And so, you know, like I look at this and I go, in terms of end goal here, the end goal, I think they've made clear multiple times, which is that of the complete transfer of the majority of, of the population of Gaza and the re physical occupation, you know, of Gaza.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Now, I could be wrong and international pressure and the United States pressure may pressure them to just uphold the status quo in which they'll just have Gaza there again under siege and, you know, locked up. It'll just be an open-air prison again. And that's just... It's absolutely uninhabitable. I mean, one of the things that I think South Africa also showed was, and I hadn't seen footage like this, but the complete detonation of whole neighborhoods. Oh, yeah. This is after neighborhoods were bombed.
Starting point is 00:50:02 Yes. This is after you can imagine the majority, if not all, people were either killed, injured, or displaced, or all three. And they are leveling neighborhoods. I mean, the number of houses, it's something like 3,000 houses a day or something insane.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And you're like, no, they are clearing the ground to rebuild, to reoccupy, to put their own settlements on. Yes. It is happening under the United States very fucking watch. Yes. I mean, like coming out of this, it is so laughable that the U.S. would imagine themselves to be any kind of arbiter for any kind of peace process going forward. That is done. Yeah. That is completely dead and done.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Yeah. You know, I mean, just the fact that you see today, France being the one to negotiate humanitarian aid trucks reaching Gaza in exchange for medicine for hostages shows you that the United States is a zero on this. Completely. And everyone in the international community has given up on it. And again, it doesn't mean we don't have a role to play as Americans. Oh, it means. In the world's eyes, they have lost all credibility to be actual arbiters. If they ever had any, and mind you, they were hanging on by a thread.
Starting point is 00:51:30 Right, of course. But if you ever had any illusions that somehow the United States was this like moral beacon showed moral leadership and would be the people to stop bad things, you know, which people may have like thought, you know, with their support of Ukraine or whatnot and been like. like, oh, yeah, you know, they're not war mongers. What they are is people who are, have the, you know, moral certitude. They are right. They are the moral leaders. And then you see what happens in Gaza and you go, like, none of this is about morality. None of this is, America has no foot to stand on.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Yeah. And you see that. And I think it is pretty fucking clear. Russia, you know, we just said about Russia. It's just like, you know, like, fuck Russia. But wouldn't it have been an interesting moment for the United States to not veto a ceasefire resolution? Right. To work with Russia in an international community space to say, let's rein in this genocide that's happening.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Yes. As a diplomatic measure to softening a little bit of the relations. Right. And potentially. Not even for moral reasons. For like completely just American interest. I'm saying. That is exactly what I'm saying. And I would not see that move as throwing Ukrainians under the bus. I would not see that move as capitulating or giving up on Ukrainian, you know, sovereignty. I would see that as experts have said for a long time now as the beginnings of some way to fucking use diplomacy to get out of what is also another incredibly costly awful war, although not rising to the level of genocide, but in Ukraine. Yeah. But no, we. have to pass up, or at least the Biden administration has to pass up every fucking opportunity
Starting point is 00:53:24 to de-escalate this goddamn situation. They're dug in a way that is like baffling to most people and is completely counter to if, you know, to anyone who ever had any thoughts that the United States was like a country that at the very least would act, you know, with strategy or, you know, with strategy or, sort of a clear geopolitical narrative that you understand. Like the only narrative here is just like Israel is our 51st state. That's the only narrative that makes any sense. And we have a Zionist president.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Israel's our 51st state. They are, we are protecting them as if they are just the United States. It's funny because I truly did not, I didn't see this. Like, I don't think I knew enough about Biden's Palestine stance to think that he could be just as bad as Donald Trump. I'm not going to say worse. No, he's just as bad. I think Donald Trump would have done the same thing. Some people are like, oh, if Donald Trump had been in office, it would have been worse.
Starting point is 00:54:37 And I was like, I don't know how it could be worse. I don't see how it's literally done nothing but support this. I mean, the only way it could have been. Trump would have supported it as well. Trump might have gone and like Mike Pence signed a missile. Yeah, right, right. signed a bomb. Yes, Trump would have made this about himself in some way, whereas like, you know, Biden is doing his best to at least look sad when he says, but we got to keep killing the kids.
Starting point is 00:55:03 Yeah. Which is, means less than nothing to me. So yeah, no, but it's like he's as bad as Trump on, on this current conflict or as Trump would have been. And like I saw someone say he's like, well people understand that like Trump will would be like you know uh torturing more Palestinians and I'm just like I don't I think I don't know how he could how like Israel is literally just doing exactly what it wants when it wants yeah yeah how could you be more permissive you can't be more permissive than do whatever you want there is not you know there's not something more than that they don't have restraint so why would saying show no restraint mean anything to them.
Starting point is 00:55:50 So anyways, one of the other things I want to point out is just to get back to the Irish, because this is our Irish theme episode for no reason. Bleen. This is another wonderful, wonderful Irishman by the name of Tad Gah, Hickey, the T-A-D-G-H, which I, assume is pronounced Todd Geha
Starting point is 00:56:20 Hickey and he explains if you're ever wondering why why are the Irish so dope why are they just the greatest land in Europe here it is understand the Palestinian
Starting point is 00:56:36 anti-colonial struggle in a way that the so-called great European nations France, Germany, Britain can never understand these countries have traditionally been the oppressor and not oppressed. Ireland, like Palestine, knows what it's like to be brutalized and to have
Starting point is 00:56:53 our land confiscated and gifted to settlers who deem themselves to be ethnically superior to us. During Oliver Cromwell's genocidal campaign in Ireland, his slogan for the native Catholic population was that they could go to hell or to conuct, i.e. to poor land in the west of the country, a likely early prototype for Native American reservations. Like Palestine, we never stop. resisting our oppression, which led us to being labeled terrorists by the oppressor. A Palestinian friend recently told me that when Palestinians refuse food in Israeli jails and accept only water and salt, they call it going on an Irish hunger strike.
Starting point is 00:57:34 The recent racist and orientalist cartoon in The Washington Post depicting Palestinians as base and amoral called to mind the similarly dehumanizing British Punch magazine depictions of Irish as Simeon and Lawless. During Ireland's War of Independence, which led to the partial liberation of the country from the British Empire, the IRA fought a particularly reviled class of British soldier known as the Black and Tans,
Starting point is 00:58:04 who were infamous for their brutality against the civilian population. Well, after the war, some of these fine gentlemen were exported to Palestine. In fact, Britain's partition of Ireland and the creation of the British Unionist supremacist state of Northern Ireland became a kind of prototype for the Zionist project, with Britain declaring its intentions to create a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially
Starting point is 00:58:30 hostile Arabism. In more recent times, my friends in the north of Ireland have experienced something at the hands of the colonial oppressor that Palestinians know only too well. That is the denial of justice. Britain's recent, shameful legacy bill effectively grants amnesty to British soldiers who carried out war crimes during the troubles. These are some of the reasons why many of us have your back. Oh, and because it's the right thing to do, there's nothing complicated about genocide. Thank you. Tagadagga. Because honestly, like, I've always known that like in Ireland there are, you know, when you sort of get involved in Pelham, Palestinian, like, solidarity movements.
Starting point is 00:59:16 You'll always see, like, Ireland has, like, Palestinian flags. Yeah, yeah. You'll see this, like, Irish representation. There's, like, tons of Palestine. And you sort of get it, but, like, that was. They have green in their flag. There's green in their flag. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:59:31 But then there's just like. But it's more than just the green in the flag. But this is, again, this is what, and I think it's really important for people outside of the United States to understand and remember is that Palestine is an international symbol of anti-colonial resistance it always has it always has been this yeah and and just by the mere fact of it being created at a time of peak anti-colonialism while precisely decolonization was going on it was created and that became this international symbol of like that looks like colonization and it wasn't and we have just decided everyone is anti-semitic because guess what the fucking people who are the in
Starting point is 01:00:06 the most solidarity with Palestine were not the perpetrators of the fucking holocaust and all of the complicity that went along with it against the Jews. These are these are fucking Latin American countries and African countries and Asian countries. These are not countries that were, I mean, okay, I know there was some like Nazi, you know, fucking, you know, perone was not so great when it comes to like. No, no, of course there's. But also, more importantly, the people who were, you know, enabling Zionism and are to the state still continuing to support Zionism. are Europeans who fucking hate Jews and I'm sorry but like you're at that time you're telling me you're European in the 40s didn't hate Jews they did that was the whole thing
Starting point is 01:00:52 that was like the fucking whole Holocaust thing so you know just this idea that like um you know there's nothing that would make me more mad and I'm not Jewish but then a right winger using my identity I'm telling you this is my shit as a fucking reason to like support a genocidal foreign country that I don't really care about and I've never been to and whatever but like I mean Donald Trump has said this
Starting point is 01:01:18 to American Jews like many times you should love me more because I love Israel I love Israel yes and it's just like well now we have Biden right right exactly our Israel lover but you know like it is that would make me that would make my skin
Starting point is 01:01:36 crawl and that's why I don't understand liberal Zionists because I'm like, don't you see that your religion, your ethnicity is being weaponized by the right to basically control you and to the worst and most disgusting ends possible in, you know, either in there y'all should just move out of this country and or the end times will be prompted by you going to Israel, which however way you slice it, it is so, bad faith and offensive and straight up anti-Semitic and anti-Semitic that you're just like how are we not are we not all seeing this are we not all seeing i'm telling you i mean listen a lot of us a lot of us do see this and a lot of us um talk about it and then
Starting point is 01:02:28 a lot of people you know want to have it both ways want to have it both ways that's the thing about liberal Zionism. It is just wanting to have it both ways. It's like, how do I create a narrative in which I am still the main character good guy of my life? And at the same time, I have my fucking, you know, ethno state club med that I can go to eventually, that I will let both Palestinians and Israelis bleed for. I'll let them die. And a continuous cycle of violence because one day I might need it. Just like a total fucking disgusting like a worldview that is pounded into you because you're told that's what it's for. So you're like, oh, I guess that's normal. And then once you like step back and go like, wait a second, this is a contingency plan that is based on me
Starting point is 01:03:22 like being kicked out by right wingers. Yeah. And so in order to be safe, I need to support right wingers, right wing genociders. Like I'm being kicked out. by genociders, in order to stop that from happening, I need to support these genociders. Like, you have to have cognitive dissonance in order to fully believe that. And I think that's what they kind of count on. Before we go, because we have to pick up our baby. I feel bad that we've rushed through this episode. And I feel like you had so many more clips.
Starting point is 01:03:53 I feel like there was more Irishmen to be at. No, those were all the Irish. I think we've had enough for the fucking Irish. We're fucking done. I'm sorry. If I have any Irish listeners, you know, I love it. No, but it's just, it's so, it is so important to remember the fucks that got us into this, the fucks who have colonized the world.
Starting point is 01:04:14 Yes. And that they do not speak for all of Europe and all of Europeans. And the Irish have, again, long been. And that's why I have some hope for this country a little bit, because I do think other than Biden, you know between American Jews and then you know I don't know the Irish American I don't know Matt I'm trying to figure out a way to say like here's how you have hope I have hope for this I think that this country as it becomes less and less let's be honest white as it as it becomes it's becoming more and more white well okay but that the tent of whiteness of course
Starting point is 01:04:54 will expand but what I'm saying is that as this country becomes less and less more diluted. Ethnically, less and less ethnically white, where there's just, you know, I think we're going to, you know, see more and more people kind of stop looking at this as like, you know, oh, well, the Israelis are this like, you know, they'll stop looking at it as Israel as being the fucking outpost of the West and they'll start questioning the idea of like, why we need an outpost of the West, you know? And I don't know, because I see more people of color supporting Palestinians
Starting point is 01:05:39 every time, you know, one of these mowing the lawns happens. Yeah. And so it makes me feel like there is hope because the one thing, you know, with this country that I think is a thing I like about it is the fact that we are, you know, a country that has a lot of people who are not just white people and more and more becoming more and more diverse. And that is a very good thing. And I think the other thing is like, you know, as much as I am, I can't believe right wingers are jumping on are such Zionists, stay Zionist, please. Because as we're talking about, as soon as they start to dabble in anti-Zionism is when it really becomes
Starting point is 01:06:24 anti-Semitic to be against Israel's actions. Right. Right-winger is anti-Zionist. I'll tell you right now, they are it's not because they love the Palestinians exactly it number 100% I mean just this week you know Trump started talking about we should have a dome why do we give so much money elsewhere we should have our own dome and he was referring to the iron dome he didn't say it he didn't say Israel he made it's hilarious gesture going bing bing boom she and he's talking about how like you know the the missiles don't hit you know whatever target because bing bing bing boom she and like and I'm telling you matt it made me so scared because I was like oh my god if he gets the magabase on board with the fact that why do we give so many so many weapons to israel you know
Starting point is 01:07:04 it's like it makes me so mad at democrats for completely dropping the anti-war mantle and and and the fucking ball and letting it just like roll away from us when it was ours and it is ours to pick up and it always has been leftist and progressives and some democrats um you know formerly bernie Sanders who've been sounding this alarm and calling for peace. And, you know, it's like, I have a lot more to say, obviously, on that. But I'm just like, you know, let us chip away at Zionism until the last people who believe in this project are psycho right wingers and everyone. And we can speak to everyone else and let them know, it's okay.
Starting point is 01:07:46 It's okay to let this go. Speaking of that, I think that there's hope for that too, because the fact that as Israel and their Hasbar campaign has become more and more aware that anyone who's in any way a progressive or a leftist or even like a lot of liberals become more and more disgusted with them.
Starting point is 01:08:11 They're realizing that it's not having the power that it once had. And so a friend of the show, Babak, who I am probably pronouncing that wrong, Babik, but it's Babi. sent me this wonderful, I think it was an AI generated Israeli Hasbara video. And if you want to know how closely the Israelis mindset is just like aligned with a right wing id, just watch this wonderful video. Israel is a young and strong guy.
Starting point is 01:08:46 He likes sports, especially soccer. He loves to learn and grow. He even invented inventions that change the world. Israel is a role model for everyone. Oh my God. A little how hot he is. Look at those veins. Look at those veins.
Starting point is 01:09:00 It's like a little boy. Israel is trying to live normal life without problems. They have always been trying to live normal life without problems. Without problems. Aiming to continue progressing and developing. I want to know what this AI was fed. I think this AI was fed straight, come. This is what is the sperm preservation program?
Starting point is 01:09:23 Yeah, 100%. Now, this is someone who said, Israelis are the 300 guys. And, yeah. But because Israel is so successful, the neighbors living nearby are jealous of him and trying to harm him. Yeah, they hate us because they ain't us.
Starting point is 01:09:40 I don't know if this is a fan who jokingly made this, or if they're bringing to your attention something that is real. This is for sure real. Oh, my God. I mean, it's AI, but, you know. Tools to succeed on their own,
Starting point is 01:09:52 But what drives them in life is their hatred towards Israel. Fucking. Just if you're listening, brown men, Arabs with turbines. Cervins on mouth open, screaming kind of, you know, just picture racist screaming. Totally not ripped either. More screaming. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:14 Sometimes they succeed in doing so. Oh, sad hot guy. Israel is a lot of rain. Israel is stronger than all his neighbors combined. He has proven that more than once Israel will continue They just got like This is so gay
Starting point is 01:10:28 Stand on its own This is really gay To bring him down will succeed Israel is a lion In the neighborhood of sheep I'm sorry But the sheep are Is the lion
Starting point is 01:10:41 So the lion's a predator Yeah the line's a predator It's just Anyways my point being that Hey Israel So Israel is a in-cell, I think is that's, Israel's just an in-cell. Yeah, there's an is-cell.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Anyways, thank you so much for showing us that. It is just like, it's beautiful when you see someone is just like, you know, the problem with Israel and our propaganda is we don't have enough Chad videos. We need them to be like fucking mega-chads, you know, and we need to make them hot. The problem is people need to see the IDF is hot. And it's like, yeah, that's not the problem. All right. I think that's been a show.
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Starting point is 01:12:03 an ending sign out but until next time from the river to the sea now no one will hire me thank you James Fritz I love you jumping jacks was us
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