Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 75: My Twin Sister's House Burned Down, with Bad Empanada

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

This week we got YouTuber Bad Empanada on the podcast to talk about various hasbara and the videos he makes.Also, this week my twin sister's house burned down in the Eaton Fire in Altadena. That was the fire that wasn't in the Palisades so it didn't get the news coverage with celebrities crying. So, if you can, please help my sister and her husband and 2 kids by donating whatever you can to their GoFundMe. This would me so much to me.https://bit.ly/yondianaSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Olive Garden us White foster us Zabrahamas Asvaras Us Hello, everybody, and welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral podcast, Matt, you're okay. I'm alive.

What a relief, gentlemen. I didn't know if I was going to be doing this alone. Yeah. No, I mean, it's a horrible thought. Doing this podcast alone is something I've done, and it does suck. And me, me being burnt to a crisp definitely would have made your life harder. as opposed to you know my own life my life would be easy it'd be done uh i wouldn't have to worry about anything anymore kind of nice in my life sadder too oh sad you'd be sad if i died i'd have to

figure out what to say at your celebration of life yeah you now have to write something fucking i met the guy a year ago off to a rousing start thank you adam no i'd be so sad we went over this the holiday special. My life would sound considerably more without this podcast. Anyway, welcome everybody. That's Matt Lieb, the world's most moral co-host. That's right. And this is Daniel Mate, the world's

other most moral co-host. But you know that, don't you? Because you're all Patreon subscribers. That's right. You guys are special. You are the pay pigs. You are the ones who roll around in the high class muck. The muck that is reserved for those with capital. And we thank you for that. and yeah so five stars in review blah blah blah all of that shit do all of that if you haven't done it already

if you're wondering what's going on why I am here not in my usual studio it's because I'm at an Airbnb because I was me and my family my wife and my child and my cat had to evacuate Los Angeles because the whole thing is burning to the fucking ground and it is is it yeah it's crazy it's wild it is uh you know i wish this was a show about local los angeles politics because i have a lot to say um on how dysfunctional this fucking city is and uh yeah but instead it's about you know uh Israeli propaganda and that is that is also something that needs to be talked about so would you have a way of saying that that wouldn't make you sound like a reactionary right winger who's just jumping on the fact that it's a democratic

controlled city or are you a reactionary right winger or does truth just have in this case a reactionary bias truth has a sort of reactionary bias in in some aspects i i have a my whole thing about you know whenever we do the local politics thing about democrats and republicans trying to tie them to national parties which is not to say that they aren't ideologically tied um certainly tied with money and corporate donors. But my whole thing is that when you're talking about entrenched party systems in any city, you are talking about a, what do you call it? By what is it called? Partisan? Bipartisan issue. You're talking about, I mean, whether it's a state like California, a city like

Los Angeles, which will always reliably vote for the Democrat, then the, then the, then the Democratic, you know, Republican dichotomy is completely meaningless. What you instead have is a conservative and someone who's slightly less conservative, and they're just both called Democrats, and they battle it out in the primary. And then whoever wins beats the Republican candidate as a matter of course, because it is entrenched. machine party politics. And so, you know, the problem with calling, oh, this is what happens with a Democrat run city. It's like, no, this is a problem with a monoparty system, whether it's at a federal level or it's at a local level, because this is entrenched power. This is, you know,

people who are getting this power are all part of the same system, all part of the same machine. Um, they don't, you know, so, so, you know, you have people being like, you know, this is what happens when you get DEI in, in the fire squad. And I'm just like, you guys are completely like politics brain. You have like politics brain worms. You're, you are so focused on the, the national whatever that you, you are going to lose sight of, uh, what the actual issues are. And, you know, uh, one of the issues being Karen fucking bass, who is, are, uh, uh, corporate dem mayor who was going up against a guy named Rick Caruso who was a fucking owned the grove just a multi like billionaire fucking candidate who was slightly more to the right than she was on certain issues especially like crime and people are like oh if Caruso had been in there is like no Caruso also would have done exactly what fucking Mayor Bass did which was L.A. Mayor Karen Bass cut fire department funding by 1.7.1.7.6 million months before the wildfires. Okay. So that actually happened. That's not that's not up for debate, right?

Yeah. I mean, as far as I've read, I've read a couple different sources on that. And I've, I've also read one source that goes, oh, actually, but if you look at the budget, they still had $20 million dollars per year in growing or something like that and uh and it seems to be the exact same screenshot from the exact same account so i kind of feel like there's a little bit of uh pr whitewashing going on uh against this idea or they're trying to blame it on you know uh well it was order in order to appease the right wingers you know in at city hall blah blah blah and uh you know to me it's uh this is the kind of bullshit that happens at a local level that you You know, the minutia of it doesn't really matter to me.

What matters to me is like, here's the consequences of you cutting the funding of the LA Fire Department and then having it, you know, and then taking that money and giving it to the cops. Well, speaking of the wire, it would be inaccurate to say that your family was evacuated. That's right. I know. I did think about that. No. I'm not saying you, I'm not saying you said it. Did you say it? No, I did say it a few times. And I, and I kind of was waiting for someone to call me out on it. Like, well, listen. Might as well be me. It might as well. What would that, what would that mean, Matt? It was evacuated. You evacuate a building. You don't evacuate people. When a person who's evacuated, it means they're given an enema. Oh, it's an an an an is. Is that what

it is? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And an enema. No, an enema. A C an enema. So to evacuate something or someone is to rid it of its contents right right right right right well you don't need an enema to rid me of my contents i do it like a few times a day i'm very regular and as far as our content our content i mean oh we got lots of it we got lots of it anyway i'm glad but you but the point is the point is you're well is i'm well okay um but uh yes my family is okay everyone's alive but on a slightly more devastating note, my sister's house burned down. Yeah.

My twin sister. My twin sister who lived, you know, in that house in Altadena with her husband and her twin daughters. Altadena, not Pacific Palisades, not a rich people's neighborhood. That's right. Yes. Not a rich neighborhood like Palisades, which is getting all of the media coverage. She was like, oh, my God, how could this happen? to such beautiful people.

No, the Eaton Fire, which is just as big, on the other side of the city, the city that isn't fucking filled with a bunch of rich charter schools that used to be public schools until the neighborhood decided they didn't want any riffraff around. Side note, riffraff is apparently

comes from Aerev Rav. Did you know that? What is Aerev Rav. Aerev Rav. Yes. Meaning like... Meaning those bad fake Jews who come from Egypt to their, you know, it's like the, the, the, the baddies. That's what they call us. That's what the Zionists call us all the time. Elav. So anyways, apparently that's where riffraff comes from.

I read it in a post. It must be true. I thought Erewe meant good evening. Never mind. Never mind. Um, yeah, no, that does sound like good evening, doesn't it? I'm going to have to look, uh, I'm going to look it up. It doesn't matter. Good evening. Good evening.

It means good evening fake Jews. You, you, you say two things with, at once with, that's right. Good evening fake Jew. Um, but yeah, no. So the eaten fire was, uh, a bunch of neighborhoods that were, you know, uh, there, there were some, you know, upper middle class, middle class, poor, uh, poor folks with homes, apartments burned down. my sister's school uh my sister's kids school burned down um just fucking devastating so today our episode is sponsored by my sisters go fund me um so if you go to bit dot l y slash yon diana y o n d ian d ian a um there's a go fund me for my sister uh trying to uh get them

you know situated uh somewhere uh you know while they figure out what the they're going to do whether or not insurance is even going to do anything are they going to pay it out they're talking to fema right now it's just fucking it's horrible and devastating and i kind of hate using this particular portion of the show to plug something um related to me or whatnot but it is my twin sister and it's a big deal she needs the money literally everything that she had is gone so it's it's been it's been a bad it's been a bad few days but we're here and it's Is someone keeping an eye on your house? What's...

Right now, it looks like the fire is not going to spread the Eagle Rock, but we had to leave because the smoke was so bad that it was just unlivable, which is... It's on the other side of the highway, yeah? It is on the other side of the highway and a little bit further north. So grateful for that. But also, thank you. I just want to give one more shout out to Karen Bass, who gave some really good resources for people who are, you know, dealing with this.

And she gave a great website and I have that here. You need help. Emergency information, resources, and shelter is available. All of this can be found at URL. Los Angeles, together is how we will get through this. Through the heroicism of our firefighters. Jesus Christ. Fucking moron.

You fucking idiot. She's been taking Joe Biden's. masterclass on the best conferences. Oh, my God. Well, say it's someone, someone, someone forgot to like replace the placeholder URL with the URL. Yeah, but also like proof free. Yeah.

Oh my good God. And cognate like understand like don't just learn English phonetically like straight up Ron Burgundy ass shit. Go fuck yourself. San Diego should have been putting there. It's unbelievable. Um, yeah. So, uh,

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get a URL there, but I have a URL for you. It's bit. ly slash yawn, Diana. That's what Karen Bass meant to say. Yes, that's what, that was the URL. She was trying to, you know, trying to shout out. Please, if you can donate anything, everything, you know, helps because it is, it's, it's bad times. And yeah, so that is, that's that.

Daniel, what's the spin? well you know I wonder if there's any songs about fire in my collection you know well so I was like what am I going to do for this well I tried to think of some L.A L.A. albums so first of all

Steeley Dan Goucho today is Donald Fagan's 77th birthday and the opening song Babylon Sisters contains the very ominous line here come those Santa Ana wins again oh yeah very portentous and so yeah goddamn Johnny Mitchell,

Cort and Spark. I couldn't let go of L.A., City of the Fallen Angels. Machiavelli, Tupac to live and die in L.A. Hell yeah. Or to live and evacuate L.A. to India, California. That's right.

A cheap Airbnb. It's the place to be. The Far Side, Bizarre ride to the Far Side, which has the unfortunate sort of chant at the end, West Coast. West Coast. West Coast is on fire. But I'm going to amend that and say, we do need some water.

Do not let the motherfucker burn. Do not let the motherfucker burn. In fact, we do need water. Try and get more water. This just arrived for me. It's a gospel album by the Stovall Sisters with the Funk Soul Classic. Hang on in there. And that's my message to you, Matt and your old family, hang on in there.

And all of L.A., all my L.A. people, all of our lovely L.A. Hawks. Yes. Shout out to all the L.A. Hogs. L.A. hogs not getting burnt, burnt to a crisp. Yes, not getting turned into crispy bacon. Please stay strong out there to everyone who had to evacuate, who lost anything. Keep those pork skins moisturized.

That's right. Please do. And so that's the spin. And today we have a very special guest on this episode of Bad Hasbara, someone who is a YouTuber. I don't know why I said it like that. A YouTuber who's on the YouTube. He's on the YouTube just like us. But his videos are better.

Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, please welcome. He streams at URL. Shout out the producer Adam Levin. Shout out Adam Levin. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone else, please welcome Bad Impanada. Damn, I'm gigantic. Yeah. Well, I can make myself bigger.

check this out oh hey i don't feel um i don't feel singly out too much yeah no don't worry about i'm big and i'm red and mad you look good conservative ranting in a car look at me it was just a matter of time before we did a bad impanata bad hasbara crossover it's been this is years in the making i'd say we've been year in the making it's been yes month in the making we both have bad in our uh you know youtube names um and yet we're are both good what do you make of that am i good i don't know i think you're good um well are you my empanada is he's not he's not supposed to be bad like literally bad it's like it's bad because it wears sunglasses and smoke cigarettes okay that's oh where did the name where did the name come from

i don't know dumb the worst idea i ever had in my life yeah because i i didn't i didn't think that i would once it like I thought that I would just like put a little thing on this like a logo on the screen yeah and that was going to be the logo and then I like after like two videos I got like I was having fun so I bought a camera and then I stopped doing that and then like it's like okay I have the name and I have the logo already now I can't change them stuck with them forever and now I'm my name is bad empanata yeah it's not just your logo it's your name yeah that's who you are dog that's who you've become you're just making me want to change it more no don't change it it's good I like it because, you know, it makes me feel less alone.

No one can be, look, at the end of the day, you shouldn't take anyone seriously. That's right. Like, as a political commentator, if they go by anything but their actual name. Sure. But except you, come on. Give yourself some credit. You're special. You know, it's that bad impanata exceptionalism that we all believe in.

Exactly. So I wanted to start off this episode with just a little fun, Hasbara, that I found there's many ways that people are showing their support for those who are in peril. You know, I'm showing support for my sister and her issues. People are showing support. This podcast often is trying to fundraise for different, you know, Palestinian charities. But I often wonder, what are people doing to support the hostages, to bring the hostages, to bring the hostages home.

And by hostages, I do mean, of course, exclusively the Israeli hostages. I recently heard that the state of New York has just passed a law or is not, or there is a law on the books, about to be passed. Possibly. That would make it illegal to tear down

hostage posters or any, any signage that is pro-Israel or pro-Israelis. Isn't illegal to put the signage up in the first place? place uh yeah but it's it's not illegal if it's Israelis it might be illegal to put it up so you have to specify once it's up tearing it down is grounds for death i don't know it's some kind of crazy law that's very very geared towards protecting um people who walk by signs on the upper west side yeah so well that's good

that they're doing that but i i found i found this one video uh of one way in which they can honor the hostages in Gaza. Here's a little bit. 7th, I have been struggling, and I'm sure many of you have also, with how to live my day-to-day life. And also remembering our hostages who are still stuck in Gaza,

unable to live their life. I want to introduce you to Hannah, founder of House of Lane Creek. She has found a simple yet beautiful way to make women remember the female hostages stuck in place. Our fall winter collection, we named. Our dresses after, like the hostages. So when you wear it, you're thinking of them, and we're praying for them.

Amen. This is the Na'amah. Family, when she comes out, please God, you're going to give her one. This is the Karina. It's Shiri. Named after Shiri Bebas. This is so emotional. It's the Nova dress.

The dress that we're going to dance when our hostages come home. With Mascia. Thank you, Khana, for being such a strong voice. Her clothes are available online and in store in Cedar Hust. I'm okay so that's in Cedarhurst I'm I'm trying to think if you had a store it would have to be a warehouse full of clothing named after every single female Palestinian victim of the Gaza genocide it would take up the entire city of Cedarhurst there would be no Cedarhurst would just be one big clothing warehouse I just want to note that the pictures that they showed that are of the hostages are all of

prisoners of war not hostages right oh yeah those were the soldiers those were the soldiers Those are straight up idea of soldiers. Those are straight up, yes. It's like we're supposed to watch that and think, okay, these like women who are clearly running like a clothing brand that could not possibly be profitable. No one is buying this. Right.

These are like the real victims. These are the victims of discrimination of systemic oppression. These are the ones that we need to have sympathy for. Like, I don't know. There's something with white people and needing to feel like they are victims that needs to be investigated. Yes. There could be entire library.

filled with just that one subject. It is needing to feel like we're victims, but also needing to feel like we're really pitching in and contributing and raising our race the right kind of awareness and consciousness that, you know. It's crazy. In reality, all the hostages are, sorry, in reality, all the hostages, like, they, you know,

there's a bombing going on of like every single possible place where the hostages could be in Gaza and they don't actually know where they are. So in reality, most of them are probably dead killed by Israel. which no one talks about. Right. And which people act like, it's funny because they will in the same breath as like bring our hostages home

and someone goes like, what about the bombing and all the dead, you know, Palestinian civilians. They'll just be like, well, I blame that on Hamas. I mean,

the bombing affects them as well. Right. Everything affects. And even if they literally just said to the hostages, okay, you can leave, go. What are they going to do?

They're going to run to the street and get shot by some random idea of soldiers who think that palace. Palestinians. No, no, no. It's already happened before. They just need a wave of white flag. Yeah. That doesn't work, unfortunately.

That doesn't work? Yeah. Nothing works. They just shoot them. Fuck. Have they tried two white flags? If you had enough white flags. I don't know if you know if the case where IDF soldiers

verifiably shot hostages who had escaped, it was like six months or so ago. Oh, yeah. But in that case, they were speaking Hebrew. and they still shot them. It's like screaming in Hebrew, where Israelis don't shoot, and they still shot them. Yeah, yeah.

They had their hands up as well, and they were, I believe they had their shirts off and were waving the shirts as a signal, as a white flag, we are Israelis, we are Israelis. Yeah, they shot them and killed them, and it is, you know,

it's always the question of whether or not this is incompetence or Hannibal, I think at this point the incompetence thing is it's it's bullshit to call out in con it's like calling out oh bad apples or whatnot it's like at this point it's a pattern I mean I think at the end of the day if Israel kills hostages via the bombing they can just say Hamas killed them because we're never going to be able to know what the truth is because they're not going to tell you they're just going to say Hamas killed them full stop yeah and that's good for them honestly so why would

you know why would they rescue them why would they make a deal for them right going to do It's good for propaganda. They do not want the hostages back. They've made that abundantly clear. Any hostage that's survived this long must have must have some capo in them. Am I right? You know, like, you know, it's kind of suspicious to still be alive. In fact, you must be an enemy of the state if you can survive that long in a in a Hamas tunnel.

You don't want those people back. You're joking, but I actually do believe that that is sort of the thinking behind it a little bit. It's a country of Trump's. we prefer people who don't get caught yes exactly it's like hey if you love if you love israel so much then uh why why did you get caught by hamas and hang out with them um for so long what did you guys talk about it that whole time yeah talking about us did you talk about us what did you say about us yeah did you speak to the the subhumans yeah did you eat that food did you consort with them come on that's disgusting you lived amongst them it's so yeah what the crazy

thing about that video too is I do love the um we you know these are all uh clothing items specifically named after the the female hostages um I do I like that there's a little bit of just like random uh like white feminist uh gender politics in there where it's like well we thought we'd lift up like women voices you know like marginalized hostage voices just just get just make sure that the clothing are like made by like artisan um like small business owners who are black as well and then you it's perfect right and then uh yeah it's a feeding frenzy for um disgusting uh liberal zionists um yeah so that that that one brought a lot of uh joy to me in these dark times just uh watching one way that you can support this uh this ongoing the hostages by buying

out clothes. By buying our clothes, it was named after the hostages. That is, uh, that's pretty insane. Uh, Mr. Mr. Impanata. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Great. Mr. Mr. Mr. Great. Uh, I, I would like if you were, if, if you were Finkelstein talking to Destiny, be like, Mr. Keseida, Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr. Jimmy Chong. Mr. They have a long history of doing that. like the people who like get angry, I think as I say, have a long history of doing exactly that. Oh, really? You're in the right territory. Yeah, yeah. Well, we won't do it then. But I do want to ask you about your history regarding the subject and regarding kind of the videos that you make. How long have you been specifically talking about Zionism and let's say like American imperialism on your channel?

And what qualifies you to do so, sir? Yeah, right. Where do you? Since I made my channel, it would be like six years ago, I think I made it. Yeah, almost six years ago. Yeah. But for me, like, getting into it was sort of a natural thing because, like, I was interested in, like, the history of the colonialism of Australia, which is where I'm from originally. And, you know, learning about that, it's sort of, once you start understanding it in

one place, it's very easy to understand it everywhere else as well. and eventually I landed on, you know, looking into like Israel, Palestine, and I saw everything that I had already learned there, at least, you know, in its own different way sometimes, but it's all there. Same thing that happened to me when I looked into like Latin American history, which is what I initially, like, became sort of known for talking about before just not talking about it anymore because I feel like there's more important things going on right now. Sure, sure.

And what qualifies me? I don't know. I think what would qualify me would be the things that I make now. I would hope they would speak for themselves rather than like some shitty degree that I did, how long ago was it? Like six, seven years ago. But I do have a bachelor's degree in history

which doesn't really count for anything. I don't think that qualifies anyone for anything. Yeah, no. Daniel was joking when he asked you what qualifies. Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to clarify. You just wanted to clarify this. But yeah, I mean, I've seen you, you're someone who I think gets

attacked more so than I think a lot of other anti-Zionist voices out there and I think it's because you your videos are so sharp you don't you you don't really um I don't know what the word is it's like you're you're not trying to like call a bunch of tiny babies together and convince them of like okay this is why you're bad you're there's no cushion there you You don't pull punches. You don't pull punches. You're blunt when it comes to this subject. And I think, and you're rightfully blunt. And you make, in my opinion, like really compelling arguments for why it's okay for you to be blunt about this because it's okay for anyone who believes in humanity and believes that humans should be treated the same to criticize something that is wrong, which I appreciate personally. yeah i mean it's precisely it like um you know you can't just be on the defensive all the time you can't just always be like conceding everything to the frameworks that the people in power want you to be using sometimes you just have to tell people straight up the truth without like

five different disclaimers in the preface um and that's got to me a lot of shit over the years but i feel like now people are more open to it than they have been before and it kind of took a genocide for them to get to that point but yeah at least that's something i suppose yeah yeah i mean listen it is there's nothing more disheartening than that being what it takes for people to listen um and then at the same time you know uh the fact that there are still holdouts is there's nothing more infuriating than that people who still are completely unwilling to examine this from uh any new angle based on new information. And that new information, video after video of IDF soldier committing crimes.

Yeah, and even on top of that, you know, before this and also still currently during it, in a lot of cases, like pro-Palestinian people who wanted any, like, or who were in the mainstream, had to like abide by Zionist frameworks, like liberal Zionism constantly all the time. I mean, whether they had to or whatever they chose to is an open question. You can't know what someone's thinking, what their motivations are. I'm sure that, you know, the mainstream media incentives are there to help them out to choose. Choose wisely. Well, yeah, you can't just.

In fairness, though, I mean, those frameworks were constructed in the only democracy in the Middle East. So they're of a certain quality. Yes. High caliber framework. High Caligabur frameworks crafted in a place where the desert once had not bloomed, if you can believe it, but then it did. Yeah, it just needed the right people to get there. That's right.

The correct ones, the correct average skin turn. Yes. Right, exactly. It's a land for the right people, for the right people without the right land, as they say. But yes, I'm sorry, go on what were we talking? talking about. I kind of forgot. I forgot precisely what I was saying.

But I think I was saying like, so like, you know, there's lots of people who get very angry at me when I respond to people who are considered pro-Palestinian and I sort of dissect their overarching ideologies because for me, those overarching ideologies are the problem, you know, because it's all well and good to say genocide is bad. The Israeli government is committing crimes. it's committing genocide. But ultimately, if you can't critique that on the terms that you should be really critiquing it, if you want to get somewhere in the future, which is like what is causing this, like, you know,

colonialism, imperialism, Zionism, and all of the, like, like, the narrow spectrum of acceptable speech in the West that makes people terrified to even mention those words. So ultimately, you know, this will keep happening or things like it will keep happening elsewhere. unless we actually have the correct overarching understanding of why it's happening. So it's unfortunately, you know, even if a lot of people's hearts are in the right places, we can speculate about the motivations, but we can't truly know them. Unfortunately, you know, if all that they are capable of doing is saying Israel is committing crimes, like we need a ceasefire, this is a genocide, and they're not going to analyze

or provide people over the analysis of how and why this is happening and how we can prevent it from happening again in the future, then in a way, you know, they're ensuring that it happens again. Yeah, yeah. Is there ever, go ahead, man. Oh, I was just going to say,

I completely agree. I completely agree with what you're saying there. This is kind of my main beef with liberal Zionists. And also it is a beef I have with people who pose themselves as pro-Palestinian And then at the same time, I think you put it perfectly, they still adhere to this framework that it was developed specifically to exceptionalize the crimes of Israel as like being somewhat justified based on a history of anti-Semitism in Europe and like a way of condemning both sides equally where it's like the framework is. It is essentially there so that you can, you know, depending on the motivation, of course.

But a lot of the times it's so you can ward off the accusations from people who are, I'm sorry, bad faith actors who will accuse you of being an anti-Semite no matter what you do. So it's like trying to thread this needle where you are constantly, you know, saying, well, you know, we do need to condemn Hamas before every interview. We do need to talk about the right kind of resistance. We do need to talk about the history of anti-Semitism in Europe. And, you know, in order to then talk about it, it's like you, those people are still going to call you an anti-Semite. So you're either doing this because you are a careerist, which is like, you know, hey, I'm a comedian.

I understand careerism. I'm surrounded by it. Or you're doing it because you still have not, there's a part of your personal worldview that does believe that there is an exception that should be made. And I am not for it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it has to do with Israel being sort of uniquely bad in the spectrum of Western allies.

And they're also like, it needs a unique amount of support to even exist from them, you know? So they need something extra to justify their support of it more than they would for say Saudi Arabia. Sure. You know, Saudi Arabia is probably the second biggest Western ally in the Middle East, maybe in the world even, most important out of all of them. But, you know, they don't really need to do this, to have something like this for Saudi Arabia because they can just, they just ignore it. You know, it's bad, but it's bad in a way where like it's bad to like migrant workers, people who are easy to ignore, to like women, something that you can only really recently people started talking about and something

that you can also like, um, sort of, you know, something that you can sort of pay performative lip service to as Saudi Arabia themselves have been doing recently, you know, the reformist prince who's going to fix everything. It's his nice little profiles in the New York Times. Yeah. It's just that like Saudi is less, it all up and start again. Yeah, like they're less of a problematic ally. basically. It's not that they're not a problematic ally. It's just that the support isn't

as overt, and like the problems are a lot, the things that they do that are bad are a lot easy to keep on the download than with Israel. So for Israel, you need like a specific framework to like sort of chill anti-Israel speech and keep it within the spectrum that is allowed, which is like, okay, so, but it's a Jewish state. They're Jewish. This makes it different. Well, also Saudi Arabia doesn't have such a hysterical. compulsive need to explain itself. Saudi Arabia gives no fucks about what anyone thinks about Saudi Arabia. Israel is and always has been obsessed with its own self-image, self-concept.

Its own narrative, its own story. It's own narrative, which creates the noun, Hasbara, which means to explain. And I think that comes from Saudi Arabia as a regional power in its own right. You know, it's way stronger than Israel. It has way more economic leverage than Israel, so it doesn't need to do what Israel does because if Israel lost the international support, it would have been gone. Saudi Arabia showed in the 70s and the 80s that if it gets slighted, it can do something to the West.

If they don't, you know, it has real leverage over them. Israel doesn't, you know? So it has to do that sort of thing. Saudi Arabia really doesn't need to. You don't think withholding the star of Wonder Woman 3 is a level? I think that would be a net positive for the West. Yeah, it is interesting, you know, comparing the two because of, you do see that the main difference is that one state, Israel is built on a very specific narrative. And the, and it is dependent on international support and international support from Western governments.

And the people's support is based completely on narrative, which is, It kind of makes sense as to why, you know, they focus so much on propaganda because of the fact that, like, I'm sure there's a poll out there of, like, what does the, you know, average American think of the existence of Saudi Arabia? I'm sure it's not good. I'm sure most average Americans are just like, well, if they even know the difference between Saudi Arabia. They probably don't even know anything about it. They don't know anything about it. What they know about it is that it's got Arab in its name. So they're like, well, that can't be good.

And, and, you know, they probably vaguely have some idea about like 9-11, right? And yet they don't spend any time trying to explain themselves. They're doing a little PR push with MBS. Muhammad bin Salman, who's the crown prince. But, you know, in general, they don't really give a fuck. Whereas like the U.S., you poll, you know, most Americans, and there's going to be definitely a much larger proportion of Americans who support Israel purely, if you ask them, based on this narrative, on the story. Well, it is the only homeland for the Jews. It is a place where Jews can be safe. It is, you know, the reparations for the Holocaust, etc. And so it is kind of, it's interesting. You know, you just, you do see. see how little leverage Israel has and yet how it continues to, you know, thrive with regards

to support from the government. It does, well, it does have leverage in that, you know, it's like basically an American military outpost, but that's not so much leverage because it would lose that status in an instant if they didn't give it what it needs to be that, you know? Of course. Saudi Arabia has the oil. It's going to have the oil no matter what. It's also, you know, a way more populous country with a lot of regional cloud, a lot of regional power.

So, like, the comparison is, it's, like, not even the same. Right. You know, like, that's why when people are like, you know, you denounce Israel? Why don't you announce Saudi Arabia? Well, for one, it's not really the same thing, is it? Like, the primary victims of Saudi Arabia are Saudis, if anything. Right. And then, like, foreign workers as well.

Right. And then they're little proxy, I mean, you know, they're doing a genocide and fucking... Yeah, Yemen is well of you. Yeah. Yeah. yeah but i mean it is you know when people ask like well well why don't you also uh you know i mean it's it's it's it's completely bad faith why don't you also talk about other crimes in the world well we do anyway so right yeah it's like yeah you don't give a shit about that you just want

someone you just want a little bit of time taken away from everyone's day with regards to talking about israel that's what it is yeah yeah yeah it is it's interesting i you know looking into that into that subject um do you have you noticed um and daniel i don't i i i hate that when i start talking about streamer stuff i know part of you dies a little bit on the inside hey man you're here i'm here i'm here let's talk about it let's talk well i i i just want i'm just i i know so little about it so why don't i listen as if i might learn something okay yeah i wouldn't i would just copy your ears and wait Yeah, yeah. It's all bad. But I just wanted to get your thoughts on like some of the figures who have popped up since October 7th, who I've come out as, you know, being either vehemently pro-Israel or willing to carry water for them, or just like liberal Zionists who got turned into just regular Zionists. There's just, there's been a lot of that.

one who recently went after me because I hosted a streamer named Frogan is this guy Ethan Klein and I wanted to ask you your opinion on him just because I don't know if I know he's attacked you as well is that right yeah yeah he he said that I am like a wanted sex criminal he said he implied it now he like held up a fake tweet to the camera like Look at this tweet. This is a real tweet. It was a fake tweet. Better that.

About a year ago, I got unwanted sex criminal. Yeah, about a year ago, like, there was this Zionist harassment group called Shireon. It doesn't exist anymore. But, you know, it's just like a bunch of losers in a telegram group, basically. It's called Shireon. Yeah, Shireon. Yeah. I know what that means in Hebrew.

Which means songbook. Yeah. Okay. That's a weird name. Yeah. But, like, they fabricated a bunch of tweets to try to try and say that I'm a pedophile. just a pedophile, but like a convicted pedophile on the run or something, while also I have a YouTube channel where I show my face. I don't know how that works. But anyway, and then like,

you know, they just spread that shit everywhere. I kind of just didn't really engage with that much. Just kind of, because ultimately something that I'm discovering, which is really nice, is when you're a YouTuber, they can't do to you what they can do to others. So that's good, especially when you were a foreign YouTuber, you know. Yeah, why not? Why not? All that they can do is like impotently use the report feature, which doesn't do anything most of the time. But like, so Ethan Klein found one of those fake tweets and he held, he held, he held it up to the camera. And it wasn't even that like he was replying to me or anything. It's because Hassan watched one of my videos that wasn't about Ethan Klein on his stream. And he's

like, look, Hassan watched this guy's video. Look at this tweet that he made. This is a real tweet. And it's a fake tweet. So he was trying to destroy you to get at Hassan. yeah it's all that he cares about like i don't even think he cares about israel i think he only cares about israel because hasan talks about and his wife israeli nothing else yeah it seems he dropped a reference to hasan into some into some tweet about the la fire oh yes he did yes he was uh yes it was a tweet in which he was showing like you know you could see the smoke or the flames like from his yard and he's just like i bet husson piker is hoping i die or something like that And it's like, bro, just, just, fuck him already.

You are obsessed with this man. It was worse. It was specifically, I bet Hassan is hoping the fire destroys my hard drive on which I'm editing the video about him that I'm making, which is even more pathetic. I bet you hope no one ever sees this fan video I'm making. Yeah, he's making like that sexy in it. I bet he's hoping that the temperature of my house rises above something points up. Like, very specifically, I bet he hopes that the smoke part. in my home

except. They find me naked next to my hard drive with all these sick footage. Yeah, he has his narrative going on right now where he's making

what he calls a content nuke against his son to like, I guess attack and prove him like the worst person in the world until the end of time

but it's like dude, you're a fucking very unfunny like comedy podcaster who just coughs every two seconds

I don't like what you're dreadfully unequipped to make a video of covering a serious topic. It's going to be a complete embarrassment, except among this admittedly massive audience of millions of people on YouTube who are very stupid. They like this sort of thing. Yeah. I mean,

and it seems to be, you know, I think one of the downsides of doing content in general is that if you have any success at it whatsoever, you get trapped in your little audience bubble in which you can do no wrong. And then you slowly turn into the worst version of yourself you could even possibly imagine. Which is why I have a commitment to being unsuccessful. The clue is in the word content. Content just means stuff filling something else. Yes, exactly. Stuff occupying space in a container. That's right. Lacing your time. An overflowing toilet has all the content you could ever want. It's got lots and lots of content. Content is what gets spewed out of you when you are evacuated. That is right. That's what it is. Yeah. Well, it's, it's been interesting to see because

I've just watched so many people kind of like audiences who once very much enjoyed someone like Ethan Klein or, you know, others as well, watching people kind of like contort into this like ghoulish version of themselves where they are just so obsessed with, um, the petty things about this subject you know where they're just they're not even they don't it's like forget the whole genocide forget the whole ethnic cleansing occupation thing these guys are mean to me and that is yeah and crazy he basically lets people being mean to him polarize his political opinions which is just pathetic and like shows that he never gave a shit in the first place yeah um i think he started targeting me because i made a video

using his own framework for accusing you know that your many influencer right teenager teenager of being a terrorist to analyze like the facts that his own wife and his response to that was to just be like dude how could you call

my wife a terrorist dude dude yeah yes you made a great how dare I this no this was this was a really fantastic video it was like part of the when I was talking to

Frogan, who was the streamer who Ethan has been attacking nonstop, you made a video in which you kind of like, you compared who's a terrorist, either this Yemeni kid who is, you know, he's purporting to be a hooty terrorist or his wife. And you were able to cut together all this like footage of like his wife admitting to wanting to, you know, she had a desk job and she wanted to go into the West Bank and be a a badass in Romolo who did like nighttime raids and it was it was it was great it was really great yeah I mean precisely like there's no evidence of this kid having done anything that can remotely be construed as terrorists however my wife who went on a fucking raid in the in the internationally recognized occupied West Bank um that's

not a terrorist and how dare you say so and he's like it like it's what you said about like the obsessive echo chamber of a fan base. His fans are like, I think once Hassan, like, showed a video where I, like, made a comment or saying that Heelachline is a terrorist. And they're like, he just, he didn't even respond to that part of the video. He just let him say that. He let him accuse Heelachlan of being a terrorist. And none of them even think to argue as to why she's not.

Yeah. Just how dare you? I mean, that is really the Israeli, like, Israeli propaganda exemplified. How dare you? Like, you shouldn't be allowed to say that. but I'm not going to be able to tell you why. Yes, and that brings me to... By the way, the phrase, how dare you?

Copyrighted by noted anti-Zionist Greta Thunberg. That's right. Exactly. Yes. Shout out to Greta, by the way. She's always out here doing cool shit. Come on that as bad, Greta. She turned out to be good, much better than they want her to be.

So now they don't get her on TV anymore. Yeah, I know. Now they're scared of her because she just stays having dope politics. How dare you? Shame on you. love her. It's funny, like the one time recently where I have seen a feature in the mainstream media was on the Georgia protest because those do align with Western geopolitical interests and they just ignore everything else that she's doing lately. That's amazing. That's so incredible

where she's, they're like, okay, that's good, that's good, that's fine, that's fine. Let's get her back in here for the first time in like three years. Okay, yeah. She's, she's pro a Western government in Georgia. We'll put her on TV for a little bit. I'm sure she had a Ukraine flag at some point. Oh, I mean, listen, I don't actually, wasn't, wasn't, wouldn't, wouldn't she be the kind that would be speaking out against Putin's invasion? I mean, she, she might be, I, I, uh, you know, I, I, I feel like an invasion. She's like everywhere. I mean, she's, I don't think she even manages her in social media, to be honest, but she just like randomly shows up everywhere in the world at random

protests. So, um, yeah, she's busy. She's too busy for that stuff. Yeah. I shouldn't cast dispersions. I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure. But, uh, I, I did want to, go into this video that you did about this is the thumbnail which I have very upset this is very upsetting to me all right our Jews magical so here I was just walking around Brooklyn having a great

great day, great week as I do as a Jew in New York just enjoying my casual magic just you know snapping my fingers and bagels sliced perfectly in front of me with no knife just enjoying I mean it doesn't even feel like it doesn't even feel like magic to me quite honest because I'm so used to it it's just what I do as a Jew and then I this pops up my phone are Jews magical and now I'm questioning it and all of a sudden I can't my magic powers my spells aren't on my spells aren't working you know like yeah no I mean listen there there is this is

a question why you got to make me question this we we've all asked ourselves at one point like am i magic um and the video itself is is fantastic because it does what um uh i feel like it does what this podcast should do um and and does it so much better uh in which you are you're breaking down a conversation between um some another streamer psycho named loner box uh in which he is chastising someone who we'd never get to hear from uh it's a super cut of him explaining israel essentially. And, you know, you talk about this idea of Jewish exceptionalism and why, you know, a lot of the arguments kind of at its core, what are boiled down, when it's boiled down to, it's like,

core facet, it's that Jews have an exception when it comes to the state of Israel, when it comes to, um, claiming, uh, victim status, essentially. Um, and, and I, I thought that was a really, it was a really fascinating video and I thought it was, it was very well done. Can we, can we talk about that a little bit? Can we talk about Jewish exceptionalism? It's a, it's actually something that I'm still working on, like making more videos about at least one more. Yeah. It's just, there's so many examples of it that I've sort of fallen into the trap of being, seeing an example of it and making a video about that instead of just making one video about the concept rather than this guy is an example of that I want to make an example so don't be me yeah so I let's let's talk

about it a little bit I think that when we talk about someone like I think Ethan Klein is actually a perfect example of this when it comes to a lot of people's arguments regarding the state of Israel and what it is and isn't allowed to do seems to boil down to this is allowed because let Jews cook literally and figuratively like because of the history of anti-Semitism there is a right that Jews have in the world to not only claim the state of Israel or claim Palestine but that anything to protect it is warranted because of this history and I just you see it all the time you see it kind of like kind of behind every piece of Hasbara is this piece of like you have to understand the Holocaust

happened. Therefore, X, Y, Z. Yeah, I mean, at the very core of that is the idea that the Holocaust is special, something that I mean, obviously it's a particularly bad genocide, no denying that, but they're like the 60s, the 70s, you know, Norman Finglesin has talked about this a lot, where the Holocaust started being propped up as part of a conscious effort in the West, specifically to create this sort of narrative surrounding Israel because this is a round of time where the rest really started supporting Israel a lot sorry to interrupt in Israel itself by the way it's not that Israel it's not that Israel was commemorating the Holocaust

in a sober and conscientious way in the late 40s 50s and early 60s no Israel wanted nothing to do with the Holocaust it was only with the Eichmann trial the Nuremberg all that shit where it started to realize oh there's traction for us here and then after 1967, it started to have narrative value, and now you start taking kids on trips to Poland and the shit. But for a long time, Israel was embarrassed about Jewish victimhood. I wanted to put it in the rear view mirror.

Yeah, I mean, I've seen plenty of that. There was like a debate in Israel 20, 30 years ago, where a lot of Israeli politicians were offended by the notion that Israel was a nation of refugees that was pedaled outside of Israel. It's like they have, you know, I mean, everyone knows this by now, but, you know, in Hebrew, it's totally different than what they say in English. All right. Yeah.

Yeah. Israel is, in their conception, Israel is a country of the people who got out on time. Yeah, Israel's like a strong country, like basically a strong ethno state, except in this case, it's not a Nazi ethno state, and that makes it different. Yeah, and you see this, like, constantly when it comes to the revisionist, history around the um you know creation of modern zionism where um people get offended by the idea of like of calling it a settler colonialism and they're it's completely revisionist because the founders of zionism outwardly called it uh colonialism they outwardly called it settling they outwardly said

we are going to settle Palestine they named Palestine by name it and and it's uh it's kind of like in the, I feel like it's the same type of thing, this idea of like we are revising the narrative so it can once again fall in line with the Western sentiment, you know? Yeah, I mean, funny thing about that is that just to add on to what you said, back in those times when they were doing that, the way that you would get a new colony is you would form a joint stock company in London and you would like go to the, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, You could also just go and do it and then later ask for permission or you would ask the crown for permission or something like that. Guess what the Zionists did?

They formed the joint stock company in London and then wrote a bunch of letters to the crown asking them to give, can we have Palestine please? But it's not colonialism. They have lots of great arguments for that. Actually, they were using colonialism in a different word. They just meant going to live in a place. And I guess that's why they wrote letters to Cecil Rhodes, you know, the most famous colonialist in history at that point. That's right.

That's why they all immediately bought those fucking pointy hats that colonists were. Like, it's just like, these guys are not just dressing in the part of being a colonialist. They are actively asking other colonial figures and the fucking empire. They're asking the British Empire, hey, see that bit of land there. Can we buy that or can we have that? Can you give that to us so we can settle it? And you just see like the way in which that is like completely washed over. Now people who say, this is settler colonialism,

they are immediately met with this fake, offended thing of like, how dare you? It's not settler colonialism because we're Jewish. And when they don't want to say that directly, they instead say, but like a large portion of the people who came to Israel before and after it was founded were refugees. And it's like, okay, so do you think, let's pretend that you're not just saying that because they're Jewish. Do you think that refugees are allowed to do settle colonialism? Right. Yeah. Are refugees allowed to do this? Would anyone? Is

anyone allowed to do? And that's the question is, would they say that another? Yeah, I'd like to turn that back around on them by saying, okay, well, Palestinians were ethnically cleansed and they are still internationally recognized refugees. Would you support a Palestinian invasion of Egypt tomorrow? Right. Tomorrow? Yeah. internal consistency to it because it's obviously this group is special they should have an exception yeah and some of those people might not recognize that there's a meaningful difference between Palestinian and Egyptian Arabs but yeah that's another thing yeah no but a Palestinian invasion of uh I don't know Sweden right yeah I mean anywhere it's it's the this idea that you would

like um as a matter of course be like well yeah I mean this it is okay for a refugee group uh to you know go to a land and and and have a place to to live like they would never agree to that they would never say that that is okay and in this one case they do and it's because they are like well they're they're Jewish or we're Jewish and I think that is something that a lot of people um uh I think people have problems saying things out because of this fear that it's like, does that sound anti-Semitic? And I think the one thing that you do, and I think do a great job of, is you break down why the idea of constantly policing yourself to the point of like,

well, is this going to sound anti-Semitic? Let's face it, let's face it. the word Jew sounds anti-Semitic the word Jewish sounds anti-Semitic just Jewish tradition Jewish history Jewish holiday yes Jewish food Jewish it I'm sorry it does I remember the first time I saw someone write the word world Jewry and I thought like oh that sounds anti-Semitic and they're like no that's that's what we call ourselves I was like oh okay I didn't know that. I didn't know I was part of world jewelry.

Yeah. I didn't agree with that. I mean, it's really good that. The solution is no one gets to talk about us, for them at least, for them at least, the solution is, yeah, exactly. The solution is no one gets to talk about us except us. Yes. And I do think that that is something that you, you handle very well, which is you, you say that exact thing. You go, like, then we get to a point where we just cannot talk about this where we are, um, are.

immediately faced with a rewrite of your own morals to the point of giving it no power, no teeth at all. Your analysis is completely handicapped by the fact that you have to work around something

that doesn't sound anti-Semitic to this voice in your head that's telling you it is. Yeah, because I mean, you say the wrong, especially if you live in the way, which I don't, and you are at all involved in anything formal.

Like, you have a job, for example, that you have an employer. You know, you are vulnerable to potentially some Zionist lobby group picking up on it and spamming it everywhere. And in reality, like, these campaigns aren't, like, this is, I think this is kind of new issue of the internet that they have this much power and ability to do this, but, like, in reality, there's not that much outrage over this stuff, but they know how to make it look like there is and cause action against you, Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no. And there are still employers who fall for it. I mean, I had a former guest on this very show get, you know, called out by stop antisemitism.org. And they almost lost their job over it. They, they, you know, luckily were able to hold on. But the employer was, like, freaked out because of this, like,

what felt like a massive wave of people, wave after wave of people saying, oh my God, you employ an anti-Semite. The fact that it still works is, you know, is mind-blowing to me because I'm like, at this point, do you believe this? How can you believe any of these people? Look at the other tweets. Look at anything else that these psychos were like, you employ an anti-Semite. Look at what they say about Palestine. Just go through their profiles. They're the most disgusting genocidal freaks I've ever seen. actually, how dare you say that actually? They're Jewish. That's right. I forgot. And half of them aren't. Like, most of these are boss. Most Zionists are. Like, I'd say like probably 95% of

Zionists aren't even Jewish. They just want Israel to exist for Western imperialism. Yes. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just, it is, uh, it's, it's, it's completely nuts. But yeah, the, um, the amount of, like, psycho posting or like psycho things that people, have been saying out loud in the last, you know, over a year, I realize like a lot of it, like the mindset can be explained very much by the idea of like, well, Israel has a, it has this great exception, the Jewish people, therefore Israel, therefore all Jewish people have this particular exception to a level of cruelty that you might think is gauche, if it were anybody else.

I think we need to, like, directly deal over that. Sorry, you want to finish what you're saying first? No, no, no, please. Yeah, I think we need to directly deal over that in two ways, specifically. The first way is obvious, I think, I don't think this is the strongest argument because for some reason a lot of people don't believe this, but even if this entire Israeli narrative of, like, ongoing massive Jewish parallel all over the world and Israel being founded exclusively by like the smallest little bean refugees every single one of them was

personally a victim of the Holocaust all of them you know were like didn't need nothing you know ever wrong in their entire lives what's the Nakba we don't know right don't ever mention that like even if that were true that the idea that gives them some sort of special permission to do hard thanks other people is obviously not true right but then there's after that which also needs to be talked about and which is way more risky to talk about which I can talk about

because I'm like an independent YouTuber is the narrative of like Jewish oppression worldwide Jewish oppression even remotely true because isn't it possible that things have changed in the last 70 to 80 years whereby that's simply not the case anymore

whereby you know what is the average Jewish person in the world it's like you guys you know relatively well off socially accepted as white people in like Europe or via the US or Canada or Australia or whatever or England you know subject to stereotyping distrust kind of general resentment I'm talking about at worst I'm talking about the kinds of things that were actually running the risk of we're running the risk of people wondering what's up with those people right I think the biggest

risk is like it's more individualized hatred like people people hate you as an individual more so than you being at like some sort of at all imminent risk of like systemic oppressive. Yes. There's no job I can't get an account of being born Jewish. There's no school I can't get admitted to. There's no law firm I can't join anymore. And also that used to be the case. It used to be the case. But you said right like you said the 67 years. Right. And like that the you know individualized oppression or oppression. The individualized like uh you know slights that you talk about you know hostility maybe hostility suspicion and whatnot um are no are no more worse or better than any other type of bigotry

that it is it's it is anti-semitism being this uh exceptional bigotry this idea of like you know and and in this case we're not even talking about what i think the actual definition of anti-Semitism should be, which would be a systemic oppression. But it's hard to think of a single group that I would want to change places with as a Jew in North America. Yeah. I mean, would you rather be gay? Just if you could only be one thing.

If you could only be one thing. I would like, I would rather be gay, a gay Jew would be cool. I mean. I'm saying if you could only be one thing. Could you rather be gay or Jewish? Well, gay. Would you rather be black or Jewish? Would you rather be his oppression?

Would you rather be Hispanic or Jewish? Yes. Yeah. Like what's going to create a bumpier road for you? I agree with your point completely, but I just want to, for the record, say that it, I just... You want to be gay, so go be gay. I don't want one stopping you, Matt. No.

In fact, the hogs have been calling for it. I'm just saying that it just seems like, I don't know, I feel like you, I hang out with your, your, your bros all the time. Oh, my point being... that, like, yes, it is, and you rightfully point this out in this video, which is that, you know, the people who are bringing up this oppression, you know, the people who are talking about this, like, anti-Semitism and whatnot, are the ones from the TikTok we watched. Yes, exactly. You can just look at that and tell those people, are these people victims of oppression?

Are these people, like, victims of... anything systemic like give me a fucking break and at best at best you could say that they're doing stolen valor from like their grandparents you know when it comes to like the you know experiencing anti-semitism uh and then you compare that um you know at least systemically if you compare specifically to you know um like who are the jews of the united states it's not the jews it's largely the muslims is is one for sure sure, black people in this country. We need John Lennon to come back and write a song.

Muslim is the Jew of the world. Yeah. Interestingly, the root of the term anti-Semitism in the first place, people who invented that term were anti-Semites and they thought it was a good term. And the whole point of them inventing it was to say, Jews are like Arabs. Yes. Jews are like this enemy population. Right.

The very root of it is to say, you are bad because you are like Arabs, basically. Exactly. Yeah. And it's, yeah, it is, it is crazy. What was I going to say? Yeah, you bring up, like, the fact that like the way in which we talk about Muslims in America, it just sounds like anti-Semitism. It's like what we would describe as like Nazi-level anti-Semitism. I mean, I don't like the talking point where the people say were like, you know, technically. Arabs are Semites too because, you know, anti-Semitism, it doesn't have to literally mean it. Right, right, right, right. It's just a term that can be used for, like, anti-Jewish racism, basically. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then there's also anti-Semitism as, like, a belief system as, like, an ideology that goes beyond that, you know, like, a set of, like, conspirational ideas regarding Jews as, like, a sort of magical hive mind who are always conspiring behind the scenes and, like,

innately untrustworthy, that sort of thing. And all of those ideas are applied to, mostly to Muslims and also to Arabs in general, especially as a migrant population in the West. Now, like, just look at the way that the Germans especially are talking about them. And ironically, the idea that they are anti-Semitic is utilized against them to sort of paint them in this way. Right. It's okay to do anti-Semitism, essentially, against a group of people, if you can call them bigoted against Jews and you see like in America

it's the same thing there's this tweet I got from a senator out of Florida named Randy Fine Oh the Hebrew hammer The Hebrew hammer And this guy's way overdue

For a bad Hasbara The Worldwide Muslim Problem Yes hashtag Muslim problem It's time to deal with these fundamentally This fundamentally broken and dangerous culture

So I'll read that tweet Muslim culture That's singular monolithic culture of billions and billions of people from every single continent. It says, Muslim terror has attacked the United States. Again, the blood is on the hands of those who refuse to acknowledge the worldwide hashtag Muslim problem. I'm sorry, but how is Muslim problem? That's just the Jewish problem. You're doing it again. It is like the idea that's like the Jewish question, the Muslim problem, like all of these tropes, they sound exactly the same

and you just look at them and you go like, how can you have this cognitive dissonance? How can you not see that? By not having, by not having cognition in the first place. Well, yes, you need to have some cognition. I mean, it's not that. It's just, you know, they have a set of goals that this serves. And I mean, maybe not that guy, but maybe people above him who do have cognition who he's useful for. Yeah. But I mean, I do think, though, that, there is without it I don't think it's entirely you know um a cynical like agenda driven thing I do think it is but it's not entirely I do think that it plays on again that type of exceptionalism where it's like no this is okay language if I'm talking about the enemy

of Jews yeah it's funny because if you go to like a Zionist lobby website almost all of them will have like a list of anti-Semitic tropes. And you can read those and each and every one of them if you change the word Jew to Muslim they are literally being applied right now. Yes. Yeah. It is fucking crazy.

I want to show a cartoon. It is not a full animated cartoon. It is an image, a political cartoon that I found that kind of like explains or not explains, but it's a good example of sort of what we've been talking about.

in terms of like this weird cognitive dissonance between like something a psycho would post and someone who thinks they're the good guy posting it. So let me show you here. This is a picture of a dove with an, with the star of David and Israeli flower. You're going to claim that you found this one, man? Did, are you, are you really going to,

are you really with your whole face, your whole chest? Did you find this one? When I have the text record showing that I texted this to you and Adam last night. Okay. Well, I'll, I'll be real with you. it. I had already seen it, but when you show me something, I, I don't like to, what am I going to text? I've already seen it. It feels weird. It feels like an attack. I didn't want to attack. Now I looked like the asshole. Because I am. Because I am. No, but so, uh, our wonderful most moral co-host,

Daniel Mote found this. I had never seen it before. It is a, this is a, um, a dove that has got the, uh, Star of David and a fucking M6. um olive branch and a flag helmet yes choking with its talons a small sort of hawkish bird i don't know is that a parrot is that iago from aladdin it looks like iago from aladdin i don't think he's meant to be choking him but that is the effect he's kind of just holding him and the and the little bird is like flailing around with a with a bloody knife and it looks very he's got a Palestinian flag on his on his chest on his chest And he's kind of just holding him and kind of like, whoa, there, little buddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, what are you doing? And also the dove has stab wounds in him. He has like a few, but it doesn't seem to phase him. And the text says, not always the strongest is the aggressor, nor the weakest who are, nor the weakest, the one who is right. Yoda-ass syntax. Yeah, I mean, Jesus. So it's admitting that Israel is much bigger and much strong. And that it's got the Palestinians in its grip.

Guess what this guy calls himself? I just Googled it. Cartooning for peace. This does feel very peaceful. I love the part where there's a dove in it. And the dove is Israel. Peace, yeah. Israel just wants peace, you know.

That's all Israel's ever wanted. We just want peace on 90% of your land, please. Yes, a piece of your land, so to speak. You did an interesting video on Palestinian collaborators, and one of the genres of Palestinian collaborators is the sort of Palestinians for Peace, John Aziz type. Yeah, exactly. What does peace mean?

They never answer that. Well, it means not war, bad empanada. It means that if you prefer war to peace, that's bad. Just give up everything that you want. Just give up everything, you know, just, and then let's ask the same question about Ukraine. No, no, no, no. It means an end to all the fighting and everything can just, everyone can just stop fighting and, what do you call it? Submit, that's what peace is.

It's honestly abhorrent that when Hitler invaded Poland and then everything else, they were so against peace that they fought back against him. I can't believe it. That was insane of them to do. I didn't know that the Polish were so warmongery. Like, listen, this is 1939. You guys are supposed to be peaceful. And someone shows up to just get their piece of homeland back. Because let's be real.

Whose land is that? Is it really Poland's? That was made up by leftists in the 1800s. Poland's not real. Yeah. You know? Joseph Stalin actually made that up. Yeah.

Exactly. Joseph Stalin and Arafat invented the idea of a Palestinian. in order to make debate impossible. That's right. That's what they did. I've literally heard that argument. But like this cartoon is just so it's like not always the strongest is the aggressor, nor the weakest the one who is right.

Just like this idea is just perfectly encapsulated, like distilled imperialism and like just when has the strongest not been the aggression? I'm actually, yeah, yeah, generally the one who is, you know, weak or doesn't attack because they know they'll lose. Right, exactly, exactly. And it's like, and just because they're small doesn't mean they're right is, is, I'm sorry, but like, are we at the point now where we're going to admit the, we're finally going to admit the power dynamic here? Like, this cartoon is perfect because it exists, you know, in that mindset of, uh, the, uh, the, uh, we're finally going to admit the power dynamic here. you know, in that mindset of the John Aziz type, someone who is probably just like,

I'm a peacnick. Like, that's their whole thing. Yeah, I hate the word piecenik so much. It's like, it's just giving like a special word for Israelis who like think that maybe the West Bank in Gaza is bad. And they use that word, like just weaponize it constantly. Yeah. Like, how can you criticize him?

He's a peacnik. Yeah. Yeah. What? I mean, and the, the amazing thing about it, you know, is that these like in Israel it's used as a slur against these people like it's only it's only a what do you call it like a virtue a compliment a compliment here in the west like you know it's like that's where oh me he's a peace nick you know he's he's a peaceful um occupier all that he wants all that he wants

is for the Palestinians to accept like you know all the the two state agreements where they would be turned into like a client state of Israel in a tiny little patch of land. Yeah. And then we would have peace. That's how peace happens. Yeah. But like this at the very least, like it admits the power dynamic. It goes like, yes, it's true. We are bigger. And yes, it's true that Palestinians are smaller. But just because this dynamic looks eerily similar to every colonial v. indigenous fight in the past doesn't make it the same. Yeah, I mean, you just have to ask the really simple question, which is almost universally true. It's like when the smaller and weaker side, none of us fights, it's because they have

to. Right. Who's making them have to? Yes. Yes, exactly. The idea that like they don't want peace, you know, it's like, you know, it completely washes over the idea that like peace would mean submission to something that is actively going to continue in ethnic cleansing and displacement of their own people. Yeah, I mean, as much as like they, I don't think it's, it would be a great solution. Let's say, like, you know, if there was a two-state solution, 50-50, even Stevens. Right, right, right. And, you know, like Israel, I don't know, like built some houses for the, for the descendants

of the people who were expelled from Israel proper and lets them come back. Palestinians would accept that in a second. They would love that, you know? But the Israelis wouldn't. Right. It's always been the fucking case. And, you know, just the idea that like, well, no, then how come they didn't accept like the Oslo? And it's like, because in those, they continue to lose more land.

Yeah, like, and not even just said, like, the Israelis straight up openly said, like, we want Palestine to be like a parastatal entity. It's not going to be able to have a military. We're going to have like a, you know, like, I don't know if you know about the history of Cuba, but in Cuba's constitution, the US wrote like an amendment to allow them to invade whenever they want. They wanted one of those in like the new Palestinian constitution. Jesus Christ. This was not going to be like a, it wasn't an agreement, obviously. And then they beat you over the head of it for like 50 years.

It hasn't been 50 years, but like two decades later saying, you didn't accept this. You're against peace, unlike me, the peace activist. Yeah, the peacenik. another thing I love about that that cartoon is it it's like it the presumption is the Israeli dove is holding the Palestinian little shipbird by the by the throat because it needs to right right because if it let go then there'd be more attacking but if you actually just think about it from the shipbirds perspective the little you know let get get your fucking talons off my throat. Yeah, you're literally choking me to death. You're choking me to death.

I need to hold, I need to choke you because you're so mad about me choking you that you might hurt me. Yes. So I can't let you go. I'm reading a book right now called The Myths of Liberal Zionism by an Israeli poet named Yitzhak La Orr. Very good take down of the Amos Oz and David Grossman. All these liberal Israelis. these peacnicks who were being published a lot in the 2000s in especially in european newspapers and in the new york times and they were really deployed to like really hammer home among western intelligentsia this myth this fiction that the palestinians turned down a historic compromise at camp david it was it was and because the the second intifada had already broken out

so they really needed to mobilize really quickly to um put the blame squarely on the little bird. Yeah. And that's been the story ever since. It's too bad. We thought we had a peace partner, but we didn't. Yeah. It's all lies. Yeah. They're still sending the Clintons on to talk on TV about that. It's insane. It's fucking insane. And we did an episode with Rashid Khalidi and he just eviscerated fucking Clinton's logic. It was just so beautiful to watch because it was just watching this total fucking scumbag rewrite his own history it's like it's one thing to like

be a Hizbaris who rewrites the history for your own personal like you know either your own your own personal gain because you're employed or because you need to sleep better at night believing in this you know totally disgusting you know apartheid state

but Bill Clinton is just rewriting the history that he knows he knows he's rewriting it because he lived it and he's just pretending it's a whole other thing. And I find that to be disgusting personally. I find just like rolling out strategic Bill Clinton at war crime in the first place. Like why are you bringing Bill Clinton on the TV in 2024 anyway? What the fuck is that? Why are we put that? That's the fucking craziest thing about the Democratic Party is that, uh, like this, why are they pretending

like people like the Clintons? It's this entire fucking like political party. Half of the fucking politics of this country are represented by this fucking guy that nobody likes nobody is like man remember Clinton he was cool like at least with Obama I get it

because like people still are like oh yeah but Obama's got a playlist every year that's pretty sick like nobody likes Bill Clinton who likes Hillary and even fewer like his wife by the way we should mention speaking of ex-presidents this is the week

that Jimmy Carter oh that's right I don't think we've mentioned that on the show yet. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some awkward hobnaving at his funeral yesterday. But, yeah, I mean, Carter did some horrible, horrible things as president all over the world. Oh, yeah. But we have to give him credit forever for.

Great where credit is due that. He used the word apartheid. He used the word apartheid. But on the title, he was out of office. Right, of course. But even that, name another U.S. president who's done something honest with their time after. I will say the bar is obviously lowered and it's low to a degree that, you know, I think is abhorrent. But the fact is that like we still to this day, at least in our government, cannot, you know, no one calls it what it is, which is an apartheid state.

Nobody in the government calls it that. And so, you know, the fact that he did this before, I mean, still, I mean, it is. still not fucking allowed. He did it a long time ago, too. He did it in what? Like 2008? Oh, nine. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think still ultimately you have to think about the apartheid framing is very easy for people like him to make as well because it's just a problem of civil rights. It's not a problem. Sure, sure. Sure. Sure. But I mean, I do feel like that is that even even that is something that I think the reason why apartheid, the framing of it as the apartheid is so feared by Israelis and and by, you know, Zionists in general is because it is a recognizable term.

It is a recognizable system that people are familiar with. They associate it with it being bad. They associate with being... And see apartheid with Mandela, who is a sainted figure, you know, in much of the West, at least I think. And they associate it with a reason why a state needs to go or fundamentally be transformed from within to be unrecognizable. Also, it was his center that

monitored the 2005 elections and called them free and fair, right? Which undermines the crucial talking point that somehow, you know, Hamas is the illegitimate. Right. You know, the U.S. and Israel tried to, you know, they instituted a coup to try to overthrow and to successfully overthrow Hamas and the West

Bank. he he didn't go as far as many would have liked but um further than he said he said some true things in pretty plain language way earlier than than he might have yeah sure i think like there's also another um were you know comparison they really hate which is a nazi comparison oh of course the same exact thing like this is the thing like westerners um don't understand things. They don't know what's going on. They don't look at facts. But when they hear words, you know, they have like understandings. Like apartheid is a bad word. The Nazis were bad. They're like, you know, the epitome of evil in Western society and Western imagination.

So it's all about like denying you the power of those, firing the neurons in people's heads by mentioning those terms. Right. And it's not really that they don't think. It's not, it's not really that they could argue that you can't make that comparison. You know, obviously you can compare Israel to the Nazis for a lot of reasons. Like both were like states for, or they wanted states for a specific ethnic racial group, both were settler colonial movements that were actively trying to take land from other people to give it to another group of people based on ethnicity. There's plenty of comparisons to be made that are obviously very valid. But like, they don't want to deal of it on those terms. They want to deny you the ability to even mention that

because of the power that it holds when you know your average um like ad iq american hears that yeah they're like the nazis that's pretty bad yeah they don't want you to be able to say that yeah of course and and i think that that is why i do find a commendable uh that even if it was a former american president pointing that out i i find that commendable because it is uh it is shouldn't have been an american president maybe that's the issue well that's the thing as soon as you'd be become the American president, you are immediately going to, you know, start being complicit, if not like, be at the forefront of doing some of the most horrible crimes. I mean, you know, you're at the head of the empire. There's no way your hands aren't bloody. And that's not to,

you know, I'm not trying to wipe his hands clean from any of that. But it is one of the early books that I read in which I was shocked to find an American president actually calling an apartheid state in fact at the time that I read that book I was skeptical of I was like well don't use that word

there are other words like I think yeah 2008 2009 I was still like I was still liberal Zionist at that point so like for for me it was it was an important thing to see that being used because I knew my stance on apartheid and it wasn't that some apartheid is okay if you're Jewish. Well, I do think as like, you know, I mean,

Palestinians are expected to like take the the scrappiest scraps of any other people in the entire world and I think that's hugely problematic, you know, itself that we're even like talking about it. And like, you know, at least he was, he used the term as an American president. 2008, you know, Palestinians had probably been saying it for decades beforehand. Or, you know, it's like, you know, whenever I criticize someone who is pro-Palestinian, at least nominally pro-Palestinian, like people think they are. I always get that same exact thing. Like, hey, man, come on. He's pro-Palestinian. You're just doing. purity testing, blah, blah, blah, but if, you know, we don't talk about the problems with

their beliefs, their overall frameworks, you know, like, how did Jimmy Carter come to the apartheid conclusion in the first place? Why didn't he do this, anything like that when he was president? It's just, like, the Palestinians have to take scraps. Yeah. They have to take, like, ultimately, they are forced into accepting things that we shouldn't be giving order to in the end. Even the apartheid framing, the apartheid framing is a framing of civil rights. It's the idea that all you have to do is change laws and everything is fixed. And we already have South Africa as the example of that not working because they change

the law, black people are equal on paper, why people still own all the land, all the capital. Right, yeah. Yeah, no, I mean completely. I do think that obviously, you know, it is problematic the fact that like Palestinians do have to accept scraps. I think my own personal feeling around it is like a broader outlook when it comes to what is, you know, necessary in order to end Israeli genocide, Israeli occupation, Israeli apartheid and Israel is to, for, you know, America, which is its reason for being. without which it would not continue for Americans in general to understand in words

that they can understand what Israel actually is versus what the propaganda says it is. And that's why we need to burn America. No shit. I think Westerners have the most power. I think Westerners have even more power than Palestinians themselves to fight against Israel, but they don't do it. And I think it's a question that needs to be asked why. Yes.

Because in many cases, even well-meaning, people who do not like what is going down there at all genuinely hate it they hate Israel they if if I told them my proposal solutions to the to you know Israel Palestine they would agree of all of them ultimately they're not really willing to do anything about it aside from right maybe maybe like a cordoned off protest pre-organized with police and it's important to ask the question of why that is yeah I mean I think part of it is also a level of like not knowing what to do I mean like for for example you know I have this question all the time as to like, what are we doing when I go to in protest?

Well, right. Luigi Mangione was the first example that I've seen in a long time of people, of seeing that there was a broader, like, I don't know, like almost not a sigh of relief, but it was like, you saw when that happened the way and people said like, oh, man, you know, there is at least one thing you can do. Okay. Okay, but no, but hold on. Yes. Getting everyone, the visceral hatred of health insurance CEOs is one thing. Name me one, well, I'm not going to put you in the position. Name me one Israeli official we should kill. But try to, but just as a thought experiment, let me help you here. The thing is, I've used that as an example. What the predictable backlash

would be. Well, I've used this specifically. an example, because I don't think that the support would be anything like what it is for Mangione, if someone did something like that against a visiting Israeli official or something. Right. And ultimately, I think it's because at the end of the day, at the end of the day, Americans have the most power to fight Israel, but why would they? Because what material incentive do they have to do that? Yes. And that's a sad reality of it. Yes, yes. And I think that right there does, you know, that right there, is where a lot of people do land, you know, on this issue, which is like, there's only

downside, there's no material gain for me, so why even do it? And, and, you know, that is the sad reality. Yet at the same time, I am, it's the reason why when I see, you know, these protests, as, you know, as kind of kitsy as some of them can be. You know, I've participated in ones that I'm like, you're not going to get us all to sing this song. We don't know this song. How about do a song we know? It is, you know, as you say, it can be considered scraps, but I also consider it like more and more changing the narrative around, I think, regular people's, like, vision or version of this narrative when it comes to Israel. And I Well, changing the narrative is fine, you know, it's obviously, but that's something that you do over a very long period of time.

Of course. What's happening right now has made that, it made things far more urgent, you know? Right, of course. It's like previously before the Gaza genocide specifically began, what I would always argue is, you know, we need to slowly but surely change perceptions, put pressure on, as happened with South Africa, just with a better solution in the end. Right. but obviously it's a lot harder to do that and now there's like this literally urgent event going on

and it's like we ask the question of what can we do specifically to fight this in fact the matter is even if I was able to say on YouTube what that is the reality is very few people would be willing to do it I probably wouldn't even know to do it if I was an American

Is there any serious conversation about withholding taxes as long as Israel's funding Israel? I mean, sorry, as long as the U.S. is funding Israel? Is there any movement? I mean, not that I've heard of it. Anyone who I've heard talking about a tax strike, um, it seems to, the U.S. state isn't funded by taxes anyway. It's funded by printing money. The U.S. has the global currency, so it doesn't really matter anyway. The taxes are just burning the money once it gets there to get it out of circulation. No, but I mean, you know, like whether or not people are

are paying taxes, I don't know whether or not it would have an effect, but I do know that like this idea of a mass movement to do something, something material is, is, you know, becomes harder and harder to envision because of the way in which, you know, people don't have this like generalized target. Like they, they know all of Israel and that's it. And honestly, you know, as much as we've seen more and more voices of people who are against the genocide of Palestinian people, I still believe it's far from a critical mass. And so it's interesting, it'll be interesting to see if anything changes within the next 12 months, but it just, I mean, you know, if I'm being pessimistic, I don't see that happening.

But if I'm being optimistic, maybe. you know, I don't know, something good, right? Yeah, I mean, if you ask me what to do about what is happening right now, I couldn't tell you. I mean, I could tell you certain things that you could do, but would they result in anything really changing? Honestly, probably not, as just as they would be. We're also in this limbo without, you know, just before the inauguration and not knowing. Oh, of Trump. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Trump's a fucking moron. If, yeah. Yeah.

Of course he is. Someone sit him down with like Bargudi or something, have a conversation and instruct Bargudi beforehand to like tell him how good of a businessman he is and how smart he is. And next day he might just be pro-Palestine. You never know. We need to get a full West Bank flash mob in praise of Trump. Oh, yeah, let's try it. Like, yeah, he's a genocidal maniac, but he's a very stupid genocidal maniac who is prone to

doing things that you can never imagine from any other. US president, like visiting North Korea, for example. Right, right, right, right. People critiqued him on that, like Democrats critiqued him on that because you should never legitimize North Korea while Trump is like, I'm a negotiator, I'm a millionaire, I'm a great businessman, let's negotiate with the enemy. Let's check what they have to say. You know, at least is that. You know he left there going just like, I'm not even sure why we're enemies. I don't really understand this whole being. I mean, he literally said he fell in love with him. That's kind of what he said about Obama after the Carter funeral. He's like, I think we got along with.

it looked like we got along I watched the video of us I watched I watched I watched that I watched the same video you did it it looks like we get along maybe we do get along maybe we do like each other maybe we're friends maybe I like the guy are we best friends are we in love yeah he's a he's a fucking moron who's uh who's you know the the only optimistic thing you can say about him is like is he stupid enough to actually do something cool if uh if you trick him and I think you know his first term answered that question for the most part which is like no for the most party is just going to do a bunch of terrible shit and be terrible. But, you know, I like to have a, I like to have a little bit of optimism, you know, still deep within me. And I, I, I, uh, I don't have

much optimism when it comes to him, but I do have optimism when it comes to, um, the fact that we have not seen so many people, um, even though it's not a critical mass, but so many people who are waking up to what Israel is, and that's something. Yeah, that's something that is important, though. You have to wake up to what Israel is rather than just what Israel does. Yes, exactly. It gets the bottom of it, and a lot of the liberal Zionists framing will prevent you from doing that, so it's very important to think about it.

You know, the Jewish exceptionalism videos that I've been making that you talked about are a very good example of that. One thing is you need to understand this whole ideology in the system backing what happens there why it happens and how to then you know how to fight it and then also the more people who like think about it in these terms the more people who say you know what you want to call me anti-Semitic fuck off man it's a fucking joke

rather than being like no I'm not anti-Semitic here's all the times I said good things about Jews the more and more people do that like the more and more people do that like there's a better chance you have of reaching a critical mass but that she has no power anymore where you know you sort of force them into moving more towards your position

regardless of how much power they have relative to you because the more people who think something the more pressure able to put on them and I just think that like a lot of the people bless their hearts as nice as they are who are like I'm you know this is genocide like Medi Hassan for example is a great example

he's a great debater he's like a brilliant to throw at like Zionists and just have them lose their fucking minds about him because you know he he has a great memory he can remember like a million different things that Israel has done and throw them out of and they don't know how to respond. Right. But ultimately, like, he still supports the existence of Israel.

He would never say he doesn't. He's still going to say, I love this hostage pin. Look at it. I'm happy to put it on my suit. Yeah, I'll wear it, yes. But I'm not going to tell you what it represents. I'm not going to tell you why it exists in the first place. Yes.

And ultimately, as useful as I think he has been, we have to think about what if we all thought like him, what would be the end result here? The end result would be a Palestinian Bantustan. That's the fact of it. And he needs to move beyond that. And like, I don't hate Medellan. I don't think he's a bad person, you know.

But I think he definitely is incentivized to not realize things that he probably should have realized by now, you know. If we need him, then we certainly need you too. So thank you for doing what you do. for making sure that not everyone is, you know, buying into the hegemonic frameworks of the system that needs to be dismantled. And thank you for coming on our little podcast. Thanks. No problem, though.

I doubt my effectiveness really at all. Well, I mean, if it reached you guys, maybe it is at least reaching some more people and they're saying, hey, you know, I've noticed, I think the Jewish exceptionalism thing, everyone notices it but they don't really know how to describe it or they're scared to right or if they once you describe it to them they're like oh man i know what that is i feel this whenever i open my mouth to talk yeah and and i do think the the way in which you frame it uh is also good because there are tons of people who when they don't know how to describe it they can easily fall into uh some of the like more bat shit fucking actual anti-semitic conspiracy

theories about fucking everything and like those you know those those people are uh I don't think start out as anti-Semites I think they become them because they are vulnerable and then the only people who are talking about it are fucking psychopaths those people are Jewish exceptionalists of a different kind they take exception to right yeah yes and it's also like they think that Jews have magical powers like yeah because you know obviously a kind like a one like 20 million Jews in the world maybe 15 20 million they would need to have magical powers to be able to control the shit they're said to control so it's like it's just like the opposite thing like innately oppressed versus innately like powerful yes exactly and that and you point that out as well

in the video beautifully and and yeah it's it's great and I do think it does a service um you know because also if if I didn't think that then I don't know if I would do this podcast either thing. At the very least, it, uh, it was, uh, very entertaining watching you take down Ethan Klein. At the very least, um, you could always say to someone, I'm Jewish and you automatically, according to their beliefs. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. At the very least, I can do that and it'll be fun. Uh, bad impanata. Thank you so much for coming on, uh, the podcast. Uh, the channel is called bad impanata. There will be, uh, a link in the description of this episode please check out some of these videos they're they're really fantastic thanks again for coming

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