Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 80: Genocide Bad, with Sim Kern

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Matt and Daniel are joined by anti-zionist Jewish influencer and author Sim Kern to discuss the online hasbara sock puppet brigades, whether feeding prisoners of war is a trick, and to ask whether you can still call a perplexing assemblage of words a joke if it’s not funny in any language.Please donate to Medical Aid for Palestinians: https://www.map.org.uk/ Pre-order Sim’s upcoming book GENOCIDE BAD: https://www.interlinkbooks.com/product/genocide-bad/ Find all Sim’s links at https://www.simkern.com/ Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbara Subscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55 Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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We all need therapy. But yes, thank you so much to. our wonderful producer, Adam Levin, who needs and refuses therapy because, you know, some people just got to keep it real. He's a mental health refuse Nick. Yeah, exactly. I would love to go back to therapy. It's been too long, you know, I can't like call up my old therapist. I feel like, this is why I don't succeed at therapy, Daniel. I go for a few months and then eventually I get embarrassed that I just have the same problems over and over and then I want the therapist to feel good so I say that you uh I tell the therapist oh you cured me and then I leave and then I

try to find another therapist but and then you feel embarrassed about it yeah well then you need to find another therapist to help you deal with the shame mm-hmm that that was triggered by the first therapist yeah exactly Matt goes for both kinds of CBT I don't know what that means what is CBCT. I know cognitive behavioral therapy is one of the meanings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there must be some other, some other secret acronym there that Adam... Cock and ball torture. I should have. I should have known. The structure of the joke suggested. Yeah, well, we knew there was something there. We just didn't know that it was going to be cock and ball torture. Speaking of which, I was just realizing that, like, at this point, I can't look at the British broadcasting company logo without thinking about the other.

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a couple of things today this you know Timothy shallame was on SNL doing his Bob Dylan homage I guess it wasn't an impression he just did a couple of Bob Dylan covers and they were wait was he the musical guest

He was the host and the musical guest. I'm sure the film company made that, you know. God, yeah, they were pro. That's a give me shul, give me fire, give that which I desire. That's a beautiful. Give me shoe, give me fire, give me that what time. That sounds like an incitement to arson at synagogues. It does, but it's, that's not what Adam meant.

That's right. Although he does need therapy. So he was, so Timothy Shalamey, So, yeah, he came on to promote his Bob Dylan movie, which I still haven't seen. And he did a couple of relatively obscure Bob Dylan songs, Outlaw Blues, and I think Three Angels. But I remembered this song the other night. I'm like, no, this is the only Bob Dylan song that should be done right now. It's from the album, Oh, Mercy, produced by Daniel L'I, in 1989.

And the song is, everything is broken. And it's just, I was listening to it. And it just, to me, it's like the song, the song, just describes the world right now. Everything is broken. Great. That is true. And then the other one,

can we pull up that Elie Wiesel tweet that I sent you this morning because it relates to this next one? So, arson, speaking of arson, incitement to arson. Speaking of giving me shul,

give me fire. Yeah. We have arson Ostrovsky. His name is named after burning things down. You know, by the way, he's everyone's favorite a pro-Israel human rights lawyer yes this is one of the first of many accounts I saw that

were pro-Israel like Zionist human rights lawyers where you were just like oh I guess they meant defense attorney because yeah I you know when someone says human rights lawyer you think prosecuting human rights violators not defending them but hey Matt look to your I guess it's to your right or is it to your leg I want to us to be looking at, let's look at Elie Wiesel. Oh, I'm looking at him. Are we looking at him? Oh, yeah. I'm looking at him. We're with. Oh, no, you got to look the other way. You got to look the other way. Yeah. No, no, I don't. Not on my screen. Anyway, it doesn't matter. The point is, I thought it would be a nice

trick. The point is Arsendossovsky, uh, uh, uh, for Holocaust Rembrandt's day, which for some reason, uh, is, it coincides with the commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz. And I was reading in, what's his name, Yitzhakla Orr's book, The Myths of Liberal Zionism, about how that was deliberate that Germany decided, okay, we're not going to commemorate anything that actually happened on our soil. We'll commemorate the liberation of a Polish concentration camp. Right, right, right, right. You know, anyway, that became Holocaust Remembrance Day and everyone's posting solemn memes,

and here he's posting a quote from Elie Wiesel. who was a rabid Zionist, who said, it was not man's inhumanity to man. It was man's inhumanity to Jews, Elie Wiesel on the Holocaust. And this is like such a perfect Zionist-coded Holocaust remembrance quote.

Sure. Because it's got this passive aggressive, like you're not commemorating it enough. You're not remembering that it was Jews enough. But it ends up sounding like something that out of Eichmann, lawyer would say as an exculpatory technicality. Point of order, Your Honor.

Actually, it was not a crime against humanity. It was a crime against humanity. We have specifically classified as sort of a different species type thing. We would never do that to humans. We covered that in the Nuremberg laws. So anyway, ever since I saw that tweet, all morning I've had Devo, are we not men, we are Devo in my head are we not meant we are Hebrew um he was also said it was not man's inhumanity to man it was man's inhumanity to Devo that that's right yes so that's a long convoluted uh answer to

your question what's been spinning in my head that's what's been spinning around the old noggin uh all right it is time to bring in our guest who uh this has been a a long time-coming collaboration between us and this next guest. You may know them. They are an anti-Zionist Jewish influencer with millions of views on social media and an author of both science fiction and a new non-fiction book. Fourthcoming, Yeah, forthcoming Genocide Bad, which comes out in March, ladies and gentlemen, everyone else.

It is our pleasure to welcome Sim Kerr. to the podcast. Thanks for having me. Like I said before, the show started. I'm like a huge fan. I listen every single week. So that is,

that is such a welcome surprise. Because I've obviously, you know, I've been watching your content, you know, since October 7th, you know, since not too long after that

started seeing your videos pop up on my feet. We are both citizens in good stands. of Sim City. That's right. Yes. We enjoy Sim City. We hate when the kitchen goes on fire.

Other references to that game that I don't really play, but I know of. Sim. What is it about this podcast that's just so good? You know. Really hitting them with the tough, tough questions right off the bat. Starting early with our guests. A lot of people. It's that hard-hitting journalism.

A lot of people tell you, and I think tell me also, that their content, like, helps them feel sane, you know? And especially, like, I think other anti-Zionist Jews, like, we're so isolated from many people formerly in our communities. Yes. And so, like, the combination of, like, the Jewish humor that I grew up around and, but also, like, a rational worldview grounded in an understanding that all people are deserving of human rights. And, you know, the genocide bad, as the title of my book. Yeah. Just sometimes like hearing that on the car ride is a reminder that, like, everyone in the world hasn't been completely co-opted by Zionism.

That's a lot of that is exactly why I enjoy your content as well. Plus the added bonus of being well researched and educational, which we totally would do if you weren't doing it already. If I wasn't already doing it. Oh, right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you weren't doing it. Yeah, see, you already have the literacy thing down. You have the, you know, you've got the market cornered on knowing what you're talking about.

I would much rather read books than have to, like, comb through Israeli TikToks the way y'all do. And Israeli Hasbara, like going right to the source. No, I realized we made a huge, huge career mistake in terms of what we decided to talk about on this podcast. We could have, I would have, I enjoy reading books. I like book. Speaking of book, I read an advanced copy of your book, Sam. And I wanted to discuss some of it because, you know, it's great. and it gave me a bunch of new, like, rhetorical tools that I didn't previously have.

One of which that I want to talk about at the beginning here was I was introduced to the concept of deference politics from your book. And this is, could you describe or explain what deference politics is? Yeah. So I got this term from Olufemi Othaiwo, wrote this book, Elite Capture, How the Powerful took over identity politics and everything else. I believe Taiwo coined the term deference politics. But in Genocide Bad, I talk a lot about all the different ways that Israel. How long is it going to be until the elites capture the term deference politics? I know. Oh, it's already, I'm sure it's already happened. But basically, So deference politics is how identity politics are weaponized against the left. Yes. And so Israel and Hasbaris in the West and in Israel do this in multiple different ways. So the most basic sort of way is saying, oh, and what is deference politics, right? And maybe you can back up even one step.

What was identity politics before it was captured in weapon? Yeah. So identity politics. Identity politics, because it's been bastardized and, I mean, it was used to kill the Bernie Sanders movement in many ways. At least it's captured version, right? People can be forgiven for thinking that it itself is just an epithet to describe meaningless, identitarian signaling. But how did it start? Who started it?

What did they mean? And what is this transformation and capture that you described? Sure. Sure. So identity politics was a term coined in the 70s by a group of black queer feminists who felt like their identities weren't being respected within either like the black civil rights movement or the feminist movement. And they were having to like sever off parts of their identity when they were engaging in politics on either of those fronts. So it was basically them saying and this this predates the coining of the term intersectionality. But basically it was the idea that we now refer to as intersectionality. of like they can show up to organizing as a collective of black queer feminist women. They don't have to compromise. They don't have to choose. They can be all those things at once.

And their idea was for coalitional organizing so that identity groups like black queer feminists could get together with, you know, black men with groups of, you know, Latina feminists, whatever, and build a coalition where they're all working together towards collective. of liberation, but within identity groups. And I think you see that vision reflected in the Free Palestine movement right now, right? Sure, of course. When you have anti-Zionist Jews and Palestinians, you know, coming together to do actions together, but within their identity groups, that was sort of the vision of the Kambahee River

Collective, which was the group that started this. So in a sense, it's differentiation with an eye towards solidarity. It's insisting, yeah, it's insisting upon the particular perspectives and standpoints of a certain group and the material interests that only that group is going to be able to relate to from a quote unquote lived experience place. But without any notion of that being the stopping point or the end point or the point is, let's make sure our perspective is we understand our perspective and we can speak for it within the broader struggle, which is the only way any meaningful change is ever going to happen.

Right. Also, these identities, you know, the idea of like identity politics starting, you know, or at least the way in which people frame identity politics is like, oh, people only care about what you are, you know, what race or gender, what, as if like, you know, the people who invented this idea of identity politics, this term that you're talking about, we're already dealing in spaces in which there was kind of just flattened broad identity markers that erased people who didn't fit neatly into them. You know, for example, like you said, the feminist movement

or black liberation movement, you know, black queer women were like, you know, it is kind of not one size fits all. And so, you know, the idea of like as soon as they talked, invented identity politics that's when everything fell apart soon as people started like being you know being like hey i'm here it's like shut up you know there used to be a time when a white mate and i'm sorry but you know what i mean that's what uh yeah it seems like it seems like the the focus on identity politics as a bad thing um has kind of taken over the conversation um about the importance of solidarity yeah and

that's why I think now when people speak negatively of identity politics, what they're referring to is deference politics, which is weaponization of it. So identity politics was never meant to be used to silence people's concerns. It wasn't used, it wasn't meant to be used as a way of fracturing solidarity on the left, but that's exactly how deference politics works. So, like, Tywo's definition of deference politics is this is when identity is used to silence, to fracture. And it's basically a politics that asks you to defer to the most marginalized person in the room that you are in. Right. Right.

So it sounds like this happens so often and it's so, it's so nice to actually have a term to encompass this that doesn't throw the idea of identity politics or intersectionality under the bus because those those are important. Yeah, it's just great. Right. And I see Hasbara's using it on many different levels. So like the top level that's sort of the most obvious is just like listen to Jews, center Jews, the Holocaust. Jews are always the most marginalized. You must listen to Jews. With the deference politics also, there's always the question, which Jews? Right. Exactly. The reason this is a tool that elites can use is because elites can control who has access to. whatever the room is. If you're being asked to defer the most marginalized person in the room, they can control who's the most marginalized person in that room

and make sure that's someone who's going to align with their interests. A hundred percent. And putting aside the fact that you'd have to do a pretty heavy sales job on me to get me to buy the idea that in your average room where there are multiple people of multiple identities, in this day and age, it's the Jew or the Israeli who comes anywhere close to being the. most marginalized. Even if it was true that we should defer to the most marginalized, which I think you're right runs into immediately, even if you're talking about listen to women, listen to

Palestinians, listen to trans people, which one? Well, right. It's not a monolith. You know, you do not, you're not born into an identity and given a card of like, here's all the things you must think and believe. Right. And also, there is no one person who represents that identity. And it's, you know, using someone's identity specifically as a cudgel against those who don't share that identity, you know, against speaking out about what they are saying that identity is or isn't doing, is suffering, isn't suffering. You see this all the time where they're like, oh, you say that Israelis, you know, oppressed Palestinians? Well, here's an interview with an Israeli Arab about how great it is to be here in Israel. They can trot out whoever they want who's going to speak on their behalf, or like, Son of Hamas.

Yeah, Son of Hamas. And we can try to, I mean, but, no, but, okay, but let's, let's try to be fair. On the flip side, we could trot out breaking the silence, right? If they, if they say, uh, the Israeli army is engaged in, uh, most moral activities and is, uh, is, is conducting itself. We could trot out someone from the breaking from Shovrim Shikha, who says, no, we're not. But we're not saying defer to this person. No. We're not saying, we're not holding them by and this automatically,

but we're just trying to, we're trying to knock a peg out of the unanimity that their side, that their position rests on. It's not, the identity of someone isn't irrelevant, but it's also not dispositive. In and of itself, it doesn't prove anything. You have to use critical thinking. Like, you're going to have to use your brain. What a concept. Not just defer to, like, someone because of who they were born as when you actually break it down.

That's a pretty kind of tokenizing racist idea that, like, because you were born to a certain subgroup, your opinions are correct. And also it does, you know, in, you know, I think it also encourages, at least in, like, leftist spaces or in spaces that, you know, try to do social justice. It kind of encourages bad behavior and manipulative behavior amongst people, where you can weaponize your identity or the identity of others for the sake of vying for power. Just a real quick story, I did a show recently at a college. I won't say which one. and it was during it was there was like an encampment going on Prager You. It was at Prager You and it was just me and one other comedian who were booked on it.

We're going to do comedy at the encampment. It's a very small, small college, small encampment. And about 10 minutes into the other comedian set who went first, all of a sudden, the organizer of the event went up to her on stage and said, can you come here real quick? And then they literally went behind like a wall and the whole audience was just like, what's happening?

They canceled the show right then and there. And there was just this moment where I was asking the person who invited me. It was an anti-Zionist Jewish person. I said, what's going on? They're like, well, I think we're worried that it's offensive. And the judge, jokes themselves were very much.

I wouldn't consider them offensive, but I can see how they would be. And the person who kicked her off was a Palestinian student. And there was just kind of this moment where I was like, did you guys all discuss this? And she said, no, well, she's the only Palestinian student on campus. kind of is the leader of this group, and we just kind of, we just kind of do whatever she says. And I was like, okay, that, that, I mean, listen, we should of course be listening to Palestinian voices. But I think that what we end up doing when we take this like complete deferential, like, stance towards, you know, organizing or anything is we end up kind of turning what should be a good

thing into a tokenizing thing. It becomes like how can we, how can we do this without getting in trouble as opposed to like kind of looking at it more broadly, like this is a sea of students or as soon as a lake of a puddle. There was a few students of students who I think are, you know, they're camping out and depressed and maybe it might not be good for morale if you kick off the comedian 10 minutes into the set. You know what I mean?

Yeah, so with deference politics, right, the top layer that I think at this point, if you're in the movement, the defer to Jews thing isn't working. So then they get a little more sophisticated. And then they try it out what I call marginalized human shields, which is like they say,

look at how gay our army is. Look at how, look at all. all are women flying bombs, genociding children. And the story there is that, like, there's this, it relies upon your belief in, like, a racist, monolithic Arab horde that's, like, synonymous with the Taliban, and you believe that that's what Palestinians are, which is ridiculous, if you know, anything about Palestinian culture. And that, you know, the only thing protecting Israelis from the type of extermination that

they're meeting out upon Palestinians is the IDF, you know, the IOF. Oh, that was like Shal Bainifraim's Holocaust Remembrous tweet where he's like, Israel is the only thing stopping another Holocaust, another genocide. Right. And as they're doing it. And Kamala Harris's whole presidency was about that too, right? Like there was, there are still many. She was never president.

I mean, candidacy, presidential candidacy was about. you know, defer to this black and South Asian woman and if you don't vote for her, you're racist. Black and or South Asian. Right, yeah. Yeah. It could be both, could be neither. Yeah, no, I, exactly. It was immediately she would say, you know, I'm speaking, you know.

That's a difference, right? Defer to me, I'm speaking. Exactly. And like the outrage of liberals that some people would continue to criticize and question in the face of that. But I think that given the number of third party voters, especially, you know, within the Arab community, like a lot of people aren't falling for that anymore. But what you were talking about, Matt, in your story is like the most sort of sophisticated type of Hasbarra, which is the way like deference politics is used within our own community to shut down constructive projects. So, Tywo talks about the difference between, like, deference politics focuses on, like, semantics and symbols, you know, focusing all our energy on, like, not offending anyone, not, you know, using the correct wording and moral purity, right? Like, they were concerned about the moral purity of having this, you know, comedy event during, I don't know, you know, we should be taking genocide more seriously or something, right, right, right. Whereas a constructive project is something that's, like, building.

building community or building power, right? And so sometimes, I don't think a lot of people realize, now, I don't, I'm not saying the Palestinian who objected to your comedy show was in any way, like, motivated by destructive tendencies. Right, right. But we have learned to do this to each other from literally, like, paid infiltrators. Yeah. I there, and I, and I don't think that the left has, and like many, many people on the internet, even like other influencers that are, that have as big of a reach as I have, I think so much we are not really reckoning with and living with the reality of the fact that Israel pays thousands of people.

Yeah. To be digital infiltrators of our movement. Like, thousands of people whose full-time job is operating sock puppet accounts on the internet where they are like putting up a palisades. Palestinian flag, giving themselves, you know, a name that sounds Palestinian. You'll see their content. If you go look on Instagram, it's like a couple random lifestyle pictures that don't really have anything to do each other. Right.

And then these people are spending all day commenting on post pretending to be Palestinian and like sewing discord and chaos. And I know they exist, I know they exist first of all because there's like reports on this. Israel admits to doing this. Like, this is widely known, and it's not just Israel, of course, right? Russia has sock puppets. I'm sure the CIA has suck puppets. Oh, yeah.

We know that, like, conservative packs have sock puppets. Everyone has sock puppets. Everyone's using sock puppets. It's a question of how much time you have and what your politics are as to what you're doing with them. But, yeah, governments absolutely use sock puppets. And I've literally- You guys have no idea how much I'm tempted to take off a sock right now and just... And I've literally been, like, arguing with people.

you know, claiming their Palestinian or Syrian. Yes. Get into them a little bit with it in the comments and sometimes they'll tell on themselves by calling me a self-hating Jew or a Kapo.

And no Palestinian would ever reach for that. It's like, oh, hello, Shlomo. I see you there. Okay, but so, so, okay, so the possibility that we're dealing with sock puppets and cutouts and all that, that's the easy, that's the easy

way of relegating this to the bin of the ridiculous and we don't have to take it seriously. But you and I, Sim, we both know from experience, we've dealt with situations that bring up more complex questions than this, right? So when I met you, and you write about this in the book, actually,

we were organizing an event, well, you were organizing it, I should say, and I was, you know, for some reason, invited to be part of it. This is all very new to me. I love your content. Well, but it was just very new to me that I was creating content. about this topic and that anyone gave a shit.

But suddenly I was being invited to do things. And it was a Hanukkah event for Palestine, right? So eight anti-Zionist Jews. And it's right around the time that I met Matt, too. And there were some objections both to the idea of the event itself, like the notion of the event, and then to some of the people, I kind of a rotating list of objections

to different members of our panel for this and that, you know, they're suspected of being Israeli sympathizers or agents or one person's an Israeli citizen or so on and so forth, right? And we were dealing with, I think, and you as the organizer were dealing with what seemed to me to be a pretty confusing barrage of, like a mix, a mishmash of bad faith smearing,

and just kind of trying to take down what was certainly intended as a constructive event, a space for anti-Zionist Jews to speak to each other on a holiday that's ostensibly about liberation in the middle of a genocide and to try to mark the occasion and meet it in a way that was appropriate and morally serious, but also connect us, you know, not cut our Judaism off at the past and to assert our right to be Jews on a Jewish holiday in defiance of this fucking so-called Jewish state doing what it's doing. And at the same time, so there was some of that.

There might have been some constructive criticism in there. There might have been some non-constructive criticism in there. And I thought that the best kind of response we had available and we ended up kind of going with it was, I'm just curious what you think about this in retrospect, given that you've written about it, was, yeah, okay, listen to Palestinians. Which ones? We have thousands of Palestinians telling us, please do this. Each of our panelists has thousands and thousands of Palestinian followers who appreciate their particular medicine that they're bringing. Are any of us perfect?

No. Are any of us, are we the Palestinian liberation movement? Hell no. Do we need to know when to park our voices at the side and make space for others? Yes, that's good solidarity politics. But the notion that because some website, one of which was, I think, suspected of being a cutout, right, the one that was doing a lot of the smearing is raising hell about one or two of our panelists, that we should say, oh, guys, sorry, the Palestinian people don't want us to do this. But it was tricky. It was uncomfortable. And you were in the most uncomfortable position. of all. Can you speak about that? Yeah, well, and that was before I read this book, and that's why I found this book so enlightening, because it gave me so much, and that's the elite capture book,

which I'm plugging more than my own book. It, yeah, it was confusing, and Hadar Cohen actually was the one who had been doing this kind of thing longer than any of us. Yeah. And her response to it was just like, this is what happens. Like, if you are Jewish and being vocal as an anti-Zionist Jew, you are going to get backlash. You are going to get these people saying Jews shouldn't have a voice. Jews shouldn't be centered in the movement. And I don't think that like...

Centering is another one of these words. One of these words. What does that actually mean? What does that mean? People follow me because they find my content enlightening. I'm not at the center of Instagram. Wherever that is, I'm very far from it.

And, you know, our little YouTube event was very far from the center event. anything. Right. That said, that said, you can understand how a Palestinian, I can have empathy for a Palestinian being like, wow, Jews are talking. So they must know what they're talking about. Like the deference that goes to us, anti-Zionist Jews, the amount of, I can imagine someone resenting. Oh, for sure. Like Majla Said said to me, like what, I, you know, I've been talking about this for fucking my entire life. This is my entire life. Now a bunch of Jews have come around and join the bandwagon

and we're supposed to applaud and cheer. No, I understand that sentiment. Yeah. Right, right. In a broad sense, that's like that is the most legitimate thing to say. In fact, it's something that I think we say a lot on the show,

which is just like that it is almost embarrassing that we get attention at all because it just reinforces this thing of like deference politics in a way because people want to be safe in their critique of Israel and the media they consume about it because they're like, well, if I'm listening to Jews talk about it, it feels safer than listening to Palestinians, which is kind of the way in which Hezbarus have set it up. They've set it up for you to defer to Jews, an American Jew, over a literal Palestinian.

who, like, lives in Palestine. And that's why, like, I am getting called a grifter for having written this book. And I never would have written it. If I wasn't asked, I was asked to write this book by a Palestinian editor for a Palestinian-owned press. Interling Press is the only Palestinian-owned publisher in the U.S. And one of the first things I say in the foreword is, like, it makes me very uncomfortable to be writing this book. But the reality is, like, this editor thought my voice was useful in the movement and would be useful as a book. Um, you know, and so that, that's the voice I'm going to listen to over some random sock puppet account where I don't even know who you are.

I don't know what your face looks like, but you're telling me like, oh, this is a grifter for writing this book. right yeah yeah um so yeah i mean you just it boils down to you have to think critically you have to think like something that's helpful for me is like look at the impact of people's actions rather than trying to figure out whether someone's a sock puppet or just a young person who's been you know raised with this deference politics culture um it doesn't really matter if you learn to spot like impact over identity so when it comes to like political engagement just When someone brings up an idea, it's like, what is the impact of this idea? Is it building community?

Is it building power? Is it constructive? Is it dealing with like meaningful life and death issues? Or is it destructive? Is it fracturing solidarity? Is it, you know, is it focusing all our attention on something that's kind of symbolic and meaningless? Right. You know, that sort of.

Also, what are the majority of the haters saying? See, this is what I put every. I'm a simple. I'm a simple man. I put everyone in the category of cool or hater. And there are obviously subgroups of hater. And so what I look at when it comes to this kind of critique is I go like, all right, well, the majority of haters actually hate this because they love Israel and they think that this is bad for Israel. A small, you know, couple of comments here or there or even a small conservative. effort of maybe 10 commenters hate it for being bad for, quote, like the movement. And then there's the rest of the people who are consuming it. And so I go like, all right, if only 10% of the haters are pro-Palestine and 90% of the haters are pro-Israel, I could safely say that this is fine. You know what I mean?

Like, you want your, you want the majority of your haters to be something that you are politically, you know, opposed to. That's kind of how I feel about it in general. That's like, hey, listen, you're serving Zionist interests here. So I don't really think I'm being more harmful than what you're currently, you know, doing. There are, of course, fair critiques. But I do think that, and I think you should always be, you know, open to. to those critiques. Right, because fair, and fair critiques would point to impact like Sim is talking about.

Like, I would be very interested to read an article, let's just say theoretically, if Vanity Fair wanted to, you know, they just did a big article about Chopo Trap House. Well, if they wanted to, you know, give us shine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Vanity Fair, if you're out there, we also have a podcast. Yeah, no, I mean, that article wasn't a critique. It was just sort of a, what are they, what have they been up to and what's the post-Bernie left up to. But what I'm saying is if some, if a movement publication, if anyone wanted to write about,

here's what Bad Hasbara thinks they're doing. Right, right, right, right. And here's some impacts I see that they're having, that they don't realize they're having. And this is why they're negative. This is the impression they're creating. This is the ratio of Jewish to Palestinian guests. I'm giving you guys some advice, some things to actually criticize us about, right? That would be one thing. but what happened with us with this Hanukkah event was these people are secret Zionists yeah yeah yeah they like like it was in bad faith it wasn't it wasn't saying cool

despite whatever benefits this thing might have or whatever positive effects it has it actually has an insidious effect it was smearing the the intentions and the and the the motives and the political projects of the members to try and completely discredit them and saying nothing they say should be taken seriously and you know you got to back that up otherwise you're just smearing people no that's just hater shit yeah that's just what haters do and yeah i think i want to just play a little bit of my uh favorite moment of uh deference politics being played out

from a Noah Tishby video, I've wanted to play this video for a while. I haven't had a moment. And then I read you talking about deference politics and genocide bad. And I was like, oh, this is a perfect opportunity. So this is Noah Tishby interviewing someone who may surprise you in terms of their identity being, you know, different than you'd think. Here we go. If there is one reel, just one real that I want every queers for Palestine and college campus demonstrator and all the encampments to see, is this real. I just sat down with Yemen. He's a 20-year-old, Arab, Muslim, Israeli, queer, gay, and amazing.

Watch this. I was born in Nazareth in the north. I'm Arab and I'm Israeli, and I'm also gay, so it's kind of a nice mix. Very nice mix. You know, Israel's having a lot of problems right now. Very nice mix. I like that mix a lot. It's very useful for my purpose.

Actually, it's a perfect mix. They found him. We found one. Yeah. In fact, we wrote down the mix before we even found you personally. We had a, like, a room where we all get together and said, what's the perfect mix right now to talk about queers for Palestine? Did she call them a queer at the beginning? Yeah.

Yeah, she called him Arab, gay, Muslim, queer, and amazing. So kind of like queer and gay. As adjectives. Okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah. an oppressor, white colonialist, ethnic cleansing state. You are an Arab-Israeli gay, 20 years old.

Okay, there you go. You are a gay. You are a homo. Yes, you are, you know, a gay guy, right? And you're also these other identity markers. Isn't it crazy that anyone would say that Israel is bad? What do you say to them? People outside...

You're a big gay law. I'm sorry. I just can't. Stop. She's trying to... No, but there's such a funny way to start this conversation with the guy. I'm sorry. Yeah.

So, uh, you're gay, right? You're a super big gay guy? What isn't it? Can you repeat these government talking points for a second? I'm Muslim. I came from a Muslim family. I left my village. I had...

I have to leave my village. Why? I couldn't stay there because I can't stay who I am, really. Until now, I'm not in connection with my family. I have to say, just having someone be like, oh, I had to leave my village and say, well, why was it? Oh, because I'm gay. Which is like, somehow that's worse than having to leave your village

because your Palestinian. Because your Palestinian and the government invaded and bombed your village and now your entire family is dead or homeless. Like, it's just, you know, priorities. This is like the story of the average, you know, theater kid in New York City from Utah. I mean, why are they in Utah? They had to leave their village because...

That's right. That's a good point. Which is not... Carpet bombing fucking Utah. As you say in your book, Sam, that even if Texas was to pass some kind of, you know, vicious, anti-queer, legislation, you wouldn't be for the genocide of all, or the ethnic cleansing of all Texans.

There's a, and there was a part in my book, too, where I talk about how there was a study done that, or there was an article I talked about where one of the, they examined a group of queer people who had left Palestine or left the West Bank and moved to Israel because of their queerness because they were not accepted by their families, right? And they bought into Israeli pinkwashing propaganda. The things would be better in Israel. I was doing a search to look it up so I could quote it exactly. But basically, once they got into Israel, because they were Palestinians from the West Bank, they weren't afforded any of the political asylum that, because Israel like prides itself on, like, we provide political asylum for queer people from countries that

aren't queer farming, but not for Palestinians. So they weren't allowed, the only work they were able to engage in was like under the table work. So many of them ended up being forced into sex work. Oh, wow. They didn't have any of the assistance that other, like, queer people who have asylum in Israel were able to get. And, you know, there were interviews with that. There's different shades. There's different shades of pinkson, you know. Yeah. That's right. And they were saying, like, I would have rather died in the West Bank, like one of the interviews was quoted saying, I would have rather died in the West Bank than come here. So, overall, they expressed regret at having come into Israel.

Right. Because their Palestinianism cancels out their goodness. Yeah, yeah. The apartheid is very clear about that. There are no exceptions for any Palestinians. Yeah, right. I mean, it's, uh, there's no, um, you know, uh, there's no smart bomb so smart that they're like, oh, we're just, uh, we're not going to kill any LGBT people.

We're just going to kill, um, you know, cis white or cis Palestinian males, you know, um, yeah. Um, yeah, I'm going to keep the video going just because I want to see where it's, I got paid, uh, money. I got paid money from the country. Yeah, I got help. I got help. I got help. I got the place to sleep. I got a social worker to help me.

What would your life be like if you'd be living anywhere else in the Middle East? I'm so lucky that I'm in Israel. Like, imagine I just was born in Gaza. I wouldn't be killed already. How? How do you think? Yeah. How would you?

I mean, you might not be wrong about that, but I don't think you are saying you'd be killed by the idea. What's the most likely method of death? Yeah. Just crazy. It's crazy at this point. to like, like this was brought out, I think, you know, maybe six months into the current iteration of the genocide into the, you know, Gaza bombardment that happened after October 7th. And at this point, so many people had already been killed that I was just like, how can anyone say, you know, with a straight face that like this is, you know, an LGBTQ issue and, you know, the idea that you would.

be targeted for being gay in, you know, Gaza, and that would be the number one reason why you might be killed. It's just, that to me, that's just absolutely insane. Well, and it's just, this is really propagating that gets trotted out all the time.

I mean, I, because of my haircut, I've been told, you know, in my queer identity, I go by the end of pronouns, I've been told, oh, you'll be killed in Gaza a zillion times over. So, in the book, I have a chapter, like, all taking down pinkwashing. So a couple of things. Queerness was only like male homosexuality

was only criminalized in Palestine because of the British. The British mandate when it was under Ottoman rule, no one gave a fuck. It was not criminalized. When the British mandate came in, they enforced their British code that they had for all their colonies and it criminalized male homosexuality.

So that was the first time that male homosexuality was criminalized in Palestine. Wow. And that is still the law on the books in Gaza where it's still criminalized. So they decriminalized in Israel, but they just haven't gotten around

to decriminalizing it in Palestine. Now there was a young man that people tried out all the time who was beheaded perhaps for being gay I think about like 10 years ago. I've got it. I have like

a bad memory for facts. For someone who wrote in the book I've got all the facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but it was just, it was an extrajudicial killing. It wasn't done by the PA. Oh, interesting. And the same thing has happened in Israel. There was a girl named Shira Banke who was stabbed it out at a pride parade.

And like, the same thing happens here in Texas. Like, there are extrajudicial killings of people who are gay, unfortunately, all over the world. Right. And so, but that, for some reason, that one example is held up of like, oh, yeah, Hamas will behead you. There's no evidence of Hamas ever, from what I saw in my research, ever, like, beheading people as part of their operations. And then there's active gay rights groups that organized in the West Bank. The PA did try to like shut down LGBTQ, some organizing groups a few years ago.

And there were widespread demonstrations and they dropped that effort. So they're, you know, it's just farcical to say that Israel is so much more queer accepting than, um, much less that they're so. that they're so welcoming and sympathetic to the plight of gay Palestinians. Do you know what Israel does with Palestinian homosexuality in the occupied territories? Do you know what? You're talking about blackmail? Yeah.

You know, what they put that to? You know, that's what Palestinian queer people have to fear the most is that Israel will weaponize that leak their identity and out them. and use it to turn them collaborator. Yeah. And quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what Hamas's, you know, human rights record is with regard to sexuality or gender. I don't police or have an opinion about.

It's important to point out that they're not beheading people. Sure. What I'm saying is this, I don't think it's my place when I'm living in a country that is funding. a supermax prison on the other side of the world to get all up in arms about the human rights record of a prison

and progressive policy record of the prison gang that's risen that's risen up to control a tiny amount of what goes on within that fucking prison when we're still the ones imposing the prison conditions and the occupation it's just obscene we have no right to speak on it.

Yeah. Yeah. That's my view. Yeah. No. I mean, I think you can still be considered. I wouldn't call them a prison gang also. I think they're a lot more complex and complex and multifaceted than that.

Sure, sure, sure. And then I think, I mean, I have a long, I have a chapter in the book called But Hamas, which is all about, like, my response to all the but Hamas. It's a great chapter. Yeah. It's nuanced, you know, it takes me 20,000 words to talk about what I think about Hamas. And what I love about that chapter is, at a certain point, you're about to wrap it up. And then you say, this is where I was going to stop. And then you go on for about three times the length, realizing there's so much more to say.

And actually, and I had written it to a certain place. And then I heard Rashid Holliday on Y'all's show. And that coincided with, he actually gave me some notes on my book. He gave me notes on that chapter. The same week that his episode with y'all came out. And he was like, you haven't thought about this hard enough. He was like, you need to meditate on this a little bit more. Yeah.

So I did, yeah. Because he's, I mean, he's just such a careful thinker and knows the whole history. The chapter also goes into the whole history of Hamas. Based on him, you know, I'm totally deferring to his research and everything there. That's good deference politics. Deferred to like really well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Defer to experts on certain facts. Which Palestinian do you listen to? I mean, for me, my compass, like, he's definitely one of them. Sure. He says something I'm going to take heat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I also agree that it is, of course, you know, way more complex than they are the number one prison gang.

But it is the concept I think is or the metaphor I think is apt in general about the, yeah, it's hard. to uh it's it's the idea of me sitting back here and just being like you know uh you know what of uh you know i i want to go into like uh i can't i can't judge the resistance movement by like going into whatever boardrooms they have and seeing you know what is the c suite like do you guys have a a diverse group of is your cFO and you're it's like no they don't have that shit Like this is a resistance movement and a government that Hamas has cobbled together and been able to create at least a state that is surviving under, even before the seventh. This incredible siege in which it just was, you know, Israel controlled everything that goes in and out of there, including water, including, you know, food. including the right to make food.

So it is... We don't have to like them. We do not have to like them. But condemnation presumes the right to condemn, a place to condemn from. And when we are part of the system that is creating the conditions that puts them in power, what are we focusing on when we spend a bunch of time being like, geez, if only the Palestinians would get their shit together? Well, who's preventing from them from getting their shit together? And then using vulnerable queer Palestinians as sympathy bait to try and get us to launder more bombs to bomb all of them and their straight relatives.

I guess what I'm saying is to say I don't care what Hamas is doing, it almost kind of cheapens the efforts that Hamas, the lengths that Hamas is going to be more moral than Israel. Look at the condition of the captives being returned. So if Hamas was going around, cutting off the head. of gay people. I would have no problem condemning, I have no problem condemning cutting off people's heads because they're gay. I'm universally opposed to that. But I'll never condemn Hamas as like, I'm condemning Hamas. I'm condemning armed resistance. You know what I mean? I'm condemning resisting the Israeli occupation. And I think that if we aren't able to like criticize at all a resistance group or like, then it's kind of meaningless when you actually look

and look at all the ways they are conducting themselves with greater humanitarian, such greater humanitarian values than the IOWF, you know what I mean? That's a great point. And I think it's important to point that out for, you know, all the reason you stated, plus, you know, examples of that being the, and you bring this up in your book, the often cited original charter of Hamas being, you know, used. choosing Jews talking about this is a war against, you know, a resistance against the Jews. And then it being, you know, updated in, what was it, 07, in which they explicitly. The year, yeah, Sinwar took, this was Sinwar's, this was a Sinwar, yes, exactly.

It was 2017 or, 2017 or 2018. Was it 207? Oh, it was, it was 2017 or 2018 when it happened. Yeah. And, and it, you know, it's changed to explicitly. point out that, no, this is not, you know, against the Jews. They updated their charter as, you know, to say this is about Israel and Israeli, Israelis and the Israeli government and occupation. And they condemn anti-Jewish hate, like in Hamas's revised charter. And, and like, so, yeah, if, you know, part of being critical is not just, you know, criticism in a negative, but criticism in a positive as well. it is important to be able to take one with the other. I think it's just a question of when you know something is being very specifically utilized

in order to manipulate people into dehumanizing this group of people that's already oppressed, even more so. And ignore the crimes of this other group that's already powerful. Exactly. It makes it harder to even want to confront any of the, whatever the reality.

are of anything negative going on with the resistance group so I I definitely understand that as well it really is such a diabolical trick of of language you know well you know we're a we're very tricky people you know we're just we did it deliberately but but Zionism does it right what are the what are the Palestinians supposed to call the Jews who did this to them they are the Jews they are those Jews maybe They should call it those Jews, these Jews, them Jews, this specific group of Jews. But they just know the word the is a definite article, but it's not an all-encompassing article. It doesn't mean all the Jews everywhere.

It means the Jews that we're always talking about because they're down the road with machine guns. The Jews up there in the quad copter. Right. The Jews who call themselves the Jewish state over on the other side of that fence, the Jews, those Jews. You're supposed to not have a way of speaking about your. you know yeah no i agree i there's something about like the uh just that the the the added indignity of also having to um shape your language in accordance with the western um sentiments that are also currently destroying you uh it's like i don't think i don't think i could have that

much uh grace you know what i mean i don't think i could be that strategic at a certain point i probably If it were me, I think I would, I would just be like, fuck you. I'll call you whatever I want. And Israelis, of course, are constantly calling Palestinians Arabs, which is they won't use the word Palestinian. Yes. And to say the most racist shit about Arabs. But this is another example of deference politics, right?

Where they'll put something like semantics, they'll put a word you're using as equal or greater value than like mass murdering, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. Yes. And yet, and it's so on its face when you see it clearly ridiculous, but this is how, like, Western media just. Watch out, Sam, you're going to get us accused of being anti-semantic. We've been, we were openly. Daniel, he loves the fun. I love fun.

My nervous system just relaxed. I was getting so agitated. I just needed that. That's how my brain nuts. Like, that's my. That's the only sex drive I have left is just. Oh, God. You start smoking a cigarette every time you make a good pun.

So speaking of one of the things we brought up in the last few minutes was talking about the hostages who were recently returned. And I have an article that we are going to need to read. This is like some wonderful new Hezbarra. But before we do that, we are going to take a quick break. So please everyone stick around. And we'll be right back. And we're back.

This Bad As Barra, World's Most Modern Podcasts. We are here with Sim Kern, author of the forthcoming genocide bad, which comes out in March. March what? March 11th. March 11th. Yeah. So pre-order, now. Pre-order now.

it'll be in the show notes um okay i have some kind of pun floating around in my head it's not perfect sim but it has to do with your bookstagram and i'm just imagining like a dark version of you like a jennifer genocide radd genocide rad is good uh zionist version of yeah yeah but like a like a sort of twisted timeline version of you where you uh you do an instructional course for people about how to sort of just kind of read things in passing and make a lot of money from it and you can call it skim earn oh i like it okay yeah there's a lot there yeah it's not very funny but it makes you think though you know that's kind of like this podcast you know sometimes it's funny but sometimes it make you think um yeah also sim kern your last name uh you are the the good

Kern. You know, there's a bad Kern. There's a Lee Kern. I just want to point out, most likely no relation. That's people constantly think every Lieb, every, you know, Goldberg, every last name is related. Most likely no relation, right? You're not. Except we're all related. We're all one people. We're all one people. We're all. We're not. No, very much not. Um, recently, the, the, you know, the Palestinians and the Israelis did a captives exchange, and there was some talk going around on social media and the like about the condition of the Israeli captives who were coming home. And some of it was, you know, unfavorable in ways, like ways in which people were discussing it that I thought was like, you know, low-key inappropriate, where they were just,

There were, like, fat shaming some of them for coming back, still fat. That was kind of like what some people were saying, which I don't think is, I don't think that's constructive to do that. But in general, the general sentiment was, wow, they all looked like they were well taking care of for 15 months. Now, of course, looks can be deceiving. you don't know what somebody went through but if you're just looking with your eyes

it does look like at the very least they do look healthy yeah no one is no one is saying I mean I do see some people saying and I find it just way overly credulous and silly when people are like look at them they're smiling and waving and speaking in Arabic

like yeah yeah yeah okay you can't imagine that someone would put on a brave face, especially on the day they're being released, you can't imagine that they might have been induced by, you know, fear of reprisals to something else. You can imagine all kinds of reasons why you don't have to believe that these people now are like Hamas fans. Right, or best, or best friends, you know. Best friends.

Yes, I think, I think it's important to meet somewhere in the middle where you, at the very least are looking at the uh what appears to be the health physical condition and they do look good and and i was i was you know wondering what the line would be on that and then of course the jerusalem post they came through in the clutch with an amazing piece it's short and it's beautiful let's talk about it this is hamas altered hostages appearance before release report from the jerusalem post staff. Despite nearly starving the hostages, Hamas used special techniques to make them look healthier and more energetic. This is, I got to find out what the Hamas skin care routine is because it looks incredible. Adam believes they gave him the misdoubtfire surgery. That's when you just

put on the mask. It's actually a mrs. ceasefire. A missus ceasefire. That's right. So from the article, Hamas has reportedly implemented and, quote, accelerated rehabilitation process for the hostages before their release. The terrorist organization, according to a report from N12, provides hostages with nutritious foods and stimulants shortly before their release to create the impression that they were treated well during their captivity. The practice has come to light amid the ongoing phase release of hostages. the report states that Hamas ensures hostages appear energetic and in good condition upon their return to Israel.

However, testimonies from recently freed women paint a starkly different picture of their captivity. I got to say, using the idea of like, okay, I know you think what you're seeing are healthy individuals, but you don't know about Hamas' like breakthroughs when it comes to. delivering huge loads of nutritious foods right before release. This is something that they've been, yeah, they've got the best protein shakes that you could imagine. They have just like, they give them keels, facial creams. Everyone gets a facial.

Everyone gets their name. It's going to revolutionize the field of hangover cures. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. Do you ever wake up in the morning feeling like you've just spent 15 months in a tunnel? Yeah. Being bombed by your own country and stars. by it just

And when they go on to say oh, and the women's stories paint a starkly different picture of their captivity, but they don't actually go on to share any quote. No, yeah, yeah. In any way. Yeah, they just, you know,

the women's stories that I have in my head about what had happened paint a vastly different picture. Now, they do, you know, at some point go on to talk about the, you know, the fact that, like, well, they were held in, you know, in tunnels and in cages and whatnot. I don't know if these are based on actual reports of things that the hostages themselves said,

or this is just kind of their assumption. But in general, I just like, I really like the idea that they know that this is going to be a PR disaster, how good all of the Israeli soldiers look on their way out. It is, I mean, it just makes you kind of laugh at the idea that they're like, you know, Palestinians never invented anything. It's like, well, they clearly invented a way for the hostages to come out physically okay from captivity, which doesn't seem to be something Israel has been able to invent. Like if Hamas has this technology, why don't you use this technology? That's right. You're the ones who care about PR more than fuck.

human rights, wouldn't you be doing this to every Palestinian army, at least, if you're not going to be the most moral army, at least be the most cosmetic army, right? Like, cosmetically moral. Yes, you know? I find it, there was also a CNN report saying, oh, the captives were forced to eat bread and rice. And if you've been connected to Palestinian families over the past 16 months, like, I've done

a lot of fundraising and, like, bread and rice are a very good day. Yeah, that's food in Palestine. And that's good food. Bread and rice not made with animal feet. You are excited when they can get bread and rice. Right, exactly. And so, like, it's clear that the captives were being given at least as good or probably much better food and much more consistently than many Palestinian civilians had access to.

Yeah. And, you know, possibly even better food than they're getting in the serving in the IDF or of being, you know, just civilians in Israel. I mean, they're, you know, listen, bread and rice is nothing to sneeze at. Both of those things are food. And you can't just be like, they were feeding them things like bread and rice and crackers.

Jeez. How dare they? Yeah, it's like, where's the Shukha? It's like you can't have Shukkah every day in an active war zone. Come on, man. Yeah, they were being given seawater, how did the potable water supply get cut off again?

this is a great point that one of the things that they mentioned in the article is um you know they were forced or they had to drink seawater and it's like yeah that's um first of all bullshit absolute fucking bullshit the idea that they were like continually drinking sea water that is not that is not what was happening um and uh yeah you know you did cut off the water supply in gaza kind of seems like Kind of seems like you want on the drinks you are. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it is, it is just like, it's such a stupid discourse.

The fact that the Jerusalem Post bit on this idea of like, you know, oh, oh, you think they look good? Well, you're wrong. And look at what they say. They say they were given nutritious food and stimulants right before it released. I bet that's like they got a little bit of chicken that day. and some coffee. Yeah, yeah, stimulants. Oh, secret report, secret Hamas, nutrition.

And how much nutrition does it take in a short amount of time? Like, it's crazy to me that they were like, they were starving, except for 48 hours before they released in which they stuffed them like a fucking turduckin with all the foods they possibly could, made sure they were nice and fat, like they were harvesting foie gras, And then we like some witch from a fairy tale, you know, like, we need to fatten you up for a press day. I'm surprised they didn't go at that angle.

They were like, I know you think they look well fed, but have you, have you read this particular? Which one is that? Which fairy tale where the witch fattens, Hansel and Gretel. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Have you read Hansel and Gretel? They were kind of doing like the evil witch Hansel and Gretel thing. that's what Hamas was thinking of the whole time. Yeah, it is, you'd just, you'd figure that Israel would maybe take that on,

that they would be like, hey, whatever they're doing, we should probably do that. Because all of our, you know, captives who are in longer than six months come out, skinnier, weaker looking, and in many times, clearly, emotionally traumatized. All their hair is suddenly gray. I mean, on every, on every count, Even if you want to say, like, it is kind of, there is something quite striking about seeing these four Israeli soldiers, these young women, paraded across the stage with these banners that say, you know, Gaza is the graveyard of Zionist, Nazism, and we have the victorism, we will destroy, you know, there's like, I'm like, man, first, where, they still have printing equipment there? like they are they are operational yeah yeah they got lanyards i love that they have a printing like one guy was like oh well you know i usually i usually do band t-shirts but uh and banners but

i don't know the idea of didn't get me so i gave them a package deal um there's something kind of um what can i say vicious about that which is and and but in a kind of a based kind of way Like the resistance groups being like, yeah, we're going to do a pageant of, you know, and I can feel the in my body like the shock of one in Israeli would see looking at that. Like how humiliating. They made us look like total fools. Okay, fine. Even on those grounds, look at how Israeli soldiers do that same thing.

They don't parade Palestinian prisoners across a stage with lanyards and gift bags and humiliating slogans. They take selfies with naked, bedraggled, hooded, shackled, tortured, starving prisoners with the Israeli flag. They make them sing the Israeli National Anthem. They make them chant Amis Ra al-Khai. It's a kind of hostile humiliation, a kind of degradation that is directed at the humiliating and dehumanizing. the person themselves as opposed to being like, while we have your hostages, we're going to humiliate your whole country.

Yeah. With this pageant, you know? And I don't know. It's kind of... And not only that. It's a contrast in approaches to asserting one's oneself. Yeah. And it's really just like, you know, beyond that,

it's also they wouldn't even allow, displays of joy for a lot of the Palestinian prisoners who were coming home like literally following them back into their villages back into their homes and making sure that there was no

open displays of joy, making sure there was no celebrations because just the celebrations alone enough were were humiliating for them somehow. Somehow they found the idea of Palestinian joy to be a threat. Well, this is why I think, I mean, I think so many people in the movement

are on the left, like, kind of do the work of demoralizing our movement for us by never, never, ever celebrating a victory. Like never, everything is always like, oh, it's 4D chess. The West is, they know exactly what they're doing. I mean, from my perspective and based on the research that I did for this book and the people that I'm listening to, like, the Israeli army is incredibly depleted. It's in disarray. There's mass defections.

They're rationing bombs. They're, you know, and they desperately needed the ceasefire just from like an ability to sustain their military operations. And so sure, the ceasefire is an opportunity for them to rearm. But it, they've exhausted themselves. against Gaza and look at the capabilities that Hamas still has, right? They still have printers

and lanyard-making capabilities. Yeah. And they're still, they still have broad support of the people of the people of Gaza behind them. You know, they've tried to clear these neighborhoods over and over and over again.

And then watching, over the last couple of days, the videos of the return of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians moving into the north, all that 16 months, all those bombs you dropped and them for what? For what? They've gone back to the rubble

and they're not, it's going to be harder to move them this time. Yeah, yeah. I should say I was on our break, I was scrolling a little bit and I saw reports of airstrikes

somewhere in Gaza, Israeli art strikes like in the last hour. I don't know what's going on. It was Abubacher who posted it. So we should never, whenever we record any of these episodes, we have to just always include the disclaimer

that by the time you hear this folks. Anything we are celebrating. It may be. And of course they're going to violate the ceasefire. I mean, everyone knew that I'm not saying the ceasefire is going to last long term, but I think Israel is destroying itself. Yeah.

And I think that, you know, it is a win for God's and the scenes of joy are. Yeah. And the scenes of joy are so threatening. Yeah. And that's why the joy is. is threatening. If Israel felt confident, secure, and it's winning, it wouldn't have needed to ban Palestinians from smiling. Yeah, it just kind of like proves what the, what the war's ends actually were, something that, you know, they claim the entire time, well, this is to get rid of

Hamas. We're doing this to get rid of Hamas. We're out or the Palestinians, we're getting rid of Hamas. And everyone knew it was like, no, this is absolutely collective punishment. This is 100% punitive. You are doing like just blatant war crimes and murder of a civilian population. This is about humiliating them for humiliating us.

This is revenge killing. We know what this is. It's clear. And it becomes even more clear when after, you know, ceasefire is called, quote unquote, without fire actually ceasing.

that the thing that pisses them off the most is the fact that they're that they're not hanging their heads in sorrow they're not crying the fact that they're displaying any kind of joy to them pisses them off because it's like no you're supposed to be sad we want you to be sad forever we want you to be I mean they you know a lot of them

just want them either dead or ethnically cleansed but at the very least they want them to be sad and humiliated and the fact that they refuse to be pisses them off No, what did Smotrich say? He said something like, right now we are seeing expressions of joy, but they will soon be wiped away and be replaced only by the whales of those who have nothing left and the desolation of, I mean. Smok.

Yeah. They're all bond villains. Everyone in that fucking cabinet. There are an idea of that other article, about the mental exhaustion of Israelis the ceasefire I don't know if you wanted to talk about that one

but basically I mean the author Merav Roth was saying oh us Israeli you know it's just oh this is in Hararets yeah in Harz we feel so it's so hard to be in Israeli

we're so exhausted yeah the Gaza ceasefire is a much needed respite for mentally exhausted Israelis right no consideration of like how mentally exhausting it must have been to be a Palestinian and be in fact in this very long as article in this very long article there's no mention at all at all Palestinians no of what this has done to them and their mental health but it ends with like you know you know it ends

with the saying like yes it's so it's such a relief to not be doing a genocide anymore but like stay the course y'all like that's a basically Basically, it seems like what she's hinting at the end. Let us, our lighthouse is the human spirit. Let us row toward it and be inspired by it all the time without losing our way, without drowning just a few meters before reaching the shore. Oh, we're almost there. We're almost there.

We've almost killed them all. Right? And like, all of this, like, psychology speak. Right. We do the final solution. Yeah. Right. And the author, the author's metaphor, I think the shore she's talking of,

there's this long convoluted. rowing at sea and trying to get to the shore we've almost reached the shore where we'll build condos very good she's talking about getting the hostages back that's what the entire article is geared towards as if there's just some kind of video game quest to rescue some hostages from some mythical land somewhere and we're going through

as if the oh I can't even I can't even finish that sentence. It's just too mind-bending. I'm not so sure the shore is just getting the hostages back. Because I think she's saying we got to, we're going to enjoy this break, but we have to be ready to get back to the genociding. Let's scroll back to where she first introduces it. Okay, sure. It's very, uh, is that at the beginning? Uh, okay, first slide. Not here. Okay, yes. Okay, great. Yeah, yeah. No, no, first one. We've been in a great storm trying to row to the shore. Ever since October 7th, we have all been in a great storm trying

to row to the shore. next for you know because you're talking about the entire country's been holding its breath some among us have experienced the terrible massacre or have had relatives murdered or taken hostages and there are others who relate to them in varying degrees of sympathy and awareness but there is nobody out of the water nobody it is impossible to remain outside the storm because the hostages could have been each and everyone's children or sibling or parents so the us here is just entirely self-contained in bunker Israel it's just right you know they are just citizens whose simple life have been stolen.

Very simple life. The right to get up lazily in the morning or to leap out of bed to get the children ready for school and to go to work. The right to stand up tall without thinking of it as some special gift because it is impossible to do so in the tunnel. The right to tell day from night by natural sunlight and who could have believed the right. So basically we are all the hostages. We are all forced to be in a psychotic state where whatever we imagine the hostages are going through is now literally what we're going through. Never mind. the fact that most of us, that we're living in a country with an iron dome and that no Israeli, no Israeli civilians have died since October 7.

Right, right. Yeah. No, I mean, except in a couple of random times. Well, yeah, but it's just like this is, this is kind of like the refrain I've been hearing for 15 months, which is just like, don't forget, you are one of the hostages. That's right. Matt Lieb from Culver City. Yeah.

You are, you're in the tunnels with them. And it's, it's this like, yeah, the weird thing. Like for me, I look at this and I go like, what the fuck are you talking? No, I'm not, I'm physically not, I'm not even metaphorically also a hostage. But like a lot of people have kind of like bought into this thing where it's like, and I don't blame anyone for having any. like empathy or the ability to place themselves in like, wow, what must it be like to be someone who was, you know, taken captive by a paramilitary force? I mean, it's not at all weird to have

you know, empathy or sympathy for any, 100%. What I find insane is that all of the articles just like this or like any of the other like posts that people write about this, they don't seem to be able to apply that to anybody else, including Palestinians. See, I think that's what's actually mentally exhausting. And maybe that's me projecting a little, but I believe that it's mentally exhausting. There's a Fannin, a Franz Fanon quote I put in my book,

that the black man is enslaved by his inferiority, the white man is enslaved by his superiority. Martin Luther King also said, race thinking has a capacity to make its beneficiaries inhuman, even as it deprives its victims of their humanity. Like, is Israel, you know, like, Israeli settlers build fences around their settlements on top of the hills, and they live in the cage. Yes. Like, they're in the cage. The Palestinians are outside the cage. Yeah.

And I think psychologically, that's what, like, Israelis have done to themselves as well. They have built, like, these very thick walls around their empathy. And it's exhausting. keep it up. It must be so exhausting to hold the line of Husbarra in the face of like the entire world. Well, and that's right. And the world has become

the storm in her metaphor that they are buffeted now by winds that they were insulated from for many years of the world. I just want to suggest Israelis like if you find it this relaxing to have a ceasefire, imagine

if you ended apartheid. Imagine what a load off that would be. Yes. Yes, 100%. You talk about, like, you know, doing things for your mental health. Yeah. You want to take a mental health day. Maybe take a mental health lifetime and just don't have a part time anymore. It is crazy. And, you know, this is something that Nelson Mandela talked about a lot, too, about the fact that, you know, he believed and he saw with his own eyes. Afrikaners, you know, white Afrikaners were. also victims of apartheid in that by being the oppressors. He talks about a lot that, you know, he wasn't just trying to free his own people, but he was trying to free them from the system that was constantly putting them in a position in which they were living in fear of people who, you know, they were surrounded by.

And this is like how it is in Israel, this constant fear of people that they think they are, you know, surrounded by, you know, they constantly bring up the fact that, like, you know, we're a small state surrounded by hostile Arab neighbors. And that's the nature of genocidal thinking. We're going to kill you to put ourselves out of our misery. Right. Yeah. But it's just, you know, it's, you know, obviously when it comes to hierarchies of who I'm going to, I mean, I only have so much empathy space in my. brain. So it's, it's not like I can spend too much time crying for Israelis who are being oppressed by being oppressors. But I think it's an absolutely valid point to talk about

how exhausting it must be to have to live in this constant state of like, I've got to keep my boot on this neck forever. And, and, you know, and I'm being. yelled at now? Like, my foot's tired. I'm being yelled at. This is bullshit. It's, uh, you know, it is, it's just crazy. I think what pisses me off, this is one of the reasons why I, mostly, some of my biggest targets are American, uh, liberal Zionist is, you're not even in Israel. You, you don't, you're not even having to be a victim. of being, you know, the oppressor who's oppressed or whatever. You know, you're just a bystander

who has invented a victim narrative for themselves to fit in. That's the crazy thing to me. It's like you're inserting yourself into a victim narrative. You don't have to defend apartheid. You want to. Yeah, you're the one with the virtual reality helmet on your fucking head. Take it off. Take it off for a goddamn second.

um yeah so also i have another thing that i want to play um for you guys this is uh this is a video that us recently came out i i don't fully know the kind i think this is a like an ad for something um and uh but this was just kind of an insight into a sort of of Israeli culture in a way that I did not expect to see. So let's, let's just watch the video. Really something that I've been doing for a while now is a super israeli behavior. Let's find out what it is. So I have a tiny dog named with me and I like to take her an errands with me.

When we went to my local Shupersall grocery store, they told me that if they wanted to go in with her, I had to hold her. So the next time I went to Shepersall, I looked to the person that told me this. And when I didn't see them, I did what I wanted and came through all the ground. So what am I doing this just so Israeli? So much of what you're doing is so Israeli. Just being, just being Cartman on that one episode. I do what I want.

I do what I want. Fuck you. You know that little dog, I bet, is just like picking fights with every other dog, too. Oh, absolutely. Like the reason that she needed to pick up the dog is because that dog's a fucking asshole. Lily might look cute, but Lily is a pest. Just to summarize so far, she's saying, I went into a grocery store

They told me there was a rule About having to carry your animal Nice that they even let your animal in This doesn't seem like a support dog It's just a little pet dog And then when I went back I looked for the person who gave me that regulation And when they weren't there

I did what I wanted And now she's going to explain to us Why that's just so Israeli Yes All she talks with Leah The Transitutes to Success Method Meaning, trying to do what you want until someone tells you otherwise. I'm sorry.

She thought my slug. What does it translate to? Success method. Oh, right, right. Okay. It's called getting your way. Like, yeah. It's called breaking the rules into the last possible moment when someone physically stops you from doing whatever it is you want to do.

It's like the first. funniest thing about this is that, like, first of all, this is not even, this is not an Israeli thing in general to be like, if I want to pick up my dog and walk in, I'm going to pick up my dog and walk in. But it's also not a compliment to be like, no, this is what us Israelis do. We're constantly breaking international law until someone tells us otherwise. Yeah, it's a new national concept called being pushy. The funny thing about it is where these two contradictory things meet on the one hand you're talking about a collective trait right like this is what brings us together this is what makes us us what is the trait not giving a shit about each other trying to get one over

on each other not obeying any sense of of social contract we're so we're so tight and close to each other because we all are trying to fuck each other over and that's just so israeli that's just so israeli i'm just it's it's crazy and then Because you could take, like, what you're doing is taking something that is a universal, I think, behavior of, you know, sort of a, maybe a character flaw that a lot of us have, a little defective character of just like wanting to shirk authority because you believe it's an unjust law, maybe, or because you're just like, well, I don't care what you have to say. You work at a grocery store. But you're taking that somewhat negative thing people do and being like, this is a. a very specific ethnic thing. It's like, this would be anti-Semitic if anyone else said it. Clearly American, like, really? Raised in the U.S.

Yes, yes. And I mean, that's the other thing, too. It's very funny to be an American Jew who goes to Israel. It is just like, oh, I love it here. Everyone's such an asshole. It's like, oh, my God, people think that I'm being mean to Israelis. No, talk to any settler. They're just like, I love it here.

We're doing apartheid and everything. Oh, man. But let's hear it. Yeah, the Israeli joke it comes from. Yeah. It comes from an old Israeli joke where a diner gets a bill at a restaurant. And one of the items listed says Matsliag. So we asked the waiter, I didn't order Matsliag.

And the waiter says, sometimes you succeed, sometimes you fail. In this case, I fail. So, since I am also married. Not a joke. success. This is what? It's not a joke. What is?

Is there a pun, Daniel? In Hebrew, is it funny? Yeah. Daniel. What is, okay. No, I, I, I, I'd have to ask Qadar or someone to explain to me, but I don't get it. But this is where, you know, Israeli humor is like where Yiddish humor goes to be unfunny. Like, right?

There are, it's like the concept of, of a chutzpah, right? Which is originally a Yiddish humor. word, Israelis have appropriated chutzpah, and they think of it as like a good thing, right? Alan Dershowitz put out a book called chutzpah, but, well, the classic sort of, what's the word,

parable or whatever, about what what chutzpah is in the Yiddish sense, is a guy who kills his own parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court pleading non-guilty, not guilty, on the grounds that he's an orphan. You know, please have mercy on me. Your Honor, I'm an orphan.

That's the quintessence of the classic Giddish term. Now, does that sound like a proud national trait? Or is it a satirical look at a human tendency that some motherfuckers of all races and religions might, you know, if you were Italian, you would say, you got bulls. You got fucking stu got. got some fucking balls to come in here and tell me

you're an orphan after you killed your parents. That's what the footsma is. And everyone has, it's not specific to Israelis. So why take the negative thing? And that's why, this is what I think has gone wrong with Israeli humor because I thought about this.

Because Jewish humor is so inherently self-deprecating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, the Jews, they take over for Palestine and they're like, part of the whole Zionist project is they're not allowed to say anything bad about Israel. They're not allowed to be self-deprecating. Like, you know, if you say anything

against Jews, then you're an anti-Semite and whatever. So, like, the self got taken out of the deprecating. So it's just cruelty. Yes. It's just being an asshole. That's why their humor is like killing people, destroying their homes and then dressing up in people's underwear. Like, they think that's hilarious. Right. And they think they're making fun of themselves, but all it is is self-aggrandizing because the only self they know is an ethnically supreme one. Right. Exactly. They're all job Batinsky-pilled, so they're all just like, you know, they don't understand how to be self-critical in a way that means anything. You're a Star Wars fan, Sam.

Has someone ever done Jabotinsky The Hut? Oh, shit. No Jabotinsky, no, butta. Oh, oh, oh, oh. But yeah, no, like. You know, on a wonga. So I was very confused by the. this Israeli joke

first of all I love it comes from an old Israeli joke what are we talking in 1980 what are we talking yeah how old can this be come on what are we doing you guys old you just became a country

let's let's stop pretending there is Israeli joke is already an oxy is already yeah right Israeli you don't need to add the qualifier old to make it even more oxymar right it comes from an old Israeli joke 1992

So we recently got an email from someone who wanted to help us out with, you know, some translation and some, like, cultural context. Dina emailed me, you know, a couple days ago. And then just today, I was like, oh, I actually have something for you. Oh, you read this joke. That's great. Yes. I was like, please explain this joke. Glad to.

Nina writes. the key to the key to this to the meaning of this joke is the Hebrew word used Matziyah Matzliah Matzliah

which means success or it worked out or succeeded. In this context the waiter put the word matchliah on the bill as a menu item.

The diner questioned that item and the waiter said well sometimes it works slash succeeds where the succeeds is overcharging the diner okay if it were written in english uh i would have used the phrase works out as a build item on the tab and have the question asked that i order a works out with the waiter being well sometimes it works out for me i hope this helps it's not super funny in hebrew either yeah so That's the old Israeli joke that then created the concept of being a dickhead at a grocery store, which is something that she likes about living in Israel.

I'm not really sure. It sure does have like international law implications too. Well, I was just going to say the real life version of this is like, I don't know, murdering a Palestinian family in their home and then spray painting, legal killing. on the uh right on the on the on the house and then me like why did you do that well sometimes the sometimes we get away with it yeah sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't it's it's like the international law implications in general seem to be just like when they say you know you do something that you're not supposed to do until someone tells you not to and in this case the only people can tell Israelis not to do anything are the united fucking states and we're not

doing shit. So they're just like, all right, have that it. We're walking all of our dogs in every grocery store. And for good measure, we're going to do some ethnic cleansing apartheid and genocide. I hope that Israelis run into that old U.S.ian joke, which is fuck around and find out. Yeah, that's a great joke. Their entire ethos seems to be fuck around. Yeah. They haven't found out yet. They haven't found out yet. Oh, man. Not to the extent I would like to see.

From the river to the sea, you know, Israelis need to find out. Want to hear a great joke. Nobody move. Nobody get choked. What's that run the Jewel song? Something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, here's an Israel joke about your wife that you might not like. I won't finish that. But yeah, it is, it is a thank you. to Dina Shunera for giving me that translation. Translator in residence. That's so helpful. I know.

Every podcast. We should have had one of these months ago. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. The email said like there have been a pretty big amount of mistranslations that may have happened. Luckily we don't do anything serious on here. So anything

we're mistranslating was like an Israeli influencer talking about Sometimes we get away with it And sometimes we get away with it And sometimes we love it But we got away with this episode Didn't we fault

That was my segue into the ending Sim Kern Thank you so much for coming on the podcast And talking about this stuff with us Thank you so much for having me This was really fun Yay Where can people find you?

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My problem with Red Note is that everything's in Chinese. Not everything anymore. I mean, there's a lot of translation happening. And there's a lot of, yeah, they got a translate button now. Oh, thank God. There's a lot of Chinese and I'm like, I can't, I can't even read Hebrew. Yeah. They're going to learn Chinese.

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I think I read about half of it. And my favorite chapter was the one where you go into your, like your own personal history growing up. And you know, you preface it by saying like just so you know, yes, I am for a second going to talk about dealing with like person to person individualized anti-Semitism during a genocide.

So forgive me for that. But here's my story. And your story is fascinating. I think it's, you know, with the caveat, you know, at the beginning, with the warning at the beginning of like, sorry, I'm going to talk about these little things, then you actually get into instances of anti-Semitism in your life growing up that I'm like, that are completely foreign to me because I grew up around, you know, Jews. I grew up around so many Jews that like any anti-Semitism that I dealt with as a kid was coming from other Jews and it was like our favorite type of joke. You know, it never, never threatening. It wasn't until college that I met people who had not been around Jews their entire life. And that's when I was first started getting a little bit uncomfortable with some of the things that people would say.

I want to be like, wait, if you didn't grow up around Jews and why do you keep making these jokes? That's not your, but anyways, it's fascinating and you get into, you know, a history of European anti-Semitism, like it's a primer on that that I think is so important to, for people to educate themselves on because of the fact that you just see the way in which the, you know, Israelis have inverted. the i mean core tenants of this kind of specified hate to be just inverted to be about Palestinians and about uh the Palestinian people and it's it's it's brilliant it's so good oh thanks Matt yeah it really was great so so good job on that on writing book because writing book is good you two both have written book um I've I've not written book but I got book idea You got a book. I'll read your book.

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