Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 84: I Did It, with Greg Stoker and Maggie Freleng

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

While Daniel executes a covert mission off-comms, Matt is joined by Greg Stoker (Colonial Outcasts Podcast) and Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Maggie Freleng. They cover the ongoing Kamala Harris blame scapegoating, Israel state PR recycling their hasbara hits, and whether the senator from Pennsylvania should actually be called John Fetterman’s Monster.Please donate to Children in Conflict: childreninconflict.orgCome see Matt Lieb and Francesca Fiorentini do stand up in Los Angeles at the Ice House on February 19th https://www.showclix.com/event/the-ice-house-new-world-disorder-02-19-25-7-30-pmAlso Matt and Francesca will be at the Sacramento Punch Line on March 16th! Buy tickets now! livemu.sc/4jS1qKfGreg Stoker’s Colonial Outcasts Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@ColonialOutcastsMaggie Freleng’s Suave Podcast: https://www.futuromediagroup.org/suave/Subscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get  your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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All of garden us White costs for us Zabrahamas Asvaras Us What up, everyone, and welcome to Bad Hasbara, the world's most moral podcast. My name is Matt Lieb, and I will be your host for this podcast. Unfortunately, once again, my co-host, my co-lover, Daniel Mante, could not make it to the podcast today.

He is, unfortunately, in the ICU, still recovering from his... his mishap with a penis pump that exploded his penis. Unfortunately, they were able to sew it back together, but unfortunately, he had another accident, inflatable butt plug in his anus has expanded his colon beyond what it can take, and so he is back in the ICU dealing with that. They're going to pop his butt like a balloon, and we hope for him a speedy recovery. um please subscribe and uh you know like and comment on all of the channels in which you can do that one channel in particular thank you adam youtube.com slash at bad has bar if you have not subscribed to our channel yet um you should you should do that i i assume you have if you're

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Patreon. So please, patreon.com slash badass barra. Okay, today, since there is no Daniel, we are, of course, foregoing what's the spin. And instead, we are going to do something that we enjoy doing when Daniel's not in town. We're doing what's the spoon. And we're doing that with producer, Adam Levin.

Hey, it's me. I'm that guy that you said. Yeah, what's up, dude? How you doing? I'm doing all right. I'm excited to share some food today. Oh, I love it. So can you please tell me what's the spoon?

So when things get stressful, I bake and cook and watching the copper wire get stripped out of the country has got me pretty wound up. Sure. Well, to be fair, we weren't using it. Fair enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, our country's got all this wire and nobody's doing anything with it. We're not sending messages or electricity. we might as well strip it for parts.

Yeah, and we're going to get all the rare earth minerals elsewhere. So we might as well pull that wire. I love it. We're like a country filled with like bubbles from the wire, just stealing bits of copper wire and selling it for heroin. Yeah. And so the other day I made this facacha from a recipe by Brian Ford, who is an incredible sourdough baker and food writer.

Not related to the Ford who built the car. and hates the juice? No, I think much, much different, much different. Okay, good. It was just, it was so good, and I served it with a vegan tomato vodka and canolini bean soup, and it was comforting and satisfying, which is kind of what I needed in this moment. Yes.

And so I would encourage anyone who is spinning out a little bit to try and do something with your hands, try and burn that energy off in a way that, that, that, that, nourishes your soul in some other way. Wow. I agree with that entirely. And also this looks like the most delicious facacha I've ever seen. And also the tomato sauce looks fucking delicious. Yeah.

So if you're out here and you're spinning out of control, try doing something with your hands, whether it's making bread or over pumping a inflatable butt plug to the point of needing to be hospitalized. Whatever you need to do in order to get mentally well, We encourage it. Some people need that high PSI in the boo-boo, you know. Absolutely.

High PSI in the Buttee. Thank you so much, producer, Adam, for letting us know what the spoon is. Always a pleasure. Of course. And now, it is time to introduce our wonderful guests for today's Bad Hasbara. We have two amazing guests coming in to talk to me about life. and Zionism, and America, the Great. Our first is a returning champion of Bad As Barra.

He is a former U.S. Army Ranger. He is an anti-war activist. He is a host of Colonial Outcasts, the wonderful podcast you can listen to and or watch on YouTube. And, of course, the weekly show, State of Play on Mint Press News. We have Greg Stoker, and we have a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. producer, Maggie Freeling and Greg Stoker are here. What's up? Hi. Hi. Thanks so much for having us. I'm so stoked to have you both. Greg, obviously, I'm like 5% less stoked because we've had you before. We've talked to you before. I am 5% more stoked on

Maggie Freeling being here, not least because you're Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. Yes, that is accurate that's that's like the best kind of prize you can get it is it is uh it's kind of amazing wasn't expecting that um so now i've peaked in i'm done i've retired you can literally do whatever you want now yeah i retired how big how big is it so there isn't a physical one um see that's fucked up i have a piece of paper for all of my accomplishments they should give you a trophy can have you considered going to a trophy can have you considered going to a trophy shop and getting one made. Yeah.

Right, maybe you should do that, actually. A custom job. Yeah, get a custom job. Yeah, you can like, you know, it can have a little golfer on top, you know, for no other reason. No reason, exactly. Then golf seems like a sport that someone who wins a prize. I think you need to get me a politzer.

Yeah. Or maybe it could be like an abstract butt plug saying that seems to be a theme today. Yes. What are the rules, you know? There's nothing to go off of. You may as well just use one's imagination. You can do whatever you want. So Maggie and Greg, you may not know this, but I too actually am a award-winning journalist.

And I am one on accident because I worked at AJ Plus for a few years doing a comedy show called Newsbrook. And we somehow, one of our, I guess the people who run the office were like, what are we going to submit to different things? and they submitted one of our videos to these. Society of Professional Journalists. SPJ. Is that real? Yeah. Okay.

So then I just wanted to point out that I somehow, even though I've never actually done journalism in my life, am an award-winning journalist. That's amazing. I mean, Greg is not. I am not. I'm just a dude being a guy doing bro things. you know, bro, you got to get on that.

Talking into his mic, that's it. Dude, you got to, you know what? Just start submitting. Just start submitting stuff to different things. You know, I, I feel like if you could submit for the Webbies, you could probably submit for the Pulitzer's. What does that cost? Like $15?

Oh, God. Yeah, who knows? I didn't even know we were submitted. So when I won, I was in a hot tub. I was really wasted and I was smoking a blunt. I was celebrating something else. I was celebrating something else, and my phone started blowing up. And everyone's like, oh, my God, I can't believe it.

And I'm just, like, surrounded by half-naked people at a pool. Like, what's going on? That is incredible. That really rules. So tell me, in terms of journalism, what is your beat? What do you usually talk about? With criminal legal system, mostly prison. I was doing border reporting and ICE reporting for a minute when I was working at NPR's Latino

USA. But that's kind of moved to prisons now. Okay. So you're, I assume the, you know, you talk about how prisons are good and how we need more of them. Absolutely. Expand the prison industry. Also, like, actually fund the police. I know.

Fund the, they need more funding. Yes. Have we considered funding the police, putting the fun back in funding? I think it's egregious that the LAPD has only a bigger military budget or a bigger budget than the Iranian military. I know. Let's, let's bump that up to China.

Bump it up. Doesn't the NYPD have a, is the LIPD bigger? No, no, they're both bigger than the Iranian military budget. So that's fun. That's, that's really too bad because how are we ever going to, you know, defeat the gang of Iranians who are constantly running havoc in this country? Launching drones.

Launching drones. Yep, that was the Iranians. Yep. Killing, you know, a diplomat. mats inside of our, you know, embassies, our protected embassies, you know, doing all, you know, all the stuff Iranians do. It is, it is just crazy. It's very, it's very DEI and it needs to go. Yeah, that's what it is. It's just another version of DEI. Um, uh, how about a little less DEI and a little more DIE, you know what I mean? Yeah. Die. Uh, Maggie.

I want to ask you, so you have covered the prison industrial complex. You're now a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist. When it comes to the issue of Israel-Palestine, as someone who, as an award-winning journalist myself, I know that, depending on where you work, kind of dictates the sort of. style guide of how you are allowed to talk about a certain subject. And a lot of people, I think, in journalism and in all sorts of different professional industries, especially public-facing ones, abstain from saying anything about, you know, Israel-Palestine for not just, you know, fear of retribution, you know, in terms of their

jobs, a fear of these freaks online who will do anything to try to create. the illusion that everyone is against what you're saying and try to get you fired. What has been your experience as someone who has talked about this out loud before? So I don't know if you know, I am Jewish. I almost put that in the bio, but I, you know, it's one of those things. Okay, but I think we need to talk, like I need to tell everyone this because there was a press release that went out about me once, that I'm a goth, Latin X, producer. And not that you can't be a goth Latinx Jewish producer, but I am not Latina. I'm like totally Long Island, New York Jewish girl. Yeah. Well, you have to be, you have to be goth on your

mother's side or else it doesn't count. Exactly. Exactly. No, my dad did tell me recently because he's all mad at me about this that I'm not Jewish. So that's a whole other. Card. Yes. Card revoked. Card revoked. I've had my card revoked a couple of times. Exactly. So, um, in terms of of work, I think, you know, I always just knew from when I started journalism over a decade ago that I was never going to fit in in a traditional media space. So it wasn't an issue for me to speak out. And actually when I did, it was right after October 7th. I was really grappling with my Judaism, which was something that I actually never really identified with. I'm just pretty culturally and ethnically Jewish, not religiously. So, you know, it- Which is something you're not allowed to be, unless you're a Zionist, by the way. Yes, absolutely. You're not allowed to be like culturally, ethnically, uh, Jewish. Uh, that's, that's a fake Jew, unless you are pro-Israel, in which case you are, of course, Jewish and I would never question anything. Or if you're a Christian nationalist, Christian Zionist, you know, you're, you're welcome to absolutely. If you're a Christian

Zionist, then who am I to say that you're not Jewish? Absolutely. And who are you to say that you aren't Jewish? Exactly. Exactly. So, you know, in that I did not see really many Jewish voices. So I felt it was really, really important to speak out about this issue, which had been something in my life since I can remember. I remember, you know, going away to college and just only growing up around Zionists. I mean, if you Google Long Island New York, it's kind of crazy. Greg has experienced it. Oh, yeah. But like I remember going to college and like learning about Palestine more and the issues in a more nuanced way. And I just remember like I had boyfriend who was wearing a kaffia and we were going to meet my Zionist best friend and I was like,

can you take the kofia off? And I just like thinking back on that moment. So after October 7th, I just had so much that I felt guilty about and just so much to grapple with that not speaking out was never something I considered. Yeah. And I must say, I think one of the most, one of the most beautiful aspects of your anti-Zionism is it comes from your father, which is a place of deep, deep racism and white supremacy. Yeah, that's right. You can't have Zionism really without it. So, yeah.

Well, no, wasn't he just like, no, we're not from that part of the world. Yes, no. Well, that was, that was, so that was always why, even as a kid growing up, right, I would ask about Israel. I would be like, why is this friend, like, say Israel's her homeland? And Israel was never my homeland. I was always an Eastern European Jew. Right.

And it was because I think my dad very much did not want to acknowledge the brownness of Ms. Rodney Jews and that being the homeland. I truly think it was a racist thing that we are, that's not our place, not our place. That's amazing to be like so racist that as an American Jewish Zionist, you're just like, we're not from the Middle East. That's where the Arabs are from. That's what I think the reason we are. Well, he's not really a Zionist.

He doesn't consider himself a Zionist. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's good. That's good. So he's not a self-described Zionist. No. Okay. He's just, you know, just run of the mill.

Just doesn't like anyone that's really not white. So we're not from there because we're white. I love that. I love that. It's, I mean, listen, it's, whatever gets you there. Allies, allies come in different in all shapes and sizes. Exactly. You know, the fact that he's Jewish makes me somehow a little bit more comfortable than if he was just a white nationalist.

But, yeah, so, I mean, it's, it is interesting hearing your story because it is something that I have heard a lot. You know, it is very similar to my story. Did you have you faced any backlash from being someone who's publicly? public and outspoken regarding this issue? Not that I'm aware of. You know, I don't engage with trolls. I used to. That destroyed my mental health a long time ago.

So I don't do what Greg does. So if there is, I don't really see it. But in terms of like my career, I only think it helped because I was true to me. I was true to what I believe is a deep, deep rooted injustice. and problem. And if I lost work because of that, I don't care. So I think it's only helped because I'm here. Yeah.

And at this point, you're kind of immune. You have a goddamn Pulitzer. That rules. And you know what? We're seeing the tide shifting, right? After October 7th, within a couple months, you couldn't say it was horrible. You couldn't say anything. Yeah, probably I was attacked online.

I'm not Jewish. But, you know, it's now it's like we're looking at it in retrospect to the Nazi. what were you doing when you didn't speak out? I look at fellow Jewish people and I'm like, what were you doing? Now that we're interviewing people on the ground in Gaza, now that Trump is in office and it's all bad, now the war is bad. Yes, yes. Now the war is bad. But the great thing about this is the liberals now have a, they have something else to do other than talk about Palestine because they will.

will not talk about Palestine instead they will say hey see what happens all you pro palestine people oh you left this you left this you left this you god damn you muslims and browns and Palestinians who came out and said hey we don't like this genocide well now you're going to get more genocide yeah and that is uh today's first subject that i want to talk to you guys about we're going to be talking about who's Greg is excited yeah Greg's like yes who's to blame who's to blame so uh as you all are well aware anyone who is uh on social media um has noticed something in the last i would say like week so on February 4th after Trump announced is intention to ethnically cleanse Gaza and put it under American occupation, Democratic Party

staffers and fundraisers saw this blatant attack on Palestinians and said, hey, that looked like fun. Let's also attack them. So I don't know if y'all have noticed, but like in the past week, it feels like every Democratic Party consultant chill loser was just farting out the same message on social media of just like this is what happens oh look what you guys did have you guys have you guys uh noticed the insane amount of the same take over and over gregg well yeah you know like a lot of these liberal i'd say pro democratic party influencers got like they got co-opted at the dnc yeah like i don't want to drop like any names like pearl mania 500 um yeah Yeah.

He's still like making every post and like he's got a huge following on TikTok, huge following on Instagram. I haven't got into the phase of like beefing with him because I know like he got suborned at the DNC. And all he's doing is like posting about Jill Stein. He's like, I hate Jill Stein. She deserves a special place in hell. And I was like, what's interesting is like there's no moral consistency.

And of course he, for example, is a white guy. And I was like, you know who also took, took votes away from the Democratic Party? Like Claudia Carina, Cornell West, are you just not talking about them because they're not also like white-ish? Yes. There's just like not a moral consistency. And obviously it's just not supported by the data at all. You know, maybe you should talk about the 10 million registered Democratic voters that didn't go and vote than like third party. voters so there's not going to be any like analysis about why we lost beyond like you know you

didn't do your part and I don't know it's it was that times piece that came out what did you think of that one which one was that god I can't remember it was the one that everyone was putting around it's here somewhere okay yeah I mean I feel like what I have seen is you see the occasional um postmortem in which they go like oh looks like people did kind of care about cause a little bit And that has turned into, rather than being a moment of self-reflection in which you go like, oh, shit, man, that whole ignoring, you know, the uncommitted movement and ignoring anyone and everyone who was talking about Gaza really bit us in the ass. Instead of doing that, they just go, oh, good, we have a scapegoat.

Right. It's been crazy. I feel like they all started, like, tweeting the same bullshit at the same time. It's like they all got the, like, the bat signal. but for DNC asshole. It was like they got the rat signal. Yeah. And it was just like, all right, everyone, time the God here

and somehow gloat about being losers. It comes in waves, right? So the first wave was after Trump was like, we're going to develop Gaza into a waterfront property. Right. I've done a bunch of episodes on that. I was like, how? Like, what are you going to do, send in U.S. troops to the ground?

Like, Habbas is. Has anyone answered that yet? No, no one's going to answer it. No, because, because like literally, according to our own intelligence services, like, Hamas has reconstituted itself comparable to a pre-October 7th state. Wow. And they have repelled multiple Israeli armored divisions over the past, like, year. So what are you going to do, send them back in?

No, you'd have to send in U.S. troops. And that would, like, take eight months to mobilize a multi-division combat action, shipping, like, 101st airborne and Marines across the Atlantic Ocean. Yeah. And so, like, for eight. months you'd have to deal with like political backlash for that mobilization. Right. It's really stupid. But of course, uh, like the, the democratic simps, I guess, won't acknowledge or think critically. Like, they're literally populist, like not populist. They're reactionaries. They're

new maga is a bunch of political reactionaries. So when they say Trump is going to do something, they take it like at face value. Right. Not paying attention to what he did his last presidency, where he said he was going to do a bunch of shit and nothing happened. Right. Exactly. And that's not to say that, like, he isn't, you know, that he doesn't deep in his heart want these things to happen. I'm not one of those people who is like, oh, no, you know, everything with him is, you know, a negotiation tactic. I do believe that there's a version of that in there where he just like, his negotiating starting point for anything is like, what if I kill you and your family? and then he sees if he can work his way back. But he, I absolutely believe that in his heart of hearts,

he wants to turn Gaza into beachfront property for American tourists. If he could. Yeah, if he could, he would. And the thing is, is that if the Israelis could, they would. They've been trying to do this shit. And, you know, this is the thing. I don't put anything past the Israelis in terms of capabilities to do murder and ethnic cleansing. But I will also say this tactic of threaten the Israel's neighbors in order to get them to allow for the depopulation of Gaza and the West Bank and taking refugees has been tried before.

This is something Biden was doing behind closed doors advocating for and was summarily rejected by leaders in the Arab. states around it around israel we're like no we're not we're not doing that we're we cannot stay dictators if if the people watch us allow the ethnic cleansing to be completed in gaza yeah and you know maggie just brought up that like she doesn't get into twitter fights anymore because it's bad for a mental i mean i still do um yeah i mean i was going to say matt do you beef with bros on twitter because yeah i i really like it the thing is is like uh i i in enjoy um uh i enjoy the chaos of their mindset so i like to find that's why i do this podcast is because i like to find the ones who are just cannot hold like their opinions are so

myriad and they have so much different has bar happening in their brains at once that they none of their statements stand up to scrutiny and next to each other and so i like to i like to poke at them because they're the ones who are just like oh you know oh look at you you're going to do a podcast in which are profiting off of a genocide and then they go oh so it's a genocide they go no it's like all right man um see that's funny and fun but like to try and change some of these people's way of thinking well i don't do that i can't it's just exhausting yeah but you know there's there's hard data from somewhere from this blog that says, you know, 99% of the time before you give up, you know, arguing with someone, you're just about to change their mind.

You were right about to change their mind. You're right there. That's true. You got to keep chasing that carrot, dog. So I don't do it with Zionists. I generally do it with the pro-Harris crowd that's still like vengefully, like, delighting in the destruction. With them, there's, you could change. I don't think so. I don't think so because now they're like, you see now they're going to get moved to Egypt

and be refugees forever. I was like, okay, well, let's just play this out since you're a foreign policy, geopolitical expert all the same. Yeah, right. But my mother, you know, she's hard, like, I'm a Democrat forever and I'll never move to Texas

is my mother. But I think this, I think we've made inroads with her. I really do. I could see her. going third party next election like I really do I have a a sacrilege opinion on this for a leftist which is that while I do agree that in many many cases you scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds I also you know look at my own trajectory and I go like no there are liberals who turn into

leftists on this there are liberals who have the opinion of like like centrism and like, oh, you know, the pragmatism and all that, uh, who, um, turn into anti-Zionists. It, it is, it is a thing. I, and I think we do ourselves, I think, a little bit of a disservice when we forget that we were all so little liberal bitches at one point. I was just going to say. Like even, you know, we've been talking so much about, um, you know, Beyonce's Super Bowl performance, for example. Like, you know, we were talking about this Super Bowl with Kendrick and when Beyonce did her Black Panther thing, like, I just remember thinking I was like a little liberal and just thinking like that was the coolest fucking thing. Right. Yeah. You know,

like we all change. We can all be radical. Yeah. I mean at that point like as a like someone who grew up like as a liberal in New England. Yeah. Yeah. I thought like the black panthers were like super radical. And they were. But there, I didn't understand the problem of like having a multi-billionaire. Right. Of course. You know, a cosplay as a bunch of revolutionary communists. Right. Yeah. Especially. when you know there's not uh any um political praxis there uh at all other than sort of this like you know surface level uh representation politics in which is like well if i show imagery of something radical then i am associated with it which is of course not the case and i think that's a that's a that's a good point about like yeah so some liberals can be brought over right some are some are just going to die

on that hill. Exactly. That kind of brings us back to my ebb and flow of like the you did this to Gaza thing that we get from like the what I call the Harris crowd

because now at the Kendrick Super Bowl halftime show that guy had a Sudan and Palestine flag and they got triggered again and that was a whole like what are they saying now? Like just the same thing like what have Palestinians

ever done for black people? That kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How's the weather in Langley, bro? And who's saying this? the CIA is saying it yeah the FBI is saying it um yeah no it is like uh something I see obviously a lot with liberals in which you can you know silence for 16 months of genocide and then when they have the chance to uh be like I am against genocide now because

Trump, they've dug in so much that they're like, I've been fighting with the left for too long to not to stop fighting with them. This has to be about how, you know, oh, look, look what you did. Look what you did, you psychopaths. And where I do think you're right, Greg, when it comes to liberals not changing is there's the class of liberal that depends on the patronage of the Democratic Party. It's these like, it's the ones who their entire, you know, their entire profession is mouthpiece for Democratic Party. And they're the ones who I think are, of course, never going to change because unless the leadership changes of the party, they're going to just stick to the party line and do the thing that they always do, which is like continue to not learn

anything, continue to repeat the same mistakes over and over again, because at the end of the day, Trump is good for fundraising. So if they really thought that this was the election to end all elections, you'd figure that they would lie more, pretend to be pro-Palestine, pretend that they cared about the votes of young people and Arabs and Muslims and people of color. You'd figure that they would try through lying to get- Well, they had the smallest bar to have a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, smallest bar. They failed that.

The lowest fucking. bar you can have two minutes two minutes to state screen time that's all it would have taken like it probably would have changed a lot of voters i think i think it would have changed some and and you know at the end of the day you look at harris's loss and you go like uh there's you can't actually say there's one issue in which they uh you know could have that could have changed everything but i will say this uh if she had been you know uh broken with biden and broken with the democratic party and the Democratic Party donors to be like, yes, I will do an arms embargo straight up. And yes, Israel is clearly an apartheid state. So say every human rights organization in existence.

I think people would, who, you know, maybe stayed home not because they hated her or her policies or whatnot, but because it takes a lot for people to go out to vote. Most people who stay home, it's not that they're staying home out of spite. They're staying home because they're going to work. They're just living their lives. They don't fucking know an election's happening. Yeah, exactly. They don't even know Kamala Harris is running. So, like, you know, I think people might have noticed, you know, if she had broken

with something that took balls, you know what I mean? But no, of course, that didn't happen. Yeah, I guess I just wish, you know, now that that's all over. And we've done a post-mortem on her, like, like a material analysis and a like a class analysis post-mortem on her entire campaign, which the Democrats will, which the DNC will never do. You know,

I just kind of wish now that Trump is president that the Democrats would treat this authoritarian takeover like it was a campus protest. Yeah, yeah. What about that? Just as bad. Like, think about, what if Trump was...

Just as bad? He set up a tent in front of the white house. Yeah, what would happen? What if he was a blue-haired child? liberal arts major yeah just imagine you're as angry at that like instead of just doing the thing

where you use your rhetoric using your institutional muscle like you did with all of those kids at Columbia or UCLA use your institutional muscle like you do with anybody who is pro-Palestine they had snipers on roofs

yes yeah instead they're just treating it like all right we're going to do what we did last time write a bunch of op-eds about how how scary this is. Yeah, that'll that that that worked great last time. But why do we think this is like are like genuinely asking like they they have to just not care like that's what it is. I I mean I actually do think that uh having you know this is my own personal experience having met some people who work uh you know I did a show one time like a a comedy show where the audience were just social media, like, managers for different

Democratic Party campaign. Like, these were like, so they're all young, hip people. And it was a comedy show for, like, the person who ran the social media for Howard Schultz and the person who rolled the social media for Michael Bloomberg. Wow. And after the show, I was like talking to some of them. And I was like, oh, they're just like, they believe, they don't really believe in anything. They're kind of hired guns.

They have like two or three issues that they see as differentiating Democrats from Republicans, which are, you know, are real issues. It's not that they're insignificant whatsoever. But like, politically they're not that active. And they, lokey, their entire income stream is every four, years they get hired for a fuck ton of money to do campaign internet videos and stuff and i just kind of extrapolated that to like think of the entire consultant class of the democratic party their income is dependent on you know them pushing for candidates to run for things

that if trump loses the bad side is like the political stuff the good side is they get get more money because they get to keep working on videos and fucking, you know, TV hits and appearances in which they can try to do fundraising against Trump. So it's kind of, you know, there's a whole economy there. So what you're saying is our political leaders don't actually care about us. Oh, I mean, this, I, this may come to a shock to a lot of you out there. But I'm starting to think they might be corrupt. Well, you know, um, Actually, you know, I think free Eric Adams, he's innocent. Yeah, obviously, obviously.

Okay, first of, yeah, and then Trump's, like, the Trump's Department of Justice just order the prosecutor in New York to drop all charges against him. Are you kidding? Oh, yeah. It broke right before we got, we hopped on here. Yeah. I want to throw it. Yeah, and also Trump today, he also pardoned Rob Blagojevich. Oh.

Yeah. I mean, what did he do other than? legally take illegally take bribes right isn't that wasn't he bribed he's Illinois guy right yeah he said about like a couple of like seats it's like

I mean I'm sitting on this thing and it's a pot of gold right gonna give it away for fucking nothing yeah yeah I love it I love it you know he's a good dude meanwhile I just need to take the moment to say that there are actual innocent people on death row people that could be pardoned

people that are going to be killed when they nothing wrong. Billy Allen is one of those people that could be pardoned. Everyone took him up. Yeah. And a lot of these things are like the governor will know that they're innocent. But like if you overturn this case, then the prosecutor who also may have wrongfully convicted a bunch of other people, you'd have to reexamine all those other cases.

So that's just a lot of paper. And then it puts the whole system in question. And we know system is good. Look, rules are rules. Rules are rules. Rules are rules. And they're meant to be broken. What?

But yeah, just to go back to some of the cruel gloating and shirking of responsibility that the Democratic Party, like, consultant class and media dipshits have been doing, here's a few tweets. So we have one from this fucking guy. I have Alex Cole. I have zero sympathy of the Palestinian Americans who stayed home or voted for Trump. You get what you deserve. Here is Simone Sanders. I think now it's very appropriate to reiterate that elections have consequences. Here is Julia Ayafi.

I've never actually had to pronounce this name. Hope everyone is happy now that they got Genocide Joe out of office. And this is with a quote-tweeting, Breaking News from New York Times, Prime Minister B.B. Netanyahu and President Trump declared Palestinians have no alternative but to leave Gaza. And then here is just, here is Julia Rogansky. Joe, not at all Joe Rogan affiliated. Her name is Julia. Julie Rogensky wrote, heck of a job, Dearborn, especially you, Rashida, to live. Well, that last one got 1.4 million impressions. Yeah, I was just looking at that with them.

fuck yeah what yeah 1.4 million views and then uh only uh 2 000 retweets which means that most people who are just quote tweeting calling that person a monster my favorite one uh is one that i responded to this one is uh a little bit there's a lot of layers here okay so here it is so from this is a quote tweet of a new york post article dire warning 6.3 million people can die from AIDS if U.S. cuts funding. That's cutting funding from USAID. And Mandy Kong wrote, really glad that an army of queer kids, born in the Bush years, spent a year spamming web feeds about how Harris was just as bad as Trump. Y'all did such powerful activism there. I've seen a lot of takes, but I have yet to see one that is like, you know who's

to blame gay kids born between 2000 and 2006 specifically for going online and writing about Palestine stuff like that is so specific like at this point just just say the name of the person you're talking to you have a person in mind you're mad at a particular queer kid yes exactly your nephew you know yeah it's your nephew little little shit on like what i think is more shocking about this tweet is uh the new york post reporting important facts i know that's kind of incredible well i think they were to be honest i think they were it was they were celebrating yes 6.3 million 6.3 million people in the global south are about to die of it yeah new york post celebratory headlund. Dyer warning. If you stop this

funding cut, then they won't die. Yeah. It is fucking, it's fucking insane. And then like there, uh, there was an article that came out right after, because like all of these tweets, they're all from fucking February 4th, February 4th, February 4th. It's just like, it was, it was like I said, the rat signal went out and they all decided that

they were going to use this opportunity to blame Palestinians for their own suffering and specifically blame the left and the small Arab American community for you know it's not these people just don't live in reality like you can't argue they don't live in reality they're not working with facts no they're not and and it's because they are protecting what's most important to them which is the narrative that if everyone had just shut up and let, you know, Kamala, you know, do her thing unencumbered by protests, then she would have won, which is an insane thing to say when you look at the goddamn way in which you lost every swing state.

Also, protesting isn't new. This whole, like, now we're mad at protests. It's just so crazy. You know what? No protests. Shut up. Toe the line. Do what the party tells you.

Because we're here to fight fascism. Yeah, that's right. You know, because fascism is when everybody is free to say, no, I mean, that's the thing is like the idea that these people even give a shit about fascism when what they want more than anything is conformity. I mean, I truly believe that a lot of these people don't take their own claim seriously when they talk about fascism. And in fact, the people who were the most vocal about it, about, you know, Trump and fascism were people who were at these pro-Palestine protests. And it was like, it's insane to think that they, like, that all these kids who were protesting against Israel wanted Trump. It's such bullshit. It's, it's, it's, the idea was, no, we wanted the people in power to listen.

to us who are saying don't do genocide motherfuckers yeah and also like what they won't ever be able to kind of internalize or understand it's like yeah it was a pro-Palestine protest but like a lot of these things were intersectional they're like climate activists stop cop city people coming to do organizing with the pro-palestine stuff but like they will never be able to I don't think they can intellectually or have the emotional curiosity to kind of internalize that the Palestine issue sits at the nexus of everything else that's going on in our country, you know, the exploitation of the working class, the rise of the national surveillance and security state. Absolutely.

You know, it's the fact that our elections are, and our political, you know, our politicians are bought and sold by various lobbying groups in the United States, not just including Israel in the Israel lobby, but also including gas. I was going to say foreign governments. Yeah, gas, weapons manufacturers. I mean, fucking, like, the idea that, you know, when it comes to Israel, it points out a lot of the vulnerabilities within our system and all the problems that we have. And, you know, that's why the left. But I think that's, yeah, exactly.

You were just going to say it and I interrupted you. No, no, no. Please interrupt me. But we can keep going down this rabbit hole because, like, a lot of the, the bottom paid for, like, Democrat, like, DNC influencers were like, Jill Stein's connected to Russia. Do we want Russia controlling our government? I'm just like, say something about Israel, bro. There's a lot more concrete evidence that, like, will come. Yeah.

Yes. But this all goes back to something we've been talking about a lot, which is just how the liberal media and liberals in the past have helped the rise of fascism going back directly to the Nazis. Yeah, yeah. And we saw that because, you know, the liberal media in 1930s, Germany, we're just like, we need to be like objective journalists. And here both sides of the argument, you know, the other side being freaking Nazis.

Which is also crazy because, as I was saying earlier, I just never fit into traditional media. And so part of that is doing this like two sides of every equation. And I just always said, fuck that. I don't, I just. Yeah, you know, sometimes things are wrong. And, you know, don't be like CNN when, you know, Elon Musk gave his heart to the crowd. And the CNN pundits were like, oh, wow, he just did that. awkward gesture.

You know, our audience is smart. They know what they saw. It's just not something you traditionally see in American politics. That is exactly from the playbook of the 1930s. It truly is. And it's scary and people are just so willfully ignorant that we're there again. Yeah. And I think that, you know, it's like the, at least traditional media and I think politicians

and whatnot Democratic politicians are so invested in the idea of the sacredness of the norms that they just think pointing out something going against a norm will be enough for most people to be like, oh, this is bad,

I love norms. And they fail to heed all of the calls from their constituents and regular folks who do not like the status quo. And so they, They refuse to believe that there is a significant amount of people who don't think the norms are normal who are against. It's not that they're against norms because they want fucking Hitler salutes at the inauguration.

They're against norms because the norms have basically included bought and paid for politicians sitting in seats forever. And I mean, corruption upholding white supremacy and the 1% and all that. We have a bunch of like new normals now, like the state policy of bombing hospitals. Totally normal. And if you're against the norms, do you, do you condemn Hamas? Right. Yeah. What's the norm at this point?

But it's interesting that you brought up the idea of norms because it's connected to like the Democratic Party. You know, they have like the Democrats have like generally the same foreign policy that the Republicans do. With some exceptions, like Republicans generally. have a different stance on the Russia-Ukraine war. But everything else, it's like full send, weapons-free boys, let's go. The only difference is that Democrats have like this traditional language of decorum. So like we can give political cover for a genocide while also saying, and there have been way too many people killed on both sides.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Instead of Trump being like, we need to develop the fuck out of this. Because I guarantee you, if Harris was still in there, She would say, like, you know, she wouldn't put any breaks on it. She would try to get the people out of there somehow. And she'd be like, you know, the Palestinians need to be able to return someday while still honoring like Black Rock development contracts. Yes, 100%. But that's why this election really was, do we want fascism light or fascism heavy?

And how fast do we want it? Same great taste, fewer calories. I mean, it's like just what form and how fast do we? want the collapse of empire truly. Yeah. And, you know, when you talk about foreign policy between the two parties, I mean, you know, the daylight between them is obviously, you know, like you said, maybe Ukraine is probably the biggest a bit, NATO alliances and whatnot.

And then when you talk about the, you know, domestic policy, that's where you see like the biggest shift in terms of like, you know, culture war issues, uh, which are real fucking issues, you know, uh, healthcare issues, right? I mean, you know, uh, protecting access to abortion versus making abortion illegal and like, uh, you know, uh, immigration, you know, fucking deporting people, sending them to Guantanamo, or finding a path to citizenship for people. Um, the difference is, is that the Democratic party, when it comes to having any vision on protecting abortion rights or, uh, you know, making, it easier to be an immigrant in this country

or any fucking issue that they pretend to support they have no vision they have no grand plan for any of it it's just kind of like this guy has a gun this guy has a gun he's going to shoot that immigrant you really want to vote for that guy and it's like

you're not going to inspire people by just being like well that guy's scary you're trying to win an election you need to get people to vote for you it's that simple bro it's that fucking simple it kind of reminds me of this quote from a clip from the Hillary Clinton campaign from 2016 when she was running against Trump yeah RIP so it she wasn't directly running against Trump yet she was running against Bernie and you know of course the Democrats don't

exist in the end to defeat Republicans. They exist to block actual progressive movements from access to political power. They're really good at that. That's the one thing where they can always get it done if it means stopping a leftist. When we were talking before

about being radicalized, that's what radicalized me. It was the party. Yeah. Well, because she's like literally on stage and you can look it up. I think breaking points just re-aired the clip too because it went viral because now Republicans are the party of becoming the party of identity politics now with their DEI crap.

Yeah. But anyways, she says either I can essentially, and I'm paraphrasing here, I can take it to the banks, reel them in with regulations, but is that going to solve racism? Is that, is that going to protect women's rights? You can, I should have sent, I should have, I should have, I should have sent you the clip before, but I totally forgot. But anyways, it, uh, it was on the most recent episode of breaking points. And I remember that because I was like, well, why can't you do both?

Yeah. Why is it? And also, how dare you fucking pit them against each other? I was just about to say it was the 90s, but we were just talking about 2016. Yeah. Oh, no. 90s never ended, dude. Democratic Party's been stuck in the 90s in fucking 1992.

Since Clinton, they really have been stuck in the 90s. Yes. They have a fucking Janexer's version. version of what a liberal, you know, politician should be and sound like. And the truth of it is, is that it's inauthentic as shit and everyone can see through it. You know, I think, um, like that's why people, you know, when when people talked about not liking Kamala Harris. And, and this was something that I saw in 2020 when she was running in the primary and like she left early, even though she raised the most.

money of any candidate early on. She immediately got millions of dollars. I wonder why. And for the people who are wondering why. I was just going to say, I'm wondering why. It's because of the fact that she is openly pro getting lobbyist money, Wall Street money, like high-end donors for her thing has always been. There's plenty of people out here willing to pay me money. to support the issues they want me to support. And I'm going to do that. Whereas, like, in 2020, Bernie, when he was running again, his big thing was, I will not take a single corporate dollar. I will not take a single Wall Street dollar.

And then Kamala was like, well, I will and watch me earn all this money. And what did it get her? She was out of that primary fucking faster than, like, faster than Howard Schultz. Like she was faster than fucking Amy Klobuchar. She left early because people, honestly, they were just like, yeah, she sounds fake. Yeah, but she got in, she had a brat summer, and then she got out, like, that's girl boss. Yeah, she's girl boss. And you know what?

She was leaning in and we're all, we're all happy. Leaning in. We're all happy that she slayed. before we continue we do need to take a quick commercial break but please everyone stick around because we will be a right back

and we're back this is Bad Hasbar World's Most Moral podcast we are here with Greg and Maggie so I wanted to read a little bit of an article about this the NBC News

recently put out this article regarding the way in which Democrats are feeling a little bit of anger towards the left and pro-Palestinian movement, specifically the uncommitted movement. And I want to read some of this for you guys. So from NBC News, uncommitted leaders, stand by 2024 strategy after Trump floats Gaza takeover. Trump's remarks, and they're referring to the remarks about, you know, occupying Gaza and doing ethnic cleansing, which came as a shock to prominent officials in Washington, sparked a new round of recriminations among Democrats over the pressure campaign from advocacy groups against Biden and Harris in the presidential contest over the Israel-Hamas war, even though Trump's record on the Middle East had been

more hostile to the Palestinian cause. In what fucking way? I'm sorry But like this article goes like a few times This sentence needs an editor though Well this sentence is doing a lot of heavy lifting So sparked a new round of recriminations amongst Democrats over the Now this is where it gets weird Pressure campaign from advocacy groups against Biden and Harris

In the presidential contest over the Israel Hamas war Just say, recriminations amongst Democrats over the anti-genocide, anti-apartheid protests that were breaking out all over the country that were urging Biden and Harris to please stop funding a genocide. That's what that sentence should be. But instead, it needs to, it can't say genocide. So it just says, oh, those advocacy groups were just against Biden and Harris for no reason other than they were. mad. Well, there was a reason. The Israel Hamas War, which is definitely what we're going

to be calling it, as wars often look like genocides. You know, like that is, it's just completely insane. You know, it makes them sound like hobbyists and God forbid people have hobbies. Yeah. Hating Biden. Let people have hobbies.

Even though Trump's record on the Middle East had been more hostile to the Palestinian cause, I'm sorry, but like you cannot claim that after 15 months, of indiscriminate bombing and literally tens of thousands, if not more, children killed a genocide live streamed on TikTok while Israeli soldiers tore through the clothing of dead Palestinian women and wore their dresses and gloated over their graves. And you're just like, yeah, but Trump's record has been pretty hostile, if not more so,

to the Palestinian cause. Remember when he moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Right. That was crazy. That was crazy. And the truth of it is, he's a Zionist through and true, or at least he is a useful idiot for Zionists. I don't know if he has any actual beliefs in anything.

I do think that he likes Israel because he also hates Arabs. But, you know, like, are you really going to compare the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem to probably over 100, thousand dead in a year. Fuck you. So Leila, Ella Bede, a co-chair of the uncommitted national movement, which declined to endorse Harris, Trump, or any candidate in 2024, said she felt, quote, sad, angry and scared for our communities after the president's Tuesday remarks in which he also said Palestinians have no alternative but to live elsewhere. She maintained that both sides were to blame. Quote, Harris left the vacuum by not

visiting Michigan families impacted by U.S. applied bombs to help create a permission structure for their trust while Trump visited Dearborn and filled a community in despair with lies. She continues Trump's illegal calls

for ethnic cleansing are horrific, but as on so many other issues, Democrats had a chance to persuade voters. They were the better alternative, and they blew it. Her comment didn't sit well with some Democrats. And from here on out in this article, the, I love this because it's like every single person who is part of any of the movements that were like in solidarity with Palestine or pro-Palestine movements, they're all given, you know, their names.

Literally everyone else who's talking shit are all anonymous. This is actually one of the worst pieces of journalism, journalism I've seen recently. This is psychotic. It's psychotic. So now we get how this comment didn't sit well with some Democrats. Quote, deeply unsurious people who want to shirk their responsibility. Clowns, a former Harris aide granted anonymity to speak candidly said in response. I love it.

I would have taken it more seriously if he just said the emoji. Yeah, right, exactly. Just the clown. You know that's what he put. You know it was he put. He put two clown emojis and the person's like, I'm just going to write clowns out. Other Democrats said that

the pro-Palestinian activists own the consequences of helping Trump, even if they didn't endorse him by mobilizing voters to reject the only viable alternative quote, leaders of the uncommitted movement want to blame everyone but themselves

for their disastrous strategy that helped elect Donald Trump said Adam Gentleson, a former Democratic Leadership Aid and recent chief of staff to John Fetterman. Oh, our big boy, our big

boy with the Bumbo-Clat. They told people not to vote for Democrats and now Trump is threatening to annex Gaza. It was obvious all along that this would be what happened if Trump won, but uncommitted chose to ignore this crystal clear reality

and plow ahead with a deeply irresponsible strategy. They should be held accountable to the people they misled. I'm sorry, but You are a recent chief of staff to John Fetterman, who has done nothing for the past 15 months by being like, I don't know, I think we should probably kill more of the children. Yeah. Secretly pretending like he doesn't also, isn't also all about the annexing of Gaza. Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck.

This guy is a monster. Wasn't he just with Netanyahu or who was it? Oh, no, no. Yeah, he was. Actually, the only time he actually got out of sweatshorts was when Netanyahu came to the Capitol. And he was in full genocide formal. He was in genocide formal. Adam says,

Federman can only be scared by an old-timey monster torch. That's true. That's true. He's only scared of fire. Fire, bad. Because he looks like Frankenstein. We're having fun, folks.

So, yeah, this is like an insane thing for someone named Adam Gentleson to say. The fact that he's worked with this fucking monster fetterman who's done nothing but, like, support the indiscriminate killing of children, being like, see, see, this is what, this is what you get. It's even, it's even more rich, seeing that, you know, now Fetterman is making overtures to become a Republican now. Is he? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Like, this is, this is like, it's, I mean, of course, it's all in bad faith and it's all ridiculous, but I mean, Jesus Christ, this to come from Fetterman's camp, are you kidding me? While it's impossible to pin down exactly how much the movement affected the outcome of the 2024 election, that doesn't mean we can't blame the Palestinians. There are signs that the vocal criticisms from some advocates had an impact at turning Democratic-leaning voters away from Harris. The city with the largest Arab population, of course, we're going to get into this. Dearborn, Michigan voted for Trump by around 2,600 votes in November after backing Biden more than 17. 1,500 votes four years earlier. I wonder what the difference was.

I wonder what the fucking difference. Was it that you ignored Dearborn entirely? Or was it that you were doing genocide for 15 months? Also, like, 2,600 votes in a national election is real chump change. So they're really trying to milk this article. And it's absurd. Thanks NBC. Oh, I love it.

I love it. Liberal media. I love it. The uncommitted movement declined to endorse Biden or Harris when she took over as a Democratic presidential nominee. It did not endorse Trump or another candidate either. That position continues to be agonizing for Biden and Harris Aids, who sought to persuade uncommitted in other similar groups after Israel's aggressive response to October 7th. Hamazatek, that Trump would be much worse for their cause.

Unlike Biden, for instance, Trump has not. committed to backing a two-state solution. Good point, guys. Yeah, you got us. You freaking got us. Yeah, that's true. You know, you've changed my mind. I'm so sorry. Thank you. You're right. If we had gotten Harris, we could have gotten us two-state solution. We know that. If there's one thing Kamala Harris was going to do in four years of presidency, it was due the two-state solution. She was going to turn this entire franchise around. It is so funny. At this point, the two-state solution is such a fucking punchline because it literally only exists to give cover for people who want what the Israelis want, which is to do a fucking, you know, annexation and fucking ethnic cleansing and genocide.

It's all it exists for. It exists so people can say that they have a conscience when it comes to this stuff. stuff. That is it. And I just wanted to bring up the warning. Like, we knew this was going to happen under, no matter who was elected. We saw early on the Hebrew flyers going out about developing the Gaza Strip. I mean, we knew it was there the whole time. The whole time we were screaming about this.

And, you know, the thing about, like, Israeli plans, especially from a military sense, is like, they've had every plan they've activated has been on the drawing board for over a decade, at least. Yeah, yeah. They just pull it out of the cabinet and be like, we're just going to use this and update it slightly. Yes, I mean, you see that constantly with their Hezbara when you're just like, what?

None of these talking points makes sense. And it's like, oh, we're using our 06 talking points. And then it's like, these are the same ones. These are all the same fucking talking points. Quote, even if Trump was hostile to Palestinians, they needed to punish Biden and Harris, said a former Biden official who spoke, to pro-Palestinian movement figures.

I warn them that the only people they'd be punishing by helping elect someone who wants to turn Gaza into a parking lot are the people they claim to be helping. You know, Trump only wants to turn Gaza into a parking lot. He didn't actually do it. That was the guy before him. Yes, and it's fucking crazy. It's crazy to have so much cognitive dissonance

that you're like, you know, everything that Trump says is what will soon come to be. Everything that Biden and Harris did, well, what can you do? I mean, they did their best. Like, fuck you. It's so crazy. Like, you have to take responsibility. And instead they're like, no, what if we do a whole article where we say, no, you take responsibility? But this is why the party is doomed.

Yes. Yeah. There's no recovery. another another clip went did the rounds on social media was hakeem jeffreys speaking at a press press conference saying like what do you want us to do you know they own the house they own you know they own the white house they own the supreme court it's their government it's like oh okay cool guys yeah and it's like yeah we know we know we know you're impudent and so to the voters and to be honest which is why we didn't vote for you yeah and the thing is it's like the

amount of people I know personally and this is of course anecdotal who were like talking about this constantly talking about the this genocide and how it's on Biden how it's on Harris um who still ended up voting for Kamala is a large amount of people and the reason is is because if you're talking about people who are plugged into politics uh for the most part votes are like those people are going to vote. Those people are not going to stay home for the most part. You have to try really hard. You have to fuck up a lot for people to consciously stay home. And the truth of it is they didn't lose because of those conscious stay home voters or third party voters. They lost because the people that they were going after were people who were going to vote for Trump no matter

what and everyone else and people who were not inspired to vote yes oh my god well you know there's a there's a clip from chuck schumer if you from c-span if you um google chuck schumer appealing to conservative voters uh during the hillary campaign he uh he basically says you know what we who we will lose he was talking to a sea span about this who what we will lose as blue-collar democratic voters will gain two of suburban center right conservative voters. Didn't work in 2016.

They tried it again. And it sure as shit didn't work this time. Hey, you got to get back on that horse. You know what I mean? Get on that horse track again. That's what I say. You know, this ain't my first rodeo. This is my second one. And I keep fucking losing rodeos. The warnings didn't work.

It was striking was God, this is how he speaks. It was striking was that there It just wasn't recognition of the real life and death stakes. There was no editor on this at all. Yeah, there's no editor. Yeah, well, the editor, you know, was murdered by the idea. Said the official who was granted anonymity to speak candidly.

Everyone respected that there was grief and pain. But how do you ignore being told countless times? Here's a direct quote of Trump saying he wants Gaza leveled. Yeah, it's really hard to ignore that quote. Again, this comes back to the... It's easier to ignore the deaths of family in Gaza, harder to ignore that quote. That makes sense.

This just comes back to my original point. It's the same foreign policy, just Democrats don't say the egregious part out loud. Right, exactly. And to them, it's the saying of it that is the sin. That's it. Even inside the Harris campaign, there was dissent about whether she needed to take a more aggressive stance for Gaza.

A Harris organizer who worked with youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order. When they sent out a mass volunteer or fundraising email, the people replied by asking, and the people replied about asking about Gaza, they were told to market as a no response. The result, they seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue. Hmm. Quote, we also didn't create a new category for Gaza responses out of fear that that that category would be leaked. Instead, we were told to mark them as no response, said the organizer, faulting Top Harris campaign leaders for failing to address the issue. The only clowns out there

are those who were in senior leadership and decided to abdicate on this issue, who silenced a Palestinian speaker at the DNC and who told us to ignore it every time a voter asked us about Gaza. I mean, it's fucking like, it's, It's just so clear that when they are talking about it's all projection. It's all them projecting their own responsibility and their own failures onto, you know, people who were speaking out about this. It's like it's as clear as day that they were like banking on a strategy of non-engagement when it came to this issue and believing no one actually cares that much. It's just a lot of loud kids. It's gaslighting 101.

Gaslighting 101. It's also the... They gaslit themselves, too, which is amazing. I mean... They did. They did. No one cares about this. We're not getting any emails about it.

It's like, no, it's since you were said, you don't want to read them. Just say it three times real fast in the mirror. But it's just the Democratic Party. You know, they're always against every war, except the current one. and they're always against every crime in retrospect. So, like they were so- Every injustice, every civil rights movement they love except for the one that's happening. So Joe Biden last year was speaking at like Indigenous People's Memorial Day

and it was disrupted by pro-Palestine protesters. And then every liberal in the comments were like, these people are so disgusting. They have no respect for a genocide that happened 200 years ago. Yeah, they have no respect for the genocide. that we do care about now, but that we would have supported had we been alive then. No respect, no respect at all. And then Waleed Shahid said this. This is one of the organizers of the uncommitted movement. Democratic Party elites find it easier to punch down on grieving Palestinian

families in Michigan, desperate for a basic shift in their party's policy than to challenge decisions made by Biden and Harris. But this is why Democrats lose. They don't listen to voters they sneer at them which is absolutely true um i myself was getting a few i got a few like tweets and dms from people in the last few days um who were just like uh so are you happy now you talked about this for the last 15 months and you know you talked about all the issues uh you know with the you know the genocide quote unquote is this what you wanted Was it worth it? And I feel like I do need to address this whole thing.

In terms of like Biden, you know, losing, Harris losing, I just want to say I did it. It was me. I was the one who cost Kamala the election. And not just by voicing my distaste for, you know, U.S. support of Israel. But, you know, that was public, right? So that was, but in private, behind the scenes, I was sabotaging the campaign in different ways.

It was me who told Biden not to drop out and that his brain was fine, all so that he could do a debate with Trump and be humiliated, leading him to eventually drop out months later. Just before the DNC convention, as it turns out, it was me who said, hey, Kamala, you make sure that whatever you do, whatever you do, do not distinguish yourself

from Biden in any way. You know, I convinced her that all the internal polling data that said Biden is deeply unliked and would lose in a landslide was fake news. It was me. I'm the one who did that. And I said, hey, remember to push the exact same policies. People love the policies, especially the ones in the Middle East. Those are their favorite.

Behind the scenes, I told campaign staffers just ignore the entire young demographic. You know, they don't vote. Fuck them. And I said, instead, go after Republicans who are fed up with Trump. Sure, most of those Republicans have the exact same values as Trump and love his policies, but there's a couple. There's a couple of them who just find him distasteful, and that should make up for every single Arab, Muslim, young person, Latino, and person of color. In fact, I was the one who told her, have you thought about getting the Cheney endorsement? People love the Cheney family.

It's everyone's favorite American family. it was i matt leave who said forget a mass political movement of people donating five to ten dollars like the one that bernie sanders had you'll make way more money from the israel gas weapons manufacturer lobby and from wall street and it was me who said take that money and put it into getting your face on the sphere for four hundred and fifty thousand dollars a day i did it it was me I did it I did him guilty I'm charged Oh it's our favorite It's Dave Matthews

We love him We're bringing him back It was me guys I'm so I personally need to apologize I think now that we're being honest And that I get to feel like we're both We're both going to

Commit Sepuku after this episode In atonement for what we did I actually went a little crazy on election night and burned a bunch of mail-in ballot boxes. And then at the 11th hour, I spoke to my contacts in the Harris campaign. And I was like, you need one more endorsement. You need to get some sort of cunning woman in there

and do a seance. So you get the endorsement of Henry Kissinger's shrieking ghost. Yes. Get the Kissinger ghost. If they just listened to me and they could have got Kissinger to endorse her, I think everything would have been better and saved. And that's another reason why I'm going to commit Sepuku after this episode. So you can hang out with Henry?

So I can hang out with Henry and be like, I'm sorry, man, I tried to get you at the DNC. I tried to listen. Yeah. But on the plus side, hell sure is fun. I love hanging out in hell with my bestie Kissinger. oh my god yeah it is it is uh it's what they want what they want is for every single person uh who voiced any distaste or displeasure with uh the policies of the biden harris administration to be like to shoulder the blame for what was the loss of

of their politician i mean that's it your politician's supposed to win the votes and i'm sorry But from the beginning, my entire thing has not been about being against Democrats for the sake of hating Democrats. It has always been about straight up right, straight up wrong. And if you're doing something fucking wrong, the idea that you should shut up about it because of the fact that, well, you know, this other candidate is worse. It's like, yeah. And if they win, which they will, if you keep this up, things. will get worse. And a lot of things could get worse, including Palestine. I mean, no one, no one serious had any like doubt or had any other thought that Trump would like, no one knew he wasn't going to go out

and be pro-Palestine. It was fucking bullshit. It was just, it was just like, what is, what does it mean to be pro-Palestine if you're silent while 100,000 people are bombed to death? Like, what do you mean you're pro-Palestine? I don't think any serious person, like people, in the pro-Palestine movement or any activism, whether it's like Stop Cop City, climate activism, I could like name a dozen other movements, is going to be like politically uninformed. So if you're on the Palestinian issue,

you knew that Trump took $100 million from Miriam Adelson, the billionaire Zionist mob boss, whose only reason to live is to annex the West Bank and to Judea and Sumaria. And so we knew that was going to happen. So no one's like, Trump's going to be better. It's this narrative that they've constructed out of nothing that actually doesn't exist or have any basis.

Because we're all dumb college kids that aren't educated. Right. Exactly. We don't know anything. Our blue hair dies messing with our brain frequency waves. No, it's usually my tattoos have messed with my brain. I get that a lot. She's hot but stupid.

Those tattoos must have messed with her brain. I love it. If winning a Pulitzer is your brain being messed with, then no tattoo you is a fucking, like, Stephen Hawking. Jesus Christ. It is so insane to see this narrative like continue, but it just

goes to show that no matter what the Democrats are going to refuse to like learn anything from this. And I think that watching, as Adam said, the country being stripped for copper wire due to fucking Trump's

psychopathic ass being president and working with Elon Musk who is a fucking Nazi Afrikaner like you're just like watching this and you go like you know

the Democrats really shouldn't continue this line of like but why are we going to do because at this point you all you're doing is you're just allowing it to happen and you clearly don't give a fuck they know they know that they know that

they know that they're just going to keep spinning it keep gaslighting and you know it's not going to look the same as it did in 1930s germany but they're going to do what the also the liberal media did they you know they kind of did this tacit resistance yeah blame the communists blame the communists blame like white boy leftists so Bernie bros yeah yeah Bernie bros and white boy leftists and then they are going to fold in with the fascists and toe the line and in the DNC donor class which Now we're kind of seeing like the oligarchs assemble around the Republican Party and then the Fortune 500 donor class still toe the line with the DNC. But because, you know, they all serve the interests of their own capital, just like in any other burgeoning fascist society, they are going to, when the time comes and things get dangerous for them in order to protect what they're doing, they're just going to join forces with everybody else.

Yes. yeah yeah completely and and i think it's uh it's crystal clear that like at the end of the day when it comes to who are your allies uh when you are a democratic party politician or consultant or fucking whatever the you can't ally with the left because fundamentally the left is against uh the very system the very economic system that is keeping you uh rich and so if it means siding with fascists even if you have to do a little bit of racism sexism you know a little bit of uh you know uh transphobic panic uh a little bit of nazism it's okay because the alternative is someone uh you know who didn't earn health care getting health care these fucking people

are psychopaths and committed capitalists and they're going to all ruin the planet and And then they're going to ship off to Mars and they're, you know, SpaceX, whatever. And we're all just left to decide. It's not, it's not their fault. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to boil the seas. That's right. Yes. And you know what?

The hotter the sea gets, the more green I get. And if anyone on the left wants to fucking talk shit, just know it's actually your fault. Once again. I like it because he's also a South African singer. Yeah, it's just apartheid and ties and whatnot. Dave Matthews is cool, though. He's very pro-Palestine. Very pro-Palestine, yeah.

I saw a video of him, like, you know, saying some really nice words, and he almost made me cry. And I was like, you know what? I should probably give his music a try. I've tried. You didn't grow up with it in the 90s? You know, I just one of those guys who like missed it. And, you know, there's like a few songs that I think are amazing.

But it's all the songs that people who love Dave Matthews band think I'm a pussy for like. Oh, like the hits. Yeah. I like space between us. That's great. That's a great one. That's a great song.

I think I missed it because just where I was growing up, I always associated it with like Dave Matthews with hacky sack. And I wasn't about that life So I just never got into it Greg was a big big bro Yeah yeah yeah I understand He was more lacrosse less has he sack I feel like uh you know

In my neck of the woods Those are one in the same except for there's not It's not lacrosse we don't have the lacrosse La Crosse is something that I feel like You only see on the East Coast Yeah It's like an East Coast thing

Do you need to have a horse to do lacrosse? That's polo that's a whole different level of posh though dude polo crazy he was almost there he like towed the line yeah yeah dude you got to get a horse i know out here looking like a peasant you're like a peasant throwing a ball around on your feet have you tried a horse and a mallet got to get a horse Greg should tell you about his first matzabal soup oh please Greg you've had matzaballs yes i've had many matzaballs tell me about your first real one oh yeah we we went to uh like a deli in a jewish deli in new york totally not problematic at all we decided to just not be anti-semitic

and go into jewish establishments that's very good of you to not be anti-semitic for at least 20 minutes to eat soup we try and you know you walk in and we we missed the big israeli flag if you don't look at it then it's okay no we just had a we had a larry david moment missed it Had a great time. But we got the brisket, we got some Google, some matzabas. Oh, wonderful, wonderful. Listen, you know, I, uh, he's learned what he's learned what a yenta is, what a Maziza is. He's, Gray's learning all the cultural things.

I love that eventually, eventually you're going to be like, you know what, Zionism's not so bad. Just have another Motsubal soup So it starts with a Matsubal He's one Motsubal away He won Motsubal away Listen, the wonderful thing about Jewish culture

You know Eastern European Jewish cultures Specifically is how much it's resented In Israel And how, you know, at the end of the day They look at that as like Oh no, that's Motsabal soup is a weak Jew food We need strong Jew food,

aka Kus-Kus, Palestinian food. Yeah, exactly. Kuskuz and Italian pizza, because we came up with that too. We came up with Kuskuz, we came up with Italian pizza. Whatever I'm craving at the moment, we did that. That's us. And our absolute best-invented Israeli cuisine, Chinese food.

Before we get out of here, you mentioned it at the top of the show that there was this halftime show that happened. Kendrick Lamar came out and basically danced on Drake's grave, which was just beautiful. I loved it so much. Has anyone heard from Drake? At this point, he's still under the covers, I imagine.

He's just hiding. I think he's done. I would be. I mean, the dude went on fucking national television on the Super Bowl and said, hey, Drake, I hear you like him young. I mean, he got the whole stadium to say a minor. It was great. So the performance was a lot of fun.

I enjoyed it a lot. And then after the performance, I saw some footage. There was a pro-Palestine protester who was with the crew, kind of, you know, the people who are out there who are also dancing and whatnot. I don't know what you call that. He was a backup dancer. Backup dancer. Yeah. Or like backup hype man.

Yeah. And there was a bunch of them out there and they were waving all different, you know, flags and whatnot. And he pulled out a combination Palestinian and Sudan flag, which was super cool, super badass. I have a picture of it here. And he, of course, was tackled. And, you know, he was led off the stage. I wish I had seen it during the actual, you know, Super Bowl, but it was cool seeing the footage after the fact.

He did an interview with Al Jazeera, and I want to play it because it's just, you know, after an hour and a half of, like, being filled with rage, it's always good to get a little bit of positivity. So let me play that for you guys right here. That's your cutie. I felt I didn't have a choice, because I was selected to be a part of the halftime show.

And I saw when I saw what my position was, you know, it was a great stage, a large stage. And we know as a practice in Muslim, my prophet Bahamah teaches us, if you see a wrongdoing or you're aware of a wrongdoing, you must stop it with your hands. And if you can't stop it with your hands, stop it with your tongue.

Speak out against it. And if you can't stop it with your tongue, try to stop it with your heart, meaning pray about it. And we know that's the weakest of faith. So I had an opportunity on a grand scale to bring awareness or speak out against some of wrong of our Muslim brothers and sisters because we know if one part of the body is hurting, all of the body is hurting.

This ooma is one body. Yeah, in response to your protest, the NFL says you'll now be banned for life from all NFL stadiums, from all events. What's your response to the ban? And would you still have done it if you'd known the risks? The risk of a ban? I was afraid I was going to get sniped by Secret Service's bullet. I can watch a football program on the television if I choose to say.

And I don't like large crowds anyway. Okay. All right. Zul, Kane, Nantumba. Really good to get your thoughts. Oh. That was my first thought. I'm like, how did they not snipe that guy? Like, for real. I love it.

He's like a band. Like, like you, fuck. I thought I was going to die. Yeah. Or like a felony? crazy well they they tried they tried to hit him with something but they couldn't so they had to yeah well that's uh because allah got his back uh and uh yeah it just i i love that i love that guy and i love um you know the way he points out that it's like if you can't stop it with your hands

you stop it with your tongue and if you can't stop it with your tongue uh you know stop it through prayer and also that is the weakest form so i do like that he said that i love that that he's like you know keeping it real like uh you could pray all you want but if you have the power to do anything whether it's speak it or use your hands to stop it then you should fucking do it and i think that is a beautiful thing shout out to zool um there is no dana only zool he's truly the hero well i guess there was luigi was luigi last year or this year yeah louisci is he's so 2024 oh okay he's so 2024 we're having they've definitely tried to bury him also sweet Ghostbuster reference he just made. I caught it.

Yeah. There is no Dana. Only Zul. Yeah. I love... Yeah, but I guess like one thing. One more thing about the performance, I'll just say this. Nobody signed to Universal Records is going to say anything about Palestine or Sudan or the Congo because who controls that?

Heim Saban. The same dude who crafted Biden's policy and who has a lot of business contacts in the Congo. So, um, I think that was the most revolutionary thing that happened there. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, completely. I mean, you know, it is, uh, it's, I think the, watching Kendrick's performance, I will say this. Like, uh, in terms of politics, um, it is, it is hard for me to take, um, any Super Bowl, uh, appearance, half time show appearance as like any kind of grand political. So, like, and I, credit where credit is due to Kendrick, he did decide to make the Super Bowl halftime show about how much we all hate Drake, which I was like, that's beautiful. I'm okay with that as long as, you know, he wasn't doing the Beyonce, you know, shout out to Black Panthers thing.

Well, it was also more meaningful. I mean, I have a lot to say about him. Yeah. I mean, Kendrick is fucking Kendrick. He is the goat. I love Kendrick. And I will say that like when it comes to like his political, you know, music, it is fantastic. I don't necessarily expect him to be the one who goes out on a limb and says like, this is going to be the Super Bowl in which I try to free Palestine. Which is also not his thing though. I mean, it also can't be because. yeah the same reason DJ Khaled won't say anything the same way Drake won't say anything because they're all part of that label but anyways like Super Bowl performances have to be like approved you know they there you do rehearsals for weeks before it's under scrutiny not just by the record label it's under scrutiny by the NFL as well so nothing's nothing's going to come of that but

I did think you managed to sneak in a bunch of like good stuff but I guess my my favorite part was like all these fucking all these like maga dudes were complaining about like oh like oh is this diversity it's like dude you're waging a war on DEI and you're mad that there's only like one type of person there yeah also they're like I couldn't even understand what he was saying yeah I know they're all just saying they're old and white I love that yeah yeah it's like you couldn't understand what he's saying meanwhile they've got like a playlist of like pearl jam like cute of a I like it better when my music

is incomprehensible but also very white like no these fucking people do nothing but tell on themselves when they're just like half of the you know on Twitter at least half of the comments about the Super Bowl we're like this seems really black

and I didn't understand it and is this music and it's like guys this is 1991 racism yes and it's not for you it's not for them like I think so much of what is being missed is like first of all I want to speak for the whole serena Williams part because that was that was great um as a woman and and what was done to her and what has been done to her in the industry I don't know if you were aware of this but um in 2012 at Wimbledon she did Crip Walk after she She won and she was called classless and basically like every kind of ghetto racist thing you could say. They told her she had to apologize. Apologize for crippling. And so to Kendrick's credit again, but also I want to point out that black women are the most hated people in this country. Black women are, there are statistics about how black women are just the bottom in this country.

Next to Missina women and Arab women. But for Serena Williams to have that platform, to get up there and be able to do that and say, fuck everyone. I'm going to crib walk in front of the top athletes in this country. And I am the top of the top was just so important to women and to see, to little girls to see that when she quip walk when she won. And these little girls are watching that.

You know, it's really important. And I thought also like, again, when it comes to trying to, you know, trying to dive deep into what the political meanings are behind, you know, different things within a Super Bowl performance. Like someone, I think, tweeted something like, you're trying to dive into a shallow pool, which is why I thought the stuff like, which is why I loved the Serena Williams Crip walking thing because I was just like,

oh, no, this is political in all the aspects. that you pointed out but also personal in that it's like fuck all y'all do you know how much shit I got for this for doing a dance after I won fuck you and and there's something uh universal and beautiful about that type of spite you know because it's righteous spite I love right of spite I always tell him I'm like hate literally drives me maybe it's like I don't know if it's hate or spite oh canary mission got a quote now hate literally drives me. But just like the haters, right? Like, I only am or I and because people who told me I couldn't fucking do it. So I did it. And so, like, I just seeing her that, and I'm not a black woman. I'm

not a black little girl, you know, like, I can't imagine what that means to see that. Yeah. Of her, um, what's it called? Redemption. Yeah. Yeah. Completely. And it's, it's fun to, uh, when you're going to, you know, uh, dunk on your haters. Doing it with a crip walk as has been proven by this feud, this rap deep is beautiful. I just want to like play that on repeat. It's just great. There's nothing that says fuck you haters, I won more than cripp walking on their grave. And we, I hope to someday Crip walk on top of Israel's grave.

Well, actually, there is a shot of her. You could see the flag in the background. Oh, really? Oh, she's crib walking. You can see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. I got a new phone background.

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