Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 86: Do You Condemn Hasan? with Hasan Piker
Episode Date: February 20, 2025Daniel returns to join Matt and long-awaited guest Hasan Piker to ask whether Hasan is the left-wing Joe Rogan, how he fumbled the “anti-semite of the year” bag, and whether it’s still too soon ...to let Spain off the hook for the inquisition.Please donate to Gaza Great Minds: gazagreatminds.org/donate/Come see Matt Lieb and Francesca Fiorentini do stand up in Los Angeles at the Ice House on February 19th https://www.showclix.com/event/the-ice-house-new-world-disorder-02-19-25-7-30-pmAlso Matt and Francesca will be at the Sacramento Punch Line on March 16th! Buy tickets now! livemu.sc/4jS1qKfJoin Hasan every day at 11 AM PST at twitch.tv/HASANABISubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5RDvo87OzNLA78UH82MI55Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-hasbara-the-worlds-most-moral-podcast/id1721813926Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy
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org do it now do you ever get tired of doing these ad reads you do you ever wish i would pitch in
once every now and then and describe one of our sponsors i actually never thought about that before
but now that you mentioned it that would be sick yeah you should do that i'll think about it i mean
i'm finally kind of getting good at reading them i don't know really good actually i didn't even
have to take a break during that i didn't have to like there was not a moment in which i started
breaking out in a cold sweat due to having to read aloud no and i actually believed that you believed
in it which was shocking i do believe i believe we all believe but yes next time you read it
daniel what's the spin well matt the spin has been suspended today we have something else
well i no spin today no spin we're not spinning anything we need to we need to unspin something actually
you and me oh shit so will you meet me in the break room please
please. Okay.
About Hezboa break room.
All right, let's go.
All right.
Welcome Matt, Matthew L.
Yes, hi.
All right.
As a fellow...
Mr. Mate.
As a fellow severance fan, I feel you may have some sense of what's happening here.
We just have something we need you to clear up for the listeners.
Sure.
I forward it to you if you would call up the document, the question.
Okay.
You got it.
Oh.
really speaking of really believing in your words really being sincere we're going to have you
really deliver there's just a message that I think you you want to tell the people oh sure
so I'd like you to read this as if you wrote it because in your heart you did okay let's see
I Matthew L have knowingly fibbed and confabulated about Daniel Mates neither parts
Neither. No, no, no, no, no, nether.
Nether, like my nether regions, you know.
I'm breaking out in sweat.
Why don't you start again, Matt?
It's okay.
I, Matthew L, have knowingly fibbed and confabulated about Daniel Mates' nether parts.
And only in me will the stain of those outlandish fictions live on.
Rather than face my vulnerable emotions around abandonment, emotions triggered by my most moral co-host, sudden yet authorized absence,
I reverted to the Ashkenazi comedian's first and only resort.
Sexual perversion offered up as light entertainment.
My Baroque tale of another man's penile detachment and rectal perforation was, in truth,
a displacement of my own ancestral wounds, possibly Holocaust trauma.
Matt, would you like to start that sentence again with a little less mirth?
I'm sorry, no mirth.
The broke tale of another man's penile detachment and rectal perforation was, in truth,
a displacement of my own ancestral wounds,
possibly Holocaust trauma.
In suggesting that Daniels' genital provinces are in anything but exemplary working
and full working order and full shining integrity,
I deceived our most moral listeners, yes,
but most importantly, I lied to myself.
All I can be is sorry, and that is all I am.
well I'm afraid you don't mean it I'm just glad you said it once I am sorry all I can be is sorry
Daniel's penis and anus are fine I was I was just trying to think of a reason why he would
miss this wonderful podcast and I didn't want to reveal his secret location which was that
he was on vacation with his beautiful beautiful girlfriend did you know that people would be
DMing me asking how my penis and anus are did you think
about what that would be like for me?
I forget people listen to this shit.
Half the time I'm doing this, I'm just like,
oh, this is for a Facebook group I joined in 2015.
Yeah.
And now I've started realizing that people listen
and I probably shouldn't always revert to, you know,
the Ashkenazi comedian's lowest hanging fruit,
sexual perversion.
I would read it again, but.
This is too big of an episode.
We have a big, exciting guest, a tall, a tall man, a strong man, a good man.
I have actually his bio right here.
Luckily, the internet was really good at giving me a bio to read about our next guest.
So I'll just take it straight from the horse's mouth.
Let's see.
Our next guest defended Hamas terrorists after the 10-7s7s.
Massacre. Denied documented atrocities, including mass and murder profits while violating Twitch's
own community guidelines and uses his massive platform to amplify anti-Semitic propaganda.
He is one of the 10 nominees for Stop Antisemitism.com's Antisemite of the Year Award. Ladies and
gentlemen and everyone else, welcome finally to the pod, Hassan Piker.
I cannot believe that you would start off with one of my biggest L's of 2020.
You didn't win?
No, I lost.
In the clutch, she didn't come through.
I lost the Candace Owens.
Candace Owens.
You just had to hit me right where it hurts.
You know what's fucked up about that too is that's just DEI for serious.
That's what I'm saying.
They just did DEI.
They were like, listen, we've been getting a lot of flack for.
not enough black representation in our anti-Semite of the year category, we need to do it. And
so, yeah. It also just goes to show, like, Kraft is just really not appreciated anymore. Like,
anyone can do the anti-Semitism she does. Yeah, yeah. You come out, you start, like,
scratching your, your chin about the Talmud, you know. Yeah. Well, why Jews wear the hat? What's
underneath it? Is it a gun to kill Christians? That's just easy. But yours, which is conveyed
telepathically and subliminally and subcutaneously through nothing that you actually say but just
clearly your vibes yes is an art man no it's it's always we take our our skull caps off to you
i'm trying to i'm trying to play anti-semitism on like extreme difficulty by like consistently talking
about you know anti-semitic dog whistles things of that nature yeah so that people are more aware of
it and then you know that's how i get my rocks off yeah because i'm secretly
anti-Semitic and it's much it's much better for me when everyone else is like woke about that
sort of stuff yes exactly it's harder it's yeah it's kind of like a a great comedian always finds the
line and then like is able to kind of like you know push a little bit over it a great anti-Semite is
able to say literally nothing anti-Semitic ever and in fact do work towards combating anti-Semitism
and yet still, you know, just whip up pogroms wherever he goes.
Yeah, it's, it's just genius.
For stopping activism, I think it's like really hard.
This year was really hard because like I think she obviously, you know,
has a lot of Islamophobic opinions.
Yes.
This is crazy woman.
It's just also one crazy Long Island lady.
Like that's what's so wild about it.
Like it looks like a serious organization that, you know,
tweets like a like a psychopath but yeah it's just like one insane suburban uh housewife from long
island who has just created this like mass doxing operation i know it's it is wild that like she
invented her own lives of tic talk and it's just for very specifically just for finding whoever
usually it's whoever the most vulnerable person is like a college student or like somebody who uh
works a 9 to 5 job at a corporate office who said something like, hey, I'm thinking of wearing a
kofia today. And then just, it's, it's wild. And people think it's a real organization because
she was able to get the domain name stops. And she didn't even really get it. She got a dot org.
Yeah. But that makes it more legit because it's an organization. That's more legitimate.
Yeah, democracy now is an org, right? I mean, that's true. So there's that, but also like she has
conflicting values, obviously. Like, she does not care by it seems, but like she's also,
it's always like a two competing interests on her mind where she's like, well, I do hate black
people. And I do also hate that, well, this one's Muslim. Yeah. And so it was probably a tough
choice. It was probably tough. It had to be hard. In fact, it must have been really hard because she
did actually go with a real anti-Semite. Yeah, I know. She didn't just go with like someone who is
you know, simply just anti-Israel.
Yeah.
It was almost like,
it was like credit where credit is due,
you know,
of the year,
I don't know,
but definitely unanty-Semite of the year,
Candice Owens.
I mean,
she's not,
she wasn't wrong about like two of the choices.
It was like Dan Blitzerian and Candice Owens.
But the rest of it was,
was just like you and fucking,
I don't,
Greta Thunberg.
Which was crazy.
Was Francesca Albanese on the list?
Probably?
I don't know.
I think they had like a like an Instagram infographic account.
They just simply says like don't kill children.
They're like, this is the most anti-semitting thing you've ever said.
I'm going to find you and kill you for saying that.
And then the other one was a Bossam Yusuf, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Boston was on there.
Yeah.
and yeah some of the top anti-Semites he was also heartbroken and yeah it's nice to know and I think now we've had two of the 10 anti-Semites of the year 2024 on this podcast we're hoping for Greta and we're hoping for whichever you know which I don't think kids would come on here because you are Jewish I feel like she would literally like no I'm not going into this hostile territory you're going to do mind powers
to her. I would love it.
Hassan, you
first of all, thank you for coming on this podcast.
Long time coming. People have been
demanding it. People have been
yelling at me
as if
you not coming on was
like a choice.
Literally, everybody watching right now
don't let Matt lie to you.
It was because of Matt.
I just wasn't sure
if, you know, first of all,
You're Turkish, am I right?
Yeah, he was like runner up for anti-seller out of the year.
I don't want that fucking piece of shit.
Oh, no.
Number one only.
Yeah, I only want the winners on.
Yeah.
And yeah, no, it was interesting seeing the amount of like people who were like,
this is getting ridiculous.
When are you going to have Hassan on?
As if we are in the same house and we're just roommates avoiding each other.
what is what is your experience uh you're a streamer you know you do streams um you what is your
relationship with uh the the chat is it uh are they like um uh are they how parasocial does it get
for you because if they're they're parasocial for me and i i'm not i'm just someone who is who exists
you like what is that like for you oh it gets real it gets very personal
or social for sure and oftentimes it's also antagonistic as well so they they yell at me all the time
as well yeah like why aren't you going on bad house bro which is to be fair more apt it's it's
appropriate for them to yell at me over it if we're going to be honest because i've been saying i was
going to come on for like a year and a half now yeah but no it was it was uh you know serendipitous
we're able to to make the timing work out you you are uh you know someone who streamed
a lot, which I'm going to be honest with you. I don't watch streams. I watch
clipies of streams. So I've seen many of your clips. And, you know, one of the reasons,
obviously, that I was excited to have you on is because you've also been an incredibly
vocal supporter of Palestine, not just post-October 7th, but long before that. And I feel like
you actually have a lot in common with Palestinians in a lot of different ways, except for you have
one thing over them, which is that while Palestinians have never been, they've been threatened
with like nuclear, you know, annihilation, you actually have been nuked by a Zionist.
But his name is Ethan. That is a picture he took of when he's the first person in history
the first human being to be personally nuked.
Yeah.
It's crazy the amount of institutions that go after you.
And I think this is a difference between you and some of our other guests.
I mean, we obviously have had guests who have been attacked by, you know, stop antisemitism.org.
I mean, anyone can, you know, or Canary Mission.
But it seems like the ADL going after you, that's when I was like, Dan, they, you know, this is like,
They're really trying to take down Hassan.
And I have noticed that one of the things that seems to create haters for Hassan is your ability to remain cogent in conversation about things you believe in.
And I'm wondering is like, how much of it is personal?
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know how much of it is like envy or whatever.
Right.
And I think, I mean, I've talked about this before,
but I think a big part of it is quite literally that as content creators,
we're all pretty narcissistic.
And that as narcissistic people, myself included,
I think it's hard sometimes to assume responsibility for your own actions.
Sure.
Especially when there's like a pretty layered, pretty heavy.
amount of social conditioning on a particular geopolitical matter right that you know you're
associated with personally that creates this interesting uh interesting feedback for you that you did not
foresee you would get so instead of maybe reanalyzing your statements and why people are
saying, hey, this is kind of weird. You sound like someone who is defending Israel. Maybe you
should reconsider your stance here. Oftentimes, a lot of people, I think, have a tendency to double
down and be like, no, no, no, it's other people's nascent anti-Semitism that I'm going to
unearth that is responsible for why people think I'm as onus. And not because I said Jewish
voice for peace or capos or whatever, you know, or say stuff.
like, oh, are you a sex worker? Hamas would throw you off of a building in a heartbeat,
which is like, okay, at that point, you're like, what are you, Dick Cheney?
You know what I mean?
That's like shit that people used to say for the entirety of the war on terror, you know?
Liberals and also Republicans alike.
So, of course, if you have cultivated a progressive community, they're going to be like,
we've heard this before, but not from you, but from others with, like, right-wing positions.
Right.
Well, I heard this in on Fox News.
I heard them all at the Democratic National Convention this year.
Or I heard about it on Fox in 2006.
Like that's, I think the big surprise, at least for me, has been people's, like, people kind of regurgitating war on terror era level shit, where you're just like, this is Hasbara that we use to justify going into Iraq and doing the entire war on terror.
How are we just trying to, like, we're trying to shine that turd again and make that, you know, new Hasbara for 20, 25?
Because it worked back then, and it's not like people ever learn the fundamental lessons of these things.
They just remember to change their story about that particular discrete historical event, but in terms of the pattern that it represents or the ways that it might generalize to write fucking now because nothing ever changed.
And now you've got Cheney's, you know, trying to sell Democrats to a,
to a split nation and
Democrats thinking that's a good
solution. I think that's, you're on to something
there too because it's also the fact
that Democrats
adopted these positions
in response to
the war on terror.
Yeah, it became a free for all. It's like here,
have some xenophobia.
Yeah, there's no leadership there who's like
telling you like, hey, we're against this. There was like
small Obama era
time where it was like, hey,
we're not going to talk about radical Islam
terrorism all the time. And then that
quickly ended. And now every Democrat
says it. Yeah.
There is a lot of, there's a lot of militancy,
which ironically enough
caused the Democrats to lose the election
to a guy who at least, you know,
understood that he should lie
to people about how he's a peaceful dove.
Yeah. That was so, what's so crazy about this entire
process of like, the Democrats
lost to a guy who did the Muslim
ban, who assassinated
Qasem Soleimani, who
threw away probably
one of Obama's
only good foreign policy
achievements, which was the
Iran den utilization agreement and like
normalization with Iran.
And then,
you know,
the Democrats lost to
that guy again.
Yeah. It is
crazy.
I mean,
This time around it was even more insane because it was so obvious that they were, you know, could lose because it was the exact same playbook as 2016 that I kind of thought they were on some like four dimensional chess shit where I was like maybe they know something. I don't know, man. Like maybe I'm out of touch, which I think is interesting because it kind of led to you like people even more so starting to take your.
um you know to take you even more serious like you were able to like you went on like crooked media
for the first time on on uh what's his name john one of the john's shows i love it yeah and
i had you know what's interesting about that i was actually on crooked media before i was
oh yeah so i had done an episode a couple months before the election uh where i talked to john favro
initially and i always think we're talking about the guy from swingers different guy no different
John Lovett and John Favreau.
Different guys, different Johns.
John Lovett is the guy who, you know,
he was in the wedding singer.
He's also a different John.
Oh, shit.
Okay.
Those guys should start a podcast.
Yeah, they're both Obama's speechwriters.
That's right.
They're both Obama's speech writers.
Yeah, the Pod Jones.
The Pod Johns, yes.
So I had been on with one of the Pod Johns a couple months prior
where we kind of had a little bit of back and forth
about like, you know,
Deerborn is.
Israel and the like. And virtually all of the things that I warned about on that episode ended up, you know, happening. And the Democrats lost for those reasons. And then we did this after the election as well. And it was shocking for a couple reasons. One, because like so much of the audience was incredibly receptive to what I had to say. Yes. Yes. But it's only shocking because that means that they had not heard this perspective before. And I don't.
understand what your media diet looks like that you haven't even accidentally arrived at any of these
conclusions and it feels like there was there is definitely a crisis of not to come across like a reaction
but like an echo chamber situation going on with mainstream liberal outlets that well it's what chomsky
always said they've ingested a kind of enzyme that allows them to like derive absolutely no
nutrition from these things they can hear them but it just passes through them they have all the ideological
filters they need so that even what you're saying wouldn't be intelligible to them.
They can hear the words, but it goes in one ear and out the other, even when their own audience
who have not been leached and bleached of all common sense and moral consistency, you know,
are able to see it.
But will there be a positive takeaway from any of those lessons that they heard?
I don't think so.
Oh, there's such good lesson learners, those guys.
Yeah, I just, it doesn't seem like it.
I think like
there was like
10 different like
Hassan Piker
is the Joe Rogan of the left
style articles that came out
immediately after the election
including on CNN
simultaneous with the
we need a Joe Rogan of the left
yeah no that's what I'm saying
like it was in that wave of like
we need to find a Joe Rogan of the left
and Sam Piker might be the Joe Rogan of the left
and it was interesting because like
I kept repeating the point over and over again
I was like you can't podcast your way out of this problem
you need to change the policies right
like the Democratic Party
certainly has a messaging problem, but it also most significantly has a policy problem
where they don't offer any policy prescriptions and they seemingly stand for nothing.
And I think it was very illuminating that I believe it was, I forget which show it was on,
but Ken Martin, who is now the DNC head, was interviewed right after my snippet.
And right after that snippet where I'm talking about like how it's not about podcasts or whatever,
and he goes, I agree with Assam Piker.
He's right.
And also, here's why we needed Joe Rogan at the left.
He literally, it was so, it was such a funny mom.
I was like, what?
But like, it's the enzyme, baby.
It was just shocking to me that he just heard the things that I said
that directly contradicted exactly what he said in the aftermath.
Yeah, that's amazing.
It just enzyme in action where they go, yeah, that's true.
but also what I think is true and here's what it's yeah we need someone out there who will tell us
that we don't need someone out there yeah we need someone will tell us to our face yeah that
we don't need you see that's why we need you we need you Hassan we need someone to say that we don't
need you yeah I think they I think that there's genuinely a lot of people in DC that are
allergic to uh changing anything uh at all yeah and that they they truly think that like if I don't know
like the paw johns looked more like me and like weight lifted more we gotta put it we gotta put
that harry sisson on t r t rt pronto you know you look too twinkish hairy we gotta get you yeah we got
to get you on some anabolic steroids okay got to get you jacked yeah we got to get you fucking
brawick and make you wear like designer shit so yeah get david hog on gear immediately yeah and and then
and then it's over you know true then then everything will be solved and it's like
That's not even a piece of the puzzle.
Yeah.
You're just off the puzzle board.
You're off the table.
Not for nothing, though.
It was kind of shocking, looking at you next to John Lovett.
Because I guess I'd only ever heard his voice.
And I'd never seen him before.
And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, he doesn't have to go full Hassan, but he could get a tan.
Maybe, I don't know.
That was your takeaway.
You're like, you get him on TRT ASAT.
ASAP. I'm watching
this with my dick out. I'm not
trying to like learn things. I'm just
trying to get horny over here. That's what
most people do when they're watching me. They
type in with one hand. I'm typing with one hand
baby. Yeah, that's, I go in the chat and write
lull, I don't know, half of the things
sometimes I go. Take your shirt off.
I go into that chat. It's like
speaking another language. I'm too old for this
shit. So
let's get into some
bad Hasbara. I want
to start off with um i want to start with a video uh that i found um on the uh on the old school uh
facebook group at bad as barra which i i went on recently and uh this is um dennis prager um my favorite
so he's he's alive he's alive oh i know didn't he like almost die recently and people were like
please keep dennis prager in your hearts and i was like i'm praying oh yeah you have no
idea how deep in the heart.
Yeah, that's the problem, though, when when motherfuckers like us pray, it doesn't work.
I know, I know.
It sucks.
It's like every time one of these motherfuckers doesn't die, I'm just like, see, there's no God.
But this is Dennis Prager, who went on some Chud's fucking podcast and was asked about,
why are the Jews so successful?
And I just, yeah, it was just.
One of those things where you're watching what is essentially an anti-Semitic question,
and Dennis Prager turns it around and makes it anti-black.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, here it is.
Okay, that's a cool one.
Before we start, can I ask?
Oh, my God, this is my favorite, this is my favorite not Israeli person that I thought was Israeli for the longest time.
Wait, who is this guy?
but david oh that's patrick bet david that's the most israeli coded name he's not is that's his
name he's not his name is patrick bet david uh and and if you've ever watched he's value attainment
he's one of my favorite characters me and felix love this guy uh he is i believe
assyrian okay and and iran like he's for his famous from iran is he christian uh is he christian uh
I think he might be.
I'm not sure.
I think he probably is.
He's not Israeli.
He's just named like one.
That's fine.
That's fine.
No, he always,
I got some deep lore on this guy.
He's,
he always says like,
two of my parents,
they always argue.
The one is,
he also sounds kind of Israeli too.
It's funny.
No,
that was a good person.
David.
It's crazy.
He's not Israeli.
But,
he says like his mom or dad it was a Mossadegh supporter and then and then the other one was
a Shah supporter and boy what a crazy family yeah yeah he's like I'm used I know this I know how
it is I mean he of course rides for the Shah so of course he does he's a monarchist yeah of course
he's classic I love it what one question I have for you is Dennis Prager Jewish
I think, but at this point, who the fuck knows?
He's got to be.
He is.
He is.
He has to be.
I always thought he was Christian.
I don't know why he just-
I thought Prager you was one of these Christian colleges, no?
Yeah.
I thought Dennis Prager was always like an evangelical Christian, actually.
I'm 99.9% sure he is Jewish.
Oh, no, he's not.
He's not.
He was, wait, I was raised as a Catholic with your belief.
What the-
Wait, no. Wait, what?
Never mind.
No, no.
Producer Adam has it for us.
I'll read what he has provided.
Okay, please.
Because producer Adam never finds false slop.
Dennis Prager was born in Brooklyn to Hilda, nay, Friedfeld.
And Max Prager, the latter the son of Polish Jewish immigrants, Prager, and his brother, Kenneth Prager, were raised in a modern Jewish Orthodox home.
Am I crazy?
Doesn't he strike you as like an evangelical pastor?
there. A hundred percent. I mean, I, he's got evangelical pastor vibes. I, I, I just always assume he was
Jewish, uh, because of the fact that, because he's a media. Yeah, yeah, because you know how,
you know, because he controls the media. Yeah, no, listen, hey, we would never say anything like
that on this podcast. Funnily enough, these guys would, uh, and let's go with it. Why is it years
later? After a crisis like that, what values and principles
helped Jews
pretty much on Hollywood
do well in business.
I'm sorry.
I love asking Dennis Frager
earnestly.
What is it about Jews
that make them so good
at, you know, being greedy
and owning the media?
Why do you guys own Hollywood?
Not me.
Not Patrick, but David.
No, not me.
I'm not Jewish.
One of the things I've always appreciated
about you is the way you dominate
every aspect of my life.
from behind the shadowy curtain.
What makes you so good at wrapping your tentacles
around the world like an octopus?
Given that you don't even eat octopus?
Yes.
They have it all.
They have it all on on valutainment.
They got this opinion.
And then they also have like overtly rabid anti-Semites as well.
Yeah, I love it.
They represent the full spectrum of anti-semitism.
I love it.
This is a, I'm going to have to start.
watching this guy. I need to support my, you know, fellow Israelis. Do well in life. Oh, I'll tell
you, I have the answer for it. They didn't see themselves as victims. It is the most paralyzing
thing in black life what the left is doing to black. The left hates you blacks. No, they don't
hate you. They have contempt for you. I'm sorry, I love, I love someone who earnestly says the blacks
telling telling them someone else hates you and has contempt for you. Not just the blacks, but
He addresses them as, they hate you, blacks.
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, hey, blacks.
But the question was about Jewish people.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
He's thought about this a lot, but why are we so much better than, you know, looking around the American landscape and being like, why am I so smug and satisfied and have every need taken care of?
And while my neighbors do not, hmm, let me really ruminate and contemplate this question.
Nothing says, I am white more than this.
You know, there's nothing, there's nothing, there's no, like, if you want to know who the Jews of America are, it's so clear, you know, it's just, it is just anti-blackness to immediately be like, why are we so good?
Well, because these other fucks don't understand things like good culture, eating fish or whatever the fuck.
So, of all things to appeal to, we are, we refuse to be victims.
We refuse to speak about ourselves as victims.
We refuse to see ourselves as victims.
We refuse to highlight foreground or center our eternal victimhood.
It's really.
Incredible.
It's an incredible statement to make, especially considering all of the content we have coming
after this.
But let's, let's keep going.
Tell us, tell us more.
If those blacks, blacks, if you want to see an example of picking yourselves of
No self-pity.
Yeah, no self-pity.
Just moving, just moving through trauma and overcoming.
Look what we created.
Look, come to the U.S. Holocaust Museum, okay?
That's an example of an exciting startup business with a forward-looking mission, right?
And it's just all about self-respect.
Yes, there's nothing less self-pitying than a Jewish-American.
I'll tell you, I have the answer for it.
They didn't see themselves as victims.
It's the most powerful.
It's a paralyzing thing in black life what the left is doing to blacks.
The left hates you blacks, just the, no, they don't hate you, they have contempt for you.
Telling you're a victim is paralyzing.
Jews did not walk around thinking their victims even after the Holocaust.
Why not?
Because they knew it is completely self-destructive.
How did they know?
I don't know.
Well, maybe because of the Jewish tradition has always been,
we take responsibility for our own suffering.
So why wouldn't the media try to target the Jews to make them feel victims?
victims how come hold on pause pause i need to i need to i need to unpack that as they say
there's a lot going on you're you're pausing in right before this because we control it
yeah oh yeah oh yeah make no mistake that is what's coming wait shut off i was just joking
get the fuck out of here well it's it's implied but go on go on i mean he's saying
we refuse to be victims i think he's talking about the period after the holocaust when jews just
Dissociated.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
It's true.
People deeply in their trauma.
In deeply in their trauma, deeply trauma, you know, behind closed doors,
traumatizing an entire new generation of young first generation, second generation Jewish kids
here in North America, right?
Passing on a whole lot of fucked up psychological shit in the Jewish world in North America.
Sure.
Right.
And then it explodes in 1967.
And ever since then, now we're the eternal victims.
but while we're flexing our fucking arms and stomping on another people.
Now we can be proud of it.
Now we've processed it.
We've processed it through what?
The greatest steroid of all, victory.
Damn.
I love it.
The media doesn't have contempt for Jews.
It has contempt for blacks.
Why not?
Why not?
Because the left has contempt for blacks.
Because they use them.
They don't use Jews.
Why can't they use Jews?
If they can use any sect, they would go.
Okay, wait.
Well, Patrick is like, come on.
Say it.
Yeah, yeah.
Why don't they?
Why don't they have contemporary Jews because they own it, right?
Prager is going to, he's not going to directly say this,
but he's instead going to say something else.
Because they use them.
They don't use Jews.
Why can't they use Jews?
If they can't use any sect, they would do it.
So why can't they use Jews?
Well, Jews are, I mean, Jews are disproportionately on the left.
I mean, there's no way around it.
So in effect, there's no need.
to keep.
They already have them in a sense, yes.
So by the transit of principle,
Jews overwhelmingly have contempt for blacks.
Yeah, that's exactly what he did.
Yes, because he was saying, like,
it's the left.
The left has contempt for blacks.
And, you know, and he's like,
and also Jews are overwhelmingly on the left
and, you know, in the media.
So it is the Jews in the media who he just said
by the transitive property
that the Jews in the media
are whipping up the hatred for blacks.
How do you like that?
arrive at Adolf Hitler
in 2025, like, he's
like, you know, Judeo-Bolshevism.
They're doing moral degeneracy
by dominating the arts, these leftist
Jews.
It's crazy
to be relitigating that.
As a Zionist,
as a Jewish, you're just like, well, you know,
we all know about Judeo-Bulsivism
and we do know them as a
fifth column.
and they do try to subvert the homes.
We're trying to do moral degenrecy
and undermine the Western civilization, which is superior.
I'm just saying there's some art that is bad.
Yeah.
I do want to point out something.
So I typed into Google, Dennis Prager Christian, okay?
And I went to the videos tab.
And the first video that popped up was,
why isn't Dennis Prager a Christian?
Fireside Chat, Prager, You.
And the subtitle is,
Dennis gets asked this question almost every day.
Jesus is on his ass constantly about it in the chat.
What the fuck?
He's walking down the street or is it his wife?
Yeah.
His wife is just like, come on.
One of his seven wives.
That's true.
Yeah.
Many wives.
I don't know if you guys know, Dennis is a prolific writer.
Yes.
When a woman isn't in the mood, part one.
Oh, yeah.
Or who could forget when a woman isn't in the mood part two.
That's right.
He wrote a follow up.
Really?
Both are, uh, basically a treatise. Uh, yeah, pamphlets. Yeah, he was, yeah, he bought the, the, the, the Ford paper, fourth newspaper. It's right.
But is that an anti-semitism? He's talking about raping your wife and how it's permissible.
What to do when she's not in the mood. Well, what is it her business if she's in the mood or not?
Yeah. Um, yeah. So he, uh, you know, he made a lot of good points there, um, you know, uh, you know, uh,
It's that the blacks are bad and that the Jews are smart and good.
And not self-pitying, which is, as we all know on this podcast, it's very true.
We never pity.
But I'm still hung up on that, right?
We take response, not just we never pity ourselves, we take responsibility for our suffering.
Okay, I think I know what he's referring to in Jewish tradition.
I'm not a big student of Jewish scripture, but you look at something.
like the Passover Seder, it is very possible to have a reading of the Passover Seder where it's
like we were not spiritually prepared to not be slaves, right? And then when we were freed and we were in
the desert, why are we in the desert for 40 years? Because we're a stiff-necked people. And we
wouldn't accept God and we needed to work shit out of our system. So there is somewhere in our
tradition, like a capacity to like look at the bad shit that happened to us and then take
God's admonition. Don't fucking complain about it. Actually take a look at how can you purify yourselves.
how can you become more worthy of a promised land,
whether that's a geographic thing or just a spiritual thing, right?
Right.
But like, Zionism is the end of that.
I mean, has there been any like, wow,
how did we end up as hostages in tunnels
in a place called Gaza that's walled in?
Like, how did those tunnels get there?
How did our people end up, how did they end up
starved and emaciated in those tunnels?
Yeah, yeah.
No, there's any self-reflection that I think
we have had if as a, as a monoeuvre
If we are ever, you know, which of course we're not, everyone's got a different personality.
But as a monolith, any self-reflection we may have had in scripture is, yeah, it ended around
1948.
I mean, we have especially, you know, even with American Jews, which I think is the big shame
from the last like 16 months is watching people who before October 7th were like,
for all intents and purposes like normal uh as far as i could normal passing uh like all the
sudden lose whatever it is in people's brains that makes themselves reflect and kind of like
think about cause and effect and and take themselves out of the equation to talk about something
especially that's happening thousands of miles away completely gone it was just like no why are they
in the tunnels because people hate us why do people hate us well because people have always hated us
And how are you going to say that and fucking claim that?
I mean, you know, that we don't see ourselves as victims.
That's a fucking insane thing to hold both of those things at the same time.
It is, yeah, you know.
But hey, maybe I'm just being a bitch and seeing myself as a victim.
In fact, I would say we've been very industrious with our victimology.
We've turned it into an industry.
That's right.
exactly we have
the you know that's we're good at business
fuck yeah
right his son
I'm not saying anything
I don't know what you guys are talking about
can I get a walla
can I get a 500 yards there
because I'm thinking of all of the clips
that are gonna arrive
they're gonna get so viral
oh my God all of the funniest
all of the funniest things
I'm gonna hear for like the next week
is gonna be shit like
people who are like very clearly
both Islamophobic and anti-Semitic.
Yeah, proud racist.
Yeah, you goddamn sand monkey.
Yeah, like, you hate the Jews, but not in a way that I hate them.
I hate them better than you do.
And also, why aren't you banned yet for promoting terrorism and being anti-Semitic?
You're going to get morally scolded by Hitler was right, 1488.
No, that's always funny.
Look at him just sitting there agreeing with these two Jews who are telling us what it really is.
Podcasts.
Why don't you love?
Do you agree?
It's always
great. The contradictions are
hilarious. I don't
know. I mean, look, I think
it doesn't this
basically inform a lot of
Israeli culture as well, like the Holocaust trauma
or the reception of it
overall, or even all
the way down to how
mistreatment of Holocaust survivors
in Israel
has like factored in this equation where it's like there's a lot of historical revisionism from
what I understand in terms of like what happened during the Holocaust like oh the Jews were
weak and feeble and that's why they got that's why they got killed in the Holocaust and we can
never be like that and and we are strong Israel is strong and militant and muscular and love techno
music and they went like lambs to the slaughter next time we'll go like factory farmers
Which is like a falsehood.
Like that's not even correct.
So it's such a weird way to mythologize something so traumatic across the board.
Yeah.
So yeah, definitely not a healthy trauma response overall in terms of like societal attitudes
towards just a horrifying instance in history.
Yeah.
But I think that's a lot of where that stems from.
Or I think a lot of why like I when I talk to.
friends of mine that have noticeably had like an attitude shift post October 7 I think that's where
it comes from is just like the social conditioning and how much it's baked into your learning and
everyday existence and culture overall and how um I feel like a lot of American Jews are very
secular for the most part right like they're not they're not very religious uh and and that
uh Zionism I think has become this like cool marketable version of the
religion that you can point to.
And there's obviously tremendous amounts of consent that was manufactured for Israel
being the most moral nation and the best democracy, the only democracy in the Middle
East and yada, yada, yada, for decades that you just kind of took for granted.
And therefore, I think it was like a interesting moment for a lot of people where they
were like, did everything I learn about this place?
was all of it wrong?
Unfortunately, if more and more people are having the bandwidth to say, yeah, maybe.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I feel like I'm partially responsible for a lot of the younger Jews, at least in my community,
getting that recognition, which is part of the reason why I think to, you know, circle back
to what you were saying about institutions coming after me.
I think that's the real reason why the ADL is up my asshole on a daily fucking basis.
Yeah.
Because from the ADL's perspective, like, no young Jewish kid is watching Candace Owens go.
The Talmud is the reason why you, you know, you devil horn hiding, Jews or doing Israel genocide.
Right.
That's a very easy position to undermine if you're Jewish or if you just have any fucking brain cells whatsoever.
You'd be like, yeah, that person is fucking anti-Semitic.
That's why they're saying, that's why they're anti-Israel.
They're using Israel to be anti-Semitic.
And there's some truth to that as well.
But someone like myself who very obviously isn't anti-Semitic,
but is anti-Israel on the moral grounds that I think apartheid is unconscionable
and genocide is unacceptable, that is a real problem.
Because all of a sudden now you have young people who have confided in me in the past,
who maybe look to get political analysis from someone like myself,
who, you know, and they understand that I have.
created a safe space against anti-Semitism for a decade plus at this point in my
community it's going to be it's going to be very difficult for them to hear this respond to it
and then go back home and then fucking have to debate their parents all the time so yeah well to
recapitulate a sort of tv reference i made off the top of the show right you're you're reintegrating
people yeah the the the severance procedure that zionism puts people through right
puts young Jews through, which requires them to split their ethnic, national, belonging,
tribal identity from their more general humanistic moral sense.
It actually requires a kind of severance.
Yeah.
And it creates this in and out world.
And, I mean, Finkelstein wrote, you know, a fellow friend of you and Mr. Botticelli,
uh, uh, Mr. Vanelli, uh, wrote a book 15 years ago called Knowing Too Much, The Coming Too Much,
the coming American Jewish breakup with Israel,
just saying that the tension between those two things
is going to be too extreme, right?
To bear.
And then someone comes along into the breach like you
who does offer people a place of safety and belonging.
Like, fucking, I've rolled my eyes
at like, you know, internet communities and stuff
because I'm old or whatever.
But what you're doing is real
and actually creating a space where people feel safe.
Well, that's the antithesis of any space
in which people are going to look for a reason to be nationalistic, genocidal maniacs.
If it's actually safe to be a Jew among young fellow Americans of your generation and your peer group,
why do you need some foreign country and some flag to pay fealty to that's going to protect you from, like, right?
Yeah.
So you're giving people this kind of.
Yeah, also because that's the other side of it, right?
Like, you're American.
Like, you're not, what the fuck?
You're not Israeli.
Like, that's why.
And overwhelmingly white, too.
Yeah.
But that's what's also so frustrating about this argument because it's like, like, there is
obviously increased anti-Semitism.
I don't mean like in the ADL version where it's like, oh, I saw the free parking
sign.
But like, of course, there's definitely a lot of increased anti-Semitism, many of which
coming from ADL's favorite character, Elon Musk's own platform that is supercharged of this sort
of stuff.
there's like a Hitler ad the other day on the platform.
Like they purchased an ad that is pro Adolf Hitler on Twitter.
Wait, Hitler?
Yeah.
What is he selling AI?
He's selling himself.
Yeah.
It's a great book.
You're going to read my book.
It's like I have a plan for Europe that everyone should really think about.
Yeah.
Hitler now more than ever.
So there's that stuff, right?
And then also the consistent association with like all of the.
awful violence that basically everyone can see on social media being weirdly positively
associated with Israel as though it's like a like or not associated with Israel sorry
associated with Jewish Jewish people yeah as though this is like a like an inherent
Jewish trait to fucking murder children yeah and and and that's the therein lies the
problem because if you're a dude from like Arkansas then you've never been around
Jewish people and you know the memes, right? Like you have like a little bit of nascent anti-Semitism
that, where you're like, oh, there are cultural ismosis at the very least. You probably learn it
from a Jewish joke told by a comedian who was doing it ironically. And then you hear Jake Tapper be like,
no, this is if you say Israel killing children is bad, then you're an anti-Semis. He's going to be like,
what the fuck? Maybe they do control the media. What the fuck is going on here? Like what?
Okay, am I anti-Semitic now?
Well, it's the same response to wokeism, right?
Don't tell me not to think for myself on pain of being labeled a bigot.
Okay, fine, I'll be that bigot.
Yeah, yeah.
There's definitely an element of that.
So that's the problem.
When people say, like, no, every American Jew is a Zionist, you're doing a fucking dual loyalty trope.
100%.
It's like it's a woke dual loyalty trope.
Yes.
It's crazy.
The amount of cognitive dissonance is it's like,
crazy to see it like there was one recently so i i believe it was like j fredge and some other organizations
got together they put out an ad in what maybe it was in new york times i'm not sure um that said jews fight
back uh it's or sorry no it says uh jews say no to ethnic cleansing signed by you know 400 rabbis
and you know so other and boots riley and my dad actually was it was a signatory oh for real
yeah i found out later they fucking never asked my dad
I just want to point that out
that's kind of unfair
this motherfucker
he used to be a scientist
then he was a sandwich shop owner
and then he was a high school teacher
and then he sold meth
no but so it was like
immediately
immediately after this was
you know put out
the Hasbarian machine went into action
and it was all just like people like
Googling all of the rabbis to
check their Jewish credentials
to see how Jewish they were
and there was one
account that wrote something that is just
incredible that I have to share with you guys
right now. So it is
this account is called Jews Fight Back
and
Oh, that's the guy that
sent to Richie Torres some of my
clips. Oh, for real? Yeah, Richie
Torres quote retweeted the Jews
Fight Back account to be like
we have to ban
this progressive
we have to ban
one of the only progressive
political commentators on an otherwise
insanely hostile media landscape.
Yes.
A week before the election that he was also running in.
That was what he was worried about.
I love it.
Five days before the election, it blew my mind.
Anyway, sorry, go on.
Thank you, Jews Fight Back for supporting Richie Torres, Israel's own representative in the Bronx.
So he, Jews Fight Back wrote, the so-called 350 rabbis.
opposing the expulsion of Gossens is a nationwide list not just New York.
So first and foremost, just so you know, this is just a small portion of Jews.
It's a mishmash of fringe voices.
It's a mishmash.
What could be more Jewish than that?
Yeah, a mishmash is very Jewish.
It's a bistle from here, a bistle from here.
Yeah, and bistle from here.
From all 50 states, many of whom have zero connection to an actual synagogue.
Every name I looked up, no congregation, no real community, just self-refermed.
reclaimed rabbis whose expertise seems to be in woke activism, not Judaism. Oh, by the way,
none of this is true. The idea that, like, there are rabbis on that list who I know personally
who have congregation, so, uh, and who are part of the community. As opposed to, you know,
my favorite defender of Israel, the rabbi with a congregation, Rabbi Shmooley. Rabbi Shmooley,
the most congregated rabbi of all time. There's one guy, one thing he's known for. Author of
minion in your mouth.
Yeah, exactly.
My daughter built a
gullum, you can fuck.
I feel like they've packed
them up a little bit, don't you?
Like, he's not, he's not around
as much. Like, I think, I think
Hotsver's getting a little bit better because they were like,
our only guys are Jeffrey
Epstein's best friend, Alan Dershowitz.
Yeah, right. Fucking rabbi
Schmuli, who is like
breeding anti-Semitism
every time he is on
TV. He exists. He's spreading it like a fucking STD. And then shy Davide, who's like famous for harassing
college campus protesters and then, uh, and then crying about it. Like front camera videos about
himself crying. Yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like the, uh, additional 150 million dollars that went
into, uh, Hasbara for the, uh, 20, 25, uh, year is not going to schmuli anymore.
Yeah. No, they, yeah, it's going to sex pestin.
Yeah, it's going to sex pestony. They're going to get him.
That guy. Thank God. Thank God. That's our guy.
Yeah. Now it's all going to the lawsuits.
So to continue, also, 350 is a minuscule amount when you consider the scale of American jewelry.
Meanwhile, actual rabbis with real congregations are too busy supporting Israel or will sign some ridiculous statement defending terrorists.
This is a classic PR stunt by the same crowd that thinks Judaism is just another wing of progressive activism.
They don't speak for us.
Now, just for a moment.
They are not like us.
They are not like us.
They are not like us.
Consider what he's saying they are not like.
He's saying, no, most Jews say yes to ethnic cleansing.
Imagine the cognitive dissonance you have to have to see Jews say no to ethnic cleansing
and not have the beginning of your tweet be, first of all, it's not ethnic.
Yeah, it's not ethnic cleansing.
You'd figure he would start there
But no, instead he says
Opposing the expulsion of Gossens
He's admitting
Right, but actually
What he's asserting is even funnier than that
He's saying, you know what, if you really knew Jews
If you really knew Jews, okay, you know
that to be a Jew, a true Jew
is to be silent on ethnic cleansing
That's right.
We don't say yes to it, but we sure as hell don't say no to it.
No, loudly and proudly in support of it.
He's like, I don't know these guys.
Well, all the Jews I know love ethnic cleansing.
All the Jews I know say yes to ethnic cleansing.
We could also take out an ad.
It would take up the whole paper with how many Jews.
It's pretty much every Jew.
Do you know how much danger that puts Jews in in America
when you are just boldly stating that Jews are a monolith that support ethnic cleansing?
Are you fucking kidding me with talking about it?
How can you even say the way?
words anti-semitism at someone else when you were saying that shit i think the bible takes
no position on ethnic cleansing yeah that's right uh i feel like there is this like weird situation
where for the first like five years of now my decade long media career i consistently had to
explain to people that like no isis is not islam right yeah yeah yeah and it's weird
It's weird to see, like, prominent voices in media be like, as a Jew, Israel does represent Jews.
I know.
It's literally like if, you know, prominent Muslim figures in the American Muslim community were coming out and be like, you don't understand.
Isis is doing like culturally relevant things.
Isis is the true defender of Islam and we love what they're doing.
Yeah. That is fucking crazy. That is fucking crazy. Yeah, it is essentially just American, like, American Jewish celebrities, like people with careers who continue to have careers by just being like, Israeli ISIS, sign me up.
It's insane. I was, I was reading something about like Mayor Kahan, friend of the show.
Yeah, friend of the show, Meyer Kahn, yeah, yeah, yeah.
turn to the show about like the the advent of never again is a slogan and like how he utilized it which was literally never again for just us like just just Jews right and now I'm seeing like liberal Zionist accounts being like no no never again just means just for Jews yeah yeah just like an insane I feel like it's an insane paradigm shift and it's also probably not good for future generations
to like develop with this consciousness because then you have other you have I think it was
David Shore who came out with this study in between his Mali parties that he was doing and
tanking the Democratic Party so that fascists could win he came out with this study about like
anti-Semitic opinions among like the American youth and it's like literally insanely high
in comparison to every other generation yeah and it wasn't even and I looked into it
immediately I was like, oh, is this like one of those, what do you think about Israel?
Right. Of course. And, you know, they're conflating the two. But no, it was literally like,
do you have a favorable opinion of Jews? And like a lot of young people have an unfavorable
opinion of Jews. And I think it is directly a consequence of the constant association of
Judaism, the false association between Judaism and Israel. Yeah. Yeah. And Judaism and a kind of
loud browbeating victimhood to back to you know contra denis preger's point like a kind of like
like lording it over the world that we suffered in this way and never again will we be on that side
of the suffering ledger you know if anyone suffers it's going to be the ones who are suffering at
our hands you're never going to do it to us and we all think this and we all think this yeah it is
it is nuts because uh you know you i i have to admit that like when i see that coming from young
people especially young people of color like uh it used to be my initial response to that was like
hey you know this is you know i don't care who you are you should probably try to unlearn your
biases but now i'm just like yeah i know you're actually kind of only believing what you've been told
And at this point, like, I can't really fully blame you because people are taking out, people are tweeting out, no, we do believe in ethnic cleansing.
And like, and those people have institutional muscle behind them and we'll get like, quote tweeted by a fucking sitting congressman from the Bronx.
So at this point, I don't blame them as much as I blame the, like, I don't blame the kids.
as much as I blame the Zionist institutions
actively spreading anti-Semitism.
It's crazy.
And what also, obviously,
uh,
some of these people fail to consider is that like,
anti-Semitism is a real issue.
And it is a canary in the coal mine of fascism.
Like, I, I believe that.
Like, that's not even though now it's associated with a canary mission.
Yeah, I know.
Which is fucking insane.
Like a rampant doxing operation.
by rabid Islamophobic racist psychopaths.
Yes.
It's the Canary Mission in the coal mine.
They get fucking Knesset grants too simultaneously to do doxing operations in the United States of America.
Yeah.
But also, like, because it's a real problem and because, yes, Jews are a minority at the end of the day,
there's not that many of you guys, like, I do legitimately worry that the, like, I guess I don't
have the same level of confidence that, like, Zion is.
have in terms of like no no no they'll never betray us the the gentiles will never turn around
and be like no actually we should pack these guys up now now that we're done now that we're done
with whatever other kind of fascist domination that we were engaging in like you guys are next
they didn't used to always say america is a nation built on judeo christian values that is an advent
of the post uh war on terror propaganda yeah that was you know 20 years ago nobody was
saying America is a nation built on
Judeo Christian values. Those
guys that were in charge, some of
them who are still very much alive and still
also in charge, were very clearly
like, I don't even fuck with the Catholics.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I'm not putting Judeo in front of my
Christian values. I think it's like
this ain't cran apple. This is straight
apple, dog. Fuck you. Yeah.
I think it's genuinely delusional
to think that like there could be this
kind of like
fascist allegiance internationally
that will sustain itself
and will help
with the preservation of Jewish people,
especially in a country like the United States of America.
And that is something that I truly fear.
Well, that's fine.
As long as you can,
if you've forged really good bonds
with these Christian organizations,
then you can be employed in one of the institutions,
which will send the leftist Jews to the camps.
Yeah.
Well, or over there to Israel.
over to Israel, to Gaza, to fortify the, you know, that's true.
That'll be a different kind of camp, you know.
Yeah, what is Israel, but at this point, at the end of the like, of the, like, Zionist, fascist vision, but a camp for Jews?
Yeah.
Like, what is it?
Other than that, where does it go other than that?
It doesn't go.
It's crazy.
The only Jews left in the diaspora are part of the Udnod, who's the just the Jewish police force sending the Jews.
to Israel. This is fucking
it's crazy, dog.
Yeah. But no,
it'll be great. Matt, you have
to listen to the worst
EDM you've ever.
You have to wear Capri pants and listen to the worst
EDM of all time for the rest of your life.
I have to learn to like side trans.
Yeah, you have to listen to
side trans and eat
and eat
the shittiest pizza.
Yeah. Which is an Israeli food.
Yes, that they invented.
Before we continue, I'm going to listen to a little bit of Cytrans music just to get myself ready for the eventual forced alia.
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This Bad As Barra, World's Most Moral Podcast.
And we're here.
with Hassan Piker, aka Hassanabi, aka Hamasabi.
Are you going to, is it like any party that wants to reclaim the Hamasabi name?
It's kind of a little bit, a little bit.
It's just that like the association is initially created by people with the Islamophobic purpose.
So it's just, it's just frustrating.
to be able to take ownership over it.
Also, Americans do not associate
Palestinian emancipation of any sort
as a positive broadly.
So it's like...
Yeah, so more so with the name Hamas.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It's still, though, it'd be...
It's out there.
It's out there.
It's a pretty sick moniker if you choose to rise above
and get it tattooed on you.
Listen, if you don't do it, I'm taking it.
Okay, you take it.
You can be Hamasabi.
Hell, yeah.
So we have an article from the Jerusalem Post, our friends at the Jerusalem Post,
shout out to one of the weirdest fucking publications ever made.
Is it a newspaper?
Is it a blog?
We don't know.
All I know is people write in it, and sometimes they delete their writing.
Oh, that's my favorite.
I love when they do.
Post articles.
It feels like if they allowed, like, people in an old folks home to create their own little
newspaper. Yes. Exactly. It's like, they'll write
articles like, well, honestly, Jordan was always a part of Israel.
Yeah, yeah. Let's delete this one. This one didn't do well.
People read it. People actually read it and were very scared of what we were saying.
South Lebanon, more like North Israel.
They literally, I believe it was Jerusalem Post that had to delete the Jews need
Labens realm. Yeah. Unironically. The Lebanon one. Yeah. Southern Lebanon. It's just free
real estate. It's free real
estate. Well, they
have not deleted this post yet, and
this is, I don't
expect them to, but it is, once again
kind of like the
we're doing the cognitive
dissonance Olympics here. Like,
this is wild.
It is anti-Semites
condemn Trump's relocation plan in refusal to
accept state of Israel. Opinion.
So at this point, it is
anti-Sumet.
to be against ethnic cleansing.
I just...
I love that.
That is an opinion that someone is stating completely unironically.
This is an anti-Semites dream.
Like, J-Post is just like...
Yeah.
It's insane.
Like, it's insane to be like, no, you don't understand.
It is a part of Judaism to do ethnic displacement.
Like, we have to do it.
Yeah.
It is anti-Semitism.
It means you hate Jews.
Yeah.
And this next sentence, this subheading is no better.
A comprehensive and unequivocal solution to the Gaza problem is tantamount to accepting long-term existence of the state of Israel.
Like a final.
Some sort of, well, you know how there's a Gaza problem and we need a Gaza solution?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It would be nice if we didn't need a solution after that one.
if that solution somehow was in the sequence of solutions.
That's sort of the last one, right?
The terminal one, the one after which there need be no further solutions.
Let's call it comprehensive and unequivocal just to, you know.
The solution to end all solutions.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just to avoid any negative associations.
It's not the penultimate solution.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's the one right after.
Yeah.
The right after a penultimate solution.
The post-penultimate solution.
Post-penultimate, yes.
The post-penultimate solution.
to the Jewish pro i mean the Gaza problem you know what it reminds me of is a the transfer is not
a dirty word article that ben Shapiro wrote in 2012 i have not seen that oh you've never seen that
no that's the only word that starts with those five letters that he thinks isn't a dirty word yeah right
yeah yeah he uh he wrote i am not transphobic i'm i'm into transferring entire populations
away from where they live he identifies transfer he wrote this back in 2012
And I think it's one of the few articles that he, I mean, it's still out there,
but like he does say that his attitude had developed since then, which is really interesting
because we know that that's not the case, right?
Yeah, of course.
Nothing in him has developed since.
Yeah, he still looks exactly like he did, like a little child.
It's amazing that guy stays childish.
Yeah.
But, yeah, one of my, one of my favorite, like, longstanding bits way back in the day was,
just to like Google translated the German and then play it out. And it just sounds identical to a Hitler speech where he's just literally talking about like, no, we need to pick these dirty Arabs and put them in trains. Yeah. And ship them off somewhere else. It always sounds better in its original German. Yeah. So this article might also sound as good. But this one's more whiny, which is what I love about the Jerusalem Post. Oh, that one was whiny too. I mean, come on, especially pure. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
So among the anti-Semites responses worldwide, the response of Spanish foreign minister Jose Manuel Alboras caught my eye.
Under Alvarez, Spain has become a world leader in hatred of Israel, having joined the lawsuit against Israel in the Hague rushed to impose an arms embargo on Israel plus sanctions on Israelis, cutting ties, and more delicacies for the anti-Semitic palette.
Like so much Hamon.
Like so much Hamon.
so much iberian ham yes yeah it is definitely not koshery that iberian ham that's why we left
in 1492 um let's ironically enough where did you go to the land of my people that's right
the ottoman empire which uh initially was a uh safe haven for jewish people that's right that's right
even though you know we we of course also have uh arabs and muslims alike have always had
this ancient genetic gene according to our former president cadaver joe biden yeah somehow you managed
to put it aside for long enough yeah syrian jews i learned this from my girlfriend who's
had some syrian jewish descent had a tradition on hanukkah where they will light an extra candle
in gratitude for the hospitality and community they found in syria
After he was from Spain, yeah.
That's crazy.
And there are people, you know, in Damascus and Aleppo who still remember having Jewish neighbors and they mourn their departure.
How do you know that's not a Hamas PR stunt?
Oh, it probably is.
You know, that's like, you know, Hamas makes you wear, you know, shake hands and wear the, the lanyard with the Palestine flag.
That was like Syrians, like, you better put an extra candle on that candle on that.
That's probably what happened.
So, let's see, quote, Gaza belongs to Palestinians and they must stay there, announce Albares.
They must, this coming from a representative of a country that once expelled hundreds of thousands of citizens just because they were Jewish.
Shut the fuck up.
Modestred of irony.
None.
No irony.
There's no irony in the Jerusalem Post.
He's like, oh, it's funny you would say that, someone who was silent during the Spanish Inquisition.
Look who decided to turn off the music in the ethnic cleansing musical chairs game a little early.
He's like, but the entire article is defending ethnic cleansing.
Yeah, yeah.
It's an ethnic displacement of Palestinians.
Yeah.
Oh, now we don't get to do it?
Yeah, there's a lot going on with this article.
Trying to pinpoint a very specific ideology is almost impossible, especially since Trump has now made like the transfer of
Ghazins into a humanitarian
thing where it's just like
no we're doing this to help now
every Zionist is just like
don't you care about the Ghazans
we're trying to help them
and so they are promoting
ethnic cleansing as a
helpful solution and this is
we'll keep going
Albares is just one of
the one on the list of leaders
who jumped in the panic and he
at least doesn't bother to
arm himself with moral arguments
the Gazans must stay, in his opinion, alive or dead, and it's clear why.
It is not moral opposition to transfer that stands behind the Declaration.
After all, the world's nations don't oppose population movements in 1948.
When all the Jews of Arab countries were expelled from their states with only their clothes on their backs, Spain didn't claim it was a moral injustice.
By the way, that's not true.
It didn't suddenly happen in 1948.
Yeah.
just suddenly.
Yeah, that's an insane.
Otherwise, Israel wouldn't have had the bomb Baghdaddy synagogues in the 50s.
That's right.
It's funny, it's funny to think that, like, all of the Arab nations were just like,
oh, man, the Holocaust just ended.
Now it's our time to be so hard Jews.
Yeah, yeah, come on, guys.
We got to pick up the slack.
Yeah, they were like, fuck, we missed their shot.
Hey, guys, are the Holocaust still going on?
Oh, I think it ended like three years ago.
Three, shit, we said we had them out of here,
by two you're fucking i'm sorry bro i slept in for a bit i had a really late night are your jews still
there oh shit oh okay no don't worry we got this we got this we'll finish it uh yeah
to that camp that just opened up yeah yeah yeah uh there was no yeah it's real nice when
america does it but when the arabs do it you're like i have issues right yeah yeah that's
fucked up yeah if anyone's gonna tell us we have to move to israel um let's see
There was no Spanish opposition when Jews were evacuated from the Sinai in 1982,
nor when Israelis were evacuated from Guzcatif.
Yeah, so to be clear, Gushkatif is in Gaza.
It was literally a settlement.
And the Sinai was also settlers who settled after 1967 when the Sinai was taken from Egypt in the Six Day War.
Also, like, it would be weird.
The Spanish government is like, hey,
I'm really offended that the Israeli military is forcibly removing the most rabbit of the settlers that were like, no, I'm going to stay in this fucking settlement in Gaza. I don't care. I'm staying here. This Zionist photo op is anti-Semitic.
It is fucking insanely funny, too, to also, I mean, again, we're talking about not even like the fucking prime minister or president or whatever the fuck Spain has. They don't have a, they have a king still, right?
I don't know.
Don't they have a bourbon?
I feel like they have a bourbon who just sits around.
He's harmoni baron-ebaricco all day.
Yeah, just a bourbon eaten hum-o.
I mean, that's what happened with the Netherlands, too.
Those kings are always pro-Israel.
Yeah, they're there, and they're just like, oh, no, yeah, kingdoms are great.
That's why we're like Israel.
We're trying to make it one.
He, again, we're, like, blaming the Spanish foreign minister for not speaking out during
the 1948
expulsion of Jews from Morocco
like fucking
how old was he at the time
like I assume he was like
fucking five
he was probably five
if alive at all
wasn't Franco still fucking no I guess
it was after Frank yeah and also
yes no it would have been Franco
it's like it was literally
fascist Spain anyways
it is just incredible to be like
well where were you when
the Jews were ethnically cleansed from
that land they were trying to ethnically cleanse
that is so wild
where were you when the Jews were redeployed
from one area of settlement
which had been
basically deemed a waste of time and resources and moved to
another area another zone of interest
in the West Bank
that is crazy you didn't say anything during
1492 when Columbus exiled the
ocean Jews
in fact Spain has willingly
absorbed quite a few
Syrian refugees. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's my shit. Now he's going to get like weirdly
Islamophobic, I assume. Oh, yeah. Well, listen, they absorb quite a few Syrian refugees who fled
their burning country, viewing it as a humanitarian act. Ukrainians and Eritreans fleeing their
country enjoy sympathy for the moral and justified idea that embraced, that embraces people
fleeing a war-torn area. We're creating what? We're creating these beautiful refugees for you. And
you won't take them why because jews made them refugees yes exactly it's because they've been touched
they've been tarnished by you know it's fucking insane the gossans are unique in the world being
imprisoned uh in their valley of tears bleeding miserable condemned to uh to lives of poverty and
disgrace under a dark terrorist organization whoa you didn't have to come after Israel that
Jesus Christ, man. That's crazy. I know. I mean, that's kind of based. I don't even say that. Yeah, this, uh, maybe this guy's a comrade. Dark terrorist organization. Even when they flee, they encounter closed gates behind, which stand moral, uh, which stand moral faces like Alvarez and his ilk who, uh, announced with bone chilling composure, no exit. You must, must stay. That's right. At the, at the gate, at, uh, you know, at the air is crossing or whatever. Albares.
is the one blocking exit.
Hello.
You cannot cross through here.
We know Palestinians.
No Palestinians are here, okay?
I can do that accent because I'm doing Spanish from Spain.
That is a white Spaniard.
It is okay.
I can do it.
Spain.
We never miss an opportunity to Lisp.
But, yeah, even when they flee, he says.
No, the point is they can.
Yeah. And the crazy thing about this, too, is...
And they would if they thought they could get to Spain.
They're saying, you guys are taking in all these fucking refugees from Syria and from, you know, Eritrea and Ukraine.
And all of a sudden you're against the idea of people being made refugees.
Like, as if the thing that they're accepting is like, no, we love the creation of refugees.
creating them we don't really care for the people we just like when they're made and then we like
them to come to our country and just go oh let's look at them it's like fucking insane cognitive
dissonance i mean he is right though it is a dark terrorist organization that is like destroying
the lives of palestinians it's just absolutely i think for uh jerusalem post purposes like they
you know it's definitely not hamas they yeah no i don't know if he knows which one he's talking
about, but I'd like to assume, you know, benefit of the doubt, but I don't know. Albrez doesn't care
about the Gazans' moral values or world peace. Before his eyes stands one well-known fact. A comprehensive
and unequivocal solution to the Gaza problem is tantamount to accepting the long-term existence
of the state of Israel. Solving Gaza's problem through migration means not only erasing for
generations
Israel's
hardest and
bloodiest border
but I love it
I love erasing
for generations
borders you know
yeah
borders but also
signaling to the
West Bank Arabs
that without a
viable peace
their future
might be similar
this
the anti-Semites
must not agree to
at this point
he's threatening
he's just saying
like oh you're next
and they can
yeah the anti-Semites
cannot allow
a solution that would
find once and for all
all finally terrify the Arabs into complete and total submission.
Yes, it is, it is just, I mean, at this point, the label anti-Semite, I'm just like,
I don't even think you know what it means anymore, Jerusalem Post.
It's fucking crazy.
It's just weird.
It's like, not only is a whiny as fuck, but it's also like this, this very annoying
2016, like, woke columnist style associated with it, but like when you,
when you understand what they're talking about it's like you're defending ethnic cleansing
for a ethno religious superiority project yes like that that is doing you know genocide in an
apartheist state and it's so weird to to try to hit that from the perspective of like oh the
racist hate this yeah the racist hate when we do ethnic cleansing huh and it's like I think everybody does
but I think you're just talking about racist
as if that is the majority of people.
It is insane.
Wiping entire families off the register to trigger the libs.
Yeah, just to, yeah.
Still, Trump has achieved an impressive feat.
He succeeded at once in making all those who plot Israel's downfall
jump up in panic from their layer.
To be fair, I do.
This is sort of a layer.
Let's see.
He exposed.
their double standard, according to which
the arbitrary imprisonment of
2 million innocent people is more
moral than their absorption into organized
states of their brethren
in the region. I'm sorry, did he
just admit
that Gaza is
an open-air prison?
Let me read that again.
He exposed their double standard
according to which the arbitrary imprisonment
of 2 million innocent
people is more moral than their absorption
into organized states of their brethren.
This is like the Nazis saying, this is like the Nazis saying, we created, I'm wondering, you know, I bet you're wondering why we've got to do here today. Well, we created these concentration camps to make a very important and sad point. The world doesn't want these Jews either. Yeah, yeah. You know, we created these horrible conditions and you don't even want to free them from that. You think that, you think that that's better than living in your country. Okay. Hitler did that. Yes, Hitler literally said that. Yeah. That is a thing that Hitler said that. Yeah. That is a thing that Hitler says.
Because initially it's the Madagascar plan, right?
So I think in an effort, like, I don't know if there was any real interest in, like, relocating Jewish people overall, but I'm, I think I remember seeing.
Yeah, there is a quote.
Yeah, I remember seeing a quote about, like, how the English are hypocritical for not taking the Jews.
Yeah.
And that, like, all of these other people, like, all of these other people in, in the Western world,
were basically not offering refuge to these parasitic Jews
or something like that basically
where he had no other option
he had to do a final solution
yeah and this is this is like
this is a classic Nazi talking point
I have it by the way if we want to hear it yeah
we love to quote Hitler go ahead
yeah we love that
we are reading Jerusalem both so yeah we already did go to Hitler so yeah this is from a website
called facing history and ourselves I don't know who who ourselves is but anyway on January 30th
1939 six years after became chancellor of Germany so in 39 Hitler made a speech to the
Reichstag that set forth his vision of the world's future he began by saying that other nations
were hypocritical when they complained that Germany was mistreating Jews quote in connection with the
Jewish question, I have this to say. It is a shameful spectacle to see how the whole
democratic world is oozing sympathy for the poor tormented Jewish people, but remains hard-hearted
and obdurate when it comes to helping them, which is surely, in view of its attitude, an obvious
duty, for this is what they say. We, that is, the democracies are not in a position to take in
the Jews. Yet in these empires, there are not 10 people to the square kilometer, while in
Germany, with her 135 inhabitants to the square kilometer, is supposed to have room for them.
They assure us we cannot take them
unless Germany is prepared to allow them
a certain amount of capital
to bring with them as immigrants
for hundreds of years.
Germany was good enough to receive these elements.
They possessed nothing
except infectious political and physical diseases
and so on and so forth, right?
Today we are merely paying this people
what it deserves.
So and so forth.
And the final paragraph,
in the course of my life,
I have very often been a profit
and have usually been ridiculed for it.
During the time of my struggle for power,
it was in the first instance
the Jewish race which only received my prophecies with laughter when I said that I would one day
take over the leadership of the state and that I would then, among many other things, settle
the Jewish problem today. Then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Man, this is, this,
that was Ben Shapiro, you said? Uh, yes, yes, young, young Shapiro. You got a credit where credit is
due. This kid can write. Yeah. It is, it is, it is like, you know, at this point, it's just
no longer shocking the fact
that these guys, you know, at the
Jerusalem Post, and like various other
like, quote, Jewish
publications that are
essentially just mouthpieces for Zionism
that they are just
doing like,
you know, it's like asking
chat GPT, hey, can you write
me like a Hitler thing but like kind of like
as a Jew? Like what is
in the style of? In the style of.
In the style of Hitler, it's crazy to me, because, I mean, he's talking about the final solution
of the Jewish problem, and we're reading a fucking article that is saying exactly the same thing,
but with, like, more words, which, you know, always better for more words.
Just to end it here.
After all, the war against Israel's legitimacy requires a narrative of a suffering people,
and the Ghazans, that's their role, and so on, in keeping with this line of thinking,
they must continue to suffer they must in the hands of who is the question i constantly find myself
asking whenever people try to like do this weird fake like if you care about the gossans you must
ethnically displace them right um yeah because i will kill them yeah it's is always considered like a
like a naturally occurring uh phenomenon it's like a typhoon i guess or or an earthquake yeah
it was incredible seeing that njah who is sitting there next to trump as trump is saying you know it's
a very dangerous place you know all they do there is die they're just going to keep dying it's
just a disaster i wouldn't want to live there you know it's not kind to keep them there and netanyahu
just sitting there with that that fucking smirk on his face yeah yeah yeah because he's just you know
he's it's it's like uh it's like hearing a fucking dog yeah it's like it's like when a dog here's
their owner blaming the other dog for something they did and they're just like yeah that's right
it's uh fucking it's it's incredible and i was just thinking about this cognitive dissonance and
like what it is and it's funny the amount of time we spend trying to understand it when it is
just so clear like how can someone be how can someone look at a prisoner uh an Israeli hostage that
returns, who is gaunt from being, you know, in tunnels for 15, 16 months.
And it'll be starved by fucking Israel.
Well, I mean, to look at them and be like, I'm crying right now.
And then to look at, you know, thousands of Palestinians dead and, you know, fucking
buried under rubble children and like, and other Palestinian prisoners coming back all gaunt
from their treatment and like feel nothing.
In fact, like, even mock them.
like we try to understand this cognitive dissonance all the time and and it's stupid because
I'm just like oh it's just hate yeah yeah no it they just that's why that's why I've given
up if like if I'm talking to someone who's even a little bit pro israel like I don't even
talk about that side of the hypocrisy because like the underlying sentiment in all of my experience
like going back and forth with a lot of people on this issue is that it almost always devolves
into, well, they're not human. They're like a parasitic evil force that must be excised
forcibly. But that's why it's also additionally idiotic when, I mean, this was Abu Ida
who said it, I think, on October 8, where he was like, what fate befalls the Palestinian people
will befall every Israeli that we have taken as prisoner. And it's true. It's like, yeah,
if you bomb us, they're going to get killed in the bombing. If you starve us, they're going to
starve because we're not going to be able to give them proper food. And honestly, in spite of all
of that, in spite of the blockade, in spite of the endless bombing, they look objectively in
better condition than the average Palestinian coming out of permanent detention from an Israeli
concentration camp. The worst of them look very, very, very stressed. Yeah. They look malnourished.
right terrified they look like they've been in captivity under very perilous circumstances for
they look like they should look after that much time right many of them look I mean
unaccountably healthy it's crazy that there are that many who don't look like they've been
hostages that's for 15 months and and you know that's not to say that in any way like oh
you know this is it's it's good to be a host or whatever it's not it's not defending hostages
taking but it is showing the difference between a fucking you know an organization like
Hamas being able to take care of its of its hostages or its prisoners or captives better than
Israel like a fucking modern rich ass state like Israel I mean it's so clear the difference
and there's just no and there's just no reciprocity the Palestinians and Gaza haven't been
able to affect the conditions in of their detainees their hostages
in Israeli prisoners in Israeli prisons one bit that has been 100% under the control of the Israelis
as opposed to the condition of the Israeli hostages in Gaza that's right at least in
major part is dictated by Israeli policy yeah and it's crazy because like so many the
hostages that have have been released whether on the humanitarian grounds with like I think
her name was you have lipshits the first older lady that was released
right um or virtually every other hostage that has been released since then has been fairly vocal
about their treatment uh by umas and palestinian Islamic jihad stating on numerous occasions and
i'm shocked that they even like openly said this but that they were for understandable reasons
because they are leverage taking the best care uh to the best of their ability and that
uh even um noa argani i think her name was the the famous uh the the the hostage
was made famous by the israelian and american media right that they were like look how hot she
was how dare they take yeah that was i didn't want to say that but yes that is that's what they're
a lot of people were doing which was weird yeah they were like look at these savage barbarians stealing
our beautiful women which is literally an old colonial trope yes it is um with her i think there was a moment
where like the Israeli media basically misquoted her saying that like
that Hamas had like brutalized her or assaulted her and she came out on her
Instagram story and was like no I got I did not get assaulted by them at all
it was actually Israeli bombing that harmed me like can you stop lying about my
experiences like you're re-traumatizing me by by just basically lying about my
personal experience. These people are not pro Hamas, obviously. They're not fucking pro-Palestinian
at all. Like, they're just accounting for their actual experiences. And yet, after months and
months, uh, the, the $150 million, as you were saying, was deployed, I think, in this
initiative, 100% because there was way too much conversation on social media about the horrible
torture that virtually every single Palestinian that was being released, uh, had undergone,
on and it was so visible, but because there's no, virtually no media out there in the West Bank,
even, because the Israeli military also suppresses them as well, that it was not getting as much
coverage, but it was at least getting a little bit of motion in social media.
So, lo and behold, I think the Israeli government decided to go.
These guys are emaciated.
These guys are in horrible conditions.
Hamas did this.
Look at how terrifying this is.
in an effort to basically counteract all of the all of the the imagery that we had seen
and of course western media that had not covered any of the Palestinian prisoners that were
being released Palestinian hostages that were being released from Israeli detention and the torture
that they had experienced that they turned a blind eye to that immediately they started covering
the the claims that were being made by the Israeli government that of course
in very American president fashion, just like Joe Biden did back in the day. When he was president,
Donald Trump was like, they look like Holocaust victims. Right. Yeah. Immediately. And that has
been, you know, the thing they've been saying. And it's funny for anybody who has been, you know,
paying attention to this for the last 16 months, there's nothing that we see other than cognitive
distance. That's all we see, because they are, they're seriously going to say with a straight face,
they're going to put out this cartoon with a straight face. On one side is, it says never again,
and there's three emaciated Jews behind barbed wire. It's black and white. It's the Holocaust.
And then the panel next to it says, again, and it's three emaciated Jews surrounded by Hamas fighters.
Yeah, it's so reminiscent of all those times.
that, you know, the Nazis released Jews from Auschwitz.
Right, exactly.
Publicly and gave them a little certificate.
Famous for releasing the prisoners.
That's what everyone knows.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
And the reaction, I mean, it's like, no matter what condition the Israelis are released in,
it's horrible.
Because, and what it is is, you're seeing Israelis in a moment of humiliation and vulnerability.
Right.
Like, if they're released and they're perfectly, they seem perfectly healthy.
healthy and of sound mind and body and whatever.
Then it's like, imagine what they're going through inside.
Imagine how you mean.
Now, I've seen critiques of the way Hamas parades these prisoners across the stage.
I'm not going to comment on that, right?
It does have a, it's an optics thing that has certain consequences.
And you could argue strategically that you're not doing yourself any favors.
Whatever.
You could also argue that it's cruel punishment, fine, whatever.
But the, the, just the, the defiant.
sympathy for for whatever condition an Israeli hostages in
compared with the total silent I mean
Shail Benafriam our favorite liberal Zionist guy
yeah today posted something like it's so good to see
the hostages on their own two feet or something you know or this is a
different that's a different one yeah yeah yeah hold on I have it
the other part of that is like stamping them
what the star of David is yet another, like, insane way
where Israel is just, like, taking ownership over this stuff
and also simultaneously associating it with Judaism to be like,
yeah, no, I want everyone to associate, like, cruel and inhumane treatment
of these people with Judaism.
Yeah, yeah.
Right, and I was talking to Matt earlier today,
and it's like, okay, both Israel and Hamas are engaging
in a kind of like,
sadistic reality TV show fashion parade
where you dress up your captives
and you parade them in front of the world, right?
One of them dresses them up
in sort of army neutrals
and brings them across a stage briefly
with a certificate, right?
All right, yeah, always good to see the hostages
standing on their own two feet,
says, Shalben-Afriam,
and I said, well, yeah,
as opposed to Palestinian hostages
who are lucky if they leave prison with two legs.
Right.
You know, one just got it, you know, came back with one leg amputated.
But so that, that's what Hamas does.
That's their method of doming, right?
Fashion doming, the Israelis.
They make them go through that humiliation.
Okay, let's call that a humiliation.
What do the Israelis do?
What's their style?
Let's dress them up in sweatshirts with the Star of David that says,
we will never forget and we will not forgive in Arabic.
Yeah.
Right?
And we make them cower in the,
corner with their like on their knees facing away from the camera and this is the image we want
to put out okay well you know if I had to pick between one terrorist organization and the other
both engaged in humiliating sort of photo ops and fashion rituals Hamas comes out looking a whole lot
more dignified yeah I mean the worst you can say about the you know at least fashion wise is
they got a lanyard yeah it was a lanyard with
a fucking you know a Palestinian flag on it it's it's uh the idea that that is um it was yeah
it was infantilizing it made them look like they were in kindergarten sure yeah okay i didn't
make them look like they were in a concentration camp yeah i think they're also like there's
something to be said about like the certificates or the gift bags or even like the kaffia yeah um
but i think it's also uh like the reason why they're doing that is not to humiliate uh
the Israelis, or at least it doesn't read as that to me, where it's more so, I'm sure that
plays a role in Israeli consciousness, like it reads as that. So certainly that probably is a
part of it. But I think it's also the fact that like it's the same reason as to why they
come out of these tunnels like clean, you know, very clearly dressed in their military gear
that was kept neatly or at least washed right before, right?
Like, I think there is almost a sense of pride
to show whoever is watching from afar around the world.
It's desperate, but to show whoever can even remotely pay attention to this,
that, like, in spite of everything, like, this is the dignity that we have offered,
the people that we have held in captivity.
And, of course, to an occupier like Israel,
everything is humiliating. That's the point.
Yeah.
They live their life constantly reading humiliation into every single thing that they do.
Like, yeah, because because it's a sense of like, it's also, it's humiliating because of the,
the sense of like, you know, ethnic superiority that they feel. That's what it is. These are barbaric
savages. That's why October 7 is so traumatic on top of everything else, on top of like the actual
violence. It was also violence being conducted by an otherwise captive and servile population.
Like, how dare they? How dare they strike back at us? Like, we are so superior.
And to talk about like whatever you do being read as like humiliating and messed up from the
Israeli perspective also is the fact that initially I think they were doing the hostage releases
without the theater of the theatrics of the big stage. Right. Which funnily enough has
an AI fist with six fingers on it.
I don't know if you guys saw that. I thought it was
funny. One of the fists that they
have up on it has six fingers because they
used AI, which is why I'm canceling
Hamas. But that's a totally separate
you know, there's Palestinian graphic
designers out there. There are.
They're on Fiver and they could do
it with the correct amount of fingers.
What are we doing? It's messed up.
Hamas is in the pocket of big tech.
Yeah. Hamas using an ad like that
is completely unacceptable. I think this is
my red line. But
But yeah, they initially did not do the theater, the stage, right?
And there was commotion.
And then Israel got mad about the commotion.
So then the next day, what did they do?
They put the hostages on the stage.
And then the hostages threw up the peace sign.
Then Israel got really mad about the peace sign.
So they went back to the regular process of handing it over to the Red Cross when there was commotion.
And then Israel got mad at the commotion again.
So they just keep going back and forth where, like, they are responsive to, at least to a certain degree,
Israeli demands, no matter how ridiculous it is.
But, you know, no matter what you do, like you said, Daniel, Israel is going to get mad anyway.
Well, to the omnipotent, right?
Any assertion of agency.
Of agency is...
Or of humanity in any sense or decision-making, you know.
Is a capital offense.
And when the unter mention won't stay unter, it's a, it's a...
thorn in the side of the of the powerful ones that's right well hassan um thank you for uh coming on
and uh and not being unter but rather being uber uh i assume that's the opposite uh thank you for
coming on and uh being uh one of the most uber moral guests of bad hasbara uh where can
people find you and find your work?
It's a stupid question. And where could people finally leave you
alone about coming on this show? Yeah, yeah.
Where do people watch you? It'll be fine. People will still
be annoying about it, but it's all good.
So, um, people can find me at, uh, Twitch.
dot TV slash Hasanami, where I'm live every day from 11am Pacific
onwards, uh, until usually around, uh, you know, 7 p.m.
Pacific. That's incredible. And that's it.
How the fuck do you do that? Yeah, I, I'm insane. I do that seven days a week as well.
So I'm even, um, even,
live on Sundays. Like this has been two hours and I'm so tired. How are you not tired? I just,
I don't know. I got, I got a lot of love for what I do. I'm a very fortunate person. I'm a very
privileged person. I'm very lucky to, to have the opportunities I have. I never thought that I would
get to this point in my career. So it never feels, it never feels like it's, it's real work.
Because it's not. Yeah. Well, it's amazing. You know, you, you, you, you, you've,
You do it for hours a day and you work out and you got a great body.
And I just want you to just enjoy your body, you know?
I want you to take care of your body.
It's very good.
Look in the mirror.
Just enjoy what you see.
What do you eat?
Chicken?
Just chicken?
I just eat a lot of chicken.
Yeah, I eat like around a pound of chicken every day, straight white chicken breast every day.
A pound?
Do you, but you have things on the side, like rice, ketchup?
A little bit of rice, you know, it just depends on what I'm in the mood for.
Sometimes it's Mediterranean chicken, so I have it, like, in a wrap.
Do you work out for more than 30 minutes?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, I got to start working out.
I might ask for tips at some point because I feel like I should.
I feel like my face could be skinnier.
I got you.
You got to play basketball.
You're wasting your 6'7 frame.
It's disrespectful.
As a guy who's 5-6, I'm glad to have nothing to waste, but I can use some tips on getting taller.
You got to break your bones for that one.
Nah, but just keep trying.
That's what I say.
You know, just keep getting back on that horse.
Oh, but speaking of athletics, I do want to shout out the Palestinian football club from Chile, who gifted me this jersey that I've been wearing today.
Yeah, that rules.
They sent one for my brother, too.
I'll just show you the back.
I haven't given to them yet.
Oh, oh, it says
Matte number 11.
That is so sick.
And the ones are
the ones are made out of
the country of Palestine.
Yeah, contiguous free Palestine.
I love it.
I love it.
And they gave the Golan Heights back,
which I like.
See?
This is why we need to free Palestine.
Well, Hassan, thank you so much
for coming on.
And thank you to everyone out there
listening.
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