Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bad Hasbara 94: Livestream Mailbag

Episode Date: March 22, 2025

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Olive Garden us White foster us Zavrahamas As far as us Hello, everybody, and welcome to Bad Hasbara. The world's most moral mailbag, I mean podcast. That's right. My name is Matt Lieb.

I am your most moral co-host for this podcast. I'm Daniel Mate, your other most moral co-host. I'm producer Adam Levin, your most moral producer. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, dog, we're here. We're live. We're doing it live again. It's been a while since we, I think,

did like a free live you know like it's been a while since we did any kind of live but especially a free one yeah yeah yeah it's uh it's been a minute and where i'm so excited to to be talking to people live no cuts no editing has to be done you're just gonna get the the raw shit i don't edit anything out normally no it's just it's that smooth all the time mm-hmm we have never said anything that we said you know what cut that out because that won't be helpful We are three smooth-brained individuals. Very smooth, very smooth brain. The smoother the brain, the more smooth you are.

I don't know if people know that. It's a, that's just science. Use your head. Yeah, use that smooth brain. Anyone with that wrinkly-ass brain, that just means you're old. Not me. Young and smooth brain and wet brain and my got a good brain. What's up, Piggy's.

Shout out to the Piggy's who are in the comments, you know, saying stuff. Oink, Oink. And OMG, is that producer, Adam? Yes, it is. Thank you. Read, Reed, Boyes. Good sleuthing there, Reed. Read. Read. Read, boys, was going to be the other podcast name. Just very well, read, boys.

Thank you guys for joining this live. We have been promising a mailbag episode, I think, since the beginning, and it's just one of those things where you think, you know, well, when I have an off, when we have a day where we're like, let's just fuck around and not prepare, you know, I'm certain that'll come up soon. And then it doesn't happen because Israel just keeps doing war crimes. And you're like, well, fuck, now I got to talk about this. Yeah, the world keeps getting awful is the issue. Yeah. It would be nice if they took a break. well i think i think they they didn't because they thought it would it would stop us from doing a mailbag episode i think it was written into the this the fine print of the ceasefire deal and they're like we cannot allow this this this historic thing to happen on the podcast of bad has bella but you know what fuck you mr milchick we're doing it anyway that's right fuck you mr milchek no spoilers speaking of what yep i was just going to say he's no spoilers i have

I've still not seen the second, the last episode of severance, nor the last episode of severance, which just happened. You can go to my Twitter if you want to hear what I thought of last night. Okay. I sped by it. I noticed that you, I should have banned the word from my feet. Yeah. Oh, I should do that because I really, I just don't. You will get, I mean, you open the door of crack and all the plot twists and all the stuff.

Okay, okay, okay. All right. Harrison Ford is Red Hulk. Yeah, it turns out, everyone was dead. whole time and it's planet earth and there's a statue of liberty and it's a cookbook to serve man and it's a cookbook to serve man and the glasses fall down and they break these are all great pulls uh people in the chat pulls from jac linens rob the office that's right that's yes that was a great twist we're back to our glen gerry glen ross roots speaking of glen gregory glen ross sort of

do you know bill burr is going to be in a broadway production of it's It's in previews right now. Bill Bear is playing Ed Moss. Kieran Culkin is playing Richard Roma, Pacino's role. Bob Odenkirk playing Jack Lemmon's role, Shelly Levine. Michael McKeon, Bob Odenkirk's brother

from Better Call Saul. Yes, yeah. And of Spinal Tap fame, playing Aerono. Oh, I'm like so stoked on that. Come out here. We'll go see it together. I was thinking about it.

I was thinking about it. I was like, I actually would see that. uh you know i listen i love broadway of course and i love coming after this though cats well that to the kennedy center uh but the dey glengarry glen ross oh yes i heard about this uh all an all female cast of glen gren ross that has been done i think i think it was done in in england or somewhere um yeah i i'm i'm excited to see that yeah people too yeah the the the the funny thing about that the like anyone being mad about that is you first have to like admit you are a big like Broadway head you know like to to complain about DEI on Broadway it's like it's

it's slightly more ridiculous slice of cake yeah it's like it's more gayest way to be a homophobic yeah exactly it's uh yeah it's like when people uh complain about like uh about like uh bakery uh you know or it's like if a if a baker is like i'm not going to serve a gay wedding cake it's like you're already a baker like i'm not going to make my flowery pink cakes for gay people yeah exactly it's like are you kidding me why is that your profession then look man simply fabulous cakes has been in my fucking family for fucking generations Listen, there's no fucking way I'm giving two dudes

This beautiful pink flower cake With a heart on it My grandpa was in cream and butter in Brooklyn To make no cake for Finooks It's so funny I love that I love that about people People are just like

You know homophobes They come in all shapes and sizes In forms Anyway, welcome to the mailbag episode about as far as the world's most moral podcast very focused episode yes we're gonna go everywhere it's actually a relief to not

have to keep it together because we're not so good at keeping focused are we yeah no we don't need to be focused but you know that's why you like us I think I don't really know why you like us but anyways

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Please do that. Do that now. Thank you. And a big thank you to our moderator, B-C-C-C-T. I don't even know what a moderator is, but she's really good at it. Yes. Yeah, I like randomly one day was just like looking at one of our, you know, drops or whatever, the, you know, the premieres. And I was like, you know, who's always here and there's always awesome B-Cat. And B-Cat. And I think there's one other moderator, but there may not be. I don't know. But shout out to B-Cat. You are, you know, you're doing God's work. Well, you're doing our work. But we're doing God's work. But we're gods. We're God. You're God's subcontractor. That's right.

Daniel. So, Matt, before we do the spin, sorry, let's just for that ticket. Whoa. Let's go to bit.ly slash Matt Fran Cobbs. Wow. Thank you. Holy moly. How do you do that?

I know computer. It's in my car. It's all computer. I love it. It's computer. It's all computer. Shout out to the president. Daniel, what's this been?

Well, I thought I'd pull out just a few albums with songs related to the male. Oh, this is the mail bag episode. So we got these lovely chaps from Liverpool. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. With the Beatles, their early album, which has a cover of the girl group song, Please, Mr. Postman. Please, Mr. Postman, yeah, yeah. I got this instrumental record from the 60s, which has, you can see, it's Hawaii 5-0 is the title

Ray Tom's on that record yeah the Ventures cover the letter right which I think was by who the Hollies you know and Joe Cocker did it okay baby just wrote me a letter I wrote me a letter

Ray Charles did it anyway our piggy's just wrote some letters and then finally I got a letter from the government the other day I opened and read it it said we love your podcast Yeah.

Hey, Chuck D. Sorry about spreading crack through the neighborhood. It'd be great if the government wrote a letter. Sorry about, you know, spreading crack and inventing aid. The box talk. The box talks, thanks, thanks, chat. The song, a letter is originally by the box tops. That's right.

And those are the spin. That's what's spinning inside of Daniel's head. And you know what? It's time to spin ourselves some mail. What? Oh, my God. Holy shit. Rumham.

I'm sorry. What happened to Rumham? No, Rumham pointed out that I made a huge omission. I should have gotten super unknown off the shelf by Soundgarden. Oh, yeah. Because Soundgarden has a great song called Mailman on their living color has a great song called Postman on their stay and album. So there's a few more.

This is a few more where that came from. Is that on Super Unknown? It is on Super Unknown. Soundgarden had Mailman and Spoon Man. They had all the men. They had Spoon Man and Mailman. I know I'm headed for the bottom, but I'm riding you all the way. Interesting.

Written, I believe, by Matt Cameron, the drummer. You know, it's like I listen to that album for about seven songs that I play on loop. And then there's the ones that I don't like. Yeah, it's not my favorite sound garden album. Bad Motorfinger is by far my. Yeah, yeah, that's the one everyone like. But I really like Super Unknown. I mean, it sounds great.

It does. It's like a garden of sound. if you will um israel so uh sorry and i'm just saying israel when i'm trying to get refocused yeah israel palestine bad hesbar uh two bunnies says daniel said have his own radio station you really should like senior love daddy uh samuel l jackson and do the right thing exactly yeah yeah yeah or um the the lady from uh the warriors yeah you know the one who keeps warning the warriors the warriors yeah i just saw it recently they needed to come out to play yay yeah yeah but their mom wouldn't let them i think i don't know i barely paid attention um okay so we asked

everybody we knew who listens to this podcast uh to send in their questions and comments and concerns um because we have a patreon patreon patreon. patreon.com slash bad hesbarra please join it um we of course are going to give priority to the people in the, you know, Patreon, you know, who, who subscribe. Sure, but we will also, hopefully, if we can get to it, get to somewhere of the, like, you know, the general non-pay pig questions. But for now, first thing, first, I want to shout out a listener who has been making some fan art and sending it to us for a while, name, Emmy Goldheart and or E.M.M.E. Emmy. Yeah, I think Emmy. That's how you pronounce it.

Emmy has been doing like this hand-drawn kind of like word art for us for a while, just kind of sending it. And I just, she made a big monster collage of a lot of them. And I just wanted to display it on screen. You know, it's got all sorts of all sorts of different lines from the show. it's got let's see Mahash Lomha Bich, how are you? We invented all that shit. Uh-huh, we invented all that shit.

Let's see what else. Luzi Stence and Jaffa's Orange Groves. Yes, yes. Yeah, it's got just like a thousand different things that we've said, including you know, stuff like that we haven't just said, but

that we believe like anti-Zionism is not equal to anti-Semitism. You know, there's a U.S. speed drive that was written there's a pig in the middle i just i love this so much it's really small on the screen at the bottom it looks like it says from the river to the sea may all buttholes be free but that's not what it says i mean but also you know it's not a bad sentiment yeah that's included all else being equal i mean yeah sure on the river to the sea um go ahead and take some poppers he he but yeah it's it's really great and uh so shout out to uh emmy for

continue. It's really gorgeous, yeah. Yeah, and Emmy sent is a nice voice message in solidarity with Mahmoud Khalil. Oh, cool. And she also mentioned that it's her cat, Liddy Rose, birthday. So I'm a pet lover, so shout out to Liddy Row. Yes. Okay, here we go. Someone's actually asking something that if you didn't know, so the opening, you know, lyrics to the theme song is ma's shalom ha bitch

masham chah yeah right mashlam chah and so essentially that is what's up how are you but it's the masculine

what's up yes you would never say mashlam chah to a woman you'd say mashlameh yeah mashlameh is that's the feminine version of it which in the remix of the theme song

I flipped it and said mashlameh bruh yes yes which is very good because I was But I don't want to call, you know, it's not to call a female a B word. It's to, you know, it's the way I- It's not to call an F word a bitch. Yeah, exactly.

Thank you. Let's see, you got to censor one of the words. But, yeah, that's what it means. You know, this is my, that song was limited by my shitty Hebrew, like me knowing very, very little Hebrew at all, which is, I think, why I thought it was funny, too. to say to da rabba moses uh toda rabbi uh todda rabbi means thank you very much yeah uh okay so let's get to some questions uh this first one is from toby toby writes i moved back to my hometown after 20 years in the bay area and a kind neighbor remembered me after all these years and has been uh an absolutely

lovely neighbor to me and my family. I have been standoffish the last year because my neighbor is from Israel. And a lot of what I'm up to lately revolves around protesting that country. I'm too afraid to broach the subject because it would break my heart if I learn she's a scientist. I've decided I'm not going to ask, does that make me a coward and a hypocrite or should I just ask her? So I don't have to wonder and fret. Great question. Hmm. I mean, I'm of two minds. about this um on the one hand it to me it all depends on how close you are to this person uh if this is just a friendly neighbor you know acquaintance that you say hi to when you're like you know entering your apartment um or your house or whatever uh you know then no you know if you just like

having a what i would consider like a normal friendly relationship with a neighbor where you're just someone you say hi to when they're walking their dog then i i wouldn't get into politics uh but i assume you may have may be closer than that and i mean to me it's one way to get even closer to any neighbor is to have them over have some dinner and then start talking about stuff i would i'd bring it up if it was someone you you know cared about and you know i i don't know what do you think, Daniel? Well, I mean, certainly I would, from the jump, rephrase the question, the question is not, are you a coward and a hypocrite? Right. No, you're not. No. Don't make that what's at stake here. Yeah. I just, I mean, first, we're not going to sit here and judge you

and imagining you sitting there and judging yourself. Right. It doesn't feel so good. Like you might be a coward, but not for this reason. Yeah. You have some trepidation, right? I would approach it from the perspective of how important is it to you to be, yeah, I think what Matt said is real. There's a threshold of closeness above which it could become very taxing to you to conceal and pretend. And if you want to have a human connection with this person, and I'm not one of these people who's going to say, you know, Zionists aren't human or Israelis, you shouldn't.

I mean, we're living in North America. You know, and this person is here, you don't know anything about this person. And there's all kinds of possibilities for one-on-one conversation and connection, even with people who you think are horrific. Stranger things have happened that people on completely different sides of political issues have had human interactions, you know, and sometimes cool things happen and sometimes as a result and sometimes not. But I would say that if it's causing you stress and, as Matt says, you do want some kind of relationship with this person or you're drawn to that, then I think the thing to bring up is not necessarily Zionism itself or going at them for the political, actually just admitting, hey, you know what, there's something I need to tell you.

Like, I'm actually uncomfortable. I notice when I'm around you, I get tense. And that's because I have been engaged. in activism work that really means a lot to me right i've been doing terrorism what's that i've been doing terrorism i've been doing pro-hamas propaganda i have a closet full of hamas kitty uh yeah yeah yeah but but actually coming from your heart at which is you know you don't come at them with an accusation but it'd be like it could be like i actually find i can't interact with you authentically without broaching this topic because i know you're from there and it's very

And, you know, so I wonder if you'd be willing to, like, talk about that with me and just I could find out, you know, how you see things because there may be some, some views of yours that could get in the way for me. I don't know. Right. But, like, owning your own discomfort and coming from there may sound like it's coming from a losing position, but actually, I think the vulnerability of that and owning, taking responsibility for, you know what, I'm feeling that there's something in me that's uneasy here. and i want to just put that i just want to clear the air yeah can i take a slightly different tack on this of course hell yeah i think any of these could be valid uh you don't have to wait in on everything like i i i think that uh i i always tell people it's free to shut the fuck up yeah that's right and uh you know like you can have a closely held belief um and not necessarily need to engage with everybody on the basis of that belief and make that the cornerstone of an

interaction that might just be like oh hey thanks for picking up your dog poop or whatever right yeah sometimes it's more unhealthy too you know yeah it depends what your intention is I would say yeah and I think Adam's totally right it could be a valid choice just not to engage with that. Yeah. Either way, you're not a coward for not doing it. And if, you know, none of us are trying to convince you to do it. I think we're just putting ourselves in your shoes. And I think, I don't know, at least I can only speak for myself, but I don't know if I would be able to resist from doing, especially if it's someone I knew. And especially if they were doing the sort of neighbor thing, you can imagine the sitcom or the movie comedy where the Israeli neighbor keeps

coming over with i i brought you some humus i wanted to give you some food for my culture you know yeah if they were imposing their israelianness on you and right uh that might be one thing yeah i i i know that i just oh sorry go ahead i was just going to say i personally i i love uh i enjoy it i enjoy um talking to you know people in real life who uh um are whether or not there's Zionists, if they're Jewish, I'm usually talking to them about what's going on. They're usually talking

to me about it first, and then I'm like happy to engage. They always act like I mean, if you don't want to talk about it, it's fine. I'm like, no, I'm ready. I love it. That's why I started a podcast about it. So there you have it. Three possible responses, which are basically just reflections of the way each of us

would approach it, and you can see which which, if any, resonate for you and maybe you have your own approach. All right. AJ writes, my question is about accelerationism. Do you feel a pull towards desiring the, quote, downfall of the U.S. Empire? And if so, how do you deal with it? My opposition to Israel is an extension of my opposition to U.S. hegemony in the world order. And it seems an unavoidable conclusion that humanity would be better off with an obsolete U.S.

empire i find myself cynically viewing trump's destruction of our government and economy as having a silver lining it may eventually cause an implosion that will stop us from being able to kill and steal from the global south i guess i'm wondering if you've struggled with the same thoughts and how you've worked through them definitely great fucking question yeah let's see um so yeah uh do i feel a pull towards desiring the downfall of U.S. Empire? Absolutely. And I think you pointing out that your opposition to Israel is an extension of your opposition to U.S. hegemony, I think is not only the exact way I feel, but I also feel for some reason that it's the correct way to feel about it. The point is that your thoughts and my thoughts are both correct. So congratulations. You are right. Yes. So

You know, with regard to, you know, accelerationism or, you know, a strategy, I think I would make it distinct from a strategy of acceleration versus accelerationism versus accelerationism being sort of a, like you said, a silver lining, kind of like on the bright side of, you know, the administration that we are currently living through. like I'm not someone who necessarily believes in the strategy of accelerationism like get a fascist that'll be good I don't think that's true I think it's like you know asking for trouble for more we're we're talking about right in terms of accelerationism is things should just get worse quicker so that we get to the natural end of it right but Matt's making a good distinction I think between like therefore we should go out as left or as anti-imperialists and try actively to hasten the rise of the most extreme right-wing lunatic elements of the Republican Party so that like a conscious as opposed to a coping strategy strategies yeah I hope more for like a controlled dissent than a wing coming off the plane because you know we all live here too and like I would love for us to sort of like, to torture this analogy further, glide the plane down for a field landing, and catch on fire. Yeah.

And so, yeah, like, I hope there's, I hope there are ways, even within the body politic of the United States, where, you know, a center-right party is sort of the furthest left in the mainstream. Right. uh that we can somehow pull it leftward uh and and not make these things like the the the amount of debt the you know the home ownership crisis the greater stratification of wealth like i i would rather us work to ameliorate those things than uh let them happen toward it yeah yeah i i mean it's it's hard to say uh for me i mean i personally I don't believe in a strategy of accelerationism, but I do understand it as a as a coping mechanism. And I think, you know, it's something to be grappled with, you know, what does the, what does it mean for the American Empire to fall?

And does that have to include, you know, the right word shift? And I don't, I don't think it has to to include fascism. So I don't, you know, in any way. It was crumbling just fine under Joe Biden. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, so for me personally, I just, it feels like a, it feels like a coping strategy that I understand completely. And, you know, I don't necessarily know if it is going to bear out. I do think that we have, We have a political system in which the political opposition, quote unquote, the Democratic Party refuses to learn anything. And they pretty much all they do is have better rhetoric and, you know,

pull us back a little bit, you know, but we keep inching further and further right. So the idea that we're going to accelerate us into a complete crumbling content, catastrophe is like I mean I don't know I don't know I I fully resonate with the question I I have an impulse in me that's like yeah burn it all down yeah yeah yeah fucking burn the because the hypocrites anger me more than the fascists do the fascists have the capacity to scare me yes you know but do you get worried about yourself getting burned in that fire um not I mean I know there's a lot of people who have a lot more reason to worry about themselves getting burned in that fire than I do.

But it's entirely possible. You're a big scaredy baby. Well, I'm a, I'm a resident, I mean, I'm a legal resident, but not a citizen of this country. Right. Who has just gone through a visa renewal process, which I shouldn't talk about on air. But, you know, like I have things to lose too in terms of the capacity to live here. And I, of course, I'm worried, I'm a citizen of the planet. But I don't have a lot of fear about the future.

What's coming is coming. I yeah no but I do struggle with that because a part of me can emotionally there's a pull and I like the way the question phrased it do you feel a pull and I do feel an unconscious almost I don't know if it's a death wish but it's like a I would love to see a full I would love to live to see some major collapse and of course do I want to live with the consequences I don't know and let me just read something from a Leonard Cohen poem from about 22 years ago. Yeah, it's not that long.

I'll read the whole thing. But it's the very, very last line that I think answers this question in a way that should give us pause. And Leonard Cohen was prophetic. He wasn't political. He said, what is coming? 10 million people in the street.

Let me say this again. What is coming? 10 million in the people, excuse me. What is coming? 10 million people in the street cannot stop. What is coming? The American Armed Forces

cannot control. The president of the United States and his counselors cannot conceive, initiate, command, or direct. Everything you do or refrain from doing will bring us to the same place, the place we don't know. Your anger against the war, your horror of death, your calm strategies, your bold plans to rearrange the Middle East, to overthrow the dollar, to establish the Fourth Reich, to live forever, to silence the Jews, okay, to order the cosmos, to tidy up your life to improve religion they count for nothing you have no understanding of the consequences of what you do oh and one more thing you aren't going to like what comes after america so i always that poem is there as a kind of um buffer between me and rushing into a kind of because

it is a coping strategy like okay let's just get a kind of mass suicidal yeah let's get it over with let's let's burn it all down i understand the impulse i try to allow myself to feel it but i try not to let it run my thinking because of course there are consequences that we we don't want to say we're cavalier about in advance you know right yeah matt do you want to move on to this moose and putine based question um yeah for the barb from ottawa yes uh okay so uh new canadian prime minister Mark Carney has chosen a rabid Zionist as his chief of staff, Marco Mendocino. I love his sandwiches. Marco Mendocino?

That's his name? Margo Mendocino Farms. I love it. Yeah, dude, those are good ass sandwiches. Thank you, Chief Rabbit Zionist, Marco Mendocino. Can you spend part of your show on that? I know absolutely nothing about that. I'd never heard of Marco Mendocino and I'm Canadian, so we can look into him and see if there's

anything hilarious because that's really the standard yeah yeah well i think what we should do is uh maybe at some point do an episode just on um canadian politics and canadian zionism because i i do think it is uh interesting uh you know our neighbors to the north also have uh some rabid psychopaths and oh if anything it's a more right-winged zionist uh jewish community yeah yeah it is it is really interesting but it also uh conversely it has a um really cool radical uh anti zionist uh fringe you know uh especially in like uh montreal you know there's a lot of um great um you know anti zionist jews out there who i think are awesome yeah exactly yeah exactly uh but uh yeah so at some point we will get into that. Let's see. This is from Chris G. I was wondering if you have any advice for communicating

with my centrist liberal friends. Most of them are very susceptible to, quote, deference politics. So the liberal Zionist talking points of anti-Semitism and, quote, protecting LGBT people basically shuts down any critical thinking for them. I'm not Jewish myself, so I feel uncomfortable pushing back too hard on these points. Anti-Semitism is, of course, disgusting and unacceptable, and I never want to be misconstrued as being on that side. Great question, Chris, G. I mean, if they're susceptible to deference politics, that's when you reached for your Elon Paes and your Norman Finkelsteins and your, you know, you're, you know, your Bitzelims and you're breaking the silences and all the Israelis who have spoken out. And us, I mean, fucking hell. Like,

defer to us if you're going to that has bar us yes yeah no completely yeah i i do think that's like uh i think that is good if uh they're susceptible to deference politics then you show them the israelis who have you know uh spoken out against uh zionism and israel and the israeli government and all that um especially since you say outright that this is not anti-semitism to do so right yeah uh And I think it is, you know, it's an inn. And I think all of their other, you know, liberal deference politics points will be addressed through that. You know, and I don't think it'll be until hopefully later they get woke on Palestine and then they realize that the deference politics, the needing to have an Israeli tell you it's okay. the needing to have a Jewish person tell you it's okay to use your brain and have universal

human morality will, you know, hopefully happen at some point. But I also think if you're stuck in the sort of rule following hall monitor politics of like, you know, getting the correct permission in the correct order to, you know, to have an opinion. It's, very difficult to break someone out of that and you almost have to ask a foundational question just you know what if what you consider as orthodoxy is in fact wrong what if you've learned a you know an incorrect history that supports this you know this treatment or mistreatment of Palestinians or at the very least an incomplete history a woefully incomplete history right and that's also incorrect but you could start trying to sort of step back through the things that are

considered matters of orthodoxy just kind of like in general polite discourse and see if there's another another way to approach it I just think like arguing arguing over the like do you condemn type of like television policy Um, is not, is not necessarily the best way to approach it. It is approaching the kind of foundational, uh, historical legends that you grow up with. You know, it's like when, when you finally learn, you know, the real history of, of the United States as opposed to like the school history book version of it. Right. Um, you know, I think that's, that's the way that you bring people around. Yeah. Yeah.

yeah um it's it's definitely you know it can it can be difficult uh but uh i also think like you know if you're talking about friends you know versus like online parisocial friends you know if these are people you see and talk to um yeah you should be able to uh point them in the right direction and they in hopefully they'll take you in good faith and come at it in good faith I'd say too much carefulness is not your friend. Because if you're tiptoeing around it, your awkwardness about it, your lack of certainty may read to them as, you know, a lack of conviction or even confusing.

Like, what are you really? Because when we're nervous to offend, we don't always speak very clearly. So a certain amount of finding a certain amount of boldness, wherever you can stand in what you know to be true that way you can come from a calm grounded place that the energy of that is compelling and you can also at some point ask them have you ever noticed anything weird about

some of these arguments you know like or some of these Zionist figures yeah you ever notice that uh you know they'll have like a an Israeli flag and a pride flag and then you'll read something they said and you'll be like oh shit if i reversed um the uh the victim and the victimizer here i would consider this person a nazi that's weird yeah oh you could send them the um that game which is somewhere online i forget like who said it a zionist or a nazi it's like yeah yeah yeah yeah it's incredible i don't

i don't i got 19 out of 20 correct but there was one that i got wrong i don't think we've ever done that live on the show we should do that it is uh It's incredible. I can't believe the New York Times about Wordle and not that. We got some voicemails from people, too, and I want to... Oh, wow. Can you hold so I can run to the bathroom? I know this is a very much stream.

We can't edit this out. Can you take one more written question? Yeah, I'll take a written question while you're taking a shit. I'm sorry. It'll be the fastest shit in history. Yeah, push it. Okay. All right.

I'll do... I'll find one. Carmen kept it short and sweet with this wonderful question. Well, there's a few. When are you all starting the Bad Hasbara pack? What are the criteria you use to choose your guests? How many people have you asked to be on who have said, no? When's the live show going to happen and where L.A. Brooklyn?

Okay. So first things first, Bad Hasbara Political Action Committee. or yeah people should know we're not political uh yeah we're not political we've never talked politics um and uh you know hey listen as much as we would love to be a giant dark money organization um right now we just have a patreon that's um currently you know public so everyone can see um you know how many patrons we have and stuff so i think we're going to keep it transparent not not start doing dark money um but it would be nice uh if we there was some sort of like anti-Zionist pack out there that could somehow rival A-PAC.

That would be sick. Na-PAC. Yeah, Na-PAC. Yeah, very good. What are the criteria you use to choose your guests? Usually it's are they a either. They say yes. Yeah, they say yes.

And that's it. So, Daniel, one of the questions, questions is what are the criteria you used to choose your guests? Early on with this, the criteria was me going through their social media and seeing if they had talked publicly about how Israel is bad. So, I mean, not just like anybody. It was people I knew who were either in the comedy world or the sort of like, you know, just a adjacent world, maybe academic world. How they put themselves in their reputations and everything at risk and said this out a lot? If they had, then I was like, hey, come on the show.

Let's talk about it. But I was very careful to not ask people who hadn't, like, and not because I didn't believe they would. it was because i didn't want to put them in a position where they had to say no to something and then they had to admit to themselves that they were scared i don't like i don't like making people feel bad about that stuff so um now the criteria seems to be uh are they willing to go on a podcast about a very serious topic that includes a lot of dick jokes um and uh takes the piss out of it in a way that is maybe not as serious as they might expect it to be. That's kind of my criteria now.

Yeah, that's how I feel about it. How many cool people always say yes. That's how you know if they're on the show, then you know they're good. It's self-selecting. Exactly. How many people have you asked to Beyond who have said no? I don't think I've ever asked anyone who straight up said no. We've had some people who have been like, hmm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe he didn't give back to us. Yes, yes. That is, I think that's usually the more likely outcome than just straight up no. Because again, I think if someone says no, then they feel bad about being, you know, a coward. They're not really cowards. I get people not wanting to talk about this ship publicly, especially in entertainment. I do think there comes, we've reached a point where,

I'm like, you have, you don't really have any excuse anymore, you know, like. There's enough cover that you can say it and not be an instant pariah now. Yes, exactly. You can just be like, no, no, no, no, no. I still don't view Palestinians as human. I just hate Trump. You know, that's fine. You can do that now.

Congrats. Let's see. Trump's ruining our decades long, pristine, wonderful humanitarian policy awards Israel, Palestine. Marmar asked, have you asked Ethan Klein? Yes, I have. I did, when you was in the middle of his like meltdown last week, tagging me in stories on his Instagram. That's how you know he's not cool.

Yeah, I, yeah, I reached, I was like, you know, hey, come on bad as Barra. He has not responded. Let's see. Oh, yeah. And then finally, once the show, live show. going to happen and where uh la brooklyn uh yes we are going to do a live show i swear to god we are looking um at venues in uh in brooklyn um and we will we will do it it will be this year um we just we have to get it together it's like it you know we all have like lives and fame oh man you're

going to make me travel take the subway all the yeah i know i know you're going to have to take a fucking train to get over to a gig. It's a bummer, but you know, I think you can handle it. Yeah, so we have voicemails. And I want to play them. This is from Joe

from Pennsylvania. And let me just, this is the only way I know how to share audio is to do this. So I'm going to have a big black screen on here. Here we go. Hey, man. Daniel. My name's Joe. I just kind of wanted to call in and let you know what my experience is like out here in rural Pennsylvania. It's kind of a weird spot that you probably don't get too often. So we've been having these big, very libed up protests recently in the capital. The organization's called 50-51. And, you know, it's just kind of a general like Trump Musk protests. You know, the old white libs are pretty pissed off. And so they, it's kind of funny.

They're clearly new to this, but they're getting mad and they're getting out there, which is cool. Whenever the pro-Palestine folks show up, it kind of seems to be met with largely indifference, which is kind of understandable, I suppose. But, you know, this most recent one that they had, I thought it was a good opportunity to kind of unite the two struggles here with the just disappearing of Mahmad Khalil. It was cool, like one of my buddies that I met there, he got up and, talked with the microphone in front of everybody and basically said you know the poem does not go first they went for the trade unionists and then they were satisfied right like if they're gonna define protest as terrorism we're all fucking next also a zionist showed up and tried to start some shit with me um it was chanting i'm israel hi and uh when everyone just kind of stared at him for being cringe he got really sad and then went home so that was cool too i really appreciate what you guys do and uh i just to say i've emailed the show before it was right after the first time that daniel was on this show and i said matt you got to have this guy on more often and now he's the co-host it's a really

awesome show i could not think of two better people to be hosted thanks guys oh thank i love that i love that is it joe yeah i have joe to think was it joe who convinced you to i mean it was i mean i got a a bunch of emails it was like one of those things where uh there was a mass agreement on uh you know everyone's on within the listenership that you were uh the best guests and they're like he's great have him on all the time and uh my friend uh daniel jarvis uh who i've known from san francisco for years and years uh he reached out and said he should be your co-host and i was just like yeah yeah um yeah look at this i sometimes watch daniel's uh first episode again it makes me happy it is it is really a wonderful episode we're next to each other we're vibing it was cute

it was fucking cool well thank you joe for i had i had experienced a complete car breakdown on the way oh that's right to your place yeah yeah damn that's crazy oh here we go we got a super chat oh yeah we're both doing it at the same time all right samantha wiley gave us uh five pounds five quid mate oh it's four quid yeah shag mary a void i like how the british people don't kill anymore you guys invented it uh let's see uh oof so we're doing fmerer mary kill uh fetterman schumer shy davidai i mean so we have to kill um we have to we're not killing anyone in real life this is a comment about that's right a boy act in the game of fortnight now i understand why uh the what do you call it uh kill is avoid

avoid better avoid better okay so uh dang or deport yeah yeah yeah well if we're deporting there's only one guy it's only one guy that's true um yeah i think i think we would uh i would marry i would melt fetterman back down at the candle factory that he came out of of yeah i mean that's not an option but it would be fun i think uh when it comes to fetterman i'll be real with you i would marry uh john fetterman if only to see like what i could do to get him to like have i want to have a reverse stroke like i want i want him to because like you know it's like hitting a light bulb till it turns on you know sometimes like obviously the first stroke hit the light ball but turned off and now he's i'm you'rerael high but if i just like

pop up up that head a little bit maybe he'll be like oh shit what killing babies is bad um look something up here you keep going that yeah are you going to look up how to undo a stroke no i was looking at chuck schumer networth and i'm definitely marrying him because he's the closest he's this closest to kicking the bucket right i don't but listen shy shy shy well he lives dangerously it's true yeah and i and he's got security clearance and he's i think got real uh like isn't he from like a billionaire uh like arms like what is it literally he's heir to the kaja gougoo fortune sure he's uh comes from an arms producing family shout out shush shush um let's see and yeah i guess i would uh i'd

Shag Schumer Shuck Shooka Shag Schumer someone says they thought we were talking about Amy Schumer oh no it's I assume

it's curse topic curse topic yeah definitely not Amy Schumer they are related though I think they are cousins yeah yeah well we haven't really answered

the question so I would marry Schumer for that reason okay I think Fetterman having any kind of sexual activity would be very, very dangerous to his health, so I would shag him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the accelerationist tip. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literal tip. But we'd have to negotiate the position in advance, because I'm not getting under that thing. Oh, hell no. And then I get to avoid shavidavidai, which I think would be good for my health. Well, I think anyone would love to avoid him. Yes. Okay. moving on we have you'reie the gray zone is is live streaming right now as well fuck i mean

sibling rivalry there's nothing we can do about the fact we got other people live sure has on is also live streaming now list true we uh hasan is also live streaming if the clock is right yeah yeah yeah if a clock is going then he's going it's uh listen we we're we're going to do a nice solid hour 45 we're normal okay um so eat a dick listen i i i had thought about what would happen if we just did like six hours of streaming and i was like why would i do this to myself i can't think of a good reason to do it to myself just uh had what i have to talk to talk for that long I don't want to do that. I don't even want to do it now.

When we, I'm going to put it out there, double the number of patrons that we have. Maybe we'll do a fundraiser stream for a good cause. Yes, yes. Once we have enough money, then we're going to ask you for more money for good things. That's why we ask for money for good things at the beginning of every episode, because we're just like, you don't have to keep, you know, It feels bad. You feel bad.

High tide raises all boats. That's right. That's right. Okay, let's see. We've got a question from Mike. Mike writes, I just wanted to take a moment to express my deep appreciation for your podcast. Your conversations have been incredibly insightful, funny, and thought-provoking. As someone who spent the first two decades of my life in Jerusalem, served in the IDF,

and since relocated to California, I've undergone a humbling awakening about my understanding of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Growing up, I was immersed in a deeply one-sided narrative, and only since October 7th have I begun to really reckon with their realities I was once blind to.

I now identify as anti-Zionists. Your podcast has been a meaningful part of this journey, challenging me to think critically, engage with different perspectives, and sit with discomfort in pursuit of a more honest understanding. thank you for the work you do it truly makes a difference damn i i thought it was i thought it was going to be a question that wasn't a question that was a really fucking nice comment

uh i i always think it's amazing um whenever there's uh someone from israel uh who either currently lives there um uh and uh or who lives you know somewhere else who actually listens to this podcast and enjoys it um you know i i take it as a compliment to uh you know to listen to listen to something in which we're making fun of not not you personally but you're in your entire the country the way you speak the way yeah the way you speak you know using you listen to growing up everything about your cult general vibe your family your parents yeah no but i i i think you spent your youth yeah i hope that that indicates at least some understanding that you know what we're doing is not because of xenophobia against

Israelis it's because xenophobia zionophobia yes thank you thank you that's where you're scared of the little tobacco pouches yeah yeah that's right yeah I do want to say to that person is do we have a name on that that was Mike Mike um Mickey as I'm sure they call you back home. Um, thank you for that. And I want to say that if October 7th woke you up in this direction, then you must have already done some work before it. Because there's a lot of people who were in an ambivalent space and October 7th sent them way back into the upside down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, some people have heavily Dennis Millard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or Lee Kern or whatever the fuck, as we've made fun of relentlessly here.

So the fact that you were already primed to allow this calamity, which was undoubtedly a traumatic day in the national consciousness of the country you come from, to wake you up to what must have been a very uncomfortable set of truths, says to me that you must have been ready for that. So kudos to you. shout out to this great British joke hope you're not taking the Mickey I don't

you know I don't really know what taking the Mickey is but I have heard British people say it they say weird shit Hey Mickey Yeah Hey Mickey Let's see Okay

This next is a call for some advice from someone named Taiba T-A-E-B-A I assume it's Taiba My name is Taiba and I need advice I'm Muslim, my husband is Jewish and naturally our two kids are way too

politically loaded and get crazy reactions We were recently invited by some Hasidic Jewish neighbors to Shabbat. I was very surprised because I'm used to being largely ignored by Muslim and Jewish communities. Time revealed

they are Shabad so now I'm wondering do we go? I was so touched and flattered to be included but now I'm thinking I'm just the unwanted mandatory extra. We're all also staunchly for a free Palestine by the way. Hmm. Do you go to

it was a Shabbat? I missed that. Yeah, Shabbat Shabbat. I'd say go, see what it's like? What's the worst that happens? It's really uncomfortable and you learn, you know, it's disappointing. Yeah. I should go to one chab shab one chab shop have you ever been to a chab shop uh adam have you have you were you uh did you fuck with abad back in the day no the only experience i've had with chabad is when we lived in idaho uh when i was growing up uh once a year some chabadniks would come by and go like i heard you know maybe we can get some you guys yeah uh and my mom would say

you're welcome to come in for a glass of tea, but then you have to leave. And then just getting off the subway at Union Square and having them give you candles. Yeah. Are you Jewish? I love that. My stock answer to a man

in a large black hat is, sorry, cowboy, move along. Yeah, yeah. Move on, part. Thank you kindly sigh, but I am. Get along. get a long little husset yeah you know

you're gonna have to move out of these parts well now it sounds like we don't like your cash around here that's not what I mean we don't like your types around here we prefer us some reform reform reformed slash reconstructionist I don't actually know York City New York City

Salsa that's an old school commercial Oh yeah, I remember that salsa commercial Yeah, yeah Pace Chunky Salsa from New York City Yeah, those guys were great They were really excited about that Okay, so back to the question

Yeah, I would go I would go because you were invited I would go with low expectations Knowing that This is You know This organization is most more than likely a very pro-Israel uh you know it'll be a very pro-Israel

shabbat um and that's you know that's fine uh for one night and you can experience it and move on or or whatnot but uh i you know i don't know unless you don't have to go i'll say that too like if you if any of you guys are like i don't want to do this then then don't uh it it It won't be fun. But, you know, you get some free chala. You know, agree on the rules with your husband before you go. Like have there be a safe word or a signal that's time to get out of there. All right.

Let's see. I think I scroll down too much and I need to get back to more questions. Should we read out some super chats? Oh, sure. do we have super here's one you should have Kohan Killets as a guest love this side of YouTube and following

about us bar from the meeting thanks wowie all right we have a few others I don't know how to access them oh here we go I don't know who Kohan Killets is Oh you've been putting him on oh you've been putting him on okay here's one

yeah Hassan has never invented a single tomato variety he hasn't that's right he is he's not a good tomato inventor unlike us uh pro weaponry he's always carrying guns yeah he's hot i don't care i don't even care i could be that hot here's the thing if i just commit to my body for a year i'd be so goddamn hot people like you would be amazed but i don't want to you know you're just not comfortable

with that kind of power i don't want that much power i don't want that much attention i i just feel like you know i'm enough you know you want to be loved for your for your mind i want to be loved for my mind my brain box my smooth smooth brain and not just my body unlike hasan who's only looked for his body and has never said any words that makes sense thank you hilarious for uh for halea rias for the donation for the bad hasbarah musical oh yeah we got to do more music uh there's uh i've been feeling the strong pull of like you know what we haven't done in a while is uh some more music so we haven't done so we're gonna we're gonna do it um i just want to point out uh years ago the lead singer of third eye blind was a person in my life

i'm talking about stephen jenkins um and uh he was dating my friend and so all the sudden Stephen Jenkins was just someone who was around He's a very interesting His life was fully charmed? Yeah, at this point I think he's in his 50s He's fully charmed life now

Not even semi-charmed life I think he did graduate Cannot graduate And so he One time One time he looked at me I think I was eating a burrito I was like stuffing my face

And he went up to me And he said Matt, you're an Adonis. Treat yourself like that. And I realized what he was saying was like, I'm very tall and yet I don't work out and I'm stuffing a burrito on my face. And at some point, I will make Stephen Jenkins proud by doing... By lifting a weight.

One weight. Thank you. Do, do, do. Le has barabler. That's pretty good. Yeah. Oh, that is really good. Holy shit.

Let me put that on screen for, it's like Le Miserab, but Le Hasbaraab. That's good. Shout out. Okay. Let's move on to another question. This is from, let's see,

this is from Beck. BEC, not Beck Hansen. I saw the look. on your face and you were just like, Beck? That would be so sick if Beck was... Do you watch the spin again? Yeah, because I got her so many. He wants to know if you're a perdador?

Yeah. Okay. So Beck writes, I am an academic and an artist and my ears always perk up whenever art world bullshit gets mentioned. I don't quite remember if the documented 15 debacle was mentioned, but if not, I believe it was. but if not documenta is a massive international exhibition that is put on in germany every five years the past couple editions of documenta have also been plagued by a lot of controversies relevant to this

podcast especially documenta 15 which came out in 2022 the controversy revolved around a mural that well caused the german and israeli governments to react for what it's worth the work was made in a particular context, trying to metabolize living under Suharto's dictatorship. In typical German fashion, they came to the dumbest solution

to people getting upset by this mural, covering up the whole thing with a giant black tarp. The whole 60-foot mural, it was only up for four days. Given that I'm still sort of a dumbass, in parentheses, I have my master's in painting, not whatever this is. I'm

not sure what to make of it, but it seemed like a weird and interesting story from my area of knowledge that you could all help me make sense of. Sorry for the long message, all the sources, and all the sources. I am an academic after all. We actually did cover the Document 15 on an episode. I forget which one. It doesn't ring a bell for me. I must not have been there. Yeah, I don't, maybe this was early on. Maybe you weren't there. I could have covered it with Dan from Three Arrows. he this was like episode eight or something like that uh but uh yeah it is it's an interesting story so if you if you're interested in in this uh you know further reading it's it's great

it's literally just the german government doing what it usually does capitulating to any perceived slight by the israeli community um not even the community by just israelis in general in government who are just like you know hey that mural makes me feel bad for whatever reason there's an arab on there can we cover that up and germany capitulates uh yeah so look that up watch that episode it's pretty good let's see more questions more questions i'm trying to see what would be oh all right here we go um jo with a quick ask um will you do some live watch parties for hasbara films in the future like the gold one but less analytical more free flowing shit talking that's a great idea um i think the only issue with that is uh in order to live stream though

we would have to not we'd all have to like press play at the same time but we'd have to make sure that you don't see the movie because we can't live stream someone else's movie yeah we'd have to have a gentleman's agreement with the audience to start the movie at the same time as yeah yeah this is this is a problem in the as someone who is a professional podcast producer this is a problem that I run into a lot with this idea is everyone wants to do it it i think you know it's not a bad idea but it's like it's hard to do it would be fun to do that something like that live uh but even then then you have to what sit watch golda you know fucking jesus like i would watch golda so you don't have to but not you know i don't want to force you to do it um like her horse based restaurant though that she opened later with the buffet the gold corral yeah that's the one i got it i got it um hold on lee 11. Is this you, Adam? As a woman, I find Hassan's body totally unattractive. Stay the way you are, Matt. P.S., don't tell Hassan. I won't. I won't tell Hassan that

there's one woman in the world who's like, actually, muscles are gross. No, there's a lot of people who don't like muscles. You know, I don't know them, but I know there exists. okay let's see Jen asks I would love to hear thoughts on whether you think being Israeli will ever become a point of shame or a punchline in the same way that it did with Germany post-World War II

will Netanyahu slash Israel become an easy poll when a comedian wants to talk about an evil entity or as the Hezbara effectively inoculated against this possibility as someone of German as someone of German descent I would find it insane if someone was quote sensitive to criticism of Germany it's a great question well I think it's already started to happen maybe not in the mainstream but the fact that this podcast exists I mean what do we do what we have so many punchlines that are yeah rely on a kind of

assumption that right Israeliness is a ridiculous identity and yeah Is that, Matt? Adam? I just said, we're really innovators in that space. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. When it becomes mainstream, people will be able to say it started here. That's right. But, of course, one of the big, like, comedy is written by the victors in a lot of ways, you know?

Yeah, yeah, 100%. And Germany, Nazi Germany lost big time. And that regime was wiped out. And then afterwards is when. And actually, a lot of that comedy came from Jewish comics. It was a way of coping with, you know, which culminated, I guess, in, you know, the producers, springtime for Hitler, all of that. Exactly. So we'd have to see a day of looking back on the Israeli regime.

It's as long as it persists as a Jewish supremacist power that is backed by, our government it's going to you're not going to see mainstream anyone in the mainstream who wants to make it in the mainstream opting for that kind of humor because it's allied with us power so you know stephen colbert is not going to risk his late uh his late show job for jokes about Israelis whereas jokes about russians or jokes about germans or you know official enemies are official enemies are those are all okay it's also just tough because like they got the funniest guys they got rapaport they got yeah you know it's hard to go up against yeah dude i mean how am i gonna how am i going to how am i going to compete with one of

the nine writers of borat two you know those guys are fucking geniuses um yeah no i i i i completely agree with what you're saying daniel i do think that like um more and more i think uh the punchline exists uh you know like of um there's general understanding of like israel uh does war crimes and gets away with it and that's the um the assumption basis uh that you can work into material and uh that didn't used to be the case it's actually why i started doing this podcast was because um or one of the many reasons um was i was like uh i do feel like people will get it now uh because i've been you know i've been talking about this for like fucking 10 years right uh and uh but i never wanted to do a whole podcast on it because i was like no who is it for it's for like me and like 15 people in a facebook

group you know like it's just uh it's not really accessible to anyone and then post october 7th uh israel you know really obviously show you know it was mask off they showed their ass and more and more people were just like what's going on here and i was like oh i would love to tell you what's going on uh i do think that um more and more they are becoming a punchline um you know uh will they reach like germany level punchline uh i mean who who knows uh but i do think that they are you know more like i i've never met a nice uh south afric and you know level punchline what is that what is that what is that i've never met a nice someone someone in the chat will know it's uh it's a very funny like australian i think tv show

did a song uh i've never met a nice south african and uh people always are sending me that's an australian song yeah it's like an australian um like uh comedy show that did a whole song about how South Africans suck, but that was during apartheidding image, like with the puppets, is that? Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's puppets and everything. Yeah, so I, I don't know, I think more and more it is becoming sort of a mainstream punchline. So, yeah. So someone said, no, I had a South African roommate once.

I was like, well, you know, was it post-apartheid? Because that's different. Let's see This is Thoughts in dealing with family Okay Lydia writes in a question Let's see

Thoughts on dealing with folks in your life or family You are close to who are Zionists Or more broadly have strong political opinions That differ Neers very fundamentally In an ethical sense Like being Trump supporters

uh yeah i guess we've touched on this a bit uh but uh my advice is you know um come at it uh with uh don't come at it like cynically and snydly and snarkly i think most people at this point expect their all their political enemies people disagree with them um to immediately you know oh my enemy thinks i'm the devil. And so trying to come at it from, you know, a place of, uh, I don't believe you're the devil, but I have some questions about this cognitive dissonance. I think it's the only way to, um, to do it. I, I wouldn't come at it already mad. That's what I would say. Yeah, and manage your anger throughout. Try not to get riled up the, you know, the minute you start fighting, it's already done. So, uh, try and be level-headed about it. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. All right, more questions. How about this? Here's another fucking voicemail. We got another voicemail that I'm going to play, and we're going to listen to BRB. All right. Oh, Adam's gone.

What do you think he's doing? You think he's taking a piss? Not sure, but he's going to beRB. All right. Let's play this. Hi, my name is Wauter. I'm from the Netherlands. I am a Patreon subscriber. I have a question for you about how to deal with a small struggle I have. Whenever the Holocaust is mentioned, I find nowadays myself rolling my eyes and thinking, here we go again. And that kind of scares me because I know the Holocaust was very,

very real and I know the Holocaust was very, very brutal. And what I find myself thinking a lot is like okay six million jews died that is true but 11 million people died why the emphasis on jews and uh why does it have such a huge place in our history when there are so many genocides around the world that are hardly mentioned like the native american genocide and the rwanda genocide which is like a footnote in history now it seems like there's only place for the jewish genocide and the thing i struggle with is that it's scarce me to think that it feels to me like oh my god i'm becoming anti-semitic which i am not and i don't want to be so that is basically my question how how should i deal with this this feeling of the holocaust is

overdone overproduced overused over-represented why is that genocide so special when other ones are not thank you very much i love the podcast and speak to you later that is a great goddamn question great question that is a great question uh and the someone from the he said it's from the netherlands yeah yeah very very good question yeah that that is uh that's i i like that you caught that you caught the eye roll when someone mentioned the holocaust i like that and i think that is something that we uh encourage everyone to examine within themselves um you know like we We talk a lot on this podcast about the way in which, you know, Jewish trauma and the Holocaust has been used in order to, you know, bolstered Zionism, used as like a foundation for the, you know, justification for Zionist crimes. And because of that, I think what ends up happening is you end up doing that.

you end up doing the eye roll and it's you know it's hard to not feel bad when you're eye rolling about a mass atrocity um but yeah i you know um yeah daniel do you have what are your thoughts on on it's a tough one you know i am the direct descendant of survivors of that period in that place you know and the descendant of people who didn't survive it and who died in Auschwitz and I roll my eyes at this point and obviously me and the questioner have different lived experiences me having grown up with Holocaust education directed to me as a Jewish North American but also you know in the family narrative um i think it's undeniable on a factual basis that what this person is saying is has a lot of truth to it that the holocaust

has been disproportionately focused on in the in the pantheon of genocides yes that the six million human beings who were Jewish and murdered because they were Jewish in the event that we call the Holocaust, capital H, have been focused on much more than the other five million, which is much more than the 20 million Russians who died at the hands of the Nazis. to say nothing of the Germans who died in the Dresden bombing and all that kind of stuff. And I don't really know what to say about it. I don't know what the appropriate reaction is. Yeah, I agree with Matt that it's good to notice your own reaction.

Yeah. And if you notice that it's leading you towards a kind of callousness or a kind of snarky, oh, whatever, I'm over the Holocaust. Well, that's really worth questioning because people's exploitation of it, people's misuse of it to justify Israeli crimes, and a kind of unwillingness to let go of it as our special badge of unique suffering and all of the shenanigans that comes with, doesn't that kind of misuse of it? doesn't change how horrible it was and how significant and unique in some ways, not in all ways, but in some ways it was. And I think if you're noticing it and you're catching, you're asking myself, oh, is this leading me in ways that might just be

dismissive of Jewish suffering altogether? Probably means you're not an anti-Semite. because anti-Semites don't ask themselves those questions. Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I was thinking one of the reasons I like the noticing of that initial reaction once you are doing the eye roll about it is that that self-reflection I think comes from a good place, even if I would encourage you to not dismiss your cynicism when it comes to it because I do think, you know, at this point, you've learned an important fact, which is that

people are going to be using and exploiting Holocaust trauma in order to, for this genocide in Gaza. So you are well within your right to eye roll because that is, I mean, it's atrocious that people actually do that, but you see it all the time. I think that, you know, like Daniel said, if you find yourself, you know, becoming dismissive of Jewish suffering, whether it's historical or just, you know, whether it's happening now, just like, one thing to remember is, well, why do you care about what's going on in Israel, Palestine? chances are the reason you care is because you're seeing a mass atrocity done to a group of people based on their identity, their geography, their religious practices, their ethnicity, et cetera. And you care about it because it is a crime against humanity. That logic should apply to all crimes against humanity.

Don't fall into the trap of putting every, you know, historical event in the context of our current, you know, I mean, Israel's only been around for 70 plus years, you know. You don't need to do genocide power rankings. Yes. You don't need to do genocide power rankings. And you also, you know, don't allow yourself to fall into that vein of anti-Israel. like there's the anti-Israel algorithm that'll lead you down the well what happened with JFK were the Israelis involved and it's like you're you're like you're falling into an algorithm here that's going to lead you to just kind of do this grand conspiracy when everything that you know you are seeing is right in front of your eyes you don't you don't need to uh um

hate Israel more than you love humanity. You know what I mean? So in general, I think it's like, remember that the reason you care about what's going on in Gaza is because it is wrong and evil to do any kind of genocide, race-based, geography-based, whatever. And that applies to all genocides. It just sucks that that's,

the reason or used as part of the narrative to justify the genocide happening in Gaza. And you are well within your right to point that out and to question why people are bringing that up during a conversation about something else entirely. How about a light one? Yeah, a light one. Okay, okay. So from Naomi, how about? Naomi Klein? Yes, definitely. Probably. Daniel, I have to know your top five musicals. Matt, same question about musicals if you have any favorites, or TV shows, all caps. Oh, man. Well, I mean, TV shows is too easy, but let's do musicals. Adam, there's a zombie apocalypse on Earth, and you have a way off the planet to safety via rocket ship, but there's only room in the cockpit for one of the bad Hasbara co-hosts and you.

you know how to pilot the rocket ship obviously who do you take with you into space and why these are such good questions why did you get that one i want to get one the ketamine kicked in for mine for yeah the other one is just like what what your favorite color uh top five musicals uh daniel go oh god off the top of my head um Sweeney todd mm-hmm Um, Fiddler on the roof. Maybe Gypsy. Oh, I can't, I, you have to say Roma now.

Right. I'm sorry. Right, very good, very good. Um. Deserve that laugh, Matt. Yeah, that was good. That was good. Hedwig and the Angry Inch

And I'm going to say A strange loop by my friend Michael R. Jackson which won the Pulitzer a few years ago And it's a fantastic You're friends with Michael Jackson? Yep It's actually Michael is Jackson. Oh, I think it's Michael R. Jackson.

Oh, that's a, that's a great list of musicals. My top five, number one, I mean, I don't know if I have a top five. I've seen just enough musicals to be able to do a top ten list probably. I mean, no, I guess I've seen a lot. I guess I really like musicals. So I think my, in no particular order, the South Park movie, I think that's one of the funniest musicals of all time. um and uh i would say i love i'm sorry but i'm a i'm a big wicked head i really enjoyed wicked

uh and let's i love guys and dolls it's just one of those musicals that it's like a classic fedora you know guys smoke it's just like hey we're gangstas but we're singing uh but in a better way than west side story it's just like you know i don't know it's marlin brand though what you're going to do no it's it's it's there's terrific writing in this that show. It's really good. Wicked's about croquet, right? Yes, Wicked is about a sticky wicket. And then

I think, yeah, Fiddler is on there and I think my all-time favorite musical is, I'm sorry to say, it's, I don't know why I'm sorry, but it's Jesus Christ Superstar. I think that is really good. Yeah, I like Avenue Q. I like, you know, I love Book of Mormon.

You know, I like some more modern musicals. I love Le Miz, but, like, Jesus Christ Superstar, I find myself singing to myself all the time. I don't know why. It's just one of those things. It's just a do-do-da-da-da-da-do-do-do.

My mind is clearer now. At last, all too well, I can see where we all soon will be. You know, that's Judas. If you strip away. Don't, don't you hear me, Matt,

I really like the Pharisees scene, too, where they're just like, you know, what then to do about Jesus of Nazareth? Like that shit is so great. Yeah, I mean, Andrew Lloyd Webber's musicals got very over the top and ostentatious and corny as he got older, but that's some hip actual. It's pretty good.

And the fucking, if you're like someone who's a musician musician, you really like Jesus Christ Superstar, especially if you're someone who likes bass. Holy shit, the bass lines in that musical are the coolest I've ever seen. Yeah, they're very cool. Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, people like the Yvonne Elman song.

I don't know how to love him. Never been my favorite of the musical, though. I always thought like that was sort of like the, it was like the big single from it. That was the pop song, yeah. Yeah. Honorable mention for Fun Home for me. That's another musical. I don't know that one. Fun Home? Okay. Adam.

Oh, yeah. I have to zombie apocalypse. I would not take either of them. I would leave them on the launch pad and I would take my little dog string bean and if there's any room left, a good pizza oven and they can get up to 600 degrees. Oh, shit. I love that. I mean, honestly, I really appreciate. that you would, you know, not take us because I think that would... I'd want you to be devoured by the raving hordes. I'll be real with you. I would... If you offered me the ride, I wouldn't go. And not because I don't want to hang out with you in space,

but because a zombie apocalypse to me is like, finally I get to do opiates again. Like, the first thing I would do is go to CBS and just rob it and take all the drugs. take all their turkey basters dude i'm putting that turkey baster deep down in there both sides i'm gonna get spit roasted by the lot of turkey basters so that's the condition you set for yourself yes it's when you got clean straight up i was just like nah it would take a zombie apocalypse for me to ever touch this stuff again yes exactly um and i'm sorry i do like the scene in your musical when the best buy closes and they empty it out and they open a jesus christ super store thank you very much

It was a long walk to the pun, but I enjoyed the destination. Oh, God. That was just, it had to come out. I'm sorry. Let's see. I only want to say. Let's answer more questions. We have a few more.

Someone did a super chat about severance thoughts. We can't do it. I have to watch the last two episodes. We can't do severance. I'm sorry. My favorite character is Irv for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great.

All right. This is from... Do-to-to-to-to-to-do. Let's see. It's a long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll. The line of rolls 1337. with a very random ACDC joke

That is To the shop If you want a sausage roll That's really good Okay Let's see Martina from Rockaway Who may have been

One of Eric Adams Shorties in Far Rock What Is that? Eric Adams did a Did a an event a town hall in Rockaway Beach

in Rockaway and he said I used to have some shorties out in Far Rock Damn gross That's so crazy That people voted for this guy Okay I appreciated your Patreon only episode on Golda and I was wondering if there are other

films you recommend to better appreciate Hasbara or to get a better understanding of this terrible situation of the last 77 years Also if you want to give us maybe your top five or top ten book recommendations, that would be awesome. Thanks so much to all of you for the great work that you do, including

always raising money for Palestine, a Palestinian directed charities, so important. And for keeping us hogs and piggies, semi-sane in these last few months, sending my love. Thank you, Martina. Shout out, Far Rockaway, Hose.

Not that you're one. I'll answer the movie question, the documentary question. And then I'm going to go take a second bathroom break. I just did a juice cleanse everybody, so my system is flushing like mad. Yeah. I'm doing a Jew cleanse. That means I'm...

It's also flushing like man. Yeah, exactly. It means I'm meeting a lot of holla and taking fatty dumps. I'm sorry, everyone. This is who I am. But it's what I'm making. Fatty dump is an underrated Bob Marley album. Fatty dump.

Lesser-known Wu-Tang member So Well, Israelism is a good If you're looking for movies about Hezbara If you're looking for movies about Like Palestine, you should see Palestinian documentaries, five broken cameras Mm-hmm

Other ones Northern land, other ones, you know. But Israelism is good. defamation is a good one it's an interesting one yeah it's an Israeli one that that looks at the indoctrination

of Israeli kids with Holocaust propaganda the mayor is a great movie documentary too the mayor is about the mayor of Ramallah I believe I could be wrong about that yeah I believe it's

the mayor of Ramallah oh Daniel's gone I think is he taking a pee yeah okay he's doing it in the middle of it yeah so the mayor is uh it's interesting it's like um parks and wreck uh it's level um bureaucracy or like you know local government uh in romala you know like the big thing for them in this documentary is one of the things they're trying to do is they're trying to do is they're to come up with a new slogan for the city and I

want to make sure that I have this right. The mayor documentary yeah so yes the charismatic mayor of the Palestinian city of Ramallah yeah and so they're like

they're trying to come up with a new slogan for it and then they're also trying to like do this Christmas like this like citywide Christmas tree lighting the way any city does like hey it's Christmas you know obviously there are Palestinian Christians who are still there and they want to you know the city wants to celebrate Christmas very simple as meanwhile what they have to deal with is the occupation you know randomly getting their water cut off randomly getting their electricity cut off the mayor of Ramallah is is dealing with people

settlers dumping trash into, you know, like other people's yards and like all of this like vandalism and crime being done by settlers and, you know, obviously raids being perpetrated by the IDF, you know, during this. And he's just trying to do a Christmas tree lighting. It's an amazing documentary. I suggest everybody see it. um in terms of just film films about uh that are good hasbara like if the question is like what's something that is you know like funny has barra it's a good you know i don't know uh obviously there's a few movies we do want to do for uh you know movie episodes on patreon um like i'd love to do munich although i don't necessarily think munich is like bad has barra i think it has moments where it does it is doing hasbara but i also it's written by tony kushner who's a long-longstanding yes advocate for palestinian freedom yes and and he's somebody who i think just like

anyone uh you know um it's listen no one sheds all of their uh you know programming overnight you know it's always a process uh and i think in terms of a movie about um zionism and about how, you know, the state of Israel kind of, like, being almost more so, at least for the main character of that movie, is almost a father figure to that, to the main character of the movie, and then realizing that, you know, he's serving his country and not serving his family. It's like, it's good and it's deep, and it humanizes, I think, Palestinians more so than most. Stephen Spielberg, you know, or, you know, major Hollywood movies, right? So, yeah, but there's probably more. I don't know. You've got to see Radon and Tebby.

Yeah, we got to watch Radon and Tebby. I really, I am interested in how they, do they have a guy playing Netanyahu's brother in it? You know? They have Ehud Barak in a skirt in a wow moment. What? Was he like, was he undercover? Yeah. yeah and uh it was shown like as a historical document at a summer camp that i went to um like it was shown in an educational context and then there's also cast a giant shadow which i think is with john wayne um but yeah the we'll have to screen a couple of classics sometime sometime in in the next year there's of exodus too right yeah exodus is the ultimate husbarra film is the original

Yeah, we, that's the OG has bar a film. We should, we should watch Exodus. I think that's great. This land is mine. God gave this land to me. Underrated Bob Marley song. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, and in terms of a book list,

I'm just opening up my audible app right now. I'm just going to read you. Oh, there we go. Perfect Victims. I think this is something, I haven't read this yet, and I'm looking forward to it. It's crucial.

I mean, it's, if you want, I mean, I can't speak to what it would be like to be a Palestinian reading it. I imagine it would be very bracing and validating and relieving. To be a non-Palestinian reading it is to deepen your understanding of what Palestinians are dealing with when they try to speak about. their own history in the Hasbara context that we all swim in. And it's not just overt Israeli propaganda. It's just all of the racist assumptions and the long decades of dehumanization

that have turned Palestinians into, you know, have placed this burden on them. They have to be, as the title says, perfect victims. It's beautifully written. It's shockingly good writing. Yeah. And the guy is, I mean, it would be if he was any age, but he's like 25 years old. Hmm. Um, so just real quick, um, a, uh, a great book that you should read is they called me a lioness, uh, that's a head to Mimi, uh, written with, uh, Dina Takruri, who I worked with, uh, over at AJ Plus when I was, uh, when I was there, Dina's, uh, homie.

Dina is hopefully going to come on this show soon. Palestinian American journalist has interviewed all the people that I have desperately wanted to interview like Tana Hasi Coates and all that stuff. But yeah, they called me a lioness and it is a great book. You should read the-100-year-s War on Palestine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The top of the list for I think people who haven't been reading. and just been consuming content, which is fine, but read. Read is good.

I read. I treat Reed like content by listening to Read book. So I am Ken Read. I am Ken Read too with ear. I am Can Read to me, please. Yes, by David Sedaris. So, yeah, obviously the 100 Years Warren, Palestine by Rashid Khalid. listen to you can read or listen to Orientalism by Edward Said.

That is, I think, an incredible read for a more deeper understanding of attitudes towards the Middle East that might get you more dug in on understanding colonialism and, you know, really helps you fight against the, oh, Israel is doing indigenous rights bullshit. you know um it's a fascinating fascinating read um other uh ones you should read there there was a great i mean obviously ethnic cleansing of palatine ilan pape um and the you know world's biggest prison what is that uh he wrote it oh yeah biggest prison on earth also by elan pape that is uh two two great books um there is a nom chomsky ilan pape um collab book that is more just kind of a transcripts of a long conversation i'm called on

palestine uh that is great on palestine is is it really it really gets you going it's it's fantastic um and then finally what's another thing you guys should read um i mean i have a few in here i mean shit the the expanse just that whole series is great has nothing to do with Palestine but it's fucking good um and i just remembered a movie oh i love movie not a documentary oh yeah defensive scott that's also good that's great um not a not a movie sorry not a documentary but a feature film from palestine called televiv on fire or televieve is on fire it's a comedy and has some Israeli Jewish actors in it but is mainly Palestinian and it's a really funny premise

that there's a Palestinian soap opera produced in Ramallah that about like the resistance about the PLO in the 70s and it's very popular in Israel as well among Israeli Jews which there's some there's some very similitude to that because they're actually, culturally, the two, you know, entities are living right next to each other. So the apartheid doesn't completely exist. There's a lot of cross-pollination and a lot of interest in each other. And there are Palestinians who are into Israeli soap operas and vice versa. So it's this political soap opera where, you know, the Palestinian resistance is kind of glorified

and romanticized from the 70s. Anyway, this. this writer on the show has to cross through a checkpoint every day to get to work. And the IDF commander who runs the checkpoint is like a, his wife is super into the show. And he ends up leaning on the writer, putting pressure on him, basically harasses him and says, look, if you take some of my plot suggestions for this show,

I'll let you through the checkpoint every day. So it's a very, it's a very comical. And of course, it spins out of control. very comical tense but funny look and absurd look at life under occupation but also about this sort of uncomfortable dynamics between these two adjacent but totally unequal cultures so i enjoyed it quite a lot i love it well and another film by an israeli udi aloni who's a staunch anti-zionist

his mother was shulamit aloni who the the leftist politician but he's further left than she is she was a movie called forgiveness i just recommend that to you yeah well i mean those are all good hopefully you guys have some time to read and watch some movies a few more questions before we get out of here um basically teleb on fire is like bullets over broadway set in the west bank i love it yeah sounds sounds sick um all right uh so this is for from Ahman, from old blighty. I assume that's Adam Levin speak for this is someone from England. Yes.

Okay. Are there moments where you've become shout shift with it all, so obsessed with it all that you have had to stand back and take a break? I definitely have, for a time, I couldn't stop talking about it with whoever would listen and going off on rants. many of us are accused of making Palestine our whole personality what are your thoughts on that again thanks for everything you do lots of love and solidarity from the land of davie pickum fishing cheap please keep the British accents coming it cracks me up all the time oh thank you for

that I mean so yeah yeah Allah I don't know what you're talking about my whole personality inshallah no one will ever ask me that question again um Yeah, man. So I feel this completely. And I totally understand listeners and viewers of this podcast having that feeling 100%. It's like I had that feeling all the time where I am like, I got to take a break. Like I got to, you know, stop talking, stop reading and stop talking about this stuff because it is just so depressing. um and yeah i mean there's really nothing wrong with it not engaging with this shit is it is okay to not fucking like uh to do stuff that is good for your mental health like to just watch madmen you know it is it is okay to just be like i am going to not read about bad things um for a while um yeah uh there's there's nothing wrong now with me personally when it comes to this the way i try to um continue doing this is to uh through all the

bad try to find the egregiously stupid uh and the it's the only way i can make my feels myself feel better about it is by laughing at uh uh you know a lot of these monsters who deserve scorn so that's what i do and in terms of people who are accused of making palestine their whole personality that I think that is a really funny accusation because it, it shows, I mean, it's telling on yourself a little bit. It's showing how little you think about it. Right, because you're like, oh, God, I'm so, you know, you're making your whole personality. And it's like, what do you mean like online, like when I'm posting for people? Or do you mean like that's an only online sentiment to?

Right, exactly. It's, to me, it's telling on yourself that you live an entirely parisocial existence with this. person like when you say oh you know it's all because you know we're all of us living our lives in multiple modes not just in Palestine mode but it's true when people get together and you know talk about this stuff some people want to talk about it and some don't and anyone who's like you make your whole your whole personality is just genocide going on and it's like if you're going to make your whole personality something like if you're going to have a grievance I think genocide happening my money is going towards doing it is a good valid grievance you know i severance season two has

been a little slow and that's my whole personality right exactly there are people's whole personality is marvel movie that that you're you are like just anyone who's like you're making your whole personality it's like have you ever talked to a disney adult you you clearly don't know how bad personalities can get yeah uh yeah if you're going to be a fan of something a super fan of something why not be a super fan of hating that babies are being bombed every day and night right completely and i'm yeah i myself i haven't had to turn off paying attention to the news i don't i have the kind of constitution where even when the news is really horrible it doesn't it doesn't drain me in the same way I mean, some moments are worse than others.

Like when the mass bombing resumed this past Monday, that was really hard on my system because I'd gotten used to not being used to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what I did have to take a break from was the constant just posting content about it on my own Instagram, which I was at a prodigious pace for the first five, six months of it.

And getting on board this podcast has given me a more contained, organized and in many ways more I don't know more efficient way I mean I don't I mean actually that's not true my my following on Instagram got pretty big but I just the the attention on me personally was hard for was hard for my system all right and the sort of the kind of the carousal interfacing with everyone's comments and all this kind of stuff and it started to feel like it was about me and my ego liked it too much yeah the split between my ego liking all the attention and the seriousness of the topic and my relative

powerless to change anything at all or my complete powerless list. And it just wasn't as fun as doing this podcast. So I really put more on my focus on this and I found myself just I just had less and less to say in that other space. And I just kind of saved it for here. And lately I've I've dipped back into the posting on Instagram a little bit. But I don't think. I'll ever be able to do. So, you know, you've got to pace yourself and figure out what are the mediums where you can engage with this in a way that doesn't drain you in an excessive way. Yeah. You also just have to have a thing that helps you metabolize that like negativity and frustration and anger out of your system. Yes. Right. Or at least I find that I do. And you can

tell how bad things are getting in my life, uh, because I bake to, uh, to burn off that stress. and I'm looking over at my trash can full of flour and I'll tell you that in the first three months of this year I've gone through 50 pounds of flour which means things are pretty bad. Oh shit, that's a lot of flour. That's a fuck ton of gluten. I like it.

It's like a flowerometer for how shitty life is. Yes. It's just like, I got a, oh man. but yeah i you whatever you know you do to cope with this stuff um you know i i'm for it you really got to uh you know if if it means not engaging and shutting down that's that is totally valid um personally why i like this subject matter um or talking about it is because it is focused and it is focused on a fucking horrible terrible thing But there's also focus, I mean, Israel, like, I like that I can focus on this and kind of like I'm learning what's going on, you know, obviously here in the United States with the Trump administration through it and through osmosis and through like, you know, obviously I'm hearing all about the gutting of, you know, our federal government and all of this stuff.

But, you know, if I were to take in all of that news, I don't think I could handle it. I mean, it's one of those things where I just want to shut down when it comes to how. awful shit is here in the United States. And, you know, Israel, this is a subject matter that you can kind of dip into all sorts of things through it. Somehow Israel has put itself at the nexus of this current fascist moment in Western society at large. All right. I think we only have time for one more question and I feel bad I feel bad about this because obviously we got a lot of questions um so let's just let me find one next time we're going to impose a hundred word limit on question yeah yeah but shout out to everyone who you know wrote entire essays for us I I read a lot

of them let's see um I'm trying to find some good ones uh do you have any regrets about starting the podcast riz right you covered all those in the yeah i have no regrets yeah that's right we did um i'm just trying to find one more question for all of us to my wife uh drawing clothes on that Oh, this is just someone talking about their wife. Okay, here's the last thing. Tom, aka TK, wrote something for us to listen to. Wrote something for us to listen to?

Yes. So just for fun, I programmed an AI Terminator to improve the 1997 album OK Computer. which for more reasons I can no longer listen to and basically what he is writing here is that he made his own version

of Fitter Happier and I just want to share it it's trippy man so I'm going to play that Tom sent this to us here Fitter

Happier more productive What the fuck is this station from the river to the sea and the occupation cut off your man bun shave your testosterone fueled potato man beard

stop buying SUV some onion okay I just want to point out those are all direct like burns at Tom York the man bun and shave your potato face one cares about your second amendment rights

you may be assholes with a fetish for violence guns are not the solution. Free Palestine from the river to the sea and the occupation. Free Palestine from the river to the sea and the occupation. Free Palestine from the river to the sea and the occupation. A pig at the trough eating bad hasbarah. Thank you.

We should thank our moderator. Oh yeah, that's right. moderator be cat be cat be cat cool be cat you're fucking awesome i see a uh a wrench icon next to really cool's name too oh yeah oh yeah really cool they must have joined midway through you are also a moderator um and and we thank you to all the mods out there uh i hope there wasn't um you know

too many too many trolls it doesn't seem like it um Yeah, that is our mailbag episode. We're going to do another one of these. Obviously, you know, people wrote a lot of questions, and I'm sorry if you are not a Patreon subscriber and you didn't hear your question. I'm sorry if you are a Patreon subscriber and you didn't hear a question.

Here's the thing. You can always email us, and we'll try to write you back, and you can do that at bathezbarra at gmail.com. What else? Let's see. I guess, you know, I just want to thank everyone for actually watching us for this long. You have a lot of great streams you can watch instead.

Like Hassan, he's strong. Or you can, you know, not watch a stream instead watch movies. Adam, thank you. I got an email in the middle of this, my dad writing to my brother and I. He's like, what's a father to do when both sons are screaming at live screen at the same time? So, well, tell your dad that, hey, you don't often, we don't often do the live stream. So you have to listen to this. Hey, I have just a quick thing because a bunch of people have just popped in the chat saying,

can you do a cooking segment? Oh, yeah, yeah. Can I show like two pictures real fast? Yeah, show some pictures. We love pictures. All right. You know how to load those up? Yeah, yeah.

Let me just get to where I saved it. Okay, while you were doing that, I'm just going to, I'm just going to, let's see, hold on. Do not come. Do not come. I want you to come. That was fun. Okay. All right, there we go.

All right, I'm just going to flip through. I just put a bunch of my favorite recent ones. These are the fracons that I showed the dough for last time on a spoon I call that I call that second one on the left flake blatant oh yeah hell yeah dog These are blatantly flaky they're so blakey this was I wanted to kind of duplicate the cheesecake factory sweet brown bread and these are going to be my rolls for this year's Thanksgiving bread that's classic bread this is my first attempt at homemade non with a pea potato and spinach curry came out pretty nicely oh my good god

this is a vegan rioche are you going to try the stuffed non every time i may graduate to that but i want to nail my kind of like my my home kind of star recipe you know it's like uh if you say that with a british accent i'm going to stuff me non it sounds like you're going to fuck your grandmother this is a vegan brioche I made recently that here's a tip substitute seltzer water for the egg it works great really yeah these are two sheets of almond sponge cake that I baked that went into this almond sponge and pistachio mascarpone cream tiramisu my god dude People listening to this on the podcast version are missing.

Yeah. Some visuals and a half. Yeah. I dig some roasted garlic. I, I spread this out into a sheet, freeze it, and then cut it into squares so you can just pop really tasty garlic confi into everything and makes everything better. Dude, I want to eat that shit like skittles. And then this is the last one. This is, I made this yesterday.

I started baking bread at the top of the pandemic. and yesterday's was the first time that I felt like I got what I had been trying to go for the entire time I've been baking. So this is the high point of my bread baking. This is five sets of stretches 30 minutes apart. It's a sourdough pan to camp pan, and I'm very, very proud of it. You should be. You should be proud. that looks incredible oh my god oh see this is why i mean that was incredible i this is why i don't

understand streams like that that are long like am i supposed to do they eat do people eat on their streams you have to watch someone stuffing their face because like i'm going to go end this stream and eat and then i have the rest of my friday to fucking just stuff my face i don't know why i would keep streaming um but watching that stuff makes you want to eat makes me want to get baked hey hey look at us having a good time um guys thank you so much to everybody out there um who have been watching and supporting this podcast for um you know a year now over a little over a year and um the shout out to all the patreon uh subscribers and the super stickers and people who have donated to, I mean, you know, subscribe to our Patreon and also people donated to the different

charities that we put at the top of the show. Shout out to the mods over at the, you'll hear these mods, but also over at Reddit, R slash Bad Hasbara. Shout out to, you know, Edo, the reliable, who helped me with the music at the end of the pod and Dogman pizza party. Shout out to fucking Daniel Matee, who uh, you know, uh, is my co-host and brother for life and, you know,

uh, and shout out to producer Adam Levin, uh, for, for producing and for making great bread. Uh, I, I love all you guys. Um, what if I just kill myself, right? I just shoot myself in the head.

That's funny to me. Don't do that. I'm not going to do it, Matt. but it's just like it's there's something about like that it's just a very funny punchline to me um but yeah thank you guys seriously from bottom of my heart i love all you guys and uh we'll see you uh next week uh for a regular ass episode of bad hasbara and until next time from the river to the sea anyone can take this anyone can take this the worst of today's jokes were attributable to me ah stop All right, bye, everyone. Push-ups was us. Godmaga, us, all karate us, taking Molly us, Michael Jackson, us, Yamaha keyboards, us, Georgia makes not us, Andor was us, Heath Ledger Joker, us, endless friends like us. Happy Meals was us, McDonald's was us, being happy us, Bequem yoga us, eating food, us, breathing air us, drinking water us, us, drinking water, us, drinking water, us,

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