Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - Bonus Episode: Greg Stoker from the Global Sumud Flotilla

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

In a special episode, Matt and Daniel are joined from Tunisia by Greg Stoker, where he is part of the Global Sumud Flotilla. This interview was recorded early in the day on September 8, 2025, before the drone strike on the flotilla's "Family Boat" in Tunisian waters.Please donate to the Gaza City Flour Fund: http://bit.ly/gazaflourfundJoin the patreon at https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraBad Hasbara Merch Store: https://estoymerchandise.com/collections/bad-hasbara-podcastFollow the Global Sumud Flotilla at https://www.instagram.com/globalsumudflotillaFollow Greg Stoker at https://www.instagram.com/greg.j.stoker/Get tickets for Francesca Fiorentini, Matt Lieb and friends with Daniel Maté October 13 in Brooklyn: https://bit.ly/mattfranbellhouseSubscribe to the Patreon https://www.patreon.com/badhasbaraWhat’s The Spin playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/50JoIqCvlxL3QSNj2BsdURSubscribe/listen to Bad Hasbara wherever you get your podcasts.Spotify https://spoti.fi/3HgpxDmApple Podcasts https://apple.co/4kizajtSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/bad-hasbara/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Taco salads us Pothalamos us Olive Garden us White foster us Zabrahamas As far as us and welcome to Bad Pesba. It's the world's most moral podcast and it's a bonus episode.

I'm so excited. This is a special one. This is special because we have somebody who is great. I don't know. Somebody who is doing something. Doing something other than podcasting. Wow. Yes.

Listen, we of course are proud of every single one of the guests that we have had on this podcast. we think they are all very special. But this one, along with one other, because we have two who have now done this, oh, actually three, three who have now done the flotillas. Two who are currently. Yes, two currently, one previous. And right now we are talking with one who is right now just landed in Tunisia.

By landed, I mean, you know, do boats land? And they, they, what do they do? They dock. They dock. So someone who has docked in Tunisia currently and was like, I have just enough time to talk to my boys at the bad-hast-bar podcast. Yeah, we're doing a little. You've seen walk-and-talk. This is a dock-and-talkie.

Yeah, doing a little docky-talkie, you know. And so we are very, very proud to be talking with our dear, dear friend, Greg Stoker. Uh-oh. Greg? Oh, there he is. Thank God. Oh, no, I'm here. Yeah, he's in.

We're dealing with, oh, no. Sorry, we're dealing with some, like, some Tunisian internet connections. So, thanks for having me on. Let's, let's dock and talk. Let's talk and talk. This is great. I'm, you know, I expected maybe a little bit of lag, maybe a little bit internet connectivity issues, but I'll say right now,

You're looking good. Everything is, everything is all worked out. Greg, how's it been going? How long have you been doing this? How long were you on the flotilla before you got to Tunisia? Okay. Well, you know, praying for, you know, good weather and lack of lag on this interview. I'll say that we landed in Barcelona like about a week before launch.

So we launched on the 31st, had a 24-hour weather stand down because, you know, there was a problematic weather pattern off the Mediterranean. So I've been learning a lot about the Mediterranean basin and how to sail it. Apparently, there's something called catabatic winds that happen when the temperature differentials come down off the mountains and they blow a bunch of wind into the Mediterranean and it causes like storms and people to throw up and face plant into the deck, which is what I, which is what happened to me. I'm going to ask.

It sounds very specific. I don't throw up. But anyways, yeah, we landed in Barcelona, did about like a week of training and then launched. And then we did about a seven-day crossing from Barcelona to Tunis to link up with the Tunisian element of the global Samud Fortilla. There's also one coming out of Genoa in Italy. And then we're all going to wait and go together to meet the friendlies, the friendlies in the Eastern Mediterranean and try to establish a humanitarian corridor from Gaza to the wider Mediterranean. invasive.

Getting some of that famous Levantine, modern Levantine hospitality. How many boats in total, Greg? So we launched with 22 first, from the first launch point in Barcelona. And then there's more here in Tunis. There's more coming from Italy.

We don't have a number. Some of them will not be seaworthy. Others will break down mid-voyage due to mechanical issues. So whatever number we leave with ain't going to be the number we're arriving with at all. Of course, this is a large complex naval maritime operation that has been in the works for two months, which was zero planning time, zero time for logistics. But we are witnessing the final solution being enacted in Gaza. And this was like the last chance to sail because a lot of the ships are under sail power.

And you can't really sail the Mediterranean safely after September. So it was either like, launch now, have a massive logistical and administrative shit show, which is, you know, what we're dealing. with because, you know, we don't have military infrastructure. We don't have a tax base with to allocate funds to naval contingency plans and to get the best boats and the best, you know, equipment. That's just not part of it because we were having to literally do the jobs as a bunch of civilians, not part of any like hard and fast organization to do the jobs that our governments should be doing. So yeah, there's a lot of hiccups. It's chaotic. Coming from a military background, I thought it was going to be a whole lot worse.

It's not. It's actually going to work out. And we will be able to launch. I love it. You're like, listen, I was in the U.S. military for a while and we're way more fucking disorganized. You guys are pretty good compared to us fucking dumb asses. My mind is filled with all kinds of logistical questions.

And I don't want to preempt the why of the thing too much by getting into the weeds of the how. or the kelp shall we say i don't want to get into the kelp but i do want to ask you like so you have all these boats sailing next to each other how close are they how close it's safe to be together who's managing distance how like how just can for for for lay people for for landlubbers like us yeah yeah we're land lovers can you land lubbers with the it's love this whole time it's Lovers? Yeah, land lovers, yeah.

Yeah. You love, you know, you love on the land. You love the land. You just love it. I love it so much. How do the fuck, how does it work? Can you give us some insight into some of the logistics, some of the protocols? Yeah, I mean, without going to like specific protocols or operational planning, I mean, you know, because everything the Flotilla does being monitored by like Western and Israeli intelligence agencies, we can talk about like the, I know. That's who asked me to, oops. Oh, no.

Oh, no. Well, first of all, every flotilla in the past years has been, like, infiltrated by the Mossad. Like, we already know that's going to happen. That's incredible. And I want to hear at some point all of those stories. Yeah. I mean, okay, yeah, they've all been infiltrated by foreign actors before. But anyways, we are going to try to hold a formation.

It's tough because, again, we're not, like, a military. We don't have the infrastructure. Every boat is different. Every boat has different displacement, different size, different motor capacity, different sales. So it's actually hugely complex, and we're doing the best we can, and it's going to work out in terms of holding formations and stuff. Well, sorry, someone was calling me in and turn on, do not disturb. Again, my phone's getting blown up. But in terms of all that, yeah, we'll figure it out.

Don't say your phone's getting blown up, you know, at this point. that's too close to home dog someone with a beeper in their bio will clip that and be like you know ever since i started posting that i was on the the flotilla i've had so many beeper bios on x commenting yeah they're really there's nothing i think more sociopathic than being the beeper bio guy because it's like no you know the i don't know the ribbon or the Israeli flag people are they're, they're all right, but they're not like bloodthirsty enough. You know, I, I'm going to put a beeper on just so people know I like when kids die.

Does Hillel fold or food? Does he have a beeper on his bio? I don't know. He's got beeper bioenergy, but I don't know if he's, uh, Hillel food or fold, whatever the fuck his name is. Um, so you guys are going to try to, uh, hold a formation. Is the reason behind the formation, like, what is the reason behind that? I assume a formation means like in, you know, ships next to each other,

sort of like giant, like those giant military squares from Napoleon days, but with boats. Oh, my God. Man, have you ever seen like a picture, an aerial view of like a U.S. fleet? Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. So hopefully we're a little bit more advanced than a Napoleonic square. also water. Those were good squares, dude. Those were great squares. Those were really good squares. They actually did pretty good for a while. Yeah, they're actually for repelling cavalry, but if we don't need to get like super nerdy about like, you know.

I know, but I mean, in the ocean, there's... My reference point is the board game battleship. So that's what you're dealing with here in terms of naval familiarity. It's all battleship, but no, because we want to arrive all the same time because that has the, the best chance of running or breaking the blockade. Here's the deal. The Israeli Navy is very small. They're the 49th largest or smallest Navy on the planet. They only have 60 vessels.

I mean, I've run threat assessments and stuff, and it's really impossible to do, actually, because they're a rogue actor. So who knows what they're going to do? Sorry, I just saw the comment from producer Adam. Always nice to come at the same time. does. Yes. So, fuck. Okay. Um, backing up. Yes, they have 60 vessels, five or seven.

Nothing can stop this flotella, except Adams come jokes. Our resolve, our smooth is unbreakable. But if you make a joke about satimilatineous orgasm at the bottom of the screen, we might just forget what we're doing here. Come on, Greg. Focus. Yeah. So some, some are going to be tasked out to the Persian golfer subs, an entire patrol to attachment is tasked out of the port of i lot so they're in the red sea they're out of play then they have other patrol vessels along the coast of cyprus along the coast of syria and lebanon to interdict like smuggling operations so we don't know they only have 45 patrol boats in their entire navy and those are vessels that have like 12 to 20 people well that kind of explains ben gavir's

recent comment uh about the uh terrorists doing the uh samud flotilla because he actually mentioned wanting to I guess what is it called when you seize a boat and turn it into a navy boat impound impound common deer it's common deer yeah once look at all these Navy terms we're learning on this episode guys I like it

I'm learning I feel like a Navy man well it also feels very like Baltimore Police Department coded like we got dope on the table we seized you know, we seized 200 Palestinian flags. We seized 40 boats. Yeah, exactly. You know, they now belong to us. They're going to do a press conference,

and it's just going to be a bunch of kaffirs that people got mail ordered. And they're going to be like, we did it. And next to like some like pretty good records. But like, so just to real quick read this story, this is Greta Toonberg to be imprisoned. This is from Israel Haim, the newspaper, that is, you know, it's a newspaper. Very balanced. Very balanced, very fair.

Ben Gavir's plan for the Gaza Flotilla. So in this article, they write, a detention under terrorist conditions and converting ships into a police fleet, the strategy of the national security minister, It's Amar Ben-Gavir, for the members of the largest flotilla, scheduled to reach Gaza shortly.

So that's optimistic. This is going to take a minute. Yeah. Well, when do you think, Is there a plan as to when, or a prediction as to when you think you're going to get there? Yeah, but, you know, any number of things can happen. We could be delayed in port. We could be scattered by a storm and have to reconstitute the fleet at a rally point.

You know, we could have like a command ship undergo like massive mechanical failure. And that would add a couple days. So, yeah, I mean. We don't know yet. We don't know yet. um should be in a couple weeks that that that that crunch time happens but give or take some days it it feels i mean i'm wondering what the morale is like or just what the vibe is i'm sure it's all over the place but but like if i'm just thinking of like the fellowship of the ring like

because like talking to you like you're like the race of men you know like men u.s marine or u.s. special forces veterans or whatever you're in you know you know the kind of a kind of Aragorn kind of vibe and then you got... Well, to be fair, Ergarn was actually... He was half elf, but go on. Oh, okay, I didn't realize that. That's true. He's Sildura, yeah?

Yeah, that's right. Then we got Tyg, who's clearly some sort of elf-ent creature, some kind of hybrid or something. Like, you got... And all these different people from all over the world, like, is there a sense of just a coalition of unlikely fellows

banded together for one common cause yeah how's the vibe okay well the vibe is well I'll start I'll start by explaining the vibe addressing you know Edomar Ben-Gabir is threats very reasonable

comment as you know as per usual so yes apparently we're all going to long-term terror prisons in order to deter future flotillas from coming and the reason and of course like Ben Gavir I would like to remind him that he's the only person in this conversation who's been convicted of supporting terrorist organizations but we're going to put that stuff good um yeah he's a gas bag is full of hot air I'm not going to worry about that until like Trump or like puts out a statement and the the Israeli Knesset and government

puts out a statement about that so yeah he doesn't have to worry with that he comes from a stand your ground state in Florida meaning meaning Israel oh yeah yeah stand no stand on someone else's ground yeah stand their ground stand their ground yeah

stand their ground yeah so yeah basically here's here's the deal we're leveraging kind of the information operations we're running to protect us

you know Israel's in a bad rhetorical position right now on account of you know, the genocide and mass starvation and just being a, just being a general bunch of assholes that are deeply unlikable. And so, like, what would that look like from an information perspective if you, if you imprison a bunch of activists doing something that's actually protected under international law, not like it means anything, but it's a good talking point to be able to mobilize.

And, you know, these threats are not coming from a place of strength. Yes, they have military, they have the, they have the, they have the, ability to kill. But like when you're, but when you're one of the biggest existential threats, uh, to your state is a 22 year old autistic activist that you're like weirdly obsessed with. It doesn't spell like longevity for the rest of the project. Like, yeah, they're like, threat of sunburn needs to be locked in a terror dungeon. And the reason I got on board with this flotilla and I kind of got on board last minute and I scrambled to make a veteran's boat for the flotilla. So I'm leading the vets vote.

So there's eight other veterans, U.S. veterans, supported by veterans' organizations like About Face and Veterans for Peace back in the States. And we're also part of the information war because like what happens if you are going to throw up like eight veterans who are supported by these massive veterans organizations back in the States into a terror dungeon? So like what are they actually going to do? And they're a rogue actor. So they will try to interdict everybody.

they might not have a capacity to do it. I'm concerned about a lot of the messaging that I want to do, especially from the veterans boat when I do interviews. This is obviously a friendly interview. I'll be doing adversarial interviews next week. We can get adversarial. Oh, yeah. Okay, if you want to throw it down, we can workshop it.

But I definitely like anything can happen, right? So anything from interdictions to letting us go, to letting aid be delivered on the Gaza shore, and then doing something like a drone strike saying that it was Hamas, Hamas taking control of the ship. They've done things like this, like even last year with the World Central Kitchen Convoy, where the World Central Kitchen had a convoy three trucks, all white with the logo on top of the trucks, so the drone operator that shot the Hellfire missiles into them could see World Central Kitchen. And obviously they were coordinating their communications and GPS location with the Israeli military.

So it was not in any realm of possibility a mistake. take, they killed them so that this would never happen again. So speaking of it never happening again, World Central Kitchen made sure that Israel knows that if they do that kind of thing, their founder will absolutely pose for pictures with Isaac Herzog like last month. Yeah. Like he's still like in terms of Israel not facing consequences. But you're planning for this interdiction, and I have two related questions.

One is, do you think Israel is already? not to give them any ideas, but do you imagine that they're going to apprehend or they would want to apprehend all of you guys en masse? Or they already, do you think, planning to divide and conquer in terms of, okay, we got some veterans over here. Because I remember when Chris Smalls was test, or reporting back what happened to him in Israel, like definitely it took him and dealt with him in a very separate way from other people on the basis of skin color, you know, and the basis of the fact that he was an American black man. Right. It seemed to be a very clear, if not a strategy, but that was their sort of gut reaction. Like, do you expect

that you'll get equal treatment or some kind of strategic discriminated treatment? And then my second question is, and you can take them in either order, I saw a video that Ty Hickey put out and he was saying very sincerely, he said, guys, I'm going through extensive training right now on these boats. We're training ourselves on how to react when we get there and if we get interdicted and he's having to train himself out of making jokes and out of being sarcastic and out of being flip and out of really being himself like all the things he's always doing he's so full of sarcasm and quick wit and all that it just would not be appropriate are you gray having to train yourself out of like looking an israeli occupation officer in the face and being like you guys

aren't shit your operational uh your your your your fucking method of operations is is outdated your cowards like on all of the great military analysis that you do do knocking them down to size like you do in a lot of your videos they're free to go through my my social media and podcast uh catalog if they choose they want those critiques in i will not be treating them like ice officers in my community no um absolute silence is is key uh i we're all going to be interrogated individually and it's just lawyer up where's my lawyer we have lawyers on standby legal support both domestically and and in 48 and and in Jordan. We're taking this very seriously. Yeah. And we have an entire stance of nonviolence.

We are our humanitarian convoy trying to establish a humanitarian corridor into a population being actively annihilated. So that's it. And I have nothing to say to any IDF officer or soldier that they can't get through legal means. Basically, my position is I, when I was in special operations, I was a field interrogator. And the second you talk and you engage in conversation, you put yourself more and more and more at risk

in order to say something and not keep track of what you're saying. So the best thing I do is just not say anything at all. And they'll try to talk to you, like be your friends like, oh, where in America are you from? I'm from like Queens. Like, oh, you lived in New York too?

It's like, dude, no. Like, don't say anything. there's uh yeah so trying to be your friend you know we've all done that that would be really hard for me i'm going to be like 100% real with you the idea of me just being completely quiet as i've oh god it would just be it would be too much for me i i think i mean shit like i've i've told this story before but i i was told specifically not to make any jokes when i went on birthright to the LL security people and I and I did because I thought that I thought they would think I was funny and I almost didn't go on the trip because of it so you know uh it and you know me I'd be

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We would be bad, bad flotelan members. Yeah. Well, you know, they'll try to get you to turn on each other. Yeah. You try to get you to turn on each other, you know, exploit people, you know, basically get you to sign things that may say stuff like, yes, this was financed by Hamas. Or like, we were forced into this by the organizers and we're here against our will and, you know, just to discredit the effort as well. So that's just not to engage. But, you know, there are three different points of sabotage that we are looking at.

You know, there's bureaucratic. sabotage at the port. You know, there was a lot of pressure in Spain against the Spanish government to pull flags from the ships so they can't sail in international waters, bureaucratic warfare to like deny ships of their insurance so they can't sail, closing down the harbor. It didn't work. The Spanish government wasn't having it. Now Herzog, we brought up Herzog earlier. He flew to Rome to ostensibly visit the Pope to talk about and to. anti-Semitism, but this is one of the major launch points from Italy for the flotilla. So we saw like a rise in diplomatic and bureaucratic warfare through the Italian government once he

was in Rome a couple days ago. But it seems like the launch is going to work out. So yes, bureaucratic warfare is a big part of this. Tunisian government isn't messing with Israel. They're just like, go away. We're launching. So that's cool. Isn't the dark workers in Genoa kind of flex their muscle a little bit to resist?

They said they shut down, they said they shut down Europe if, you know, they lose contact or communications with the float solo. Yeah, like every 20 minutes or something like every, if we lose contact for more than 40 minutes, I believe, or 20 minutes, then we will go on full strike, full work shutdown, which I was like, that is, that is so badass. That's totally bad. Yeah, it's like something out of speed. Because it's going to happen. Like, every time they're going to jam. all of our communications, sat-sat-com, satellite communications is going to go down, VHF, radio traffic is going to go down, and satellite Wi-Fi is all going to go down.

So, yes, we will lose contact, the world will lose contact with the flotilla, most likely, because that's what happens every time. And they have the capacity to jam all of our commo over the area, even if it's a wild and they'll be doing it in international waters, which is also illegal, but, uh, anyways, Um, so that was the bureaucratic aspect. Now we're about to go for the actual last leg of the journey. Um, and what's going to happen there is intense psychological operations. So what does that look like? That looks like Ben Gavir saying out of pocket shit. Like we're going to terror prisons. But like they might actually start like making government statements. Um, making government. I keep getting distracted. Not today, Adam. Not today. Was it going on, though? Go ahead. So anyways,

yeah, so they might, like, even release videos, like, showing, like, he, these are the prison cells you're going to get put into, you know, like, clearing out, like, these terror dungeons. It's, like, this is where these activists are going to go to, like, doing stuff like they do in Gaza to journalists, where they have, like, an intelligence officer, call the journalist and, you know, start threatening him, his family. we might see like doxing any number of things government pressure you know to try to find out like if they have any dirt on them yeah stuff like that yeah you know operations uh to include you know maybe even parking a navy destroyer off of you know the float employers escort us in so every day you're looking at a Navy destroyer right off the flotilla on the horizon

just as a massive threat. Yeah. Are you... Are you worried like, are you worried about possible violence popping off?

Like, is that something that, you know, because when I think of flotillas and I think that's true of anyone who's, you know, been in the Palestine Solidarity Movement for a while, you think about you know Israel

doing murder to flotillas you know you think about the I forget what Mavi Marmara yes I forget what year it was

but yeah they yes and they don't have you know obviously a track record of giving a shit about what the international community

thinks about anything that being said it does seem like at least so far, the past flotillas that have, you know, been, you know, what did we call it, taken, the ones who have gone in and they've arrested everyone, so far it seems like they have yet to just decide, fuck it, we're going to shoot up a flotilla. But are you still concerned that violence might break out? Well, again, I've tried to run a construct, you know, for the security council like a threat assessment but they're such a rogue actor like i've never had to do this even when i was

doing them in the military in a capacity in my special operations um who knows what they're going to do do they have enough assets to interdict all these ships no maybe not so what happens if they can't do that are they going to drone strike them on the open water probably not it would probably happen on the shore and they probably wouldn't they might not even drone strike the actual ships they might just drone strike the people who collected the aid and were taking it back to the rally point where the aid is going to be distributed. So, and claim that they were Hamas. And then they could say like, oh, but like the flotilla gave that to Hamas. So like maybe we need to kill the flotilla members. Like nobody really knows. So what we're trying to do is like call out these military actions that

they can take in interviews, in the media to kind of preempt them and to make them politically non-viable to do because like that's really our only like weapon or source of cover it's like you guys giving a shit and talking about it and pressuring local representatives because we don't have military support

we don't have financial support and we sure shit don't have diplomatic support because guess who guess who are like consul it is Mike Huckabee. So like when we get we get wrapped up we're going to have Mike Huckabee just like whatever

Yeah, you have the U.S. diplomats in the area calling, you know, Middle Eastern culture animalistic and shit like that. So you are, you are actively calling out potential, preemptively calling out potential Israeli plans to violate you and violate international law. If you don't want to, if you don't want me to finish the sentence to say so, because I've had a thought, I've had a thought about a very diabolical thing they could do. and this is not a joke and I don't want to give them any ideas but would it be all right if they're already happy ideas that's sick twisted dudes

okay it would be to allow you guys to make it to shore and then to stage with the help of collaborators let's say an attack

Abu Shabha that seems to be coming from Hamas or Gaza Or worse, just they're gauze and people, right? And then they can say to the world, you see? You see? Yeah. I mean, I wrote a couple paragraphs in my position when I was coming up with notes for a threat assessment.

It was like, yeah, they would mobilize their paid state thugs, their intelligence assets like the Abu Shabob game, gang to do just that, to masquerade us, to like execute some activists, do whatever. And that's something that they could do. Obviously, that would fall apart within days under scrutiny. But like, do they care? Right. It's never stopped them before. Like, the idea of scrutiny a few days later is always like they've moved on to a new war crime. They don't care.

Right. And so, yeah, it's easier to hide behind 100 atrocities than a couple. And they're really good at creating hundreds of atrocities. So, yeah, we don't really know, again, the bottom line is, We don't really know what's going to happen. But, yeah, we're going to keep assessing and responding to information in a dynamic battlefield environment. One of the ways we can kind of interpret what they intend to do is through all their Hezbarra. You know, if their messaging changes into a more like violent posturing against the flotilla,

and we see a lot of things like, oh, they're giving aid to Hamas. They are Hamas. And if they start doing that kind of thing, we'll obviously put out like press statements and stuff like that. but that kind of means they're kind of trying to manufacture consent in order to kill us on the global stage. And there have been a couple of other concerning things that the U.S. has been doing as well. You know, a couple days ago, the U.S. Navy destroyed a boat, a speedboat coming out of Venezuela with about 11 people on it. And they said it was a drug boat. Look, I never did narcotics operations in the special operations community, but I got the briefs and did the stuff.

and we ran training exercise. No drug runner is going to have 11 dudes with them. Right. It's going to be like two for security, you know, one leader, and then a guy driving the boat. Besides which, those boats were not equipped to go more than 100 miles. Right. You know, those things were not going to make it anywhere. And the U.S. does not have the right to bomb boats in Venezuela.

Yeah. It was most likely migrants or it could even have been a pleasure cruise. But what it was is a dog whistle to be like to all the other Christian nationals like, You know, we can kill immigrants, okay? You know, this is our, this is our legitimization cell, and we're doing it, instead of using terrorism, we're using, you know, drugs or, you know, cartel. And the problem for us, the problem for us is that governments learn from each other and they empower each other. So, like, Israel's, because of its actions has empowered the U.S. to, like, act with impunity on the home front,

because that kind of violence has already been normalized. And now we're normalizing, striking ships in international waters. And Israel is going to look at that and be like, oh well these could be migrants they could be running arms to hummus so it's like all these like fascist governments are coming together to just be even worse than they already were so that's another concern too it's like how will the u.s respond how is the u.s. empire empowering the Israeli defense force to act with even more impunity towards civilian non-military vessels even in the next yeah in the next few weeks we're going to see Israel like rushing to reclassify infant baby formula as a as a dangerous narcotics right yeah exactly yeah as soon as you know you know or you know or the accelerant for an explosive right right yeah um are let's see so you are currently in in tunis um this is sort of your version or the flotilla version of shore leave um so are are you guys partying no I wanted to but, like, there's just too much stuff to do.

I mean, you know, I really wanted to do. Yeah, I have been sober for like two weeks. Oh, man. That's got to be. I'm a very big, like, work hard, play hard guy, but no, no, this is going to, you go. It'd be funny if that was just the thing.

Gonna have to raw dog life all the way to gossip, baby. If it was sort of a thing in the streets of tuna, it's like in New York, we have Fleet Week, and we just expect that it'd be drunk sailors. Oh, it's Flotella Week again. The activists are here, okay. Oh, great. All of our coffee shops are going to be filled with dour influencers.

Sitting at their laptops, trying to get a signal to talk to podcasts back home. But speaking of media and speaking of the global stage, Greg, you said that you're gearing up for some adversarial interviews. How much interest do you have from the mainstream media that has been studiously ignoring this shit and or laundering it? And what is your strategy to penetrate the indifference or the apathy of those media or the or the hostility? So we don't have any adversarial media on the books. You know, there's a lot of eminent media people and seasoned journalists attached to the media team for the Global Submood Flotilla. I'm kind of like one of the points on adversarial interviews. As far as I know, like Fox News hasn't reached out or even like neoliberal media like CNN.

But if it happens, you know, I'm ready for it. It's like, why, you know, just stupid questions that they'd asked to, as you say, Wander, like, why are you giving aid to Hamas? And, you know, my response would be like, well, you know, you know, seeing that Israel has a long and storied history of executing foreign aid workers and aid workers within Gaza, we really appreciate your, your attempt to manufacture consent to kill us when the global summit flotilla is simply a humanitarian exercise to deliver gate. aid to a starving population, half of whom are chilled. You know, so just like working on, like, talking points for adversarial stuff as well. It does sound like it does, it did just sound like you said, to deliver gay aid. So I want to give you an opportunity to clarify, is that what you meant? Is the aid gay?

Are you trying to make the Palestinians? Well, we are trying to turn the frogs gay. Okay. And follow up. We're delivering gay. Isn't that a little bit like chickens, for KFC. Shout out to BB Netanyahu for the great jokes. Yeah, I mean, it seems like the amount of press coverage so far on the flotilla has been from mostly independent media and

not from, you know, institutional media in general. Is there, is, I don't know, is there in some way, I know there's more plans to make more of these flotillas and have more of these trips happening. How many of the people that you've been, like, have you met everyone? Is there like a big meetup with everyone at, you know, in Tunis where you guys are going to in-person coordinate or is everything done offline?

There's just too many people. I mean, I know names. I know people that have different areas of responsibility, but there's just too many people involved. There's literally 100, like, 1,000, over 1,000. That's crazy. I guess what I want to know is, have you met the guy who plays the Onion Night on Game of Thrones yet? Because I know he's on one of the flotillas.

Oh, Liam, Liam is not, Liam is not on the flotilla. Oh, he was just here to see us off. He was going to send off, yeah. Yeah. Have you met Tyke yet? He's pretty cool, too. Yes, I met all the Irish guys. I met them back in Ireland.

when I went through there, like, earlier last year. So, yeah, sure, yeah. No, they're good lads, you know. Probably best that the boats are separate, but it was good to meet them. I can't keep up with them. All the, okay, all the friggin' influencers like tag and, you know, they got the posh, like, yacht boats, okay? The vet boat literally doesn't even have bowel thrusters,

so we can't even dock without assistance. The bet boat has like five beds for 12 of us, which is fine. You know, everyone is on rotation. And the kitchen's tiny. And we get tossed around like a rag doll. So when he, you know, that bald Irishman has the odd death complain about how he has to wash his clothes with seawater. Shut up. You hear that tiger being called out.

We're going to start like internal fighting between flotilla guys. Class war. Class more among the flotilla boats. That's right. Yeah, motorverse sailboats, okay? Well, I mean, it's truly like watching you and Tyg and just people we know like doing this has been inspirational in a way that like I can't fully express because, you know, part of me feels a little bit of, you know, envy because I was like, oh, man, I wish I was there. And then also part of me feels just, I don't know, I swell with pride seeing you guys doing this,

especially since it is so dangerous and it is, you know, so fraught with a fucking, you know, you're dealing with a wild card state. So, you know, seriously, like a scoyach to you and Mazeltov. Yeah, something I've never said sincerely because I'm always asked to say it by people whose agenda I don't want to support, but literally thank you for. your service yeah yeah yeah i will accept that now um i feel like this is the actual only service

i've really done the whole military thing was uh dozy i'll just to just to leave it at that so i mean it's kind of like what we should have been doing as a as a as a military you know rendering aid upholding democracy um yeah all right we're going to have to have a serious talk you say that I'm fucking the stool. Is that what you're saying? Is that what we're doing a... This is a very serious interview we're doing with a real activist. Do you see John Marco Serresi on this screen?

Yeah, no. He is the stool fucker. He fuck stools. I conduct serious interview. Yes. Yeah, it is very cool. We don't want to take up too much of your time because we know you're one of the media leads for your flotilla.

So, you know, we know that you have other media outlets to talk to other than us. So we just really appreciate you actually talking with us. Any final thoughts? And what can our listeners be doing to support you guys? Yeah. What's most important for us out here? Basically amplifying the message that this is a humanitarian convoy doing something that's protected under international law.

Because what we're going to see over the next two weeks is absolutely gnarly psychological operations geared towards the fleet about mass imprisonment. you know again calling captains doxing people parking warships off the flotilla basically using the threat of force in international waters which is illegal but you know israel's an extension of the u.s empire and the u.s empire just killed a boat full of 11 people we don't know who they were but they probably weren't drug runners because that's not how drug runners do things um so you know this is a pretty dangerous time and we i think our only protection is your guys is support and activism in support this in the imperial core inside the united states and other european countries yeah so whatever you guys

can do uh and when we get interdicted we would love if you just blow up your congressional and senate representatives that'd be awesome uh blow up as in contact them up in emails emails guys phone calls you guys i'm certain that uh the department of homeland security understands slang we want you to explode the number of daily emails they get yeah yeah yeah that'd be cool yes we're very we're just talking about texts and beepers just kidding uh Greg notifications notifications um great thank you so much for uh you know taking time out to talk to your old buddies at bad as bar we really appreciate and appreciate everything you're doing out there yeah thanks for having me on and we will keep you posted every day and you can follow the uh the flotilla at on instagram that's their

primary account at global samud flotilla you can follow me i'm at gregg dot j dot stoker on instagram i'll also be collaborating on a lot of posts with them uh yeah i won't be doing episodes on my own podcast or on midpress news until this is over with so only on social media will you get updates okay we'll follow him on social and we'll of course are going to put all the socials in the show notes. Greg, you're awesome. Thank you. And thank you to everyone else out there listening to this podcast, baddest barra

at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. And out with a short one from the river to the sea. I don't have anything. Well, fuck me. Yeah. And I guess I will see you guys on the flip side. Yeah, I like that. There we go.

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