Bad Hasbara - The World's Most Moral Podcast - [EXCERPT] Bad Hasbara 54: No Blood For Mohel, with Will Menaker

Episode Date: October 10, 2024

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How are you, Matt? I'm doing pretty good. You know, I'm just fucking, I found my mouse. That was pretty sick. the last episode we did um i had to work off the laptop because my daughter stole my computer mouse it's not interesting to the listeners of this podcast but it's interesting to me in case you were listening or watching that podcast and you're like matt seems um frustrated it was because i was just thinking about how you you you can't really punish a two year old you know like what i like

what can you what can you you you know i'm not going to hit her she's too have you heard of christian conservatism i have heard of it is it it has some answers for you it they beat their kids i don't know exactly what they do but they have ways of coercing and and actually i think a lot of traditions if you really look deeply into the into them enough you'll find ways to punish your daughter and it it doesn't have to necessarily do with consequences you can make her feel less secure in the emotional attachment? I do that all the time anyways. Okay, so just ramp that up, maybe.

Oh, and more, okay, that's fine. I'll try it. I'll try it. I'll pretty much do anything to get her to stop taking my equipment. Stealing technology. Yeah. This mouse costs more than your life. I asked her where it was.

This is so stupid. It's very cute, though. I said, where's my mouse? And she went, hmm. And then she pointed to the trash. Is that where it was? No, she just. Just thought I was playing a game.

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Do it. Yeah. All right, Daniel, what's this spin? Well, today on the spin, I got this. album by Zyad Rabani, who is an amazing Lebanese composer, playwright, actor, musician. And this is a soundtrack to a play of his called What About Tomorrow? And they made a film of it that came out a few years ago. It was from the 70s.

But when they dropped the film, it broke all Lebanese film records, and The Force Awakens. The Force Awakens of Lebanon. It's the Force Awakens of Lebanon. He's an amazing musician and just thinking about Lebanon right now. so that's for that I got Janice Joplin Pearl because I don't own any Chris Christopherson but we just did lose him

and me and Bobby McGee is on here and I didn't know that Chris Christopherson spoke up for Palestine but he did he was so fucking cool he was incredible and he stood up for Shnade O'Connor

and was a union guy and he was an anti-Contra guy I mean he trained Blade what does that mean he was in the movie Blade I believe with he was in blade i need to rewatch blade oh he what that's fucking crazy i just put that together so he was an action star but um then just this is just the mood i've been in sweetie todd we all deserve to die tell you why mrs lovett tell you why um uh i fucking every time israel does

something and they've been like winning lately and it's like it makes me feel not funny and not anything except wanting to just see the whole human race bite it. And then finally, Rocket Queen off Appetite for Destruction. For some reason this morning was in my head when I when I, you know, when I tuned into Twitter, it's how certain images. For whatever

reason. Who knows why? Not necessarily celebratory, not necessarily just libidinal. Just it, just the song just rocks. You know, where I first heard about Chris Christopherson was an Eminem song where he said, you know Chris Christopherson? Yeah, well I'm pissed, pissed off

Offerson. You're joking. No, no, I'm not. That is a lie. You know Chris Christofferson, well, I'm pissed, Pistofferson. And I want to be, like, lame, but I'm also, like, very good.

You got it? Credit where credit is due. I give him credit also just for any time he has one of those thoughts, he writes them down. I'm going to put that in a lyric. That's right. So that's the spin. Check out those records, especially

the Lebanese one, I think that sounds cool. I'm going to check that out myself. All right. Ladies and gentlemen, we got a great guest today. Our guest, you might know him from the podcast, Chapo Trap House. And by the way, speaking of Chapo Trap House, Matt Christman's book is available for pre-order right now. So go to chapotrapehouse.com. You can pre-order his book. No Pasadan. Matt Christman's Spanish Civil War. That's right. But our guest,

from Chapo Trap House, ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, welcome Will Menacher. What's up, buddy? Hello, glad to be here. Hey, Will. Just right off the bat, you know, I got a few things. I've got a few things I'd like to talk about based on the intro to the show.

You know, Matt, Daniel, your two guys, I respect a lot. I've read your work in the past and enjoyed Georgia comedy and writing. And I just got to say, how come you didn't know Chris Christopherson was Whistler in Blade? because because I fucking

just didn't follow him until Eminem told me about him Eminem had to be like doing Chris Chris Offerson puns for me to know about him I fucked up and

and number two you know once again happy to be here on a show with two gentlemen I respect so much but I got to ask it seems to me when you talk about the victims of the

Zionist state, it doesn't seem like you really give them a whole lot of agency, you know, be they Palestinian, Lebanese, or American, and I'm just wondering, where is the agency on this podcast? And also, by the way, I'm recording now from an Air Force base

just outside of Tel Aviv. So if my connection gets screwed up at any point during the recording, just bear with me, I'll try to get back. It actually already, what's really funny, well, is that when you were grilling him on Blade and Christopper's and your connection did get kind of screwed up in the middle of that question. So I think your handlers are handling that.

I'll say this. I completely agree with you about the agency thing. And I've invested what resources I have into a new Holocaust memorial where the empty shoes are animatronic. And as you're sitting there feeling the grief, they sort of come to life and they go and they kick a Nazi and the nuts. And that's the agency piece, showing that we too, even in mass exterminated numbers, still, we will dance again on these nuts. What I was thinking was that, like, you know, in terms of people having agency and also looking at their own part in them being genocided,

like the shoes at Yad Vashem should also have a little note in them that goes, like, um, why didn't you just, like, walk away, you know? Do you ever, do people ever ask, you know, like, hey, guys, you had shoes? You could have just gone somewhere else. I don't know. Like, if you're in Austria, go to Germany or Czechoslovakia. Yeah, I mean, fucking, you know, that's, it's the same thing with Palestinians. Why don't you just go to Lebanon? It's safe there. These shoes are made for walking, not for being led like lambs to the slaughter in. Exactly right, dude. Exactly right. Well, so excited to have you on the podcast. I enjoy your podcast very much. And I wanted to ask you some questions about Israel. Why is it that the Jewish state gets all this flack, but not New York? Because New York is kind of also the Jewish state. You ever think about that? yeah i mean i mean honestly there like look there are 50 states in america but people always just

pick on new york and israel that's right yeah the two jewish states and like there are like you know probably hundreds of countries in the world and for some reason there's this huge double standard with israel you know where you know like the double standard persists you know where like they defend themselves and people say like hey oh we we hey everyone said you could defend yourself but not like that hold on slow down yeah yeah you know yeah so i mean it's it's an unfair double standard you know because like look plenty of plenty of other states to do what israel does i mean yeah look like united states the united united states nazi germany all 50 states and the united because here's the thing everyone keeps saying

why are we giving all this money all this money and all these money all this money and all these weapons to Israel when they you know are in violation of international law or when they very recently killed an American citizen right but the answer is like look this is nothing new I mean like the U.S. government kills American citizens all the time that's right I mean like why shouldn't Jews be able to do it exactly and like all the states in the United States of America get tons of money from the federal government I don't hear any if no one's No one's whining about that. Oh, well, why are we giving all this money to North Carolina just because they had a flood?

You know? Exactly. It's only the Jewish state that people, you know, maintain this ridiculous double standard for. Yeah. And they pick on our leaders, too, you know, whether it's Netanyahu in the one Jewish state or Eric Adams in the other Jewish state. Perseution. You're a huge fan. By the way, low-key, you know, I don't want to, I'm sure this has been an issue with you and your.

colleagues, but you seem to be the only Chappahoo left in New York. Hasn't everyone else absconded for greener climes? And, like, you're hanging tough. You're the one, you're the loyalist to this great city. So when things get a little, when things get a

little hot for the Jewish state of New York, you see who the real fair weather friends are. As they decamp for, you know, more sunnier climates. But, you know, no, I'm here. I'm supporting New York,

Giants, Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Rangers, all number one. Israel, still number one in all our hearts, still number one recipient of military and foreign aid. You know, and now our mayor, our mayor, they're blood libeling him. They're blood libeling our mayor right now

by, they're blood libeling. They're just taking his text out of context and they're using it to blood libel him. They're saying, Eric Adams poisoned the well. Eric Adams is poisoning our drinking water. And it's like, no, He's just, he's as mayor of a major American city, it's important that he has, you know, diplomatic relations with the nation of Turkey. Yeah, that's very important.

That's a very important part about being mayor of New York or the mayor of the Jewish city, the holy city of New York. That's right. That's right. It's the promised land. Oh, I mean, they'll be building a fourth temple here soon, you know? All the best. There's a lot to get to, first of all, just in terms of news. um this is happening right now as we're uh recording this episode um iran is firing missiles at tel aviv oh look at this now i got to say that's a lot of uh that's a lot of direct hits no no no

no no the iron dome has a new technology where they intercept something two inches above the ground I like it. No impact. Yeah, it is, it's just kind of wild because it's like as we're setting up this episode, you know, the last episode we did was with Naomi Klein and it was just like, it was just really deep episode, really dark episode. Because, you know, the shit in the last few weeks has been, I mean, it's been insane. There was a pejor attack in Lebanon and Syria. And then, you know, you see just the other day they were bombing Syria now. And then there was a death. of Hassan Nasrallah and just kind of like this generalized celebration that you saw among like Israelis and also like the fucking hasbarists on the internet let's be real it was a week it was like two weeks of like solid win at least self-perceived double use for like they they could actually and and they kind of were winning no I mean in their in their limited stupid tactical self-destructive right non-strategic way well the only thing that that they can like celebrate now

is death. At this point they love death more than you love life but like you know these are the types of celebration they always kind of overdo it when it comes to celebrating this kind of stuff. They're always just like we're going to post videos of us being pumped

up. Welcome to the six o'clock news and now the whores and they break out like the straight dancers and the streamers and and every time I see this I'm like you guys every time like

the smallest possible attack happens you know a child runs at a IDF soldier with a pen if they make contact with that soldier everybody cries

the entire state of Israel is like we're in collective mourning for someone who was nicked in a bad injury by a child and all I can think is like you're setting yourself up for once again being it's just this constant

cycle of humiliation that they put themselves through where now you see Iran just direct hits with ballistic missiles at, they say it's an army airbase that was hit and I'm just like, sick. I mean, I don't know how to

feel about it other than well, it looks like the Iron Dome doesn't work that good. What goes through your mind, Will, when you see those images? You know, it's not like I'm certain that this will lead to even more ghastly violence and, you know,

it's very hard to, you know, root for military escalation. Absolutely. I think everyone should be realistic that the only thing that is going to stop Israel and drive it out of Lebanon and give the Palestinians a chance that not being exterminated is military action. And if Israel gets to, it gets a taste of like one, one millionth of what it's done to Palestine and its neighbors for like the last 50, 60 years unbroken, then like, I mean, I don't I mean, like, there's a good chance

that it'll just make them even more like apocalypticly suicidally violent. But like, it's, whether it's the Yemenis, whether it's the Lebanese, whether it's the Palestinians, it's just like, there's the only people in the world standing up to stop him right now. And the military resistance and military action is the only thing, the only lever available to them.

I would love it if we lived in a world where, you know, the preeminent superpower could just stop this by saying, No more. No more of this. We're done with this. No more bombs. No more do you want them to do well. They're working they're working tirelessly. Biden swore the other day. Again, he dropped another F bomb about how fucking angry he was about Netanyahu. What do you want from this man? I mean, like, and also like, I mean, I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think I think it should be clear as well, like as far as like a domestic political concern. I mean, I think like not the only reason they're doing this, but a large reason is to tank Harris in the election. Well, I mean, it just... So, I mean, if they don't care more than I do about them getting reelect, like, why the fuck should I be campaigning for them? It turns out there's, there's like a significant degree more Lebanese American voters in Michigan and there's like 80% more Lebanese in Michigan than there are Palestinians. And now Israel is, you know, killing thousands in Lebanon.

And also, I think from the State Department where they're not even trying to evacuate U.S. citizens from Lebanon. Right. We will not be evacuating at this time. They're saying book a commercial flight. commercial flights are $8,000 it's just it's it's fucking crazy because this is

I mean we just got to October and they're like all right time for an October surprise we are immediately going to go to war with Iran that's what's happening I have no idea what the calculation of the like Biden administration or Harris is where they're just

like constantly going to just do all of the PR heavy lifting for the state of Israel only to watch them try to make them lose, which is something we've known from the beginning. So, you know. There are reports in Politico today that, like, the Biden foreign policy is being run by Brett McGurrick

and this guy, Amos Hawkestein, a George W. Bush, Iraq war guy and a former IDF soldier. And they are essentially running the White House foreign policy, knowing full well that, like, all of Biden's statements about how we need to ceasefire, or we need to, you know, like, we need to diplomacy to end this conflict, or we don't want to see an escalation,

We need a limited action in Lebanon is all just public diplomacy. And I think this is what we're seeing now, whether it's the Trump team or Harris Walls, but particularly Harris Walls or Biden Harris because they're in power right now. Yes. I mean, it's their foreign policy. I think what we're seeing is like the attempt to bring to fruition, like the dream of the neocons who came to power in 2000, which is to auger in some kind of final conflict with Iran and Hezbollah and, like, like southern Lebanon or just with all of Iran and all of Israel's neighbors to just like

settle the hash once and for all remove all any and all threats to are are in Israel's regional dominance kill as many people as possible and just like yeah like just and just redraw Israel's borders and you know I'll be usher in the thousand-year Reich yeah it's it's you know it sounds like a lot of fun I'm very excited for what the future holds for for everyone including us at home here in the United States, which leads me to this next bit, which we alluded to earlier, Ta-Nehisi Coates, he wrote a new book that he is now doing a press tour for. He's doing promo.

And he went on CBS this morning yesterday. And he did, now, CBS, like, morning shows like this, especially when you're doing a book plug are essentially just promo pieces. Like they exist for having not even a real conversation so much as just someone reading the synopsis of their book

to an anchor. That is not what ended up happening in a conversation with Tony Doku-pill. Is that his name? Tony Doku-

Doku-pilled. He decided to press him on the issue of what he means when he says the crimes of Israel in his book. And I have some clips of that. Tom Hashi, I want to dive into the Israel-Palestine section of the book. It's the largest section of the book. And I have to say, when I read the book, I imagine if I took your name out of it, took away the awards and the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing house goes away. The content of that section, would

not be out of place in the backpack of an extremist. In the backpack. He's going back to Eric Adams. He secreted away in a popular knack, anti-Israel views. The assumption there, I love it, is that, oh, you know, all extremists are children who go to Columbia. Why not detail anything of the first and the second intifada? And is it because you just don't believe that Israel in any condition has, a right to exist?

Mm-hmm, mm-mm. Correct. Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined, there is no shortage of that perspective in American media. That's the first thing I would say. I wrote a 260-page book. It is not a treatise on the entirety of the conflict between the Palestinians and the Israelis. But if you were to read this book, you would be left wondering why does any of Israel exist?

What a horrific place committing horrific acts. Correct. Correct. Sign me up. I mean, I mean, Coach really keeps this cool here. I'm like, like Daniel, like you said, I probably wouldn't have. As soon as I got started talking about like, you know, if you read this book, you might start asking yourself, why does Israel exist? Why do we allow this to take place?

What an evil rotten country? And I'd feel like, what? You needed a book to fucking figure that out? Have you been watching the news the last year? Not only that, but it's like the idea that he's like, listen, if someone were to read this, I'm reading this and I'm thinking, wow, Israel is bad. But I know it can't be bad because I've always heard it was good. Like, this guy is literally just saying, if it wasn't for the deep, deep programming that I've done on myself for the past 40, 50 years, I might start thinking that you're right about this and I'm wrong. You're going to make me change my mind up in here, up in here.

Y'all going to make me learn some facts up here. Matt, I mean, you talk about like if, if, uh, if, uh, if, uh, you're going to make me change my mind. If he has to face the fact of like, oh, what if Israel actually is a deeply evil, rotten country that we have no business and shares no values, at least our professed commitments to being a good country? Then he'd have to do some soul searching. I know we're going to mention this later, but we all found out that this guy got an adult circumcision. Like, if he had to read a book and realize that, like, hey, actually, maybe Israel isn't the good guy, then he might ask himself, why did I get the tip of my dick cut off as an adult man? We're going to get to that. That is where this is going.

I just want to play the rest of the clip just because I feel like I want to give props to Tanaasi Coates for the way he handles this, just because I think it's very easy to find yourself. He's clearly taken aback by how confrontational this is for a CBS fucking morning show. And the fact that he is able to defend his position in a. way that still get some invited to high holidays at the end of the clip is pretty great. And the fact that this is the red line that thou black intellectual shall not cross. No, you can come on, you can go on a whole thing about reparations and make us really reconsider

our entire identity as a country and suggests that in fact all of the wealth and privilege that us white people are having in this country is ill-begotten and that we might need to redistribute you can you can up overturn the tables of our self-understanding right here at home but wait a minute because we're not actually going to let you do that we're not going to let you do that's the whole liberal thing it's like you know yeah we're going to let him talk about how you know oh we really should you know defund the police who really should uh you know support uh the prison abolitionist movement we really should but you're not going to do it this is something that feels scary because they're like, wait, it's within this guy's cultural grasp, and maybe not

you know, end Israel, but to at the very least de-legitimize it in the minds of liberals and in the minds of white people in this country and people of color in this country, which is, I think, even more scary for these guys. But I am going to play the rest of the clip because I just think he does such a good thing. If Israel has a right to exist, and if your answer is no, why do the Palestinians have a right to exist? Why do 20 different Muslim countries have rights? My answer is that no country in this world establishes its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability to exist through force, as America did. And so I think this question of right to Israel does exist. It's a fact. The question of its right is not a question that I would be faced with

with any other country. But you write a book that delegitimizes the pillars of Israel. It seems like an effort to... I'm sorry, but is he saying the pillars of Israel? is apartheid like this whole five pillars of Israel yeah exactly I mean that's that's an insane argument to make is that like you're delegitimizing the main pillar of Israel which

is that Jews should be allowed to kick out whatever ethnic group they want which is top of the whole building of it what is it that so particularly offends you about the existence of a Jewish state that is a Jewish safe place and not any other

Tony it doesn't seem very safe Semite. I have a deep, unabiding animosity towards the Jewish people uniquely. What the fuck? I mean, I'm sorry, but like, just his interview tactic here is, why are you gay? He's just doing the why are you gay guy. There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state. I am offended by the idea of states built on ethnocracy no matter where they are. Muslim included. I would not want to state where any group of people laid down their citizenship rights based on ethnicity. The country of Israel is a state in which half the population exists on one tier of citizenship

and everybody else that's ruled by Israelis exist on another tier, including Palestinian-Israeli citizens. The only people that exist on that first tier are Israeli Jews. Why do we support that? Why is that okay? I'm the child of Jim Crow. I'm the child of people that were born into a country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid. I walk over there and I walk through the Occupy Territories and I walk down the street in Hebron. And a guy says to me, I can't walk down the street unless I profess my religion.

I'm with another path. No, no, no, no. I want to go. This is very, very important. It is. His other co-hosts, by the way, are for sure furious at Tony right now. 100%. Like, you can feel them wanting to end this.

And it makes me have it. Let me lay it down. I'm working with the person that is guiding me is a Palestinian whose father, whose grandfather and grandmother was born in this town. And I have more freedom to walk than he does. He can't ride on certain roads. He can't get water in the same way

that Israeli citizens who live less than a mile away from him again. Why is that okay? Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians? They exist in your narrative merely as victims of the Israelis, as though they were not offered peace at any juncture, as though they don't have a stake in this as well. What is their role? Either apartheid is right or it's wrong.

It's really, really simple. Either what I saw was right or it's wrong. I am, for instance, against the death penalty. What the person did to get the death penalty, it really doesn't matter to me. I don't care if they were selling a nickel bag of marijuana or if they were a serial killer. I am against the death penalty.

I am against a state that discriminates against people on the basis of ethnicity. I hate that he has to make that analogy, but it's a very good analogy. For the purposes of this moron. Right. Yeah. It's a perfect analogy.

Well, except that it puts us in mind that these people might have done something except just... Right. No. I mean, optically, obviously, you can make that argument. But he's right. It's like it's a principle. I am against...

I am against apartheid, period. Like this idea that you can justify apartheid based on like, well, you know, the Palestinians are scared. though. And I love how agents, these meaningless psychobabble terms that have entered political discourse, agency, right? Agency is an important concept when you're working with your psychotherapist about overcoming your trauma. But what he's saying is, isn't it, didn't they probably do something to deserve it? Don't they deserve it?

He's not talking about their agency. He's talking about their, they're meriting this kind of fucking treatment. Yeah, Daniel, like, when they say like, oh, like, don't the Palestinians, don't the victims of Israel have any agency. Any time they display any agency, like when they tell you what they believe, or they stand up for themselves or they fight back, then they become, you know, or they walk

arms in the air. Yeah. Or they wheel their wheelchairs towards the apartheid wall and get sniped. That's what happens to people who demonstrate agency. Yeah, it's fucking insane.

And as Will mentioned before, As soon as I saw this, people started posting this article that came out. This is something, I did not know, the interviewer there, Tony Doku-Doku-Pill. I'm just going to call him. Count Ducu-pilled. He's Count Ducu-Pill. He's actually Colbert-Rour-era-Steven-Colbert character-pilled.

He looks a lot, if you took the glasses off, like that sort of, you know, smart idiot. Right, except he is not playing a character. He actually is. is this. So I just assumed watching him, I was like, you know, these are arguments that have heard, you know, thousand times over by, you know, family and other Jewish people I know, and also other like Zionist, non-Jewish people. But that's just kind of what I assumed, you know, Jake Tappers and whatnot. He was born into it, but it turns out. Turns out, no. And he wrote an article called My Adult Circumcision, How I Made the Cut for My New Religion. This came out in 2014.

to remain uncut, I was told, is to remain spiritually cut off from the Jewish people. Oh, wow. This is great. I understand the world doesn't usually think much about adult male circumcision. It's like having a chat about ball tramping or the Pentagon Kevlar underwear, the Pentagon's Kevlar underwear. Even on the covered wagon side of the circumcision wars, where people fight for force, of baby boys. No one wants to talk about grown men

getting their corn shucked. Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean, just, you know, he's making this hard for me to read. All right. So I get this and so much more. And yet, as someone who knows the sting of this particular ritual,

who volunteered for it, in fact, and signed his own check to the part-time Reaper who did the job, I have to say, it's not so bad. All right. I came to this knowledge on the way to the altar of all places. I was engaged to a nice Jewish girl. He went to a freelance mowel.

He did go to a freelance moyle, though. I was engaged to a nice Jewish girl taking some free conversion classes at the big progressive Manhattan Synagogue. I wanted to learn about something that mattered to her. And the more I learned, the more it mattered to me, too. this wasn't a fur coat and summer kind of congregation it was part of the reform movement only game for high holidays mostly casual about pork always down with female gay rabbis when one of my own rabbis in parenthetical gay female oh but they still made you cut part of your dick off yes slipped me the number of a moyle a professional snipper i laughed it off as a classic jewish humor i love that he's just like uh is that one of them Jew jokes? You're doing one of them jokes you people do. No, they were dead serious. Medically speaking, I was already circumcised, which the fact that he's already circumcised is wild. Wait, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So what is he, what is he, what procedure is he

getting done here? I think he's about to explain. Yes, he's getting he's getting a tune-up. Yeah, he's just, you know, it's getting a little bit more off. Yeah. So I was who circumcised, the long as most other babies born in the 80s, but that's no good for God. I needed Hatafat Dambrit, which is a drawing of blood. To remain uncut, I was told, is to remain spiritually cut off from the Jewish people. That's the idea of the covenant. So he explains that while bloodletting has always been a condition of the Orthodox and conservative wings of Judaism, reform congregations have been willing to welcome the sexually

sheathed and uninjured. biblical law does not require otherwise neither do most of the arguments in the talmud but i insisted but i said no no please cut my dick it's for love um so apparently uh he explains here that the reform movement uh began at least in this particular manhattan synagogue where like listen we're going to be like loose about all this other stuff but let's bring back um cutting a little bit of dick during the conversion ceremony um so It sounds like some kind of radical feminist man-hating reform Manhattan Synagogue. This is all some kind of opt to get men to opt-in to self-feminization.

That's right, dude. They don't want men to be men. The reform movement wants men to give up their virility. I'd feel like Tucker Carlson's going to do a whole bit on this. I'm just asking questions. So that's how I found myself biblically nude in a kind of. of spiritual locker room, a shower space, and a converted brownstone, waiting for a man with a razor. Worst Lou Reed song ever.

It's like Eastern, it's like Eastern promises. Yeah. The surroundings were civilized, more university club than Russian bathhouse. Blue black tile ran along the floors and climbed the walls. A minty scent hung in the air, But all the noise had already washed away in the roar of my thoughts. I was 12 when Lorena Bobbitt cut her husband down to the size of an elevator button, igniting appearance and anger. This guy's writing, he's just, he's like, how, how can I, how many ways can I show that I'm lighthearted and, and, and, uh, have a good sense of humor about my, my dick getting

mutilated. Like, he, he, he's just, the greatest, the greatest thing. about all of this is they are divorced now. Actually, this is very funny and cool to me. Oh, really? Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

He's literally, he's like the Walter Subject of Jews at this point. Oh, my God. He's real life Walter's subject. He's just like, well, just because we're divorces, I mean, I turn in my library card, I stop being Jewish.

It is so amazing. He goes on to say, When the moyle arrived, he looked, I'm sorry to say, like Danny DeVito and curls. We stood in silence. I opened my towel. Hello, groin. He opened a shaving bag with a glistening instrument. Hello knife.

My moil produced a pen-sized lance, which he wielded ever so gently, like Lady Grantham with a pairing knife. He sliced, sliced, squeezed, dripped, and was done. The whole transaction was over in a second long before I could scream or faint or decide if I liked it. Instead, I felt the way I remember feeling as a child when rising early. I could watch a light fill. The woods behind my house revealing nothing at all scary. When the moyle finally spoke, he spoke in Hebrew, and I couldn't make out a word of it. But I had the feeling.

I love he couldn't understand. But I had the feeling of the substance of his words was important. And that if I could understand him, I would be in the possession of something profound, a message from God. It's only a penis. This is, I got to say, I. I'm, it's like, oh, it's only, Oh, it's only a penis. Okay, well, happens to me, if it's yours,

if it's just, it's someone else's, I don't care. Stick around. We're going to take a quick break, but we will be right back. And we're back. This is Bad As Barra, World's Monsmore, podcast here with Will Maniker of Chapo. trap house. We're going to do a big old rundown here of a very particular guy. Do you want to,

you want to intro this person? When I first joined this show, something we would often do, something you were already doing is to sort of hone in on one particular poster, one particular guy, one particular, you know, and just look at the ways, the particular ways that Hasbara has given expression through certain personalities online. I just sent you a screenshot of his bio. Maybe you want to pull that up. We're talking about and trigger warning there, Will, for the Mets, the Mets paraphernalia there. He's a Mets guy. I support the Mets. I support all the New York teams. Okay. Oh, I thought Yankees and Mets didn't get along. All right. Well, the Mets don't like the Yankees, but the Yankees don't really think about the Mets. That's the way to do it. He's a, it describes

himself as a liberal Zionist, a democracy slash NATO slash EU enthusiast, as we can see by the three flags behind him Israel, Ukraine and the United States. What a great combination. Host of Israel explained what's explaining

in Hebrew, Hasbara, and history of the land of Israel. And then there's his media inquiries email and all that. Now, I know that he was me-toed when we had Felix on the show

a few weeks ago and I even just mentioned him, Felix was like, oh my God, it's that fucking guy. I didn't really know about it. I went and I looked into it. Look like he was sending a bunch of inappropriate.

But whatever. We're not going to get into that because I actually don't care for the purposes of this conversation, except to say that maybe, maybe. Listen, he has a past and he's trying to make up for it by bridging the gap between fascism and saying liberal things. And it's like, he's like a fascist with feelings, which I love. That's who you have to be. It's like you have to be sad about it.

If you're going to be pro-ethnocracy, you need to at least be sad about it, and he really gets it. Which is the political analog of a certain kind of sexual predator, of course, a sort of sensitive weepy, oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't know I was bothering you. How old are you? Am I too old for you, which were the kinds of messages he was sending? So I actually think it's sort of of a piece. But anyway, I started seeing his tweets, and you know, in this new age of Twitter, I don't know, I don't even remember what it used to be like in the days before X.com. the everything up. But I just keep getting certain pundits showing up in my feed that I never asked to see. And he was one of them. And there was just a few, I started seeing, I mean, essentially well, let me just zoom out for a second. One of the things you guys have done so well on Shop over the years, you've created a whole canon, a whole rogue gallery of, of pundits and political, quote-unquote, thought leaders and whatever who just drive you insane. And you spend the time to try to

drill down about what is it about these guys that is so crazy making and so revealing about our political culture. And you have your classic list of columnists and pundits and whatever from across the liberal and conservative spectrum. So I find myself with this guy having that kind of reaction, a kind of fixated, like I can't wait for when he tweets. His tweets keep me up at night. They drive me crazy just when I think I've seen the worst. You can relate, yes, to this kind of, this sort of, yeah, yeah. And I've found it's very therapeutic, cathartic, vicariously, as I listen to Chappo, as you guys thought of what I would say is kind of goon on some of, you know,

the content, kind of exposure therapy, scream about it, try to understand what makes it so crazy. Hey, Daniel, I always finish, okay? So we leave the gooning side. I always finish when it comes to my rogue's gallery. And really, who would be Batman without the riddler, Two-Face, the Joker, Catwoman. That's right. That's right. These guys give us a reason to live. They're the reason in our life. All right. So here was the, this was the first time I sort of really clocked into Shile.

This was around, I guess, late spring, early summer. He said, I feel stupid and ashamed. In May, an expose came out on CNN detailing the abuses in Stey Taman, then, which was the rape camp in Israel. Then the New York Times released their own article on it. Both were backed up with Israeli sources, crossed with Palestinian ones. I dismissed them because my government sources and Israeli media denied them. My whole life, I was told that the international media was out to get Israel, that they were all anti-Semites. And I want you guys to notice as we go through these, both the internal contradictions within each tweet

and then the contradictions between the tweets. And then at the end, we'll show his attempt to be like, here's the method to my madness. Like, here's what holds my worldview together. And it's just so clear that exactly what Matt said, it really is just doing this impossible Tasmanian devil tap dance trying to hold completely incompatible views together. But today I realized how much I was lied to by my country,

by my friends, by my media. Today, many of the people I talked to who denied these allegations admitted they were true. What I love about this is when you first saw this, I remember this for you, like you said, it's the origin story.

You were just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, is this Zionist who's like finally coming around? And you were kind of excited about it. You even were like quote tweeting him. You're like, hey man, you're almost there, dude. Exactly. And I'll show that in a second, right? Yeah, yeah.

But this tweet continued, this endless tweet. He says, and the worst part, none of this is coming to light because the IDF and government have changed their hearts about it. It's coming out because the pressure from the UK, ICC, and ICJ was getting too great to ignore. This would get Netanyahu, Gallant, and the chief of staff in serious trouble. So they finally said the truth that Israel is routinely torturing inmates, that sexual abuse is fairly common there, that people have been tortured to death. That is the worst part about doing rape inside of prisons is that the IDF only admitted to it. because of pressure. That's the worst part. Worst of all,

he says, even worse, I guess. Many of the people in this facility were innocent rounded up by accident. No, okay, hold on. We're innocent, rounded up by accident. So there's a little example of his little logical leap because they were innocent, they must have

been rounded up by accident. That's great. Well, they certainly didn't mean to do it. Accidents happen all the time in war. They were dolphins caught up in tuna nets. But there was no real verification process. It was a clerical error, you guys, before they were subjected to this hell on earth. This can't go on.

And I said, I kind of admire this in a paleological, I think I meant paleontological sort of way. Last of an extinct species that got wiped out around the second intifada. I'd say they got disillusioned except they doubled down on their illusions. Shiel is still hanging onto his by his talons, but at least the delusion is pleasant. And what is the delusion that liberal Zionism is a tenable way of looking at the world. Now, Daniel, is this guy an American liberal Zionist or does he live in Israel? He grew up in Israel. He lives in L.A. now.

Yeah. So he lives in Los Angeles. I guess a thing that puzzles me here is he was like, oh, like, I didn't believe the news reports because my whole life I've been told that the Internet. national press just lies about Israel. Did he watch any of the actual Israeli television where they were having these the guys who sodomized the man to death

on their morning talk shows to be like Hey everybody, it's me, I did it, I love it and I'm going to do it again. And I'm a hero now because of it. And I'm taking off my bala clava to tell you about it. Yeah. Literally like, like show it's the masked rapist everybody

will be unmasking him tonight. And that like, you know, he's Like, and not only have been, I think these guys are not currently in prison. I don't think, I think they've been more or less set free, loosed upon Israeli society to, and are being held as heroes by all account for their, you know, their unspeakable rape and torture of political prisoners held in their concentration camps. So, I mean, like, you wouldn't need the New York Times or the BBC to, like, lie about that. You should just turn on Israeli television and see them. give a trophy to the world's best

rapist. It's crazy because it's so clear that when he says like, I was, you know, this is not what Israeli media was telling me. It's clear that his sources were already American Zionist Israeli media. Like

English language Ha'Aretz, you know? Like he was and then he's like, and also my government sources. It's just like somebody you served with in the fucking IDF before you you fucking got the fuck out of dodge like who are your government sources and yeah they're going

to lie to you bro it is it's it's it's amazing just watching somebody like being told to their face it's like having your wife you know like in bed with another man it's uh that bob that bob dillon lyric from positively fourth street comes to mind you know you say you lost your faith but that's not where it's at you had no faith to lose and you know it and this guy acts so crestfallen and disillusioning. We'll see this over and over again in his tweets. So here's another example, but here he has to kind of admit that maybe it's

more than a handful of psychos. So Stephen Iceman, who I don't know who that is, maybe one of you guys knows. Oh, yeah, yeah. This was some random guy, like he's like an accountant or a lawyer or some shit, and he wrote Oh, isn't he the guy that the big short was based on? Yes, he is.

That's exactly right. Yeah. Yep, yep. He was the guy who did the big short. That is incredible. That is incredible. Muhammad Safa posts a video of captioned the screams of Palestinians in Gaza being burned alive by Israel. A Holocaust is happening right before our eyes and the world is silent. And Stephen Iceman says, you must be kidding. We are not silent.

We are celebrating. And Shiles says, the glee with which some of us view Palestinian civilian deaths is disgusting. And then he quotes the Talmud, whoever saves a single life is considered by scripture to have saved the whole world. Because we are created in God's image. What happened to the value we once put? on human lives. Now, look, okay, now look, I know I am for,

for certain reasons outside my control, spiritually cut off from the covenant of Abraham. Oh, it's within your control, Will? Yeah, it's within my control, but, you know. Where's your agency, Will? Where's your fucking agency? Let's just say, I'm keeping strict control over it. I got a shaving kit right here, dude.

It's like talking about like, oh, like, as the Talmud said, to save a life, is to save the world. Like, well, I mean, I seem to remember much of the Old Testament is just basically instructions on how you should commit a genocide against everyone. You know, Canaanites, Philistines, like, smote them all with the jawbone of an ass. And then...

Amalek. Yeah, Amalek. Yeah. I mean, it's like a how-to guy to do genocide. Yeah, it's very funny to try to, like, lean on the morality of scripture when you see someone, you know, celebrating a death of an enemy or, you know, or, you know, or you're... someone purported to be an enemy because you're just like your entire worldview about like Jews as a people being like moral because of their scripture or anyone as a person whether it's a fucking a Muslim or a Christian or whatnot. It's just like this is just part of your whole like Jewish supremacist thing. What's like what happened to us being the most moral people in the

world? What happened to us being better than everyone? We're supposed to be fucking professionals. Yeah, but like his, his worldview is like, don't be like them, the animal, animalistic Palestinians. Well, here we are. Look at this one. So we covered this one with Felix, but it's worth, it's worth recapping. Right. In Jerusalem, a man hands out sweets after the Israeli operation in Lebanon. It never ceases to amaze me how some Israelis will mock and hate all Palestinians while adopting their worst customs.

Just fucking insane. It's just like, it is, it's a. delicate dance man you're just like listen I if I'm going to criticize my own people I have to also remind people that I think Palestinians are worse that were better that we're still better

he's got a warning to all his fellow Jews if you don't knock out all this hate and genocide we may become like Arabs yeah and then what would happen this we'd have to genocide ourselves exactly and then we would lose our and look at what we have to

lose. I present the ultimate Israeli lunch. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Take it. Take it away. Take it to Joe. Look at it. Look at it. Look at it. Connect with your people. I present the ultimate Israeli lunch. This is why we are the greatest country on earth. Okay. Now, what we have here, what we have, how would you guys describe what we have here? Okay. I see a falafel.

It looks like corn on top of eels. He's got electric eel soup. and um i i i riker riker is sitting there looking at it it's very unappetizing and wharf is like well if you want to go on this away wishing with me you're gonna have to get used it you know we we got to build is we got to build one of those like wheel like randomizers where you like spin it and then it picks a random tweet because i can go through anything in here and find like you you've collected it feels like hundreds of these um this is from our own text he deleted this this is why i have a screenshot from our text chat because i couldn't find it on his anymore i love it's got the ha ha in there yeah yeah i said this to you last night yes when did right-wing zionists start calling liberal zionist anti-semitz i don't remember that ever being a thing and this month it's happened to mean dozens of times talk about turning the term into a meaningless one oh my god and all i can say to that is go go make more pickles in

idiot. Exactly. Like, where do I join the bully brigade on this guy? It's, it's, can we do a collab with the, I mean, when I, when I,

reading the, it's like reading these guys' tweets. You know, it brings to mind, I mean, like, it's just his view of the world could only be described as like,

you know how like this stereotype is that Jewish parents, like, really want their kid to become a doctor? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to become a doctor. You got to marry a doctor.

But in this case, that doctor was Dr. Pangloss from Voltares Candide. he's just got that rosy view of the world yeah exactly an image of all of the fires that broke out today after months of the Galilee blazing

now it's Lebanon's turn may everyone in the region know safety and security soon prayers up prayers up and when I when I set that one to Matt I'm like this is like a fucking mashup

of come on people now smile on your brother everybody get to and die motherfucker die like that at the same time laid on to each other like if i didn't know any better if i read that like and didn't know who was saying it i'd be like oh this guy's a fucking ass he's mocking he's mocking them right now but no i think he legitimately is like i feel for the fact that we have to kill you like that's just it's this you know it's this like classic israeli thing of just like uh you know bombing and crying at the same time i look forward to when everyone know the day you forgive us yeah everyone know peace and safety when we're done killing everyone right yeah it's like

literally every fucking speech that uh that you know who gives in english it's just like you know he just did one to iran yesterday uh in which he was just like you know rise up against your government you know because as you can tell there's no place that we won't go so know we're in your we're in your grandmother's panties right now so you better speak to your government yeah yeah it's just like openly threatening you while just being like and as soon as we're done killing you there will be peace on earth i'm not i'm not sure if i finished i do feel i do feel a bit spent so maybe but i'm glad we did that because it i feel a little less crazy. Well, listen, if you're, if you're still edging, there's, I feel like this is a, at this point,

he's like a content mill. This guy writes new tweets constantly that are just like, you know, I love Israel and they do bad things sometimes, but Palestinians are bad too. Maybe I just need to admit, I love this guy. I love his content and I hope he produces more of it. Keep going. Yeah, it's, it, yeah, but thank you both for helping me process the, absolutely, the, the, my obsession with it. I love watching you go crazy reading his tweets. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks. Thanks. Well, I'm sure there'll be more where that came or didn't come from. Well, that's, that was a beautiful, beautiful prayer. I feel cleansed. Do you feel cleansed? Do you feel, have you excised all of your Jewish self-hatred? Now when you see an Israeli flag at a synagogue, are you going to maybe not be so mean to

it. I'm going to wrap myself in it and I'm going to douse it in some kind of well, I'm not even going to say. Wait, what's happening? You're just Aaron Bushnell yourself right there. I might. I might though. You should. So I feel cleansed. I think we all feel cleansed here. And Will Menacher, we feel grateful.

Gee, we're grateful for having you on. Thank you for coming on Bad Hasbara and talking with us. I feel Jay, fulfilled with joy at the invite and the opportunity to shop it up with you, fine gentlemen. Absolutely. And to display my agency. Thank you for displaying your agency. We love agencies here. CAA, Gersh.

W.M.E. W.M. We're a big fan of agency. And we wish that Palestinians would show some. Sign up. Sign up to one of those agencies. They should get signed. Yeah.

Will, where can people find you? Plug your work. Oh, you can find me at Twitter at Will Mennaker or just Chopo Trap House on Patreon where you can get all the fine goods and services provided by my podcast. All right. Check that out. We're also going to put it in the show notes. Will, truly, thank you for coming on. My pleasure, gentlemen.

And thank you to all of you out there for listening to this podcast, patreon.com slash bad hasbarra. Bad-Hasbarra at gmail.com for all your questions, comments, and concerns. Let's get on out of here. Once again, from the river to the sea. Palestinians, where's your agency? Oh, yeah. I was going to say those were our sins A to Z.

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