Badlands Media - Baseless Conspiracies Ep. 175: Underground Military Bases, Strange Sky Objects & Advanced Tech Secrets

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Zak Paine and Josh Reid explore a series of stories and theories surrounding underground military infrastructure, unexplained aerial phenomena, and advanced technologies that many believe exist beyond the public eye. The conversation includes accounts of interconnected underground facilities, discussions about secret engineering projects, and stories from military environments that hint at capabilities rarely acknowledged publicly. The episode also dives into reports of unusual objects observed in the sky, mysterious encounters at sea, and speculation about technologies such as cold fusion and other advanced energy concepts. As the discussion unfolds, Zak and Josh examine how these stories circulate, why some of them persist for decades, and what they might reveal about hidden technological development and classified research. Throughout the episode, the hosts balance curiosity with skepticism while unpacking the kinds of stories that keep conspiracy communities asking questions.

out of the badlands, explain those badlands. That's a hell of a name. I don't consider myself a conspiracy buff at all, but when they get a lot of coincidences, I get a little suspicious and call me crazy. Weird talk shows, crazy groups every Sunday telling you what you think. Republicans and the Democrats conspired with one another. There is a conspiracy by big business against American democracy.

I know that that was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy. There was no conspiracy. Was there a conspiracy? Communist conspiracy directed out of Moscow. The right-wing conspiracy. Communist conspiracy is a deliberate and predictable plan of action to subvert the world. Right-wing conspiracy.

It's an international criminal conspiracy. Do you think you're obsessed with conspiracy? A conspiracy theory. A conspiracy. I'm afraid you'll catch me. A conspiracy would do the job nicely. A conspiracy would do the job nicely. Well, good evening, Badlandia.

Thank you so much for joining us on your favorite Monday night conspiracy show, as always. My name is Zach Payne. Tonight you guys are in for a real treat. Not only is John not here, so you're not going to have to worry about somebody trashing all of the incredible conspiracies that I bring to you, the lovely audience. In fact, my good friend Josh Reid from redpill.tv, redpills, pardon me, dot TV is here. Josh is also a fellow Badlands host and Josh is also very well acquainted with many of the subjects that I bring to John every single week. So I'm really looking forward to this conversation. Josh, please say hello to the audience.

Wait, you just saw the audience. So you're probably saying, you're saying welcome back to the audience. Well, what's up everybody? I hope everybody in Badlandia is doing well. And man, I'm excited for this one. When you ask me, I'm like, yeah. Yeah. We've been trying to have this for anybody out there, we've been trying to have this conversation.

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And back to the subject at hand, Josh. So if you guys happen to tune into that episode of Only Winds, you might have seen us having a little bit of a conversation about the Denver International Airport. Now, DIA is a subject that we've done here on Basel's conspiracies before. But as everybody knows, John has never heard of probably 90% of the things that we're talking about. And even more often than that, maybe 95% of the time he doesn't.

believe what I'm trying to tell him about these subjects, Josh. But the thing is that you have personal experience at the Denver International Airport. Tell me a little bit about your backstory, dude. For anybody who doesn't already know. Yeah. So join the US Navy at 19. I was going nuke. I took my nuclear qualification exam, scored off the charts on it.

And, uh, wait, what does that even mean? You're going nuke. Like you wanted to work at like a nuclear missile base or something. Right. Yeah. I wanted to go to the Navy and work on nuclear. actors. So originally I took my nuclear qualification exam. I certified and I had nine month depth delayed entry program. That was September 7th that all that happened 2001. Oh gosh. Okay. So Monday,

obviously the world changed. And I didn't feel like waiting nine months. So I went back to my recruiter. I said, hey, what do I have to do to go now? They said, well, we can't get you into the new program, but we can get you into this other program working on advanced gun missile weapon fire control systems advanced computer systems i said let's do it went to boot camp went through schooling uh went through another side of schooling um and then went to my first ship out in san diego california and i was there for just about six years my first ship deployed uh three and a half times and uh two to the south pacific one to the west pack and i had the time in my life honestly it was an amazing time so i know a lot about what's going on in the southern pacific right now because i did two deployments out there

there with everything that's happening, right? But we had some experiences during that time. And I've always been a conspiracy nut. I mean, I grew up in the 90s listening to Art Bell late night. You know, smoking a little bit of weed and listening to the Art Bell and talking about aliens. And I have my own life experience with a lot of these phenomena, whether it's paranormal or UFO type of stuff. And maybe we can talk about some of that later. But I'd always had this mindset and i got out of the navy and i started working as a contractor and then i went and worked for united airlines uh senior uh senior engineer over at united airlines i basically my job was um managing the IT circuit level to end year's user at 21 different domestic and international

airports and the primary place i was out of was Denver international airport be concourse center Corps. And so when you get into the airport world, you have to have a security identification access badge, site a badge. And you have different colors of site of badges, which give you different access to different places because not everybody can have access. For example, a baggage handler doesn't have access to hangers. They don't have access to the tarmac, right? And this is why I look at, everybody remembers the whole the Q thing with a Q 400 aircraft and how he stole the plane. Impossible. He wouldn't have the site of badge access to get into the hangar because he was a baggage handler.

And I'd call that out back in the day. But with that access, I had full reign of Denver International Airport. So when I first get there in my first few days, I'm like, is there a military base underneath this? Like, where's the entrance, right? And a lot of the guys that worked with had been there a decade. And they're like, look, we've all heard the conspiracies. We've all went and looked for things. And we found nothing.

Now I was really disappointed, but I'm like, I'm going to look for myself. And I did for over the next six years. I was always driving around the tunnels, looking for secret doors or different things that would indicate that something's going on below us. and um i i had a few different times where i found some things that uh made me question if there really was in a deep underground military base under denver international airport and kind of when i was still there i kind of put it all together and got some confirmation from some people that yep that's probably legitimate um it's it's funny because they used to have a smoking lounge and b concourse center core and i used to visit that every day and i was in there one day and i was in there one

day and a guy's like I just flew in I think he's coming from other state he's like I just flew in only to come here to this airport because I wanted to see if the conspiracy theories were true he goes where do I find the the door to take me to the elevator to the nine foot urinals and I'm like what are you talking about it's like I know it's here he got all mad at me and I'm like dude there's no such door I assure you are the nine foot urinals for the tall whites yeah for the tall whites it was it was comical but I'm like dude there's just not here Now, the first things I will say is going through Denver International Airport with the access that I had, there is almost a zero indication that there's anything conspiracy about it. You mean, like beyond the strange post-apocalyptic murals or the Masonic symbols.

The UFOs hanging in paper mache or they've really leaned into it, haven't they? I mean, like they've kind of taken the idea of conspiracy theory and they've adopted it as sort of the brand of the airport and a lot more so in recent years. Right. And by the way, the murals were done by a native Colorado and who's Native American. And those murals are not just in the airport. They're in the government buildings within Boulder and Denver. And so they are spread actually throughout all of Colorado, Denver, Boulder, and the airport. So okay kind of like kind of like blue super and ball and the big blue bear are spread out throughout Denver correct okay correct and Denver itself is very mysterious man I've I've heard some conspiracy theories about Denver itself I can't confirm nor deny them but it's uh it's a definitely

an unusual place um now kind of into the context of my thoughts when I was going through Denver International Airport so the tunnels underneath these are primarily utilized for for for of handlers and is that what we're looking at on screen right now josh that's exactly what you're looking at on okay okay so underneath and so for people to kind of envision this is you have the center concourse where everybody comes in and they go through tsa and then they distribute out through a tram that actually goes through these tunnels to the different concourses a b or c concourse okay um and you get off on your concourse you go up some escalators and there's your concourse and all the planes are there what people don't see is that underneath your feet right there

There are tunnels and inside these tunnels are baggage handlers that are taking the bags off of planes and then they're running their carts back and forth and to from the concourses to the center core to offload them on the baggage rails so people can get their luggage. And then there's baggage sorters down there and stuff like that. Now when you get down there on the top corners throughout the whole tunnel system is this railroad track. And this railroad track has never been used. It costs $1.3 billion to build and develop. It never worked. It never worked right. It actually delayed construction.

And 1.3 billion, if I'm not mistaken, that was like the original estimate for the construction of the entire airport. Yes. Yeah. One point, wow. I had no idea that they wasted the entirety of the budget just on that railroad. I know it ended up being, you know, 3.4 billion or something like that. Well, here's the interesting thing about the railroad. It's nothing more than kind of a concrete rail with some railroad tracks on it.

And an old outdated 1980s computer system that never worked. There's no way in possibility that this thing cost $100,000, let alone a billion dollars. I mean, the amount of materials that went into this is probably under a million dollars worth of materials. So when I start to look at this thing, I'm like, oh, what the hell's going on here? There's no way. And by the way, in B Concourse at the United Shop Office that we had down in under in the tunnels, we had all the original blueprints of Denver International Airport. And so you have you have blueprints from, I don't know people knew this, but if you go to the concourse,

right where the Eagle Hotel corridor is, right now that came later after I left. But there is a Freemason declaratory stone that is there. And on it is the names of the companies that actually help to build Denver International Airports. One of them is known as Martin Marietta. Yes. Now, people might not recognize that name, but that eventually became Lockheed Martin. But Martin Marietta, people do their history.

This goes back to the Manhattan Project. This goes into underground tunnel burrowing for deep underground bases. Martin Marietta was involved in tons of different classified bases and projects throughout the defense industry. So just keep that in mind because I think that that plays a role in a lot of this. But you find the Martin Marietta tunnel designs of what they were doing and all of this. This was all down in there. And I'm not an architect. so looking at those things it's like gibberish but you can kind of go through and get a good glimpse

of what's going on um so i i went through every single concourse i went to every single door that i could open and access and every door in the tunnels i could access and i found nothing zero zilch that every gave me any indication that there's an underground military facility never saw any military coming in or out the the traffic into the airport is all controlled so when you're an employee you have employee parking you all get on buses you take those buses you go through security and then you go out to your destination whatever concourse that is never sell any military going in never people you didn't recognize with you know military indications badges government cat cards you get that through tsa and stuff like that sure but but it's a pretty open place and you can kind of see when

you're an employee who everybody is and you see them on a daily basis and you see them throughout the day actually working but then one day I noticed something. And this, this was like, so I was taken off from a flight on the United Airlines flight. And I started looking down and I said, that looks like an air exhaust vent in the middle of the fields by DIA. And I said, that's kind of odd, right? And go back the next few days and I'm in the tunnels. I'm going down there.

And the H-FAC systems at DIA are subfloors. So you have kind of like you have a basement, then you have a tunnel system. And then below that about 30 to 40 feet down is an HVAC system. And you can't get in there. It's all locked off. And I'm looking down in there and I'm taking pictures with my cell phone at the time. And I noticed something. The venting is going down, not up.

And I said, wait a minute. That vent, the venting can't go. There's nothing under there 40 feet down from the tunnel system from the there in a sub-system. Like, why is this going down? And I started to put two and two together like I think I figured it out. Of course. So 15 miles away from Denver International Airport. By the way, it's 54 square miles just outside of Denver, Colorado.

It's not actually in Denver. Give everybody a little backstory is you had the airport that was actually inside Denver, known as Stapleton Airport. and which was working and nothing was wrong with it nothing wrong with it whatsoever but they did build up a lot of communities around the edges of stapleton and apparently they're getting a lot of noise complaints and the mayor is like well this is ridiculous let's build a three billion dollar airport and put it out in the middle of nowhere i think that that was a huge cover story there is nothing wrong with stapleton there was no reason to move stapleton and um hopefully i can kind of help everybody see

what this was actually about. Number one is if you're going to build a deep underground military base or an underground military complex, you can't do it publicly. No. Number two is you have to have funding kind of redirected through ancillary methodologies. Right.

Like NASA. Like NASA, right? Yeah. So building an airport under 54 square miles, right? would be a good way to do this. Absolutely. Now, 15 miles, 10 to 15 miles outside the Denver International Airport is Buckley Air Force Base. That's right.

Now Buckley Space Force Base. That's right. Buckley Space Force Base. Now, at the same time that Stapleton moved, another Air Force Base in Denver actually shut down. Lowry Air Force Base. And they moved much of that command infrastructure to Schreber and to Buckley. Now Buckley during the 1980s when DIA was actually under construction was a reserve base, National Guard reserve base.

It wasn't necessarily a fully active duty base, although they did host the DPS projects, the defense support projects, the initiative for the Sibbers, these space-based infrared radar systems. So they were one of the command and control nodes for a lot of that. If you go down to Aurora, Colorado, you'll have Buckley and around Buckley, what you're going to see is you're going to see Lockheed Martin. You're going to see Boeing. You're going to see Raytheon. And they're all right there in one circle around Buckley. Now, if I wanted to build or expand an underground military facility below Buckley, how would I do that? I can't start taking up ground in communities that are already developed.

I would have to find a spot close by and I would have to excavate, but I'd have to cover it up somehow. And so there's always been rumors for people out there, Buckley Air Force Base, old World War II base, that they had underground bunkers, tunnel systems underneath Buckley that were utilized during World War II, developed during World War II, and that there was basically command and control fallback node centers. So if something ever happened in Washington, D.C., the Pentagon or other command authorities within the military infrastructure, there's fall black places. And one of them in the middle of the country would have been Colorado, Buckley Air Force Base. And so they have command and control centers underneath this whole infrastructure. So it's my theory that the Denver International Airport was either a new construction or an extension of the underground facilities through Buckley.

And the reason you didn't see massive burrowing of underground excavators directly from DIA Denver International Airport is because one of the things that you realize about these things is number one is you're not getting them out of the ground once they're in there and they burrowed tunnels miles five miles down to the ground. You're not going to pop it up and take it out and disassemble it and put it in the store somewhere. They're going to stay under there. And so what they most likely did is burrowed all the way down 15 miles out, built the underground facility infrastructure, utilize DIA to cover it up, build all of the air exchange and CO2 exchange facilities through DIA, have cooling plots on top of DIA that you can actually see that probably a micro nuclear reactor operating under there. That would be my guess. But I do believe that there is an underground

military facility under Denver International Airport, but there is no access directly through Denver International Airport. There is no speculation about alien. and all this stuff about being in there. The Dulce, Dulce, New Mexico Bay is that's a different story. Yeah. Right. But Denver International Airport,

I do believe that it is a space command and control center that is probably underground, deep underground military base. If people want to actually learn more about the funding of this, Catherine Offrin Fitz, I know you know this. Oh, yes. It did a whole research investigation

on the $21 trillion over 20 years span that was spent by our military to build deep underground military base. that she claims isn't being used. I would say actually the majority of them are being used. Yeah, I believe that they would be as well. I mean, why create all of that infrastructure with, you know, no reason to actually go in there? I mean, I understand, obviously, to have them as a fail safe, if something catastrophic does happen above ground. I mean, you know, you've got Cheyenne Mountain and all of those like publicly accepted locations for bases where, you know, they say, okay, we are doing this here.

but the safest and most intelligent way to do it would be to have a underground network like what we're seeing here on the map that would be all connected to each other with some type of fast rail system that would connect so that you could go from one to another and I know you've got something to say about that as well I do so actually someone in that they said there's a tunnel from DIA the Cheyenne Mountain well it's not in DIA it would be the underground facility at Denver International Airport that actually connects to Cheyenne and then from Cheyenne to White Sands and the from white sands to Nevada complex. So I was telling you before the show that when I was in the military in San Diego, before I worked at DIA, I was getting on a plane for Thanksgiving to go to Las Vegas. My dad and his wife were out there in Las Vegas. I got a few days leave, jumped on a plane.

And sure enough, I'm always in the way back on these planes. And a guy comes on and sits next to me, probably in his mid-30s. We start talking. He's like, what do you do? I tell him what I work on?

in the military he's like oh man you're gonna get out anytime soon you should come work at us i'm at spay war and this is what i'm doing over there and we started talking deeper and he goes hey we're coming into nevada i want you to check something out and i said yeah what's that he goes you see that lake over there and you can kind of see this lake in this remote part of nevada and goes look down in there what do you see i go is that a submarine he goes yeah and i'm like how the hell do you get a submarine in the middle of nevada he goes oh let me kind of help you out here. And this is what he tells me.

He says, he goes, think about the U.S. coastline, continental coastline. He goes, it's being bombarded by saltwater day and day out. The erosion should have eaten this away over 100 million years, but it actually hasn't. And he goes, the reason being is because the understructure of our continent is very porous. And so it absorbs a lot of the oceanic waters. And those oceanic waters actually flow up, deposit.

it's salt and then come freshwater lakes okay and i said okay that actually makes a lot of sense and he goes but these pores we can build tunnels in them massive tunnels he goes we have coastal tunnels that we can burrow through all the way to nevada and we've done that so essentially an underwater saltwater tunnel from the coast all the way into Nevada. Yeah. That's insane. This is what he was telling me. I mean, I believe it, though.

That's the thing. I mean, it's just as a feat of engineering, I never really thought about it. I mean, of course, you know, in coordination with this conversation, I mean, the underground military bases in, you know, the center of America, certainly. And I'm sure you're also aware of the tales of underwater bases that would be like off the coast. There's one famous one, I believe in Laguna, California. that was covered up very recently by Google Maps.

But there have been a number of sightings that happened there. And it looks like perfectly. There's a shelf with an opening. Of course, you can't find it anymore. You gotta go find an archive photograph of it. But the idea of tunneling from the coast all the way inland. I mean, it's brilliant, but it's just mind blowing. Well, so then I asked this guy, what did he do?

And he says, well, I'm a software developer. And I built the computer lock mechanisms that inter-exchange the tunnel systems. Oh, like a lock. Like in a canal, okay, wow. Yeah, like a locking canal system. And I said, well, what do you mean? He goes, we have an interconnection of all of the underground complexes throughout the United States of America with hyper speed train systems. And you have to have various different locking systems because they work and operate in a vacuum. And he goes, I build the computer software that actually

operates and runs that. And I'm like, wait a second. That that sounds a lot like Elon Musk's hyperloop. It absolutely does. This was back in 2005, 2006, when I had this discussion. And so, you know, I started thinking like, whoa, there's a lot of stuff happening out there. And I already kind of knew this, right? I had experiences when I was a kid. You want to talk about underground, underwater bases. there's a part in the pacific ocean that when you go out into this area weird stuff begins to happen okay okay so my first deployment uh in boats is probably out there he's he's a bad lander but we serve together on the same ship okay and um we were out in uh if you know where the galapagos islands are so you got like peru and ecuador and off about 150 200 miles you have the galapagos islands you want to go at about 100 miles off the galapagos islands the reason you go to

out in this area when you're a U.S. Navy vessel is because drug traffickers and human traffickers, they don't go in straight lines. They actually go in waypoints. So they will make drops and waypoints and instead of going from like Ecuador to Central America, they will go down and up and around and just kind of do all these track points through waypoints. And then they mark their waypoints on a GPS. They send those signals and share it with other traffickers and they go out there. So we're always out there looking at these old late waypoints that we know that they had of how they would traffic drugs. So we're about 150 miles off the Galapagos Islands. And I'm on watch. And so in the military, everybody who served, you have a watch. It's not necessarily your primary job, but it's kind of like

your secondary job. Everybody's going to do it. My watch was watching a fire control radar. Fire control is gun missile weapon control systems. We had a Mark 92 gun missile fire control system. That's a watch that I stood. I had three radar selectors on my my mark 92 radar I had my spiz 49 my spiz 55 and then my fire control radar so you have an air search a surface search and then your fire control radar your fire control radar has a good accuracy up about 20 25 yeah I should be able to know notical miles your your surface search about 55 spiz 55 and then your spiz 49 radar which is your air search is about 250 nautical miles within the air corridor and it's like two in the morning two 30 in the morning I work

falls a seven um i smoked so i'm like hey i got nothing on radar we're all clear i'm gonna go have a smoke they're like yep go have fun i go out port side midship which is right side of the ship middle of the ship and to give anybody this kind of thought that just came in mind being on the ocean on the equator in the middle of the night when it's just starlit nights clear skies calm waters warm temperatures is probably one of the most beautiful experiences you'll ever have in your life i can imagine so i cherish these types of experiences and i go out there and i'm just kind of looking over the rail and i'm smoking my cigarette and all of a sudden on the horizon i see a red light fly up in the air and you know how like you you have a red light and then you have like a red

burning light right yeah like like a flare and i thought it was a flare so i see the flare come up and I'm like, oh, shit. And I go to the, the, the, the, the phone and I call up to the bridge and go, hey, we got a flare portside midship right on horizon about probably eight to 16 nautical miles. They're like, hold, hold. They go out to the big eyes. You see them out there with the big eyes looking out. They go, yep, we see it. I'll come back up the combat. So I hang up the phone and I start running up the combat. And everybody's on their radars. We're trying to get sensor data. Like, is there a boat out there? And we're flipping through radars, trying to figure this out. And then you get a call from the bridge down the combat. and the officer the deck says and he goes petty officer read down there like yeah yeah you have to reach him you know one thing about he goes is he sure that this thing shot up from the from the water and moved up i said oh yeah it absolutely did he goes you know usually when a flare launches it falls down after right he says this thing has not fallen down and so everybody's like kind of like well what is it and so the captain comes down and he's he's sitting in the towel chair

And he's like, well, let's move towards it. So we start moving towards it. And by the way, we have nothing on radar. There's zero zilch, not on radar. We should have picked this up by now. And you guys can still see it in the sky, though? Oh, yeah. It's sitting in the sky.

Big, bright red, looks like a burning flare in the sky. We start moving closer towards it, but we're never gaining on it. It's almost as if it's moving away as fast as we're moving towards it. Right. So they launched the Hilo. S860 Bravo. they ask the helo starts moving towards it it starts moving away from the helo the same velocity and we're watching it on the helo has a fleer system infrared radar system and so all of a sudden

it stops and the helo starts gain on it it drops down and we watch this thing in fleer in the fleer video submerge and just go down in the water wow and what happened to the water when it hit nothing not no but well and you're looking at fleer so you really can't tell. But from what we heard is nothing happened. There wasn't splashes and stuff like that. The water just kind of enveloped it. No obvious disturbance.

I mean, because I'm thinking about, you know, what it would take for an object like that to move like, you know, silently and without any sort of drag through the water. And, I mean, it's almost like the atoms would just split

and give room for it to move through it. Well, and that comes into a discussion about gravity and kind of how these craft actually work. and maybe we can get into the core ideas behind that here in a little bit now i told this story to um what's her name uh linda moulton how back in 2000 straight out of the military was some of the first things i i've spoken to linda moulton how in a number of occasions did did she tell your story on earth files uh yes she told my story on the coast and this was back in like 2011

2012 oh dude that's what i was like listening to her every single show that's hilarious I might have heard this before. Okay. Keep going. Yeah. So I mean for people want to like I don't go back to the original story and I just go from memory. But yeah, I told this story right out of the military to Lyndon Moulton Howe because it was one of like a profound experience like what was that? I remember the captain. He's like sitting there. He's like he said he goes remove all entries from all log books. I don't care to hear any more about this and went to bed. Wow. And the reason is because I mean nobody wants paperwork. Of course. There's not there's not there's nothing there. We didn't like, right? We didn't find anything crazy. We just had an experience. And over the course of the next two weeks, while we operated in this area, the AOR over there, weird stuff began to happen. There was, we had, I saw it, other people saw it, like the six foot tall red bird. And they would talk, they would say it was a thunderbird. Oh, it's just the thunderbirds coming from the Galapagos Islands. And I'm like, six foot tall, like red feathers looks like a phoenix big red beak human eyes like we we saw it multiple different times like

how close um we saw it there's a group of me of me and about five other guys on the smoking area portside midship that saw it about 15 feet away holy geez yep and then our forward lookout saw it multiple times it would land on the forecastle right on the the front of the ship and he would be like he's from Senegal and he'd be like a big bridge there's a big bird on the folks oh you see the cameras pan and then you'd see like a shadow because it's all dark you can't see anything out there you see like the shadow fly off um then on that same deployment a few weeks later we pulled in the Panama Vasco Dunes de Boa Panama which is pretty cool and then we transited through the Panama Canal and as you're transiting the Panama Canal all the old sailors are like

Oh, man, we're hopefully we get to see Blackbeard's pirate ship. And there's an old Navy story of Blackbeard's pirate ship that you encounter in the Caribbean. A ghost ship, okay. A ghost ship. Yeah. Yeah. A ghost ship. And I'm like, really?

No way. So we get out there and about a day in in our transit into the Caribbean. Balls to seven watch again. And we get a radar contact. And it was picked up by one of the OSs and we all start to track this thing. and we had a p3 orion so an aircraft overhead we're looking for drug smugglers basically uh the go fast boats that the trump administration's been bombing the shit up that's what we're looking for that's moving small vessels and so we come out and we see this this contact and it's moving really

fast 40 50 knots or at least that's what it appears on our sensors uh the p3 reverts goes towards it the P3 picks it up and then all of a sudden you all of a sudden it just disappears from our radar screen and you hear the P3 go did you guys see that we're like see what he goes we're picking it up about 80 miles away now we're like huh and so our surface search we can't see that far out but we picked it up on the air search because now it had elevation pirate ship whatever this was We chased this thing for three hours and it did this continuously. And it'd go 30, 40, 50 knots on the ocean level. And then it would move an elevation and it would take off and move 50, 60 miles instantaneously. Wow. And when a P3 was flying around, they're just like, you know, we're going to call this off. And then someone in the combat said, just Blackbeard's pirate ship guys.

Let's just leave it alone. Right. And I'm like, this is a freaking UFO. This isn't Blackbeard ship. You know, like this is crazy. So my last experience in the Navy was actually my last day out to sea, which was my birthday in 2007. So we pulled out for a weekend, Friday through Sunday. And typically when we pull out for a weekend, we don't go outside of international waters.

We stay within 100 miles of the coastline. And we're at about 170 miles, 170 miles outside of the coastline. and you still had cell reception back in 2007. So a lot of people were out there smoking and calling family because you could get it outside of the skin of the ship. And I remember I'm watching, have you ever seen a satellite in the sky? Definitely, yeah. Right.

Now, majority of those things are satellites, right? Right. As much as flat earthers want to debate that they're satellites. A lot of them aren't. Some of them are not satellites. And that night we were watching, I was watching three objects one, two, three, moving through the sky. DC1, I remember, DC1, Hayes, he kind of looked at me.

He goes, what are you doing, Reed? You're looking for UFOs again? Because we had all talked about these stories on our last two deployments. And I said, no, I'm looking at them. And you just see like 30 people stop and look up. And we start looking at these three objects and they're like, what the hell is that? They're like, that's satellites. And someone's like, you ever seen satellites move in a line like that?

Yeah. And then someone calls it up to the bridge. The bridge calls down. They don't know what the hell that is. They call the freaking, I don't want to say Holloman or they call one of the Air Force bases. The Air Force base is like, we don't have anything in the sky that's, we're not monitoring anything in space out there. And they're going like this, Zach, and then all of a sudden, cross section, you see three more objects come turn and join in formation with them. And everybody's like, holy shit.

They got their cell phone cameras out and they're all filming it. two days later three days later new year's eve six UFOs were recorded and spotted over ocean beach in san diego oh wild right over the ocean video evidence of it um was all over the news channels and i'm like that was them that was the same damn six that we saw um so that was like my first experiences in the navy with kind of this weird and unusual stuff and a lot more stuff happened contact-wise, I guess, kind of my life later on after I left San Diego and got into D.C. because I was stationed Washington, D.C. for three years. Well, hold that thought because I do want to hear those stories, but I have to tell everybody about the next sponsor of the program,

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And he lived not far from an airport. I mean, it was several miles away. But sitting on the back porch, we could see all of the incoming and outgoing traffic coming and landing on the tarmac. And so it's nighttime, got a little fire going out back there, having a couple of I still drank way back then. And we're watching the planes come and go. And I'm also watching all of the satellite traffic going back and forth. And so I've been out there for a couple of hours, and I was pretty accustomed to what I

should be expecting to see. And I see this one light come across the sky, and it's moving significantly faster than any of the satellites that I had seen. And so it immediately caught my eye. And it was brighter as well. And I was like, I was with a friend. And I was like, hold. I was like, do you see that one right there?

And they were like, yeah. And it came across the sky. And then it just stopped dead right at this, you know, like probably like 25 degrees to my left. And I was like, oh my God. Like that's definitely not a satellite. And it's certainly not a plane. And whatever it was, the light appeared to get bright. but it also appeared to move closer to us and and then it shot to the left it shot up at you know 45 degree

angle and then back down it basically made like a delta in the sky and then it went to the center of that triangle and then it got very very bright and then it shot off into space and it was gone and it all happened so fast i had a cell phone i could have taken in a video, but I was in awe, like watching it. I've seen lots of things, but that was probably the most spectacular. I love that. Yeah. I'm an avid sky watcher, so every, every spring and summer, it's like, I got two acres here, not huge, but we got the fire going. I will have a few beers, and I'm just affixed to the night sky.

And we got our satellite trackers out, and we're watching for satellites, the International Space Station. We'll have telescopes out. But I've seen some things very similar to that. And for anybody who's ever watched a satellite, one thing that you're going to notice about a satellite, and this is how you can detect them, is they're going to have consistent velocity. Their speed is not going to change. Their directionality is not going to change.

And their luminosity typically won't change. Now, what you'll have is if you're watching a satellite and it gets really, really bright and then dim again, time that out. because you have what's called spinners and their old satellite debris that are actually spinning very very slowly and so what happens you have the reflective edge that'll hit the sun and it'll get really bright and then dim bright and dim and dim and that'll happen in periodicity so you can actually time that out usually like every five or eight seconds um and that's how you kind of identify satellites the stuff that i've seen that you've seen is not a freaking satellite um one example i was um

And when I lived in Colorado, I was out my backyard. And this is kind of when I started getting into the, you know, the Stephen Greer conversations. And I can consciously attract these things and get your laser pointer out there. And I had a really high end laser pointer. You were doing the whole CE5 protocol and everything? I was. I was. And I'm sitting there and I'm like flickering my laser pointer in the sky.

And I start thinking in my head, I'm like, I want to see one of these things come out of light speed out of faster than light. Right. And by the way, I have my phone set up. up on a tripod and I'm recording what I'm doing and this used to be on my TikTok before it got shut down my first TikTok and all of a sudden right where I just put that laser pointer you see boom boom and it stops and then just starts it was really bright when it came in and stopped and it starts moving really slowly and then it then it then it dims out and then I'm like oh oh my god oh my god got i'm looking at my phone i'm like okay i got it and then all of a sudden but boom

but boom but boom seven of them in a row oh my freaking spot and they all did the same thing they all dimmed out and i said i'm like trying to rationalize why do they just dim out but then i realize they're not dimming out they're moving away from the earth so as they come forth in a linear spot and then move away this way the moving away from you is going to cause that light to dim out and get smaller and smaller and I'm like right and I caught that on camera I had that posted on my TikTok I got it on my old computer over here I can I'll try to get it posted again I would love that I would love to yeah but um I've seen them do 90 degree turns I've seen the really fast ones and this is a problem that I have is the majority of satellites have to maintain a velocity

of about 20 000 miles per hour to maintain a low earth orbit but you'll see these ones that are traveling three four five times faster and then you'll get the science this be like, well, how do you know it's three, four, five times? How do you even know their elevation and it wasn't a plane? Like, you can just tell when something's inside the atmosphere versus not inside the atmosphere. Right. And then with its velocity, when that thing's whipping across the sky three times faster than the International Space Station, I don't know any satellites that really move that fast. Maybe there is, but highly unlikely. My thought is we probably got a fleet of X37 Bs out there patrolling around in the skies. I mean, it's, it's,

It's logical, right? Why build one when you can build 10 of them and have them all doing various different missions out there? And we know the X37B is out there. We know that it's traveling around probably for, you know, ISR capabilities is that instead of having a satellite that has to reposition in 27 minutes over Iran, you send the X37B out there at 40,000 miles per hour and it's there within 45 seconds. Right? Like, so I try to rationalize things, but there's things in my life that I have not been able to rationalize. And one of them was an experience I have when I was 10 years old. So I was obsessed with martial arts. I had been in martial arts from six years of age, 18 years of age.

Me and my buddy, we thought we were ninjas. We used to get, you know, the ninja costumes and the tabby boots. And one night he was sleeping over at my mom's house. My parents were divorced and there's about 400 yards in a lot. field between my mom's house and my dad's house and there's like a grocery store here there's a little mound right here and there's a factory warehouse right here and uh one night we decided to dress up as ninjas and we got our masks on we got our tabby boots and we go and take kitchen knives and we stuff them in our pants and we're playing ninja and i'm like let's go to my dad's house

it's like 10 30 at night and we start crawling on the ground like ninjas and we get by this little berm and i remember looking to the right and and my buddy tom who was sleeping over we both looked at the right and my house was about 20 minutes away from rochester international airport in western new york and so we had planes that flew over this area all the time and i remember we looked up and i said wow that plane's really low and it's really bright and it looked like i'm like oh my god it looks like it's going to crash or it's going to land on us and the last thing i remember is looking at Tom and goes I don't hear anything and then the next thing I know is we're crawling crawling again but this time I was getting all wet from the dew on the ground and we get up and

we're like oh let's run and we start running to my dad's house and we get to my dad's house and he opens the screen door he's like where the hell have you been we've been looking for you guys for hours and I'm like what are you talking about it's like 15 minutes later yeah and he gets us inside and it's 4.30 in the morning. We left at 10.30. And so I told this story multiple different times on my podcast. And we went to a Zoom chat afterwards and I'm telling the story again. And someone says, you had missing time. I'm like, no, I didn't. And I told the story just like I told you. I'm like, what? Like, you had missing time. In Zach, I'll tell you, it did not compute. it like would not register the missing time that isn't you've got a psychic block that they put in

there i i don't know it's just it would not register the missing time like even know that i knew there was 4 30 to 430 i just was not logically just going in there and saying hey you had missing time yeah right and so many years later i tried to figure out what had happened right what was my experience what had happened to me uh and i had um So when I went to Washington, D.C., I had a lot of interesting people I met. I was in a lot of different communities and groups. I was an avid Ron Paul supporter, helped Ron Paul campaign. And during the time, I was active duty Navy.

I was working at the U.S. Navy Yard in Southeast D.C., which is a really bad part, Barry Farms, that area. I was one of the probably the first few hundred members of the Oathkeepers when they established in 2007. and I helped run events for the oathkeepers and for other conservative groups in Washington, D.C. during that time frame. And we would have, we were put together about Congresses, which then goes into September 11th, the few things that we had happened with that. And then we would always talk about conspiracies and stuff like that, but met congressmen, I met senators, I met staffers, I met people in the Pentagon, DOD, just lots of great people

that I met through my time out there in D.C. And I was also big in a lot of the spiritual communities. I mean, I'm a Christian, but I would just like, there's got to be more spiritually, right? So I was always into the spiritual communities. I've been kind of, I guess, psychic my whole life, if that makes sense to people. It's not something that I ever wanted. It's just something that you have innately within you. But I mean, so I always kind of like try to get answers.

What is this? right and um i met some people through that spiritual community that taught me a lot of things about my mind my body my my understanding of consciousness and the world and reality and i mean i had um paranormal experiences growing up like i lived in haunted house after haunted house i did too and i mean there was um you'd walk out of your house the house next to my house was absolutely haunted and there'd be something just staring at you and there's you know you're If you ever had that feeling, something's looking at you. It was just this evil presence.

And my mom's house that I was talking about before, never wanted to be there. I've been pulled across a couch by an object that my dog tried to attack it in the corner and there's nothing there. Massive paranormal experience is my whole childhood. But I tried to understand that most of my life. So in the spiritual communities in Nova, Northern Virginia and kind of old town Virginia area, if anybody knows this, There's an old spiritual bookstore and the building it's in is like probably seven, eight hundred years old and a lot of those buildings are really, really old. And I kind of got organized with a few different people that taught me a little bit more

about how the mind works and how to meditate. And I know a lot of Christians out there are probably like, oh my God, meditations for the devil. It's not. It's the same thing as prayer, maybe even an extension of prayer. And I learned how to meditate to a very, very large degree. now little back history when i was a teenager i ate a lot of acid guilty but i mean like i started at 12 oh god 14 14 yeah and i went to 18 and did a hard stop and actually i was write my first book called transcending the state what i learned from over 150 lsd trips before the age of 18 and honestly i only picked the number 150

because I didn't want to sound like a drug addict and say 500, right? But one of the things that I missed later in my life was like that perceptibility, being able to change the perception of reality. And one of the things I was taught was how to go into meditative states, hypnagogic states and stay conscious. So if people ever wonder why they call it falling asleep, It's because actually what, at least what I believe is happening is your consciousness recesses from the body. Kind of like your autonomous nervous system switches over.

Your consciousness also recesses. And it gives a sensation or feeling of falling backwards. The problem is, is that when your brain goes to sleep, it injects DMT and you don't remember anything from that experience. So the next night, you don't worry about falling asleep. Well, you can take yourself in consciousness to that point of hypnagogia where your autonomous nervous system kicks in and your body goes to sleep but the mind is still awake. Right. And you can learn to navigate that whole area of your mind. And this is one of the things that I did back then that allowed me to kind of replicate being stoned or tripping

on an outside, at least kind of the mental effects of kind of being in a different realm of reality, if that makes sense. So I learned this and I've been practicing it for many, many years. And I kind of, I guess I perfected it more so with my own self. But it's a form of self hypnosis. If anybody wants to look at it like that. It's a form of communication with your subconscious mind where you can actively go out into your imagination and control the imagination to where it's not running wild. But instead, you control the construct and you can move the page and you can go to the next destination that you consciously direct and think. This is like some men who stare at goats, Angoswan type stuff.

It really is. Yeah. Yeah. And I've learned it over the years and I've really kind of perfected it at least for my own self. It's not something easy to teach other people. Sure. But so later on in my life, I wanted to learn what the hell happened during that missing time. Right.

What happened during that experience? And so I went into one of these states a few years ago, three or four years ago. And people can believe me or not believe me. The experience for me is absolutely real. I now have a memory of re-remembering it, if that makes sense. Yes, it was self-hypnosis. Yes, it was me going into my mind to kind of pull out what I believe was happening. The preface this conversation.

One of the other things that I learned is that when your consciousness or your mind here in this three-dimensional, four-dimensional reality, experience is something it doesn't understand that maybe is outer-dimensional. something that is just not explained within this framework of reality, your brain can't make sense of it. It's like having a silo it. Yeah, it's like back in the day when you try to open a PDF up on an iMac, right? It just didn't work. Right. You get gibberish. Well, your brain has the same way when it's trying to understand things that are outside of its norm. So what it does is it creates, it pulls from your memory branch the best association of what it believes that that thing is. So I want to pull it. preface this that number one is do I believe the story not wholly and hardly because I know that my

brain is creating things that it is filling the gaps with. Sure. And you've got like a lifetime of like research and experience since then that have probably informed what it was that you were able to pull out from that six hours. Correct. Absolutely. So I mean, I had the experience and I remember I was sitting on this this table and it was very narrow table kind of like this and it was silver metal silver um and there is this being in front of me and he's got his back towards me and then i hear my buddy tommy screaming in my left ear and he's screaming ma ma ma he's crying and i remember thinking i know why he's crying and the being turns around and says well then why is he crying but he doesn't say it he

says it to me mentally. And I said, because he's not because he doesn't understand. He says, what doesn't he understand? That you're not going to hurt him. He goes, how do you know we're not going to hurt you? I said, because I've been here before. And he says, oh, so you remember. And the conversation goes on. He goes, well, feel free to ask questions. And I said, well, the one question I have is, how am I developing these questions now in the future after this event happened? but as a surrogate when i'm 10 years old sitting on this table he goes well that was the point wasn't it he goes we took you then to talk to you now oh that's fucking wild dude and like i got shivers when i when i told you that because that was the big revelation out of that and i'm going like oh

what yeah like number one i don't think my mind created that because that's some sci-fi shit like philip K Dick stuff that's out there yeah yeah um that when that came back i was like whoa and it goes on about kind of you know various different aliens and alien agendas and all this stuff and arch nemesis and a lot of stuff that plays out that i just don't know if it's true or real or whatnot although that same type of being is something that i've had experiences with throughout my life um tall seven foot tall very very thin kind of obular type of head. They have hair, usually white, gray kind of glistening. Their clothing is kind of white, but kind of shimmering white. I don't really not explain it, but they're like what touches it green and stuff like that, very kind of angelic types of

beings, if that makes sense. And they've never, in all my experiences, I've, I've, I've had three experiences with them and never have they ever gave me bad information. Never had they gave me, made me feel like a presence of evil or betrayed or anything like that. And when I say information, there's things that happened earlier on when a lot of this stuff started happening in my life that have come to fruition, have come true. That I was kind of given information. I don't want to say like prophetic. I'm just a dude man. I'm just a dude who likes to research conspiracies.

And these are just experiences I had, right? And it's not anything I shared with people at the time. But he goes on to tell me that, you know, humanity right now is much, much older than the people on this planet proceed to be in that we are their, their offspring, that they seeded this planet a million years ago. And the reason is, is because they were a dying race, that they're almost extinct. And they've watched over us over all of this time to ensure that we develop and that there is other entities on this planet that are trying to control and manipulate humanity, but that there's certain precautions in place to where they can't just go in and invade and take over is basically the story that came about. Okay.

Which, I mean, kind of aligns with a lot of the stuff that we already know. And that's why I say is like, did this just come out of my brain and it's trying to fill in gaps of maybe things that doesn't understand? I got 0% of the message or maybe 20% of the message. I don't know or maybe it's all bullshit. Who knows? But I tell the story because these are experiences I've had. Do I believe it all? I keep it in my mind.

And then I watch things progress in the world. I watch as we're going into a point of disclosure right now with the Trump administration. I'm watching as more and more people come through with experiences that they've had. And I try to cross-reference to similarities. I try to look at the storylines. And you probably notice this too. You can see whose stories are far out there and whose stories converge. And a lot of the times you'll find out with the convergence stories, especially in the UFO community.

It's because some person heard this on a podcast 20 years ago and now they're revalidating that person's experiences with making up their own storyline of their experiences. That goes back to that whole mental process that I just talked about. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, I'm very, I'm very cautious when it comes to talking about these things. And simply telling people, I don't know. Like, I think the best explanation of UFO abduction that I've ever heard in my life was from Sammy Hagar. And if people don't remember, the Sammy Hagar put out a biography back in like it had to be 2008. And he talked about how he was abducted by aliens while he was living in Cabo San Lucas. And. And, And he was on the radio and he was being asked a question. That was Elliot the morning in DC who was asking him the question and Sammy said, oh, no, they don't take your body. They just take your mind.

And I found that so fascinating because all the experiences I've had were very similar in that is that it was all mental and construct of how communication was flowing. And I just find it fascinating kind of in that context. But with a lot of people, you know, I was taking. it up and I saw Ezekiel's wheel and I saw the earth rotating. I don't throw much merit to that type of stuff just because it's you know these people that come out and claim to be like the you know oh the aliens have talked to me the Lyrians are talking to me or the Pelletians are talking to me. This is what they're saying. I'm like the star seeds. Yeah. Well, you know, if the Pelletians are talking to you,

why are they just talking to some unknown person who right was completely oblivious to the world before this why aren't they going to the president why are they going to these other people you know why aren't they communicating with a hundred different people and correlate in that message in real time yeah you know like it doesn't some stuff this doesn't make sense and i think that we can filter out the bullshit from the truth right there's a lot of bullshit artists out there's definitely a lot of bullshit absolutely is and i would say probably 85% of the stuff in the UFO world and community is is a lot of bullshit yes um or at least maybe misunderstood or um you know i i haven't talked about this too much but there's a new there's a there's a there's a revolution going on right

and i know obviously we all know that with the political and in the social and cultural but there's a technological revolution going on i just wrote an article about two weeks ago called the 500 year leap and this is something that i was told was going to happen uh actually after my last experience that i had in 2016 by this this saying like by this being And let me bring the context of this story in first is I studied and researched the occult and esoteric mysteries for many, many, many years. When I was in Virginia, I was really big into a lot of this stuff and learning and understanding practical magic and how these worlds and realms and domains actually operated. And my really interest in it was trying to explain it with practical science. how can I take and apply science to the understanding that removes the mysticism right and it's really

kind of been a goal my whole life is to kind of converge those two worlds is explain the unexplained well I took a break from all of that I had some weird stuff happened to me um with all of that stuff paranormal stuff that started occurring and my wife at the time she's like you need to just that's it because it was happening to her and me at the same time she's like you need to stop and i had a kid on the way and i'm like okay put it all the way for a while and in in 2016 i just felt time was ready to get back into it i started researching the ark of the covenant and not the ark of the covenant from the biblical side but more of the esoteric occult side of what the understanding was in the mysteries of the ark of the covenant and arc of the covenant

is stored in the holy of the holies in solomon's temple and i start researching solomon's temple and I start getting breakthroughs I start realizing oh my goodness like what this was all about and the the symbolic representation the archetypical representation of solomon's temple in the arc of the covenant and really jacquine and boaz right they fool you with trickery at your left and your right eye that everything that you see out here is nothing more than an illusion that's created back here in the deepest darkest spot of your brain that's never experienced light before in its existence and it creates a fiction and what it believes is actually out there.

So the illusion that your reality is actually an illusion. Sure. It's actually a memory. So your experience of reality right now is a memory. And if people don't believe me, your body has to process all the external stimuli. That takes about one one hundredth of a millionth of a second before you actually experience, which means that reality's already a hundred millionth of a second past that point in time, which means that you've encapsulated as a memory.

So when we start to understand that reality itself is a self- illusion then we have the 12 houses of bread that you go through for solomon's template well you have 12 ganglia that sit over top of your pineal gland and these 12 extensions of your neural ganglia um i look at as various different configurations of kind of how the human psyche operates i'm not going to get too in depth than it but if you can master the various different archetypes of mind the 12 archetypes of mind you unlock a 13th and that goes into the contract with god or the arc of the covenant the understanding the relationship the relationship with God. And you can't know God unless you know yourself, right? Sure. So you're like,

you have to know yourself. And that means mastering your mind, mastering the archetypical nature of your psyche. And once you understand that, now you can begin your relationship with God. And this is what a lot of the occult people and esoteric masters and religious monks and so forth tried to do throughout their life was master this internal state to have a more robust relationship with God, the creator, right? And so I figure all this out. I wipe it all down. I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Me and my buddy were going to have a fire that night. And so I'm going to take a shower and water is my medium. Like I don't know if you like have like air, fire, water. Water is like this translucent medium for me. That once I'm submerged in it, I don't know. Like when I get out of

the shower, I don't know if my eyes were open or closed the whole time. I can't even consciously tell you. I don't know because water just puts me in this hypnotic state. But I get into, with the shower and all of a sudden I got my eyes closed and I feel something moving towards me and I open my eyes and there's nothing there and I closed my eyes and the feeling and sensation is getting closer and closer to me and I mean if anybody's ever had like someone walking near them in a dark room it's what it feels like it's like you can feel the pressure and the heat you can feel the sensation and I go stop and it stopped coming towards me and I say who are you And it says, my name's Jael.

I said, what do you want? And it says, well, you know, when the student is ready, the teacher shall appear. And I'm like, well, there's something someone was going to say to me in the spiritual realm. That's probably it. I said, well, you got my attention. What do you want to talk about? Because I want to talk to you about Solomon's Temple. And he starts giving me some information.

And he goes, I want to tell you about things to come. He tells me about things to come. And one of these is that there is going to be immense chaos. But chaos is actually a system reorganizing itself to a new higher state of optimization. So order of chaos, right? Order out of chaos. Right. And that after the chaos, he says, humanity is going to take this massive technological leap.

I said, okay, right? And I don't really think anything. I tell my buddy about it. And we have this conversation. I write it down in my notepad, which I write all these experiences down in my notepad. A year later, I met my grandma's funeral back in New York State. my mom's really really like revelationist christian and so anything that deals with kind of spiritual experiences she's like oh no that was satan right like oh no that's the devil and so i told my mom

this experience and she goes oh my god that's the devil that's the devil and she goes onto her bookshelf and she pulls out a book called gods and uh angels and demons of the ancient world and i shoot you not jack she opens it up and she goes oh thank goodness and i go thank goodness what she goes well that name's in here and i'm like okay that's an angel she goes it's named jah l spelled the same way and she goes it's the protector of the arc of the cudman oh no shit myself i'm like like i got pale white i'm like no way that was real like whoa so i've kind of i've been talking about this for a long time yeah that we're we're about to hit this now did i know a i was going to be its proxy no i didn't

but right now if everybody wants to look at the trump and the ufo stuff that's happening right now Yeah. Number one is there was direct coordination between Barack Obama and Donald Trump on this. Okay. I don't care what people. Listen, I'm telling you. What are you saying because Obama came out and said that there were aliens? Okay, because Trump didn't seem too happy about that. I mean, he acted like Obama had done something he shouldn't have done. I mean, he didn't comment on it specifically, but he said, I'll tell you what, he gave classified information that he wasn't supposed to reveal. Yep. He said he got that from classified documents, which is a really. indirect confirmation oh definitely a confirmation right yeah but a week before obama was doing that lara trump

went on two different podcasts and said trump has a can speech for extraterrestrials and then you have rock obama just getting asked and oh yeah extra thresholds are real and i mean he could have blew that off trump could have just never said anything about it but trump then capitalize on and said oh now i'm going to have to release the documents you don't think that perhaps that could have just been an obama trying to steal the thunder snake it out from underneath him i mean it's it's a little petty and i can see him doing that maybe yeah um but i i think he was coordinating okay and all right all right this is my thoughts on it yeah um mid last year the trump administration announced something known as the genesis mission you heard of this yet yep okay absolutely so 40 000 experts in their field

American scientists are being brought in and the government is going to have like a co-op of artificial intelligence probably clawed open AI and grok all formulated and it's going to be accessing unclassified and classified data and so patent library all uploaded all the national laboratory department of energy all experiments for the last 50 years all documentation and research papers all funneled into this wow and then what they're going to do is they're going to have these scientists go in there and say, okay, let's start with general relativity and go through all these experiments and see if we missed anything in our analysis. Go through these papers and see if there's anything that talks and discusses about these things. And AI will be able to put that

together instantaneously. That one thing is going to bring about massive technological innovation and scientific breakthroughs. I would agree, especially if it has access to patents that have been suppressed over the years. That's right. Yeah. But here's the kicker. Yeah. So we all know, that there is some type of program that's operating probably outside of government control I think that there's three letter agencies we never heard of that basically control the funding but it's primarily the defense contractors that operate these clandestine USAP programs that have the alien retrieval craft that have the reverse engineering aspects of it and I was listening to the Eric will Eric Davis

and Eric Weinstein's conversation when I was too And I love, I love, like I like Eric Weinstein as much. I know some people don't. Number one is I don't think Eric Davis is really that smart. And I think Eric, Eric Weinstein is very, very smart, but too smart for his own good. I feel like that's a good assessment. Yeah. But, you know, the one thing that they touched on, but neither one of them could come out and really rationally say it was where, where are all the missing physicists?

is if you have projects like this, where are the engineers and the physicists who are working on it? Because everybody we see, Salvatore Paias, all these guys, they're not working on those projects. It's just like the Denver International Airport, underground military base. You don't see them. You don't hear about them publicly because, in my opinion, they were recruited, brought into these platforms at a very young age. And they've been essentially kept underground this entire time. I mean, they're working in secret, so, you know, they're not public. I mean, like, do you know who Eugene Malov was?

He was a cold, he was a cold fusion scientist. He was murdered several years ago, at the age of like 62, 64. Somebody beat him to death in front of his house. It reminded me of the deaths of that, that there was a number of scientists that were murdered recently. Nuno Loro Lurero from MIT. And then there was the Caltech scientists. that was just shot randomly on his homestead in the middle of nowhere. Okay, like both of them were working on advanced tech stuff.

Eugene Malov was, you know, advanced cold fusion technology. He was also just randomly murdered for no reason. What's really interesting about it, though, is that the guy who murdered him just won an appeal on the murder charge based upon exculpatory information being withheld. He has a Brady case. And so he literally, like in the last couple of days, just won his appeal. And he's going to end up going free, which is crazy to me. It was like 2013, so like 12 years ago, this happened.

And I just, I mean, it's, it's very interesting to me that we've got these scientists being taken out because they are the public ones who could broach into these areas of advanced technology and push humanity forward. President Trump announces the release of all of this information from the Pentagon. And then we've also got Major General William McCasland, who was running reverse engineering programs at Wright Patterson. And he worked at Buckley for a while as well. But I mean, these are people that you do know about who could potentially be major catalysts in terms of what we were just talking about. And so that's why I think that the most important people are kept in the dark. Like here's another great example. I got a buddy.

I grew up with him, my best friend. We used to go camping together all the time. He lives in Michigan still. He was in the gate program when he was a kid. And I went to Catholic school. So there was no gate program at the Catholic school. And but he was always at public school. He was in gate.

And, you know, same story you always hear. I mean, just like weird field trips, you know, psychic experiment. you know, teaching these kids things that like, you know, they just kind of took for granted. And, and a lot of those kids end up getting recruited into advanced military programs, okay? They don't even go to high school. They just go like straight into their doctoral programs and then they end up working in the government. You never hear about them. But, but for whatever reason, West didn't.

And something very strange happened when President Trump got elected. I think that they do keep people on deck to use at opportune moments. And this was that moment. So Wes called his congressman, Gary Peters, left a message on his phone. He was pissed off about something. And he basically left this voicemail that he probably shouldn't have. And the FBI ended up calling him or somebody purporting to be FBI called him. And they said, we're going to need you to come in.

And we want to talk to you. And so Wes, you know, he's, he's my age, but he went in with his dad because he didn't have a lawyer. And, and they get in there. And, and he thinks they're going to talk to him about the Gary Peters voicemail. But instead, they say, we've called you in for a very serious reason because you were in the gate program. And there is a group of us within the federal government who are very concerned about your safety. Because the new Trump administration, the new incoming Trump administration, we've gotten intel that some of the more evangelical members of the administration are essentially looking to hunt down the people who are in the gate program. And we believe your life is in danger.

And he was like, are you serious? Like he was like, well, I guess thank you for letting me know. And it was just a very odd conversation. It sounded more to me like they were trying to see if he was somebody that potentially could be radicalized. Recrued. Yes, he could be recruited and then radicalized and perhaps put out into the field as the next Ryan Routh or something like that. I think that that's a spot on assessment. And, you know, the government keeps tabs on all of them, but it's not the government on the surface level.

You know, we talk about agencies, you know, CIA runs the world and all this stuff. And, you know, it's not the CIA surface level. Yeah, it's not the surface level CIA that runs the world. It's, you know, sub agencies and proxy organizations and, you know, offshore corporations and stuff that do all of this. Now, going into what I think is happening here, we can obviously see that there was a delineation away from military control over whatever this technology was around the 60s and the 70s time frame. Right? That the U.S. military had control of it from Roswell time frame or, you know, Corona Roswell

time into the 60s and the 70s. And then after Blue Book, this time, Grudge Blue Book, that's when it starts to deviate out of the hands of the military because most likely the CIA was being exploited, M.K. Ultra stuff was coming out in the 1970. these, they realized that they wouldn't be able to keep this under the surface of the government control because of congressional oversight. So they wanted to move this out of the various different programs. And so they created sub-agencies within the CIA, DSRT, these types of things that then created a budget, black budget that funneled into defense contractors, which kept most of the secret,

probably organized by a private board of people who kind of kept the command and control in the organization of this, who they are. I think that we know who some of these people were throughout history um i i'd like to say that people like george herbert walker bush and these types i don't think that they had access or control of any of this stuff and you know my my in the deep state and this is the one thing that i always point out when i'm on these conversations like oh they're keeping this technology from us what if they're keeping the technology from the satanus what if they're keeping the technology out of the hands of the evil on this planet because the one One thing I can tell you for certain is that Barack Obama, the socialist underground, the Chinese Communist Party, the evil in this world doesn't have that technology.

People are like, well, how do you know? Because they would have used it on us already. Sure. Yeah. They would have already dominated the world. The globalists would have taken over the world already. They would have eliminated 85% of the population and implemented their global control grid. But they didn't.

And think about something like Havana syndrome. room, okay? That didn't turn up until the point at which someone had the technology and then deployed it, right? You know, I mean, like, there have been all sorts of strange technologies that have been out there, but they have largely been kept out of the hands of the most evil people. But at the same time, our own government has done a whole host of experiments on American citizens, you know, likely, although they can justify it and say, well, we need to understand how these things work so that if we see something deployed, then perhaps we can know how to counteract it, or we might need to use it on somebody else at some point in the future, and they can rationalize that, you know, a certain subset of the population having some side effects for some period of time is worthwhile in the grander scheme of things. But, but I think you could be right.

I mean, if there were some really like world ending technologies that were in the hands of our enemies, it's more than likely that that probably already, would have been used. Now, you think about something like earthquake technology, like a tsunami creation with Fukushima and stuff like that. You know, I think that oftentimes if there is a technology that's in the hands of our enemies, it's probably been disclosed as a form of mutually assured destruction, right? Because everybody knows everybody else has nukes, right? And the only reason nukes don't get used is because nobody wants a whole bunch of nukes going off. Like, regardless of whatever you think nukes are, it's still a giant bomb and it's still going to kill a

whole hell of a lot of people. So that knowledge is enough to keep people from using them, although the threat is always there. And I would think the same thing with a tsunami creation earthquake technology as well, or any of those other space lasers. Space lasers also was a program that McCaslin worked on as well. Listen, we are about to, get to the end of the show, but I really wanted to show you this. I really wanted to show you this, Josh. So are you familiar with Ashton Forbes? Yes. Okay, okay. So I know Ashton pretty well. I've had him on my show a couple of times. We've had him on baseless conspiracies a couple of times. And Ashton obviously is plugged in with a certain subset of these communities, right?

You know, his thing is MH370. Let me show you this message. Well, Ashton put this out the other day. So he says it's come to my attention that Tim Tmb spaceships could be missing General William Neal McHasland. Normally, I wouldn't entertain such speculation, but he stopped posting the day that McCaslin disappeared. I've always wondered who this user is. His profile lists his experience as being nearly identical to McHaslin. There must be some way to confirm whether this is him or not.

He sent me a really specific DM last year about sending a letter to Gabbard regarding Gorgon Stair and MH370. And I'm sure you know what Gorgon Stair is. Okay, yes. Okay, so I hope they find the general soon. Let me show you this message. So first of all, this is the TMB spaceships, electro-propulsive spacecraft systems. This is right in the wheelhouse of McHasland. He says that he's a retired 38-year active duty U.S. Air Force Ph.D. engineer.

Obviously, McCasland is not active duty. He retired back, I believe, in 2013. But the message says, I suggest writing a letter to DNI Tulsi Gabbard. Make the letter structured. First paragraph, background on the disappearance of MH370. Name the DNI-owned systems by technical name. Ask her to ask DNI-I-G to research. who was doing a cover up and where the plane went to what was the operational objective and why did

they kill everybody second paragraph name the d and i systems that were watching the plane at the time in the third paragraph tell her you have been confidentially asked to write this letter from an individual on her side of the classification system i cannot speak at this time as that is a operational program and i cannot speak to that take care and you will prove the naysayers wrong it's obvious to me Rosset's words came down from the top. This indicates an opportunity. There are stupid people running the SIAP. You may not get a good response of the letter at first.

But wait, things are buzzing at the DOE. So I thought that that was kind of crazy. Well, I think that Ashton might be on to something there. Absolutely. And the cast lens of really interesting story. So number one is I think that a lot of these Air Force types have been trying to come out for some time that there's a lot of people in and there's an urgency amongst them and I don't know what necessarily what that urgency is I've kind of heard rumblings but there was one that actually

very that happened a few years ago you ever heard of a major general bill coolly yes do you know that whole story of what happened to him no no no I'm I but I know the name okay so he was the the military head of the Air Force research lab in Texas okay sorry new mexico in new mexico his brother was the civilian head of the air force research lab oh wow okay okay um and he was fired demoted from two star general to colonel in a uh in a military court martial because at a party at his brother's house he apparently grabbed his brother's wife by the hooch and try to kiss her and this was witnessed by the the director of the Air Force research lab, the only witness.

Oh, okay. So probably didn't actually happen. Right. And his, in his court martial was by the way, classified. Okay. My thoughts are, and I will leave it that, my thoughts are that he was a whistleblower, filed a whistleblower complaint. Yeah. And then was targeted. Yeah. And immediately after that, he was moved to Wright Patterson, where he worked in logistics in material space systems but then we started research bill cooley um bill coolly has two brothers and a sister his sister works in nanotechnology and artificial intelligence out of mit his other brother obviously air force research lab had a physics degree him uh advanced physics degree and his other

brother works for um uh lost alamos national lavatory on advanced space weapon systems what did their parents do were they in the program as well because that's the brain trust right there but they're well their parents um you find out that it was i think is his grandmother or his mother was a secretary in los alamos during the manhattan project and so it goes back to what i was talking about with eric davis and eric steen eric steen yeah is that you're not going to find these physicists because they're legacies and what we mean by legacies is that they are yeah they are they are educated by the government put through college and then re-recruited back into the programs and they understand

the secrecy because they grew up in these projects on these bases. Yeah. And so in Bill Cooney, I believe is one of these people. And I know that I'll probably get a text message. I mentioned in that name. But I'm almost certain I know I have a good fix on this one. And I hope that if it's true, that he now uses what's happening in the world to bring this forth because I'm telling everybody right here, and I've said this a few different times, but I wanted to be said here. The Trump administration is bringing about disclosure, declassification. Phase one is not going to be aliens exist. Maybe it will, but I believe it's going to be censored data, telemetry data, all of the data that they collected, that's going to be for the scientists, because you have to get the scientific community on your side.

That makes the most sense to me too, yeah. Yep. The second level is going to be a congressional bill that goes out there and protects whistleblowers. removes their NDAs and the third thing will be kind of disclosure but that'll be in the midst of technological innovation because the Trump administration is seeking to bring executive authority back over these projects in this technology they're not going to release the technology but they're going into these defense contractors and they're taking it back over control of it they have definitely been doing that yeah that's what i got from a really good source that that's exactly

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with Jay Teeterbrun, 2. My ex actually drove one of those huge dirt movers to clear, level the ground, preparing to build DIA. Youngest set of twins, field trip to DIA pre-opening. Remember Buckley Air Force Base closing. Talk at Guard. All right, Jay, we will see you at Guard. That's so cool. Be Jolly 14 says, more Josh, less John, please. I love the two of you together. Oh, poor John. ZBM says, you guys, especially you, Josh, need to go look for on YouTube, Trey Smith, God in a nutshell channel.

He's like, I'd say, the cue of the Bible, he factually leaves history with biblical history. I'll definitely go check it out. That sounds cool. Then Mrs. Ria Freedom Fighter could see her. She gave us a link to play our outgoing video. Muffin. I will take you in just. a moment, honey, just have a seat.

And then 417 Patriot says, I absolutely love this. My two OGs that I've been listening to for eight years on one show, RP70, it was first, then Red Pill Project right after you. You two and Brad will always be near and dear to my heart. Love you, cause. Let me ask you this. Last time when we did that OnlyFans show, you said that you were watching my channel, Red Pill 78, and then you named your channel Red Pill Project because of my channel.

Do you, well, you blow and smoke on my ass, or were you serious? No, I loved your show. So I'm like, dude, Red Pills awesome. So I'm naming the Red Pill Project after it. That's one of the Red Pills, right? One of the drop red pills in a project. I love it. I love it.

Zach is the reason it's called Red Pill Project. Right. That's cool. I thought maybe you were just being funny. But no, that's really awesome. That's super, very humbly. Very humbling. And then ZBM says, it shows what we're seeing and experiencing today.

Are we in a matrix? He explains this. How involved are fallen angels in our dimension and why? He explains that too. Give it a go. You might be surprised. I will definitely check it out for sure. And then 417 Patriot says, y'all got me through some shit during some of the hardest times of my life. Thank you both for all you do. Also, the amount of brain cells being thrown around by U2N1 show has to be a record. Thank you. Really appreciate it.

All right. Yeah. And anyways, we're going to have to talk offline because I got so much to say to you. But Muffin really does want to go for a walk. All right, you guys. I really appreciate each and every one of you. Thank you for hanging out with us tonight. If you haven't yet, please make sure you hit that like button. the more likes we get, the greater, the higher ranking we get on the leaderboard. And obviously that lets Rumble know that this is a great show and they'll push it out to as many people as possible. So really appreciate you. Appreciate you, Josh. And I hope everyone here has a wonderful night.

I'm going to go ahead and pull up the video that was sent over by Miss Ria Freedom Fighter. And we will see you guys on the next one. Oh, Josh, tell everybody the next time you're going to be live. Tomorrow night, DefCon on Badlands. Excellent. And I will be live on my channel at 5 p.m. for another episode of Red Pill News live. We'll see you guys. Pete. It's called the weekend. So Saturday and Sundays, those are the humans' favorite days. Why? What did they do on those days? Nothing. Oh, figures. What did they do after the weekend?

They go to work on Monday? Humans hate Mondays. We should invade on the weekend. Invade on a Monday. Yeah, but they already hate Mondays. It's extra mean. Yes, exactly.