Badlands Media - Baseless Conspiracies Ep. 200: Otis T. Carr's Flying Saucer, a 200th Episode Special

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

Jon Herold and Zak Paine hit a genuine milestone tonight, and Jon celebrates the 200th episode the only way he knows how, with an incredibly deep dive into a man most people have never heard of. Otis T. Carr claimed to have built and patented a working flying saucer back in the 1950s, and with the help of his self described "plucky" assistant Ralph Ring, he spent years chasing government approval, media attention, and eventually a very public unraveling. Expect rare archival footage, an actual interview with Ralph Ring himself, patent history, run ins with the SEC, and a fascinating look at how Carr basically ran his own proto version of the very kind of late night radio and call in show that Jon and Zak do today. It's part biography, part cautionary tale, and part genuine mystery about what this guy actually built.

The Badlands, one of the Badlands, explain those Badlands. That's a hell of their name. Well, good evening, everybody, and welcome to another episode of your favorite Monday night show and probably your favorite show overall. Baseless conspiracies. And Zach, guess what day it is? Monday, August 31st? Yes.

It's also the day after your birthday. So happy birthday in the chat who didn't wish it to you should do so now. I was very proud with my birthday wishes. Thank you, John. Thanks for bringing it up again. What? Today's our 200th episode. It is the 200th episode. That's right. It's a milestone, man. It is a milestone.

Yeah. So how are we celebrating? Well, we're going to talk about a couple of individuals, a man by the name of Otis T. Carr and his plucky assistant, Ralph Ring. And together, they built a flying saucer. They got a patent for it. And then they actually used it. And the story is crazy. I have some test footage videos.

I have an interview with Ralph Rang. I have the entire sorted history of the various companies that Otis Carr put together. I have the evidence of the government coming after him. It's pretty incredible. Can you explain why his assistant is plucky? Like what? Because he got into an experimental aircraft that that didn't really fly. It basically phased through time and space.

And the experience of going from point A to point B in zero seconds must have been jarring. And the guy like, you know, went on to continue the research and carry on the legacy of Otis Carr. We're believing that really happened. Okay. Well, we'll get into it. I am believing it really happened. Yes. He traveled time and space? Well, okay. I mean, technically, you walk from here into your bedroom and you've traversed time and space. Okay, is that what this guy did, though? Well, I mean, sort of, but he started at point A to point B in zero time. He went from this point in space time to this point in space time, 10 miles away. He took samples from the location that he went to and then went

back to the original location and you know not to mention the craft and its occupants disappeared in front of the people was there a video of it test no this was like 19 1960s early late 50s early 60s something like that they had cameras back then they did the moon landing bro i have i have patents i have schematics i have wiring uh documents drawings and uh engineering plans. I have some modern-day builds by people that have taken the the schematics of those original drawings and then they've actually done experiments with them now. There are some real successful. What's that? Successful experiment? Yeah, successful. I mean, there is a measurable signature coming from these devices. And you can see it spinning around. It kind of defies the laws of physics,

if one might say. Okay, well, I'm now very excited and interested in this conspiracy theory, particularly trying to debunk it. I'm feeling, I'm feeling plucky myself tonight in terms of my role as the skeptics. So I'm very excited to get into this. But before we do, we should probably get a quick word from a couple of our sponsors. Maybe we can talk about, I don't know if there's anything else you want to talk about before we get into it. But first up, some soft disclosure. These are the hands that built America. Hands that hammered. Hands that well, Helded, hands that carried the weight of a nation. Soft disclosure offers here for the hand.

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To me, that's very exciting because it's the first time that we have verified a crime of this similar type, having taken place outside of that 10-year window. Now, you might John say, you know, hey, what's the statute of limitations on the destruction of government records? Well, I'm glad you asked. Five to eight years it would be. Well, if you had asked, that would be my answer right there. It could be five, could be eight, depending on exactly how they want to charge him or, you know, what they're going to be going after him for. However, it's that pattern of abuse, okay? It is the repeated efforts of Anthony Fauci throughout the span of his career to intentionally destroy government property and keep this information out of the hands of prying eyes.

And then, of course, you have the revelation of Anthony Fauci's work with the Central Intelligence Agency to develop biological weapons. John, do you remember when we did our baseless conspiracy episode on Dr. Anthony Fauci maybe a year ago? And I basically laid this case out for an hour and a half. I didn't have this particular email, but I had a lot of other things that I put together. And so it was good to have that confirmed. for people to be able to see. Great. I love it.

So if you guys want to go back and watch that episode of Anthony Fauci on baseless conspiracies, then it might be a good time to revisit it. But going back to Dr. Anthony Fauci's criminal behavior, I think that there is an argument to be made that his efforts to hide, gain of function research, hiding the very, very dangerous activities that were being funded by him and his agency and the Central Intelligence Agency. And ultimately, it leading to the deaths of millions of people, whether directly or indirectly, I don't believe that the COVID virus was a population ender or something like that.

But indirectly, there were a lot of deaths. And then, of course, there was a lot of financial blowback as well. So lots of bad things happen in America as a result of that. I think it's totally possible that we could see a, a, a, a, much broader reaching conspiracy investigation. There's no statute of limitations on treason. They can make it a RICO case and go from the most recent overt act, which was just in the last couple of years. So that's going to push back the statute of limitations right there. I think it's entirely possible that Anthony Fauci could get got at the federal level.

And that's not even saying anything about all of the state level crimes that are currently being investigated. I think Anthony Fauci's days are numbered personally. Yeah, you know, my eggs are in the state basket. That's where I think it'd be most likely unless they want to go through and delegitimizing Biden. That'd be great. They're not mutually exclusive, though, John. They could go for both. Why not?

I would love to see that. I'm skeptical, but hey, you never know. But what you said earlier about him, you know, funding and his role in just like the gain of function research, that's just one side of it. The fact that he allowed the pandemic to play out the way he did and the reasons for it, that's where I think the treason really comes. because he did that to try to delegitimize Trump and steal the election. That's the side of the story that I still want to see come out.

We're getting all the context of like, here's all the research he did. Here's the times he knew he was doing wrong and told people to delete emails. He was one of his own co-conspirators who essentially, you know, I did that. My bad. He easily should be in prison, no doubt about it. But I want to get to the part of the story where, okay, Fauci, not only did you do all this stuff, you knew the truth about COVID. And you were telling the opposite on your mainstream interviews.

Why were you doing that? Oh, well, it was because you wanted to interfere in the 2020 election. That's the story I want to get to. And it seems like it's getting there. I'm right there with you. And that's truly the way that I think we get to a treason charge as well. Yeah. But I didn't want to steal all your glory.

I knew that you'd like to be. You couldn't have tried, man. What else? What else happened that was exciting? Oh, Tish James, whistleblower in her office. Deputy Attorney General, I thought that was pretty based. Also talking about consciousness of guilt, she immediately had an IT professional deleted from the entire server in all 2,000 inboxes that it went to. That's crazy.

That is crazy. And then sending out a message from her personal attorney saying, don't worry, no one's in any danger. Was that ever an insinuation? I don't think so. I think that that was a warning right there. You might be in danger because you might be thinking about doing something similar to this. but you better not because then you definitely would be um you know something i thought that was interesting that i came out today is there's another investigation into james comies leaks that's right yes

and this is fascinating for so many so many reasons we could start with the last time that he was investigated for leaks was in trump's first term john durham was the one who investigated him for those leaks and john durham ended up recommending no charges they're going after him again again now trying to pursue charges he's in front of a grand jury as we speak correct so what the hell was john durham doing why didn't he bring charges why are they doing it now and then you could also get into the side of it where it's like okay well is this just another example of what he'll use as a defense is political persecution because he's already said he's going to do that he already has done that in his is um 8647 instagram case and if there are more serious charges well i i do think

leaking to the press is serious. I think people should go to prison for that. No, totally. I think there's more serious, like, treason charges that could be in his near future as well. Does this go against the public fallout, like the way it should be reacted to when those charges ultimately come, or are we letting some of the air out of the balloon, as Chris Paul would say, with these, what you could say is weaker charges? No, because I see that as an opening door, which allows them,

access to James Comey's life. You can very easily hook a big fish with a small lure, and that's all it takes to get them into your boat and gut them. And I think that that could very easily happen to James Comey. Now, here's the thing about John Durham. Based upon the timing and the clear evidence of obstructionism that were present in the first Trump administration, I don't think there's any possible way that even if they had brought charges against James Comey that it would have been successful.

I mean, the deep state owned the DOJ, they owned the FBI, they owned every aspect of the intelligence community. USAID was strong in that game. Trump didn't have nearly as many judges. There's just too many possible barriers that could have gone up. That's excuses to me. Like that's just, that's rationalization. Like if somebody committed a crime, you recommend charges.

John Durham didn't recommend charges. He wasn't like, I think he should be in prison, but we're not going to get a conviction, so I'm not going to do it. He didn't recommend charges at all. Like he didn't recommend James. He didn't give a rationale either, though, did he? No, it was a classified rationale. But the documents clearly state that he did not recommend charges.

Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, if charges would have been recommended, I think that it would have been more, it would have been incumbent upon them to actually follow through on that. And, you know, of course, it's a rationale. You know? Because I, you know, personally, I would rather see them try and be successful than try and stumble and fall. And then never, and then double jeopardy. They never be able to bring it again.

Yeah. But I mean, when it comes to exposure stuff, like, doesn't that expose the corrupt two-tier system of justice? I mean, how much shit was exposed during Trump's first term, bro? Like, really? Quite a bit. Yeah. But why not this too? I'm just saying there are legitimate questions that should be asked.

Like if, like this is the logical question to be asking. I think the only question to be asking is why did John Durham not pursue charges and why are they doing it now? Like what was found differently between these two things when it's the same investigation, same case, that one is bringing charges and one isn't? Like that is a question we should be asking because maybe we've been wrong about some of our, you know, maybe we've been a little too biased and un-

My opinion. For giving of John Durham when we shouldn't have been. Hey, I've read all the Durham stuff. I've put a lot of eggs in the Durham basket. I was expecting a lot of things. The Durham report fell short. We were like, oh, well, it's all in the classified annex. Don't worry.

Classified addicts comes out. There's some stuff in there. But again, he didn't pursue as many cases as he probably could have. And a lot of those people are under investigation now. It's like we're having to do the whole investigation again. And now this is just another example. And I was asking these questions before when we first found, out that it was John Durham who investigated James Comey for the leak and didn't bring charges.

Like, why the hell would he not bring charges? And now this makes it even more of an obvious question. I agree with you. And I have no problem with you answering those questions. But my answer, the only thing that makes sense is the timing of it all. Okay? That's the only thing that makes any logical sense to me. And, you know, I mean, it's always going to be a guess.

You know, I mean, like, we're spitball in here, basically. And otherwise, we have to wait and see what happens. And it's frustrating. But if we're going to get any kind of justice on these people, it's going to be in this second Trump term. And I just, I don't think that it would have been possible. I just, I think that, you know, you look back and you see the things that Trump tried to achieve, you know, stuff with immigration and visas, tried in the first term, was unable to get it through. Now, here we are in the second term.

and they're finally getting this stuff done. We are in the midst of a major, major transformative change to the United States of America. And I think, you know, a lot of the things that are happening now, people are like, why didn't we see it in the first term? I just don't think it was possible. I think that Trump had too many people working against him. And now, as a result of the Biden regime coming in, four years of just managed destruction, it became obvious to quite a few people that either you get on board and you play ball,

otherwise you're going to be responsible for putting us back in that position. Yeah. And I'm not trying to, by the way, say that I don't think good things are coming. Everything you said there, I mostly agree with. My point is, I think this is a good example of how sometimes, and I fall victim to this too, so I'm not trying to say I'm better than anybody else because I'm certainly not. because I was all aboard the John Durham train for a long time. But I think it's a good example of, you know,

maybe we need to be a little more open-minded and not so set in our thought process about who's, you know, what color hat everybody's wearing. This guy's a good hat. And like, we don't know for sure of that, but we're going to just assume that and then base our entire lives about that thing, becoming the thing that we wanted to become. And so far, a lot of those things haven't panned out. And I think this is a really good example of that because I know a lot of people in this

community were all aboard the John Durham train. Yes, it's totally fair that there may still be more things to come. But like these, when we get new stories that update the old stories, you have to take those opportunities to like check yourself, check where you're at with your assumptions and see if you've been wrong about some assumptions. And if you have, then, like, how can you learn from that moving forward? You know what I mean? That's totally fair.

I'm on board with that. And I am constantly reevaluating my positions on a daily basis. I flow like water with all of this stuff because things are always. always being revealed. Yeah. Team smooth. Durham's investigation didn't complete under Trump. That's not true. Durham's investigation into James Comey started in March of 2017.

I think it was like March 22nd of 2017. And it concluded in December of 2017. And then after that, he recommended no charges like. It all took place in the first year of Trump's term. So I see that narrative going around. They go, it got handed off to Biden and DOJ and they shut it down. That is not true at all. It started and ended within 2017 of Trump's first term.

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So let's let's do the go for the conspiracy. Let's do it. All right. So, John, I'm going to start off. by introducing you to Ralph, okay, Ralph ring, all right? Can't wait to meet him. This is an interview that he did with, for some reason, I can't add it to the stage. Do you have something?

Oh, yeah. It's trying to prevent you from doing anything. Okay. This is Ralph, huh? No, no, no. This is the guy interviewing Ralph, and he's about to explain the time that he was with Otis car building the flying saucer because that's really the only thing you can call it it basically is a flying saucer called the OTCX1 and and then the the experience of actually flying it.

Here we go. It's about your experience as being the co-pilot of one of these discs. Sure. The next stage app was the 45 foot craft. This is an actual picture of it, but it is obviously like a photocopy of a picture. already designed and build it and they wanted us to test it. So we got on board and near the center of the craft was a giant crystal ball in a kind of a gyroscopic holder. Underneath that was a laser that came up through the bottom of this.

If you want to understand how things work, especially these days, this game is for you. You're not just... Crystal. And the game that was. As a light came up and dispersed around as crystal, it lit up the crystal from infrared all the way around to ultraviolet. Then Carr said, okay, guys, what I want you to do is just clear your brain and use your mind. This is an experiment. And we're going to go outside and back in through what's known as time and space.

And all you have to do is concentrate on what I'm about to tell you. We're going to go down range 10 miles. And that 10 miles down range is equated to the vibratory rate of the color aquamarine. The colors just kind of dissolved and started turning into this brilliant aquamarine. And it lit up the whole ship. And then he said, okay, that's it, boys. Get out of the craft and we're going to debriefing. And we looked at each other like, oh, I don't think it worked.

We can, you know, we can go anywhere. We didn't do anything. And we said, well, it didn't work, did it? They said, why don't you guys empty your pockets? And we started pulling out sticks and stones and grass and stuff and putting them on a table. And I know we didn't have those going in. And where in the heck did this come from?

And he said, well, you remember I told you about the brain has a limited capacity? It cannot believe beyond its jurisdiction. It doesn't want to believe anything beyond that. So you travel with your mind. and it will come back to you and all these dots will be filled in as your life progresses. You'll remember what you did. It was in retrospect, I did go back now and I do remember going and getting out of the craft.

There was three of us. We walked down this ramp. We got out and went over to a little hillside. I can see it right now. We picked up rocks and sticks. Put them in our pockets and we got back on board. I remember it now, but I didn't remember it then. It sounds like this technology. this technology. Scrambled his brain.

He traveled with his mind. Well, they traveled physically, but they used the power of their mind to, I guess, set the intention of where this craft wanted to go. The reason that's interesting is because there have been a lot of different stories of craft that have been recovered and then experimented on by the U.S. government and various people in agencies. one thing that they've said is that these craft have no visible means of control. It's basically like a cockpit.

You get in and there is the propulsion mechanism, but you're not doing anything. You don't like set, you know, Mr. Data set time space coordinates for, you know, 10 miles past parsecs of, you know, Alderon or something. You just get in there and it's essentially a symbiotic relationship that the pilot has with the craft, almost like the craft itself has some sort of sentience or life. Is there any other plausible explanation, though? Like, just based on his story, he doesn't remember actually, like,

doing any of the things they claimed they did. And then he just had a bunch of stuff in his pocket. And he's like, oh, I guess, I guess we must have done it because I have stuff in my pocket. Like, come on. You know, all I can say is what Ralph says actually took place. All right. Now, there is a lot of information here to unpack. So Ralph was, Ralph Ring, okay, was a employee and a protege of Otis Carr. Okay, the ship itself. And actually, let me show you this. This is actually a working model of the OTCX-1, Otis T-Car. That's why he named it the OTCX-1. over the counter. Yeah, it's not over the counter. Okay. Okay, so share this instead and here, here it is. Okay, so this is the OTCX one right here. And this is a small scale model. Now, like I said,

I've actually got modern day videos of people having used Otis's plans to build working versions of this, but only in a small scale such as this. If somebody has built a prototype that human beings can sit inside, as far as I know, like they haven't like revealed that or anything like that. And that might be obvious why once we go through the story here. But so Otis Carr, he's dead. Ralph may be dead as well.

He was like, God, that's okay. So like 20, if he was alive, he would be. in his late 90s right now, so I doubt that he's alive. Well, no, 72 in 2010. And so he, I'm sorry, he would be in his mid-80s. So maybe he is alive. Who knows? But Otis Carr was an inventor, and he was an engineer based out of like the Baltimore, Maryland area. And he learned portions of his scientific craft from Nicola Tesla. Like he had a relationship with Nicola Tesla and they would like sit around and talk about science and engineering. And as a as a result of Otis and Nicola speaking to each other, Nicola told him about his research and his concepts of free

energy. And Nicola Tesla had also wanted to make a spacecraft that could be powered on free energy basically and then use it to take people and out into the stars, go to the moon and all of that stuff. So he was friends with Nicola Tesla until Tesla died in 1943. And then by the mid-50s, Otis had already produced a number of fully functional sort of flying saucers, basically. Okay. And there are, like I said, there's plans and all of this stuff. There is the power source for the saucer is something that he called the Ultron. electron electrical stimulator and it's not much to look at it's basically looks like two tops two metal tops that are on top of each other but um it does produce energy and it produces an incredible

amount of spin now supposedly this craft gets up to about 68 70,000 RPM when it gets when it gets going yes yes and and Is there any video of one of these things actually working? I have video of these things powering up, but I don't have it actually levitating because the people who are making them, they're not using precise engineering methods. Okay, like, I mean, they're just, um, but we're like, don't you see an issue with that? Like, these people supposedly did this in the 50s or 60s, and it's 2026 and we haven't been able to replicate it based on the schematics that they left us. Well, listen, here's the thing about patents. And I know this myself, because I have.

have tried to use patents to reverse engineer stuff. There are always things that are left out of patents because if you put absolutely everything in there, then some rival could come in and they would take your device and they would be able to just produce it. The other problem is that you can't patent things that are free energy devices, okay, because the patent office simply will not allow you to do that. And if you have a working free energy device or like a working, you know, anti-gravity craft and you do try to get that patented, then there are a number of different examples of the military and the government coming and essentially just seizing that patent. You know, there's a whole patent office that deals with these patents that are just too wild,

too out there, too successful to even be, I guess, introduced into humanity. Okay, well, let me play this for you too. This is Ralph speaking at an event. It's just another short clip, but he's talking about the patent itself. Seeing before, and I'm asking for a patent. And they said, no, we can't give you a patent on that because it's just not going to happen. And so they went back and forth with the cars people and the patent people. And I'm kind of filling in here because I wasn't there and I'm putting in pieces that I,

I'm pretty sure accurate. They said that if you pull the levitation device out that makes this thing levitate off the ground, we will give you a patent for an amusement device. And you put it in an amusement park and let people ride it. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, and he did this, by the way.

Now, have you ever been on a Gravitron? No, I don't even know what that is. You don't know the Gravitron. The Gravitron is it looks like a spaceship. You get in, you lay down on the edges. And then it spins really, really fast. And it basically, you know, pulls you against the back walls and you're kind of floating in the air. Sure. I'm familiar with the concept. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't. This to me seems as close as I could identify that whatever Otis's patents ended up turning into that that would be it. But another 30 seconds. That didn't set too well, but Carr thought, well, okay, that's a start anyway.

We'll put one up and we'll get people introduced to the concept. And he then went into toys making small models that kids could buy and mail order stuff and build their own models using magnets and everything to get them familiar with the technology involved. All right. So like he said there, the Patent Office, would not allow him to patent it because he said that there was a free energy device in there. And then obviously it was also going to allow them to levitate. It's going to allow them to float someplace else.

Basically a UFO. And now the thing about this is, Otis had been talking about this for years. Okay. Like he had not been quiet. Like ever since he got together with Tesla and became friends, he, by like 1947, he, he was already producing things. And it was his desire to produce a viable version of this and kind of just to like give it to humanity. He didn't even necessarily want to get rich.

He wanted to monetize in whatever way that he could. But his idea was to push the boundaries of aerospace travel to help the U.S. military and the U.S. government, basically. and in in 1947 he had created a working model of this. Now, he was never able to get it off the ground. People didn't seem to be all that interested. Maybe they just didn't believe him. The whole UFO as a research topic really didn't take off until, you know, after the end of World War II.

And even then, you know, it was sporadic. but it was like the 1950s when things really, really did explode. So in 1957, there's a guy, he was a retired Marine Major Donald Kehoe. Have you ever heard of him? Yeah, it sounds really familiar. Yeah, he's involved with some of this paranormal and flying saucer stuff. But he was leading the National Investigations Committee on aerial phenomena. It was called Nycap.

And Kehoe was looking to find a way not to answer these questions. but basically, you know, to make the public believe a certain narrative about flying saucers and, you know, basically use it as a way to springboard scientific study. Not necessarily, you know, because, you know, some of the people that are into these things, they're like, oh, Pleadians and aliens are coming here and they're going to bring us into the next millennium and all that stuff. Like, Kehoe saw this from a per, like a purely scientific point of view. And Otis Carr launched his company, OTC Enterprises, in the same year.

And Otis was also into the science, but he was, he was much more about, like, giving back to humanity and stuff. Yeah. Kehoe really, you know, just kind of wanted to keep it all for the government. So Otis was obviously an interesting character. he had done a lot of things in his life. He was in advertising when he was younger. He was, I think it was originally from West Virginia, and he met his wife, Eleanor.

They got married. And then they lived in New York. And finally, they settled in Baltimore. What was his educational background? He was an engineer. He was an engineer. And it seems like he became an engineer because of this time that he had spent, you know, speaking with Tesla.

He just sent him on the life's path. So he always considered himself to be a protege of Nicola Tesla. And in 1955, he registered his first flying saucer invention. He filed a patent or excuse me, a trademark, not a patent, on August 1st, 195 for something called a carrado. And then he went to the U.S. Patent Office, and it was in the electrical apparatus. machines and supplies category. So they wouldn't give him a patent for that. He was able to get a trademark for the name Corrado.

And he was, at the same time he was building this, he was also working at a hotel. He was managing a hotel. And so he's kind of doing this like in his spare time. And he had also, many people would say that he developed a drinking problem by this time. And he could have been a much better scientist if it wasn't for the fact that he was a drunk. But I don't know that to be the case. There is a lot about this man's life that seems to be designed to sort of discredit him.

There was, in my opinion, there was an organized effort to make him out to be a huckster and a hoaxer. And, you know, I mean, all of his papers were stolen. This is something that happens a lot as well. The government went after him, put him in prison for a little bit. But he just kept chugging along and he kept inventing things, even though, you know, he was, he was obviously being, he was being targeted. So that reminded me of, do you ever watch how I met your mother? No. Oh, dang it.

This is one episode where one of the characters he keeps reading from this Enigmas of the Mystical Book. It's like 1970. Farmer John sees spaceship and is abducted by aliens, although he did have a major dream. drinking problem had a tendency to pass out and all like he would say this crazy mystical stuff and then like caveat it with drinking problem or drug problem or whatever history of paranoid delusions what you said there about him like having a drinking problem remind me of that so it would have been way funnier if you would have seen how I met your mother at some point maybe I'll play that for the outro tonight okay we can do that we can do that all right so allegedly

he stopped drinking after he got this carrado trademark because He went on a bender. They fired him from the hotel. This was 1955. And because they fired him, he quit drinking. And he started a company called OTC Enterprises. And as soon as he started the company, he started selling stock in the company. And he allegedly, he made plans and he developed what he called a free energy generator.

And it was his intention that this free energy generator would then, power the spaceship that he also wanted to design and build. And in 1957, that's when the work that he was doing started being noticed by the public. And it probably had something to do with the fact that Russia had just launched Sputnik, basically, at the same time. So all of a sudden, there's all of this attention being paid to space stuff. So Otis puts together this company. They really, You know, he's got like some partners. He's got people who believe in him. He's going to Alcoholics Anonymous.

And it seems like he's got his life together. And they've got a three-story building. They are actually producing things. People are inviting him for radio interviews. They're doing stories about him in national magazines. There was a book. This guy, John Long John Nebel, who he was a radio host, I guess. He had Otis on his show a whole bunch of times.

He featured him and his work. And so people were really excited about this. They were like, oh, my gosh, you know, OTC enterprises is going to bring free energy and intergalactic space travel to the masses. This is awesome. So when he's doing this, he also is, he's very comfortable with talking about. about the possibilities of these inventions and what they're going to do and how it's going to help humanity. He's producing like flyers and documentation for the various things that he's going to produce.

He put out this flyer that he was like sending out to people basically soliciting money for the company, like to people for people to buy stock. And he said that OTC enterprises. was producing a gravity electric generator, the Ultron electric generator, a solar energy device, and electromagnetic machinery devices, and free flight in space. And that seemed pretty sweet. So he had this vision of like making this lab and creating all of these different devices that were going to move humanity forward.

And he held a press conference after he started getting some attention. attention in 1957. And he talked about this. He was covered in the Associated Press. They put out a newspaper story about him nationally. And the headline was harnessing gravity power. A man invents space saucer. And he hadn't actually done a public demonstration yet.

So I don't know for certain that this was actually working. But according to Otis, you know, I mean, he said that it would work. And he was so certain about this. He actually sent a brochure, 16-page product brochure, to President Eisenhower and to all of the members of the Cabinet and all of the members of the Atomic Energy Commission. Did anybody respond? No. No, they didn't. No. At least not the president and the Atomic Energy Commission in those people. Other people in the military definitely did respond.

But he believed that if he could get it. $20 million from the U.S. government to develop all of these technologies, then, you know, boom, we would be able to use it for U.S. military aircraft and, you know, obviously things might be very different right now. It would be living like the Jetsons or something like that. So there were some people, but go ahead. So, you know, based on the theory that they like took his invention from him, essentially, why have we not seen military technology? capable of flying like that or maybe we have it i mean how do you know we have it i mean like there's all so many cases of uh UFOs and flying saucers i mean i've always thought that the stuff we see has got to be

ours and and and obviously not everybody in the military or in you know certain branches of intelligence are going to know what that is i mean we have a highly compartmentalized system amongst intelligence and then even amongst the private military contractors that I believe are given these technologies so that they can be developed. And then the U.S. military is kind of just overseeing what these private contractors are doing. And then they say, okay, you know, you show us what you've done, what you've created, and then we'll go ahead and tell you how we want to use it in military technology. I think there's a lot of far out stuff that's out there. And, you know, just they don't tell us about it.

Whatever they have, 30 plus years in the future compared to what we're getting access to right now. That's always been my opinion. I can see that. All right. So shortly after this press conference and he sends all of this stuff to the cabinet, a guy by the name of Bud Gossnell, he was a big business guy in Baltimore. And he was in the Army during World War II. He was lieutenant colonel, retired lieutenant.

Colonel. He became friends with somebody that was already working with Otis and also a member of Alcoholics Anonymous. So he's like dipping into some good people here, I feel like. Anyways, he hears Otis's origin story and he tells and Carr tells Gosnell that he's been working on this engine. He's been working to perfect it for the last 20 years, tells him about the Ultron electric accumulator and how he, He has already partnered with these people, got a working model that he had built in 1952. But that project and the working prototype ended when an airplane crash killed all of the other officials of the company. Isn't that interesting? So, voters survived.

Yeah, we hear that a lot. So all of the other people that were like working with him and helping to bankroll him. And I believe they had the prototype with him. they all died in this airplane crash. Otis was alive and he basically had to pick up the pace and do it all himself. So he's got to work like a regular full-time job at the same time that he's trying to operate OTC enterprises. So Gosnell then starts working to bring other people into this company, people who could be sales directors or research consultants or engineers, you know, that sort of thing.

And then, you know, obviously they're going to need a stockbroker because they got to figure out how are we going to sell stock to the public. Car had already done this a little bit. And it definitely causes him some legal trouble a little later on down the line. And so eventually in the same year, December of 1957, Otis goes to Washington, D.C., and he actually does secure a meeting with the Pentagon. And he pitches them, the OTCX1, what I showed you earlier. And he's speaking with members of the Army and, you know, probably who knows who else. You know, it's 1957.

There's bound to be a couple of spooks in there as well. And it didn't work out the way that he wanted to. He was told that the model shown does not meet present or foreseeable needs of the Army. and the Army has no further interest in the project as presented. So the government basically told him to go shove it. We're not going to do anything. We're not going to fund this. If it doesn't work already, then, you know, this is not going to work.

So throughout the next year, he's working to try to, you know, bring in the general public. But at 1958, the FBI was tipped off by somebody. He apparently thought that Otis Carr was suspicious, but he also thought that it was true. And so he goes to the FBI and he's like, I don't like this guy Otis Carr. And he has truly developed this transformational technology. However, I don't think he, the inventor of this technology, should be the one controlling it. I think it should be in the hands of the Department of Defense. So it's interesting because he already went to the Department of Defense and tried to get them to do something with it and they told them to shove off.

But so the FBI starts an investigation into Otis Carr and they investigate his company as well. And, you know, typical FBI activity, they just go straight into seeing like what crimes they can possibly hit him with. And the other secondary reason they gave him for the investigation was that they too believed that the technology was viable. but because he was a civilian and he wasn't as part of like some military contract spook group or something like that, it was likely to attract the attention of the Soviets. And if that happened, well then, of course, the Soviets could steal the technology or worse yet. The Soviets could either directly or indirectly fund the development of the technology. And then Otis Carr would become a double agent.

So they determined pretty quickly. that he wasn't working for the Russians. He was not interested in working for the Russians. But that didn't mean that they stopped looking into him. They basically continued to investigate him and the company. And eventually they found the reports that at one time in the past, he had sold unregistered stock in the company. So the FBI took that information and they went to the SEC.

And once that happened, well, everything kind of started to fall apart. So Otis is still doing like radio interviews. He's still joining panelists. And it was kind of doing like a pre-art Bell version of like coast to coast. You know, I mean, maybe a lot like the shows we do nowadays, you know, just talking to people about weird stuff, taking calls. from people in the audience and people just seem to love Otis because he was just, he was a genuine guy and he was really passionate about all of this stuff. So he did the week in review on a local Washington, D.C. station, must have been a radio station

in March of 1958. And, well, I guess it must have been, it must have been TV. It had to have been TV because they had models of, his inventions and he showed them off and he said you know this is how we're going to revolutionize space travel we're going to do some incredible things and at this point i think i would like to actually play for you um a clip from that era uh where otis is this is 1958 here and otis is actually showing off this model uh let me see How long ago was this video he said?

This is 1958. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Share that. And here we go. Now, when this begins, there's no audio. You'll hear, like, it sounds like film going through a reel-to-reel, but in about 15 seconds, we'll get some audio.

That's what it's like that. This is the OTCX-1, Cirquefile spacecraft. And what is its purpose? It is purpose is true space flight, ma'am. We plan to take it to the moon and return. When are you going to leave, sir? We have set the date of December the 7th, 1959. We're in myself, Major Wayne Neho, retired,

and third party not yet selected will take off for the moon and return. And you're going to leave from where? From Space Maryland. Space Maryland. That is the area of real... estate wherein this craft will be fabricated and we have obtained the name space for it. Who's building it? It will be the OTC Enterprises, Inc. and I am the head of them and the fabrication

will be done by various contractors. We offered the Defense Department in a written signed statement that we would deliver one of these crafts to them cost-free. What was their answer? They found no value in our office. The tone of the letter said that they had no further interest in the proposal. All right. So Admiral Chester My Nuts, he's not drunk.

He's actually sober here. He's just born in West Virginia. Okay. So he's got a, he's got that characteristic southern drawl. Hold on. I want to address this from Rebel Mater. So he says, Zach, you say you believe these alternate energies exist. Well, I too believe they exist.

I'd like to hear how you rationalize Trump's silence on the issue. Why is he still pushing big oil? Well, a couple of different reasons. First of all, you're assuming that Trump also believes they exist or that Trump knows they exist. We don't know that to be the case at all. Second of all, you think Trump doesn't know if these energies exist? I'm saying I don't know that he knows they exist. I'm not going to claim to have knowledge that he does because I don't know that he does.

I mean, you give, you rationalize a fair amount. You wouldn't assume that he knows? No, no, not necessarily because, again, when it comes to like, you know, black programs like this or like things that have been intentionally kept secret, it is highly, highly, highly compartmentalized. Okay. I mean, I think people like to think that the president knows everything, but the president knows precious little about the full workings of the United States government. And that might be a difficult pill to swallow and especially when it comes to President Trump. But I believe that to be the case. I don't think it's possible for President Trump to know everything about every secret project or every, you know, type of invention that was ever stolen by the U.S. Patent Office, you know, but just from another, like, much simpler explanation is that the United States and the entire world has an economy built around the production and refinement of oil and fuels that are mined out of the ground.

Okay, if first of all, free energy technology was just handed to everybody in the form of, I mean, how would it come? Would you take it to Jiffyloob and they would just swap out your V6 for an Ultron electrical generator and you would suddenly drive your car forever until you need to change the bearings or the brakes? That would be awesome. But who's going to pay for it? And then let's see, if they immediately stop using the traditional methods of producing electricity at the power generation plants, you know, how many people is that going to put out of work? If we no longer need to mine coal, if we no longer need to drill oil, if we no longer need to have people mining rigs. I mean, there are so many implications for this that I think that people just don't think about. This is a delicate proposition to move the world from the current paradigm of the way business is done into the next phase.

Now, I believe Trump is actually doing that. I think that he is moving us there. Is he doing it for the reasons you revelator think that he's doing it because he knows everything? I don't know. Again, I'm not going to claim something like that because I don't know that to be the case. but I do think that President Trump is aware that there are likely things that have been developed over the years and we're going to be moving there. First of all, we should have been on nuclear power years and years ago, okay? And that's a simple, easy one that we're moving towards.

I also think that the advent of artificial intelligence is going to bring the sort of plausible excuse or deniability to the advantage. to the advancement of certain medical and technological innovations that people, you know, have had them suppressed by government or business or whatever, and here we're going to make them public. I think that that will lead to, you know, previously undisclosed cures, previously undisclosed technologies, and they can say like, oh gosh, you know, they don't ever have to say, hey, somebody 50 years ago decided that you would never have access to this. They'll just be able to say, wow, we spit it into the machine and the machine told us that we should do it this way. And here we are.

It's pretty amazing. Now we just need to figure out how we're going to implement it into society and not destroy the system that we have currently. There's a lot of things that have to be taken into account. And it's not as simple as just making your car not run on gas. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Okay, now continuing here.

I'd also like to play for you this clip, which is a person who took Otis's plans and produced a really rudimentary version of the OTCX1. And, okay, so he's going to explain it and describe it and actually show it. Okay, so this is an invention from Otis T. Carr, which is basically. basically Tesla's ideas they put together. This is kind of an anti-gravity thought. So I've made it, and I'm trying to figure out how this thing works. So this kind of freaks me out because I'm spinning. The inner ring is going to spin counterclockwise.

The outer ring all of a sudden starts spinning clockwise. I don't know why this is happening. So let's go ahead and try this. Watch this. spins it up the interior is going counterclockwise and then the exterior starts spinning clockwise now it again i will this pha and i'm there's still like you know 20 seconds left so this phenomenon is actually something that was described by otis and um uh his uh his his his protege as as as a as a as a means to achieve the anti-gravitational pull, basically, to essentially nullify the mass of the, of the ship

and the whatever is inside there as well. And this is also, like the reduction of mass as a result of using gyros as a result of using gyros and flywheels. This is something that is also accepted by modern science. But here, go back. thing works so this kind of freaks me out because I'm spinning the inner ring is going to spin counter clockwise the outer ring all of a sudden starts spinning clockwise I don't know why this is happening let's go ahead and try this they're spinning opposite ways right now but it makes no sense that the outer ring would be spinning the opposite way being in the ring tell me why that's going on so yeah so that's made of plight so that's made of plight

would. I don't expect that to actually take off. I also don't think that they would ever be able to get it fast enough for it to take off. What Oda said was that when it would reach 68,000 RPM, that's when it would essentially have enough enough of the force would have been essentially neutralized for it to levitate and be able to move. Interesting. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I want to see it like on an actual like ship or something. not like just in an experiment in a basement. I want to see a vehicle actually do that. Yeah, I know. I definitely do too.

So, you know, for the next several years, basically, Otis is continuing to try to, you know, just get attention. He's trying to raise money. He's doing, again, all of these interviews on radio. He is talking to various publications. And I think they did, like, an article on him in, Vanity Fair and stuff. And it all kind of went bad at a certain point when I believe it was the state of Oklahoma.

They're the ones who came after him because Otis continued to sell unregistered stock in the company so that he could get money that he needed to continue developing this and putting it together. And yeah, he ended up going to jail. And it wasn't long. It was maybe a couple of years. I don't exactly remember here. Let me actually, here is another photograph of Otis

looking at and actually I'm just going to take you through the schematics of this so that I can show you the patent and stuff like that. and here we go, this one right here. Okay, so here he is looking inside. Now, this right here is that the ultron electromagnetic generator in the center. These are C-shaped magnets

that are essentially like over a flywheel that have magnets on them as well. the ultron produces the free energy he said it spins that plate in the center and then this counter magnetic force is created as a result of those spinning together now here this is him again with another version of it he's holding a smaller version of that ultron and this was December 1959. And here he says he's got a craft that's 45 feet in diameter. And again, you know, there's no pictures of the full-sized craft or anything like that.

But here is, all right. So here is the patent, actually, that he had attempted to get. And you can see the diagram of with the Ultron in the center and then those C-clamp magnets, these coils on the exterior of the magnets. And it looks like in the center right here, he's got additional ultrons that are also spinning. And they look like they're at like a 45-degree angle to the C-clamp magnets themselves. You send me this. Yeah, yeah.

Let me go through all of these first. and then I'll send them all over to you. This is another picture from the patent as well. This is a picture of the core. So the triangle shapes, this is like, you know, bisected down the center. Here is a couple of other figures showing pieces of it. Here is another one. Okay, so right here, a little bit, some of it explained.

Tesla pancake-shaped transformer, the windings from the periphery to the center in spiral fashion increases low potential voltage to high potential with much greater efficiency than ordinary cylindrical wound coils. The U-Tron coil from the car-levity disk experiments has the geometry of space. A coil completely round and at the same time completely square was tested for angle-interactivity. of fields. See issue 20 of Energy Unlimited for reports on gravity experiments. Note, field of Utron interacts with magnetic field at 45 degrees. And yeah, when it's spinning, it looks like a square. I just realized that. But because it's on that 45 degree angle.

The coil designed by William J. Hooper was constructed by Mr. Baumgartner to provide a device which would project a weak simulated gravitational field into the space surrounding it devoid of electrostatic and magnetic accompaniments. A pulse given to the coil transfers via the gravity field onto the cylindrical capacitor wound around a self-canceling coil and can be shown on an oscilloscope. I have seen, again, video of people using these things and producing these results. I mean, you can see there is like measurable waveforms that are coming off of this stuff. I don't exactly know how it works. I don't really know what it means other than it's doing something. transferred did not occur via the usual induction because there is no general electromagnetic field expressed around the coil.

Transfer, therefore, is over something else, a background. The gravity field with this type of coil communication through the universe would be instantaneous without speed of light, which is an electromagnetic phenomenon only. And then it talks about the coil here. You know what else is interesting about this as well? Think about how many examples of UFOs that people have seen or what appear to. to be UFOs. And, you know, it's like moving through the air and then essentially it just like it obviously zips off, but it basically just like disappears. And if it is moving from point A to point B in time and space instantaneously, without the benefit of G forces acting upon the human body,

then that would explain how a craft with beings inside it, with our physicality, could move from point A to point B without just being completely destroyed, right? Like, I mean, you think about the G forces that pilots undergo and, you know, a couple of Gs and people are passing out, like if you were actually moving at the speed of light inside of a craft and just boom, going across the skyline, your body would be torn apart, it would seem like.

Did you ever see, I think it's the movie Contact? Absolutely. Judy Foster. This is what I'm getting. This is the vibe I'm getting. They get sent these schematics from space. They put it together. They do the experiment where she like falls through.

And on video, it's just like it's three seconds, nothing happened. But to her. How long was it gone? She's gone for like 13 hours or something on her end. And there's like 13 hours of static on her camera. to the naked eye. She was only gone for like one and a half seconds. This is,

I feel like that movie was based off of this patent. No, I mean, it could have been. I mean, Carl Sagan, I would imagine he would have probably had some knowledge about this. I think Carl Sagan was involved in some covert stuff. And what, you know, he, what he talked about publicly was not necessarily everything that he was involved in privately. So let me take you to this here. So this is a journal article from 2021. So this article aims to demonstrate that Otis Carr developed a complete craft with autonomous energy and propulsion systems.

His experiments on rotating mercury devices like Utron and magnetic fields gave him the knowledge to build a functioning craft with these technologies. The base of all those technology is the rotation of metallic parts to produce magnetic fields. It will be developed a first mathematical approach to quantify his amusement device that is a model for a flying saucer. And you can go through and they, it's rather scientific, right? I mean, like, they have the pat number in here. They kind of go into the background things that I've already talked about. The specifics of the technology and how it's been continually worked since Otis died by Ralph Ring. Ralph has, you know, not let this die, basically.

And so this is effectively, the amusement device. You've got the platform that rotates in a direction together with a central battery under the cabin where the six capacitor plates are equally spaced and interspersed with the six regenerating accumulators, which are the U-Tron devices. They rotate in counter-rotation. The device is composed of a platform fixed to the outer hull of the disk, which rotates in counter-rotation together with 12 electromagnetic electromagnets equally spaced and distributed in the external perimeter. Stationery device composed to of the central cabin where the crew members are housed fixed to the central axis of the ship

where the lower support in the form of a tripod is attached and by which through bearings it forms a single set with the first two parts. So this apparently was built. But again, I've never seen a photograph of it other than that really bad looking photograph that I showed you earlier. And so this group, whoever the author of this paper is, I'd never heard of them before. The goal was to take this and to actually build it. And they published it in this journal. I've never heard of this journal before. So I don't know how prestigious it is, but I honestly don't know that that really means anything in today's modern scientific world. Of course, like if this was published in the journal nature or the journal science, it automatically adds

credibility to it. But there's a lot of different ways to publish and put out information that I think it has, you know, great utility. So, you know, they describe the, the amount of power that's needed, the specifics of the system to actually build it, the utrons themselves. How do you build them? And then, you know, eventually maybe this group is going to build this. I mean, again, a lot of math. I don't know it. I'm not good. No. With the math and the formulas and all that stuff. Somebody in the chat will, you know, if Jonathan Drake was here, maybe he'd be able to take us through this. Can you send me this as well?

I will. Yes, I absolutely will. All right. So Otis ended up going to jail. He came out. He continued to develop different technologies. He actually developed what he said was a working free energy device, kind of separate from the...

Separate from this? Yeah, separate from the spacecraft itself. And, you know, again, he had interest in it. There were some regional power generating plants that he had meetings with. And they were supposed to actually show it off. Hold on. I'm actually looking for a picture of it right now. Hold on.

I've got a lot of stuff that I've got to go through here. Lord. And, yeah. And that was an example. until he got out of jail. Oh, also, when he realized that they were going to prosecute him for the stock sales, he actually abandoned his lab. He abandoned his lab and he left because he didn't want to go to jail.

He didn't want to go to prison. He was like, you know, they're coming for me. I'm not ready for this. I don't want that to happen. And so he left and he abandoned like all of his files. And so there is precious little that still exists to this day. A lot of his paperwork and his schematics and all that stuff. Yeah, that all, it all disappeared basically.

The government has or do you think they destroyed it? I would imagine that the government has it. Yeah, that would make the most sense to me. All right, so here we are with this. In November of 1963, at a place called R.H. Dreshman and Sons in Homestead, Pennsylvania, Carr held a demonstration for his power gain technology, accompanied by five witnesses. One was Milton Palkowitz, an electrical engineer at the Panelcraft Company of America, who later wrote a letter testifying to the successful operation of the machine,

which has heretofore been considered impossible by known engineering science. This is the early power gain machine that was a free energy device. Afterwards, Carr and the witnesses each signed a notarized statement that a machine invented by Mr. O.T. Carr has been successfully recycled by its own power, and it has been witnessed by the following persons. This panel craft company where they did the demonstration, it was a machine shop, The notarized statement and the testimonial letter became a centerpiece for Carr, which you would use to establish credibility for his concepts and products when meeting with potential customers or investors. His next company was Car Gravity Electrodynamic Systems.

I formed this one in Pennsylvania in May of 1964, and then later took it to Canada as Car Gravity Electrodynamic Systems Limited. He leased an industrial building from Thomas Wilson, then purchased equipment and supply. for a machine shop to fabricate a prototype of his invention. The trademark for the company was a hummingbird, and he put it in a colorful image on the company sign in literature, part of his marketing. And you can see that right here. Power gain energy transformer, or P.E.T.

That was what he was developing. So, again, he put together a team staff. He had engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, and a number of people who could verify the work that he was doing. and he got set up creating this machine shop. And once again, he got into money problems because there were some issues with his financial backers and business partners up in Canada.

So clearly sabotaged. They're Canadian. You know how it works. It's fascinating. It is. It is. I mean, there's a lot that I haven't even like gone into. I mean, just like so many ins and outs from this dude's life.

And the many times that it seems like he was on the verge of success and then something just like almost like comes in from the outside and like pushes him down. But he never stopped. He just kept going. So he got a patent attorney to try to patent this power gain machine. And he called it the big Joe. He said it was capable of power gain electrical energy transfer, a true fourth dimensional machine. and in correspondence with his patent attorney, kind of just explains how it worked. He explained the electrical energy transfer was produced by two flywheels and a dimensional bar magnet. And he said the lines of force 180 degrees apart

are crossed dimensionally in the field rather than physically. Dunlap filed applications for two patents, one for the device, the power gain device, serial number 418952 and December 14th, 1964, and one for perhaps its key component. a shaped magnet, serial number 397-526 on September 18th on 1864. And in the patent drawings and surviving photographs of the prototypes, there is no trace of the original Utron electric accumulator.

That was, you know, obviously the underpinning of his original work. But you can see here, I mean, it's a fairly large unit. I mean, it looks like I've got, I don't know, I mean, it's a big deal, right? I mean like four or five washing machines, maybe six washing machines all stacked together. And so he, oh yeah, here it is. Here it is. This is what I wanted to show you. Free energy.

Well, this is another one of his advertising things. Yes. So we took out an advertisement in a local newspaper, the McKeesport Daily News, June of 1965. And it said free energy comes to planet Earth. They advertised these perpetual energy motion machines. They had a photograph of their building, which car gravity, electromagnetic systems, and the facility's purpose, research, development, manufacturing, and marketing.

And then he put out a four-page free energy brochure that same month, 1965, where he had a full-color picture of the hummingbird and the perpetual energy motion machines. Again, he issued more stock and about $15,000. in shares and it still didn't work. He kept, you know, spending more and more money. And then it looks like, oh, he also tried to once again reach out to the president, this time Lyndon Johnson, August of 1965. And I think he was looking for another $20 million, but it wasn't successful again. So you can see here, Honorable Lyndon Johnson, Dear Mr. President, references made to your recent concerns and published actions as it relates to the water crisis on the eastern seaboard, therefore I feel it is my patriotic duty to bring to your attention a new technology which I am introducing.

The enclosed brochure identifies the technology in my place of business. I am prepared to make a proposal to the U.S. government to build a pilot electrical plant that operates absolutely cost-free as it relates to the production of electrical and mechanical power. This means that water desalination plants can be set up anywhere at any coastal area and provide fresh water at a cost far below any estimates conceived. We can build the prime mover in any 90-day period to produce electrical and mechanical power for whatever requirement is needed. I am also enclosing a copy of the letter of the five governors of your committee and to the Secretary of the Interior. I realize that in these troubled times, the pressures are massive in relation to communication with you,

But I feel that the urgency in this matter allows me the right to make certain through the proper mail channels and procedures that you receive this communication. Yeah. And the copy of that water desalination proposal was sent to Governor William Scranton. He got a reply from the Pennsylvania Director of Research and Development. David R. Moneville. They actually met and Meneville was apparently interested in Carr's technology. He did get a response from the U.S. Department of Investment. Interior. And they corresponded for a period of time. And they asked for evidence of this machine.

Well, Carr offered his patent application, but the Interior obviously wanted a working prototype. On February 9th, 1966, Carr wrote to Robert W. Nelson, the Deputy Assistant Secretary, and said that he would provide certified performance reports from an engineer as soon as they were complete. David R. Meneville, Meneville's Ph.D. was in mineral preparation from Pennsylvania state, so he was either intrigued or sympathetic enough that he wrote letters in spring of 1966 to two companies in Pennsylvania suggesting they consider cars machine ideas. And Meneville also actually wrote a letter endorsing him to the Department of Interior's Robert Nellison. So we keep sending these things out, and his venture continued to struggle. Here,

is, I'm struggling to, man, with the fact that there's just all these pictures. We clearly have the ability to take pictures. Why not take like one video of the thing doing what you said it does? Well, I think that the easy answer is that you probably never got it working. I mean, like this stuff takes money. And, you know, you can only have so many setbacks and you only have so many pockets to dip into and you only have so many people who are going to be willing to continue funding you. And if you're not successful, you know, and this type of thing takes a lot of money and a lot of time.

And at the same time, he's also got to pay for his family and continue to just survive. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think the only thing that he ever got off the ground were the wooden prototypes and partially machined versions of what the final machine would be.

And if he did get something else off the ground, it's likely that it was just confiscated by the U.S. military. And the only reason that we know what we know is because the narrative of Otis just being a hoaxer and somebody who never really had the skills to do what he did, I mean, that is a lot easier to write off than allowing the reality of something like this to, you know, meet the minds of the American people.

But it is also possible if that's the case. It's totally possible. That's the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've never seen a working one. So again, you know, I'm not willing to say that Otis Carr was successful, but I think it's interesting as hell. And I got to say I got respect for him.

Yeah. No, it's just all these inventions like this. I fully believe that free energy exists somewhere, like somebody's done it. And the government's definitely hiding it from us. There's multiple different stories of people doing this. So which one is true? It's odds are one of them is. Yeah.

No, I agree with you. I think that it's absolutely the case. There is 100%. There are inventions out there that have been successful. And I don't think that that particular office in the patent division would exist to take these inventions if it wasn't for the fact that they were real. I mean, and you look at the people who were. close to bringing them to market. Like Stan Meyer, okay, the water engine.

He actually converted multiple vehicles to run on water using his technology. And he had one meeting with the, you know, Rebel Nader. He had one meeting with the oil industry and he was poisoned at lunch. Okay. He walks out and has a heart attack and dies right in front of his brother and he says, they poison me. And then he's dead. That's crazy.

It is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know, or the other guy in Baltimore, also in Baltimore, what was his name? He was the guard at like Dollar Tree. And that and that kid walks, like he had just gotten on the news, basically doing exactly what Stan Meyer did. And the kid walks in and just kills him right away. You know, I mean, it was Aaron Salter Jr. was his name. Yeah, I forgot about him too.

Yes, yes. Every one of them has been killed. Yeah, they've been killed or they have been delegitimized and they've had their lives turned upside down. Nicola Tesla. I mean, he died a pauper. The guy was living in squalor inside of a one-room apartment in New York City. That man should have absolutely had the same level of prestige as Elon Musk. Edison. Yeah, Elon Musk, Edison, any of them. You know, but I think that Tesla was way ahead of his time and they definitely, they definitely. destroyed him. I mean, and, you know, there's a reason the FBI came and cleaned out his, his, his, his studio apartment after he died. And then, of course, you know, they handed that stuff over to, uh, to John Trump.

Now, it's my opinion that whatever was in the Tesla files, Donald Trump likely knows about. But I don't think we even know everything that's in the Tesla files. And whatever technology Tesla had developed might be similar in concept to other things, but, you know, it's papers, right? I mean, it doesn't mean that Tesla had a working prototype of anything at the time that he died. I think that a lot of that stuff had been taken. Yeah, I would agree with that. But a lot of people like to speculate and jump and say that, you know, Trump has all this advanced technology because of those papers, you know, so I don't know, man.

I mean, if there was, if there was any reason for me to believe that Donald Trump was aware of any of that stuff, it would be because of his uncle and those Tesla papers, right? But again, I think that Trump is a pragmatist at the end of the day. You know, I mean, like, think about how many relationships Donald Trump has that just discussed people in the audience, right? I can't believe Donald Trump said that about that person. I can't believe he would even sit down with that person that I think is evil. you know Donald Trump he's a relationship guy all right and there are times especially when billions

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Yeah, just the world is not easily quantifiable boxes of good and bad right and wrong. It's a lot simpler when you're dealing with things like, you know, just average everyday people. But at these high levels, it just isn't that way. I think that you've got people who are objectively good and sometimes decisions have to be made, which people would find unfortunately morally reprehensible.

Am I saying specifically that Trump is doing that? Not necessarily. But I think that people want to easily define certain individuals in those easily digestible qualities. Yeah, you know, when I think back about my time, you know, doing concentration, getting into this and like, get into the group chats and people always asking, especially in the group chats, like, everybody would want you to label somebody a white hat, black hat and hardly ever in between. and what I found interesting looking back on it is it is of itself like its own form of the way people rationalize bad behavior is like well this has to be a good guy right otherwise you know it's the only thing that can explain why we should be okay

with the terrible thing that this person is doing and it's like or maybe it's just not who you think he was maybe we need to stop putting these labels on people I definitely fell into that hole I used to always get to the white hat discussion black hat and much more of the mindset it's like well, I don't know and I don't care really anymore. Like if somebody's doing something, the proof is in the pudding, right? I'm going to go based off of that. Other than Trump, Trump's really the only one I give the benefit of the doubt too.

But yeah, me too. Beyond that, it's like, I don't know, man. It's not worth playing that game anymore. You know, just to add to that, I also have always thought that there are innumerable variables that most people have not even considered, okay? that there are quite literally stakes at play here, which people haven't even considered, that make certain decisions impossible because you've got really bad people out there that have zero qualms about killing millions of people.

You know, okay, so you do one good thing that will move humanity forward. Well, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to ensure that, you know, all of these people die. And then that one good thing that you did is then going to be responsible for me making sure that this terrible thing happens. That will never come back on me, that you will never be able to prove that I had anything to do with.

And you will have to silently live with the guilt of knowing that it was actually your fault, even though this person's a big piece of shit. Yeah. Well said, man. Kito Higgins, if they had to clear their minds first, that would eliminate any female pilots. Keith of the chickens, if you get a patent for an amusement device, I wonder who owns a patent for those flying green dildos at WMBA games. I am glad they brought that back again.

Oh, did they? Yeah, there's been some people throwing green dildos on the floor, and I'm personally, that's what makes the WMBA interesting at all. Is it a feminine dildo, though? I don't know. Because they have trans players now? It's a joke. It's a trans show.

I get where you're going on with that. I like it. right over my head. Revelinator says, Zach, you say you believe that these alternate energies exist. Well, I too, believe they exist. I'd like to hear how you rationalize Trump's silence on the issue. Why is he still pushing to go out? You comments on that.

I did. I did. He also said that, so ignorance is the rationalization. I never said that. I gave a number of different possibilities. And I'm not specifically claiming that Trump doesn't know things that he may know. I'm just saying, you know, it could be this, it could be this, it could be this. You also might not know as much as Trump knows, you know, so there's that.

Principal Enigma in 1985, I was two days away from getting hired by the mutual UFO network as a field investigator when I got recalled to Sperry avionics from a layoff. I often wonder how different my life could have been. And that is interesting. MoveOn is interesting. I think that there's a lot of compromised individuals at MoveOn, though. I actually interviewed a guy who was a Mufon director, and we definitely had some interesting conversations off air.

Yeah. It's not just because it's Mufant doesn't mean that it's a bunch of good people. He has a few rants here. Back then, Mufon only investigated landings or abductions that left physical evidence behind. I was getting hired on the basis of my answers to a 50-question survey and my resume. Then he says, Zach, would you be willing to send me copies of that patent? info as well, please.

Yes, yes. So why don't you send me an email and then I can respond to it? What's the email? Red pill 78 at proton.me. There you go. Principal Enigma says cars technology is real. The Nazis actually created working flying disks using counter rotating electromagnetic fields that create a perpendicular gravitational

force. Yes. Declok, which we talked about another one. So one of the reasons that I feel that car was onto something and maybe possibly could have created a working prototype is because the concepts are very similar to things that we've talked about with regard to other craft and other experiments and various prototypes that were built. Yeah, that's the bell one, right? The DeClock or whatever. Yeah, yeah, the bell, Nazi bell. Awesome. Boomdiggity, thank you very much for the $250 rants. That is incredibly generous of you.

Raytheon Tech Corp is the result of merger between the Aerospace Subsidiaries UTC and Raytheon Company. Before the merger, UTC spun off its subsidiaries, Otis Elevator Company, and Carrier Corps. Maybe the fact Raytheon was involved is why we have no video evidence. So much classified. National Security Act 947. The Otis Info is in the history section. Yes. Otis is different. from this Otis T-Car, but yeah, I mean, those, those, those, those private military contractors that received the technology from the government, yeah, that stuff is so highly compartmentalized. You have to have specialized clearance to even gain access to that stuff.

And then even within projects where different people on different teams will be working on the same technology. they'll only be working on like one very myopic piece of that larger subset of technologies. And they can't talk to each other. They don't necessarily know exactly what they're working on. Like Bob Lazar, you know, have we ever done Bob Lazar? That sounds familiar. I think we have. Yeah.

Okay. So there's a new documentary that just came out and I was going to watch it. So I would, you know, Lisa was telling me tonight, you guys should probably go back and start like revisiting some of the things that you've talked about before and and then you know you might be able to get new information about it so yeah i don't think we i don't know i know i know we've i know we've talked about bob lazar i met bob lazar one time that was like kind of a one of the coolest things ever for me yeah yeah yeah i was pretty stoked about that but yes um i want to watch the show um i um i s four

Yes, I believe it's called S4. Yes, yes. But yes, the compartmentalization, I think, again, is something that, you know, people don't consider when thinking about these things, thinking that you've just got all these big brains walking around with knowledge of, you know, all of these different things. But when people are working in government in these super secret programs, you know, they've got bits and pieces.

I think oftentimes just like the people in the general public, I mean, they are looking at a much larger picture. It may not be as technical. It may not be as current. But certainly they're absorbing a lot more information, whereas people working in different programs are going to be highly specialized on one thing or another. And they're not necessarily going to know what their cubicle made or even doing. Okay.

A Hammer Guy, 35, left a period for $5. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. I think the moral of tonight show is invent a money-making machine first. Be the government and do it that way too. We got a goat trophy over on YouTube from Ish 5150. Thank you so much for that.

Dude is ripped. Look at that. What the hell. Awesome. Good stuff. I do have that enigmas of the mystical. It's only like 20 seconds. This whole episode, they do this like six times.

One of them. So you'll get an idea. And then this will be our outro. I am going to say goodbye to YouTube now, but make sure you guys, I'll go over there, hit the thumbs up. We truly appreciate that, hit that on Rumble as well. Zach will be back on tomorrow on his channel at 5 p.m. Eastern. I'll be back on here on Badlands Media at 1 p.m. Eastern for the Daily Herald.

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