Badlands Media - Culture of Change Ep. 141: One Conversation at a Time

Episode Date: March 10, 2026

Ashe in America and Abbey Blue Eyes are joined by special guest Ryan Schuiling for a deep dive into a moment that sounds less like analysis and more like confession. The discussion centers on startling admissions from a former intelligence official who openly describes the creation of a “steady state” meant to counter President Trump, framing him as an existential threat to the country. The conversation examines whether this mindset reflects institutional self preservation rather than national security, and what it means when unelected actors believe they must intervene in the political process. Ryan Schuiling helps unpack the implications of these statements, exploring the psychological warfare aspect of fear based messaging and how narratives are used to influence public perception. The episode also turns toward the Clinton depositions and uncomfortable exchanges surrounding Epstein, where evasive answers and legal maneuvering raise more questions than they resolve. Throughout the discussion, Ashe, Abbey, and Ryan challenge the idea that protecting democracy can justify undermining it, and ask whether accountability will ever reach the people who openly admit to manipulating the system.

of the badlands explain those badlands that's a hell of a name good evening everyone and welcome to culture of change abby uh we have to replace that song but i don't want to no i think you should sing it i think you should sing it so we can still use it but it won't be copyrighted it might still be we're going to change it up we'll change the layers we'll change it enough oh so hi youtube we're not monetized over there anymore but please hit the like button for it helps us out quite a bit. We have a fun show plan tonight. We spend a good amount of time on this show doing industry spotlights

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Our guest this evening is a I-Heart media, I-Heart media executive producer and a radio host here in Colorado. And as I put in the show notes, which I didn't publish yet, I'll do it after the show. Shut, I just lost my joke. Dang it. Oh, no. No, I remembered it.

I remembered it. If you play The Ash says Colorado drinking game, you're going to get really drunk tonight. Oh, no. We're going to talk about Tina Peters. We're going to talk about, you know, the transformation happening in media and what does we are the news now mean and all of those good things. Welcome, everyone to the show, Brian Shulbright. What's up, dude?

Hello. Welcome. Nice to meet you. Hi, there. Good to see you. Oh, this is Abby. Hi, Abby. Oh, I'm just Abby.

Just Ash's Coke. This is my name. Right there. Brian? Yeah. Other side. Yeah. Tizai.

All right. So tell everybody about yourself. I'm going to start there. Okay. I'm a Michigan native. I'm wearing my lion's gear here. And I've lived in Denver for seven and a half years. Originally came here to produce the Dancapples show,

something I'm still doing. And then eventually went to the 2 to 4 p.m. slot on 630KHAL, which is all part of IHeart. And then ultimately, after the first of the year here, I started with the morning, slot 6 a.m. to 10 a.m. I went from two hours to four. And so I need to fill in with great guests

like Ash up on occasion. You know, so I'll turn to her. But yeah, we've been doing some really exciting things in that time slot recently, including tonight I can announce, geez, it was not only just about an hour ago,

my good friend, and I say that very sarcastically, Comrade Kyle, Kyle Clark 9 News, led nine next with my interview from earlier today, which, Ash, I have to hat-tip you for setting that up. My pleasure. With the lawyer for Tina Peters. So we are, to your kind of broad opening point there, we're setting the trend and upstream of a lot of the mainstream media, and that's where I like to reside, kind of driving the news cycle and forcing those in the mainstream, which generally are left of center to react to us, react to me, react to. to the two of you.

And I think we've been gaining a lot of momentum along those lines. Yeah. So big, big news here is Tina Peters on Friday filed a appeal in her federal habeas claim. Everybody, I think, I don't know if everybody, but most of the audience should be familiar with Kyle Clark because they're familiar with the Tina Peters story and the Mike Lundell story. And Kyle's a douche. And, you know, that, that, that. kind of is what it is, but you had, I think it was your, your first time interacting with Tina's

council this morning. Let's start there. I was going to start with the industry stuff, but let's start with the Tina Peters story. Because I feel like you're kind of newer to the Tina Peter story, at least the kind of details in the background, the specific charges. What has, like, what, has your opinion on Tina Peters evolved at all? Or has, because it's, I mean, my, my opinion is on Tina Peter, are nuanced and my own, and I don't think anybody else shares them entirely. Like, how have yours evolved over time in this story? Of course, Tina Peters, nine years in prison for lying to Jenna Griswold, who lies to us all the time. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I've always thought it was an extreme sentence, especially when you cast it against the backdrop of the completely incompetent would be the fair reading, the favorable reading on Jenna Griswold and her performance in office the Secretary of State, but the deeper, darker, read would be that it's intentionally corrupt and that she knows what she's doing. And she hasn't suffered any consequences, political or otherwise, other than the wrath of Nine News and Kyle Clark, where he basically called on her to resign because she's just completely bumbling her job. But as far as Tina's concerned, always thought it was a harsh sentence, always wanted to keep an open mind, always wanted to hear her side of the story.

And what really stood out to me in my conversation today with John Case, her attorney, was that she was really the fall guy for a lot of this. And I've had conversations with you, Ash, about it. I think Tina has become a convenient scapegoat, really for both sides in this. She was not alone going into the 2020 election and the post-mortem analysis of that and what was going on. She thought she was flanked by allies like Mike Lindell, and again, according to you in a conversation we had. Representative Lauren Bobert, and it would appear that... Not according to me.

According to Tina Peters on the stage at the sheriff's convention. Right, but you were there is what I'm saying. I wasn't there. I just covered it. When I say that, I mean, you know, who are the reliable reporters that are on site to account for it? And obviously, you'd be one of those. And it wasn't just spoken into the wind. No, it's already.

Nobody ever reports with this. This is what's maddening. This is what's maddening is that there's a whole public record. here. So I went on your show on Friday and I said elections were fake and I thought lightning was going to strike. I told John because John was like, what was it like being at a radio studio? And I'm like, I was very conscious of saying like allegedly and in my opinion and like I'm going to get in trouble. Like I'm going to say something that's going to get me or you in trouble. Well, to that point. I mean, I'll speak freely here because IDGAF, but Randy Corpren.

Here, you can give a fuck. You can actually. Well, there, you just did it for me. I do not give a solitary fuck. So Randy Corpren, Matt Dunn were very aggressive in their coverage of this story, the election in general on Salem. And they were smacked with a lawsuit by Dominion. And there was a bloodletting. And both corporate and Dunn were done.

I mean, they were fired, let go, cast aside. And really, that was, it was an ominous sign because that was the beginning of the end, really, of local content on K&US. That's our primary competitor in the market for Salem. And that's 710 on the AM dial. They were local programming 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. prior to that. They booted those two.

Stephen Tubbs leaves. Peter Boyles goes into quasi-retirement. They come back with a morning show, but everything else was syndicated and bleeding out to national programming. And I think a lot of it was spurned on by unfavorable coverage of Dominion voting systems. And there was a definite chilling effect. So when I go back in time, in real time, when, say, Dan Capliss and myself were trying to analyze this case, I always kind of minded my piece and cues the way that you say you did, Ash, on my program on Friday,

which is, you know, allegedly, or this is my opinion, or what I'm thinking, not stating things overtly as fact if I didn't have the evidence to back it up. And there would be things that I say this to you and I say this on my show that there are things I think and feel and believe about the 2020 election, but I haven't done the work that you have. And I don't have the evidence to support it. And therefore, it's not what I know. It's what I can prove on the air. And I have to have that burden of proof, that high bar for my listeners. Otherwise, I feel like I'm either misleading them or giving them false hope. And that last one I really don't want to do. because I remember feeling that way during the whole Hillary email scandal when Sean Hannity,

who I'm not a fan of, was constantly just pumping up. Hillary's going to jail. Hillary's going to get prosecuted. Hillary, this, that, and the other thing. And she didn't. And I just felt duped and misled. And unlike MSNBC viewers of Rachel Maddow, I don't like that feeling. And I don't like giving that feeling to anybody listening to my show.

I have them to come to my show knowing that if I say something is fact that they can count on that. And again, that's a very high. bar and standard. So when you came in, Ash, I wanted to lean on your research, your knowledge, your expertise, your set of facts. And if you say that you believe something based on that, I think you framed it quite well. And we're not getting in trouble for that. But you do have to be careful. You do. Yeah. So what I heard you say is in the wake of, so I don't know what years we're talking about, but August 2021, Tina Peters office is rated that, you know, the indictment comes down in I think late 2022.

And throughout that period of time, some people, Randy Corcoran is a good example, reported the story and not just what Jenna Griswold said, but actually reported on, you know, Dominion voting systems and the Mesa reports and those kinds of things. And I think what I'm hearing you say is that he was punished for that. And anybody, right? I mean, Peter Boyles was never a friend of Tina Peters, but Randy Corpren was. Yeah. And Randy paid a price, a heavy one, as did Matt Dunn, because Salem, you know, had they not done that and kind of showed that they're willing to sacrifice two of their own, I think Dominion might have gone the entire way and bankrupted Salem.

I mean, they were on a mission to squash anybody that came out and disparaged, besmirged, the reputation of Dominion. And whether it was warranted or not, you know, they were flexing their muscles in court. they were bringing a lot of high-priced lawyers to, I got to say that these radio outfits, even I-Hart, which is like top of the charts, they don't have the money, nor do they have the wherewithal or the desire to go in the legal system

and battle in the courts for one of their on-air talents. They're just going to cut them loose and say you're not worth the effort, you're not worth the problem. I mean, it's just any story, though. We're not just talking about any story and not being willing to go head-to-head on any story. We're talking about our democracy, right? We're talking about the election and in the wake of

the election and in the years since there were investigations. We see just the news is out today with more reporting on the seizing of records from Maricopa County. There were people, and this goes to the 2024 election, run back election services again is acting as an arm of the government with zero oversight. There's no chain of custody on these ballots. And we're not allowed to talk about it. And if you try, you'll lose your livelihood is what I heard. And I don't want to put words in your mouth. But that's what I heard you say.

That's really gross. And we can't, we, that's when, when we look at like, you know, heading into the golden age and what is, what is the transformation of media look like? It can't be that. We can't ever, we can't ever allow the right, the speech code stuff that we've lived through over the, and we like, you know, you're in the, you're in the, you're in the, space now with people who have been canceled for what they have said over and over and over again. Abby, did you tell us about your channels?

Yeah, I mean, just if you speak against any of the main narrative, you're going to get a warning on YouTube, you know, three strikes you're out, you're gone. And it's wild because you're like, I'm in America. What's going on here? I thought freedom of speech was something we cherished here. So, yeah, no, it's something that we've all dealt with here. and I mean, it's hard when you have to choose to do that balance as well. Do I speak the truth?

I lose my job and those types of things. Yeah, we're not going back to that. We're not going back to the Ministry of Truth and the mystists and malinformation and all of that. We're going to, we're going to mock them to their faces. I love it. Punch right through, Ash. She's punching right through. Well, yeah, because it matters.

And that's the thing about the Tina Peters. story that is like this is it's i mean obviously i think everybody knows it's like the most important story to me one because i've lived it since the beginning but two because everybody's lying like like everybody has an angle and everybody has a part of the story and often puts themselves into it and and has this this i don't know telling the the version of the truth they want to be the version of the story they want to be the truth rather than the truth. Like, you know, Tina Peters did nothing wrong. Now, I can make a, you know, I can twist myself into a pretzel to make that argument that, you know, she, she did is lesser two of you.

I don't even have to twist myself with her pretzel. It's lesser of two evils. But, but that's like, it's much easier to say, yeah, this, this is what happened. I mean, she's stipulated to it at trial. So it's not, it's just storytelling. It's so detached. The stories being told are so detached from the facts that it's, um, it's, um, I mean, I feel like the truth matters.

And not somebody's version of event, but the actual record of the truth. And we're getting, I think, closer to that, which is nice. And the federal appeal of the habeas, that was the breaking news part of this was Friday. They filed that. So that's appealing the First Amendment claims and the younger abstention. The younger extension said that the federal courts couldn't, get involved until the matter was exhausted at the state courts.

They're arguing that they read that wrong and appealing to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. We'll see what happens there. Yeah. I'm crazy. Now I've totally messed up my show flow because we read the E block that we just did

first. So yeah, good time. That's okay. We don't need order here. I know. It's, it's, we're all over the place. So let's, let's, let's, talk, I want to read a little bit of this because let's talk about media generally and then get into, I want to talk about radio and kind of where the challenges are and all of that kind of

stuff. But I pulled this. This is from a year ago. This is a PwC's unleashing agility in a rapidly changing world and it's focused on the global entertainment and media outlook. For 26 years, and this, of course, the links to everything that we discussed tonight will be in the show notes, ashtonamerica.subsect.com as per usual, they're not up yet though, because I forgot to do them. For 26 years, we have been charting the growth and expansion of the highly dynamic entertainment and media industry. We see that from 2025, expected outlook 2025 to 2029, revenues will rise 5.5% to $2.9 trillion. So it's growing. Here's the trends they see. Regulatory changes and tariffs constitute a significant growth headwind. One of the things

that I found was really interesting in looking at the market sizing of this is that U.S. and China are the leaders. I'm looking for the numbers here. So the market is global market value of media and entertainment is $11.2 billion. And of that, 30 billion is the U.S. and $25.9 billion is China. And then when you consider like Chinese acquisitions of U.S. media assets, local media resources, all that kind of stuff that's going on, it's kind of crazy. The other big insight of this, which I think is Abby kind of, you know, personal to us is it's a fundamental challenge to convince consumers to allocate a larger share of their discretionary income to media and entertainment. Everybody wants it for free.

Everybody wants all the content for free. And that's a real challenge because you have to rely on advertisers. And, you know, kind of we put our money where our morals are here. And we only advertise, we only have advertisers on the network that are America First. America, small business owners and all that kind of stuff. But the market is changing and it's kind of exciting, right? We say in this movement a lot of the times, we are the news now. No, I don't know that, you know, anybody at Badlands really wants to be the news.

You know, certainly entertainment, right? We're always entertaining ourselves here on the network. And that's the fun of it. But I don't know, like it's seeing. So Ryan, I want to know, like, he's. You were in radio and not just in radio, but in the studio during COVID. And in my kind of estimation of how the world has changed, COVID was a catalyst in every industry for massive transformation. What was that like being inside Iheart at the time of COVID?

It was kind of like when the bobs came in in the movie office space and they were determining who was essential personnel and who was expendable. And they had that series of interviews. And obviously, I was one of these glue guys that was keeping programming on the air. Our hosts were doing their shows remotely. It was a ghost town. And prior to COVID, we had a tremendous amount of support staff and just people that were not only helping with sales, but with marketing and promotions and logistics. Once COVID hit and those people were sent home, many of them were laid. off. Some of them came back. Many of them did not. Some of them that came get back got laid off again.

And then their jobs were just eliminated. They were terminated. And so for me, it was kind of like hunger games. You know, you're watching people that you like that are determined not to be essential personnel going forward because during COVID, IHeart figured it out. You know, they were coming out of bankruptcy around that time too. And that's been another challenge for a lot of these big media conglomerates, Cumulus just filed for bankruptcy. Not that long ago, they're a big giant Clear Channel sold out to IHeart. And even then, IHart went bankrupt. So by the time, you know, the whole COVID crap was over and everybody returned to work,

there was hardly anybody there. It was just a really threadbare, barebone staff, sales, some of the, you know, E-suite type people, the on-air people. But that was it. I mean, there was a lot more diversification within the individual roles, including my own. And I'm sure it's not unique to radio that a lot of businesses did that. It was a total bloodletting. And so many people got let go during COVID.

And those jobs never came back and they're not coming back. And it kind of goes to, I think, the theme of this exercise with radio is you either adapt or die. It's like you said, Ash, we used to subscribe when we were. younger, you know, the newspapers, you'd pay money or magazine subscription, you'd pay money. But everybody wants their online content for free. Well, who's, you know, who's going to create that content? They're not going to do it for free. But people are reticent, you know, to make, ah, it's a paywall or whatever. Like, okay, well, you want your content for free. You're going to get what you pay for. So now you've got college kids coming up, just looking for an opportunity.

They'll do it for next to nothing and they're undercutting wages and, you know, the newspapers are going out of business. Radio stations are going out of business. So what do we do? In this space, we adapt to more of a format and platform like you guys have, which is podcasting, trying to monetize those, putting those online, the way people and especially younger people now consume their media, listen, they're not turning on the radio in their cars, ever at all. They don't do it. So how do you reach them? Well, you've got to go where they are. And, you know, eye heart and the rest of the multimedia universe they're still figuring that out you know i had to ingenue kind of uh show some innovation with my podcast so when you see it there are tones that are inserted for ads that we can sell but that's a

harder sell to the traditional advertisers out there let's say in the denver market what are they buying well it's digital what is that how do i measure it so there's a lot of confusion there's a lot education that still needs to take place and i i have opened that space up on my podcast to try to create some kind of value added for these advertisers. What are they getting more than just the radio over the air in the moment ads? Well, they're getting these recurring ads that people listen to at their convenience, their leisure. But again, we're still way behind the curve on that.

And that's been paralyzing this industry. Yeah, it's become way more decentralized. And so for the math, it's the, it's the, I've talked about this on the show quite a bit, but the starfish and the spider problem. because you have the ability now for Abby and I, Abby's in Alaska, I'm here in Colorado, we can jump on and do a show together. We don't need the brick and mortar. We don't need all the infrastructure.

We don't have a whole bunch of producers. We have tooling. We have great tooling that has replaced a lot of what you have had to be human jobs previously, but it made it way more accessible for us to do what we do. And that's part of the, that's happening to every. industry and conglomerate, massive players, global corporations are going to have the Napster MGM Studios problem. You're going to try to, you're going to be playing whackamol.

You're going to try to defeat the enemy. You're going to take us all to court, right? And all of the things and fight. But while you're fighting to preserve the status quo, not you, but like the global corporations, while they're fighting to preserve the status quo, the industry is transforming right before they're price. And then you wake up and you're like, oh, shit. Who are all these feral podcasters that, you know, have more better followers than I do? Yeah. That's the truth, folks. I was thinking about it. You also have these young people. And I'm not saying like you have to like have a PhD to be a professional broadcaster,

but you'll have these kids that'll come out and make, here's my take on this and it's edgy. And then that goes viral when let's say maybe like a say a news station or a, radio station might have a little take on it but that's not going to get out there and nobody's going to get paid for that with it and so I do see the problem where the narrative is going to be pushed by who knows what is it even vetted and yeah so it's something to think about and then there's the thing like podcast or blogger journalist versus influencer right like are you creating Are you creating content that's based on ideas and, you know, whether it's related to the news or more like this show, like looking, you know, kind of at macro trends in society, having like having discussions about ideas. Or are you there for the photo op?

Are you, you know, just pushing into clickbait headlines and all that kind of stuff? There's so much noise in it. In the, in the communications space right now, there's a lot of noise, but there's a lot of really good stuff too. I think. There's so much that word, I hate it so much, but it's apropos influencer. When I hear

influencer, I hear the griff design with somebody like Candice Owens. And she's just looking for rage bait and heat and clicks. And in pro wrestling, they call it cheap heat. She's playing into an audience. She's throwing them red meat.

It doesn't have to be based in fact, truth, any kind of journalistic standards whatsoever. And that's the thing, Ash, big thing, is there would be journalistic ethics and standards enforced, whether it's my newsroom. You know, we go in there, we're constantly talking about how do we maintain our credibility. We can't lose that. And it matters. It means something in that newsroom. It does in newspaper newsrooms. But now you've got- Does it in nine news? What's that? Does it at nine news? Does journalistic integrity factor into the reporting at Nine News?

Well, it depends on your fear. Does Journalistic integrity factor into any of the reporting about Donald Trump for the past 10 years? Hmm. Well, maybe not in a lot of these. You're right. But it's their sphere of influence, right? So let's talk about nine news formal.

Let's talk about Kyle Clark formal. Why is he so big and why does he do what he does? And what vein is he tapping into? Well, it's the Denver Boulder corridor. And there's a bunch of libs who turn to him for confirmation bias. They're not looking for news or honest journalism or maybe Tina Peters has a point. It's to demonize her to get into their self-congratulatory sphere where they can go to their cocktail parties and, you know, piss on somebody like Tina Peters and she's white trash. You know how these people are.

That's how they are. These are coastal liberal elites who have shown up in Denver and Boulder, who have claimed the territory. And now they just enjoy the snobbery of each other's company. and that's Kyle Clark too. And he just, he is preaching to the choir. They are buying what he's selling. And it just so incidentally maybe occurs into the realm of journalism once in a while. But you're right.

It's not a standard that he adheres to. And it's fake news. And nationally, it was fine. They were fine breaking all of the rules in the era of Trump. And now they're scrambling because nobody trusts them anymore. And that's true for me. shouldn't trust it's 100% agree with you um but i don't think that i think that what you just described is like the most benevolent reading of what kyle clark is doing i i personally think that kyle clark

protects the state that's his job it's to protect the state and then say well hey on a second ashe he went against jenna griswold right he he took her down with the bios passwords he helped the state manage the crisis. And Jenna Griswold is a puppet and a retard. Okay. Jenna Griswold is not the expert on elections. We, you all you have to do is listen to her speak or ask her a pointed question about how elections work and you'll find that she is there, I think, to either be, you know, the next level in the in the performative politician space that she grabs a hold of or to be the scapegoat. Because Jenna Griswold didn't run that office. Chris Beale ran that office during the

wake of the 2020 election up through just the beginning of last year. And then that office, that role, that deputy secretary of state role that was filled by Chris Beal. And during my trial, he testified that he was where the buck stopped on decisions.

And he managed all of the staff. And he was the guy in charge. Now that role, very quietly, by the way, We, Becky, who I don't know if Becky's in the chat listening, but one of our awesome Mountain States badlanders, Becky, noticed on one of the press releases at C-DOS that the name of the secretary, the deputy secretary of state had changed. There's no press releases. There were no announcements made. They just quietly swapped them out. And it's Andrew Klein, former Perkins Coy guy, shoring up for battle with the federal government, in my opinion.

And these are facts, right? the change in Deputy Secretary of State facts. But Kyle Clark isn't going to tell that story. Nobody else is going to tell that story, except for us, you know, jump it up and down screaming. And then it's, you know, people notice it and they're like, oh, and then it's gone. Well, that's a very key point. You bring up the filtering of the news cycle.

I'm a shock to learn that he opened with a snippet of my show. He hates me. He hates that I call him, Comrade Kyle. He doesn't want to attribute me or credit me or say my name on air, but they have to credit it when I have an interview like Ash, you furnish me with. But there's also the issue of a candidate on our side. I don't know how your listeners or your audience feels about him. Victor Marx and the governor's race.

Yeah, I don't think people know about Victor Marx at all. But Victor Marks is the dark horse establishment candidate that's being forced in. You guys probably heard me talk about it right after the Charlie Kirk Memorial because all of our data was stolen. And I was pretty pissed about that. I think I ran to about it a few times on the air. But this Victor Marks guy is like the vaporware of a conservative candidate. And this is actually how I found out who you.

I had never heard of you before. You absolutely bodied him on the radio and everybody was sending it to me. And I was like, oh, my God, somebody on the radio is having a conversation about this. But yeah, go ahead. Well, that's the point is, you know, I was interested in vetting this mystery candidate who was just kind of dropped out of the sky. I'm as plugged in, I would say, to Republican politics in Colorado as anybody, the central players, you know, the movers, the shakers, the communications people, the everybody. Never heard of this guy. So I'm like, well, wait a minute.

We got to vet this guy. This is important. And he was trying to skate by on vibes and feels. I don't know. He just kind of, you know, he wasn't expecting to be challenged. It's just a piece. I don't know. But point being, there's a lot.

to uncover here. A lot of wacko shit. And like you said, I was pressing him on these wild details about his personal story, history, biography, and it wasn't comfortable. Kyle Clark could be doing a massive expose on Nine News. It would be big time viewers, but they want Victor Marks to win so that he can body Victor when he's the Republican nominee and it would do the Democratic Party good because that's what Kyle's in it for. I mean, I think Kyle is most likely an intelligence asset. Oh, he's an asset. He's incredibly powerful.

He's too smart to be an unwilling asset, like a gender, Griswold. So he knows. I don't know that she's, I don't know that she's unwilling. I think she is unwitting. I think, I don't know if she's unwilling. Maybe I think she's just, she'll just, just pop up to the table and do whatever she's told to do. That's her job. Two sets of passwords?

There's two sets of passwords. Elections received because there's two sets of passwords. I put one of them on the internet. On the internet. That was the other thing. Like the Josh Zygobomb, now I'm just going to rant at you. So the Josh Zygobong, you are Colorado local media right now. Okay.

So after the BIOS passwords, everybody remembers this, the 600 BIOS passwords, 600 plus BIOS passwords that were in a hidden tab on a spreadsheet, public on the website, as Tina Peters was, you know, in Mesa County, undergoing a trial for how horrible this very idea is. Jenna Griswold had them on the internet. After that, a recording of a phone call was released between Chris Beale, Deputy Secretary of State, and Josh Zygobam, Adams County Clerk, who Chris Beal on this phone call says, well, we weren't going to tell the clerks because it would create a media storm.

I'm paraphrasing, that's the just of what he said. I'm going to create a media storm. Where is the indictment? I mean, so then they told us, well, there's no breach. How do you know if you didn't tell the clerks? You can't possibly because they have the machines to which the passwords were compromised. Unless you do that investigation, you can't know if there wasn't a breach. And we weren't going to tell them because they would create a media storm.

So we're just going to cover up this massive scandal. And oh, by the way, those passwords were out there during two election events, the primary and the early voting for the general election. That's correct. And what happened? She appointed her own. investigative firm, her own firm, friendly firm to investigate. It's always, you know, scratch paper.

It's left in there. But, you know, it's fine. Mistakes for me. Nobody knew that you could hide tabs in Excel. What? I look it up right now, and it's literally the same title you say. It says, but they found no ill will in Secretary of States of Office leak. Like, oh my gosh.

She hired. Go ahead. But then, but, but then, I'm sorry, Abby. didn't need to. No, no, I just, I was looking it up to catch up while you guys are talking. I'm like, here we go. They already have the narrative they want you to think about it. Yeah. And that and then and then it went away. And that's and that's so, so when I when I say the system is currently only protecting the appearance of legitimacy. Right. That's what I mean. They are not legitimate. They're obstructing in a way that

If this was an SEC regulated public company, it would be Enron. It would be raids and documents shredding and, you know, hopefully no golden parachutes. But let's be honest, they probably all have them. But that, but it's not. It's fine. So, you know. Well, the analogy I would use ash, because you're going to going right up to that border of what I'm thinking about is they're more concerned about controlling the reaction. to what this news would mean if the truth were uncovered,

to your point. They want to make sure there is not chaos, you know, with the media firestorm, as you put it, that there isn't panic, a reaction by the public. And what is that mirror? That mirrors the control that was kind of placed upon us during COVID where Dr. Fauci said it in a 60 minutes interview, masks don't do anything.

But because COVID was such an unknown, was so scary, they had to provide a story that gave people reassurance and comfort that if you wore a mask, you'd be okay. There was no truth to that. If you stood six feet apart, you'd be okay. There was no truth to that. If you just got the shots, you'll be okay.

You won't get the disease and you won't transmit the disease. False and false. But if they were to come out with a blunt force truth during COVID, we don't know what it is. We don't know how it's spread. We don't know how serious it's gonna be. There would be wide, spread panic at the disco.

And they couldn't afford to have that. So what did they do? They mitigated the presentation of the story and whatever facts so that, you know, the Subaru drivers in Boulder would be reassured. Falsely, I might add, a false sense of security that, well, I'm going to wear a mask, I'm going to social distance, and I'm going to get the shot, all to assuage fears. And I think the same way here with the elections, data security breaches, passwords getting out there that controlling the narrative, the reaction to that, that was the priority. Not sorting out whether there was a problem or not in getting the bottom of it.

No, we want to avoid a media firestorm. So it was done as a firewall and everybody wanted to buy into it because we're better off not looking. Just pretend you don't see what's behind the curtain. And that's exactly what happened. It was before the 2024 election. It was before the 2024. It was October 24th, I think.

when they pulled the document down in the 28th when it was reported. And so I don't, I don't, I can't get on board with that's the same thing as what happened during COVID. And I know you're not creating a false equivalency, but it's, it's work. When we're talking about elections, we're talking about consent. So if, if we're protecting the appearance of legitimacy over the system through which we afford, we confer consent, we're in real dangerous territory. And that's exactly what happened. They're protecting the appearance of legitimacy of their own legitimacy. The appearance of we're here in this seat of power,

with the ability to wield all of these authorities over your lives and tell you what to do until you can't go out to your point about COVID to tell you all of the power that they were able to execute during COVID was given to them by election. So when we find out that there's two election events, the primary and early voting where the passwords are compromised, the deputy secretary of state says, well, you know, we weren't going to tell anyone because we didn't want a media frenzy. Yeah. It's totally fine, though. Don't worry about it. Here's the other thing.

So if they don't tell the clerks, like going way down into the weeds now, but it's important. If they don't tell the clerks that the passwords for their machines have been breached. But they tell us that there is no. breach, right, that we know for sure. Well, then they're admitting to remote access and remote monitoring, which is something that they've told us has never been able. But nobody will ask the questions about the, I mean, like, you know, we will, but they'll never answer our question, right? Like that's, and it's, there's so many problems with what happened here in the 2024 election, but we're still pretending like they're legitimate. We're still wondering who's going to win the

midterms. Who's going to win the primary for the midterm in the fake election? But hang on a second, guys, elections are fake. Yeah, but don't say that because we need them to appear legitimate. What? I'm sorry, what? Why is nobody else pissed off about this? Like, that's kind of the question. It's like, well, we don't want to get canceled.

Then we're doomed, guys. I don't know what to tell you. Like, sack the fuck up or we're doomed. It goes to a quote I just heard from that weasel Adam Kinzinger, or the former Republican representative from Illinois who jumped into our business. It's like, stay the fuck out. But he was criticizing Jared Polis

for even considering clemency for Tina Peters because of the point you just made. The myth, right, the fantasy that our elections are safe and secure must be preserved and maintained at all costs, even if Tina Peters, albeit ham-handedly, was uncovering some inconvenient your truths about security breaches or the potential for those in our voting machines,

in our data systems, in our elections, can't ask those questions. It's exactly right, Ash, because then you cast doubt. And now Americans have doubt in our elections, and we can't have that. So Kinsinger wants to protect and preserve the mythology behind the elections. And therefore, Tina Peters, she must be the scapegoat. She must serve that sentence. She cannot get clemency. because she was asking all the right questions at the very wrong time and he's just one of them phil wiser jenna griswold very ironically so in her case coming out pushing back real hard against governor pollis even considering this why why are they so adamantly opposed to her being granted clemency that's a question i would pose for everybody that's watching right now

yeah i mean i i know the answer the answer is because the people that are screaming the loudest Jenna Griswold, Phil Weiser, Dan Rubinstein, Matt Crane, these are the people that put her there. They're the co-conspirators that weaponize the government for Tina Peters. And this is where, so I'm, again, my opinions about this case are nuanced and my own. I don't want her to get clemency. I want the conviction overturn because the due process issues with the way that her case was tried and gate kept from the jury and sentenced in the end is. a weaponization of government. They don't get to get away with that. But if she gets a pardon or if she

gets clemency, they get away with that. And I don't, I don't think that she would want that. I know she wants to get out for sure. But I also know that if she was, you know, you brought up Kyle Clark asking the question, would she lie? Would she lie and feign, what's the word? Contrition. Fane to get out of prison. But she could have done that all along. They didn't want to take that case. to trial. They tried to get, it's my understanding, and I don't, I don't have a source I can pull up, but it is my understanding. Source is close to the matter. Tell me. Nautomous source is close to the matter, granted anonymity because I can't remember who they are. I'm kidding. I remember who they are. But that she was asked several times. They tried to get her to settle every time, several times,

but she refused to say that she did something wrong. And so they, you know, took it all the way. And then they were pissed, I think, my opinion, based on the information available. They were pissed that it went the way that it did, that they had to bring it in the first place, that the impeachment evidence that was produced led to three of the felonies, her being acquitted on three felonies. The one time, because it was impeachment witness, she didn't have to, they didn't have to disclose it to the prosecution. The one time that the presentation of evidence to the jury wasn't entirely gate kept by the prosecution and the judge.

The one time she was able, because of the rules of our, our justice system, she was able to present evidence to the jury that they didn't gatekeep first. Those charges she was acquitted on. Those three felonies she was acquitted on. That should make everybody pause and say, hang on a second. They can gatekeep a criminal trial and give somebody nine years in prison and you're not allowed to, they will characterize your intent to the jury. Tell them why you did what you did and then not allow you to defend against that and then

put you in prison for nine years. That's where we're at. Why are more people not alarmed? The majority here, the majority of people with platforms here in Colorado are justifying this. Republicans and Democrats, justifying that she got what she deserved because she's such a threat to our democracy. Wow. No, she's a threat to their power. She's a threat to their power because their power is illegitimate and they desperately need Tina Peters in prison to project the legitimacy of their power.

Right. The appearance of legitimacy. Well, and the question I had for John Kast, today and I thought it was a fascinating answer that he gave because he was really threading a needle. And you may have heard this, Ash, is so in order for her to go down that clemency path with Governor Polis, what he revealed to Kyle Clark was to your point,

she would need to show contrition, admit she did something wrong, apologize for the error of her ways. But on the other hand, they're battling this out in the courts, right? The court of appeals seem to be very sympathetic to the harshness of the sentence and the basis of the sentence,

which was evidence, that was cited by the judge that she was peddling snake oil, that she was a charlatan, but that was not allowed in the courtroom. In fact, the jury was dismissed while the judge instructed the defense that you cannot talk about your theories on the election being conspired against or anything like that. And yet he invoked that. He invoked that part of it in his sentencing. So therein, the sentence itself is up for question.

And what John Case told me was they're pretty confident that they're going to win their way through the court. So the question is, if you're her attorney, do you ride this out through the legal process knowing that you're in the right and that you might win that way? Or do you need to expedite this, kind of take your medicine, tell Polis what he wants to hear, admit you're wrong when you don't think you're wrong, and then you get granted clemency? I don't know how the lawyers are able to navigate both those paths at the same time, but it seems like John Case and the team there, they're going to try it. Yeah. I mean, the poll, Paul is granting Tina Peters clemency helps Paulus the most.

Oh, yeah. You know, it gets Tina out, but it kind of ends the rest of the matter and the inquiry, which is I don't believe what she wants. Right. But it makes him get to pretend to be libertarian. He gets to be, you know, I'm such a libertarian while I decide to run for nationwide office because he's going to run for record. God help us all.

And I will remind all of you all the time why. he's the worst. It's also, though, he's turned our state into such a meme. It's such a national punchline, Colorado, that I think he's, I think he's beyond repair. I'm going to try because they can't help it. That's what they do. All right.

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It is certainly within one or two days, one year anniversary. But when I went back and looked up, because I know it's the one year anniversary of what we're going to play here in a second. But when I went back to find that, the same video had Alpha making a sandwich. I said, did. And for folks like right before I cut it. Yeah, no, we have a show on Monday's called Alphas Make Sandwiches. It's like a not gay version of the view. And we came about because Alpha said we couldn't do it.

And he bet us. And I said, all right, well, if we do, then you have to make us sandwiches. And he did. And that was a lot of fun. But exactly one year ago today, for sure, we were in Las Vegas throwing axes. And do you have the video? I got it. Here we go.

So if it opens up here. Perfect. I never heard this. Oh, yeah. It was a shovelhead. Danger. Yeah. Watch out.

Like the whole time I was thinking about zombies. Hey. That's a good one. Brad for these in your car. Yeah. Yes. I don't know, Ash. I don't mess with you.

I want you on my team and the zombies come, all right? So the axe- So it's the one situation Yeah! So it's the axe-throwing trip, not planned. Just an impromptu thing that happens at Gart, and we will be in Nashville. April 9th through the 11th, is that right?

Yes. Yes, I believe it is. The thing, yeah. 9th through the 12th. 9th through the 12th, we will be in Nashville. You can see who's there. We would love for you to join us. We're going to be line dancing.

We showed Christy's teaching us. And she played a video today on Alpha's Make Sandwiches, showing the steps. And my earnest desire to everyone that is listening that's going to Nashville is that you learn those steps so that at any moment we can break into a flash mob doing that line dance. Because I feel like that would be really on brand for us. So learn the steps. We're going to do that. We're going to do karaoke. We're going to have all sorts of fun.

And we're going to have a lot of great conversations and not the same arguments about Bitcoin that we have all the time. I'm over it. We're not. If you can't join us in person, virtual tickets are on sale now through the 15th. And then they go up to regular price. So badlandsmedia. com. Get your Gart tickets and join us in Nashville in person or virtually.

It's going to be a blast. You're going to have you will not regret it. I'm so much fun. Can I go? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So. We have way too much fun.

I want to shift it to, well, actually, first, I want to go back to what you were talking about with Gen Z. Because I pulled radio metrics. And like you guys have a terrestrial radio. You guys have a captive audience. You got everybody in the car. And you said that Gen Z doesn't turn their cars off. And I think that's, you know, you've got, you know, you can plug in your Apple music or your Spotify or whatever. But according to this was beauty matter, radio versus podcast by the numbers, they said that 55% of Gen Z listens to the radio in the car.

The radio or like a live app streaming service? AMFM. Amfell. Yeah. Contrary to some. Here, I'll read all the stats for you. In the U.S., terrestrial radio still reaches approximately 82 to 93% of adults weekly. Driving remains the course.

core of radio consumption with 86% of ad-supported listening in cars occurring via AM-FM stations. Roughly 40 to 55% of radio listeners now use smart speakers facilitating a transition into voice-activated digital radio. Nice. Let's play the Ryan Shuling Show, right? Of course. Contrary to some assumptions, daily AM-FM listenership among Gen Z reached 55% in the U.S. in 2024. That's fascinating because here I am 51 years old

and the way I listen, I mean, I'll listen to our radio stations, but not necessarily over the air signal. So you can listen to my show live on the IHeart radio app and a lot of people do. Your signals more guaranteed in most cases to be steadier, not fade out, not be subject to static, all that sort of thing. So when I'm in my car, I've got a mount, I've got a Bluetooth connection,

I'm locked into that and I'll tool around on that. But this is a radio host. You don't listen to the radio. It's ironic, I know. He's a radio that doesn't listen to the radio. Not the traditional way anyway. So I just prefer it. Special wants your take on whether or not streaming metrics are much more reliable than the made-up estimated listeners.

And I have to agree with that question with the live plus same day times 100 type of. times 1,000, sorry, live live, live viewers, same-day viewers, times 1,000. Well, if we're talking over the air, it was a while ago that Nielsen bought out Arbitron, so they do both television and radio metering. And Denver is what we call a metered market. I don't know anybody that has a people meter, but apparently you put them in your car and it attaches and it literally measures in real time what you're listening to and for how long. I'm not allowed to have those by the rules of Nielsen because I'm in radio.

I work in radio. So maybe that's why I don't know anybody in my business that they don't have them. But those are pretty accurate logs as opposed to maybe smaller markets or back in the old days. You'd have to rely on somebody's memory to fill out a diary. And you don't remember exactly when you were listening or for how long you could make it up. These are a little bit more precise. but obviously streaming numbers are, they're exactly what they are.

They're digital. They're registered in real time. They're accurate. You'd have to say, somehow you're manipulating the system to get fake bot listeners or something. I don't know if that's... I think people still do that too.

Yeah. I think there's still... I think that we're at... Still in the kind of upward portion of this transformation to this industry. There is so much that we don't know how it's going to work out. I think back to, again, like the Napster MGM thing and how Apple came out with the iPod.

And then Dell came out with the Dell jukebox. I don't know if people remember that whole thing. There was the period of time before we had, when we went from cassette tapes, the VHS tapes to DVDs, there was a whole bunch of tech. In between that, there were some cartridges. there were giant blue ray discs there were other things right like it's going to the market is going to figure out what's going to happen but you have to be kind of looking looking ahead so we talked about briefly talked about smart speakers being one of the kind of emerging technologies that's impacting radio and media in general but a bigger one is AI and um I wonder like how AI has impacted you but I

want to read this first. This is from the, again, from the PWC Global Entertainment and Media Outlaw, quote, to a large extent, the adoption of AI and the E&M industry is following the pattern set by previous waves of technology innovation. When companies first embrace it, the new technology is largely used as a cost and labor-saving device to enhance speed and efficiency in back-office processes, thereby improving the bottom line and in turn boosting profitability and valuation. There's much greater long-term impact from emerging technology, and it comes when it presents the ability to operate in new ways, create new business models, and access previously untapped revenue streams. With AI, this value-creating potential is likely

larger than with any previous technology. As more people become fluent in AI tools, it will have an amplifying effect on ingenuity and creativity and will emerge as a powerful innovation and collaboration partner. And as E&M companies across the industry start to realize this potential through their own advances, they will create more personalized, relevant, and compelling experiences

for their customers than was previously imaginable. So the industry analysts and globalists are very bullish on AI's impact on the entertainment and media industries. What do you say, Ryan? It's happening whether we like it or not. So it's adapt or die again,

applied in this arena. I'm two examples I'll give. One positive and one very ominous and negative. The positive one is so for my podcast when I upload them, I used to have to tediously come up with like episode descriptions and think back and who were the guests and what do I type in and, you know, go through that whole process. Now we just updated our software from Spreaker to a new interface and it generates an episode description based on AI. It generates chapter descriptions based on the input of just the words that

are spoken and it blows my mind because it's fairly accurate. I've got to go back and correct like some proper names like people's names or towns, that sort of thing. But for the most part, it nails it and it's getting better. It's improving. AI is constantly learning and it's very science fiction. The other part of it, the bad example. So back home in Michigan, I, I, I have a, I have a buddy of mine going back many years who has been an FM radio DJ. And if you're on the air in that capacity, well, your voice is captured and they store it and there's a lot of it. And there's this gal that he and I both knew that put out a Facebook post that said, hey, AI version of me is now going to host middays. And I'm moving in the afternoon.

And we're like, dummy, it's going to replace you. You're going to be doing these song intros and the fake version of you doesn't need health insurance, doesn't need a salary, doesn't need vacation time. And they're just going to plug that quasi-human version of you in and the audience will be none the wiser. Don't you see the downside of that? And I don't know. Like, how do you stay ahead of that? So in my business, you know, based on why to just describe with the episode descriptions, will they be, this is freaky stuff,

will they be able to capture enough of my voice, my patterns, my intonations, my jokes, you know, things I talk about with ash off the air, to recreate a fake version of me to host a talk show. And I think the answer ultimately will probably be yes. And that's very scary. Yeah, so that's a Black Mirror episode. Joan is awful is the episode.

And it was, I think, the first one of the most, most recent Black Mirror season. Brian and I covered that on the air because it's it's exactly that. They have your likeness. They have your voice. You sign the rights away to it. And I think that at least in modern times should, well, it should always be consent driven. I think we have the mechanism to capture consent for that. But then again, maybe not, right? Like Melania Trump worked really hard to get the take it down act passed, excuse me, because it's not, you know, none of these things are as easy as making a law. And certainly in the digital space, you have to, you need more tooling. You actually need AI to defeat AI, right? Like,

that's kind of where we're at. And that's, I think it's really interesting. I think that the individuals in particular, but also the companies that embrace it with with their brains turn, on. So we're going to use it for tooling. We're going to use it to, you know, like descriptions and things like you're saying, low hanging fruit use cases. But there is, it's, it's getting better AI, but it's still inauthentic, right? Like those AI videos, they did, everybody freaked out. What was the, it was the, the, the, the, the, the bite dance. What was the name of that tool? that was it had like all the um disney and marvel uh characters and was creating those are compelling

i still get sucked into it but it's not it's i don't know there's just there's an authenticity thing that's missing for it and i really do believe that it as we get flooded and flooded like before a i there's too much noise in the communications ecosystem right but you take um you add AI and it's it's like we're we're up to here just with I slop and other clickbait nonsense and noise. And I don't know how the kind of the breakout of that is going to be where the platforms. I think Rumble is a great platform. I think there's less AI slop on Rumble than there is on YouTube.

And I think that authentic creators that don't want to be beholden to YouTube, you know, banning you and taking your livelihood because you said the wrong thing, because the government changes hands again and everybody decides that our rights don't actually matter anymore. And we're going to go back to the COVID era of control. I think that authenticity is going to break out as kind of the requirement. And then maybe people will pay for content. Then maybe when there's so much flooding and you want, you just want something real. I've had a theory that that will happen.

Eventually, authentic material will be the one that, like, the golden jewel everyone's looking for. Like, this is a song that's actually sung by a person. Like, I can tell, you know, I think a lot of people can tell. Like, I love who you call AI Slop. It is. There's something to it. It's polished. It's almost perfect.

And it shouldn't be perfect. Or not perfect. Art isn't perfect. And as I think eventually, people are going to get tired of it. Also, you're right. The newscape is. flooded with all these articles and things. You can tell. They're just done, like fed in and they're just copy and paste. It's like, dear God, you're almost looking for someone that's making mistakes

or looks more authentic in their writing. So, yeah, I think maybe we'll come full circle. I'm hoping. Well, and so much of the news is there's, you know, two facts that are known, but there's 700 words that are generated to explain the two facts and provide the agenda and the angle on the two two facts and keep people's attention and eyeballs for as long as you can on whatever that story is, even though it's, you know, there was a meeting and these people attended. Yeah, that's what we know. But there's like 700 words speculating about what is it going to mean and are we going to a war with Iran and all of the things?

And it's like, hang on, roll it back. What are the facts? That should be the job of true news media is here's what we know. Here's what we know. right but the book kind of blending of entertainment in there and then just the hyper politicization of everything where and this is the age of Trump right

I went to journalism school I have a journalism degree I know the journalistic integrity principles they threw all that shit out the window not with Trump with Obama with Obama the guy could do no wrong any scandal was covered up because you don't want to besmirch the good name of Obama and then they got comfortable controlling that showing that they were controlling the

news and then we got the age of Trump where every standard every norm every principle was sacrificed to get Trump and it's not because Trump is so scary it's because Trump is a threat he is a threat to their power he is you know I the the the the russia gate riko grand rico conspiracy investigation is ongoing. The seizure of election records in Arizona following the seizure of election records in Georgia, both of those are grand jury subpoenas. Oh, really? That's a big deal. Yeah. And we are closer to accountability than we've ever been, closer to actually having justice than we've ever been. And that's, I'm pretty excited. I'm too. We're just hanging out. I'm just waiting. I'm, you know, I have a certain amount of

faith for sure of my own in the administration, but I do feel that there's certain things that have to take place that will be done behind the scenes. Like I'm not somebody that knows all the ins and outs, you know, of, you know, in the court of law and stuff like that. But if there is like a RICO case going on, like you said, those things can't be spilled out in the public yet. So there is going to be some time where we're like, what's happening? So yeah. But I do like the idea of just reporting on the news. It was funny. I know it's a little off topic, but there was this topic saying that there was a transmission that was received, okay, and that it has to do with sleeper cells being activated here in America. So I was like, okay, what did the transmission say?

I track it down to Fox News received it from a source in the federal government. Okay, what did it actually say? What was the transmission? We don't know. We just think that it was an Iranian transmission. And I was like, this is not news. This is not real reporting. There's no sauce there. So that's what we're dealing with. So, yeah. Anonymous sources close to the matter. When I was in journalism school, that was taught as an absolutely last resort. And that you should, you also need to have some real sourcing if you're going out with a story based on anonymous sources close to the matter.

This is in 1990s. Not that we had real news in the 1990s, but I think we had way closer to. It's probably better. Yeah. But now there's no. they give zero fucks about coming out with with anonymous sources close to the matter reporting groundbreaking earth-shattering scandalous stories with just anonymous sourcing and that is that this is to the point of journalistic integrity right it's you can't get it once your credibility

is gone once the once the trust in your institution is gone damn near impossible to get it back and certainly not going to get it back with the level of obstruction that we still have you know Kyle Clark protects the government. That's his job. He came out with a video the other day. It was like, news is not just saying what the government said. It's like, did you just figure that out, bro? Because that's been your entire approach to news for the

entire time that I've known you. And I'm glad that you finally figured it out. I was talking to him face to face at the Mike Lindell trial and I asked him a question and it was kind of like a zeroed in narrow question on a fact. And the fact had just come out in the trial.

And it was like his face was like the matrix reprogramming itself. And just then all of a sudden the story changed. It was the Joe Altman call. Were you surprised to learn that there was actually a call? Because I didn't know there was a call. They always told us there was no call that Joe made it up, right? So all of a sudden there is a call.

And Kyle's like, well, there always was a call. What? Like I was like watching just reprogramming his face, right? They're quick. They're fast. Yeah, man. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Mr. Smith. Yeah, but that's the thing is that they're protecting the appearance of their own legitimacy. And as soon as we stop believing in it, it goes away. If enough of the people understand that these people aren't legitimate, that they're the stupidest fucking people among us. We are being ruled by the stupidest people among us. Jenna Griswold, are you kidding me? She's running to be attorney general.

That crazy-eyed Jonestown Jenna bitch wants to be the law in the state of Colorado. And we're just like supposed to pretend like that's legitimate. And by the way, she runs her own election. I mean, not her, Andrew Klein, because she doesn't actually do anything. But yeah, no, it's not, it's not real. It's not real. If we had real election, we'd be able to look. That motherfucker is not real.

The lady on the plane man. Yes. Exactly. Yeah, exactly that. Yeah. That motherfucker is not real. Joneson Jenna is not real. She is a fabrication.

She was an Obama elections attorney. Then she worked for Hickham Hooper. And at no point can she explain to you how elections work. But we're supposed to listen to her. And Tina Peters is in prison for, you know, lying. That's it. I mean, that's why she's in prison. She's in prison for a misrepresentation.

One misrepresentation to three people. Conspiracy is the same. Makes up eight years and three months of her nine years. So she'd be done. if it weren't for the misrepresentation. And I get it, right? Like, you know, lying is wrong. Jenna Griswold lies to all of us all the time, though.

Like all of us all the time. And they lie to the clerks, right? So in that phone call, you've got at least a lie of omission, Chris Beale admitting, well, we weren't going to tell the clerks because it was going to cause a media storm. So we were just going to tell everybody that there was no breach and everything's fine. That's worse. There's 64 clerks, by the way.

So that should be three and a half fucking years for every single one of them that Jenna Griswold and her office lied. to and every single person involved in covering that up is complicit. That's kind of where I'm at. If you're still helping them cover and project the appearance of legitimacy, you're still helping them because we're all afraid of what comes next. Oh my gosh, it'll be chaos. If we tell people how fake everything is, they'll be really upset.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, sucks to be you. You shouldn't have lied to us for so long. but we're not like this this you can't we cannot have real election this is all I'll end here and then I'll give you guys your last word we cannot have real

elections until we are honest about how fucking fake elections have been because there has been a it's not just the presidency it's control of the Senate in 2020 the Georgia runoff elections used on the same machines that they knew we know now that they knew

had massive issues on election night in November 3rd, 2020, they used that same system on January 5th, 2021, and stole the fucking Senate. The ballot measures. We got the unfettered abortion here in 2020, and we got the National Popular Vote Compact, meaning if enough states sign on, we've just overturned the Electoral College without, you know, using fake elections. Okay, well, hold on that point real quick. had that been in place this past election, Colorado's electoral votes would have gone to Donald Trump

because he won the popular vote, you stupid motherfuckers. And I am of mind that Colorado's electoral votes should have gone to Kamala Harris. But because these people are moronic bastards, they're going to punt their own future away because they're so myopic, Ash and Abby, that right in front of them is the only thing they see must be Trump.

But they don't think long game of, you might get fucked by that. And they would have in this past election. Yeah, but when Trump is the, so going back to 2020 election, right, and the level of obstruction that happened during his first term, got to get Trump when you are fabricating investigations

and or stealing elections is treason. Because one, he's the sitting president of the United States. Two, it's being done. in pursuit of foreign interests because he's America first and his agenda is at odds with the interests of globalism. And I forgot what three is, but it's treason. And like we're, well, you know, they're just really trump deranged. I don't give a shit. I'm sorry for your mental illness, but you can't commit treason. You don't get to steal our elections. You don't get to decide

that it's just so bad. Abby, remember that we played that Stephen Cash guy last week, the guy that was like we fortified the election and you know had a bunch of um a bunch of NGOs working behind the scenes oh yes yes that guy treason mm-hmm and well you know Trump's really divisive and he made a lot of people upset so we need to give nope I didn't get that j-sixers didn't get that anybody on the you know to the to the right side of christie burton brown didn't get that Christy Burton Brown is. I don't know. I do.

She's just another one that's just happy to be sitting at the table and doesn't have a fucking original thought in her head. All right. So, final thoughts. Abby, go ahead and then we'll give Ryan the last word. I love it.

I enjoyed learning more about all the election fraud that has been going on. And it's true. Until that's fixed, I'm not satisfied because, you know, I feel like goes on into even small elections, just fraud and cheating on all levels. So until that's fixed, I'm not going to be satisfied. And we need to be able to talk about it.

And it's wild that they don't want people talking about it. So, Rosh, Lives Matter. I missed it. I missed it. Oh, I was just, I was looking for, I was just putting up some of the audience comments. But yeah, no, I really enjoy it. And Ryan, thanks for coming on. It's really good to talk to you.

And I love your insight. It's rock and roll. man. Well, you guys opened the show with the song that you wanted to change, but I loved it, White Rabbit, so that's a reference by Jefferson Airplane to Alice in Wonderland. And we are through the looking glass, see what I did there. And we've gone through the wardrobe, another reference to Narnia. And so once thine eyes have been opened, and Ash has opened mine to a lot because of the hard work that she's done, and I appreciate her so much. But you can't unring that bell. Once we know what we know and more importantly, we know what they didn't want us to know,

then where do you go with that information? And how do you prosecute that case, quite literally, I might add, without getting canceled or like we talked about before, losing your livelihood, losing your job. I'm on the radio and I'll say this. I want this to get out there in my closing remark here. I have worked at I heart for seven and a half years now. They have never come to me on content and said, you cannot say this, you must say this. I've been left to my own devices for better or worse. And for whatever reason, I think I've been able to navigate that path. There are those kind of inhibitors that I mentioned earlier that I impose on myself, just because like Ash was so concerned about being in studio, am I going to get you in trouble? Well, no, you're not

going to get me in trouble. As long as people know that I am not responsible for the views expressed by guests on my program. I mean, just like today with John Case, he said some things that were highly controversial that I wasn't sure as to the veracity of them in real time, really hard to fact check when he throws something out there in real time. But I just let it go because I think the audience, I hope, and I assume that they're smart enough to figure out,

well, that might be bullshit. It might not be. But I'll do my own research. I always encourage listeners to do it. Don't take my word for it. You know, it's my opinion. you may disagree, but if you think I might be speaking in fact, then fact check me. Fact check me for yourselves.

And I welcome that. See, I welcome that scrutiny. And I think there are many very fragile egos, of course, in this business, be it radio or television, that they really care and are affected by what other people think of them. And where Ash has inspired me is I am so much closer to giving zero fucks than I've ever been. That it's really liberating. And then you just do the work. What a compliment. That's what I want the whole,

I want the whole world to have that experiment, that experience. And we, the chat is going off on whether or not to vote. And here's the thing. And I've said that since 2020. You have to vote. Because if you don't,

you're abandoning the battlefield. Don't be a pussy. Don't be a coward. We are not giving these communist fucks all of the all of the battlefields we're going to fight them and um the communist than we've ever been we don't don't believe the outcome of elections don't submit to the outcome of elections and if people decide that they can't vote because they don't want to participate in a system like this i'm not going to um i'm not going to shame anybody for that i don't have any

problem with that however i will ask you if you decide that you're not going to vote please still check because the decision of whether or not you vote that your decision to not vote is just as important as your decision whether you're going to vote and a lot of the times if you choose not to vote your vote gets it gets voted anyway yeah so the and the only the only way that that gets identified is when people check and um this past election we actually had kind of a push for that and maggie Bundy says, Ash, I'd like you to debate Chris Paul over this because it doesn't appear that he votes. See, that's, you're making an assumption there because I don't believe that Chris Paul has ever definitively said whether or not he does vote. And I know that because I've debate,

I have debated him several times. And he won't say that's his decision and his position and his alone, but he doesn't tell other people not to vote. He does say elections are fake because they are. And it's important that we say true things. Thank you, Ryan, for being here. here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. This is fine. Yes, a blast. And everybody, please hit the thumb, the like, the heart, whatever shape the like button is for you on the platform that you're watching. Please hit it for us because it helps us out quite a bit. We will be back here next week, Abby and I. And remember, everyone, change happens one conversation at a time. So be brave and speak the truth. We'll see you next time. As the expression goes, be careful what you wish for.

In my former life, I was an insider as much as anybody else. And I knew what it's like, and I still know what it's like to be an insider. It's not bad. Now I'm being punished for leaving the special club and revealing to you the terrible things that are going on having to do with our country. Because I used to be part of the club, I'm the only one that can fix it. I'm doing this for the people and for the movement, and we will take back this country for you, and we will make America great again. You know what they're trying to do?

They're trying to take us out. And it's not going to work. Not going to work. Not going to work. It's not going to work. We're just getting started. The drug cartels are waging war in America and we will destroy the cartels. You have no choice.

That's an army. And I'll use Title 42 to end the child trafficking crisis by returning all traffic children to their families in their home countries immediately. Never forget our enemies want to take away my freedom because I will never let them take away your freedom. I won't. They want to silence me because I will never let them. I will never let them silence you. And in the end, they are not after me. They're after you.

I'm just standing in their way. I always will. And I will fully protect and uphold our great and very important under siege Second Amendment. We will protect. We will protect innocent life and we will restore free speech. And I will secure our elections. We will secure our elections. We don't. We are a country in trouble.

Our goal will be one day voting with paper ballots and voter ID. Very simple. On day one, I will sign a new executive order to cut federal funding for any school, any school at all, pushing critical race theory, transgender, insanity, and other inappropriate racial, sexual, or political content onto the lives of our children. And I will not give one penny to any school that has a vaccine mandate or a mask mandate. When I was coming down the escalator with Melania, I was already under investigation. Because they saw how well I was doing in the polls. And it just got worse and worse. And we caught them.

We said they were spying in our campaign. It turned out to be true. They had the fake dossier. That turned out to be true. It was paid for by the Democrat Party. It was all fiction. All of these things. happened, impeachment hoax number one, impeachment hoax number six. I've been treated very

badly, and I've won every single time. When you say, do I sleep? I sleep. I sleep. Because I truly feel that in the end, we're going to win. I think we're going to win an election, the likes of which nobody's ever seen before. I don't think anything's going to stop it. Nothing's going to stop it. I want to thank the American people for the extraordinary honor of being elected your 47th president and your 45th president. And every citizen I will fight for you, for your family and your future. Every single day I will be fighting for you. With every breath in my body, I will not rest until we have delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous America that our children deserve and that you deserve, this will truly be the golden age of America. That's what we have to know.