Badlands Media - Culture of Change Ep. 149: Tina Peters Is Out and Democrats Are Losing It

Episode Date: June 2, 2026

She wanted a steak. She got one. After 606 days behind bars, Tina Peters is out, and the Colorado political machine is absolutely melting down about it. Ashe plays Tina's first interview with Steve Bannon and breaks it down with three of the people who know this case better than anyone: election analyst Seth Keshel, cybersecurity expert Clay Parikh, and Mesa County Report author Mark Cook. From Jenna Griswold's 600 exposed BIOS passwords to disabled database change tracking to a DOJ statement that may have spooked Jared Polis into acting, this is the most comprehensive breakdown of the Peters case you will find anywhere. And Tina's already talking about prison reform. Because of course she is.

The badlands, one of the badlands, explain those badlands. That's a hell of their name. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Culture of Change. It's a good day. Tina Peters is out of prison, and that's what we're going to talk about this evening. She gave an interview with Bannon this morning. It's 16 minutes long. We're going to go through it and hear what she has to say.

We'll pause it as we go, as we do, and share information. I also finally found that announcement of the weaponization of government investigation. So we'll talk about that a little bit. And we might have some surprise guest pop in. I saw some folks in the chat saying it's, oh, is Tina Peters going to show up? No. Tina Peters just got out of prison. And that takes time to deal with to assimilate.

She did the one interview. I am told that she is going to lay low for a couple of weeks. I hope to get her on the show as soon as she's ready. I know she was having a steak tonight, a steak and salad with real avocados and real tomatoes. She did say that on Bannon. I know she's seen her dog Minka, so that's great. I don't have confirmation on whether or not she has seen her mom or talk to her mom.

And I did ask that question, but I didn't get an answer back. But it's a good day. And, you know, we need to take the wins. There's so many things about this story that are crazy. And we're going to talk about all of them. And as I said, we might have some special guest drop-by. I invited a bunch of people to jump on and kind of, you know, celebrate this a little bit and share what they think is next. Some of them said that they would show up.

Some of them said they couldn't. So we'll see what happens. One with Cats, $20 Rumble Rant. We will watch later, as usual. Well, can't wait to hear Ash's thoughts analysis of the Tina Peter situation, but dinner with hubby awaits. Well, enjoy dinner with hubby. Say hi to hubby.

Met him in Cocoa Beach. And love you. Thank you so much for the support. Definitely appreciate it. All right. Before we get into all of the things, we're going with new sponsors. Well, one of them is an old sponsor that comes around every Father's Day. So you guys know what I'm talking about.

We have new sponsors and we have a new soft disclosure ad. And we're going to talk about GAR, but first up, we're going to talk about manly cans. What is that? This is a smoking hot manly can. We got the Craw Dad's classic three pepper gourmet hot sauce, the sweet and spicy pickles. Oh yeah, the ghost pepper peanuts. Go ahead. Have a handful. Ghost aren't even real, dude. Yeah, I love these cans. Kids got it for me for father's death. I'm just going to use your bathroom real quick. Yeah, dude. bathroom stuff, you know. Dude, you're all right?

Yeah, man. I'm great, man. Get another beer. All right, badlandsmedia. TV slash Manly cans, Father's Day is coming up. And speaking of Manly, I have a couple of awesome guests

that have already arrived. So we're going to hold on the ads until a little bit later because I know these guys have limited time. First up, we are going to say hi to Seth Keschel. Oh, wait, where are you? There you are.

Hi. What's going on, Ash? Good to see you. I'm celebrating. I'm celebrating because Tina Peters is out of prison and the Democrats are losing their mind about it. And it's fantastic. Oh, I was worried for a minute. You're going to tell me you're celebrating the beginning of Pride Month.

No. No, pride is a sin. No, I know. I'm messing with you. I can't even open my X feed today without seeing nothing. But, you know, major league baseball caps with rainbows on them and everything else. Yeah, that's no fun. That's no fun.

But I feel like it's going to die down a little bit. saw a but like the LGBT movement is rising which is like smack down the crazy so I'm a I'm pleased about that but I'm going to bring on our other guests that's here because I know both you guys have limited time um our good friend clay parique you're on mute clay how are you all right I was out running around uh we were talking Alabama politics at dinner so I saw your post on pretty pretty entertaining so We can't even get through the primaries without having issues. Yeah, well, that's how it goes with fake elections.

So speaking of fake elections, Tina Peters got out of prison today, did an interview with Bannon. And in her interview with Bannon, said, well, we know the Democrats are going to cheat. So I think it's safe to say that she is not gagged as a part of her conditions of parole. Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, any state where you've got nonstop universal mail-in voting, automatic voter registration, ballot harvesting, all the software systems that are used in our modern elections, there's no way anybody should trust that the incumbent party in power is going to just relinquish that without using all the tricks in the book. It's disgusting. Yeah, the election here is run by Jenna Griswold. Well, I mean, not really. Jenna Griswold is a puppet who doesn't know things,

but, you know, the story tells us that our elections are run by Jenna Griswold. Clay, what do you think? I'm in agreement with Seth because they're not going to turn over the power. And the sad thing is, is a lot of these front people, whether it's a county probate judge, like they are here in Alabama, where they have the association pretty much saying, hey, this is the way we're going to run things. They're just clueless. My main goal is to find out who's really pushing the narratives for who gets selected and picked. I mean, because it's a really good question because when we think about it, you know,

when the topic of election fraud usually in all shows are why we vote now. So, you know, that's what we're doing these days. But the narrative about elections for, you know, the masses focuses on the presidential, usually or maybe the governor's race or some other, you know, key battleground race. But I was doing this radio show. Gosh, it was probably a couple of months. ago now where the host couldn't believe that I was saying, oh, it was Peter Boyles here in Colorado, and he couldn't believe that I was saying, yeah, I think all elections are fake. And the reason that I

think that is because of the system. The system is designed to defraud. It's a black box and you can't check it, which means if we can't validate the outcome of the election is reflective of the will of the voters, then we don't have elections. And it's not just the executive races. It's the composition of the legislature, which is the people that make law. It is the county commissioners who have funding authority over things like election, you know, election vendor contracts and whatnot. It's the ballot measures that change our constitution and it's all the same system that it's running on. And so if we think that there's issues with the presidential election, we have to logically consider that the other less looked at races are also potentially manipulated. But it's

That, especially in the midterm election year, is a very unpopular position to hold. Well, I'll give you a great example on that one, Ash. Last summer, a Colorado group, or actually a couple of groups, came to me and hired me to do an analysis and write a white paper on the 2020 election. Now, this is after even the 24 election brought Trump back in. But the 2020 election was Biden plus 13 and a half in Colorado. it. So that was the official margin. Trump was four and a half off in 2016, big third party vote. 13 and a half was a bit steep and everybody knew that that margin was ridiculously high.

And when I peeled back, just going back to standard vote gains, I had Biden plus about six. Now, of course, we can differ all we want about the elections still aren't verifiable. But my model will get Biden down to about six. Well, I didn't know this until I was alerted to it last summer because there's so many elections on the ticket. But there was a referendum to reintroduce wolves back to the wild in Colorado. Now, 95% of the geographic landmass of Colorado is American frontier. Five percent of the landmass is unfortunately two-thirds of the population. So with the cheating and with the left-wing voters in Denver, they managed to get that referendum across by less than

two points. So if I reduce Biden's margin by even the seven points that I've got, reduce the reduce the two point margin on the wolves and it would fail by five. Which means wolves would live because half the freaking wolves are dead. The wolves are dying. So anyway, so what I'm saying is, you know, down ballot elections are illegitimate too because of the fraud impacting the top of the ticket. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Again, very unpopular, a popular decision to hold in a midterm election here. And that's the thing. And I just got through telling people at dinner that. You can't argue with math, right? And when you do the analysis and you look at the numbers, there's just certain things that just that can't happen. And it does. The down ticket ballot is it.

But I always go because, too, in the primaries, you've got all these state, like in this year, we've got a lot of state offices. We've got the state board of elections, which guess what? The Republican parties refuse to hear a candidate that's contested in it. She's got legitimate concerns and they don't even want to hear it. And that's the thing. And I just go back to it because once analysis is done and you look at the numbers and you do it, it just shows you wherever things at.

And I look, I think, Seth, this was something you did. God, a couple of years back, but where you went through the state and like, it shows for the state of Alabama, the one area that needs to be audited on the elections was Madison County, the county I live in. And I tried to bring it up. And of course, you know, the probate judge, especially because he runs the elections, thought it was crazy. But now all of a sudden, you know, my county has switched to where there's more blue, more democratics voting in my county than there are, you know, Republicans, which is, it's just, if you don't watch it where the hanky-panky is, eventually they just slowly turn to whatever

they want it to be. And that's just what amazes me that when people look at the numbers or look at an analysis, they just ignore the math and don't see it for what it is. Well, it was very obvious to me because in Huntsville, in Madison, in 2020, you've got Trump with a very sharp increase in votes. So when the man who always wins the county or wins the state has a larger than usual increase in votes, there's only so many other voters to go around that will float the other side's total so high. So, you know, this is one of the things like in Pennsylvania.

I wrote about this in my book. Westmoreland County, PA, you know, your county's got population growth and industry growth. Now, Westmoreland County PA is a West Virginia style vote where you have all these people that were blue dog dims. And then they became more Republican starting in the night. Oh. He froze, right, not us. I'm not the one. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. Oh, we lost him. Oh, maybe he'll come back. If you haven't gotten the book, I read the book of the American War on Election and Corruption, The Crusade to Restore Trust in Voting by Seth Kesheel. It's excellent. It's a quick read. It is not trying to convince us to go to war with another nation or to depose their leader. And it's not claiming that the source code of our elections is being held in a, in a, in a, icebox in Venezuela and that's where they decide that Colorado is going to get unfettered abortion. That's taxpayer funded added to our constitution. That's not what the book is about. The book is actually a examination of what's actually wrong with elections and it gets into how to solve it. And it's a great book.

Folks should get it. It's on Amazon. That's where I got it. Yeah. So, oh, there he is. Okay. Wait, he's back.

Maybe he's back. And that's what people have got to realize to, a lot of this is a lot of more than just machines or source code and it and it's a play on how to on how to actually switch the numbers and that's what i always love because i'm a metrics guy anyway from the security field right and um and that's what you base and you base a lot of things on and honestly that's how you have to you have to prove your paycheck when you're in the security field how many hacks did you stop what were these occurrences where they user errors where they belong to Java or Adobe right I mean there's just a whole thing and you and you track the numbers and you do the math and then it

gives you the likely trends and you and you know certain things and that's what's always impressed me what what people like Seth that that do do the math and analysis and look at the trends and once you can state things and you base everything off the logic right and what the data provides and so anyway. But yeah. So Depatriate in the chat says we don't need books. We need arrests and convictions. So

hang on a second. I know we need arrests and convictions. I don't think that Seth Keschel has the statutory authority to go out and start arresting people. Citizens arrest maybe, I think that would probably end poorly given where we are as an American society. But we do actually need books.

Because if we don't write them, if we don't write the history of what happened to us during this time, then the globalists will write it. The others will write it. There's a bunch of books out there that are encouraging us to believe things that aren't true and advocating for us to go to war with Venezuela. So I do think we actually need the books. I think that we need to write this. These are the books we're writing now are history books. Sorry, Clay, go ahead. And people have to and people have to say because that's the only thing that gives us a voice a lot of this stuff.

You know, but besides, you know, now, like, especially with Badlands, putting the shows out there where now you've got where the facts are talked about, but you've also got to have the books because the thing is, is if they control the narrative, they control the narrative. And the news is, they're going to say, the news will say whatever they're told to say, and there's nothing to counter with it. And as far as the arrest, You have to understand that I've been on the other side and I know how bad it is. And the corruption and the cover-ups and the things that you have to fight to go through.

Because once you start nail on one person, everybody's going to go down. And so you've got 50, you go after one person, you're going to have 50 things coming back at you, you know, and I don't, and they're going to do anything. And there's all kind of crazies out there. I mean, whether they hit, whether they physically threaten you, right, as they've done people. And they come after you. I know Seth and his family have had issues, right? And I think I've already where I found out even more of my neighbors have gotten letters. And so it's just the thing that you have deal with. Once something starts to come out, they're going to push their thing. And that was the funny thing in the letters that they sent my wife. They were talking about get with the narrative.

You know, don't do that. And so you've got to have books. You've got to have evidence to fight back. And the thing that I'll say is, I think cess books probably more solid on the election stuff and the approach it takes than some of the other books that you all said. I mean, I always have the other books on Badlands Book Clubs on Tuesday, 9 p.m. I only have the draft form of that. And what's bad is, is when a book with errors, even though it has a lot of truth to it, it doesn't help. No, it hurts, actually. Yeah, it is.

They'll use it to discredit the entire body just because there's an error in it. Yeah. And so like, I got asked to because, although they couldn't really remember a name. and about but I get asked about because they everybody you know knows Tina got out and and they were asking about it and I just said well frankly I'm I'm sort of frustrated because it took so long and in the in the way it is she should have been pardoned because the whole trial was a sham you know when I know she's still in attorneys involved and I know a lot of the group of attorneys and and I've been frustrated but then when you think about it do you go to war with the

state of Colorado yes and they're dead set and they're don't even finish don't even finish the answer but they were dead set I would guess protecting their story and their narrative and to make sure that they used her as an example and so it would have gotten extremely ugly to the fact that it would have went to the Supreme Court over who can let her out, right? No matter. It might still. So where it's at now is her sentence has been commuted. So she's on parole.

She's still a ward of the state. And if she violates the conditions of her parole, she can be put back in prison. We don't know what the conditions of her parole are that has not been released. I think it's either Tina will say it or maybe one of the conditions of the parole. Are they going to put her back in an ankle monitor? I don't know any of the conditions of parole. I haven't been told me. But here's the thing.

She is not, I think it's safe to say she's not gagged because in her first interview, only interview that she's done, she said, we know Democrats are going to cheat. And I think that if she was gagged on the matter of election integrity,

that that would have been a violation. Oh, Anita says she's on parole for three years. That's all that Apollo said. Yeah, I asked that team pretty specific. questions today and they're very good at dodging questions. Yeah. So I want to show you this. This is from March 3rd. Yeah, March 3rd of 2025.

So the Trump administration comes in January 20th of 2025. March 3rd of 2025. We get this statement of interest from the DOJ. So this is the Merrick Garland DOJ. However, they know their time is short, right? This is, oh, no, this would be the Trump DOJ. I think they were preparing this. In my head, this happened in 2024, but when I found it today, it was March 3rd, 2025.

So this is the brand new Trump DOJ. And it's my recollection that we did not have the, the U.S. attorney for the District of Colorado assigned yet. It was still the acting guy. and I think they made the acting guy, the guy, which is Peter McNeely. It's his name. He's the U.S. attorney now. But in here, I'm just going to read it. It's not very long.

This is, again, March 3rd, 2025. Tina Peters has sought relief in this action through an appellate filed application filed pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 2254. The United States respectfully submits the statement of interest pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 517. Ms. Peters is currently incarcerated while pursuing a direct appeal of her underlawful. underlying nonviolent convictions and combined nine-year sentence. The application explains that Ms. Peters suffers from serious health issues and that, while incarcerated, her physical and mental health have deteriorated. Reasonable concerns have been raised about various aspects of Ms. Peter's case.

These concerns relate to, among other things, the exceptionally lengthy sentence imposed relative to the conduct at issue, the First Amendment implications of the trial courts October 24 assertions relating to Ms. Peters and whether Colorado's denial of bail, appealing appeal was arbitrary or unreasonable under the Eighth and Fourteenth Amendments, such that 2254 relief is appropriately. Appropriate. Accordingly, the United States respectfully submits that the concerns raised in the application warrant, at the very least, prompt and careful consideration by this court and at the appropriate

time the Colorado appellate courts. Parallel to these proceedings and Ms. Peters' direct appeal, the Department of Justice is reviewing cases across the nation for abuses of the court. criminal justice process and then they sort the they cite the general memorandum this review will include an evaluation of the state of colorado's prosecution of miss peters and in particular whether the case was oriented more towards inflicting political pain than towards pursuing actual justice or legitimate governmental objectives that was march third of 2025 i personally now clay tell me i'm wrong because you have way more inside baseball on this kind of stuff than i do but i

personally think that this investigation that they announced they were doing in March of last year had something to do with Jared Polis's calculus and his timing on why he did this and when. What do you think? I think you're pretty spot on because I will tell you that I'm aware that they doJ. That is one of their things because this also would be considered weaponization. Again, I can't talk about a lot of things because I'm under a non-disclosure for the rest of my life pretty much. So there are other things that have been looked into where the state has fought and weaponized itself against other county officials as well. Yeah, in Colorado and around the nation.

Yeah, around the nation. And so that is a concern. And the government was looking at that. And that's what should have went all along because anybody and you saw more of the trial than I did. And I was an expert witness that had a gag order on them and could not want. I couldn't believe, you know, I still remember me and Sean Smith when he called me and he started complaining about it. and how he was driving back home. And then I said, well, I'm heading there.

We can't even talk, right? And so it was just crazy that the court was allowed to execute that trial the way they did and get away. That in itself should have had the federal government intervening. And again, I'm not an attorney like you. So I don't have. I'm not an attorney. Don't say that. You're going to get me in trouble.

I am not an attorney. I just pretend sometimes. play one in real life just pretend in court sometimes um no you can do you can you can actually just do things you don't you don't have you know and it's it's probably way better to get the law degree so that you know all the things because i was a bumbling idiot trying to figure out what was going on but it's not it's it's very involved and there's a lot of um there's a there's a lot to know but it's not hard in terms of the the logic and the reason of it the the concepts of it that part was was easy.

But I mean, like, someone was asking me a legal question the other day. I'm like, I'm not a lawyer. And they're like, yeah, but blah, blah, blah. It was like a tax thing or something. And I'm like, listen. In as much as I pretend to be a lawyer, it's on this very narrow issue of civil rights because that's the only part that I've read. But, but here's the one thing because you're like, it's just like in this case within

the county, they're looking to do it pro se. And I tell them, I said, you know, I can help me. I'm not an attorney. I point them to good attorneys, whether they have the time to do the case is one thing. But the thing that people have to understand is there's sort of got to be like you should start it, maybe a pro se site to where people who have been in court and actually want. So you can advise them because what people don't understand is you can represent yourself, but the court has to cut you leniency.

And what I will tell you is, is in some of the pro se cases I've been involved in, I've watched where the opposing attorneys start to use that legal mumbo-jumbo and warfare, and the judge plays along with it. And so you catch them off guard. I've sold this in Kansas. I've seen it in Pennsylvania. And to me, it's just criminal that the judges get away with it. And the very first thing is the court should be held accountable.

You should say, hey, no, you can't do this. You need to explain to the attorney and you cut them a husk. And it's sad. It's sad that that happens. You know, and I always try to advise people and actually point them towards, I know Ken Kahn's had a few people on his shows and stuff in the back. I try to point them and say, hey, find out who's won a case so they can help you advise it, you know. Yeah, and there's kind of two sides to that too, because the court, so there's a lot of pro se litigants.

And a lot of them really rely on that. leniency thing. Yeah. Right? It's like they don't learn the process. They don't look, you know, kind of scenario run through the different outcomes. And that's the thing is I can understand if you have a high volume of people that are just calling it in and expecting leniency, you're going to form as, you know, the court and the other side, you're going to form a negative opinion of that.

But then there is inside the courtroom, I think if the judge, I think this is probably the norm, right? If the judge sees that you have a pro se litigant that's put in the time, that's doing their best, that's, you know, trying to follow the rules and things. And then something happens, they're more likely to get that leniency. And that is all a matter of discretion. See, that's exactly what I'm talking about in the courtroom because there's always the things where there's that motion to dismiss and all the normal steps. So you do as pro se have to do all that hard work. You've got to be prepared. but it's once you're in the courtroom and believe me, I've sat there and I've seen the attorneys try this.

I'm like, they're not a lawyer. Why are they doing that? And I only know that because I've sat with plenty of attorneys, you know, in cases. And so it's it aggravates me because I think the judges should have been more lenient with it and tried to explain things because if you hit with something that you totally don't understand it in all your research, because, you know, hey, people are mothers, their father. they got a day job, but yet they're dealing with this legal case. And you can only study and do it so much. I'm sure you slept 12 to 14 hour days when your case was going on, right? Yeah.

You were probably reading them. I think I maybe slept maybe 14 hours a week. Yeah, yeah. And that's my point. A lot of people just don't realize what it takes. It's like some people think like that I'm crazy. that I said, have you read your state law? Have you read your state constitution?

Just because you have state law doesn't mean it's legitimate law, right? And, and, and illegitimate law stands as law unless people challenge it. Unless you take it to court and you say this is illegitimate, it's unconstitutional. You can't do this and you lay out your case and you win. It's going to stand. So you can't just bitch about the law being illegitimate and then think about it. And I just deal. I'm just dealing with one simple small portion of it and that's just the machines right you know and yet that's

that's what I do because you have to understand that it's just like and what I was helping somebody with today that dealt dealt with HABA and they don't understand they were reading HAVA but you don't you don't understand how HAVA was implemented and how much state law is involved with HAVA you can't make a you can't make a 100,000 foot statement across the, you know, the whole U.S. because each state is different. And it was a total transformation of U.S. elections born off the back of hanging chads and saying, listen, guys, we can't do this, you know, paper hole punch thing anymore because the hanging chads. So we need to give birth to a brand new industry, but it's not brand new.

They were all waiting, just waiting there to launch their their verticals. And we now have public-private elections that are above reproach and cannot be questioned. And if you do question them, then you're a threat to democracy. And it doesn't matter what the truth is. They'll just make up a bunch of lies about you. And that comes back to Tina Peters. The mainstream narrative about Tina Peters is that she meddled in elections. This is all the absolute freak out of Colorado Democrats.

Most of these people had a hand in putting her in prison. Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser, who has, has sued the Trump administration over 60 times, as I understand it, and he's using taxpayer money to do it. And then he's citing all of those lawsuits as campaign accomplishments each month when he lists his campaign accomplishments. He's running for governor. He said, Tina Peters may be free from prison, but she isn't free from the crimes she committed with tampering with her county's election equipment. No one tampered. She is a convicted felon, but I remain concerned about her conduct upon returning to Mesa County, given her a, lack of remorse for her crimes. She did show remorse for making a misrepresentation to the Secretary of State's office,

which is the thing that she was convicted of, Phil. It was the misrepresentation. It wasn't tampering. It wasn't touching machines. It wasn't any of that stuff. That's your narrative. And you're freaking out about it. I will continue to fight Tina Peters effort to overturn her conviction in courts.

The safety of our elections and the rule of law require it. Nowhere in your power. Here is the thing. because I basically was brought onto the case, not so much about the machines, but about the process and the procedures and what it's like in the IT world. Because again, I've supported major,

major organizations, right, both civil and defense and day-to-day stuff. You know, we talked about the email on Monday, right? I think on why we vote. You know what I'm saying? So I understand that stuff. And I read Colorado law. I read the Secretary of State's Rules or whatever that credit was.

Oh, the emergency rules, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And Tina did not violate any of that. And I was going to, my declaration stated to that, stated what my old company, Northrop Grumma did, what Amazon Web Services does, what Microsoft Azure cloud services does as well on a daily basis. And yet the judge denied that and said it was irrelevant when it was a jury trial.

Yeah. Right? Should not those young jury members have been able to get that perspective? No, he claimed it. And then the reason, and I'm getting fired up because I just keep thinking about it. Love it. But the side for the people, the corrupt Marxist, Colorado government were able to talk to that exact point in their closing arguments.

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. And put in the jury instructions. Yeah. They put her intent in the jury instructions, but she wasn't allowed to dispute. And I wrote and I had to write other things. And then of all things, they pulled me in for the bio stuff.

After I pretty much just went to court here to sit down because I was tired to look at the other side of the door, you know, for one of the most underrated ops. that we've been through is the fact that Jenna Griswold had six hundred this is this is where I have to say you know the writers of the movie are doing the Lord's work Jenna Griswold has 600 bios passwords on the internet exposed for two election events for the primary election and for early voting in the general election and while that exposure is active her staff Jenna Griswold's staff is out in Mesa county testifying about how much of an absolute threat to democracy it is that Tina Peters allowed some partial passwords that were no longer in use because they were post the the trusted bill that

that the partial the old partial passwords were somewhat exposed on a podcast. Jenner, at the exact same time, her staff is making that claim in court used to convict Tina Peters, not rightfully, but nonetheless, that that's there, she, she, she, she, She has the passwords exposed. And what happened? Did Jenna Griswold get her office rated? Did she get her house rated? Did she get dragged out?

Did anybody, said, did the person with the scratch paper who did that thing, any of these people get any sort of? No. No, actually. They hired a friendly law firm to come in and do a investigation and they found, oh, no harm, no foul. And it's my position. We talked about this on why we vote when we were on just last week with Sean. And this operation about the BIOS passwords is massive to me. And I don't know why more people aren't upset about it.

And it's not massive because of the irony, right, of Jenna Griswold exposing passwords with what while Tina Peters is being, you know, in a cruiser, is going through a crucible for that. It's massive because they were caught in a cover up. They were caught in a cover up. And then they said, oh, well, there was no breach. Well, okay, so how do you know there was no breach when over 600 device passwords were exposed? How do we know there's no breach?

Well, I, and they can't say, well, we checked because part of the narrative is that they can't check that kind of thing remotely, right? So if they were going to check, they'd actually have to go to the counties. And then on the other hand, you have the Deputy Secretary of State saying to the Adams County Clerk, well, we weren't going to tell the counties because it would become a media shitstorm. Well, if you're not going to go to the counties and check and do the analysis and the forensic work to see if there was a breach and you can't check for a breach remotely, then you can't say that there wasn't a breach, but they did. They did say that there wasn't a breach. They said that there was no breach and that everything was fine.

And we were in the middle of an election event. We were in the middle of the 2024 general election early voting when that breach. was discovered and the primary had already passed and the breach was active the whole time and or and the passwords were active the whole time so how clay how because you know these systems and you know networking and you know how this where how can they say how is it how is there no breach despite not looking not being able to check remotely and getting caught in the middle of a cover up how you know as you know i can't speak to this because i'm i haven't hacked the latest version of the voting system in Colorado.

Hence the warfare play, right? Because the minute, and they let me sit there, and that's what I thought, they let me set there the whole time via the Zoom link, watching everything like an expert witness is supposed to do. And they kept Sean Smith outside of the courtroom with the door shut like the way I was, you know, in Mesa County, in Tinas, you know, in Graemeanor. injunction courtroom. That was just, it was just so backwards. And then to say, it's that when the bot, one, the bios passwords have nothing to do with whether it's election system. This is normal

technology, servers, workstations, laptops. But if it is an election system, if it is an election system, do the BIOS passwords give you some sort of benefit? Oh, yes. You're a bad actor if you're a black hat. So, and here's the other thing. And Sean, he said this since day one because he has the knowledge of knowing about the foreign threat because of what he did in the Air Force. And so what people have to understand is, and I've given the example of in the VOTE system test labs, when we connected the one system because it had a firewall to the outside internet, they were coming in, bothering me when I was doing a different test, right, about how the firewall shut down. because within minutes, it's going to get inundated. And you telling me that the Secretary of State site has not been mapped and not access hasn't been probed, if you're stupid enough to put BIOS passwords in a spreadsheet, an unencrypted spreadsheet on a website hosting is by CITL also.

Yeah, yeah. And so do you think, do you think that their network? work security is good do you think the web servers are protected heck no and that's and that's the biggest joke because two and then them using two sets of passwords well that was Jenna that was that was the talking point that Jen so first and then she starts getting pressured and she's just like two two sets of passwords two sets of passwords two sets of passwords two sets of passwords just like I don't know what else to say because I don't know here's the things And I hate because sometimes I have to, you have to play dumber in court so people, so you don't mess the message up because this is bad.

It's a bad thing. But you understand people at like my level. And again, I'm not that great of a guy as far as hacking and stuff. My level or above, Bios passwords are irrelevant. You just don't, you just don't understand. I could, anyway. So, but the thing is to claim that there's two sets. If you've got the mouse password, all other sets are irrelevant.

There. Again, in every demo I've done, right, the password has been irrelevant. I access that in a Colorado image, I access that dominion system and get into the database without a password at all. And that's, and so, so to say that the other set of password, the set of password, the Second said is irrelevant. If I get the bios, I own you. She makes it sound like you've got nuclear keys, right?

Like you can't do anything if you only have the one. And that's wrong. Well, of course it's wrong. She's an idiot. She was told to say that. So here's the thing. And the other thing is, it's because even if you log in correctly with the bios password, it's not logged.

And I can, man, don't let me get down in the weeds. But what people, what you have to understand is that the bios passwords not there and you get into the best password, you do exactly what on my Rumble channel, you can watch me do it. I show you how to remove the password completely. The secure files that Microsoft Windows says secure, and they have in their latest image, they have defense shut up, but guess what? You just disabled the fender.

There's always a way around it. The only way you're going to beat this stuff is to get back to paper pen and having people count. And if you're just joining us and you don't know who Clay Parake is, first of all, shame on you. Second of all, he was featured in the Atlantic where they called him a bit player. And I was offended on your behalf for that. Clay, a trivial bit player that has been qualified as an expert witness on the matter of election systems and cybersecurity in courts all across the country has the only, you're the only guy I know. And this is, I've told the story before, look back when it happened, most notably.

But you're the guy that has actually had hands-on keyboards testing these systems. The election systems on behalf of the voter system testing labs. Now, before I met you, I had Sean, right? We love Sean. He's the best. I want to strangle him sometimes. But he's, you know, he's good people. And if you heard me say that, he's like, yeah, I'd want to string him too.

but but Sean did a test plans right for for critical infrastructure he evaluated and wrote test plans and so when the 2020 election happened that's where his head went was look at what these systems are and how they're testing him and what he found was wholly inadequate he knew that by December he testified before the Colorado legislature about it that was where I met Sean and that whole hearing was an absolute shit show but up until I met you I had this more more theoretical testing, you know, kind of domain. Like the knowledge I was getting from Sean was sound. I trust, you know, what Sean tells me about system. You should. Yeah, 100%. I do. There's no question about it.

But when the two of you came together, it was like the theory, like the strategy and the execution, the theory and then the application. And let's test it and see if it holds up. And guess what it does? It does hold up. The things that John's in a theory. was talking about you actually have personal first hand knowledge testing. And that's the thing.

Because two, because Sean cracks me up when he says he's not technical. And he may not have had hands on keyboard on a lot of things. But his technical knowledge is far superior than a lot of guys that I've worked with through the years. And I still, for people who don't know, I originally, I know people first realized because I was out in federal court in Arizona before anything. but I got involved because of an Alabama case. And it was because I came from the voting system test labs and I knew the systems and I attacked these systems that I knew. One of those labs is in Alabama, isn't it?

Provea. Yeah. Yeah. See, at the time you had two because you had Wiley Labs, which had then transitioned to NTS Labs and you had ProV and V&V. And I take, man, if you only know where ProVNV is located, it is in. It is in prime industrial research part where you've got to be Locking Martin, Raytheon, and a lot of big corporations. Doesn't that mean that our elections are secure then, Clay? Well, the thing is, is how if your lab only tests voting systems, how do you afford to pay rent and lease a building building within research park?

for Alabama. I'm just telling you. Why is testing a voting? Sean not only knows the technical, he followed the money. And he opened my eye. But remember, I remember Jack Cobb working at Wiley, him leaving and going to start this other lab. And I knew, I knew who was involved, who was backing him at first.

And it did make logical business sense to me. But then after talking with Sean and how he reached. the money in the background and he even came to Huntsville. This is how thorough Sean is. Right. It opened my eyes. And remember, this is a place where I was involved with over a nine-year time span. Through that and was in ProVVNV for a couple of years, doing a couple of jobs for them.

Right. And I only quit because it was just stupid rubber stamping and everything. And so anyway, and I'm sorry we got off on that. But here's the thing with Sean is, and that I like, Alabama case, when he came off, he had his camera muted because he was supposed to make sure I was legit because nobody knew who I was. And I knew he asked me a question and I answered it. And next thing I know he's there because he was on his treadmill working out and he's smiling because I knew. I said, yep, this guy knows I'm legitimate.

Because everything he was saying, I said, God, this guy really knows election systems. And everything I answered and I confirmed it. And he knew everything that he thought to be true was true. And so do not doubt him when he talks about election equipment in his testing. And two, because we talk about stuff on the missile defense side and all that because we've worked in that same area. And believe me, Sean knows, he knows his stuff. And he really knows system testing and he knows security risk. And so anyway, and so for the people,

that call us hack jobs and don't know what we're talking about because I am I'm that bit trivial player security guy from Alabama who the Air Force had conducted a forensic investigation right and who also helped a three letter agency with a NASA investigation you so you know and those are just to hopefully you're picking up that I don't care what the Colorado court says you know are the Atlantic. Until somebody corrects me technically, they can all kiss it to be polite. Yeah. All right. We're going to take a very quick break

and we're going to we're going to talk about our new sponsor. If I can get my act together here. And actually it's a new sponsor, but it's not a new product for me. I actually like I like these guys. Are you tired of nicotine patches that are drier than your ex's texts. Meet Alp, the moist flavor bomb pouches that actually deliver while the other guys

tastes like grandma's dusty tea bag. This is not an ad written for a woman to read. Alp hits you with bold flavors and 20 pouches for 10. That's five extra hits of satisfaction. Three milligram for chill mode up to 12 milligrams. I just saw for the, I just saw the group chat energy because your lip just. deserves better than a desert. Grab yours at badlandsmedia.

Dot TV slash Alp Alp. Badlandsmedia. Dot TV slash Alp. Use code Alp save 10 for 10% off. And finally, have a better time. That's badlandsmedia. com slash alp.

Now it says code badlands. So try code badlands. Because I think that's the one that will work. I tried these back with, this was like the Tucker Carlton company. And I tried them. My only complaint was how long, the shipping was and this is like right when they were first a new company so it's probably better now

but they are so much better than anything that you can buy at the store um there's no like horrifying burning um the sweet nectar is the flavor that i would go with if you guys are interested badlandsmedia.tv. tv slash alp code badlands enjoy and then uh we'll we'll be right back after we hear from ghost a long long time ago The writer went into a dangerous cave. Because he was on an adventure. Or like he smelled like an adventure. But the cave was protected by spiders and lizards.

No, it was snakes. Snakes, what? Whatever it was, the writer wasn't scared of it because it was ghost. The lotion raider. Then he found the golden. The old were. Ghost had exactly one second to switch it. Or the whole cave existed.

Every house visit soft disclosure dot Inpherson. Okay. So I was told in the chat that the lotion Raider code is not working. I have checked and I am told that it now is working. So if you were having that problem, try again, please. But yeah, I'm hopeful that there is going to be a sequel to that ad that has a whole other plot. But we love our soft disclosure.

at softdisclosure.com promo code lotion raider and you can get the tallow bars, the lotion, the deodorant, the beard oil, all of the lip balm, the mini tallow, absolutely amazing products. We love them and you will love them too if you haven't tried them. And we love turning our Badlands hosts into caricatures. I think that Zach,

Zach is the 80s icon hero. Moisturize your elbows. guy is still my favorite. But see what we do with this new ghost character we have. Yeah. I just love the bad land commercials the way they are. I tell you, they should a lot better than the way the Super Bowl is going, you know. But anyway. Well, we're definitely not woke.

Yeah. Our ads are probably the pendulum swung a little bit further to the, a little bit far to the other side. All right. So back to the reaction. Jason Crow. He's the congressman of congressional district six here in the state of Colorado. You guys may remember him as one of the members of the seditious six who told military members not to follow their orders if they believed orders to be unlawful and made a whole big stink about that. He's never in his district.

Like he doesn't even have to run. You know, it's like so blue that they'll just always be. pick him. And so when it's time to campaign for House District sick, he's usually in someone else's state campaigning for someone else because he's just so safe, which tells you a lot about Colorado. He says, Tina Peters is a felon. She propped up Trump's big lie, was convicted by a jury of Coloradans, and has shown no remorse for her crimes. She should not be walking free. Now, First of all, it's almost like they don't think clemency powers should exist, but you know the second these assholes get power,

they're going to start letting all the petos out and giving them pardons. And so that's disingenuous. The big lie is the big lie. The idea that questioning the outcome of an election is the big lie. The idea that President Trump assertions, his assertions about our elections are baseless or fabricated is a big lie. The idea that elections are safe and secure gold standard that they can't be penetrated is a big lie. That's the big lie. That's the, and boy, did that November 3rd was the coup, January 6th was the cover up of the coup and the January 6th committee was the cover up of the

cover up. And I think there needs to be accountability for all of it. One more and then I'll get your take. Michael Bennett, who is also running for governor. So he's, so the, The first guy we looked at, Phil Weiser, a guy that sued, you know, current attorney general, sued President Trump over 60 times, counts at his campaign accomplishment, says, ah, not on my watch. He's running against Michael Bennett, current senator from Colorado. He's the dopiest member of the Senate, in my opinion. His voice just screams dopey. If anyone had doubts about whether Tina Peters learned anything from her imprisonment, she answered that question within hours of her release, she cannot get a cent from Trump's slush fund.

As governor, I will tax any payouts at 100%. No taxpayer money for Tina Peters ever. And so they're talking about this weaponization fund. J.D. Vance came out and said Tina Peters is a prime candidate to receive relief under the weaponization fund. As I read this reaction, it seems to me that they are outing themselves and doubling down on the weaponization of government. It's like we weaponize the government against her and you can't undo that.

If you try, we're going to penalize you in every way that we can if you elect us. To which Colorado should say, whole no, right? Like we're not going to, we're not going to elect you if you're going to be this petty. Like you're Tom Petty right now.

You're so freaking petty. And they don't care. This issue, it's Trump. Tina Peters is like Trump's arrangement. People have. have emotional, visceral, reactive responses without thinking through how their response on this undermines their entire worldview of what dealing with principles. Yeah.

I just to look at this stupid, I just don't know where to go with these idiots that are supposedly elected officials, right? But so here's the thing. So we go back to Clay being vetted. Next thing I know all these attorneys wanted my contact information outside this case. And I'm only bringing this up because Sean was there. Jeff O'Donnell was there to make sure to get hit me with technical questions. Because attorneys, you know, make sure that Clay's legitimate.

And and then once they were on, then I was getting bombarded with it. everything, Michigan reports, the Colorado reports. In Colorado, two, report two and three. And I get to review them. And I was honest with attorneys. I said, I wouldn't have phrased it this way, especially on some things as a forensics report, as I've written forensics reports for the federal government. I know what can be in them and what can't be. And so, and the best way to phrase them, especially when you deal with legal. And so I'm looking at all this stuff. Now, again, remember, I've read nearly every technical data package that's ever went through a VSTL from 2008 to 2000 in mid-2017, right, or late 2017. And so I've also tested the systems.

And so I read reports and I say they're legit. Jeff O'Donnell and Walter Dohery, Dr. D asked me questions about the duplicated where I saw the. And that's Mesa Report 3, right? Yes. And I said, yes, you can't have the database duplicated. But again, because the forensics I know, you have to see this, this, and this from the apps. That did not occur. This is not a malfunction.

Then the selective things. So all that points to me is, is something malicious went on here. Yeah. There's not enough log data because the way the systems are built. And so all this, but did anybody ever challenge those reports as technically inaccurate? No, they called them election denier. Election denier reports. And on Mesa, I think it was Mesa 3 was the one that alleged a crime.

And it was actually delivered to the DA's office. And that's the one where they claimed that they investigated. And they had the time drift theory, remember? And they had, it was Struey. and James Cannon, I want to say, did the investigation. Then they did this big presentation and anything they couldn't explain. They just were like, oh, it's not that big of a deal. Obviously, I'm paraphrasing.

We have one more special guest joining us. And I'm going to bring him in because he can add to this conversation. He's a lead forensic investigator on Tina Peters case. And he was a contributor to the Mesa reports, author of, I think, at least the first one, a peer reviewer and contributor in the others. He'll correct me if I'm getting it wrong. And I might be. Mark Cook, what's up?

Howdy. Of course I'll correct you. Yeah, one and two. Good to see you both. I'm driving right now. Sorry, I'm with the glare. Let me try this without the light.

Is that, no, that's not better. That's not better. You look better, whatever you have to do to drive. Shut, hey, hey, Clay,

I got that. I'm going to slap you silly, buddy. All right. How's it going? Two of my favorite people on here. Good to see you guys. We're celebrating in all. So, we're ranting a little bit because it's what we're doing.

Fair enough. But yeah. Mason Report 1 and 2. Yeah. So I did the work along with Doug Gould. So I did the work in, let's see here. He did report one's work while I was doing report two. Uh-oh.

Two's work. And then we swapped. And then he did two and I did one. And then we co-authored the reports together after both of us had duplicate each other's work. Excellent. And can you tell Mark, can you, can you share what, what was in Mesa 1, 2, and 3? What were the findings?

Sure. Yeah. So Mesa 1, what we wanted to show is what actually happened between the before and the after image, because what Tina was told was they were just going to return off the QR code feature in the software. And so we wanted to see if that was actually true. And it turns out, of course, it wasn't true. They actually had a new partitioning scheme on the new image.

So it's the way that the hard drive is organized, essentially, was totally different. And everything was reformatted and a whole new voting system was put on top of the old voting system, overriding all the log files and not just the log files that are in the Dominion backup, but all of the hundreds and hundreds of other log files that also exist in the system that no one seems to ever talk about, but that are very important. and all of these extra databases as well. So all the information that would be necessary to really forensically investigate the system to see one if something went wrong with it or if there was something intentional that happened to it,

either of those cases could not have been examined without that evidence that Tina preserved in the before image. And the after image, it wiped it all. Yeah, pot, because that's really important. It's important. So the narrative that we're given. And Matt Crane, who runs the Colorado County Clerks Association out here, and the entirety of the elections industry has kind of gotten on this message of,

we retained all the files we needed to. And anything that was deleted, that's not required to be retained. And we don't need that stuff. These 29,000 log files are deleted, and again, and Nash, I'm sorry,

I got to cut you off. Go ahead. What is that full? qualifications from a technical perspective. He's a lobbyist and a former clerk. And so it's just like hiring a law firm hiring a law firm to do an investigation and check to make sure the boss passwords were also the poster boy for global. Yeah. But here's the thing. Mark brought up Mark brought up two important points, right? He brought up about he's not blinking. Yeah, he brought of about the operating system logs, and there's three basic categories of these.

And so what I will tell you is, is from the certification perspective, those logs are required. And if you've read the technical data packages, whether it's ESNS or Dominion or HardinnerC, they rely on the operating system's functionality and a lot of its components. So you have to maintain those logs. Now, the second point he brought up is because they erased it all. And I'm going to make the point on this, what little evidence they would because from a configuration management standpoint, these systems don't log enough information. They're not set to monitor a lot of the standard operating systems that any other business or technology company would do. Your grocery store probably logs more stuff on their systems.

And that's just the point. And those two things are by them doing their golden image and why. they destroyed evidence. Those were system of records that should have been maintained. And the another thing that is in the logs just that also is not maintained is this. And a lot of people have actually no one I've heard mentioned this. The databases themselves that actually store all the information about what's on the ballots, the configuration, the encryption keys, and all the votes, everything.

Those databases have what's called a change track. tracking disabled. So even though they could turn that feature on that would track every change made inside those databases to anything in the database, that whole functionality is disabled within the system. And I don't think anyone else has actually talked about it. I actually demonstrated that recently to an attorney general that are a candidate for attorney general that was very interested in that specific fact. But yeah. Yeah.

And yeah, not, it's good to specifically call it out, but those are one of those things that I lump into the still, the system, the system configuration of log and mark. Because here's like, and all the database guys that I've talked to and explained, because when they at, you know, once they find out I do the election stuff, they would ask that exact same question. And I said, you don't understand the database that, that maintains all the election. data is not configured to be auditable like any other database you use, no matter what your business is.

Everything that database people would assume is correct. If you looked at a voting system, you would just be shocked. You would, I don't care which way politically you lean. If you were a true professional, you're going to say, this database is wrong. And there's so much bad that can happen. And again, to me, though, that's overall configuration. management. Again, it's like using the operating system password to access the database, right? That's just totally wrong. You never do. Besides the other 2,000 things we can spend on that

time. Well, hang on a second. What if you use the same username, EMS admin, and you share the password and actually put it in GitHub? Is that more secure? That might not be too good. So now we're going to, so now we're going to back to the HHS, right? They're going to bring up old shit. Sorry. Yeah. They didn't even try, even the standard best practices for setting up, you know, freaking, you know, network for a doctor's office or even like a veterinary clinic.

They didn't follow any of these standards. So I've shown other IT people the same thing. And their jaw hits the table when they see how bad this system is. I mean, open firewall ports from any IP address directly to the database, directly to the built-in web server that's running it on port 80. It goes on and on and on. These people did not ever intend these to be secure. That's the takeaway. They did not intend them to be secure.

And the testing labs do not test to see if they are secure. In fact, I'm sure as one of the testers can tell you, he's not even allowed to check a whole lot of. things. These are... I hate it when people get, like, cut off. They're allowed to check a few things. And that's it, because the name of the game... Sorry.

Of course, driving. So... Yeah, so it's... You're on fire, on passion, on a soap opera. Yeah, they don't even try with this. All right. All right. Well, I want to shift now and play Tina's interview.

I don't know how much time you guys have. You're welcome to stay with me and watch through it. I'm probably going to pause it a little bit, but in the interest of time, she's given one interview. She went on right after getting out with her, you know, good friend and team member, Apollo who I've talked to Apollo quite a bit today. I asked him to come on. He said he wasn't sure. They're exhausted. So this plan of, you know, trying to get her out and get her out in a safe way and not have it be a media circus and all of that has been, you know, a long time, a lot of preparation and things. And they're all exhausted.

So I think we'll see more coming out of the team. Again, Tina Peters is probably going to lay low. At least that's what I'm being told is that she's going to lay low for a while. But they did this one interview this morning with Steve Bannon. And we're going to play it and we're going to talk about it. Woman. You know, Steve, I'm not even sure yet. After 606 days in prison, it's been quite the ordeal.

But, you know, I really want to thank God for his face. faithfulness and getting me through it. And, you know, it's been, I think probably for me, Steve, to impress upon every person out there how hard it is to lose your liberty, how easy it is to lose your liberty, but how hard it is to endure it. And, you know, and I'm so grateful to the supporters out there that have stood with me, you know, my close circle, you know, Marcy, my best friend, who I called every day. You know, after they kept putting me in the hole, she made me promise to call her in the morning and at night every day. So people that wanted to get me a message could always reach her.

And of course, with Apollo and Jared and Barbara and, you know, the other ones that had stood by me. and especially my attorneys, you know, John Case has visited me almost every week while I was in prison. And then the financial support. And just quickly, John Case will be on Ryan Chuling Live with Ryan and I tomorrow morning at 805, I believe, is when he's coming on. So if you want to hear that interview, that link to that is on my link tree, linktree.com slash Ashman. Is that central time, may I ask? It is. No, thank you very much.

It is mountain time, which nobody observes. So 10.30 Eastern time. 10.05 Eastern time. 8.5, I said, right? Yeah, that's right. But the link to watch the show is on my link tree. Okay. Or, you know, I still have fight to go.

I still, you know, even though Governor Polis reduced my sentence from nine years to four and a half years, I still have a fight to clear my name. and bring out the truth of why they came after me the way they did. So it's still a long road. I'm going to spend the next few weeks regaining my health and just being with loved ones and family. And it's a miracle. It really is for Jared Polis.

He pardoned 35 people and he gave clemency to nine. And I was one of the nine. And, you know, you see the horrible media and the haters that go after, that don't go after, you know, murders and people like that that, you know, he chose to pardon, but they go after, they go after me. So there is a concern there for my well-being. and my safety. But, you know, I'm just very, very grateful, very grateful to all of you.

Thank you, Steve, for standing through with me through all of this. And, you know, I just can't thank you enough. And of course, Tina, Tina, what we did was so easy. It was you that had to endure this. Tell people, let's just get an update on your health. I mean, two things, and Apollo and your attorneys. And Marcy did such a great job at Keepa. people in the loop and making sure that we could we could have the information to do shows about

you but tell people first off the two things we had most concern about besides how the injustice of it in your cause was your health and your security tell us first tell the audience about your health where really tell us where do we really stand with that well i've you know i've developed a few things from being in prison um one of the things is you know i've had some uh digestive issues some acid reflux, some, you know, things like that where, but if you can imagine the food there is, you know, people ask me, they say, what, what do you want to do when you get out? And I said, I want a nice big, thick steak and a nice green salad with avocado, tomatoes, cucumber. You know, I hadn't had a tomato for almost two years. You know, I'm just four months shy of being incarcerated

for two years. And so things like that that people will take for granted. You know, Marcy went and bought me a sonicure toothbrush. You know, I've been using a toothbrush about that long for all this time. And, you know, the food in prison is horrible. I mean, it has sugar and salt. So a lot of people become sick. You know, my A1C, diabetes,

and my family, but I've always managed it well with my diet, and that has, you know, deteriorated that way with my blood sugar. Everything's either salt or sugar. You don't really have, you know, the proper nutrition that you need. So I'm going to be getting checked out by doctors, and I've got a lot of growth that came on my skin that in places where the sun don't shine. Yeah, right. And so I need to have that checked out. The water, you know, there was concerns about the water. There was a dog program at the prison, which is now closed down.

But they even, because there was so much lead in the water, they even gave the water. the dogs filtered water, purified water. So there's things like that. I feel like I've aged, you know, about 10 years is the way I feel. So I just need to take some time, regain my health, get back to the way I have always taken care of myself in the past and then, you know, get back and get to work again. What was, tell me about the security. We were very concerned.

Obviously, we did the special of the 500 days in prison people. We did all the specials around the time that you were attacked. People were so concerned about the security. Then when Governor Polis did step up and do kind of that profile and courage to, to reduce your sentence, people were very concerned about what was going to happen in security then. Tell us about the security and the prison and what it was like. well you you all have probably been more aware of the threats against me and the rhetoric than i even have because i'm not able to get on the internet i haven't been i had to have marcy just i mean i just

got out so i had to have marcy actually show me how to use my phone show me how to get on the internet because it has been so long but um you know in the prison I'll just tell you, I was amongst, even at the end, I was in with women who had done horrendous crimes, you know, murder. Actually, in my, in my day hall and my cell and, you know, that had exit dates of 2050, you know, and things like that. And the problem with LaVista, or the problem with Colorado, actually, Steve, is that there are no minimum security prisons.

And so LeVista used to be a minimum security prison, but the incarceration rate in Colorado is so high that and there's only two women's prisons that they did what they call overrides to put closed custody violent criminals in with me at the facility. So one of the people that was in her unit when I visited her was in there for dismembering a body. You know, Tina Peters lied to Jenna Griswold's office.

Oh, I was able to. I'm pretty good with people. And, you know, I think a lot of the women resonated with me because I, you know, I am kind. I, you know, I do care about them. There's a lot of women that should not be in there. There's a lot of women. There's, there's supposed to be programs that they can learn new skills and, and have a better life when they get out and there are not. I took a class that because of the shortage of staff, they used the teachers to actually act as correctional officers. So that means there's less class time. That means it pushes out a class for someone else to take it. And there just

aren't classes. The other thing, and I think I've mentioned it before, and I'll get into more of this another time, but is the drug problem in the prisons. And I'm not talking about the street drugs. I'm talking about the legal drugs. It's called Suboxin. And they put these women on these, on these drugs, and then they keep increasing the dosages, especially before they leave. And they can't get off. I talked to one woman the other day, and I said, you know, you really need to get off of this. She says, I want to get off of it so bad, but they won't let me. She said, they tell me that I can either just cold turkey or they want titular. They want titular. them down. And I believe it's probably a federal program. I'm going to be checking into that

because if that's the case, I would like for President Trump, I'd like to be more involved in prison reform to give these women and men a better life. You know, it's, I understand if someone's committed a crime, they need to do the crime at the time, you know, as it's. said, but there's no way to rehabilitate them with the way that the prisons are run currently. And so I would like to be part of that. And I would just say that I have spoken to Tina Peters four times on the phone and I have visited her once. And every single time she has talked about this issue, the issue of the conditions inside

of the prison. And the same radio guy that I was talking about earlier, Clay, I had a different conversation with him about black mold and the prisons. And his response was very like just flippantly like, but it's prison. But like you're in prison. So like what you expect to like, you know, breathe air that's free of black mold. Well, yeah, actually. I think it's, I think that just because you're incarcerated for some crime that you did doesn't mean that that means that you lose all your human rights and that the state can do whatever they want to you.

The Suboxin issue, she's raised to me before, that they, that it's actually, so the theory, and I don't, I haven't validated this, but the theory that is behind this is that you, you get them kind of on a baseline while they're in, but then while when they're going to be released, you titrate them up. And then when they get out, they don't have access to the Suboxone anymore. And so they end up back on the heroin. And then they end up back in the prison. And I don't know.

I haven't evaluated the issue. But this is the third time I've heard Tina Peters mention it. It's something that she's passionate about. I think that's what. It deals with big pharma. Yeah. You know? And for profit prisons and that whole ecosystem, right?

So yeah. All right. Interest of time. We're going to keep on. If that's the way the Lord leads me as well as, election reform. We'll get into that. I know you want to spend more time on that later.

I don't want to keep you too long. But I have to ask you know, we do Memorial Day specials, and you're just not an average citizen. You're a gold star mother. What was it like on the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence of the birth of our nation, having been a gold star mother and your son giving his life and service to his country? What was it like being in a maximum security prison? during this past Memorial Day now?

Well, this one was a little different than the last one because this one I learned that I was granted clemency. And so I was able to have more joy, but I still did not believe it until actually a day or so before because I'd been promised so many times. You'll be out in two weeks, two weeks, two weeks. Even my crew have done a song called Two Weeks because, and they'll have to share it with you. But, you know, because you get your.

I asked for it and it has not been sent yet. So we can't play the two weeks song, but I did ask for it. Hope built up and then you're dashed. And this has been going on for, you know, just shy of two years. And so I really didn't believe it, but I've always had hope. God's always given me the hope. and the strength to endure. Seeing our country at 250 years gives me hope with the people standing up.

My concern is, and as I watch this happening and everyone celebrating, is that I see these elections that are taking place in real time. You know, the Mondami's, the, you know, the Virginia governor, Spanberger and, you know, and then what's going on in California and Texas and Maine, you know, just all over the country. And I know that I know that the Democrats are going to cheat. And no one's really addressing the problem that the basic, that I spent my time in prison as retribution for. and that was exposing the election machines that allow the votes to be flipped. So that's the thing that I really, as we're coming up to our 250 year anniversary, I'm joyful that we still have our liberty, but at the same time, I'm very concerned and

burdened with why no one is talking about this. And I've written President Trump. I've written two letters since I was in prison. And I'm very grateful for everyone that wrote to me. But I wrote two letters while I was there. And they both were to our great President Trump. And I want to tell him thank you for the efforts he put in to draw attention also to, you know, my situation. But coming up on, I'm happy I'm going to be out on July 4th.

I'm very happy about that. So I'll be able to celebrate with all of you to just enjoy and be part of the celebration of our nation, our great nation. There's none like us in the world. Tina, it's great to have you out. This is an answered prayer for so many people. We're going to obviously follow this very closely. Apollo, where do people go because now more than ever? Tina's still got a long fight.

She's on probation. the legal team, which is second to none, is still got lots of fights about clearing her name and also pushing forward her cause. So where do people go if they want to support Tina? Well, just she's on parole. So I just want everyone to understand. She's still technically a word of the state

and an injustice in and of itself. But for three years, yes. But the place to be is tida peters. dot us you will find what you mentioned the Mesa reports we've passed out clips one of them I play on her show regularly of Democrats talking about the voting machines years ago before 20 20 20 this happened and you can watch selection code there you can find the links to donate to her legal defense or to support her personally just to help her get back on her feet because this is going to be a large transition and she's been you know out of commission for you know over

600 days now. And she's going to need some time to heal, like she said. So tina peters.us, everyone, you just direct them there. And you'll find all the links to follow her on socials and to see her show when she's able to finally do them again. So just thank you again to all of you. And we're truly, truly blessed. Really, really, really, really blessed. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much. You all were the wind beneath my wings. And and that gave me the hope to endure. And I'm very grateful. And I'll just say one more thing too,

because I know some of you may have noticed, but this entire time you asked her question about her health, Steve. Other than that, she's hardly spoken about herself. She spoke about the other women who were in prison and about the American people and our voice through our election systems and a number of other issues. So the first day out, it's hours now.

And she's still talking about other people because that's who Tina is. And I just, I want everyone really to, understand truly who Tina Peters is just in this this interview, this short few minutes that you just spent with her that encapsulates who she is so well that hours after she has been now released on parole. And her first thought is truly other people. That's the power of Tina. Please go to her website to Peter 5. U.S. and thank you. That's why she's loved and revered. Okay, I'm going to pull it down just in the interest of time. So I just have to say that's my experience as well.

So I tried to visit. I had spoken to Tina Peters in 2024 right before my trial. She reached out to me to see if I was okay and if we needed anything for our trial. Her trial was two weeks after mine. But she reached out and I had spoken to her on the phone, but I hadn't seen her since 2023. And I've been trying, right? And I kept getting denied and like having to jump through hoops with the prison system.

And then I got on her phone list, but it was like another month until I was actually able to talk to her. And when I finally got on the phone with her, and I think I wrote about this in the article that I wrote afterwards, the first thing that she talked about was prison reform and how there was a case that had revealed that a law the legislature passed had actually prevented them from making slavery illegal. And so there's this change that's happening. And it's like her her mindset. The state's benefit harm theory of the case is that she's this like horrible narcissist that just wanted to be the hero and wanted to be on the stage and wanted all of the fame. And, you know, Mark, you and I have talked about are what we witnessed in opposition to that theory that's been forwarded. But it's not, it's not my experience.

My experience is that she's always trying to change the world. like she she really does have kind of like an other focused orientation at least in my experiences with her and I think what we just heard from Apollo there was spot on. She's on this prison reform thing. She's still on election integrity.

She's still focused on it. You heard her say Democrats are going to cheat. I would say respectfully Tina, there are no Democrats and Republicans. It's a uniparty and they're all going to cheat. But her focus is on all right, what are we doing now? Now, right? And that's kind of crazy and beautiful. We have one minute left. We can maybe go one minute over, but you guys, I'll let you guys give final thoughts. Mark, go first. Yeah, I'll just say that that is the type of person, Tina is. She's always been in it to help the citizens.

And she's just a wonderful, honest person. And everything they lied about her is absolutely completely discussing. It's not who she is. So I'm excited for everyone to figure out who the real Tina is, which they will hear in the next weeks. Agreed. Thanks so much, Mark, for dropping in. Appreciate you. You're always on the go, but I hear that you might be in Colorado soon. So if you are, we're going to have lunch. You know, things can happen.

Things can happen. And I'm so happy to see Clay too. Clay, love you, man. Can't wait to see you whenever that is, too. All right, Mr. Parake, your final thoughts. Real Clay tonight. We got the real clay, not the fake one. the trivial guy right now it's true that's that was the hardest part of the trial in watching things

and especially during the sentencing was to see how vulgar and cruel they were to one of the nicest most caring women on the face of this earth and i mean she she is that way and and the thing is now I can only imagine how they're trying to protect her because of all the lunatics. Because I can tell you prior to the trial and everything, she was not living a lot of comfort. She was having to be protected because for those people that got up in the court that were talking about county officials being threatened and all this other, that's such a bull malarkey.

It's the same stuff that went on in Arizona. It's, hey, what about the people who, who get threatened, who get calls, who get stuff sent to their to their house, telling their wives to tell you to shut up or else they'll be in your house and then sending stuff to your neighbors. The stuff goes on, but the media always plays it and they play that narrative. And it's just, it's such a total lie against Tina because she is. And she, the worst thing is, she did nothing wrong, nothing wrong.

and even the charges they got her on were bogus. Well, I mean, she did the thing, right? Like here, I have to correct it because I think that saying she did nothing wrong when there's a provable thing that she did wrong that was stipulated to at trial, I actually think that hurts her. And so every time I hear that, I will point out. So what was the stipulated thing? That Conan Hayes was Jerry Wood.

The misrepresentation of the credentials, the misrepresentation of Conan Hayes as Jerry Wood. Conan Hayes pretending to be Jerry Wood. It's not that Conan Hayes was there. It's not that Conan Hayes took images. It's that to Danny Casillas, Jesse Romero, and whoever the other one was. Have you ever worked in a secure area? Yeah.

And so are you aware that you can bring people in that people aren't to know their identity? No, you can't when there's an emergency rule that's been handed down that says only an employee can be in the office, which is the inception of the credential scheme. Oh, the emergency rules that that violated their own other rules and their laws?

No, no, no. You can make the argument that the rule was stupid, Clay. I get that. I totally understand that. I think the rule was stupid. I think these people were drunk on power and they were creating all kinds of rules. But the reality is that Conan Hayes pretended to be Jerry Wood.

And when he was pretending to be Jerry Wood, he pretended to be Jerry Wood to three different officials in an effort to observe the trusted bill. And that's the crime. That's the three felonies. And the conspiracy to do that is the fourth one, and it's eight years and three months. And my point on this is that Tina Peters, I have no doubt in my mind. She believed she was going to be able to get evidence of election fraud into court through her case. And that's why it went all the way to trial.

And that's why she wouldn't take a plea because she really, believed she was going to be able to do that. But she wasn't able to do that. And for some unknown reason, her attorneys stipulated to the fact that Conan Hayes was pretending to be Jerry Wood at trial. And because it was stipulated to, they didn't have to prove it. They didn't have to actually prove that Conan Hayes was Jerry Wood, which would have opened the door to anything election fraud.

But that didn't happen because the actual substance of the crime, crime, the actual substance was stipulated to. The whole thing was a show trial and it was gate kept to deliver a specific outcome before the trial started. I get your point. You can't say, and I'm telling you this because I live in this

Godforsaking communist country. And the second that you say Tina Peters did nothing wrong, nobody is listening to you anymore because they know that she did something wrong because she's stipulated to it at trial. And I get the national message, but here

in the communist country of Colorado, it's a death sentence. I hear you, but here's the thing that kept counter testimony that could have disproved that. Because here's the thing, because you ask almost anybody who conducts a penetration test, right? And I'm not just talking for the government on a commercial side. When you go in and you made an agreement with a company, you're going to, that company will introduce people involved in that test as other people with a different identity. It's not even the job they're there for because that's part of the test. But this wasn't part of the test. And that that's the thing is that it is we, I agree with you that what she did was necessary and justified.

I think Jenna Griswold and her office are criminals. I think that they are absolutely engaged in a portfolio of crime. And I think that the elected clerk, if that person is going to be the elected clerk, it's going to be an elected position. and not just a vassal of the Secretary of State's office, but actually representational of the people in that county, then they have a duty to make sure that the elections are free, fair, sound, a duty to preserve all of those things. But the problem is this has nothing to do with a test.

It has nothing to do with the technology, has nothing to do with voting, it has nothing to do with elections, except in as much as it's used for the narrative. the way that the prosecution framed this case was to get to the one overt act, the misrepresentation of Conan Hayes as Jerry Wood. Without that, there was nothing to get her on, Clay, and we know that from Dallas, right? Because Dallas and Rhonda took images, and Dallas and Rhonda didn't get in trouble because there was no misrepresentation. That was the thing.

Now, you take that one thing and you look at things like Sonia Hawkes-Lewis, who also had four felonies and got probation and a fine. And you look at the sentencing and all of the enhancements for her speech that they piled on. And there's no fucking question that they were weaponizing the government against this woman and making an example of her. But they were very successful. It's getting late. I'm going to act like Brian and ask for one. And I'm just going to end it. Yeah.

I'm just telling you because I was I was aware of all the charges. And I even believe me, I talked with John Case, I could cover down on everything. And believe me, when I got told in the morning, hey, don't even bother going in the court because we can't. And so I sat at the hotel room. Then all of a sudden I get a call and I go sit outside and look at the door and still can't get in. I mean, I wrote different things. I covered down on everything and I could technically and professionally back up everything that I've done based off of what went down. And I'm just telling you, I think she could avoid those charges as well.

But it was, again, those attorneys involved in that case were so hogtied that it was more than just hands behind her back. And what I would tell you is, I came in on something that, and that Mark was testifying. on the bios passwords. And what I would tell you is the video that they released for us to see, if that was the same video or not, I can't tell you the truth because they hid that. But what I can tell you is it definitely wasn't a bioscreen. That's correct. It was not my own.

You know, what they showed us. And I tried to say that. And then I tried to say about passwords being irrelevant because the minute I said that the name dominion, you heard the objections go. But it's their documentation. their procedure because the password was irrelevant then. The password of that video was already changed. If it was it was already changed anyway.

It was not convicted of the passwords, guys. She wasn't convicted of any of that. Oh, I know. The conviction and the credentials thing did happen. It was stipulated to. That's why I say show trial because all of it was that the guilt or innocence was decided before the trial began and the process was gone through to sell it to the people. And it's why we hear all these Democrats out here saying she was convicted of a jury of her peers.

The jury had no, no, no, no. She was convicted by that corrupt judge because if anybody sat there when the camera was off in the courtroom and her case was always the last one to shut down that courthouse. Right. Because the jury instructions were so manipulated by the judge. And that was something that wasn't televised. If it was, the whole country would be screaming. So anyway, I'm sorry. Both of these guys were witnesses in that.

trial, by the way, if you don't know. Because I should have said that. I should have said that earlier. We were there. We were there. Yeah. You were there. I covered it.

Brian covered it. But you guys were actually there in the room. And I think we all agree that it was remotely. Yeah. remotely. But we said it was absolutely. Your face on the big screen. Quickly, Kathy K.

2020 says, Love you, Ash. And OMG, Seth Keschel and Clay Preak and Mark Cook together. Amazing. Thank you all for all for all you've done. election integrity. Thank you, Kathy, so much. And then Cindy says, we have freedom voting tablets that people fill out their ballots on, then a receipt with a QR code prints out. And that is just the tabulator. Can this be fraudulent? Do they actually call them freedom voting tablets? I hope that's

true. We're going to mock that for the next six months, if that's a real thing. Six years, maybe, yes. Right, right. Look at it. Look, Liberty vote. You know, what I'm saying? Of course, it's of course. Of course you have fair elections because the tablet is called a freedom tablet, you stupid peasant. Freedom tablets is awesome. Snowcat operator gifted one subscription to Badlands to Spetzel. So we're all stuck with Spetzel for another month, everybody. I'm sorry, but it is what it is.

And then Arsie Joan, Ash, thank you for another great show with a fantastic guest. God bless. Thank you so much. You guys are super generous tonight. Really appreciate you. We are so late. and like there's another show starting. So we're going to say goodnight.

Show notes are up. All the links to the things that we talked about and played are in the show notes. You can find Clay at Parake Clay on X. You can find Mark at Real. Real? No, Patriot Mark Cook. Patriot Mark Cook. Not real.

I'm fake. No, no, no. Just Patriot Mark. There we go. The trivial guy in Alabama. And I am going to raid you guys. over to baseless conspiracies and tell John, I'm sorry for being late. With that, we're going to get out of here. Everybody have a great night. Remember, change happens one conversation at a time. So be brave and speak the truth.

We'll see you guys next time. Got it. See you. Thank you so much for joining us. And don't forget to hit the thumbs up on this video. And a special thank you to all of our advertising partners. Please remember to shift your dollars to support those businesses that support Badlands Media.