Badlands Media - Culture of Change Ep. 161: Justice on Trial, Poverty by Design

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

Ashe in America welcomes back Jonathan Drake for a two part conversation, starting with a fun behind the scenes recap of their live jury trial experience at Deadwood, complete with an unforgettable "my son is innocent" courtroom moment and a preview of what is coming at the Great American Restoration Tour stop in Las Vegas. The two also swap notes on show intros, badlands community swords, and a bit of easy banter before shifting gears entirely. The second half digs into Lysander Spooner's writing on poverty, exploring his argument that scarcity is largely manufactured rather than natural, and that systemic roadblocks, not laziness, keep talented, hardworking people down. Ashe and Jonathan connect that thinking back to trial by jury and common law, making the case that the two ideas are more related than they first appear. Expect a mix of lighthearted recap and genuinely thought provoking philosophy by the end.

The badlands, one of the badlands, explain those badlands. That's a hell of their name. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to Culture of Change. And we're going to just jump right in. We'll do the ads a little bit later in the show. But I'm excited because our guest tonight has been on the show a few times, but hasn't been on the show in a while because he's been working in the coal man going down, down, down. and he was telling me horror stories of bureaucracy.

And I've been walking the office as kind of my background noise show. So it resonated a lot. Like, anyway, without further ado, what's up? Hello. Good evening. What did you think of the intro? That was awesome. Yeah, Christina from Rise of Tyre made that.

I was very pleased to see that dramatic Rembrandt-Rembrandt style painting. moment of trial by jury experience at deadwood yeah it's like yeah it's like when uh life imitates art it's awesome yeah that was um that i i think that went better than either of us expected or hoped for 100 percent and i will i said this on my show last night i will absolutely give zach the honorable zach pain presiding a lot of that credit i mean we did a lot of legwork to get that get us there but he was like that spark that just lit it ablaze. He just took the role and made it his own. Oh, so good.

Yeah, it was. It was. And that was really what we did. We're like, all right. We decided we were going to have a judge really late in the process. Yeah. Yeah, the actual form of like the theatrics of it,

we didn't really have nailed down. And then we brought Zach on it. It was just like, yeah. And there's Shisler in the chat. Being on the jury was great. Yeah. Yeah, she's in the intro too. Um,

Your cat as well. Yeah. Yeah. It was so much fun. But like that was the thing was we, we were planning to focus it so much on. We're going to have two juries at one point. We were going to have every table be a jury at one point. These are all things we can still do, too, right?

Like we can still explore this. You won't be in Vegas. There will be no jury experience in Vegas. But I think there will be a jury experience again. I would hope so. Yeah. We talked right after. I don't remember the exact particulars of the idea I had, but it was brilliant.

And as far as ways to expand the experience and what type of scenarios we'd come up with. So we'll revisit those. Yeah. I mean, St. Pete, if that works out. Well, I so I think we could do other stuff too, right? Like, we could do an election. That could be a fun thing to do. We could do a murder mystery.

Just is real, by the way, as all the regular elections. It would be more real. And there's all sorts of things to ways to make it interactive. And that's why people should come to art because we're caught. You never know what you're going to get. Constantly changing it up. And in a couple of weeks, we're going to be in Vegas. Patriots, the fight for truth doesn't stop at the screen.

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And then his mom's like, my son is innocent. Yeah. That was one of the best parts of like that just just we were so hoping people were really going to get into it and make it their own. And they did. And it was it was awesome. And you know we did a good job because Chris Paul was pumped. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Nonplus was like that was awesome. Yeah. And the like the evidence videos those turned out really good. There was there was just just so many things. John. made those. Yep. And really, you know, he's, he's come a long way. Yeah. And speaking of, of intros, he, as he's, you know, a little stacked because his kids

haven't got back to school or are about to be ready to get back to school. And he's going to be making an intro for my show. So. Oh, nice. Yeah. Where are you going with? It is a, it still need to pay homage to what I kind of have now, but sort of like a, a, a, a, a, a, a dark mahogany lined library of sorts like a hallway passing through the various concepts and things pulling back through ultimately a torus of the magnetic field that becomes my eye and

john tulips are playing throughout the whole thing wow this this stereo will be featured isn't that stereo in the intro shot with you uh it's a range Yeah, the main intro is getting rained on. It's good good quality 1970s vintage stuff and a little rain didn't cover it for the Rain. An old pioneer. The storm was upon it. It was upon it, yes.

And my sword made it in there too because Green Star said he's a Lord of the Rings fan. So he actually has that same sword. So he knew exactly what that was. This community is full of nerds for sure. Yeah. There's a lot there are a lot of bad ones. landers that unironically have swords. And I mean, can you ironically have a sword?

Sure. If I did. If I had a sword, it would be ironic. Well, you're a woman. So, you know. Yeah, well, so was Moana. No, Moulon. Oh, yeah.

Well, checkmate, Drake. Stories fake. I'm not Asian, though. So is it fake? It's all fake, right? It's all fake. That's unfortunate. But we could still talk about it and talk about how

fake it is. And we are going to do that tonight. We're going to talk. I think, I think trial by jury is going to come up. I mean, it's inevitable, right? But in talking about the news headlines that I have prepared for us to discuss. And then we'll talk about poverty. And it's unlawful or illegal causes. Legal cause and legal cure. Right. That's going to be fun. And did you start that already? It was the first episode, yeah. So kind of an introduction, went through the first chapter. Absolutely. Yeah.

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I think that are those on the Dauntless site? Yeah, it was a platform. I didn't recognize. That sounds about right. Yeah. Yeah, really, really talented. And they make, as we said, really cool clothing and blankets and everything. And if you come to a gar, you will most likely meet them.

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Dot TV slash Pet Club. Badlandsmedia. Dot TV slash pet club. And everybody should get themselves. It's mushrooms, isn't it? The mushrooms? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I haven't tried those ones. Versicolor? I haven't eaten other mushrooms. that we sell on this platform. Lions mane is a mushroom, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And I need to look into that because of the mental focus properties that it allegedly has that I've heard tell of that would be beneficial for someone as scatterbrain as I am.

Nice. I just received from some from my buddy Jordan Zayther at conscious strength. I ordered some collagen and he sent me some Lionsman. I'd never tried it before. So I'll let you know if. So you haven't tried it yet? Uh-uh. I'm pretty scattered too.

Well, I tried it one day, but I don't know if that's enough to. And I wasn't paying attention. I was too scattered to pay attention to whether or not I had benefits to my scattered. Well, if you're scattered is anything like my scattered, it's it's that I have like too many things going on at once. And I just jump from one to another. Like when I'm carving, I will get, uh, like this is a, uh, piece I'm working on. I've showed it before. This is...

Hang on, hang on, here. Just keep it up. This is Peter the Great. So, you know, it's a working tobacco pipe and it's a replica of a statue of him working on a ship. But when I'm carving on something like this, I don't just like work on the face. I'll work on the face for a little bit and I get kind of bored. So I work on the foot and then I work on the arm and I just kind of jump around.

I can't stay focused on like one thing. Wait, wait, wait, hold it back up. Yeah. So when people say that that, you know, know the level I'm thinking of that there's this this obelisk or maybe it's a pillar I don't know if it's an obelisk but in Rome that has like that like little that guys like that right and it's telling a story in a spiral all the way up and it's like probably 10 stories right and the initial look at it is that can't be they they didn't do that with hand tools there's just no way but look at

this yeah I mean this is this is wood it's a very dense I sent some to Green Star actually. It's as a root burl extremely dense so it takes a lot of really good detail. But yeah, I mean, if you have patience, you can do anything. You know, I was like, how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time? Like when I'm carving something like this, I'll be usually sitting like in a comfortable chair, kind of lean back and I've got like my hand chisels and that's like right close to my face. And then when I get done, I'll just be covered in thousands of little wood chips. when you start, they're bigger, and when you get smaller and, you know, get more detail,

they get smaller and smaller. And then you kind of have the depressing reality. Like every one of those is a thought and a decision and a chiselstroke. Yeah. Which is why I kind of bounce around because I can focus like that, but I have to kind of like, I have to bounce around. But anyway. It's very cool and very beautiful.

And this is, have you announced what you're doing yet in a month's time? Oh, yeah, I've told people, I'm quitting my job. job in the next month. And it will be, I'll be able to do that stuff as well. I'm going to be focusing on like local like home remodeling, handyman type stuff just as a way to get cash flow. And then I'm also going to, I'll start advertising with Badlands and making things available to people in a like affiliate fashion so that way Badlands gets cut. You know, people have asked me about pipes and whips and stuff. So I'll have time to have more time. time to devote to production of those types of things.

I was just checking to see if yes. And anybody that's been to a garret and has seen an auction, John Drake has made pipes for the auction, pipes for the badlanders, whips for several of us, made a badlands colored whip. Last garth to auction off and scared the crap about the crap out of the DPH guys. That was funny.

John's like, that's enough. Bernie Bride's like, I'm against slavery now. Yeah. But yeah, no, it's also the reason that we're not doing our Supreme Court show. Yeah. That we're not doing our Supreme Court show yet. I was, I really wanted to start it coinciding, but as time has gone on.

Because I'm like getting projects done on my house. And then also I've been voluntold. to build set pieces for the play my daughters are in. Oh, yay. What play? And it is, I'll see if you can guess what the play is. It's about a bunch of horny and marriage-obsessed Bolsheviks. They're on the roof.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like, ah, my wife started told me like, you can't say anything. But, yeah, so they're thick in the process of practicing right now, and I'm building three big set pieces, which is fun. I enjoy it, but it's also just another thing to do. Yeah.

Yeah. But that'll be cool. And your daughter will appreciate it and remember it forever. Oh, yeah. And like last year they did Mary Poppins. I carved the Mary Poppins umbrella. Like I found pictures of the original and like carved the parrot and all that and made the umbrella for the main character. And then like for the actual like the tech week leading up to the play, usually I'm not able to be part of that because I'm working.

But I'm going to be off forever. So. Oh my gosh. It's going to be so awesome. I was telling you, like the stress level of being where I work and just the stupidity of where I work and how just utterly inane everything is. It feels like it has to be intentional. And it just sitting there listening to people moan and complain about all the things that we've moan and complain about.

And it's not my problem anymore. I could just, I could feel the stress rising. And then I was like, you know what? I don't have to worry about it. And then I could feel the stress going away. And I realized how much stress that job has put into my life. And that's not in my life anymore. So I'm very, very thankful.

Well, when you were describing it, it sounded and I said to you, this is actually a perfect topic for the show. We're going to speak in vague generalities because you still work there. But it sounds like did you get the memo of the TPS report, right? But you told a story of a team that scale. from three people to 11 people and became half as effective, which is the nature of bureaucracy and will more often than not happen that way. Well, and I'm sure you can speak to this too from your corporate experience,

but when you have people that live and breathe the things that management are trying to manage, and like for us, it's operators in a process, and you're working this equipment day in and day out. You recognize that there's like there's the stats on the paper of what it should do, but it doesn't actually do that because programming issues that you try to get corrected that they just never fix. You find ways around those things. So when you're training someone, you're like, this is the way it's supposed to work, but this is how it actually works. And so you have all this knowledge of how things are.

And then they come up and you're like, we want to try to do X. And you're like, okay, well, we tried that like five years ago and it didn't work. And here's all the reasons why it didn't work. Here's all the reasons logically why it wouldn't have worked anyway. And they're like, yeah, we still want to try it. Like, okay, so they try it. It blows up in our fate, not literally, but like, you know, goes horribly wrong. We have to clean up all the mess.

And then six months later, we want to try something. And it's the same thing. You're like, but we just went through this. Like, we just proved that that was a bad idea. And so this no respect for, like, I've been there almost 15 years. I work with guys that have been there 25, 30, 35 years. And the people that have been there the longest are the absolute last people they listen to. and just over pick the you know the type of topic you know who their type of you know they're they're

very DEI focused so we're we're getting all of the you know the intersectionalities you're muted I said you're too white did you tell them that you're Greek I've tried that and also I've tried the I'm autistic thing and and it doesn't seem to where it doesn't really believe you like you can tell I'm autistic just read like I'm known for my emails like you know here's this point this point Russian novels. Yeah, you're a Russian novelist on the email. Yeah. So I know I'm, I'm, they have me on auto delete. I've always joked about that. But yeah. I mean, it's just, and, and, and it's a system that perpetuates itself regardless of who's actually in charge. And there's no fighting against it. And so that's what I mean, I wanted to get out for other reasons,

you know, more time with my family and all that, but that, there's just no winning there. So it's just every day is a battle and you just it wears you down and it's almost over and then uh final demand in the chat a $10 rumble rant thank you so much we do appreciate it i never seen the much talked about j uh drake pipes and holy shit that was not a pipe that was a piece of art yeah like what what else do you have there that you've carved that you can show people um i feel like the well i don't have any because most of the stuff i end up selling i mean i've got Isn't there a box? I feel like you showed a really intricate box at one point. Um, no. I mean, I cast a, uh, you might have just described it. I cast the lightsaber out of

aluminum years ago. Like I built a foundry and this is actually, this is actually a toilet plunger handle that looks like a lightsaber. And so I used it as the mold and cast it as and I gave that to a gift as my to my older brother years ago. Yeah. Most of my stuff that you guys, a lot of nerds. Yeah. Totally. A big star, star, Yeah, most of my stuff Like I've got Wow, that's another reason to come to Gart I got that stuff my phone

But I've got So you said that that pipe was Peter the Great Yeah Is it part of a set? That one's not part of a set But my My avatar like on the telegram chat My avatar is actually a self portrait that I carved

And then Yeah and then that's also like on my show There's the picture of spooner is my background and then there's the uh on the other side there's that it's the same self portraits so people can can see that but that was part of a larger set i have you carved nativities no i never have uh you probably don't want to smoke out of jesus well and when you're designed that's a person or an animal because i've carved like um i mean this this will be this will be uh extremely ghetto the way i'll do this here but when you uh when you carve like animals and

things. You've got to be mindful of where you place the pipe part because you don't want to smoke out there, but here. This is an elephant that I carved. That's wood also. Yeah, it's the same material. So that's how the pipe is. You can see the bull right there. This is part of a set that was the big five animals of Africa. So that's the stand. Their individual stands that piece together to make the African continent as a puzzle. So you have Cape Buffalo, the rhino, the leopard, the lion, and the elephant. And I did that. That was quite a while ago, but that is very cool. Yeah. It's an itch that must be scratched. So I love that for you. All right. So, we are going to hear for actually, you know, we'll wait and put do soft disclosure later.

I'm just going to make a hard transition because I don't know how to navigate it. I want to talk about this case, and this is where I think trial by jury will come up. But there's two parts to this. This is from the brief this morning. There's two parts to this, and I think they're related, but, you know, I'm a big old conspiracy theorist. And then we'll talk about, you know, the, whether or not this qualifies as justice, Drake. Letitia James' office was targeting political opponents, new emails prove prosecutor in New York, attorney general, Letitia James' office alleged in an agency-wide email that his supervisor directed him to pursue

possible crimes involving President Trump and Trump-linked organizations and ostensibly supporters without what the prosecutor considered a credible basis, according to an email obtained by the Times Union. The allegations have not been independently established. I think this story is all over here now. And the, the allegations were in this guy with firsthand witness. He says that the bureau chief, Shamiso Maswasui, I don't know, directed him to target Trump, true social, and Hewlett Packard, an official attorney general's office release independently, identifies Weissensfeld as assistant attorney general in the investor protection bureau and ma swoosui. as I hope that's how you say it.

Masuo Sui. Do you though? I really fun to say. I really do because it's fun to say. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. Mascoospie.

Yeah, yeah. It sounds like you're saying it wrong. Maybe it's Maso Suo Sway. I don't know. She was the Bureau Chief. On Friday, the email disappeared from the inboxes of more than 2,000 employees. And General Counsel Kumiki Gibson sent an agency-wide message describing the situation as an internal matter,

saying that employees were not in danger, according to three people familiar with the communication. Weisenfeld also urged colleagues not to target James as political opponents, arguing that prosecutors should investigate crimes and investigate those crimes rather than begin with individuals in search for crimes. He accused the office of spending public money, targeting political enemies. Yeah, I mean, this is something that's happening all over the country. And certainly in Letitia James' office, it's not surprising.

James's office placed, Weissenfeld on administrative leave with full pay. That sounds like whistleblower retaliation. FYI. He makes a very specific allegation against Masuo Sway because he says that she directed him to, you know, here's the person, show me the person, I'll find the crime. She directed him to do that. He blows the whistle. He gets put on leave.

She's still, I believe, the bureau chief. Now, here's the thing that I found it was really interesting because I was like, I've heard that name before when I read this, the article. From a 2023 Bloomberg article, Shamiso Maso Suuay, a black woman of Zimbabwean descent, alleged she was wrongfully terminated when she returned to work after having a child because of her race, her breastfeeding in the office, and her child caregiving activities. which included taking her infant on work trips. She also alleged the department retaliated against her

for complaining that she was being discriminated against, treated differently than her male and childless colleagues, and because she was a breastfeeding mother. She sounds delightful. There was a point in time when I was breastfeeding mother at work that I had to pump milk in a bathroom. I didn't sue about it, though. So anyway, my theory on this, and it's pure speculation.

It's really more of just a timing thing. So this is 2023 that this settlement happens with Letitia James's office. So Chamiso, is that right? Is that Shamiso? Yeah. Shemiso Maswasway. She files a discrimination lawsuit against Letitia James's office, 2023, that settles.

and she gets $750,000. She goes on, she goes on to become the bureau chief in Letitia James' investor protection bureau. She's the chief, and she's directing her subordinates to go after Trump and his associates and his organizations.

I think it's pure speculation, in my opinion, based on the information available, I think that she was paid for future services. That's entirely possible. It's also entirely possible that, like you said, she sounds like just a wonderful person, that these people are attracted to those systems of power because they're unscrupulous people and they're willing to do whatever. And they pay themselves accordingly. And that kind of brings to mind, you know, the point that I've been driving home is that legitimate government with this is pulled out of the science. of Justice essay, that legitimate government is the amplification of the power of the individual, not the authority, that there's no new authority that's discovered by collectivizing just new power. And so, you know, human beings being what we are and how we tend to, there's a quote, my older brother used to put at the end of his emails, like, I can't remember who it was by,

but it's essentially to the effect of whatever we invent, mankind will figure out a way to kill ourselves with it. So you have people using that power for good and forcing natural law, but then also it's going to attract people like this person, like Letitia James, like fill in the blank your favorite deep state character, because that power enables them to do even more crime than they could on an individual level. And at their heart, they're criminal people. And they hide behind the pretense of legitimate government, but there's nothing legitimate about them. agreed because elections are fake and there you go

Phil Scarborough who just asked a couple of minutes ago when does this show turn into why we vote because last night was why we don't vote all shows are why we vote now

what oh were you on with Burning Bright last night no that was my show last night oh your show yes of course yeah he did he did a solo he did a solo show last night I was doing the football draft I wasn't on the stream but I was

doing. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, those scenarios where these, like, this kind of reminds me, too, of the corruption and the fraud in Minnesota and, oh, that's so, so terrible. And we're all up in arms about the fraud and because the thieves that stole our money aren't using it wisely. And it's like, no, the real problem is that they stole from us. The fact that they're using, that's something that Spooner also points out that he's like, if you understand that all political powers that has called rests on the matter of money, you're going to do. going to understand that when someone steals from you, they're not likely to use the money they stole from you for your benefit, even if they tell you so. This is just a classic case of that,

where you have a tremendous amount of power invested in these offices because people go along with whatever they come up with and they have access to tremendous amounts of money and they can destroy people's lives and they can make up novel legal theories and all that kind of nonsense and then they can and then they play the victim game even though they're in these positions of power they'll play the victim game and they'll leverage their way because they're they're they're criminals they're they're they're not they're on the same team but they're also not you know I'm sure there's a lot of self-centeredness that goes on there too so there's a lot of cutthroat you're trying to climb the ladder and get into better positions of power yeah they're the victims until

they're not the victims right and then the victims are you know baseless and and, you know, political operatives and whatnot. We see that time and again. In fact, if you hold the line on your argument, like, elections are fake, right? You'll see them become all of the things because they'll change their argument to try and, you know, continue to win. But the reality is that there can't be, you can't, illegitimate legislators cannot make legitimate law. Right. And we have illegitimate legislators that are making the so-called law.

and we have fake elections through which they get their so-called power. And that's something that we have to reconcile. As a country and as people, and I know you don't think we need elections. How would that work, Drake? Well, to what end are they being elected? For the same ones now, like the government we have now. Not like in it, the system.

Okay, better answer. changing my answer, not the government we have now, too many traps in that. I'm changing my answer to the design, and I know you're anti-constitution, but the design of the constitution, of that form of government. Well, certainly. The scale of what existed immediately following the ratification of the constitution is a lot smaller, and obviously a lot smaller is better. So that's certainly trending in the correct direction. But the reason why I asked the question, you know, representative to what end is because if the purpose of an election is to pick someone who's going to sit in a room with a few hundred other people and then decide the rules by which we all must live,

that's not a legitimate enterprise, which is why I refer to government as the executioner. The executioner should have no hand in deciding what the law actually is. They're just there to execute the law. A legitimate election, in my opinion, would be voting, you know, a sheriff in place. You know, actually, if, you know, the town, you know, hangman gets voted in or something like that, that's a legitimate election because all they're doing is carrying out the legitimate determination of the people through the trial by jury process. And obviously, this is the end goal, right? So, like, how do we get there is a completely different question. But you can't figure out how to get there until you know what there is.

And so that system. What about declaring war? Well, to what, to what end? to win the war, whatever the threat is. We're being attacked. How, I mean, how many wars has this country engaged in? You're skirting the question, though, is how do we, so if the, you know, with you on sit in a room and determine the rules by which we all live, I think that we have too many layers of that too. Oh, yeah.

We have the local one. Down to the local level. Yeah, that's where we're really. Right. And that all needs to be. I'm totally with you on that. But there are enumerated powers where, you know, the founders in their wisdom thought it was necessary for there to be a decision on behalf of the collective, right? The way it was designed was that that would be done through representation originally of the states and of the people, right?

So there's the states, the people, and the federal government. The Senate was supposed to represent the states, house, the people, executive branch, you know, representation through the, executive and that representation would do very limited things and you know some trade stuff national defense stuff declaring war is one of those things now i know you're anti-war and we've had too many of them and none of us want war but that that decision right would still exist for any country, right? Who has the, even in the, even in the King's England, which you romanticize, the King would still have the ability to declare war. And so as a segue then, the, why are we segwaying before you answer whether or not they have the power to say it?

Yeah, segue into how I would answer that because that was a perfect, a perfect lead into my answer, that we like to think that, oh, we don't have a king, we're great, but we have the effect of what we think having a monarch would be already, like as far as the way the government controls our lives and steals from us and is not the guardian of the law, but is the originator of the law, which is the complete inversion of what things should be, going back to how the Anglo-Saxon kings would swear their oaths on their coronation day, they're not the source of the law, they're just the protector of the law, and they're the protector of the realm. So I'm not entirely opposed to the concept of a body of men or, you know, that can be women too,

you know, just generic, you know, the royal we kind of thing. Although probably not a good idea. Although probably not. I knew it was coming. But having that person who is the king that is like, I'm here to protect you people. Like, you're my people and I'm here to protect you. The problem with what we have today is that the way the kings were chosen back in the day, going back to the Saxon era back on the continent before they went over to England,

the king was the best guy in the in the in the tribe he was the one leading the charge he was the one he was like the most wise the most brave the strongest like that was he was the best man and so i mean donald trump fits that mold beautiful we're not talking blood laying kings no they they're the the the son of the king would start off being assumed to be the error but if he proved himself to be wrong like to not be filling what his father was doing doing if his father was a good king, then the barons and the nobles and the people would rebel against him and there would be civil war, and then they would pick a different king, which historians point back to that era as being, that's evidence for the instability and the weakness of that

era, rather than saying that actually is at strength, that no one person was able to get that much of a hold over the country that they were able to effect their will with an iron fist because the people were pushing back on it. Okay, I have two questions. Well, so then to finish that with a system that we have today, if we have a body of men that, or be like, look, we've got this threat, they're out of door, we really need to get together. We're declaring war. You guys want to join us. We have our own resources.

We're raising the militias. I don't have a problem with that. And there is a gray area in that. But as far as determining the day-to-day, the problem is that role switched over to, now we get to tell you how much of your income you get to keep. Yeah. That's a big shift. Over centuries, but yes, it certainly was. Okay, I have two questions about this. One, from what pool of people did they pick a new king?

And did they, when they revolted and, you know, appointed a new king, what pool, what population of candidates? By the time it was the Anglo-Saxon era, you're definitely polling more. more from your landed elites, you know, your barons and the nobleman. Going back to the Saxon era, it was not quite just anybody could be king, but almost to that effect. Okay. So in that period of time, this is my second question, is that the time, this is going to prove my ignorance of historical periods, but when the sword and the stone, an Excalibur, and

whoever pulled out the stone could be king? Yeah, King Arthur. Yeah. That is, that would be like really early Anglo-Saxon era, is my understanding of when that story was supposed to. You're like looking at end of Roman era into where you still had the Britons were the people. Because the Anglo- I'm Arthur, King of the Britons.

Right. The Saxons replaced the Britons as the people. I mean, the Saxons were savage people. So it's not like they weren't, you know, a warlike people. but yeah, and I don't remember. And this is your ideal society, right? Legally, yes. We, you know, there's, there's difference in culture, but as far as what they understood about individual sovereignty, no man speaks for another man, the idea of judgment of your peer, your peers, not just some arbitrary authority dictating.

They had that down pat. No culture is perfect by any stretch. So we have a lot of things going for us, but then we also have. this centralized because part of the problem too it goes back to the whole centralization versus decentralization argument centralization always leads to problems for mankind decentralization always leads to less problems but we're still talking about people so there's going to be problems so I think what you're saying is that at the federal level we don't need to have the decision rights be representative if we're only doing the things that they should be doing and my second question

follow on how do we decide who's king well in some sense it doesn't really matter what we decide as far as who the king would be that can be you know because you throughout human history you've always had your elites and your right you know run-of-the-mill population um there's always more of us than there are them and some we if we remember that then there's less because they can't, you know, arrest all of us, you know, like G-Money thing. But in some sense, it doesn't matter who's at the federal level, quote-unquote, representing us. Because if they declare war, because this would happen, the Anglo-Saxons would, you know, I have a claim on, you know, land over in, on the continent.

And so we're going to go over there and, you know, march over there and, you know, make my, my legacy and, like, half the country be like, no, we're not going. we're not doing that. So, you know, you can say whatever you want, you can declare whatever war you want, but you're not, we're not going along with it. So in some sense, it doesn't really matter what goes on in Washington, if at the local level,

through a trial by jury system, people are deciding what laws are actually going to be, because a law is essentially the justification by which you can lose your life, liberty, or property. And we don't want that to be decided by someone hundreds, or thousands of miles away, we want that to be decided right here. And so if they decide... As close to us as possible.

As close to us as possible. And if they decide we need to raise taxes to raise an army, I'm not paying that tax. And where would that be enforced? The local law enforcement would have to come get me. And then I'm in front of a jury. And then the jury, all under the right system, one person that goes, yeah, I don't think we should pay that tax either. because it's supposed to be a simulation of what the entire country would go along with. Because we either believe in consent of the governed or we don't.

Consent of the government has shifted to being whoever voted for the winning candidate gets their way, which is less than 25% of the population in any given election. So that means 75% of the population are not representative. And yet we call it a representative government. Yeah. Well, you're not wrong about that. I do think it go from an, from when we talk about like giving our consent to be government, you know, Brian and I talk about it on on why we vote and how, you know, if we don't have

real elections, then we aren't actually consenting to be governed. Outside of the, you know, the bubble that is our audience, people don't really even grasp the concept that they're consenting to. to anything. It's like there's there has been a mind shift almost I think in the collective that you serve at the pleasure of the government, right? Like it's the price you pay. What do you not want roads? It's the price you pay for living in a in a civilized society. You have to pay your taxes and that has just gotten to the point like in you live in Illinois. I live in Colorado. Both are bad shit crazy when it comes to taxation policy.

Oh, yeah, just look at the price of gas, like going from Tennessee into Illinois, or Kentucky and Illinois, there's like a dollar jump. It's the same material, same stuff, but it's just the taxes are different. Yeah, final demand again, another $10 Rumble, thank you so much. Jonathan, do you commission pieces or just what you feel like and sell it? Where can I find your work? So all of the stuff that I've done that's like highly detailed has been commissioned. And I used to have a website.

I don't currently. I'm going to be setting that stuff up. Yeah, I'll be sitting up here the next few months of another website. And yes, he will be commissioning pieces. Yeah. Yeah. For the right. Okay.

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Final demand again with a Rumblebrand. Thank you so much. There's an inscription. I actually think this is a great segue into the poverty segment. Oh, yeah. There is an inscription on the DOJ that says the common law is the will of mankind. Saw it 16 years ago and it stuck with me. Does that quote mean anything to you guys?

Well, for certain it means that the people at the DOJ don't read the inscriptions on the walls. that was going to be my first reaction too yeah what do you say to that or they say the common law is the will of mankind and we're just going to ignore that it's like in office space and not gonna not gonna work here anymore

yeah the common law is the will of mankind erasing the common laws are well yes that's their state of division the common law is it goes back to the English law like English common law and it was born out of what the people decided should be the law. And it became more codified, and you have a lot of historical jurists writing their opinions on it, and it became this known quantity.

I mentioned the oaths that the kings would take, and the oath was changed in like 1688 or something like that. But for the previous 500-plus years, the king swore to uphold the law that the people had chosen. and then it got switched to that Parliament chose, which is a key shift in emphasis. But yeah, common law was what the people collectively would agree to should be the rules by which, again, what law actually is, the means by which you can legitimately lose your life, liberty and your property. Or if it's a bad law, it legitimately lose your life liberty and your property.

And the judgment was supposed to be, in the hands of your peers. We have to get back to that. Do you, I feel like I ask you this every single time that you're on the show. And this, we're going to talk about poverty now, so we're not talking about trial by jury. But I'm guessing they're related. It's all one big. It's all one big thing.

But do you think that there's a, like, do you see, are you optimistic about a return back to a trial, more of a trial by jury? system. I mean, I've mentioned this before, but on a personal level, I was aware of these concepts. I've been reading Spooner for almost 20 years and telling my friends and family and, wow, you're crazy. Like, that's nuts. I can't believe you would, you know, that's just, that's so crazy. And I would, you know, talk to people at work and, oh yeah, Jonathan's crazy. So I go from, you know, speaking into a void for nearly 20 years to suddenly having badlands as an audience. And, you know, thanks to John for giving me that opportunity. But, you know, now there's tens of thousands of people that are

listening to this type of stuff every week. And then we have the Garts and then they get spread. And, you know, to the point where, you know, even John or Chris or BB on a DPH will, will reference the stuff I'm talking about because it's just getting more traction, at least in this community, not full buy-in, by any stretch, but at least it's part of the conversation again, and that's important. It needs to be talked about. It needs to be dealt with. Like, these are, the concerns that Spooner raises are concerns that need to be handled. And so there's a sense of pessimism when you think at the culture at large, like, man, nobody's ever going to get this. But then at the same time, like 2% of the population or something like that was actually

involved in the revolution, you know. So like, it doesn't really take that much when it's a collective in a collective of individuals acting in concert. You can achieve great things. So, you know, and it took it's years to get to this point that we're at now. So the idea that we're going to just flip a switch and it all go back, no, I mean, Claire Kat can tell you, like, how uncomfortable my show has been for her over the past almost year. That level of, that level of, you, discomfort, people are going to push away from and not lean into, but people in Badlands are leaning into it. And even if they don't end up agreeing, they're still wrestling with those things and dealing with those issues. And that's important. And so that gives me a sense of optimism.

And as far as like how to teach our kids. Absolutely. And how to get there or teaching our kids is certainly one way to about how to get there. But no, I mean, teach our kids the principles of that they're not lost. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's one of the ways how we can get there. but that's a long game. You know, that's the long time. It's the one our enemies are playing. Right, right. All the curriculum proves that.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. On every issue. On every, yeah. Well, that's the sustainable development goals, is that it's a framework that governs every aspect of human existence on this planet. And it was designed by globalists in, where is the UN?

New York. Yeah. Designed by globalists in New York, implemented by globalists all over the world, relatively small number of people, I think, in the grand scheme. I think the majority of people on the planet are oblivious. To the fact that they're centrally planned. Oh, yeah. And the way this works is the same reason why my job has become more and more insufferable. I mentioned the idea of a system carrying on regardless of who's in place. And so, you know, there's always the debate like, oh, these people are stupid and oh, how can you say there's this global conspiracy because they just, they're so dumb. Well, they're reaping the benefits of a lot smarter people back in the day that set up that system. And the way the system repeats itself, I played a, or talked about a video,

I didn't actually show it on my show, a social experiment where they set up a doctor's office and this girl, lady comes in for her appointment and everyone else in the waiting room is in on the gag where they play a beep and then everyone stands up. And she's like, what is going on? Oh, yeah, I've seen that one. And then the beeps again. So they stand up and pretty soon after like three, she starts standing up with them. And then one by one,

they get called in to go to the doctor. And then now she's the only one in there and it beeps and she stands up. And then more people come in that have no idea and they start doing it because she's doing it. And pretty soon you have four or five people in the waiting room looking around each other and it beeps and they stand up like but nobody goes,

wait a minute what are we doing let's stop this is dumb there's no objective reason for this no one's explained it's just this is what we do that's how these systems

perpetuate no one really likes the system per se but they all think everyone else does and so they're afraid to speak out and then they even help to enforce the system because they need to be perceived as liking the system

it's like this terrible cycle that goes on and I think that explains a lot of what we see today so all it takes is enough people to be like, yeah, I'm not doing that. Well, and I think, too, you have to have to change that mindset, the people who will support the system because it's the system and it's their normal, right?

It's their sense of normalcy. You have to have an alternative. You can't just point out that the system is broken because, sure, yeah, every generation has said that the system is broken. You have to give them something to strive for. for. And that's why I think that, you know, President Trump has really navigated this brilliantly in terms of pointing out how absolutely messed up everything is in every domain, every industry, every, you know, state has its own problems and the corruption and every level of government

throughout. It's spotlight on it. But also has painted, you know, a vision and an idea of a golden age that I think inspires people and gives them hope. And you have to have both. And in from a change management standpoint, you have to have a point B. If you're going to effectively move people from point A to point B, you will wander in the desert probably for 40 years or more if you don't have a point B. Right. And so that's that's that's part of the like I think from a from a value standpoint. like the idea of who we want to be as Americans, right? I think we have a majority that largely agrees on what that is, right? Yeah, but having on enough things, yeah.

But the tactics by which we get to point B, right? Like that is, that's where, well, that's where politics lives, right, is in that ecosystem. And if you're on. That's where we're told it lives, but politics by and large today just perpetuates the system. Everywhere. Yeah. Throughout.

But it does, but it certainly lives in that space of defining how we're all getting to point B, right? We all know that we're going to a golden age. We'll use that as the example. I had a much darker example that came into my head, but we'll go with golden age. We're all going to the golden age. But what does that mean for data centers? Well, if we're going to have the golden age that,

you know, where you have your med beds and your free energy and all of these things that you want, there are tool sets and infrastructure that needs to be built, you know, General Quast and you will be on. Don't forget to tease your show. Oh, yeah. This one is it. But there's infrastructure that has to be built. And General Quas has talked about that. I asked him directly the question about free energy when I, like one of the first times I ever talked to him, you know, back when I first met him.

And he was basically saying, yeah, I mean, we could do it now, but you have to upgrade all of the infrastructure. Like all like it's like like these are going to be obsolete. There might be something like this, but the in the internal workings that make it go, um, are going to be different. Right. Yeah. Well, and I mentioned this at, at, uh, is that beeping coming through by the way? I don't hear beeping.

Okay, good. Because my wife was texting me. I, like, don't disturb my phone. And it was like, again, you notification. I just want to make sure that wasn't going through. I mentioned this at Gart Zach had pointed me to a company called Casimir Space Company that has

developed this chip essentially that's a solid state, it's really a capacitor but it is a capacitor that self-charges essentially and it is just perpetually agitating the ether because that's why the thing's happening and it's

perpetually generating a charge that you can tap into. And so their website indicates that they're going to production capable in 2028. I think they just, Sather posted something, he sent it to me. They just received a,

were awarded a contract or something like that with the Space Force. Producing this little chip that in 2020, it'll be enough to power AirPods or, you know, meta-glasses or something like that. Fast forward a few years, they're able to scale it to the point where in 10 to 15, years they say that a suitcase size one of their devices will power a Tesla car. So you're talking about something that will not need to be charged. It doesn't need to be refueled. It doesn't need to be,

there's no moving parts. That in of itself is when you think of the how many jobs are you destroying with such an invention. And then also how much, you know, free time are you, you unlocking for people is, you know, suddenly you have something where your house is no longer connected to the grid. you just have a suitcase-sized thing that everything is wired into. That's revolutionary. And I don't even think we can fully comprehend. Because you just think of all of that technology has been really known about and has existed for like 80 years or longer even when you go back to the stuff that Tesla was working on.

And so we've had 80 years of the oil infrastructure and all that. And so there's a lot of people that don't want to see that to come to fruition. But it seems like the ball is rolling and it's not stopping. When it seems like managed change too, right? Yeah, well, exactly. Yeah. The the announcements coming out of Venezuela and, you know, the promise of the Venezuelan oil industry, who knows what the, you know, the ultimate. But it's, you know, pointing towards a new future in the region, energy driven economy.

And yeah, I mean, they're not, it's not made from fossils too. Right, right. You have to, you know, a balanced energy portfolio is probably the thing. And often when people build up in their head what things are going to look like, they look different. But I think we are moving towards, we're moving towards different, certainly. And you can feel it. It's slow because we're managing people through change, I think. Well, and then to that point, even, you know, then touching on poverty, that talking about, you know, point B, you know, how do we get there?

What does the golden age look like? was a framing that I used early in my show, if we're going to be building a golden age, but we use the methods and the ideas that built the age that we're trying to build the golden age out of and like away from, we're not going to be building the golden age. We're going to be right back to where we are now in probably even shorter amount of time. So we have to build towards something that's not what we have now. And part of that is understanding why economies fail, understanding why markets fail. And I'm not talking about like, oh, the stock market crashed. I'm talking about your daily individual person being stuck in like a job that I've, you know,

made the sacrifice for my family to provide for them. And, you know, God's been gracious through that job even in spite of how, you know, frustrating it's been. But that that being the life for so many people where it's like, oh, I've got my two weeks of vacation where I can do the things that I want to do. The rest of my time, half of them I'm working for the government. And then the other half that I'm working for this corporation that's taking my labor and I'm, yeah, I'm getting compensated for it and as a volunteer, but did you really, in the larger context of the economy where, you know, this essay I'm starting on, I started last night, poverty, it's illegal cause and it's legal cure.

And the spoiler alert, the illegal cause is the government stepping in and messing with human beings' ability to contract with one another. And he focuses in on like banking and finance. and then like the ability for people to freely associate. And part of that is in, you know, I'm going to loan you money and you're kind of high risk. I'm going to charge you 12% because it's high risk. And then you're like, that's okay because I can't get anyone else alone to me. I'll take it and I'll make good on it.

He's got a whole different way of viewing debt that's really fascinating that would take probably too long to explain for the time we have left. but the centralization of control over the economy, which the Constitution affected, essentially, has opened the door for the government to step in and be like, no, there's a cap on the interest that you can charge for a loan. Well, price ceilings, you know, econ 101,

price ceilings or price floors cause all kinds of potentially, you know, if you're going to give them the benefit of the doubt, unintended consequences that end up hurting the very people they're they're said to protect. And then what that ends up doing is it, it, uh, when, especially with like the price of, of capital with, you know, thinking of interest rates, it makes it consolidated into large larger and larger lumps that only really get loaned out to richer and richer people. So it creates that rich get rich and the poor get poor, uh, you know, dichotomy because the poor are too risk, uh, you know, too risky to loan to,

they can't get the capital to start a business on their own. And then when they go to, they can't get the capital. Well, now there's all these licensing and fees and things that they have to pile on top of it. And so then it's like, well, it's too much of a risk to go out and start a business to do what you love doing or whatever where you're not giving your life away to someone else. And they intern and go, here's two weeks. You can go to the beach with your family, but you're right back here. If you can afford to go to the beach with your family. Yeah, which, you know, historically in America, you have been able to increasingly. I made the comment on my show. I think it was last night that in 1999 my dad was making $90,000 a year, which was like an insane amount of money

for us because there was a lot of years we were dirt poor. And if you were to make the same purchasing power today, that's $180,000. Yeah. I was making, I mean, there are people making that, but most people, the guys that I work with, if you're going to make that much money, they're working six days a week doing overtime. Yeah. And they're still not even pulling in $180,000. And so they're living in that place to make, you know, six figures, which is possible. But I don't want that. I want to be with my family. So the, the, the, you know, people say, oh, poverty is people's choices. All things being equal, if you're lazy, if you give in devices, yeah, you'll probably be experiencing poverty. But what Spooner is talking about is more of like the person who is working

hard, who is talented, is being beat down by this artificial ceiling, by these artificial roadblocks. You know, be like running a track and field race and the rich get this nice open lane. And then like Sam Altlin going around begging for the governments of the world to regulate AI, which is really just the cost of hedging out his competition. They're paying for the officiators of the race. Like, you put a hurdle in that guy's lane. Put put a puddle in that guy's lane. make that lane just soft sand that he has to run through.

And then it was like, hey, just work harder. Like, no, there's, there's systematic things in place that are meant to keep us down. And that's basically Spooner's main thesis. That's what causes poverty because human beings are talented enough, we're industrious enough. And there's a, scarcity is largely manufactured. And so all things being equal, if you actually had a free market, like think how good the American economy is now with the ball and chain that's, you know, it's like a horse galloping with chains around its legs. And it's still hauling ass. Take off the chains and what's going to happen. And the free

energy thing might even be one of those chains that, that, you know, gets broken off that sets things going. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it keep, you know, Brian and I are reading the creature from Jekyll Island. And the corollary. The, yeah, that, well, the name of the game is bailout. And the loans. and the loaning of money and the servicing on the loans and the you know the the paying of the interest on the loans is the point and it's this you know duct tape and popsicle sticks held together house of cards that um the duct tape is you know being peeled off and the pops and sticks are falling and the wind is blowing and it's unsustainable and it's why we needed a great reset right because a great reset would have allowed the people that have, you know, exploited, well, first designed and implemented and then exploited everyone through that system, want to keep their power in the next phase. But their system is unsustainable and it's so visible that everybody can see it. So now you're going to own nothing and be happy. And we have these, you know, sustainable development goals that everybody needs to abide by

because it's a global consensus. And it's like, well, hang on a second. By global consensus, you mean a small group of, you know, elitists, most of whom have a eugenicist worldview and believe that they're managing the population of the earth like a herd because they have the right bloodline and they went to the, they have the right pedigree. I remember when I was working for the first consulting firm that I worked for that we acquired another consulting firm. And the people that we brought it, Like the people I work with were, you know, elite people, you know, high, you know, top of their class type people being recruited into the firm. And then we brought in and absorbed this other firm. And they, for the first time, I heard candidates for positions being referred to in terms of their pedigree. And they used the word pedigree. And I was so put off by it. And was like, well, you obviously have the wrong pedigree. If you're annoyed by us, you know, talking about people as though they're show dogs, but it was, you know, what prep school did they go to? And what, you know, connections, what NGOs are they connected to? What, what is their network of

influence? And it was, you know, if you have the right one, then you're getting that job over somebody who doesn't have that right network of influence. You know what you call a system like that? Bullshit. Proof of stake. Yeah. That's a proof of stake system. That doesn't know. It's exciting about this. they pretty much all are, aren't they? Oh, yeah. And the government interfering with the market on behalf of those who can afford to pay for them to do that because it costs money to get the bribes to get, you know, to get, you know, that stuff accomplished.

It reinforces that proof of stake system, which is why this Bitcoin is going to end up coming a lot in coming up a lot in this essay because what the replacement that Spooner describes is extremely proof of work and is very fascinating, and I don't have all the particulars off top of my head because it's been a while since I've gone through the essay, but the corollary between the type of world that Bitcoin offers and what Spooner describes needs to be put in place is very similar. And the rise of tire ad made me think of this

because they talked about the parallel economy. That ultimately is one of the ways out. one of the ways to point B is we just exist on a parallel platform. And there's so many correlations between, you know, be in the world, not of the world, and that kind of a concept. You know, you can't really pull yourself out of this system until it fully withers and dies. So in the meantime, do as much as you can on those parallel rails. Go to Badlands Shop, you know, support people like Rise of Tire.

Obviously, you know, people are giving generous rumble rants like Final Demand. there. Yeah, read it. Go ahead and read it. For $100, he says, I've cooked food in a dining room that seats 60 and probably encounter close to 1,000 people a day for 30 years. Same job. Society has retarded. How does our culture come back from this planned

decline? One family at a time, really. Yeah. That was that, that's that's it. It's you, one person at a time, then one family at a time, then one community at a time, then one town

it like it's we've got to reclaim our power and I I think you know I'm a you know a conspiracy theorist but I'm also an idealist in a lot of ways and I think that we can when we were doing us EIPE have it on the brain because we're the mandate was issued on Friday to send us back down to the trial court and I so I'm back at trial I got the notification today that the trial court has accepted the mandate I don't think we have any choice in the matter it's just a system update but It's like, okay, that's where we are now. Now we're back pre-trial. And USCIP was literally the most beautiful change project I've ever been a part of.

And I've been part of dozens of them. And it was so beautiful because there was no bureaucracy. There wasn't really a rule set. I mean, you know, common law and the, you know, kind of protection of the First Amendment as our guide, right? like we can speak and assemble and associate. But there was no, you know, coming in and control. It was an idea that people believed in and wanted to be a part of,

find the truth, expose the truth, and restore election integrity. It's very simple and people wanted to be a part of it. And people showed up to help. And all we did was point them towards their county and tell them to think about what they were good at, right? Because that's really where, like,

if we're going to solve this, we have to reignite that, that spirit of, did you ever see the movie, robots? I feel like I'm all over the place. I know I'm all over the place. Robin Williams is a robot and this

is see a need, fill a need. I was just really cool. I'm thinking of Bicentennial man where he's also a robot. No, this is animated. It's like a Pixar thing.

Oh, yeah, yes. Yeah, yeah. Good movie. Yeah, actually, I recall. it being very good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so that like see a need, fill a need is if everybody in their

community did that. And I, you know, generally when I think about inverting our reality to the betterment of all of us, I think a lot about the abortion issue. Because what we saw with the abortion issue is Roe versus Wade made it a national thing and it was kind of stuck, right? Then the, the pro-life industry and the pro-choice industry. grew to be very, very large, right? And then President Trump, well, the court that President Trump appointed, the Supreme Court returned the question to the state. And we saw both sides of that problem mad about it.

Neither side was happy that the question was returned to the states because their entire existence depends upon there being one answer to this at a national level that supports their moral, worldview and we are way too divided of a society for that. I mean, some people are lighting up buildings and pink when they pass abortion. They're having all like it's, it's despicable death cult, right, is what it is. But the fact that neither of them are happy, can you imagine if those industries, the pro choice and the pro life industries and all of the money that goes into them all of the resources and all of the legal power all of the legal minds that have gone into it all of

the the dealing and associations and everything that has been that has gone into that fight since 1973 it was actually poured into the communities to help women in crisis to help make you know to help make the family experience in the united states of it was how help women have choices It's not to say that women still wouldn't end up in crisis pregnancy situations and want to have an abortion. But right now, you're told by society largely, right, because the pro-life message doesn't get a lot of, you know, mainstream airtime, right? You're told that you can either have an abortion or your life is over as a woman because you have this baby you didn't expect. And that's the choice. And that's been conditioned and conditioned for generations now in the minds of women.

women that this issue is the hill to die on. Nobody is thinking, how do we actually mitigate the real problem, which is, you know, you'll never, you'll never mitigate crisis pregnancies, right? That's, it's always going to be a thing. But the response to that, the, the ability for, you know, people that find themselves in that situation to get support so that, that child who is, you know, and the future, right, isn't born into poverty. It's not even on people's minds because they want to win the moral argument. They want to force all of society to align with their moral worldview about whether unfettered open access to baby murder, you know, for all of time. You can't even ask questions about it.

Or if you even think about it, we're going to prosecute you, pregnant women, right? And that's and that's where the battle is being fought. that serves the regime. That only serves the centralization, you know, the centralization versus decentralization thing. And that's, it's because it got centralized into a national issue, then it made the individual communities irrelevant. And that's where the river meets the road, because it's in the individual communities that girls are getting into these situations.

And individual churches need to step up, but, oh, no, we need to, you know, go on political which that's not to say churches weren't stepping up. I mean, there's a lot of churches that support like New Life Pregnancy Center and there's, you know, those types of places all over. A hell of a lot more Planned Parenthoods, I think. Oh, yeah, for sure. And there's a lot more resources available for that too. Large part because they're getting stolen from the centralized governing powers that just reach into our pockets and pay for, you know, whatever disgusting cause that they want to, you know, pay for. Which all, you know, that's a very, very, very, visceral aspect of them being a death cold, but ultimately it's all, whether you're killing someone

immediately or you're killing somebody slowly, it's still a death cold. Yeah. It is. It is. And that's, you know, that's, that's, that's just the way that goes. But I don't, like, this is the, this is where I end up at odds with the pro life people because they're, it's, they're, they're looking for the same solution that the pro choice people are looking for. And that, that solution is that they can wield the power of the federal government to stop this very intimate moral sin issue. Right? Like and and that's a predictive outcome of this system, by the way, to fight over the sword to wield it against the minority once you get the majority. And the thing that's tragic and this I think probably speaks to the overall purpose, you know, the controlled opposition

dynamic of pro-life versus pro-choice, that to think that if we got rich, which they're probably not saying this stuff out loud, but it works out to be this way. If we got rid of the abortion, then we have nothing to fundraise on. But then to your point, no, now- They already dropped their cards on that. They already showed their cards on it. Yeah, but it's like, now we, now we can, we don't have to spend the money to fight it on the national level. Now we can take all the money that we're raising and we can help these these girls in distress and these babies in distress. Yeah. And, you know. Yeah. Now here. So so ever ever at home says plan parenthood was selling baby parts. Now that we can make fucking illegal. That and oh yeah. How is it not already illegal?

One. Two, they were doing that on the down low. And as I understand it, and before they got caught, it was like black market kind of thing. Prosecute the hell out of that. That has that that has nothing to do with their protected right that is despicable barbarism and i think it should go i think that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law do you think mr spooner that uh they should be allowed to sell baby parts no of course not because for one thing that bay that part of that the body belonged to that baby was taken away from the baby against the store against yeah i mean that's rather crass but that's true that's the fundamental property right is the property right is the property right is the right of your own body, which, you know, which they'll say a baby doesn't have any way,

even outside of the womb, an infant can't decide, doesn't have autonomy over its own body. So the argument is dead. That's why a first principle's argument is important because otherwise you just become a sliding scale of morality, and that's not morality at all. That's moral relativism, and that is Satanism. Well, isn't the first principle's view of this that life begins at the human rights, rather, begin at conception. Yeah,

absolutely. What else would you get them? There can be no other point because that's when the, in my, you know, I'm a huge scientist, so I'm going to rely on science right now, but the moment when the unique human DNA is formed,

is the moment that the human becomes a human and the rights are, and the rights are self-evident. They're inherent. Yeah, I mean, whatever is by the creator. is. Yeah. Whatever the conception actually is, you know, whether that's as soon as the sperm, you know, meets up with the egg and, you know, has a party, that is at that point in time, you know, that person

is in full possession of the same authority that I have as a fully grown man. Because if those rights aren't bestowed until later, well, then it's not natural rights. Then that, that human being is property until some predetermined point. You can look at it more, and this actually ties into Spooner's poverty essay, because he talks about a bailment style of credit and, you know, creditors and debtors, debtors, where you're essentially the custodian of the value of something. So you could argue that the parents are the custodians, you know, guardians, the custodians of that child.

But, and so there's certain points, which, you know, in my house, my children. because that's what Thomas Jefferson said about all of us when he did the Louisiana purchase and went outside of his authorities, was that he was basically the custodian doing what's right for his wards. Yeah, and I actually, I would say that's probably a, if he was the king and did that and found a way to, you know, get money lawfully and use it to buy land and make it available to more Americans, then that's kind of a gray area. But as far as, you know, in my home,

kids are allowed to, you know, they're not allowed to say certain words, which they learned from their mother. Sure. Well, that's funny. I haven't, I haven't met your wife, but you're not a big swearer. I know that. Well, I work in a factory, so it's, there are words that are like, um, and like that are not suitable for the airways, but they're not allowed to say those words, and that's violation of free speech. Like, okay, this is my. house. It's my rules. And you're, you know, so there are certain rights that children certainly have that they don't, this isn't their property. This is my house. You know, this is my rules, my house. So there's ways you can parse that out and, you know, to get into nitty gritty. But at the end of the

day, yeah, natural right is something that you get at conception. Yeah. And there's no other point that it can be. And ultimately honoring the reason why I think abortion became such a, an issue that it became is because collectively as a culture, we were valuing rights less and less. And when you value rights less and less, because these are human rights, you therefore start to value humans less and less because I think those things are intertwined. And so, like, a person who owns another human being clearly does not value human life. They're willing to turn a human being into property. So if you're just willing to turn...

Sorry, God. Well, if you're willing to turn a baby just into a clump of selves, you're losing your humanity. Yeah. Because you've lost sight of the fact that rights are a human. It's an aspect of being human. You can't separate them. Yeah, I think that's right. And if you think about how rights have been framed, like think about in 2026,

who are the people that are fighting for their rights vocally? And with, you know, fervor. It's, well, it's, it really comes down to writing, I have a right to not be offended and because I am X or, you know, I have X or I do X or whatever, right? Insert intersectionality. Insert, yeah. I have a right to not be offended and you all have to accept me. Eat a fucking dick.

I don't have to accept you actually. and I don't have to participate in your sin and I don't have to participate in your delusions. It's actually a violation of my rights for you to use the power, the force of the state, the threat of violence up to and including, you know, taking my life by the executioner,

as you call the government, the force of government to avoid your own offense. Who the hell do you think you are? I'm going to try to offend you just to prove, that you cannot exercise the authority that you're claiming you have right now. And if you had come to me and said, hey, I'm a purple butterfly and my pronouns are, you know, flat my wings. And I want you to, you know, it's really offensive to me.

If you came at me nice and asked me that and we had some sort of interaction, we're in a workplace together. I've worked with a bunch of trans people. Nobody ever, you know, went by purple butterfly. But these conversations come up with us. I'm not going to go out of my way to offend you. If you're saying that you're going to use the threat of state force to make sure that I don't offend you, oh, baby, game on. Oh, absolutely.

I think we're in this situation because people have lost, they've lost the game when it comes to rights. They don't understand what rights actually are. Right. because we stopped talking about going back to that quote from you at the beginning of the you know the Badlands intro you know the values

that found you know founded this country that we used to talk about we don't talk about we need to talk about that and rights is a deeply fundamental issue that needs to be brought back because going forward

we're going to be right going back to my whole point about the golden age and if we don't understand how we got here we're going to be right back here it's out of the frying pan into the fire and huge part of that conversation is what actually are our rights

what actually is our prerogatives what is our actual authority and going back to my point about consent is the authority to say no and things like that thinking those things through and it is distressing when people just get caught up

in that election cycle where that's their only avenue they can have influence on the government it's like man the best influence you can have in the government is first of all understand what government actually is, and then understand what your position is in relation to it in relation to your fellow man. And that goes back to the conversation of rights.

And also understand your position in relation to God, because that's ultimately the most important in this ecosystem. And when government is trying to get you to, you know, like this is my current issue, right? One of them. I have many. state of Colorado, taxpayer-funded abortion in the Constitution now. We're all a part of this now, right? We're all a part of this portfolio of work

that we'll have to, you know, stand before God for. And that's, it's heavy. What do you have coming up next and where can people find you? They can come to my no treasoned telegram chat, t.combe slash the no treason podcast. It vibes every now and again, but Sunday nights, 7 o'clock central, 8 o'clock Eastern on Badlands, the No Treason podcast.

We're going through the poverty essay from Lysander Spooner. And most immediately, I'll be joining General Quast and Chris Ponder on Wednesday to discuss the framework, the information framework that Chris has been working on. We talked this evening. It was a really interesting conversation. And we're going to be discussing how. to be grounded in space. So we're touching back on the topic that I enjoy with the ether and how that coincides,

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