Badlands Media - MAHA News [3.27] Undoing Major Healthcare FRAUD, ACIP Committee, Made in America Initiative

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Jordan Sather and Nate Prince break down a wave of developments surrounding healthcare fraud, regulatory battles, and shifting priorities in American health policy. The episode opens with discussion of a newly convened federal task force targeting widespread fraud in hospice and autism centers, with figures like RFK Jr., Dr. Oz, and JD Vance tied to the broader push to expose systemic abuse within the healthcare system. They then dive into escalating turmoil around the ACIP committee, including a federal court ruling that halted its authority, ongoing legal challenges from the American Academy of Pediatrics, and questions about conflicts of interest and transparency. The hosts explore what potential restructuring or disbanding of the committee could mean for vaccine policy and public trust moving forward. The conversation also touches on the Made in America initiative, with a focus on agriculture and renewed attention on American farmers following recent statements from Trump. The episode closes with broader health discussions, audience Q&A, and reflections on where these overlapping developments could be heading next.

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Welcome, Maha fam. What up, Nate Dogg. What up, Jordan? Stoke to be here, man. For another weekend. What up, man? All right. Friday, March 27.

In today's discussion, we've got quite a bit of fraud, health care fraud to discuss Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dr. Oz, J.D. Vance today, because there was a, I guess, the first convening of the task force on eliminating fraud in the country. They met. J.D. Vance was talking about the hospice centers and the autism centers and health care fraud. So we'll start off with that. Then we shall dive into news on the ASIC committee, the CDC's vaccine oversight committee. And, you know, we, touched on that last week, how there's kind of some infiltration

in that, and there's also a lawsuit they're dealing with from the American Academy of Pediatrics, and some liberal judge cited with the AAP, so temporarily disbanding ASIP. We've got some more news on that.

And then a few other things, too. The Made in America Initiative, talking about farmers a little bit. Trump had some statements on farmers today, and then we'll finish up just general health discussion maybe take some Q&A

hang out for a while so if you have any questions, save them more towards the end or if you want to throw a super chat then we can have it logged and we'll get to it super chats will get to right away general Q&A will get to the

get to towards the end but that's what's on deck man cool it sounds like a good list I mean it was if I feel like it was kind of a quiet week up until the last two days and then all of a sudden it was just like a blitz of stuff just hit us all at once. Yeah. Yeah.

Good news for us in this show, though. We got stuff to talk about. Have you, out of curiosity, the White House starting to post all those kind of cryptic images. Have you looked at this app that, is it an app that they released? Yeah, I think part of those cryptic pixel images, part of that has to do with this White House app, which I did download. and it's kind of just the White House website in app form. I think part of it has to do with a website that the government's launching soon called freedom.gov,

which that looks a little more interesting, but that's outside the scope of this conversation. Yeah. Outside the scope of Maha, but, yeah, I mean, so many people were trying to decode those pixel images and it just turned out to be an app and a website. Anyway, some of that. Well, it'll be interesting.

I just wonder if it's focused on transparency, which is I think what I saw mentioned, I just wonder if we won't see anything on there regarding, you know, Mahan news, pharmaceutical health, that sort of thing in there as transparency as well. Yeah, on this, I mean, on this app, they do have a section, they do have a section on Trump RX on there. Yeah. and let's see it doesn't look like there's much maha oh yeah there's a section on maha okay maha initiative but when you tap that it just takes you to the whitehouse dot-gov website browser so

there's a couple things maha related on this app but not much you know they just launch but they're still filling it out so yeah keep an eye on it see what happens yeah Sweet. All right. Let's get into it. RFK Jr. talking about the Biden White House ordering HHS to ignore fraud. I'm not partisan person, but I, one of the things that I found out from people in my agency was they were ordered by the Biden White House not to do program integrity. in other words not to enforce against fraud and they said they were told we want to focus on only enrollment and getting more and more people into the system i'm not and of course part of that enrollment involved non-us citizens interesting you know nick shirley and his recent expose

first he focused on the daycares in minneapolis and his last one he focused on the hospice centers in LA. And healthcare is a very easy avenue to conduct fraud with because of how many people are sick and weak in society. And it pulls on people's heartstrings too. I'm like, oh, I'm going to save grandma. I'm going to save the kids. I'm going to save, you know, it's a savior complex. And then knowing people or knowing people in government just go, okay, that's great. You're gonna save people here's a bunch of cash here's a million bucks how how dare you how dare you question our initiative to help autistic children exactly great virtue signaling and we saw that during COVID you know how dare you not wear the mask to save

grandma how dare you not follow the social distancing to save our health it's great virtue signaling so I can explain why what 50 isn't it 50 50% of our budget goes towards healthcare in this country, federally, annually? Yeah, I don't know the exact number on that, but it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, I think it's about 50%. And how much of that, which would be if, I think it's around $7 trillion annual federal budget, if three to four trillion of that, we'll say three, 40, 45-ish percent goes towards health care, then what percent of that $3 trillion is just pure fraud?

1 to 1.5 trillion? Dude, that's insane. Yeah, even if it's, even if it was 10% that amount, that's insane. And from what we've seen, I would imagine that before Doge came on the scene, it was significant. Right. Still plenty of fraud to deal with though because a lot of that fraud is coming at the state level. So, uh, true. Now here's Dr. Oz on identifying and rooting out health care fraud.

He's speaking on the, uh, hospices here. Well, let me start with something that is on all of your minds, because we've been hearing from you about it, which is the fraud, the waste, and the abuse, which we believe is taking $100 billion out of our health care system. Wow. But more than the money. So that's about the 10% you just said.

You know, if that'd be like 5%. If we're assuming healthcare spending per year is a few trillion, that's, it's at least $100 billion. Anyway. Yeah. That they know of, too. Yeah, that's like low end. Like very low end.

To steal someone's cash, you're willing to steal their health and even their life. And we're witnessing this happen in states around the country. Our administration has sent letters to Minnesota, where you saw what happened with Somalians and others taking advantage of the system, an autism program that was supposed to be $3 million. They lied and got mothers to lie that their kids were autistic. That's now a $400 million budget.

The best tip of the iceberg. We've deferred a fair amount of money to them already to make sure that they fix some of the past building they've done, but there's lots more going on. Los Angeles, the city of Los Angeles, has one-third of all the hospices in the entire country. Not California, literally, in the entire country, one-third of our hospices are in Los Angeles.

That's impossible unless you're literally looking the other way, pretending it's not happening. We're seeing fraud in New York State where the number one job of all, Matt, the number one job of all is not retail. You think about Manhattan and Fifth Avenue, the number one job in New York State now is being a personal care assistant.

Basically, you call up and say, I can't get the groceries upstairs. I want to hire my son. So the state hires your son. Federal taxpayers picking up a fair amount of the tab, most of the tab. And now that has become a jobs program in New York State, which I'm concerned about because we're hearing that unions

are trying to get involved to unionize these folks, which just becomes a further grift on the system. And again, this is not a flaw for many. It's a feature of what they're doing. When they are able to do things that allow more, individuals to get on these programs by law when you sign someone up for Medicaid you also have to offer them voter registration so interesting wow isn't that uh not a flaw but a feature and a side benefit good they got it's like a whole system it's like hey you come over here we got your job lined up

we got your health care lined up we got your food lined up we got your housing lined up And here's a ballot for you. Wow. Yeah. And of course, they're going to vote for the party that allows them these handouts. Yeah, a thousand percent. Dude, it's a whole system. It's like jump on this gravy train.

That's insane. Insane. And then today at the convening of the task force to eliminate fraud, which J.D. Vance is heading up. he also discusses health care fraud. This is not just theft of the American people's money. This is also theft of critical services that the American people rely on. Some of you have heard me tell the story before,

but I think that the autism scam that we've seen in the Somalian parts of Minnesota really illustrates well what's been going on across whole layers of our government. So you have a program set up under Medicaid to help autistic children and their families, get the resources that they need because of course we know that when you have a kid who's on the spectrum it requires a little bit more help a little bit more services and so the government you know enforcing the mandate from the American people to be kind and compassionate to our citizens has set up this program to help families who are dealing with these particular struggles now what we've seen is Somali fraudsters at an industrial scale taking advantage of that program

to the tune of millions and millions of dollars and there are two separate tragedies there. The first tragedy is that you have people who pay into the federal government, who pay into the IRS, who pay their taxes expecting that those taxes will go to help their fellow citizens. It's not going there. It's going to help fraudsters. That's tragedy number one. And the more important tragedy is that you have families who need these services who are unable to get them because people are getting rich off of fraud schemes instead of making sure that autistic children and their families get access to these resources. And unfortunately, that story, while it's very concrete and very obvious what we're seeing in Minneapolis,

it is replayed again and again and again across many states and across many different programs. It would be nice if we just dealt with the root cause and prevented autism from happening in the first place. Yeah, horrible situation with all the money that siphoned out of the budgets. JD Vance here also discussing, yeah, talks a little bit more about the autism scheme, but he sounds pretty racist. Name dropping the Somalis. How dare he? Yeah, I'm sure we'll see the reeing about it here pretty soon. Mogadishu is the, it's either the first or second fastest growing city in the world over the past 10 years.

And I wonder why. If you look at photos of their downtown skyscrapers 10 years ago versus today, there's a lot more buildings there. Yeah. Why? Where do they get those billions? You're welcome. Let's move on a little bit. Speaking of fraud to immigrants.

USDA cancels a $300 million program that was helping farmers, farmers buy land and the mainstream media all triggered about this yeah with headlines like that pretty easy to get triggered right but the thing is they were this program was going to assisting disadvantaged people which included the projects were especially targeted to address land access land access I love how phrased that one. Issues facing black farmers, immigrant farmers, indigenous farmers vets, and other

underrepresented groups. Illegal immigrants. This program was going to help illegal immigrants by American land. And also when you purely focus on race, it is by definition racist.

True. Good. Shut it down. Cut that waste. Yep. Next, Senator Ron Johnson. He just released nearly 2,000 pages of HHS records showing the Biden admin's failure to warn the public about serious safety concerns linked to the Pfizer COVID booster

that they discovered as early as November 2022. I sent Kennedy a letter with preliminary findings based on HHS records showing that the Biden admin was aware of a statistically significant safety signal for ischemic stroke in individuals 65 years or older following the Pfizer booster. Point being, they knew. Yeah. They knew. Eventually, hopefully all of this stuff will come to fruition, you know, like it'll bear some

fruit where we can all be like, ah, finally. You know, because I feel like internally, every time we see, something like this. It's just like, yeah, and. Yeah. You know? I mean, I think I think we're getting there. I mean, was it last, last episode, I can't remember the terminology for it, but it's like damage caused by the COVID-19 vaccines are given a code that is referenced, that doctors can reference, right? They are the ICD10 codes. Yes.

There is a organization, I think they are filing a petition or trying to get an ICD10 code created for vaccine injury, COVID vaccine injury specifically, not general vaccine injury, but COVID vaccine. It hasn't been introduced into the ICD10 system, but they're getting public comment. and petitioning for it. Okay. So it would push, yeah. That'd be great if they could get it in that.

But that would be a little process of getting a new ICD10 code and what all that involves. Yeah. All right, let's talk ASIP. Well, let's just play this clip. Yeah. And then we'll discuss. Robert Malone talking to Del Bigtree here.

Bobby appointed someone. to be operationally in charge of the ASIP and a number of other aspects of the CDC. And that person appears to have been a mold. Is it still a hostile environment inside of these regulatory agencies and the government? Dell, it's it's guerrilla warfare. My comments to Bobby at when he called me and asked me to stay on and I said, no, I'm sorry, I don't know. I don't think the CDC is redeemable.

A lot of those people are very, very entrenched. very, very entrenched in the safe and effective narrative. And they also, many of these people, they have culpability. And particularly as it relates to the COVID crisis in terms of suppression of information, manipulation of data. The people that are in there are the ones that have dirty hands. And Bobby's gotten rid of some of them. Now, there's something even worse, though, that has been covered in all of this.

is I'm not going to name a name, but Bobby appointed somebody to be operationally in charge of the ASIP and a number of other aspects of the CDC. And that person appears to have been a mole. The word saboteur has been used. Wow. And I warned Bobby about it, but Bobby didn't think that was the case. But now it's come clear from that person's actions that they've done a lot of damage. So why stepped down? I wanted you in there. We needed you in there. We needed you in there. there, what made you come to this conclusion? Yeah, this thing is a hot mess. It's not serving its function. It's really a fool's errand. We put thousands of hours. We're treated like chattel. The disrespect, frankly, from the government has just been longstanding and profound, this kind of, well,

we're going to tell you what to say and when to say, Ed's, we don't want you to talk about vaccine harms, and we don't want you to recommend that the PEP Act, protection be pulled. They have never provided any cover for us with all these attacks that we've been sustaining. These people have been run through the ringer. They've lost grants. They've been isolated professionally. The governance attitude is basically we're expendable. You've got thousands of hours from 17 high. Oh, here's our new. Are these the new ACEP voting members here? Wait, there's a complete new board already? Yeah, I

Can you grok that real quick? You got grok handy? So yeah, you do that real quick while I talk. Remember last week if you tuned into Mahan News last Friday, we were covering what's been going on with the ASIP. One of those issues is that lawsuit

with the American Academy of Pediatrics. Judge Brian Murphy put ASIP on ICE ruling in favor of AAP. Judge said that the current ASIP panel, or the one, the original one, lacks expertise. So the American Academy of Pediatrics sued the CDC's ASIP committee because of their vaccine recommendations they've been making over the past few months, and the judge cited with AAP to effectively pause,

and that effectively paused any ASIP hearings, any ASIP decisions, to which it looks like Robert Malone here has recently straight up quit over the last couple of days. But also, there was one other thing that happened in that early last week, there was an internal document from the ASIP committee that was not supposed to be publicized. And somehow it got leaked and made its way to the public. Do you remember where that document was about, Nate?

Yeah, I think it was all of the internal, it was all the internal information talking about what we were just discussing, the ICD-10 codes and COVID-19 vaccine injuries that were reported. through the very system. So I think it was addressing, it was basically all the ASIP meeting notes and thoughts on the vaccine injury. Yes. Leaked,

is this showing? Leaked report to federal advisors calls for urgent recognition of COVID vaccine injuries. Yes. And this report was not supposed to be publicized. And there was somebody, there was, it sounds like Robert Malone here is describing as a mole,

there was a saboteur somewhere either in ASIP or around ASIP they were probably the ones that leaked this that caused more problems at ASIP and now it looks like Robert Malone has quit did you find anything on this group Nate yeah so it doesn't look like anything has changed it's just that so when that judge made that stay it basically kind of paused any judgments that ASIP had made ever since Kennedy got all the new people in there, like all of everything that they've done has basically been put on this. It's been sidelined. And and ever since then, it's just, it's just basically it's dead. So there's nothing is happening. Nothing has changed and no changes they made in that whole time really count at this point. Dude, it, it must be really bad for Malone to be

like fuck it I'm out yeah and the ASIP charter comes up for renewal on April 1st in like four days the informed consent action network just sent a letter to Kennedy urging him to use that moment to amend it okay we might have more ASIP news next Friday to talk about Kennedy might might amend the ASIP charter. I wonder what amending it, like what would he be able, I wonder what he would be able to do with it. I mean, like, can he, I don't know. Just disband it and make all the decisions himself.

I don't know if that's legally possible or whatever, but, you know, a recent federal court decision suspended the appointments of all 13 ASIP members, Kennedy appointed and invalidated every vote the committee has taken since those members joined. Doesn't that include all the vaccines schedule reworking that's been done? Yes. Yes, it does. The court's basis was that the committee lacked fair balance. As if it was fair at any point in history before this? Yeah, I mean, that was one of the main drivers why Kennedy disqualification.

disbanded the original ASIP members was because most of them had severe conflicts of interest. No doubt. Yeah. Sorry. Kennedy has the full discretion and authority to revise the ASIP Charter as he sees fit. He has the power to set the criteria for new members and bring the charter into alignment with its governing documents before April 1st. Just disband it. What the hell do we need it for?

I don't know. Yeah, I guess what I would like to understand more is how, I guess, how ASIP, how that agency or how that group influences the decision, do they influence the decisions that the FDA sets for vaccines? I don't know. Right. I mean, they're not policymakers themselves. They're voting on recommendations, but who has the final say?

on if those recommendations are put into law or policy or not. Right. Right. Because, I mean, if the FDA is involved with patents for vaccinations, is that the FDA that had the patents for vaccinations or the NIH? I can't remember which. I think NIH or CDC sounds. Yeah.

I don't know. What a convoluted mess. We think the health care system is simple, but good golly. miss molly it's not yeah which is i mean that's the kind of stuff though that erin syri and i think malone are working towards is like how and rfk is how do we create a system that cannot be uh basically bought off and that provides you know uh provides policy based on real science i yeah think we're gonna see a complete reworking all right guys we're gonna get to talking about the fda reform next but first we have a quick word from today's sponsor and that is rumble wallet

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Because I guess the Trump Kennedy Center now. Every single clinical trial. for routine childhood vaccinations is unethical by the British medical journals standards. Yeah, that's basically what he was describing in that. What was the name of that documentary? That was a inconvenient study? Yeah, yep. Yeah, it's pretty much exactly what Aaron Sear was describing in that documentary,

how they do the whole fabricated study process. Yeah. Video of his talk at the Kennedy Center. why vaccine companies can kill with impunity. And now, so just for background, Aaron Siri, he is like the main, a lawyer, attack dog for children's health defense, which is, they've correct me if I'm wrong, Jordan, but they're the ones that seem to be, like they have an open case right now. Is it against the FDA for COVID vaccines, I believe? okay yeah I'm unaware of that lawsuit

but you're right about Aaron Siri he's like one of the top lawyers in the country going after the vaccine industry it's cool that he did this talk at the Trump Kennedy Center because that is like

a very prominent institution in D.C. Yeah cool they would let him do that yeah I mean I I can't help but wonder. I mean, so it's one thing you have an attorney that's standing up here and he's talking about, you know,

reforming the FDA and the HHS and the NIH and the CDC. Great. But will, does he actually have the ability or the teeth to move forward and make any of that happen? Aaron Siri? No, he doesn't. I mean, he doesn't have authority. He can sue and try to get things. changed but you know lawsuits may or may not have success so we just think it's cool that

the the kennedy center the trump kennedy center allowed him to do that yeah it is uh we just got a super chat yeah eleanor thank you so much for that thank you jordan and nate as a nurse these six years have been an awakening loved the wednesday show discussing dmso You've been using it for years, and the research that we shared is pretty solid. Thank you very much. Sweet. Thank you. Yes.

Don't forget, we do our Maha Living show every Wednesday. It's kind of our supplemental midweek show on single topics, and this week's Maha Living show is on DMSO. Dimethyl sulfoxide, so check. out Maha Living on Wednesdays. We do all those pre-recorded though. Friday streams we're here live but our schedules just don't allow us to stream live on the Wednesday so we always pre-record those. Cool. Now made in USA initiative. Born here, raised here, harvested here, processed here, you are going to start seeing this little sticker, this little symbol on any produce,

especially beef raised here in the States pretty neat there we go that's cool more of a more of a meat symbol

but uh you'll probably start seeing it on chicken and turkey and beef but uh you know doesn't mean it's been raised well just saying just because it has that sticker on it

doesn't mean it's quality beef cool it's here in the states but we know very well it could have still been raised in a in an animal prison fed shit shot up with antibiotics and uh yeah you know you know so let's not kid ourselves i mean if if this is it uh it will be nice to know though that you're eating beef that came from within the United States and not China or Argentina. Yeah, they didn't have to get frozen and then traverse the world for two months to get here, store shelves. It would be a lot pressure per se having a USA produced product.

And also, your money is at least staying nationally when you purchase it. So yeah, I'll definitely be looking for products that have this sticker on it, but I'm not going to be ignorant and think that this sticker means it's like amazing quality. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, like you said, I'd rather eat American beef slop than Chinese beef slop. Just saying. If I had to eat one of the slops. If I had to eat.

And then today, Trump held an event at the White House supporting American farmers. The single largest gathering of American farmers the White House has ever seen. Show the crowd. Show the crowd. Show the crowd. Show the crowd. It did some PR for the farmers today. Farmers and ranchers across the country gather at the White House to celebrate U.S. agriculture.

Here's my question to you, Nate. what is there to celebrate with U.S. agriculture? There is, don't be wrong. There's plenty of great organic farmers and people doing the right thing and all that. But it's just we see so much of the PR, and yet it's almost designed to make us forget about the issues within our agricultural system.

Yeah, I feel like maybe there's been some big wins for the huge key players in the agricultural industry. But as far as for smaller farms, I feel like we're still have yet to be seen. Don't get me wrong. I have faith that the Trump administration is working to change things for the better, especially RFK Jr. I got a lot of faith in RFK Jr.

But as we were talking about in the beginning, the show, celebrating the farmers, there's almost some virtue signaling in that. And that if you start questioning the corruption of big ag and the agricultural industry, then you are blamed as being against the farmer or something like that. It's like, yeah, let's celebrate agriculture. Anti-farmine? What about what about biotech companies

forcing these farmers to purchase patented seeds every single year? What about all the freaking pesticides these farmers either choose or almost have to use on their crops?

What about all these government subsidized monocrops like corn and soy that they grow? Dude, it's like there's so many issues with U.S. agriculture. Yeah.

out of here with your celebrating. Let's celebrate fixing it, not just jerk ourselves off by looking at all the corn we grow and think that's great. Sick of it, man. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for ranting there. No, I mean, I think it's good to keep perspective and not just get sucked into the propaganda. Because let's be real.

That's what that was. Yeah. and this post from the USDA is a little better small processors keep rural America running for nearly 30 years USDA is used outdated definitions that don't always reflect how these businesses operate yeah that's better support the smaller processors the smaller farmers

but let's just not forget that the small farmers are often can be screwed by the big players in biotech and big ag. I would much rather see the USDA and Trump, I guess, focus on the little guys, you know, the small processors, the small farmers, the small ranchers, and see, you know, small wins, even if they're small wins, for more of them. I think that would be much more substantial for the health of our country than John Deere, you know,

in America and some of what they're doing is helping the small farmers like that sticker that sticker will help yeah yeah you know but you know what I can't help but wonder though what do they have to do to get that sticker is it the same kind of bullshit that they had to do to get you know organic on GMO sticker you got a meet all now you got to pay for this license you have to have this inspection and blah blah blah blah you know like yeah I hope there's not a bunch of hoops they have to jump through for that but um it seems like what they do to help the small farmer is also helping the giant corporations i would like to see some separation

where the USDA and the trump admin do something that helps the small farmer but fucks over the giant corporations give us some separation there yeah i don't want to keep continue seeing things that just help both. Like, ban one of these goddamn GMO seeds for once, or require it to go through some more, some actual

studies, some gold science studies. Like, the co-founder of Moderna just launched a new company called Toronto Biosciences, developing RNA-based sprays, designed to be applied directly to crops.

Can you please put that through some freaking safety studies that are legitimate? Instead of just spraying RNA pesticides on our crops. Yeah. One of Tarana's three product categories is explicitly described as performing like a programmable vaccine, training plants to recognize pathogens, and destroy them before they become infections. I really hope that this doesn't get classified as a fertilizer. That's an interesting point. It's a fertilizer vaccine.

M RNA fertilizer. There's a new category that you're going to start seeing on Home Depot shells. RNA spray. Train your plants to be bigger and stronger. F that, man. Yeah, I kind of wish we could just put everything on hold.

Let's just take a step back. You know, look at the health of our country, the health of our children, realize that whatever we're doing, it's not working. Take a step back. Let's just go back to, you know, cow shit and good old-fashioned fertilizers for a minute. All right, guys, we are going to finish up with

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I don't think any corporation. I'm sure he extends that to vaccines as well. Fully agree. Yeah. We got, who's David Sinclair? Do you know who that is? No, that's the, I think he owns a company. I think he's also a doctor.

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Sorry. Right now their gene therapy costs about $10 million to manufacture. It requires a direct injection into the target organ. So Sinclair's team made a break through, they found that the three age reversal genes aren't the only path to resetting cells. They discovered chemicals that do the same thing. In mice, they can now give an animal a liquid,

not genes, not injections, a drink and rejuvenate tissues in four weeks. Sinclair says it's now normal for a student to casually report, we just rejuvenated the ear. We rejuvenated the skin. He calls his lab Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory because the discovery is blown him away every week. Prediction for I get to that. Oh, okay. This must be, it looks kind of goofy. He kind of looks like a relative of Will Ferrell, just a little bit. Just saying it's got a little welfare all syndrome going on.

Oh, God. What was I watching recently where he looks exactly like the guy? It's going to bother me. Anyway, I know it. Dude, I mean, what does that mean in the first place? We just rejuvenated the ear. Somebody can hear better from your $100 drink. Juvenated the skin.

What's in the drink? I don't know, man. It would just be nice if we lived lifestyles, our whole lives. It didn't bring us. Ill disease in the first place. Dude, I don't know, man. I yeah I 100% agree I got it I have to say though like a lizard can rejuvenate you know lost a lost tail like there's all sorts of amazing mysteries still yet to be untapped that exist in nature and I think it's going to take research like most likely similar to what this guy's doing for us to start unveiling some of that and so maybe Maybe, you know, generally speaking, I would say chemicals are bad.

Don't put them in the body. But maybe we have a limited understanding of what chemicals are and what they could be. Just throwing it out there. I'm just saying I'm not totally closed off to the idea of what this guy is doing. He kind of looks like Chris Ray. A little bit. It's the no. Maybe an age reversed Chris Ray.

Maybe he's been drinking some of his own drink. He's a rejuvenated Chris Ray. No, I mean, I would try it. Don't get me wrong. I'd for sure try, I don't know, $100 magic rejuvenation drink, but I'm not going to depend on it by any means. No. And I think people greatly underestimate the simple things.

Like, I've been getting into gardening the past couple of weeks, and I've been outside just playing in the dirt and getting my hands. hands dirty and it feels like it feels rejuvenating or I'll go outside and just laying in the sun for 20 minutes. Damn, I feel good when I do that, right? Yeah, dude. Yep. Or just, I don't know, it's basic like strenuous exercise or going for a swim or I don't know, man. I freaking love busting out my juicer and hot diggedy darn. I feel good after doing that. I think people greatly underestimate the simple things,

and then they don't do them, and then they complain about how tired and weak they are, and then they look for $100 AI gene juices to, you should call it gene juice. That'd be a good seller. well i i would also say i think the viewpoint changes possibly a little bit you know the older that you get as you start seeing your body changing because of aging um it's like no amount of juicing is gonna you know i kind of get that like um i definitely don't feel like how i did in my early 20s 15 years ago

but it's just the cycle of life that you have to become, you have to accept. I think a lot of people just have spiritual and mental issues where they can't accept the aging. I don't know, I'm fine with relaxing a bit more. Just make sure I do my stretching and mobility routine so my back didn't hurt or all my joints feel all right. It's just, yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man. I don't want to live to 100. I don't.

Dude, I don't want to be like one of those. I'd be good at like 80. I'd be good at 80. And so there's this guy Mark Sisson. And I think his information is incredible if you ever wanted to dive into it. Yeah, what? One of his motto is,

live long, drop dead. He's like, that's the slow decay into disease. You know, like he says, that's not the way to do it. Live long, drop dead. That's how our bodies are basically made to go. This guy is juice to the gills, though. Maybe. Maybe.

18 years old, at least. How old is Sisson? Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely 70-something. He just had hip replacement not too long ago. Well, it sounds like he's about to the drop phase. Getting there. I mean, yeah, once I get to mid-60s, I'll do TRT.

Hell yeah. I don't give a shit. But I'm not going to be in my 30s or even my 40s doing. TRT. I'm gonna wait to do that. But 65, I'll probably start hitting the TRT and then just see how long I can go. But I love that, that idea. Yeah. Live long, just drop. I refuse to have like a decay at the end. I'll just move to Canada and do the assisted suicide. God, did you see the stats on that, dude? How many people have done the assisted suicide in 2020?

I think it's in the last year. Like they've crossed like 100,000 people. No way. That may be? Yeah. 100,000 people have gone through. And I can't help but wonder like how many people it was like sign the line or, you know, we take your family out. and they're forced to go through the program.

I mean, I don't know if I should be laughing about that, but. Why? I'm all about offering people a way out if it's, you know, if their body has failed and they have no, there's no recourse. I think we should all have the ability, you know, if like if we know we're on a six-month painful decline and we want to bounce early, I think we should all have that option. Yeah, I fully agree. I'm not necessarily against assisted suicide, but you really have to, I mean, whoever's going to choose to do it because, I mean, if we're about freedom and free will and all that, if forever reason somebody wants to go out, let them.

But there should really be some kind of, what would you call it, like a verification process or? Like a checks and balances, dude. Like I could see like, you know, these transgender parents. They're like, oh, my kid thinks it's a boy, but thinks it's a girl, just cut off parts. You know, I could see those same people. Oh, my kid doesn't want to be alive anymore. Send them to the Canada. Make sure there's no corporation making big bucks off it. They're not like incentivized to push assisted suicide, number one.

Yeah. Number two, make sure there's like a some kind of verification process for the person choosing to do it. Like, are you sure? Are you sure that you're sure? You're not going to regret it, right? Are you sure you're not going to regret it? And give them a some odd waiting period or some kind of... How can I regret it if I'm dead?

Because I've seen some stories about people regretting that. And how do they back out at the last minute? I was going to say, how do they regret it if they are no longer present to regret it? didn't do it afterwards. They didn't regret it after, but. It's like the people that jump off of a bridge, they're like, that's it, I'm done, and they're jumping, and then they have it on the way down.

Yeah, on the way down, they're like, oh, no, how do I get off this ride? Right. So yeah, I'm not against assisted suicide, but I think it gets a very dangerous game, because it could be incentivized, and corporations could push it to make some money doing it. But yeah, man, let's get to some comments here.

I'm going to scroll up. Bread hour has been riling everybody up with a bunch of stuff about sugar. I wasn't quite following it, but... Yeah, I mean, I like... Well, not all carbohydrates are made equally. And it's just a big depends, right? I'm not a keto person. I don't like keto.

I require carbohydrates to function properly. But I think it just depends on the individual and the situation and their activity level, their metabolic functioning. And then what kinds of sugars? Like what kinds of foods are they eating for that carbohydrate? I would argue that the white processed refined sugars that we find in the candy and the Wonderbreads and all that insulin spiking trash, I would argue that is not quality sugar.

But, um, bread hour, getting paid by big bread. I'm just kidding that. I'm just kidding. I'm not, there's so much nuance when it comes to health, and people look at it typically so black and white. And, uh, it's also so situational. You know, you could get one person with, a completely different lifestyle than another person.

The same diet is not going to work for them both. The same supplements, exercise programs, are not going to work from them both. So it's not like any kind of diet or exercise regimen or supplement or food is good or bad. Everything is just a tool and you have to know when to use the tool and when to not use the tool. carnivore or veganism or powerlifting or CrossFit even I don't know any anything Yeah not good everything is a tool Yep yep I don't know man I think it's all about sticking as close to what a natural lifestyle would look without big box stores the closer you can get to that

minus the starvation. I think that happier and healthier you're going to be. But modern life, dude. Modern life is not conducive to, I think, you know, the ultimate expression of health

in the human being. 100% not. Our society is so ass backwards and we think we're so advanced, but we are moving farther and farther away from nature constantly. Yeah.

Big Gouda. I was vegetarian for two years, ruined my whole system. Pretty common. Also, I'm not a fan of carnivore dieting. I'm really not. Everything's so extreme. Both ends the spectrum, veganism and carnivorism. Nate, let me know if you've heard this before.

You probably have, but a lot of the carnivores, their argument against plant foods is that vegetables create defense chemicals in them. And that's why we shouldn't eat them because these plants create defense chemicals that say that. Carnivores say that? What's that? Do they carnivores say that? Yeah, have you ever heard like Paul Saladino and some of those guys ramble against the defense chemicals?

Oh, I mean, that's why lions have freaking teeth, though, man. So, you know, Paul Saladino will be like, oh, don't eat spinach. because defense chemicals or don't eat broccoli because defense chemicals and that's why that's their argument but you know what I'm talking about right yeah I yeah I've heard that it's just retarded though yeah the thing is you know what else is a defense chemical nicotine you know what else is a defense chemical caffeine yet how many these carnivore biohacker bros are just pounding the nicotine pouches in their face and sucking down all the caffeine they could find.

Yeah. Idiots, bro. You know what, man? I can see value in vegetarian or the carnivore or one of these extremes. If it's for a limited allotment of time. And it's just because you've been stuck in a rut and you're trying to break that rut. Like that I can totally get on board with. Create that flexibility in your diet.

Introduce new microbiome. Change things up. But, you know, like carnivore for life, no, I'm not, that's not, vegetarian for life. That's not me. I love vegetables, but I don't like eating them. I like juicing them. I don't eat many vegetables, but I juice a lot.

No, I respect Paul Saladino too. A lot of his stuff's solid with the meat and the fruit and the honey and the raw milk and live naturally and all that stuff. I'm just saying I don't think the extreme mindset is I think it's kind of superficial. Broccoli causes thyroid problems. I think you'll be fine if you're not susceptible to thyroid problems. And it depends on how many broccoli you eat. I like some brock now and again. Yeah, man, I used to do broccoli every morning.

So I was huge on eggs, obviously, because we, We have like 50 chickens. So eggs every morning, just do a light steam on some broccoli on the side. That was my go-to breakfast for a while. Carnivore is anti-inflammatory. Great to rebuild the system while you heal. But it can get to an extreme where you're eating so much of this stuff that might be causing inflammatory issues. You know, one issue with carnivores is that you're eating.

your microbiome will suffer a little bit as well as your digestive tract. It's like most people, when they go vegan, they feel great for like a month or two because they're just flooding with their body with a bunch of nutrients they've never had before. But then as it progresses, then they start feeling like crap because they get deficiencies of other things. Same thing with carnivore. I think when people go carnivore, they're flooding their body with protein and fat that they've never really had before and then they feel great but then you give it long enough and they start getting deficiencies in other things and their microbiome suffers like you see

some of these carnivores they're almost freaking yellow and um I think that's bile buildup from all the fat they're eating body probably having a tough time processing that bile as well as a vitamin A buildup so much vitamin A from the beef livers and the all the red meat they're eating So balance and everything, man. Balance in everything. Big Gouda was on the Ben and Jerry's diet in college, yeah. I was on the Bush Light diet. Oh, dude, the gut rot, man.

Bush Light. Cocaine. Yeah, well, it was the cheapest. It was like 20 bucks for a... What about Keystone? 20 pack or something. No, I was. and out where my college was it was just bush bush light oh the local Walmart had giant

displays of it because they knew that's all we drank so good stuff love a good steak I eat meat every day now yeah I do too I eat meat every day at bare minimum a can of sardines but I just had a can of sardines before we started the show yeah but Buddy. Fantasmicle. And ground beef is usually my go-to. It's either a can of sardines or ground beef. Yep.

I like ground beef because they add some of the connective tissue in there. So there's more collagen in ground beef than there is in steaks. You just got to make sure you cook your ground beef well. If you're going to get any sort of illness from meat, ground beef is going to be the one that gives it to you. Is that because it just processed through more machinery? yeah it's because when you buy a steak it's only the exterior that's exposed when you buy burger it's all kinds of stuff that's been exposed it's all surface meat all more than

yeah so if you don't cook the center like if you have a bloody burger uh that's you know just depends but that's the easy way to get some nasty illness oh yeah shout out to the iron corn flour in the chat getting your jovial from viticost oh viticost is great i love viticost viticost and iherb.com are both great websites for like basic cheap organic food buying and uh i I love the ein corn flour and the ein corn pastas and noodles and whatnot for sure. Yeah. All right, guys, we'll chat for another couple minutes here and then we'll skedoodle. Speaking of getting outdoors in nature, I think when this chat is over, I am going to jump in my truck and drive to a trail somewhere.

Just go hang out in the woods for a while. There you go, man. Yeah. Got a little bit of sunshine today. Beautiful. What are you all talking about, your favorite Ben and Jerry's flavors or something? Wait, wait, who's out of sardines? Somebody just said they're out of sardines.

Tracy, you better go get more. Yep, yep. Off to Costco, you go. Need more brown beef recipes? I mean, I'm pretty basic. I just cook up the ground beef. I usually get a pound of ground beef and then I whisk up

seven or eight eggs and then when the ground beef is just about finished in the pan I throw in the whisked up eggs and just scramble all that together and I just eat straight

ground beef and eggs that's it like dog food but throw a little bit of hot sauce or ketchup on that And, you know, there's plenty of seasoning in there. I might be white, but I use plenty of seasoning. And it's good.

It's so good. Yeah, I like for making burgers. Take like a pound or two of a burger. Mix in one egg, some chili, some salt and pepper, chili powder, salt and pepper. Slice up some onions, dice up some onions, a little bit of onion in there, and make those into patties with some shredded cheddar cheese. pepper jack cheese mixed up in there throw that on the grill oh fact i might be doing that i might do that tomorrow that sounds good i do not i do not recommend ben and jerry's not not only is it

a lame woke company but there's just freaking ice cream dude why why that ain't very maha of you guys come on now it's like the it's like the opposite they're like They're like the nestle of ice cream. Oh yeah, burger salad. I love burger salad too. Best of both worlds. Half vegan, half carnivore. Burger salad.

Yeah, just lettuce, cherry tomatoes, maybe some sliced up cucumbers. Avocado, ground beef, and some cheese on it. Oh, yeah. Burger salad, dude. Yes. And then for the dressing, usually just like a wee bit of olive oil that's about it you could do like a like a fry sauce dressing

some ketchup and mayo mixed and all that but i usually don't just keep it simple simple's best man can get too complicated but then again like i got a buddy he just loves cooking like he'll make some of the best meals like to me it's totally overwhelming but he does it like four nights a week crazy cool all right guys we are finishing up here we will see you all next uh well we'll see you on wednesday for the next living show but we'll see you live next friday here on badlands maha news see you guys everybody good weekend have a very maha weekend