Badlands Media - Space Revolution Ep. 34: Grounded in Space

Episode Date: September 3, 2026

Jonathan Drake joins Chris Ponder and Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Steven L. Kwast this week to dig into natural law, the idea that God built physical rules for the universe and equally binding rules for human relationships, and why ignoring either one tends to end badly. Jonathan brings a research background on pattern and structure that pairs surprisingly well with Chris's information framework, and the conversation wanders through some genuinely fun territory: intuitive facial symmetry, a childhood aversion to cartoons, and a memorable bit about souls, planets, and gain of function jokes that somehow ties back to the bigger mission. Kwast keeps steering things back to the practical goal, building a tool ordinary people can actually use to separate truth from lies. Expect deep thinking, a little humor, and a reminder that none of this technology means anything without moral grounding underneath it.

The Badlands, one of the Badlands, explain those badlands. That's a hell of a name. Well, welcome to Space Revolution, everybody. My co-host today is Jonathan Drake and Chris Ponder. And on this show, as those of you who have watched it before, we explore how the breakthrough technologies of the space age, of the age we're moving into, how they are going to impact your life forever.

But more importantly, how we build those tools, for our truth movement and for us to be able to actually survive the fight between good and evil that has been part of the human condition since the fall of Adam and Eve. And today we take the next great step in understanding how an information system that Chris Ponder has invented, that we are exploring how to operationalize, how we paint that information system onto the backdrop of what we know about the universe. And specifically, some of the relationships that the universe is displaying to us,

that we as a human race really haven't understood in the past and that we are understanding more and more in the future. That's why I'm so excited to have Jonathan Drake on the show because he's gonna be able to take the work we've done in the last few episodes at building the structure of this information system and really start thinking deeply now about the questions we should ask

and about the potential we have. with this information system to explore a greater sense of discovering truth, revealing a lie, and protecting all the principles, first principles that God has provided for us as a human race. So Jonathan, over to you, and thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you having me. It's been interesting listening to the shows up to this point. I caught up on the last two with Cam this afternoon while I was making sawdust and sweating, as we talked about, with the 95 or 6 degree heat that's,

sweeping through here in the Midwest. But yeah, thinking deeply is something that I think is not common these days, which is unfortunate. And so anytime that we can get a chance to do that, demonstrate that for people to the best of our ability and encourage them to do the same is a good thing. Because going forward, I think one of the reasons why, you know, you talk about us being in slavery, I think one of the reasons why we are in that situation is people kind of abdicated that. And they allowed other people to do the thinking for them. And we've shifted over to do to this expert based, you know, consensus building structure. And that's a problem.

We need people to get back into the game and apply their minds because not everyone's gifted the same way, but our minds are very powerful when you, when you put them to use. And like anything else, you know, you can, if you don't use it, you lose it. So I'm, I'm honored to be part of the conversation, Badlands as a whole, but then specifically with you guys as well. So thanks for having me. Yeah. So Chris, thank you again for being the inventor of this information system.

You know, your unique gift that God has given you that you are providing to the rest of the world. And we just are looking forward to seeing how we can build it properly and put it in the hands of people so that it's not something that will prevent them from having to think critically and act morally. but it will use the tools of artificial intelligence and supercomputing and sensing that are already in our world. We're not going to put that genie back in the bottle, but it gives us a fighting chance of protecting those principles and freedoms that God has given us. So Chris, why don't you kick off the show. Thanks, Stephen. Thank you, Jonathan, for joining us. I've been looking forward to this one for a while.

and again, it's hot up here in Michigan, too. So, yeah, I don't know where you guys want to start today with setting the framework up, Jonathan. Well, I figure, you know, this, you were interested in what I was discussing last time I was on with Steve, about, you know, grounding and how there's patterns in nature that we can observe and, structure our own inventions, our own societies, our own relationships on, which touches on natural law. That's another thing that we were interested in covering, which I'll lead off with that as being, God has created the world a certain way, and we are used to thinking of laws of nature as being, you know, governing the relationships of molecules, governing the relationships

of weather systems and, you know, land and water, and there's all, and it's the very physical side of things. And what I've been really interested in is the, you know, the Lysander's Spooner perspective of natural law of applying that same scientific perspective to observing, you know, whatever the functionality or whatever the mechanism of gravity is, there's something going on. You jump off a clip, you're going to fall. You can approach that understanding of the physical reality with a scientific perspective. And Spooner approaches that from, approaches relationships between people with that same scientific perspective and calls it the science of justice. And in the same way, God established laws that govern the universe. He established laws that

govern relationships between men. And so if you're going to build something, if it's an airplane, for instance, you need to abide by certain physical laws of material density and strength and, you know, aerodynamics and all of that, you know, it's not going to work if you don't build it according to those, like they're immutable. You can't change them. You might find ways to overcome them, but you can't change them. So in the same way, when it comes to human relationships, building families, building communities, building countries, and building a world, if you build in a way that goes against those natural law principles, it's no different than jumping off a cliff without a parachute or without a glider or something. And so I'm certainly interested in the way that

Because there was a lot of correlation in the way that you have observed things and started piecing this together. And so I'm interested in kind of your perspective on that. Yeah. And Chris, you know, the thing that I observed that brought the two of you together is that my observation is what you have built, Chris, in this information system, literally is designed to have mother nature or natural law or basically the way the universe is already structured as the tapestry upon which. we hang information and because God is truth and God is love if you hang information on the tapestry of the universe and it is a lie it will reveal itself there's no congruency there's and when you hang the truth it's congruent it's beautiful it fits right in and there's no discord there's no discontinuity that was the

brilliance that I saw and your your design years ago and now we find finally have the technology to can actually bring it to life where people have a tool to discover truth. So that's why the two of you are connected, because Jonathan, you have a unique research background on observing how the universe is structured. And that's, I think, why Chris is so excited about this show. Chris? Well, if I might jump in just on that real quick, because what you're describing, Steve, made me think of an analogy that if a person is unable to draw, So, you know, they, you tell them to draw a human face and it just looks like, you know, terrible. They themselves could look at a drawing of a human face and be able to tell if it's actually, like, accurate.

Because in the structure of our bodies, you know, there's a phi proportionality to from our nose to our ears and the distance of her eyes and the height of our head and all that kind of stuff. And so you just intuitively know, yeah, that was an accurate drawing. That's like photorealistic drawing. And I think that's because we intuitively are aware of, even if we don't identify it overtly, we're intuitively aware of certain patterns in the physical nature that we can just see without even being able to say, oh, that's what I'm seeing. That's true. So that's kind of what also another way to think of what you've been building here, Chris,

is a way where it just sort of it resonates because we were talking about that before too yeah you just made me think of something else too jonathan um when i was when i was younger i would always face my back to a tv screen if i had cartoons on because my mind couldn't handle what the cartoon was because i saw the code of the face i saw the eyes and the nose in the mouth yeah but the voices were like holding a uh like an anxiety pose like when someone's really anxious and they're going through something, they might make it, their voice sounds different. The cartoons were like holding that sound the whole time, then their face didn't align with it.

And now as I look back on it, I understand that whoever designed the cartoons wanted kids to pay attention. So when your mom screams, you listen. So if the voice is just a constant scream, you're like listening. But the code of the face has always kind of like freaked me out. Yeah. So I stayed away from cartoons as a kid. It probably wasn't a bad idea.

Yeah. Yeah, it never got to go to Disney World. I think I stayed outside the gate. But yeah, so, you know, the, something I was really kind of thinking on between when we did our prep. And today was, you know, there's an idea I have in the future of if you take the Constitution of the United Kingdom, it's a collection of documents. a collection of ideas. It's it's kind of grounded in the existence of the king or like, you know, a while ago as the queen. And then we as we as Americans, you know, we named the first plot of property that we decided to fight for. We named it Constitution Island after their constitution,

showing that that we were going to, we were going to salvage that piece of British intelligence and we were going to make it into something, you know, free, right? So we had the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation. It took us 12 years after we named that rock Constitution Island to build our constitution. But what we did that the British never thought to do was we put Mother Nature into that document. And we allowed our fellow patriots to hang their coats and hang their minds and hang their will on these natural structures projecting ourselves forward. into the future. And I always love the idea that in the middle, the Articles of Confederation, it was called the Articles of Confederation of the Perpetual Union and this idea that this king

wasn't going to die. We were going to project our nation out forward and allow ourselves to kind of like fit into this frequency. So, you know, we can think about something as simple as in in 2028, we're going to elect a new president. And in January of 2029, someone, is going to step into that office. Are they going to etch a sketch, you know, the Oval Office and shake it and start from scratch? No, we're not a monarchy. We're going to build on to each other. So we're definitely learning how, you know, I think every year, every day, every term,

we as an American people continue to learn. But I think what makes our Constitution so amazing is that it is built using these natural, you know, structures. And that's where I first started learning about how powerful natural structures were. And that's, you know, why I set this up the way I did. So, Chris, you know, what I hear when I hear you talk about that is what our founding fathers did to write natural law into a governance structure, which is the first time in history that had ever been done. You are doing for an information system because the information system we have right now is the Internet and, you know, words in a book. They are not structured in natural law at all, even though natural law is truth because God is truth. I like to say the truth is written in the stars.

So the title of the show is grounded in space. And I'd like you, Jonathan, to kind of walk us through your observations, because I want us to be thinking critically about this information system that Chris has designed, thinking critically about this idea where he's designed it consistent with natural law so that it becomes. immutable and that truth fits into it and a lie does not fit into it and how that resonates with you and what you've been studying about natural law so the the concept of grounding we talked about this last time i was here and and those that listen to my show would have heard me talking about this it stems from my my interest in ether physics and then you know the process of doing my show just you know, your mind gets deep into the weeds on that type of stuff.

And I was literally just thinking through questions about things we observe in nature and just asking the question, why. And I just happen to be thinking about the concept of like a circuit grounding. You know, if you don't want to die, you make sure you're not the shortest path to ground because it's that charge in that circuit is going to pass right through you because it wants to go to ground. And it's like, well, why? Why does it want to go to ground?

And then when you start to think, you know, zoom out, like, okay, that's on the electrical circuit level. You zoom out and you realize that all throughout nature, what is happening on that electrical circuit level is happening in every different sphere in its own way, but it's still the same fundamental thing where it's trying to, you know, get back to equilibrium, get back to the source of the energy, get back to, you know, a homeostasis level if there's differing tensions, differing pressures, differing heights, differing personalities. There's different things throughout nature physically, but then there's also within relationships.

I've talked about how we like story structure because the story builds and that it has to resolve, which is the process of grounding. And so I realized that, wow, okay, there is something fundamental about nature itself that is displaying itself throughout all these different spheres of influence. It's all the exact same thing. And so just as a catch-all term, I call, you know, that's grounding from the electrical side of things. And then, of course, asking the question, well, why is it that way? And then understanding that God has created the world and that God has, specifically with us, he created us in his image.

But then also understanding the nature of how the Trinity operates within itself. St. Augustine refers to the Trinity as love or the lover, the loved. So the lover is father, the loved is the son, and love itself is the Holy Spirit as a person between them. And they're not defined by what they do. They're defined by their relationship. And in the context of the ether and context of grounding, that the Holy Spirit is the process, the path back to ground within the Trinity itself. Obviously, that's a lot right away. And one of the things that's in the show description is a little essay I wrote called the Ether as the fingerprint of God that people can check out to get a little bit more on that.

but understanding that that is God has encoded his own nature into every fundamental thing that can possibly happen from the formation of an atom, formation of molecules, the formation of human beings in conception, family structures, social communities, and on and on, it all follows the same exact pattern. And so once you understand that, then you realize that you can start asking the question like, specifically like a Christian, you know, living kind of sense, does this ground me back together? God, because ultimately we as human beings need to be grounded back to God. We need to be plugged back into that source. And when we don't do that, that's when we start getting into problems

where you have it like an electrical circuit. If you've got a short, it's not going to work properly. You're going to cause a fire. You're going to cause destruction of property. You're going to cause some type of damage. And that same thing happens in the human living experience. So when we are disconnected from God in the garden through the fall, we got disconnected from the ultimate ground, and which is the source of all truth and life and love and all of that. And so if we're trying to get back to that, anything we build needs to keep that in mind that we need to be grounded. And that's not just grounded back to God.

It's also grounded in the way things actually are, the way things should be, and that can help us as we plan governments and plan software, plan applications, plan activities, all of the above. It's all the same thing, just express different. Yeah, so I would, you know, so what I see and what Chris Ponder has designed and when people walk through it, it is basically the first time I've seen somebody design an information system that is consistent with what you just said, Jonathan. And that it's not only that it follows these same principles of this relationship of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but in the context of information, where, You know, a lie does not fit into the constellation of the universe.

And what I'd like listeners to think about is, you know, because one of the questions I always get is I don't get it. How do you take a piece of information and be able to see if it's aligned with the universe? You know, the first question is you don't have to do that work. It takes supercomputing to be able to see the relationships. but if you have the super computing like a calculator that's properly programmed by by moral people you can actually use that as a tool to say this fact or this narrative or this piece of information is true or not true so Chris you know kind of

give us a sense for how that works how do how does a piece of information get thrown onto the chalkboard of your information system that is aligned with the way the universe is designed and that we can see if it's true or not true. Yeah. So a couple of things come to mind. I think the first one is, there's a book. I've told you about it before, Steve. It's called Political Thinking by Glenn Tinder.

And it kind of blew my mind when I read it because it wasn't what I thought it was going to be about. But something in there that they said was kind of interesting, like very, seldom does someone actually think? And, and, you know, of course, I'm over here like, oh, I ponder all day, you know, like, it's all I do. But, but what the, what the author was arguing was that when we think, when we truly think, we actually have to go create something entirely new in the middle of our day and hold it up with our, with our internal systems, you know, our internal information systems. And then we either abandon that thought really, really fast or we like, we complicate everything around us to hold it into the next day. So the idea was they were talking about political thinking and like new ideas.

You know, there's as, you know, take us, for example, we're a very new idea in a world of monarchies. You know, so when we were coming up with these new ideas, we leaned on nature. because we knew it was going to be difficult to hold these ideas and cycle them forward, cycle them forward a week, a year, you know, 250 years. As a country, yeah. Yeah. So when I think about sometimes I go out and, you know, I'm experiencing the world with those around me in my community. And I step back and I say, how much of what we're doing is thinking and how much of what we're doing is reference structure.

So the idea of this information system, you work through the last two episodes, Jonathan. So in the last episode, Virgo-centric Flow Part 2, there was a table we put up and it had all those, you know, all those different templates. And I'd put in there how many of those, how many structures we were going to use of each of those, you know, structures. So for the star level, how many stars we were going to have in the system? And where Steve's saying we can use supercomputing, we're going to go in and we're going to build out all those ions. And I'm pretty sure we're just going to reference them. And that's all that our information is going to be is we're going to reference one star versus another, one planet versus another. We just passed or the moon just passed between the earth and the sun.

you know, those things, those references amongst existing entities or existing hot bodies, that's what information is. So I think early on I started to notice that there wasn't going to be new things introduced into systems. And that was where I saw the advantage of all these data companies wanting, you know, bigger and bigger data centers where I was, I started to kind of, hone in on, I think it's just a few things and those things need to have a structure that allows for us to reference what we're talking about. So, you know, some people say there's nothing new under the sun. There might not be. Well, to that point, we are created by God in an environment

that was created by God. And we might uncover something about. the nature of what God created that other people have not figured out, but we haven't actually created anything new. We have simply, we've either tapped into what already is, or we have taken what already is, and we've rearranged it into something that is, quote, unquote, new, but not really, because at the end of the day, we're still working with the primordial clay that God gave us to play around with. And so that, there's a sense of it. of humility, I think, in what you're describing and that it's not, we're forging a new path and we're not, you know, we're not, we're not so hubristic to think that we can solve all

the world's problems through information, but by getting things properly aligned in the same way that if, you know, if I go out to my shop, which is an absolute disaster right now, because I'm in the middle of a project, but if at the end of a project, I clean it up and get it all tidy and neat and ready to go. So that when I'm getting ready to start something new, I'm not, where's my tape measure? Where's, you know, that kind of stuff? So there's a sense in which organization and referencing, it's, there's no reason to poo-pooh that because we can recognize that we stand on the shoulders of giants that stretch back.

You know, there's giants that we're standing on their shoulders that we don't even know who they are if you go back to ancient Greeks and ancient Samarians and all that stuff. Yeah, the Samarians were pretty awesome about this. Something that always stood out to me is there's a tablet I found and was translating it. So they invented the hammer and they were really interested in making sure that anyone who ever used a hammer in any of the cities when the rest of the earth was covered in cities was like paying interest on their hammer. And it was just such a silly idea to me. But then the more I think about it, and then every time I see a hammer, every time I think about a hammer, I'm like, they weren't wrong.

Like, same thing. You know, it hasn't changed much. And so I think part of the games that they were playing was, you know, they were learning this idea that they kept, they kept like expanding themselves and then like shrinking it back down to the core. And so there was like a single day that they got rid of all these symbols that doubled up on sounds. And, you know, they always.

they always had ideas that there was only like seven things in the center of a city. And then if you go look at any monarch today, they'll put like their official picture of themselves. And they have those seven things in the pictures. They're like freaking out. They're like, you know, don't let the Samarians see us without these. You know, you got to hold the rod. You know, you go to a British parliament. They have this stuff on the table in there to justify it.

But there's kind of like a beautiful sense of. of connectedness when you start to realize, it doesn't matter how different you think another culture is. At the core, we're human beings, and we come together around the same things. Well, yeah, that's what I've enjoyed about the foray into natural law is that if you, you know, understanding that legitimate government comes from the consent of the consent of the governed,

which is everyone. And that's where we've really gone off, the rails, you know, 25% of the population votes in a, you know, a representative, but the other 75% is not actually represented. So understanding that, you know, things being built on nature and that resonance, and then also you're mentioning about, like, resetting or whatever. We kind of need to do that in our country. Like, I think what happens sometimes is we get kind of far afield from where we started off and we need to kind of, all right, let's go back to the drawing board. let's get back to those original core things.

And that's what natural law is to me. Because if you ask the entire country, it should X be a law, what you can get the entire country to agree on, that's natural law, ultimately, because it is written on everyone's heart. Everyone knows murder's wrong. Everyone knows that stealing is wrong.

Everyone knows that lying is wrong. And those are things that you're going to get every person, regardless of time, regardless of culture, to agree on. And if we're going to be building a goal, golden age, that we can take those ideas that the founders wisely put into the conversation 250 years ago about laws of nature and nature's God and understand that that list of rules is really small. And if we got back to that, we would be in much better shape. And I think part

of that is, it sounds like what you're working on building is a process by which that can be maybe sped up in a way. Yeah, it's sped up, but, you know, so it does have a few different functions. One function is to speed, speed up the discovery of what is a lie, because, again, information is used as a weapon, and evil people will use it to dominate you, enslave you, increase their power and control. So one mechanism here is that, you know, the information system, as it is deployed using some of the technologies of space and terrestrial, really, but the entire spectrum of the universe,

it can start recognizing and recording what is. And what is is is truth. So that is one use of the tool is that it can record what is and it can do it with fidelity that we are not used to because of its ability to sense and to understand. The second thing it does, though, is it can take something that somebody says where you don't have any evidence of what actually took place when it took place. You know, somebody's out in the middle of the woods and, you know, they do something or they say something and they try to convince you that that is truth. His information system can triangulate that fact that is being claimed based on the triangulation of everything else going on to tell you.

with whatever confidence that that is not true because it will be inconsistent with history. It will be inconsistent with natural law and the structure of the universe if it is a lie. So it has tremendous power of helping us record what is and it helps us discern when there's something fishy going on. You know, and whether it's a video you're watching that you're like, is AI doing that or is that, real or there's a voice of my mom is that really her or is that AI trying to trick me into sending a check to where she's at you know when it's really not her these are two of the functions that it provides based because of its alignment with super computing AI and soon quantum so and it's it's capable of absorbing all of that because it's it's it's structured with natural law and you can't put

anything into it that is not real. Are you at a point where you can go more in depth, Chris, on how that actually functions? Yeah. I mean, we kind of talked about the interconnectivity of everything and vibrations and all that, which we can get into a little bit. But I'm curious about the, especially because even though I never actually trained as an engineer, I have an engineering mind. So I'm certainly interested in the, you know, the mechanics of, because that's a very interesting

thing. I know during the conversation with CAM, you know, the concept or the concerns regarding privacy came up and, you know, Steve, your experience in Africa was well taken. People obviously would freak out like, well, that sounds like total surveillance state or something like that. But so is it a matter of actual data collection or is it more of an algorithmic processing of a story in line with the, you know, orientation of certain star and galaxies and the moon and so on. Well, I'm not sure it's either of those. I think so that we did the ghost in the garden episode where we talked about, we talked about eight components

that make up all information. So life, logic, space and spectrum are the prime components. And then I always think about like if you put a, if I took two sticks and made a plus sign and I put it in the sand, and then I like, turned a little bit because, you know, everything moves.

The X would appear out of motion and that was form, force, ledgering capability. But the spectrum component of the situation, the spectrum component of anything, it really like, it forces. So, okay, let's back up for a second. There's, you always say that, you know, you don't want to trust Adams because they make everything up. And there's like a joke in that joke. Bad joke. Because you know, definitely don't trust atoms. They don't make anything up.

It's isotopes. You know, there's a big difference between an atom and an isotope. So an isotope is something that's that's real. We can measure it. So what's unique about an isotope is, well, the atoms like the structure. You've got the idea of a hydrogen atom. It's got, you know, one proton. and maybe one neutron and maybe one electron.

But until we can measure that existing, it's not an isotope because then all of a sudden we get stable isotopes, we get unstable isotopes, and we get these different arrangements of things. So that's where radioactivity comes in. So when I was thinking about how I took the information in a city block, and made, you know, made sense of that. There was two different sides.

I wanted to put some of it in a digital system, and I wanted to see if I could automate some of it in nature. The radioactive isotopes that were existing in nature were like shooting themselves forward and backwards in time, clamping onto the future in the past, entangling themselves with those moments. I couldn't take that isotope and move it forwards or backwards in time because it had already done that for its side.

And that was where I kind of learned this idea that how we exist in this idea of time is very unique to the measurement of electrons or as, you know, some might want to say the connection to God, the connection to source, connection in the middle. So if we go back to kind of what you were framing there and you're looking at, how do we sense if someone's telling a lot, It's not a surveillance state. It's the fact that if we want, if we put an information system, an information environment together that's grounded in the same fundamental laws of nature, you know, grounded in, I would say the eight walls of the garden, anything you present into that is going to have to exist all the way backwards and all the way forwards and all the way up and scale and all the way down in scale.

And if it doesn't, you're, you've just, if it doesn't, it doesn't, right? If it does, it exists in this whole system. So for someone to present something into it that doesn't have a relationship in any direction, it's going to be seen as just that. It's like, okay, well, that's really interesting in this tiny little moment. But the second we allow it to exist in that system, it has to, it has to relate itself in all directions. And the, you know, when we apply the power of super computing to this type of, to this type of situation, it's, it goes back to, I don't think we're going to be bringing new things into our information systems. I think we're going to be referencing stuff. And I think that those reference structures are going to become a whole new, a whole new concept of what we believe information is.

Yeah, so let me take a stab at your question too, Jonathan, because it's something I struggle with. I mean, Chris's brain is so far ahead of most brains I've ever come in contact with. It's really hard to understand sometimes. It's like listening to Einstein talk about the mathematics of the universe he's observing, and if you are not a mathematician, you get lost pretty quick. But having listened to him for years walking me through this, the way I would describe it is, there are you know if you get a piece of information Jonathan and and you you know your job is to ask the eight questions that take it through the gauntlet of Chris ponder's structure and when you ask those

eight questions especially if you're aided by artificial intelligence that helps you see how that question forces either an alignment or a misalignment with the natural universe by the time you get to that eighth question you have a pretty good sense on whether that piece of information is true or not. So there may be still things that are not, you don't know about the piece of information. You may not get the answer that, you know, or you may get no answer from the person presenting it to you,

but that's an answer unto itself if they cannot answer that. Right. You go back to show number one, two, basically I think is episode 26 and 27, Chris, is that correct? Where we go through the structure, those eight questions. You know, you start seeing that this is a two, for you to think more critically and ask tougher questions about what is true and what is not true because it's assisted by a structure that's aligned with natural law with artificial intelligence

that's not trained on large language models or anything that human beings have put in there. It's structured on natural law and the Maxwellian equations. The things we know, at least to the best of our ability, are what is true and how the universe is moving in a way that allows for perfect alignment and almost infinite fidelity as to the accuracy of something that took place in the past, present, or in the future. So that's my simple way of kind of talking about how it works,

is you get a piece of information, it goes into the information system, and now you want to know if it's true or not, and you go through a series of eight questions critically thinking about how that piece of information is either aligned with natural law or not. And by the third, third question, it usually is a red, you know, a red flag that it's a lie. And if it makes it

through all eight with congruency, it's probably true. So it's kind of an exponential increase in difficulty of passing the sniff test. This sounds like something that you can do manually in your own mind, but then obviously once you start getting into those higher levels of questions, your ability to either know the larger pattern or be able to place things in the context of a larger pattern becomes increasingly difficult. And so that's where you're talking about using supercomputing and beyond to be able to parse through that. I guess another question I've got is, well, so then if someone might be able to pass through, you know, they figured out a way to gain the system to some degree and they pass through five and six, the odds of them getting

through all eight while still being false is just becomes an absurd thing at that point is that scary action at a distance yeah no that is true Jonathan I mean that that that's and the other so that's the one function is it forces you to think critically and ask the questions and it starts with the morality you know it starts with you the the form I mean you know the you is a person the life the the life force in you and then and goes out from there and you know I asked the audience to go back and review those first two shows because it'll walk you through those questions but but so that's the first thing is it it it gives you a structure of questioning that aligns a piece of information with natural law and with the way God built the universe the second function is as as this thing

does start capturing what is meaning events that are taking place in the world today It captures it in a way where over time, it gets harder and harder for somebody to lie about what took place in the past. In other words, victors can't write the history books to favor their own version of events. It's more true to what took place or what is. So it gets harder and harder to lie. The human race now has a tool that makes it almost immutable to be able to go back and lie about the history of what took place. So it has those two components, and the longer you go, the easier it is for super computing or quantum computing to be able to give you the answers to those eight questions without relying on human judgment or human intuition. It's trustless, meaning it's relying on natural law and what we understand about the observed universe.

Now, if this, if you're the understanding of even, you know, scientific, you know, theories about the nature of reality, because obviously there's differing ones. If you're basing the form on something that turns out to be incorrect, you know, like Einstein is, I would, I would argue is, is not correct. And, uh, we might be in a situation. where the way we understand things now, you know, I'm thinking of like the Apostle Paul saying, and now I see you through a mirror dimly, but then I'll see face to face. You know, there's a point in progression of life where we understand things more,

even just in our own lives. And when I was a child, I, you know, thought like a child, you know, spoke like a child, reasoned like a child, when I became a man and put away childish things. What I knew was true back then, I now know is not true as an adult. And I personally have experienced that in my own, you know, investigative. into reality and questioning certain things about the nature of how the human body functions and so on. So how does this accommodate or account for advances in our scientific understanding where the

model is built on this understanding, but then as we progress on, actually it's this. So does that mean that the answers we got back then are now under question and we need to go back through and sort of recategorize things? Or how have you thought through that process? This is a great question. So this system is not built on gravity. It has something called hydro compression accounting for one of the fundamental forces there. And so, you know, you raise a good point.

If someone comes and they were to prove this theory of hydro compression I have wrong, yeah, it would shatter the system. However, here's the fun part. Um, hydro compression appears to be pretty, uh, pretty, pretty fundamental. So when, when Einstein, what was approaching gravity, you know, when, um, Newton was approaching gravity, these guys, they understood they used, you use the, the case of the beginning when you're talking about natural law. If you jump out the window, you're going to fall.

Right. The apple's going to fall, right? Um, so, so when we zoom out, um, there was someone I, I met just kind of been passing the other day. And it was funny. It was like somehow I threw the idea that gravity wasn't real at them. There was two girls. That's a good conversation starter for anyone.

Yeah, these are fun games I play. And obviously I make tons of friends. But my wife is always like, just don't. Just don't. Yeah. So anyways, this one like turns like, and I can see her mind like, all right, give me your best shot. You know, what do you mean, no gravity? And I said, well, you know, there's something outside the universe.

And everything's actually just, you know, getting pushed together. instead of this idea that we're all like trying to be attracted to one another, it's all just one big thing. And it's, and it's this compression. And when you look at like, when you step back and look at the universe from that perspective, everything kind of seems connected and it makes sense.

She's like, I'll buy it. You know, like her response to it was, was her brain could use it. It worked. And it was a little bit nicer than attraction. So the law of attraction is,

You know, I think it's been weaponized. And, you know, we, the way we interpret relationships, all these things is based on this law of attraction. So when I first started this endeavor, fundamentally, I understood that if I was talking to someone and they hadn't outright rejected gravity, they were losing the information battle of the moment. I was in a different system than them and they still had to step out of what they, their way of thinking. and step into a new way of thinking. So this, you know, hydro compression, then, you know, from, so if you don't look at like, well, what's built on top of the theories of relativity and stuff?

And you have all these other, you know, the academic world has built all these structures. So next we have this thing called fundamental form. And we pitched that in episode 27 as, as the garden, you know, just this octagon, just this, this kind of concept. So now that there's a concept of fundamental form, you can go look at what are all the, you know, what are all the levels that this, you know, shows itself? And then all of a sudden you see, well, day four of any human being is, is fundamental form where eight cells. And our eight cells between,

between the day where we're four cells and there's no connectivity between the cells, there's no intercellular communication, there's no reference structure. The moment we get to eight, each cell can make sense of itself in alignment with the other seven. Kind of like how we use seven days in the week, but we stack the weeks on eight. So all of a sudden, from that moment forward, the body sends these hemorrhaping, channels between cells and there's intercellular communication but but all the cells always communicate back to one of those eight and um i'm i've been working through this thought for for maybe for something next week with you know what if that's the seat of our consciousness what if that's like what's right

in the back of your brain where the all the everything inside of you all 40 trillion cells but reference back to those original eight. So these, yeah, so these. Which is that right there would be rewriting the modern medical understanding of how human health works. Yeah. So your question, Jonathan, you know, so the way I've observed this, again, first of all, there's no perfect tool, okay? Right. But the way Chris has designed this, as I've studied it for years now, is it's an open architecture based on the fact that we don't

know everything. So but but it's based on the relationships we see taking place in in in the universe. And and so for example, Einstein's law of general relativity would show incongruency in this model. And we might not know why, but we know something's wrong. So when Chris says, well, it would shatter if compression is not the idea. It wouldn't, but it would show an incongruity. It would show that something's wrong here because it's not revealed. dealing consistency with the way the universe is behaving, the way we're observing it. We don't know why, we don't know how,

but we know something's not right. So it has that the probability of this being true is not certain, you know, it may be 70% that it's true, 30% that it's not true, but we have to be able to operate in this ambiguity where we don't know what the truth is in this situation. But for most mundane information problems we have in the human race right now,

where people try to lie to you, about what took place or what you should think. It has pretty good fidelity at getting your mind to think critically about asking the right questions of, is this true or not true? So that we start moving into an era that we currently don't live in, where we have a tool that helps us say, I don't believe anything until I can validate it,

until I can verify it. And simultaneously, it's starting to record what is taking place in a way that is immutable because of the structure of the universe and how you can align an event with these literally billions of connections that only a supercomputer can do that trap it.

It entangles an event. It entangles truth in the fabric of the universe where that truth is now written in the stars and future generations can look back and say that is consistent. But it will have inconsistencies. It will, it will, because we know we don't know everything. We know we have it wrong in many cases. And in those

cases, the discontinuity will show up in the model, even though there's no answer. So then you have this larger architecture, Chris, use that term so that you're the architecture itself, because you based it on what you've observed as natural patterns, what those individual cells actually are might end up being swapped out as we discover that actually that was the wrong cell to place there, but the overall structure is still in place. And so your overall algorithmic structure is intact. And it functions, but it may be not as well as it could until all eight cells or the exact eight cells we need. But at least it gets you closer to the truth than you would have before. And which I find that interesting. And also in regards to your hydro compression, the

the terminology is something that I would probably disagree with, but I think what you're describing, when I was listening to you describing, I forgot what episode it was, it resonates with me as what I've observed is being etheric voidance or etheric pressure mediation, and that it's the actual medium itself that is resolving the, you know, the tension of these objects. So, you know, a magnet is not attracted to another magnet. That's not what's happening. What's happening is the magnets are disturbing the medium, and the medium needs to go back to equilibrium. It's got tension. It wants to resolve it. And so it resolves that and literally just voids the space between them and bring them together. That's how capacitive functions.

That's how, and that's what I understand gravity to be. It's essentially mutual mass acceleration. And what you're described, what you've described about temperature differentials, essentially, that's pressure mediation. Nature abhors at a differential. It needs it to be equal. So it's going to bring, and from our appearance, it looks like magnets are attracted to each other. From our appearance, it looks like the moon is being attracted to the Earth and the sun is being, you know, is it pulling things in.

But it's not the individual items that are doing that. It's the medium in which they exist and really of which they exist as well. So the other thing, John, that's a great reflection on his point. The other piece of his design that I just want to put out there for our listeners is it is grounded. in God's law. In other words, you have to start with something that you know, you believe to be true. Otherwise, any tool just flounders in the wind of ambiguity and information. This is grounded in a way, and it's grounded in morality, you know, based on the Bible. And so those, you know, those immutable, you know, so we believe these things to be true.

that you shall not lie, steal, cheat, murder, you know, covet, all of the things that you alluded to a number of them, they're not that many, but you have to start somewhere and you have to start with a worldview that there is a God, that that God did create this universe, and that he created it for good, and that there are certain principles by which you must live to be happy. And if you don't live by those principles, you will not be happy. you pointed that out earlier that's natural on a nutshell right it's start this this model starts there and then it starts the questioning with kind of the open-endedness of uh you know using super computing to do the questioning make it make the questioning a little bit more rapid if you will

and then and then um you know as as it's doing that when it sees an incongruity then it flags it and you start getting less and less confident that that is true so if you put Einstein's theory of general relativity in there, it becomes pretty uncertain. Okay. But if you put the through there that, you know, I was born in a certain place and there's, you know, there's zero evidence of it and it's incongruent with the way that, you know, you understand history, you know, it's pretty easy to refuel. Most lies are revealed pretty quickly.

Lies that are unknown, like is, you know, is general relativity? of the wrong concept. We know that it is. Einstein knew it was. We still don't know how or why. We're scratching at that, but this model will accommodate that going into the future. We're kind of talking about a very small sliver of things that are undiscoverable, at least for the human race to this point. Yeah. I'd like to share something kind of on that concept. So I think one of the most human things we can do is the scientific method. And the scientific method is a cycle. So, you know, where we start is where we finish. And when I kind of started out on adventures of these thinking things, obviously I reject the monarchies. So something like a Nobel Peace

Prize or a Nobel Prize is very silly to me because it's, it's kind of. given out by a kingdom, right? So, you know, what are you actually doing when you submit a paper to an academic institution who, you know, what is that academic institution as a whole? And I kind of landed at this idea that submitting an idea, um, opens it up to all this stuff. Like how Steve said earlier, you know, I have an open architecture. Um, all these things are, you know, strategic because that what I was looking at doing wasn't getting credit for something or or you know signing my name off. I was always trying to learn.

So what I ended up at was I took the eight phases of the moon and I assigned the eight steps in the scientific method. And I tried to automate my brain into a place where I could put an idea and would automatically with the moon, every new moon, I pretty much reset everything I'm doing. I invent new hypothesis, everything like that. And then every full moon, I've been aiming at that full moon and I do experiments. And I, and I kind of like, then after the full moon, I measure. I see like, okay, you know, for example, this shows on the other, the evaluation side of a full moon, which, you know, at the beginning of the show, I was kind of like, Jonathan, you start us.

You know, I'm in a very, I'm evaluating my measurements type thing. Because when I get back down to the new moon, I want to reset it. A lot of people when they, when they, you know, have ideas or whatever, they reset right away. They don't spend the same amount of time they did, you know, approaching something, evaluating it back down. So this idea that you can automate the scientific method lets you take an idea like hydro compression and hold it in a structure that I don't need to, I don't need to offer it to an academic institution. I'm never interested in if I'm right or wrong, I'm continuously re-evaluating the system. And that's how all of our schools should work, where you show up to the institution.

And the institution is that cycle where there's no set curriculum. The curriculum is like in a balance. So to go all the way back to when you're saying you can get six of the eight things and then kind of like let it work itself out. if we if we allow all this stuff to kind of be alive and interactive it's you know it's always going to continue it's like the the nature of a quantum system where if you measure it it collapses the superposition into into a measurement we want we want to build something that's that's alive and then and then we recognize that we look at it through little windows and when I look at it through the window, I don't need to collapse that and measure it and

prove it to everyone else forward and backwards. I looked at it through the window and I can look at it through the same window again tomorrow and see the same measurement. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah, for the most part. I mean, there's, I mean, I, I, I think there's problems with the way things are measured today, but that would be something that, you know, like you said, your overall architecture resonates, which I think everything is, you know, to quote Tesla, everything is energy, frequency, and vibration. You know, the idea of resonance is something that is deeply integral to the nature of reality. And so I think that there's, there's a lot of what you're describing is more of the architectural side of things that definitely resonates with me,

especially because while having a tool is important, it's more important to know how to use the tool as well. That's something I wanted to make sure I said tonight. Because if, you know, I see people on, you know, X to, and then to invoke Chris Paul, X formerly Twitter. Grock, is this true? Like, no, that's not the way you're supposed to use that. You know, and my own forays with our artificial intelligence or large language models is not to ask, you know, is this true or not, but more of kind of what you've described doing, too, is, you know, what are the patterns in this essay that I'm looking through. How does this one compare to that one? You know, explain to me the standard description of, you know, this particular scientific, you know, understanding, and then compare it to,

you know, to this one and then just, you know, see where they match up and then just start asking, you know, questions and force it to not just regurgitate, you know, when it's programmed to regurgitate. And I think that as people move forward and as you make this available, which I assume there would be some type of a user interface, you know, app-based or something, that people need to understand that even if what you're consistently get is accurate and like

in a meta sense. It's accurate all the way back to the beginning and all over to the end of time. You still don't. You still need to understand, you know, I watch videos of old guys doing construction and they can do things with a hammer that I've never even thought of doing before because they just

know how to use that tool so well. And it, the power is ultimately in the individual using the tool, not even the tool themselves. And of course, with the tool, they become more capable. And so that's something that going forward is important. And that goes for anything. Because if people just abdicate, that's going back to what I said at the beginning,

we've abdicated the individual responsibility in this country, which is why we abandoned those natural law principles, which is why when trial by jury was getting messed with in the early 1800s, people should have been like, no, no, that's our plodium of liberty. You don't need to mess with that. But people didn't. They stopped thinking about it. They stopped engaging with it.

And that's what I'm all about. And I think that's what Badlands is all about. And you guys seem to be of the same vein. So I'm really glad you said those things because I'd like to close this show with two points. One is I'd like you to describe your record player analogy. Oh, yeah. That is helpful about, you know, where this is a tool that is designed to align information with natural law. that's in a nutshell and an open system of questioning but it all starts with the person in other words any tool can be used for evil or for good and if we as a human race don't start dedicating this habit of hard work at looking at our interior life and and making sure that we wake up every day with habits that are consistent with the way God taught us to live to love God and to love one another as God loves us if we don't do that

that every tool is a poison pill. Every tool can become a weapon. And even though we're gonna design this where there's no trust, it's in a blockchain type techniques and open-ended so that it just shows incongruency with the patterns of the natural universe as we observe it, and it can grow in knowledge

and understanding as we grow and move in different directions. It is a tool, but it is a useless tool if we don't come back to what we're doing in our daily life to love our family, love our neighbor as ourselves and and abide by God's law. So thank you for kind of bringing that point up to Jonathan in the way we think about ourselves in relation to the human race and the Badlands movement of being truth seekers. But the record player analogy is good because it helps people understand what Chris is designing also can record truth as it's happening in our world and then going to be.

forward, it becomes easier to figure out what did happen or what did not happen. Yeah. So this is another one of those things of, you know, laying awake at night and trying to fall asleep and not being able to because my mind is just, you know, bouncing around with all this stuff. And if you zoom in on a vinyl record and, you know, how is the music stored there? And you zoom in and it's just a bunch of little bumps because the needle was vibrating when it was recording and it etched it into the, you know, the plastic. Um, which is, really mind-blowing if you just pause and think about that. It's literally just a series of bumps, and then we have this device that bounces and translates those bounces into whatever information

is stored on that piece of plastic. That's old-school technology, but it is earth-shattering, if you really just pause and think about it. Going back to Edison, I had those wax cylinders is that it's the same basic concept. People have even been able to get sound that was recorded into like the frost on a window pane. Just crazy, absolutely crazy. But thinking of everything being energy, frequency, and vibration, so this conversation we're having,

the words coming out of my mouth, the cells where they're placed in my body, the things I'm looking at, my thoughts, they're producing vibrations. and if everything is medium-based, which, again, I believe, I believe what is happening throughout all time is that every cell, every atom, every thought, every burst of energy, everything that has ever happened

is continually recorded into reality itself with a specific vibrational signature. And so then in theory, going back even, historically and just doing a file search, so to speak, on the assassination of Julius Caesar, all of the thoughts of those men and the energy of those men and everything leading up to that and the actual act was literally etched into reality in the same way the record play was etched. And so that if you develop a device that can search through the historical analogs and then receive that vibrational signature, you could in theory time travel in that way,

just, but it's just like a file search. And so then going forward, if you're more up front about recording information, you create a very specific, not just in the grand scheme of things, but a very specific and condensed and more easily searchable, you know, data, you know, record. That is not just recording what people write in, but it's like having a stenographer in a courtroom. She's just sitting there typing whatever is being said. But this is a stenographer that's also recording thoughts and recording motivations and, and all that sort of stuff.

So that's my concept of what time is and history and all that. Yeah, no, it can be powerful. And so we're going to see where this goes, because when you start getting into quantum applied to Chris's information system architecture, now when you can explore the relationships between 10 trillion different things in one millisecond, you start now observing

things that, you know, and the fact that if the theory is true, that we're all connected with one another in space, time, and energy, and matter, and that what took place a thousand years ago is right next to us and is discoverable. And so this applies to the way we could potentially transport, understand, triangulate truth, which is really the purpose of Chris's design. And again, so we're going to walk the dog on this. We're going to build this information system, being very careful to ask the right questions. That's why the Badlands Media and the content providers are so valuable here, because there's nobody that is dedicated to discovering truth, like Badland Content Providers.

And by asking the right questions and building this together, that's what Chris is doing, is he's helping us think through the building of this with him. Now, he's far ahead of us, but, you know, I want... regular people with regular brains to really look at this, think about it, and help us ask the right questions. And your brain is not regular, Jonathan. You are out there with Chris, but like in the chat, you know, and some of the, you know, like I want a fifth grader to be able to understand, hey, this is a tool that forces me to be moral and to ask the right questions. And by so doing, I can have either a high level of suspicion that something is not true and I don't want to have

anything to do with it or a high level of confidence that it is true and I can lean on it to some degree that that's where we're going to go and I really am so grateful Jonathan for you to apply your brain and your insights and research to this because this will help us design a better tool awesome hey I know we're over time but I wanted to plant a seed here with Jonathan because there's something he said that made me think of this this way well yes So we've been describing this system, this Paragon information system. And then you asked for a tool. And, and, you know, we, well, I guess I wanted to plant is, you know, you made a joke.

I think it was before we went live about, do you make a joke about me having a soul? Oh, yeah, because you mentioned being a ginger lot with cam. And he said, I do have a soul, though. So, you know, it's a very serious thing for me. There was a point in my life where people would be like, no, you don't have a soul. And they say it was straight face from that, you know, referencing the cartoons that I don't watch. So I had to go out and be like, okay, where's my freaking soul, you know, and prove it to myself.

So with this system, you know, I started kind of building it out right around the time COVID happened. And I was measuring COVID because I wanted to see how a virus spread. And there's a funny part here where, you know, this gain of function concept came up with Fauci. Then, you know, I had this concept of a soul. So how I use this system as a tool is I use the soul, the star soul, to house my soul. And then I call it soul information system. I relate myself to each of the planets. I use mercury for communication, transactional type stuff, the 88 constellations, all that.

Venus is health. You know, my creative areas of the moon. We talked about the scientific method, the markets, Mars. And I'm pretty sure, you know, other cultures have done this same thing. So the idea was, well, maybe I can grab everyone else's soul and hang it up, you know, in this shape in the sun and say, hey, your souls are over there. And it would be gain of function where when they go grab it back, it's got this new new girth to it where they got a where they can relate themselves to each of the planets. So, you know, that's, I say it as a joke there. But, but I don't

know what we're going to develop as tools for this what i do know is is that they're going to be very interesting and they're going to be they're going to we're going to grow our understanding of of what we are even existing as as information beings in ourselves you know the the you know it's vast out there so well to the point of space revolution i think we're on the cusp of some things that are just going to absolutely dramatically change absolutely everything in ways that we can't even imagine. Yep. And just remember, God is truth. So we just keep that as our North Star and we're going to be good. So thank you both very much. Thank you audience for listening. Thank you for the chat. And I'll reach out individually for people that might want to have a little more information than I do here loud and clear.

Examples would be helpful. So we'll try to do more of that as we go. But we are building this together. And we need a tool as a human race to defend against what evil is doing with AI. and potentially quantum. And we better build a tool before that comes or we're going to be in deep trouble. So thank you, and God bless everybody. We'll see you next week. Thank you.

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