Badlands Media - Spellbreakers Ep. 157: Friction Comes to Badlands

Episode Date: March 7, 2026

In Episode 157 of Spellbreakers, Matt Trump dives into the sudden wave of “friction” that erupted across Badlands shows following heated debates about the current war, Israel’s role as an ally, and whether viewers should ultimately trust Donald Trump’s strategic decisions. Using the explosive exchanges between JB White and Alpha & CannCon on Y-Chromes and SITREP as a starting point, Matt examines how intense disagreements can look chaotic on the surface but may actually represent a healthy process of truth-seeking. Matt frames the clashes as a kind of intellectual prize fight, comparing the back-and-forth to the legendary Ali vs. Frazier bouts of the 1970s. He explores how strong personalities, military culture, and adversarial debate can sharpen ideas rather than divide a community. The episode also digs into deeper issues fueling the disagreement, including the USS Liberty incident, the history of wartime alliances, and the uncomfortable reality that the public rarely has all the information during war. Ultimately, Matt argues that friction is inevitable in a movement trying to understand complex geopolitical events, and that trust, debate, and realpolitik all collide in moments like this.

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What a week it's been. What a week it's been to think that the last time that we were here on the air on the spellbreakers, we were just hours away from the start of the war. In fact, I was just looking at. at the schedule of how the war had started, and I saw that on Onlylands had ended at about 10.30, we always called it at 10.30 my time here in Arizona, which was 12.30 Eastern time. And so the first bombings began about 45 minutes after that, after we got up there, the only last week. So, of course, none of us knew that was going to happen. None of us knew

the extent to which the world would seem very different within a week, within just a few days. but different in what way. You know, I don't, partly I don't want to overestimate it. I'm not telling you anything that you guys don't already know, but just a few observations about it. In tonight's episode, I entitled it, friction comes to badlands.

And I've heard the word friction used a lot over the last week. And some people were making the immediate conclusion that, of course, it refers to a couple shows that were on over the week, which was the Wycromes on Monday, and then last night on SitREP, which featured a pretty much a bare knuckles brawl

between J.B. White and Alpha over the subject of the war, of the role of Israel over well, that was the main thing. There were other things that I know

J.B. greatly disagrees with some other people here on Badlands about. I have a, I watch his show. I try to watch his show in the morning. This show is on at 6 o'clock in the morning at my time, 8 o'clock Eastern, 6 o'clock here in Arizona. And unfortunately, I had to tell J.B. this morning that I've been watching a lot of, because I've been watching a lot of the shows that have been on the air over the last couple weeks, trying to watch as many Badland shows as possible. It's because I decided I would do that. And unfortunately, though, I don't know how much more I can watch a show because of daylight savings time of all things. Here in Arizona, we don't change their clocks. Everybody else changes their clock, which means that everything is tied to anything happening in the rest of the world all of a sudden happens an hour earlier. Which means for me and my show, here in Arizona, I go on the air here at 7 p.m. That means I'm going to go on the air at 6 p.m., which is fine. and it means I get to go to bed a little bit earlier if I stay on Rowlinglands.

But for everybody else, if you're watching it outside of Arizona, it's going to be on a clock time as before. But for me, his show is going to be on at 5 a.m. So I was really trying to soak it in this week. And as it happened, this was a great week to sort of sync up with J.B. White's opinions. He is, of all the Badlanders here, he's the one that is my oldest friend

in terms of, and I don't mean old in terms of age, which he and I are probably the oldest nearest theorem Badlands Poor both. He's six years older than me. So he's definitely, you know, a half-step generation before me in terms of mentality, being a baby boomer. I feel more like I'm the oldest member of Generation X. Most of the time, I've always felt that before I even knew So we see the world a little bit differently, just generationally, in our perspectives, plus we're just different people, of course. So if you've been following this week, you saw that we on Ychromes. So I was actually on Monday, I was listening to John.

And John's going through a lot of struggles, too, about this. And that's what I mean by, I wanted to say that what I mean is friction here, badlands. I don't necessarily just mean the disagreements about the war and about Israel and about Russia between JV, who's sort of an outlier in a lot of ways and some of the other hosts. I don't necessarily mean just that. I also mean the friction inside all of us that I think we're feeling right now, all of us, about the war. Now, some of you may not have that kind of friction going on, but I think everybody, for everybody, it's given us a reason to pause. in our thoughts and take a breath and decide what our own opinions are about this.

Are they the same opinions that we had? Are they the same opinions? Do we have the same thoughts we were having even just a couple weeks ago? Have we changed our opinion about Trump? do we do we think this is the right thing to do right now with the war and all of these things are very good questions how do we

how do we feel about Israel as our greatest ally that's a big one right a big one and I've got some material tonight that's Israel related I don't know if we'll get to it I do want to address this thing about the friction though now I don't think it's going to matter

for bad lands in the long run I think it's healthy. I watched the show on Monday. I was watching John on Monday, and John faded over to White Crumbs, which is still going on. So they go on at the same time on Monday. And like everybody who went along with that, we got dropped right down in the middle of a very heavy debate. Usually that's a very light show, their show on Monday. But this one was pretty heavy, and then baby was really, he was, he was, well what about J.B

He's not here so I can't speak for him but I know he would probably say he's very strong opinions he likes to truth through through an adversarial process in part because he's an attorney

but he just has very strong opinions and he expresses them and a subject came up I think the flashpoint subject that really set it off on Monday about Israel and whether or not we should consider Israel

to be the ally that we've been told they are or should we at least take a more skeptical point of view of that or even a more something stronger than that. I think Gordon most of the base of Patrick Henry is one of the strongest in terms of pushing back on the idea that Israel is our greatest outlet. The others are too, but I think it's very consistent in that kind of point of view. And all of this, of course, is created not just, we're not just talking about the friction again

between J.B. and Alpha over the issue. Specifically, the flashpoint was what set it off was discussion of U.S. Liberty. incident, which was in 1967, and whether or not we should consider that as indicative, as whether we should take that into consideration in terms of how we look at our alliance right now, because we certainly do have an wartime alliance with Israel right at the moment in prosecuting this war. And I consider it a war. I have no problem considering a war. It's a matter of semantics, whether it's a war or not, whether legally or not, I don't think that really matters. I think it's definitely a war.

And I'll give you, I'll give you my own thoughts about the war in a moment, but I don't want to really dwell on that. I just want to say that I think this, I think the discussion that they, those guys were having is heated as it was. It was very healthy debate. And it was so, you know, they resolved and said, okay, let's get you on sit rep, J.B, because he's usually not on sit rep. It's the show that Alpha in CanCon have together

as fellow Marines, right, on Thursday night. And J.B. was in the Army, so there's that kind of rivalry right there. And so they brought J.B. on. And it was really... I joked that it felt like Ali Frazier in the 1970s. So Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier, Smoke and Joe Frazier, bought a three famous, I think they were all championship fights.

One of the two of them was for the championship in each of the three fights. From 1971 until 1971 through 1975, I think was the last one. And Frazier won the first one. I think that was, I think, it was probably been Muhammad Ali's first defeat. And then Muhammad Ali won the next few. In between all that, he also won, he also won George Fleurman. This was the heyday of boxing. We don't have anything like this right now.

In the 70s, boxing was still a sport that America paid attention to for the most part. Maybe you didn't when you were lied in. I would say it was one of those sports that was on the radar of importance, way more than it is now, way more. And when there was a prize fight, they would broadcast it on network television. and everybody knew. And as a boy in the 70s, you'd go home and watch it.

You always wanted to watch it because you want to talk about it's cool the next day. Of course you wanted to see all that. And you like Muhammad Ali? Maybe you didn't, you know. So there was a big deal. Culturally, it was a much bigger deal. So I knew that people who were alive at the time would sort of get that reference because it has it because of the promotion of it because of the buildup of it but by the time

Thursday came around we'd all been waiting for it like okay it not like we were going to look for somebody to land a knockout punch and and we didn't want that at first of all the idea the kind of friction the guys were having on Monday was very indicative of a kind of masculine conflict particularly indicative of guys that have been in the military, which is that, you know, you can have a, you can throw punches at each other and call each other names and then your best buddies afterwards. And that's, I think men can do that more than women,

even women in terms of pushing the limit of conflict and then shaking hands afterwards. I was not in the military. I did teach it. I did teach at a Catholic school in New York. It was a boys Catholic school. And that was a pretty rowdy place. And one time in the teacher's lounge,

one of the other teachers, it was way out of control. And I was, that was, I don't know what I do. This was my first high school teaching assignment. And it was a female teacher, and she said to me, yeah, well, you know, whatever, just keep in mind that this is a lot easier than teaching at a girl's school, he said. I was like, oh, really?

It's plain to me. He said, well, here's the thing is, you know, girls are very, girls are very passive-aggressive, and they'll, you know, the boys will be rowdy and all that, but the girls will really make your life hell in a very subtle way, and they do how to get your skin. And she said, that's something that I always remember, and this may be a common saying among common knowledge, but she said, you know, on the first day of freshman year, if you're a teacher at a boy school, if you yell at a boy, you yell at a boy, that by the end, by the end of the day, he's going to be your best time. You know, and, but if on the first day of your freshman year,

you yell at a girl, she'll give you the finger at graduation, she said. So, okay, that's good to keep in mind. So I think what we saw on Monday was sort of an extreme example of a type of a masculine conflict that looks really contentious and personal. But if he saw it at the end, they were all smiled at the end. And I really believe that they had genuine affection for each other and could put aside those difference in shake hands. And so it was a healthy, it was a healthy debate. And I thought it brought out, I think JV's got some points, you know. They both scored points on Monday, and I think they both scored a lot of points. I was trying to do my title card, you know, judging the show,

who landed these punches last night, but really got into it. It was really great seeing them back and see it there. I thought it was really healthy. So that part of the friction coming to Badlands, I think that's okay. But I think I want to return to this idea that I mentioned, that there's friction in all of us, maybe, right now, of coping with this. I know I feel it. There's all sorts of emotions.

A lot of, you know, how do I feel about my, am I in favor of the war, first of all? Now, for me, the answer is definitely yes. And the reason is, is because, well, this was the issue that really pushed J.D.'s button, I think, which is that with the other ones, is this idea that, do we trust Donald Trump? And, you know, J.B. was using very colorful language describing, you know, trust no, Trust Donald Trump. Trust him on this. I know, I'm not telling you you have to do this.

But for me, I certainly still do in this sense. And that's the bottom line. You know, if any other, anybody else was prosecuting this war, I might feel very different. I would feel very differently about it. I'm sure. I'm sure I would. And it comes down to trusting Trump. And one of the reasons that I want to trust him, right?

now because I think we all know and definitely he knows that this is for all the marbles with his entire program make America great again his entire presidency he's rolling the dice with this now maybe the dice are loaded in his favor but it's definitely he's staking the entire project his presidency on this if this did not go well if this and by going well you know not going well. There's any number of ways that could not go well. But probably the worst way it could not go well is if it dragged on in a long war. And if that happened, that would basically endanger the entire mega project. I think we all realize that. That's what we're taking this. So Trump would know that. He would know that. J.B. would use colorful language to tell you how much you

need to trust that. And I think on this, he's right. I'm with him on this. I'm with Trump. I'm with J.B. on this particular issue. And that includes Trump's statement. This is where we get into some thorny wickets. I know some of you are going to have varying feelings about it, which is consideration of Israel as our ally in this. Now, I want to make it clear. When we talk about Israel as our ally, I want to say that I see that and support that idea in regard to the current military operation. And I do that because Donald Trump is saying that they are. And I think it is. And as I was watching the debate, so the debate on last night, if you didn't see it,

the debate last night got heavily, it got off to a very strange part, right out of the gate. right out of the gate alpha led with this idea of Israel maybe not being our greatest ally. Now, that's an idea. I totally get the idea of APA, the idea of Israel being a troublesome ally, if you will. And I'm using very modest description. You can, there's a lot. I just did two shows about 9-11, guys. And we all know where 9-11 truth leads one, right?

So I don't, let's, let's not have any illusions in regard to that. So the, let's keep that in mind. I want to keep that in mind that in all of that context, in regard to the current war, Donald Trump said Israel is our ally and so Israel's are ally. And part of the reason maybe I can accept that in my mind a little bit more than other people can is just a study of history. And if you look at history throughout most of history, wars were decided upon and prosecuted in a way that was not by democracy, usually. The war is different in the age of democracies, because in the age of democracies, the 20th century, it seems to behoove us to accept that the entire nations go to war, and that the age of, that, the age of democracies, the 20th century, it seems to behove us to accept that, that, the nation,

go to war with allies and against other nations as peoples, all of us together, participating in it as a democratic nation. Whereas in the past, wars were decided upon by kings and ministers, and the people were sort of somewhat in the backseat of all this. In some ways, there were fewer feelings to worry about. And so one of the consequences of that is that it was a lot more easy for the rulers of these nations to shift their alliances. You might be going to war against a nation, and then 10 years later, you're allied with that nation. That was a very common scenario. It's not very common now at all. now we take the whole thing way more personally.

So I think this was a source of the friction last night in regard to the USS Liberty, which, so that was 1967, an American spy ship off the coast of Israel was attacked by the Israeli Air Force. Under mysterious circumstances, 34 American sailors were killed for the ship. it's what happened exactly did the Israelis know they were attacking an American ship? I don't know. I can't tell you.

You know, J.B. was very reluctant to feed any ground there except maybe everything you say is true. Because Alfa was saying, here, listen, these guys knew they were attacking Americans. They attacked Americans. For over an hour, they knew what they were doing.

They they clearly did it maliciously. They, and for whatever reason, trying to sink it, maybe. And then you would never have known what happened to it. You wouldn't have known that it was Israel that attacked the U.S. J.P.'s response was basically, well, I knew the moment last night, and they brought it up again. They've gotten into the liberty on U.S.

liberty, which most of you sometimes, sure probably know about the USS Liberty in that. On Monday, when they had to come up, that the J.B. had been, you know, let's see, this doesn't matter. Get over it. Get over it, basically. It doesn't matter right now. I can actually see his point of view that for the moment right now, Israel's our ally. And like I said, in the past this would have been, well, maybe they did do it maliciously,

but you're our ally now. That's sort of an old style of war. We're not used to that at all. We don't, We don't really like that. We're like, you did something wrong and evil to us. And until there's justice over that in particular, we're not going to forgive you. That's sort of a more 20th century attitude because we are democracy. And we're an open society. And we all are sovereigns.

We don't have a king. We, the people are the king. We are the sovereign. And we don't like, you know, we don't like accepting that kind of wrong. The Israelis certainly don't like, no, they don't let go of grudges like that. We know that. And so, well, we're not going to let go of that one. How you feel about it?

I'm going to look in the chat here in a minute because I bet there's opinions all over the all over about it. But my attitude, I should say, is very practical, very very. realpolitik, they would have called it in the 70s, which is for the moment, Israel is our ally. I accept that. Trump said, and I'm willing to

go along with that. I'm willing to decide all of the things that might cause me to bulk at that. Now, J.B. would be more like he did not like the discussion about the U.S.

on Monday. And when, last night, when Alpha came out and led with that, like his first salvo, Alvo, Alpha was, funny, was, let's talk about the USS Liberty. And I saw J.B. just rolled back his chair and I could see, oh, wow, this is it. This is it right there. You know, I had joked with him in the chat. You know, I had joked with him before that started. I said, I said, somebody mentioned righteous Russia, because that's another one of his big buttons. He does not, he will hear nothing about sovereign alliances with Russia and try that and how Trump is secretly working with Russia and China with Xi. He will hear nothing

about that. He's just like, I don't want to hear that, you know, and that's putting it mildly. And I've talked to him in private before about this. And I understand where he's coming from, because he sort of appealed to me. It's like, you know what I'm talking about, right? We don't trust the Russians. We never, and I was like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Maybe I do feel a little bit more closely aligned with him. And with that, I'm much more skeptical about alliances with Russia and China.

I would love to be wrong about that, by the way. I'd love to be wrong about that. I'd love to think that there's something like that going on. But I don't see evidence of it in a way that convinces me of that. You know, so, so there, you know, I've got things that, that, that I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I don't think he'd, he'd appreciate my skepticism about Israel being really, that this is, but in the bottom line is, you trust Trump to prosecute this war in the way that it be necessary, because we know, John, John, are, you know, he's got, he's got some really good points he's been making.

And he keeps, he's the one that keeps using the word friction. So, you know, he's got some good points about why, why this is confusing, I guess, to us. And because one of the things is clearly Trump is not telling us the truth about the war in a way that seems to make sense to us. There was something imminent. I mean, we've all, we went down the path of Saddam Hussein as weapons of mass destruction. We all remember that. We all know how phony that was. People are really sensitive about that kind of thing now.

And so to hear Trump say, well, we've got to attack them now. It's like, what, you know, not that I doubt him that. I'm willing to accept that we needed to do this now. I'm totally willing to accept that. But the idea that, you know, clearly Trump is not putting all the cards on the table. But you know what? We don't want him to put all the cards on the table. We don't want him to be frank and honest because this is war.

And in wartime, you have to be deceptive. Trump has said so in the art of the deal. He's a follower of Sun Su. And Sun Su is very clear. You know, you have to be, you have to deceive your enemy. So in some sense, Trump is he has to tell us something. And yet we know, we know, I think all of us in the MAGA movement know, that he's not able to tell us all the reasons,

all the information he has that are discovered. This is one of the things that Jay-D was feeling up. You know, do you think, he was really, he was really going after Alpha with this idea. Like, can you, can you say you know as much as Donald? Are you smarter than Donald Trump? He's sitting there, he's getting the briefing every day. You're not privy to all that.

He knows things that we don't know. And this is all frustrated to all of us. There are things that we don't know and things that we know we don't know. How are we supposed to make a judgment? We fall back on our gut and our trust. Let me look at the chat. I want to see what you guys are saying. I went back and look.

Yeah, Sammy the squirrel says, I just landed right on. You wrote my first substack today breaking down all the known facts about John. I read yours, the substack, Sammy. I thought you had a timeline. I love timelines. Thank you for putting that together. I'm glad I saw your name there because I wanted to. The EC was here.

Let's see. Oh, he's correct telling of something. Hello, my darling Cherie. I want to thank you personally. The Rumble app on my iPad is so terrible that I cannot find Badland shows. And so, but you feed, you repost Badland shows in your own feet. And sometimes that's the only way I can find the show that's about to be on. It's very, the way it works out.

$1.I.M.1. I think J.B. was making the argument that there is issues between our nation we can deal with it later. Yes, yes. Just like in World War II when the U.S. allied with Russia, it was only because Germany invaded them first. Yeah, J.B. was also making that point sort of in regard to Iran, that one of the points, oh, look at Ukraine. So J.B. is very pro-Ukraine, very anti-Russia in that conflict, and he doesn't really appreciate this idea that, well, there's not Nazis in the Ukraine. Come on. He's like, he falls back on World War II and says, listen, if you're in between the Nazis and the Soviets, I'm probably going to pick the Germans.

It's really. And I totally get that. I think that's a correct interpretation of the situation in Ukraine in in the Second World War. All right. So the biggest part is what we don't know. We don't. So what was that? There's a famous quote by Donald Rumsfeld, right?

There's the known unknowns and then there's the unknown unknowns, right? and everybody was easy talking. But it made sense. I think I'm reflecting it makes sense, right? It's going to become part of our language. The best is yet to come. I don't see why anyone ask G.D. if he trusts our government or if he believes

the official story. Are you, okay. In regard to what, you know? So I have to say that I do, sometimes I find, I want J.B. to explain more about what he actually believes about certain things. He'll say, you know, this person's way off the market. I want to say, how, tell me how. And so I really do want to understand his point of view a little bit more,

because I know that my point of view is not the correct one. How can I be? How can I be the person who has one? None of us. We all have partial information. But we can update it for information. And the way I tend to do that is I tend to try to adopt somebody's point of view and put it on like a suit. Try it out. How does it work? How does this work for me? If I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if I'm, if a baby has a certain point of view. If I adopt that point of view in regard to everything's going on, does that help me understand more or does it, does it, does it choose me more in regard to things that I know?

and other things that I think I know. Is that going to work or not and why not? And this is a technique that I think has worked out pretty well for me. And I'll get to the person who's helped me to navigate through this confused. But let's get back to this idea of our friction. I think Rebel Nader was in the chat before the show started. And I think we were both agreement about something.

Rebel Nader, he's sort of agadifying some of these discussions. And I know he's made, not everybody's a fan of us, but hey, that, that, you know, that's the kind of thing that earns

your respect to somebody like JV. Strong, Yang, he goes throwing Yang, right? Get into it. Say what you believe, right? That's his point of view. And so What we're talking about here?

Oh, Reblinator. Yeah. That this is good for Badlands, this. It shows the health of our community, what's going on right there. That we are able to not just accept blindly. Like I said, I'm not. I'm not. I do still have to be discernment about this and verify that, okay, yes.

I do trust him in this, and I think that's the thing, that despite the fact that it might get rough, it might get rough. Today, it was rough, right, with that girl school, which we don't know the details about yet. But it's the kind of thing that's going to happen, and it's the kind of thing you know that Trump's political opponents, both in the Republican and Democratic parties, are going to seize upon, and mostly in the Democratic Party, of course, to, to try to tear him down in the midst of all this. And, you know, I have to, I was watching Matt Morris before this is coverage. And he was broadcasting some, some things live from Tehran, when some of the bombings going on. And so in the girl school thing came up.

And, you know, he was talking about it. And, okay, I forgot. Point is again. I got it. I'll look at some of your attempt. I'll come back to talking so fast that I lose my point sometimes. Eleanor 2000, let's see, I'm awakening to the reality that what I believe taught about Israel

was the right best thing Heisler Heiser said is that revelation is not necessarily was written for them. Yeah, I think we're all in the midst of a lot of, I don't know exactly what you're referring to with that person, but of course, I think I know what you mean by revelation, that there is this idea that we need to be less rigid in certain interpretations we may have had, especially in regards to the, let's face it.

There is this idea that Israel, the nation right now may play a key role in, biblical processing at the end times, providing you believe in that. I know not everybody even though that, you know, some people are atheists, but even if you do, that those can be the easiest things

to be wrong about it. I remember during the, during the Iraq War from 9091. So started in 1990, continued on in 91, we got into it. January 15th,

1991, if I'm specific. August 2nd, 1990s when it started. I could tell that day, that was a that was, you talk about turning points. The world was a beautiful, seemed like

a beautiful place for a couple years. And it's right at the end of the 80s and early 90s. And when Saddam Hussein, when I was actually on a train and we arrived in, I was on an overnight train coming up from Italy. And I had gone on a trip. I literally,

been all around the world. I called it the Cold War Victory Lab. I flew to Japan and then into China. I traveled to China. I took the train across Russia, the trans-Mongolian. And then came down and I met my future ex-wife, a girlfriend at the time in Italy. And we had traveled there. She's from an Calgary, so it was a great trip. Then I took the overnight train. I had some friends in Paris. I arrived in Paris and the only way you could get news back then was for the newspapers that told the reviews have for sale

and I got off the train and it was like Iraq invades Kuwait and little did I know that this was going to start a whole cycle of history but really the really the beautiful time of history was over and we started this whole cycle after that

and that that was you know, that was a time people talked about biblical prophecy a lot too, because, you know, it wound up with the UN resolution to, you know, that there was all really George Bush, orchestrating the UN to American leadership. So it was the global order with the American flag on it, which we all loved. That's how they sold this on globalism, because they united the world, a big global effort behind the UN, I made sure that it had an American flag out front. And everybody, everybody loved it.

Oh, liberals loved it because it was the UN. The UN is doing it. Well, not. There was some. And conservatives loved it because it had an American flag on it. Put an American flag on it, and all the conservatives were like, yeah, let's go get it. You know, we all along with it to some degree. And it is how we got a new world order.

But they talked about the biblical prophecy at the time because it says, you know, Gog and Magog, the two powers of the North shall unite together. And it was just like, oh, maybe this is the Battle of Armageddon. And well, maybe it was, I don't know. But it's not something you hear a lot about now. And ever since then, you know, that was maybe the first time we had a kind of military action in the late 20th century people talked about, being apocalyptic and biblical, prophetic in the biblical sense. And so I want you to keep that in mind in terms of applying that, because we don't know. God has a plan, and we don't know it.

We don't know it. In retrospect, it may all make sense. This is all my belief, right? I don't know if what I'm saying is actually even biblically accurate. This is sort of how I roll with this issue. So I think we're all going to wind up being humbled to some degree about this. We should all of us to some degree. The degree to which how much, you know, are we going to have to repudiate Donald Trump?

Because this turns out to be the worst thing that ever happened in America. Are we going to have to do that? I hope not. I certainly hope not. All right, 672. I've been to do a couple of our sponsors. And then we'll... We've got another Rumble rant.

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but it is this. Okay, I'm going to focus this, so I don't lose my train of thought here. Having to do with the war. I did want to say, I did want to mention that, that we talk about being humbled. I think we're all going to be humbled. And the humility, the process of being humbled in our beliefs is something that's going to cause for ourselves. I was talking about rebel to revelryvelry about this at the beginning.

We don't like this. We don't like being wrong. And one of the reasons that a lot of us have already been wrong out of the gate was a week ago, which is the last time the show was on. A lot of us, me included, I was telling somebody in a private message, but I didn't think that there was going to be a war. I didn't think there's going to be a big war, like a World War III. But really, I meant I don't think there could be a war.

and I don't like telling people, you know, oh, don't worry, there's not going to be war. And then there's a war. That's exactly what happened in 1991. I didn't think that we were going to start that campaign against Saddam Hussein. I didn't think that was going to happen. And that's exactly what did happen. And I remember the night of January 15th, 1991, and the circumstances that were of that of that, and feeling humiliated about that.

And it wasn't, I didn't even tell anybody about that, but you know, you don't want to be wrong in any predictions. Now, I should say that I'm always wrong in all my predictions. So I'm never right about my predictions. So even as I told the person, I don't think there's going to be a war. I was like, well, I sure sealed it right there probably. now there's probably definitely going to be a war. And that's right. So I know myself enough to know that whatever.

Like I really know. Oh, that's just that's just nothing really. Right. That's psychological games we play with ourselves, right? But let me tell you about one of the reasons that I feel okay with what's going on right here. Okay with the alliance with Israel. Real politics alliance with Israel. and confident that it's confident in Trump's judgment

to be doing what he's doing without even the ability to tell us why everything is happening. That's that, well, you know that, so I'm sure you all remember the first time that Trump was running for president and how much opposition he faced and how probable it seemed like.

he was ever going to get elected and how he aroused the entire opposition pretty much of the entire republican party against in a way that was very that exposed them especially like bushes and that whole faction that controls party the public and the public party at the time and there were so many people so at the time i was following a guy that you've heard of i'm sure you've heard of promise wictor some of you maybe some of you have it. Thomas Wicker, talk about beers. He was a music critic.

Somehow he wound up on his Twitter account. I think I found him through Brian Kate and maybe Patrick Gell's. There was a small group of people who were tweeting reliably, I think maybe Brian

and a couple other people who were really latched on, it wasn't Dr. Patrick yet. He came to later. But there were were talking about Trump and his, he actually believed in him, and believed that he could win. And Thomas Wicter was one of them. And Thomas Wicter really would get angry with Trump. He was a Trump supporter. He said, I didn't believe in Trump until I saw the first debate,

the first Republican debate. And that was that in that debate, he saw that Trump had debated all of the Republican candidates on stage. And that, and that, but the second time, in the second debate, he said, Trump clearly had studied that he had used the, study, study all the candidates. And he came back just and demolished them one by one from what he had learned in the first debate. And Wicter said, I realized then that he was completely different than I thought he was. And I thought, this guy's going to win. And he read, he read Art of the Deal, he learned that Trump makes basically his entire strategy

out of Suns, dues, Hardin' War. And, okay, this guy is completely not who I thought I was. This guy can win. Of course he was right. But there were a lot of people following whom also were Trump supporters who would get weak knees. And Wichter hated that.

He hated. He was like, you know, he was like a sergeant on the battle. field in the jungle, you know. It's like yelling at people, get out of your, you know, get up. Don't be such a pussy, you know. And he'd take people to task for their lack of faith in Trump and said, you guys, you're going to be proven wrong over and over again because you don't believe in Trump. You're losing faith.

Oh, Trump's done. This is surely going to, oh, what's he going to do now? And I remember all through the primaries in 2015. there was this idea, oh, they're going to stop him. They're not going to let him win. We're going to figure out a way to ambush him in the state and that state. And Wichter can think, don't worry. They've gamed this out.

They've gamed this out. They know ahead of time what states they need to win. He says, this is going to be over by April. You guys think this is going to go to the convention. Remember that? It's going to go to the convention. They're going to nominate case stitch. you know, one Ohio, you know, and they're going to be a split convention and they're going to deny

a nomination. Oh, no, what are we going to do? This is so terrible. And Wickers's like, slap, you know, like that and slapping Robin in that card. Like, keep a hold of yourself. That's not going to happen. Trump's already figured this out. And he was right. By April, it was over. It didn't go to the convention all over. Somehow Trump knew the state that he had. to win in. How can he do that? They're so against him. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know.

So he was totally right. And at that point, I realized, okay, this guy knows what he's talking about. And he did that all the way through the general election too. And then into the next term. He says, you guys are, you don't have faith in Trump. And this is what J.B. has been saying to. You don't really believe. Now, I'm not saying faith like faith in God.

I'm just personal faith. You don't trust him. to actually be who you want him and, you know, and we get that because we're all flawed and we think, oh, how can there be such a person like now who actually is one step ahead of the game and all this? But he was. And even during that 2016 election, it's like, oh, no, he won,

but it's too narrow of a margin. And Hillary is going to contest the election in Michigan and after a recount, and they're going to figure out a way to deny Trump is in Michigan in Pennsylvania. were unprecedented, but very narrow, you know, thanks to the Amish on Pennsylvania, you know, turned out in their buggies.

And it's like, don't worry. You guys, they figured this out. There's Judas goats. He said there's a judas goat that told them the wrong filing date, and they didn't even file on the right date in Michigan, and they missed it. Or I think it was Jill Stein who was going to. They're causing chaos.

He was right. But they didn't. Hillary didn't contest the election. I think we know why now is because it would have led to an exposure of the underlying mechanisms that they didn't use in 2016 because they didn't think they needed to.

They didn't think they're going to need it in 2016 so they didn't try to steal it. At least not on the scale of going to do in 2020. They kept that apparatus and they would use it later. So Wicter was right, once again. And then even when Trump was in office, people were like, oh, but he's not going to get anything done.

And I think the biggest moment of crisis was, so I, up until that point, I had a friend who was very strong. And he had been with me through 9-11, 9-11 truth through all of that. I mentioned I'm on the show a couple times. He lived in Jersey City and when I lived in Staten Island and then I met up with him later years later. Now that we agreed about everything when we did before. And when Trump came along, he's like, yeah, I'm on board with this. And that's when we, that's when I'm still listening to Alex Jones and all this. this. So that was my friend Rick. And he was, you know, he's like, oh, yay, this is great. He blackpilled early on

about Trump. He blackfilled very early on about Trump. He was, you know what it was. It's something that people don't even think about right now. Remember the Moab? Remember the mother of all bombs that Trump dropped on Al-Qaeda in Syria? Trump said, I'm going to take out Al-Qaeda. We'll think as a month to rid of al-Qaeda. And so he dropped the Moab, which was part of that. And my friend Rick, he was out. He was like, Trump, listen to this, because you've heard this over the last week.

Maybe you said this. Trump promised no wars. Or at least I voted for Trump so that we would never have wars. We don't have wars like the neocons. I should say I did not vote for Trump with the idea that there would be no wars. I didn't need that for Trump. Some people did. Some people have, and this is again part of the freshman.

It's like, I've heard this among Badlands hosts. I voted for Trump, no wars. Now we got a war. I'm out. I might be out. My friend Rick was out with Moab. You know what? What's happened to Al-Qaeda?

It got wiped out. Now, how did that happen? Again, I'll fall back on Wikipedia. And this is something that I think, so I've got to cut a little rant here. I got another rumble rant from ZEM. I just saw it go by. I got to do my rumble rants before they disappear out of the chat window.

I don't have this ability that, I don't use the Badlands Rumble account where they can all see all the rumble rants at the end. The broadcast has to do it. I have to do them on the floor. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, basically. I have no doubt that he has read the government that has been made of changing different.

It sounded like you were saying, this isn't the time guy. exactly ZBM. I think that's what Trump is saying. Now, J.B. is not on board with the Q idea. You save Israel for less. And what it means is

he's going to take care of the Israel left wing. He really admires at Yahoo. He thinks he's a badass. And he's got that kind of mentality about it. And he says, well, if the Q. If the Q means anything about it, it means that he's going to save it to last to take

care of the Israeli left wing that's going after Netanyahu with lawfare. That's something that I'll leave that to say B. because I don't see that. You know, maybe he's right, but that doesn't, that seems, that doesn't seem to have a ring of truth to me about that. But I think what you said ZBM is correct, that there is, this is not the time. Right now, this is the time to do this. There may be another time for all this.

but I wanted to say about Victor so among other things of course Victor is the one who sort of came up with the devolution idea he dropped out of sight and he's still on Twitter

but he does a tweet and he does a weekly or semi-monthly broadcast with Saul Montes Bradley who's probably his killer because somehow it would be a sense that he was being fed stuff

that was almost like he was almost like a one-man cue made. That's one interpretation. And Sal Montez-Bradley, I'm so, I went, for curiosity, I went to the broadcast where Wicter and Saul Monta's had the beard blather, beard blather, and I went to see it, and I was like, oh, I want to see what Wicter has to say about what's going on. Now, the broadcast they made, evidently, I think, was before the war started. So I was like, oh, I'm interested in what Wicker has to say. And I scrolled, it was like two hours. I scrolled through it, you know, and it was like 90% of it looked like it was

Sal Montes Bradley talked. I'm so not interested in anything that guy, say. Zero interest. Victor, yeah. Now, Victor, now, Victor would probably say, well, that just makes you not, you know, you're, you know, Victor's not very charitable when he disagrees with somebody.

Let's just say that. But one of the things he said that really stood. So he was big on this idea that you remember in 27, during his first year when Trump went to Saudi Arabia and he did this forward thing and the globe, and he basically solidified, Wickedr's idea was this is when

solidified the alliance with Muhammad bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, and that this was essentially the start of the New Middle East. That in Wichter's fundamental thesis, was what Trump was, able to do, create a new era of peace

in the Middle East, or at least the framework for it, the three-part alliance between Saudi Arabia, led by the reformist MBS, who was very interested in liberalization, wanted to throw out the old Islamic

lobbyism model and bring Saudi Arabia from the modern world. This is Wichter's idea. But Israel was an equal partner, too. but it couldn't be official yet. So officially, it's unofficially behind the scenes with Trump. You had Trump, you had Netanyahu and Israel, Saudi Arabia, with a three-part alliance that was going to bring peace in the Middle East.

And the first order of business was to liquidate al-Qaeda, which was created in part, of course, by the Obama administration and was by the bad element in the CIA to cause permanent chaos in the Middle East. So you got rid of that. So, Victor delineated the roles of responsibility of this new Middle Eastern order. So it was Saudi Arabia, I should say, ended Gulf cooperation council, the CPC. It was an existing alliance among the Gulf state members, the ones that just got to get by Iran. And it was primarily aimed at Iran, this whole thing, it was meant to counteract Iran's influence.

Now, Iran's influence, where is that coming from? I know some people have various ideas of it. Has Iran been a chaos state of the deep state, a chaos playground of the deep state? Has its instability served the instance of the deep state? Let's save that for another night. But for right now, supposedly, according to Wicter's idea, each of these three parts, the GCC plus Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United States

would have these areas of responsibility in bringing out a new golden age of peace. So the role of, in Wicter's view, the role of the United States was, well, the role of Israel was what, let's start with that. Israel, according to Wicter, and if you've ever watched Victor's videos,

you would see he was very much into trying to figure out the weapon from videos. And he got a lot of flack for people thinking he was nuts. He said, Israel is making a new generation of weapons that will allow the liquidation of Al Qaeda at the time. And anybody else in a way, for example, weird drones that would go into a house and blow up everything inside and take out the house without causing collateral damage to anything. next to it. So eliminate this thing that he's real had a chronic problem with, which is causing collateral damage. This is long before October 7th of last year. Let's just leave that aside for the moment, because that's a whole separate issue. I have a lot of stuff about weird Israeli stuff like that, lost flags that we'll talk about some of the night. I cueed it all up, but we're not giving it to me. That was Wickers idea. Was Israel would would

would build and develop advanced weaponry, then share the United States and with the Arabs, who were now secretly Israeli allies. This sounded nuts at the time. But I'll get to you why I'm talking about it now. He said, in the role of the Saudis and the GCC was to supply the boots on the ground. That was their role ultimately. But not in the conventional way like sending in troops, because the era of that is over.

We're not in that era anymore. We're not in the era where we send in, you know, we send in anything like we had in Operation Desert Storm, where we have tank columns moving through the desert. That era is over. We don't do that anymore. We have now, we're in the era of strategic special forces. So what are strategic specials? So you know what special forces are in their role. Strategic special force is the emphasis on strategic

and that basically you have the idea that with modern, with modern communications technology and modern portable weaponry, you can have one guy that essentially has the functions like an entire division groups in the old days, old days being 30 years ago. that's that we have a revolution and that this is what now keep in mind that we had we had the development Donald Trump basically promoted special forces being a sixth branch of service right we don't really hear about this thing right they're almost their own branch that means strategic special forces you know gathering the special forces of all the other branches of the service and creating

forces that are where again one or a couple people have the battlefield effect of division might be stretching. That kind of thing.

He said this is how Iraq was finally won, how the Iraq war, because how the Iraq war ended finally. And Al-Qaeda was liquidated at least until Biden got back to the case and then it revved back up again. because of course that Biden

Biden was in the third term and of course they tried to bring back the chaos. Obama is a menace, a traitor, one of the worst human beings ever to be an American politician. Of course they tried to undo all that. It's gone again now.

It's gone again now because they were so easy to liquidate. Ultimately it was very easy to get rid to win Iraq and to get rid of Al-Qaeda in Iraq. What they did was that the Gulf Cooperation Council, all the other nations, Arab nations,

went in there and they essentially became al-Qaeda. They infiltrated al-Qaeda, and they wore the uniforms, clothing of al-Qaeda, and then they just proceeded as a one-man division to just clean out, hollowed out al-Qaeda and just cleaned it out. Like one of those situations where you got a bug parasite and eats out

inside. That's what's going to happen. It seems like that's what did happen. Because al-Qaeda, they just went away. He just went away. They're not going to make a big deal. Don't expect people to make a big deal about any of this. The fact that this is low-key is part of all this. So when you talk about American boots on the ground,

This is what I thought. Oh, yeah, what about Wickers? There's going to be boots on the ground. They're going to be Saudi Gulf Cooperation Council booth on the ground. And they're going to be stealth, strategic, special forces. And if I say, well, they're going to be there in Iraq, is there any chance they're not already in Iran, excuse me, Iran? Is there any chance they're not already in Iran?

Iran's a different beast than Iraq. It's its own thing. It's a much bigger country. It's Persian and not Arab. So there's that. But, you know, if you keep that in mind, that means that the chance of American boots on the ground very low. And what was America's role in all this?

Air power. American air power, Israeli advanced weaponry, Saudi and Gulf War Operation Council, Strategic Special Forces. was going to be the model for how the golden age in the Middle East was going to come about. And we're predicted, you know, Europe's going down the tubes. Europe is going to be, you know, we're used to the Middle East being the place where all the chaos is. Europe is going down the tooth.

Europe is going to have, Europe is where we're going to be the world going to have all forward of the history going forward. The Middle East is going to emerge as the peaceful place in the world in this golden age. I didn't even think about all this model that he was talking about until recently until this war. And then I think it was people talking about boots on the ground and all this. I said, wait a minute. And when Iran hit all the other Gulf nations, why would they do that? Because those are the nations or the GCC that are Iran's adversary.

I don't know if Victor's model is going to hold up in all this, but it does let me sleep at night. and maybe if I tell you about it, maybe it's something that you can have perspective. Is it true? I don't know. Like, I went back to Wicter's, I was on Twitter and somebody was saying, oh, you're an Arab super soldier or something like that.

It was like, maybe, I don't know. People ridicule him because he just went silent. So I owe a lot of my sanity to Wicter, because I don't doubt Trump anymore. I just remember Wicter yelling at me and everybody. who's like, oh, what's Trump going to do now? They really got him. Oh, no.

They don't. Trump's ahead of them. He's always one step ahead of them. And he will remain one step ahead of him in this, in this especially. So that's where I am all this. Trump is one step ahead of everybody. We've got the Saudi Gulf Cooperation Council, U.S. three-part alliance bring a golden age to the Middle East

and finally get beyond these decades and decades. and decades of misery. But it's going to involve taking out Iran. Look what's happening. So there's that. And then there's also, you know, what else did I say? And we don't know about devolution. That's a whole different thing.

You know, John, he made that his thing and really extended that idea. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to. Let's me sleep at night. Let me stay in a frame of mind where I'm able to trust Trump. Oh, and then also putting a sign any beats of Israel.

Now, Wicter would say you're being anti-Semitic and all this stuff. I don't know. Let's just keep that issue open. I will keep that issue open, but at the moment, at the moment, in the midst of this war, I'm totally with Donald Trump, And it means Israel is my ally and because Trump says all. That's where I am in all this. We're 822.

Need to talk about Guard. The enemy of my enemies is my friends. EVM says. No doubt the Israeli government has been involved in Chinese business and corruption, but it sounded like these things. Okay, I did read that already. But that's one worth repeating. Definitely.

I'll have to read them later. I bet if I'm trying to channel a little bit of my J.B. I'm trying to be frank and direct about my opinions. And I tell you in the end, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like working a lot of limited information. Maybe you have more than I do. Maybe you do.

Maybe you have more wisdom than I do. But this is where I am right now. And so our little stats here on badlands, I think they're good. We're going to have friction going forward. But I know as a physicist, you know, you can't walk without friction. You know, you try to walk in slippery, melting ice. That's what it's like to have not have friction. You need friction.

So you can walk in the stairs. You need friction. Or else you can slide off of everything. So I think our friction's good. And I think Badlands is a unique place where we can express those kind of things. Because who cares about the, you know, listen to what AOC is saying or what Kamala was saying today. And it's like, what clowns. What utter clown.

We know, we know what they're, because we know that they're, they don't see, they look at Iran and they don't see evil. They don't see things that. They look at us and they see evil. we're the worst thing in the world to them. Donald Trump, us are their enemy. We are their enemy. I don't see them as our enemy.

We got bigger enemies to them. They're pathetic. They're pathetic. To them, we're the biggest enemy. So everything is like a, like a, all roads lead to Trump is a bad guy and every single thing he does is wrong. Every single decision he makes is wrong.

Every single opinion that he has or the people who's courted has is wrong. That is the most useless position in the world right now. I have no interest in listening to the Democrats right now, because I know exactly what they're going to say. Exactly what I said. It's totally useless and brain dead opinion. At least the neocons, or we know where they're coming from through,

which is war love. They love the war, but even they can't praise Trump about it, right? you know, John Bolton, you know, he really wants to love the fact that we're bombing Iran, but he can't because Trump's doing it. So, you know, who's worse? The neocons are for the worst. At least the Democrats, they're laughing their gums most of the time. And by Democrats, I mean the politician. The ordinary Democrats out, you know, we need to keep that in mind. We're talking about the politicians. Ordinary liberals and Democrats, God bless you. I hope it seems over to our side at some point.

We hate a lot of the things we hate to, but going back to the Republican neocon party, which is what they want, right? You want to speak back to Jeff Bush running the party and all this. No. Those guys really do have more lust. And we want peace. We want this to be over fast and we want this.

So I got five minutes left. We're going to raid over the only layer. Yasman 17. Matt, you got that beard rush. No, I did trim my beard a little bit this week, just with scissors. I do need to get a beard. If I let this go, it'll be as big as it was last week at the time we get to the car. I had to trim it back so I can eat with a decently.

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All right. So thank you all so much for coming by hopefully by next week the world will all still be together and it'd be great if the war is over by next week we don't probably not but we want this to be over so quickly we want there to be peace and we hope there's no more civilian deaths and that's really that's really what happens there we need to acknowledge that if that's what really happened if that's what so all right i'm going to send you out with the, oh, yeah, I was going to turn on, I was going to turn on the YouTube this week and broadcast on YouTube.

And I didn't. I forgot to turn on YouTube. But I have to be careful now because of copyright. I think, you know, I just talked in things. So except for the beginning, there were some copyrighted things about Iran. Because of history about history, about Iran. So I'm going to look at what the cool is here. Team smooth. Enjoyed show since I arrive. We'll watch

missed first hour tomorrow. Oh, all right. Miller Biz, trust Trump. Ratsy Jones. Thank you, Matthew. Do you have second rant? Let me see. Let me see. What? Korea provides critical intel, advanced defense technology. Okay, I read that. Do you have another one? See, this is what happens to me. I've got to figure out a way does not have this happen because it goes off of my screen and then I can't see it. I was, you know, I was so into the flow. I sort of lost, I didn't get my eye on the, on the scene. You can see the rants pretty easy when they go by. Okay, much apology. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. One of the, one of our great.

829. I guess I would just send you a way to there without, not going to play the, well, I'm just going to play the outro. And during it, I'm going to send you guys over this. Thank you all for coming by. Stay safe, everybody. Deal with the friction. I'm going okay. I will see you. Thank you so much for joining us.

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