Badlands Media - Spellbreakers Ep. 169: Why America Abandoned Space

Episode Date: June 6, 2026

The New Glenn rocket just blew up on the launch pad, and host Matt Trump, a physicist who grew up watching every Apollo mission, has been waiting his whole life to give this talk. In this episode, Matt walks through the full arc of American spaceflight from Project Mercury through Apollo 17, Skylab, and the slow cancellation of missions that left astronauts reading the want ads. He traces America's psychological retreat from space through pop culture, from Star Wars arriving in 1977 as nostalgia rather than aspiration, to his surprising reread of Terms of Endearment as the greatest astronaut movie Hollywood never meant to make. He also covers the Challenger and Columbia disasters, the space shuttle era's trade of heroism for routine, and what the Artemis II moon flyby and private space companies mean for where we go next.

The Badlands, one of the Badlands, explain those Badlands. That's a hell of their name. Good evening, everybody. Good evening. Welcome to Spell Breakers. I'm your host, Matthew Trump, and this is Badlandsmedia.tv. And we're here on another Friday night. And, oh, you know what I need to do?

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Well, good evening, everybody. So tonight, as of yesterday, I was thinking, what am I going to for a show this week. I was on, I had the pleasure of being on for the second time on General Quest show, Space Revolution on Wednesday. And it was the next part of a series that I guess we're doing together about history and how the our current era is, which we can call the space revolution if you want to call it that. I think that's a good name. It has, it's not unprecedented in history as far as a time of great change. And so it's, it's, it's, it's not unprecedented in history as far as a time of great change. And so it's, it's,

sort of, I took us back to the late Middle Ages and we're moving forward. We got all the way up to the scientific revolution in the last show. But I posted the link of it in the normal chat to this show. So I made a whole slides for that. I had a whole bunch of slides I made for that and spent all day, Tuesday and Wednesday doing that because I wanted to, I don't know, there's something about his show that you want to, you want to, you know, you want to pull your standards up. I love being around people of high standards.

I do my best work when I can sort of be challenged by other people doing their best. I had the privilege of having that a couple times in my life. This at Badlands sort of feels that way. But I think mostly of my time at University of Texas when I got to spend just years embedded among some of the finest minds in the world. And I felt like if I'm not going to do my best here, when? bother if I'm not going to do my best right here with all these people. What's the point?

Right. And that was very rewarding thing. So we hold ourselves to high standards. And when we talk about space and going to space, of course, we have very high standards, right? We have to. K. Rose 5326, thank you most so much for doing this, Matt. You were great with General Quest.

Thank you. Thank you. We're going to do another one, too. I think we're pretty much going to keep going from there. So it's going to be fun. And as tonight is sort of fun. You know, space is sort of fun. So thank you for $5.

Thank you. So let's talk about it. Let's, is there any reason I should now share the slides and get us started? I think that's what we should do, Matt. That's what we should do. Window. Oh, you know, one. First, we got to, we sort of forgot our procedure.

We need to start the slideshow. I have to start the keynote slideshow before. I share it because otherwise I can't then tab through it correctly. It doesn't work. It's a quirk. It's a quirk. Okay. But it's been a while since I did a delayed start to the show. And so it feels sort of like old times having the movie clips at the beginning back.

I like that. I like that. Now we can share the screen. Here we go. Here we go. Here's our slides. Okay. Oh, good. All right, checking it all out.

So spellbreakers 169, June 5th, 2026. Here we are, When America Abandoned Space, which is a little bit different title than I gave to Jessica to put in the listing for, I was why America abandoned space. And after a while, I thought it was more natural. It's like, why is a deep question. Like, what did it mean we abandoned space? Because we sort of did for a while.

What is it when America, at least we can talk about that. We can sort of lay out a timeline. And for a lot of you who are over my age or even a younger, you'll remember a lot of some of this history passing. But I think we're going to talk about it because, you know, we had this incident just a couple of weeks ago involving Blue Origin and the launch vehicle blowing up on the launch pad. Well, it's not like we haven't been here before.

And also we're an interesting time in American history too with this extremely divided nation. feeling like there's going to be maybe massive changes at any moment. Yeah, let's, and we've got the space program going. We just went to the moon. We just sent people to the moon again. Didn't land on it, but just went around it. And I think that that's amazing. That happened while we were at Gart, you know.

And something big always happens when Gart, you know, I don't know. It can't explain it. When America abandoned space, you can see that there is, I made this graphic, you can see. This is generated by Google, well, Google Gemini, although I sort of want to call it Google Gemini in honor of tonight's show. So, but Google Gemini made this for me, and I asked it to make an astronaut in his flight suit without a helmet,

you know, typical close-cropped look. and from late 60s, early 70s, and have him be in his flight suit without his helmet sitting on the stoop of New York City, Brownstone reading the want ads. And this is actually, this is actually, idea is not original to me. This was, oh, I'll tell you about where I found this,

but I made this for a specific reason. I asked Google to make that for me. And I think it did a pretty good job. So you saw at the beginning, you saw at the beginning a couple clips. The first was a trailer from the movie The Right Stuff, which came out in October of 1983. I was a freshman in college then.

That was my first semester. It was a well-hyped movie about history of the space program. It didn't do quite as well at the box office, but I think it's earned its staying power as a movie over the years. It really has some iconographic lines and scenes. It's not perfect. It's just, you know, it's about a pop history book that's just been written a couple years ago. And I thought they did a decent enough job.

I thought the casting was phenomenal. The casting still holds up. It has a, you know, it has Scott Glenn not as John Glenn. It has Sam Shepard not as Alan Shepard. So it's, you know, it's got some interesting, you know, Ed Harris was John Glenn in it. But I thought the casting was really good. But it's about the Mercury program, which we'll talk about in a minute. It wasn't about the moon program earlier than that.

And then there was also a clip from a movie that came out in October 2014, which was Interstellar, starring Matthew McConaughey. And this is a scene. I don't know if you've seen the movie. But basically, he's, he wasn't, he was, well, he, he's a farmer. And he was an engineer, space engineer. And he, but they're living in a different time. And you can see he goes to school and he gets told to correct his thoughts.

And basically that the woman there is, you know, of course we didn't go to the moon. Of course, it's in the textbooks now. You're using an outdated textbook. You need to get the new textbook. You need to be realistic. You need to keep your. And so there's that, you know, this is a very interesting, So they're not denying the whole space program, but they're just denying the moon landings happen.

And this is like sort of a dystopic future in which America has lost its space program. So yeah. So some of you have some comments. But what we just had, so we just had new Glenn named after John Glenn, rocket explosion. So new Glenn is a launch vehicle. manufactured by Blue Origin, of course. We'll get to them in a minute. So this just happened on the 28th of May where we had,

the new Glenn rocket was sitting on the launch pad. It was not going to be a launch. This was a what's called a static fire test. So what's a static fire test? A static fire test is a wet dress rehearsal with, okay, so what's a wet dress rehearsal? A wet dress rehearsal is when the liquid propellant components, such as liquid oxygen, liquid hydrogen, et cetera, are loaded into the rocket during the test. So they actually put the liquid fuel in there.

That's a big deal. That's when you have to be super, you know, 100 times more careful than you were before because this is because of this. Okay. That's a wet dress rehearsal. They just put the fuel in and then they take it out. That's it. But even doing that, you know, static electricity, et cetera, big danger. So a static fire test is a wet dress rehearsal and it adds the step of firing the engines at full thrust.

Okay, so we could turn on the engines too. Going to load the fuel and turn on the engines. Not going to take off. We're going to restrain the vehicle on the launch pad, on the launch mount. And it can be performed with or without payload. This is a static fire test. And often the data gathered in it, we're going to use that as part of a,

we're going to put that into a go-no-go decision tree in software and in procedural algorithms, et cetera. We're going to learn from whatever happens. And I'm sure they learned a lot from this one because the thing blew up. Rather, I would say more, it's not the first time an American rocket has blown up on the launch pad.

That's been going on since the very first American rocket that they launched at Cape Cate. I don't know, Cape Canaveral. I can't remember. It was, it was, uh, Vanguard TV3. We launched it right after, right after Sputnik because we've got to get something in space. And this is in the movie, the right stuff covers this air, this part of history, right?

And, uh, but this one was really big because there's a lot of liquid fuel because this is a booster rocket. This is, this was supposed to be blue origins booster rocket that could get into orbit. See, Blue Origin, Blue Origin is, that's Jeff Bezos's company, right, that he founded in 2000. And they are one of the three space-faring companies that NASA is now relying on instead of doing their own launches. It's private enterprise to the rescue, just like we always thought with America. They told us this was going to happen. And, you know, private enterprise will step forward.

And by golly, it did, but it sort of, we sort of had to, you know, drag this kicking and screaming into the 21st. It's like, this is one of the things that's going to happen in the 21st century. We're going to have private companies. We know this. You know, we saw the Star Trek movie, you know, the guy, Vince Warp Drive, you know, and then the Vulcan show up. That's what's supposed to happen, right? So, you know, so it did. It did.

Amazingly enough, it did. I'm still sort of surprised that it did. But, and of course, Elon Musk, big factor that it did happen. But Jeff Bezos is in there too. But the thing about Bezos's space program is they haven't gotten to orbit yet. They've only done spam in a can, like with up and down, like a ballistic shot, like the first Mercury, the first American man spaceflight was just going up and down in a big arc. And so that's what the space tourism thing is. They don't go to orbit in that they just go up and down like a can they go up to the edge of space and they

come back down and uh and that's been you know we've been able to do that not with people since the 1440s um we being humanity you know throwing in the germans there too the who are human part of humanity um so yeah so this one though uh this one blew up And they're going to learn a lot from it. But it was designed to go into orbit. And they have not sent it up yet. It was supposed to eventually they were going to send it up. This was just a test.

It's just a test. And it didn't work. Now, one of the things about this when I was researching this, because I was like, OK, everybody knows this happened. We saw the footage. But what's something we can bring to it that we don't know about it? We can dig in to dig in a little bit about this, you know, and see where we can go with it.

So one of the things I noticed, was, you know, in the commentary was L, this, the LC-36. I saw this. So this is a Cape Canaveral. LC-36. I was like, what does that mean? Well, that's, that's the launch pad. That's the land. It's a, um, uh, hell is. I looked up what the C means and now it's escaping me. Anyway, um, launch complex. That's it. Launch complex 36. They're numbered. So the ones that Cape Cranavala are generally denoted with this LC. So, and then there's 36 is that which one it is. And they have a bunch of them.

And so let's check them out. So this is the theme. This is what I'm sort of learning. This is, this is, I, I thought now you get to be a real space officiado when you start to appreciate like, oh, which, you know, which are these launch sites did it use? Which launch complex did it use? Oh, 36. Oh, and 36 was heavily damaged by this, by this incident. And they're going to have to rebuild a lot of it.

And it's basically scuttling the Bezos's orbital space program for the moment. LC, so this is Cape Canaro, you know, sort of barrier island right off there. Okay. Florida, you know, right? And all the dots in both of things. So there's a launch complexes, and you can see they go all the way up to 40. The most, 36 is not the most famous one. So 36 is down there where the yellow arrow is.

The most, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the highest honor would be LC 39A and LC 39B, uh, up there at the top, at the very top of the map. Launchpad B and launch pad A, launch complex 39. That's where the, uh, that's where Saturn 5s and the Apollo program used that. And then the space shuttle has used that too. But the others have been used over the years for various testing, smaller rockets. The Saturn 1, there was a Saturn 1B before the Saturn 5, a Saturn 1B was still used because off, you didn't, oh, you know, the Saturn 5 was meant to go to the moon and multi-stage, you know.

It was meant to escape the Earth's gravitational well, get out to the moon. But if you don't need that, you don't need that big a rocket, it or if you don't need that much of a payload thrust, like we use it for Skylab. They used it too. Then you'd use a smaller one. They were just sending some people up in a capsule. And in the Gemini program, they used the Titan rockets, which are nuclear missile rockets. So they tested them all out here at Cape Canaveral.

And it's something, I know Sammy the squirrel has mentioned that he used to go out of the young man. And they would watch them take off. Space Force has a launch out there too. to launch Delta 45. The Space Force founded 2019. They had sort of have essentially a facility out there that they operate at the Space Force.

So Blue Origin is Bezos's space thing, Blue Origin. He founded it back in 2000. First flight was the new Shepherd named after Alan Shepherd. And it was a space tourism vehicle.

And it went up and came down. and then Bezos had been on it too. And then the New Glenn design was announced shortly after that for the Orbital One. And then they were going to do a moonlander. They designed a moonlander to be part of a moon landing program at some point in the future. And they launch sometimes from the ranch

that Bezos owns out in New Mexico and sometimes from Cape Canaveral. So the first uncrewed New Glenn flight was January 2020. So I don't think it achieved orbit, though. New Glenn 2 for NASA was done in November 13th, 2025. I guess it did achieve orbit, okay? Or did it?

I don't know. I have to look that up. April 29th, they did one for a commercial carrier. So I think they put a satellite up in space is what they do. They can do that. I guess we would have to be orbiting to do that. Okay. So, and then this last one in May, then, you know, they got to, it blew up.

Now, this is from 1957, if you can see on the screen. So we were very visual tonight, by the way. I apologize if you're, you only have sound. I'm doing a lot of visual commentary tonight. So hopefully, hopefully you're all with, still with me, and we're enjoying the show. So back in 1957, this is what the Vanguard TV3 explosion looked like. Now, if you saw Quass show, So I did, I did, I did some background on Project Mercury and Project Gemini.

I didn't, it wasn't even the point of the show I was going to do with him. I just started, I decided I needed to do, I needed to embrace my, my inner, this inner part of me that's always loved the space program when I was a kid. And I, you know, I went through the cycle like you see at the beginning where there's, it was heroic. and then it was and it's like oh you know honestly it's been the it's been the worst part about being here at badlands sometimes in the past is that is that at times it has felt a little bit like matthew mccanee felt in that principal's office getting told you need to start to think but it's coming from our side you know in the movie it's coming from the you can tell it's it's it's very lefty it's like well we abuse the planet and now we need to need to need to

to be kinder to the planet and not damage Mother Earth, you know. And we need the, it was always we need the money for other stuff. But it comes from our side too. And I know some people don't think we went to the moon. I know some people don't think space exists. I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to even comment on that except to say that, you know, I don't believe those things.

And so Project Mercury, not that I haven't been open-minded to it, by the way. that's a distinction. I'm open-minded to being convinced of things. It's just that I'm not convinced by the evidence. I've actually, no, I don't think it's convincing. No. So whereas having been alive at the time, if you weren't alive at the time during these years,

it can be, I think it can be easier to get past where we were at the time, I can tell you that nobody doubted that we could do this, I think. That's one thing. People doubt, how could we have done it? It takes too much effort and society is too organized, to put up that aluminum foil thing with legs and sent it to the moon.

No, no, no, that's impossible. Then nobody, we couldn't do it. Just like they say humanity couldn't build the Gothic cathedrals in the medieval. No, that had to be some other. It's like, no, we couldn't have done this. I can tell you I was alive at the time. Nobody doubted that we could do it. And part of what you have to remember,

if you weren't alive at the time, and I think people who were alive at the time will endorse me and back me up on this comment. For the most part, the space race, all the way up through the Apollo program, at least, all the way up through the program, Apollo program, was an extension of

World War II, the military and industrial effort of World War II and the technological. It was like the same world. You know, the astronaut, Neil Armstrong had been a fighter pilot in Korea, you know, that we, it was the same, it was, it was, we know how to make things with metal and we know how to make engines and we know how to make things fly because we're Americans and we learned how to do that and we learned how to do it really quickly during the war and, and we spared no expense to do things that we knew we needed to do.

And that includes putting people's lives at risk and that the people involved knew they could die. And that was part of the whole effort of that. But we can do it if we really. And Kennedy was like, yeah, remember, he's just like Kennedy was World War II veteran. So it was an extension of that culture. And then it wasn't at some point. But let's not worry about that too much. But Project Mercury.

So that was started in 1958. They flew from 61 to 63. And that's what the right stuff is about. It's about the early, it's about the Mercury program. So what was the Mercury program was just going to send one guy up in a metal capsule and shoot him up into space. And the first time they

did it with Alan Shepard, first American into space, he just went up and came down about 230 nautical miles down, downwind in the Bahamas. And that's it. Didn't It wasn't until the third one that we got the orbit with John Glenn. And orbit, so in the Soviets had done it right from their first flight they'd gotten into orbit.

So we were playing catch up during this time. We started off behind with Sputnik launch in 1957, and then we blew up the rocket. We tried to send something up, and it blew up. And so it took us a few months to catch up there. And then we were always playing behind. It wasn't until the Saturn rockets that we could say we had a lead in space. And so I told Quass that I thought that Saturn 5 was the greatest thing built by the hand of man. And he was unable to disagree with me.

I said the other thing might be the 747. Saturn 5 is. I know we have bigger rockets now than the Saturn 5. But as far as for what it was for and that it worked, then, you know, it's amazing achievement. But we didn't, we never thought we couldn't do it. Okay. Did they do it? And I'm not saying there wasn't theater involved in the space program, too.

I'm not saying that. But that it was all theater? No, no. So, you know, theater involved still involved. I don't know. I don't know. there's a lot of weird things going on right so then there was project gemini project gemini was uh 19 so so and and we're going to find it by the way so i'll just skip to the

punchline here project mercury seven missions they all ended with seven because they didn't they were didn't know how to name things yet so it was like friendship seven and freedom seven and faith seven last one was faith seven of cordon cooper who's the guy driving in the sports car in the right stuff he's like who's the greatest pilot of them all and he winds up going last but that means he made the most orbits so he he winds up holding the record for being you know so that's that's sort of the little punchline at the end of that movie if you remember and i i haven't seen the movie since it came out but i could there's so much i remember from it okay so um but they got through that but already while they're having project mercury going on so

project mercury started by as an hour and there's like we got got to get a man in space. And they used Mercury Redstone Rockets, which Redstone were Army Rockets, Redstone Army developed rockets developed at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. And it was all about the dude. It was the heroic pilot era coming out of the test pilot, just like that's the right stuff as it has that theme. But it was all about putting a guy in there, sealing him up in a tin can,

buckling him in, first buckling him in, then sealing him up. up and then putting on top of a redstone rocket and shooting it off into space and hopefully you can do it fast enough sideways and high enough and fast enough sideways because you need both to get him going so that he'll go around the earth instead of falling back to earth and and so that's that's how it worked and they did it and they got brought back everybody alive um first of all they did a champ first by the way people They did a chimp. The chimp was ham. That was the first Mercury Redstone launch was a chimp. Because the first Mercury Redstone rocket got four inches off the ground and then settled back in. But the emergency stuff worked. There's like, oh, there's sort of bad news, good news.

And then the next, well, let's do it with the chimp. Well, they did another one and it sort of worked. It did its thing then. You could shoot it off and it went down into the ocean. And then they did the chimp. and ham was his name and he's from the he was from the french cameroons originally i didn't mention this to quest because quest grew up in the cameron right i bet he knows that ham was from the camp french cameroon all right um anyway that was the heroic era then we got project gemini

now project jimini happened like i was i was just you know very young but something about it really imprinted the world of those years to me, 1964, 65, 66. Project Gemini was totally different. Project Gemini, first of all, Apollo program came before Jiminy. So this is something I'll get to. This is what I'm going to say is the punchline, is that the Apollo project actually started before the first launch of Mercury. Already, they're looking and say, well, we're going to go beyond the guy in a tin can phase. And we want to do stuff in space other than just go up and then whizz around the earth and come back down. We want to do things, you know, like dock spacecrafts one to the other, you know, and get out and do spacewalks. And then, you know, so even before that, that's what Project Apollo started out is, his eyes and hours like, okay, we're going to do this.

What are we going to do next? And they kicked it off. They got it underway. And it was going to be headquartered out of Huntsville. But then Kennedy gets in office. We'll just skip ahead here. Kennedy gets in office. And so here's the original newspaper from Huntsville talking about 1960.

Eisenhower's president. It's a national reveals role of Apollo. So they built the Saturn program was going. And the Apollo is going to be, well, expanded. But it wasn't about the moon yet. It wasn't about the moon. You know, the Alabama newspapers are where you go to find. news about this.

The Saturn rocket was being built by then, and it started off as the Saturn 1, and then there's the Saturn 1B was the one that they really used a lot for just sending people up into space. And then the Saturn 5 is what they're going to go to

go all the way of the moon. But the thing about the Apollo program is it was announced July 1960 by Eisenhower's by when I, and our cabinet member. And then they did feasibility studies. Kennedy gets elected president.

Then finally, that's when the Soviet sent a Gagarin. Grigarin, some people say, no, it's Gagarin. It's like Lady Gaga, but with a Rinn on the end. You know, Gagarin, Gagarin, first man in space, April, 1961. So right after the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy addressed to Congress then, May saying we're going to go to the moon. So they're going to repurpose the Apollo program to now be a lunar mission. And so the first test of the Saturn 1 was in 61. Saturn 1 achieved orbit

in 64. First test of the Apollo boiler plate is in 64. So that's when they get all the components together, the command module, et cetera, and the lunar lander part. They all had it all together. And they tested that altogether. Okay. And then the final test of that was in 65. And this is Apollo program, but you notice the number one. It's not, they're not calling it Apollo 1, 2 or 3 yet. They start off with SAs or Saturn Apollo 1, Saturn Apollo.

So just, you used to call them mostly by the rocket. And then maybe with a nickname. And the nickname is going to be the thing that takes over. Everybody loves the nickname. But they, so eventually it's Apollo Saturn, 101. 101 in 64, 65, and 66, Apollo Saturn. And so they would launch these Saturn ones, uncrewed. And then they use the Saturn 1B, which is a beefier one in 66, and they tested it a couple times, AS201, 203.

And then AS204, they're actually going to, now we're going to crew it. And they use a Saturn 1B, the stubby version of the Saturn. that it was and they had they're going to send dudes up in space and actually have a launch and it was going to be chafey white and grissom grissom had been in the mercury program and there was a fire in the capsule during a test it wasn't a it didn't blow up in the launch pad there was a fire just in the command module where they were there's a fire and it trapped them inside they were bolted inside and it trapped them inside and there's a photo of them praying they actually were concerned about safety the astronauts and they wound up dying

and it burned up inside, used up all the oxygen, and they were dead. By the time, it took them five minutes to get them out. And after that, they stopped the man's face program for a while. So that, but it wasn't called Apollo 1 yet. It was right after that, they realized, you know what, we need to, we need to name them the way people like to call them, which is by this, you know, program name and then a number. So they retconned AS204 as Apollo 1. And that's what we call it now, but it wasn't called that at the time.

Then there were uncrewed. First Saturn 5 flight takes off uncrewed. And from LC39A, good old. Now we're move up to 39A. We've been at LC 34 before. Now we're at 39A moving up north along Cape Canaveral there. And two more uncrewed ones, Saturn 1B test, Apollo 5, Apollo 6, Saturn 5, second test. And then finally, Apollo 7, October 11th, 1968, Apollo 11 is the first crude Saturn 5 launch.

So now we're cooking with gas now. And then Apollo 8, that's to go to the moon. They go to the moon. They don't land, but they go around the moon. And so it was essentially what Artemis 2 just did. It was Apollo 8, right? And it took the photo of the moon from the photo of the earth from the moon and became the famous, time and they read while the Wally Shara read the read the the from the Bible you know over Christmas Genesis and

so Apollo 9 then Saturn 5 launch first test the full Apollo spacecraft so it was a crude Saturn Saturn 5 launch but they only went it's a low Earth orbit they didn't go back to the moon right away but Apollo 10 they went back to the moon for another fly around the moon, full Apollo dress rehearsal, and Apollo 11 is when they, using 39A. We all know that that was then the first moose land, moon landing. So you can see that it didn't take, it took two and a half years from, you know, fire on the launch pad to getting back up there because there was no stop in this. There was no stop in this.

Nobody had the idea that was going to stop. So Apollo 11 then happens, August 69, already here they have the idea that they're going to do this build labs in space. So they have a contract for Skylab is announced in 69 right after the Apollo 11. Apollo 12, they do another one. They land another one from 39A. They go back to the moon, land again. But then right after the new year in 1970, just after two of them, like, oh, okay, we're great.

It's like, oh, okay, you know, the world stops for the first one. And then the second one was like, okay, it's, you know, we're doing this again. Okay, cool. And then there's it's like we're spending too much money on this. And so right after this is Apollo, they were supposed to go to Apollo 20. So Apollo 20 is canceled. And they're going to eventually going to use that Saturn 5 to launch this

Skylab lab lab into orbit. So the Skylab, you had the lab and he had sent the dudes up to be in it. But and then Apollo 13 happens. So we have Apollo now. they chopping off the last mission. It was going to be scheduled for 1974 or 75. But so there's already reeling it in. And then Apollo 13 happens.

And if you've seen the movie, you can see that it suffered a malfunction. They were able to orbit the moon, but they were not able to land. They had to scrub the mission and come back. And the astronauts were in danger. And they were saved through some innovative project management back in mission control. And then September 20th of that year, 1970. I just started kindergarten right that week. I was in kindergarten.

And man, I was just so into the, the, so NASA cancels Apollo 18 and 19. So the last two now are chopped off. Skylab is postponed to 1973. So now they're just getting rid of the missions. And so that thing I made here, this graphic of the astronaut. So this is based on a photo that I saw,

in you remember the weekly readers you remember those if you were live the weekly you know you get those kid news magazines something like that okay and um there was there was a photo in it of this it couldn't have been much after this it probably might have been 1970 71 had couldn't have been much later than that and it had the astronaut it had it showed this it had to do exactly like this in a flight NASA flight suit without a helmet and he's reading the one ads and the idea was well you know astronaut unemployment is nothing now you know because we're we're winding down the space race and I know I'm a kid and I'm like wait no not yet you know and so uh it was it I remember the psychological impact of that like oh we're we're done with that no what's

it's gonna we're actually not going to use the astronauts now that doesn't seem right But that was what started to happen in 1970. And then, you know, we still have two more, we still have four more Apollo missions. So many that people started to get, it was like, oh, another one. Seriously, that's like, oh, we're going to the moon again. Oh, okay. You know, that's how blazze we got about it. So it's no wonder they're chopping them off.

71, there were two, extended stay, first use of the lunar roving vehicle. So in 71, right after Apollo 15, Nixon proposes canceling 16 and 17. Like, okay, let's just be done now. And it's like, no, we got money for a few more. So we did 16, extended stay, explored Lunar Highlands. And 17, the last one, full moon buggy experience and staying extended stay. So that was over December 1972. That's the only one I remember actually watching,

have an actual memory of, is Apollo 17. And as I've mentioned, I've sort of been driven crazy. Somebody in the chat finally confirmed that they did use the last train to Clarksville by the monkeys in promoing Apollo 17, you know, which is sort of wild when you think about it. But the bumpers, like the NASA made or CBS made for the coverage, used that, so on. All right.

then Skylab is what's left. So they've got these Saturn V's left over. They made them and it's like, well, we can use them. Let's use them. And they sent, so they actually used the, the, the, the fuselage of part of one of them to then make Skylab itself. Okay. And that's the way, Von Braun thought this way, in terms of interchangeable components

as much as possible. So, and yes, we do know about Operation Paperclip and then the Germans came over. Everybody knows that now. There's no luridness. It's like, yeah, what's your point? You know, people still sort of try to bring that up like, oh, did you know all these German scientists or the heart of our space program? That's in the right stuff, by the way, made in 1983.

Everybody's known this. There's no secret. But people bring it up like, it was Nazis. It's like, you know, what's your point? Get over it. Okay. So we got three Saturn 1B launches up to Skylab. And then finally, the last thing is Apollo Soyuz, which I remember Apollo Soyuz.

And it's like, it felt like, it really did feel like the end. Like, oh, we're scraping the bottom of the, we're going to go up and we're just going to use one to go up and talk with the Russians. And it felt like, you know, what's even the whole point of this? Really? was what are we doing this? It actually is a really good thing to do as it turns out. It was good to blow one of the Saturn Fives

on that. So the Russians launch and we launch and then we hook up together in space and a dock, space dock and they shake hands, I think, through the airlock, right? Yeah, that was a good thing to do. I remember I was out working in the cornfields with my grandfather. He was

not like as a farmer, but we were driving around. driving around. He had a job inspecting the cornfields. And I helped him do that. And we'd walk through the corn. We'd walk big cornfields, like, you know, and 500 acres or so just walking up and down the,

up and down the rows, looking for specific things. And it was to verify the effectiveness of various herbicides, I think, maybe. Anyway. But I remember driving around with my grand, big Plymouth, and it was the coverage was of the, of this, This was going on Apollo sewing used, but it felt like the end.

It really felt like this is how it ends because there was no more there was there was no there's nothing on the drawboard after that. There was nothing on the draw on the draw on the draw board. Yeah, drawing board. It's like this is this is the end. Okay. Well, but everybody knew the space shuttles because already they had the space shuttle. We're going to build a space shuttle and then this is going to be a new phase will be the space shuttle. Everybody's doing that and they they were doing by 77. So they had the space shuttle program from the late 60s on the board. It's the next thing. And the idea was to make space sort of prosaic and normal. Space truck, you know, a workhorse. And space is going to be normal. We're not going to do these grandiose things that go to the moon.

That's, we don't need to do that. We won the moon thing. Next thing is Mars. And we know that that's going to be, or a Venus flyby. Both of they thought of both those of Venus flyby. and manned, you know, or Mars, but we're going to, it's going to be a while before we get around to that. So let's, let's just, you know, we'll perfect the low Earth orbit thing. Just, you know, really just outside the atmosphere.

And it's, it's not a bad plan. It's not a bad plan, but it wasn't the expense of some heroism. It wasn't the expense of some heroism. And, but we say that's okay, right? That's what we had to do. But it did feel like we were walking away from space a little bit. So they start doing, you know, they start doing the piggyback things with the enterprise on the, on the 74's flying them around in 77.

So, yeah, we're, we're, we got something cooking. Star Wars, the movie Star Wars comes out in May, 1977. I wanted to mention this for a couple reasons. One is that, well, I think the main one is, one is that, one is that, one is that, I, I was talking about the movie Midway last week, about the Battle of Midway. I think Star Wars, there's a scene in it that's really taken right off of, Lucas took it right from the movie Midway,

but the depiction of the attack on the Japanese character. I'll show you the minute. You'll believe me. It really is, that scene is really taken from, from depiction in the imagination of that scene in Midway, when the pilots are talking to each other, almost like the red leader, gold leader thing. it's like and then the Japanese

look like the like the imperial thing on the Death Star. It's like this is Star Wars the year before it so but Lucas it was a good thing for Lucas to do that. He ripped off the aesthetic and I think it worked and there was but the

main thing though about Star Wars that I want to point out is that it's the most famous movie about space it came along right as the American space program is tapering off and we're turning our attention to other things in our culture. So it's very interesting that it came out then as a fantasy.

But the one thing about Star Wars, keep in mind that it's not about the future, right? It's not about the future. Remember the opening line in a long time ago. So already it's nostalgic about space in a way, isn't it? Isn't it interesting? I think it's the turning point. And then also close encounters came out that year, which was a space. space movie, spacey movie, right? But the humans, they get taken away to space only because the aliens show up, right? And it really, it's the humans are sort of passive. It's like we're waiting for, we're waiting for space to come to us now. So in a way, so we got nostalgic to the past and waiting for space to come to us.

1977 is the pivot. Carter's in office. We're pulling a certain year. Now World War II is over. Now that whole World War II, we can. build anything and do it kind of thing, that's finally over it by 1977, I think. In December, 1977, you had Capricorn 1, which was about faking a March, the deep state basically faking a Mars mission. So if you want fake missions, that's a pretty tense movie. O.J. Simpson was in it in one of his probably more famous role. Okay. So I want to check in the chat.

World War 11. Sammy the Squirrel says, yeah. World War 11. Okay. But I think finally, this is what, you know, this is the end of the 70s. In July of 79th, Skylab, they were going to keep Skylab up there. They went through all the expensive building it. They put it up there. They sent three crude missions up to stay in it for a couple months.

But they had to let it fall back to Earth and reinter the atmosphere. And it's like, oh, that's too bad. Well, it was, they knew it was going to run out of war. water and air, you know, all the water and air that they took with them in the first launch, you see, and it was eventually going to run out and things were getting a little, you know, they'd really push the people living there in space for weeks and weeks and weeks on end. They'd really push that to the, to an extreme. And the place was starting to sort of be a bit worse for wear. So reluctantly, they had to let it fall back to Earth. But it was

such, it really was a perfect thing for that era for 1979, I think, how America felt about itself. Like, oh, we can't do those things anymore. This is where this, wow, this is sort of America's retreat from space.

The peak of that is this. And then we have, of course, then the hostage crisis later that year in America's confidence is just shot to smithereens. And we've been living with the Iran thing ever since, right? September that fall, right before the Iran House is that's when the book that will write stuff by Tom,

Tom Wolfe comes out that they're going to make into it. I just want to say that I think it's a shame they painted over the bicentennial logo. This is the vehicle assembly facility at vehicle assembly building at, at Cape Canaveral. And for the bicentennial, they painted the bicentennial star on it. And they kept it till 1998 and then they painted it over and put the, with the NASA meatball logo. Fine.

They could use that. They could put that, but they should have kept the by, because how cool would it be right now to have the 250th celebration right there? Trump right there below that with the bicentennial star there. And because, you know, in the bicentennial, here's the Kennedy Space Center bicentennial, the summer of 1976 with the logo on there. Look what it says. Third century America. You know, yeah, we're still alive and kicking in 1976.

Third century America. I was trying to get people of the Badlands, Gart Chat. So we should do America to 300. Let's do the, let's do the, because we're like, oh, we can't get an official 250 celebration endorsement because there's this procedure or whatever, and we don't know how to do that. But I just said, well, let's just be the first 300.

It's on to 300. And so anyway, I think it's a shame they painted over that, because that would be a great place to have the, 250th right there. But still could be, but you know, be cooler with the bicentennial logo. We did have on the bicentennial, though, we did have, oh, there's

past over pasted here. We were supposed to have a Mars, unmanned Mars landing. The Viking one was supposed to land right on the bicentennial. They missed it by 16 days, landed on the 20th. But by then, people were like, okay, that's cool. But, you know, our standards were high to impress us. So we're transitioning to, you know, we're going to be a space shuttle. It's going to be in low Earth orbit. It's not going to be so grandiose. We are going to send

unmanned. We're going to use unmanned things. And it really was started a golden age for that for a while. So let's not discount that importance of that. Space Lab Kia came down, broke up over Australia. They put bounties on pieces of it in San Francisco and guys flew it over there and claimed their bounty. But it was really a downer. That's, you know, like I said, in some ways, it showed the disintegration of what had been, you know, Midway, I just explained my whole theory about the movie, that the scene in, so that, you know,

Star Wars, the whole aesthetic of the Japanese becomes that of the empire and, you know, watch the movie sometimes. It's not a great, it's not a great, great movie, but it's a, I mentioned before I liked it. And then they used it for, through this you know i think that it holds up this that's my theory i don't know if anybody else has that theory so you're hearing it too now so then we had a gap we didn't have the space program at all

for a while right we had to have the space shuttle come along finally in 81 i ditched class i was a that was a that was a sophomore in high school and i ditched class to see it to watch it i ditched mrs turk's english class she was cool she was hard-ass but she's talking about she's me grammar very well. But I ditched her class for that. I felt bad, but I think I might have even told her. I was like, you know, and it was like, you know, I had to watch it.

I had to, because it was a big deal. It was a, the first space shuttle launch was a big deal. But it too became pretty routine pretty quickly. And that was the idea, though. The idea was make space routine. But it lost a lot of its glamour and it lost a lot of its heroism. You know, what do people remember from the space shuttle program? Well, they remember that in 1983, finally we had a woman in space.

You know, that was a big deal, was that the U.S. didn't have any, you know, there's only white guys, right? And then we got Sally Ride, right, the seventh space shuttle launch, or STS7, I should say. I don't think the numbers don't coincide with the order specifically in the space shuttle program. but STS 7, which is great. Finally, the Russians had a woman in space back in the 60s, and they were like, look how more advanced the Soviet Union is. We, you know, literally they were throwing their social justice in our face. Yes, diversity equity, they were throwing their, yeah,

they had people of all races in their program right from the 60s. They had diversity, equity, inclusion. America didn't. America was white supremacist patriarchal. So we were reactionary. That was something people talked about in the 60s and 70s. It isn't just something that's recent. They talked about that then as a stain on the American space program.

Not everybody thought it was, but it was there as a thought. And then finally, in 1983, we get an American woman goes into space. And we're all very proud of that. It was a great achievement. And I have no knock against the late Sally Ride. But, you know, when your proudest achievement, is, you know, gender? Oh, we have gender equity in space now.

Isn't that so of, it's like, wow, we'll talk about, you know, a little foreshadowing of what's to come. You know, this is our proudest achievement is that we, we set somebody up with genitals that we, you know, it's like, okay, but it shows you where things are going in our culture, right? Not to take anything away from her, you know, it's perfectly fine, but that, you know, that it was the thing people remember as being groundbreaking is a little you know it's whatever um October 83 uh right stuff comes out that fall and now here I've come to this this is where we're going to how much time do we have yeah we got enough time to cover this I'm going to talk about what was is maybe the greatest astronaut movie in Hollywood history and I some of you're going to think I'm crazy

So terms of endearment came out in November of 1983. I know very well. I saw the very opening weekend that came out. I was a freshman in college and I'd gone up to see in suburb outside of Philadelphia with a guy in the dorm that was in the room next to me in the dorm. We were friends and he said, come spend a Thanksgiving with my family. And I did. It was great. It was a really nice area outside of Philadelphia.

And I've never been there. And it was, it took me to see both sides, took me to a flyers game. It was really cool. But we had a night off from all that. And my friend Pat said, let's go see a movie. Oh, this movie just came out. It's supposed to be good. Just came out.

Like, the terms, haven't heard anything about it. Terms of Endearment. So we went to see it someplace nearby, his house. And we watched it. And we both just hated it. We both just, we were, by the end of it, we're like, Okay, so spoiler alert. The crux of the movie is the mother-daughter relationship

between Shirley McLean's character and the daughter played by Deborah Winger, whom we meet as a young woman and then we follow up through her motherhood. But then at the end of the movie, spoiler, I'm sure you know what happens. Deborah Winger's character dies of cancer at the end. And the movie is a very melodramatic movie

with a very melodramatic theme song of piano music that they play at every trip to make you feel the right way you feel the melodrama of it. And it's about the contentious mother-daughter relationship. And it was very popular, especially among women, you know, it's like, oh, yes, my mother and I have that kind of relationship. Probably really recognizable in terms of they, they just were at odds with each other in a lot of ways. One of the things, and it really, you know, so here am I, I'm a 19-year-old guy, and I'm with my buddy. And we're just like, we're just sort of staring at the movie. we're watching it like oh come on this i can't believe we're sitting through this and at the end

we were just like sort of goofy giggling about the whole melodramatic ending and i hated the movie i hated that it won academy award for best picture i was like this is a travesty and uh so uh and i've sort of been stuck with that opinion ever since but in the meantime i i watch a lot more movies now watch tcm and tcm showed this two months ago and i i was like you know what I'm going to give it another shot. I'm going to give terms of endearment another shot. So I did give it another shot. And I liked it a lot better this time to the point where I agree that it probably should have won the Academy Award.

And I think it's a great movie. But one of the reasons is I think it's a, it's a, it really does capture a lot about the space program, I think, in a way. So right off the bat. So it's because it's because it's because it's because, it's because, it's because, it's because, it's because of this. The central drama between Shirley MacLean and Deborah Winger's character, so you didn't think we were going to talk about this stuff to make sure, this movie. But it does, it's very static, I think. So at the beginning, we see Shirley McLean be very neurotic over Deborah Winger's character when she's infant in the cradle. And because the dad died, the father died,

It's about the absence of male patriarchal authority and positioning in the hierarchy. And Shirley McLean's character is on her own and she's just neurotic. And she transfers that neurosis to her daughter in their relationship. And they have that kind of relationship throughout their entire life together. But it's very static. It doesn't really change up to the end. Finally at the end, it was like, okay. Thanks, Mom.

Thanks, kid. you know, finally at the end, but it's, it really shows the constancy of that relationship throughout their life in a lot of way. That's what the movie's about. The dynamic aspect of the, of the plot happens because of the Jack Nicholson character, who is in, he plays an astronaut, but he's a retired astronaut and he's degenerate. He just wants to pick up and screw women, you know, he's using his, uses his astronaut cred to bed women, sometimes several at once. And he's very, he lives next door to Shirley MacLean's character. And he's just, you know, he's irrepressibly debauched. Okay.

Right. And, but we love, every time he comes on screen, the movie picks up. Everybody, everybody, everybody. And, but it seemed like he's sort of just an ancillary character to the story. And eventually he and Shirley McClain go to bed together. And then they, but he changed, he's the most dynamic character in the entire moon. And so Deborah Winger, she's, she's, she's, marriage and then she has an affair and both of the men that she's with the Jeff

Bridges character and then the and then the and then the uh what's the John Lithgow character I hated that it was in Iowa you I should I grew up in Iowa and very much like in that movie and I just like I was like I can't stand this movie though I should love it um her men are weak they're weak men they're weak and uh both of them both the both the husband and the and the and the lover, the fair partner. They're weak. And Jack Nicholson, he's strong, but he's decry. He's debauched.

He's degenerate. And it's about his redemption coming out of being the degenerate and reestablishing his pride and his masculinity. And it all comes together in the very final scene of the movie after Deborah Ringer is dead. And they're all sitting around outside, in between their houses in Houston, which is now going to be like one house. with the driveway being a plaza between them. And that, that, and he's, he's assuming the role of the dad.

And finally the father has returned. The astronaut is back. The heroism we missed is back. And, but in a domestic setting. And this is even, it, it's, we're down to earth, though. Longer the astronaut, he's, he's the, he's the, but he has that father figure now. He's going to take care of the boys and the family. The daughter's going to be.

off with it. And you can see it in the eyes of the friend of Devere Winger's friend when she looks at the scene. She sees Jack Nicholson's character playing with the boys and there's a look in her eyes of just admiration for him. Like the hero is back. And I think it all comes to, it all comes together in that scene where they take his Corvette and he drive out and, and so they aren't love, he and Shirley McLean aren't lovers yet. But, you know, it's, it's, they're out racing and they drive into the surf in the Gulf of Mexico, now Gulf of America, and they spin the car out and they all fall out into the water. And that's the scene everybody knows, right? And that's, you know, Jack Nicholson Wednesday Academy Award, based on the scene. And, but I thought about that. But that's

a splashdown. Literally, it's splash down like an astronaut. They're splashing to the surf. But now it's, it's as a father and husband to the. this widowed woman. And so I said, wow, it's, it's, it's, it's said the Corvette, you know, is the space, but you know, it's like, oh, a movie makes sense to me now. So I think it does, it's because it's the reestablishment of the astronaut hero and the need for the reestablishment of the masculine in society that this movie is about. And it does so under the, under the guise of being a woman's movie, a melodrama, which it is.

and it succeeds on all those levels. I think it's a great movie. Fight me for it. I know some of you don't agree. I didn't like it. I first saw it. I had to see it again recently to like it. Space shuttle program, of course, it blew up in 86,

and then we stopped for a while, and then maybe are we going to wind down again? 88, we go back, you know. And by the way, there were two women on the one that blew up, right? and now we're going to be the one of them, the teacher, Krista McCalliffe, right? And after that, people were like, you know, should we be sending in our teachers into space? It's too dangerous, maybe. So when the first time back, it was all dudes again.

Because, you know, we can risk men's lives. But it's when, you know, making it safe, making space safe for women was part of the making it a normal thing under the space program, right? We need to make it safe that we, you know, just like combat aircraft, combat aircraft pilot, we have women doing that now. And we would not have women being combat pilots if it were as dangerous as it was in World War II. Or Korean War or Vietnam War. That would be too dangerous. We had to make it at least safe.

Not that I don't want to say it's safe being combat, but it's safe. but it's safer. It's safe enough that we don't mind women to because we would be, we would revert back to all-male military in a heartbeat if we had to suffer the kind of losses and destruction that we would do with with an old kind of war. I believe that. I believe. It'd be like, no, women are, women are too valuable as the bearers of life for to screw around with that. Right. We do that now. It shows how advanced. our culture is, right? Not safe, but safe enough. Okay, so, but then women came back. In fact, the second time it happens that we have women right on the next one. We're like,

no, no, we can persevere now with our women. They're tough enough to know that they're facing death. Okay. Because women, you know, died in the second one. So, so 98, then we have the International Space Station Agreement is signed. And now we're doing stuff with other nations, you know. It's like we're not, we're not going to be hot shot America now. Anyway, we're going to be cooperative America, you know, Clinton era. And then of course we have the one that breaks up over Texas,

like I mentioned, and there was two women in that. One of whom I was, well, this is a close family friend. Part of the same family that lost somebody on 9-11. But anyway, that's, this is my personal note.

I'm just, we're getting we're almost done here. Broke up over Texas, you know, And then we're right back with women, though, in the next one. So he's like, yeah. One of my cousins flew on one of them. Kevin Ford flew on SDS 128, so I'm very proud of that in our family, mom's side of the family.

And then final space, 2011 was the last one. And it wasn't canceled by Obama. It was Bush who said, no, we're going to stop in 2010. And it was because the craft were getting going to be too old. going to be too old. But we didn't really have anything queued up after that. And then, you know, it took Trump coming along, signing the space policy directive saying, you know what, we're going to go back to the moon. But we're going to, and we're going to clear the way for private enterprise. And then we had 2020, we had the Elon Musk, crew dragon, go up into space. And then 2024,

we had SpaceX going back again, crew nine. And then And yeah, so that's, yeah, 2024. And then we're still doing unmanned stuff, like 2020 right during COVID. We landed Perseverance, which is the virtue of the month, according to somebody who told me that. Perseverance is the virtue of the month for June. And we've got Crew Dragon. Oh, yeah, is 20th, 20th, 20th flight by SpaceX with a crew. And then Artemis 2, right?

Artemis 2. Go back to the moon, which was not SpaceX, and it was not the origin, and it was not Boeing, the other one. It was NASA itself. So NASA is now back in the game with the Orion spacecraft, right? So there's our rockets, you know, Saturn 5, great majestic king of the rockets up there. Not the biggest one.

now we've got those the new SLS one is bigger but I think in terms of nobility it's hard to beat that and then we you know we had this but we're going to come back we we have not had a rocket explode with people in it yet so this was uncrewed right it's going to it's going to knock uh uh yeah yeah uh blue origin Jeff Bezos's company back a bit no doubt and there's a bit ability to supply the Artemis three landing vehicle because they want to do a test of the landing vehicle for lunar landing. And that's business company is still building that. And so they're going to stay on track for that. All right. Here we are. We're at the end of the hour. I'm so glad you joined us. We're going to we're going to. I'm not going to be on only lance tonight, but we're going to we're going to jump over there in a minute with the raid. But we do need to cover our last. sponsor. Tonight's episode of spellbreakers has been brought to you in part.

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